Bhava Charts and Rashi charts

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There are many House systems followed by the Astrologers all around the world,

the Indian system is of Sripati bhawa , KP followers follow Placidus house

system

with a few like me who had shifted to Topocentric , the total No,s are 14 which

are preferred including Sripati and null. Null means full sign full house

advocated by many Vedic astrologers.

Some are of the view that even Sripati is a western thought , because there was

none but only mid point house system which was in Olden Indian days , I may be

wrong because I am not refering to any book but I am writing on the basis of my

memory.

No astrologer can explain the practical viability of all the House System , it

is at individual mind that how one look at the system and how he can adopt the

best.

The Rashi chart or Null house system is like a manifestation of Supreme Lord

when looked upon through different signs, it is like a sum up of many forces

acting united for a single sign. When we read through the degree, then we are

reading through the different manifestation at a particular time of the supreme

lord.

The God manifest himself through three Gunas and through five elements. The

Human births are due to Rajoguna , others are due to Tamoguna , Satoguna is for

the Deva to take birth , so we are left with Rajoguna when getting life at a

particular time fixed for every particular place.

These are the houses which predominately shows the Gunas , as all the Kendra's

are Rajo Guna , 2-5-8-11 are Tamoguna houses and 3-6-9-12 are Satoguna houses.

The Rashis Chart and planetary degrees if are a manifestation of Supreme Lord

projection at a given time then through ascendant degree and house system one

tries to find out that what exactly has been gathered by an individual

manifestation. The Bhava chart is like assessment of collection of forces from

rashi chart which is like an ocean to a singular bucket which is Bhava Chart.The

different type of House systems can be described as an effort by different

thought for copy of the real universe.

So for assessment of a particular individual it is Bhava chart/Bucket which will

modify the results , but to the maxima and minma shown by the Rashi Chart as had

been received by an individual in his Bhava .

Bhava chart is not comparable with the Divisional Charts , Divisional charts are

assessment of only Lagna degrees, which shows all the reasons that why one is

born and other planets supporting these issues.

But Bhava chart is a positional chart showing that how some forces had shifted

or had focused at one house.

Different astrologers using different system may speak about only what they had

practiced throughout in their life, like I can write about KP, Vedic, Placidus

Topocentric, sripati and Rashi chart etc. But it will be foolishness of those

who write against or in favor to which they had not tested.

The confusion of many astrologers including of KP are when two signs occupy same

bhava , some start even combining planets in different signs like in the same

sign when they shift to one house.

I read somewhere a KP astrologer reading Moon 7th in rashi shifted to 6th in

Cusp as it is making combination with the occupant of previous sign in the

sixth.

This is not correct.

Let us treat Moon in 7th in Libra has shifted to 6th in cusp. The sign of Moon

will remain as Libra , the person with Moon in Libra in 7th is affected by the

Rajoguna of Air element , means touch , sensual pleasures, but with Libra

shifting to sixth is a flavor of Satoguna , the desire to sensual pleasures

flavored with know-how of Service ; the 6th house will take over to moon , it

will not provide sensual pleasures , but will give service or will cause such

other effects in its Dasha periods.

Imagine now another position Jupiter in lagna in his own sign say Sagittarius

shifting to 12th house. Difficult to grasp for a Vedic to cause loss of health.

Most KP astrologers will also read such a Jupiter causing health loss only..

Such Jupiter will protect the asc through source of 12th house only ; that is

one should be cautious to routine and system then only he will remain healthy,

or this will provide health through local herbs , for an Indian through Yoga and

through Vedic medicines and for a western through his own local system.

The Astrology of Rashi and Divisions is only 40% in Astrology , to add another

40% you will have to master Bhava system. Rest 20% is on your intuitive

faculties and meditation.So without Bhava chart you are left with 40% astrology

and 60% intuitions.

With Best Wishes,

Er. Inder Jit Sahni,

House No.1351-HIG,Model Town ,Phase-1,

Bhatinda-1510001,Phone 0164 2211360;09855224360

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Dear Shri Inderjitji,

 

That was a very good and thoughtful piece.

 

//No astrologer can explain the practical viability of all the House

System , it

is at individual mind that how one look at the system and how he can

adopt the

best.//

 

Very true.

 

//So for assessment of a particular individual it is Bhava

chart/Bucket which will

modify the results , but to the maxima and minma shown by the Rashi

Chart as had

been received by an individual in his Bhava .

Bhava chart is not comparable with the Divisional Charts , Divisional

charts are

assessment of only Lagna degrees, which shows all the reasons that

why one is

born and other planets supporting these issues.

But Bhava chart is a positional chart showing that how some forces

had shifted

or had focused at one house.//

 

Right Sir.

 

//The confusion of many astrologers including of KP are when two

signs occupy same

bhava , some start even combining planets in different signs like in

the same

sign when they shift to one house.//

 

Here though the 2 signs may fall in one Bhava , but the Owner of the

Bhava

is taken as the Lord of the sign at the beginning of the Bhava Cusp.

 

// I read somewhere a KP astrologer reading Moon 7th in rashi shifted

to 6th in

Cusp as it is making combination with the occupant of previous sign

in the

sixth. This is not correct.

Let us treat Moon in 7th in Libra has shifted to 6th in cusp. The

sign of Moon

will remain as Libra , the person with Moon in Libra in 7th is

affected by the

Rajoguna of Air element , means touch , sensual pleasures, but with

Libra

shifting to sixth is a flavor of Satoguna , the desire to sensual

pleasures

flavored with know-how of Service ; the 6th house will take over to

moon , it

will not provide sensual pleasures , but will give service or will

cause such

other effects in its Dasha periods.//

 

Absolutely . The Moon would be treated as in Libra only, but will

give effects

of 6th Bhava only as you rightly mentioned , service, will not

provide

sensual pleasures as now oppsed to 7th (12th to 7th) . This may not

be

sensual pleasures as this venus(Karaka for 7th and shukranu)

and 12th (Bed)would denote, but yes it may

deny marriage pleasures, which again you may count also as sensual.

 

//Imagine now another position Jupiter in lagna in his own sign say

Sagittarius

shifting to 12th house. Difficult to grasp for a Vedic to cause loss

of health.

Most KP astrologers will also read such a Jupiter causing health loss

only..

Such Jupiter will protect the asc through source of 12th house only ;

that is

one should be cautious to routine and system then only he will remain

healthy,

or this will provide health through local herbs , for an Indian

through Yoga and

through Vedic medicines and for a western through his own local

system.//

 

Yes again right. I am enjoying your analysis. Jupiter going now as

asc.lord

to 12th Bhava will deny the strong constitution which apparently

if we see the Lagna chart only, we would miss the weakness.

 

//The Astrology of Rashi and Divisions is only 40% in Astrology , to

add another

40% you will have to master Bhava system. Rest 20% is on your

intuitive

faculties and meditation.So without Bhava chart you are left with 40%

astrology

and 60% intuitions. //

 

Sir, I could not have said this better then You. Now I breath a sigh

of relief.

 

Best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Inder Jit Sahni"

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> There are many House systems followed by the Astrologers all around

the world,

> the Indian system is of Sripati bhawa , KP followers follow

Placidus house

> system

> with a few like me who had shifted to Topocentric , the total No,s

are 14 which

> are preferred including Sripati and null. Null means full sign full

house

> advocated by many Vedic astrologers.

> Some are of the view that even Sripati is a western thought ,

because there was

> none but only mid point house system which was in Olden Indian

days , I may be

> wrong because I am not refering to any book but I am writing on the

basis of my

> memory.

> No astrologer can explain the practical viability of all the House

System , it

> is at individual mind that how one look at the system and how he

can adopt the

> best.

> The Rashi chart or Null house system is like a manifestation of

Supreme Lord

> when looked upon through different signs, it is like a sum up of

many forces

> acting united for a single sign. When we read through the degree,

then we are

> reading through the different manifestation at a particular time of

the supreme

> lord.

> The God manifest himself through three Gunas and through five

elements. The

> Human births are due to Rajoguna , others are due to Tamoguna ,

Satoguna is for

> the Deva to take birth , so we are left with Rajoguna when getting

life at a

> particular time fixed for every particular place.

> These are the houses which predominately shows the Gunas , as all

the Kendra's

> are Rajo Guna , 2-5-8-11 are Tamoguna houses and 3-6-9-12 are

Satoguna houses.

> The Rashis Chart and planetary degrees if are a manifestation of

Supreme Lord

> projection at a given time then through ascendant degree and house

system one

> tries to find out that what exactly has been gathered by an

individual

> manifestation. The Bhava chart is like assessment of collection of

forces from

> rashi chart which is like an ocean to a singular bucket which is

Bhava Chart.The

> different type of House systems can be described as an effort by

different

> thought for copy of the real universe.

> So for assessment of a particular individual it is Bhava

chart/Bucket which will

> modify the results , but to the maxima and minma shown by the Rashi

Chart as had

> been received by an individual in his Bhava .

> Bhava chart is not comparable with the Divisional Charts ,

Divisional charts are

> assessment of only Lagna degrees, which shows all the reasons that

why one is

> born and other planets supporting these issues.

> But Bhava chart is a positional chart showing that how some forces

had shifted

> or had focused at one house.

> Different astrologers using different system may speak about only

what they had

> practiced throughout in their life, like I can write about KP,

Vedic, Placidus

> Topocentric, sripati and Rashi chart etc. But it will be

foolishness of those

> who write against or in favor to which they had not tested.

> The confusion of many astrologers including of KP are when two

signs occupy same

> bhava , some start even combining planets in different signs like

in the same

> sign when they shift to one house.

> I read somewhere a KP astrologer reading Moon 7th in rashi shifted

to 6th in

> Cusp as it is making combination with the occupant of previous sign

in the

> sixth.

> This is not correct.

> Let us treat Moon in 7th in Libra has shifted to 6th in cusp. The

sign of Moon

> will remain as Libra , the person with Moon in Libra in 7th is

affected by the

> Rajoguna of Air element , means touch , sensual pleasures, but with

Libra

> shifting to sixth is a flavor of Satoguna , the desire to sensual

pleasures

> flavored with know-how of Service ; the 6th house will take over to

moon , it

> will not provide sensual pleasures , but will give service or will

cause such

> other effects in its Dasha periods.

