How to progress in Yoga.

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Pranam.

 

I have a serious doubht about a common mans progress in yoga, coz the

basic fundamental of yoga is not (or) so hard to follow in this

materialistic world, but catch up ( or) do well with other aspects of

yoga like asanas, pranayama, meditation......

 

The basics YAMA is the most hinderence to progress in Yoga and to

enjoy the ultimate Bliss.

 

As a common man the social responsiblities/values are not adopted,

 

Like i pay bribe to get a thing done,

 

I try to do some short cuts to reduce my taxes,

 

Even though not a Lust but still enjoy the dance performed by the

Heroien on the screen,

 

Try to use the powers/influence/money to acheive certain things,

 

try to bargain with labours and get work done cheaply without

bothering their well being,

 

Like wise i use my car for travelling ( a single person using a car

for travell is a waste of fuel ) avoid using public transport / other

options, as i can offord to pay for the fuel.

 

Pollute the mother nature using toxic substances for several

puposes...

 

Yama being the first step in Yoga, and not having been progressed in

this first step a normal sadhak progresses well into Niyama,asana,

meditation........ will the person can enjoy the ultimate BLISS ?

 

I understand as we progress in Yoga we will try to adopt Yama in a

much better way, but donot you think Samadhi is tooooo far away

living in this very materialistic world? should i leave the normal

kaliyug life to progress in Yoga?

 

Pls enlighten.

 

Thanks

LUV.

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, " Senthil " <senthil_sym wrote:

> As a common man the social responsiblities/values are not adopted,

>

Senthil, you have raised a very very important aspect... and in this

kaliyuga it is almost impossible to avoid the things mentioned by

you... i am waiting for other sadhaka's replies on this..

 

 

 

IF WE CANT AVOID THESE VICES WE CAN DO SOMETHING FOR EXAMPLE :

 

> Like i pay bribe to get a thing done,

DO NOT TAKE BRIBE

 

> I try to do some short cuts to reduce my taxes,

 

THIS IS NOT REALLY A HINDERANCE TO YOGA

 

>

> Even though not a Lust but still enjoy the dance performed by the

> Heroien on the screen,

 

EVEN LORD INDRA ENJOYS DANCE OF URVASHI AND MENAKA....LOL

>

> Try to use the powers/influence/money to acheive certain things,

>

 

AS LONG AS OTHERS ARE NOT HARMED, USING POWER IS NOT BAD

 

> try to bargain with labours and get work done cheaply without

> bothering their well being,

>

 

THIS IS NOT SIN BUT ECONOMICS

 

 

> Like wise i use my car for travelling ( a single person using a

car

> for travell is a waste of fuel ) avoid using public transport /

other

> options, as i can offord to pay for the fuel.

 

WE ARE NOT TRAVELLING IN CAR ALONE FROM CHILDHOOD. IF MOTHER HAS

PROVIDED US WITH A FACILITY..AND WE ARE USING IT IT IS NOT A SIN

>

> Pollute the mother nature using toxic substances for several

> puposes...

>

 

YES POLLUTING MOTHER NATURE IS SIN AND SHE IS REACTING BACK FIERCELY

BY WAY OF CYCLONES, GLOBAL WARMING, TSUNAMIS ETC.

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Dear Senthilji,

 

The Patanjali yoga is called eight limbs - ashtanga - and hence they

are not steps to be performed by perfecting one steps after the

other ( several life time wouldbe required in that case!). Like limbs

it is employed together/simulataneously in sequence. One can go on

with what suits to start with, such as say pranayama, meditation, may

be dharana too. It is often noticed that proper practice of any of

these 'limbs' will aid successful completion of other 'limbs' too.

key is: " start " , time is running short, be with any yogic practice,

it will make you come round nicely with others! We have great expert

practitioner here in the group such as Sudhakarji and Shantnuji, I

would look for their comments too.

 

Best wishes and regards,

 

M.S.Thimmappa.

 

, " Senthil " <senthil_sym wrote:

>

> Pranam.

>

> I have a serious doubht about a common mans progress in yoga, coz

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, " Senthil " <senthil_sym wrote:

Dear Senthilji,

 

Namaste!

