Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Dear Gurujans I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except for sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu doesn't get combust rather eclipse the surya. My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting combust and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this Yoga is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me. Regards Sridhar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Dear Gurujans Correction : The distance between surya and budh is 2deg 27 mts and not 1 deg 8 mts as given below. Sorry for the inconvenience Regards Sridhar , "ashwin_062k" <ashwin_062k wrote: > > Dear Gurujans > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except for > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu doesn't > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting combust > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this Yoga > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me. > > Regards > Sridhar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Dear Gurujans Correction : The distance between surya and budh is 2deg 27 mts and not 1 deg 8 mts as given below. Sorry for the inconvenience Regards Sridhar , "ashwin_062k" <ashwin_062k wrote: > > Dear Gurujans > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except for > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu doesn't > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting combust > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this Yoga > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me. > > Regards > Sridhar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Dear Gurujans Correction : The distance between surya and budh is 2deg 27 mts and not 1 deg 8 mts as given below. Sorry for the inconvenience Regards Sridhar vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" <ashwin_062k wrote: > > Dear Gurujans > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except for > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu doesn't > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting combust > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this Yoga > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me. > > Regards > Sridhar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Dear Ramapriya Thanks for enlightening. As I understand that Budh is always within 28 deg from surya. So the mutual 7ths is in question. Am I correct. Please note that I am a novice in this science, please don't mind, if my queries are silly. Regards Sridhar , "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d wrote: > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k wrote: > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except for > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu doesn't > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting combust > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this Yoga > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in your case would be ineffectual > because of combustion. And do let me have a chart where Sun and Mercury are > in mutual 7ths > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one awfully overrated yogal; by its > very nature, more than half the world's population would have it > > Ramapriya > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Hello, 1. sun and budha can not have any distance more than one sign, because budha is most nearst planet to the sun 2. budha-adhitya yoga occurs if budha is not combust greetings Metin vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" <ashwin_062k wrote: > > Dear Gurujans > > Correction : The distance between surya and budh is 2deg 27 mts > and not 1 deg 8 mts as given below. > > Sorry for the inconvenience > > Regards > Sridhar > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except for > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu doesn't > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting combust > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this > Yoga > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > > > Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me. > > > > Regards > > Sridhar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 vedic astrology, Metin Özenbas <metin_ozenbas wrote: >Mr Metin Ozenbas, May I know what made you to come to such conclusions regarding Budha- aditya yoga as your answers do not stand to the rules mentioned in Hindu Astronomy and Astrology. I feel that these are basics that many students like you must know before coming to conclusion based on own thoughts. The rules for find any union of planets called yuti or yoga are: 1)When the longitude of the swift-moving planet is greater than that of the slow one, the conjunction (samyoga) is past; otherwise, it is to come; this is the case when the two are moving eastward i.e., clockwise; if, however, they are retrograding (vakrin), the contrary is true 2)When the longitude of the one moving eastward is greater, the conjunction (samagama)is past; but when that of the one that is retrograding is greater, it is to come. 3)When the distance between the two planets is < or = 12 degrees then the question of yoga arises otherwise not Given these conditions, can you identify 1)faster and slower planets 2)Reassess your statement "budha-adhitya yoga occurs if budha is not combust" in light of these rules 3)Can you tell the reason for specific degrees i.e., why 12 is only alloted for occurence of any yoga I have a very feeble hope that you can answer these questions and also suggest you to verify your budha-aditya yoga if present. I feel strongly that you should first check your basics of Hindu Astronomy and later Astrology and it is not as easy as "read and throw" attitude Hope you got the point Jairadhe > > Hello, > > 1. sun and budha can not have any distance more than one sign, because > budha is most nearst planet to the sun > > 2. budha-adhitya yoga occurs if budha is not combust > > greetings > > Metin > > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > Correction : The distance between surya and budh is 