> Imagine now another position Jupiter in lagna in his own sign say

Sagittarius

> shifting to 12th house. Difficult to grasp for a Vedic to cause

loss of health.

> Most KP astrologers will also read such a Jupiter causing health

loss only..

> Such Jupiter will protect the asc through source of 12th house

only ; that is

> one should be cautious to routine and system then only he will

remain healthy,

> or this will provide health through local herbs , for an Indian

through Yoga and

> through Vedic medicines and for a western through his own local

system.

> The Astrology of Rashi and Divisions is only 40% in Astrology , to

add another

> 40% you will have to master Bhava system. Rest 20% is on your

intuitive

> faculties and meditation.So without Bhava chart you are left with

40% astrology

> and 60% intuitions.

> With Best Wishes,

> Er. Inder Jit Sahni,

> House No.1351-HIG,Model Town ,Phase-1,

> Bhatinda-1510001,Phone 0164 2211360;09855224360

> hanskpvedic

>

>

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Sahni ji,

 

Good points. I viewed bhava kundali and rashi kundali

in similar fashion. What house system one uses ( equal

house, placidus, etc.) is stil an unresolved issue. I

have used bhava kundali for chart from lagna ( equal

house mostly) and rashi kundali is like chandra lagna

kundali, one does not change the rashi position of

planets in this chart.

 

Like in your example guru may be in sign in ascendent

but can move to 12th bhava. Guru in lagna may give a

native more stout( fat) body type but if the same guru

moves to 12th bhava this is not observed.

 

As per Chadrashekarjis question, I use bhava lord as

the lord of the sign of where the bhava madhya is.

 

My 2 cents

 

Satish

--- Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote:

 

> There are many House systems followed by the

> Astrologers all around the world,

> the Indian system is of Sripati bhawa , KP followers

> follow Placidus house

> system

> with a few like me who had shifted to Topocentric ,

> the total No,s are 14 which

> are preferred including Sripati and null. Null means

> full sign full house

> advocated by many Vedic astrologers.

> Some are of the view that even Sripati is a western

> thought , because there was

> none but only mid point house system which was in

> Olden Indian days , I may be

> wrong because I am not refering to any book but I am

> writing on the basis of my

> memory.

> No astrologer can explain the practical viability of

> all the House System , it

> is at individual mind that how one look at the

> system and how he can adopt the

> best.

> The Rashi chart or Null house system is like a

> manifestation of Supreme Lord

> when looked upon through different signs, it is like

> a sum up of many forces

> acting united for a single sign. When we read

> through the degree, then we are

> reading through the different manifestation at a

> particular time of the supreme

> lord.

> The God manifest himself through three Gunas and

> through five elements. The

> Human births are due to Rajoguna , others are due to

> Tamoguna , Satoguna is for

> the Deva to take birth , so we are left with

> Rajoguna when getting life at a

> particular time fixed for every particular place.

> These are the houses which predominately shows the

> Gunas , as all the Kendra's

> are Rajo Guna , 2-5-8-11 are Tamoguna houses and

> 3-6-9-12 are Satoguna houses.

> The Rashis Chart and planetary degrees if are a

> manifestation of Supreme Lord

> projection at a given time then through ascendant

> degree and house system one

> tries to find out that what exactly has been

> gathered by an individual

> manifestation. The Bhava chart is like assessment of

> collection of forces from

> rashi chart which is like an ocean to a singular

> bucket which is Bhava Chart.The

> different type of House systems can be described as

> an effort by different

> thought for copy of the real universe.

> So for assessment of a particular individual it is

> Bhava chart/Bucket which will

> modify the results , but to the maxima and minma

> shown by the Rashi Chart as had

> been received by an individual in his Bhava .

> Bhava chart is not comparable with the Divisional

> Charts , Divisional charts are

> assessment of only Lagna degrees, which shows all

> the reasons that why one is

> born and other planets supporting these issues.

> But Bhava chart is a positional chart showing that

> how some forces had shifted

> or had focused at one house.

> Different astrologers using different system may

> speak about only what they had

> practiced throughout in their life, like I can write

> about KP, Vedic, Placidus

> Topocentric, sripati and Rashi chart etc. But it

> will be foolishness of those

> who write against or in favor to which they had not

> tested.

> The confusion of many astrologers including of KP

> are when two signs occupy same

> bhava , some start even combining planets in

> different signs like in the same

> sign when they shift to one house.

> I read somewhere a KP astrologer reading Moon 7th in

> rashi shifted to 6th in

> Cusp as it is making combination with the occupant

> of previous sign in the

> sixth.

> This is not correct.

> Let us treat Moon in 7th in Libra has shifted to 6th

> in cusp. The sign of Moon

> will remain as Libra , the person with Moon in Libra

> in 7th is affected by the

> Rajoguna of Air element , means touch , sensual

> pleasures, but with Libra

> shifting to sixth is a flavor of Satoguna , the

> desire to sensual pleasures

> flavored with know-how of Service ; the 6th house

> will take over to moon , it

> will not provide sensual pleasures , but will give

> service or will cause such

> other effects in its Dasha periods.

> Imagine now another position Jupiter in lagna in his

> own sign say Sagittarius

> shifting to 12th house. Difficult to grasp for a

> Vedic to cause loss of health.

> Most KP astrologers will also read such a Jupiter

> causing health loss only..

> Such Jupiter will protect the asc through source of

> 12th house only ; that is

> one should be cautious to routine and system then

> only he will remain healthy,

> or this will provide health through local herbs ,

> for an Indian through Yoga and

> through Vedic medicines and for a western through

> his own local system.

> The Astrology of Rashi and Divisions is only 40% in

> Astrology , to add another

> 40% you will have to master Bhava system. Rest 20%

> is on your intuitive

> faculties and meditation.So without Bhava chart you

> are left with 40% astrology

> and 60% intuitions.

> With Best Wishes,

> Er. Inder Jit Sahni,

> House No.1351-HIG,Model Town ,Phase-1,

> Bhatinda-1510001,Phone 0164 2211360;09855224360

> hanskpvedic

>

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Dear Satishji,

 

Previously I used to see the Lagna Chart only. And in

most of the cases the results were not coming as they were

supposed to. Anyway I still carried on searching Why ?

Then in my own horoscope I had absolutely detrimental and

contrarian results to what the normal astrologers I

met ,suggested (And I must have showed my Chart to

at least 20 supposed to be good astrologers- who had common

results forthcoming). I remembered then that I had met a old

Gujarati astrologer with tattered clothes (A poor man),who took

very much less money as fees offered lovingly, who had already

predicted that the Yogkaraka Planet in my case supposed to bring

in Rajyoga would not give good results, and he told me this 3 years

before the Maha Dasha of that planet. I told him that Sir this

planet is in the Lagna, how can you say this, he said you look at the

Bhava Chalit (He was not a KP astrologer, but a Vedic one, and did

not know about KP and all, and neither I knew much about it so

we were not at all discussing about Nakshatras or house divisions),

this planet goes here and that planet goes there, so this planet will

give this house results and that planet will give that house results.

 

But I did not believe him and left with a bad taste in my mouth, and

also a dirty evil thought, that this fellow does not know much

about astrology, that is why he is in tattered clothes.

We always like to hear what we want to hear, and good things about

ourself, and when these are not said, most of the times we blame the

astrologer,if he says otherwise. But I

tell you when that Rajyogkarakas planets MahaDasha arrived, the

results came in exactly as he had predicted. And then my journey in

Bhava Chalit begun. After that I have done studies in this system

and got astounding results.

 

Just penning my thoughts freely.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Sahni ji,

>

> Good points. I viewed bhava kundali and rashi kundali

> in similar fashion. What house system one uses ( equal

> house, placidus, etc.) is stil an unresolved issue. I

> have used bhava kundali for chart from lagna ( equal

> house mostly) and rashi kundali is like chandra lagna

> kundali, one does not change the rashi position of

> planets in this chart.

>

> Like in your example guru may be in sign in ascendent

> but can move to 12th bhava. Guru in lagna may give a

> native more stout( fat) body type but if the same guru

> moves to 12th bhava this is not observed.

>

> As per Chadrashekarjis question, I use bhava lord as

> the lord of the sign of where the bhava madhya is.

>

> My 2 cents

>

> Satish

> --- Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni

> wrote:

>

> > There are many House systems followed by the

> > Astrologers all around the world,

> > the Indian system is of Sripati bhawa , KP followers

> > follow Placidus house

> > system

> > with a few like me who had shifted to Topocentric ,

> > the total No,s are 14 which

> > are preferred including Sripati and null. Null means

> > full sign full house

> > advocated by many Vedic astrologers.

> > Some are of the view that even Sripati is a western

> > thought , because there was

> > none but only mid point house system which was in

> > Olden Indian days , I may be

> > wrong because I am not refering to any book but I am

> > writing on the basis of my

> > memory.

> > No astrologer can explain the practical viability of

> > all the House System , it

> > is at individual mind that how one look at the

> > system and how he can adopt the

> > best.

> > The Rashi chart or Null house system is like a

> > manifestation of Supreme Lord

> > when looked upon through different signs, it is like

> > a sum up of many forces

> > acting united for a single sign. When we read

> > through the degree, then we are

> > reading through the different manifestation at a

> > particular time of the supreme

> > lord.

> > The God manifest himself through three Gunas and

> > through five elements. The

> > Human births are due to Rajoguna , others are due to

> > Tamoguna , Satoguna is for

> > the Deva to take birth , so we are left with

> > Rajoguna when getting life at a

> > particular time fixed for every particular place.

> > These are the houses which predominately shows the

> > Gunas , as all the Kendra's

> > are Rajo Guna , 2-5-8-11 are Tamoguna houses and

> > 3-6-9-12 are Satoguna houses.