 

Have you seen many who do yoga and pranayama getting more angry,

indulging in more sexual activity, eating more than required. WHY?

Because they do not follow Yama and Niyama.

 

According to my yoga teacher late Dr. Swami Gitanand, of Ananda

Ashram, Pondicherry, 14 inmates of the jail were taught only asanas

and pranayama without talk on yama and niyama. All 14 escaped from the

jail. Did yoga do this? Most definitely because it also enhances

your bad quality along with good quality. So what is the solution?

As Thimappaji rightly pointed out, you cannot do yama and niyama

in ISOLATION for one hour only like asana and pranayama. It is a

life long process, till you die, you have to keep practising it,

but do not be OBSESSED with it.

 

Before i start teaching asanas and breathing technique, 2 classes

are devoted to explaining yama/niyama which majority do not like,

complaining it is wastage of time. So also 2 classes on what you

eat, when you eat, how you eat and how much you eat is frowned upon.

That leaves me with very little choice and when ultimately they

grumble about their sickness i insist only yoga won't help.

Yogic asanas is only front wheel of a bicycle, the backwheel is the

backbone and that is about correct way of eating.

 

It is being obsessed which is wrong like say AHIMSA - thou shall

not kill anything physically and mentally but a mosquito biting you

should be killed otherwise you could end up with any four of the

deadly diseases caused by mosquito. Ofcourse we are lay person in

kaliyuga - unlike a story is told about one saint trying to save a

scorpion from drowning and it stinging the saviour i.e. the saint.

Again continued his attempts to save and again scorpion stinging

the saint. This went on for quite sometime when the disciple of the

saint questioned him about this and the saint replied, my nature is

to help and save while its (SCORPIONS) nature is to sting. It is

doing its duty and i am doing my duty.

In higher stage it is justified but as i said we are lay people and

should be practical also.

 

Further Anger - when a person does not do the job scold him, then

and there and then forget it, it is seething with anger later on

also that is wrong.

 

I stand by what Aumji has said to you. Maybe i could add one more

thing that is go for hybrid/electric car like Prius by Toyota or

Rewa by a Bangalore based company if at all you feel guilty.

Rest all i concur with what Aumji has beautifully explained.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

> Pranam.

>

> I have a serious doubht about a common mans progress in yoga, coz

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

> All 14 escaped from the

> jail. Did yoga do this? Most definitely because it also enhances

> your bad quality along with good quality.

 

Dearest brother, namaste

 

How can yoga enhance your bad qualities? Do tell me more...

 

With love

 

Farah

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Dear Jituji , My doubt is persisting. Sages ad Rishis , Munis and Yogis are

known to get angry and curse with deleterious consequences. Bhrigu Maharishi

cursed Lord Vishnu himself. Viswamitra got angry with King Dasarath. Durvasa

Muni`s anger is a legend.

How come such great holy men could not control anger?

As I had said often & nbsp;, I did not get angry after 1976 ,.

Probably I suppress my anger & nbsp;subconsciously without showing it out.

Is this more dangerous with long term effects ?

Or am I afraid of getting angry as every time I got angry with someone , that

someone was cursed by God with serious loss?

I am keen to know .

Please say more on anger. I request an answer from you,Shantnuji,Babaji & nbsp;and

all other & nbsp;sadhaks ?

May God bless all

ijswamy & nbsp;

 

 

~SWAMY

http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/

 

 

@ s.com, " Senthil " & lt;senthil_sym@ ... & gt; wrote:

Dear Senthilji,

 

Namaste!

 

Have you seen many who do yoga and pranayama getting more angry,

[Guest guest]

Dear Babaji, ThimmapaJi, SudhakarJi,

Pranam.

Thanks for your replies.

 

Babaji that was a humourous touch,LOL...