2deg 27 mts > > and not 1 deg 8 mts as given below. > > > > Sorry for the inconvenience > > > > Regards > > Sridhar > > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except for > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu doesn't > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting combust > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this > > Yoga > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > > > > > Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me. > > > > > > Regards > > > Sridhar > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Dear Gurujans I have a small clarification here. When the planets are in retrograde motion and be yuti with surya - does the retrograde planet gets combusted or gain strength from surya, except for sukra. Regards Sridhar vedic astrology, "vrajleela" <vrajleela wrote: > > vedic astrology, Metin Özenbas > <metin_ozenbas@> wrote: > >Mr Metin Ozenbas, > May I know what made you to come to such conclusions regarding Budha- > aditya yoga as your answers do not stand to the rules mentioned in > Hindu Astronomy and Astrology. I feel that these are basics that > many students like you must know before coming to conclusion based > on own thoughts. > The rules for find any union of planets called yuti or yoga are: > 1)When the longitude of the swift-moving planet is greater than that > of the slow one, the conjunction (samyoga) is past; otherwise, it is > to come; this is the case when the two are moving eastward i.e., > clockwise; if, however, they are retrograding (vakrin), the contrary > is true > 2)When the longitude of the one moving eastward is greater, the > conjunction (samagama)is past; but when that of the one that is > retrograding is greater, it is to come. > 3)When the distance between the two planets is < or = 12 degrees > then the question of yoga arises otherwise not > Given these conditions, can you identify > 1)faster and slower planets > 2)Reassess your statement "budha-adhitya yoga occurs if budha is not > combust" in light of these rules > 3)Can you tell the reason for specific degrees i.e., why 12 is only > alloted for occurence of any yoga > I have a very feeble hope that you can answer these questions and > also suggest you to verify your budha-aditya yoga if present. > I feel strongly that you should first check your basics of Hindu > Astronomy and later Astrology and it is not as easy as "read and > throw" attitude > Hope you got the point > Jairadhe > > > > > Hello, > > > > 1. sun and budha can not have any distance more than one sign, > because > > budha is most nearst planet to the sun > > > > 2. budha-adhitya yoga occurs if budha is not combust > > > > greetings > > > > Metin > > > > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > Correction : The distance between surya and budh is 2deg 27 > mts > > > and not 1 deg 8 mts as given below. > > > > > > Sorry for the inconvenience > > > > > > Regards > > > Sridhar > > > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" > > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or > in > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except > for > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu > doesn't > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya > and > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting > combust > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still > this > > > Yoga > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > > > > > > > Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Dear Sridhar, For the Budh-Aditya yoga to fructify the distance between the 2 must be atleast 10 degrees. Also Budh is the only planet which due to its motion is always very near to Surya, hence normally there may be many charts where you see Budh in 12th or in 2nd from Su. Also Budh is one planet which does not get combust with Su. Dear Gurus, please verify. || Om Krishna Guru || Humble Regards, Hemant Desai ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k > wrote: Dear Gurujans Correction : The distance between surya and budh is 2deg 27 mts and not 1 deg 8 mts as given below. Sorry for the inconvenience Regards Sridhar vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" <ashwin_062k wrote: > > Dear Gurujans > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except for > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu doesn't > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting combust > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this Yoga > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me. > > Regards > Sridhar > Agnyeya@ Planet Earth Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Dear Hemant Could you please provide with the astrological/astronomical reason for budh not get combust with surya. Regards Sridhar vedic astrology, Agnyeya <agnyeya wrote: > > Dear Sridhar, > > For the Budh-Aditya yoga to fructify the distance between the 2 must be atleast 10 degrees. > Also Budh is the only planet which due to its motion is always very near to Surya, hence normally there may be many charts where you see Budh in 12th or in 2nd from Su. > Also Budh is one planet which does not get combust with Su. > > Dear Gurus, please verify. > > || Om Krishna Guru || > Humble Regards, > Hemant Desai > > ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k wrote: > Dear Gurujans > > Correction : The distance between surya and budh is 2deg 27 mts > and not 1 deg 8 mts as given below. > > Sorry for the inconvenience > > Regards > Sridhar > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except for > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu doesn't > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting combust > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this > Yoga > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > > > Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me. > > > > Regards > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > Agnyeya@ Planet Earth > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Dear Hemant, This is completely wrong view view that "Also Budh is one planet which does not get combust with