Aspect of Retrograde Planet

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Dear Gurujans

 

I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following:

 

When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we count

the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who

moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong.

 

If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we

still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise direction?

or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion.

 

Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

 

Regards

Sridhar

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vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k"

<ashwin_062k wrote:

>Dear Sridhar

Your doubt is genuine as it is one of many doubts which arise in the

beginning stages of learning. However, you will get answers to not

only this one but so many if you learn it properly under able guru

or work mathematically for yourself. I will tell you how:

1)The present doubt of yours comes under one of the six strengths of

a planet/sign called Shadbal. Under shadbal, we have sthaan, dig,

kala, chesta, naisargika and drig balas (order should be strictly

followed). Among all the six types, drig or aspectoral strength is

the only type which have both plus and minus sign attached to it.

Meaning, it can either add or deduct to the total obtained after

adding all the five strengths prior to drig.

2)While evaluating this strength, all the classical texts state that

the distance between the two planets viz., aspected by and aspecting

should be measured in terms of either whole or fractions of a sign

when counted in clockwise direction starting from the planet which

aspects.

3)While mentioning special aspects of bahya or exterior planets

viz., Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, Jupiter possess Poorna drishti on

the point in space which is exactly >= 120 to <=150, 180 and >=240

to <=270 from it. This means Jupiter view equally (Sama drishti) on

three points which are situated exactly at 135, 180 and 255 degrees

from him. This is called Pandita Samadrishti meaning scholars view

the world equally. So except for Jupiter all others do have Purna

drishti but not extend equally or symmetrically on either side.

4)Moreover, unlike Jaimini, where there are sign aspects (here there

is a discrimination of odd and even signs for which we have to count

either clockwise or anti-clockwise accordingly), here (i.e., in the

schools of Parasara, Varahamihira etc) we have no such feature

implying only clockwise reckoning.

5)If you are still not impressed, you can evaluate two ways of drig

bala and obtain the total shadbala and later apply it to the

determination of ayurdaya as per rules in Varahamihira and evaluate

accordingly the dasas (these dasas are different to Parasara) and

see their applicability in the actual cases.

6)I think to do this, you should be perfect in evaluating the

shadbal, ayurdaya, dasas which I doubt.

7)We at our organisation VEDA are doing such research for the past

20yrs, studying many cases under different schools of thought.

Hope you got the point

Regards

Jairadhe

> Dear Gurujans

>

> I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following:

>

> When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we

count

> the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who

> moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong.

>

> If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we

> still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise

direction?

> or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion.

>

> Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

>

> Regards

> Sridhar

>

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Dear Sir

 

Thanks for your time and effort to clarify my query.

 

I started showing interest in understanding this great science since

last year. As you said in your posting below, if we learn this

through a "Guru", we get answers for too many doubts that we may

have at the beginning.

 

I will try to do the same, when I am back to our country.

 

Thanks once again for your effort

 

Regards

Sridhar

 

vedic astrology, "vrajleela" <vrajleela

wrote:

>

> vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k"

> <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> >Dear Sridhar

> Your doubt is genuine as it is one of many doubts which arise in

the

> beginning stages of learning. However, you will get answers to not

> only this one but so many if you learn it properly under able guru

> or work mathematically for yourself. I will tell you how:

> 1)The present doubt of yours comes under one of the six strengths

of

> a planet/sign called Shadbal. Under shadbal, we have sthaan, dig,

> kala, chesta, naisargika and drig balas (order should be strictly

> followed). Among all the six types, drig or aspectoral strength is

> the only type which have both plus and minus sign attached to it.

> Meaning, it can either add or deduct to the total obtained after

> adding all the five strengths prior to drig.

> 2)While evaluating this strength, all the classical texts state

that

> the distance between the two planets viz., aspected by and

aspecting

> should be measured in terms of either whole or fractions of a sign

> when counted in clockwise direction starting from the planet which

> aspects.

> 3)While mentioning special aspects of bahya or exterior planets

> viz., Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, Jupiter possess Poorna drishti on

> the point in space which is exactly >= 120 to <=150, 180 and >=240

> to <=270 from it. This means Jupiter view equally (Sama drishti)

on

> three points which are situated exactly at 135, 180 and 255

degrees

> from him. This is called Pandita Samadrishti meaning scholars view

> the world equally. So except for Jupiter all others do have Purna

> drishti but not extend equally or symmetrically on either side.

