Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact fructify in Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in majority of cases. Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new that I have heard and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it is the creation of the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that. I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 or 3 books and have not learnt my astrology from web as even calculators were not developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you call it? Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis. You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all Panchmahapurusha yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make people Kings or army generals etc. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava Chalit and > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha Kundli,or a > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside, but inside > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do we explain > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples charts and > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the Bhava Chalit > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they have become > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting few websites. > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in English). > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason that this > is the chart for making predictions. > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote the classics, > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary and do not > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term, but just to > gauge the strength, thats all. > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand . > Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to make a > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas, > and which one are you referring to in this case ? > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means combinations in the > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart, > whcih have to be seen and studied. > Otherwise every second person walking on the road would have a > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do with regards > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail that a > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in the Bhava > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it will > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with experience. > Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a part of > Arsha > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact that in a > chart > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an astrologer should > try > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible results of the > yogas > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out whether the > bhava > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or negative results > to > > understand operation of any yoga. > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, > Mercury > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and > Lagna > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will > > fructify in all its glory? > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the Suryadi,Chandradi, > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be so beautiful > in > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we see the > Spashta > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go to another > > > Bhava ,for > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in succeedent, > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the apparent > > > results. > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others welcome. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and not > addressed to > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail went in there, > > > > nothing else. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please check > my > > > > mail. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as the > maximum > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I remember > > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. However for > it > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more than 15 > degrees > > > and > > > > > > better > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a > bhava > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in > a > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain > degrees, > > > > except > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, > ketu > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between > > > > surya and > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is > getting > > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, > still > > > > this > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in your case > > > would > > > > be > > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a chart where > Sun > > > > and > > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one awfully > overrated > > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's population would > > > have > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 I agree fully. P.Kumar On 11/23/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: > > Dear Satish ji > > The Crux is - > > 1)If ''Varga chakras'', are ''totally independent & seperate charts > (ie Rashi Chakra is Just one among 16 charts) '' -One should be able > to apply EACH and EVERY rule applicable to Rashi chakra,over > there,as well.Most important concept called Graha Drishti should > then be explained in Vargas. > > 2)'Chandra in the navamsha of Mars and aspected by Mars'' - > explaining Moon's Navamsha Sambandha as well as aspectual connection > with Mars - etc, are valid examples available from classics.Also a > Rashi Bhavanatha or Karaka attaining exalted/good - > navamsha/dashamsha etc are also understandable. > > 3)Through post-mortem (mother-in-law of our boss and HER aarudha > lagna) from our dashamsha is always possible.We need 10 incidents in > a person's life, plus ANY divisional chart(YES - not necessarily the > concerned person's chart)and any type(D-12 or D-20). > > 4)We can also say -''We are yet to EXPLOIT this wonderful chart, > fully''.But this is not Astrology - Like KishoreKumar song - ''Dekho > Oh Diwanom ...Tum Ye Kaam Na karo oh ..Ram(Astrology) Ka Naam... > Badnaam Na karo oh ohh...''' > > Others better learned may disagree. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > <%40>, SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Is divisional charts is a myth, that has now been > > institutinalized ? I would like Chandrashekharjis > > views on this. If I recall, he has said that there is > > a case to be made for using navansha as a separate > > chart( Chandrashekharji, please correct me if I am > > misquoting you), but not for the others. > > > > I am puzzled by people using these charts. Lets say > > for argument sake that they are real charts. How can > > one be so sure of the division chart lagna when many > > natal birth times are aprroximated. To base your > > conclusions on these is quite dangerous. > > > > Anyway by two cents > > > > Satish > > --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d wrote: > > > > > On 11/22/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths > > > as the maximum > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I > > > remember > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > I suspect the 'mutual sevenths' is the brainwave of > > > someone (and I know of > > > some astrologers who do!) who looks at yogas in > > > divisional charts as well > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > _______________ > > Sponsored Link > > > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr > > MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Assoc > > http://.degrees.info > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Dear Chandrasekharji, Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your goodself. Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment and of course not attributed to You. The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause Sanskrit does not understandably use such crude language. This is neither a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the modern day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is implied, in simple words. The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I would not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of authentic birth time. But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of charts in our own circle of relatives and friends and family members, where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not fructifying. We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas, Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in real life . As experts in talking, most of the astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a incident has happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not happened. But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons logically, we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for the answers as to the why. But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays charts. I just check them or other good placements to see whether the person would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or not. And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha or not, and neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in many charts, but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of astrology, to decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify. There is no need to search in classics to know about the importance of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small town too can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know and ask him. It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly with the natal chart or time the events, unless he has the required intuition power. Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal chart, does not mean in any way that its the right way. Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and so can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We shall leave, to each his own. regards, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact fructify in > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in majority > of cases. > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new that I have heard > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it is the creation of > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that. > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 or 3 books and > have not learnt my astrology from web as even calculators were not > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any classic of > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you call it? > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis. > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all Panchmahapurusha > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make people Kings or army > generals etc. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava Chalit and > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha Kundli,or a > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside, but inside > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do we explain > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples charts and > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the Bhava Chalit > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they have become > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting few websites. > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in English). > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason that this > > is the chart for making predictions. > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote the classics, > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary and do not > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term, but just to > > gauge the strength, thats all. > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand . > > Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to make a > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas, > > and which one are you referring to in this case ? > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means combinations in the > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart, > > whcih have to be seen and studied. > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road would have a > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do with regards > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail that a > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in the Bhava > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it will > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with experience. > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a part of > > Arsha > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact that in a > > chart > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an astrologer should > > try > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible results of the > > yogas > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out whether the > > bhava > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or negative results > > to > > > understand operation of any yoga. > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, > > Mercury > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and > > Lagna > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will > > > fructify in all its glory? > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the Suryadi,Chandradi, > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be so beautiful > > in > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we see the > > Spashta > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go to another > > > > Bhava ,for > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in succeedent, > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the apparent > > > > results. > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others welcome. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and not > > addressed to > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail went in there, > > > > > nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please check > > my > > > > > mail. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as the > > maximum > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I remember > > > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. However for > > it > > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more than 15 > > degrees > > > > and > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a > > bhava > > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in > > a > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain > > degrees, > > > > > except > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, > > ketu > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between > > > > > surya and > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is > > getting > > > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, > > still > > > > > this > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in your case > > > > would > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a chart where > > Sun > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one awfully > > overrated > > > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's population would > > > > have > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------- ---- > > -- > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - > > Release > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 DearRampriyaji. What makes you feel guilty by picking out only few lines out of context and pasting the same and commenting ? Also one should not hit other person unnecessarily, just to show his servile and caressing attitude towards still another . Its just not fair. I have no issue with Chandrasekharji and in fact am happy that we have such members for discussions on this Forum. Theres absolutely no projection, none of us except God has the perfectness to project. I am just talking from the heart, without bothering for diplomacy or literal tactness. Thats all. regards, Bhaskar. , "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d wrote: > > On 11/24/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > Any prediction has actually to be made from the Bhava Chalit only, which > > 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they have become self-termed > > astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting few websites. > > > > Do stop projecting. > > Ramapriya > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 On 11/25/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > DearRampriyaji. > > What makes you feel guilty > You must be quite fun at parties. Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Dear Rampriyaji, Oh yes. My real name is Krishna. and Got Vargottama Lagna -Leo 15 degrees. in star of Sun again.. Rest should be prelimnary stuff for you I assume. But You are also Priya of Rama. so naturally would be priya of Krishna too. You just made me smile with your style of writing.Which implies that you can be amusing too. Take care, Best wishes, Bhaskar. , "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d wrote: > > On 11/25/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > DearRampriyaji. > > > > What makes you feel guilty > > > > You must be quite fun at parties. > > Ramapriya > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical statement about Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have not yet found any reference to that premise so far. One could look at charts of people of this age to to find out if Pancha Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when the graha are in bhava Madhya. As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment. I was only replying to your specific query to me. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your goodself. > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment > and of course not attributed to You. > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause Sanskrit > does not understandably use such crude language. This is neither > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the modern > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is > implied, in simple words. > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I would > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of > authentic birth time. > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of charts > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family members, > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not fructifying. > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas, > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in real > life . As experts in talking, most of the > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a incident has > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not happened. > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons logically, > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for > the answers as to the why. > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays charts. > I just check them or other good placements to see whether the person > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or not. > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha or not, and > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in many charts, > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of astrology, to > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify. > > There is no need to search in classics to know about the importance > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small town too > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know and ask him. > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly with the natal > chart or time the events, unless he has the required intuition power. > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal chart, > does not mean in any way that its the right way. > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and so > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We shall > leave, to each his own. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact > fructify in > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in > majority > > of cases. > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new that I have > heard > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it is the > creation of > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that. > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 or 3 books > and > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even calculators were not > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any classic of > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you call it? > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis. > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all > Panchmahapurusha > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make people Kings or > army > > generals etc. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava Chalit > and > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha Kundli,or a > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside, but inside > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do we > explain > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples charts > and > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the Bhava > Chalit > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they have > become > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting few > websites. > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in English). > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason that this > > > is the chart for making predictions. > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote the > classics, > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary and do > not > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term, but just > to > > > gauge the strength, thats all. > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand . > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to make a > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas, > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ? > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means combinations in the > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart, > > > whcih have to be seen and studied. > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road would have a > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do with > regards > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail that a > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in the Bhava > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it will > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with > experience. > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a part of > > > Arsha > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact that in > a > > > chart > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an astrologer > should > > > try > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible results of > the > > > yogas > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out whether > the > > > bhava > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or negative > results > > > to > > > > understand operation of any yoga. > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, > > > Mercury > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini > and > > > Lagna > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga > will > > > > fructify in all its glory? > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the > Suryadi,Chandradi, > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be so > beautiful > > > in > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we see the > > > Spashta > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go to > another > > > > > Bhava ,for > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in > succeedent, > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the > apparent > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others welcome. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and not > > > addressed to > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail went in > there, > > > > > > nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please > check > > > my > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as the > > > maximum > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I > remember > > > > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. However > for > > > it > > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more than 15 > > > degrees > > > > > and > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in > a > > > bhava > > > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any > planet in > > > a > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain > > > degrees, > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and > rahu, > > > ketu > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance > between > > > > > > surya and > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is > > > getting > > > > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this > case, > > > still > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in your > case > > > > > would > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a chart > where > > > Sun > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one awfully > > > overrated > > > > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's population > would > > > > > have > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------- > ---- > > > -- > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - > > > Release > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Pradeepji, Thanks. Here is a simple question. lets say a chart has mithun lagna. Guru being the lord of 7th house. Lets alsosay moon is in Mithuna to remove one more parameter. Now in navansha guru is exalted ( in Karka). In one case the navansha lagna is kumbha ( so Guru is in 6th from navansha lagna). In another case it is meena navansha lagna so guru will be in 5th from navnsha lagna. The question is has guru gained strength in navansha ? Yes. How will these two manifest differently for the native. If one uses bhavas in amshas then in one case it is in 6th bhava and in another case it is in 5th bhava. >From my standpoint, and I do not use bhavas in amshas, I think in the case where meena is navansha lagna, guru becomes a strong contender to give marriage. As it is 7th lord of rashi and is navansha lagna lord.Please elaborate your understanding. Satish --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: > Dear Satish ji > > Similar to Bhavat-Bhavam,one can make Lagna > navamsha/Lagna > dashamsha/Karaka Navamsha etc are reference points > and count > 5th /10th from them,in Rashi Chakra.The lords of > such rashis,that > seperate advocates will find in divisional charts > will be the same > as the above ,too. > Problem is > 1)They tend to bring in aspects > 2)Extensions/Imaginations -will bring in Yogas etc > resulting in > violation of elementary principles. > 3)Most importantly -they fail to see planetary > placements in the > said rashis and judge using amsha sambandhas > alone!!! > Eg Karakamsha analysis- > 1)If 10th from Karakamsha lagna has planetary > aspect(rashi) -One > will miss it. > 2)If a palnet is placed one will miss it > 3)Judgement is based on planet having amsha > there,alone > 4)Bring aspects which are not there > > Rashi chakra is the composite which consists > everything.Vargas show > various relationships(each for specific purpose) a > planet is having > with various Rashis from its single position. > > Navamsha is Prana -But where this Prana is > going/acting has to be > studied.Sthoola is manifestation and sookshma is > underlying.If these > two are not analysed in totality - emerging picture > is just a > fantasy. > > In the complete system called Rashi chakra(One can > study- > aspects,argala,conjunction,Yoga,combustion,war,friendship > etc etc). > > Others better learned may disagree > > Pradeep > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > Where does Parashara mention Divisional charts ? > He > > mentions divisions ( amshas). Whether the amsha > has be > > read as it relates to the amsha lagna for a > particular > > amsha is an open question still in my mind. > > > > A planet exalted in navansha gains strength. But > what > > if this planet is in 5th house from lagna navansha > in > > one case and in 8th in another case. Would you say > it > > has not gained strength when it is in 8th from > > navansha lagna and has gained strength wehn it is > in > > 5th from navansha lagna ? How to ascertain > strength in > > namsha ? Just amsha strength or also bhava > strength ? > > I am interested in what classics say. The modern > > interpreters have already put their views on this > > subject and that why I am asking is this thing so > > institutionalized that it is beyond debate. I am > not > > sure it is beyond debate and I think what sages > have > > said has been extrapolated by many and that could > be > > erroneous. > > > > Satish > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > Though the below mail was not addressed to me > yet I > > > wish to > > > put some views. > > > Divisonal charts cannot be a myth because it has > > > been mentioned > > > in a chapter by Parashar Maharaj. > > > Next though birth times are approximated (since > in > > > our own bedroom > > > You will find difference in times of your wrist > > > watch,on your > > > cell phone, on the wall clock,on the TV through > set > > > up Box,in > > > your alarm clock, in your Computer and also > probably > > > on the wifes > > > wrist watch if she wears one,then how can one > expect > > > the hospitals > > > to mantain exact time,or the hospital staff to > be so > > > loyal that > > > they will so dutifully note the time of birth > > > leaving other duties > > > as if the child born was their own), yet there > are > > > few ways > > > to exact this approximated time to near perfect > if > > > not perfect. Once > > > this is not done, going through the divisional > > > charts is meaningless. > > > But if a person is adept to read the divisional > > > charts with > > > full respect to the scriptures then they can be > sure > > > to grant > > > support to the findings in the natal chart with > > > reference to the > > > spouse, Profession, spiritual persuits, wealth > and > > > children > > > apart from the other factors. LR cahwdhri has > > > written about this > > > long back I think about 15 years back, and also > Shri > > > Chandubhai Patel > > > has written a beautiful book on Navamsha which > is a > > > must to be read > > > by all astrologers who want to learn how to use > the > > > Navamsha for > > > predicting grave matters alongwith help of > > > Ashtakvarga > > > and transits. > > > > > > But to check Yogas from these charts is somehow > not > > > digestable > > > through any remote means . > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Is divisional charts is a myth, that has now > been > > > > institutinalized ? I would like > Chandrashekharjis > > > > views on this. If I recall, he has said that > there > > > is > > > > a case to be made for using navansha as a > separate > > > > chart( Chandrashekharji, please correct me if > I am > > > > misquoting you), but not for the others. > > > > > > > > I am puzzled by people using these charts. > Lets > > > say > > > > for argument sake that they are real charts. > How > > > can > > > > one be so sure of the division chart lagna > when > > > many > > > > natal birth times are aprroximated. To base > your > > > > conclusions on these is quite dangerous. > > > > > > > > Anyway by two cents > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 11/22/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > === message truncated === Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Dear Chandrasekharji, Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of my small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a place where I may not be able to reach in this life. Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, especially the Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not find anywhere, except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan ,Jyotisha Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, and from where ordinary students cannot just pass out. Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and review, may not adopt it, but at least go through some approach suggested. So Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and then using Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many questions which do not get answered by the common approach. Best wishes, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical statement about > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have not yet found > any reference to that premise so far. > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to find out if Pancha > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when the graha are > in bhava Madhya. > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment. I was only > replying to your specific query to me. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your goodself. > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment > > and of course not attributed to You. > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause Sanskrit > > does not understandably use such crude language. This is neither > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the modern > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is > > implied, in simple words. > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I would > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of > > authentic birth time. > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of charts > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family members, > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not fructifying. > > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas, > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in real > > life . As experts in talking, most of the > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a incident has > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not happened. > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons logically, > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for > > the answers as to the why. > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays charts. > > I just check them or other good placements to see whether the person > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or not. > > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha or not, and > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in many charts, > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of astrology, to > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify. > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about the importance > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small town too > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know and ask him. > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly with the natal > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required intuition power. > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal chart, > > does not mean in any way that its the right way. > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and so > > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We shall > > leave, to each his own. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact > > fructify in > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in > > majority > > > of cases. > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new that I have > > heard > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it is the > > creation of > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that. > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 or 3 books > > and > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even calculators were not > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any classic of > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you call it? > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis. > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all > > Panchmahapurusha > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make people Kings or > > army > > > generals etc. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava Chalit > > and > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha Kundli,or a > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside, but inside > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do we > > explain > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples charts > > and > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the Bhava > > Chalit > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they have > > become > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting few > > websites. > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in English). > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason that this > > > > is the chart for making predictions. > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote the > > classics, > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary and do > > not > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term, but just > > to > > > > gauge the strength, thats all. > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand . > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to make a > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas, > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ? > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means combinations in the > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart, > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied. > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road would have a > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do with > > regards > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail that a > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in the Bhava > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it will > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with > > experience. > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a part of > > > > Arsha > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact that in > > a > > > > chart > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an astrologer > > should > > > > try > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible results of > > the > > > > yogas > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out whether > > the > > > > bhava > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or negative > > results > > > > to > > > > > understand operation of any yoga. > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, > > > > Mercury > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini > > and > > > > Lagna > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga > > will > > > > > fructify in all its glory? > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the > > Suryadi,Chandradi, > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be so > > beautiful > > > > in > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we see the > > > > Spashta > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go to > > another > > > > > > Bhava ,for > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in > > succeedent, > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the > > apparent > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and not > > > > addressed to > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail went in > > there, > > > > > > > nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please > > check > > > > my > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as the > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I > > remember > > > > > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. However > > for > > > > it > > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more than 15 > > > > degrees > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in > > a > > > > bhava > > > > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any > > planet in > > > > a > > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain > > > > degrees, > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and > > rahu, > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance > > between > > > > > > > surya and > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this > > case, > > > > still > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in your > > case > > > > > > would > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a chart > > where > > > > Sun > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one awfully > > > > overrated > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's population > > would > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------- ---- > > ---- > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - > > > > Release > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------- ---- > > -- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > Release > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic astrology, having created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of view. As long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you should stick to them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the lagna is at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be highly appreciated. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of my > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a place where I > may not be able to reach in this life. > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, especially the > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not find anywhere, > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan ,Jyotisha > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, and from > where ordinary students cannot just pass out. > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and review, may > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach suggested. So > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and then using > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many questions > which do not get answered by the common approach. > > Best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical statement > about > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have not yet > found > > any reference to that premise so far. > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to find out if > Pancha > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when the > graha are > > in bhava Madhya. > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment. I was > only > > replying to your specific query to me. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your goodself. > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment > > > and of course not attributed to You. > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause Sanskrit > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This is neither > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the modern > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is > > > implied, in simple words. > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I would > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of > > > authentic birth time. > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of charts > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family members, > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not > fructifying. > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas, > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in real > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a incident has > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not happened. > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons logically, > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for > > > the answers as to the why. > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays charts. > > > I just check them or other good placements to see whether the > person > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or not. > > > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha or not, > and > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in many > charts, > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of astrology, to > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify. > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about the > importance > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small town too > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know and ask > him. > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly with the > natal > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required intuition > power. > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal chart, > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way. > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and so > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We shall > > > leave, to each his own. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact > > > fructify in > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in > > > majority > > > > of cases. > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new that I > have > > > heard > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it is the > > > creation of > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that. > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 or 3 > books > > > and > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even calculators were > not > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any classic > of > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you call it? > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis. > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all > > > Panchmahapurusha > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make people > Kings or > > > army > > > > generals etc. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava > Chalit > > > and > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha > Kundli,or a > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside, but > inside > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do we > > > explain > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples > charts > > > and > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the Bhava > > > Chalit > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they have > > > become > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting few > > > websites. > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in > English). > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason that > this > > > > > is the chart for making predictions. > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote the > > > classics, > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary > and do > > > not > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term, but > just > > > to > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all. > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand . > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to > make a > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas, > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ? > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means combinations in > the > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart, > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied. > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road would have a > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do with > > > regards > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail that a > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in the > Bhava > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it will > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with > > > experience. > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a > part of > > > > > Arsha > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact > that in > > > a > > > > > chart > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an astrologer > > > should > > > > > try > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible results > of > > > the > > > > > yogas > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out > whether > > > the > > > > > bhava > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or negative > > > results > > > > > to > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in > Aries, > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, > Gemini > > > and > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga > > > will > > > > > > fructify in all its glory? > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the > > > Suryadi,Chandradi, > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be so > > > beautiful > > > > > in > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we see > the > > > > > Spashta > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go to > > > another > > > > > > > Bhava ,for > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in > > > succeedent, > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the > > > apparent > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar" > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and not > > > > > addressed to > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail went > in > > > there, > > > > > > > > nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please > > > check > > > > > my > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as > the > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. > However > > > for > > > > > it > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more than > 15 > > > > > degrees > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh > together in > > > a > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any > > > planet in > > > > > a > > > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain > > > > > degrees, > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion > and > > > rahu, > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance > > > between > > > > > > > > surya and > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the > Budh is > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this > > > case, > > > > > still > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic > principle > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in > your > > > case > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a > chart > > > where > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one > awfully > > > > > overrated > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's > population > > > would > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > 268.14.6/536 - > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------- > ---- > > > -- > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > > Release > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Dear Chandrasekhar, This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the astrologers working on these Forums how can they predict when they do not know the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30 years back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do not know, neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a good class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher. Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few weeks back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about it of course, and thats why we know about it. If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the use of computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships assigned to which Bhava can never come up. When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ---- This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or Placidus, from wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not matter, only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would like you specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as possible, as I see some potential in you which should not be wasted. Best wishes, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic astrology, having > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of view. As > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you should stick to > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the lagna is > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be highly > appreciated. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of my > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a place where I > > may not be able to reach in this life. > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, especially the > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not find anywhere, > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan ,Jyotisha > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, and from > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out. > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and review, may > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach suggested. So > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and then using > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many questions > > which do not get answered by the common approach. > > > > Best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical statement > > about > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have not yet > > found > > > any reference to that premise so far. > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to find out if > > Pancha > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when the > > graha are > > > in bhava Madhya. > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment. I was > > only > > > replying to your specific query to me. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your goodself. > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment > > > > and of course not attributed to You. > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause Sanskrit > > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This is neither > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the modern > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is > > > > implied, in simple words. > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I would > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of > > > > authentic birth time. > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of charts > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family members, > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not > > fructifying. > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas, > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in real > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a incident has > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not happened. > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons logically, > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for > > > > the answers as to the why. > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays charts. > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see whether the > > person > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or not. > > > > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha or not, > > and > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in many > > charts, > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of astrology, to > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify. > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about the > > importance > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small town too > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know and ask > > him. > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly with the > > natal > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required intuition > > power. > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal chart, > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way. > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and so > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We shall > > > > leave, to each his own. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact > > > > fructify in > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in > > > > majority > > > > > of cases. > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new that I > > have > > > > heard > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it is the > > > > creation of > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that. > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 or 3 > > books > > > > and > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even calculators were > > not > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any classic > > of > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you call it? > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis. > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all > > > > Panchmahapurusha > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make people > > Kings or > > > > army > > > > > generals etc. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava > > Chalit > > > > and > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha > > Kundli,or a > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside, but > > inside > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do we > > > > explain > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples > > charts > > > > and > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the Bhava > > > > Chalit > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they have > > > > become > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting few > > > > websites. > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in > > English). > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason that > > this > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions. > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote the > > > > classics, > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary > > and do > > > > not > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term, but > > just > > > > to > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all. > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand . > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to > > make a > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas, > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ? > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means combinations in > > the > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart, > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied. > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road would have a > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do with > > > > regards > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail that a > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in the > > Bhava > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it will > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with > > > > experience. > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a > > part of > > > > > > Arsha > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact > > that in > > > > a > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an astrologer > > > > should > > > > > > try > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible results > > of > > > > the > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out > > whether > > > > the > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or negative > > > > results > > > > > > to > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in > > Aries, > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, > > Gemini > > > > and > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga > > > > will > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi, > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be so > > > > beautiful > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we see > > the > > > > > > Spashta > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go to > > > > another > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in > > > > succeedent, > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the > > > > apparent > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and not > > > > > > addressed to > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail went > > in > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please > > > > check > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as > > the > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. > > However > > > > for > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more than > > 15 > > > > > > degrees > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh > > together in > > > > a > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any > > > > planet in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain > > > > > > degrees, > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion > > and > > > > rahu, > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance > > > > between > > > > > > > > > surya and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the > > Budh is > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this > > > > case, > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic > > principle > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in > > your > > > > case > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a > > chart > > > > where > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one > > awfully > > > > > > overrated > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's > > population > > > > would > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------- ---- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > 268.14.6/536 - > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------- ---- > > ---- > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > > > Release > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- ---- > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - Release > > > > Date: > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Dear All, Let me rephrase that to say that while other planets lose their ability of benefic results while associated with Su, the same cannot be said of Me. Humble Regards, Hemant Desai vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" <ashwin_062k wrote: > > Dear Hemant > > Could you please provide with the astrological/astronomical reason > for budh not get combust with surya. > > Regards > Sridhar > > vedic astrology, Agnyeya <agnyeya@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > For the Budh-Aditya yoga to fructify the distance