> > The Rashis Chart and planetary degrees if are a

> > manifestation of Supreme Lord

> > projection at a given time then through ascendant

> > degree and house system one

> > tries to find out that what exactly has been

> > gathered by an individual

> > manifestation. The Bhava chart is like assessment of

> > collection of forces from

> > rashi chart which is like an ocean to a singular

> > bucket which is Bhava Chart.The

> > different type of House systems can be described as

> > an effort by different

> > thought for copy of the real universe.

> > So for assessment of a particular individual it is

> > Bhava chart/Bucket which will

> > modify the results , but to the maxima and minma

> > shown by the Rashi Chart as had

> > been received by an individual in his Bhava .

> > Bhava chart is not comparable with the Divisional

> > Charts , Divisional charts are

> > assessment of only Lagna degrees, which shows all

> > the reasons that why one is

> > born and other planets supporting these issues.

> > But Bhava chart is a positional chart showing that

> > how some forces had shifted

> > or had focused at one house.

> > Different astrologers using different system may

> > speak about only what they had

> > practiced throughout in their life, like I can write

> > about KP, Vedic, Placidus

> > Topocentric, sripati and Rashi chart etc. But it

> > will be foolishness of those

> > who write against or in favor to which they had not

> > tested.

> > The confusion of many astrologers including of KP

> > are when two signs occupy same

> > bhava , some start even combining planets in

> > different signs like in the same

> > sign when they shift to one house.

> > I read somewhere a KP astrologer reading Moon 7th in

> > rashi shifted to 6th in

> > Cusp as it is making combination with the occupant

> > of previous sign in the

> > sixth.

> > This is not correct.

> > Let us treat Moon in 7th in Libra has shifted to 6th

> > in cusp. The sign of Moon

> > will remain as Libra , the person with Moon in Libra

> > in 7th is affected by the

> > Rajoguna of Air element , means touch , sensual

> > pleasures, but with Libra

> > shifting to sixth is a flavor of Satoguna , the

> > desire to sensual pleasures

> > flavored with know-how of Service ; the 6th house

> > will take over to moon , it

> > will not provide sensual pleasures , but will give

> > service or will cause such

> > other effects in its Dasha periods.

> > Imagine now another position Jupiter in lagna in his

> > own sign say Sagittarius

> > shifting to 12th house. Difficult to grasp for a

> > Vedic to cause loss of health.

> > Most KP astrologers will also read such a Jupiter

> > causing health loss only..

> > Such Jupiter will protect the asc through source of

> > 12th house only ; that is

> > one should be cautious to routine and system then

> > only he will remain healthy,

> > or this will provide health through local herbs ,

> > for an Indian through Yoga and

> > through Vedic medicines and for a western through

> > his own local system.

> > The Astrology of Rashi and Divisions is only 40% in

> > Astrology , to add another

> > 40% you will have to master Bhava system. Rest 20%

> > is on your intuitive

> > faculties and meditation.So without Bhava chart you

> > are left with 40% astrology

> > and 60% intuitions.

> > With Best Wishes,

> > Er. Inder Jit Sahni,

> > House No.1351-HIG,Model Town ,Phase-1,

> > Bhatinda-1510001,Phone 0164 2211360;09855224360

> > hanskpvedic

> >

> >

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Bhaskar

Thursday, November 30, 2006 11:46 PM

Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts

 

 

Dear Satishji,

 

Previously I used to see the Lagna Chart only. And in

most of the cases the results were not coming as they were

supposed to. Anyway I still carried on searching Why ?

Then in my own horoscope I had absolutely detrimental and

contrarian results to what the normal astrologers I

met ,suggested (And I must have showed my Chart to

at least 20 supposed to be good astrologers- who had common

results forthcoming). I remembered then that I had met a old

Gujarati astrologer with tattered clothes (A poor man),who took

very much less money as fees offered lovingly, who had already

predicted that the Yogkaraka Planet in my case supposed to bring

in Rajyoga would not give good results, and he told me this 3 years

before the Maha Dasha of that planet. I told him that Sir this

planet is in the Lagna, how can you say this, he said you look at the

Bhava Chalit (He was not a KP astrologer, but a Vedic one, and did

not know about KP and all, and neither I knew much about it so

we were not at all discussing about Nakshatras or house divisions),

this planet goes here and that planet goes there, so this planet will

give this house results and that planet will give that house results.

 

But I did not believe him and left with a bad taste in my mouth, and

also a dirty evil thought, that this fellow does not know much

about astrology, that is why he is in tattered clothes.

We always like to hear what we want to hear, and good things about

ourself, and when these are not said, most of the times we blame the

astrologer,if he says otherwise. But I

tell you when that Rajyogkarakas planets MahaDasha arrived, the

results came in exactly as he had predicted. And then my journey in

Bhava Chalit begun. After that I have done studies in this system

and got astounding results.

 

Just penning my thoughts freely.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Sahni ji,

>

> Good points. I viewed bhava kundali and rashi kundali

> in similar fashion. What house system one uses ( equal

> house, placidus, etc.) is stil an unresolved issue. I

> have used bhava kundali for chart from lagna ( equal

> house mostly) and rashi kundali is like chandra lagna

> kundali, one does not change the rashi position of

> planets in this chart.

>

> Like in your example guru may be in sign in ascendent

> but can move to 12th bhava. Guru in lagna may give a

> native more stout( fat) body type but if the same guru

> moves to 12th bhava this is not observed.

>

> As per Chadrashekarjis question, I use bhava lord as

> the lord of the sign of where the bhava madhya is.

>

> My 2 cents

>

> Satish

> --- Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni

> wrote:

>

> > There are many House systems followed by the

> > Astrologers all around the world,

> > the Indian system is of Sripati bhawa , KP followers

> > follow Placidus house

> > system

> > with a few like me who had shifted to Topocentric ,

> > the total No,s are 14 which

> > are preferred including Sripati and null. Null means

> > full sign full house

> > advocated by many Vedic astrologers.

> > Some are of the view that even Sripati is a western

> > thought , because there was

> > none but only mid point house system which was in

> > Olden Indian days , I may be

> > wrong because I am not refering to any book but I am

> > writing on the basis of my

> > memory.

> > No astrologer can explain the practical viability of

> > all the House System , it

> > is at individual mind that how one look at the

> > system and how he can adopt the

> > best.

> > The Rashi chart or Null house system is like a

> > manifestation of Supreme Lord

> > when looked upon through different signs, it is like

> > a sum up of many forces

> > acting united for a single sign. When we read

> > through the degree, then we are

> > reading through the different manifestation at a

> > particular time of the supreme

> > lord.

> > The God manifest himself through three Gunas and

> > through five elements. The

> > Human births are due to Rajoguna , others are due to

> > Tamoguna , Satoguna is for

> > the Deva to take birth , so we are left with

> > Rajoguna when getting life at a

> > particular time fixed for every particular place.

> > These are the houses which predominately shows the

> > Gunas , as all the Kendra's

> > are Rajo Guna , 2-5-8-11 are Tamoguna houses and

> > 3-6-9-12 are Satoguna houses.

> > The Rashis Chart and planetary degrees if are a

> > manifestation of Supreme Lord

> > projection at a given time then through ascendant

> > degree and house system one

> > tries to find out that what exactly has been

> > gathered by an individual

> > manifestation. The Bhava chart is like assessment of

> > collection of forces from

> > rashi chart which is like an ocean to a singular

> > bucket which is Bhava Chart.The

> > different type of House systems can be described as

> > an effort by different

> > thought for copy of the real universe.

> > So for assessment of a particular individual it is

> > Bhava chart/Bucket which will

> > modify the results , but to the maxima and minma

> > shown by the Rashi Chart as had

> > been received by an individual in his Bhava .

> > Bhava chart is not comparable with the Divisional

> > Charts , Divisional charts are

> > assessment of only Lagna degrees, which shows all

> > the reasons that why one is

> > born and other planets supporting these issues.

> > But Bhava chart is a positional chart showing that

> > how some forces had shifted

> > or had focused at one house.

> > Different astrologers using different system may

> > speak about only what they had

> > practiced throughout in their life, like I can write

> > about KP, Vedic, Placidus

> > Topocentric, sripati and Rashi chart etc. But it

> > will be foolishness of those

> > who write against or in favor to which they had not

> > tested.

> > The confusion of many astrologers including of KP

> > are when two signs occupy same

> > bhava , some start even combining planets in

> > different signs like in the same

> > sign when they shift to one house.

> > I read somewhere a KP astrologer reading Moon 7th in

> > rashi shifted to 6th in

> > Cusp as it is making combination with the occupant

> > of previous sign in the

> > sixth.

> > This is not correct.

> > Let us treat Moon in 7th in Libra has shifted to 6th

> > in cusp. The sign of Moon

> > will remain as Libra , the person with Moon in Libra

> > in 7th is affected by the

> > Rajoguna of Air element , means touch , sensual

> > pleasures, but with Libra

> > shifting to sixth is a flavor of Satoguna , the

> > desire to sensual pleasures

> > flavored with know-how of Service ; the 6th house

> > will take over to moon , it

> > will not provide sensual pleasures , but will give

> > service or will cause such

> > other effects in its Dasha periods.

> > Imagine now another position Jupiter in lagna in his

> > own sign say Sagittarius

> > shifting to 12th house. Difficult to grasp for a

> > Vedic to cause loss of health.

> > Most KP astrologers will also read such a Jupiter

> > causing health loss only..

> > Such Jupiter will protect the asc through source of

> > 12th house only ; that is

> > one should be cautious to routine and system then

> > only he will remain healthy,

> > or this will provide health through local herbs ,

> > for an Indian through Yoga and

> > through Vedic medicines and for a western through

> > his own local system.

> > The Astrology of Rashi and Divisions is only 40% in

> > Astrology , to add another

> > 40% you will have to master Bhava system. Rest 20%

> > is on your intuitive

> > faculties and meditation.So without Bhava chart you

> > are left with 40% astrology

> > and 60% intuitions.