> 4)Moreover, unlike Jaimini, where there are sign aspects (here

there

> is a discrimination of odd and even signs for which we have to

count

> either clockwise or anti-clockwise accordingly), here (i.e., in

the

> schools of Parasara, Varahamihira etc) we have no such feature

> implying only clockwise reckoning.

> 5)If you are still not impressed, you can evaluate two ways of

drig

> bala and obtain the total shadbala and later apply it to the

> determination of ayurdaya as per rules in Varahamihira and

evaluate

> accordingly the dasas (these dasas are different to Parasara) and

> see their applicability in the actual cases.

> 6)I think to do this, you should be perfect in evaluating the

> shadbal, ayurdaya, dasas which I doubt.

> 7)We at our organisation VEDA are doing such research for the past

> 20yrs, studying many cases under different schools of thought.

> Hope you got the point

> Regards

> Jairadhe

> > Dear Gurujans

> >

> > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the

following:

> >

> > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we

> count

> > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu

who

> > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong.

> >

> > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do

we

> > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise

> direction?

> > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion.

> >

> > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

> >

> > Regards

> > Sridhar

> >

>

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Namaste, Sridhar.

 

I was taught to only count the houses backward for the nodes; i.e., Rahu and

Kethu. Retrograde planets act from the house they are in AND the preceding

house.and aspects should be reckoned from both places.

 

Namaste, David

 

 

 

dvdlagr (AT) valornet (DOT) com

[Guest guest]

Salam!

 

I am a novice in the field and a very humble student

of Astrology.I was taught that the aspects of planets

are counted anti clockwise from the house they are

placed in.No matter retrograde or not or nodes.

 

Please somebody guide.

 

Dr. Irtiza

 

--- David LaGrone <dvdlagr (AT) valornet (DOT) com> wrote:

 

> Namaste, Sridhar.

>

> I was taught to only count the houses backward for

> the nodes; i.e., Rahu and

> Kethu. Retrograde planets act from the house they

> are in AND the preceding

> house.and aspects should be reckoned from both

> places.

>

> Namaste, David

>

>

>

> dvdlagr (AT) valornet (DOT) com

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sridhar ji,

 

No question is ever silly, though many answers often are, or at least

can be! <not on this august forum, of course - ever ever!>

 

Since no planet really is moving backwards but merely observed by our

earth-based orientation to appear to be moving backwards -- planets

only go forwards, and therefore their drishti, their glance, their

vision is always forward, counted counterclockwise in a north indian

diamond horoscope chart. In the south indian chart, which you were

presumably referring to, the drishti would be counted clockwise since

the signs are placed in that order, as if someone is viewing the sky

from south of the ecliptic (hence the order is cw).

 

Rahu and ketu are mathematical points, which in their true motion can

move forwards and backwards, although their mean motion is always

backwards. I do not consider them capable of casting drishti so would

not comment on it.

 

Some individuals report a special influence for retrograde planets in

the 12th from where they are located. This is not drishti and this

does not mean that the retrograde planet shifts back one house. This

is described in one of the nadis. Not everyone accepts that to be the

case.

 

Written just as a forum member since I am not a gurujan.

 

RR

 

 

 

 

 

, "ashwin_062k"

<ashwin_062k wrote:

>

> Dear Gurujans

>

> I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following:

>

> When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we

count

> the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who

> moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong.

>

> If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we

> still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise

direction?

> or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion.

>

> Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

>

> Regards

> Sridhar

>

[Guest guest]

Sridhar,

 

If you go to Jyotish_remedies, where you posted the identical

question, you will find my answer there.

 

Regards

 

Ranjan

 

vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k"

<ashwin_062k wrote:

>

> Dear Gurujans

>

> I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following:

>

> When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we

count

> the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who

> moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong.

>

> If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we

> still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise

direction?

> or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion.

>

> Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

>

> Regards

> Sridhar

>

[Guest guest]

, "ashwin_062k" <ashwin_062k

wrote:

>

> Dear Gurujans

>

> I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following:

>

> When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we

count

> the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who

> moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong.

>

> If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we

> still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise

direction?

