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Does Jupiter aspect Mercury, then? There has to be a connection between the

2nd and 8th lords, I'm certain...

 

Ramapriya

 

 

On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

>

> Dear Rampriyaji,

>

> My 2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in the 11th in Gemini along

> with the Ascendant Lord which is the Sun.

> Are you trying to figure any losses due to speech or why

> the speech is at times rude or whether the 2nd lord is not

> in a right position to be in. If that is the case then there

> are other reasons for the same.

>

> Best wishes,

> Bhaskar

>

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Dear Bhaskar Ji

 

When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th) then do they fructify ?

 

Best Wishes

 

Jagdish

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Jagdishji,

 

Hello.

After a long time. Nice to see You active.

I never knew You were on this Forum.

Well You may call me millionare,or a billionare

too by inheritance, but nothing in hands.

Otherwise living a middle class comfortable life.

But if You remember me well then You know I am

a king with a Kingdom and without one too.

Does not matter.

 

Take care,

Bhaskar.

 

, Prathamesn Chawan

<upaoakcrest wrote:

>

> Dear Rampriya Ji

>

> When 2nd lord is in 8th then person does not talk much.

>

> Dear Bhaskar Ji, you must be a millionare ?

>

> Best Wishes

>

> jagdish

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote: Dear Rampriyaji,

>

> My 2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in the 11th in Gemini along

> with the Ascendant Lord which is the Sun.

> Are you trying to figure any losses due to speech or why

> the speech is at times rude or whether the 2nd lord is not

> in a right position to be in. If that is the case then there

> are other reasons for the same.

>

> Best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > Is your 2nd lord in the 8th bhava in your chart, by any chance?

> >

> > Ramapriya

> >

> >

> > On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji,

> > >

> > > I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate

> > > member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know

> > > that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of

> > > all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri

> > > Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will

> > > find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but

> > > my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my

> > > respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean

> > > that we show disrespect. But a point.

> > >

> > > And you should have watched the intent and not the content

> > > when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am sure

> > > it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to

> > > give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the

> > > benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to read the

> > > same in books available in the market or on websites, instead

> > > of You spending time on this Basic stuff.

> > >

> > > No human in the world knows all-total about astrology.

> > > I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able to

crush

> me in

> > > many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it imply ?

> > > Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite

universal

> that

> > > you know part of something and I know part of something, but

none

> of

> > > us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-gulla

> > > about it.

> > >

> > > I request the members to watch the exchanges only as healthy

> > > astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to

> > > astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange becomes

> > > personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you as

> responsible

> > > members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting fires

and

> > > hurling brick bats only at one party without contributing or

> > > understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to

> > > sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and

crtiticse

> > > the players on the field playing cricket for India, but

actually

> > > when one plays then he knows wjats going on.

> > >

> > > For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and if you

also

> > > notice that is why all my mails have been detailed trying to

> explain

> > > certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does not take

more

> > > than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person try to

> write

> > > long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know how to

be

> > > diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions. When

they

> talk

> > > they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the heart.

> > > Please include me in this category of unpolished, primitive and

> > > undiplomatic lot.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > <%

> 40>,

> > > mahaluxmi iyer

> > > <astromahaluxmi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > it pained me a lot too.

> > > > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in age but

> > > knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these

> discussions.

> > > having read much of the shastras in original samskrit, has also

> > > willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members on

this

> > > group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing any

> > > negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast

knowledge. i

> > > think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as is

evident

> > > from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare

indeed

> to

> > > find men of substance who keep their cool despite the vast

> knowledge

> > > they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish and

> deals

> > > with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of groups,

> > > schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and not

the

> > > student or querist's background.

> > > >

> > > > he certainly deserves respect from us all.

> > > > mahalakshmi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji:

> > > >

> > > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to

teach

> > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am

> already

> > > > into teaching College students."

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has

contributed

> > > much

> > > > to this group and to many in this group individually. While

I

> am not

> > > > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else, I

would

> > > request

> > > > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone else.

> > > >

> > > > We do not meet most members of this forum in person, that

should

> > > make

> > > > us doubly kind towards various contributors.

> > > >

> > > > My 2cents.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Shankar

> > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrasekharji said-

> > > > > //

> > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who

did

> not

> > > have

> > > > > the

> > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the

> > > question

> > > > > asked

> > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please

allow

> me

> > > to

> > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that

part

> of

> > > the

> > > > > question.//

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not have

the

> > > luxury

> > > > > of calculators, because every astrologer should know how

to

> cast a

> > > > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House

> division,

> > > > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the

> Degrees

> > > > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know

how

> > > > > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC

> calculation

> > > > > of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning

of

> > > > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of

the

> > > > > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in

the

> > > > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a

> > > > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a

> mathematical

> > > > > Query.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to

teach

> > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am

> already

> > > > > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of

> time,

> > > > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i

really

> > > feel

> > > > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially

> > > > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at

all.

> > > > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the

> > > > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up

> > > > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the

> > > > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats

wherefrom

> > > > > I learnt 20 years back.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked

about

> Lagna

> > > > > being in

> > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

definition

> of

> > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree

Aries

> and

> > > when

> > > > > it

> > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what

lord

> > > ship

> > > > > will

> > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even

> simpler,

> > > if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees

of

> each

> > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > each rasi?//

> > > > >

> > > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put

a

> > > small

> > > > > example to make your question logical to understand.But if

you

> > > > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > > > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the

> Lord of

> > > > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two

Bhavas

> > > fall in

> > > > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for both

the

> > > signs.

> > > > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each

> Bhava

> > > in

> > > > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and

> whether You

> > > > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or

> whatever.

> > > > >

> > > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the

benefit

> of

> > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask

yourself

> as

> > > > > according

> > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit

> chart.

> > > > > > //

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit

in a

> > > small

> > > > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a

Chart.

> Why

> > > are

> > > > > the software companies since last 30 years existence in

India,

> > > have

> > > > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed

chart ?

> > > They

> > > > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a

hand

> > > and

> > > > > talk about general

> > > > > character of a person, in the same way only

generalisations

> can

> > > be

> > > > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which

will

> > > > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the

> Chalit

> > > > > Chart, no doubt about it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I

request

> all

> > > > > those indulging in this to please do their homework and

have

> their

> > > > > basics right before putting up questions.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -- In <%

> 40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who

did

> not

> > > have

> > > > > the

> > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the

> > > question

> > > > > asked

> > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please

allow

> me

> > > to

> > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that

part

> of

> > > the

> > > > > question.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about

> Lagna

> > > being

> > > > > in

> > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

definition

> of

> > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree

Aries

> and

> > > when

> > > > > it

> > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what

lord

> > > ship

> > > > > will

> > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even

> simpler,

> > > if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees

of

> each

> > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > each rasi?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the

benefit of

> > > Bhava

> > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask

yourself

> as

> > > > > according

> > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit

> chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should

know,

> but

> > > > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of

the

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they

do

> not

> > > know

> > > > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even

30

> > > years

> > > > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent

lot do

> > > not

> > > > > know,

> > > > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to

go

> to a

> > > good

> > > > > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified

> teacher.

> > > > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered

recently

> few

> > > weeks

> > > > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew

> about

> > > it of

> > > > > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually

without

> the

> > > use of

> > > > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of

lordships

> > > > > assigned

> > > > > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi

means ? -

> ---

> > > > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or

> > > Placidus,

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose

does

> not

> > > > > matter,

> > > > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I

> would

> > > like

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as

> > > possible, as

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic

> > > astrology,

> > > > > > > having

> > > > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your

> point of

> > > > > view.

> > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen,

you

> > > should

> > > > > > > stick to

> > > > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted

> when

> > > the

> > > > > > > lagna is

> > > > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts

would

> be

> > > highly

> > > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a

person

> of

> > > my

> > > > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer

is a

> > > place

> > > > > where

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among,

> > > especially

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may

not

> > > find

> > > > > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya

> > > > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the

> World,

> > > and

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > > > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to

listen

> and

> > > > > review,

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach

> > > > > suggested. So

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava

Chalit

> and

> > > then

> > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to

understanbd

> many

> > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a

> categorical

> > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well

known. I

> > > have

> > > > > not yet

> > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age

to to

> > > find

> > > > > out if

> > > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised,

> even

> > > when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to

> > > comment.

> > > > > I was

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by

Your

> > > > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a

general

> > > comment

> > > > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit

term,

> cause

> > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude

language.

> This

> > > is

> > > > > > > neither

> > > > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used

to

> > > make the

> > > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and

depth of

> > > what is

> > > > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army

> generals,

> > > I

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the

> absence

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see

> hundreds

> > > of

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and

> family

> > > > > members,

> > > > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but

> actually not

> > > > > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in

> > > Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired

> results

> > > in

> > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for

why a

> > > > > incident

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it

has

> not

> > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for

> reasons

> > > > > logically,

> > > > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is

the

> key

> > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha

Yogas in

> > > todays

> > > > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to

see

> > > whether

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain

> department

> > > or

> > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a

> > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > not,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by

> > > calling him

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in

> > > plenty in

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art

of

> > > > > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga

> > > fructify.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know

> about

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer

in

> a

> > > small

> > > > > > > town too

> > > > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen

to

> > > know

> > > > > and ask

> > > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict

> > > perfectly

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the

> required

> > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading

from

> the

> > > natal

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right

way.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to

> person,

> > > and

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching

> > > matters. We

> > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

<%

> 40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you

mentioned

> > > did in

> > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they

did

> in

> > > > > isolation

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is

> something

> > > new

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I

> assume

> > > it

> > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on

> that.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read

more

> > > than 2

> > > > > or 3

> > > > > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even

> > > > > calculators

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you

> quote

> > > any

> > > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava

Chalit,

> as

> > > you

> > > > > call

> > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by

> rishis.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must

have

> seen

> > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify

and

> make

> > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS

to do

> > > with

> > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as

the

> > > Khokha

> > > > > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes

from

> > > > > outside,

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes.

> Otherwise

> > > how

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in

> millions of

> > > > > peoples

> > > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be

made

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not

> know,

> > > for

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3

books or

> > > > > visiting

> > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava

Chalit

> > > (Cuspal

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the

> simple

> > > > > reason

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean

combinations if

> > > you

> > > > > quote

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned

> become

> > > > > secondary

> > > > > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real

sense of

> > > the

> > > > > term,

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not

> > > understand .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so

many

> > > > > planets to

> > > > > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of

> Chandradi

> > > Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this

> case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly

means

> > > > > > > combinations in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit

> chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on

the

> road

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha

Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a

astrologer

> > > should

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned

in

> my

> > > mail

> > > > > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether

it

> > > mantains

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava

> Chalit

> > > > > then it

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this

> > > strongly

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the

discussion

> on

> > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava

chalit,

> which

> > > is

> > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to

do

> with

> > > the

> > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive

yogas

> and

> > > an

> > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the

> > > possible

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also

try

> to

> > > find

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give

> positive

> > > or

> > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying

Scorpio

> and

> > > > > Venus in

> > > > > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun

> also

> > > in,

> > > > > say,

> > > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results

of

> > > > > Chandraadhi

> > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal

> experience,

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which

> > > appear to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results

shown,

> cause

> > > > > when we

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one

> planet

> > > may

> > > > > go

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and

> other

> > > may

> > > > > go in

> > > > > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas

weak

> in

> > > > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji

and

> > > others

> > > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written

in

> > > general

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was

there

> so

> > > my

> > > > > mail

> > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do

not

> > > think

> > > > > so.

> > > > > > > Please

> > > > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in

> Mutual

> > > > > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be

only 28

> > > > > degrees if

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is

pretty

> > > common

> > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance

> should

> > > be

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k

> > > <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%

> 40>>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when

surya

> and

> > > budh

> > > > > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-

> > > adhithya"

> > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion

> > > occurs

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya

from

> > > behind at

> > > > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust

> > > in "retograde"

> > > > > > > motion

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse

the

> > > surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart

in

> which

> > > the

> > > > > > > distance

> > > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I

> presume

> > > here,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable

to

> > > perform.

> > > > > In

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i

missing

> some

> > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the

> > > budhaditya

> > > > > yoga in

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And

do

> let

> > > me

> > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion,

> budhaditya

> > > is

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

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[Guest guest]

No Sir,

 

No aspect of Jupiter on Mercury in any way.

There is no planet in 8th too.

Please say what You think should be the results as You see

in my case, then maybe we can search for the why ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

-- In , "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d

 

wrote:

>

> Does Jupiter aspect Mercury, then? There has to be a connection

between the

> 2nd and 8th lords, I'm certain...

>

> Ramapriya

>

>

> On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rampriyaji,

> >

> > My 2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in the 11th in Gemini along

> > with the Ascendant Lord which is the Sun.

> > Are you trying to figure any losses due to speech or why

> > the speech is at times rude or whether the 2nd lord is not

> > in a right position to be in. If that is the case then there

> > are other reasons for the same.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Bhaskar

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagdishji,

 

Oh yes they should certainly fructify.

We have Vipareeta Raj Yoga and neech Bhanga RajaYoga

too, to make this claim strong.

Apart from that 6th by itself figuring is also a very good

Bhava for Dhana, because its 12th to the partners,

which means money will come to us through business dealings,

partnerships, selling goods to consumers, from servcies given to

people etc. 6th, 8th and 12th apart fom being dreadful houses fo

the commonly known reasons, viz.disease,death and hospitalisation,

as per law of duality in Nature have their good effects too to give to

the native. 8th for example gives inheritance, gratuity, dowry and

Accident Insurance too among others. Of course for this

house , positives will be gained only after some tragedy or

unhappiness

as per the dictums of this house. The 12th Bhava is very important

for investments. We see the 12th for all types of investments

especially for setting up factories, or industry the 12th is a very

important Bhava. 5 and 8 is a good Dhana Yoga, 6 and 8 is

a good Dhana Yoga, 2,6 and 12 is again a Good Yoga for

wealth coming in after investing etc. You can form your own

combinations. And of course you must be knowing the already mentioned

Yogas in the classics, when the Lords of Dusthanas sit in another

Dusthana

its a Raj Yoga. But again when the Planet in power, which makes the

Yoga,

comes as dasha Lord in the life of the native, only then would he get

the

fruits of these Dhana Yogas.

 

Have You joined my Forum as yet ?

/

 

At times I feel I should stop writing in any Forum due to my blunt

nature

 

and free style of writing from the heart I tend to be misunderstood.

In this Forum Chandrasekharji whom I do not know and neither have

any sort of grudge has unnecessary come in my line of fire, without

any fault of his neither mines. Actually when I talk strongly on

Astrology

pointersI tend to get carried away and cannot accept anything which

should be

supposed to be understood without being having to said or explained.

But at the time of writing we forget to stand in the other persons

shoes ,

for a moment which is my fault. I hope not to hurt anyone for

some time now.

 

Best Wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

Dear Bhaskar Ji

>

> When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th) then do

they fructify ?

>

> Best Wishes

>

> Jagdish

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Prathamesn Chawan

<upaoakcrest wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar Ji

>

> When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th) then do

they fructify ?

>

> Best Wishes

>

> Jagdish

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote: Dear Jagdishji,

>

> Hello.

> After a long time. Nice to see You active.

> I never knew You were on this Forum.

> Well You may call me millionare,or a billionare

> too by inheritance, but nothing in hands.

> Otherwise living a middle class comfortable life.

> But if You remember me well then You know I am

> a king with a Kingdom and without one too.

> Does not matter.

>

> Take care,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> , Prathamesn Chawan

> <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rampriya Ji

> >

> > When 2nd lord is in 8th then person does not talk much.

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji, you must be a millionare ?

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > jagdish

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote: Dear Rampriyaji,

> >

> > My 2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in the 11th in Gemini along

> > with the Ascendant Lord which is the Sun.

> > Are you trying to figure any losses due to speech or why

> > the speech is at times rude or whether the 2nd lord is not

> > in a right position to be in. If that is the case then there

> > are other reasons for the same.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , "D Ramapriya"

<ramapriya.d@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > Is your 2nd lord in the 8th bhava in your chart, by any

chance?

> > >

> > > Ramapriya

> > >

> > >

> > > On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji,

> > > >

> > > > I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate

> > > > member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know

> > > > that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of

> > > > all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri

> > > > Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will

> > > > find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but

> > > > my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my

> > > > respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean

> > > > that we show disrespect. But a point.

> > > >

> > > > And you should have watched the intent and not the content

> > > > when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am sure

> > > > it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to

> > > > give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the

> > > > benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to read

the

> > > > same in books available in the market or on websites,

instead

> > > > of You spending time on this Basic stuff.

> > > >

> > > > No human in the world knows all-total about astrology.

> > > > I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able to

> crush

> > me in

> > > > many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it

imply ?

> > > > Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite

> universal

> > that

> > > > you know part of something and I know part of something,

but

> none

> > of

> > > > us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-

gulla

> > > > about it.

> > > >

> > > > I request the members to watch the exchanges only as healthy

> > > > astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to

> > > > astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange

becomes

> > > > personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you as

> > responsible

> > > > members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting

fires

> and

> > > > hurling brick bats only at one party without contributing or

> > > > understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to

> > > > sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and

> crtiticse

> > > > the players on the field playing cricket for India, but

> actually

> > > > when one plays then he knows wjats going on.

> > > >

> > > > For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and if

you

> also

> > > > notice that is why all my mails have been detailed trying

to

> > explain

> > > > certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does not

take

> more

> > > > than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person try

to

> > write

> > > > long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know how

to

> be

> > > > diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions. When

> they

> > talk

> > > > they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the heart.

> > > > Please include me in this category of unpolished, primitive

and

> > > > undiplomatic lot.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > mahaluxmi iyer

> > > > <astromahaluxmi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > it pained me a lot too.

> > > > > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in age

but

> > > > knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these

> > discussions.

> > > > having read much of the shastras in original samskrit, has

also

> > > > willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members on

> this

> > > > group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing

any

> > > > negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast

> knowledge. i

> > > > think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as is

> evident

> > > > from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare

> indeed

> > to

> > > > find men of substance who keep their cool despite the vast

> > knowledge

> > > > they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish

and

> > deals

> > > > with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of

groups,

> > > > schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and

not

> the

> > > > student or querist's background.

> > > > >

> > > > > he certainly deserves respect from us all.

> > > > > mahalakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji:

> > > > >

> > > > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to

> teach

> > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I

am

> > already

> > > > > into teaching College students."

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has

> contributed

> > > > much

> > > > > to this group and to many in this group individually.

While

> I

> > am not

> > > > > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else, I

> would

> > > > request

> > > > > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone else.

> > > > >

> > > > > We do not meet most members of this forum in person, that

> should

> > > > make

> > > > > us doubly kind towards various contributors.

> > > > >

> > > > > My 2cents.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Shankar

> > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrasekharji said-

> > > > > > //

> > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who

> did

> > not

> > > > have

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading

the

> > > > question

> > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please

> allow

> > me

> > > > to

> > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

that

> part

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > question.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not

have

> the

> > > > luxury

> > > > > > of calculators, because every astrologer should know

how

> to

> > cast a

> > > > > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House

> > division,

> > > > > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate

the

> > Degrees

> > > > > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should

know

> how

> > > > > > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC

> > calculation

> > > > > > of one difference is there.He should also know the

meaning

> of

> > > > > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware

of

> the

> > > > > > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts

in

> the

> > > > > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india.

If a

> > > > > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a

> > mathematical

> > > > > > Query.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able

to

> teach

> > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I

am

> > already

> > > > > > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage

of

> > time,

> > > > > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i

> really

> > > > feel

> > > > > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and

especially

> > > > > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question

at

> all.

> > > > > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting

the

> > > > > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick

up

> > > > > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the

> > > > > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats

> wherefrom

> > > > > > I learnt 20 years back.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked

> about

> > Lagna

> > > > > > being in

> > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> definition

> > of

> > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree

> Aries

> > and

> > > > when

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler

what

> lord

> > > > ship

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even

> > simpler,

> > > > if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

degrees

> of

> > each

> > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > each rasi?//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had

put

> a

> > > > small

> > > > > > example to make your question logical to understand.But

if

> you

> > > > > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > > > > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,,

the

> > Lord of

> > > > > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two

> Bhavas

> > > > fall in

> > > > > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for

both

> the

> > > > signs.

> > > > > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of

each

> > Bhava

> > > > in

> > > > > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and

> > whether You

> > > > > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system

or

> > whatever.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the

> benefit

> > of

> > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask

> yourself

> > as

> > > > > > according

> > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

chalit

> > chart.

> > > > > > > //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local

pandit

> in a

> > > > small

> > > > > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a

> Chart.

> > Why

> > > > are

> > > > > > the software companies since last 30 years existence in

> India,

> > > > have

> > > > > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed

> chart ?

> > > > They

> > > > > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see

a

> hand

> > > > and

> > > > > > talk about general

> > > > > > character of a person, in the same way only

> generalisations

> > can

> > > > be

> > > > > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which

> will

> > > > > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of

the

> > Chalit

> > > > > > Chart, no doubt about it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I

> request

> > all

> > > > > > those indulging in this to please do their homework and

> have

> > their

> > > > > > basics right before putting up questions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- In <%

> > 40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who

> did

> > not

> > > > have

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading

the

> > > > question

> > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please

> allow

> > me

> > > > to

> > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

that

> part

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > question.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked

about

> > Lagna

> > > > being

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> definition

> > of

> > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree

> Aries

> > and

> > > > when

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler

what

> lord

> > > > ship

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even

> > simpler,

> > > > if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

degrees

> of

> > each

> > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > each rasi?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the

> benefit of

> > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask

> yourself

> > as

> > > > > > according

> > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

chalit

> > chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should

> know,

> > but

> > > > > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most

of

> the

> > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when

they

> do

> > not

> > > > know

> > > > > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit

chart.Even

> 30

> > > > years

> > > > > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent

> lot do

> > > > not

> > > > > > know,

> > > > > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude

to

> go

> > to a

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified

> > teacher.

> > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered

> recently

> > few

> > > > weeks

> > > > > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages

knew

> > about

> > > > it of

> > > > > > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually

> without

> > the

> > > > use of

> > > > > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of

> lordships

> > > > > > assigned

> > > > > > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi

> means ? -

> > ---

> > > > > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati

or

> > > > Placidus,

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose

> does

> > not

> > > > > > matter,

> > > > > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji

I

> > would

> > > > like

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as

> > > > possible, as

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > see some potential in you which should not be

wasted.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic

> > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > > having

> > > > > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see

your

> > point of

> > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters

chosen,

> you

> > > > should

> > > > > > > > stick to

> > > > > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are

allotted

> > when

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > lagna is

> > > > > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts

> would

> > be

> > > > highly

> > > > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a

> person

> > of

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good

astrologer

> is a

> > > > place

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known

among,

> > > > especially

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you

may

> not

> > > > find

> > > > > > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya

> > > > > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in

the

> > World,

> > > > and

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > > > > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to

> listen

> > and

> > > > > > review,

> > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some

approach

> > > > > > suggested. So

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava

> Chalit

> > and

> > > > then

> > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to

> understanbd

> > many

> > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common

approach.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

<%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a

> > categorical

> > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well

> known. I

> > > > have

> > > > > > not yet

> > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this

age

> to to

> > > > find

> > > > > > out if

> > > > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results

promised,

> > even

> > > > when

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am

nobody to

> > > > comment.

> > > > > > I was

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood

by

> Your

> > > > > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a

> general

> > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit

> term,

> > cause

> > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude

> language.

> > This

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > neither

> > > > > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term

used

> to

> > > > make the

> > > > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and

> depth of

> > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army

> > generals,

> > > > I

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in

the

> > absence

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see

> > hundreds

> > > > of

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends

and

> > family

> > > > > > members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but

> > actually not

> > > > > > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in

> > > > Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving

desired

> > results

> > > > in

> > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation

for

> why a

> > > > > > incident

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it

> has

> > not

> > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for

> > reasons

> > > > > > logically,

> > > > > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit

is

> the

> > key

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha

> Yogas in

> > > > todays

> > > > > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements

to

> see

> > > > whether

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain

> > department

> > > > or

> > > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become

a

> > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > not,

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy

by

> > > > calling him

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be

found in

> > > > plenty in

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the

art

> of

> > > > > > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this

Yoga

> > > > fructify.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to

know

> > about

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good

astrologer

> in

> > a

> > > > small

> > > > > > > > town too

> > > > > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you

happen

> to

> > > > know

> > > > > > and ask

> > > > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict

> > > > perfectly

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the

> > required

> > > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading

> from

> > the

> > > > natal

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right

> way.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person

to

> > person,

> > > > and

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of

approaching

> > > > matters. We

> > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you

> mentioned

> > > > did in

> > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if

they

> did

> > in

> > > > > > isolation

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is

> > something

> > > > new

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit,

I

> > assume

> > > > it

> > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment

on

> > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have

read

> more

> > > > than 2

> > > > > > or 3

> > > > > > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as

even

> > > > > > calculators

> > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could

you

> > quote

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava

> Chalit,

> > as

> > > > you

> > > > > > call

> > > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by

> > rishis.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must

> have

> > seen

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts

fructify

> and

> > make

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does

HAS

> to do

> > > > with

> > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known

as

> the

> > > > Khokha

> > > > > > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso

mangoes

> from

> > > > > > outside,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes.

> > Otherwise

> > > > how

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in

> > millions of

> > > > > > peoples

> > > > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to

be

> made

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do

not

> > know,

> > > > for

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3

> books or

> > > > > > visiting

> > > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava

> Chalit

> > > > (Cuspal

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For

the

> > simple

> > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean

> combinations if

> > > > you

> > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are

positioned

> > become

> > > > > > secondary

> > > > > > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real

> sense of

> > > > the

> > > > > > term,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not

> > > > understand .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have

so

> many

> > > > > > planets to

> > > > > > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of

> > Chandradi

> > > > Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in

this

> > case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly

> means

> > > > > > > > combinations in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava

Chalit

> > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking

on

> the

> > road

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha

> Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a

> astrologer

> > > > should

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I

mentioned

> in

> > my

> > > > mail

> > > > > > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked

whether

> it

> > > > mantains

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the

Bhava

> > Chalit

> > > > > > then it

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming

this

> > > > strongly

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the

> discussion

> > on

> > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava

> chalit,

> > which

> > > > is

> > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has

to

> do

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive

> yogas

> > and

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at

the

> > > > possible

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must

also

> try

> > to

> > > > find

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give

> > positive

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying

> Scorpio

> > and

> > > > > > Venus in

> > > > > > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with

Sun

> > also

> > > > in,

> > > > > > say,

> > > > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the

results

> of

> > > > > > Chandraadhi

> > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal

> > experience,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas

which

> > > > appear to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results

> shown,

> > cause

> > > > > > when we

> > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart),

one

> > planet

> > > > may

> > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra

and

> > other

> > > > may

> > > > > > go in

> > > > > > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas

> weak

> > in

> > > > > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from

Chandrasekharji

> and

> > > > others

> > > > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was

written

> in

> > > > general

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was

> there

> > so

> > > > my

> > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I

do

> not

> > > > think

> > > > > > so.

> > > > > > > > Please

> > > > > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be

in

> > Mutual

> > > > > > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be

> only 28

> > > > > > degrees if

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is

> pretty

> > > > common

> > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the

distance

> > should

> > > > be

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20

degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k

> > > > <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%

> > 40>>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when

> surya

> > and

> > > > budh

> > > > > > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths,

forms "budha-

> > > > adhithya"

> > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that

combustion

> > > > occurs

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya

> from

> > > > behind at

> > > > > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust

> > > > in "retograde"

> > > > > > > > motion

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather

eclipse

> the

> > > > surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a

chart

> in

> > which

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > distance

> > > > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I

> > presume

> > > > here,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or

unable

> to

> > > > perform.

> > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i

> missing

> > some

> > > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the

> > > > budhaditya

> > > > > > yoga in

> > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion.

And

> do

> > let

> > > > me

> > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion,

> > budhaditya

> > > > is

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than

half

> the

> > > > world's

> > > > > > > > > > population

> > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

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[Guest guest]

bhaskar ji

i am sorry if i have hurt you but thats how i felt. in my last post i had not addressed you as ji and this time i have rectified that mistake also.

mahalakshmi

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji,

 

I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate

member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know

that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of

all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri

Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will

find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but

my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my

respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean

that we show disrespect. But a point.

 

And you should have watched the intent and not the content

when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am sure

it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to

give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the

benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to read the

same in books available in the market or on websites, instead

of You spending time on this Basic stuff.

 

No human in the world knows all-total about astrology.

I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able to crush me in

many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it imply ?

Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite universal that

you know part of something and I know part of something, but none of

us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-gulla

about it.

 

I request the members to watch the exchanges only as healthy

astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to

astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange becomes

personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you as responsible

members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting fires and

hurling brick bats only at one party without contributing or

understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to

sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and crtiticse

the players on the field playing cricket for India, but actually

when one plays then he knows wjats going on.

 

For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and if you also

notice that is why all my mails have been detailed trying to explain

certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does not take more

than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person try to write

long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know how to be

diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions. When they talk

they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the heart.

Please include me in this category of unpolished, primitive and

undiplomatic lot.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, mahaluxmi iyer

<astromahaluxmi wrote:

>

> it pained me a lot too.

> yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in age but

knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these discussions.

having read much of the shastras in original samskrit, has also

willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members on this

group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing any

negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast knowledge. i

think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as is evident

from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare indeed to

find men of substance who keep their cool despite the vast knowledge

they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish and deals

with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of groups,

schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and not the

student or querist's background.

>

> he certainly deserves respect from us all.

> mahalakshmi

>

>

>

> shankarremote <shankarremote wrote:

> Dear Bhaskar Ji:

>

> "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach

> syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already

> into teaching College students."

>

> Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has contributed

much

> to this group and to many in this group individually. While I am not

> trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else, I would

request

> you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone else.

>

> We do not meet most members of this forum in person, that should

make

> us doubly kind towards various contributors.

>

> My 2cents.

>

> Regards

> Shankar

> , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> >

> > Chandrasekharji said-

> > //

> > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not

have

> > the

> > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the

question

> > asked

> > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me

to

> > fulfill

> > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of

the

> > question.//

> >

> >

> > Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the

luxury

> > of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to cast a

> > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House division,

> > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the Degrees

> > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how

> > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC calculation

> > of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of

> > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the

> > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the

> > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a

> > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a mathematical

> > Query.

> >

> > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach

> > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already

> > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of time,

> > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really

feel

> > sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially

> > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all.

> > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the

> > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up

> > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the

> > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom

> > I learnt 20 years back.

> >

> >

> > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna

> > being in

> > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of

> > rasis in

> > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and

when

> > it

> > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord

ship

> > will

> > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler,

if

> > you

> > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each

> > bhava in

> > > each rasi?//

> >

> > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a

small

> > example to make your question logical to understand.But if you

> > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the Lord of

> > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas

fall in

> > the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the

signs.

> > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each Bhava

in

> > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and whether You

> > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or whatever.

> >

> > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of

> > Bhava

> > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as

> > according

> > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart.

> > > //

> >

> > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a

small

> > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart. Why

are

> > the software companies since last 30 years existence in India,

have

> > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ?

They

> > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand

and

> > talk about general

> > character of a person, in the same way only generalisations can

be

> > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will

> > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the Chalit

> > Chart, no doubt about it.