between the 2 > must be atleast 10 degrees. > > Also Budh is the only planet which due to its motion is always > very near to Surya, hence normally there may be many charts where > you see Budh in 12th or in 2nd from Su. > > Also Budh is one planet which does not get combust with Su. > > > > Dear Gurus, please verify. > > > > || Om Krishna Guru || > > Humble Regards, > > Hemant Desai > > > > ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > Dear Gurujans > > > > Correction : The distance between surya and budh is 2deg 27 mts > > and not 1 deg 8 mts as given below. > > > > Sorry for the inconvenience > > > > Regards > > Sridhar > > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except > for > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu > doesn't > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting > combust > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this > > Yoga > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > > > > > Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me. > > > > > > Regards > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agnyeya@ Planet Earth > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 vedic astrology, "astro_kid_1" <agnyeya wrote: >Dear members I am reproducing my earlier post in this regard for the benefit of readers May I know what made you to come to such conclusions regarding Budha- aditya yoga as your answers do not stand to the rules mentioned in Hindu Astronomy and Astrology. I feel that these are basics that many students like you must know before coming to conclusion based on own thoughts. The rules for find any union of planets called yuti or yoga are: 1)When the longitude of the swift-moving planet is greater than that of the slow one, the conjunction (samyoga) is past; otherwise, it is to come; this is the case when the two are moving eastward i.e., clockwise; if, however, they are retrograding (vakrin), the contrary is true 2)When the longitude of the one moving eastward is greater, the conjunction (samagama)is past; but when that of the one that is retrograding is greater, it is to come. 3)When the distance between the two planets is < or = 12 degrees then the question of yoga arises otherwise not Given these conditions, can you identify 1)faster and slower planets 2)Reassess your statement "budha-adhitya yoga occurs if budha is not combust" in light of these rules 3)Can you tell the reason for specific degrees i.e., why 12 is only alloted for occurence of any yoga I have a very feeble hope that you can answer these questions and also suggest you to verify your budha-aditya yoga if present. I feel strongly that you should first check your basics of Hindu Astronomy and later Astrology and it is not as easy as "read and throw" attitude Hope you got the point Jairadhe > Dear All, > > Let me rephrase that to say that while other planets lose their > ability of benefic results while associated with Su, the same cannot > be said of Me. > > Humble Regards, > Hemant Desai > > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > Dear Hemant > > > > Could you please provide with the astrological/astronomical reason > > for budh not get combust with surya. > > > > Regards > > Sridhar > > > > vedic astrology, Agnyeya <agnyeya@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > For the Budh-Aditya yoga to fructify the distance between the > 2 > > must be atleast 10 degrees. > > > Also Budh is the only planet which due to its motion is always > > very near to Surya, hence normally there may be many charts where > > you see Budh in 12th or in 2nd from Su. > > > Also Budh is one planet which does not get combust with Su. > > > > > > Dear Gurus, please verify. > > > > > > || Om Krishna Guru || > > > Humble Regards, > > > Hemant Desai > > > > > > ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > Correction : The distance between surya and budh is 2deg 27 mts > > > and not 1 deg 8 mts as given below. > > > > > > Sorry for the inconvenience > > > > > > Regards > > > Sridhar > > > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" > > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or > in > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except > > for > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu > > doesn't > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya > and > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting > > combust > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this > > > Yoga > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > > > > > > > Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agnyeya@ Planet Earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Friend, Dear Bhaskar, You have pointed beautifully.Chalit chakra is well known,and most astrology software have options.Because of advent and integration of Gemini principals now a days equal house system appers in use.But many astrologer still know and use and cross check bhav lordship and placements i n chalit. By the way one good friend of mine was mentioning about calculations of Shad bala and grah yuddha bala. It was taught it takes a couple of days to workout Bala. This is simply amazing.On the basis of JPL ephemeries rockets are able to land on moon and planets but calculation by computers are not reliable?it can be so only if writing has error. Just think of time when maharshis invented the system of calclations and gave results how they got so called Bala calculations as well as sphuta. Because of house division and certain parameters involved SW give diffeent Shad bala results.Sometimes we believe in certain assumption and other parampara takes differently. Some of the postings are related toprincipalsof of Krishna murti system , mixed . This all creates confusion in mind of student.We must always indicate what system of House divison is taken while analysing and working out matters of Real consequence. Hope thoughts are is in order. Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah Sarve Santu Niramaya Sarve Bhadrani Pasyantu Ma Kashchid Dukh Bhaag Bhaveit HARI OM TATSAT ------------------------ R.C.Srivastava For Consultation -Service E-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa" Shaheed Nagar. Agra 282001 INDIA Ph +91-562-223-2323/+91-562-400-1223 Mob +91-94122-68768 http://www.cosmograce.com http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com ------------------------ Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Shri Swamiji, Hari Om. Thank You for the mail. I was wondering whats wrong with me and where have I landed ,that I have to explain importance about Chalit charts. Sir though I believe in validity of all systems and approaches, I personally use the Placidus House division system. Many softwares have difference in their charts in degrees, I also wish to say that some softwares have difference even within their own older versions and newer versions. It is always better to check ones own chart ,if he is a astrologer, from the Rapheals Ephemeris and minus the ayanamsha. Also he should prepare at least his own chart manually , if he knows how to do this. Because a difference in one second in RAMC calculation brings a difference of few minutes on the cusps. But then this is for the people who know the importance of Nakshatras in Astrology, the old vedic way, and nothing new or Modern. But yet due to modern softwares, a few degrees here and there changes all the Star Lords and the Sublords creating a harakiri of the results told and actually felt by the native. regards, Bhaskar. , "swami" <swami_rcs wrote: > > > II Om Gurave Namah II > Hari om , Friend, > Dear Bhaskar, > You have pointed beautifully.Chalit chakra is well known,and most astrology software have options.Because of advent and integration of Gemini principals now a days equal house system appers in use.But many astrologer still know and use and cross check bhav lordship and placements i n chalit. > By the way one good friend of mine was mentioning about calculations of Shad bala and grah yuddha bala. It was taught it takes a couple of days to workout Bala. This is simply amazing.On the basis of JPL ephemeries rockets are able to land on moon and planets but calculation by computers are not reliable?it can be so only if writing has error. > Just think of time when maharshis invented the system of calclations and gave results how they got so called Bala calculations as well as sphuta. > Because of house division and certain parameters involved SW give diffeent Shad bala results.Sometimes we believe in certain assumption and other parampara takes differently. > Some of the postings are related toprincipalsof of Krishna murti system , mixed . This all creates confusion in mind of student.We must always indicate what system of House divison is taken while analysing and working out matters of Real consequence. > Hope thoughts are is in order. > > > > > Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah > Sarve Santu Niramaya > Sarve Bhadrani Pasyantu > Ma Kashchid Dukh Bhaag Bhaveit > HARI OM TATSAT > ------------------------ > R.C.Srivastava > For Consultation -Service > E-mail : swami_rcs > > 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa" > Shaheed Nagar. Agra 282001 > INDIA > > Ph +91-562-223-2323/+91-562-400-1223 > Mob +91-94122-68768 > http://www.cosmograce.com > http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com > ------------------------ > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy > our sins, and guide us in the right direction! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have the luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question asked about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to fulfill the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the question. I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna being in early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of rasis in different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when it rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi? As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of Bhava chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as according to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the astrologers > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do not know > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30 years > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do not know, > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a good > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher. > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few weeks > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about it of > course, and thats why we know about it. > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the use of > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships assigned > to which Bhava can never come up. > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ---- > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or Placidus, from > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not matter, > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would like you > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as possible, as I > see some potential in you which should not be wasted. > > Best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic astrology, > having > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of view. > As > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you should > stick to > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the > lagna is > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be highly > > appreciated. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of my > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a place where > I > > > may not be able to reach in this life. > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, especially the > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not find > anywhere, > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan ,Jyotisha > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, and from > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out. > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and review, > may > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach suggested. So > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and then > using > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many > questions > > > which do not get answered by the common approach. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical > statement > > > about > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have not yet > > > found > > > > any reference to that premise so far. > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to find out if > > > Pancha > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when the > > > graha are > > > > in bhava Madhya. > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment. I was > > > only > > > > replying to your specific query to me. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your goodself. > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment > > > > > and of course not attributed to You. > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause Sanskrit > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This is > neither > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the > modern > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is > > > > > implied, in simple words. > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I would > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of > > > > > authentic birth time. > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of charts > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family members, > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not > > > fructifying. > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas, > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in real > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a incident > has > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not happened. > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons logically, > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for > > > > > the answers as to the why. > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays > charts. > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see whether the > > > person > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or not. > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha or > not, > > > and > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in many > > > charts, > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of astrology, to > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify. > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about the > > > importance > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small > town too > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know and ask > > > him. > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly with > the > > > natal > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required intuition > > > power. > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal > chart, > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way. > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and so > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We > shall > > > > > leave, to each his own. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact > > > > > fructify in > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation > in > > > > > majority > > > > > > of cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new that > I > > > have > > > > > heard > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it is the > > > > > creation of > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 or 3 > > > books > > > > > and > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even calculators > were > > > not > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any > classic > > > of > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you call > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all > > > > > Panchmahapurusha > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make people > > > Kings or > > > > > army > > > > > > generals etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava > > > Chalit > > > > > and > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha > > > Kundli,or a > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside, > but > > > inside > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do > we > > > > > explain > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples > > > charts > > > > > and > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the > Bhava > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they > have > > > > > become > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting > few > > > > > websites. > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in > > > English). > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason > that > > > this > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions. > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote > the > > > > > classics, > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary > > > and do > > > > > not > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term, > but > > > just > > > > > to > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all. > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand . > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to > > > make a > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas, > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ? > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means > combinations in > > > the > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart, > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied. > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road would > have a > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do > with > > > > > regards > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail > that a > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in > the > > > Bhava > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it > will > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a > > > part of > > > > > > > Arsha > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact > > > that in > > > > > a > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an > astrologer > > > > > should > > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible > results > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out > > > whether > > > > > the > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or > negative > > > > > results > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in > > > Aries, > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, > > > Gemini > > > > > and > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi > yoga > > > > > will > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi, > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be > so > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we > see > > > the > > > > > > > Spashta > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go > to > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in > > > > > succeedent, > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the > > > > > apparent > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and > not > > > > > > > addressed to > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail > went > > > in > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. > Please > > > > > check > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual > sevenths as > > > the > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if > I > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. > > > However > > > > > for > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more > than > > > 15 > > > > > > > degrees > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh > > > together in > > > > > a > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when > any > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at > certain > > > > > > > degrees, > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" > motion > > > and > > > > > rahu, > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the > distance > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > surya and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the > > > Budh is > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In > this > > > > > case, > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic > > > principle > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in > > > your > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a > > > chart > > > > > where > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one > > > awfully > > > > > > > overrated > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's > > > population > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > 268.14.6/536 - > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- > ---- > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > Release > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Dear Amit ji, For a very long time I had been looking for examples where combustion alone was the make or break factor in a negative effect or non- expression or mal-expression of a planet in a given chart. Not just mercury, the messenger who connects us with the Source: SUN, but also other planets who may or may not really like or care for the SUN (Saturn or the nodes, for instance). I have a feeling that you may have such examples that I have been looking for, for so long. I am getting older and weaker each day. Please share as soon as you can ... Thank you, sir. Rohiniranjan vedic astrology, "Amit Agrawal" <amit.astrologer wrote: > > Dear Hemant, > This is completely wrong view view that "Also Budh is one planet > which does not get combust with Su." > Thanks, > Amit > > > On 11/18/06, Agnyeya <agnyeya wrote: > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > For the Budh-Aditya yoga to fructify the distance between the 2 must be > > atleast 10 degrees. > > Also Budh is the only planet which due to its motion is always very near > > to Surya, hence normally there may be many charts where you see Budh in 12th > > or in 2nd from Su. > > Also Budh is one planet which does not get combust with Su. > > > > Dear Gurus, please verify. > > > > || Om Krishna Guru || > > Humble Regards, > > Hemant Desai > > > > ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > Dear Gurujans > > > > Correction : The distance between surya and budh is 2deg 27 mts > > and not 1 deg 8 mts as given below. > > > > Sorry for the inconvenience > > > > Regards > > Sridhar > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology% 40>, > > "ashwin_062k" > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except for > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu doesn't > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting combust > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this > > Yoga > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > > > > > Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me. > > > > > > Regards > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > Agnyeya@ Planet Earth > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get > > it NOW > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Dear Chandrasekharji, Chandrasekharji said- // > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have the > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question asked > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to fulfill > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the question.// Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the luxury of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to cast a chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House division, Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the Degrees for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how much and where the difference will come even if RAMC calculation of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a mathematical Query. Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of time, having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really feel sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all. This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom I learnt 20 years back. //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna being in > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of rasis in > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when it > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in > each rasi?// I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a small example to make your question logical to understand.But if you mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the Lord of the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas fall in the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the signs. How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each Bhava in Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and whether You take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or whatever. //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of Bhava > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as according > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart. > // Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a small town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart. Why are the software companies since last 30 years existence in India, have The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ? They are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand and talk about general character of a person, in the same way only generalisations can be made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the Chalit Chart, no doubt about it. Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request all those indulging in this to please do their homework and have their basics right before putting up questions. regards, Bhaskar. -- In , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have the > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question asked > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to fulfill > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the question. > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna being in > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of rasis in > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when it > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in > each rasi? > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of Bhava > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as according > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the astrologers > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do not know > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30 years > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do not know, > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a good > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher. > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few weeks > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about it of > > course, and thats why we know about it. > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the use of > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships assigned > > to which Bhava can never come up. > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ---- > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or Placidus, from > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not matter, > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would like you > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as possible, as I > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted. > > > > Best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic astrology, > > having > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of view. > > As > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you should > > stick to > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the > > lagna is > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be highly > > > appreciated. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of my > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a place where > > I > > > > may not be able to reach in this life. > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, especially the > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not find > > anywhere, > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan ,Jyotisha > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, and from > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out. > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and review, > > may > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach suggested. So > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and then > > using > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many > > questions > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical > > statement > > > > about > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have not yet > > > > found > > > > > any reference to that premise so far. > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to find out if > > > > Pancha > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when the > > > > graha are > > > > > in bhava Madhya. > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment. I was > > > > only > > > > > replying to your specific query to me. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your goodself. > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You. > > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause Sanskrit > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This is > > neither > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the > > modern > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is > > > > > > implied, in simple words. > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I would > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of > > > > > > authentic birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of charts > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family members, > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not > > > > fructifying. > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas, > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in real > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a incident > > has > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not happened. > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons logically, > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for > > > > > > the answers as to the why. > > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays > > charts. > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see whether the > > > > person > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or not. > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha or > > not, > > > > and > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in many > > > > charts, > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of astrology, to > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about the > > > > importance > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small > > town too > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know and ask > > > > him. > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly with > > the > > > > natal > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required intuition > > > > power. > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal > > chart, > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and so > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We > > shall > > > > > > leave, to each his own. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact > > > > > > fructify in > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation > > in > > > > > > majority > > > > > > > of cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new that > > I > > > > have > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it is the > > > > > > creation of > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 or 3 > > > > books > > > > > > and > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even calculators > > were > > > > not > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any > > classic > > > > of > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you call > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make people > > > > Kings or > > > > > > army > > > > > > > generals etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava > > > > Chalit > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha > > > > Kundli,or a > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside, > > but > > > > inside > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do > > we > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples > > > > charts > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the > > Bhava > > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they > > have > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting > > few > > > > > > websites. > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in > > > > English). > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason > > that > > > > this > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions. > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote > > the > > > > > > classics, > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary > > > > and do > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term, > > but > > > > just > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all. > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand . > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to > > > > make a > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas, > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ? > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means > > combinations in > > > > the > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart, > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied. > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road would > > have a > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do > > with > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail > > that a > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in > > the > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it > > will > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with > > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a > > > > part of > > > > > > > > Arsha > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact > > > > that in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an > > astrologer > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible > > results > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out > > > > whether > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or > > negative > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in > > > > Aries, > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, > > > > Gemini > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi > > yoga > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi, > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be > > so > > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we > > see > > > > the > > > > > > > > Spashta > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go > > to > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in > > > > > > succeedent, > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the > > > > > > apparent > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and > > not > > > > > > > > addressed to > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail > > went > > > > in > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. > > Please > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual > > sevenths as > > > > the > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if > > I > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. > > > > However > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more > > than > > > > 15 > > > > > > > > degrees > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh > > > > together in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when > > any > > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at > > certain > > > > > > > > degrees, > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" > > motion > > > > and > > > > > > rahu, > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the > > distance > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > surya and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the > > > > Budh is > > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In > > this > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic > > > > principle > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in > > > > your > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a > > > > chart > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one > > > > awfully > > > > > > > > overrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's > > > > population > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- ---- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > > 268.14.6/536 - > > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------- ---- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------- ---- > > ---- > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > Release > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- ---- > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - Release > > > > Date: > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Dear Bhaskar Ji: "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already into teaching College students." Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has contributed much to this group and to many in this group individually. While I am not trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else, I would request you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone else. We do not meet most members of this forum in person, that should make us doubly kind towards various contributors. My 2cents. Regards Shankar , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > Chandrasekharji said- > // > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have > the > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question > asked > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to > fulfill > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the > question.// > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the luxury > of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to cast a > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House division, > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the Degrees > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC calculation > of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a mathematical > Query. > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of time, > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really feel > sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all. > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom > I learnt 20 years back. > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna > being in > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of > rasis in > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when > it > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship > will > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if > you > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each > bhava in > > each rasi?// > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a small > example to make your question logical to understand.But if you > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the Lord of > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas fall in > the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the signs. > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each Bhava in > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and whether You > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or whatever. > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of > Bhava > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as > according > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart. > > // > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a small > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart. Why are > the software companies since last 30 years existence in India, have > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ? They > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand and > talk about general > character of a person, in the same way only generalisations can be > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the Chalit > Chart, no doubt about it. > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request all > those indulging in this to please do their homework and have their > basics right before putting up questions. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > -- In , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have > the > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question > asked > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to > fulfill > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the > question. > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna being > in > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of > rasis in > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when > it > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship > will > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if > you > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each > bhava in > > each rasi? > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of Bhava > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as > according > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the > astrologers > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do not know > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30 years > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do not > know, > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a good > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher. > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few weeks > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about it of > > > course, and thats why we know about it. > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the use of > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships > assigned > > > to which Bhava can never come up. > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ---- > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or Placidus, > from > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not > matter, > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would like > you > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as possible, as > I > > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic astrology, > > > having > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of > view. > > > As > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you should > > > stick to > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the > > > lagna is > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be highly > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of my > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a place > where > > > I > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life. > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, especially > the > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not find > > > anywhere, > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, and > from > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out. > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and > review, > > > may > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach > suggested. So > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and then > > > using > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many > > > questions > > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical > > > statement > > > > > about > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have > not yet > > > > > found > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to find > out if > > > > > Pancha > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when > the > > > > > graha are > > > > > > in bhava Madhya. > > > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment. > I was > > > > > only > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your > goodself. > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause > Sanskrit > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This is > > > neither > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the > > > modern > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is > > > > > > > implied, in simple words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I > would > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of > > > > > > > authentic birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of > charts > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family > members, > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not > > > > > fructifying. > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas, > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in > real > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a > incident > > > has > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not > happened. > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons > logically, > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for > > > > > > > the answers as to the why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays > > > charts. > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see whether > the > > > > > person > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or > not. > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha > or > > > not, > > > > > and > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in > many > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of > astrology, to > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about the > > > > > importance > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small > > > town too > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know > and ask > > > > > him. > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly > with > > > the > > > > > natal > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required > intuition > > > > > power. > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal > > > chart, > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and > so > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We > > > shall > > > > > > > leave, to each his own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in > fact > > > > > > > fructify in > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in > isolation > > > in > > > > > > > majority > > > > > > > > of cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new > that > > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it > is the > > > > > > > creation of > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 > or 3 > > > > > books > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even > calculators > > > were > > > > > not > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any > > > classic > > > > > of > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you > call > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make > people > > > > > Kings or > > > > > > > army > > > > > > > > generals etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with > Bhava > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha > > > > > Kundli,or a > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from > outside, > > > but > > > > > inside > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how > do > > > we > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of > peoples > > > > > charts > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from > the > > > Bhava > > > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for > they > > > have > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or > visiting > > > few > > > > > > > websites. > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal > in > > > > > English). > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple > reason > > > that > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions. > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you > quote > > > the > > > > > > > classics, > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become > secondary > > > > > and do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the > term, > > > but > > > > > just > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all. > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand . > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many > planets to > > > > > make a > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas, > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ? > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means > > > combinations in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart, > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied. > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road > would > > > have a > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should > do > > > with > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail > > > that a > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains > in > > > the > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit > then it > > > will > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly > with > > > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on > Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is > not a > > > > > part of > > > > > > > > > Arsha > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the > fact > > > > > that in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an > > > astrologer > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible > > > results > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find > out > > > > > whether > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or > > > negative > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and > Venus in > > > > > Aries, > > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, > say, > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of > Chandraadhi > > > yoga > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi, > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to > be > > > so > > > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause > when we > > > see > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Spashta > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may > go > > > to > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may > go in > > > > > > > succeedent, > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in > giving the > > > > > > > apparent > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general > and > > > not > > > > > > > > > addressed to > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my > mail > > > went > > > > > in > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think > so. > > > Please > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual > > > sevenths as > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 > degrees if > > > I > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common > yoga. > > > > > However > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be > more > > > than > > > > > 15 > > > > > > > > > degrees > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh > > > > > together in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs > when > > > any > > > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at > > > certain > > > > > > > > > degrees, > > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" > > > motion > > > > > and > > > > > > > rahu, > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the > > > distance > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, > the > > > > > Budh is > > > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. > In > > > this > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some > basic > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya > yoga in > > > > > your > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me > have a > > > > > chart > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is > one > > > > > awfully > > > > > > > > > overrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's > > > > > population > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > > > 268.14.6/536 - > > > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > > Release > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- > ---- > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > Release > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 it pained me a lot too. yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in age but knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these discussions. having read much of the shastras in original samskrit, has also willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members on this group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing any negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast knowledge. i think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as is evident from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare indeed to find men of substance who keep their cool despite the vast knowledge they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish and deals with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of groups, schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and not the student or querist's background. he certainly deserves respect from us all. mahalakshmi shankarremote <shankarremote > wrote: Dear Bhaskar Ji: "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already into teaching College students." Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has contributed much to this group and to many in this group individually. While I am not trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else, I would request you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone else. We do not meet most members of this forum in person, that should make us doubly kind towards various contributors. My 2cents. Regards Shankar , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > Chandrasekharji said- > // > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have > the > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question > asked > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to > fulfill > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the > question.// > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the luxury > of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to cast a > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House division, > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the Degrees > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC calculation > of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a mathematical > Query. > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of time, > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really feel > sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all. > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom > I learnt 20 years back. > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna > being in > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of > rasis in > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when > it > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship > will > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if > you > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each > bhava in > > each rasi?// > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a small > example to make your question logical to understand.But if you > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the Lord of > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas fall in > the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the signs. > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each Bhava in > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and whether You > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or whatever. > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of > Bhava > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as > according > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart. > > // > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a small > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart. Why are > the software companies since last 30 years existence in India, have > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ? They > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand and > talk about general > character of a person, in the same way only generalisations can be > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the Chalit > Chart, no doubt about it. > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request all > those indulging in this to please do their homework and have their > basics right before putting up questions. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > -- In , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have > the > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question > asked > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to > fulfill > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the > question. > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna being > in > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of > rasis in > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when > it > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship > will > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if > you > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each > bhava in > > each rasi? > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of Bhava > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as > according > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the > astrologers > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do not know > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30 years > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do not > know, > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a good > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher. > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few weeks > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about it of > > > course, and thats why we know about it. > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the use of > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships > assigned > > > to which Bhava can never come up. > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ---- > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or Placidus, > from > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not > matter, > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would like > you > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as possible, as > I > > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic astrology, > > > having > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of > view. > > > As > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you should > > > stick to > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the > > > lagna is > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be highly > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of my > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a place > where > > > I > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life. > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, especially > the > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not find > > > anywhere, > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, and > from > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out. > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and > review, > > > may > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach > suggested. So > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and then > > > using > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many > > > questions > > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical > > > statement > > > > > about > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have > not yet > > > > > found > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to find > out if > > > > > Pancha > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when > the > > > > > graha are > > > > > > in bhava Madhya. > > > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment. > I was > > > > > only > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your > goodself. > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause > Sanskrit > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This is > > > neither > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the > > > modern > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is > > > > > > > implied, in simple words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I > would > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of > > > > > > > authentic birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of > charts > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family > members, > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not > > > > > fructifying. > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas, > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in > real > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a > incident > > > has > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not > happened. > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons > logically, > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for > > > > > > > the answers as to the why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays > > > charts. > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see whether > the > > > > > person > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or > not. > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha > or > > > not, > > > > > and > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in > many > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of > astrology, to > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about the > > > > > importance > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small > > > town too > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know > and ask > > > > > him. > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly > with > > > the > > > > > natal > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required > intuition > > > > > power. > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal > > > chart, > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and > so > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We > > > shall > > > > > > > leave, to each his own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in > fact > > > > > > > fructify in > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in > isolation > > > in > > > > > > > majority > > > > > > > > of cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new > that > > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it > is the > > > > > > > creation of > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 > or 3 > > > > > books > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even > calculators > > > were > > > > > not > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any > > > classic > > > > > of > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you > call > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make > people > > > > > Kings or > > > > > > > army > > > > > > > > generals etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with > Bhava > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha > > > > > Kundli,or a > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from > outside, > > > but > > > > > inside > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how > do > > > we > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of > peoples > > > > > charts > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from > the > > > Bhava > > > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for > they > > > have > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or > visiting > > > few > > > > > > > websites. > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal > in > > > > > English). > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple > reason > > > that > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions. > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you > quote > > > the > > > > > > > classics, > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become > secondary > > > > > and do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the > term, > > > but > > > > > just > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all. > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand . > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many > planets to > > > > > make a > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas, > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ? > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means > > > combinations in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart, > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied. > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road > would > > > have a > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should > do > > > with > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail > > > that a > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains > in > > > the > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit > then it > > > will > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly > with > > > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on > Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is > not a > > > > > part of > > > > > > > > > Arsha > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the > fact > > > > > that in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an > > > astrologer > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible > > > results > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find > out > > > > > whether > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or > > > negative > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and > Venus in > > > > > Aries, > > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, > say, > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of > Chandraadhi > > > yoga > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi, > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to > be > > > so > > > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause > when we > > > see > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Spashta > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may > go > > > to > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may > go in > > > > > > > succeedent, > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in > giving the > > > > > > > apparent > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general > and > > > not > > > > > > > > > addressed to > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my > mail > > > went > > > > > in > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think > so. > > > Please > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual > > > sevenths as > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 > degrees if > > > I > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common > yoga. > > > > > However > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be > more > > > than > > > > > 15 > > > > > > > > > degrees > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh > > > > > together in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs > when > > > any > > > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at > > > certain > > > > > > > > > degrees, > > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" > > > motion > > > > > and > > > > > > > rahu, > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the > > > distance > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, > the > > > > > Budh is > > > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. > In > > > this > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some > basic > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya > yoga in > > > > > your > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me > have a > > > > > chart > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is > one > > > > > awfully > > > > > > > > > overrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's > > > > > population > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > > > 268.14.6/536 - > > > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > > Release > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- > ---- > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > Release > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji, I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean that we show disrespect. But a point. And you should have watched the intent and not the content when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am sure it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to read the same in books available in the market or on websites, instead of You spending time on this Basic stuff. No human in the world knows all-total about astrology. I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able to crush me in many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it imply ? Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite universal that you know part of something and I know part of something, but none of us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-gulla about it. I request the members to watch the exchanges only as healthy astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange becomes personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you as responsible members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting fires and hurling brick bats only at one party without contributing or understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and crtiticse the players on the field playing cricket for India, but actually when one plays then he knows wjats going on. For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and if you also notice that is why all my mails have been detailed trying to explain certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does not take more than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person try to write long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know how to be diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions. When they talk they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the heart. Please include me in this category of unpolished, primitive and undiplomatic lot. regards, Bhaskar. , mahaluxmi iyer <astromahaluxmi wrote: > > it pained me a lot too. > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in age but knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these discussions. having read much of the shastras in original samskrit, has also willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members on this group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing any negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast knowledge. i think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as is evident from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare indeed to find men of substance who keep their cool despite the vast knowledge they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish and deals with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of groups, schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and not the student or querist's background. > > he certainly deserves respect from us all. > mahalakshmi > > > > shankarremote <shankarremote wrote: > Dear Bhaskar Ji: > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already > into teaching College students." > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has contributed much > to this group and to many in this group individually. While I am not > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else, I would request > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone else. > > We do not meet most members of this forum in person, that should make > us doubly kind towards various contributors. > > My 2cents. > > Regards > Shankar > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > Chandrasekharji said- > > // > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have > > the > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question > > asked > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to > > fulfill > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the > > question.// > > > > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the luxury > > of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to cast a > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House division, > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the Degrees > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how > > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC calculation > > of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the > > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a mathematical > > Query. > > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already > > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of time, > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really feel > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all. > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom > > I learnt 20 years back. > > > > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna > > being in > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of > > rasis in > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when > > it > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship > > will > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if > > you > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each > > bhava in > > > each rasi?// > > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a small > > example to make your question logical to understand.But if you > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the Lord of > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas fall in > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the signs. > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each Bhava in > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and whether You > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or whatever. > > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of > > Bhava > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as > > according > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart. > > > // > > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a small > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart. Why are > > the software companies since last 30 years existence in India, have > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ? They > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand and > > talk about general > > character of a person, in the same way only generalisations can be > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the Chalit > > Chart, no doubt about it. > > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request all > > those indulging in this to please do their homework and have their > > basics right before putting up questions. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not have > > the > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the question > > asked > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me to > > fulfill > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of the > > question. > > > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna being > > in > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of > > rasis in > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when > > it > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship > > will > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if > > you > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each > > bhava in > > > each rasi? > > > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of Bhava > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as > > according > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the > > astrologers > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do not know > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30 years > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do not > > know, > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a good > > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher. > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few weeks > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about it of > > > > course, and thats why we know about it. > > > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the use of > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships > > assigned > > > > to which Bhava can never come up. > > > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ---- > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or Placidus, > > from > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not > > matter, > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would like > > you > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as possible, as > > I > > > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic astrology, > > > > having > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of > > view. > > > > As > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you should > > > > stick to > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the > > > > lagna is > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be highly > > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of my > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a place > > where > > > > I > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life. > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, especially > > the > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not find > > > > anywhere, > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, and > > from > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out. > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and > > review, > > > > may > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach > > suggested. So > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and then > > > > using > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many > > > > questions > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical > > > > statement > > > > > > about > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I have > > not yet > > > > > > found > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to find > > out if > > > > > > Pancha > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even when > > the > > > > > > graha are > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to comment. > > I was > > > > > > only > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your > > goodself. > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general comment > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause > > Sanskrit > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This is > > > > neither > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to make the > > > > modern > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of what is > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, I > > would > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence of > > > > > > > > authentic birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds of > > charts > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family > > members, > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not > > > > > > fructifying. > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in Labhasthanas, > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results in > > real > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a > > incident > > > > has > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not > > happened. > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons > > logically, > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key for > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in todays > > > > charts. > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see whether > > the > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department or > > not. > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a Mahapurusha > > or > > > > not, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by calling him > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in plenty in > > many > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of > > astrology, to > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga fructify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about the > > > > > > importance > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a small > > > > town too > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to know > > and ask > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict perfectly > > with > > > > the > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required > > intuition > > > > > > power. > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the natal > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, and > > so > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching matters. We > > > > shall > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in > > fact > > > > > > > > fructify in > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in > > isolation > > > > in > > > > > > > > majority > > > > > > > > > of cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something new > > that > > > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume it > > is the > > > > > > > > creation of > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more than 2 > > or 3 > > > > > > books > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even > > calculators > > > > were > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote any > > > > classic > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as you > > call > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen all > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make > > people > > > > > > Kings or > > > > > > > > army > > > > > > > > > generals etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with > > Bhava > > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha > > > > > > Kundli,or a > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from > > outside, > > > > but > > > > > > inside > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how > > do > > > > we > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of > > peoples > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from > > the > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for > > they > > > > have > > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or > > visiting > > > > few > > > > > > > > websites. > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit (Cuspal > > in > > > > > > English). > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple > > reason > > > > that > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions. > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you > > quote > > > > the > > > > > > > > classics, > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become > > secondary > > > > > > and do > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the > > term, > > > > but > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all. > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand . > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many > > planets to > > > > > > make a > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas, > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ? > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means > > > > combinations in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart, > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied. > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road > > would > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should > > do > > > > with > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail > > > > that a > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains > > in > > > > the > > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit > > then it > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly > > with > > > > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on > > Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is > > not a > > > > > > part of > > > > > > > > > > Arsha > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the > > fact > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and an > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the possible > > > > results > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find > > out > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or > > > > negative > > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and > > Venus in > > > > > > Aries, > > > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, > > say, > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of > > Chandraadhi > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to > > be > > > > so > > > > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause > > when we > > > > see > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Spashta > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may > > go > > > > to > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may > > go in > > > > > > > > succeedent, > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in > > giving the > > > > > > > > apparent > > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40>, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general > > and > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > addressed to > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my > > mail > > > > went > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think > > so. > > > > Please > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual > > > > sevenths as > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 > > degrees if > > > > I > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common > > yoga. > > > > > > However > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should be > > more > > > > than > > > > > > 15 > > > > > > > > > > degrees > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh > > > > > > together in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha- adhithya" > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs > > when > > > > any > > > > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at > > > > certain > > > > > > > > > > degrees, > > > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" > > > > motion > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > rahu, > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the > > > > distance > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, > > the > > > > > > Budh is > > > > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. > > In > > > > this > > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some > > basic > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya > > yoga in > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me > > have a > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is > > one > > > > > > awfully > > > > > > > > > > overrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ---- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > > > > 268.14.6/536 - > > > > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- ---- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > > 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- ---- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > > > Release > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------- ---- > > ---- > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > Release > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- ---- > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - Release > > > > Date: > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, Is your 2nd lord in the 8th bhava in your chart, by any chance? Ramapriya On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji, > > I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate > member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know > that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of > all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri > Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will > find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but > my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my > respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean > that we show disrespect. But a point. > > And you should have watched the intent and not the content > when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am sure > it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to > give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the > benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to read the > same in books available in the market or on websites, instead > of You spending time on this Basic stuff. > > No human in the world knows all-total about astrology. > I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able to crush me in > many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it imply ? > Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite universal that > you know part of something and I know part of something, but none of > us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-gulla > about it. > > I request the members to watch the exchanges only as healthy > astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to > astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange becomes > personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you as responsible > members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting fires and > hurling brick bats only at one party without contributing or > understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to > sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and crtiticse > the players on the field playing cricket for India, but actually > when one plays then he knows wjats going on. > > For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and if you also > notice that is why all my mails have been detailed trying to explain > certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does not take more > than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person try to write > long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know how to be > diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions. When they talk > they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the heart. > Please include me in this category of unpolished, primitive and > undiplomatic lot. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > <%40>, > mahaluxmi iyer > <astromahaluxmi wrote: > > > > it pained me a lot too. > > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in age but > knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these discussions. > having read much of the shastras in original samskrit, has also > willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members on this > group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing any > negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast knowledge. i > think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as is evident > from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare indeed to > find men of substance who keep their cool despite the vast knowledge > they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish and deals > with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of groups, > schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and not the > student or querist's background. > > > > he certainly deserves respect from us all. > > mahalakshmi > > > > > > > > shankarremote <shankarremote wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar Ji: > > > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already > > into teaching College students." > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has contributed > much > > to this group and to many in this group individually. While I am not > > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else, I would > request > > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone else. > > > > We do not meet most members of this forum in person, that should > make > > us doubly kind towards various contributors. > > > > My 2cents. > > > > Regards > > Shankar > > <%40>, > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > Chandrasekharji said- > > > // > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not > have > > > the > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the > question > > > asked > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me > to > > > fulfill > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of > the > > > question.// > > > > > > > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the > luxury > > > of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to cast a > > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House division, > > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the Degrees > > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how > > > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC calculation > > > of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of > > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the > > > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the > > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a > > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a mathematical > > > Query. > > > > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already > > > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of time, > > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really > feel > > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially > > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all. > > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the > > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up > > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the > > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom > > > I learnt 20 years back. > > > > > > > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna > > > being in > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of > > > rasis in > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and > when > > > it > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord > ship > > > will > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, > if > > > you > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each > > > bhava in > > > > each rasi?// > > > > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a > small > > > example to make your question logical to understand.But if you > > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees > > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the Lord of > > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas > fall in > > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the > signs. > > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each Bhava > in > > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and whether You > > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or whatever. > > > > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of > > > Bhava > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as > > > according > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart. > > > > // > > > > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a > small > > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart. Why > are > > > the software companies since last 30 years existence in India, > have > > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ? > They > > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand > and > > > talk about general > > > character of a person, in the same way only generalisations can > be > > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will > > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the Chalit > > > Chart, no doubt about it. > > > > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request all > > > those indulging in this to please do their homework and have their > > > basics right before putting up questions. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In <%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not > have > > > the > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the > question > > > asked > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me > to > > > fulfill > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of > the > > > question. > > > > > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna > being > > > in > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of > > > rasis in > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and > when > > > it > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord > ship > > > will > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, > if > > > you > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each > > > bhava in > > > > each rasi? > > > > > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of > Bhava > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as > > > according > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > > > > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but > > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the > > > astrologers > > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do not > know > > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30 > years > > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do > not > > > know, > > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a > good > > > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher. > > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few > weeks > > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about > it of > > > > > course, and thats why we know about it. > > > > > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the > use of > > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships > > > assigned > > > > > to which Bhava can never come up. > > > > > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? ---- > > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or > Placidus, > > > from > > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not > > > matter, > > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would > like > > > you > > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as > possible, as > > > I > > > > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic > astrology, > > > > > having > > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of > > > view. > > > > > As > > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you > should > > > > > stick to > > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when > the > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be > highly > > > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of > my > > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a > place > > > where > > > > > I > > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life. > > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, > especially > > > the > > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not > find > > > > > anywhere, > > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya > > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha > > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, > and > > > from > > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out. > > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and > > > review, > > > > > may > > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach > > > suggested. So > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and > then > > > > > using > > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many > > > > > questions > > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical > > > > > statement > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I > have > > > not yet > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to > find > > > out if > > > > > > > Pancha > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even > when > > > the > > > > > > > graha are > > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to > comment. > > > I was > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your > > > goodself. > > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general > comment > > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause > > > Sanskrit > > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This > is > > > > > neither > > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to > make the > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of > what is > > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, > I > > > would > > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence > of > > > > > > > > > authentic birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds > of > > > charts > > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family > > > members, > > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not > > > > > > > fructifying. > > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in > Labhasthanas, > > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results > in > > > real > > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the > > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a > > > incident > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons > > > logically, > > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key > for > > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in > todays > > > > > charts. > > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see > whether > > > the > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department > or > > > not. > > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a > Mahapurusha > > > or > > > > > not, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by > calling him > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in > plenty in > > > many > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of > > > astrology, to > > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga > fructify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about > the > > > > > > > importance > > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a > small > > > > > town too > > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to > know > > > and ask > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict > perfectly > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required > > > intuition > > > > > > > power. > > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the > natal > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, > and > > > so > > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching > matters. We > > > > > shall > > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned > did in > > > fact > > > > > > > > > fructify in > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in > > > isolation > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > majority > > > > > > > > > > of cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something > new > > > that > > > > > I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume > it > > > is the > > > > > > > > > creation of > > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more > than 2 > > > or 3 > > > > > > > books > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even > > > calculators > > > > > were > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote > any > > > > > classic > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as > you > > > call > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen > all > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha > > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make > > > people > > > > > > > Kings or > > > > > > > > > army > > > > > > > > > > generals etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do > with > > > Bhava > > > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the > Khokha > > > > > > > Kundli,or a > > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from > > > outside, > > > > > but > > > > > > > inside > > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise > how > > > do > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of > > > peoples > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made > from > > > the > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, > for > > > they > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or > > > visiting > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > websites. > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit > (Cuspal > > > in > > > > > > > English). > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple > > > reason > > > > > that > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if > you > > > quote > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > classics, > > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become > > > secondary > > > > > > > and do > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of > the > > > term, > > > > > but > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all. > > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not > understand . > > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many > > > planets to > > > > > > > make a > > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi > Yogas, > > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ? > > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means > > > > > combinations in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart, > > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied. > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road > > > would > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer > should > > > do > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my > mail > > > > > that a > > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it > mantains > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit > > > then it > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this > strongly > > > with > > > > > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on > > > Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which > is > > > not a > > > > > > > part of > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha > > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with > the > > > fact > > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and > an > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the > possible > > > > > results > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to > find > > > out > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive > or > > > > > negative > > > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and > > > Venus in > > > > > > > Aries, > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also > in, > > > say, > > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of > > > Chandraadhi > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, > the > > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which > appear to > > > be > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause > > > when we > > > > > see > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Spashta > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet > may > > > go > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other > may > > > go in > > > > > > > > > succeedent, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in > > > giving the > > > > > > > > > apparent > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and > others > > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% > 40>, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in > general > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > addressed to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so > my > > > mail > > > > > went > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not > think > > > so. > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual > > > > > sevenths as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 > > > degrees if > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty > common > > > yoga. > > > > > > > However > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should > be > > > more > > > > > than > > > > > > > 15 > > > > > > > > > > > degrees > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k > <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and > budh > > > > > > > together in > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha- > adhithya" > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion > occurs > > > when > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from > behind at > > > > > certain > > > > > > > > > > > degrees, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust > in "retograde" > > > > > motion > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > rahu, > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the > surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which > the > > > > > distance > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume > here, > > > the > > > > > > > Budh is > > > > > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to > perform. > > > In > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some > > > basic > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the > budhaditya > > > yoga in > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let > me > > > have a > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya > is > > > one > > > > > > > awfully > > > > > > > > > > > overrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the > world's > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have > > > been > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming > message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > > > > > 268.14.6/536 - > > > > > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have > > > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > > > 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > > > Release > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- > ---- > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > Release > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Dear Rampriyaji, My 2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in the 11th in Gemini along with the Ascendant Lord which is the Sun. Are you trying to figure any losses due to speech or why the speech is at times rude or whether the 2nd lord is not in a right position to be in. If that is the case then there are other reasons for the same. Best wishes, Bhaskar. , "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Is your 2nd lord in the 8th bhava in your chart, by any chance? > > Ramapriya > > > On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji, > > > > I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate > > member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know > > that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of > > all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri > > Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will > > find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but > > my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my > > respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean > > that we show disrespect. But a point. > > > > And you should have watched the intent and not the content > > when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am sure > > it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to > > give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the > > benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to read the > > same in books available in the market or on websites, instead > > of You spending time on this Basic stuff. > > > > No human in the world knows all-total about astrology. > > I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able to crush me in > > many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it imply ? > > Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite universal that > > you know part of something and I know part of something, but none of > > us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-gulla > > about it. > > > > I request the members to watch the exchanges only as healthy > > astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to > > astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange becomes > > personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you as responsible > > members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting fires and > > hurling brick bats only at one party without contributing or > > understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to > > sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and crtiticse > > the players on the field playing cricket for India, but actually > > when one plays then he knows wjats going on. > > > > For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and if you also > > notice that is why all my mails have been detailed trying to explain > > certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does not take more > > than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person try to write > > long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know how to be > > diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions. When they talk > > they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the heart. > > Please include me in this category of unpolished, primitive and > > undiplomatic lot. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > <% 40>, > > mahaluxmi iyer > > <astromahaluxmi@> wrote: > > > > > > it pained me a lot too. > > > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in age but > > knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these discussions. > > having read much of the shastras in original samskrit, has also > > willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members on this > > group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing any > > negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast knowledge. i > > think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as is evident > > from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare indeed to > > find men of substance who keep their cool despite the vast knowledge > > they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish and deals > > with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of groups, > > schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and not the > > student or querist's background. > > > > > > he certainly deserves respect from us all. > > > mahalakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote: > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji: > > > > > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already > > > into teaching College students." > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has contributed > > much > > > to this group and to many in this group individually. While I am not > > > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else, I would > > request > > > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone else. > > > > > > We do not meet most members of this forum in person, that should > > make > > > us doubly kind towards various contributors. > > > > > > My 2cents. > > > > > > Regards > > > Shankar > > > <% 40>, > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > Chandrasekharji said- > > > > // > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not > > have > > > > the > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the > > question > > > > asked > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me > > to > > > > fulfill > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of > > the > > > > question.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the > > luxury > > > > of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to cast a > > > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House division, > > > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the Degrees > > > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how > > > > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC calculation > > > > of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of > > > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the > > > > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the > > > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a > > > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a mathematical > > > > Query. > > > > > > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already > > > > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of time, > > > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really > > feel > > > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially > > > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all. > > > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the > > > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up > > > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the > > > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom > > > > I learnt 20 years back. > > > > > > > > > > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna > > > > being in > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of > > > > rasis in > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and > > when > > > > it > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord > > ship > > > > will > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, > > if > > > > you > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each > > > > bhava in > > > > > each rasi?// > > > > > > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a > > small > > > > example to make your question logical to understand.But if you > > > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees > > > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the Lord of > > > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas > > fall in > > > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the > > signs. > > > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each Bhava > > in > > > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and whether You > > > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or whatever. > > > > > > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of > > > > Bhava > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as > > > > according > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart. > > > > > // > > > > > > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a > > small > > > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart. Why > > are > > > > the software companies since last 30 years existence in India, > > have > > > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ? > > They > > > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand > > and > > > > talk about general > > > > character of a person, in the same way only generalisations can > > be > > > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will > > > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the Chalit > > > > Chart, no doubt about it. > > > > > > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request all > > > > those indulging in this to please do their homework and have their > > > > basics right before putting up questions. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In <% 40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not > > have > > > > the > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the > > question > > > > asked > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me > > to > > > > fulfill > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of > > the > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna > > being > > > > in > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of > > > > rasis in > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and > > when > > > > it > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord > > ship > > > > will > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, > > if > > > > you > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each > > > > bhava in > > > > > each rasi? > > > > > > > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of > > Bhava > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as > > > > according > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but > > > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the > > > > astrologers > > > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do not > > know > > > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30 > > years > > > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do > > not > > > > know, > > > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a > > good > > > > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher. > > > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few > > weeks > > > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about > > it of > > > > > > course, and thats why we know about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the > > use of > > > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships > > > > assigned > > > > > > to which Bhava can never come up. > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? - --- > > > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or > > Placidus, > > > > from > > > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not > > > > matter, > > > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would > > like > > > > you > > > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as > > possible, as > > > > I > > > > > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic > > astrology, > > > > > > having > > > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of > > > > view. > > > > > > As > > > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you > > should > > > > > > stick to > > > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when > > the > > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be > > highly > > > > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of > > my > > > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a > > place > > > > where > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life. > > > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, > > especially > > > > the > > > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not > > find > > > > > > anywhere, > > > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya > > > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha > > > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, > > and > > > > from > > > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out. > > > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and > > > > review, > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach > > > > suggested. So > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and > > then > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many > > > > > > questions > > > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical > > > > > > statement > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I > > have > > > > not yet > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to > > find > > > > out if > > > > > > > > Pancha > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even > > when > > > > the > > > > > > > > graha are > > > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to > > comment. > > > > I was > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your > > > > goodself. > > > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general > > comment > > > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause > > > > Sanskrit > > > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This > > is > > > > > > neither > > > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to > > make the > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of > > what is > > > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, > > I > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence > > of > > > > > > > > > > authentic birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds > > of > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not > > > > > > > > fructifying. > > > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in > > Labhasthanas, > > > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results > > in > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the > > > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a > > > > incident > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons > > > > logically, > > > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key > > for > > > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in > > todays > > > > > > charts. > > > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see > > whether > > > > the > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department > > or > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a > > Mahapurusha > > > > or > > > > > > not, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by > > calling him > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in > > plenty in > > > > many > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of > > > > astrology, to > > > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga > > fructify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about > > the > > > > > > > > importance > > > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a > > small > > > > > > town too > > > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to > > know > > > > and ask > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict > > perfectly > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required > > > > intuition > > > > > > > > power. > > > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the > > natal > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, > > and > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching > > matters. We > > > > > > shall > > > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned > > did in > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > > fructify in > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in > > > > isolation > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > majority > > > > > > > > > > > of cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something > > new > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume > > it > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > creation of > > > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more > > than 2 > > > > or 3 > > > > > > > > books > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even > > > > calculators > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote > > any > > > > > > classic > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as > > you > > > > call > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen > > all > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha > > > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make > > > > people > > > > > > > > Kings or > > > > > > > > > > army > > > > > > > > > > > generals etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do > > with > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the > > Khokha > > > > > > > > Kundli,or a > > > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from > > > > outside, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > inside > > > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise > > how > > > > do > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of > > > > peoples > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made > > from > > > > the > > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, > > for > > > > they > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or > > > > visiting > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > websites. > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit > > (Cuspal > > > > in > > > > > > > > English). > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple > > > > reason > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if > > you > > > > quote > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > classics, > > > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become > > > > secondary > > > > > > > > and do > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of > > the > > > > term, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all. > > > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not > > understand . > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many > > > > planets to > > > > > > > > make a > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi > > Yogas, > > > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ? > > > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means > > > > > > combinations in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied. > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road > > > > would > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer > > should > > > > do > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my > > mail > > > > > > that a > > > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it > > mantains > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit > > > > then it > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this > > strongly > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on > > > > Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which > > is > > > > not a > > > > > > > > part of > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with > > the > > > > fact > > > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and > > an > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the > > possible > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to > > find > > > > out > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive > > or > > > > > > negative > > > > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and > > > > Venus in > > > > > > > > Aries, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also > > in, > > > > say, > > > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of > > > > Chandraadhi > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, > > the > > > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which > > appear to > > > > be > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause > > > > when we > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Spashta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet > > may > > > > go > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other > > may > > > > go in > > > > > > > > > > succeedent, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in > > > > giving the > > > > > > > > > > apparent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and > > others > > > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% > > 40>, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in > > general > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so > > my > > > > mail > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not > > think > > > > so. > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual > > > > > > sevenths as > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 > > > > degrees if > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40>, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty > > common > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > However > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should > > be > > > > more > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > 15 > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k > > <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k% 40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and > > budh > > > > > > > > together in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha- > > adhithya" > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion > > occurs > > > > when > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from > > behind at > > > > > > certain > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust > > in "retograde" > > > > > > motion > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > rahu, > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the > > surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which > > the > > > > > > distance > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume > > here, > > > > the > > > > > > > > Budh is > > > > > > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to > > perform. > > > > In > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some > > > > basic > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the > > budhaditya > > > > yoga in > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let > > me > > > > have a > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya > > is > > > > one > > > > > > > > awfully > > > > > > > > > > > > overrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the > > world's > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > have > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- ---- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming > > message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > > > > > > 268.14.6/536 - > > > > > > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > have > > > > been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ---- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > > > > 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- ---- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- ---- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------- ---- > > ---- > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > Release > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- ---- > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > Release > > > > Date: > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Dear Rampriya Ji When 2nd lord is in 8th then person does not talk much. Dear Bhaskar Ji, you must be a millionare ? Best Wishes jagdish Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Rampriyaji, My 2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in the 11th in Gemini along with the Ascendant Lord which is the Sun. Are you trying to figure any losses due to speech or why the speech is at times rude or whether the 2nd lord is not in a right position to be in. If that is the case then there are other reasons for the same. Best wishes, Bhaskar. , "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Is your 2nd lord in the 8th bhava in your chart, by any chance? > > Ramapriya > > > On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji, > > > > I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate > > member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know > > that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of > > all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri > > Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will > > find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but > > my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my > > respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean > > that we show disrespect. But a point. > > > > And you should have watched the intent and not the content > > when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am sure > > it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to > > give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the > > benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to read the > > same in books available in the market or on websites, instead > > of You spending time on this Basic stuff. > > > > No human in the world knows all-total about astrology. > > I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able to crush me in > > many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it imply ? > > Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite universal that > > you know part of something and I know part of something, but none of > > us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-gulla > > about it. > > > > I request the members to watch the exchanges only as healthy > > astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to > > astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange becomes > > personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you as responsible > > members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting fires and > > hurling brick bats only at one party without contributing or > > understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to > > sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and crtiticse > > the players on the field playing cricket for India, but actually > > when one plays then he knows wjats going on. > > > > For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and if you also > > notice that is why all my mails have been detailed trying to explain > > certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does not take more > > than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person try to write > > long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know how to be > > diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions. When they talk > > they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the heart. > > Please include me in this category of unpolished, primitive and > > undiplomatic lot. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > <% 40>, > > mahaluxmi iyer > > <astromahaluxmi@> wrote: > > > > > > it pained me a lot too. > > > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in age but > > knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these discussions. > > having read much of the shastras in original samskrit, has also > > willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members on this > > group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing any > > negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast knowledge. i > > think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as is evident > > from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare indeed to > > find men of substance who keep their cool despite the vast knowledge > > they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish and deals > > with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of groups, > > schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and not the > > student or querist's background. > > > > > > he certainly deserves respect from us all. > > > mahalakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote: > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji: > > > > > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already > > > into teaching College students." > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has contributed > > much > > > to this group and to many in this group individually. While I am not > > > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else, I would > > request > > > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone else. > > > > > > We do not meet most members of this forum in person, that should > > make > > > us doubly kind towards various contributors. > > > > > > My 2cents. > > > > > > Regards > > > Shankar > > > <% 40>, > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > Chandrasekharji said- > > > > // > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not > > have > > > > the > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the > > question > > > > asked > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me > > to > > > > fulfill > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of > > the > > > > question.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the > > luxury > > > > of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to cast a > > > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House division, > > > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the Degrees > > > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how > > > > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC calculation > > > > of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of > > > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the > > > > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the > > > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a > > > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a mathematical > > > > Query. > > > > > > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am already > > > > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of time, > > > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really > > feel > > > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially > > > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all. > > > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the > > > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up > > > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the > > > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom > > > > I learnt 20 years back. > > > > > > > > > > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna > > > > being in > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of > > > > rasis in > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and > > when > > > > it > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord > > ship > > > > will > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, > > if > > > > you > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each > > > > bhava in > > > > > each rasi?// > > > > > > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a > > small > > > > example to make your question logical to understand.But if you > > > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees > > > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the Lord of > > > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas > > fall in > > > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the > > signs. > > > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each Bhava > > in > > > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and whether You > > > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or whatever. > > > > > > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of > > > > Bhava > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as > > > > according > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart. > > > > > // > > > > > > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a > > small > > > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart. Why > > are > > > > the software companies since last 30 years existence in India, > > have > > > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ? > > They > > > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand > > and > > > > talk about general > > > > character of a person, in the same way only generalisations can > > be > > > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will > > > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the Chalit > > > > Chart, no doubt about it. > > > > > > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request all > > > > those indulging in this to please do their homework and have their > > > > basics right before putting up questions. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In <% 40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did not > > have > > > > the > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the > > question > > > > asked > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow me > > to > > > > fulfill > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part of > > the > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about Lagna > > being > > > > in > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition of > > > > rasis in > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and > > when > > > > it > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord > > ship > > > > will > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, > > if > > > > you > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of each > > > > bhava in > > > > > each rasi? > > > > > > > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of > > Bhava > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself as > > > > according > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit chart. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, but > > > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the > > > > astrologers > > > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do not > > know > > > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30 > > years > > > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do > > not > > > > know, > > > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go to a > > good > > > > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified teacher. > > > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently few > > weeks > > > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew about > > it of > > > > > > course, and thats why we know about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without the > > use of > > > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships > > > > assigned > > > > > > to which Bhava can never come up. > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? - --- > > > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or > > Placidus, > > > > from > > > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does not > > > > matter, > > > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I would > > like > > > > you > > > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as > > possible, as > > > > I > > > > > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic > > astrology, > > > > > > having > > > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your point of > > > > view. > > > > > > As > > > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you > > should > > > > > > stick to > > > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when > > the > > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would be > > highly > > > > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person of > > my > > > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a > > place > > > > where > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life. > > > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, > > especially > > > > the > > > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not > > find > > > > > > anywhere, > > > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya > > > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha > > > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the World, > > and > > > > from > > > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out. > > > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen and > > > > review, > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach > > > > suggested. So > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit and > > then > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd many > > > > > > questions > > > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a categorical > > > > > > statement > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I > > have > > > > not yet > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to > > find > > > > out if > > > > > > > > Pancha > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, even > > when > > > > the > > > > > > > > graha are > > > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to > > comment. > > > > I was > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your > > > > goodself. > > > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general > > comment > > > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, cause > > > > Sanskrit > > > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language. This > > is > > > > > > neither > > > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to > > make the > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of > > what is > > > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army generals, > > I > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the absence > > of > > > > > > > > > > authentic birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see hundreds > > of > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and family > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but actually not > > > > > > > > fructifying. > > > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in > > Labhasthanas, > > > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired results > > in > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the > > > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a > > > > incident > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has not > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for reasons > > > > logically, > > > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the key > > for > > > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in > > todays > > > > > > charts. > > > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see > > whether > > > > the > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain department > > or > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a > > Mahapurusha > > > > or > > > > > > not, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by > > calling him > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in > > plenty in > > > > many > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of > > > > astrology, to > > > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga > > fructify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know about > > the > > > > > > > > importance > > > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in a > > small > > > > > > town too > > > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to > > know > > > > and ask > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict > > perfectly > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the required > > > > intuition > > > > > > > > power. > > > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from the > > natal > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to person, > > and > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching > > matters. We > > > > > > shall > > > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned > > did in > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > > fructify in > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in > > > > isolation > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > majority > > > > > > > > > > > of cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is something > > new > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I assume > > it > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > creation of > > > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more > > than 2 > > > > or 3 > > > > > > > > books > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even > > > > calculators > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you quote > > any > > > > > > classic > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, as > > you > > > > call > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by rishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have seen > > all > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha > > > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and make > > > > people > > > > > > > > Kings or > > > > > > > > > > army > > > > > > > > > > > generals etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do > > with > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the > > Khokha > > > > > > > > Kundli,or a > > > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from > > > > outside, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > inside > > > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise > > how > > > > do > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of > > > > peoples > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made > > from > > > > the > > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, > > for > > > > they > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or > > > > visiting > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > websites. > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit > > (Cuspal > > > > in > > > > > > > > English). > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple > > > > reason > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if > > you > > > > quote > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > classics, > > > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned become > > > > secondary > > > > > > > > and do > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of > > the > > > > term, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all. > > > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not > > understand . > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many > > > > planets to > > > > > > > > make a > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi > > Yogas, > > > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this case ? > > > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means > > > > > > combinations in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied. > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the road > > > > would > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer > > should > > > > do > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my > > mail > > > > > > that a > > > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it > > mantains > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit > > > > then it > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this > > strongly > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion on > > > > Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which > > is > > > > not a > > > > > > > > part of > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do with > > the > > > > fact > > > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas and > > an > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the > > possible > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to > > find > > > > out > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive > > or > > > > > > negative > > > > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and > > > > Venus in > > > > > > > > Aries, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also > > in, > > > > say, > > > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of > > > > Chandraadhi > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, > > the > > > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which > > appear to > > > > be > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause > > > > when we > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Spashta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet > > may > > > > go > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other > > may > > > > go in > > > > > > > > > > succeedent, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in > > > > giving the > > > > > > > > > > apparent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and > > others > > > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% > > 40>, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in > > general > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there so > > my > > > > mail > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not > > think > > > > so. > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual > > > > > > sevenths as > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 > > > > degrees if > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40>, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty > > common > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > However > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance should > > be > > > > more > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > 15 > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k > > <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k% 40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and > > budh > > > > > > > > together in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha- > > adhithya" > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion > > occurs > > > > when > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from > > behind at > > > > > > certain > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust > > in "retograde" > > > > > > motion > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > rahu, > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the > > surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which > > the > > > > > > distance > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume > > here, > > > > the > > > > > > > > Budh is > > > > > > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to > > perform. > > > > In > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some > > > > basic > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the > > budhaditya > > > > yoga in > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let > > me > > > > have a > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya > > is > > > > one > > > > > > > > awfully > > > > > > > > > > > > overrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the > > world's > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > have > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- ---- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming > > message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > > > > > > 268.14.6/536 - > > > > > > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > have > > > > been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ---- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > > > > 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- ---- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- ---- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------- ---- > > ---- > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > Release > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- ---- > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > Release > > > > Date: > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Dear Jagdishji, Hello. After a long time. Nice to see You active. I never knew You were on this Forum. Well You may call me millionare,or a billionare too by inheritance, but nothing in hands. Otherwise living a middle class comfortable life. But if You remember me well then You know I am a king with a Kingdom and without one too. Does not matter. Take care, Bhaskar. , Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote: > > Dear Rampriya Ji > > When 2nd lord is in 8th then person does not talk much. > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, you must be a millionare ? > > Best Wishes > > jagdish > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Rampriyaji, > > My 2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in the 11th in Gemini along > with the Ascendant Lord which is the Sun. > Are you trying to figure any losses due to speech or why > the speech is at times rude or whether the 2nd lord is not > in a right position to be in. If that is the case then there > are other reasons for the same. > > Best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > , "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > Is your 2nd lord in the 8th bhava in your chart, by any chance? > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > On 11/27/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shankarji and Mahalakshmiji, > > > > > > I genuinely appreciate your affections for a associate > > > member Shri Chandrasekharji, and wish you to know > > > that I genuinely never meant to hurt anyone,least of > > > all a polite and gentle member I believe who is Shri > > > Chandrasekharji. If you go through my posts You will > > > find that though i was always addressed as Bhaskar, but > > > my addrees was always as Chandrasekharji, which shows my > > > respect, though even if we do not add ji, does not mean > > > that we show disrespect. But a point. > > > > > > And you should have watched the intent and not the content > > > when I mentioned about first standard syllabus. I am sure > > > it would be a boring thing for you if you were asked to > > > give a write-up on 9 Planets and what they mean, for the > > > benefit of one member.You would surely suggest Him to read the > > > same in books available in the market or on websites, instead > > > of You spending time on this Basic stuff. > > > > > > No human in the world knows all-total about astrology. > > > I am also sure that Shri Chandrasekharji would be able to crush > me in > > > many issues in astrology in argument. So what does it imply ? > > > Anything ? No nothing . Only something that its quite universal > that > > > you know part of something and I know part of something, but none > of > > > us knows the whole except God. So lets not make a hulla-gulla > > > about it. > > > > > > I request the members to watch the exchanges only as healthy > > > astrogical exchanges or critical exchanges related to > > > astrology and not as personal. Ifat times the exchange becomes > > > personal due to heat or flaring up of any member, you as > responsible > > > members have to get the peace done, instead of igniting fires and > > > hurling brick bats only at one party without contributing or > > > understanding what the matter is all about. Its easy to > > > sit in the bedroom with a Mug of coffee in the hand and crtiticse > > > the players on the field playing cricket for India, but actually > > > when one plays then he knows wjats going on. > > > > > > For me I respect Shri Chandrasekharji as a person and if you also > > > notice that is why all my mails have been detailed trying to > explain > > > certain matters, and if I wanted to be rude, it does not take more > > > than 2-3 lines to do it, does it ? Why should a person try to > write > > > long mails for doing just that? Some people do not know how to be > > > diplomatic or polished in todays world of pretensions. When they > talk > > > they saound rude, though they do not mean so from the heart. > > > Please include me in this category of unpolished, primitive and > > > undiplomatic lot. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <% > 40>, > > > mahaluxmi iyer > > > <astromahaluxmi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > it pained me a lot too. > > > > yes. chandrashekharji is a senior member not only in age but > > > knwoledge-wise too. one who contributes a lot to these > discussions. > > > having read much of the shastras in original samskrit, has also > > > willingly shared many gems of explanataions with members on this > > > group. is humble and answers all queries without allowing any > > > negativity to creep in nor does he show off his vast knowledge. i > > > think it is very difficult to provoke this great man as is evident > > > from the gentle to-the-point replies he makes. it is rare indeed > to > > > find men of substance who keep their cool despite the vast > knowledge > > > they have amassed. also i have noticed he is not clannish and > deals > > > with any querry from anyone cutting across barriers of groups, > > > schools of thoughts, etc. where knowledge is the key and not the > > > student or querist's background. > > > > > > > > he certainly deserves respect from us all. > > > > mahalakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shankarremote <shankarremote@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji: > > > > > > > > "Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am > already > > > > into teaching College students." > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji is a learned senior member who has contributed > > > much > > > > to this group and to many in this group individually. While I > am not > > > > trying to alter your opinion about him or anyone else, I would > > > request > > > > you to tone down your rudeness towards him or anyone else. > > > > > > > > We do not meet most members of this forum in person, that should > > > make > > > > us doubly kind towards various contributors. > > > > > > > > My 2cents. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Shankar > > > > <% > 40>, > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > Chandrasekharji said- > > > > > // > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did > not > > > have > > > > > the > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the > > > question > > > > > asked > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow > me > > > to > > > > > fulfill > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part > of > > > the > > > > > question.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its good that You are froma generation which did not have the > > > luxury > > > > > of calculators, because every astrologer should know how to > cast a > > > > > chart manually. He should know the use of Equal House > division, > > > > > Shri pathi and Placcidus. Should be able to calculate the > Degrees > > > > > for the Cusp with the use of Table of Houses. Should know how > > > > > much and where the difference will come even if RAMC > calculation > > > > > of one difference is there.He should also know the meaning of > > > > > Intercepted signs. Apart from this he should be aware of the > > > > > developments and improvisations done by the stalwarts in the > > > > > field of astrlogy in his country ,specially if india. If a > > > > > astrologer does all this ,then theres no need for a > mathematical > > > > > Query. > > > > > > > > > > Sir I am not evading your Question, but just not able to teach > > > > > syllabus pertaining to Standard first of school, when I am > already > > > > > into teaching College students. Its a precious wasteage of > time, > > > > > having to explain such prelimnaries. Apart from that i really > > > feel > > > > > sad that anyone after spending so many years and especially > > > > > from a orthodox origin ,should be asking this question at all. > > > > > This shows lack of reading and discussing and meeting the > > > > > elevated ones of your field. From Your era You may pick up > > > > > any book of Pandit Ramkumar Ojha where you will find the > > > > > discussion of Bhava Chalit and also examples. Thats wherefrom > > > > > I learnt 20 years back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //> I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about > Lagna > > > > > being in > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition > of > > > > > rasis in > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries > and > > > when > > > > > it > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord > > > ship > > > > > will > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even > simpler, > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of > each > > > > > bhava in > > > > > > each rasi?// > > > > > > > > > > I still do not understand your question.I wish you had put a > > > small > > > > > example to make your question logical to understand.But if you > > > > > mean Lordship, then whether early or late degrees > > > > > Whichever sign is at the starting of the Bhava/Cusp,, the > Lord of > > > > > the sign would have the Lordship of that Bhava. If two Bhavas > > > fall in > > > > > the same sign then the lord would remain common for both the > > > signs. > > > > > How can one give you beginning and ending degrees of each > Bhava > > > in > > > > > Rashi ? Would not that vary from person to person, and > whether You > > > > > take midpoint as starting point or Equal house system or > whatever. > > > > > > > > > > //> As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit > of > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself > as > > > > > according > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit > chart. > > > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > Sir, not just according to me, but even any local pandit in a > > > small > > > > > town will tell the importance of the Bhava Chalit in a Chart. > Why > > > are > > > > > the software companies since last 30 years existence in India, > > > have > > > > > The Bhava Chalit on the 2nd or 3rd page of the printed chart ? > > > They > > > > > are not averse to the importance. yes just like you see a hand > > > and > > > > > talk about general > > > > > character of a person, in the same way only generalisations > can > > > be > > > > > made by the Natal chart. To make real predictions which will > > > > > actually be felt by the native, You need the help of the > Chalit > > > > > Chart, no doubt about it. > > > > > > > > > > Sir all this discussion is a waste of precious time.I request > all > > > > > those indulging in this to please do their homework and have > their > > > > > basics right before putting up questions. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In <% > 40>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > For your kind information, I am from a generation who did > not > > > have > > > > > the > > > > > > luxury of calculators to cast charts. You are evading the > > > question > > > > > asked > > > > > > about which classic talks about Bhava chalit. Please allow > me > > > to > > > > > fulfill > > > > > > the potential you see in me by enlightening me on that part > of > > > the > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry if you did not understand what I asked about > Lagna > > > being > > > > > in > > > > > > early or late degrees. I would like to know your definition > of > > > > > rasis in > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries > and > > > when > > > > > it > > > > > > rises at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord > > > ship > > > > > will > > > > > > you give to say, Guru in both cases. To make it even > simpler, > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > like could you give me the beginning and ending degrees of > each > > > > > bhava in > > > > > > each rasi? > > > > > > > > > > > > As to how the astrologers can predict without the benefit of > > > Bhava > > > > > > chalit, yes that is a question that you should ask yourself > as > > > > > according > > > > > > to you predictions are not possible without bhava chalit > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is very prelimnary stuff which everyone should know, > but > > > > > > > unfortunately do not. I dont understand that most of the > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > working on these Forums how can they predict when they do > not > > > know > > > > > > > the meaning and purpose of the Bhava Chalit chart.Even 30 > > > years > > > > > > > back the astrologers knew about his, but the recent lot do > > > not > > > > > know, > > > > > > > neither, want to learn, neither have the aptitude to go > to a > > > good > > > > > > > class/school to study the same, through a qualified > teacher. > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit is not a new thing just discovered recently > few > > > weeks > > > > > > > back, but from time immemorial. The ancient sages knew > about > > > it of > > > > > > > course, and thats why we know about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a person learns how to make a chart manually without > the > > > use of > > > > > > > computer, and under a Guru,then this question of lordships > > > > > assigned > > > > > > > to which Bhava can never come up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lagna is at the beginning or end of a Rashi means ? - > --- > > > > > > > This would mean unequal house division, or Shripati or > > > Placidus, > > > > > from > > > > > > > wherever you can predict the best, which you chose does > not > > > > > matter, > > > > > > > only what You predict matters. Dear Chandresekharji I > would > > > like > > > > > you > > > > > > > specially to understand the Bhava Chalit as early as > > > possible, as > > > > > I > > > > > > > see some potential in you which should not be wasted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% > 40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the ancient sages were the best in Vedic > > > astrology, > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > created the shastra themselves. But I can see your > point of > > > > > view. > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > long as you can predict from the parameters chosen, you > > > should > > > > > > > stick to > > > > > > > > them. I only wonder how bhava lordships are allotted > when > > > the > > > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > > at the beginning or end of a rasi. Your thoughts would > be > > > highly > > > > > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir a categorical statement cannot come from a person > of > > > my > > > > > > > > > small stature.My definition of a good astrologer is a > > > place > > > > > where > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > may not be able to reach in this life. > > > > > > > > > Khoka Kundli- In Bombay this is well known among, > > > especially > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Gujarati scholar astrologers. But refrence you may not > > > find > > > > > > > anywhere, > > > > > > > > > except perhaps the Course Book of Bhartiya Vidya > > > > > Bhuvan ,Jyotisha > > > > > > > > > Bharati Division, which is among the best in the > World, > > > and > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > where ordinary students cannot just pass out. > > > > > > > > > Well I am open to anything new, in at least to listen > and > > > > > review, > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > not adopt it, but at least go through some approach > > > > > suggested. So > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji only after applying Bhava Chalit > and > > > then > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > Predictive astrology have I been able to understanbd > many > > > > > > > questions > > > > > > > > > which do not get answered by the common approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% > 40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I misunderstood you, that is because of a > categorical > > > > > > > statement > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > Rasi chakra being a Khoka chart being well known. I > > > have > > > > > not yet > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > any reference to that premise so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One could look at charts of people of this age to to > > > find > > > > > out if > > > > > > > > > Pancha > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has given the results promised, > even > > > when > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > graha are > > > > > > > > > > in bhava Madhya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to predictive ability of others I am nobody to > > > comment. > > > > > I was > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > replying to your specific query to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,second time I have been misunderstood by Your > > > > > goodself. > > > > > > > > > > > Reference to 2-3 books and websites was a general > > > comment > > > > > > > > > > > and of course not attributed to You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term "Khoka Kundli" is not a Sanskrit term, > cause > > > > > Sanskrit > > > > > > > > > > > does not understandably use such crude language. > This > > > is > > > > > > > neither > > > > > > > > > > > a modern day language, but Yes its a term used to > > > make the > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > day astrologer understand the meaning and depth of > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > implied, in simple words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient people who became Kings or Army > generals, > > > I > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > not venture to see their Birth charts, in the > absence > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > authentic birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we need not go so much back,we can see > hundreds > > > of > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > in our own circle of relatives and friends and > family > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > > > where we would find great many Yogas, but > actually not > > > > > > > > > fructifying. > > > > > > > > > > > We would find planets in exaltations and in > > > Labhasthanas, > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyogas, Dhana Yogas, but not giving desired > results > > > in > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > life . As experts in talking, most of the > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers can give a sound explanation for why a > > > > > incident > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > happened, after it has hapenned , or why it has > not > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > > But as scientific astrologers searching for > reasons > > > > > logically, > > > > > > > > > > > we do not have to go far. The Bhava Chalit is the > key > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > the answers as to the why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again I do not seek PanchaMahapurusha Yogas in > > > todays > > > > > > > charts. > > > > > > > > > > > I just check them or other good placements to see > > > whether > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > would lead a satisfying life in a certain > department > > > or > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > And never to check whether one would become a > > > Mahapurusha > > > > > or > > > > > > > not, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > neither make the person unnecessarily happy by > > > calling him > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha. Because such Yogas can be found in > > > plenty in > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > but real Yogas would be few, which is the art of > > > > > astrology, to > > > > > > > > > > > decipher in which natives chart would this Yoga > > > fructify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to search in classics to know > about > > > the > > > > > > > > > importance > > > > > > > > > > > of the Bhava chalit chart. Any good astrologer in > a > > > small > > > > > > > town too > > > > > > > > > > > can predict,only from this chart,if you happen to > > > know > > > > > and ask > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > It is justnot possible for anyone to predict > > > perfectly > > > > > with > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > > > chart or time the events, unless he has the > required > > > > > intuition > > > > > > > > > power. > > > > > > > > > > > Now most of the astrologers who are reading from > the > > > natal > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean in any way that its the right way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, opinions and comments can vary person to > person, > > > and > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > can personal preferences to way of approaching > > > matters. We > > > > > > > shall > > > > > > > > > > > leave, to each his own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% > 40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned > > > did in > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did > in > > > > > isolation > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > majority > > > > > > > > > > > > of cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal chart being called Khoka charts is > something > > > new > > > > > that > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > > > > > and as there is no such term in Sanskrit, I > assume > > > it > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > creation of > > > > > > > > > > > > the modern astrologers. I can not comment on > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about others, but I have read more > > > than 2 > > > > > or 3 > > > > > > > > > books > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > have not learnt my astrology from web as even > > > > > calculators > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > developed when I learnt astrology. Could you > quote > > > any > > > > > > > classic > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava Chalit, > as > > > you > > > > > call > > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha is the system given or practiced by > rishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to your opinion as you must have > seen > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas that held true in BC charts fructify and > make > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > Kings or > > > > > > > > > > > army > > > > > > > > > > > > generals etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do > > > with > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT the natal chart which is also known as the > > > Khokha > > > > > > > > > Kundli,or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from > > > > > outside, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > inside > > > > > > > > > > > > > may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. > Otherwise > > > how > > > > > do > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many good Yogas not fructifying in > millions of > > > > > peoples > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > only, which 99% of the astrologers do not > know, > > > for > > > > > they > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or > > > > > visiting > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > websites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit > > > (Cuspal > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > English). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does this chart exist at all ? For the > simple > > > > > reason > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the chart for making predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if > > > you > > > > > quote > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > classics, > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Bhava lords where they are positioned > become > > > > > secondary > > > > > > > > > and do > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of > > > the > > > > > term, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > gauge the strength, thats all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do we mean by Arsha system I do not > > > understand . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the example you gave need not have so many > > > > > planets to > > > > > > > > > make a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of > Chandradi > > > Yogas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and which one are you referring to in this > case ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means > > > > > > > combinations in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > whcih have to be seen and studied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise every second person walking on the > road > > > > > would > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer > > > should > > > > > do > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in > my > > > mail > > > > > > > that a > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular Yoga has to be checked whether it > > > mantains > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava > Chalit > > > > > then it > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this > > > strongly > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You for participating in the discussion > on > > > > > Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, > which > > > is > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > part of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system of astrology. The reason has to do > with > > > the > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are both negative and positive yogas > and > > > an > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to balance the two before arriving at the > > > possible > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the life of a jataka. One must also try > to > > > find > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord occupying those bhavas will give > positive > > > or > > > > > > > negative > > > > > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand operation of any yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio > and > > > > > Venus in > > > > > > > > > Aries, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun > also > > > in, > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of > > > > > Chandraadhi > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fructify in all its glory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time in my personal > experience, > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Suryadi,Chandradi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which > > > appear to > > > > > be > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chart, do not give the results shown, > cause > > > > > when we > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spashta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one > planet > > > may > > > > > go > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava ,for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance one may be left in Kendra and > other > > > may > > > > > go in > > > > > > > > > > > succeedent, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak > in > > > > > giving the > > > > > > > > > > > apparent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and > > > others > > > > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% > > > 40>, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in > > > general > > > > > and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You specifically. The thread was there > so > > > my > > > > > mail > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40>, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not > > > think > > > > > so. > > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in > Mutual > > > > > > > sevenths as > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 > > > > > degrees if > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% > 40>, > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty > > > common > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > However > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really effective the distance > should > > > be > > > > > more > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > 15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k > > > <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k% > 40>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya > and > > > budh > > > > > > > > > together in > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha- > > > adhithya" > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion > > > occurs > > > > > when > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from > > > behind at > > > > > > > certain > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust > > > in "retograde" > > > > > > > motion > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > rahu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the > > > surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in > which > > > the > > > > > > > distance > > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I > presume > > > here, > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Budh is > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to > > > perform. > > > > > In > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing > some > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the > > > budhaditya > > > > > yoga in > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do > let > > > me > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, > budhaditya > > > is > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > awfully > > > > > > > > > > > > > overrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the > > > world's > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > message > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- --- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming > > > message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus > Database: > > > > > > > > > 268.14.6/536 - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming > message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > > > > > 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have > > > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ --- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- --- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > 268.14.12/545 - > > > > > > > > Release > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- --- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > > Release > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------ --- > ---- > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - > > > Release > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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