> > With Best Wishes,

> > Er. Inder Jit Sahni,

> > House No.1351-HIG,Model Town ,Phase-1,

> > Bhatinda-1510001,Phone 0164 2211360;09855224360

> > hanskpvedic

> >

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > http://in.messenger.

> >

>

>

>

>

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On 12/1/06, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

>

> What were Chandershekhar's questions?

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

 

Some of the ones he asked over the past few days were as follows:

 

1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my mail.

 

2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in Taurus and

Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being Aquarius. Do

you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all its glory?

 

3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava

Chalit, as you call it?

 

4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact fructify in

Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in majority of

cases.

 

5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the lagna is at the

beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition of rasis in

different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when it rises

at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will you give to

say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like could you give

me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

 

6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

 

Cheers,

Ramapriya

[Guest guest]

I believe You have replied those in the previous mail about

House division.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, "Inder Jit Sahni"

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> What were Chandershekhar's questions?

> Inder Jit Sahni

> -

> Bhaskar

>

> Thursday, November 30, 2006 11:46 PM

> Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts

>

>

> Dear Satishji,

>

> Previously I used to see the Lagna Chart only. And in

> most of the cases the results were not coming as they were

> supposed to. Anyway I still carried on searching Why ?

> Then in my own horoscope I had absolutely detrimental and

> contrarian results to what the normal astrologers I

> met ,suggested (And I must have showed my Chart to

> at least 20 supposed to be good astrologers- who had common

> results forthcoming). I remembered then that I had met a old

> Gujarati astrologer with tattered clothes (A poor man),who took

> very much less money as fees offered lovingly, who had already

> predicted that the Yogkaraka Planet in my case supposed to bring

> in Rajyoga would not give good results, and he told me this 3

years

> before the Maha Dasha of that planet. I told him that Sir this

> planet is in the Lagna, how can you say this, he said you look at

the

> Bhava Chalit (He was not a KP astrologer, but a Vedic one, and

did

> not know about KP and all, and neither I knew much about it so

> we were not at all discussing about Nakshatras or house

divisions),

> this planet goes here and that planet goes there, so this planet

will

> give this house results and that planet will give that house

results.

>

> But I did not believe him and left with a bad taste in my mouth,

and

> also a dirty evil thought, that this fellow does not know much

> about astrology, that is why he is in tattered clothes.

> We always like to hear what we want to hear, and good things

about

> ourself, and when these are not said, most of the times we blame

the

> astrologer,if he says otherwise. But I

> tell you when that Rajyogkarakas planets MahaDasha arrived, the

> results came in exactly as he had predicted. And then my journey

in

> Bhava Chalit begun. After that I have done studies in this system

> and got astounding results.

>

> Just penning my thoughts freely.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > Sahni ji,

> >

> > Good points. I viewed bhava kundali and rashi kundali

> > in similar fashion. What house system one uses ( equal

> > house, placidus, etc.) is stil an unresolved issue. I

> > have used bhava kundali for chart from lagna ( equal

> > house mostly) and rashi kundali is like chandra lagna

> > kundali, one does not change the rashi position of

> > planets in this chart.

> >

> > Like in your example guru may be in sign in ascendent

> > but can move to 12th bhava. Guru in lagna may give a

> > native more stout( fat) body type but if the same guru

> > moves to 12th bhava this is not observed.

> >

> > As per Chadrashekarjis question, I use bhava lord as

> > the lord of the sign of where the bhava madhya is.

> >

> > My 2 cents

> >

> > Satish

> > --- Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > There are many House systems followed by the

> > > Astrologers all around the world,

> > > the Indian system is of Sripati bhawa , KP followers

> > > follow Placidus house

> > > system

> > > with a few like me who had shifted to Topocentric ,

> > > the total No,s are 14 which

> > > are preferred including Sripati and null. Null means

> > > full sign full house

> > > advocated by many Vedic astrologers.

> > > Some are of the view that even Sripati is a western

> > > thought , because there was

> > > none but only mid point house system which was in

> > > Olden Indian days , I may be

> > > wrong because I am not refering to any book but I am

> > > writing on the basis of my

> > > memory.

> > > No astrologer can explain the practical viability of

> > > all the House System , it

> > > is at individual mind that how one look at the

> > > system and how he can adopt the

> > > best.

> > > The Rashi chart or Null house system is like a

> > > manifestation of Supreme Lord

> > > when looked upon through different signs, it is like

> > > a sum up of many forces

> > > acting united for a single sign. When we read

> > > through the degree, then we are

> > > reading through the different manifestation at a

> > > particular time of the supreme

> > > lord.

> > > The God manifest himself through three Gunas and

> > > through five elements. The

> > > Human births are due to Rajoguna , others are due to

> > > Tamoguna , Satoguna is for

> > > the Deva to take birth , so we are left with

> > > Rajoguna when getting life at a

> > > particular time fixed for every particular place.

> > > These are the houses which predominately shows the

> > > Gunas , as all the Kendra's

> > > are Rajo Guna , 2-5-8-11 are Tamoguna houses and

> > > 3-6-9-12 are Satoguna houses.

> > > The Rashis Chart and planetary degrees if are a

> > > manifestation of Supreme Lord

> > > projection at a given time then through ascendant

> > > degree and house system one

> > > tries to find out that what exactly has been

> > > gathered by an individual

> > > manifestation. The Bhava chart is like assessment of

> > > collection of forces from

> > > rashi chart which is like an ocean to a singular

> > > bucket which is Bhava Chart.The

> > > different type of House systems can be described as

> > > an effort by different

> > > thought for copy of the real universe.

> > > So for assessment of a particular individual it is

> > > Bhava chart/Bucket which will

> > > modify the results , but to the maxima and minma

> > > shown by the Rashi Chart as had

> > > been received by an individual in his Bhava .

> > > Bhava chart is not comparable with the Divisional

> > > Charts , Divisional charts are

> > > assessment of only Lagna degrees, which shows all

> > > the reasons that why one is

> > > born and other planets supporting these issues.

> > > But Bhava chart is a positional chart showing that

> > > how some forces had shifted

> > > or had focused at one house.

> > > Different astrologers using different system may

> > > speak about only what they had

> > > practiced throughout in their life, like I can write

> > > about KP, Vedic, Placidus

> > > Topocentric, sripati and Rashi chart etc. But it

> > > will be foolishness of those

> > > who write against or in favor to which they had not

> > > tested.

> > > The confusion of many astrologers including of KP

> > > are when two signs occupy same

> > > bhava , some start even combining planets in

> > > different signs like in the same

> > > sign when they shift to one house.

> > > I read somewhere a KP astrologer reading Moon 7th in

> > > rashi shifted to 6th in

> > > Cusp as it is making combination with the occupant

> > > of previous sign in the

> > > sixth.

> > > This is not correct.

> > > Let us treat Moon in 7th in Libra has shifted to 6th

> > > in cusp. The sign of Moon

> > > will remain as Libra , the person with Moon in Libra

> > > in 7th is affected by the

> > > Rajoguna of Air element , means touch , sensual

> > > pleasures, but with Libra

> > > shifting to sixth is a flavor of Satoguna , the

> > > desire to sensual pleasures

> > > flavored with know-how of Service ; the 6th house

> > > will take over to moon , it

> > > will not provide sensual pleasures , but will give

> > > service or will cause such

> > > other effects in its Dasha periods.

> > > Imagine now another position Jupiter in lagna in his

> > > own sign say Sagittarius

> > > shifting to 12th house. Difficult to grasp for a

> > > Vedic to cause loss of health.

> > > Most KP astrologers will also read such a Jupiter

> > > causing health loss only..

> > > Such Jupiter will protect the asc through source of

> > > 12th house only ; that is

> > > one should be cautious to routine and system then

> > > only he will remain healthy,

> > > or this will provide health through local herbs ,

> > > for an Indian through Yoga and

> > > through Vedic medicines and for a western through

> > > his own local system.

> > > The Astrology of Rashi and Divisions is only 40% in

> > > Astrology , to add another

> > > 40% you will have to master Bhava system. Rest 20%

> > > is on your intuitive

> > > faculties and meditation.So without Bhava chart you

> > > are left with 40% astrology

> > > and 60% intuitions.

> > > With Best Wishes,

> > > Er. Inder Jit Sahni,

> > > House No.1351-HIG,Model Town ,Phase-1,

> > > Bhatinda-1510001,Phone 0164 2211360;09855224360

> > > hanskpvedic

> > >

> > >

> > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > > http://in.messenger.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

All of them have been answered, maybe not to the satisfaction of

the Querent, but all the same. Anyone else may also try answering,

(This is a free Forum)

as apart from pointing out and preparing a database of queries.

given to various members, it will also do good if one attempts to

reply these, if one feels they are unanswered,provided the

ability is there in one, to do the same. If one is uncomfortable

because the Queries have not been answered properly, then this

may be viewed as lack of knowledge on the subject, to whom the

Query was put, and the person sitting outside the fence, watching

the proceedings, if has the ability, should come forward and

make himself comfortable by answering these. So that the

database does not get too lengthy and unmanegable to handle.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d

wrote:

>

> On 12/1/06, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni wrote:

> >

> > What were Chandershekhar's questions?

> > Inder Jit Sahni

> >

>

> Some of the ones he asked over the past few days were as follows:

>

> 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my mail.

>

> 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in

Taurus and

> Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being

Aquarius. Do

> you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all its

glory?

>

> 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent on

Bhava

> Chalit, as you call it?

>

> 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

fructify in

> Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

majority of

> cases.

>

> 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the lagna

is at the

> beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition of

rasis in

> different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when

it rises

> at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will

you give to

> say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like could

you give

> me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

>

> 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

>

> Cheers,

> Ramapriya

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rampriya,

1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my mail.

They can be in Division charts only.

 

2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in Taurus and

Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being Aquarius. Do

you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all its glory?

In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If you will apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100 variation on this simple Rashi placement.

 

3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava

Chalit, as you call it?

Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in it , apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic?

Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are from the application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any classic if it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it be of any.

 

 

4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact fructify in

Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in majority of

cases.

Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail.