> or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion.

>

> Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

>

> Regards

> Sridhar

>

[Guest guest]

Sir

Mr chandrasekhar clarified it.

He is correct no furthur clarification is not necessary

 

-- In , "ashwin_062k" <ashwin_062k

wrote:

>

> Dear Gurujans

>

> I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following:

>

> When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we

count

> the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who

> moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong.

>

> If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we

> still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise

direction?

> or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion.

>

> Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

>

> Regards

> Sridhar

>

[Guest guest]

dear david

 

as per all vedic astrology classics, planets give aspects from the

position they are in and are never counted backwards for aspects

while in retrogression.

 

retrogression (gati) has no bearing on the aspects of the planets.

if all the five planets are not counted backwards for aspects while

in retrogression, how can you apply this as a rule to just rahu and

ketu because they are in retrogression.

 

if you have come across any vedic classic which mentions that we have

to count backwards for calculating the aspects of any planet in

retrogression(why only rahu and ketu) i stand educated.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

 

vedic astrology, "David LaGrone" <dvdlagr

wrote:

>

> Namaste, Sridhar.

>

> I was taught to only count the houses backward for the nodes; i.e.,

Rahu and

> Kethu. Retrograde planets act from the house they are in AND the

preceding

> house.and aspects should be reckoned from both places.

>

> Namaste, David

>

>

>

> dvdlagr

>

>

>

>

>

>

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vedic astrology, Irtiza Dr Tauqeer

<tirtiza wrote:

>Dear Irtiza,

As you mentioned :"the aspects of planets are counted anti clockwise

from the house they are placed in.No matter retrograde or not or

nodes" is not correct. You can verify my answer

Jairadhe

> Salam!

>

> I am a novice in the field and a very humble student

> of Astrology.I was taught that the aspects of planets

> are counted anti clockwise from the house they are

> placed in.No matter retrograde or not or nodes.

>

> Please somebody guide.

>

> Dr. Irtiza

>

> --- David LaGrone <dvdlagr wrote:

>

> > Namaste, Sridhar.

> >

> > I was taught to only count the houses backward for

> > the nodes; i.e., Rahu and

> > Kethu. Retrograde planets act from the house they

> > are in AND the preceding

> > house.and aspects should be reckoned from both

> > places.

> >

> > Namaste, David

> >

> >

> >

> > dvdlagr

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>Dear members,

For clarification of aspectoral strength (this is the exact context

in which the present topic lies), if we apply retrograde rule we

will end in a fix, as the luminaries do not have such reverse

motion. Hence, though the tara-grahas (kujaadi pancha grahas) have

both direct and reverse, luminaries have only direct while "MEAN

NODES" have reverse motion (though "TRUE NODES" have both direct and

reverse motions - see Lahiri's ephemeris). Therefore, other than

Jaimini school - where we do not have planetary aspects but sign

aspects, which is why the Sage highlights this extraordinary feature

of his school of thought in the 2nd to 4th sutra of his Upadesa

Sutras itself - all other schools adopt clockwise reckoning of both

signs and planets. Therefore, it is the school that matters while

studying the Absolute Truth and thereby we should apply rules

strictly accordingly and should not mix them. You can verify my

explanation in this forum if you wish so.

Jairadhe

 

> dear david

>

> as per all vedic astrology classics, planets give aspects from the

> position they are in and are never counted backwards for aspects

> while in retrogression.

>

> retrogression (gati) has no bearing on the aspects of the

planets.

> if all the five planets are not counted backwards for aspects

while

> in retrogression, how can you apply this as a rule to just rahu

and

> ketu because they are in retrogression.

>

> if you have come across any vedic classic which mentions that we

have

> to count backwards for calculating the aspects of any planet in

> retrogression(why only rahu and ketu) i stand educated.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "David LaGrone" <dvdlagr@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste, Sridhar.

> >

> > I was taught to only count the houses backward for the nodes;

i.e.,

> Rahu and

> > Kethu. Retrograde planets act from the house they are in AND the

> preceding

> > house.and aspects should be reckoned from both places.

> >

> > Namaste, David

> >

> >

> >

> > dvdlagr@

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Mr. LaGrone,

 

That makes impact of nodes on all the 12 houses.

