Budh - Adhithya Yoga

November 24, 2006

Dear Bhaskar,

Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact fructify in

Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in majority

of cases.

Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new that I have heard

and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it is the creation of

the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that.

I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 or 3 books and

have not learnt my astrology from web as even calculators were not

developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any classic of

astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you call it?

Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis.

You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all Panchmahapurusha

yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make people Kings or army

generals etc.

Chandrashekhar.

Bhaskar wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrasekharji,

>

> Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava Chalit and

> NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha Kundli,or a

> empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside, but inside

> may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do we explain

> so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples charts and

> lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the Bhava Chalit

> only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they have become

> self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting few websites.

> Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in English).

> Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason that this

> is the chart for making predictions.

> When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote the classics,

> the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary and do not

> form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term, but just to

> gauge the strength, thats all.

> What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand .

> Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to make a

> Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas,

> and which one are you referring to in this case ?

> When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means combinations in the

> natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart,

> whcih have to be seen and studied.

> Otherwise every second person walking on the road would have a

> Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do with regards

> to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail that a

> particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in the Bhava

> Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it will

> fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with experience.

> Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a part of

> Arsha

> > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact that in a

> chart

> > there are both negative and positive yogas and an astrologer should

> try

> > to balance the two before arriving at the possible results of the

> yogas

> > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out whether the

> bhava

> > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or negative results

> to

> > understand operation of any yoga.

> >

> > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries,

> Mercury

> > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and

> Lagna

> > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will

> > fructify in all its glory?

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > At the same time in my personal experience, the Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be so beautiful

> in

> > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we see the

> Spashta

> > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go to another

> > > Bhava ,for

> > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in succeedent,

> > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the apparent

> > > results.

> > >

> > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others welcome.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > >

> > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and not

> addressed to

> > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail went in there,

> > > > nothing else.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please check

> my

> > > > mail.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as the

> maximum

> > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I remember

> > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. However for

> it

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more than 15

> degrees

> > > and

> > > > > > better

> > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a

> bhava

> > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in

> a

> > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain

> degrees,

> > > > except

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu,

> ketu

> > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between

> > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is

> getting

> > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case,

> still

> > > > this

> > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle

> here.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in your case

> > > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a chart where

> Sun

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one awfully

> overrated

> > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's population would

> > > have

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ramapriya

> > > > > > > >

November 25, 2006

I agree fully.

P.Kumar

On 11/23/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

>

> Dear Satish ji

>

> The Crux is -

>

> 1)If ''Varga chakras'', are ''totally independent & seperate charts

> (ie Rashi Chakra is Just one among 16 charts) '' -One should be able

> to apply EACH and EVERY rule applicable to Rashi chakra,over

> there,as well.Most important concept called Graha Drishti should

> then be explained in Vargas.

>

> 2)'Chandra in the navamsha of Mars and aspected by Mars'' -

> explaining Moon's Navamsha Sambandha as well as aspectual connection

> with Mars - etc, are valid examples available from classics.Also a

> Rashi Bhavanatha or Karaka attaining exalted/good -

> navamsha/dashamsha etc are also understandable.

>

> 3)Through post-mortem (mother-in-law of our boss and HER aarudha

> lagna) from our dashamsha is always possible.We need 10 incidents in

> a person's life, plus ANY divisional chart(YES - not necessarily the

> concerned person's chart)and any type(D-12 or D-20).

>

> 4)We can also say -''We are yet to EXPLOIT this wonderful chart,

> fully''.But this is not Astrology - Like KishoreKumar song - ''Dekho

> Oh Diwanom ...Tum Ye Kaam Na karo oh ..Ram(Astrology) Ka Naam...

> Badnaam Na karo oh ohh...'''

>

> Others better learned may disagree.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> <%40>, SPK

> <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > Is divisional charts is a myth, that has now been

> > institutinalized ? I would like Chandrashekharjis

> > views on this. If I recall, he has said that there is

> > a case to be made for using navansha as a separate

> > chart( Chandrashekharji, please correct me if I am

> > misquoting you), but not for the others.

> >

> > I am puzzled by people using these charts. Lets say

> > for argument sake that they are real charts. How can

> > one be so sure of the division chart lagna when many

> > natal birth times are aprroximated. To base your

> > conclusions on these is quite dangerous.

> >

> > Anyway by two cents

> >

> > Satish

> > --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d wrote:

> >

> > > On 11/22/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths

> > > as the maximum

> > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I

> > > remember

> > > > my lessons right.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > >

> > > I suspect the 'mutual sevenths' is the brainwave of

> > > someone (and I know of

> > > some astrologers who do!) who looks at yogas in

> > > divisional charts as well

> > >

> > > Ramapriya

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> >

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November 25, 2006

Dear Chandrasekharji,

Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your goodself.

Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment

and of course not attributed to You.

The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause Sanskrit

does not understandably use such crude language. This is neither

a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the modern

day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is

implied, in simple words.

The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I would

not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of

authentic birth time.

But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of charts

in our own circle of relatives and friends and family members,

where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not fructifying.

We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas,

Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in real

life . As experts in talking, most of the

astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a incident has

happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not happened.

But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons logically,

we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for

the answers as to the why.

But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays charts.

I just check them or other good placements to see whether the person

would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or not.

And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha or not, and

neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him

Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in many charts,

but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of astrology, to

decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify.

There is no need to search in classics to know about the importance

of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small town too

can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know and ask him.

It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly with the natal

chart or time the events, unless he has the required intuition power.

Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal chart,

does not mean in any way that its the right way.

Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and so

can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We shall

leave, to each his own.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

fructify in

> Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

majority

> of cases.

>

> Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new that I have

heard

> and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it is the

creation of

> the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that.

>

> I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 or 3 books

and

> have not learnt my astrology from web as even calculators were not

> developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any classic of

> astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you call it?

>

> Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis.

>

> You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all

Panchmahapurusha

> yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make people Kings or

army

> generals etc.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> >

> > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava Chalit

and

> > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha Kundli,or a

> > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside, but inside

> > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do we

explain

> > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples charts

and

> > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the Bhava

Chalit

> > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they have

become

> > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting few

websites.

> > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in English).

> > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason that this

> > is the chart for making predictions.

> > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote the

classics,

> > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary and do

not

> > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term, but just

to

> > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand .

> > Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to make a

> > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas,

> > and which one are you referring to in this case ?

> > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means combinations in the

> > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart,

> > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > Otherwise every second person walking on the road would have a

> > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do with

regards

> > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail that a

> > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in the Bhava

> > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it will

> > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with

experience.

> > Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a part of

> > Arsha

> > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact that in

a

> > chart

> > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an astrologer

should

> > try

> > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible results of

the

> > yogas

> > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out whether

the

> > bhava

> > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or negative

results

> > to

> > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > >

> > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries,

> > Mercury

> > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini

and

> > Lagna

> > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga

will

> > > fructify in all its glory?

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > >

> > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the

Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be so

beautiful

> > in

> > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we see the

> > Spashta

> > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go to

another

> > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in

succeedent,

> > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the

apparent

> > > > results.

> > > >

> > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others welcome.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and not

> > addressed to

> > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail went in

there,

> > > > > nothing else.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please

check

> > my

> > > > > mail.

