How to progress in Yoga.

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OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

Sudhakarji , Pranams , Now the answer to " Why "

Adishankaracharya in His Bhaja Govindam wrote " punarapi jananam , punarapi

maranam, punarapi  janani  jathare shayanam " etc. Repeated births , deaths and

repeated stays in mother`s womb  are unpleasant.  In my next birth even  I `ll

be the greatest human ,  I want to be free from cycles of birth -- death -

birth.

Kulasekharalwar in  MUKUNDAMALA  said

" I may not be able to think of YOU  at the time of my death because of bodily

afflictions like  kapha- vatha -- pittha variants "

Human birth ,growth,senelity and death --- is a life not to be desired again and

again. 

All this if I have a choice.

your co sadhak 

ijswamy  

 

 

~SWAMY

http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/

 

--- On Sun, 6/29/08, spbyoga9 <spbyoga9 wrote:

 

spbyoga9 <spbyoga9

Re: How to progress in Yoga.

 

Sunday, June 29, 2008, 10:57 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

@ s.com, " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU "

<jiragavarapu@ ...> wrote:

 

Dear Swamiji,

 

Namaste!

 

Thanks for your response but the answer is incomplete. I also

asked ''WHY''.

 

Kindly give your reasons for the same.

 

Thanks

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

> If God appears before me (as He often does in some form or other) I

pray that I should merge into Him without rebirth in any form .

> That will be the happiest state. I want that varadan.

>

>

> ~SWAMY

> http://gjnanaswarup .spaces.live. com/blog/

>

> @ s.com, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@ .> wrote:

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> Dear Fellow Spiritual Travellers,

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

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> , aumji <no_reply@> wrote:

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>

> > Who is trying to get liberated ? shiva or shakti ?

> >

> Aumji, no doubt it is lower Shakti trying to get liberated, as

Shiva &

> higher shakti(Adi Shakti) are already liberated.

>

> But our lower Shakti is a part of Adi Shakti, & she decides how we

> will progress, what path we will take(Raj Yog, Hatha Yog, Tantra,

> Bhakti, or a mixture of them). Our own free will is to accept her

path

> with surrender, or fight her & delay our own Mukti.

>

> I was reading somewhere: A Guru tells his student- you dont have

the

> freedom to reject my path, as your personal Shakti wont let you.

You

> do have the freedom to make fast or slow progress, based on how

much

> dedication you have.

>

> So our only freedom is to accept Ma Shaktis path for us- we can be

> sure she has chosen the fastest path for us. This surrender is what

> separates Yogis from normal people.

>

> with love

> Shantnu

>

 

beautiful reply shantnu .. thanks

 

Tell me when you said shakti decides which path we would take, does

it mean the path also is pre-decided and / or is it always a single

path which leads to Moksha or we have to undertake different paths

in different births ?

 

Aum

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> Tell me when you said shakti decides which path we would take, does

> it mean the path also is pre-decided and / or is it always a single

> path which leads to Moksha or we have to undertake different paths

> in different births ?

 

 

Aumji, we must be perfect in all the paths- that is total freedom.

People who dont do Bhakti are imperfect emotionally, those who dont do

Gyan are imperfect logically, those who dont do Hatha Yoga are

imperfect Pranically & physically, those who dont do Raj Yoga are

imperfect mentally.

 

Full freedom is freedom to do anything, & also the capability to do

so. Shakti might choose 1 path in 1 life, or more if we are more

advanced on the path & Ma shakti thinks we can handle different paths.

 

In practice, perfection on 1 path leads to perfection on others- so a

good Bhakta automatically becomes a good Gyani, & vice versa.

 

with love

Shantnu

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HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

 

 

> >

> > > Who is trying to get liberated ? shiva or shakti ?

> > >

> > Aumji, no doubt it is lower Shakti trying to get liberated, as

> Shiva &

> > higher shakti(Adi Shakti) are already liberated.

> >

 

THANKS TO ALL THE SADHAKAS FOR GREAT CONTRIBUTION FOR THE SATSANG .

BEAUTIFULL QUESTIONS AUM SIR JI AND BEAUTIFULL REPLY SHANTANU SIR JI

BUT I WOULD ADD MY OPINION TOO

 

 

I would also like to add something for this question as who is

trying to liberate Lord Shiva or Shakti

 

i think that both Shiva and Shakti are dependent to each other .

 

if there is lower Shakti Shantanu Sir Ji than there is Lower Shiva

too in my opinion . wherever is Shiva there is Shakti .

 

Shakti ke bina Shiva SAV hain

 

purification of Shiva leads to purification of Shakti

automatically and purification of Shakti leads to purification of

Shiva automatically .

 

meditation leads to good karmas and good karmas leads to meditation

 

thoughts leads to karmas and karmas leads to thoughts

 

and my question is that

why Shakti is female and Shiva is male in form . please share your

views it is my request to all the Sadhakas .

 

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE,HARE RAM ,

HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE

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, aumji <no_reply wrote:

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HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

 

 

I personally feel i would like to come again and again to this

> beautiful universe....BUT not as a slave but as a Master !!

 

 

I want to add something to this

 

if it is the wish of the Lord that i should take birth to live like a

slave , i am ready to become the slave of anybody even to to a croor

kansa .

 

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAM ,HARE

RAM ,RAM RAM, HARE HARE

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

>> if it is the wish of the Lord that i should take birth to live like

a

> slave , i am ready to become the slave of anybody even to to a

croor

> kansa .

 

 

Bravo Jeetu bhai... this is true surrender to the lord.

 

Aum

 

Where were u missing for so many days ?

 

i was missing u

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HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

 

> Where were u missing for so many days ?