 

Vinkum

 

vedic astrology, "David LaGrone"

<dvdlagr wrote:

>

> Namaste, Sridhar.

>

> I was taught to only count the houses backward for the nodes;

i.e., Rahu and

> Kethu. Retrograde planets act from the house they are in AND the

preceding

> house.and aspects should be reckoned from both places.

>

> Namaste, David

>

>

>

> dvdlagr

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pandit Jee!

 

I had given opinion that the aspects are calculated

anticlockwise from the house where planets are placed

in.But one member of this club has differed from

me.However, what I have understood from your message

is that I was right.

 

Please advise

 

Regards,

 

Dr. Irtiza

 

--- panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote:

 

> dear david

>

> as per all vedic astrology classics, planets give

> aspects from the

> position they are in and are never counted backwards

> for aspects

> while in retrogression.

>

> retrogression (gati) has no bearing on the aspects

> of the planets.

> if all the five planets are not counted backwards

> for aspects while

> in retrogression, how can you apply this as a rule

> to just rahu and

> ketu because they are in retrogression.

>

> if you have come across any vedic classic which

> mentions that we have

> to count backwards for calculating the aspects of

> any planet in

> retrogression(why only rahu and ketu) i stand

> educated.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "David

> LaGrone" <dvdlagr

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste, Sridhar.

> >

> > I was taught to only count the houses backward for

> the nodes; i.e.,

> Rahu and

> > Kethu. Retrograde planets act from the house they

> are in AND the

> preceding

> > house.and aspects should be reckoned from both

> places.

> >

> > Namaste, David

> >

> >

> >

> > dvdlagr

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sir

 

yes, I saw your response and all other members of this group too.

Thanks for guiding me.

 

I had gone through the responses by all members in this group and

other groups too.

 

When I posted this query, I should have mentioned clearly that I

follow the "South Indian" style of chart. Please accept my sincere

apology.

 

Regards

Sridhar

 

vedic astrology, "Rohiniranjan"

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Sridhar,

>

> If you go to Jyotish_remedies, where you posted the identical

> question, you will find my answer there.

>

> Regards

>

> Ranjan

>

> vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k"

> <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujans

> >

> > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the

following:

> >

> > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we

> count

> > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu

who

> > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong.

> >

> > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do

we

> > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise

> direction?

> > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion.

> >

> > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

> >

> > Regards

> > Sridhar

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Chadrashekharji,

 

I have seen some astologers take the aspects of

retrograde grahas from the preceding house. Could you

please let us know whether this has any classical

support. I do not use it this way, but that is because

it does not appeal to me logically. Appreciate if you

could shed some light on this.

 

Thanks

 

Satish

 

--- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

 

> Dear Sridhar,

> There is nothing in the texts to suggest that.

> Remember that planets

> appear to be in retrograde motion due to the

> difference in the motion of

> earth and other planets, they do not actually travel

> in reverse direction.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> ashwin_062k wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujans

> >

> > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt

> on the following:

> >

> > When we determine the aspects of planets in a

> direct motion we count

> > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for

> rahu and ketu who

> > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if

> I am wrong.

> >

> > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the

> birth chart, do we

> > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a

> clockwise direction?

> > or we have to consider the direction of the

> planet's motion.

> >

> > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

> >

> > Regards

> > Sridhar

> >

> >

> >

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Hi All,

Pandit Arjun ji is absolutely correct, but there is an exception to the Principle stated by Sir. If the Lagnesha were to be Retrograde, it shall always occupy the house previous to which it is located, even though Rashi would remain the same.

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Dear Satish,

 

I know that some do that. I do not find any support for this in

classical texts. Actually there is an astronomical reason for the

aspects and there is no reason that aspects be counted backwards.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

SPK wrote:

>

> Chadrashekharji,

>

> I have seen some astologers take the aspects of

> retrograde grahas from the preceding house. Could you

> please let us know whether this has any classical

> support. I do not use it this way, but that is because

> it does not appeal to me logically. Appreciate if you

> could shed some light on this.

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

>

> --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk

> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Sridhar,

> > There is nothing in the texts to suggest that.