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as the

> > maximum

> > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I

remember

> > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. However

for

> > it

> > > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more than 15

> > degrees

> > > > and

> > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in

a

> > bhava

> > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any

planet in

> > a

> > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain

> > degrees,

> > > > > except

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and

rahu,

> > ketu

> > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance

between

> > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is

> > getting

> > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this

case,

> > still

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle

> > here.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in your

case

> > > > would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a chart

where

> > Sun

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one awfully

> > overrated

> > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's population

would

> > > > have

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

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November 25, 2006

DearRampriyaji.

What makes you feel guilty by picking out only few lines out of

context and pasting the same and commenting ?

Also one should not hit other person unnecessarily, just to show his

servile and caressing attitude towards still another .

Its just not fair.

I have no issue with Chandrasekharji and in fact am happy that

we have such members for discussions on this Forum.

Theres absolutely no projection, none of us except God has the

perfectness to project. I am just talking from the heart,

without bothering for diplomacy or literal tactness.

Thats all.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d

wrote:

>

> On 11/24/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> >

> > Any prediction has actually to be made from the Bhava Chalit

only, which

> > 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they have become self-termed

> > astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting few websites.

> >

>

> Do stop projecting.

>

> Ramapriya

>

November 25, 2006

On 11/25/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

>

> DearRampriyaji.

>

> What makes you feel guilty

>

You must be quite fun at parties.

Ramapriya

November 25, 2006

Dear Rampriyaji,

Oh yes. My real name is Krishna.

and Got Vargottama Lagna -Leo 15 degrees.

in star of Sun again..

Rest should be prelimnary

stuff for you I assume.

But You are also Priya of Rama.

so naturally would be priya of Krishna too.

You just made me smile with your

style of writing.Which implies that you

can be amusing too.

Take care,

Best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d

wrote:

>

> On 11/25/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> >

> > DearRampriyaji.

> >

> > What makes you feel guilty

> >

>

> You must be quite fun at parties.

>

> Ramapriya

>

November 25, 2006

Dear Bhaskar,

If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical statement about

Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have not yet found

any reference to that premise so far.

One could look at charts of people of this age to to find out if Pancha

Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when the graha are

in bhava Madhya.

As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment. I was only

replying to your specific query to me.

Chandrashekhar.

Bhaskar wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrasekharji,

>

> Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your goodself.

> Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment

> and of course not attributed to You.

>

> The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause Sanskrit

> does not understandably use such crude language. This is neither

> a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the modern

> day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is

> implied, in simple words.

>

> The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I would

> not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of

> authentic birth time.

>

> But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of charts

> in our own circle of relatives and friends and family members,

> where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not fructifying.

> We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas,

> Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in real

> life . As experts in talking, most of the

> astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a incident has

> happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not happened.

> But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons logically,

> we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for

> the answers as to the why.

>

> But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays charts.

> I just check them or other good placements to see whether the person

> would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or not.

> And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha or not, and

> neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him

> Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in many charts,

> but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of astrology, to

> decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify.

>

> There is no need to search in classics to know about the importance

> of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small town too

> can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know and ask him.

> It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly with the natal

> chart or time the events, unless he has the required intuition power.

> Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal chart,

> does not mean in any way that its the right way.

>

> Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and so

> can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We shall

> leave, to each his own.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> fructify in

> > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

> majority

> > of cases.

> >

> > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new that I have

> heard

> > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it is the

> creation of

> > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that.

> >

> > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 or 3 books

> and

> > have not learnt my astrology from web as even calculators were not

> > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any classic of

> > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you call it?

> >

> > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis.

> >

> > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all

> Panchmahapurusha

> > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make people Kings or

> army

> > generals etc.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > >

> > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava Chalit

> and

> > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha Kundli,or a

> > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside, but inside

> > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do we

> explain

> > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples charts

> and

> > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the Bhava

> Chalit

> > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they have

> become

> > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting few

> websites.

> > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in English).

> > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason that this

> > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote the

> classics,

> > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary and do

> not

> > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term, but just

> to

> > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand .

> > > Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to make a

> > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas,

> > > and which one are you referring to in this case ?

> > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means combinations in the

> > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart,

> > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road would have a

> > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do with

> regards

> > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail that a

> > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in the Bhava

> > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it will

> > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with

> experience.

> > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a part of

> > > Arsha

> > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact that in

> a

> > > chart

> > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an astrologer

> should

> > > try

> > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible results of

> the

> > > yogas

> > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out whether

> the

> > > bhava

> > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or negative

> results

> > > to

> > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > >

> > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries,

> > > Mercury

> > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini

> and

> > > Lagna

> > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga

> will

> > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear all,

> > > > >

> > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the

> Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be so

> beautiful

> > > in

> > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we see the

> > > Spashta

> > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go to

> another

> > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in

> succeedent,

> > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the

> apparent

> > > > > results.

> > > > >

> > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others welcome.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and not

> > > addressed to

> > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail went in

> there,

> > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please

> check

> > > my

> > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as the

> > > maximum

> > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I

> remember

> > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. However

> for

> > > it

> > > > > to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more than 15

> > > degrees

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in

> a

> > > bhava

> > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any

> planet in

> > > a

> > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain

> > > degrees,

> > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and

> rahu,

> > > ketu

> > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance

> between

> > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is

> > > getting

> > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this

> case,

> > > still

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle

> > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in your

> case

> > > > > would

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a chart

> where

> > > Sun

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one awfully

> > > overrated

> > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's population

> would

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > Release

> > > > > > Date:

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> > > > > > > > >

November 25, 2006

Pradeepji,

Thanks.

Here is a simple question.

lets say a chart has mithun lagna. Guru being the lord

of 7th house. Lets alsosay moon is in Mithuna to

remove one more parameter.

Now in navansha guru is exalted ( in Karka). In one

case the navansha lagna is kumbha ( so Guru is in 6th

from navansha lagna). In another case it is meena

navansha lagna so guru will be in 5th from navnsha

lagna. The question is has guru gained strength in

navansha ? Yes. How will these two manifest

differently for the native. If one uses bhavas in

amshas then in one case it is in 6th bhava and in

another case it is in 5th bhava.

>From my standpoint, and I do not use bhavas in amshas,

I think in the case where meena is navansha lagna,

guru becomes a strong contender to give marriage. As

it is 7th lord of rashi and is navansha lagna

lord.Please elaborate your understanding.

Satish

--- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep >

wrote:

> Dear Satish ji

>

> Similar to Bhavat-Bhavam,one can make Lagna

> navamsha/Lagna

> dashamsha/Karaka Navamsha etc are reference points

> and count

> 5th /10th from them,in Rashi Chakra.The lords of

> such rashis,that

> seperate advocates will find in divisional charts

> will be the same

> as the above ,too.

> Problem is

> 1)They tend to bring in aspects

> 2)Extensions/Imaginations -will bring in Yogas etc

> resulting in

> violation of elementary principles.

> 3)Most importantly -they fail to see planetary

> placements in the

> said rashis and judge using amsha sambandhas

> alone!!!

> Eg Karakamsha analysis-

> 1)If 10th from Karakamsha lagna has planetary

> aspect(rashi) -One

> will miss it.