> > Even though not a Lust but still enjoy the dance performed by

the

> > Heroien on the screen,

>

> EVEN LORD INDRA ENJOYS DANCE OF URVASHI AND MENAKA....LOL

> >

 

THIMMAPAJI,

AS YOU SAID " One can go on with what suits to start with,

such as say pranayama, meditation, may be dharana too. It is often

noticed that proper practice of any of these 'limbs' will aid

successful completion of other 'limbs' too. key is: " start " ,

 

AGREED BUT I FEEL, THIS AS A MAIN LIMB, AS ALL OTHER LIMBS CAN BE

THOUGHT BY A TEACHER AND FOLLOWED, BUT THIS LIMB HAS TO COME FOR

INSIDE, THAT IS THE REASON I ASKED THIS QUESTION. tHANKS.

 

SUDHAKARJI,

AS YOU SAID " more angry,indulging in more sexual activity,

eating more than required. WHY?Because they do not follow Yama and

Niyama.

 

VERY TRUE, PEOPLE START COMPLAINING ABOUT THESE WEHN THE START YOGA

AND EVERY ONE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF YAMA AND NIYAMA.

 

YOU ALSO SAID " 2 classes are devoted to explaining

yama/niyama which majority do not like,complaining it is wastage of

time. "

EVERY ONE INCLUDING ME THOUGHT THIS AS A WASTE OF TIME AT THE

BEGINGIN OF YOGA CLASSES, BUT NOW I FEEL THESE UNLESS YAMA AND NIYAMA

ARE NOT TAKEN CARE WE MAY NOT ACHIVE THE ENJOYMENT OF ULTIMATE BLISS.

THANKS.

 

 

SHANTANUJI, IAM EAGERLY WAITING FOR YOUR POST ON THIS.

 

THANKS ALL.

Luv.

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, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

 

Hello Farahaji,

 

Namaste!

 

To answer to your query please note that those 14 criminals were

group of petty thieves and murderers. Tamasic in nature with very

cloudy/muddled thinking.

 

When they were introduced to asanas and pranayama - which as you

know acts on glands, muscles, tissues and all the system unlike

weight lifting.

 

While weight lifting is done 3 times, professionals do it 5 to 6

times a week specially before entering a contest but yoga is done

all the 7 days of the week. It is gentle yet strong.

 

When these criminals took to yoga practice their health started

improving so also pranayama led to more clear thinking which they

were not used to. They could not handle this fresh outlook and

since the foundation of yama, niyama was not there, for them

security factor or safety factor was to resort to their old ways

of thinking. Thus for them that was very secured and assisted by

this new found dynamic mindset they meticulously planned their

escape.

 

This is mainly the case where yoga is practised without yama and

niyama. I will take my own case. When i learnt which was from a

book (that time there were no classes as they exist now, nor were

there so many books) i was spending 2 hours to complete 72 asanas.

My EGO was highly boated and to add to this i was always short

tempered. I remember my mom saying that after taking to yoga, her

son (i.e. me) has become more violent which was true as there was

no one to guide me.

I can give some more examples of my other students who under my

tutelage followed yama/niyama and the moment class was discontinued

they resorted to their old ways of drinking and gluttony which for

3 months during yoga class they had abstained from.

 

Therefore in short if you don't practice yama/niyama the

purification of body and mind cannot be handled and they

therefore cling to their old ways for reasons of safety and

security. This new concept in their body and mind is ALIEN to

them and thus subconsciously they fall back on old ways, that

is why y/n should be consciously followed throughout your life.

 

To put it bluntly - Yoga makes you a better person you already

are i.e. if you are a cunning person you become more cunning and

if you are a manipulative person your become more manipulative

and so on.

 

I hope you get my point. If still in doubt do ask.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

> , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@> wrote:

> >

> > All 14 escaped from the

> > jail. Did yoga do this? Most definitely because it also enhances

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> SHANTANUJI, IAM EAGERLY WAITING FOR YOUR POST ON THIS.

 

 

Namaste,

 

Personally, I think Yama- Niyama are over rated - people are made to

feel guilty. Yama Niyama have become a moral issue that priests use to

beat ordinary people with - thats not how Patanjali meant them.

 

Most people think they will 1st make themself " pure " according to the

high standards og Indian Yogis- which in practice means they have to

renounce the world, sex, money, live in some jungle. Since no one can

practically do this, it means no one actually seriously meditates.