> >

> > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request all

> > those indulging in this to please do their homework and have their

> > basics right before putting up questions.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -- In , Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not

have

> > the

> > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the

question

> > asked

> > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me

to

> > fulfill

> > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of

the

> > question.

> > >

> > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna

being

> > in

> > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of

> > rasis in

> > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and

when

> > it

> > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord

ship

> > will

> > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler,

if

> > you

> > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each

> > bhava in

> > > each rasi?

> > >

> > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of

Bhava

> > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as

> > according

> > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > >

> > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but

> > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the

> > astrologers

> > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do not

know

> > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30

years

> > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do

not

> > know,

> > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a

good

> > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher.

> > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few

weeks

> > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about

it of

> > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > >

> > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the

use of

> > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships

> > assigned

> > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > >

> > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ----

> > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or

Placidus,

> > from

> > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not

> > matter,

> > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would

like

> > you

> > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as

possible, as

> > I

> > > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic

astrology,

> > > > having

> > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of

> > view.

> > > > As

> > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you

should

> > > > stick to

> > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when

the

> > > > lagna is

> > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be

highly

> > > > > appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of

my

> > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a

place

> > where

> > > > I

> > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among,

especially

> > the

> > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not

find

> > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya

> > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World,

and

> > from

> > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and

> > review,

> > > > may

> > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach

> > suggested. So

> > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and

then

> > > > using

> > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many

> > > > questions

> > > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical

> > > > statement

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I

have

> > not yet

> > > > > > found

> > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to

find

> > out if

> > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even

when

> > the

> > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to

comment.

> > I was

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your

> > goodself.

> > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general

comment

> > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause

> > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This

is

> > > > neither

> > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to

make the

> > > > modern

> > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of

what is

> > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals,

I

> > would

> > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence

of

> > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds

of

> > charts

> > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family

> > members,

> > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not

> > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in

Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results

in

> > real

> > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a

> > incident

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not

> > happened.

> > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons

> > logically,

> > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key

for

> > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in

todays

> > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see

whether

> > the

> > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department

or

> > not.

> > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a

Mahapurusha

> > or

> > > > not,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by

calling him

> > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in

plenty in

> > many

> > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of

> > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga

fructify.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about

the

> > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a

small

> > > > town too

> > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to

know

> > and ask

> > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict

perfectly

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required

> > intuition

> > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the

natal

> > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person,

and

> > so

> > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching

matters. We

> > > > shall

> > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned

did in

> > fact

> > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in

> > isolation

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something

new

> > that

> > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume

it

> > is the

> > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more

than 2

> > or 3

> > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even

> > calculators

> > > > were

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote

any

> > > > classic

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as

you

> > call

> > > > it?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen

all

> > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make

> > people

> > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do

with

> > Bhava

> > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the

Khokha

> > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from

> > outside,

> > > > but

> > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise

how

> > do

> > > > we

> > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of

> > peoples

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made

from

> > the

> > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know,

for

> > they

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or

> > visiting

> > > > few

> > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit

(Cuspal

> > in

> > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple

> > reason

> > > > that

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if

you

> > quote

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become

> > secondary

> > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of

the

> > term,

> > > > but

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not

understand .

> > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many

> > planets to

> > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi

Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ?

> > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means

> > > > combinations in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart,

> > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road

> > would

> > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer

should

> > do

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my

mail

> > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it

mantains

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit

> > then it

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this

strongly

> > with

> > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on

> > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which

is

> > not a

> > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with

the

> > fact

> > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and

an

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the

possible

> > > > results

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to

find

> > out

> > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive

or

> > > > negative

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and

> > Venus in

> > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also

in,

> > say,

> > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of

> > Chandraadhi

> > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience,

the

> > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which

appear to

> > be

> > > > so

> > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause

> > when we

> > > > see

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet

may

> > go

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other

may

> > go in

> > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in

> > giving the

> > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and

others

> > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in

general

> > and

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so

my

> > mail

> > > > went

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not

think

> > so.

> > > > Please

> > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual

> > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28

> > degrees if

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty

common

> > yoga.

> > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should

be

> > more

> > > > than

> > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k

<ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and

budh

> > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-

adhithya"

> > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion

occurs

> > when

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from

behind at

> > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust

in "retograde"

> > > > motion

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the

surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which

the

> > > > distance

> > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume

here,

> > the

> > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to

perform.

> > In

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some

> > basic

> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the

budhaditya

> > yoga in

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let

me

> > have a

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya

is

> > one

> > > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the

world's

> > > > > > population

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

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[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar,

 

I see that you are even now avoiding answers to direct questions and

only two that I asked you. It seems you do not wish to answer the

questions about how to deal with bhava ownership as the village

astrologers for their knowledge of chalit horoscope, whom you extol for

their knowledge of chalit, do not use bhava lordships in predictions.

That is strange indeed.

 

It is of no interest to me whether you teach college students or school

students. We are talking of Vedic astrology, if I am not mistaken, and

that was taught in Gurukula and not in colleges like those of today.

 

Anyway since you are not averse to read Ramkumar Ojha's books, I hope

you sometime also read Pt. Gopeshkumar Ojha's opinion on Chalit charts.

 

As to your lengthy comments about astrologers needing to be experts at

calculations and astronomy (I presume), could I draw your attention to

comments of B. Surya Narain rao in Sarvartha Chintamani, whom I hope you

do not consider incapable of astrological calculations. I am sure a

person like you who teaches only college students knows of B. Surya

Narain rao, but for the knowledge of those on the list who are not

aware, he was the founder of the Astrological Magazine and the grand

father of the venerated Dr. B. V. Raman who was called the modern day

Varaha Mihira.

 

B. Surya Narain rao Sarvartha Chintamani Vol1 page 123.

"There are now many Jyotishis-astrologers and there are also many

siddhantees-astronomers. A happy combinations of the two in one and the

same individual is a rarity and we may count their names almost on our

finger's ends. While mathematics are absolutely necessary for all

astrological calculations they deprive the possessor of that

mathematical ability and acumen, the excellent judgement-power in

prediction, which will be developed in a man, who entirely devoted

himself to the predictive portion of it and to the observation of men

who are so many results of planetary influences. The best astronomers,

as a class, are sorry predictors, while the best astrologers guess the

combinations of planets almost instinctively, at the time of birth of a

person, without even a pretense of making the elementary calculations."

 

Of course you may brush opinion of B. Surya Narain rao as he did not

teach college students in his days, aside.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

Bhaskar wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrasekharji,

>

> Chandrasekharji said-

> //

> > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have

> the

> > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question

> asked

> > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to

> fulfill

> > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the

> question.//

>

> Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the luxury

> of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to cast a

> chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House division,

> Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the Degrees

> for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how

> much and where the difference will come even if RAMC calculation

> of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of

> Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the

> developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the

> field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a

> astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a mathematical

> Query.

>

> Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach

> syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already

> into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of time,

> having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really feel

> sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially

> from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all.

> This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the

> elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up

> any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the

> discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom

> I learnt 20 years back.

>

> //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna

> being in

> > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of

> rasis in

> > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when

> it

> > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship

> will

> > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if

> you

> > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each

> bhava in

> > each rasi?//

>

> I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a small

> example to make your question logical to understand.But if you

> mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the Lord of

> the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas fall in

> the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the signs.

> How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each Bhava in

> Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and whether You

> take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or whatever.

>

> //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of

> Bhava

> > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as

> according

> > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart.

> > //

>

> Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a small

> town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart. Why are

> the software companies since last 30 years existence in India, have

> The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ? They

> are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand and

> talk about general

> character of a person, in the same way only generalisations can be

> made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will

> actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the Chalit

> Chart, no doubt about it.

>

> Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request all

> those indulging in this to please do their homework and have their

> basics right before putting up questions.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> -- In

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have

> the

> > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question

> asked

> > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to

> fulfill

> > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the

> question.

> >

> > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna being

> in

> > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of

> rasis in

> > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when

> it

> > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship

> will

> > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if

> you

> > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each

> bhava in

> > each rasi?

> >

> > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of Bhava

> > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as

> according

> > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > >

> > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but

> > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the

> astrologers

> > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do not know

> > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30 years

> > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do not

> know,

> > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a good

> > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher.

> > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few weeks

> > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about it of

> > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > >

> > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the use of

> > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships

> assigned

> > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > >

> > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ----

> > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or Placidus,

> from

> > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not

> matter,

> > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would like

> you

> > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as possible, as

> I

> > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic astrology,

> > > having

> > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of

> view.

> > > As

> > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you should

> > > stick to

> > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the

> > > lagna is

> > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be highly

> > > > appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of my

> > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a place

> where

> > > I

> > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, especially

> the

> > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not find

> > > anywhere,

> > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya

> Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, and

> from

> > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and

> review,

> > > may

> > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach

> suggested. So

> > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and then

> > > using

> > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many

> > > questions

> > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical

> > > statement

> > > > > about

> > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have

> not yet

> > > > > found

> > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to find

> out if

> > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when

> the

> > > > > graha are

> > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment.

> I was

> > > > > only

> > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your

> goodself.

> > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment

> > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause

> Sanskrit

> > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This is

> > > neither

> > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the

> > > modern

> > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is

> > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I

> would

> > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of

> > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of

> charts

> > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family

> members,

> > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not

> > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in

> real

> > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a

> incident

> > > has

> > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not

> happened.

> > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons

> logically,

> > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for

> > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays

> > > charts.

> > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see whether

> the

> > > > > person

> > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or

> not.

> > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha

> or

> > > not,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him

> > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in

> many

> > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of

> astrology, to

> > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about the

> > > > > importance

> > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small

> > > town too

> > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know

> and ask

> > > > > him.

> > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly

> with

> > > the

> > > > > natal

> > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required

> intuition

> > > > > power.

> > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal

> > > chart,

> > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and

> so

> > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We

> > > shall

> > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in

> fact

> > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in

> isolation

> > > in

> > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new

> that

> > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it

> is the

> > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2

> or 3

> > > > > books

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even

> calculators

> > > were

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any

> > > classic

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you

> call

> > > it?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all

> > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make

> people

> > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with

> Bhava

> > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha

> > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from

> outside,

> > > but

> > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how

> do

> > > we

> > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of

> peoples

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from

> the

> > > Bhava

> > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for

> they

> > > have

> > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or

> visiting

> > > few

> > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal

> in

> > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple

> reason

> > > that

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you

> quote

> > > the

> > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become

> secondary

> > > > > and do

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the

> term,

> > > but

> > > > > just

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand .

> > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many

> planets to

> > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ?

> > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means

> > > combinations in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart,

> > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road

> would

> > > have a

> > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should

> do

> > > with

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail

> > > that a

> > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains

> in

> > > the

> > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit

> then it

> > > will

> > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly

> with

> > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on

> Yogas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is

> not a

> > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the

> fact

> > > > > that in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible

> > > results

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find

> out

> > > > > whether

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or

> > > negative

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and

> Venus in

> > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in,

> say,

> > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of

> Chandraadhi

> > > yoga

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the

> > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to

> be

> > > so

> > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause

> when we

> > > see

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may

> go

> > > to

> > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may

> go in

> > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in

> giving the

> > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others

> > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general

> and

> > > not

> > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my

> mail

> > > went

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think

> so.

> > > Please

> > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual

> > > sevenths as

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28

> degrees if

> > > I

> > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common

> yoga.

> > > > > However

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be

> more

> > > than

> > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh

> > > > > together in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya"

> yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs

> when

> > > any

> > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at

> > > certain

> > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde"

> > > motion

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the

> > > distance

> > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here,

> the

> > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform.

> In

> > > this

> > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some

> basic

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya

> yoga in

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me

> have a

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is

> one

> > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's

> > > > > population

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

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Dear Mahalakshmiji,

 

No please do not embarass me. On the other hand I am feeling

bad that that because of my style of writings I have caused pain

to few members.

Please, no need to affix ji and all that. This does not make

me happy or sad. I am really above these things. When I mentioned

this,it was just to show that I was not in anyway disrespecting

the other member.

 

Best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, mahaluxmi iyer

<astromahaluxmi wrote:

>

> bhaskar ji

> i am sorry if i have hurt you but thats how i felt. in my last

post i had not addressed you as ji and this time i have rectified

that mistake also.

> mahalakshmi

>

>

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji,

>

> I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate

> member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know

> that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of

> all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri

> Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will

> find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but

> my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my

> respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean

> that we show disrespect. But a point.

>

> And you should have watched the intent and not the content

> when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am sure

> it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to

> give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the

> benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to read the

> same in books available in the market or on websites, instead

> of You spending time on this Basic stuff.

>

> No human in the world knows all-total about astrology.

> I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able to crush me

in

> many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it imply ?

> Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite universal

that

> you know part of something and I know part of something, but none

of

> us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-gulla

> about it.

>

> I request the members to watch the exchanges only as healthy

> astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to

> astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange becomes

> personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you as

responsible

> members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting fires and

> hurling brick bats only at one party without contributing or

> understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to

> sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and crtiticse

> the players on the field playing cricket for India, but actually

> when one plays then he knows wjats going on.

>

> For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and if you also

> notice that is why all my mails have been detailed trying to

explain

> certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does not take more

> than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person try to write

> long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know how to be

> diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions. When they

talk

> they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the heart.

> Please include me in this category of unpolished, primitive and

> undiplomatic lot.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , mahaluxmi iyer

> <astromahaluxmi@> wrote:

> >

> > it pained me a lot too.

> > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in age but

> knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these discussions.

> having read much of the shastras in original samskrit, has also

> willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members on this

> group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing any

> negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast knowledge. i

> think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as is evident

> from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare indeed to

> find men of substance who keep their cool despite the vast

knowledge

> they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish and deals

> with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of groups,

> schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and not the

> student or querist's background.

> >

> > he certainly deserves respect from us all.

> > mahalakshmi

> >

> >

> >

> > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote:

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji:

> >

> > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach

> > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already

> > into teaching College students."

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has contributed

> much

> > to this group and to many in this group individually. While I am

not

> > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else, I would

> request

> > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone else.

> >

> > We do not meet most members of this forum in person, that should

> make

> > us doubly kind towards various contributors.

> >

> > My 2cents.

> >

> > Regards

> > Shankar

> > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > >

> > > Chandrasekharji said-

> > > //

> > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not

> have

> > > the

> > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the

> question

> > > asked

> > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me

> to

> > > fulfill

> > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part

of

> the

> > > question.//

> > >

> > >

> > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the

> luxury

> > > of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to

cast a

> > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House division,

> > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the

Degrees

> > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how

> > > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC calculation

> > > of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of

> > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the

> > > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the

> > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a

> > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a

mathematical

> > > Query.

> > >

> > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach

> > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am

already

> > > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of

time,

> > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really

> feel

> > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially

> > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all.

> > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the

> > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up

> > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the

> > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom

> > > I learnt 20 years back.

> > >

> > >

> > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about

Lagna

> > > being in

> > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition

of

> > > rasis in

> > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries

and

> when

> > > it

> > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord

> ship

> > > will

> > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler,

> if

> > > you

> > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of

each

> > > bhava in

> > > > each rasi?//

> > >

> > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a

> small

> > > example to make your question logical to understand.But if you

> > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the Lord

of

> > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas

> fall in

> > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the

> signs.

> > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each Bhava

> in

> > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and whether

You

> > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or

whatever.

> > >

> > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit

of

> > > Bhava

> > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself

as

> > > according

> > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit

chart.

> > > > //

> > >

> > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a

> small

> > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart.

Why

> are

> > > the software companies since last 30 years existence in India,

> have

> > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ?

> They

> > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand

> and

> > > talk about general

> > > character of a person, in the same way only generalisations can

> be

> > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will

> > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the Chalit

> > > Chart, no doubt about it.

> > >

> > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request

all

> > > those indulging in this to please do their homework and have

their

> > > basics right before putting up questions.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -- In , Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not

> have

> > > the

> > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the

> question

> > > asked

> > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me

> to

> > > fulfill

> > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part

of

> the

> > > question.

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna

> being

> > > in

> > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition

of

> > > rasis in

> > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries

and

> when

> > > it

> > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord

> ship

> > > will

> > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler,

> if

> > > you

> > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of

each

> > > bhava in

> > > > each rasi?

> > > >

> > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of

> Bhava

> > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself

as

> > > according

> > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit

chart.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know,

but

> > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the

> > > astrologers

> > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do

not

> know

> > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30

> years

> > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do

> not

> > > know,

> > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to

a

> good

> > > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher.

> > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently

few

> weeks

> > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew

about

> it of

> > > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > > >

> > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the

> use of

> > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships

> > > assigned

> > > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > > >

> > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ---

-

> > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or

> Placidus,

> > > from

> > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not

> > > matter,

> > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would

> like

> > > you

> > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as

> possible, as

> > > I

> > > > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic

> astrology,

> > > > > having

> > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point

of

> > > view.

> > > > > As

> > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you

> should

> > > > > stick to

> > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when

> the

> > > > > lagna is

> > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be

> highly

> > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person

of

> my

> > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a

> place

> > > where

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among,

> especially

> > > the

> > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not

> find

> > > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya

> > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World,

> and

> > > from

> > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen

and

> > > review,

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach

> > > suggested. So

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit

and

> then

> > > > > using

> > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd

many

> > > > > questions

> > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a

categorical

> > > > > statement

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I

> have

> > > not yet

> > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to

> find

> > > out if

> > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even

> when

> > > the

> > > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to

> comment.

> > > I was

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your

> > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general

> comment

> > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term,

cause

> > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language.

This

> is

> > > > > neither

> > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to

> make the

> > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of

> what is

> > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army

generals,

> I

> > > would

> > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the

absence

> of

> > > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds

> of

> > > charts

> > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and

family

> > > members,

> > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually

not

> > > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in

> Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired

results

> in

> > > real

> > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a

> > > incident

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not

> > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons

> > > logically,

> > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the

key

> for

> > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in

> todays

> > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see

> whether

> > > the

> > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain

department

> or

> > > not.

> > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a

> Mahapurusha

> > > or

> > > > > not,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by

> calling him

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in

> plenty in

> > > many

> > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of

> > > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga

> fructify.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know

about

> the

> > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a

> small

> > > > > town too

> > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to

> know

> > > and ask

> > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict

> perfectly

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the

required

> > > intuition

> > > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from

the

> natal

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to

person,

> and

> > > so

> > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching

> matters. We

> > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned

> did in

> > > fact

> > > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in

> > > isolation

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is

something

> new

> > > that

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I

assume

> it

> > > is the

> > > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more

> than 2

> > > or 3

> > > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even

> > > calculators

> > > > > were

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you

quote

> any

> > > > > classic

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as

> you

> > > call

> > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have

seen

> all

> > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and

make

> > > people

> > > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do

> with

> > > Bhava

> > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the

> Khokha

> > > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from

> > > outside,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes.

Otherwise

> how

> > > do

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions

of

> > > peoples

> > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made

> from

> > > the

> > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know,

> for

> > > they

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or

> > > visiting

> > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit

> (Cuspal

> > > in

> > > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the

simple

> > > reason

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if

> you

> > > quote

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned

become

> > > secondary

> > > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of

> the

> > > term,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not

> understand .

> > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many

> > > planets to

> > > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi

> Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this

case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means

> > > > > combinations in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit

chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the

road

> > > would

> > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer

> should

> > > do

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in

my

> mail

> > > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it

> mantains

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava

Chalit

> > > then it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this

> strongly

> > > with

> > > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion

on

> > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit,

which

> is

> > > not a

> > > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do

with

> the

> > > fact

> > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas

and

> an

> > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the

> possible

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to

> find

> > > out

> > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give

positive

> or

> > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio

and

> > > Venus in

> > > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also

> in,

> > > say,

> > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of

> > > Chandraadhi

> > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience,

> the

> > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which

> appear to

> > > be

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown,

cause

> > > when we

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one

planet

> may

> > > go

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and

other

> may

> > > go in

> > > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in

> > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and

> others

> > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in

> general

> > > and

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so

> my

> > > mail

> > > > > went

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not

> think

> > > so.

> > > > > Please

> > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in

Mutual

> > > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28

> > > degrees if

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty

> common

> > > yoga.

> > > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance

should

> be

> > > more

> > > > > than

> > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k

> <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya

and

> budh

> > > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-

> adhithya"

> > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion

> occurs

> > > when

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from

> behind at

> > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust

> in "retograde"

> > > > > motion

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the

> surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in

which

> the

> > > > > distance

> > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume

> here,

> > > the

> > > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to

> perform.

> > > In

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing

some

> > > basic

> > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the

> budhaditya

> > > yoga in

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let

> me

> > > have a

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion,

budhaditya

> is

> > > one

> > > > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the

> world's

> > > > > > > population

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

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This of course is KP concept which is not absorbed by Vedic , the correct use of 6th is , it is trine to 2nd house the another being 10th; Lagna being Rajoguni 2nd house is Tamoguni , for any thing to fructify in real all the three Gunas shall work; 2nd is Earthen Tamoguna Bhava , means collections possessions etc; 6th is Satoguna earthen Bhava means your knowledge how to lead , work the knowledge to collect , service and the 10th is earthen Rajoguna house shows the Vasna or determinations of an individual to work.

With Best Wishes,

Inder Jit Sahni

 

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Bhaskar

Monday, November 27, 2006 7:34 PM

Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

 

 

Dear Jagdishji,

 

Oh yes they should certainly fructify.

We have Vipareeta Raj Yoga and neech Bhanga RajaYoga

too, to make this claim strong.

Apart from that 6th by itself figuring is also a very good

Bhava for Dhana, because its 12th to the partners,

which means money will come to us through business dealings,

partnerships, selling goods to consumers, from servcies given to

people etc. 6th, 8th and 12th apart fom being dreadful houses fo

the commonly known reasons, viz.disease,death and hospitalisation,

as per law of duality in Nature have their good effects too to give to

the native. 8th for example gives inheritance, gratuity, dowry and

Accident Insurance too among others. Of course for this

house , positives will be gained only after some tragedy or

unhappiness

as per the dictums of this house. The 12th Bhava is very important

for investments. We see the 12th for all types of investments

especially for setting up factories, or industry the 12th is a very

important Bhava. 5 and 8 is a good Dhana Yoga, 6 and 8 is

a good Dhana Yoga, 2,6 and 12 is again a Good Yoga for

wealth coming in after investing etc. You can form your own

combinations. And of course you must be knowing the already mentioned

Yogas in the classics, when the Lords of Dusthanas sit in another

Dusthana

its a Raj Yoga. But again when the Planet in power, which makes the

Yoga,

comes as dasha Lord in the life of the native, only then would he get

the

fruits of these Dhana Yogas.

 

Have You joined my Forum as yet ?

/

 

At times I feel I should stop writing in any Forum due to my blunt

nature

 

and free style of writing from the heart I tend to be misunderstood.

In this Forum Chandrasekharji whom I do not know and neither have

any sort of grudge has unnecessary come in my line of fire, without

any fault of his neither mines. Actually when I talk strongly on

Astrology

pointersI tend to get carried away and cannot accept anything which

should be

supposed to be understood without being having to said or explained.

But at the time of writing we forget to stand in the other persons

shoes ,

for a moment which is my fault. I hope not to hurt anyone for

some time now.

 

Best Wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

Dear Bhaskar Ji

>

> When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th) then do

they fructify ?

>

> Best Wishes

>

> Jagdish

>

 

, Prathamesn Chawan

<upaoakcrest wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar Ji

>

> When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th) then do

they fructify ?

>

> Best Wishes

>

> Jagdish

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote: Dear Jagdishji,

>

> Hello.

> After a long time. Nice to see You active.

> I never knew You were on this Forum.

> Well You may call me millionare,or a billionare

> too by inheritance, but nothing in hands.

> Otherwise living a middle class comfortable life.

> But if You remember me well then You know I am

> a king with a Kingdom and without one too.

> Does not matter.

>

> Take care,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> , Prathamesn Chawan

> <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rampriya Ji

> >

> > When 2nd lord is in 8th then person does not talk much.

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji, you must be a millionare ?

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > jagdish

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote: Dear Rampriyaji,

> >

> > My 2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in the 11th in Gemini along

> > with the Ascendant Lord which is the Sun.

> > Are you trying to figure any losses due to speech or why

> > the speech is at times rude or whether the 2nd lord is not

> > in a right position to be in. If that is the case then there

> > are other reasons for the same.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , "D Ramapriya"

<ramapriya.d@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > Is your 2nd lord in the 8th bhava in your chart, by any

chance?

> > >

> > > Ramapriya

> > >

> > >

> > > On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji,

> > > >

> > > > I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate

> > > > member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know

> > > > that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of

> > > > all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri

> > > > Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will

> > > > find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but

> > > > my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my

> > > > respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean

> > > > that we show disrespect. But a point.

> > > >

> > > > And you should have watched the intent and not the content

> > > > when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am sure

> > > > it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to

> > > > give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the

> > > > benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to read

the

> > > > same in books available in the market or on websites,

instead

> > > > of You spending time on this Basic stuff.

> > > >

> > > > No human in the world knows all-total about astrology.

> > > > I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able to

> crush

> > me in

> > > > many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it

imply ?

> > > > Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite

> universal

> > that

> > > > you know part of something and I know part of something,

but

> none

> > of

> > > > us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-

gulla

> > > > about it.

> > > >

> > > > I request the members to watch the exchanges only as healthy

> > > > astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to

> > > > astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange

becomes

> > > > personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you as

> > responsible

> > > > members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting

fires

> and

> > > > hurling brick bats only at one party without contributing or

> > > > understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to

> > > > sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and

> crtiticse

> > > > the players on the field playing cricket for India, but

> actually

> > > > when one plays then he knows wjats going on.

> > > >

> > > > For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and if

you

> also

> > > > notice that is why all my mails have been detailed trying

to

> > explain

> > > > certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does not

take

> more

> > > > than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person try

to

> > write

> > > > long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know how

to

> be

> > > > diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions. When

> they

> > talk

> > > > they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the heart.

> > > > Please include me in this category of unpolished, primitive

and

> > > > undiplomatic lot.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > mahaluxmi iyer

> > > > <astromahaluxmi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > it pained me a lot too.

> > > > > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in age

but

> > > > knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these

> > discussions.

> > > > having read much of the shastras in original samskrit, has

also

> > > > willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members on

> this

> > > > group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing

any

> > > > negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast

> knowledge. i

> > > > think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as is

> evident

> > > > from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare

> indeed

> > to

> > > > find men of substance who keep their cool despite the vast

> > knowledge

> > > > they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish

and

> > deals

> > > > with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of

groups,

> > > > schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and

not

> the

> > > > student or querist's background.

> > > > >

> > > > > he certainly deserves respect from us all.

> > > > > mahalakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji:

> > > > >

> > > > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to

> teach

> > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I

am

> > already

> > > > > into teaching College students."

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has

> contributed

> > > > much

> > > > > to this group and to many in this group individually.

While

> I

> > am not

> > > > > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else, I

> would

> > > > request

> > > > > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone else.

> > > > >

> > > > > We do not meet most members of this forum in person, that

> should

> > > > make

> > > > > us doubly kind towards various contributors.

> > > > >

> > > > > My 2cents.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Shankar

> > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrasekharji said-

> > > > > > //

> > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who

> did

> > not

> > > > have

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading

the

> > > > question

> > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please

> allow

> > me

> > > > to

> > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

that

> part

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > question.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not

have

> the

> > > > luxury

> > > > > > of calculators, because every astrologer should know

how

> to

> > cast a

> > > > > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House

> > division,

> > > > > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate

the

> > Degrees

> > > > > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should

know

> how

> > > > > > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC

> > calculation

> > > > > > of one difference is there.He should also know the

meaning

> of

> > > > > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware

of

> the

> > > > > > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts

in

> the

> > > > > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india.

If a

> > > > > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a

> > mathematical

> > > > > > Query.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able

to

> teach

> > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I

am

> > already

> > > > > > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage

of

> > time,

> > > > > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i

> really

> > > > feel

> > > > > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and

especially

> > > > > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question

at

> all.

> > > > > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting

the

> > > > > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick

up

> > > > > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the

> > > > > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats

> wherefrom

> > > > > > I learnt 20 years back.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked

> about

> > Lagna

> > > > > > being in

> > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> definition

> > of

> > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree

> Aries

> > and

> > > > when

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler

what

> lord

> > > > ship

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even

> > simpler,

> > > > if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

degrees

> of

> > each

> > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > each rasi?//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had

put

> a

> > > > small

> > > > > > example to make your question logical to understand.But

if

> you

> > > > > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > > > > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,,

the

> > Lord of

> > > > > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two

> Bhavas

> > > > fall in

> > > > > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for

both

> the

> > > > signs.

> > > > > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of

each

> > Bhava

> > > > in

> > > > > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and

> > whether You

> > > > > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system

or

> > whatever.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the

> benefit

> > of

> > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask

> yourself

> > as

> > > > > > according

> > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

chalit

> > chart.

> > > > > > > //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local

pandit

> in a

> > > > small

> > > > > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a

> Chart.

> > Why

> > > > are

> > > > > > the software companies since last 30 years existence in

> India,

> > > > have

> > > > > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed

> chart ?

> > > > They

> > > > > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see

a

> hand

> > > > and

> > > > > > talk about general

> > > > > > character of a person, in the same way only

> generalisations

> > can

> > > > be

> > > > > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which

> will

> > > > > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of

the

> > Chalit

> > > > > > Chart, no doubt about it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I

> request

> > all

> > > > > > those indulging in this to please do their homework and

> have

> > their

> > > > > > basics right before putting up questions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- In <%

> > 40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who

> did

> > not

> > > > have

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading

the

> > > > question

> > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please

> allow

> > me

> > > > to

> > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

that

> part

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > question.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked

about

> > Lagna

> > > > being

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> definition

> > of

> > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree

> Aries

> > and

> > > > when

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler

what

> lord

> > > > ship

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even

> > simpler,

> > > > if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

degrees

> of

> > each

> > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > each rasi?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the

> benefit of

> > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask

> yourself

> > as

> > > > > > according

> > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

chalit

> > chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should

> know,

> > but

> > > > > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most

of

> the

> > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when

they

> do

> > not

> > > > know

> > > > > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit

chart.Even

> 30

> > > > years

> > > > > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent

> lot do

> > > > not

> > > > > > know,

> > > > > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude

to

> go

> > to a

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified

> > teacher.

> > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered

> recently

> > few

> > > > weeks

> > > > > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages

knew

> > about

> > > > it of

> > > > > > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually

> without

> > the

> > > > use of

> > > > > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of

> lordships

> > > > > > assigned

> > > > > > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi

> means ? -

> > ---

> > > > > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati

or

> > > > Placidus,

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose

> does

> > not

> > > > > > matter,

> > > > > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji

I

> > would

> > > > like

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as

> > > > possible, as

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > see some potential in you which should not be

wasted.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic

> > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > > having

> > > > > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see

your

> > point of

> > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters

chosen,

> you

> > > > should

> > > > > > > > stick to

> > > > > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are

allotted

> > when

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > lagna is

> > > > > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts

> would

> > be

> > > > highly

> > > > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a

> person

> > of

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good

astrologer

> is a

> > > > place

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known

among,

> > > > especially

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you

may

> not

> > > > find

> > > > > > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya

> > > > > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in

the

> > World,

> > > > and

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > > > > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to

> listen

> > and

> > > > > > review,

> > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some

approach

> > > > > > suggested. So

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava

> Chalit

> > and

> > > > then

> > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to

> understanbd

> > many

> > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common

approach.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

<%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a

> > categorical

> > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well

> known. I

> > > > have

> > > > > > not yet

> > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this

age

> to to

> > > > find

> > > > > > out if

> > > > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results

promised,

> > even

> > > > when

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am

nobody to

> > > > comment.