> 2)If a palnet is placed one will miss it

> 3)Judgement is based on planet having amsha

> there,alone

> 4)Bring aspects which are not there

>

> Rashi chakra is the composite which consists

> everything.Vargas show

> various relationships(each for specific purpose) a

> planet is having

> with various Rashis from its single position.

>

> Navamsha is Prana -But where this Prana is

> going/acting has to be

> studied.Sthoola is manifestation and sookshma is

> underlying.If these

> two are not analysed in totality - emerging picture

> is just a

> fantasy.

>

> In the complete system called Rashi chakra(One can

> study-

>

aspects,argala,conjunction,Yoga,combustion,war,friendship

> etc etc).

>

> Others better learned may disagree

>

> Pradeep

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> >

> > Where does Parashara mention Divisional charts ?

> He

> > mentions divisions ( amshas). Whether the amsha

> has be

> > read as it relates to the amsha lagna for a

> particular

> > amsha is an open question still in my mind.

> >

> > A planet exalted in navansha gains strength. But

> what

> > if this planet is in 5th house from lagna navansha

> in

> > one case and in 8th in another case. Would you say

> it

> > has not gained strength when it is in 8th from

> > navansha lagna and has gained strength wehn it is

> in

> > 5th from navansha lagna ? How to ascertain

> strength in

> > namsha ? Just amsha strength or also bhava

> strength ?

> > I am interested in what classics say. The modern

> > interpreters have already put their views on this

> > subject and that why I am asking is this thing so

> > institutionalized that it is beyond debate. I am

> not

> > sure it is beyond debate and I think what sages

> have

> > said has been extrapolated by many and that could

> be

> > erroneous.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> >

> > > Sir,

> > >

> > > Though the below mail was not addressed to me

> yet I

> > > wish to

> > > put some views.

> > > Divisonal charts cannot be a myth because it has

> > > been mentioned

> > > in a chapter by Parashar Maharaj.

> > > Next though birth times are approximated (since

> in

> > > our own bedroom

> > > You will find difference in times of your wrist

> > > watch,on your

> > > cell phone, on the wall clock,on the TV through

> set

> > > up Box,in

> > > your alarm clock, in your Computer and also

> probably

> > > on the wifes

> > > wrist watch if she wears one,then how can one

> expect

> > > the hospitals

> > > to mantain exact time,or the hospital staff to

> be so

> > > loyal that

> > > they will so dutifully note the time of birth

> > > leaving other duties

> > > as if the child born was their own), yet there

> are

> > > few ways

> > > to exact this approximated time to near perfect

> if

> > > not perfect. Once

> > > this is not done, going through the divisional

> > > charts is meaningless.

> > > But if a person is adept to read the divisional

> > > charts with

> > > full respect to the scriptures then they can be

> sure

> > > to grant

> > > support to the findings in the natal chart with

> > > reference to the

> > > spouse, Profession, spiritual persuits, wealth

> and

> > > children

> > > apart from the other factors. LR cahwdhri has

> > > written about this

> > > long back I think about 15 years back, and also

> Shri

> > > Chandubhai Patel

> > > has written a beautiful book on Navamsha which

> is a

> > > must to be read

> > > by all astrologers who want to learn how to use

> the

> > > Navamsha for

> > > predicting grave matters alongwith help of

> > > Ashtakvarga

> > > and transits.

> > >

> > > But to check Yogas from these charts is somehow

> not

> > > digestable

> > > through any remote means .

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , SPK

> > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > > Is divisional charts is a myth, that has now

> been

> > > > institutinalized ? I would like

> Chandrashekharjis

> > > > views on this. If I recall, he has said that

> there

> > > is

> > > > a case to be made for using navansha as a

> separate

> > > > chart( Chandrashekharji, please correct me if

> I am

> > > > misquoting you), but not for the others.

> > > >

> > > > I am puzzled by people using these charts.

> Lets

> > > say

> > > > for argument sake that they are real charts.

> How

> > > can

> > > > one be so sure of the division chart lagna

> when

> > > many

> > > > natal birth times are aprroximated. To base

> your

> > > > conclusions on these is quite dangerous.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway by two cents

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > > --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > On 11/22/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

>

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November 25, 2006

Dear Chandrasekharji,

Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of my

small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a place where I

may not be able to reach in this life.

Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, especially the

Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not find anywhere,

except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, and from

where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and review, may

not adopt it, but at least go through some approach suggested. So

Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and then using

Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many questions

which do not get answered by the common approach.

Best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical statement

about

> Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have not yet

found

> any reference to that premise so far.

>

> One could look at charts of people of this age to to find out if

Pancha

> Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when the

graha are

> in bhava Madhya.

>

> As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment. I was

only

> replying to your specific query to me.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> >

> > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your goodself.

> > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment

> > and of course not attributed to You.

> >

> > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause Sanskrit

> > does not understandably use such crude language. This is neither

> > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the modern

> > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is

> > implied, in simple words.

> >

> > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I would

> > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of

> > authentic birth time.

> >

> > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of charts

> > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family members,

> > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not

fructifying.

> > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas,

> > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in real

> > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a incident has

> > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not happened.

> > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons logically,

> > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for

> > the answers as to the why.

> >

> > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays charts.

> > I just check them or other good placements to see whether the

person

> > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or not.

> > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha or not,

and

> > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him

> > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in many

charts,

> > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of astrology, to

> > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify.

> >

> > There is no need to search in classics to know about the

importance

> > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small town too

> > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know and ask

him.

> > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly with the

natal

> > chart or time the events, unless he has the required intuition

power.

> > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal chart,

> > does not mean in any way that its the right way.

> >

> > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and so

> > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We shall

> > leave, to each his own.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> > fructify in

> > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

> > majority

> > > of cases.

> > >

> > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new that I

have

> > heard

> > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it is the

> > creation of

> > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that.

> > >

> > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 or 3

books

> > and

> > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even calculators were

not

> > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any classic

of

> > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you call it?

> > >

> > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis.

> > >

> > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all

> > Panchmahapurusha

> > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make people

Kings or

> > army

> > > generals etc.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > >

> > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava

Chalit

> > and

> > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha

Kundli,or a

> > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside, but

inside

> > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do we

> > explain

> > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples

charts

> > and

> > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the Bhava

> > Chalit

> > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they have

> > become

> > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting few

> > websites.

> > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in

English).

> > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason that

this

> > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote the

> > classics,

> > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary

and do

> > not

> > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term, but

just

> > to

> > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand .

> > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to

make a

> > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas,

> > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ?

> > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means combinations in

the

> > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart,

> > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road would have a

> > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do with

> > regards

> > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail that a

> > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in the

Bhava

> > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it will

> > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with

> > experience.

> > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a

part of

> > > > Arsha

> > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact

that in

> > a

> > > > chart

> > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an astrologer

> > should

> > > > try

> > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible results

of

> > the

> > > > yogas

> > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out

whether

> > the

> > > > bhava

> > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or negative

> > results

> > > > to

> > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in

Aries,

> > > > Mercury

> > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say,

Gemini

> > and

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga

> > will

> > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the

> > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be so

> > beautiful

> > > > in

> > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we see

the

> > > > Spashta

> > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go to

> > another

> > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in

> > succeedent,

> > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the

> > apparent

> > > > > > results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others welcome.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and not

> > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail went

in

> > there,

> > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please

> > check

> > > > my

> > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as

the

> > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I

> > remember

> > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga.