Su." Thanks, Amit On 11/18/06, Agnyeya <agnyeya > wrote: > > Dear Sridhar, > > For the Budh-Aditya yoga to fructify the distance between the 2 must be > atleast 10 degrees. > Also Budh is the only planet which due to its motion is always very near > to Surya, hence normally there may be many charts where you see Budh in 12th > or in 2nd from Su. > Also Budh is one planet which does not get combust with Su. > > Dear Gurus, please verify. > > || Om Krishna Guru || > Humble Regards, > Hemant Desai > > ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > Dear Gurujans > > Correction : The distance between surya and budh is 2deg 27 mts > and not 1 deg 8 mts as given below. > > Sorry for the inconvenience > > Regards > Sridhar > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > "ashwin_062k" > <ashwin_062k wrote: > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except for > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu doesn't > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting combust > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this > Yoga > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > > > Would apprecaite if you could enlighten me. > > > > Regards > > Sridhar > > > > Agnyeya@ Planet Earth > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get > it NOW > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as the maximum distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I remember my lessons right. regards, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Sridhar, > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. However for it to be > really effective the distance should be more than 15 degrees and better > if it is more than 20 degrees. > Chandrashekhar. > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except for > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu doesn't > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting combust > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this Yoga > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in your case would be > > ineffectual > > because of combustion. And do let me have a chart where Sun and > > Mercury are > > in mutual 7ths > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one awfully overrated yogal; by its > > very nature, more than half the world's population would have it > > > > Ramapriya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Hello, Is divisional charts is a myth, that has now been institutinalized ? I would like Chandrashekharjis views on this. If I recall, he has said that there is a case to be made for using navansha as a separate chart( Chandrashekharji, please correct me if I am misquoting you), but not for the others. I am puzzled by people using these charts. Lets say for argument sake that they are real charts. How can one be so sure of the division chart lagna when many natal birth times are aprroximated. To base your conclusions on these is quite dangerous. Anyway by two cents Satish --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d > wrote: > On 11/22/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> > wrote: > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths > as the maximum > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I > remember > > my lessons right. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > I suspect the 'mutual sevenths' is the brainwave of > someone (and I know of > some astrologers who do!) who looks at yogas in > divisional charts as well > > Ramapriya > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Sponsored Link Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Assoc http://.degrees.info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Sir, Though the below mail was not addressed to me yet I wish to put some views. Divisonal charts cannot be a myth because it has been mentioned in a chapter by Parashar Maharaj. Next though birth times are approximated (since in our own bedroom You will find difference in times of your wrist watch,on your cell phone, on the wall clock,on the TV through set up Box,in your alarm clock, in your Computer and also probably on the wifes wrist watch if she wears one,then how can one expect the hospitals to mantain exact time,or the hospital staff to be so loyal that they will so dutifully note the time of birth leaving other duties as if the child born was their own), yet there are few ways to exact this approximated time to near perfect if not perfect. Once this is not done, going through the divisional charts is meaningless. But if a person is adept to read the divisional charts with full respect to the scriptures then they can be sure to grant support to the findings in the natal chart with reference to the spouse, Profession, spiritual persuits, wealth and children apart from the other factors. LR cahwdhri has written about this long back I think about 15 years back, and also Shri Chandubhai Patel has written a beautiful book on Navamsha which is a must to be read by all astrologers who want to learn how to use the Navamsha for predicting grave matters alongwith help of Ashtakvarga and transits. But to check Yogas from these charts is somehow not digestable through any remote means . Best wishes, Bhaskar. , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Hello, > > Is divisional charts is a myth, that has now been > institutinalized ? I would like Chandrashekharjis > views on this. If I recall, he has said that there is > a case to be made for using navansha as a separate > chart( Chandrashekharji, please correct me if I am > misquoting you), but not for the others. > > I am puzzled by people using these charts. Lets say > for argument sake that they are real charts. How can > one be so sure of the division chart lagna when many > natal birth times are aprroximated. To base your > conclusions on these is quite dangerous. > > Anyway by two cents > > Satish > --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d wrote: > > > On 11/22/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > wrote: > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths > > as the maximum > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I > > remember > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > I suspect the 'mutual sevenths' is the brainwave of > > someone (and I know of > > some astrologers who do!) who looks at yogas in > > divisional charts as well > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Sponsored Link > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr > MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Assoc > http://.degrees.info > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Hello to You too. Hello, I personally see the divisional charts only, in the absence of data or tools to prepare the required data for me. In that case I see the divisional charts. Now with reference to the timings you mentioned. The Navamsha degrees difference itself being 3.20 its naturally going to stay same in time span You mentioned. I never assume that the divsional charts are dynamic and neither to an extent more than the Raashi chart. These assumptions maybe for people who have learnt astrology newly. Personally I check the Nakshatra Lords and the sublords to make the assesment to correct the times, which are certainly more precise then the time spans you mentioned for the various charts. One more thing, it will be foolhardy for any astrologer to assume that the divisional charts have more to offer than the Rashi chart. So please do not make that mistake. They are as I mentioned, please refer to my mail, only to be used as support, and reconfirmation of facts founfd in the Natal chart. It is like sonography of a particular matter we want to check and not the whole, then we refer to the Divisional charts, but only after the body (Natal Chart) has been checked first. For ex. a person with pain in chest ,a clinical examination would be made first, then when fears are there for heart trouble, he would be advised for cardiogram or ultrasound cardiogram. Please do not mix up both the Natal and divisional charts. They are to be seen in unison to reinforce or confirm what a adept astrologer may see in the natal chart. And we cannot negate the importance of the Divisional charts too, though as I said only secondary to the natal chart. regards, Bhaskar. , "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d wrote: > > On 11/22/06, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Is divisional charts is a myth, that has now been > > institutinalized ? I would like Chandrashekharjis > > views on this. If I recall, he has said that there is > > a case to be made for using navansha as a separate > > chart( Chandrashekharji, please correct me if I am > > misquoting you), but not for the others. > > > > I am puzzled by people using these charts. Lets say > > for argument sake that they are real charts. How can > > one be so sure of the division chart lagna when many > > natal birth times are aprroximated. To base your > > conclusions on these is quite dangerous. > > > > Anyway by two cents > > > > Satish > > > > I'll wait for Chandrashekhar's erudition too but there's also this myth that > div-charts fluctuate dramatically. They're a lot more dynamic than the rasi > but not exactly by an extent you might be assuming. > > The lagna sign changes near the equator would typically be: > > Drekkana: 6 min > Navamsa: 10 min > Dasamsa: 14 min > Shodasamsa: 8 min > Siddhamsa: 6 min > Nakshatramsa: 5 min > Trimsamsa: 4 min > Akshavedamsa: 3 min > Shashtyamsa: 2.5 min > > From the commercial perspective, more the merrier (div charts, I mean) - I > charge, depending on the client's gullibility, $9 for a D-9 reading, $16 for > a D-16... you get the drift ) > > Ramapriya > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please check my mail. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as the maximum > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I remember > my lessons right. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. However for it to be > > really effective the distance should be more than 15 degrees and > better > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except > for > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu > doesn't > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting > combust > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this > Yoga > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in your case would be > > > ineffectual > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a chart where Sun and > > > Mercury are > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one awfully overrated > yogal; by its > > > very nature, more than half the world's population would have > it > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Dear Satish, No, divisional charts are not myth as they are mentioned in all the classics. the difference of opinion is in the way they are to be interpreted and the extent to which they can influence the final results for a jataka. One group thinks that D-chart override what is promised by rasi chart whereas other group, including me, thinks that unless rasi chart promises something merely something in D- Chart can not deliver to the Jataka. Both the groups have their points and one should find out for oneself. My opinion is that navamsha being the chart from which strength is drawn by the planets is very relevant for interpretation of a chart. The classics tell that planets in exaltation in navamsha overrule the weakness of the same planets in debility in rasi charts. Again at some places specific aspects in navamsha are indicated by sages and they could be accepted as such. There are some other d-charts where classics give specific combinations and those could be accepted as given. But this may not be true for all other divisional charts as the sages have told how to look at strength of planets in D- charts and any new approach may, while being innovative, not be capable of being applied to a different set of parameters. Personally I prefer to look at D-Charts as amplification of individual bhavas and use them only when I want to look at some hidden flavour of a bhava. Generally correct interpretation of navamsha and rasi should suffice for prediction. Aspects in Vedic