> > > > > > I was

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood

by

> Your

> > > > > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a

> general

> > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit

> term,

> > cause

> > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude

> language.

> > This

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > neither

> > > > > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term

used

> to

> > > > make the

> > > > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and

> depth of

> > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army

> > generals,

> > > > I

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in

the

> > absence

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see

> > hundreds

> > > > of

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends

and

> > family

> > > > > > members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but

> > actually not

> > > > > > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in

> > > > Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving

desired

> > results

> > > > in

> > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation

for

> why a

> > > > > > incident

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it

> has

> > not

> > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for

> > reasons

> > > > > > logically,

> > > > > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit

is

> the

> > key

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha

> Yogas in

> > > > todays

> > > > > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements

to

> see

> > > > whether

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain

> > department

> > > > or

> > > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become

a

> > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > not,

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy

by

> > > > calling him

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be

found in

> > > > plenty in

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the

art

> of

> > > > > > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this

Yoga

> > > > fructify.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to

know

> > about

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good

astrologer

> in

> > a

> > > > small

> > > > > > > > town too

> > > > > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you

happen

> to

> > > > know

> > > > > > and ask

> > > > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict

> > > > perfectly

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the

> > required

> > > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading

> from

> > the

> > > > natal

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right

> way.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person

to

> > person,

> > > > and

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of

approaching

> > > > matters. We

> > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you

> mentioned

> > > > did in

> > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if

they

> did

> > in

> > > > > > isolation

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is

> > something

> > > > new

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit,

I

> > assume

> > > > it

> > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment

on

> > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have

read

> more

> > > > than 2

> > > > > > or 3

> > > > > > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as

even

> > > > > > calculators

> > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could

you

> > quote

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava

> Chalit,

> > as

> > > > you

> > > > > > call

> > > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by

> > rishis.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must

> have

> > seen

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts

fructify

> and

> > make

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does

HAS

> to do

> > > > with

> > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known

as

> the

> > > > Khokha

> > > > > > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso

mangoes

> from

> > > > > > outside,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes.

> > Otherwise

> > > > how

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in

> > millions of

> > > > > > peoples

> > > > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to

be

> made

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do

not

> > know,

> > > > for

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3

> books or

> > > > > > visiting

> > > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava

> Chalit

> > > > (Cuspal

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For

the

> > simple

> > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean

> combinations if

> > > > you

> > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are

positioned

> > become

> > > > > > secondary

> > > > > > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real

> sense of

> > > > the

> > > > > > term,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not

> > > > understand .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have

so

> many

> > > > > > planets to

> > > > > > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of

> > Chandradi

> > > > Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in

this

> > case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly

> means

> > > > > > > > combinations in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava

Chalit

> > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking

on

> the

> > road

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha

> Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a

> astrologer

> > > > should

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I

mentioned

> in

> > my

> > > > mail

> > > > > > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked

whether

> it

> > > > mantains

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the

Bhava

> > Chalit

> > > > > > then it

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming

this

> > > > strongly

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the

> discussion

> > on

> > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava

> chalit,

> > which

> > > > is

> > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has

to

> do

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive

> yogas

> > and

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at

the

> > > > possible

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must

also

> try

> > to

> > > > find

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give

> > positive

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying

> Scorpio

> > and

> > > > > > Venus in

> > > > > > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with

Sun

> > also

> > > > in,

> > > > > > say,

> > > > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the

results

> of

> > > > > > Chandraadhi

> > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal

> > experience,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas

which

> > > > appear to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results

> shown,

> > cause

> > > > > > when we

> > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart),

one

> > planet

> > > > may

> > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra

and

> > other

> > > > may

> > > > > > go in

> > > > > > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas

> weak

> > in

> > > > > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from

Chandrasekharji

> and

> > > > others

> > > > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was

written

> in

> > > > general

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was

> there

> > so

> > > > my

> > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I

do

> not

> > > > think

> > > > > > so.

> > > > > > > > Please

> > > > > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be

in

> > Mutual

> > > > > > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be

> only 28

> > > > > > degrees if

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is

> pretty

> > > > common

> > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the

distance

> > should

> > > > be

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20

degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k

> > > > <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%

> > 40>>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when

> surya

> > and

> > > > budh

> > > > > > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths,

forms "budha-

> > > > adhithya"

> > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that

combustion

> > > > occurs

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya

> from

> > > > behind at

> > > > > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust

> > > > in "retograde"

> > > > > > > > motion

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather

eclipse

> the

> > > > surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a

chart

> in

> > which

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > distance

> > > > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I

> > presume

> > > > here,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or

unable

> to

> > > > perform.

> > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i

> missing

> > some

> > > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the

> > > > budhaditya

> > > > > > yoga in

> > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion.

And

> do

> > let

> > > > me

> > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion,

> > budhaditya

> > > > is

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than

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> the

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> > > > > > > > > > > > would

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

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[Guest guest]

Dear Inderjitji,

 

KP is the cream churned from the Milk Parashar. All same actually.

I liked the way you described the 3 Gunas. More planets in any

particular Guna in a chart also decides about the nature of the native

in majority.

 

Best wishes

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "Inder Jit Sahni"

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> This of course is KP concept which is not absorbed by Vedic , the

correct use of 6th is , it is trine to 2nd house the another being

10th; Lagna being Rajoguni 2nd house is Tamoguni , for any thing to

fructify in real all the three Gunas shall work; 2nd is Earthen

Tamoguna Bhava , means collections possessions etc; 6th is Satoguna

earthen Bhava means your knowledge how to lead , work the knowledge

to collect , service and the 10th is earthen Rajoguna house shows the

Vasna or determinations of an individual to work.

> With Best Wishes,

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

> -

> Bhaskar

>

> Monday, November 27, 2006 7:34 PM

> Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

>

>

> Dear Jagdishji,

>

> Oh yes they should certainly fructify.

> We have Vipareeta Raj Yoga and neech Bhanga RajaYoga

> too, to make this claim strong.

> Apart from that 6th by itself figuring is also a very good

> Bhava for Dhana, because its 12th to the partners,

> which means money will come to us through business dealings,

> partnerships, selling goods to consumers, from servcies given to

> people etc. 6th, 8th and 12th apart fom being dreadful houses fo

> the commonly known reasons, viz.disease,death and

hospitalisation,

> as per law of duality in Nature have their good effects too to

give to

> the native. 8th for example gives inheritance, gratuity, dowry and

> Accident Insurance too among others. Of course for this

> house , positives will be gained only after some tragedy or

> unhappiness

> as per the dictums of this house. The 12th Bhava is very important

> for investments. We see the 12th for all types of investments

> especially for setting up factories, or industry the 12th is a

very

> important Bhava. 5 and 8 is a good Dhana Yoga, 6 and 8 is

> a good Dhana Yoga, 2,6 and 12 is again a Good Yoga for

> wealth coming in after investing etc. You can form your own

> combinations. And of course you must be knowing the already

mentioned

> Yogas in the classics, when the Lords of Dusthanas sit in another

> Dusthana

> its a Raj Yoga. But again when the Planet in power, which makes

the

> Yoga,

> comes as dasha Lord in the life of the native, only then would he

get

> the

> fruits of these Dhana Yogas.

>

> Have You joined my Forum as yet ?

> /

>

> At times I feel I should stop writing in any Forum due to my

blunt

> nature

>

> and free style of writing from the heart I tend to be

misunderstood.

> In this Forum Chandrasekharji whom I do not know and neither have

> any sort of grudge has unnecessary come in my line of fire,

without

> any fault of his neither mines. Actually when I talk strongly on

> Astrology

> pointersI tend to get carried away and cannot accept anything

which

> should be

> supposed to be understood without being having to said or

explained.

> But at the time of writing we forget to stand in the other

persons

> shoes ,

> for a moment which is my fault. I hope not to hurt anyone for

> some time now.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> Dear Bhaskar Ji

> >

> > When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th) then

do

> they fructify ?

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Jagdish

> >

>

> , Prathamesn Chawan

> <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji

> >

> > When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th) then

do

> they fructify ?

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Jagdish

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote: Dear Jagdishji,

> >

> > Hello.

> > After a long time. Nice to see You active.

> > I never knew You were on this Forum.

> > Well You may call me millionare,or a billionare

> > too by inheritance, but nothing in hands.

> > Otherwise living a middle class comfortable life.

> > But if You remember me well then You know I am

> > a king with a Kingdom and without one too.

> > Does not matter.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > , Prathamesn Chawan

> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rampriya Ji

> > >

> > > When 2nd lord is in 8th then person does not talk much.

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, you must be a millionare ?

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > jagdish

> > >

> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote: Dear Rampriyaji,

> > >

> > > My 2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in the 11th in Gemini along

> > > with the Ascendant Lord which is the Sun.

> > > Are you trying to figure any losses due to speech or why

> > > the speech is at times rude or whether the 2nd lord is not

> > > in a right position to be in. If that is the case then there

> > > are other reasons for the same.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , "D Ramapriya"

> <ramapriya.d@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > Is your 2nd lord in the 8th bhava in your chart, by any

> chance?

> > > >

> > > > Ramapriya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate

> > > > > member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know

> > > > > that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of

> > > > > all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri

> > > > > Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will

> > > > > find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but

> > > > > my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my

> > > > > respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean

> > > > > that we show disrespect. But a point.

> > > > >

> > > > > And you should have watched the intent and not the content

> > > > > when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am sure

> > > > > it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to

> > > > > give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the

> > > > > benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to

read

> the

> > > > > same in books available in the market or on websites,

> instead

> > > > > of You spending time on this Basic stuff.

> > > > >

> > > > > No human in the world knows all-total about astrology.

> > > > > I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able to

> > crush

> > > me in

> > > > > many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it

> imply ?

> > > > > Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite

> > universal

> > > that

> > > > > you know part of something and I know part of something,

> but

> > none

> > > of

> > > > > us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-

> gulla

> > > > > about it.

> > > > >

> > > > > I request the members to watch the exchanges only as

healthy

> > > > > astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to

> > > > > astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange

> becomes

> > > > > personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you as

> > > responsible

> > > > > members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting

> fires

> > and

> > > > > hurling brick bats only at one party without contributing

or

> > > > > understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to

> > > > > sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and

> > crtiticse

> > > > > the players on the field playing cricket for India, but

> > actually

> > > > > when one plays then he knows wjats going on.

> > > > >

> > > > > For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and if

> you

> > also

> > > > > notice that is why all my mails have been detailed trying

> to

> > > explain

> > > > > certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does not

> take

> > more

> > > > > than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person

try

> to

> > > write

> > > > > long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know

how

> to

> > be

> > > > > diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions.

When

> > they

> > > talk

> > > > > they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the

heart.

> > > > > Please include me in this category of unpolished,

primitive

> and

> > > > > undiplomatic lot.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > mahaluxmi iyer

> > > > > <astromahaluxmi@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it pained me a lot too.

> > > > > > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in

age

> but

> > > > > knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these

> > > discussions.

> > > > > having read much of the shastras in original samskrit,

has

> also

> > > > > willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members

on

> > this

> > > > > group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing

> any

> > > > > negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast

> > knowledge. i

> > > > > think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as

is

> > evident

> > > > > from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare

> > indeed

> > > to

> > > > > find men of substance who keep their cool despite the

vast

> > > knowledge

> > > > > they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish

> and

> > > deals

> > > > > with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of

> groups,

> > > > > schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and

> not

> > the

> > > > > student or querist's background.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > he certainly deserves respect from us all.

> > > > > > mahalakshmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able

to

> > teach

> > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I

> am

> > > already

> > > > > > into teaching College students."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has

> > contributed

> > > > > much

> > > > > > to this group and to many in this group individually.

> While

> > I

> > > am not

> > > > > > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else,

I

> > would

> > > > > request

> > > > > > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone

else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We do not meet most members of this forum in person,

that

> > should

> > > > > make

> > > > > > us doubly kind towards various contributors.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My 2cents.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Shankar

> > > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrasekharji said-

> > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation

who

> > did

> > > not

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are

evading

> the

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit.

Please

> > allow

> > > me

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

> that

> > part

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > question.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not

> have

> > the

> > > > > luxury

> > > > > > > of calculators, because every astrologer should know

> how

> > to

> > > cast a

> > > > > > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House

> > > division,

> > > > > > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate

> the

> > > Degrees

> > > > > > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should

> know

> > how

> > > > > > > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC

> > > calculation

> > > > > > > of one difference is there.He should also know the

> meaning

> > of

> > > > > > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware

> of

> > the

> > > > > > > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts

> in

> > the

> > > > > > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india.

> If a

> > > > > > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a

> > > mathematical

> > > > > > > Query.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able

> to

> > teach

> > > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when

I

> am

> > > already

> > > > > > > into teaching College students. Its a precious

wasteage

> of

> > > time,

> > > > > > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that

i

> > really

> > > > > feel

> > > > > > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and

> especially

> > > > > > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this

question

> at

> > all.

> > > > > > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting

> the

> > > > > > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may

pick

> up

> > > > > > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find

the

> > > > > > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats

> > wherefrom

> > > > > > > I learnt 20 years back.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked

> > about

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > > being in

> > > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> > definition

> > > of

> > > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at

1degree

> > Aries

> > > and

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler

> what

> > lord

> > > > > ship

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it

even

> > > simpler,

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

> degrees

> > of

> > > each

> > > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > > each rasi?//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you

had

> put

> > a

> > > > > small

> > > > > > > example to make your question logical to

understand.But

> if

> > you

> > > > > > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > > > > > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,,

> the

> > > Lord of

> > > > > > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If

two

> > Bhavas

> > > > > fall in

> > > > > > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for

> both

> > the

> > > > > signs.

> > > > > > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of

> each

> > > Bhava

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person,

and

> > > whether You

> > > > > > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system

> or

> > > whatever.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the

> > benefit

> > > of

> > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask

> > yourself

> > > as

> > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

> chalit

> > > chart.

> > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local

> pandit

> > in a

> > > > > small

> > > > > > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in

a

> > Chart.

> > > Why

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > the software companies since last 30 years existence

in

> > India,

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the

printed

> > chart ?

> > > > > They

> > > > > > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you

see

> a

> > hand

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > talk about general

> > > > > > > character of a person, in the same way only

> > generalisations

> > > can

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions

which

> > will

> > > > > > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of

> the

> > > Chalit

> > > > > > > Chart, no doubt about it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I

> > request

> > > all

> > > > > > > those indulging in this to please do their homework

and

> > have

> > > their

> > > > > > > basics right before putting up questions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -- In <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation

who

> > did

> > > not

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are

evading

> the

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit.

Please

> > allow

> > > me

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

> that

> > part

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked

> about

> > > Lagna

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> > definition

> > > of

> > > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at

1degree

> > Aries

> > > and

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler

> what

> > lord

> > > > > ship

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it

even

> > > simpler,

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

> degrees

> > of

> > > each

> > > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > > each rasi?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the

> > benefit of

> > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask

> > yourself

> > > as

> > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

> chalit

> > > chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone

should

> > know,

> > > but

> > > > > > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most

> of

> > the

> > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when

> they

> > do

> > > not

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit

> chart.Even

> > 30

> > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the

recent

> > lot do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > know,

> > > > > > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude

> to

> > go

> > > to a

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > class/school to study the same, through a

qualified

> > > teacher.

> > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered

> > recently

> > > few

> > > > > weeks

> > > > > > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages

> knew

> > > about

> > > > > it of

> > > > > > > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually

> > without

> > > the

> > > > > use of

> > > > > > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of

> > lordships

> > > > > > > assigned

> > > > > > > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi

> > means ? -

> > > ---

> > > > > > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or

Shripati

> or

> > > > > Placidus,

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you

chose

> > does

> > > not

> > > > > > > matter,

> > > > > > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear

Chandresekharji

> I

> > > would

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early

as

> > > > > possible, as

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > see some potential in you which should not be

> wasted.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in

Vedic

> > > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > > > having

> > > > > > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see

> your

> > > point of

> > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters

> chosen,

> > you

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > stick to

> > > > > > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are

> allotted

> > > when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lagna is

> > > > > > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your

thoughts

> > would

> > > be

> > > > > highly

> > > > > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from

a

> > person

> > > of

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good

> astrologer

> > is a

> > > > > place

> > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known

> among,

> > > > > especially

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence

you

> may

> > not

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya

Vidya

> > > > > > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in

> the

> > > World,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > > > > > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least

to

> > listen

> > > and

> > > > > > > review,

> > > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some

> approach

> > > > > > > suggested. So

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying

Bhava

> > Chalit

> > > and

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to

> > understanbd

> > > many

> > > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common

> approach.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of

a

> > > categorical

> > > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well

> > known. I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > not yet

> > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this

> age

> > to to

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > out if

> > > > > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results

> promised,

> > > even

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am

> nobody to

> > > > > comment.

> > > > > > > I was

> > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood

> by

> > Your

> > > > > > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a

> > general

> > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit

> > term,

> > > cause

> > > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude

> > language.

> > > This

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > neither

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term

> used

> > to

> > > > > make the

> > > > > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and

> > depth of

> > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or

Army

> > > generals,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in

> the

> > > absence

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can

see

> > > hundreds

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and

friends

> and

> > > family

> > > > > > > members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but

> > > actually not

> > > > > > > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and

in

> > > > > Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving

> desired

> > > results

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation

> for

> > why a

> > > > > > > incident

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why

it

> > has

> > > not

> > > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching

for

> > > reasons

> > > > > > > logically,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava

Chalit

> is

> > the

> > > key

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha

> > Yogas in

> > > > > todays

> > > > > > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good

placements

> to

> > see

> > > > > whether

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain

> > > department

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would

become

> a

> > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > not,

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily

happy

> by

> > > > > calling him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be

> found in

> > > > > plenty in

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the

> art

> > of

> > > > > > > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would

this

> Yoga

> > > > > fructify.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to

> know

> > > about

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good

> astrologer

> > in

> > > a

> > > > > small

> > > > > > > > > town too

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you

> happen

> > to

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > and ask

> > > > > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to

predict

> > > > > perfectly

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has

the

> > > required

> > > > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are

reading

> > from

> > > the

> > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the

right

> > way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary

person

> to

> > > person,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of

> approaching

> > > > > matters. We

> > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you

> > mentioned

> > > > > did in

> > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if

> they

> > did

> > > in

> > > > > > > isolation

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts

is

> > > something

> > > > > new

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in

Sanskrit,

> I

> > > assume

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not

comment

> on

> > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have

> read

> > more

> > > > > than 2

> > > > > > > or 3

> > > > > > > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web

as

> even

> > > > > > > calculators

> > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology.

Could

> you

> > > quote

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava

> > Chalit,

> > > as

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > call

> > > > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced

by

> > > rishis.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you

must

> > have

> > > seen

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts

> fructify

> > and

> > > make

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does

> HAS

> > to do

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also

known

> as

> > the

> > > > > Khokha

> > > > > > > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso

> mangoes

> > from

> > > > > > > outside,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe

mangoes.

> > > Otherwise

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in

> > > millions of

> > > > > > > peoples

> > > > > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually

to

> be

> > made

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do

> not

> > > know,

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3

> > books or

> > > > > > > visiting

> > > > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of

Bhava

> > Chalit

> > > > > (Cuspal

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ?

For

> the

> > > simple

> > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean

> > combinations if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are

> positioned

> > > become

> > > > > > > secondary

> > > > > > > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real

> > sense of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > term,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do

not

> > > > > understand .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not

have

> so

> > many

> > > > > > > planets to

> > > > > > > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of

> > > Chandradi

> > > > > Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in

> this

> > > case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it

strictly

> > means

> > > > > > > > > combinations in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava

> Chalit

> > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking

> on

> > the

> > > road

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a

Panchamahapurusha

> > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a

> > astrologer

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I

> mentioned

> > in

> > > my

> > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked

> whether

> > it

> > > > > mantains

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the

> Bhava

> > > Chalit

> > > > > > > then it

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming

> this

> > > > > strongly

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the

> > discussion

> > > on

> > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava

> > chalit,

> > > which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has

> to

> > do

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and

positive

> > yogas

> > > and

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving

at

> the

> > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must

> also

> > try

> > > to

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will

give

> > > positive

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying

> > Scorpio

> > > and

> > > > > > > Venus in

> > > > > > > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini

with

> Sun

> > > also

> > > > > in,

> > > > > > > say,

> > > > > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the

> results

> > of

> > > > > > > Chandraadhi

> > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal

> > > experience,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas

> which

> > > > > appear to

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results

> > shown,

> > > cause

> > > > > > > when we

> > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal

Chart),

> one

> > > planet

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in

Kendra

> and

> > > other

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > go in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid

Yogas

> > weak

> > > in

> > > > > > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from

> Chandrasekharji

> > and

> > > > > others

> > > > > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > 40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was

> written

> > in

> > > > > general

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread

was

> > there

> > > so

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths?

I

> do

> > not

> > > > > think

> > > > > > > so.

> > > > > > > > > Please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never

be

> in

> > > Mutual

> > > > > > > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can

be

> > only 28

> > > > > > > degrees if

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is

> > pretty

> > > > > common

> > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the

> distance

> > > should

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20

> degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k

> > > > > <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%

> > > 40>>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that

when

> > surya

> > > and

> > > > > budh

> > > > > > > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths,

> forms "budha-

> > > > > adhithya"

> > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that

> combustion

> > > > > occurs

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the

surya

> > from

> > > > > behind at

> > > > > > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust

> > > > > in "retograde"

> > > > > > > > > motion

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather

> eclipse

> > the

> > > > > surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a

> chart

> > in

> > > which

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > distance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts.

I

> > > presume

> > > > > here,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or

> unable

> > to

> > > > > perform.

> > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i

> > missing

> > > some

> > > > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct,

the

> > > > > budhaditya

> > > > > > > yoga in

> > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion.

> And

> > do

> > > let

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion,

> > > budhaditya

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > one

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[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar,

You are writing to a person , who had practiced 24 years in KP alone. KP is only one taste from the ocean of astrology and there are still left behind many , you will learn with time.

Inder Jit sahni

-

Bhaskar

Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:28 AM

Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

 

 

Dear Inderjitji,

 

KP is the cream churned from the Milk Parashar. All same actually.

I liked the way you described the 3 Gunas. More planets in any

particular Guna in a chart also decides about the nature of the native

in majority.

 

Best wishes

Bhaskar.

 

, "Inder Jit Sahni"

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> This of course is KP concept which is not absorbed by Vedic , the

correct use of 6th is , it is trine to 2nd house the another being

10th; Lagna being Rajoguni 2nd house is Tamoguni , for any thing to

fructify in real all the three Gunas shall work; 2nd is Earthen

Tamoguna Bhava , means collections possessions etc; 6th is Satoguna

earthen Bhava means your knowledge how to lead , work the knowledge

to collect , service and the 10th is earthen Rajoguna house shows the

Vasna or determinations of an individual to work.

> With Best Wishes,

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

> -

> Bhaskar

>

> Monday, November 27, 2006 7:34 PM

> Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

>

>

> Dear Jagdishji,

>

> Oh yes they should certainly fructify.

> We have Vipareeta Raj Yoga and neech Bhanga RajaYoga

> too, to make this claim strong.

> Apart from that 6th by itself figuring is also a very good

> Bhava for Dhana, because its 12th to the partners,

> which means money will come to us through business dealings,

> partnerships, selling goods to consumers, from servcies given to

> people etc. 6th, 8th and 12th apart fom being dreadful houses fo

> the commonly known reasons, viz.disease,death and

hospitalisation,

> as per law of duality in Nature have their good effects too to

give to

> the native. 8th for example gives inheritance, gratuity, dowry and

> Accident Insurance too among others. Of course for this

> house , positives will be gained only after some tragedy or

> unhappiness

> as per the dictums of this house. The 12th Bhava is very important

> for investments. We see the 12th for all types of investments

> especially for setting up factories, or industry the 12th is a

very

> important Bhava. 5 and 8 is a good Dhana Yoga, 6 and 8 is

> a good Dhana Yoga, 2,6 and 12 is again a Good Yoga for

> wealth coming in after investing etc. You can form your own

> combinations. And of course you must be knowing the already

mentioned

> Yogas in the classics, when the Lords of Dusthanas sit in another

> Dusthana

> its a Raj Yoga. But again when the Planet in power, which makes

the

> Yoga,

> comes as dasha Lord in the life of the native, only then would he

get

> the

> fruits of these Dhana Yogas.

>

> Have You joined my Forum as yet ?

> /

>

> At times I feel I should stop writing in any Forum due to my

blunt

> nature

>

> and free style of writing from the heart I tend to be

misunderstood.

> In this Forum Chandrasekharji whom I do not know and neither have

> any sort of grudge has unnecessary come in my line of fire,

without

> any fault of his neither mines. Actually when I talk strongly on

> Astrology

> pointersI tend to get carried away and cannot accept anything

which

> should be

> supposed to be understood without being having to said or

explained.

> But at the time of writing we forget to stand in the other

persons

> shoes ,

> for a moment which is my fault. I hope not to hurt anyone for

> some time now.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> Dear Bhaskar Ji

> >

> > When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th) then

do

> they fructify ?

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Jagdish

> >

>

> , Prathamesn Chawan

> <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji

> >

> > When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th) then

do

> they fructify ?

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Jagdish

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote: Dear Jagdishji,

> >

> > Hello.

> > After a long time. Nice to see You active.

> > I never knew You were on this Forum.

> > Well You may call me millionare,or a billionare

> > too by inheritance, but nothing in hands.

> > Otherwise living a middle class comfortable life.

> > But if You remember me well then You know I am

> > a king with a Kingdom and without one too.

> > Does not matter.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > , Prathamesn Chawan

> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rampriya Ji

> > >

> > > When 2nd lord is in 8th then person does not talk much.

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, you must be a millionare ?

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > jagdish

> > >

> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote: Dear Rampriyaji,

> > >

> > > My 2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in the 11th in Gemini along

> > > with the Ascendant Lord which is the Sun.

> > > Are you trying to figure any losses due to speech or why

> > > the speech is at times rude or whether the 2nd lord is not

> > > in a right position to be in. If that is the case then there

> > > are other reasons for the same.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , "D Ramapriya"

> <ramapriya.d@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > Is your 2nd lord in the 8th bhava in your chart, by any

> chance?

> > > >

> > > > Ramapriya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate

> > > > > member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know

> > > > > that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of

> > > > > all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri

> > > > > Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will

> > > > > find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but

> > > > > my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my

> > > > > respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean

> > > > > that we show disrespect. But a point.

> > > > >

> > > > > And you should have watched the intent and not the content

> > > > > when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am sure

> > > > > it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to

> > > > > give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the

> > > > > benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to

read

> the

> > > > > same in books available in the market or on websites,

> instead

> > > > > of You spending time on this Basic stuff.

> > > > >

> > > > > No human in the world knows all-total about astrology.

> > > > > I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able to

> > crush

> > > me in

> > > > > many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it

> imply ?

> > > > > Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite

> > universal

> > > that

> > > > > you know part of something and I know part of something,

> but

> > none

> > > of

> > > > > us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-

> gulla

> > > > > about it.

> > > > >

> > > > > I request the members to watch the exchanges only as

healthy

> > > > > astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to

> > > > > astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange

> becomes

> > > > > personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you as

> > > responsible

> > > > > members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting

> fires

> > and

> > > > > hurling brick bats only at one party without contributing

or

> > > > > understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to

> > > > > sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and

> > crtiticse

> > > > > the players on the field playing cricket for India, but

> > actually

> > > > > when one plays then he knows wjats going on.

> > > > >

> > > > > For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and if

> you

> > also

> > > > > notice that is why all my mails have been detailed trying

> to

> > > explain

> > > > > certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does not

> take

> > more

> > > > > than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person

try

> to

> > > write

> > > > > long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know

how

> to

> > be

> > > > > diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions.

When

> > they

> > > talk

> > > > > they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the

heart.

> > > > > Please include me in this category of unpolished,

primitive

> and

> > > > > undiplomatic lot.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > mahaluxmi iyer

> > > > > <astromahaluxmi@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it pained me a lot too.

> > > > > > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in

age

> but

> > > > > knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these

> > > discussions.

> > > > > having read much of the shastras in original samskrit,

has

> also

> > > > > willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members

on

> > this

> > > > > group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing

> any

> > > > > negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast

> > knowledge. i

> > > > > think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as

is

> > evident

> > > > > from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare

> > indeed

> > > to

> > > > > find men of substance who keep their cool despite the

vast

> > > knowledge

> > > > > they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish

> and

> > > deals

> > > > > with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of

> groups,

> > > > > schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and

> not

> > the

> > > > > student or querist's background.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > he certainly deserves respect from us all.

> > > > > > mahalakshmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able

to

> > teach

> > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I

> am

> > > already

> > > > > > into teaching College students."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has

> > contributed

> > > > > much

> > > > > > to this group and to many in this group individually.

> While

> > I

> > > am not

> > > > > > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else,

I

> > would

> > > > > request

> > > > > > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone

else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We do not meet most members of this forum in person,

that

> > should

> > > > > make

> > > > > > us doubly kind towards various contributors.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My 2cents.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Shankar

> > > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrasekharji said-

> > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation

who

> > did

> > > not

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are

evading

> the

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit.

Please

> > allow

> > > me

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

> that

> > part

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > question.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not

> have

> > the

> > > > > luxury

> > > > > > > of calculators, because every astrologer should know

> how

> > to

> > > cast a

> > > > > > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House

> > > division,

> > > > > > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate

> the

> > > Degrees

> > > > > > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should

> know

> > how

> > > > > > > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC

> > > calculation

> > > > > > > of one difference is there.He should also know the

> meaning

> > of

> > > > > > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware

> of

> > the

> > > > > > > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts

> in

> > the

> > > > > > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india.

> If a

> > > > > > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a

> > > mathematical

> > > > > > > Query.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able

> to

> > teach

> > > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when

I

> am

> > > already

> > > > > > > into teaching College students. Its a precious

wasteage

> of

> > > time,

> > > > > > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that

i

> > really

> > > > > feel

> > > > > > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and

> especially

> > > > > > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this

question

> at

> > all.

> > > > > > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting

> the

> > > > > > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may

pick

> up

> > > > > > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find

the

> > > > > > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats

> > wherefrom

> > > > > > > I learnt 20 years back.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked

> > about

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > > being in

> > > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> > definition

> > > of

> > > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at

1degree

> > Aries

> > > and

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler

> what

> > lord

> > > > > ship

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it

even

> > > simpler,

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

> degrees

> > of

> > > each

> > > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > > each rasi?//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you

had

> put

> > a

> > > > > small

> > > > > > > example to make your question logical to

understand.But

> if

> > you

> > > > > > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > > > > > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,,

> the

> > > Lord of

> > > > > > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If

two

> > Bhavas

> > > > > fall in

> > > > > > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for

> both

> > the

> > > > > signs.

> > > > > > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of

> each

> > > Bhava

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person,

and

> > > whether You

> > > > > > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system

> or

> > > whatever.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the

> > benefit

> > > of

> > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask

> > yourself

> > > as

> > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

> chalit

> > > chart.

> > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local

> pandit

> > in a

> > > > > small

> > > > > > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in

a

> > Chart.

> > > Why

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > the software companies since last 30 years existence

in

> > India,

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the

printed

> > chart ?

