Neuroscience: In Search Of Consciousness

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Could be that worldwide 50.000 consciousness researchers are gradually getting close that our brain is not the cause of consciousness but rather something like a complex computer powered by the spirit soul. The human brain has from 10 billion to 100 billion neurons and each neuron has on average 7000 synaptic connections to other neurons.

Consciousness researcher, John Dylan Haynes, says, a study has revealed that the brain makes decisions about 10 seconds prior to a person realises it.

Could mean, the karmic information is supplied into the brain and a couple of seconds later the false ego is accepting it as having made a decision?

 

Pupil Dilation Marks Decision Making

 

posted by Cristof Koch

http://mr.caltech.edu/media/Press_Releases/PR13103.html

 

PASADENA, Calif.-- The eyes may be the windows to the soul, but the simple pupil--the circular opening at the center of the eye that contracts and dilates to regulate the amount of light the eye receives--offers a remarkable portal to the inner workings of the brain. Such is the conclusion of neurobiologist Christof Koch of the California Institute of Technology and his colleagues, who have found that changes in pupil diameter correspond to the moment when a simple decision is made.

 

Koch, the Troendle Professor of Cognitive and Behavioral Biology and professor of computation and neural systems and the author of The Quest for Consciousness: A Neurobiological Approach, working with former postdoc Wolfgang Einhäuser of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and Olivia Carter of Harvard University, discovered the phenomenon in volunteers viewing ambiguous stimuli. These stimuli, or "percepts," consist of images or sounds that can be correctly interpreted in either of two forms, such as the famous optical illusion of a young girl wearing a feathered hat. The image morphs into a picture of an old crone, and vice versa.

 

Another, more straightforward example, used in the current study, is the so-called "Necker cube," a simple line drawing consisting of two connected but offset squares that form an interlocking cube. The cube can appear to either jut out from the page, or to be inverted into the page.

 

Either interpretation is correct, but because both cannot be seen simultaneously, our brains will flip back and forth repeatedly between the two. "Essentially, the switch occurs so that our brain can check out the other one," says Koch. "Bistable percepts are fascinating because nothing changes in the real world. Everything changes in your head."

 

In their experiment, the researchers presented six volunteers with four types of ambiguous stimuli. Three were visual--including the Necker cube--and one was auditory (a sound that could be interpreted as either a single tone or two separate ones). The volunteers viewed or listened to the stimuli--and pressed a key on a keyboard when a perceptual shift occurred-- when the Necker cube flipped from inverted to outward, for example, or back again. At the same time, infrared eye-tracking software measured the diameter of the subjects' pupils.

 

The scientists found a significant increase in the diameter of the pupil at the instant preceding the perceptual switch. The pupil, which is about 2 mm wide in bright light, dilated by as much as 1 mm at that moment--a change that, in theory, could be noticeable to a casual observer. Koch and his colleagues also found that the more the pupil dilated, the longer the period of time before the switch from one interpretation to the other

 

Pupils dilate and contract not just in response to light levels, but also depending on the chemical state of the brain. For example, drugs such as opiates cause the pupil to constrict to pinhole size, while the drug MDMA, or "ecstasy," causes it to dilate. In the normal body, the pupils dilate largely in response to norepinephrine (or noradrenaline), the neurotransmitter responsible for our "flight or fight" response to dangerous situations. Because the subjects' pupils dilated at the moment their brains decided between one form of the ambiguous stimuli and the alternative, the scientists say, norepinephrine may also be important in rapid, unconscious, low-level decisions--including what we see from one moment to the next. The pupil-dilating effect also may explain the ability of some professional poker players to detect "tells"--information about their opponents' cards--by looking at the other players' eyes.

 

"The pupil is not only there to regulate light, but is linked to our emotional state. This may have evolved for us to monitor the emotional state of others, and may offer a very simple way to track decision-making in general," says Koch.