astrology being considered from rasi to rasi, looking at aspects in D- Charts may not stand the test of logic, is my view. Of course those more knowledgeable than me, may hold a different view on the matter. SPK wrote: > > Hello, > > Is divisional charts is a myth, that has now been > institutinalized ? I would like Chandrashekharjis > views on this. If I recall, he has said that there is > a case to be made for using navansha as a separate > chart( Chandrashekharji, please correct me if I am > misquoting you), but not for the others. > > I am puzzled by people using these charts. Lets say > for argument sake that they are real charts. How can > one be so sure of the division chart lagna when many > natal birth times are aprroximated. To base your > conclusions on these is quite dangerous. > > Anyway by two cents > > Satish > --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d > <ramapriya.d%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > On 11/22/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > <bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths > > as the maximum > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I > > remember > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > I suspect the 'mutual sevenths' is the brainwave of > > someone (and I know of > > some astrologers who do!) who looks at yogas in > > divisional charts as well > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > ________ > Sponsored Link > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr > MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Assoc > http://.degrees.info <http://.degrees.info> > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - Release 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 I guess its no secret than Jagannath Hora (PVR Narasimha Rao's software) shows yogas in divisional charts as well. Although that by no means implies that PVR endorses such use, merely that he believes that looking for yogas in divisional charts is NOT explicitly disallowed in the scriptures (or in his parampara), consequently he offers it as a feature in his software for research purposes. I think he (PVR) has made some fairly strong statements about, at the very least, (a) the use of divisional charts, and (b) their value in terms of precedence over rasi (for the specific matters they rule) if birthtime is correctly known © his OWN success in using divisional charts in said way (and he's probably seen thousands of charts). However, I dont think he has made very strong statements about looking for yogas in divisional charts. PVR's opinion carries a lot of weight, in my humble opinion after seeing him analyze (on these groups) and predict over the years. It certainly appears that he's read all the relevant scriptures. It might be interesting to get his (or one of his students') current views on the matter.. Sundeep , "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d wrote: > > On 11/22/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as the maximum > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I remember > > my lessons right. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > I suspect the 'mutual sevenths' is the brainwave of someone (and I know of > some astrologers who do!) who looks at yogas in divisional charts as well > > Ramapriya > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Dear Chandrasekharji, Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and not addressed to You specifically. The thread was there so my mail went in there, nothing else. regards, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please check my mail. > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as the maximum > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I remember > > my lessons right. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. However for it to be > > > really effective the distance should be more than 15 degrees and > > better > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@ > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava or in > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a direct > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, except > > for > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu > > doesn't > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between surya and > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting > > combust > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still this > > Yoga > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in your case would be > > > > ineffectual > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a chart where Sun and > > > > Mercury are > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one awfully overrated > > yogal; by its > > > > very nature, more than half the world's population would have > > it > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Dear all, At the same time in my personal experience, the Suryadi,Chandradi, Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be so beautiful in a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we see the Spashta Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go to another Bhava ,for instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in succeedent, which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the apparent results. Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others welcome. regards, Bhaskar. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and not addressed to > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail went in there, > nothing else. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please check my > mail. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as the maximum > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I remember > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. However for it to > be > > > > really effective the distance should be more than 15 degrees and > > > better > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava > or in > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a > direct > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, > except > > > for > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu > > > doesn't > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between > surya and > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting > > > combust > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still > this > > > Yoga > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in your case would > be > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a chart where Sun > and > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one awfully overrated > > > yogal; by its > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's population would have > > > it > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Please read as " do not give the results shown,in most of the charts having these Yogas" regards, Bhaskar. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear all, > > At the same time in my personal experience, the Suryadi,Chandradi, > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be so beautiful in > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we see the Spashta > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go to another > Bhava ,for > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in succeedent, > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the apparent > results. > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others welcome. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and not addressed to > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail went in there, > > nothing else. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please check my > > mail. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as the maximum > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I remember > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. However for it > to > > be > > > > > really effective the distance should be more than 15 degrees > and > > > > better > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava > > or in > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a > > direct > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, > > except > > > > for > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between > > surya and > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting > > > > combust > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still > > this > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in your case > would > > be > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a chart where Sun > > and > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one awfully overrated > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's population would > have > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Sir, Where does Parashara mention Divisional charts ? He mentions divisions ( amshas). Whether the amsha has be read as it relates to the amsha lagna for a particular amsha is an open question still in my mind. A planet exalted in navansha gains strength. But what if this planet is in 5th house from lagna navansha in one case and in 8th in another case. Would you say it has not gained strength when it is in 8th from navansha lagna and has gained strength wehn it is in 5th from navansha lagna ? How to ascertain strength in namsha ? Just amsha strength or also bhava strength ? I am interested in what classics say. The modern interpreters have already put their views on this subject and that why I am asking is this thing so institutionalized that it is beyond debate. I am not sure it is beyond debate and I think what sages have said has been extrapolated by many and that could be erroneous. Satish --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Sir, > > Though the below mail was not addressed to me yet I > wish to > put some views. > Divisonal charts cannot be a myth because it has > been mentioned > in a chapter by Parashar Maharaj. > Next though birth times are approximated (since in > our own bedroom > You will find difference in times of your wrist > watch,on your > cell phone, on the wall clock,on the TV through set > up Box,in > your alarm clock, in your Computer and also probably > on the wifes > wrist watch if she wears one,then how can one expect > the hospitals > to mantain exact time,or the hospital staff to be so > loyal that > they will so dutifully note the time of birth > leaving other duties > as if the child born was their own), yet there are > few ways > to exact this approximated time to near perfect if > not perfect. Once > this is not done, going through the divisional > charts is meaningless. > But if a person is adept to read the divisional > charts with > full respect to the scriptures then they can be sure > to grant > support to the findings in the natal chart with > reference to the > spouse, Profession, spiritual persuits, wealth and > children > apart from the other factors. LR cahwdhri has > written about this > long back I think about 15 years back, and also Shri > Chandubhai Patel > has written a beautiful book on Navamsha which is a > must to be read > by all astrologers who want to learn how to use the > Navamsha for > predicting grave matters alongwith help of > Ashtakvarga > and transits. > > But to check Yogas from these charts is somehow not > digestable > through any remote means . > > Best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Is divisional charts is a myth, that has now been > > institutinalized ? I would like Chandrashekharjis > > views on this. If I recall, he has said that there > is > > a case to be made for using navansha as a separate > > chart( Chandrashekharji, please correct me if I am > > misquoting you), but not for the others. > > > > I am puzzled by people using these charts. Lets > say > > for argument sake that they are real charts. How > can > > one be so sure of the division chart lagna when > many > > natal birth times are aprroximated. To base your > > conclusions on these is quite dangerous. > > > > Anyway by two cents > > > > Satish > > --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d wrote: > > > > > On 11/22/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual > sevenths > > > as the