> > Remember that planets

> > appear to be in retrograde motion due to the

> > difference in the motion of

> > earth and other planets, they do not actually travel

> > in reverse direction.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > ashwin_062k wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gurujans

> > >

> > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt

> > on the following:

> > >

> > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a

> > direct motion we count

> > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for

> > rahu and ketu who

> > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if

> > I am wrong.

> > >

> > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the

> > birth chart, do we

> > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a

> > clockwise direction?

> > > or we have to consider the direction of the

> > planet's motion.

> > >

> > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Sridhar

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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Thanks Cahdrashekharji,

 

So one should apply aspects from the house a planet is

in regardless of direct or retro motion. What is the

astronomical basis for special astects for outer

planets. What about aspects of Rahu and Ketu( Some

people use aspects of rahu and ketu).

 

Thanks

Satish

 

--- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

 

> Dear Satish,

>

> I know that some do that. I do not find any support

> for this in

> classical texts. Actually there is an astronomical

> reason for the

> aspects and there is no reason that aspects be

> counted backwards.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> SPK wrote:

> >

> > Chadrashekharji,

> >

> > I have seen some astologers take the aspects of

> > retrograde grahas from the preceding house. Could

> you

> > please let us know whether this has any classical

> > support. I do not use it this way, but that is

> because

> > it does not appeal to me logically. Appreciate if

> you

> > could shed some light on this.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk

> > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > There is nothing in the texts to suggest that.

> > > Remember that planets

> > > appear to be in retrograde motion due to the

> > > difference in the motion of

> > > earth and other planets, they do not actually

> travel

> > > in reverse direction.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > ashwin_062k wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > >

> > > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my

> doubt

> > > on the following:

> > > >

> > > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a

> > > direct motion we count

> > > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except

> for

> > > rahu and ketu who

> > > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me

> if

> > > I am wrong.

> > > >

> > > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the

> > > birth chart, do we

> > > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in

> a

> > > clockwise direction?

> > > > or we have to consider the direction of the

> > > planet's motion.

> > > >

> > > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Sridhar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Dear Satish,

 

Yes. I do not consider aspects of Rahu and Ketu, though many do. Think

about why do the inner planets have single aspects and the outer planets

have multiple aspects and then try to draw the planets in scale in their

relative position to earth and the astronomical reason would be clear.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

SPK wrote:

>

> Thanks Cahdrashekharji,

>

> So one should apply aspects from the house a planet is

> in regardless of direct or retro motion. What is the

> astronomical basis for special astects for outer

> planets. What about aspects of Rahu and Ketu( Some

> people use aspects of rahu and ketu).

>

> Thanks

> Satish

>

> --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk

> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish,

> >

> > I know that some do that. I do not find any support

> > for this in

> > classical texts. Actually there is an astronomical

> > reason for the

> > aspects and there is no reason that aspects be

> > counted backwards.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> > SPK wrote:

> > >

> > > Chadrashekharji,

> > >

> > > I have seen some astologers take the aspects of

> > > retrograde grahas from the preceding house. Could

> > you

> > > please let us know whether this has any classical

> > > support. I do not use it this way, but that is

> > because

> > > it does not appeal to me logically. Appreciate if

> > you

> > > could shed some light on this.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

> > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk

> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > There is nothing in the texts to suggest that.

> > > > Remember that planets

> > > > appear to be in retrograde motion due to the

> > > > difference in the motion of

> > > > earth and other planets, they do not actually

> > travel

> > > > in reverse direction.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > ashwin_062k wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > >

> > > > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my

> > doubt

> > > > on the following:

> > > > >

> > > > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a

> > > > direct motion we count

> > > > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except

> > for

> > > > rahu and ketu who

> > > > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me

> > if

> > > > I am wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the

> > > > birth chart, do we

> > > > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in

> > a

> > > > clockwise direction?

> > > > > or we have to consider the direction of the

> > > > planet's motion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Sridhar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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Dear Sridhar ji,

 

No need to apologize for using the SI chart! It is as respected and

valid a chart as the square NI one or the round EI one and so on. And

it was clear from your description which one you were using.

 

Hopefully my answer about retrograde drishti was useful to you.

 

RR

 

 

vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k"

<ashwin_062k wrote:

>

> Dear Sir

>

> yes, I saw your response and all other members of this group too.

> Thanks for guiding me.

>

> I had gone through the responses by all members in this group and

> other groups too.