> > > > > They

> > > > > > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you

see

> a

> > hand

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > talk about general

> > > > > > > character of a person, in the same way only

> > generalisations

> > > can

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions

which

> > will

> > > > > > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of

> the

> > > Chalit

> > > > > > > Chart, no doubt about it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I

> > request

> > > all

> > > > > > > those indulging in this to please do their homework

and

> > have

> > > their

> > > > > > > basics right before putting up questions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -- In <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation

who

> > did

> > > not

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are

evading

> the

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit.

Please

> > allow

> > > me

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

> that

> > part

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked

> about

> > > Lagna

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> > definition

> > > of

> > > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at

1degree

> > Aries

> > > and

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler

> what

> > lord

> > > > > ship

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it

even

> > > simpler,

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

> degrees

> > of

> > > each

> > > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > > each rasi?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the

> > benefit of

> > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask

> > yourself

> > > as

> > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

> chalit

> > > chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone

should

> > know,

> > > but

> > > > > > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most

> of

> > the

> > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when

> they

> > do

> > > not

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit

> chart.Even

> > 30

> > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the

recent

> > lot do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > know,

> > > > > > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude

> to

> > go

> > > to a

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > class/school to study the same, through a

qualified

> > > teacher.

> > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered

> > recently

> > > few

> > > > > weeks

> > > > > > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages

> knew

> > > about

> > > > > it of

> > > > > > > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually

> > without

> > > the

> > > > > use of

> > > > > > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of

> > lordships

> > > > > > > assigned

> > > > > > > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi

> > means ? -

> > > ---

> > > > > > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or

Shripati

> or

> > > > > Placidus,

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you

chose

> > does

> > > not

> > > > > > > matter,

> > > > > > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear

Chandresekharji

> I

> > > would

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early

as

> > > > > possible, as

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > see some potential in you which should not be

> wasted.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in

Vedic

> > > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > > > having

> > > > > > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see

> your

> > > point of

> > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters

> chosen,

> > you

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > stick to

> > > > > > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are

> allotted

> > > when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lagna is

> > > > > > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your

thoughts

> > would

> > > be

> > > > > highly

> > > > > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from

a

> > person

> > > of

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good

> astrologer

> > is a

> > > > > place

> > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known

> among,

> > > > > especially

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence

you

> may

> > not

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya

Vidya

> > > > > > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in

> the

> > > World,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > > > > > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least

to

> > listen

> > > and

> > > > > > > review,

> > > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some

> approach

> > > > > > > suggested. So

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying

Bhava

> > Chalit

> > > and

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to

> > understanbd

> > > many

> > > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common

> approach.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of

a

> > > categorical

> > > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well

> > known. I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > not yet

> > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this

> age

> > to to

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > out if

> > > > > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results

> promised,

> > > even

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am

> nobody to

> > > > > comment.

> > > > > > > I was

> > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood

> by

> > Your

> > > > > > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a

> > general

> > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit

> > term,

> > > cause

> > > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude

> > language.

> > > This

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > neither

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term

> used

> > to

> > > > > make the

> > > > > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and

> > depth of

> > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or

Army

> > > generals,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in

> the

> > > absence

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can

see

> > > hundreds

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and

friends

> and

> > > family

> > > > > > > members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but

> > > actually not

> > > > > > > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and

in

> > > > > Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving

> desired

> > > results

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation

> for

> > why a

> > > > > > > incident

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why

it

> > has

> > > not

> > > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching

for

> > > reasons

> > > > > > > logically,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava

Chalit

> is

> > the

> > > key

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha

> > Yogas in

> > > > > todays

> > > > > > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good

placements

> to

> > see

> > > > > whether

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain

> > > department

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would

become

> a

> > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > not,

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily

happy

> by

> > > > > calling him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be

> found in

> > > > > plenty in

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the

> art

> > of

> > > > > > > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would

this

> Yoga

> > > > > fructify.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to

> know

> > > about

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good

> astrologer

> > in

> > > a

> > > > > small

> > > > > > > > > town too

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you

> happen

> > to

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > and ask

> > > > > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to

predict

> > > > > perfectly

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has

the

> > > required

> > > > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are

reading

> > from

> > > the

> > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the

right

> > way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary

person

> to

> > > person,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of

> approaching

> > > > > matters. We

> > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you

> > mentioned

> > > > > did in

> > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if

> they

> > did

> > > in

> > > > > > > isolation

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts

is

> > > something

> > > > > new

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in

Sanskrit,

> I

> > > assume

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not

comment

> on

> > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have

> read

> > more

> > > > > than 2

> > > > > > > or 3

> > > > > > > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web

as

> even

> > > > > > > calculators

> > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology.

Could

> you

> > > quote

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava

> > Chalit,

> > > as

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > call

> > > > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced

by

> > > rishis.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you

must

> > have

> > > seen

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts

> fructify

> > and

> > > make

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does

> HAS

> > to do

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also

known

> as

> > the

> > > > > Khokha

> > > > > > > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso

> mangoes

> > from

> > > > > > > outside,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe

mangoes.

> > > Otherwise

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in

> > > millions of

> > > > > > > peoples

> > > > > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually

to

> be

> > made

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do

> not

> > > know,

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3

> > books or

> > > > > > > visiting

> > > > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of

Bhava

> > Chalit

> > > > > (Cuspal

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ?

For

> the

> > > simple

> > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean

> > combinations if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are

> positioned

> > > become

> > > > > > > secondary

> > > > > > > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real

> > sense of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > term,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do

not

> > > > > understand .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not

have

> so

> > many

> > > > > > > planets to

> > > > > > > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of

> > > Chandradi

> > > > > Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in

> this

> > > case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it

strictly

> > means

> > > > > > > > > combinations in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava

> Chalit

> > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking

> on

> > the

> > > road

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a

Panchamahapurusha

> > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a

> > astrologer

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I

> mentioned

> > in

> > > my

> > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked

> whether

> > it

> > > > > mantains

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the

> Bhava

> > > Chalit

> > > > > > > then it

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming

> this

> > > > > strongly

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the

> > discussion

> > > on

> > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava

> > chalit,

> > > which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has

> to

> > do

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and

positive

> > yogas

> > > and

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving

at

> the

> > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must

> also

> > try

> > > to

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will

give

> > > positive

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying

> > Scorpio

> > > and

> > > > > > > Venus in

> > > > > > > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini

with

> Sun

> > > also

> > > > > in,

> > > > > > > say,

> > > > > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the

> results

> > of

> > > > > > > Chandraadhi

> > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal

> > > experience,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas

> which

> > > > > appear to

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results

> > shown,

> > > cause

> > > > > > > when we

> > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal

Chart),

> one

> > > planet

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in

Kendra

> and

> > > other

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > go in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid

Yogas

> > weak

> > > in

> > > > > > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from

> Chandrasekharji

> > and

> > > > > others

> > > > > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > 40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was

> written

> > in

> > > > > general

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread

was

> > there

> > > so

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths?

I

> do

> > not

> > > > > think

> > > > > > > so.

> > > > > > > > > Please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never

be

> in

> > > Mutual

> > > > > > > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can

be

> > only 28

> > > > > > > degrees if

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is

> > pretty

> > > > > common

> > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the

> distance

> > > should

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20

> degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k

> > > > > <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%

> > > 40>>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that

when

> > surya

> > > and

> > > > > budh

> > > > > > > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths,

> forms "budha-

> > > > > adhithya"

> > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that

> combustion

> > > > > occurs

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the

surya

> > from

> > > > > behind at

> > > > > > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust

> > > > > in "retograde"

> > > > > > > > > motion

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather

> eclipse

> > the

> > > > > surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a

> chart

> > in

> > > which

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > distance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts.

I

> > > presume

> > > > > here,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or

> unable

> > to

> > > > > perform.

> > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i

> > missing

> > > some

> > > > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct,

the

> > > > > budhaditya

> > > > > > > yoga in

> > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion.

> And

> > do

> > > let

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion,

> > > budhaditya

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than

> half

> > the

> > > > > world's

> > > > > > > > > > > population

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of

> this

> > > message

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------

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> > > ----

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this

> > incoming

> > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG Free

> Edition.

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> > > Database:

> > > > > > > > > > > 268.14.6/536 -

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DearSahni Sahab,

 

Of course, I know you know little about KP, but I did not see

you using the Ruling Planets in Rampriyas case, I thought you would,

because that would make the use of KP perfect in this case.

 

Ashtakvarga is also from the same Ocean and so is Jaimini.

Thats why I said its the same source.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "Inder Jit Sahni"

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

> You are writing to a person , who had practiced 24 years in KP

alone. KP is only one taste from the ocean of astrology and there are

still left behind many , you will learn with time.

> Inder Jit sahni

> -

> Bhaskar

>

> Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:28 AM

> Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

>

>

> Dear Inderjitji,

>

> KP is the cream churned from the Milk Parashar. All same actually.

> I liked the way you described the 3 Gunas. More planets in any

> particular Guna in a chart also decides about the nature of the

native

> in majority.

>

> Best wishes

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "Inder Jit Sahni"

> <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote:

> >

> > This of course is KP concept which is not absorbed by Vedic ,

the

> correct use of 6th is , it is trine to 2nd house the another

being

> 10th; Lagna being Rajoguni 2nd house is Tamoguni , for any thing

to

> fructify in real all the three Gunas shall work; 2nd is Earthen

> Tamoguna Bhava , means collections possessions etc; 6th is

Satoguna

> earthen Bhava means your knowledge how to lead , work the

knowledge

> to collect , service and the 10th is earthen Rajoguna house shows

the

> Vasna or determinations of an individual to work.

> > With Best Wishes,

> > Inder Jit Sahni

> >

> > -

> > Bhaskar

> >

> > Monday, November 27, 2006 7:34 PM

> > Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

> >

> >

> > Dear Jagdishji,

> >

> > Oh yes they should certainly fructify.

> > We have Vipareeta Raj Yoga and neech Bhanga RajaYoga

> > too, to make this claim strong.

> > Apart from that 6th by itself figuring is also a very good

> > Bhava for Dhana, because its 12th to the partners,

> > which means money will come to us through business dealings,

> > partnerships, selling goods to consumers, from servcies given to

> > people etc. 6th, 8th and 12th apart fom being dreadful houses fo

> > the commonly known reasons, viz.disease,death and

> hospitalisation,

> > as per law of duality in Nature have their good effects too to

> give to

> > the native. 8th for example gives inheritance, gratuity, dowry

and

> > Accident Insurance too among others. Of course for this

> > house , positives will be gained only after some tragedy or

> > unhappiness

> > as per the dictums of this house. The 12th Bhava is very

important

> > for investments. We see the 12th for all types of investments

> > especially for setting up factories, or industry the 12th is a

> very

> > important Bhava. 5 and 8 is a good Dhana Yoga, 6 and 8 is

> > a good Dhana Yoga, 2,6 and 12 is again a Good Yoga for

> > wealth coming in after investing etc. You can form your own

> > combinations. And of course you must be knowing the already

> mentioned

> > Yogas in the classics, when the Lords of Dusthanas sit in

another

> > Dusthana

> > its a Raj Yoga. But again when the Planet in power, which makes

> the

> > Yoga,

> > comes as dasha Lord in the life of the native, only then would

he

> get

> > the

> > fruits of these Dhana Yogas.

> >

> > Have You joined my Forum as yet ?

> > /

> >

> > At times I feel I should stop writing in any Forum due to my

> blunt

> > nature

> >

> > and free style of writing from the heart I tend to be

> misunderstood.

> > In this Forum Chandrasekharji whom I do not know and neither

have

> > any sort of grudge has unnecessary come in my line of fire,

> without

> > any fault of his neither mines. Actually when I talk strongly

on

> > Astrology

> > pointersI tend to get carried away and cannot accept anything

> which

> > should be

> > supposed to be understood without being having to said or

> explained.

> > But at the time of writing we forget to stand in the other

> persons

> > shoes ,

> > for a moment which is my fault. I hope not to hurt anyone for

> > some time now.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji

> > >

> > > When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th)

then

> do

> > they fructify ?

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > Jagdish

> > >

> >

> > , Prathamesn Chawan

> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar Ji

> > >

> > > When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th)

then

> do

> > they fructify ?

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > Jagdish

> > >

> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote: Dear Jagdishji,

> > >

> > > Hello.

> > > After a long time. Nice to see You active.

> > > I never knew You were on this Forum.

> > > Well You may call me millionare,or a billionare

> > > too by inheritance, but nothing in hands.

> > > Otherwise living a middle class comfortable life.

> > > But if You remember me well then You know I am

> > > a king with a Kingdom and without one too.

> > > Does not matter.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > > , Prathamesn Chawan

> > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rampriya Ji

> > > >

> > > > When 2nd lord is in 8th then person does not talk much.

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, you must be a millionare ?

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > >

> > > > jagdish

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote: Dear Rampriyaji,

> > > >

> > > > My 2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in the 11th in Gemini along

> > > > with the Ascendant Lord which is the Sun.

> > > > Are you trying to figure any losses due to speech or why

> > > > the speech is at times rude or whether the 2nd lord is not

> > > > in a right position to be in. If that is the case then

there

> > > > are other reasons for the same.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , "D Ramapriya"

> > <ramapriya.d@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Is your 2nd lord in the 8th bhava in your chart, by any

> > chance?

> > > > >

> > > > > Ramapriya

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate

> > > > > > member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know

> > > > > > that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of

> > > > > > all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri

> > > > > > Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will

> > > > > > find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but

> > > > > > my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my

> > > > > > respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean

> > > > > > that we show disrespect. But a point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And you should have watched the intent and not the

content

> > > > > > when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am

sure

> > > > > > it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to

> > > > > > give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the

> > > > > > benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to

> read

> > the

> > > > > > same in books available in the market or on websites,

> > instead

> > > > > > of You spending time on this Basic stuff.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No human in the world knows all-total about astrology.

> > > > > > I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able

to

> > > crush

> > > > me in

> > > > > > many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it

> > imply ?

> > > > > > Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite

> > > universal

> > > > that

> > > > > > you know part of something and I know part of

something,

> > but

> > > none

> > > > of

> > > > > > us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-

> > gulla

> > > > > > about it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I request the members to watch the exchanges only as

> healthy

> > > > > > astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to

> > > > > > astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange

> > becomes

> > > > > > personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you

as

> > > > responsible

> > > > > > members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting

> > fires

> > > and

> > > > > > hurling brick bats only at one party without

contributing

> or

> > > > > > understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to

> > > > > > sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and

> > > crtiticse

> > > > > > the players on the field playing cricket for India, but

> > > actually

> > > > > > when one plays then he knows wjats going on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and

if

> > you

> > > also

> > > > > > notice that is why all my mails have been detailed

trying

> > to

> > > > explain

> > > > > > certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does

not

> > take

> > > more

> > > > > > than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person

> try

> > to

> > > > write

> > > > > > long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know

> how

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > > diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions.

> When

> > > they

> > > > talk

> > > > > > they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the

> heart.

> > > > > > Please include me in this category of unpolished,

> primitive

> > and

> > > > > > undiplomatic lot.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > mahaluxmi iyer

> > > > > > <astromahaluxmi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it pained me a lot too.

> > > > > > > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in

> age

> > but

> > > > > > knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these

> > > > discussions.

> > > > > > having read much of the shastras in original samskrit,

> has

> > also

> > > > > > willingly shared many gems of explanataions with

members

> on

> > > this

> > > > > > group. is humble and answers all queries without

allowing

> > any

> > > > > > negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast

> > > knowledge. i

> > > > > > think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as

> is

> > > evident

> > > > > > from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is

rare

> > > indeed

> > > > to

> > > > > > find men of substance who keep their cool despite the

> vast

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not

clannish

> > and

> > > > deals

> > > > > > with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of

> > groups,

> > > > > > schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key

and

> > not

> > > the

> > > > > > student or querist's background.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > he certainly deserves respect from us all.

> > > > > > > mahalakshmi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not

able

> to

> > > teach

> > > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when

I

> > am

> > > > already

> > > > > > > into teaching College students."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has

> > > contributed

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > to this group and to many in this group individually.

> > While

> > > I

> > > > am not

> > > > > > > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone

else,

> I

> > > would

> > > > > > request

> > > > > > > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone

> else.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We do not meet most members of this forum in person,

> that

> > > should

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > us doubly kind towards various contributors.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My 2cents.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Shankar

> > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrasekharji said-

> > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation

> who

> > > did

> > > > not

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are

> evading

> > the

> > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit.

> Please

> > > allow

> > > > me

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

> > that

> > > part

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > question.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did

not

> > have

> > > the

> > > > > > luxury

> > > > > > > > of calculators, because every astrologer should

know

> > how

> > > to

> > > > cast a

> > > > > > > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal

House

> > > > division,

> > > > > > > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to

calculate

> > the

> > > > Degrees

> > > > > > > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses.

Should

> > know

> > > how

> > > > > > > > much and where the difference will come even if

RAMC

> > > > calculation

> > > > > > > > of one difference is there.He should also know the

> > meaning

> > > of

> > > > > > > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be

aware

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > developments and improvisations done by the

stalwarts

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if

india.

> > If a

> > > > > > > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a

> > > > mathematical

> > > > > > > > Query.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not

able

> > to

> > > teach

> > > > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school,

when

> I

> > am

> > > > already

> > > > > > > > into teaching College students. Its a precious

> wasteage

> > of

> > > > time,

> > > > > > > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from

that

> i

> > > really

> > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and

> > especially

> > > > > > > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this

> question

> > at

> > > all.

> > > > > > > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and

meeting

> > the

> > > > > > > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may

> pick

> > up

> > > > > > > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will

find

> the

> > > > > > > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats

> > > wherefrom

> > > > > > > > I learnt 20 years back.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I

asked

> > > about

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > being in

> > > > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> > > definition

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at

> 1degree

> > > Aries

> > > > and

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even

simpler

> > what

> > > lord

> > > > > > ship

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it

> even

> > > > simpler,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

> > degrees

> > > of

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > > > each rasi?//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you

> had

> > put

> > > a

> > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > example to make your question logical to

> understand.But

> > if

> > > you

> > > > > > > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > > > > > > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the

Bhava/Cusp,,

> > the

> > > > Lord of

> > > > > > > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If

> two

> > > Bhavas

> > > > > > fall in

> > > > > > > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for

> > both

> > > the

> > > > > > signs.

> > > > > > > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees

of

> > each

> > > > Bhava

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person,

> and

> > > > whether You

> > > > > > > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house

system

> > or

> > > > whatever.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without

the

> > > benefit

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should

ask

> > > yourself

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

> > chalit

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local

> > pandit

> > > in a

> > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit

in

> a

> > > Chart.

> > > > Why

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > the software companies since last 30 years

existence

> in

> > > India,

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the

> printed

> > > chart ?

> > > > > > They

> > > > > > > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you

> see

> > a

> > > hand

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > talk about general

> > > > > > > > character of a person, in the same way only

> > > generalisations

> > > > can

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions

> which

> > > will

> > > > > > > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help

of

> > the

> > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > Chart, no doubt about it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious

time.I

> > > request

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > those indulging in this to please do their homework

> and

> > > have

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > basics right before putting up questions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -- In <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation

> who

> > > did

> > > > not

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are

> evading

> > the

> > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit.

> Please

> > > allow

> > > > me

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

> > that

> > > part

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked

> > about

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> > > definition

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at

> 1degree

> > > Aries

> > > > and

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even

simpler

> > what

> > > lord

> > > > > > ship

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it

> even

> > > > simpler,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

> > degrees

> > > of

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > > > each rasi?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the

> > > benefit of

> > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should

ask

> > > yourself

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

> > chalit

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone

> should

> > > know,

> > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that

most

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict

when

> > they

> > > do

> > > > not

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit

> > chart.Even

> > > 30

> > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the

> recent

> > > lot do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > know,

> > > > > > > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the

aptitude

> > to

> > > go

> > > > to a

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > class/school to study the same, through a

> qualified

> > > > teacher.

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered

> > > recently

> > > > few

> > > > > > weeks

> > > > > > > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient

sages

> > knew

> > > > about

> > > > > > it of

> > > > > > > > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually

> > > without

> > > > the

> > > > > > use of

> > > > > > > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question

of

> > > lordships

> > > > > > > > assigned

> > > > > > > > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a

Rashi

> > > means ? -

> > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or

> Shripati

> > or

> > > > > > Placidus,

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you

> chose

> > > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > matter,

> > > > > > > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear

> Chandresekharji

> > I

> > > > would

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as

early

> as

> > > > > > possible, as

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > see some potential in you which should not be

> > wasted.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

<%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in

> Vedic

> > > > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > > > > having

> > > > > > > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see

> > your

> > > > point of

> > > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters

> > chosen,

> > > you

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > stick to

> > > > > > > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are

> > allotted

> > > > when

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > lagna is

> > > > > > > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your

> thoughts

> > > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > highly

> > > > > > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come

from

> a

> > > person

> > > > of

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good

> > astrologer

> > > is a

> > > > > > place

> > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known

> > among,

> > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence

> you

> > may

> > > not

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya

> Vidya

> > > > > > > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best

in

> > the

> > > > World,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass

out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least

> to

> > > listen

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > review,

> > > > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some

> > approach

> > > > > > > > suggested. So

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying

> Bhava

> > > Chalit

> > > > and

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to

> > > understanbd

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common

> > approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because

of

> a

> > > > categorical

> > > > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being

well

> > > known. I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > not yet

> > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of

this

> > age

> > > to to

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > out if

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results

> > promised,

> > > > even

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am

> > nobody to

> > > > > > comment.

> > > > > > > > I was

> > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been

misunderstood

> > by

> > > Your

> > > > > > > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was

a

> > > general

> > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a

Sanskrit

> > > term,

> > > > cause

> > > > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude

> > > language.

> > > > This

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > neither

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a

term

> > used

> > > to

> > > > > > make the

> > > > > > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning

and

> > > depth of

> > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or

> Army

> > > > generals,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts,

in

> > the

> > > > absence

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can

> see

> > > > hundreds

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and

> friends

> > and

> > > > family

> > > > > > > > members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas,

but

> > > > actually not

> > > > > > > > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations

and

> in

> > > > > > Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving

> > desired

> > > > results

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of

the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound

explanation

> > for

> > > why a

> > > > > > > > incident

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or

why

> it

> > > has

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching

> for

> > > > reasons

> > > > > > > > logically,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava

> Chalit

> > is

> > > the

> > > > key

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek

PanchaMahapurusha

> > > Yogas in

> > > > > > todays

> > > > > > > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good

> placements

> > to

> > > see

> > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a

certain

> > > > department

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would

> become

> > a

> > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > not,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily

> happy

> > by

> > > > > > calling him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be

> > found in

> > > > > > plenty in

> > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is

the

> > art

> > > of

> > > > > > > > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would

> this

> > Yoga

> > > > > > fructify.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics

to

> > know

> > > > about

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good

> > astrologer

> > > in

> > > > a

> > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > > > town too

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you

> > happen

> > > to

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > and ask

> > > > > > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to

> predict

> > > > > > perfectly

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has

> the

> > > > required

> > > > > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are

> reading

> > > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the

> right

> > > way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary

> person

> > to

> > > > person,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of

> > approaching

> > > > > > matters. We

> > > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas

you

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > did in

> > > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if

> > they

> > > did

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > isolation

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts

> is

> > > > something

> > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in

> Sanskrit,

> > I

> > > > assume

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not

> comment

> > on

> > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I

have

> > read

> > > more

> > > > > > than 2

> > > > > > > > or 3

> > > > > > > > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web

> as

> > even

> > > > > > > > calculators

> > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology.

> Could

> > you

> > > > quote

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on

Bhava

> > > Chalit,

> > > > as

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > call

> > > > > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or

practiced

> by

> > > > rishis.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you

> must

> > > have

> > > > seen

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts

> > fructify

> > > and

> > > > make

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas

does

> > HAS

> > > to do

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also

> known

> > as

> > > the

> > > > > > Khokha

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso

> > mangoes

> > > from

> > > > > > > > outside,

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe

> mangoes.

> > > > Otherwise

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying

in

> > > > millions of

> > > > > > > > peoples

> > > > > > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually

> to

> > be

> > > made

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers

do

> > not

> > > > know,

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-

3

> > > books or

> > > > > > > > visiting

> > > > > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of

> Bhava

> > > Chalit

> > > > > > (Cuspal

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ?

> For

> > the

> > > > simple

> > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean

> > > combinations if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are

> > positioned

> > > > become

> > > > > > > > secondary

> > > > > > > > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the

real

> > > sense of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > term,

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I

do

> not

> > > > > > understand .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not

> have

> > so

> > > many

> > > > > > > > planets to

> > > > > > > > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds

of

> > > > Chandradi

> > > > > > Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to

in

> > this

> > > > case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it

> strictly

> > > means

> > > > > > > > > > combinations in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava

> > Chalit

> > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person

walking

> > on

> > > the

> > > > road

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a

> Panchamahapurusha

> > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I

> > mentioned

> > > in

> > > > my

> > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked

> > whether

> > > it

> > > > > > mantains

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in

the

> > Bhava

> > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > then it

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am

claiming

> > this

> > > > > > strongly

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the

> > > discussion

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava

> > > chalit,

> > > > which

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason

has

> > to

> > > do

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and

> positive

> > > yogas

> > > > and

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before

arriving

> at

> > the

> > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must

> > also

> > > try

> > > > to

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will

> give

> > > > positive

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is

occupying

> > > Scorpio

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Venus in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini

> with

> > Sun

> > > > also

> > > > > > in,

> > > > > > > > say,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the

> > results

> > > of

> > > > > > > > Chandraadhi

> > > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal

> > > > experience,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas

Yogas

> > which

> > > > > > appear to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the

results

> > > shown,

> > > > cause

> > > > > > > > when we

> > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal

> Chart),

> > one

> > > > planet

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in

> Kendra

> > and

> > > > other

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > go in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid

> Yogas

> > > weak

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from

> > Chandrasekharji

> > > and

> > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > 40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was

> > written

> > > in

> > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread

> was

> > > there

> > > > so

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually

sevenths?

> I

> > do

> > > not

> > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > so.

> > > > > > > > > > Please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can

never

> be

> > in

> > > > Mutual

> > > > > > > > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can

> be

> > > only 28

> > > > > > > > degrees if

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It

is

> > > pretty

> > > > > > common

> > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the

> > distance

> > > > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20

> > degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06,

ashwin_062k

> > > > > > <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%

> > > > 40>>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that

> when

> > > surya

> > > > and

> > > > > > budh

> > > > > > > > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths,

> > forms "budha-

> > > > > > adhithya"

> > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that

> > combustion

> > > > > > occurs

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the

> surya

> > > from

> > > > > > behind at

> > > > > > > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets

combust

> > > > > > in "retograde"

> > > > > > > > > > motion

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather

> > eclipse

> > > the

> > > > > > surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a

> > chart

> > > in

> > > > which

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > distance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8

mts.

> I

> > > > presume

> > > > > > here,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or

> > unable

> > > to

> > > > > > perform.

> > > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am

i

> > > missing

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct,

> the

> > > > > > budhaditya

> > > > > > > > yoga in

> > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of

combustion.

> > And

> > > do

> > > > let

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal

opinion,

> > > > budhaditya

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more

than

> > half

> > > the

> > > > > > world's

> > > > > > > > > > > > population

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[Guest guest]

On 11/28/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

>

> DearSahni Sahab,

>

> Of course, I know you know little about KP

>

 

Sigh... slander unabated.

[Guest guest]

Dear RamPriya,

 

You are spoiling your own image by doing this type of lower

grade behaviours. How will you be able to mantain respect from

the old contacts and the new ones with this sort of womanly

type cheeky-neeky absolute sissy and nigger behaviour.This

is not manliness.Trying to poison others.

 

I do not attack a person, but his knowledge, to know his depth, which

you will never understand. But you attack and hurt deliberately,

and get sadistic or shall I say sodomic fun (Cause you hurt your own

Group Members).

 

Do you know the people who create fights between others, how they are

re-born as ? I need not say. You will come to know soon. This

behaviour is unpardonable in His Kingdom, I am being very patient

with you uptil now, allowing your skirmishes and slanderous behaviour

as a small childs who is having some fun, but you are bent on

creating and spoiling the atmoshphere of this Divine forum.

 

Please note whenever I had an argument with any member, it was on

astrological issues, but You know what You are doing.

Just wasting your time and little bit divinity in You, due to the

name of yours.

 

Hope good sense prevails in you and you stop trying to create venom

in others.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d

wrote:

>

> On 11/28/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> >

> > DearSahni Sahab,

> >

> > Of course, I know you know little about KP

> >

>

> Sigh... slander unabated.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrashekhar ji

 

Thanks for sharing Dr.SuryaNarainRaos views.

On poetry i have read somewhere - If Sahitya or language is lacking

poetry is bad.If Bhavana is lacking Poetry is bad.If either of them

is out of proportion or more,still it is bad.When they have the

ideal mix,it can be called as a great work.

 

I feel the same in the case of astrology too.One should know the

fundamentals well,but astrology is not a mathematical theorem.

 

Thanks again for such brilliant views ,which can only come from

great astrologers and can be absorbed only by experienced

astrologers like you.

 

Respect

Pradeep

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> I see that you are even now avoiding answers to direct questions

and

> only two that I asked you. It seems you do not wish to answer the

> questions about how to deal with bhava ownership as the village

> astrologers for their knowledge of chalit horoscope, whom you

extol for

> their knowledge of chalit, do not use bhava lordships in

predictions.

> That is strange indeed.

>

> It is of no interest to me whether you teach college students or

school

> students. We are talking of Vedic astrology, if I am not mistaken,

and

> that was taught in Gurukula and not in colleges like those of

today.

>

> Anyway since you are not averse to read Ramkumar Ojha's books, I

hope

> you sometime also read Pt. Gopeshkumar Ojha's opinion on Chalit

charts.

>

> As to your lengthy comments about astrologers needing to be

experts at

> calculations and astronomy (I presume), could I draw your

attention to

> comments of B. Surya Narain rao in Sarvartha Chintamani, whom I

hope you

> do not consider incapable of astrological calculations. I am sure

a

> person like you who teaches only college students knows of B.

Surya

> Narain rao, but for the knowledge of those on the list who are not

> aware, he was the founder of the Astrological Magazine and the

grand

> father of the venerated Dr. B. V. Raman who was called the modern

day

> Varaha Mihira.

>

> B. Surya Narain rao Sarvartha Chintamani Vol1 page 123.

> "There are now many Jyotishis-astrologers and there are also many

> siddhantees-astronomers. A happy combinations of the two in one

and the

> same individual is a rarity and we may count their names almost on

our

> finger's ends. While mathematics are absolutely necessary for all

> astrological calculations they deprive the possessor of that

> mathematical ability and acumen, the excellent judgement-power in

> prediction, which will be developed in a man, who entirely devoted

> himself to the predictive portion of it and to the observation of

men

> who are so many results of planetary influences. The best

astronomers,

> as a class, are sorry predictors, while the best astrologers guess

the

> combinations of planets almost instinctively, at the time of birth

of a

> person, without even a pretense of making the elementary

calculations."

>

> Of course you may brush opinion of B. Surya Narain rao as he did

not

> teach college students in his days, aside.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> >

> > Chandrasekharji said-

> > //

> > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not

have

> > the

> > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the

question

> > asked

> > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me

to

> > fulfill

> > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of

the

> > question.//

> >

> > Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the

luxury

> > of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to cast

a

> > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House division,

> > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the Degrees

> > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how

> > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC calculation

> > of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of

> > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the

> > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the

> > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a

> > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a mathematical

> > Query.