However

> > for

> > > > it

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more than

15

> > > > degrees

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh

together in

> > a

> > > > bhava

> > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any

> > planet in

> > > > a

> > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain

> > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion

and

> > rahu,

> > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance

> > between

> > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the

Budh is

> > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this

> > case,

> > > > still

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic

principle

> > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in

your

> > case

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a

chart

> > where

> > > > Sun

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one

awfully

> > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's

population

> > would

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > removed]

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November 25, 2006

Dear Bhaskar,

I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic astrology, having

created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of view. As

long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you should stick to

them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the lagna is

at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be highly

appreciated.

Chandrashekhar.

Bhaskar wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrasekharji,

>

> Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of my

> small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a place where I

> may not be able to reach in this life.

> Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, especially the

> Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not find anywhere,

> except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, and from

> where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and review, may

> not adopt it, but at least go through some approach suggested. So

> Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and then using

> Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many questions

> which do not get answered by the common approach.

>

> Best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical statement

> about

> > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have not yet

> found

> > any reference to that premise so far.

> >

> > One could look at charts of people of this age to to find out if

> Pancha

> > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when the

> graha are

> > in bhava Madhya.

> >

> > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment. I was

> only

> > replying to your specific query to me.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > >

> > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your goodself.

> > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment

> > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > >

> > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause Sanskrit

> > > does not understandably use such crude language. This is neither

> > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the modern

> > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is

> > > implied, in simple words.

> > >

> > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I would

> > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of

> > > authentic birth time.

> > >

> > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of charts

> > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family members,

> > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not

> fructifying.

> > > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas,

> > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in real

> > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a incident has

> > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not happened.

> > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons logically,

> > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for

> > > the answers as to the why.

> > >

> > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays charts.

> > > I just check them or other good placements to see whether the

> person

> > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or not.

> > > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha or not,

> and

> > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him

> > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in many

> charts,

> > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of astrology, to

> > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify.

> > >

> > > There is no need to search in classics to know about the

> importance

> > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small town too

> > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know and ask

> him.

> > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly with the

> natal

> > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required intuition

> power.

> > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal chart,

> > > does not mean in any way that its the right way.

> > >

> > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and so

> > > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We shall

> > > leave, to each his own.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> > > fructify in

> > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in

> > > majority

> > > > of cases.

> > > >

> > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new that I

> have

> > > heard

> > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it is the

> > > creation of

> > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that.

> > > >

> > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 or 3

> books

> > > and

> > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even calculators were

> not

> > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any classic

> of

> > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you call it?

> > > >

> > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis.

> > > >

> > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all

> > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make people

> Kings or

> > > army

> > > > generals etc.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava

> Chalit

> > > and

> > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha

> Kundli,or a

> > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside, but

> inside

> > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do we

> > > explain

> > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples

> charts

> > > and

> > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the Bhava

> > > Chalit

> > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they have

> > > become

> > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting few

> > > websites.

> > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in

> English).

> > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason that

> this

> > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote the

> > > classics,

> > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary

> and do

> > > not

> > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term, but

> just

> > > to

> > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand .

> > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to

> make a

> > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas,

> > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ?

> > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means combinations in

> the

> > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart,

> > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road would have a

> > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do with

> > > regards

> > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail that a

> > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in the

> Bhava

> > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it will

> > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with

> > > experience.

> > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a

> part of

> > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact

> that in

> > > a

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an astrologer

> > > should

> > > > > try

> > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible results

> of

> > > the

> > > > > yogas

> > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out

> whether

> > > the

> > > > > bhava

> > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or negative

> > > results

> > > > > to

> > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in

> Aries,

> > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say,

> Gemini

> > > and

> > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga

> > > will

> > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the

> > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be so

> > > beautiful

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we see

> the

> > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go to

> > > another

> > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in

> > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the

> > > apparent

> > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others welcome.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and not

> > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail went

> in

> > > there,

> > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please

> > > check

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as

> the

> > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I

> > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga.

> However

> > > for

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more than

> 15

> > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh

> together in

> > > a

> > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any

> > > planet in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain

> > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion

> and

> > > rahu,

> > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance

> > > between

> > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the

> Budh is

> > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this

> > > case,

> > > > > still

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic

> principle

> > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in

> your

> > > case

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a

> chart

> > > where

> > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one

> awfully

> > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's

> population

> > > would

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

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November 25, 2006

Dear Chandrasekhar,

This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but

unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the astrologers

working on these Forums how can they predict when they do not know

the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30 years

back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do not know,

neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a good

class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher.

Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few weeks

back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about it of

course, and thats why we know about it.

If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the use of

computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships assigned

to which Bhava can never come up.

When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ----

This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or Placidus, from

wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not matter,

only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would like you

specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as possible, as I

see some potential in you which should not be wasted.

Best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic astrology,

having

> created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of view.

As

> long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you should

stick to

> them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the

lagna is

> at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be highly

> appreciated.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> >

> > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of my

> > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a place where

I

> > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, especially the

> > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not find

anywhere,

> > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, and from

> > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and review,

may

> > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach suggested. So

> > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and then

using

> > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many

questions

> > which do not get answered by the common approach.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical

statement

> > about

> > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have not yet

> > found

> > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > >

> > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to find out if

> > Pancha

> > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when the

> > graha are

> > > in bhava Madhya.

> > >

> > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment. I was

> > only

> > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > >

> > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your goodself.

> > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment

> > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > >

> > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause Sanskrit

> > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This is

neither

> > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the

modern

> > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is

> > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > >

> > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I would

> > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of

> > > > authentic birth time.

> > > >

> > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of charts

> > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family members,

> > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not

> > fructifying.

> > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas,

> > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in real

> > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a incident

has

> > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not happened.

> > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons logically,

> > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for

> > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > >

> > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays

charts.

> > > > I just check them or other good placements to see whether the

> > person

> > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or not.

> > > > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha or

not,

> > and

> > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him

> > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in many

> > charts,

> > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of astrology, to

> > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify.

> > > >

> > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about the

> > importance

> > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small

town too

> > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know and ask

> > him.

> > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly with

the

> > natal

> > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required intuition

> > power.

> > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal

chart,

> > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way.

> > > >

> > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and so

> > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We

shall

> > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> > > > fructify in

> > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation

in

> > > > majority

> > > > > of cases.

> > > > >

> > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new that

I

> > have

> > > > heard

> > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it is the

> > > > creation of

> > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 or 3

> > books

> > > > and

> > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even calculators

were

> > not

> > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any

classic

> > of

> > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you call

it?

> > > > >

> > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis.

> > > > >

> > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all

> > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make people

> > Kings or

> > > > army

> > > > > generals etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava

> > Chalit

> > > > and

> > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha

> > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside,

but

> > inside

> > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do

we

> > > > explain

> > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples

> > charts

> > > > and

> > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the

Bhava

> > > > Chalit

> > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they

have

> > > > become

> > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting

few

> > > > websites.

> > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in

> > English).

> > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason

that

> > this

> > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote

the

> > > > classics,

> > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary

> > and do

> > > > not

> > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term,

but

> > just

> > > > to

> > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand .

> > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to

> > make a

> > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas,

> > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ?

> > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means

combinations in

> > the

> > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart,

> > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road would

have a

> > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do

with

> > > > regards

> > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail

that a

> > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in

the

> > Bhava

> > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it

will

> > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with

> > > > experience.

> > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a

> > part of

> > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact

> > that in

> > > > a

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an

astrologer

> > > > should

> > > > > > try

> > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible

results

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out

> > whether

> > > > the

> > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or

negative

> > > > results

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in

> > Aries,

> > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say,

> > Gemini

> > > > and

> > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi

yoga

> > > > will

> > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the

> > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be

so

> > > > beautiful

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we

see

> > the

> > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go

to

> > > > another

> > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in

> > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the

> > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others

welcome.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and

not

> > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail

went

> > in

> > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so.

Please

> > > > check

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual

sevenths as

> > the

> > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if

I

> > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga.

> > However

> > > > for

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more

than

> > 15

> > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh

> > together in

> > > > a

> > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when

any

> > > > planet in

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at

certain

> > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde"

motion

> > and

> > > > rahu,

> > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the

distance

> > > > between

> > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the

> > Budh is

> > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In

this

> > > > case,

> > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic

> > principle

> > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in

> > your

> > > > case

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a

> > chart

> > > > where

> > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one

> > awfully

> > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's

> > population

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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November 25, 2006

Dear All,

Let me rephrase that to say that while other planets lose their

ability of benefic results while associated with Su, the same cannot

be said of Me.

Humble Regards,

Hemant Desai

vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k"

<ashwin_062k wrote:

>

> Dear Hemant

>

> Could you please provide with the astrological/astronomical reason

> for budh not get combust with surya.

>

> Regards

> Sridhar

>

> vedic astrology, Agnyeya <agnyeya@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sridhar,

> >

> > For the Budh-Aditya yoga to fructify the distance between the

2

> must be atleast 10 degrees.

> > Also Budh is the only planet which due to its motion is always

> very near to Surya, hence normally there may be many charts where

> you see Budh in 12th or in 2nd from Su.

> > Also Budh is one planet which does not get combust with Su.

> >

> > Dear Gurus, please verify.

> >

> > || Om Krishna Guru ||

> > Humble Regards,

> > Hemant Desai

> >

> > ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> > Dear Gurujans

> >

> > Correction : The distance between surya and budh is 2deg 27 mts

> > and not 1 deg 8 mts as given below.

> >

> > Sorry for the inconvenience

> >

> > Regards

> > Sridhar

> > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k"

> > <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gurujans

> > >

> > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or

in

> > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga.

> > >

> > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct

> > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except

> for

> > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu

> doesn't

> > > get combust rather eclipse the surya.

> > >

> > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya

and

> > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting

> combust

> > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this

> > Yoga

> > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here.

> > >

> > > Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Sridhar

> > >

> >

> > Agnyeya@ Planet Earth

> >

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November 26, 2006

vedic astrology, "astro_kid_1" <agnyeya

wrote:

>Dear members

I am reproducing my earlier post in this regard for the benefit of

readers

May I know what made you to come to such conclusions regarding Budha-

aditya yoga as your answers do not stand to the rules mentioned in

Hindu Astronomy and Astrology. I feel that these are basics that

many students like you must know before coming to conclusion based

on own thoughts.

The rules for find any union of planets called yuti or yoga are:

1)When the longitude of the swift-moving planet is greater than that

of the slow one, the conjunction (samyoga) is past; otherwise, it is

to come; this is the case when the two are moving eastward i.e.,

clockwise; if, however, they are retrograding (vakrin), the contrary

is true

2)When the longitude of the one moving eastward is greater, the

conjunction (samagama)is past; but when that of the one that is

retrograding is greater, it is to come.

3)When the distance between the two planets is < or = 12 degrees

then the question of yoga arises otherwise not

Given these conditions, can you identify

1)faster and slower planets

2)Reassess your statement "budha-adhitya yoga occurs if budha is not

combust" in light of these rules

3)Can you tell the reason for specific degrees i.e., why 12 is only

alloted for occurence of any yoga

I have a very feeble hope that you can answer these questions and

also suggest you to verify your budha-aditya yoga if present.

I feel strongly that you should first check your basics of Hindu

Astronomy and later Astrology and it is not as easy as "read and

throw" attitude

Hope you got the point

Jairadhe

> Dear All,

>

> Let me rephrase that to say that while other planets lose their

> ability of benefic results while associated with Su, the same

cannot

> be said of Me.

>

> Humble Regards,

> Hemant Desai

>

> vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k"

> <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Hemant

> >

> > Could you please provide with the astrological/astronomical

reason

> > for budh not get combust with surya.

> >

> > Regards

> > Sridhar

> >

> > vedic astrology, Agnyeya <agnyeya@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sridhar,

> > >

> > > For the Budh-Aditya yoga to fructify the distance between

the

> 2

> > must be atleast 10 degrees.

> > > Also Budh is the only planet which due to its motion is

always

> > very near to Surya, hence normally there may be many charts

where

> > you see Budh in 12th or in 2nd from Su.

> > > Also Budh is one planet which does not get combust with Su.

> > >

> > > Dear Gurus, please verify.

> > >

> > > || Om Krishna Guru ||

> > > Humble Regards,

> > > Hemant Desai

> > >

> > > ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> > > Dear Gurujans

> > >

> > > Correction : The distance between surya and budh is 2deg 27

mts

> > > and not 1 deg 8 mts as given below.

> > >

> > > Sorry for the inconvenience

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Sridhar

> > > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k"

> > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > >

> > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or

> in

> > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga.

> > > >

> > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a

direct

> > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees,

except

> > for

> > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu

> > doesn't

> > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya.

> > > >

> > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya

> and

> > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting

> > combust

> > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still

this

> > > Yoga

> > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here.

> > > >

> > > > Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Sridhar

> > > >

> > >

> > > Agnyeya@ Planet Earth

> > >

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November 26, 2006

II Om Gurave Namah II

Hari om , Friend,

Dear Bhaskar,

You have pointed beautifully.Chalit chakra is well known,and most astrology software have options.Because of advent and integration of Gemini principals now a days equal house system appers in use.But many astrologer still know and use and cross check bhav lordship and placements i n chalit.

By the way one good friend of mine was mentioning about calculations of Shad bala and grah yuddha bala. It was taught it takes a couple of days to workout Bala. This is simply amazing.On the basis of JPL ephemeries rockets are able to land on moon and planets but calculation by computers are not reliable?it can be so only if writing has error.

Just think of time when maharshis invented the system of calclations and gave results how they got so called Bala calculations as well as sphuta.

Because of house division and certain parameters involved SW give diffeent Shad bala results.Sometimes we believe in certain assumption and other parampara takes differently.

Some of the postings are related toprincipalsof of Krishna murti system , mixed . This all creates confusion in mind of student.We must always indicate what system of House divison is taken while analysing and working out matters of Real consequence.