 

5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the lagna is at the

beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition of rasis in

different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when it rises

at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will you give to

say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like could you give

me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars if it rises at 1 degree or 30 degree.

There are 14 types to which you want the explanation.

 

6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

Only that which is with you.

 

Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava systems, then put your questions.

 

With Best Wishes,

Inder Jit sahni

[Guest guest]

Dear Inderjitji,

 

Though these were queries put to me in most part, yet you have

replied all of them so wonderfully, I could not have given a reply

even to quarter of what You have done. My replies would have been

same had I done this, but did not know how to do it. Got confused

sort of to put in proper perspective..I am really happy to be in

this group of smart astrologers.

 

Thanks again,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, "Inder Jit Sahni"

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Rampriya,

> 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my mail.

> They can be in Division charts only.

>

> 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in

Taurus and

> Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being

Aquarius. Do

> you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all its

glory?

> In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If you

will apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100

variation on this simple Rashi placement.

>

> 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent on

Bhava

> Chalit, as you call it?

> Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in it ,

apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic?

> Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are from

the application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any

classic if it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let

it be of any.

>

>

> 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

fructify in

> Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

majority of

> cases.

> Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail.

>

> 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the lagna

is at the

> beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition of

rasis in

> different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when

it rises

> at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will

you give to

> say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like could

you give

> me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

> It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars if it

rises at 1 degree or 30 degree.

> There are 14 types to which you want the explanation.

>

> 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> Only that which is with you.

>

> Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava

systems, then put your questions.

>

> With Best Wishes,

> Inder Jit sahni

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

To Inderjit and listmembers

 

i fail to understand how kendras are rajo guna, and apoklimas are

satva guna. Infact 3 and 6 houses are the pinnacle of tamo guna. The

first house and especially the fourth house is satwa at its best.

please clarify

 

dun

 

 

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Inderjitji,

>

> Though these were queries put to me in most part, yet you have

> replied all of them so wonderfully, I could not have given a reply

> even to quarter of what You have done. My replies would have been

> same had I done this, but did not know how to do it. Got confused

> sort of to put in proper perspective..I am really happy to be in

> this group of smart astrologers.

>

> Thanks again,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , "Inder Jit Sahni"

> <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rampriya,

> > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my mail.

> > They can be in Division charts only.

> >

> > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in

> Taurus and

> > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being

> Aquarius. Do

> > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all its

> glory?

> > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If you

> will apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100

> variation on this simple Rashi placement.

> >

> > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent on

> Bhava

> > Chalit, as you call it?

> > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in it ,

> apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic?

> > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are from

> the application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any

> classic if it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let

> it be of any.

> >

> >

> > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> fructify in

> > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

> majority of

> > cases.

> > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail.

> >

> > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the lagna

> is at the

> > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition of

> rasis in

> > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when

> it rises

> > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will

> you give to

> > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like could

> you give

> > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

> > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars if it

> rises at 1 degree or 30 degree.

> > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation.

> >

> > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> > Only that which is with you.

> >

> > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava

> systems, then put your questions.

> >

> > With Best Wishes,

> > Inder Jit sahni

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Dunno,

 

I dont know about Kendras and the Apoklimas what Guna they represent

with reference to what.

But in the Natural horoscope,1,4,7,10 ie. Aries, Cancer,Libra and

Capricorn represent Tamo Guna.

2,5,8,11 Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Acquarius represent Rajas Guna.

3,6,9 and 12 Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces represent Satwa

Guna.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, "dunnowhy21" <dunnowhy21

wrote:

>

> To Inderjit and listmembers

>

> i fail to understand how kendras are rajo guna, and apoklimas are

> satva guna. Infact 3 and 6 houses are the pinnacle of tamo guna. The

> first house and especially the fourth house is satwa at its best.

> please clarify

>

> dun

>

>

> , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Inderjitji,

> >

> > Though these were queries put to me in most part, yet you have

> > replied all of them so wonderfully, I could not have given a

reply

> > even to quarter of what You have done. My replies would have been

> > same had I done this, but did not know how to do it. Got confused

> > sort of to put in proper perspective..I am really happy to be in

> > this group of smart astrologers.

> >

> > Thanks again,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Inder Jit Sahni"

> > <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rampriya,

> > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my

mail.

> > > They can be in Division charts only.

> > >

> > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in

> > Taurus and

> > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being

> > Aquarius. Do

> > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all

its

> > glory?

> > > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If

you

> > will apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100

> > variation on this simple Rashi placement.

> > >

> > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent

on

> > Bhava

> > > Chalit, as you call it?

> > > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in

it ,

> > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic?

> > > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are

from

> > the application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any

> > classic if it does not pass the test of application in your life.

Let

> > it be of any.

> > >

> > >

> > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> > fructify in

> > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

> > majority of

> > > cases.

> > > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail.

> > >

> > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the

lagna

> > is at the

> > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your

definition of

> > rasis in

> > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and

when

> > it rises

> > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship

will

> > you give to

> > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like

could

> > you give

> > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

> > > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars

if it

> > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree.

> > > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation.

> > >

> > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> > > Only that which is with you.

> > >

> > > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava

> > systems, then put your questions.

> > >

> > > With Best Wishes,

> > > Inder Jit sahni

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar/Inderjeet,

 

My primary query is about allotment of bhava lordships in Bhava chalit

and defining the bhavas in terms of degrees in rasis. I asked 1 degree

of Aries as Bhava madhya and 30 degrees of Aries as Bhava madhya to

serve as example. I do not think that query , as also some of the

others, was ever replied by anybody. But since that discussion is over,

may be we can give all that a rest.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

Bhaskar wrote:

>

>

> All of them have been answered, maybe not to the satisfaction of

> the Querent, but all the same. Anyone else may also try answering,

> (This is a free Forum)

> as apart from pointing out and preparing a database of queries.

> given to various members, it will also do good if one attempts to

> reply these, if one feels they are unanswered,provided the

> ability is there in one, to do the same. If one is uncomfortable

> because the Queries have not been answered properly, then this

> may be viewed as lack of knowledge on the subject, to whom the

> Query was put, and the person sitting outside the fence, watching

> the proceedings, if has the ability, should come forward and

> make himself comfortable by answering these. So that the

> database does not get too lengthy and unmanegable to handle.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> <%40>, "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d

> wrote:

> >

> > On 12/1/06, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni wrote:

> > >

> > > What were Chandershekhar's questions?

> > > Inder Jit Sahni

> > >

> >

> > Some of the ones he asked over the past few days were as follows:

> >

> > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my mail.

> >

> > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in

> Taurus and

> > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being

> Aquarius. Do

> > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all its

> glory?

> >

> > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent on

> Bhava

> > Chalit, as you call it?

> >

> > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> fructify in

> > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

> majority of

> > cases.

> >

> > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the lagna

> is at the

> > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition of

> rasis in

> > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when

> it rises

> > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will

> you give to

> > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like could

> you give

> > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

> >

> > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> >

> > Cheers,

> > Ramapriya

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Inderjeet,

 

It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. He did

not I did.

 

The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They were asked

in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So cryptic

answers do not serve any purpose.

 

About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever Bhava chalit

system you are using, if at all you want to take this further.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

Inder Jit Sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Rampriya,

> 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my mail.

> They can be in Division charts only.

>

> 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in Taurus and

> Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being

> Aquarius. Do

> you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all its glory?

> In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If you will

> apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100 variation on

> this simple Rashi placement.

>

> 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava

> Chalit, as you call it?

> Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in it ,

> apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic?

> Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are from the

> application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any classic if

> it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it be of any.

>

> 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> fructify in

> Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in majority of

> cases.

> Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail.

>

> 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the lagna is

> at the

> beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition of

> rasis in

> different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when it

> rises

> at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will you

> give to

> say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like could

> you give

> me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

> It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars if it

> rises at 1 degree or 30 degree.

> There are 14 types to which you want the explanation.

>

> 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> Only that which is with you.

>

> Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava

> systems, then put your questions.

>

> With Best Wishes,

> Inder Jit sahni

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrasekharji,

 

Sir where is this being allowed to rest ? Or understood ?

According to the House division system one adopts, even

if the Bhava Madhya 1 degree of Aries, or 30 degrees of Aries is

taken as beginning of the Cusp , say in case of Placiddus (Which I

suppose you mean to ask about)., in both cases, the lord of both

these Bhavas would be Mars.

But if it is 30 Degrees of Aries then would not it turn or be

defined as Taurus 0 Degrees ? As soon as the clock turns 12 midnight

its the start of another day (Date),in the same way once 29 Degrees

and 60 minutes is covered its not known as 30 degrees but 0 Degrees

of next Sign. Correct me if I am wrong.

Most, nay all queries have been replied, it is just the perception

levels. As suggested by Inderjitji, its better to read some basics on

Bhava by one before attempting to put a query. As the Bhava Madhya

for instance in this case would relate to different types of house

divisons. Or would it not ? Which one is referred to in this query ?

 

If members can reply, we should certainly demand the answers,

theres no space for misplaced modesty. But the Query should

be perfect and not confusing.

 

Best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar/Inderjeet,

>

> My primary query is about allotment of bhava lordships in Bhava

chalit

> and defining the bhavas in terms of degrees in rasis. I asked 1

degree

> of Aries as Bhava madhya and 30 degrees of Aries as Bhava madhya

to

> serve as example. I do not think that query , as also some of the

> others, was ever replied by anybody. But since that discussion is

over,

> may be we can give all that a rest.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> >

> > All of them have been answered, maybe not to the satisfaction of

> > the Querent, but all the same. Anyone else may also try answering,

> > (This is a free Forum)

> > as apart from pointing out and preparing a database of queries.

> > given to various members, it will also do good if one attempts to

> > reply these, if one feels they are unanswered,provided the

> > ability is there in one, to do the same. If one is uncomfortable

> > because the Queries have not been answered properly, then this

> > may be viewed as lack of knowledge on the subject, to whom the

> > Query was put, and the person sitting outside the fence, watching

> > the proceedings, if has the ability, should come forward and

> > make himself comfortable by answering these. So that the

> > database does not get too lengthy and unmanegable to handle.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > <%40>, "D Ramapriya"

<ramapriya.d@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > On 12/1/06, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > What were Chandershekhar's questions?