Yama Niyam then becomes an excuse.

 

All these good qualities of yama niyama are(in my limited experince)

side effects- if you are meditating properly, your interest in money

goes away, so you will no longer want to steal or covet(asteya &

apraigraha). Your love grows, so you will automatically not one to

harm anyone(ahinsa). You will start living more in the truth(Satya).

 

Take the most talked about Brahmcharya - which is transated as

celibacy or avoiding sex. But thats not what Brahmcharya translates

as: Brahm(Spirit) + Charya(lifestyle) - Brahmcharya = Living like

Brahm or the Pure spirit. Brahmcharya means living in God at all

times, with an equal eye. If one can do this, there is no need to

supress sex.

 

Even if we take Brahmcharya in its literal sense as celibacy - most

people are made guilty ot their sex desires, which they have no

control over, as Prakriti gives them to us, & our Karma enforce this

desire. The best way is to meditate- we only have so much energy. If

we are using it in meditation, there is none left for sex. But people

try to suppress their desire, with the result they dont become Yogis &

get psychological problems.

 

As I said in beginning, Yama - Niyama are side effects. Rather than

worrying too much about them, just start meditating. This is also

where faith in God comes in - of God wants you to become Brahmchari,

he will create such circumstances that you will be forced to become

one, whether you want to or not. So why waste time worrying? Just

meditate, have faith in God, & leave the rest to him.

 

with love

Shantnu

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Dear Shantnuji,

 

Very well said Sir. Sadhaka be filled with total devotion, He will

take care! Be an empty space within - chidakasha - so that God can

enter and take charge, rest is His-story! All sadhana/yoga aims at

only this : cleansing and preparing to receive Him, He is the one and

the only 'solution' to all the problems of us and the world.

 

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

> Personally, I think Yama- Niyama are over rated - people are made to

[Guest guest]

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

I remember my mom saying that after taking to yoga, her

> son (i.e. me) has become more violent

> To put it bluntly - Yoga makes you a better person you already

> are i.e. if you are a cunning person you become more cunning and

> if you are a manipulative person your become more manipulative

> and so on.

>

 

Dear Sudhakar

 

Ive never heard this view before at all, but its an interesting one &

we will have to agree to disagree. I have always believed that yoga

can reach & touch everyone (if they allow it)- especially those who

are very much in need (because of physical illness, mental illness, a

criminal mind, anger etc.) I know of people who have taught yoga in

prisons & I myself would love to do this too. Surely yoga is a tool

for transformation & if someone (like a criminal for example) gets a

taste & a feel for it, they will be hungry to look into the

philiosophical side of yoga & see it as a whole way of life, rather

than just asana based practice alone. I deliberately said " if they

allow it " previously, because of course some people will stay on the

path of negativity for as long as they choose... but Ive certainly

never heard of yoga practice being the cause of amplifying a persons

criminality or negativity in any way. Its an interesting one.

 

With love

 

Farah

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Hello Farahaji,

 

Namaste!

 

You are definitely entitled for your own opinion. Just for your

information my yoga teacher was not only religious head but a

qualified medical doctor. It was from him i learnt and as they say,

PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN EATING NOT TALKING ABOUT IT - thats all

sums up the whole matter.

 

By the way it also reminds me of the same way we disagreed on

Meditation and experiencing death while living when you preferred

5 minutes meditation as better than 2 1/2 hours which i had talked

about.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

[Guest guest]

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

 

My doubt is persisting. Sages ad Rishis , Munis and Yogis are known to

get angry and curse with deleterious consequences. Bhrigu Maharishi

cursed Lord Vishnu himself. Viswamitra got angry with King Dasarath.

Durvasa Muni`s anger is a legend.

 

 

i think that they are heighly Satvic in nature , hence they are still

having desires to accomplish , whenever they get disturbance in their

desires they become angry and they curse and in fact it is their duty

to punish otherwise toamoguni people would take over to satvic

people . sorry i do not know weather i am right or wrong but it is my

request to all the members please share your knowledge as that

question is also very good question . thanks to all

 

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN , KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE

RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE

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, " Senthil " <senthil_sym wrote:

>

> Dear Babaji, ThimmapaJi, SudhakarJi,

> Pranam.