 

The paper, "Pupil dilation reflects perceptual selection and predicts subsequent stability in perceptual rivalry," was published in the early online edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

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Consciousness researcher, John Dylan Haynes, says, a study has revealed that the brain makes decisions about 10 seconds prior to a person realises it.

 

could you imagine if every driver of an auto reacted with a 10 second delay?

 

It was 1982 that this 'i' sent a paper to cal tech sharing how the human brain worked...

 

sharing how the synapse exchange energy at the molecular scale

 

apparently that delay is well over 25 years; as still they know little about consciousness.....

 

but this time, no publishing to the 'community'

 

no one will own what is true ever again

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could you imagine if every driver of an auto reacted with a 10 second delay?

 

It was 1982 that this 'i' sent a paper to cal tech sharing how the human brain worked...

 

sharing how the synapse exchange energy at the molecular scale

 

apparently that delay is well over 25 years; as still they know little about consciousness.....

 

but this time, no publishing to the 'community'

 

no one will own what is true ever again

 

100 billion such neuron make a human brain, it has been estimated that the brain of a three-year-old child has about 10¹⁵ synapses (1 quadrillion). This number declines with age, stabilizing by adulthood.

 

They're having new instruments to actually see how complex and precise the mysterious nanocosmos e.g. the human brain is assembled.

Scientists started lately to behave so deeply impressed and overwhelmed you could almost think they have viewed Krsna's virata-rupa, universal form, and having their hair stands on end. At least one step in the right direction to understand what is consciousness.

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and what was your point.....?

 

there is no 10 second delay

 

as well if you look at the dentrites, you will see how they think it is chemicals moving across back and forth across the dentrites but in reality the exchange is resonant. i.e. see gibbs free energy and how this 'patch' allows for the environment to correct the error of the entropic exchange between a medium.

 

that very exchange between them junctions is the energy (light) exchanging rather than an electrical 'potential'....

 

by this basis, find that all interactions of living things is of light

 

ie.... we do not communicate by exchanging electrical charges, we impose energy (light) upon mass and this is the potential between mass

 

point being; just imagine how far advanced the sciences could be if someone had listened 25 years back...

 

as it is when the rude responses came back then as to what prepared a young mind to begin the quest of truth in which none will ever own the knowledge that will unfold equally to all mankind

 

the knowledge of light is what i do and what most all of my life has prepared for

 

but it is not for sale

 

it is all for the children; our future......

 

the knowledge of light is what combines the 4 corners of mankind

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and what was your point.....?

 

there is no 10 second delay

 

as well if you look at the dentrites, you will see how they think it is chemicals moving across back and forth across the dentrites but in reality the exchange is resonant. i.e. see gibbs free energy and how this 'patch' allows for the environment to correct the error of the entropic exchange between a medium.

 

that very exchange between them junctions is the energy (light) exchanging rather than an electrical 'potential'....

 

by this basis, find that all interactions of living things is of light

 

ie.... we do not communicate by exchanging electrical charges, we impose energy (light) upon mass and this is the potential between mass

 

point being; just imagine how far advanced the sciences could be if someone had listened 25 years back...

 

as it is when the rude responses came back then as to what prepared a young mind to begin the quest of truth in which none will ever own the knowledge that will unfold equally to all mankind

 

the knowledge of light is what i do and what most all of my life has prepared for

 

but it is not for sale

 

it is all for the children; our future......

 

the knowledge of light is what combines the 4 corners of mankind

Well the 10 sec delay supports Bhagavad-gita 3.27

 

The spirit soul bewildered by the influence of false ego thinks himself the doer of activities that are in actuality carried out by the three modes of material nature.

 

or carried out by the brain. After all the brain also has to control all the different fates/destinies making essential decisions to actually make sure that people stay for their whole live within their specific result of past actions.

 

 

 

 

Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.

Frank Outlaw

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Well the 10 sec delay support Bhagavad-gita 3.27

 

The spirit soul bewildered by the influence of false ego thinks himself the doer of activities that are in actuality carried out by the three modes of material nature.