> > > > Inder Jit Sahni

> > > >

> > >

> > > Some of the ones he asked over the past few days were as

follows:

> > >

> > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my

mail.

> > >

> > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in

> > Taurus and

> > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being

> > Aquarius. Do

> > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all

its

> > glory?

> > >

> > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent

on

> > Bhava

> > > Chalit, as you call it?

> > >

> > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> > fructify in

> > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

> > majority of

> > > cases.

> > >

> > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the

lagna

> > is at the

> > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your

definition of

> > rasis in

> > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and

when

> > it rises

> > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will

> > you give to

> > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like

could

> > you give

> > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

> > >

> > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > > Ramapriya

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Shri Chandrasekharji,

 

My last mail to You where I mentioned about your goodness,

I would not like to review or change it.

Its better to change

the mode of Questioning from a challenging one to a learning

one .Inderjit has answered very well. Theres no second

opinion about it.

Theres no harm or coming down from any level, if we accept

our knowledge in certain sectors as minimal. None of

us is expected to know all the systems perfectly and be

masters in all.

In some cases we may take role of advisory to others,

while in others its better to adopt a students.

This is a proper mix.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Inderjeet,

>

> It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. He

did

> not I did.

>

> The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They were

asked

> in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So

cryptic

> answers do not serve any purpose.

>

> About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever Bhava

chalit

> system you are using, if at all you want to take this further.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Inder Jit Sahni wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rampriya,

> > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my

mail.

> > They can be in Division charts only.

> >

> > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in

Taurus and

> > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being

> > Aquarius. Do

> > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all

its glory?

> > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If you

will

> > apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100

variation on

> > this simple Rashi placement.

> >

> > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent

on Bhava

> > Chalit, as you call it?

> > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in

it ,

> > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic?

> > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are from

the

> > application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any

classic if

> > it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it be

of any.

> >

> > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> > fructify in

> > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

majority of

> > cases.

> > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail.

> >

> > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the

lagna is

> > at the

> > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition

of

> > rasis in

> > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and

when it

> > rises

> > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will

you

> > give to

> > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like

could

> > you give

> > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

> > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars if

it

> > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree.

> > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation.

> >

> > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> > Only that which is with you.

> >

> > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava

> > systems, then put your questions.

> >

> > With Best Wishes,

> > Inder Jit sahni

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Shri Chandrasekharji,

 

I believe all the Members who are active here, are aware to whom the

Queries were put. As I mentioned on a couple of times, if the Query

is put in the right manner it is understood and one can enjoy

replying to it. But if the query is in itself confusing then

one does not have the push to answer it.

If I ask you will Ketu placed after the atmakarak give me

Moksha ? This may be confusing but less confusing then what

was put up .

But if I ask the same question as Does the Karakamsha in the

Navamsha if has Ketu in the 12th from it, produce kaivalya ?

Then this would sound more of a right query.

 

Things can be taken further to near perfection. But if by

doing so, they create problems between members of a family,

its better to not take them further and leave them on the

way,for each to percieve on his own.

 

Best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Inderjeet,

>

> It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. He

did

> not I did.

>

> The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They were

asked

> in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So

cryptic

> answers do not serve any purpose.

>

> About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever Bhava

chalit

> system you are using, if at all you want to take this further.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Inder Jit Sahni wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rampriya,

> > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my

mail.

> > They can be in Division charts only.

> >

> > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in

Taurus and

> > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being

> > Aquarius. Do

> > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all

its glory?

> > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If you

will

> > apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100

variation on

> > this simple Rashi placement.

> >

> > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent

on Bhava

> > Chalit, as you call it?

> > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in

it ,

> > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic?

> > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are from

the

> > application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any

classic if

> > it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it be

of any.

> >

> > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> > fructify in

> > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

majority of

> > cases.

> > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail.

> >

> > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the

lagna is

> > at the

> > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition

of

> > rasis in

> > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and

when it

> > rises

> > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will

you

> > give to

> > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like

could

> > you give

> > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

> > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars if

it

> > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree.

> > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation.

> >

> > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> > Only that which is with you.

> >

> > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava

> > systems, then put your questions.

> >

> > With Best Wishes,

> > Inder Jit sahni

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,

I did not want to continue and did not post till Inderjeet posted some

answer under an impression that Ramapriya had asked those questions. I

only wanted to set the record straight.

 

I for one never found the boundaries of bhavas being defined and from

that point onwards my query about bhava lordship becomes applicable. If

you could point to the mail that defined boundaries of a bhava in the

two instances, then I shall stand corrected.I never said to define the

bhavas of bhava chalit by one or other of the numerous systems that are

in vogue.

 

Anyway, if you insist that all the queries have been replied. Then so be

it. From my side the topic is closed. My mail to Inderjeet was only to

set record straight.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

Bhaskar wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrasekharji,

>

> Sir where is this being allowed to rest ? Or understood ?

> According to the House division system one adopts, even

> if the Bhava Madhya 1 degree of Aries, or 30 degrees of Aries is

> taken as beginning of the Cusp , say in case of Placiddus (Which I

> suppose you mean to ask about)., in both cases, the lord of both

> these Bhavas would be Mars.

> But if it is 30 Degrees of Aries then would not it turn or be

> defined as Taurus 0 Degrees ? As soon as the clock turns 12 midnight

> its the start of another day (Date),in the same way once 29 Degrees

> and 60 minutes is covered its not known as 30 degrees but 0 Degrees

> of next Sign. Correct me if I am wrong.

> Most, nay all queries have been replied, it is just the perception

> levels. As suggested by Inderjitji, its better to read some basics on

> Bhava by one before attempting to put a query. As the Bhava Madhya

> for instance in this case would relate to different types of house

> divisons. Or would it not ? Which one is referred to in this query ?

>

> If members can reply, we should certainly demand the answers,

> theres no space for misplaced modesty. But the Query should

> be perfect and not confusing.

>

> Best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar/Inderjeet,

> >

> > My primary query is about allotment of bhava lordships in Bhava

> chalit

> > and defining the bhavas in terms of degrees in rasis. I asked 1

> degree

> > of Aries as Bhava madhya and 30 degrees of Aries as Bhava madhya

> to

> > serve as example. I do not think that query , as also some of the

> > others, was ever replied by anybody. But since that discussion is

> over,

> > may be we can give all that a rest.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > All of them have been answered, maybe not to the satisfaction of

> > > the Querent, but all the same. Anyone else may also try answering,

> > > (This is a free Forum)

> > > as apart from pointing out and preparing a database of queries.

> > > given to various members, it will also do good if one attempts to

> > > reply these, if one feels they are unanswered,provided the

> > > ability is there in one, to do the same. If one is uncomfortable

> > > because the Queries have not been answered properly, then this

> > > may be viewed as lack of knowledge on the subject, to whom the

> > > Query was put, and the person sitting outside the fence, watching

> > > the proceedings, if has the ability, should come forward and

> > > make himself comfortable by answering these. So that the

> > > database does not get too lengthy and unmanegable to handle.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, "D Ramapriya"

> <ramapriya.d@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > On 12/1/06, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > What were Chandershekhar's questions?

> > > > > Inder Jit Sahni

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Some of the ones he asked over the past few days were as

> follows:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my

> mail.

> > > >

> > > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in

> > > Taurus and

> > > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being

> > > Aquarius. Do

> > > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all

> its

> > > glory?

> > > >

> > > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent

> on

> > > Bhava

> > > > Chalit, as you call it?

> > > >

> > > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> > > fructify in

> > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

> > > majority of

> > > > cases.

> > > >

> > > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the

> lagna

> > > is at the

> > > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your

> definition of

> > > rasis in

> > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and

> when

> > > it rises

> > > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will

> > > you give to

> > > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like

> could

> > > you give

> > > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

> > > >

> > > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> > > >

> > > > Cheers,

> > > > Ramapriya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,

 

I do not see where in my mails you see a challenge. I only set the

records straight about the queries being mine and not Ramapriya's. I

also did say that the question has not been answered and I would like to

be pointed out the mail that defined the boundaries of bhavas in both

the cases. That will lead to the answer to the next question about bhava

lord ships. If I have missed the mail in which the answer was given by

you or Inderjeet, I shall stand corrected.

 

By the way, I have never projected myself as being one or the other so

you are free to review or change your opinion of me at any time.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

Bhaskar wrote:

>

> Shri Chandrasekharji,

>

> My last mail to You where I mentioned about your goodness,

> I would not like to review or change it.

> Its better to change

> the mode of Questioning from a challenging one to a learning

> one .Inderjit has answered very well. Theres no second

> opinion about it.

> Theres no harm or coming down from any level, if we accept

> our knowledge in certain sectors as minimal. None of

> us is expected to know all the systems perfectly and be

> masters in all.

> In some cases we may take role of advisory to others,

> while in others its better to adopt a students.

> This is a proper mix.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Inderjeet,

> >

> > It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. He

> did

> > not I did.

> >

> > The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They were

> asked

> > in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So

> cryptic

> > answers do not serve any purpose.

> >

> > About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever Bhava

> chalit

> > system you are using, if at all you want to take this further.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Inder Jit Sahni wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rampriya,

> > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my

> mail.

> > > They can be in Division charts only.

> > >

> > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in

> Taurus and

> > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being

> > > Aquarius. Do

> > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all

> its glory?

> > > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If you

> will

> > > apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100

> variation on

> > > this simple Rashi placement.

> > >

> > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent

> on Bhava

> > > Chalit, as you call it?

> > > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in

> it ,

> > > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic?

> > > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are from

> the

> > > application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any

> classic if

> > > it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it be

> of any.

> > >

> > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> > > fructify in

> > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

> majority of

> > > cases.

> > > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail.