> >

> > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach

> > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am

already

> > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of time,

> > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really

feel

> > sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially

> > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all.

> > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the

> > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up

> > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the

> > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom

> > I learnt 20 years back.

> >

> > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna

> > being in

> > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of

> > rasis in

> > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and

when

> > it

> > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord

ship

> > will

> > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler,

if

> > you

> > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each

> > bhava in

> > > each rasi?//

> >

> > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a

small

> > example to make your question logical to understand.But if you

> > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the Lord of

> > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas

fall in

> > the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the

signs.

> > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each Bhava

in

> > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and whether

You

> > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or

whatever.

> >

> > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of

> > Bhava

> > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as

> > according

> > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart.

> > > //

> >

> > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a

small

> > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart.

Why are

> > the software companies since last 30 years existence in India,

have

> > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ?

They

> > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand

and

> > talk about general

> > character of a person, in the same way only generalisations can

be

> > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will

> > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the Chalit

> > Chart, no doubt about it.

> >

> > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request all

> > those indulging in this to please do their homework and have

their

> > basics right before putting up questions.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > -- In

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not

have

> > the

> > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the

question

> > asked

> > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me

to

> > fulfill

> > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of

the

> > question.

> > >

> > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna

being

> > in

> > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of

> > rasis in

> > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and

when

> > it

> > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord

ship

> > will

> > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler,

if

> > you

> > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each

> > bhava in

> > > each rasi?

> > >

> > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of

Bhava

> > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as

> > according

> > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > >

> > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but

> > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the

> > astrologers

> > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do

not know

> > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30

years

> > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do

not

> > know,

> > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a

good

> > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher.

> > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few

weeks

> > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about

it of

> > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > >

> > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the

use of

> > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships

> > assigned

> > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > >

> > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ----

> > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or

Placidus,

> > from

> > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not

> > matter,

> > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would

like

> > you

> > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as

possible, as

> > I

> > > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic

astrology,

> > > > having

> > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of

> > view.

> > > > As

> > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you

should

> > > > stick to

> > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when

the

> > > > lagna is

> > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be

highly

> > > > > appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of

my

> > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a

place

> > where

> > > > I

> > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among,

especially

> > the

> > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not

find

> > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya

> > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World,

and

> > from

> > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and

> > review,

> > > > may

> > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach

> > suggested. So

> > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit

and then

> > > > using

> > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many

> > > > questions

> > > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a

categorical

> > > > statement

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I

have

> > not yet

> > > > > > found

> > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to

find

> > out if

> > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even

when

> > the

> > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to

comment.

> > I was

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your

> > goodself.

> > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general

comment

> > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause

> > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language.

This is

> > > > neither

> > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to

make the

> > > > modern

> > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of

what is

> > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army

generals, I

> > would

> > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the

absence of

> > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds

of

> > charts

> > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family

> > members,

> > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually

not

> > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in

Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired

results in

> > real

> > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a

> > incident

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not

> > happened.

> > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons

> > logically,

> > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the

key for

> > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in

todays

> > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see

whether

> > the

> > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department

or

> > not.

> > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a

Mahapurusha

> > or

> > > > not,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by

calling him

> > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in

plenty in

> > many

> > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of

> > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga

fructify.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about

the

> > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a

small

> > > > town too

> > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to

know

> > and ask

> > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict

perfectly

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required

> > intuition

> > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the

natal

> > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to

person, and

> > so

> > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching

matters. We

> > > > shall

> > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned

did in

> > fact

> > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in

> > isolation

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something

new

> > that

> > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume

it

> > is the

> > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more

than 2

> > or 3

> > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even

> > calculators

> > > > were

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote

any

> > > > classic

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as

you

> > call

> > > > it?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen

all

> > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make

> > people

> > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do

with

> > Bhava

> > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the

Khokha

> > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from

> > outside,

> > > > but

> > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes.

Otherwise how

> > do

> > > > we

> > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of

> > peoples

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made

from

> > the

> > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know,

for

> > they

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or

> > visiting

> > > > few

> > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit

(Cuspal

> > in

> > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple

> > reason

> > > > that

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if

you

> > quote

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become

> > secondary

> > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of

the

> > term,

> > > > but

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not

understand .

> > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many

> > planets to

> > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi

Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ?

> > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means

> > > > combinations in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart,

> > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road

> > would

> > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer

should

> > do

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my

mail

> > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it

mantains

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit

> > then it

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this

strongly

> > with

> > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on

> > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit,

which is

> > not a

> > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with

the

> > fact

> > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and

an

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the

possible

> > > > results

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to

find

> > out

> > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive

or

> > > > negative

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and

> > Venus in

> > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also

in,

> > say,

> > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of

> > Chandraadhi

> > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience,

the

> > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which

appear to

> > be

> > > > so

> > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause

> > when we

> > > > see

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one

planet may

> > go

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other

may

> > go in

> > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in

> > giving the

> > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and

others

> > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in

general

> > and

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so

my

> > mail

> > > > went

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not

think

> > so.

> > > > Please

> > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual

> > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28

> > degrees if

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty

common

> > yoga.

> > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should

be

> > more

> > > > than

> > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k

<ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and

budh

> > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-

adhithya"

> > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion

occurs

> > when

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from

behind at

> > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust

in "retograde"

> > > > motion

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the

surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in

which the

> > > > distance

> > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume

here,

> > the

> > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to

perform.

> > In

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some

> > basic

> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the

budhaditya

> > yoga in

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let

me

> > have a

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya

is

> > one

> > > > > > awfully

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[Guest guest]

dear bhaskar

thank you for your mail.

it was with a heavy heart i wrote that mail. i am glad you took it in the right spirit.

also i must once again thank you for your divine diwali gift of the e-book on swami yogananda's life. even though i suffered from severe conjuctivitis this past fornight i read a few chapters each day. such was my interest in it. what i read lifted my spirits. i will never be able to forget this kind gesture of yours, ever. i have shared this book with my elder sister who is also a very spiritual person and to whom i owe my early interest in spirituality.

since these past 10 months i have turned to shri chandrashekharji to guide me on spirituality as well as clear any astological doubts i may have.

i must say never once has he hinted that he is the guru and i am a learner. he is always gracious and says with all humility that the learning process is mutual for the guru as well as the learner. he and i both believe that this is indeed the right approach.

he is also very witty with his wisdom. read this reply to a query of mine regarding knowledge being exclusive to only a few,etc and you will understand why he gets so much of my respect and regard.

"You will always find what you want to find. That is the path of knowledge. That is why knowledge is equated to light. It can not remain in dark forever. One who has eyesight is going to see it". there's so much truth in this statement.

 

there is mutual respect and no one feels superior to the other. its the knowledge per se and not the 'I' or 'me' which comes between knowledge seeking. i always remind myself of arjuna who could see only the 'eye' of the fish when all the princes were asked by guru dronacharya to take aim at the eye of this fish. such was his single-minded focus.

the journey is peaceful due to mutual respect. its rare to see a guru like him who says he can do without the guru mantle as he is also a learner even now. how very true for all of us. we never stop learning throughout our lives.

now you will truly understand why i had to write that mail knowing this great man and his true in-depth knowledge.

i have no right to hurt your feelings. i am truly sorry for the same once again.

each day when i open the e-book i pray for your happiness and success in whatever you are doing in return for the wonderful gift you gave me.

god bless us all and make us forget all bitterness but keep the humuor intact.

mahalakshmi

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Mahalakshmiji,

 

No please do not embarass me. On the other hand I am feeling

bad that that because of my style of writings I have caused pain

to few members.

Please, no need to affix ji and all that. This does not make

me happy or sad. I am really above these things. When I mentioned

this,it was just to show that I was not in anyway disrespecting

the other member.

 

Best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

, mahaluxmi iyer

<astromahaluxmi wrote:

>

> bhaskar ji

> i am sorry if i have hurt you but thats how i felt. in my last

post i had not addressed you as ji and this time i have rectified

that mistake also.

> mahalakshmi

>

>

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji,

>

> I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate

> member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know

> that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of

> all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri

> Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will

> find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but

> my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my

> respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean

> that we show disrespect. But a point.

>

> And you should have watched the intent and not the content

> when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am sure

> it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to

> give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the

> benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to read the

> same in books available in the market or on websites, instead

> of You spending time on this Basic stuff.

>

> No human in the world knows all-total about astrology.

> I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able to crush me

in

> many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it imply ?

> Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite universal

that

> you know part of something and I know part of something, but none

of

> us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-gulla

> about it.

>

> I request the members to watch the exchanges only as healthy

> astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to

> astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange becomes

> personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you as

responsible

> members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting fires and

> hurling brick bats only at one party without contributing or

> understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to

> sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and crtiticse

> the players on the field playing cricket for India, but actually

> when one plays then he knows wjats going on.

>

> For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and if you also

> notice that is why all my mails have been detailed trying to

explain

> certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does not take more

> than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person try to write

> long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know how to be

> diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions. When they

talk

> they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the heart.

> Please include me in this category of unpolished, primitive and

> undiplomatic lot.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , mahaluxmi iyer

> <astromahaluxmi@> wrote:

> >

> > it pained me a lot too.

> > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in age but

> knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these discussions.

> having read much of the shastras in original samskrit, has also

> willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members on this

> group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing any

> negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast knowledge. i

> think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as is evident

> from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare indeed to

> find men of substance who keep their cool despite the vast

knowledge

> they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish and deals

> with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of groups,

> schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and not the

> student or querist's background.

> >

> > he certainly deserves respect from us all.

> > mahalakshmi

> >

> >

> >

> > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote:

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji:

> >

> > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach

> > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already

> > into teaching College students."

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has contributed

> much

> > to this group and to many in this group individually. While I am

not

> > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else, I would

> request

> > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone else.

> >

> > We do not meet most members of this forum in person, that should

> make

> > us doubly kind towards various contributors.

> >

> > My 2cents.

> >

> > Regards

> > Shankar

> > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > >

> > > Chandrasekharji said-

> > > //

> > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not

> have

> > > the

> > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the

> question

> > > asked

> > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me

> to

> > > fulfill

> > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part

of

> the

> > > question.//

> > >

> > >

> > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the

> luxury

> > > of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to

cast a

> > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House division,

> > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the

Degrees

> > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how

> > > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC calculation

> > > of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of

> > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the

> > > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the

> > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a

> > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a

mathematical

> > > Query.

> > >

> > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach

> > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am

already

> > > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of

time,

> > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really

> feel

> > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially

> > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all.

> > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the

> > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up

> > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the

> > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom

> > > I learnt 20 years back.

> > >

> > >

> > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about

Lagna

> > > being in

> > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition

of

> > > rasis in

> > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries

and

> when

> > > it

> > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord

> ship

> > > will

> > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler,

> if

> > > you

> > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of

each

> > > bhava in

> > > > each rasi?//

> > >

> > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a

> small

> > > example to make your question logical to understand.But if you

> > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the Lord

of

> > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas

> fall in

> > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the

> signs.

> > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each Bhava

> in

> > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and whether

You

> > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or

whatever.

> > >

> > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit

of

> > > Bhava

> > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself

as

> > > according

> > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit

chart.

> > > > //

> > >

> > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a

> small

> > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart.

Why

> are

> > > the software companies since last 30 years existence in India,

> have

> > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ?

> They

> > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand

> and

> > > talk about general

> > > character of a person, in the same way only generalisations can

> be

> > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will

> > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the Chalit

> > > Chart, no doubt about it.

> > >

> > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request

all

> > > those indulging in this to please do their homework and have

their

> > > basics right before putting up questions.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -- In , Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not

> have

> > > the

> > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the

> question

> > > asked

> > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me

> to

> > > fulfill

> > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part

of

> the

> > > question.

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna

> being

> > > in

> > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition

of

> > > rasis in

> > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries

and

> when

> > > it

> > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord

> ship

> > > will

> > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler,

> if

> > > you

> > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of

each

> > > bhava in

> > > > each rasi?

> > > >

> > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of

> Bhava

> > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself

as

> > > according

> > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit

chart.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know,

but

> > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the

> > > astrologers

> > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do

not

> know

> > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30

> years

> > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do

> not

> > > know,

> > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to

a

> good

> > > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher.

> > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently

few

> weeks

> > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew

about

> it of

> > > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > > >

> > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the

> use of

> > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships

> > > assigned

> > > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > > >

> > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ---

-

> > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or

> Placidus,

> > > from

> > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not

> > > matter,

> > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would

> like

> > > you

> > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as

> possible, as

> > > I

> > > > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic

> astrology,

> > > > > having

> > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point

of

> > > view.

> > > > > As

> > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you

> should

> > > > > stick to

> > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when

> the

> > > > > lagna is

> > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be

> highly

> > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person

of

> my

> > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a

> place

> > > where

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among,

> especially

> > > the

> > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not

> find

> > > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya

> > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World,

> and

> > > from

> > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen

and

> > > review,

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach

> > > suggested. So

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit

and

> then

> > > > > using

> > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd

many

> > > > > questions

> > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a

categorical

> > > > > statement

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I

> have

> > > not yet

> > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to

> find

> > > out if

> > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even

> when

> > > the

> > > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to

> comment.

> > > I was

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your

> > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general

> comment

> > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term,

cause

> > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language.

This

> is

> > > > > neither

> > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to

> make the

> > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of

> what is

> > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army

generals,

> I

> > > would

> > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the

absence

> of

> > > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds

> of

> > > charts

> > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and

family

> > > members,

> > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually

not

> > > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in

> Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired

results

> in

> > > real

> > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a

> > > incident

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not

> > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons

> > > logically,

> > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the

key

> for

> > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in

> todays

> > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see

> whether

> > > the

> > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain

department

> or

> > > not.

> > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a

> Mahapurusha

> > > or

> > > > > not,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by

> calling him

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in

> plenty in

> > > many

> > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of

> > > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga

> fructify.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know

about

> the

> > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a

> small

> > > > > town too

> > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to

> know

> > > and ask

> > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict

> perfectly

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the

required

> > > intuition

> > > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from

the

> natal

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to

person,

> and

> > > so

> > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching

> matters. We

> > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned

> did in

> > > fact

> > > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in

> > > isolation

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is

something

> new

> > > that

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I

assume

> it

> > > is the

> > > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more

> than 2

> > > or 3

> > > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even

> > > calculators

> > > > > were

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you

quote

> any

> > > > > classic

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as

> you

> > > call

> > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have

seen

> all

> > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and

make

> > > people

> > > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do

> with

> > > Bhava

> > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the

> Khokha

> > > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from

> > > outside,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes.

Otherwise

> how

> > > do

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions

of

> > > peoples

> > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made

> from

> > > the

> > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know,

> for

> > > they

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or

> > > visiting

> > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit

> (Cuspal

> > > in

> > > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the

simple

> > > reason

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if

> you

> > > quote

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned

become

> > > secondary

> > > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of

> the

> > > term,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not

> understand .

> > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many

> > > planets to

> > > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi

> Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this

case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means

> > > > > combinations in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit

chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the

road

> > > would

> > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer

> should

> > > do

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in

my

> mail

> > > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it

> mantains

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava

Chalit

> > > then it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this

> strongly

> > > with

> > > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion

on

> > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit,

which

> is

> > > not a

> > > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do

with

> the

> > > fact

> > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas

and

> an

> > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the

> possible

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to

> find

> > > out

> > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give

positive

> or

> > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio

and

> > > Venus in

> > > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also

> in,

> > > say,

> > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of

> > > Chandraadhi

> > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience,

> the

> > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which

> appear to

> > > be

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown,

cause

> > > when we

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one

planet

> may

> > > go

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and

other

> may

> > > go in

> > > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in

> > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and

> others

> > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in

> general

> > > and

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so

> my

> > > mail

> > > > > went

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not

> think

> > > so.

> > > > > Please

> > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in

Mutual

> > > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28

> > > degrees if

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty

> common

> > > yoga.

> > > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance

should

> be

> > > more

> > > > > than

> > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k

> <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya

and

> budh

> > > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-

> adhithya"

> > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion

> occurs

> > > when

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from

> behind at

> > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust

> in "retograde"

> > > > > motion

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the

> surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in

which

> the

> > > > > distance

> > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume

> here,

> > > the

> > > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to

> perform.

> > > In

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing

some

> > > basic

> > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the

> budhaditya

> > > yoga in

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let

> me

> > > have a

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion,

budhaditya

> is

> > > one

> > > > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the

> world's

> > > > > > > population

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

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[Guest guest]

More customary plonker prolixity.

Time for my first Message Rule... no more dork-baiting

 

On 11/28/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

>

> Dear RamPriya,

>

> You are spoiling your own image by doing this type of lower

> grade behaviours. How will you be able to mantain respect from

> the old contacts and the new ones with this sort of womanly

> type cheeky-neeky absolute sissy and nigger behaviour.This

> is not manliness.Trying to poison others.

>

> I do not attack a person, but his knowledge, to know his depth, which

> you will never understand. But you attack and hurt deliberately,

> and get sadistic or shall I say sodomic fun (Cause you hurt your own

> Group Members).

>

> Do you know the people who create fights between others, how they are

> re-born as ? I need not say. You will come to know soon. This

> behaviour is unpardonable in His Kingdom, I am being very patient

> with you uptil now, allowing your skirmishes and slanderous behaviour

> as a small childs who is having some fun, but you are bent on

> creating and spoiling the atmoshphere of this Divine forum.

>

> Please note whenever I had an argument with any member, it was on

> astrological issues, but You know what You are doing.

> Just wasting your time and little bit divinity in You, due to the

> name of yours.

>

> Hope good sense prevails in you and you stop trying to create venom

> in others.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> <%40>, "D

> Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d

> wrote:

> >

> > On 11/28/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> > >

> > > DearSahni Sahab,

> > >

> > > Of course, I know you know little about KP

> > >

> >

> > Sigh... slander unabated.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

 

I might just (don't recall for sure) be having a Word version of BVS' book.

Let me know if you're interested. Lots of other soft books to give away too,

btw, for anyone who might have better use with them.

 

Cheers,

Ramapriya

 

On 11/28/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>

> Thanks for sharing Dr.SuryaNarainRaos views.

>

[Guest guest]

What alien Gibberish. incomprehensible expansion of the expression,

made to impress the third benchers, but not expressed in the

commonly known parlance. So Net results- waste of efforts.

 

 

, "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d

wrote:

>

> More customary plonker prolixity.

> Time for my first Message Rule... no more dork-baiting

>

> On 11/28/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> >

> > Dear RamPriya,

> >

> > You are spoiling your own image by doing this type of lower

> > grade behaviours. How will you be able to mantain respect from

> > the old contacts and the new ones with this sort of womanly

> > type cheeky-neeky absolute sissy and nigger behaviour.This

> > is not manliness.Trying to poison others.

> >

> > I do not attack a person, but his knowledge, to know his depth,

which

> > you will never understand. But you attack and hurt deliberately,

> > and get sadistic or shall I say sodomic fun (Cause you hurt your

own

> > Group Members).

> >

> > Do you know the people who create fights between others, how they

are

> > re-born as ? I need not say. You will come to know soon. This

> > behaviour is unpardonable in His Kingdom, I am being very patient

> > with you uptil now, allowing your skirmishes and slanderous

behaviour

> > as a small childs who is having some fun, but you are bent on

> > creating and spoiling the atmoshphere of this Divine forum.

> >

> > Please note whenever I had an argument with any member, it was on

> > astrological issues, but You know what You are doing.

> > Just wasting your time and little bit divinity in You, due to the

> > name of yours.

> >

> > Hope good sense prevails in you and you stop trying to create

venom

> > in others.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > <%

40>, "D

> > Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > On 11/28/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > DearSahni Sahab,

> > > >

> > > > Of course, I know you know little about KP

> > > >

> > >

> > > Sigh... slander unabated.

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

All reasons for not learning the mathematical part of

astrology is excuse for our laziness, or incompetency

or not having spent time on the subject,or hatred created

towards it for not being able to understand the

subject.

Theres no real excuse for not learning the mathematical

part. Those who want to learn the easy way without learning'

through labour and toil can read Linda Good man and become

astrologers on the Forums and their own circle of friends.

But real Astrology is a question mark for them ?

In fact its necessary that a astrologer should also know

some basics on astronomy too.

In the olden days if astrologers never knew about

mathematical part,it could do because they knew by

heart the shlokas of the great classics and could see

the combinations and predict immediately. But how many

know this today ? So its better we have all the

tools in hand.

 

But as a student not knowing of Bhava chalit myself for

the major part of my earlier study days, I never realised

the importance, but to day I do, hence am repeatedly

requesting the readers to go through study of the same.

Its for their own good and not going to benefit me,

unnecessarily I have been attacked and asked to prove

myself. If we know of something which is good, we like

to share with our own, which I have tried to do.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>

> Thanks for sharing Dr.SuryaNarainRaos views.

> On poetry i have read somewhere - If Sahitya or language is lacking

> poetry is bad.If Bhavana is lacking Poetry is bad.If either of them

> is out of proportion or more,still it is bad.When they have the

> ideal mix,it can be called as a great work.

>

> I feel the same in the case of astrology too.One should know the

> fundamentals well,but astrology is not a mathematical theorem.

>

> Thanks again for such brilliant views ,which can only come from

> great astrologers and can be absorbed only by experienced

> astrologers like you.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

> , Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > I see that you are even now avoiding answers to direct questions

> and

> > only two that I asked you. It seems you do not wish to answer the

> > questions about how to deal with bhava ownership as the village

> > astrologers for their knowledge of chalit horoscope, whom you

> extol for

> > their knowledge of chalit, do not use bhava lordships in

> predictions.

> > That is strange indeed.

> >

> > It is of no interest to me whether you teach college students or

> school

> > students. We are talking of Vedic astrology, if I am not

mistaken,

> and

> > that was taught in Gurukula and not in colleges like those of

> today.

> >

> > Anyway since you are not averse to read Ramkumar Ojha's books, I

> hope

> > you sometime also read Pt. Gopeshkumar Ojha's opinion on Chalit

> charts.

> >

> > As to your lengthy comments about astrologers needing to be

> experts at

> > calculations and astronomy (I presume), could I draw your

> attention to

> > comments of B. Surya Narain rao in Sarvartha Chintamani, whom I

> hope you

> > do not consider incapable of astrological calculations. I am sure

> a

> > person like you who teaches only college students knows of B.

> Surya

> > Narain rao, but for the knowledge of those on the list who are

not

> > aware, he was the founder of the Astrological Magazine and the

> grand

> > father of the venerated Dr. B. V. Raman who was called the modern

> day

> > Varaha Mihira.

> >

> > B. Surya Narain rao Sarvartha Chintamani Vol1 page 123.

> > "There are now many Jyotishis-astrologers and there are also many

> > siddhantees-astronomers. A happy combinations of the two in one

> and the

> > same individual is a rarity and we may count their names almost

on

> our

> > finger's ends. While mathematics are absolutely necessary for all

> > astrological calculations they deprive the possessor of that

> > mathematical ability and acumen, the excellent judgement-power in

> > prediction, which will be developed in a man, who entirely

devoted

> > himself to the predictive portion of it and to the observation of

> men

> > who are so many results of planetary influences. The best

> astronomers,

> > as a class, are sorry predictors, while the best astrologers

guess

> the

> > combinations of planets almost instinctively, at the time of

birth

> of a

> > person, without even a pretense of making the elementary

> calculations."

> >

> > Of course you may brush opinion of B. Surya Narain rao as he did

> not

> > teach college students in his days, aside.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > >

> > > Chandrasekharji said-

> > > //

> > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not

> have

> > > the

> > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the

> question

> > > asked

> > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me

> to

> > > fulfill

> > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part

of

> the

> > > question.//

> > >

> > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the

> luxury

> > > of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to

cast

> a

> > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House division,

> > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the

Degrees

> > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how

> > > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC calculation

> > > of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of

> > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the

> > > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the

> > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a

> > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a mathematical

> > > Query.

> > >

> > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach

> > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am

> already

> > > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of time,

> > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really

> feel

> > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially

> > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all.

> > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the

> > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up

> > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the

> > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom

> > > I learnt 20 years back.

> > >

> > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about

Lagna

> > > being in

> > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of

> > > rasis in

> > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries

and

> when

> > > it

> > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord

> ship

> > > will

> > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler,

> if

> > > you

> > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of

each

> > > bhava in

> > > > each rasi?//

> > >

> > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a

> small

> > > example to make your question logical to understand.But if you

> > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the Lord

of

> > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas

> fall in

> > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the

> signs.

> > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each Bhava

> in

> > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and whether

> You

> > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or

> whatever.

> > >

> > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of

> > > Bhava

> > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as

> > > according

> > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit

chart.

> > > > //

> > >

> > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a

> small

> > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart.

> Why are

> > > the software companies since last 30 years existence in India,

> have

> > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ?

> They

> > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand

> and

> > > talk about general

> > > character of a person, in the same way only generalisations can

> be

> > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will

> > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the Chalit

> > > Chart, no doubt about it.

> > >

> > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request

all

> > > those indulging in this to please do their homework and have

> their

> > > basics right before putting up questions.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > -- In

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not

> have

> > > the

> > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the

> question

> > > asked

> > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me

> to

> > > fulfill

> > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part

of

> the

> > > question.

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna

> being

> > > in

> > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of

> > > rasis in

> > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries

and

> when

> > > it

> > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord

> ship

> > > will

> > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler,

> if

> > > you

> > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of

each

> > > bhava in

> > > > each rasi?

> > > >

> > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of

> Bhava

> > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as

> > > according

> > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit

chart.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know,

but

> > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the

> > > astrologers

> > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do

> not know

> > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30

> years

> > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do

> not

> > > know,

> > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to

a

> good

> > > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher.

> > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently

few

> weeks

> > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew

about

> it of

> > > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > > >

> > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the

> use of

> > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships

> > > assigned

> > > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > > >

> > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ---

-

> > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or

> Placidus,

> > > from

> > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not

> > > matter,

> > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would

> like

> > > you

> > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as

> possible, as

> > > I

> > > > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic

> astrology,

> > > > > having

> > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point

of

> > > view.

> > > > > As

> > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you

> should

> > > > > stick to

> > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when

> the

> > > > > lagna is

> > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be

> highly

> > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person

of

> my

> > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a

> place

> > > where

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among,

> especially

> > > the

> > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not

> find

> > > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya

> > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World,

> and

> > > from

> > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen

and

> > > review,

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach

> > > suggested. So

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit

> and then

> > > > > using

> > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd

many

> > > > > questions

> > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a

> categorical

> > > > > statement

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I

> have

> > > not yet

> > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to

> find

> > > out if

> > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even

> when

> > > the

> > > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to

> comment.

> > > I was

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your

> > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general

> comment

> > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term,

cause

> > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language.

> This is

> > > > > neither

> > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to

> make the

> > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of

> what is

> > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army

> generals, I

> > > would

> > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the

> absence of

> > > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds

> of

> > > charts

> > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and

family

> > > members,

> > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually

> not

> > > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in

> Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired

> results in

> > > real

> > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a

> > > incident

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not

> > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons

> > > logically,

> > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the

> key for

> > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in

> todays

> > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see

> whether

> > > the

> > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain

department

> or

> > > not.

> > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a

> Mahapurusha

> > > or

> > > > > not,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by

> calling him

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in

> plenty in

> > > many

> > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of

> > > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga

> fructify.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know

about

> the

> > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a

> small

> > > > > town too

> > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to

> know

> > > and ask

> > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict

> perfectly

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required

> > > intuition

> > > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from

the

> natal

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to

> person, and

> > > so

> > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching

> matters. We

> > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned

> did in

> > > fact

> > > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in

> > > isolation

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is

something

> new

> > > that

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I

assume

> it

> > > is the

> > > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more

> than 2

> > > or 3

> > > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even

> > > calculators

> > > > > were

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you

quote

> any

> > > > > classic

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as

> you

> > > call

> > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have

seen

> all

> > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and

make

> > > people

> > > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do

> with

> > > Bhava

> > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the

> Khokha

> > > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from

> > > outside,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes.

> Otherwise how

> > > do

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions

of

> > > peoples

> > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made

> from

> > > the

> > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know,

> for

> > > they

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or

> > > visiting

> > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit

> (Cuspal

> > > in

> > > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the

simple

> > > reason

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if

> you

> > > quote

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become

> > > secondary

> > > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of

> the

> > > term,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not

> understand .

> > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many

> > > planets to

> > > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi

> Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this

case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means

> > > > > combinations in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit

chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the

road

> > > would

> > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer

> should

> > > do

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in

my

> mail

> > > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it

> mantains

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava

Chalit

> > > then it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this

> strongly

> > > with

> > > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on

> > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit,

> which is

> > > not a

> > > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do

with

> the

> > > fact

> > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas

and

> an

> > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the

> possible

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to

> find

> > > out

> > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give

positive

> or

> > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio

and

> > > Venus in

> > > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also

> in,

> > > say,

> > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of

> > > Chandraadhi

> > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience,

> the

> > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which

> appear to

> > > be

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown,

cause

> > > when we

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one

> planet may

> > > go

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and

other

> may

> > > go in

> > > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in

> > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and

> others

> > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in

> general

> > > and

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so

> my

> > > mail

> > > > > went

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not

> think

> > > so.

> > > > > Please

> > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in

Mutual

> > > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28

> > > degrees if

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty

> common

> > > yoga.

> > > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance

should

> be

> > > more

> > > > > than

> > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k

> <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya

and

> budh

> > > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-

> adhithya"

> > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion

> occurs

> > > when

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from

> behind at

> > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust

> in "retograde"

> > > > > motion

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the

> surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in

> which the

> > > > > distance

> > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume

> here,

> > > the

> > > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to

> perform.

> > > In

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing

some

> > > basic

> > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the

> budhaditya

> > > yoga in

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let

> me

> > > have a

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion,

budhaditya

> is

> > > one

> > > > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the

> world's

> > > > > > > population

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

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[Guest guest]

Dear Inderjitji,

 

All the while I was discusing with the Non-believers of the

advantages of Bhava-Chalit, and you were present as a KP

Practitioner since last 24 years, then certainly you should be

knowing more than anyone else over here about the Bhava Chalit.

That would be the tribute you could pay to Kp system which must

have given you some name and fame in your circles I presume.

 

Will wait for your valued inputs regarding Bhava Chalit.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "Inder Jit Sahni"

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

> You are writing to a person , who had practiced 24 years in KP

alone. KP is only one taste from the ocean of astrology and there are

still left behind many , you will learn with time.

> Inder Jit sahni

> -

> Bhaskar

>

> Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:28 AM

> Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

>

>

> Dear Inderjitji,

>

> KP is the cream churned from the Milk Parashar. All same actually.

> I liked the way you described the 3 Gunas. More planets in any

> particular Guna in a chart also decides about the nature of the

native

> in majority.

>

> Best wishes

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "Inder Jit Sahni"

> <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote:

> >

> > This of course is KP concept which is not absorbed by Vedic ,

the

> correct use of 6th is , it is trine to 2nd house the another

being

> 10th; Lagna being Rajoguni 2nd house is Tamoguni , for any thing

to

> fructify in real all the three Gunas shall work; 2nd is Earthen

> Tamoguna Bhava , means collections possessions etc; 6th is

Satoguna

> earthen Bhava means your knowledge how to lead , work the

knowledge

> to collect , service and the 10th is earthen Rajoguna house shows

the

> Vasna or determinations of an individual to work.

> > With Best Wishes,

> > Inder Jit Sahni

> >

> > -

> > Bhaskar

> >

> > Monday, November 27, 2006 7:34 PM

> > Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

> >

> >

> > Dear Jagdishji,

> >

> > Oh yes they should certainly fructify.

