Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Dear Gurujans I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following: When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we count the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong. If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise direction? or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion. Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. Regards Sridhar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" <ashwin_062k wrote: >Dear Sridhar Your doubt is genuine as it is one of many doubts which arise in the beginning stages of learning. However, you will get answers to not only this one but so many if you learn it properly under able guru or work mathematically for yourself. I will tell you how: 1)The present doubt of yours comes under one of the six strengths of a planet/sign called Shadbal. Under shadbal, we have sthaan, dig, kala, chesta, naisargika and drig balas (order should be strictly followed). Among all the six types, drig or aspectoral strength is the only type which have both plus and minus sign attached to it. Meaning, it can either add or deduct to the total obtained after adding all the five strengths prior to drig. 2)While evaluating this strength, all the classical texts state that the distance between the two planets viz., aspected by and aspecting should be measured in terms of either whole or fractions of a sign when counted in clockwise direction starting from the planet which aspects. 3)While mentioning special aspects of bahya or exterior planets viz., Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, Jupiter possess Poorna drishti on the point in space which is exactly >= 120 to <=150, 180 and >=240 to <=270 from it. This means Jupiter view equally (Sama drishti) on three points which are situated exactly at 135, 180 and 255 degrees from him. This is called Pandita Samadrishti meaning scholars view the world equally. So except for Jupiter all others do have Purna drishti but not extend equally or symmetrically on either side. 4)Moreover, unlike Jaimini, where there are sign aspects (here there is a discrimination of odd and even signs for which we have to count either clockwise or anti-clockwise accordingly), here (i.e., in the schools of Parasara, Varahamihira etc) we have no such feature implying only clockwise reckoning. 5)If you are still not impressed, you can evaluate two ways of drig bala and obtain the total shadbala and later apply it to the determination of ayurdaya as per rules in Varahamihira and evaluate accordingly the dasas (these dasas are different to Parasara) and see their applicability in the actual cases. 6)I think to do this, you should be perfect in evaluating the shadbal, ayurdaya, dasas which I doubt. 7)We at our organisation VEDA are doing such research for the past 20yrs, studying many cases under different schools of thought. Hope you got the point Regards Jairadhe > Dear Gurujans > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following: > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we count > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong. > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise direction? > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion. > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > Regards > Sridhar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Dear Sir Thanks for your time and effort to clarify my query. I started showing interest in understanding this great science since last year. As you said in your posting below, if we learn this through a "Guru", we get answers for too many doubts that we may have at the beginning. I will try to do the same, when I am back to our country. Thanks once again for your effort Regards Sridhar vedic astrology, "vrajleela" <vrajleela wrote: > > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > >Dear Sridhar > Your doubt is genuine as it is one of many doubts which arise in the > beginning stages of learning. However, you will get answers to not > only this one but so many if you learn it properly under able guru > or work mathematically for yourself. I will tell you how: > 1)The present doubt of yours comes under one of the six strengths of > a planet/sign called Shadbal. Under shadbal, we have sthaan, dig, > kala, chesta, naisargika and drig balas (order should be strictly > followed). Among all the six types, drig or aspectoral strength is > the only type which have both plus and minus sign attached to it. > Meaning, it can either add or deduct to the total obtained after > adding all the five strengths prior to drig. > 2)While evaluating this strength, all the classical texts state that > the distance between the two planets viz., aspected by and aspecting > should be measured in terms of either whole or fractions of a sign > when counted in clockwise direction starting from the planet which > aspects. > 3)While mentioning special aspects of bahya or exterior planets > viz., Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, Jupiter possess Poorna drishti on > the point in space which is exactly >= 120 to <=150, 180 and >=240 > to <=270 from it. This means Jupiter view equally (Sama drishti) on > three points which are situated exactly at 135, 180 and 255 degrees > from him. This is called Pandita Samadrishti meaning scholars view > the world equally. So except for Jupiter all others do have Purna > drishti but not extend equally or symmetrically on either side. > 4)Moreover, unlike Jaimini, where there are sign aspects (here there > is a discrimination of odd and even signs for which we have to count > either clockwise or anti-clockwise accordingly), here (i.e., in the > schools of