> > >

> > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the

> lagna is

> > > at the

> > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition

> of

> > > rasis in

> > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and

> when it

> > > rises

> > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will

> you

> > > give to

> > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like

> could

> > > you give

> > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

> > > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars if

> it

> > > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree.

> > > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation.

> > >

> > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> > > Only that which is with you.

> > >

> > > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava

> > > systems, then put your questions.

> > >

> > > With Best Wishes,

> > > Inder Jit sahni

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Shri Chandrasekharji,

 

I will never reply to any communication of Yours if you again

address me as "Bhaskarji" . I live on my own ethics.

My concepts are very clear as to behaviour norms.

And do not care for the Modern ways of ettiquettes.

Am actually orthodox at least 2 generations away if you

believe me, with regards to the norms of behaviours between

elders and juniors. That is another story that the blood

rushes up at times and makes folly in communications .

But I am sure,You in your wiseness would allow that once

in a while, just as I would allow teenagers,their rashness

considering their age as long as it is not utmost

bordering on utter disrespect. I am definitely modern in

one way that my older generations were not.I for one allow

my grown up teenage daughter and son to correct me and

reprimand me whenever I am wrong,

and give them space to present their views and opinions

whether I second them or not, is a seperate matter.

I also enjoy whenever my daughter scolds me if I am

wrong by behaviour or wrong type of talking.Who will admonish

us if not our own ? We do not advise people walking on the

road, do we ? Its for our own good. We realise then our

mistakes and correct them.

 

You are elder to me by age as well as experinced in knowledge

in many segments and sectors of astrology, of which I am just not

even a basic learner. So I respect you by age, experience and

knowledge ,on all platforms. And would always like to be under

your affectionate gaze.

 

Hope you would always address me as Bhaskar.

 

Yours sincerely,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

> I did not want to continue and did not post till Inderjeet posted

some

> answer under an impression that Ramapriya had asked those

questions. I

> only wanted to set the record straight.

>

> I for one never found the boundaries of bhavas being defined and

from

> that point onwards my query about bhava lordship becomes

applicable. If

> you could point to the mail that defined boundaries of a bhava in

the

> two instances, then I shall stand corrected.I never said to define

the

> bhavas of bhava chalit by one or other of the numerous systems that

are

> in vogue.

>

> Anyway, if you insist that all the queries have been replied. Then

so be

> it. From my side the topic is closed. My mail to Inderjeet was only

to

> set record straight.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> >

> > Sir where is this being allowed to rest ? Or understood ?

> > According to the House division system one adopts, even

> > if the Bhava Madhya 1 degree of Aries, or 30 degrees of Aries is

> > taken as beginning of the Cusp , say in case of Placiddus (Which I

> > suppose you mean to ask about)., in both cases, the lord of both

> > these Bhavas would be Mars.

> > But if it is 30 Degrees of Aries then would not it turn or be

> > defined as Taurus 0 Degrees ? As soon as the clock turns 12

midnight

> > its the start of another day (Date),in the same way once 29

Degrees

> > and 60 minutes is covered its not known as 30 degrees but 0

Degrees

> > of next Sign. Correct me if I am wrong.

> > Most, nay all queries have been replied, it is just the perception

> > levels. As suggested by Inderjitji, its better to read some

basics on

> > Bhava by one before attempting to put a query. As the Bhava Madhya

> > for instance in this case would relate to different types of house

> > divisons. Or would it not ? Which one is referred to in this

query ?

> >

> > If members can reply, we should certainly demand the answers,

> > theres no space for misplaced modesty. But the Query should

> > be perfect and not confusing.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar/Inderjeet,

> > >

> > > My primary query is about allotment of bhava lordships in Bhava

> > chalit

> > > and defining the bhavas in terms of degrees in rasis. I asked 1

> > degree

> > > of Aries as Bhava madhya and 30 degrees of Aries as Bhava madhya

> > to

> > > serve as example. I do not think that query , as also some of

the

> > > others, was ever replied by anybody. But since that discussion

is

> > over,

> > > may be we can give all that a rest.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > All of them have been answered, maybe not to the satisfaction

of

> > > > the Querent, but all the same. Anyone else may also try

answering,

> > > > (This is a free Forum)

> > > > as apart from pointing out and preparing a database of

queries.

> > > > given to various members, it will also do good if one

attempts to

> > > > reply these, if one feels they are unanswered,provided the

> > > > ability is there in one, to do the same. If one is

uncomfortable

> > > > because the Queries have not been answered properly, then this

> > > > may be viewed as lack of knowledge on the subject, to whom the

> > > > Query was put, and the person sitting outside the fence,

watching

> > > > the proceedings, if has the ability, should come forward and

> > > > make himself comfortable by answering these. So that the

> > > > database does not get too lengthy and unmanegable to handle.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, "D Ramapriya"

> > <ramapriya.d@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > On 12/1/06, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What were Chandershekhar's questions?

> > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Some of the ones he asked over the past few days were as

> > follows:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check

my

> > mail.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury

in

> > > > Taurus and

> > > > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna

being

> > > > Aquarius. Do

> > > > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in

all

> > its

> > > > glory?

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes

eloquent

> > on

> > > > Bhava

> > > > > Chalit, as you call it?

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in

fact

> > > > fructify in

> > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation

in

> > > > majority of

> > > > > cases.

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the

> > lagna

> > > > is at the

> > > > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your

> > definition of

> > > > rasis in

> > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries

and

> > when

> > > > it rises

> > > > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship

will

> > > > you give to

> > > > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you

like

> > could

> > > > you give

> > > > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each

rasi?

> > > > >

> > > > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers,

> > > > > Ramapriya

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandershekhar Ji,

Which bhava system you had used in your life, I will discuss that.

With Best wishes,

Inder jit sahni

-

Chandrashekhar

Friday, December 01, 2006 11:55 PM

Re: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts

 

 

Dear Inderjeet,

 

It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. He did

not I did.

 

The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They were asked

in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So cryptic

answers do not serve any purpose.

 

About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever Bhava chalit

system you are using, if at all you want to take this further.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

Inder Jit Sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Rampriya,

> 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my mail.

> They can be in Division charts only.

>

> 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in Taurus and

> Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being

> Aquarius. Do

> you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all its glory?

> In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If you will

> apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100 variation on

> this simple Rashi placement.

>

> 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava

> Chalit, as you call it?

> Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in it ,

> apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic?

> Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are from the

> application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any classic if

> it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it be of any.

>

> 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> fructify in

> Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in majority of

> cases.

> Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail.

>

> 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the lagna is

> at the

> beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition of

> rasis in

> different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when it

> rises

> at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will you

> give to

> say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like could

> you give

> me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

> It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars if it

> rises at 1 degree or 30 degree.

> There are 14 types to which you want the explanation.

>

> 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> Only that which is with you.

>

> Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava

> systems, then put your questions.

>

> With Best Wishes,

> Inder Jit sahni

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can assume most Indian traditional astrologers using Sripati method for Bhava Calculations taking the rising point in the east as mid of 1st Bhava . This too involves more than one sign when calculating other houses near Poles.

For looking at the Rashi Charts strength the most astrologers in North India adopt mid house system , and I assume that this is the most authentic to look at the seeds in a horoscope.

But when we are to shift to KP then the cusp point comes under great scrutiny a minute difference will change the sub sub lord and will change the characteristics of twins born with few seconds difference.The Vedic have to argue against this the Nadi Points but will never come for a practical viability to fix the nadi of an individual. Also nadi too is not comparable with Cusp charts but is comparable with Divisional Charts only. The Cusp points are to speak about individual house and are taken as the beginning of a house in KP and now are time tested and any arguments against these stands no value. Placidus and Topocentric are both western given house system , but Placidus loose its viability near poles like sripaty whereas Topocentric does not , being the fittest model of the house system giving minute variation of sub sub lord and can be used with much accuracy than other house system.

The house lord in Sripati is mid point where as in Placidus or Topo it is begining point as such the lords may remain same in Sripati,Placidus or Topo , but the beginning and ending points vary.

Now if KP talks about exactness then Vedic speaks about assessment , thus the difference between the way of reading of both the variations.

I remember a palmist when looking at my hand only without my date of birth and time told me , your moon is in Taurus in 9th in sign is actually in 8th house in Bhava. And it was amazing My lagna at 21 degree Virgo and my moon in 3rd Pada of Karitka star , just see it was much before the Vedic 9th house mid and in 8th cusp of KP cusp chart.

I met yet another village astrologer , who will read such planet as" iske ansha aathwe mein jaa rahe hein (The degrees of this planet are going to 8th, )not good for education , but for astrology".

In KP the star is considered exactly in the 8th , but in a thoughtful Vedic way I evaluate such planet in free will area of an individual , for a left over work , which he is yet to complete in this birth. But a planet in exact Cups near the cusp points are ready to deliver , the things are complete, no freewill ,will work.

My postings are Academic , I had written those things which I would have given to only my children. These are basics and if you can grasp these which are posted in my three mails , you can well understand many things behind Jamini and others with a concrete faith , that there are no difference only our grasping power is poor.

With Best Wishes,

Inder Jit Sahni

-

Inder Jit Sahni

Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:53 AM

Re: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts

 

 

Dear Chandershekhar Ji,

Which bhava system you had used in your life, I will discuss that.

With Best wishes,

Inder jit sahni

-

Chandrashekhar

Friday, December 01, 2006 11:55 PM

Re: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts

 

Dear Inderjeet,

 

It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. He did

not I did.

 

The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They were asked

in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So cryptic

answers do not serve any purpose.

 

About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever Bhava chalit

system you are using, if at all you want to take this further.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

Inder Jit Sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Rampriya,

> 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my mail.

> They can be in Division charts only.

>

> 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in Taurus and

> Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being

> Aquarius. Do

> you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all its glory?

> In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If you will

> apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100 variation on

> this simple Rashi placement.

>

> 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava

> Chalit, as you call it?

> Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in it ,

> apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic?

> Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are from the

> application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any classic if

> it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it be of any.

>

> 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> fructify in

> Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in majority of

> cases.

> Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail.

>

> 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the lagna is

> at the

> beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition of

> rasis in

> different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when it

> rises

> at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will you

> give to

> say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like could

> you give

> me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

> It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars if it

> rises at 1 degree or 30 degree.

> There are 14 types to which you want the explanation.

>

> 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> Only that which is with you.

>

> Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava

> systems, then put your questions.

>

> With Best Wishes,

> Inder Jit sahni

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,

 

I think it is better if we do not demand how a query is to be framed

when asked to an expert, as long as it is within the boundaries of

decency. defining a precise way in which an astrological query is framed

would be tantamount to censorship.

 

I have already said why I replied to Inderjeet, to keep record straight.

I hope nobody has any objection in that regard.

Chandrashekhar.

 

Bhaskar wrote:

>

> Shri Chandrasekharji,

>

> I believe all the Members who are active here, are aware to whom the

> Queries were put. As I mentioned on a couple of times, if the Query

> is put in the right manner it is understood and one can enjoy

> replying to it. But if the query is in itself confusing then

> one does not have the push to answer it.

> If I ask you will Ketu placed after the atmakarak give me

> Moksha ? This may be confusing but less confusing then what

> was put up .

> But if I ask the same question as Does the Karakamsha in the

> Navamsha if has Ketu in the 12th from it, produce kaivalya ?

> Then this would sound more of a right query.

>

> Things can be taken further to near perfection. But if by

> doing so, they create problems between members of a family,

> its better to not take them further and leave them on the

> way,for each to percieve on his own.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Inderjeet,

> >

> > It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. He

> did

> > not I did.

> >

> > The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They were

> asked

> > in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So

> cryptic

> > answers do not serve any purpose.

> >

> > About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever Bhava

> chalit

> > system you are using, if at all you want to take this further.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Inder Jit Sahni wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rampriya,

> > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my

> mail.

> > > They can be in Division charts only.

> > >

> > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in

> Taurus and

> > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being

> > > Aquarius. Do

> > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all

> its glory?

> > > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If you

> will

> > > apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100

> variation on

> > > this simple Rashi placement.

> > >

> > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent

> on Bhava

> > > Chalit, as you call it?

> > > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in

> it ,

> > > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic?

> > > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are from

> the

> > > application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any

> classic if

> > > it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it be

> of any.

> > >

> > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> > > fructify in

> > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

> majority of

> > > cases.

> > > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail.

> > >

> > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the

> lagna is

> > > at the

> > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition

> of

> > > rasis in

> > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and

> when it

> > > rises

> > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will

> you

> > > give to

> > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like

> could

> > > you give

> > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

> > > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars if

> it

> > > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree.

> > > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation.

> > >

> > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> > > Only that which is with you.

> > >

> > > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava

> > > systems, then put your questions.

> > >

> > > With Best Wishes,

> > > Inder Jit sahni

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar,

I read this mail after I wrote another to you. So please do not

misunderstand. I shall not address you as Bhaskarji again as desired.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Bhaskar wrote:

>

> Shri Chandrasekharji,

>

> I will never reply to any communication of Yours if you again

> address me as "Bhaskarji" . I live on my own ethics.

> My concepts are very clear as to behaviour norms.

> And do not care for the Modern ways of ettiquettes.

> Am actually orthodox at least 2 generations away if you

> believe me, with regards to the norms of behaviours between

> elders and juniors. That is another story that the blood

> rushes up at times and makes folly in communications .

> But I am sure,You in your wiseness would allow that once

> in a while, just as I would allow teenagers,their rashness

> considering their age as long as it is not utmost

> bordering on utter disrespect. I am definitely modern in

> one way that my older generations were not.I for one allow

> my grown up teenage daughter and son to correct me and

> reprimand me whenever I am wrong,

> and give them space to present their views and opinions

> whether I second them or not, is a seperate matter.

> I also enjoy whenever my daughter scolds me if I am

> wrong by behaviour or wrong type of talking.Who will admonish

> us if not our own ? We do not advise people walking on the

> road, do we ? Its for our own good. We realise then our

> mistakes and correct them.

>

> You are elder to me by age as well as experinced in knowledge

> in many segments and sectors of astrology, of which I am just not

> even a basic learner. So I respect you by age, experience and

> knowledge ,on all platforms. And would always like to be under

> your affectionate gaze.

>

> Hope you would always address me as Bhaskar.

>

> Yours sincerely,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji,

> > I did not want to continue and did not post till Inderjeet posted

> some

> > answer under an impression that Ramapriya had asked those

> questions. I

> > only wanted to set the record straight.

> >

> > I for one never found the boundaries of bhavas being defined and

> from

> > that point onwards my query about bhava lordship becomes

> applicable. If

> > you could point to the mail that defined boundaries of a bhava in

> the

> > two instances, then I shall stand corrected.I never said to define

> the

> > bhavas of bhava chalit by one or other of the numerous systems that

> are

> > in vogue.

> >

> > Anyway, if you insist that all the queries have been replied. Then

> so be

> > it. From my side the topic is closed. My mail to Inderjeet was only

> to

> > set record straight.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > >

> > > Sir where is this being allowed to rest ? Or understood ?

> > > According to the House division system one adopts, even

> > > if the Bhava Madhya 1 degree of Aries, or 30 degrees of Aries is

> > > taken as beginning of the Cusp , say in case of Placiddus (Which I

> > > suppose you mean to ask about)., in both cases, the lord of both

> > > these Bhavas would be Mars.

> > > But if it is 30 Degrees of Aries then would not it turn or be

> > > defined as Taurus 0 Degrees ? As soon as the clock turns 12

> midnight

> > > its the start of another day (Date),in the same way once 29

> Degrees

> > > and 60 minutes is covered its not known as 30 degrees but 0

> Degrees

> > > of next Sign. Correct me if I am wrong.

> > > Most, nay all queries have been replied, it is just the perception

> > > levels. As suggested by Inderjitji, its better to read some

> basics on

> > > Bhava by one before attempting to put a query. As the Bhava Madhya

> > > for instance in this case would relate to different types of house

> > > divisons. Or would it not ? Which one is referred to in this

> query ?

> > >

> > > If members can reply, we should certainly demand the answers,

> > > theres no space for misplaced modesty. But the Query should

> > > be perfect and not confusing.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar/Inderjeet,

> > > >

> > > > My primary query is about allotment of bhava lordships in Bhava

> > > chalit

> > > > and defining the bhavas in terms of degrees in rasis. I asked 1

> > > degree

> > > > of Aries as Bhava madhya and 30 degrees of Aries as Bhava madhya

> > > to

> > > > serve as example. I do not think that query , as also some of

> the

> > > > others, was ever replied by anybody. But since that discussion

> is

> > > over,

> > > > may be we can give all that a rest.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > All of them have been answered, maybe not to the satisfaction

> of

> > > > > the Querent, but all the same. Anyone else may also try

> answering,

> > > > > (This is a free Forum)

> > > > > as apart from pointing out and preparing a database of

> queries.

> > > > > given to various members, it will also do good if one

> attempts to

> > > > > reply these, if one feels they are unanswered,provided the

> > > > > ability is there in one, to do the same. If one is

> uncomfortable

> > > > > because the Queries have not been answered properly, then this

> > > > > may be viewed as lack of knowledge on the subject, to whom the

> > > > > Query was put, and the person sitting outside the fence,

> watching

> > > > > the proceedings, if has the ability, should come forward and

> > > > > make himself comfortable by answering these. So that the

> > > > > database does not get too lengthy and unmanegable to handle.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "D Ramapriya"

> > > <ramapriya.d@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 12/1/06, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What were Chandershekhar's questions?

> > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Some of the ones he asked over the past few days were as

> > > follows:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check

> my

> > > mail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury

> in

> > > > > Taurus and

> > > > > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna

> being

> > > > > Aquarius. Do

> > > > > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in

> all

> > > its

> > > > > glory?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes

> eloquent

> > > on

> > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > Chalit, as you call it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in

> fact

> > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation

> in

> > > > > majority of

> > > > > > cases.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the

> > > lagna

> > > > > is at the

> > > > > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your

> > > definition of

> > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries

> and

> > > when

> > > > > it rises

> > > > > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship

> will

> > > > > you give to

> > > > > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you

> like

> > > could

> > > > > you give

> > > > > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each

> rasi?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers,

> > > > > > Ramapriya

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Inderjeet,

I prefer you explain the one you use. I would be interested in the

boundaries of bhavas in degrees and rasis for early like 1 degree and

late degrees like 29 degrees for any lagna rising and allotment of bhava

lordships.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Inder Jit Sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Chandershekhar Ji,

> Which bhava system you had used in your life, I will discuss that.

> With Best wishes,

> Inder jit sahni

> -

> Chandrashekhar

> <%40>

> Friday, December 01, 2006 11:55 PM

> Re: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts

>

> Dear Inderjeet,

>

> It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. He did

> not I did.

>

> The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They were asked

> in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So cryptic

> answers do not serve any purpose.

>

> About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever Bhava chalit

> system you are using, if at all you want to take this further.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Inder Jit Sahni wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rampriya,

> > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my mail.

> > They can be in Division charts only.

> >

> > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in

> Taurus and

> > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being

> > Aquarius. Do

> > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all its

> glory?

> > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If you will

> > apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100 variation on

> > this simple Rashi placement.

> >

> > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava

> > Chalit, as you call it?

> > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in it ,

> > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic?

> > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are from the

> > application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any classic if

> > it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it be of any.

> >

> > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> > fructify in

> > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

> majority of

> > cases.

> > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail.

> >

> > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the lagna is

> > at the

> > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition of

> > rasis in

> > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when it

> > rises

> > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will you

> > give to

> > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like could

> > you give

> > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi?

> > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars if it

> > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree.

> > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation.

> >

> > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes?

> > Only that which is with you.

> >

> > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava

> > systems, then put your questions.

> >

> > With Best Wishes,

> > Inder Jit sahni

> >

> >