Hope thoughts are is in order.

Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah

Sarve Santu Niramaya

Sarve Bhadrani Pasyantu

Ma Kashchid Dukh Bhaag Bhaveit

HARI OM TATSAT

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radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy

our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

November 26, 2006

Shri Swamiji,

Hari Om.

Thank You for the mail. I was wondering whats wrong with me

and where have I landed ,that I have to explain importance about

Chalit charts.

Sir though I believe in validity of all systems and approaches, I

personally use the Placidus House division system.

Many softwares have difference in their charts in degrees,

I also wish to say that some softwares have difference even

within their own older versions and newer versions.

It is always better to check ones own chart ,if he is a astrologer,

from the Rapheals Ephemeris and minus the ayanamsha.

Also he should prepare at least his own chart manually ,

if he knows how to do this. Because a difference in one second

in RAMC calculation brings a difference of few minutes on the cusps.

But then this is for the people who know the importance of Nakshatras

in Astrology, the old vedic way, and nothing new

or Modern. But yet due to modern softwares, a few degrees here and

there changes all the Star Lords and the Sublords creating

a harakiri of the results told and actually felt by the native.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, "swami" <swami_rcs wrote:

>

> II Om Gurave Namah II

> Hari om , Friend,

> Dear Bhaskar,

> You have pointed beautifully.Chalit chakra is well known,and most

astrology software have options.Because of advent and integration of

Gemini principals now a days equal house system appers in use.But

many astrologer still know and use and cross check bhav lordship and

placements i n chalit.

> By the way one good friend of mine was mentioning about

calculations of Shad bala and grah yuddha bala. It was taught it

takes a couple of days to workout Bala. This is simply amazing.On

the basis of JPL ephemeries rockets are able to land on moon and

planets but calculation by computers are not reliable?it can be so

only if writing has error.

> Just think of time when maharshis invented the system of

calclations and gave results how they got so called Bala calculations

as well as sphuta.

> Because of house division and certain parameters involved SW give

diffeent Shad bala results.Sometimes we believe in certain

assumption and other parampara takes differently.

> Some of the postings are related toprincipalsof of Krishna murti

system , mixed . This all creates confusion in mind of student.We

must always indicate what system of House divison is taken while

analysing and working out matters of Real consequence.

> Hope thoughts are is in order.

>

> Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah

> Sarve Santu Niramaya

> Sarve Bhadrani Pasyantu

> Ma Kashchid Dukh Bhaag Bhaveit

> HARI OM TATSAT

> ------------------------

> R.C.Srivastava

> For Consultation -Service

> E-mail : swami_rcs

>

> 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"

> Shaheed Nagar. Agra 282001

> INDIA

>

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> Mob +91-94122-68768

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> Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy

> radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy

> our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

>

November 26, 2006

Dear Bhaskar,

For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have the

luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question asked

about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to fulfill

the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the question.

I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna being in

early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of rasis in

different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when it

rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will

you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you

like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in

each rasi?

As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of Bhava

chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as according

to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart.

Chandrashekhar.

Bhaskar wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrasekhar,

>

> This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but

> unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the astrologers

> working on these Forums how can they predict when they do not know

> the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30 years

> back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do not know,

> neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a good

> class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher.

> Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few weeks

> back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about it of

> course, and thats why we know about it.

>

> If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the use of

> computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships assigned

> to which Bhava can never come up.

>

> When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ----

> This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or Placidus, from

> wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not matter,

> only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would like you

> specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as possible, as I

> see some potential in you which should not be wasted.

>

> Best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic astrology,

> having

> > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of view.

> As

> > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you should

> stick to

> > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the

> lagna is

> > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be highly

> > appreciated.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > >

> > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of my

> > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a place where

> I

> > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, especially the

> > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not find

> anywhere,

> > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, and from

> > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and review,

> may

> > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach suggested. So

> > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and then

> using

> > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many

> questions

> > > which do not get answered by the common approach.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical

> statement

> > > about

> > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have not yet

> > > found

> > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > >

> > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to find out if

> > > Pancha

> > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when the

> > > graha are

> > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > >

> > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment. I was

> > > only

> > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your goodself.

> > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment

> > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > >

> > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause Sanskrit

> > > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This is

> neither

> > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the

> modern

> > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is

> > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > >

> > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I would

> > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of

> > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > >

> > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of charts

> > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family members,

> > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not

> > > fructifying.

> > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas,

> > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in real

> > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a incident

> has

> > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not happened.

> > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons logically,

> > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for

> > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > >

> > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays

> charts.

> > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see whether the

> > > person

> > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or not.

> > > > > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha or

> not,

> > > and

> > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him

> > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in many

> > > charts,

> > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of astrology, to

> > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about the

> > > importance

> > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small

> town too

> > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know and ask

> > > him.

> > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly with

> the

> > > natal

> > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required intuition

> > > power.

> > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal

> chart,

> > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and so

> > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We

> shall

> > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact

> > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation

> in

> > > > > majority

> > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new that

> I

> > > have

> > > > > heard

> > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it is the

> > > > > creation of

> > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 or 3

> > > books

> > > > > and

> > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even calculators

> were

> > > not

> > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any

> classic

> > > of

> > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you call

> it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all

> > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make people

> > > Kings or

> > > > > army

> > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava

> > > Chalit

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha

> > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside,

> but

> > > inside

> > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do

> we

> > > > > explain

> > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples

> > > charts

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the

> Bhava

> > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they

> have

> > > > > become

> > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting

> few

> > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in

> > > English).

> > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason

> that

> > > this

> > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote

> the

> > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary

> > > and do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term,

> but

> > > just

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand .

> > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to

> > > make a

> > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas,

> > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ?

> > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means

> combinations in

> > > the

> > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart,

> > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road would

> have a

> > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do

> with

> > > > > regards

> > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail

> that a

> > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in

> the

> > > Bhava

> > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it

> will

> > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with

> > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a

> > > part of

> > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact

> > > that in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an

> astrologer

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible

> results

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out

> > > whether

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or

> negative

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in

> > > Aries,

> > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say,

> > > Gemini

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi

> yoga

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the

> > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be

> so

> > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we

> see

> > > the

> > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go

> to

> > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in

> > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the

> > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others

> welcome.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and

> not

> > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail

> went

> > > in

> > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so.

> Please

> > > > > check

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual

> sevenths as

> > > the

> > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if

> I

> > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga.

> > > However

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more

> than

> > > 15

> > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh

> > > together in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when

> any

> > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at

> certain

> > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde"

> motion

> > > and

> > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the

> distance

> > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the

> > > Budh is

> > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In

> this

> > > > > case,

> > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic

> > > principle

> > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in

> > > your

> > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a

> > > chart

> > > > > where

> > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one

> > > awfully

> > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's

> > > population

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

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November 27, 2006

Dear Amit ji,

For a very long time I had been looking for examples where combustion

alone was the make or break factor in a negative effect or non-

expression or mal-expression of a planet in a given chart. Not just

mercury, the messenger who connects us with the Source: SUN, but also

other planets who may or may not really like or care for the SUN

(Saturn or the nodes, for instance).