Parasara, Varahamihira etc) we have no such feature > implying only clockwise reckoning. > 5)If you are still not impressed, you can evaluate two ways of drig > bala and obtain the total shadbala and later apply it to the > determination of ayurdaya as per rules in Varahamihira and evaluate > accordingly the dasas (these dasas are different to Parasara) and > see their applicability in the actual cases. > 6)I think to do this, you should be perfect in evaluating the > shadbal, ayurdaya, dasas which I doubt. > 7)We at our organisation VEDA are doing such research for the past > 20yrs, studying many cases under different schools of thought. > Hope you got the point > Regards > Jairadhe > > Dear Gurujans > > > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following: > > > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we > count > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong. > > > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise > direction? > > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion. > > > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > > > Regards > > Sridhar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Namaste, Sridhar. I was taught to only count the houses backward for the nodes; i.e., Rahu and Kethu. Retrograde planets act from the house they are in AND the preceding house.and aspects should be reckoned from both places. Namaste, David dvdlagr (AT) valornet (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Salam! I am a novice in the field and a very humble student of Astrology.I was taught that the aspects of planets are counted anti clockwise from the house they are placed in.No matter retrograde or not or nodes. Please somebody guide. Dr. Irtiza --- David LaGrone <dvdlagr (AT) valornet (DOT) com> wrote: > Namaste, Sridhar. > > I was taught to only count the houses backward for > the nodes; i.e., Rahu and > Kethu. Retrograde planets act from the house they > are in AND the preceding > house.and aspects should be reckoned from both > places. > > Namaste, David > > > > dvdlagr (AT) valornet (DOT) com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. http://smallbusiness./r-index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Dear Sridhar ji, No question is ever silly, though many answers often are, or at least can be! <not on this august forum, of course - ever ever!> Since no planet really is moving backwards but merely observed by our earth-based orientation to appear to be moving backwards -- planets only go forwards, and therefore their drishti, their glance, their vision is always forward, counted counterclockwise in a north indian diamond horoscope chart. In the south indian chart, which you were presumably referring to, the drishti would be counted clockwise since the signs are placed in that order, as if someone is viewing the sky from south of the ecliptic (hence the order is cw). Rahu and ketu are mathematical points, which in their true motion can move forwards and backwards, although their mean motion is always backwards. I do not consider them capable of casting drishti so would not comment on it. Some individuals report a special influence for retrograde planets in the 12th from where they are located. This is not drishti and this does not mean that the retrograde planet shifts back one house. This is described in one of the nadis. Not everyone accepts that to be the case. Written just as a forum member since I am not a gurujan. RR , "ashwin_062k" <ashwin_062k wrote: > > Dear Gurujans > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following: > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we count > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong. > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise direction? > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion. > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > Regards > Sridhar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Sridhar, If you go to Jyotish_remedies, where you posted the identical question, you will find my answer there. Regards Ranjan vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" <ashwin_062k wrote: > > Dear Gurujans > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following: > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we count > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong. > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise direction? > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion. > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > Regards > Sridhar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 , "ashwin_062k" <ashwin_062k wrote: > > Dear Gurujans > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following: > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we count > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong. > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise direction? > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion. > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > Regards > Sridhar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Sir Mr chandrasekhar clarified it. He is correct no furthur clarification is not necessary -- In , "ashwin_062k" <ashwin_062k wrote: > > Dear Gurujans > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following: > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we count > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong. > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise direction? > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion. > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > Regards > Sridhar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 dear david as per all vedic astrology classics, planets give aspects from the position they are in and are never counted backwards for aspects while in retrogression. retrogression (gati) has no bearing on the aspects of the planets. if all the five planets are not counted backwards for aspects while in retrogression, how can you apply this as a rule to just rahu and ketu because they are in retrogression. if you have come across any vedic classic which mentions that we have to count backwards for calculating the aspects of any planet in retrogression(why only rahu and ketu) i stand educated. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun vedic astrology, "David LaGrone" <dvdlagr wrote: > > Namaste, Sridhar. > > I was taught to only count the houses backward for the nodes; i.e., Rahu and > Kethu. Retrograde planets act from the house they are in AND the preceding > house.and aspects should be reckoned from both places. > > Namaste, David > > > > dvdlagr > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 vedic astrology, Irtiza Dr Tauqeer <tirtiza wrote: >Dear Irtiza, As you mentioned :"the aspects of planets are counted anti clockwise from the house they are placed in.No matter retrograde or not or nodes" is not correct. You can verify my answer Jairadhe > Salam! > > I am a novice in the field and a very humble student > of Astrology.I was taught that the aspects of planets > are counted anti clockwise from the house they are > placed in.No matter retrograde or not or nodes. > > Please somebody guide. > > Dr. Irtiza > > --- David LaGrone <dvdlagr wrote: > > > Namaste, Sridhar. > > > > I was taught to only count the houses backward for > > the nodes; i.e., Rahu and > > Kethu. Retrograde planets act from the house they > > are in AND the preceding > > house.and aspects should be reckoned from both > > places. > > > > Namaste, David > > > > > > > > dvdlagr > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _______________ > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Small Business. > http://smallbusiness./r-index > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: >Dear members, For clarification of aspectoral strength (this is the exact context in which the present topic lies), if we apply retrograde rule we will end in a fix, as the luminaries do not have such reverse motion. Hence, though the tara-grahas (kujaadi pancha grahas) have both direct and reverse, luminaries have only direct while "MEAN NODES" have reverse motion (though "TRUE NODES" have both direct and reverse motions - see Lahiri's ephemeris). Therefore, other than Jaimini school - where we do not have planetary aspects but sign aspects, which is why the Sage highlights this extraordinary feature of his school of thought in the 2nd to 4th sutra of his Upadesa Sutras itself - all other schools adopt clockwise reckoning of both signs and planets. Therefore, it is the school that matters while studying the Absolute Truth and thereby we should apply rules strictly accordingly and should not mix them. You can verify my explanation in this forum if you wish so. Jairadhe > dear david > > as per all vedic astrology classics, planets give aspects from the > position they are in and are never counted backwards for aspects > while in retrogression. > > retrogression (gati) has no bearing on the aspects of the planets. > if all the five planets are not counted backwards for aspects while > in retrogression, how can you apply this as a rule to just rahu and > ketu because they are in retrogression. > > if you have come across any vedic classic which mentions that we have > to count backwards for calculating the aspects of any planet in > retrogression(why only rahu and ketu) i stand educated. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > > vedic astrology, "David LaGrone" <dvdlagr@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste, Sridhar. > > > > I was taught to only count the houses backward for the nodes; i.e., > Rahu and > > Kethu. Retrograde planets act from the house they are in AND the > preceding > > house.and aspects should be reckoned from both places. > > > > Namaste, David > > > > > > > > dvdlagr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Mr. LaGrone, That makes impact of nodes on all the 12 houses. Vinkum vedic astrology, "David LaGrone" <dvdlagr wrote: > > Namaste, Sridhar. > > I was taught to only count the houses backward for the nodes; i.e., Rahu and > Kethu. Retrograde planets act from the house they are in AND the preceding > house.and aspects should be reckoned from both places. > > Namaste, David > > > > dvdlagr > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Dear Pandit Jee! I had given opinion that the aspects are calculated anticlockwise from the house where planets are placed in.But one member of this club has differed from me.However, what I have understood from your message is that I was right. Please advise Regards, Dr. Irtiza --- panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: > dear david > > as per all vedic astrology classics, planets give > aspects from the > position they are in and are never counted backwards > for aspects > while in retrogression. > > retrogression (gati) has no bearing on the aspects > of the planets. > if all the five planets are not counted backwards > for aspects while > in retrogression, how can you apply this as a rule > to just rahu and > ketu because they are in retrogression. > > if you have come across any vedic classic which > mentions that we have > to count backwards for calculating the aspects of > any planet in > retrogression(why only rahu and ketu) i stand > educated. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > > vedic astrology, "David > LaGrone" <dvdlagr > wrote: > > > > Namaste, Sridhar. > > > > I was taught to only count the houses backward for > the nodes; i.e., > Rahu and > > Kethu. Retrograde planets act from the house they > are in AND the > preceding > > house.and aspects should be reckoned from both > places. > > > > Namaste, David > > > > > > > > dvdlagr > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. http://smallbusiness./r-index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Dear Sir yes, I saw your response and all other members of this group too. Thanks for guiding me. I had gone through the responses by all members in this group and other groups too. When I posted this query, I should have mentioned clearly that I follow the "South Indian" style of chart. Please accept my sincere apology. Regards Sridhar vedic astrology, "Rohiniranjan" <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Sridhar, > > If you go to Jyotish_remedies, where you posted the identical > question, you will find my answer there. > > Regards > > Ranjan > > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following: > > > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we > count > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong. > > > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise > direction? > > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion. > > > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > > > Regards > > Sridhar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Chadrashekharji, I have seen some astologers take the aspects of retrograde grahas from the preceding house. Could you please let us know whether this has any classical support. I do not use it this way, but that is because it does not appeal to me logically. Appreciate if you could shed some light on this. Thanks Satish --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > Dear Sridhar, > There is nothing in the texts to suggest that. > Remember that planets > appear to be in retrograde motion due to the > difference in the motion of > earth and other planets, they do not actually travel > in reverse direction. > Chandrashekhar. > > ashwin_062k wrote: > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt > on the following: > > > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a > direct motion we count > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for > rahu and ketu who > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if > I am wrong. > > > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the > birth chart, do we > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a > clockwise direction? > > or we have to consider the direction of the > planet's motion. > > > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > > > Regards > > Sridhar > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - > Release 11/10/2006 2:31 PM > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $310k for $999/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Hi All, Pandit Arjun ji is absolutely correct, but there is an exception to the Principle stated by Sir. If the Lagnesha were to be Retrograde, it shall always occupy the house previous to which it is located, even though Rashi would remain the same. Best Rgds, Abhi Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Dear Satish, I know that some do that. I do not find any support for this in classical texts. Actually there is an astronomical reason for the aspects and there is no reason that aspects be counted backwards. Chandrashekhar. SPK wrote: > > Chadrashekharji, > > I have seen some astologers take the aspects of > retrograde grahas from the preceding house. Could you > please let us know whether this has any classical > support. I do not use it this way, but that is because > it does not appeal to me logically. Appreciate if you > could shed some light on this. > > Thanks > > Satish > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > wrote: > > > Dear Sridhar, > > There is nothing in the texts to suggest that. > > Remember that planets > > appear to be in retrograde motion due to the > > difference in the motion of > > earth and other planets, they do not actually travel > > in reverse direction. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > ashwin_062k wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt > > on the following: > > > > > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a > > direct motion we count > > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for > > rahu and ketu who > > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if > > I am wrong. > > > > > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the > > birth chart, do we > > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a > > clockwise direction? > > > or we have to consider the direction of the > > planet's motion. > > > > > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > > > > > Regards > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - > > Release 11/10/2006 2:31 PM > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > ________ > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. > $310k for $999/mo. Calculate new payment! > www.LowerMyBills.com/lre > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release 11/10/2006 2:31 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Thanks Cahdrashekharji, So one should apply aspects from the house a planet is in regardless of direct or retro motion. What is the astronomical basis for special astects for outer planets. What about aspects of Rahu and Ketu( Some people use aspects of rahu and ketu). Thanks Satish --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > Dear Satish, > > I know that some do that. I do not find any support > for this in > classical texts. Actually there is an astronomical > reason for the > aspects and there is no reason that aspects be > counted backwards. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > SPK wrote: > > > > Chadrashekharji, > > > > I have seen some astologers take the aspects of > > retrograde grahas from the preceding house. Could > you > > please let us know whether this has any classical > > support. I do not use it this way, but that is > because > > it does not appeal to me logically. Appreciate if > you > > could shed some light on this. > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > There is nothing in the texts to suggest that. > > > Remember that planets > > > appear to be in retrograde motion due to the > > > difference in the motion of > > > earth and other planets, they do not actually > travel > > > in reverse direction. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > ashwin_062k wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my > doubt > > > on the following: > > > > > > > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a > > > direct motion we count > > > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except > for > > > rahu and ketu who > > > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me > if > > > I am wrong. > > > > > > > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the > > > birth chart, do we > > > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in > a > > > clockwise direction? > > > > or we have to consider the direction of the > > > planet's motion. > > > > > > > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > 268.14.2/528 - > > > Release 11/10/2006 2:31 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > Sponsored Link > > > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. > > $310k for $999/mo. Calculate new payment! > > www.LowerMyBills.com/lre > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - > Release 11/10/2006 2:31 PM > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Dear Satish, Yes. I do not consider aspects of Rahu and Ketu, though many do. Think about why do the inner planets have single aspects and the outer planets have multiple aspects and then try to draw the planets in scale in their relative position to earth and the astronomical reason would be clear. Take care, Chandrashekhar. SPK wrote: > > Thanks Cahdrashekharji, > > So one should apply aspects from the house a planet is > in regardless of direct or retro motion. What is the > astronomical basis for special astects for outer > planets. What about aspects of Rahu and Ketu( Some > people use aspects of rahu and ketu). > > Thanks > Satish > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > I know that some do that. I do not find any support > > for this in > > classical texts. Actually there is an astronomical > > reason for the > > aspects and there is no reason that aspects be > > counted backwards. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > SPK wrote: > > > > > > Chadrashekharji, > > > > > > I have seen some astologers take the aspects of > > > retrograde grahas from the preceding house. Could > > you > > > please let us know whether this has any classical > > > support. I do not use it this way, but that is > > because > > > it does not appeal to me logically. Appreciate if > > you > > > could shed some light on this. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > There is nothing in the texts to suggest that. > > > > Remember that planets > > > > appear to be in retrograde motion due to the > > > > difference in the motion of > > > > earth and other planets, they do not actually > > travel > > > > in reverse direction. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > ashwin_062k wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my > > doubt > > > > on the following: > > > > > > > > > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a > > > > direct motion we count > > > > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except > > for > > > > rahu and ketu who > > > > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me > > if > > > > I am wrong. > > > > > > > > > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the > > > > birth chart, do we > > > > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in > > a > > > > clockwise direction? > > > > > or we have to consider the direction of the > > > > planet's motion. > > > > > > > > > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > 268.14.2/528 - > > > > Release 11/10/2006 2:31 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > Sponsored Link > > > > > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. > > > $310k for $999/mo. Calculate new payment! > > > www.LowerMyBills.com/lre > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - > > Release 11/10/2006 2:31 PM > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > ________ > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > http://new.mail. <http://new.mail.> > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release 11/10/2006 2:31 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Dear Sridhar ji, No need to apologize for using the SI chart! It is as respected and valid a chart as the square NI one or the round EI one and so on. And it was clear from your description which one you were using. Hopefully my answer about retrograde drishti was useful to you. RR vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" <ashwin_062k wrote: > > Dear Sir > > yes, I saw your response and all other members of this group too. > Thanks for guiding me. > > I had gone through the responses by all members in this group and > other groups too. > > When I posted this query, I should have mentioned clearly that I > follow the "South Indian" style of chart. Please accept my sincere > apology. > > Regards > Sridhar > > vedic astrology, "Rohiniranjan" > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Sridhar, > > > > If you go to Jyotish_remedies, where you posted the identical > > question, you will find my answer there. > > > > Regards > > > > Ranjan > > > > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the > following: > > > > > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we > > count > > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu > who > > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong. > > > > > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do > we > > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise > > direction? > > > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion. > > > > > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > > > > > Regards > > > Sridhar > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Dear Chandrashekar Ji Could you please enlighten me about why the inner planets have a single aspect and the outer has multiple. I am a novice in astrology. Would apprecaite your thoughts. Regards Sridhar , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > Yes. I do not consider aspects of Rahu and Ketu, though many do. Think > about why do the inner planets have single aspects and the outer planets > have multiple aspects and then try to draw the planets in scale in their > relative position to earth and the astronomical reason would be clear. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > SPK wrote: > > > > Thanks Cahdrashekharji, > > > > So one should apply aspects from the house a planet is > > in regardless of direct or retro motion. What is the > > astronomical basis for special astects for outer > > planets. What about aspects of Rahu and Ketu( Some > > people use aspects of rahu and ketu). > > > > Thanks > > Satish > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > I know that some do that. I do not find any support > > > for this in > > > classical texts. Actually there is an astronomical > > > reason for the > > > aspects and there is no reason that aspects be > > > counted backwards. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > SPK wrote: > > > > > > > > Chadrashekharji, > > > > > > > > I have seen some astologers take the aspects of > > > > retrograde grahas from the preceding house. Could > > > you > > > > please let us know whether this has any classical > > > > support. I do not use it this way, but that is > > > because > > > > it does not appeal to me logically. Appreciate if > > > you > > > > could shed some light on this. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > There is nothing in the texts to suggest that. > > > > > Remember that planets > > > > > appear to be in retrograde motion due to the > > > > > difference in the motion of > > > > > earth and other planets, they do not actually > > > travel > > > > > in reverse direction. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > ashwin_062k wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my > > > doubt > > > > > on the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a > > > > > direct motion we count > > > > > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except > > > for > > > > > rahu and ketu who > > > > > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me > > > if > > > > > I am wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the > > > > > birth chart, do we > > > > > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in > > > a > > > > > clockwise direction? > > > > > > or we have to consider the direction of the > > > > > planet's motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: > > > 268.14.2/528 - > > > > > Release 11/10/2006 2:31 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Sponsored Link > > > > > > > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. > > > > $310k for $999/mo. Calculate new payment! > > > > www.LowerMyBills.com/lre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - > > > Release 11/10/2006 2:31 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > http://new.mail. <http://new.mail.> > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release 11/10/2006 2:31 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Dear Sir Absolutely useful and thanks once again for your support. As we are in this subject, I read one response on the same subject in another group. This was a discussion between two other leanered members on that group. From their postings, I came to understand that all inner planets have one aspect and the outer planets has multiple aspects. I have posted in that group a query to enlighten me the reason for this. I also take advantage of this posting and request the leanered members of this group to share your knowledge in this regard. Regards Sridhar vedic astrology, "Rohiniranjan" <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Dear Sridhar ji, > > No need to apologize for using the SI chart! It is as respected and > valid a chart as the square NI one or the round EI one and so on. And > it was clear from your description which one you were using. > > Hopefully my answer about retrograde drishti was useful to you. > > RR > > > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir > > > > yes, I saw your response and all other members of this group too. > > Thanks for guiding me. > > > > I had gone through the responses by all members in this group and > > other groups too. > > > > When I posted this query, I should have mentioned clearly that I > > follow the "South Indian" style of chart. Please accept my sincere > > apology. > > > > Regards > > Sridhar > > > > vedic astrology, "Rohiniranjan" > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Sridhar, > > > > > > If you go to Jyotish_remedies, where you posted the identical > > > question, you will find my answer there. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Ranjan > > > > > > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k" > > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the > > following: > > > > > > > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we > > > count > > > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu > > who > > > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong. > > > > > > > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do > > we > > > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise > > > direction? > > > > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion. > > > > > > > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Rohini, You do not consider Rahu and Ketu capable of causing Dhristi ? Are you astrologer or what ? What are you doing on this forum ? What is your existence as newcomer learner in this Forum of astrology or expert ? Why dont you read some basic books on astrology before making such comments. Sheenu . , "Rohiniranjan" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Sridhar ji, > > No question is ever silly, though many answers often are, or at least > can be! <not on this august forum, of course - ever ever!> > > Since no planet really is moving backwards but merely observed by our > earth-based orientation to appear to be moving backwards -- planets > only go forwards, and therefore their drishti, their glance, their > vision is always forward, counted counterclockwise in a north indian > diamond horoscope chart. In the south indian chart, which you were > presumably referring to, the drishti would be counted clockwise since > the signs are placed in that order, as if someone is viewing the sky > from south of the ecliptic (hence the order is cw). > > Rahu and ketu are mathematical points, which in their true motion can > move forwards and backwards, although their mean motion is always > backwards. I do not consider them capable of casting drishti so would > not comment on it. > > Some individuals report a special influence for retrograde planets in > the 12th from where they are located. This is not drishti and this > does not mean that the retrograde planet shifts back one house. This > is described in one of the nadis. Not everyone accepts that to be the > case. > > Written just as a forum member since I am not a gurujan. > > RR > > > > > > , "ashwin_062k" > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following: > > > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we > count > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong. > > > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise > direction? > > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion. > > > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > > > Regards > > Sridhar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Sheenu, I would be perfectly willing to remain a 'what?' until such time as you educate this neophyte beginner and demonstrate charts where you can demonstrate that rahu ketu have a drishti. That should be very simple for an erudite scholar like you (assuming you are one :-) RR , "sheenutiwari" <sheenutiwari wrote: > > Rohini, > > > You do not consider Rahu and Ketu capable of causing Dhristi ? > Are you astrologer or what ? > What are you doing on this forum ? > What is your existence as newcomer learner in this Forum of astrology > or expert ? > Why dont you read some basic books on astrology before making such > comments. > Sheenu . > > > > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sridhar ji, > > > > No question is ever silly, though many answers often are, or at > least > > can be! <not on this august forum, of course - ever ever!> > > > > Since no planet really is moving backwards but merely observed by > our > > earth-based orientation to appear to be moving backwards -- planets > > only go forwards, and therefore their drishti, their glance, their > > vision is always forward, counted counterclockwise in a north > indian > > diamond horoscope chart. In the south indian chart, which you were > > presumably referring to, the drishti would be counted clockwise > since > > the signs are placed in that order, as if someone is viewing the > sky > > from south of the ecliptic (hence the order is cw). > > > > Rahu and ketu are mathematical points, which in their true motion > can > > move forwards and backwards, although their mean motion is always > > backwards. I do not consider them capable of casting drishti so > would > > not comment on it. > > > > Some individuals report a special influence for retrograde planets > in > > the 12th from where they are located. This is not drishti and this > > does not mean that the retrograde planet shifts back one house. > This > > is described in one of the nadis. Not everyone accepts that to be > the > > case. > > > > Written just as a forum member since I am not a gurujan. > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashwin_062k" > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following: > > > > > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we > > count > > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who > > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong. > > > > > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we > > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise > > direction? > > > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion. > > > > > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question. > > > > > > Regards > > > Sridhar > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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