> Thanks for your replies.

>

> Babaji that was a humourous touch,LOL...

 

Dear Senthil, i was serious !!! I think one old story would sum up

all the answers put forth by you. The story may be known to you

but let us refresh our memory.

 

Ashtavakra's disciple a sadhu who had done a lot of penance asked

for True Gyan. Ashtavakra sent that sadhu to Janak - saying Janaka

was the greatest gyani of the times and he would impart the true

knowledge.

 

The sadhu reached Janak's palace. Janaka welcomed him and asked

him tobe seated in the court. Sadhu was shocked to see Janaka

enjoying his glass of wine and seeing dances and appreciating the

dancers. The sadhu thought - may be my guru was mistaken... this

Janaka can not be a gyani. A king who enjoys a big palace, wine and

dances and is surrounded by all thypes of sinners, can not know Gyan.

 

In the evening, Janaka sat with the sadhu and start discussing

the Brahma gyan. Meanwhile there was huge fire in the palace and

all people started running out of the palace. Janaka and the sadhu

also came out of the palace and stood in the garden. Sadhu suddenly

told Janaka- Oh sir i have to go back to the burning palace as i

have forgotten my Kaupeen ( a cloth used as inner clothing), and my

kamandalu inside the palace, before it is burnt let me fetch it out

because that is the only things i have in this world.

 

Janaka smiled and nodded and the sadhu braved the raging fire and

brought out his possessions... and next day went back to his guru

and complained about guru's mistake in sending him to Janaka a man

ful of lust and vices.

 

The guru smiled and replied - Ohh so you did not get the

lesson.... ok when there was a fire you were so worried of your

possessions that you ran back to burning palace and saved your

things.... Janaka who had all his palace, his clothes, and his all

possessions burning did not give a damn to it... This is the

lesson. Janaka is enjoying all what you mentioned as Sakshi and is

least attached with them. ... whereas you being a sadhu is more

attached to your only possessions.

 

Yama and Niyama are important and are very necessary for a

beginner and they neither make a pre-requisite nor post requisite.

 

With love

 

Baba

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja

wrote:

 

> My doubt is persisting. Sages ad Rishis , Munis and Yogis are

known to

> get angry and curse with deleterious consequences. Bhrigu

Maharishi

 

 

Dear Jeetu bhai, I fully agree with you. The high spiritual rishis

and maharishis are not doing any egoistic job. They take themselves

as a tool of shakti and do her work and for that they curse and

become angry... and their anger may not be a real egoistic anger.

 

Anger is a bad thing as it hurts both subject and object. In

anger our mind releases some harmful chemicals.. hence it should be

avoided. by a common man. But when one is established in sadhna and

has developed sakshi bhava then anger etc do not become a bad karma

or a vice. Many rishis even Bhagavan Krishna became angry. Lord

shiva is known for his anger.

 

 

Incidentally, the 8 Pasha of Tantra ( pashas are bindings of

mother which make jivatama out of shiva)...there is no mention of

Anger and Sex as a Pasha. Tantra takes anger and sex as normal

behaviour and not a binding upon a person.

 

However most of our dharma grnathas talk against anger and they

are also right as far as a common individual soul is concerned.

 

love

 

Aum

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Pranams,

 

Meditation practice during initial period may surface some of the

latent energies that remains subdued in the subconscious...like,

anger, hate, jealousy, etc.

But, there is a DIFFERENCE?

Earlier we used to simply act on it as if it was a part of our

temperament, but NOW, we are able to identify it as something thats

not a part of us. So, now we have a choice...that is to carry out a

'root cause analysis' and get to know its reason and work to eliminate

the same. (thru yam, niyam, etc....)

This is the benefit of MEDITATION :-)

 

Regards,

Anupam

 

 

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

> You are definitely entitled for your own opinion. Just for your

> information my yoga teacher was not only religious head but a

> qualified medical doctor. It was from him i learnt and as they say,

[Guest guest]

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

 

 

I understand as we progress in Yoga we will try to adopt Yama in a

> much better way, but donot you think Samadhi is tooooo far away

> living in this very materialistic world? should i leave the normal

> kaliyug life to progress in Yoga?