>

> When I posted this query, I should have mentioned clearly that I

> follow the "South Indian" style of chart. Please accept my sincere

> apology.

>

> Regards

> Sridhar

>

> vedic astrology, "Rohiniranjan"

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Sridhar,

> >

> > If you go to Jyotish_remedies, where you posted the identical

> > question, you will find my answer there.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Ranjan

> >

> > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k"

> > <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gurujans

> > >

> > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the

> following:

> > >

> > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we

> > count

> > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu

> who

> > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong.

> > >

> > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do

> we

> > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise

> > direction?

> > > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion.

> > >

> > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Sridhar

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrashekar Ji

 

Could you please enlighten me about why the inner planets have a

single aspect and the outer has multiple.

 

I am a novice in astrology. Would apprecaite your thoughts.

 

Regards

Sridhar

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Satish,

>

> Yes. I do not consider aspects of Rahu and Ketu, though many do.

Think

> about why do the inner planets have single aspects and the outer

planets

> have multiple aspects and then try to draw the planets in scale in

their

> relative position to earth and the astronomical reason would be

clear.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> SPK wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Cahdrashekharji,

> >

> > So one should apply aspects from the house a planet is

> > in regardless of direct or retro motion. What is the

> > astronomical basis for special astects for outer

> > planets. What about aspects of Rahu and Ketu( Some

> > people use aspects of rahu and ketu).

> >

> > Thanks

> > Satish

> >

> > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Satish,

> > >

> > > I know that some do that. I do not find any support

> > > for this in

> > > classical texts. Actually there is an astronomical

> > > reason for the

> > > aspects and there is no reason that aspects be

> > > counted backwards.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > SPK wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > >

> > > > I have seen some astologers take the aspects of

> > > > retrograde grahas from the preceding house. Could

> > > you

> > > > please let us know whether this has any classical

> > > > support. I do not use it this way, but that is

> > > because

> > > > it does not appeal to me logically. Appreciate if

> > > you

> > > > could shed some light on this.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > >

> > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > There is nothing in the texts to suggest that.

> > > > > Remember that planets

> > > > > appear to be in retrograde motion due to the

> > > > > difference in the motion of

> > > > > earth and other planets, they do not actually

> > > travel

> > > > > in reverse direction.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > ashwin_062k wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my

> > > doubt

> > > > > on the following:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a

> > > > > direct motion we count

> > > > > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except

> > > for

> > > > > rahu and ketu who

> > > > > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me

> > > if

> > > > > I am wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the

> > > > > birth chart, do we

> > > > > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in

> > > a

> > > > > clockwise direction?

> > > > > > or we have to consider the direction of the

> > > > > planet's motion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Sridhar

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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Dear Sir

 

Absolutely useful and thanks once again for your support.

 

As we are in this subject, I read one response on the same subject

in another group. This was a discussion between two other leanered

members on that group. From their postings, I came to understand

that all inner planets have one aspect and the outer planets has

multiple aspects.

 

I have posted in that group a query to enlighten me the reason for

this.

 

I also take advantage of this posting and request the leanered

members of this group to share your knowledge in this regard.

 

Regards

Sridhar

 

vedic astrology, "Rohiniranjan"

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Dear Sridhar ji,

>

> No need to apologize for using the SI chart! It is as respected

and

> valid a chart as the square NI one or the round EI one and so on.

And

> it was clear from your description which one you were using.

>

> Hopefully my answer about retrograde drishti was useful to you.

>

> RR

>

>

> vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k"

> <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir

> >

> > yes, I saw your response and all other members of this group

too.

> > Thanks for guiding me.

> >

> > I had gone through the responses by all members in this group

and

> > other groups too.

> >

> > When I posted this query, I should have mentioned clearly that I

> > follow the "South Indian" style of chart. Please accept my

sincere

> > apology.

> >

> > Regards

> > Sridhar

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Rohiniranjan"

> > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sridhar,

> > >

> > > If you go to Jyotish_remedies, where you posted the identical

> > > question, you will find my answer there.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Ranjan

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "ashwin_062k"

> > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > >

> > > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the

> > following:

> > > >

> > > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion

we

> > > count

> > > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and

ketu

> > who

> > > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am

wrong.

> > > >

> > > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart,

do

> > we

> > > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise

> > > direction?

> > > > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion.

> > > >

> > > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Sridhar

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rohini,

 

 

You do not consider Rahu and Ketu capable of causing Dhristi ?

Are you astrologer or what ?

What are you doing on this forum ?

What is your existence as newcomer learner in this Forum of astrology

or expert ?

Why dont you read some basic books on astrology before making such

comments.

Sheenu .

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear Sridhar ji,

>

> No question is ever silly, though many answers often are, or at

least

> can be! <not on this august forum, of course - ever ever!>

>

> Since no planet really is moving backwards but merely observed by

our

> earth-based orientation to appear to be moving backwards -- planets

> only go forwards, and therefore their drishti, their glance, their

> vision is always forward, counted counterclockwise in a north

indian

> diamond horoscope chart. In the south indian chart, which you were

> presumably referring to, the drishti would be counted clockwise

since

> the signs are placed in that order, as if someone is viewing the

sky

> from south of the ecliptic (hence the order is cw).

>

> Rahu and ketu are mathematical points, which in their true motion

can

> move forwards and backwards, although their mean motion is always

> backwards. I do not consider them capable of casting drishti so

would

> not comment on it.

>

> Some individuals report a special influence for retrograde planets

in

> the 12th from where they are located. This is not drishti and this

> does not mean that the retrograde planet shifts back one house.

This

> is described in one of the nadis. Not everyone accepts that to be

the

> case.

>

> Written just as a forum member since I am not a gurujan.

>

> RR

>

>

>

>

>

> , "ashwin_062k"

> <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujans

> >

> > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the following:

> >

> > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we

> count

> > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu who

> > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong.

> >

> > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do we

> > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise

> direction?

> > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion.

> >

> > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

> >

> > Regards

> > Sridhar

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sheenu,

 

I would be perfectly willing to remain a 'what?' until such time as

you educate this neophyte beginner and demonstrate charts where you

can demonstrate that rahu ketu have a drishti.

 

That should be very simple for an erudite scholar like you (assuming

you are one :-)

 

RR

 

, "sheenutiwari"

<sheenutiwari wrote:

>

> Rohini,

>

>

> You do not consider Rahu and Ketu capable of causing Dhristi ?

> Are you astrologer or what ?

> What are you doing on this forum ?

> What is your existence as newcomer learner in this Forum of

astrology

> or expert ?

> Why dont you read some basic books on astrology before making such

> comments.

> Sheenu .

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sridhar ji,

> >

> > No question is ever silly, though many answers often are, or at

> least

> > can be! <not on this august forum, of course - ever ever!>

> >

> > Since no planet really is moving backwards but merely observed by

> our

> > earth-based orientation to appear to be moving backwards --

planets

> > only go forwards, and therefore their drishti, their glance,

their

> > vision is always forward, counted counterclockwise in a north

> indian

> > diamond horoscope chart. In the south indian chart, which you

were

> > presumably referring to, the drishti would be counted clockwise

> since

> > the signs are placed in that order, as if someone is viewing the

> sky

> > from south of the ecliptic (hence the order is cw).

> >

> > Rahu and ketu are mathematical points, which in their true motion

> can

> > move forwards and backwards, although their mean motion is always

> > backwards. I do not consider them capable of casting drishti so

> would

> > not comment on it.

> >

> > Some individuals report a special influence for retrograde

planets

> in

> > the 12th from where they are located. This is not drishti and

this

> > does not mean that the retrograde planet shifts back one house.

> This

> > is described in one of the nadis. Not everyone accepts that to be

> the

> > case.

> >

> > Written just as a forum member since I am not a gurujan.

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "ashwin_062k"

> > <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gurujans

> > >

> > > I would appreciate if you could clarify my doubt on the

following:

> > >

> > > When we determine the aspects of planets in a direct motion we

> > count

> > > the houses in a clockwise direction (except for rahu and ketu

who

> > > moves in retrograde motion always). Correct me if I am wrong.

> > >

> > > If we have a planet which is retrograde in the birth chart, do

we

> > > still calculate the Aspects for that planet in a clockwise

> > direction?

> > > or we have to consider the direction of the planet's motion.

> > >

> > > Please pardon me, if this is a silly question.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Sridhar

> > >

> >

>