> > We have Vipareeta Raj Yoga and neech Bhanga RajaYoga

> > too, to make this claim strong.

> > Apart from that 6th by itself figuring is also a very good

> > Bhava for Dhana, because its 12th to the partners,

> > which means money will come to us through business dealings,

> > partnerships, selling goods to consumers, from servcies given to

> > people etc. 6th, 8th and 12th apart fom being dreadful houses fo

> > the commonly known reasons, viz.disease,death and

> hospitalisation,

> > as per law of duality in Nature have their good effects too to

> give to

> > the native. 8th for example gives inheritance, gratuity, dowry

and

> > Accident Insurance too among others. Of course for this

> > house , positives will be gained only after some tragedy or

> > unhappiness

> > as per the dictums of this house. The 12th Bhava is very

important

> > for investments. We see the 12th for all types of investments

> > especially for setting up factories, or industry the 12th is a

> very

> > important Bhava. 5 and 8 is a good Dhana Yoga, 6 and 8 is

> > a good Dhana Yoga, 2,6 and 12 is again a Good Yoga for

> > wealth coming in after investing etc. You can form your own

> > combinations. And of course you must be knowing the already

> mentioned

> > Yogas in the classics, when the Lords of Dusthanas sit in

another

> > Dusthana

> > its a Raj Yoga. But again when the Planet in power, which makes

> the

> > Yoga,

> > comes as dasha Lord in the life of the native, only then would

he

> get

> > the

> > fruits of these Dhana Yogas.

> >

> > Have You joined my Forum as yet ?

> > /

> >

> > At times I feel I should stop writing in any Forum due to my

> blunt

> > nature

> >

> > and free style of writing from the heart I tend to be

> misunderstood.

> > In this Forum Chandrasekharji whom I do not know and neither

have

> > any sort of grudge has unnecessary come in my line of fire,

> without

> > any fault of his neither mines. Actually when I talk strongly

on

> > Astrology

> > pointersI tend to get carried away and cannot accept anything

> which

> > should be

> > supposed to be understood without being having to said or

> explained.

> > But at the time of writing we forget to stand in the other

> persons

> > shoes ,

> > for a moment which is my fault. I hope not to hurt anyone for

> > some time now.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji

> > >

> > > When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th)

then

> do

> > they fructify ?

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > Jagdish

> > >

> >

> > , Prathamesn Chawan

> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar Ji

> > >

> > > When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th)

then

> do

> > they fructify ?

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > Jagdish

> > >

> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote: Dear Jagdishji,

> > >

> > > Hello.

> > > After a long time. Nice to see You active.

> > > I never knew You were on this Forum.

> > > Well You may call me millionare,or a billionare

> > > too by inheritance, but nothing in hands.

> > > Otherwise living a middle class comfortable life.

> > > But if You remember me well then You know I am

> > > a king with a Kingdom and without one too.

> > > Does not matter.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > > , Prathamesn Chawan

> > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rampriya Ji

> > > >

> > > > When 2nd lord is in 8th then person does not talk much.

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, you must be a millionare ?

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > >

> > > > jagdish

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote: Dear Rampriyaji,

> > > >

> > > > My 2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in the 11th in Gemini along

> > > > with the Ascendant Lord which is the Sun.

> > > > Are you trying to figure any losses due to speech or why

> > > > the speech is at times rude or whether the 2nd lord is not

> > > > in a right position to be in. If that is the case then

there

> > > > are other reasons for the same.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , "D Ramapriya"

> > <ramapriya.d@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Is your 2nd lord in the 8th bhava in your chart, by any

> > chance?

> > > > >

> > > > > Ramapriya

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate

> > > > > > member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know

> > > > > > that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of

> > > > > > all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri

> > > > > > Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will

> > > > > > find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but

> > > > > > my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my

> > > > > > respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean

> > > > > > that we show disrespect. But a point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And you should have watched the intent and not the

content

> > > > > > when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am

sure

> > > > > > it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to

> > > > > > give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the

> > > > > > benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to

> read

> > the

> > > > > > same in books available in the market or on websites,

> > instead

> > > > > > of You spending time on this Basic stuff.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No human in the world knows all-total about astrology.

> > > > > > I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able

to

> > > crush

> > > > me in

> > > > > > many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it

> > imply ?

> > > > > > Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite

> > > universal

> > > > that

> > > > > > you know part of something and I know part of

something,

> > but

> > > none

> > > > of

> > > > > > us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-

> > gulla

> > > > > > about it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I request the members to watch the exchanges only as

> healthy

> > > > > > astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to

> > > > > > astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange

> > becomes

> > > > > > personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you

as

> > > > responsible

> > > > > > members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting

> > fires

> > > and

> > > > > > hurling brick bats only at one party without

contributing

> or

> > > > > > understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to

> > > > > > sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and

> > > crtiticse

> > > > > > the players on the field playing cricket for India, but

> > > actually

> > > > > > when one plays then he knows wjats going on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and

if

> > you

> > > also

> > > > > > notice that is why all my mails have been detailed

trying

> > to

> > > > explain

> > > > > > certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does

not

> > take

> > > more

> > > > > > than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person

> try

> > to

> > > > write

> > > > > > long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know

> how

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > > diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions.

> When

> > > they

> > > > talk

> > > > > > they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the

> heart.

> > > > > > Please include me in this category of unpolished,

> primitive

> > and

> > > > > > undiplomatic lot.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > mahaluxmi iyer

> > > > > > <astromahaluxmi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it pained me a lot too.

> > > > > > > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in

> age

> > but

> > > > > > knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these

> > > > discussions.

> > > > > > having read much of the shastras in original samskrit,

> has

> > also

> > > > > > willingly shared many gems of explanataions with

members

> on

> > > this

> > > > > > group. is humble and answers all queries without

allowing

> > any

> > > > > > negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast

> > > knowledge. i

> > > > > > think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as

> is

> > > evident

> > > > > > from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is

rare

> > > indeed

> > > > to

> > > > > > find men of substance who keep their cool despite the

> vast

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not

clannish

> > and

> > > > deals

> > > > > > with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of

> > groups,

> > > > > > schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key

and

> > not

> > > the

> > > > > > student or querist's background.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > he certainly deserves respect from us all.

> > > > > > > mahalakshmi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not

able

> to

> > > teach

> > > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when

I

> > am

> > > > already

> > > > > > > into teaching College students."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has

> > > contributed

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > to this group and to many in this group individually.

> > While

> > > I

> > > > am not

> > > > > > > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone

else,

> I

> > > would

> > > > > > request

> > > > > > > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone

> else.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We do not meet most members of this forum in person,

> that

> > > should

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > us doubly kind towards various contributors.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My 2cents.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Shankar

> > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrasekharji said-

> > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation

> who

> > > did

> > > > not

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are

> evading

> > the

> > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit.

> Please

> > > allow

> > > > me

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

> > that

> > > part

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > question.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did

not

> > have

> > > the

> > > > > > luxury

> > > > > > > > of calculators, because every astrologer should

know

> > how

> > > to

> > > > cast a

> > > > > > > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal

House

> > > > division,

> > > > > > > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to

calculate

> > the

> > > > Degrees

> > > > > > > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses.

Should

> > know

> > > how

> > > > > > > > much and where the difference will come even if

RAMC

> > > > calculation

> > > > > > > > of one difference is there.He should also know the

> > meaning

> > > of

> > > > > > > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be

aware

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > developments and improvisations done by the

stalwarts

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if

india.

> > If a

> > > > > > > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a

> > > > mathematical

> > > > > > > > Query.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not

able

> > to

> > > teach

> > > > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school,

when

> I

> > am

> > > > already

> > > > > > > > into teaching College students. Its a precious

> wasteage

> > of

> > > > time,

> > > > > > > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from

that

> i

> > > really

> > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and

> > especially

> > > > > > > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this

> question

> > at

> > > all.

> > > > > > > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and

meeting

> > the

> > > > > > > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may

> pick

> > up

> > > > > > > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will

find

> the

> > > > > > > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats

> > > wherefrom

> > > > > > > > I learnt 20 years back.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I

asked

> > > about

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > being in

> > > > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> > > definition

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at

> 1degree

> > > Aries

> > > > and

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even

simpler

> > what

> > > lord

> > > > > > ship

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it

> even

> > > > simpler,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

> > degrees

> > > of

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > > > each rasi?//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you

> had

> > put

> > > a

> > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > example to make your question logical to

> understand.But

> > if

> > > you

> > > > > > > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > > > > > > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the

Bhava/Cusp,,

> > the

> > > > Lord of

> > > > > > > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If

> two

> > > Bhavas

> > > > > > fall in

> > > > > > > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for

> > both

> > > the

> > > > > > signs.

> > > > > > > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees

of

> > each

> > > > Bhava

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person,

> and

> > > > whether You

> > > > > > > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house

system

> > or

> > > > whatever.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without

the

> > > benefit

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should

ask

> > > yourself

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

> > chalit

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local

> > pandit

> > > in a

> > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit

in

> a

> > > Chart.

> > > > Why

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > the software companies since last 30 years

existence

> in

> > > India,

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the

> printed

> > > chart ?

> > > > > > They

> > > > > > > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you

> see

> > a

> > > hand

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > talk about general

> > > > > > > > character of a person, in the same way only

> > > generalisations

> > > > can

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions

> which

> > > will

> > > > > > > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help

of

> > the

> > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > Chart, no doubt about it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious

time.I

> > > request

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > those indulging in this to please do their homework

> and

> > > have

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > basics right before putting up questions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -- In <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation

> who

> > > did

> > > > not

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are

> evading

> > the

> > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit.

> Please

> > > allow

> > > > me

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

> > that

> > > part

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked

> > about

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> > > definition

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at

> 1degree

> > > Aries

> > > > and

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even

simpler

> > what

> > > lord

> > > > > > ship

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it

> even

> > > > simpler,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

> > degrees

> > > of

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > > > each rasi?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the

> > > benefit of

> > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should

ask

> > > yourself

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

> > chalit

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone

> should

> > > know,

> > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that

most

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict

when

> > they

> > > do

> > > > not

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit

> > chart.Even

> > > 30

> > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the

> recent

> > > lot do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > know,

> > > > > > > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the

aptitude

> > to

> > > go

> > > > to a

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > class/school to study the same, through a

> qualified

> > > > teacher.

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered

> > > recently

> > > > few

> > > > > > weeks

> > > > > > > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient

sages

> > knew

> > > > about

> > > > > > it of

> > > > > > > > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually

> > > without

> > > > the

> > > > > > use of

> > > > > > > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question

of

> > > lordships

> > > > > > > > assigned

> > > > > > > > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a

Rashi

> > > means ? -

> > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or

> Shripati

> > or

> > > > > > Placidus,

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you

> chose

> > > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > matter,

> > > > > > > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear

> Chandresekharji

> > I

> > > > would

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as

early

> as

> > > > > > possible, as

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > see some potential in you which should not be

> > wasted.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

<%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in

> Vedic

> > > > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > > > > having

> > > > > > > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see

> > your

> > > > point of

> > > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters

> > chosen,

> > > you

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > stick to

> > > > > > > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are

> > allotted

> > > > when

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > lagna is

> > > > > > > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your

> thoughts

> > > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > highly

> > > > > > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come

from

> a

> > > person

> > > > of

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good

> > astrologer

> > > is a

> > > > > > place

> > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known

> > among,

> > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence

> you

> > may

> > > not

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya

> Vidya

> > > > > > > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best

in

> > the

> > > > World,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass

out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least

> to

> > > listen

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > review,

> > > > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some

> > approach

> > > > > > > > suggested. So

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying

> Bhava

> > > Chalit

> > > > and

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to

> > > understanbd

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common

> > approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because

of

> a

> > > > categorical

> > > > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being

well

> > > known. I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > not yet

> > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of

this

> > age

> > > to to

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > out if

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results

> > promised,

> > > > even

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am

> > nobody to

> > > > > > comment.

> > > > > > > > I was

> > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been

misunderstood

> > by

> > > Your

> > > > > > > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was

a

> > > general

> > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a

Sanskrit

> > > term,

> > > > cause

> > > > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude

> > > language.

> > > > This

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > neither

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a

term

> > used

> > > to

> > > > > > make the

> > > > > > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning

and

> > > depth of

> > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or

> Army

> > > > generals,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts,

in

> > the

> > > > absence

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can

> see

> > > > hundreds

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and

> friends

> > and

> > > > family

> > > > > > > > members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas,

but

> > > > actually not

> > > > > > > > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations

and

> in

> > > > > > Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving

> > desired

> > > > results

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of

the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound

explanation

> > for

> > > why a

> > > > > > > > incident

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or

why

> it

> > > has

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching

> for

> > > > reasons

> > > > > > > > logically,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava

> Chalit

> > is

> > > the

> > > > key

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek

PanchaMahapurusha

> > > Yogas in

> > > > > > todays

> > > > > > > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good

> placements

> > to

> > > see

> > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a

certain

> > > > department

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would

> become

> > a

> > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > not,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily

> happy

> > by

> > > > > > calling him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be

> > found in

> > > > > > plenty in

> > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is

the

> > art

> > > of

> > > > > > > > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would

> this

> > Yoga

> > > > > > fructify.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics

to

> > know

> > > > about

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good

> > astrologer

> > > in

> > > > a

> > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > > > town too

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you

> > happen

> > > to

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > and ask

> > > > > > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to

> predict

> > > > > > perfectly

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has

> the

> > > > required

> > > > > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are

> reading

> > > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the

> right

> > > way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary

> person

> > to

> > > > person,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of

> > approaching

> > > > > > matters. We

> > > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas

you

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > did in

> > > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if

> > they

> > > did

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > isolation

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts

> is

> > > > something

> > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in

> Sanskrit,

> > I

> > > > assume

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not

> comment

> > on

> > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I

have

> > read

> > > more

> > > > > > than 2

> > > > > > > > or 3

> > > > > > > > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web

> as

> > even

> > > > > > > > calculators

> > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology.

> Could

> > you

> > > > quote

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on

Bhava

> > > Chalit,

> > > > as

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > call

> > > > > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or

practiced

> by

> > > > rishis.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you

> must

> > > have

> > > > seen

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts

> > fructify

> > > and

> > > > make

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas

does

> > HAS

> > > to do

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also

> known

> > as

> > > the

> > > > > > Khokha

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso

> > mangoes

> > > from

> > > > > > > > outside,

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe

> mangoes.

> > > > Otherwise

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying

in

> > > > millions of

> > > > > > > > peoples

> > > > > > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually

> to

> > be

> > > made

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers

do

> > not

> > > > know,

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-

3

> > > books or

> > > > > > > > visiting

> > > > > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of

> Bhava

> > > Chalit

> > > > > > (Cuspal

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ?

> For

> > the

> > > > simple

> > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean

> > > combinations if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are

> > positioned

> > > > become

> > > > > > > > secondary

> > > > > > > > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the

real

> > > sense of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > term,

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I

do

> not

> > > > > > understand .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not

> have

> > so

> > > many

> > > > > > > > planets to

> > > > > > > > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds

of

> > > > Chandradi

> > > > > > Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to

in

> > this

> > > > case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it

> strictly

> > > means

> > > > > > > > > > combinations in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava

> > Chalit

> > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person

walking

> > on

> > > the

> > > > road

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a

> Panchamahapurusha

> > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I

> > mentioned

> > > in

> > > > my

> > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked

> > whether

> > > it

> > > > > > mantains

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in

the

> > Bhava

> > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > then it

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am

claiming

> > this

> > > > > > strongly

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the

> > > discussion

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava

> > > chalit,

> > > > which

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason

has

> > to

> > > do

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and

> positive

> > > yogas

> > > > and

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before

arriving

> at

> > the

> > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must

> > also

> > > try

> > > > to

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will

> give

> > > > positive

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is

occupying

> > > Scorpio

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Venus in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini

> with

> > Sun

> > > > also

> > > > > > in,

> > > > > > > > say,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the

> > results

> > > of

> > > > > > > > Chandraadhi

> > > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal

> > > > experience,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas

Yogas

> > which

> > > > > > appear to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the

results

> > > shown,

> > > > cause

> > > > > > > > when we

> > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal

> Chart),

> > one

> > > > planet

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in

> Kendra

> > and

> > > > other

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > go in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid

> Yogas

> > > weak

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from

> > Chandrasekharji

> > > and

> > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > 40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was

> > written

> > > in

> > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread

> was

> > > there

> > > > so

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually

sevenths?

> I

> > do

> > > not

> > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > so.

> > > > > > > > > > Please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can

never

> be

> > in

> > > > Mutual

> > > > > > > > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can

> be

> > > only 28

> > > > > > > > degrees if

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It

is

> > > pretty

> > > > > > common

> > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the

> > distance

> > > > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20

> > degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06,

ashwin_062k

> > > > > > <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%

> > > > 40>>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that

> when

> > > surya

> > > > and

> > > > > > budh

> > > > > > > > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths,

> > forms "budha-

> > > > > > adhithya"

> > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that

> > combustion

> > > > > > occurs

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the

> surya

> > > from

> > > > > > behind at

> > > > > > > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets

combust

> > > > > > in "retograde"

> > > > > > > > > > motion

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather

> > eclipse

> > > the

> > > > > > surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a

> > chart

> > > in

> > > > which

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > distance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8

mts.

> I

> > > > presume

> > > > > > here,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or

> > unable

> > > to

> > > > > > perform.

> > > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am

i

> > > missing

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct,

> the

> > > > > > budhaditya

> > > > > > > > yoga in

> > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of

combustion.

> > And

> > > do

> > > > let

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal

opinion,

> > > > budhaditya

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more

than

> > half

> > > the

> > > > > > world's

> > > > > > > > > > > > population

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > this

> > > > message

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > been

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > incoming

> > > > > > message.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar,

I rejected the use of ruling planets not altogether but give priority to some other method , this specifically speaks about the birth , if possible at a particular time of human being at all is possible or not. See I selected 11.51 and the next selection was near 11.56 ; I did not stop in between.

For one person consulting different astrologers will come out with different times arrived at the basis of Ruling planets.But I will stick to one after verification.

The KP theory is about the time strong planets which affects through Vishmotary dasha applicable to Cusp chart and Planetary degrees nothing more than this; it rules out the efforts and trends of a chart a human being can change with his strength and determinations.For which you will have to go deep in other things.

I do not use Placidus but Topocentric , because it is much logical than the Placidus.

But for reading combinations I will observe them in Rashi.

With Best Wishes,

Inder Jit Sahni

-

Bhaskar

Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:22 AM

Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

 

 

DearSahni Sahab,

 

Of course, I know you know little about KP, but I did not see

you using the Ruling Planets in Rampriyas case, I thought you would,

because that would make the use of KP perfect in this case.

 

Ashtakvarga is also from the same Ocean and so is Jaimini.

Thats why I said its the same source.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, "Inder Jit Sahni"

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

> You are writing to a person , who had practiced 24 years in KP

alone. KP is only one taste from the ocean of astrology and there are

still left behind many , you will learn with time.

> Inder Jit sahni

> -

> Bhaskar

>

> Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:28 AM

> Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

>

>

> Dear Inderjitji,

>

> KP is the cream churned from the Milk Parashar. All same actually.

> I liked the way you described the 3 Gunas. More planets in any

> particular Guna in a chart also decides about the nature of the

native

> in majority.

>

> Best wishes

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "Inder Jit Sahni"

> <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote:

> >

> > This of course is KP concept which is not absorbed by Vedic ,

the

> correct use of 6th is , it is trine to 2nd house the another

being

> 10th; Lagna being Rajoguni 2nd house is Tamoguni , for any thing

to

> fructify in real all the three Gunas shall work; 2nd is Earthen

> Tamoguna Bhava , means collections possessions etc; 6th is

Satoguna

> earthen Bhava means your knowledge how to lead , work the

knowledge

> to collect , service and the 10th is earthen Rajoguna house shows

the

> Vasna or determinations of an individual to work.

> > With Best Wishes,

> > Inder Jit Sahni

> >

> > -

> > Bhaskar

> >

> > Monday, November 27, 2006 7:34 PM

> > Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

> >

> >

> > Dear Jagdishji,

> >

> > Oh yes they should certainly fructify.

> > We have Vipareeta Raj Yoga and neech Bhanga RajaYoga

> > too, to make this claim strong.

> > Apart from that 6th by itself figuring is also a very good

> > Bhava for Dhana, because its 12th to the partners,

> > which means money will come to us through business dealings,

> > partnerships, selling goods to consumers, from servcies given to

> > people etc. 6th, 8th and 12th apart fom being dreadful houses fo

> > the commonly known reasons, viz.disease,death and

> hospitalisation,

> > as per law of duality in Nature have their good effects too to

> give to

> > the native. 8th for example gives inheritance, gratuity, dowry

and

> > Accident Insurance too among others. Of course for this

> > house , positives will be gained only after some tragedy or

> > unhappiness

> > as per the dictums of this house. The 12th Bhava is very

important

> > for investments. We see the 12th for all types of investments

> > especially for setting up factories, or industry the 12th is a

> very

> > important Bhava. 5 and 8 is a good Dhana Yoga, 6 and 8 is

> > a good Dhana Yoga, 2,6 and 12 is again a Good Yoga for

> > wealth coming in after investing etc. You can form your own

> > combinations. And of course you must be knowing the already

> mentioned

> > Yogas in the classics, when the Lords of Dusthanas sit in

another

> > Dusthana

> > its a Raj Yoga. But again when the Planet in power, which makes

> the

> > Yoga,

> > comes as dasha Lord in the life of the native, only then would

he

> get

> > the

> > fruits of these Dhana Yogas.

> >

> > Have You joined my Forum as yet ?

> > /

> >

> > At times I feel I should stop writing in any Forum due to my

> blunt

> > nature

> >

> > and free style of writing from the heart I tend to be

> misunderstood.

> > In this Forum Chandrasekharji whom I do not know and neither

have

> > any sort of grudge has unnecessary come in my line of fire,

> without

> > any fault of his neither mines. Actually when I talk strongly

on

> > Astrology

> > pointersI tend to get carried away and cannot accept anything

> which

> > should be

> > supposed to be understood without being having to said or

> explained.

> > But at the time of writing we forget to stand in the other

> persons

> > shoes ,

> > for a moment which is my fault. I hope not to hurt anyone for

> > some time now.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji

> > >

> > > When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th)

then

> do

> > they fructify ?

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > Jagdish

> > >

> >

> > , Prathamesn Chawan

> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar Ji

> > >

> > > When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th)

then

> do

> > they fructify ?

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > Jagdish

> > >

> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote: Dear Jagdishji,

> > >

> > > Hello.

> > > After a long time. Nice to see You active.

> > > I never knew You were on this Forum.

> > > Well You may call me millionare,or a billionare

> > > too by inheritance, but nothing in hands.

> > > Otherwise living a middle class comfortable life.

> > > But if You remember me well then You know I am

> > > a king with a Kingdom and without one too.

> > > Does not matter.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > > , Prathamesn Chawan

> > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rampriya Ji

> > > >

> > > > When 2nd lord is in 8th then person does not talk much.

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, you must be a millionare ?

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > >

> > > > jagdish

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote: Dear Rampriyaji,

> > > >

> > > > My 2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in the 11th in Gemini along

> > > > with the Ascendant Lord which is the Sun.

> > > > Are you trying to figure any losses due to speech or why

> > > > the speech is at times rude or whether the 2nd lord is not

> > > > in a right position to be in. If that is the case then

there

> > > > are other reasons for the same.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , "D Ramapriya"

> > <ramapriya.d@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Is your 2nd lord in the 8th bhava in your chart, by any

> > chance?

> > > > >

> > > > > Ramapriya

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate

> > > > > > member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know

> > > > > > that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of

> > > > > > all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri

> > > > > > Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will

> > > > > > find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but

> > > > > > my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my

> > > > > > respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean

> > > > > > that we show disrespect. But a point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And you should have watched the intent and not the

content

> > > > > > when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am

sure

> > > > > > it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to

> > > > > > give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the

> > > > > > benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to

> read

> > the

> > > > > > same in books available in the market or on websites,

> > instead

> > > > > > of You spending time on this Basic stuff.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No human in the world knows all-total about astrology.

> > > > > > I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able

to

> > > crush

> > > > me in

> > > > > > many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it

> > imply ?

> > > > > > Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite

> > > universal

> > > > that

> > > > > > you know part of something and I know part of

something,

> > but

> > > none

> > > > of

> > > > > > us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-

> > gulla

> > > > > > about it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I request the members to watch the exchanges only as

> healthy

> > > > > > astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to

> > > > > > astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange

> > becomes

> > > > > > personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you

as

> > > > responsible

> > > > > > members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting

> > fires

> > > and

> > > > > > hurling brick bats only at one party without

contributing

> or

> > > > > > understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to

> > > > > > sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and

> > > crtiticse

> > > > > > the players on the field playing cricket for India, but

> > > actually

> > > > > > when one plays then he knows wjats going on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and

if

> > you

> > > also

> > > > > > notice that is why all my mails have been detailed

trying

> > to

> > > > explain

> > > > > > certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does

not

> > take

> > > more

> > > > > > than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person

> try

> > to

> > > > write

> > > > > > long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know

> how

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > > diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions.

> When

> > > they

> > > > talk

> > > > > > they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the

> heart.

> > > > > > Please include me in this category of unpolished,

> primitive

> > and

> > > > > > undiplomatic lot.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > mahaluxmi iyer

> > > > > > <astromahaluxmi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it pained me a lot too.

> > > > > > > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in

> age

> > but

> > > > > > knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these

> > > > discussions.

> > > > > > having read much of the shastras in original samskrit,

> has

> > also

> > > > > > willingly shared many gems of explanataions with

members

> on

> > > this

> > > > > > group. is humble and answers all queries without

allowing

> > any

> > > > > > negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast

> > > knowledge. i

> > > > > > think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as

> is

> > > evident

> > > > > > from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is

rare

> > > indeed

> > > > to

> > > > > > find men of substance who keep their cool despite the

> vast

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not

clannish

> > and

> > > > deals

> > > > > > with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of

> > groups,

> > > > > > schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key

and

> > not

> > > the

> > > > > > student or querist's background.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > he certainly deserves respect from us all.

> > > > > > > mahalakshmi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not

able

> to

> > > teach

> > > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when

I

> > am

> > > > already

> > > > > > > into teaching College students."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has

> > > contributed

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > to this group and to many in this group individually.

> > While

> > > I

> > > > am not

> > > > > > > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone

else,

> I

> > > would

> > > > > > request

> > > > > > > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone

> else.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We do not meet most members of this forum in person,

> that

> > > should

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > us doubly kind towards various contributors.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My 2cents.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Shankar

> > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrasekharji said-

> > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation

> who

> > > did

> > > > not

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are

> evading

> > the

> > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit.

> Please

> > > allow

> > > > me

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

> > that

> > > part

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > question.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did

not

> > have

> > > the

> > > > > > luxury

> > > > > > > > of calculators, because every astrologer should

know

> > how

> > > to

> > > > cast a

> > > > > > > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal

House

> > > > division,

> > > > > > > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to

calculate

> > the

> > > > Degrees

> > > > > > > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses.

Should

> > know

> > > how

> > > > > > > > much and where the difference will come even if

RAMC

> > > > calculation

> > > > > > > > of one difference is there.He should also know the

> > meaning

> > > of

> > > > > > > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be

aware

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > developments and improvisations done by the

stalwarts

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if

india.

> > If a

> > > > > > > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a

> > > > mathematical

> > > > > > > > Query.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not

able

> > to

> > > teach

> > > > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school,

when

> I

> > am

> > > > already

> > > > > > > > into teaching College students. Its a precious

> wasteage

> > of

> > > > time,

> > > > > > > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from

that

> i

> > > really

> > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and

> > especially

> > > > > > > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this

> question

> > at

> > > all.

> > > > > > > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and

meeting

> > the

> > > > > > > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may

> pick

> > up

> > > > > > > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will

find

> the

> > > > > > > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats

> > > wherefrom

> > > > > > > > I learnt 20 years back.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I

asked

> > > about

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > being in

> > > > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> > > definition

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at

> 1degree

> > > Aries

> > > > and

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even

simpler

> > what

> > > lord

> > > > > > ship

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it

> even

> > > > simpler,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

> > degrees

> > > of

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > > > each rasi?//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you

> had

> > put

> > > a

> > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > example to make your question logical to

> understand.But

> > if

> > > you

> > > > > > > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > > > > > > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the

Bhava/Cusp,,

> > the

> > > > Lord of

> > > > > > > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If

> two

> > > Bhavas

> > > > > > fall in

> > > > > > > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for

> > both

> > > the

> > > > > > signs.

> > > > > > > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees

of

> > each

> > > > Bhava

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person,

> and

> > > > whether You

> > > > > > > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house

system

> > or

> > > > whatever.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without

the

> > > benefit

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should

ask

> > > yourself

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

> > chalit

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local

> > pandit

> > > in a

> > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit

in

> a

> > > Chart.

> > > > Why

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > the software companies since last 30 years

existence

> in

> > > India,

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the

> printed

> > > chart ?

> > > > > > They

> > > > > > > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you

> see

> > a

> > > hand

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > talk about general

> > > > > > > > character of a person, in the same way only

> > > generalisations

> > > > can

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions

> which

> > > will

> > > > > > > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help

of

> > the

> > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > Chart, no doubt about it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious

time.I

> > > request

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > those indulging in this to please do their homework

> and

> > > have

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > basics right before putting up questions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -- In <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation

> who

> > > did

> > > > not

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are

> evading

> > the

> > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit.

> Please

> > > allow

> > > > me

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

> > that

> > > part

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked

> > about

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> > > definition

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at

> 1degree

> > > Aries

> > > > and

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even

simpler

> > what

> > > lord

> > > > > > ship

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it

> even

> > > > simpler,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

> > degrees

> > > of

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > > > each rasi?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the

> > > benefit of

> > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should

ask

> > > yourself

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

> > chalit

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone

> should

> > > know,

> > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that

most

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict

when

> > they

> > > do

> > > > not

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit

> > chart.Even

> > > 30

> > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the

> recent

> > > lot do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > know,

> > > > > > > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the

aptitude

> > to

> > > go

> > > > to a

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > class/school to study the same, through a

> qualified

> > > > teacher.

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered

> > > recently

> > > > few

> > > > > > weeks

> > > > > > > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient

sages

> > knew

> > > > about

> > > > > > it of

> > > > > > > > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually

> > > without

> > > > the

> > > > > > use of

> > > > > > > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question

of

> > > lordships

> > > > > > > > assigned

> > > > > > > > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a

Rashi

> > > means ? -

> > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or

> Shripati

> > or

> > > > > > Placidus,

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you

> chose

> > > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > matter,

> > > > > > > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear

> Chandresekharji

> > I

> > > > would

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as

early

> as

> > > > > > possible, as

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > see some potential in you which should not be

> > wasted.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

<%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in

> Vedic

> > > > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > > > > having

> > > > > > > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see

> > your

> > > > point of

> > > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters

> > chosen,

> > > you

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > stick to

> > > > > > > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are

> > allotted

> > > > when

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > lagna is

> > > > > > > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your

> thoughts

> > > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > highly

> > > > > > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come

from

> a

> > > person

> > > > of

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good

> > astrologer

> > > is a

> > > > > > place

> > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known

> > among,

> > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence

> you

> > may

> > > not

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya

> Vidya

> > > > > > > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best

in

> > the

> > > > World,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass

out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least

> to

> > > listen

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > review,

> > > > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some

> > approach

> > > > > > > > suggested. So

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying

> Bhava

> > > Chalit

> > > > and

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to

> > > understanbd

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common

> > approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because

of

> a

> > > > categorical

> > > > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being

well

> > > known. I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > not yet

> > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of

this

> > age

> > > to to

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > out if

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results

> > promised,

> > > > even

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am

> > nobody to

> > > > > > comment.