>

 

Thanks to all the Sadhakas , Baba ji , Santanu Sir , Sudhakar Sir ,

Farah madem , M.S.Thimpaa Sir ,Swami Sir Anupam ji and all other

Sadhakas whomever have been posted on this

 

MY DEAR FRIEND SENTHIL

 

as allready it is explained by everybody

 

Baba ji said when a person reaches into heigher stage than it is not

necessary to go for Yam , Niyam .....but definetely He does everything

as per Dharma , the Sanantan dharma

 

My own opinion about this is that for Sankhya Yogi , for beginers Yam

and Niyam are NECESSARY as He leaves everything in the begining and

than He starts sadhana .

 

For Karam Yogi it is not necessary . Yes for good health He must go

for these things too as in Kaliyug as the environment is changing but

very little as major exercise He does while doing Karma Yoga .

 

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN , HARE HARE,HARE RAM ,HARE

RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

, " Anupam Shil " <anupamshil wrote:

>

> Pranams,

>

> Meditation practice during initial period may surface some of the

> latent energies that remains subdued in the subconscious...like,

> anger, hate, jealousy, etc.

>

Dear brother

 

I agree, this is the whole core of meditation - to filter through all

the layers that cover the true self & see them as separate. Then the

shedding away of all the clothes the ego likes to wear can take

place. It is the quality of the meditation, not the length of time we

spend doing it that matters. Which was what I said months back dear

Sudhakar - not that 5 minutes was better... if half an hour, 20

mins, or 5 mins is all the person can spare here & there then it is

still just as worthy as an hour or more. I meditate for an hour in

the morning & the same in the evening & this is just right for me.

Other people Im sure will be different & that is fine. At the time

you said anything less than 3 hours was 'no meditation' - which I

still strongly disagree with. Most people cannot meditate for 3 hours

& they should not be seen as any less. This is your ego talking dear

brother - will he not shed his cloak still after so much meditation?

 

With love as always

 

Farah

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, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

 

Hello Farahaji,

 

Namaste!

 

Well i guess i have to explain in what context it was said.

You know for water to boil it needs 100 degrees temperature,

anything less the water will not boil.

 

Similarly you start with of course 5 or even less time in

meditation - it is a start no doubt but still your goal is

100 degrees, in this context when you daily meditate upto

3 hours from quantity, quality will come and this is what i

meant that anything less then 3 hours is NO MEDITATION. And

i still stand by what i said - because you can find time to

watch tv or go shopping etc., etc., but when it comes to

meditation everyone backs out. This is said for EMPHASIS and

it is not EGOISTIC statement.

 

As regards ego i do not claim i am ego less and for that matter

so are you when you say - someone has an ego (that does not

make you blameless) and believe me everyone has an ego only

the degree varies.

 

I hope this does not give rise to more controvery.

 

Good day mam.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

 

 

> spend doing it that matters. Which was what I said months back dear

> Sudhakar - not that 5 minutes was better... if half an hour, 20

> mins, or 5 mins is all the person can spare here & there then it is

[Guest guest]

Pranam.

 

thanks to all sadhakas.

 

Babaji thanks for reminding us of Janaka one of the great yogi.

Nothing to worry about the nature of kaliyug, it question of practicing

Yoga.

 

Like Shanji said about Karma yoga, if we analyse and do what ever then

we would follow the Yama and Niyama. ( ShanJi and ThimmapaJi you really

sounded identical to what my teacher said ).

 

Thankyou SudhakarJi, AnupamJi, Jiterndraji, Farahji, ThimmappaJi.

 

Luv.

[Guest guest]

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

>

> > God wants you to become Brahmchari,

> he will create such circumstances that you will be forced to become

> one, whether you want to or not. So why waste time worrying? Just

> meditate, have faith in God, & leave the rest to him.

>

> aha, best conclusion. All depend upon God's will and he alone knows

what is best for each of us. We should just do whatever best we can do

with our limited knowledge and surrender the outcome to Him.