maximum > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees > if I > > > remember > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > I suspect the 'mutual sevenths' is the brainwave > of > > > someone (and I know of > > > some astrologers who do!) who looks at yogas in > > > divisional charts as well > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > ______________ > > Sponsored Link > > > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr > > MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Assoc > > http://.degrees.info > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 Dear Chandrasekharji, Yes experience shows that Yogas does HAS to do with Bhava Chalit and NOT the natal chart which is also known as the Khokha Kundli,or a empty carton which shows Alphonso mangoes from outside, but inside may contain sour raw half ripe mangoes. Otherwise how do we explain so many good Yogas not fructifying in millions of peoples charts and lives ? Any prediction has actually to be made from the Bhava Chalit only, which 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they have become self-termed astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting few websites. Otherwise what is the meaning of Bhava Chalit(Cuspal in English). Why does this chart exist at all ? For the simple reason that this is the chart for making predictions. When we talk of Yogas ,we mean combinations if you quote the classics, the Bhava lords where they are positioned become secondary and do not form any part of the Yoga in the real sense of the term, but just to gauge the strength, thats all. What do we mean by Arsha system I do not understand . Now the example you gave need not have so many planets to make a Chandradi Yoga. there are hundreds of Chandradi Yogas, and which one are you referring to in this case ? When I talk of Bhava Chalit it strictly means combinations in the natal chart, broken up in the Bhava Chalit chart, whcih have to be seen and studied. Otherwise every second person walking on the road would have a Gajakesari Yoga or a Panchamahapurusha Yoga. I have not talked in my mail what a astrologer should do with regards to positive and negative Yogas.I mentioned in my mail that a particular Yoga has to be checked whether it mantains in the Bhava Chalit or not. If it mantains in the Bhava Chalit then it will fructify,otherwise not, I am claiming this strongly with experience. Thank You for participating in the discussion on Yogas. regards, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > That has nothing to do with bhava chalit, which is not a part of Arsha > system of astrology. The reason has to do with the fact that in a chart > there are both negative and positive yogas and an astrologer should try > to balance the two before arriving at the possible results of the yogas > in the life of a jataka. One must also try to find out whether the bhava > lord occupying those bhavas will give positive or negative results to > understand operation of any yoga. > > For example if Chandra is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury > in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna > being Aquarius. Do you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will > fructify in all its glory? > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > At the same time in my personal experience, the Suryadi,Chandradi, > > Panchmahapurusha and Nabhas Yogas which appear to be so beautiful in > > a chart, do not give the results shown, cause when we see the Spashta > > Bhava Chalit Chart (Cuspal Chart), one planet may go to another > > Bhava ,for > > instance one may be left in Kendra and other may go in succeedent, > > which will make the aforesaid Yogas weak in giving the apparent > > results. > > > > Expert comments from Chandrasekharji and others welcome. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > Not at all Sir. My mail was written in general and not addressed to > > > You specifically. The thread was there so my mail went in there, > > > nothing else. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > Did I say mutually sevenths? I do not think so. Please check my > > > mail. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths as the maximum > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I remember > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > Ramapriya is right. It is pretty common yoga. However for it > > to > > > be > > > > > > really effective the distance should be more than 15 degrees > > and > > > > > better > > > > > > if it is more than 20 degrees. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/06, ashwin_062k <ashwin_062k@ > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that when surya and budh together in a bhava > > > or in > > > > > > > > mutual 7ths, forms "budha-adhithya" yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read that combustion occurs when any planet in a > > > direct > > > > > > > > motion passes the surya from behind at certain degrees, > > > except > > > > > for > > > > > > > > sukr who gets combust in "retograde" motion and rahu, ketu > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > get combust rather eclipse the surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query: I have a chart in which the distance between > > > surya and > > > > > > > > budha is 1 deg 8 mts. I presume here, the Budh is getting > > > > > combust > > > > > > > > and is inactive or unable to perform. In this case, still > > > this > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > is formed !! or am i missing some basic principle here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mercury is direct, the budhaditya yoga in your case > > would > > > be > > > > > > > ineffectual > > > > > > > because of combustion. And do let me have a chart where Sun > > > and > > > > > > > Mercury are > > > > > > > in mutual 7ths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal opinion, budhaditya is one awfully overrated > > > > > yogal; by its > > > > > > > very nature, more than half the world's population would > > have > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 Dear Satish ji Similar to Bhavat-Bhavam,one can make Lagna navamsha/Lagna dashamsha/Karaka Navamsha etc are reference points and count 5th /10th from them,in Rashi Chakra.The lords of such rashis,that seperate advocates will find in divisional charts will be the same as the above ,too. Problem is 1)They tend to bring in aspects 2)Extensions/Imaginations -will bring in Yogas etc resulting in violation of elementary principles. 