> > > > > > > > I was

> > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been

misunderstood

> > by

> > > Your

> > > > > > > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was

a

> > > general

> > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a

Sanskrit

> > > term,

> > > > cause

> > > > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude

> > > language.

> > > > This

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > neither

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a

term

> > used

> > > to

> > > > > > make the

> > > > > > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning

and

> > > depth of

> > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or

> Army

> > > > generals,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts,

in

> > the

> > > > absence

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can

> see

> > > > hundreds

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and

> friends

> > and

> > > > family

> > > > > > > > members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas,

but

> > > > actually not

> > > > > > > > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations

and

> in

> > > > > > Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving

> > desired

> > > > results

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of

the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound

explanation

> > for

> > > why a

> > > > > > > > incident

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or

why

> it

> > > has

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching

> for

> > > > reasons

> > > > > > > > logically,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava

> Chalit

> > is

> > > the

> > > > key

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek

PanchaMahapurusha

> > > Yogas in

> > > > > > todays

> > > > > > > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good

> placements

> > to

> > > see

> > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a

certain

> > > > department

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would

> become

> > a

> > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > not,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily

> happy

> > by

> > > > > > calling him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be

> > found in

> > > > > > plenty in

> > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is

the

> > art

> > > of

> > > > > > > > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would

> this

> > Yoga

> > > > > > fructify.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics

to

> > know

> > > > about

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good

> > astrologer

> > > in

> > > > a

> > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > > > town too

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you

> > happen

> > > to

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > and ask

> > > > > > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to

> predict

> > > > > > perfectly

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has

> the

> > > > required

> > > > > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are

> reading

> > > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the

> right

> > > way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary

> person

> > to

> > > > person,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of

> > approaching

> > > > > > matters. We

> > > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas

you

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > did in

> > > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if

> > they

> > > did

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > isolation

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts

> is

> > > > something

> > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in

> Sanskrit,

> > I

> > > > assume

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not

> comment

> > on

> > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I

have

> > read

> > > more

> > > > > > than 2

> > > > > > > > or 3

> > > > > > > > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web

> as

> > even

> > > > > > > > calculators

> > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology.

> Could

> > you

> > > > quote

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on

Bhava

> > > Chalit,

> > > > as

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > call

> > > > > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or

practiced

> by

> > > > rishis.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you

> must

> > > have

> > > > seen

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts

> > fructify

> > > and

> > > > make

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas

does

> > HAS

> > > to do

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also

> known

> > as

> > > the

> > > > > > Khokha

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso

> > mangoes

> > > from

> > > > > > > > outside,

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe

> mangoes.

> > > > Otherwise

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying

in

> > > > millions of

> > > > > > > > peoples

> > > > > > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually

> to

> > be

> > > made

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers

do

> > not

> > > > know,

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-

3

> > > books or

> > > > > > > > visiting

> > > > > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of

> Bhava

> > > Chalit

> > > > > > (Cuspal

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ?

> For

> > the

> > > > simple

> > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean

> > > combinations if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are

> > positioned

> > > > become

> > > > > > > > secondary

> > > > > > > > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the

real

> > > sense of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > term,

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I

do

> not

> > > > > > understand .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not

> have

> > so

> > > many

> > > > > > > > planets to

> > > > > > > > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds

of

> > > > Chandradi

> > > > > > Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to

in

> > this

> > > > case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it

> strictly

> > > means

> > > > > > > > > > combinations in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava

> > Chalit

> > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person

walking

> > on

> > > the

> > > > road

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a

> Panchamahapurusha

> > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I

> > mentioned

> > > in

> > > > my

> > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked

> > whether

> > > it

> > > > > > mantains

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in

the

> > Bhava

> > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > then it

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am

claiming

> > this

> > > > > > strongly

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the

> > > discussion

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava

> > > chalit,

> > > > which

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason

has

> > to

> > > do

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and

> positive

> > > yogas

> > > > and

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before

arriving

> at

> > the

> > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must

> > also

> > > try

> > > > to

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will

> give

> > > > positive

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is

occupying

> > > Scorpio

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Venus in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini

> with

> > Sun

> > > > also

> > > > > > in,

> > > > > > > > say,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the

> > results

> > > of

> > > > > > > > Chandraadhi

> > > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal

> > > > experience,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas

Yogas

> > which

> > > > > > appear to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the

results

> > > shown,

> > > > cause

> > > > > > > > when we

> > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal

> Chart),

> > one

> > > > planet

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in

> Kendra

> > and

> > > > other

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > go in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid

> Yogas

> > > weak

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from

> > Chandrasekharji

> > > and

> > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > 40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was

> > written

> > > in

> > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread

> was

> > > there

> > > > so

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually

sevenths?

> I

> > do

> > > not

> > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > so.

> > > > > > > > > > Please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can

never

> be

> > in

> > > > Mutual

> > > > > > > > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can

> be

> > > only 28

> > > > > > > > degrees if

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It

is

> > > pretty

> > > > > > common

> > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the

> > distance

> > > > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20

> > degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06,

ashwin_062k

> > > > > > <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%

> > > > 40>>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that

> when

> > > surya

> > > > and

> > > > > > budh

> > > > > > > > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths,

> > forms "budha-

> > > > > > adhithya"

> > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that

> > combustion

> > > > > > occurs

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the

> surya

> > > from

> > > > > > behind at

> > > > > > > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets

combust

> > > > > > in "retograde"

> > > > > > > > > > motion

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather

> > eclipse

> > > the

> > > > > > surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a

> > chart

> > > in

> > > > which

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > distance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8

mts.

> I

> > > > presume

> > > > > > here,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or

> > unable

> > > to

> > > > > > perform.

> > > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am

i

> > > missing

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct,

> the

> > > > > > budhaditya

> > > > > > > > yoga in

> > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of

combustion.

> > And

> > > do

> > > > let

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal

opinion,

> > > > budhaditya

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more

than

> > half

> > > the

> > > > > > world's

> > > > > > > > > > > > population

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

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[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar,

You have two issues before you to one was posted by SPK about some chart , other is RamPriya chart why dont you differentiate; how you will rate change of Moon from 3rd cusp sublord to Mars.How will the cusp lords change from differ through yogas.

Does he communicate in pinching style or humor?

I will surely help in it.

Try to show astrology than the comments.

With Best Wishes,

Inder Jit sahni

-

Bhaskar

Tuesday, November 28, 2006 2:44 PM

Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

 

 

Dear Inderjitji,

 

All the while I was discusing with the Non-believers of the

advantages of Bhava-Chalit, and you were present as a KP

Practitioner since last 24 years, then certainly you should be

knowing more than anyone else over here about the Bhava Chalit.

That would be the tribute you could pay to Kp system which must

have given you some name and fame in your circles I presume.

 

Will wait for your valued inputs regarding Bhava Chalit.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, "Inder Jit Sahni"

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

> You are writing to a person , who had practiced 24 years in KP

alone. KP is only one taste from the ocean of astrology and there are

still left behind many , you will learn with time.

> Inder Jit sahni

> -

> Bhaskar

>

> Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:28 AM

> Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

>

>

> Dear Inderjitji,

>

> KP is the cream churned from the Milk Parashar. All same actually.

> I liked the way you described the 3 Gunas. More planets in any

> particular Guna in a chart also decides about the nature of the

native

> in majority.

>

> Best wishes

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "Inder Jit Sahni"

> <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote:

> >

> > This of course is KP concept which is not absorbed by Vedic ,

the

> correct use of 6th is , it is trine to 2nd house the another

being

> 10th; Lagna being Rajoguni 2nd house is Tamoguni , for any thing

to

> fructify in real all the three Gunas shall work; 2nd is Earthen

> Tamoguna Bhava , means collections possessions etc; 6th is

Satoguna

> earthen Bhava means your knowledge how to lead , work the

knowledge

> to collect , service and the 10th is earthen Rajoguna house shows

the

> Vasna or determinations of an individual to work.

> > With Best Wishes,

> > Inder Jit Sahni

> >

> > -

> > Bhaskar

> >

> > Monday, November 27, 2006 7:34 PM

> > Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

> >

> >

> > Dear Jagdishji,

> >

> > Oh yes they should certainly fructify.

> > We have Vipareeta Raj Yoga and neech Bhanga RajaYoga

> > too, to make this claim strong.

> > Apart from that 6th by itself figuring is also a very good

> > Bhava for Dhana, because its 12th to the partners,

> > which means money will come to us through business dealings,

> > partnerships, selling goods to consumers, from servcies given to

> > people etc. 6th, 8th and 12th apart fom being dreadful houses fo

> > the commonly known reasons, viz.disease,death and

> hospitalisation,

> > as per law of duality in Nature have their good effects too to

> give to

> > the native. 8th for example gives inheritance, gratuity, dowry

and

> > Accident Insurance too among others. Of course for this

> > house , positives will be gained only after some tragedy or

> > unhappiness

> > as per the dictums of this house. The 12th Bhava is very

important

> > for investments. We see the 12th for all types of investments

> > especially for setting up factories, or industry the 12th is a

> very

> > important Bhava. 5 and 8 is a good Dhana Yoga, 6 and 8 is

> > a good Dhana Yoga, 2,6 and 12 is again a Good Yoga for

> > wealth coming in after investing etc. You can form your own

> > combinations. And of course you must be knowing the already

> mentioned

> > Yogas in the classics, when the Lords of Dusthanas sit in

another

> > Dusthana

> > its a Raj Yoga. But again when the Planet in power, which makes

> the

> > Yoga,

> > comes as dasha Lord in the life of the native, only then would

he

> get

> > the

> > fruits of these Dhana Yogas.

> >

> > Have You joined my Forum as yet ?

> > /

> >

> > At times I feel I should stop writing in any Forum due to my

> blunt

> > nature

> >

> > and free style of writing from the heart I tend to be

> misunderstood.

> > In this Forum Chandrasekharji whom I do not know and neither

have

> > any sort of grudge has unnecessary come in my line of fire,

> without

> > any fault of his neither mines. Actually when I talk strongly

on

> > Astrology

> > pointersI tend to get carried away and cannot accept anything

> which

> > should be

> > supposed to be understood without being having to said or

> explained.

> > But at the time of writing we forget to stand in the other

> persons

> > shoes ,

> > for a moment which is my fault. I hope not to hurt anyone for

> > some time now.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji

> > >

> > > When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th)

then

> do

> > they fructify ?

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > Jagdish

> > >

> >

> > , Prathamesn Chawan

> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar Ji

> > >

> > > When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th)

then

> do

> > they fructify ?

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > Jagdish

> > >

> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote: Dear Jagdishji,

> > >

> > > Hello.

> > > After a long time. Nice to see You active.

> > > I never knew You were on this Forum.

> > > Well You may call me millionare,or a billionare

> > > too by inheritance, but nothing in hands.

> > > Otherwise living a middle class comfortable life.

> > > But if You remember me well then You know I am

> > > a king with a Kingdom and without one too.

> > > Does not matter.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > > , Prathamesn Chawan

> > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rampriya Ji

> > > >

> > > > When 2nd lord is in 8th then person does not talk much.

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, you must be a millionare ?

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > >

> > > > jagdish

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote: Dear Rampriyaji,

> > > >

> > > > My 2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in the 11th in Gemini along

> > > > with the Ascendant Lord which is the Sun.

> > > > Are you trying to figure any losses due to speech or why

> > > > the speech is at times rude or whether the 2nd lord is not

> > > > in a right position to be in. If that is the case then

there

> > > > are other reasons for the same.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , "D Ramapriya"

> > <ramapriya.d@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Is your 2nd lord in the 8th bhava in your chart, by any

> > chance?

> > > > >

> > > > > Ramapriya

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate

> > > > > > member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know

> > > > > > that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of

> > > > > > all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri

> > > > > > Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will

> > > > > > find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but

> > > > > > my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my

> > > > > > respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean

> > > > > > that we show disrespect. But a point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And you should have watched the intent and not the

content

> > > > > > when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am

sure

> > > > > > it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to

> > > > > > give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the

> > > > > > benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to

> read

> > the

> > > > > > same in books available in the market or on websites,

> > instead

> > > > > > of You spending time on this Basic stuff.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No human in the world knows all-total about astrology.

> > > > > > I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able

to

> > > crush

> > > > me in

> > > > > > many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it

> > imply ?

> > > > > > Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite

> > > universal

> > > > that

> > > > > > you know part of something and I know part of

something,

> > but

> > > none

> > > > of

> > > > > > us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-

> > gulla

> > > > > > about it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I request the members to watch the exchanges only as

> healthy

> > > > > > astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to

> > > > > > astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange

> > becomes

> > > > > > personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you

as

> > > > responsible

> > > > > > members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting

> > fires

> > > and

> > > > > > hurling brick bats only at one party without

contributing

> or

> > > > > > understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to

> > > > > > sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and

> > > crtiticse

> > > > > > the players on the field playing cricket for India, but

> > > actually

> > > > > > when one plays then he knows wjats going on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and

if

> > you

> > > also

> > > > > > notice that is why all my mails have been detailed

trying

> > to

> > > > explain

> > > > > > certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does

not

> > take

> > > more

> > > > > > than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person

> try

> > to

> > > > write

> > > > > > long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know

> how

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > > diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions.

> When

> > > they

> > > > talk

> > > > > > they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the

> heart.

> > > > > > Please include me in this category of unpolished,

> primitive

> > and

> > > > > > undiplomatic lot.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > mahaluxmi iyer

> > > > > > <astromahaluxmi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it pained me a lot too.

> > > > > > > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in

> age

> > but

> > > > > > knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these

> > > > discussions.

> > > > > > having read much of the shastras in original samskrit,

> has

> > also

> > > > > > willingly shared many gems of explanataions with

members

> on

> > > this

> > > > > > group. is humble and answers all queries without

allowing

> > any

> > > > > > negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast

> > > knowledge. i

> > > > > > think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as

> is

> > > evident

> > > > > > from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is

rare

> > > indeed

> > > > to

> > > > > > find men of substance who keep their cool despite the

> vast

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not

clannish

> > and

> > > > deals

> > > > > > with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of

> > groups,

> > > > > > schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key

and

> > not

> > > the

> > > > > > student or querist's background.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > he certainly deserves respect from us all.

> > > > > > > mahalakshmi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not

able

> to

> > > teach

> > > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when

I

> > am

> > > > already

> > > > > > > into teaching College students."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has

> > > contributed

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > to this group and to many in this group individually.

> > While

> > > I

> > > > am not

> > > > > > > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone

else,

> I

> > > would

> > > > > > request

> > > > > > > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone

> else.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We do not meet most members of this forum in person,

> that

> > > should

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > us doubly kind towards various contributors.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My 2cents.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Shankar

> > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrasekharji said-

> > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation

> who

> > > did

> > > > not

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are

> evading

> > the

> > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit.

> Please

> > > allow

> > > > me

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

> > that

> > > part

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > question.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did

not

> > have

> > > the

> > > > > > luxury

> > > > > > > > of calculators, because every astrologer should

know

> > how

> > > to

> > > > cast a

> > > > > > > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal

House

> > > > division,

> > > > > > > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to

calculate

> > the

> > > > Degrees

> > > > > > > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses.

Should

> > know

> > > how

> > > > > > > > much and where the difference will come even if

RAMC

> > > > calculation

> > > > > > > > of one difference is there.He should also know the

> > meaning

> > > of

> > > > > > > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be

aware

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > developments and improvisations done by the

stalwarts

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if

india.

> > If a

> > > > > > > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a

> > > > mathematical

> > > > > > > > Query.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not

able

> > to

> > > teach

> > > > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school,

when

> I

> > am

> > > > already

> > > > > > > > into teaching College students. Its a precious

> wasteage

> > of

> > > > time,

> > > > > > > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from

that

> i

> > > really

> > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and

> > especially

> > > > > > > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this

> question

> > at

> > > all.

> > > > > > > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and

meeting

> > the

> > > > > > > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may

> pick

> > up

> > > > > > > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will

find

> the

> > > > > > > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats

> > > wherefrom

> > > > > > > > I learnt 20 years back.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I

asked

> > > about

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > being in

> > > > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> > > definition

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at

> 1degree

> > > Aries

> > > > and

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even

simpler

> > what

> > > lord

> > > > > > ship

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it

> even

> > > > simpler,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

> > degrees

> > > of

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > > > each rasi?//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you

> had

> > put

> > > a

> > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > example to make your question logical to

> understand.But

> > if

> > > you

> > > > > > > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > > > > > > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the

Bhava/Cusp,,

> > the

> > > > Lord of

> > > > > > > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If

> two

> > > Bhavas

> > > > > > fall in

> > > > > > > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for

> > both

> > > the

> > > > > > signs.

> > > > > > > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees

of

> > each

> > > > Bhava

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person,

> and

> > > > whether You

> > > > > > > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house

system

> > or

> > > > whatever.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without

the

> > > benefit

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should

ask

> > > yourself

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

> > chalit

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local

> > pandit

> > > in a

> > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit

in

> a

> > > Chart.

> > > > Why

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > the software companies since last 30 years

existence

> in

> > > India,

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the

> printed

> > > chart ?

> > > > > > They

> > > > > > > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you

> see

> > a

> > > hand

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > talk about general

> > > > > > > > character of a person, in the same way only

> > > generalisations

> > > > can

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions

> which

> > > will

> > > > > > > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help

of

> > the

> > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > Chart, no doubt about it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious

time.I

> > > request

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > those indulging in this to please do their homework

> and

> > > have

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > basics right before putting up questions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -- In <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation

> who

> > > did

> > > > not

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are

> evading

> > the

> > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit.

> Please

> > > allow

> > > > me

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on

> > that

> > > part

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked

> > about

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your

> > > definition

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at

> 1degree

> > > Aries

> > > > and

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even

simpler

> > what

> > > lord

> > > > > > ship

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it

> even

> > > > simpler,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

> > degrees

> > > of

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > > > each rasi?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the

> > > benefit of

> > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should

ask

> > > yourself

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava

> > chalit

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone

> should

> > > know,

> > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that

most

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict

when

> > they

> > > do

> > > > not

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit

> > chart.Even

> > > 30

> > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the

> recent

> > > lot do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > know,

> > > > > > > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the

aptitude

> > to

> > > go

> > > > to a

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > class/school to study the same, through a

> qualified

> > > > teacher.

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered

> > > recently

> > > > few

> > > > > > weeks

> > > > > > > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient

sages

> > knew

> > > > about

> > > > > > it of

> > > > > > > > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually

> > > without

> > > > the

> > > > > > use of

> > > > > > > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question

of

> > > lordships

> > > > > > > > assigned

> > > > > > > > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a

Rashi

> > > means ? -

> > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or

> Shripati

> > or

> > > > > > Placidus,

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you

> chose

> > > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > matter,

> > > > > > > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear

> Chandresekharji

> > I

> > > > would

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as

early

> as

> > > > > > possible, as

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > see some potential in you which should not be

> > wasted.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

<%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in

> Vedic

> > > > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > > > > having

> > > > > > > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see

> > your

> > > > point of

> > > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters

> > chosen,

> > > you

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > stick to

> > > > > > > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are

> > allotted

> > > > when

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > lagna is

> > > > > > > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your

> thoughts

> > > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > highly

> > > > > > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come

from

> a

> > > person

> > > > of

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good

> > astrologer

> > > is a

> > > > > > place

> > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known

> > among,

> > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence

> you

> > may

> > > not

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya

> Vidya

> > > > > > > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best

in

> > the

> > > > World,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass

out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least

> to

> > > listen

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > review,

> > > > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some

> > approach

> > > > > > > > suggested. So

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying

> Bhava

> > > Chalit

> > > > and

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to

> > > understanbd

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common

> > approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because

of

> a

> > > > categorical

> > > > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being

well

> > > known. I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > not yet

> > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of

this

> > age

> > > to to

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > out if

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results

> > promised,

> > > > even

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am

> > nobody to

> > > > > > comment.

> > > > > > > > I was

> > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been

misunderstood

> > by

> > > Your

> > > > > > > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was

a

> > > general

> > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a

Sanskrit

> > > term,

> > > > cause

> > > > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude

> > > language.

> > > > This

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > neither

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a

term

> > used

> > > to

> > > > > > make the

> > > > > > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning

and

> > > depth of

> > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or

> Army

> > > > generals,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts,

in

> > the

> > > > absence

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can

> see

> > > > hundreds

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and

> friends

> > and

> > > > family

> > > > > > > > members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas,

but

> > > > actually not

> > > > > > > > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations

and

> in

> > > > > > Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving

> > desired

> > > > results

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of

the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound

explanation

> > for

> > > why a

> > > > > > > > incident

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or

why

> it

> > > has

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching

> for

> > > > reasons

> > > > > > > > logically,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava

> Chalit

> > is

> > > the

> > > > key

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek

PanchaMahapurusha

> > > Yogas in

> > > > > > todays

> > > > > > > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good

> placements

> > to

> > > see

> > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a

certain

> > > > department

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would

> become

> > a

> > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > not,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily

> happy

> > by

> > > > > > calling him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be

> > found in

> > > > > > plenty in

> > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is

the

> > art

> > > of

> > > > > > > > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would

> this

> > Yoga

> > > > > > fructify.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics

to

> > know

> > > > about

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good

> > astrologer

> > > in

> > > > a

> > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > > > town too

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you

> > happen

> > > to

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > and ask

> > > > > > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to

> predict

> > > > > > perfectly

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has

> the

> > > > required

> > > > > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are

> reading

> > > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the

> right

> > > way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary

> person

> > to

> > > > person,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of

> > approaching

> > > > > > matters. We

> > > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas

you

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > did in

> > > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if

> > they

> > > did

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > isolation

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts

> is

> > > > something

> > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in

> Sanskrit,

> > I

> > > > assume

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not

> comment

> > on

> > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I

have

> > read

> > > more

> > > > > > than 2

> > > > > > > > or 3

> > > > > > > > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web

> as

> > even

> > > > > > > > calculators

> > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology.

> Could

> > you

> > > > quote

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on

Bhava

> > > Chalit,

> > > > as

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > call

> > > > > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or

practiced

> by

> > > > rishis.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you

> must

> > > have

> > > > seen

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts

> > fructify

> > > and

> > > > make

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas

does

> > HAS

> > > to do

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also

> known

> > as

> > > the

> > > > > > Khokha

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso

> > mangoes

> > > from

> > > > > > > > outside,

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe

> mangoes.

> > > > Otherwise

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying

in

> > > > millions of

> > > > > > > > peoples

> > > > > > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually

> to

> > be

> > > made

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers

do

> > not

> > > > know,

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-

3

> > > books or

> > > > > > > > visiting

> > > > > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of

> Bhava

> > > Chalit

> > > > > > (Cuspal

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ?

> For

> > the

> > > > simple

> > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean

> > > combinations if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are

> > positioned

> > > > become

> > > > > > > > secondary

> > > > > > > > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the

real

> > > sense of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > term,

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I

do

> not

> > > > > > understand .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not

> have

> > so

> > > many

> > > > > > > > planets to

> > > > > > > > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds

of

> > > > Chandradi

> > > > > > Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to

in

> > this

> > > > case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it

> strictly

> > > means

> > > > > > > > > > combinations in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava

> > Chalit

> > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person

walking

> > on

> > > the

> > > > road

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a

> Panchamahapurusha

> > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I

> > mentioned

> > > in

> > > > my

> > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked

> > whether

> > > it

> > > > > > mantains

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in

the

> > Bhava

> > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > then it

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am

claiming

> > this

> > > > > > strongly

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the

> > > discussion

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava

> > > chalit,

> > > > which

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason

has

> > to

> > > do

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and

> positive

> > > yogas

> > > > and

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before

arriving

> at

> > the

> > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must

> > also

> > > try

> > > > to

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will

> give

> > > > positive

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is

occupying

> > > Scorpio

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Venus in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini

> with

> > Sun

> > > > also

> > > > > > in,

> > > > > > > > say,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the

> > results

> > > of

> > > > > > > > Chandraadhi

> > > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal

> > > > experience,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas

Yogas

> > which

> > > > > > appear to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the

results

> > > shown,

> > > > cause

> > > > > > > > when we

> > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal

> Chart),

> > one

> > > > planet

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in

> Kendra

> > and

> > > > other

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > go in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid

> Yogas

> > > weak

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from

> > Chandrasekharji

> > > and

> > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > 40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was

> > written

> > > in

> > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread

> was

> > > there

> > > > so

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually

sevenths?

> I

> > do

> > > not

> > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > so.

> > > > > > > > > > Please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can

never

> be

> > in

> > > > Mutual

> > > > > > > > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can

> be

> > > only 28

> > > > > > > > degrees if

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It

is

> > > pretty

> > > > > > common

> > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the

> > distance

> > > > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20

> > degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06,

ashwin_062k

> > > > > > <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%

> > > > 40>>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that

> when

> > > surya

> > > > and

> > > > > > budh

> > > > > > > > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths,

> > forms "budha-

> > > > > > adhithya"

> > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that

> > combustion

> > > > > > occurs

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the

> surya

> > > from

> > > > > > behind at

> > > > > > > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets

combust

> > > > > > in "retograde"

> > > > > > > > > > motion

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather

> > eclipse

> > > the

> > > > > > surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a

> > chart

> > > in

> > > > which

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > distance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8

mts.

> I

> > > > presume

> > > > > > here,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or

> > unable

> > > to

> > > > > > perform.

> > > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am

i

> > > missing

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct,

> the

> > > > > > budhaditya

> > > > > > > > yoga in

> > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of

combustion.

> > And

> > > do

> > > > let

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal

opinion,

> > > > budhaditya

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more

than

> > half

> > > the

> > > > > > world's

> > > > > > > > > > > > population

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

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[Guest guest]

On 11/28/06, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

>

> I do not use Placidus but Topocentric

>

 

Dear Inder jit,

 

That's very interesting Inder Jit not least because I remember starting a

thread on this subject a few years ago (don't remember the Group).

Topocentric appears very much more logical vis-a-vis geocentric, considering

that all ascendants are reckoned therefrom.

 

Ditto with when one should consider a planet as having entered a sign...

when the longitude of the center passes the rasi divide or at the ingress of

the outermost bit. You'll agree that the ramifications of the latter on the

Sun and Moon can be considerable.

 

Regards,

Ramapriya

[Guest guest]

Dear Mahalaxmiji,

 

Yes we have to accept what is wrong action done by us. In the same

way I accepted that I should not have pained either Shri

Chandrasekharji or anyone else,for which I had already begged to be

forgiven. I know that Chandrasekharji is a good man and so is

Rampriyaji, its just that we know many things but when it somes down

to practise, we start behaving like normal human beings without any

wiseness, as soon as we get hurt or are challenged or asked to prove

ourselves. though we should not as eternal students of astrology.

 

Yes Chandrasekharji has remained gracious, i did not see any single

mail addressed to me as impolite and thats why he commands the

affections which I have developed for him. And about Rampriyaji, (I

am still laughing while I write this,honestly), I dont know what

has got into him, hes after me ,some old janams hisaab-kitaab must be

pending, I do not know.,but its a shame that i too am responding to

his mails in the same way, which i should not. This shows that

talking like a Buddha and practising like one are two different

things. We have our base emotions which come on the fore, as soon as

they are provoked, but good God at least makes me realise this,and

maybe in time to come with His help may develop the negative emotions

into positive ones.

 

Yes God help us to forget the bitterness and keep the Humour intact.

I fully agree.

 

Kind wishes.

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, mahaluxmi iyer

<astromahaluxmi wrote:

>

> dear bhaskar

> thank you for your mail.

> it was with a heavy heart i wrote that mail. i am glad you took

it in the right spirit.

>

> also i must once again thank you for your divine diwali gift of

the e-book on swami yogananda's life. even though i suffered from

severe conjuctivitis this past fornight i read a few chapters each

day. such was my interest in it. what i read lifted my spirits. i

will never be able to forget this kind gesture of yours, ever. i

have shared this book with my elder sister who is also a very

spiritual person and to whom i owe my early interest in spirituality.

>

> since these past 10 months i have turned to shri chandrashekharji

to guide me on spirituality as well as clear any astological doubts i

may have.

> i must say never once has he hinted that he is the guru and i am

a learner. he is always gracious and says with all humility that the

learning process is mutual for the guru as well as the learner. he

and i both believe that this is indeed the right approach.

> he is also very witty with his wisdom. read this reply to a

query of mine regarding knowledge being exclusive to only a few,etc

and you will understand why he gets so much of my respect and

regard.

>

> "You will always find what you want to find. That is the path of

knowledge. That is why knowledge is equated to light. It can not

remain in dark forever. One who has eyesight is going to see it".

there's so much truth in this statement.

>

> there is mutual respect and no one feels superior to the other.

its the knowledge per se and not the 'I' or 'me' which comes between

knowledge seeking. i always remind myself of arjuna who could see

only the 'eye' of the fish when all the princes were asked by guru

dronacharya to take aim at the eye of this fish. such was his single-

minded focus.

> the journey is peaceful due to mutual respect. its rare to see a

guru like him who says he can do without the guru mantle as he is

also a learner even now. how very true for all of us. we never stop

learning throughout our lives.

>

> now you will truly understand why i had to write that mail

knowing this great man and his true in-depth knowledge.

>

> i have no right to hurt your feelings. i am truly sorry for the

same once again.

> each day when i open the e-book i pray for your happiness and

success in whatever you are doing in return for the wonderful gift

you gave me.

> god bless us all and make us forget all bitterness but keep the

humuor intact.

> mahalakshmi

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Dear Mahalakshmiji,

>

> No please do not embarass me. On the other hand I am feeling

> bad that that because of my style of writings I have caused pain

> to few members.

> Please, no need to affix ji and all that. This does not make

> me happy or sad. I am really above these things. When I mentioned

> this,it was just to show that I was not in anyway disrespecting

> the other member.

>

> Best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , mahaluxmi iyer

> <astromahaluxmi@> wrote:

> >

> > bhaskar ji

> > i am sorry if i have hurt you but thats how i felt. in my last

> post i had not addressed you as ji and this time i have rectified

> that mistake also.

> > mahalakshmi

> >

> >

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji,

> >

> > I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate

> > member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know

> > that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of

> > all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri

> > Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will

> > find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but

> > my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my

> > respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean

> > that we show disrespect. But a point.

> >

> > And you should have watched the intent and not the content

> > when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am sure

> > it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to

> > give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the

> > benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to read the

> > same in books available in the market or on websites, instead

> > of You spending time on this Basic stuff.

> >

> > No human in the world knows all-total about astrology.

> > I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able to crush

me

> in

> > many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it imply ?

> > Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite universal

> that

> > you know part of something and I know part of something, but none

> of

> > us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-gulla

> > about it.

> >

> > I request the members to watch the exchanges only as healthy

> > astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to

> > astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange becomes

> > personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you as

> responsible

> > members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting fires and

> > hurling brick bats only at one party without contributing or

> > understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to

> > sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and crtiticse

> > the players on the field playing cricket for India, but actually

> > when one plays then he knows wjats going on.

> >

> > For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and if you also

> > notice that is why all my mails have been detailed trying to

> explain

> > certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does not take

more

> > than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person try to

write

> > long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know how to be

> > diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions. When they

> talk

> > they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the heart.