Sir one question here... it has been preached always that have faith in

God

what a common person can do to have deep faith in God...plz give some

points

 

so hum...

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>> By the way it also reminds me of the same way we disagreed on

> Meditation and experiencing death while living when you preferred

>

 

How can we experience death while living ?

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, ansuya80 <no_reply wrote:

 

Hello ansuyaji,

 

Namaste!

 

To experience death while living is a meditation technique

where you have to sit for prescribed time daily. As you know

mind is a truant monkey and it keeps shifting from one thought

to another mostly in the past or in the future. Here the technique

involves concentration at the third eye centre. Your success depends

upon your previous birth karma. Supposing you have done some

sadhana it is easier and it is just carry forward from where you

left off but if you are new then it may take longer. Again if you

having burning desire and sacrifice your leisure activity and go to

bed early wherein it makes it easier for you to get up early at

Brahma muhurtha which is between 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. This is the ideal

time because no one will disturb you. Absolutely no one because at

that time everyone is sleeping and you should take advantage of

this time. Ofcourse you can meditate any other time also but there

will always be obstacles but this brahma muhurtha time is best.

 

When you meditate and reach a level of concentration your

extremities start getting numb and this numbness when it

reaches third eye centre you experience a flash of light and

since you are not use to it you open your eyes and the whole

concentration is lost. You again start and this on off goes on

for a while and then you get use to it wherein you won't

open your eyes and then you will get use to this light - further

you will experience what is called as being bathed in light.

 

Then further you will see starry skies and then you have to

concentrate on bright star etc., etc.,

 

All these experiences of numbness, seeing light, hearing sound

etc., is the same experience you go through while actually dying.

But since you are meditating and go through the experience daily

when actual " dying time " comes it won't be frightening at all.

 

This is exactly what St. Paul said meant, I DIE DAILY.

 

I hope this wets your appetite to meditate and please it is not

easy but then in life nothing is easy. Read the history of all

saints, they have virtually cried and begged god to give them

darshan but that should not put you off because our karma obstructs

but if you cultivate firm determination God will definitely help

you but your intensity and sincerity counts.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@> wrote:

> >> By the way it also reminds me of the same way we disagreed on

> > Meditation and experiencing death while living when you preferred

> >

>

> How can we experience death while living ?

>

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> Sir one question here... it has been preached always that have faith

>in God what a common person can do to have deep faith in God...plz give

 

Sohumji, let me give a quote by Sri Aurobindo

 

" Others boast they love God. My boast is God found me & forced me to

love him "

 

When I started, I had no faith- I was hard core logical man, & proud

of it.

 

But there were times when I ego took a big knock, & I bowed to God

from my whole being, & my problems vanished. Not only that, I found

the knock was necessary for me to progress both materially &

spiritually. This has happened many times- & now I see my whole life

like a movie script, planned to the smallest detail.

 

The thing to do is to continue Sadhna, keep your heart & mind open,

you will see many miracles in your own life. Most people ignore these

miracles of God as co-incidences, or think they deserve it because

they are so great. Get rid of both these mis-conceptions, & analyse

your life neutrally. Faith will automatically develop.

 

And be assured, faith comes automatically with time & effort.

 

with love

Shantnu

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

 

> To experience death while living is a meditation technique

> where you have to sit for prescribed time daily. As you know

> mind is a truant monkey and it keeps shifting from one thought

 

 

Thanks Sudhakar ji for telling this wonderful meditation. Please

tell if one can do it without guidance of a guru ?

 

There is a similar meditation technique adopted by buddhists. In

this meditation one lies down in Shavasana and concentrates on whole

body and they feeling as if the physical body is disintegrating and

only bones are left and then bones are also disintegrated into

cosmos and what is left, is meditated upon.

 

NDE (Near Death Experience) also removes the fear of death of a

sadhaka. One can feel NDE accidental or in the state of lower

samadhi.

 

The more we have unfulfilled desires and the more we have

attachements to they material possession, the more painful and

fearful the death would be.

 

OSHO wrote - Those who live thier life as sadhna, death becomes a

festival for them.

 

 

Love

 

Aum