>

> i was missing

 

THANKS SIR JI , I WAS ALso MISSING A LOT TO ALL SADHAKAS

 

actually my boss is changed and new boss is giving me a lot of work

so ...........

 

secondaly i had gone to Haridwar for inspection of plants . i stayed

there for 4 days . and i am purified a lot . I took bath in Mother

Ganga so many times and i visited Mansa Devi temple , Chandi Devi

Maan mandir and Daksha temple . i came to know the story of the King

Daksha through video which you can see on any shop . that why

Daksha prajapati's head was replaced by the head of a He goat . in

Mansa devi temple and Daksha temple one common thing i had noticed

that there are 10 Mothers forms

mother Tripura ,mother Kamla,. Mother Bhuvneshari ,........ i could

not understand about these 10 forms of the mothers what is the

relation in all the 10 forms.

 

 

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE

RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE

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, " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU "

<jiragavarapu wrote:

 

Dear Fellow Spiritual Travellers,

 

Namaste!

 

Thanks to all who answered my query and also to those who just

could not for whatever the reason.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

> Sudhakarji , Pranams , Now the answer to " Why "

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, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

> How can yoga enhance your bad qualities? Do tell me more...

>

Hello Farahaji,

 

Namaste!

 

Re your query on How can yoga enhance your bad qualities?

Here is some interesting quote from the magazine " YOGA LIFE "

JULY 2008, Vol.39 No.37 page 13.....

 

Quote

 

SWAMIJI OFTEN SAID, " YOGA MAKES YOU BETTER WHATEVER YOU ARE.

IF YOU ARE A THIEF, YOU WILL BECOME A MORE SKILLFUL THIEF. IF

YOU ARE A CHEAT, YOU WILL BECOME A MORE CLEVER CHEAT. "

 

Swamiji told us time and again, that YOGA GIVES POWER TO THE

INNATE NATURE. The classic case is Ravana, the king of Lanka,

who abducted Sita, the wife of Lord Rama of Ayodhya, Ravana was

a Yogi par excellence and performed difficult austerities (Tapas)

and Yogic discipline. But his moral character was weak. He was

incapable of controlling his passions and animal instincts. Thus,

all the power of his Tapas gave strength to his lust and greed.

 

Taking this idea a step further, one reason that if a weak-minded

person, easily influenced by others, takes to Yoga techniques like

Asanas, Pranayama and concentration practices, that tendency may

become more pronounced, enabling unscrupulous persons to dominate

that practitioner psychically. This would explain the power of cult

Gurus and even political leaders. The media which projects

personalities in a falsely glamourous fashion also produces a kind

of psychic possession where huge number of people become obsessed

with (possessed by) the image of their favourite cinema or sports

star. If one is vulnerable to possession by other human

personalities, it is just a hop, skip and a jump to opening up to

discarnate spirits, which definitely exist and prey on weak minds.

 

As usual the crux of the Yogic search returns to Swadhyaya - self

study and alertness to one's own fatal flaws. The desire to change

and root out the weeds in one's own character is vital if one

wishes to enable the powerful energies roused by Yoga Sadhana to

transform and elevate one's nature. Conscious awareness of every

thought, word and deed every second is necessary to accomplish this

change. Vigilance is the eternal price of spiritual liberty. .....

 

Unquote

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>ur query on How can yoga enhance your bad qualities?

 

Sudhakarji, even if Yoga enhances bad qualities, we should still do

it, because so called " bad " qualities, which are Rajasic in nature,

are still better than the Tamasic fear, cowardice & unwillingness to

do anything, that plagues India.

 

If people keep sitting around, hoping that they will only start when

all their " bad " qualities have finished, they will never start Yoga.

 

Being a robber, theif, is still better than being a useless Indian.

Valmiki was a theif. A great Zen master was given the chance of

choosing between a thief & a farmer as a student- he chose the thief.

As the thief was full of Rajogun, its easier to train him than a

Tamasic farmer.

 

So rather than making up fear stories(fear is a tamasic emotion) of

how Yoga creates criminals, Sudhakarji, you should be telling people

about the positive things of Yoga.

 

As I have written before, Yama/Niyama are over rated. People dont

understand why they are necessary, they have just become moral rules.

But we have had this discussion.

 

 

Shantnu

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

Dear Shantanuji,

 

Namaste!

 

This was pointed out as it was explained better than me and

not for the reason to discourage people from taking to yoga.

If that was the cage i would not be teaching yoga itself.

In fact my first two classes are devoted in explaining the

yama and niyama part which people consider as a waste of time

and later on question me they don't find the so called change

that they have read about yoga. It is in this context that i

felt further explanation which was given in the magazine

would help Farahaji to understand better.

 

Be rest assured i am not at all that kind of a person to discourage

yoga.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

> , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@> wrote:

> >ur query on How can yoga enhance your bad qualities?

>

> Sudhakarji, even if Yoga enhances bad qualities, we should still do

> it, because so called " bad " qualities, which are Rajasic in nature,

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Hari Om!

This is a wonderful idea about yoga. This gives the seemy side of yoga,

without any introspection or swadhyaya. Yoga, by which I mean mere asana,

pranayama and other kriyas, is not a passport for self-realisation. We need to

do a lot of introspection. The mind needs to be purged of its impurities. A

great effort to channellise the energy arising out of the yoga practice is

certainly a must.

ulaganathan p

 

 

 

spbyoga9 <spbyoga9

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

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> would help Farahaji to understand better.

>

 

Dear brother Sudhakar

 

Thankyou, I appreciate the intention behind your post & found it

interesting. As I said before, I have never heard this before, but as

always I am open to listening to all points of view. It all adds to

good discussion.

 

Now, who is Faraha? Maybe our paths will cross some time? :-)

 

With love

 

Farah