> > Please include me in this category of unpolished, primitive and

> > undiplomatic lot.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , mahaluxmi iyer

> > <astromahaluxmi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > it pained me a lot too.

> > > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in age but

> > knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these

discussions.

> > having read much of the shastras in original samskrit, has also

> > willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members on this

> > group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing any

> > negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast knowledge. i

> > think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as is

evident

> > from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare indeed

to

> > find men of substance who keep their cool despite the vast

> knowledge

> > they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish and

deals

> > with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of groups,

> > schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and not the

> > student or querist's background.

> > >

> > > he certainly deserves respect from us all.

> > > mahalakshmi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote:

> > > Dear Bhaskar Ji:

> > >

> > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach

> > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am

already

> > > into teaching College students."

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has

contributed

> > much

> > > to this group and to many in this group individually. While I

am

> not

> > > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else, I would

> > request

> > > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone else.

> > >

> > > We do not meet most members of this forum in person, that

should

> > make

> > > us doubly kind towards various contributors.

> > >

> > > My 2cents.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Shankar

> > > , "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > >

> > > > Chandrasekharji said-

> > > > //

> > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did

not

> > have

> > > > the

> > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the

> > question

> > > > asked

> > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow

me

> > to

> > > > fulfill

> > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part

> of

> > the

> > > > question.//

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the

> > luxury

> > > > of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to

> cast a

> > > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House

division,

> > > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the

> Degrees

> > > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how

> > > > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC

calculation

> > > > of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of

> > > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the

> > > > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the

> > > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a

> > > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a

> mathematical

> > > > Query.

> > > >

> > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach

> > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am

> already

> > > > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of

> time,

> > > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really

> > feel

> > > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially

> > > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all.

> > > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the

> > > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up

> > > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the

> > > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom

> > > > I learnt 20 years back.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about

> Lagna

> > > > being in

> > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition

> of

> > > > rasis in

> > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries

> and

> > when

> > > > it

> > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what

lord

> > ship

> > > > will

> > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even

simpler,

> > if

> > > > you

> > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of

> each

> > > > bhava in

> > > > > each rasi?//

> > > >

> > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a

> > small

> > > > example to make your question logical to understand.But if you

> > > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the

Lord

> of

> > > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas

> > fall in

> > > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the

> > signs.

> > > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each

Bhava

> > in

> > > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and

whether

> You

> > > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or

> whatever.

> > > >

> > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit

> of

> > > > Bhava

> > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself

> as

> > > > according

> > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit

> chart.

> > > > > //

> > > >

> > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a

> > small

> > > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart.

> Why

> > are

> > > > the software companies since last 30 years existence in

India,

> > have

> > > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed

chart ?

> > They

> > > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a

hand

> > and

> > > > talk about general

> > > > character of a person, in the same way only generalisations

can

> > be

> > > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will

> > > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the

Chalit

> > > > Chart, no doubt about it.

> > > >

> > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request

> all

> > > > those indulging in this to please do their homework and have

> their

> > > > basics right before putting up questions.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -- In , Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did

not

> > have

> > > > the

> > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the

> > question

> > > > asked

> > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow

me

> > to

> > > > fulfill

> > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part

> of

> > the

> > > > question.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about

Lagna

> > being

> > > > in

> > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition

> of

> > > > rasis in

> > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries

> and

> > when

> > > > it

> > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what

lord

> > ship

> > > > will

> > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even

simpler,

> > if

> > > > you

> > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of

> each

> > > > bhava in

> > > > > each rasi?

> > > > >

> > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit

of

> > Bhava

> > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself

> as

> > > > according

> > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit

> chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know,

> but

> > > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do

> not

> > know

> > > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30

> > years

> > > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot

do

> > not

> > > > know,

> > > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go

to

> a

> > good

> > > > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified

teacher.

> > > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently

> few

> > weeks

> > > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew

> about

> > it of

> > > > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without

the

> > use of

> > > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of

lordships

> > > > assigned

> > > > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? -

--

> -

> > > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or

> > Placidus,

> > > > from

> > > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does

not

> > > > matter,

> > > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I

would

> > like

> > > > you

> > > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as

> > possible, as

> > > > I

> > > > > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic

> > astrology,

> > > > > > having

> > > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your

point

> of

> > > > view.

> > > > > > As

> > > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you

> > should

> > > > > > stick to

> > > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted

when

> > the

> > > > > > lagna is

> > > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would

be

> > highly

> > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person

> of

> > my

> > > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a

> > place

> > > > where

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among,

> > especially

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may

not

> > find

> > > > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya

> > > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the

World,

> > and

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen

> and

> > > > review,

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach

> > > > suggested. So

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit

> and

> > then

> > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd

> many

> > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a

> categorical

> > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I

> > have

> > > > not yet

> > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to

to

> > find

> > > > out if

> > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised,

even

> > when

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to

> > comment.

> > > > I was

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your

> > > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general

> > comment

> > > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term,

> cause

> > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language.

> This

> > is

> > > > > > neither

> > > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to

> > make the

> > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth

of

> > what is

> > > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army

> generals,

> > I

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the

> absence

> > of

> > > > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see

hundreds

> > of

> > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and

> family

> > > > members,

> > > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but

actually

> not

> > > > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in

> > Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired

> results

> > in

> > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why

a

> > > > incident

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has

not

> > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for

reasons

> > > > logically,

> > > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the

> key

> > for

> > > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas

in

> > todays

> > > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see

> > whether

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain

> department

> > or

> > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a

> > Mahapurusha

> > > > or

> > > > > > not,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by

> > calling him

> > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in

> > plenty in

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of

> > > > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga

> > fructify.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know

> about

> > the

> > > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in

a

> > small

> > > > > > town too

> > > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to

> > know

> > > > and ask

> > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict

> > perfectly

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the

> required

> > > > intuition

> > > > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from

> the

> > natal

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to

> person,

> > and

> > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching

> > matters. We

> > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you

mentioned

> > did in

> > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did

in

> > > > isolation

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is

> something

> > new

> > > > that

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I

> assume

> > it

> > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on

that.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read

more

> > than 2

> > > > or 3

> > > > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even

> > > > calculators

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you

> quote

> > any

> > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit,

as

> > you

> > > > call

> > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by

rishis.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have

> seen

> > all

> > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and

> make

> > > > people

> > > > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to

do

> > with

> > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as

the

> > Khokha

> > > > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes

from

> > > > outside,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes.

> Otherwise

> > how

> > > > do

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in

millions

> of

> > > > peoples

> > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be

made

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not

know,

> > for

> > > > they

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books

or

> > > > visiting

> > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit

> > (Cuspal

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the

> simple

> > > > reason

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations

if

> > you

> > > > quote

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned

> become

> > > > secondary

> > > > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense

of

> > the

> > > > term,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not

> > understand .

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so

many

> > > > planets to

> > > > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of

Chandradi

> > Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this

> case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means

> > > > > > combinations in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit

> chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the

> road

> > > > would

> > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a

astrologer

> > should

> > > > do

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in

> my

> > mail

> > > > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it

> > mantains

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava

> Chalit

> > > > then it

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this

> > strongly

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion

> on

> > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit,

> which

> > is

> > > > not a

> > > > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do

> with

> > the

> > > > fact

> > > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas

> and

> > an

> > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the

> > possible

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try

to

> > find

> > > > out

> > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give

> positive

> > or

> > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio

> and

> > > > Venus in

> > > > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun

also

> > in,

> > > > say,

> > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of

> > > > Chandraadhi

> > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal

experience,

> > the

> > > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which

> > appear to

> > > > be

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown,

> cause

> > > > when we

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one

> planet

> > may

> > > > go

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and

> other

> > may

> > > > go in

> > > > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak

in

> > > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and

> > others

> > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in

> > general

> > > > and

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there

so

> > my

> > > > mail

> > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not

> > think

> > > > so.

> > > > > > Please

> > > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in

> Mutual

> > > > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only

28

> > > > degrees if

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty

> > common

> > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance

> should

> > be

> > > > more

> > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k

> > <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%

40>>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya

> and

> > budh

> > > > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-

> > adhithya"

> > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion

> > occurs

> > > > when

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from

> > behind at

> > > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust

> > in "retograde"

> > > > > > motion

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse

the

> > surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in

> which

> > the

> > > > > > distance

> > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I

presume

> > here,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to

> > perform.

> > > > In

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing

> some

> > > > basic

> > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the

> > budhaditya

> > > > yoga in

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do

let

> > me

> > > > have a

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion,

> budhaditya

> > is

> > > > one

> > > > > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the

> > world's

> > > > > > > > population

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

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> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > removed]

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Inderjitji,

 

I tried to do some good by sharing what I have, and landed in

trouble. No more Sir. Its better to do my own things then

try to learn or contribute here. And theres nothing to show

to anyone really, here or anywhere. The one showing is

temporary and the one shown is temporary.

 

Regarding Rampriyajis chart we have firstly no consensus bewteen us

on the ascendants, next our style of House divisions is different.

Thirdly for the subject Rampriya I am a object of ridicule.

So nothing good is going to come out of it. There will be

arguments and more arguments.I dont want to spoil my vocabulary

neither want to be forced into any reply when any member uses

taunting language,cause then I too soil myself, which i do

not wish to.

If after a certain age we continue to behave like teenagers and start

fighting at the slightest provocation, how will a person develop and

when ? So its better i keep away from this sort of discussions

and I accept all the astrologers here as my Teachers. And truly

so, I have mentioned in one of my mails, that we can learn from all,

and theres no end to learning, we are eternal learners. And

the only teacher is God.

 

I have given replies to natives on JR and other Forums.

But now i just feel sad at the turn of events here.

 

Yours sincerely,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "Inder Jit Sahni"

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

> You have two issues before you to one was posted by SPK about some

chart , other is RamPriya chart why dont you differentiate; how you

will rate change of Moon from 3rd cusp sublord to Mars.How will the

cusp lords change from differ through yogas.

> Does he communicate in pinching style or humor?

> I will surely help in it.

> Try to show astrology than the comments.

> With Best Wishes,

> Inder Jit sahni

> -

> Bhaskar

>

> Tuesday, November 28, 2006 2:44 PM

> Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

>

>

> Dear Inderjitji,

>

> All the while I was discusing with the Non-believers of the

> advantages of Bhava-Chalit, and you were present as a KP

> Practitioner since last 24 years, then certainly you should be

> knowing more than anyone else over here about the Bhava Chalit.

> That would be the tribute you could pay to Kp system which must

> have given you some name and fame in your circles I presume.

>

> Will wait for your valued inputs regarding Bhava Chalit.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "Inder Jit Sahni"

> <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> > You are writing to a person , who had practiced 24 years in KP

> alone. KP is only one taste from the ocean of astrology and there

are

> still left behind many , you will learn with time.

> > Inder Jit sahni

> > -

> > Bhaskar

> >

> > Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:28 AM

> > Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

> >

> >

> > Dear Inderjitji,

> >

> > KP is the cream churned from the Milk Parashar. All same

actually.

> > I liked the way you described the 3 Gunas. More planets in any

> > particular Guna in a chart also decides about the nature of the

> native

> > in majority.

> >

> > Best wishes

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , "Inder Jit Sahni"

> > <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote:

> > >

> > > This of course is KP concept which is not absorbed by Vedic ,

> the

> > correct use of 6th is , it is trine to 2nd house the another

> being

> > 10th; Lagna being Rajoguni 2nd house is Tamoguni , for any

thing

> to

> > fructify in real all the three Gunas shall work; 2nd is Earthen

> > Tamoguna Bhava , means collections possessions etc; 6th is

> Satoguna

> > earthen Bhava means your knowledge how to lead , work the

> knowledge

> > to collect , service and the 10th is earthen Rajoguna house

shows

> the

> > Vasna or determinations of an individual to work.

> > > With Best Wishes,

> > > Inder Jit Sahni

> > >

> > > -

> > > Bhaskar

> > >

> > > Monday, November 27, 2006 7:34 PM

> > > Re: Budh - Adhithya Yoga

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Jagdishji,

> > >

> > > Oh yes they should certainly fructify.

> > > We have Vipareeta Raj Yoga and neech Bhanga RajaYoga

> > > too, to make this claim strong.

> > > Apart from that 6th by itself figuring is also a very good

> > > Bhava for Dhana, because its 12th to the partners,

> > > which means money will come to us through business dealings,

> > > partnerships, selling goods to consumers, from servcies given

to

> > > people etc. 6th, 8th and 12th apart fom being dreadful houses

fo

> > > the commonly known reasons, viz.disease,death and

> > hospitalisation,

> > > as per law of duality in Nature have their good effects too

to

> > give to

> > > the native. 8th for example gives inheritance, gratuity,

dowry

> and

> > > Accident Insurance too among others. Of course for this

> > > house , positives will be gained only after some tragedy or

> > > unhappiness

> > > as per the dictums of this house. The 12th Bhava is very

> important

> > > for investments. We see the 12th for all types of investments

> > > especially for setting up factories, or industry the 12th is

a

> > very

> > > important Bhava. 5 and 8 is a good Dhana Yoga, 6 and 8 is

> > > a good Dhana Yoga, 2,6 and 12 is again a Good Yoga for

> > > wealth coming in after investing etc. You can form your own

> > > combinations. And of course you must be knowing the already

> > mentioned

> > > Yogas in the classics, when the Lords of Dusthanas sit in

> another

> > > Dusthana

> > > its a Raj Yoga. But again when the Planet in power, which

makes

> > the

> > > Yoga,

> > > comes as dasha Lord in the life of the native, only then

would

> he

> > get

> > > the

> > > fruits of these Dhana Yogas.

> > >

> > > Have You joined my Forum as yet ?

> > > /

> > >

> > > At times I feel I should stop writing in any Forum due to my

> > blunt

> > > nature

> > >

> > > and free style of writing from the heart I tend to be

> > misunderstood.

> > > In this Forum Chandrasekharji whom I do not know and neither

> have

> > > any sort of grudge has unnecessary come in my line of fire,

> > without

> > > any fault of his neither mines. Actually when I talk strongly

> on

> > > Astrology

> > > pointersI tend to get carried away and cannot accept anything

> > which

> > > should be

> > > supposed to be understood without being having to said or

> > explained.

> > > But at the time of writing we forget to stand in the other

> > persons

> > > shoes ,

> > > for a moment which is my fault. I hope not to hurt anyone for

> > > some time now.

> > >

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar Ji

> > > >

> > > > When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th)

> then

> > do

> > > they fructify ?

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > >

> > > > Jagdish

> > > >

> > >

> > > , Prathamesn Chawan

> > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji

> > > >

> > > > When Dhan-Yoga are formed in the trik-bhava (6,8 or 12th)

> then

> > do

> > > they fructify ?

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > >

> > > > Jagdish

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote: Dear Jagdishji,

> > > >

> > > > Hello.

> > > > After a long time. Nice to see You active.

> > > > I never knew You were on this Forum.

> > > > Well You may call me millionare,or a billionare

> > > > too by inheritance, but nothing in hands.

> > > > Otherwise living a middle class comfortable life.

> > > > But if You remember me well then You know I am

> > > > a king with a Kingdom and without one too.

> > > > Does not matter.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Prathamesn Chawan

> > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rampriya Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > When 2nd lord is in 8th then person does not talk much.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, you must be a millionare ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > jagdish

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote: Dear Rampriyaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > My 2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in the 11th in Gemini

along

> > > > > with the Ascendant Lord which is the Sun.

> > > > > Are you trying to figure any losses due to speech or why

> > > > > the speech is at times rude or whether the 2nd lord is not

> > > > > in a right position to be in. If that is the case then

> there

> > > > > are other reasons for the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , "D Ramapriya"

> > > <ramapriya.d@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is your 2nd lord in the 8th bhava in your chart, by any

> > > chance?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ramapriya

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate

> > > > > > > member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know

> > > > > > > that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of

> > > > > > > all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri

> > > > > > > Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will

> > > > > > > find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar,

but

> > > > > > > my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows

my

> > > > > > > respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not

mean

> > > > > > > that we show disrespect. But a point.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And you should have watched the intent and not the

> content

> > > > > > > when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am

> sure

> > > > > > > it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked

to

> > > > > > > give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for

the

> > > > > > > benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to

> > read

> > > the

> > > > > > > same in books available in the market or on websites,

> > > instead

> > > > > > > of You spending time on this Basic stuff.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No human in the world knows all-total about astrology.

> > > > > > > I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be

able

> to

> > > > crush

> > > > > me in

> > > > > > > many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it

> > > imply ?

> > > > > > > Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite

> > > > universal

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > you know part of something and I know part of

> something,

> > > but

> > > > none

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a

hulla-

> > > gulla

> > > > > > > about it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I request the members to watch the exchanges only as

> > healthy

> > > > > > > astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to

> > > > > > > astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the

exchange

> > > becomes

> > > > > > > personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you

> as

> > > > > responsible

> > > > > > > members have to get the peace done, instead of

igniting

> > > fires

> > > > and

> > > > > > > hurling brick bats only at one party without

> contributing

> > or

> > > > > > > understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy

to

> > > > > > > sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand

and

> > > > crtiticse

> > > > > > > the players on the field playing cricket for India,

but

> > > > actually

> > > > > > > when one plays then he knows wjats going on.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and

> if

> > > you

> > > > also

> > > > > > > notice that is why all my mails have been detailed

> trying

> > > to

> > > > > explain

> > > > > > > certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does

> not

> > > take

> > > > more

> > > > > > > than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a

person

> > try

> > > to

> > > > > write

> > > > > > > long mails for doing just that? Some people do not

know

> > how

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > diplomatic or polished in todays world of

pretensions.

> > When

> > > > they

> > > > > talk

> > > > > > > they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the

> > heart.

> > > > > > > Please include me in this category of unpolished,

> > primitive

> > > and

> > > > > > > undiplomatic lot.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > mahaluxmi iyer

> > > > > > > <astromahaluxmi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > it pained me a lot too.

> > > > > > > > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only

in

> > age

> > > but

> > > > > > > knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to

these

> > > > > discussions.

> > > > > > > having read much of the shastras in original

samskrit,

> > has

> > > also

> > > > > > > willingly shared many gems of explanataions with

> members

> > on

> > > > this

> > > > > > > group. is humble and answers all queries without

> allowing

> > > any

> > > > > > > negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast

> > > > knowledge. i

> > > > > > > think it is very difficult to provoke this great man

as

> > is

> > > > evident

> > > > > > > from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is

> rare

> > > > indeed

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > find men of substance who keep their cool despite the

> > vast

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not

> clannish

> > > and

> > > > > deals

> > > > > > > with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers

of

> > > groups,

> > > > > > > schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key

> and

> > > not

> > > > the

> > > > > > > student or querist's background.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > he certainly deserves respect from us all.

> > > > > > > > mahalakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not

> able

> > to

> > > > teach

> > > > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school,

when

> I

> > > am

> > > > > already

> > > > > > > > into teaching College students."

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who

has

> > > > contributed

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > to this group and to many in this group

individually.

> > > While

> > > > I

> > > > > am not

> > > > > > > > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone

> else,

> > I

> > > > would

> > > > > > > request

> > > > > > > > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or

anyone

> > else.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We do not meet most members of this forum in

person,

> > that

> > > > should

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > us doubly kind towards various contributors.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My 2cents.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Shankar

> > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrasekharji said-

> > > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a

generation

> > who

> > > > did

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are

> > evading

> > > the

> > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit.

> > Please

> > > > allow

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me

on

> > > that

> > > > part

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > question.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did

> not

> > > have

> > > > the

> > > > > > > luxury

> > > > > > > > > of calculators, because every astrologer should

> know

> > > how

> > > > to

> > > > > cast a

> > > > > > > > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal

> House

> > > > > division,

> > > > > > > > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to

> calculate

> > > the

> > > > > Degrees

> > > > > > > > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses.

> Should

> > > know

> > > > how

> > > > > > > > > much and where the difference will come even if

> RAMC

> > > > > calculation

> > > > > > > > > of one difference is there.He should also know

the

> > > meaning

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be

> aware

> > > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > developments and improvisations done by the

> stalwarts

> > > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if

> india.

> > > If a

> > > > > > > > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for

a

> > > > > mathematical

> > > > > > > > > Query.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not

> able

> > > to

> > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school,

> when

> > I

> > > am

> > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > into teaching College students. Its a precious

> > wasteage

> > > of

> > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from

> that

> > i

> > > > really

> > > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and

> > > especially

> > > > > > > > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this

> > question

> > > at

> > > > all.

> > > > > > > > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and

> meeting

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You

may

> > pick

> > > up

> > > > > > > > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will

> find

> > the

> > > > > > > > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples.

Thats

> > > > wherefrom

> > > > > > > > > I learnt 20 years back.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I

> asked

> > > > about

> > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > being in

> > > > > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know

your

> > > > definition

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at

> > 1degree

> > > > Aries

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even

> simpler

> > > what

> > > > lord

> > > > > > > ship

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it

> > even

> > > > > simpler,

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

> > > degrees

> > > > of

> > > > > each

> > > > > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > > > > each rasi?//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish

you

> > had

> > > put

> > > > a

> > > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > > example to make your question logical to

> > understand.But

> > > if

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> > > > > > > > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the

> Bhava/Cusp,,

> > > the

> > > > > Lord of

> > > > > > > > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava.

If

> > two

> > > > Bhavas

> > > > > > > fall in

> > > > > > > > > the same sign then the lord would remain common

for

> > > both

> > > > the

> > > > > > > signs.

> > > > > > > > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees

> of

> > > each

> > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to

person,

> > and

> > > > > whether You

> > > > > > > > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house

> system

> > > or

> > > > > whatever.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without

> the

> > > > benefit

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should

> ask

> > > > yourself

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without

bhava

> > > chalit

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local

> > > pandit

> > > > in a

> > > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit

> in

> > a

> > > > Chart.

> > > > > Why

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > the software companies since last 30 years

> existence

> > in

> > > > India,

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the

> > printed

> > > > chart ?

> > > > > > > They

> > > > > > > > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like

you

> > see

> > > a

> > > > hand

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > talk about general

> > > > > > > > > character of a person, in the same way only

> > > > generalisations

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions

> > which

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help

> of

> > > the

> > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > Chart, no doubt about it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious

> time.I

> > > > request

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > those indulging in this to please do their

homework

> > and

> > > > have

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > basics right before putting up questions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -- In <%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a

generation

> > who

> > > > did

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are

> > evading

> > > the

> > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit.

> > Please

> > > > allow

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > fulfill

> > > > > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me

on

> > > that

> > > > part

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I

asked

> > > about

> > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know

your

> > > > definition

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > rasis in

> > > > > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at

> > 1degree

> > > > Aries

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even

> simpler

> > > what

> > > > lord

> > > > > > > ship

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it

> > even

> > > > > simpler,

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending

> > > degrees

> > > > of

> > > > > each

> > > > > > > > > bhava in

> > > > > > > > > > each rasi?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without

the

> > > > benefit of

> > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should

> ask

> > > > yourself

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without

bhava

> > > chalit

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone

> > should

> > > > know,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that

> most

> > > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict

> when

> > > they

> > > > do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit

> > > chart.Even

> > > > 30

> > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the

> > recent

> > > > lot do

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > know,

> > > > > > > > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the

> aptitude

> > > to

> > > > go

> > > > > to a

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > class/school to study the same, through a

> > qualified

> > > > > teacher.

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just

discovered

> > > > recently

> > > > > few

> > > > > > > weeks

> > > > > > > > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient

> sages

> > > knew

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > it of

> > > > > > > > > > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart

manually

> > > > without

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > use of

> > > > > > > > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question

> of

> > > > lordships

> > > > > > > > > assigned

> > > > > > > > > > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a

> Rashi

> > > > means ? -

> > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or

> > Shripati

> > > or

> > > > > > > Placidus,

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you

> > chose

> > > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > matter,

> > > > > > > > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear

> > Chandresekharji

> > > I

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as

> early

> > as

> > > > > > > possible, as

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > see some potential in you which should not be

> > > wasted.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> <%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best

in

> > Vedic

> > > > > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > > > > > having

> > > > > > > > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can

see

> > > your

> > > > > point of

> > > > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters

> > > chosen,

> > > > you

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > stick to

> > > > > > > > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are

> > > allotted

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna is

> > > > > > > > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your

> > thoughts

> > > > would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > highly

> > > > > > > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come

> from

> > a

> > > > person

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good

> > > astrologer

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > place

> > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well

known

> > > among,

> > > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But

refrence

> > you

> > > may

> > > > not

> > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > anywhere,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of

Bhartiya

> > Vidya

> > > > > > > > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best

> in

> > > the

> > > > > World,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass

> out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at

least

> > to

> > > > listen

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > review,

> > > > > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through

some

> > > approach

> > > > > > > > > suggested. So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying

> > Bhava

> > > > Chalit

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to

> > > > understanbd

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common

> > > approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because

> of

> > a

> > > > > categorical

> > > > > > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being

> well

> > > > known. I

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > not yet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of

> this

> > > age

> > > > to to

> > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > out if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results

> > > promised,

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > graha are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am

> > > nobody to

> > > > > > > comment.

> > > > > > > > > I was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been

> misunderstood

> > > by

> > > > Your

> > > > > > > > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites

was

> a

> > > > general

> > > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a

> Sanskrit

> > > > term,

> > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such

crude

> > > > language.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > neither

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a

> term

> > > used

> > > > to

> > > > > > > make the

> > > > > > > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning

> and

> > > > depth of

> > > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings

or

> > Army

> > > > > generals,

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth

charts,

> in

> > > the

> > > > > absence

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we

can

> > see

> > > > > hundreds

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and

> > friends

> > > and

> > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas,

> but

> > > > > actually not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations

> and

> > in

> > > > > > > Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving

> > > desired

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of

> the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound

> explanation

> > > for

> > > > why a

> > > > > > > > > incident

> > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or

> why

> > it

> > > > has

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > happened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers

searching

> > for

> > > > > reasons

> > > > > > > > > logically,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava

> > Chalit

> > > is

> > > > the

> > > > > key

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek

> PanchaMahapurusha

> > > > Yogas in

> > > > > > > todays

> > > > > > > > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good

> > placements

> > > to

> > > > see

> > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a

> certain

> > > > > department

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would

> > become

> > > a

> > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > not,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily

> > happy

> > > by

> > > > > > > calling him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can

be

> > > found in

> > > > > > > plenty in

> > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is

> the

> > > art

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > astrology, to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would

> > this

> > > Yoga

> > > > > > > fructify.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in

classics

> to

> > > know

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good

> > > astrologer

> > > > in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > > > > town too

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if

you

> > > happen

> > > > to

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > and ask

> > > > > > > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to

> > predict

> > > > > > > perfectly

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he

has

> > the

> > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > power.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are

> > reading

> > > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the

> > right

> > > > way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary

> > person

> > > to

> > > > > person,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of

> > > approaching

> > > > > > > matters. We

> > > > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas

> you

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > did in

> > > > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised

if

> > > they

> > > > did

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > isolation

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka

charts

> > is

> > > > > something

> > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in

> > Sanskrit,

> > > I

> > > > > assume

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not

> > comment

> > > on

> > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I

> have

> > > read

> > > > more

> > > > > > > than 2

> > > > > > > > > or 3

> > > > > > > > > > > > > books

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from

web

> > as

> > > even

> > > > > > > > > calculators

> > > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology.

> > Could

> > > you

> > > > > quote

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on

> Bhava

> > > > Chalit,

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > call

> > > > > > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or

> practiced

> > by

> > > > > rishis.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you

> > must

> > > > have

> > > > > seen

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts

> > > fructify

> > > > and

> > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas

> does

> > > HAS

> > > > to do

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also

> > known

> > > as

> > > > the

> > > > > > > Khokha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso

> > > mangoes

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > outside,

> > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe

> > mangoes.

> > > > > Otherwise

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not

fructifying

> in

> > > > > millions of

> > > > > > > > > peoples

> > > > > > > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has

actually

> > to

> > > be

> > > > made

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the

astrologers

> do

> > > not

> > > > > know,

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading

2-

> 3

> > > > books or

> > > > > > > > > visiting

> > > > > > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of

> > Bhava

> > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > (Cuspal

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at

all ?

> > For

> > > the

> > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making

predictions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean

> > > > combinations if

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are

> > > positioned

> > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > secondary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the

> real

> > > > sense of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > term,

> > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I

> do

> > not

> > > > > > > understand .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not

> > have

> > > so

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > > planets to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are

hundreds

> of

> > > > > Chandradi

> > > > > > > Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring

to

> in

> > > this

> > > > > case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it

> > strictly

> > > > means

> > > > > > > > > > > combinations in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the

Bhava

> > > Chalit

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person

> walking

> > > on

> > > > the

> > > > > road

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a

> > Panchamahapurusha

> > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what

a

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I

> > > mentioned

> > > > in

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > > that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked

> > > whether

> > > > it

> > > > > > > mantains

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in

> the

> > > Bhava

> > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > then it

> > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am

> claiming

> > > this

> > > > > > > strongly

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in

the

> > > > discussion

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with

bhava

> > > > chalit,

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason

> has

> > > to

> > > > do

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and

> > positive

> > > > yogas

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before

> arriving

> > at

> > > the

> > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One

must

> > > also

> > > > try

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas

will

> > give

> > > > > positive

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any

yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is

> occupying

> > > > Scorpio

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Venus in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini

> > with

> > > Sun

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > in,

> > > > > > > > > say,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think

the

> > > results

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Chandraadhi

> > > > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my

personal

> > > > > experience,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas

> Yogas

> > > which

> > > > > > > appear to

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the

> results

> > > > shown,

> > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > when we

> > > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal

> > Chart),

> > > one

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in

> > Kendra

> > > and

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > go in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid

> > Yogas

> > > > weak

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from

> > > Chandrasekharji

> > > > and

> > > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > 40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was

> > > written

> > > > in

> > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The

thread

> > was

> > > > there

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually

> sevenths?

> > I

> > > do

> > > > not

> > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > so.

> > > > > > > > > > > Please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can

> never

> > be

> > > in

> > > > > Mutual

> > > > > > > > > > > sevenths as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them

can

> > be

> > > > only 28

> > > > > > > > > degrees if

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right.

It

> is

> > > > pretty

> > > > > > > common

> > > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the

> > > distance

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20

> > > degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06,

> ashwin_062k

> > > > > > > <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%

> > > > > 40>>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that

> > when

> > > > surya

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > budh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > together in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths,

> > > forms "budha-

> > > > > > > adhithya"

> > > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that

> > > combustion

> > > > > > > occurs

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the

> > surya

> > > > from

> > > > > > > behind at

> > > > > > > > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets

> combust

> > > > > > > in "retograde"

> > > > > > > > > > > motion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust

rather

> > > eclipse

> > > > the

> > > > > > > surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have

a

> > > chart

> > > > in

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > distance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8

> mts.

> > I

> > > > > presume

> > > > > > > here,

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive

or

> > > unable

> > > > to

> > > > > > > perform.

> > > > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or

am

> i

> > > > missing

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is

direct,

> > the

> > > > > > > budhaditya

> > > > > > > > > yoga in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of

> combustion.

> > > And

> > > > do

> > > > > let

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal

> opinion,

> > > > > budhaditya

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more

> than

> > > half

> > > > the

> > > > > > > world's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > population

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

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of

> > > this

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> > > > > > > have

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> this

> > > > incoming

> > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG Free

> > > Edition.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 /

> > Virus

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this

> > > incoming

> > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG Free

> Edition.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 /

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this

incoming

> > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus

> Database:

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> > > have

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming

> > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming

message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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