 

 

 

did we miss something there?

 

could the three be spiritual (energy/light), the corporeal (mass) and the transcendant (time)?

 

as for the delay; well in a mass exchange between A and B; t<0 (predetermined)

 

and what much of the community will not accept

 

as then the 2nd law of thermodynamics is proven incorrect as well shares that 'life abuses entropy'..... (reason; entangled environment is not addressed when 'walking the Planck')

 

 

or carried out by the brain. After all the brain also has to control all the different fates/destinies making essential decisions to actually make sure that people stay for their whole live within their specific result of past actions.

we both agree, that mind often makes decisions.

 

and often incorrect when delayed in 'preconceptions'

 

yet at 'peace' and one with existence without preconceptions, then the 'correct' action is not prepared but lived (experienced) as if purposed

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did we miss something there?

 

could the three be spiritual (energy/light), the corporeal (mass) and the transcendant (time)?

 

as for the delay; well in a mass exchange between A and B; t<0 and what much of the community will not accept as then the 2nd law of thermodynamics shares that 'life abuses entropy'.....

 

we both agree, that mind often makes decisions.

 

and often incorrect when delayed in 'preconceptions'

 

yet at 'peace' and one with existence without preconceptions, then the 'correct' action is not prepared but lived (experienced) as if purposed

 

 

"but lived (experienced) as if purposed", if you're in that position what is often also known as materially successful, the next question should be asked - why there's old age, disease and finally death imposed upon us?

As if purposed but who can say, old age, disease and death are purposed?

 

Humility; pridelessness; nonviolence; tolerance; simplicity; approaching a bona fide spiritual master; cleanliness; steadiness; self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification; absence of false ego; the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and disease; detachment; freedom from entanglement with children, wife, home and the rest; even-mindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me; aspiring to live in a solitary place; detachment from the general mass of people; accepting the importance of self-realization; and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth — all these I declare to be knowledge, and besides this whatever there may be is ignorance.

BG 13.8-12

 

"However stout and strong you may be, you have to die. You have to give up this body. This body is temporary, but our tendency is to live forever. The scientists are trying how to keep this body fit. One Russian scientist said that “By material science we shall be able to keep this body forever.” They may say like that, but in the history we do not find any evidence that anyone has ever been able to keep this body forever, immortal. That is not possible."

 

Lecture at Wayside Chapel

by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

Sydney, May 13, 1971

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"but lived (experienced) as if purposed", if you're in that position what is often also known as materially successful, the next question should be asked - why there's old age, disease and finally death imposed upon us?

cycles; as the evolution continues; purposed!

 

 

As if purposed but who can say, old age, disease and death are purposed?

need this be answered; are you asking whether they exist?

 

the purpose is in the increased potential at each change; such as life evolves, so does knowledge, so as one generation leaves its mark, the next picks up from the previous.

 

 

Humility; pridelessness; nonviolence; tolerance; simplicity; approaching a bona fide spiritual master; cleanliness; steadiness; self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification; absence of false ego; the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and disease; detachment; freedom from entanglement with children, wife, home and the rest; even-mindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me; aspiring to live in a solitary place; detachment from the general mass of people; accepting the importance of self-realization; and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth — all these I declare to be knowledge, and besides this whatever there may be is ignorance.

BG 13.8-12

 

OK many can read what has been given up for the commitment

 

"However stout and strong you may be, you have to die. You have to give up this body. This body is temporary, but our tendency is to live forever. The scientists are trying how to keep this body fit. One Russian scientist said that “By material science we shall be able to keep this body forever.” They may say like that, but in the history we do not find any evidence that anyone has ever been able to keep this body forever, immortal. That is not possible."

No body will or can last forever; yet the life upon that mass, can impose to existence, that which can last much longer; hence the reincarnated state of the life that contributed