3)Most importantly -they fail to see planetary placements in the said rashis and judge using amsha sambandhas alone!!! Eg Karakamsha analysis- 1)If 10th from Karakamsha lagna has planetary aspect(rashi) -One will miss it. 2)If a palnet is placed one will miss it 3)Judgement is based on planet having amsha there,alone 4)Bring aspects which are not there Rashi chakra is the composite which consists everything.Vargas show various relationships(each for specific purpose) a planet is having with various Rashis from its single position. Navamsha is Prana -But where this Prana is going/acting has to be studied.Sthoola is manifestation and sookshma is underlying.If these two are not analysed in totality - emerging picture is just a fantasy. In the complete system called Rashi chakra(One can study- aspects,argala,conjunction,Yoga,combustion,war,friendship etc etc). Others better learned may disagree Pradeep , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Sir, > > Where does Parashara mention Divisional charts ? He > mentions divisions ( amshas). Whether the amsha has be > read as it relates to the amsha lagna for a particular > amsha is an open question still in my mind. > > A planet exalted in navansha gains strength. But what > if this planet is in 5th house from lagna navansha in > one case and in 8th in another case. Would you say it > has not gained strength when it is in 8th from > navansha lagna and has gained strength wehn it is in > 5th from navansha lagna ? How to ascertain strength in > namsha ? Just amsha strength or also bhava strength ? > I am interested in what classics say. The modern > interpreters have already put their views on this > subject and that why I am asking is this thing so > institutionalized that it is beyond debate. I am not > sure it is beyond debate and I think what sages have > said has been extrapolated by many and that could be > erroneous. > > Satish > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Sir, > > > > Though the below mail was not addressed to me yet I > > wish to > > put some views. > > Divisonal charts cannot be a myth because it has > > been mentioned > > in a chapter by Parashar Maharaj. > > Next though birth times are approximated (since in > > our own bedroom > > You will find difference in times of your wrist > > watch,on your > > cell phone, on the wall clock,on the TV through set > > up Box,in > > your alarm clock, in your Computer and also probably > > on the wifes > > wrist watch if she wears one,then how can one expect > > the hospitals > > to mantain exact time,or the hospital staff to be so > > loyal that > > they will so dutifully note the time of birth > > leaving other duties > > as if the child born was their own), yet there are > > few ways > > to exact this approximated time to near perfect if > > not perfect. Once > > this is not done, going through the divisional > > charts is meaningless. > > But if a person is adept to read the divisional > > charts with > > full respect to the scriptures then they can be sure > > to grant > > support to the findings in the natal chart with > > reference to the > > spouse, Profession, spiritual persuits, wealth and > > children > > apart from the other factors. LR cahwdhri has > > written about this > > long back I think about 15 years back, and also Shri > > Chandubhai Patel > > has written a beautiful book on Navamsha which is a > > must to be read > > by all astrologers who want to learn how to use the > > Navamsha for > > predicting grave matters alongwith help of > > Ashtakvarga > > and transits. > > > > But to check Yogas from these charts is somehow not > > digestable > > through any remote means . > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Is divisional charts is a myth, that has now been > > > institutinalized ? I would like Chandrashekharjis > > > views on this. If I recall, he has said that there > > is > > > a case to be made for using navansha as a separate > > > chart( Chandrashekharji, please correct me if I am > > > misquoting you), but not for the others. > > > > > > I am puzzled by people using these charts. Lets > > say > > > for argument sake that they are real charts. How > > can > > > one be so sure of the division chart lagna when > > many > > > natal birth times are aprroximated. To base your > > > conclusions on these is quite dangerous. > > > > > > Anyway by two cents > > > > > > Satish > > > --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d@> wrote: > > > > > > > On 11/22/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual > > sevenths > > > > as the maximum > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees > > if I > > > > remember > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect the 'mutual sevenths' is the brainwave > > of > > > > someone (and I know of > > > > some astrologers who do!) who looks at yogas in > > > > divisional charts as well > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _ > > ______________ > > > Sponsored Link > > > > > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr > > > MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Assoc > > > http://.degrees.info > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _______________ > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > http://new.mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 On 11/24/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > Any prediction has actually to be made from the Bhava Chalit only, which > 99% of the astrologers do not know, for they have become self-termed > astrologer by reading 2-3 books or visiting few websites. > Do stop projecting. Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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