I have a feeling that you may have such examples that I have been

looking for, for so long. I am getting older and weaker each day.

Please share as soon as you can ...

Thank you, sir.

Rohiniranjan

vedic astrology, "Amit Agrawal"

<amit.astrologer wrote:

>

> Dear Hemant,

> This is completely wrong view view that "Also Budh is

one planet

> which does not get combust with Su."

> Thanks,

> Amit

>

> On 11/18/06, Agnyeya <agnyeya wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sridhar,

> >

> > For the Budh-Aditya yoga to fructify the distance between the 2

must be

> > atleast 10 degrees.

> > Also Budh is the only planet which due to its motion is always

very near

> > to Surya, hence normally there may be many charts where you see

Budh in 12th

> > or in 2nd from Su.

> > Also Budh is one planet which does not get combust with Su.

> >

> > Dear Gurus, please verify.

> >

> > || Om Krishna Guru ||

> > Humble Regards,

> > Hemant Desai

> >

> > ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote:

> > Dear Gurujans

> >

> > Correction : The distance between surya and budh is 2deg 27 mts

> > and not 1 deg 8 mts as given below.

> >

> > Sorry for the inconvenience

> >

> > Regards

> > Sridhar

> > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%

40>,

> > "ashwin_062k"

> > <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gurujans

> > >

> > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in

> > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga.

> > >

> > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct

> > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except

for

> > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu

doesn't

> > > get combust rather eclipse the surya.

> > >

> > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and

> > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting

combust

> > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this

> > Yoga

> > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here.

> > >

> > > Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Sridhar

> > >

> >

> > Agnyeya@ Planet Earth

> >

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November 27, 2006

Dear Chandrasekharji,

Chandrasekharji said-

//

> For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have

the

> luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question

asked

> about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to

fulfill

> the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the

question.//

Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the luxury

of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to cast a

chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House division,

Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the Degrees

for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how

much and where the difference will come even if RAMC calculation

of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of

Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the

developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the

field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a

astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a mathematical

Query.

Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach

syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already

into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of time,

having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really feel

sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially

from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all.

This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the

elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up

any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the

discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom

I learnt 20 years back.

//> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna

being in

> early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of

rasis in

> different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when

it

> rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship

will

> you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if

you

> like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each

bhava in

> each rasi?//

I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a small

example to make your question logical to understand.But if you

mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the Lord of

the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas fall in

the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the signs.

How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each Bhava in

Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and whether You

take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or whatever.

//> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of

Bhava

> chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as

according

> to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart.

> //

Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a small

town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart. Why are

the software companies since last 30 years existence in India, have

The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ? They

are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand and

talk about general

character of a person, in the same way only generalisations can be

made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will

actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the Chalit

Chart, no doubt about it.

Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request all

those indulging in this to please do their homework and have their

basics right before putting up questions.

regards,

Bhaskar.

-- In , Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have

the

> luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question

asked

> about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to

fulfill

> the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the

question.

>

> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna being

in

> early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of

rasis in

> different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when

it

> rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship

will

> you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if

you

> like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each

bhava in

> each rasi?

>

> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of Bhava

> chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as

according

> to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> >

> > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but

> > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the

astrologers

> > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do not know

> > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30 years

> > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do not

know,

> > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a good

> > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher.

> > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few weeks

> > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about it of

> > course, and thats why we know about it.

> >

> > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the use of

> > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships

assigned

> > to which Bhava can never come up.

> >

> > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ----

> > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or Placidus,

from

> > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not

matter,

> > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would like

you

> > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as possible, as

I

> > see some potential in you which should not be wasted.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic astrology,

> > having

> > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of

view.

> > As

> > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you should

> > stick to

> > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the

> > lagna is

> > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be highly

> > > appreciated.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > >

> > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of my

> > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a place

where

> > I

> > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, especially

the

> > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not find

> > anywhere,

> > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya

Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, and

from

> > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and

review,

> > may

> > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach

suggested. So

> > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and then

> > using

> > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many

> > questions

> > > > which do not get answered by the common approach.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical

> > statement

> > > > about

> > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have

not yet

> > > > found

> > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > >

> > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to find

out if

> > > > Pancha

> > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when

the

> > > > graha are

> > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > >

> > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment.

I was

> > > > only

> > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your

goodself.

> > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment

> > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause

Sanskrit

> > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This is

> > neither

> > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the

> > modern

> > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is

> > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I

would

> > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of

> > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of

charts

> > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family

members,

> > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not

> > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in

real

> > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a

incident

> > has

> > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not

happened.

> > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons

logically,

> > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for

> > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays

> > charts.

> > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see whether

the

> > > > person

> > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or

not.

> > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha

or

> > not,

> > > > and

> > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him

> > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in

many

> > > > charts,

> > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of

astrology, to

> > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about the

> > > > importance

> > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small

> > town too

> > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know

and ask

> > > > him.

> > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly

with

> > the

> > > > natal

> > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required

intuition

> > > > power.

> > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal

> > chart,

> > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and

so

> > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We

> > shall

> > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in

fact

> > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in

isolation

> > in

> > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new

that

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it

is the

> > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2

or 3

> > > > books

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even

calculators

> > were

> > > > not

> > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any

> > classic

> > > > of

> > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you

call

> > it?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all

> > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make

people

> > > > Kings or

> > > > > > army

> > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with

Bhava

> > > > Chalit

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha

> > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from

outside,

> > but

> > > > inside

> > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how

do

> > we

> > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of

peoples

> > > > charts

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from

the

> > Bhava

> > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for

they

> > have

> > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or

visiting

> > few

> > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal

in

> > > > English).

> > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple

reason

> > that

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you

quote

> > the

> > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become

secondary

> > > > and do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the

term,

> > but

> > > > just

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand .

> > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many

planets to

> > > > make a

> > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas,

> > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ?

> > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means

> > combinations in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart,

> > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road

would

> > have a

> > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should

do

> > with

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail

> > that a

> > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains

in

> > the

> > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit

then it

> > will

> > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly

with

> > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on

Yogas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is

not a

> > > > part of

> > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the

fact

> > > > that in

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an

> > astrologer

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible

> > results

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find

out

> > > > whether

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or

> > negative

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and

Venus in

> > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in,

say,

> > > > Gemini

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of

Chandraadhi

> > yoga

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the

> > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to

be

> > so

> > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause

when we

> > see

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may

go

> > to

> > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may

go in

> > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in

giving the

> > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others

> > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general

and

> > not

> > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my

mail

> > went

> > > > in

> > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think

so.

> > Please

> > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual

> > sevenths as

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28

degrees if

> > I

> > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common

yoga.

> > > > However

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be

more

> > than

> > > > 15

> > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh

> > > > together in

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya"

yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs

when

> > any

> > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at

> > certain

> > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde"

> > motion

> > > > and

> > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the

> > distance

> > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here,

the

> > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform.

In

> > this

> > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some

basic

> > > > principle

> > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya

yoga in

> > > > your

> > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me

have a

> > > > chart

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is

one

> > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's

> > > > population

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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November 27, 2006

Dear Bhaskar Ji:

"Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach

syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already

into teaching College students."

Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has contributed much

to this group and to many in this group individually. While I am not

trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else, I would request

you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone else.

We do not meet most members of this forum in person, that should make

us doubly kind towards various contributors.

My 2cents.

Regards

Shankar

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrasekharji,

>

> Chandrasekharji said-

> //

> > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have

> the

> > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question

> asked

> > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to

> fulfill

> > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the

> question.//

>

> Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the luxury

> of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to cast a

> chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House division,

> Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the Degrees

> for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how

> much and where the difference will come even if RAMC calculation

> of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of

> Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the

> developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the

> field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a

> astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a mathematical

> Query.

>

> Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach

> syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already

> into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of time,

> having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really feel

> sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially

> from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all.

> This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the

> elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up

> any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the

> discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom

> I learnt 20 years back.

>

> //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna

> being in

> > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of

> rasis in

> > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when

> it

> > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship

> will

> > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if

> you

> > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each

> bhava in

> > each rasi?//

>

> I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a small

> example to make your question logical to understand.But if you

> mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees

> Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the Lord of

> the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas fall in

> the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the signs.

> How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each Bhava in

> Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and whether You

> take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or whatever.

>

> //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of

> Bhava

> > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as

> according

> > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart.

> > //

>

> Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a small

> town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart. Why are

> the software companies since last 30 years existence in India, have

> The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ? They

> are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand and

> talk about general

> character of a person, in the same way only generalisations can be

> made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will

> actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the Chalit

> Chart, no doubt about it.

>

> Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request all

> those indulging in this to please do their homework and have their

> basics right before putting up questions.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> -- In , Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have

> the

> > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question

> asked

> > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to

> fulfill

> > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the

> question.

> >

> > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna being

> in

> > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of

> rasis in

> > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when

> it

> > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship

> will

> > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if

> you

> > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each

> bhava in

> > each rasi?

> >

> > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of Bhava

> > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as

> according

> > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrasekhar,

> > >

> > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but

> > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the

> astrologers

> > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do not know

> > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30 years

> > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do not

> know,

> > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a good

> > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher.

> > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few weeks

> > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about it of

> > > course, and thats why we know about it.

> > >

> > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the use of

> > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships

> assigned

> > > to which Bhava can never come up.

> > >

> > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ----

> > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or Placidus,

> from

> > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not

> matter,

> > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would like

> you

> > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as possible, as

> I

> > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic astrology,

> > > having

> > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of

> view.

> > > As

> > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you should

> > > stick to

> > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the

> > > lagna is

> > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be highly

> > > > appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of my

> > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a place

> where

> > > I

> > > > > may not be able to reach in this life.

> > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, especially

> the

> > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not find

> > > anywhere,

> > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya

> Bhuvan ,Jyotisha

> > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, and

> from

> > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out.

> > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and

> review,

> > > may

> > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach

> suggested. So

> > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and then

> > > using

> > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many

> > > questions

> > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical

> > > statement

> > > > > about

> > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have

> not yet

> > > > > found

> > > > > > any reference to that premise so far.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to find

> out if

> > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when

> the

> > > > > graha are

> > > > > > in bhava Madhya.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment.

> I was

> > > > > only

> > > > > > replying to your specific query to me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your

> goodself.

> > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment

> > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause

> Sanskrit

> > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This is

> > > neither

> > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the

> > > modern

> > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is

> > > > > > > implied, in simple words.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I

> would

> > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of

> > > > > > > authentic birth time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of

> charts

> > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family

> members,

> > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not

> > > > > fructifying.

> > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas,

> > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in

> real

> > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the

> > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a

> incident

> > > has

> > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not

> happened.

> > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons

> logically,

> > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for

> > > > > > > the answers as to the why.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays

> > > charts.

> > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see whether

> the

> > > > > person

> > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or

> not.

> > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha

> or

> > > not,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him

> > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in

> many

> > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of

> astrology, to

> > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about the

> > > > > importance

> > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small

> > > town too

> > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know

> and ask

> > > > > him.

> > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly

> with

> > > the

> > > > > natal

> > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required

> intuition

> > > > > power.

> > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal

> > > chart,

> > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and

> so

> > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We

> > > shall

> > > > > > > leave, to each his own.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in

> fact

> > > > > > > fructify in

> > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in

> isolation

> > > in

> > > > > > > majority

> > > > > > > > of cases.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new

> that

> > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it

> is the

> > > > > > > creation of

> > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2

> or 3

> > > > > books

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even

> calculators

> > > were

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any

> > > classic

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you

> call

> > > it?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all

> > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make

> people

> > > > > Kings or

> > > > > > > army

> > > > > > > > generals etc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with

> Bhava

> > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha

> > > > > Kundli,or a

> > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from

> outside,

> > > but

> > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how

> do

> > > we

> > > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of

> peoples

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from

> the

> > > Bhava

> > > > > > > Chalit

> > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for

> they

> > > have

> > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or

> visiting

> > > few

> > > > > > > websites.

> > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal

> in

> > > > > English).

> > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple

> reason

> > > that

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions.

> > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you

> quote

> > > the

> > > > > > > classics,

> > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become

> secondary

> > > > > and do

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the

> term,

> > > but

> > > > > just

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all.

> > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand .

> > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many

> planets to

> > > > > make a

> > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas,

> > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ?

> > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means

> > > combinations in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart,

> > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied.

> > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road

> would

> > > have a

> > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should

> do

> > > with

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail

> > > that a

> > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains

> in

> > > the

> > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit

> then it

> > > will

> > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly

> with

> > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on

> Yogas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is

> not a

> > > > > part of

> > > > > > > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the

> fact

> > > > > that in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible

> > > results

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find

> out

> > > > > whether

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or

> > > negative

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and

> Venus in

> > > > > Aries,

> > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in,

> say,

> > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of

> Chandraadhi

> > > yoga

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the

> > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi,

> > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to

> be

> > > so

> > > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause

> when we

> > > see

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Spashta

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may

> go

> > > to

> > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for

> > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may

> go in

> > > > > > > succeedent,

> > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in

> giving the

> > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others

> > > welcome.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general

> and

> > > not

> > > > > > > > > addressed to

> > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my

> mail

> > > went

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think

> so.

> > > Please

> > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual

> > > sevenths as

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > maximum

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28

> degrees if

> > > I

> > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common

> yoga.

> > > > > However

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be

> more

> > > than

> > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh

> > > > > together in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > or in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya"

> yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs

> when

> > > any

> > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at

> > > certain

> > > > > > > > > degrees,

> > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde"

> > > motion

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the

> > > distance

> > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > surya and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here,

> the

> > > > > Budh is

> > > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform.

> In

> > > this

> > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some

> basic

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya

> yoga in

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me

> have a

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is

> one

> > > > > awfully

> > > > > > > > > overrated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's

> > > > > population

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > > > > > removed]

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November 27, 2006

it pained me a lot too.

yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in age but knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these discussions. having read much of the shastras in original samskrit, has also willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members on this group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing any negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast knowledge. i think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as is evident from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare indeed to find men of substance who keep their cool despite the vast knowledge they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish and deals with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of groups, schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and not the student or querist's background.

he certainly deserves respect from us all.

mahalakshmi

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