Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2006 srimate ramanujaya namah Dear Astikas, I saw a notice from Sri Sadagopan from last month wherein the date for celebrating Sri Jayanti was discussed. The summary was that Ahobila Matham and Pancaratra Sri Jayanti fell on Sept 15, 2006, and Munitrayam Sri Jayanti fell on Sept 14. My calculations based on the astronomical ephemeris don't support these dates, and I'm seeking clarification from members. Here is what I have, calculated for Chennai time: September 14, 2006, @ Sunrise, calculated for Chennai: Sunrise @ 6:01 AM Day: Thursday Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (95.79% left) Nakshatra: Rohini (12.79% left) By this calculation, everything is in place for observation of Pancaratra (Ahobila Matham) Sri Jayanti on September 14 itself according to India time. Similarly, because there is coincidence of Ashtami and Rohini on September 14, Sri Jayanti for Munitrayam sampradayins should be observed on this day as well. There is no obvious reason why Sri Jayanti should be pushed to September 15 for any reason in any sampradayam. Learned members are requested to clarify. adiyen ramanuja dasan Mani Note 1: I am planning on observing Sri Jayanti on September 13 (Munitrayam) in California because that is when the Ashtami-Rohini samyogam occurs in my timezone. Note 2: There was a statement earlier that "JanmAshtmi Vratham (GokulAshtami) is not recommended for celebration by VaishNavAs." This is incorrect. Sri Gopala Desikacharya has specifically stated that in some circumstances the Janmashtami vratam is to be observed. Please refer to Sri Jayanti Nirnaya. This is referred to by Sri Villivalam Azhagiya Singar in his purvashrama work, Ahnika Grantham, as follows "... pradhAna vratam viDakkUDAdAkaiyAl mun dinattil janmAshTamI vratamum marudinattil jayantI vratamum anushTikkattakkaddu." (p. 93). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 10, 2006 , "Mani Varadarajan" <mani2 wrote: > > discussed. The summary was that Ahobila Matham and > Pancaratra Sri Jayanti fell on Sept 15, 2006, and > Munitrayam Sri Jayanti fell on Sept 14. > > My calculations based on the astronomical ephemeris > don't support these dates, and I'm seeking clarification > from members. Both Pambu Panchangam and Sri Rangam Kovil Vakkiya Panchangam confirm the above dates. That is, Munithraiya Sri Jayanthi is on Sep 14th and Sri Pancharatra Sri Jayanthi (Sri Ahobila Matam) is on Sep 15th. This is for India. For the U.S. from East coast to West coast, the Munithraiya Sri Jayanthi is on Sep 13th and Pancharathra Sri Jayanthi is on Sep 14th. More clarification later. The following discussion is not for the light of heart. If all you are interested is the final answer, then, here is what you need to know: Srijayanthi in India: Sep 14th (Munithraiyam) and 15th (Sri Sannidhi) Srijayanthi in U.S.: Sep 13th (Munithraiyam) and 14th (Sri Sannidhi) > > Here is what I have, calculated for Chennai time: > > September 14, 2006, @ Sunrise, calculated for Chennai: > Sunrise @ 6:01 AM > Day: Thursday > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (95.79% left) > Nakshatra: Rohini (12.79% left) The above data does not correspond with the traditional numbers. Traditional scholars in India use Suddha Vakkiya Panchangam such as Pambu Panchangam. This is a better source than scientific calculations as the rihis of yore obviously used traditional calculations to record the divine events. Here is what is published in Pambu Panchangam: For Thanjavoor: Sunrise 6:06 AM Sep 14th: Rohini 23.31 nA., Saptami 12.48 nA. Sep 15th: Mrugasheersham 23.29 nA., Ashtami 10.47 nA. The rules for determining Sri Jayanthi is quite convoluted. Refer to Srimad Azhagiya Singar's Ahnika Grantham for details. For Munithraiya Sri Jayanthi, this text gives 15 points of clarification. However, it is sufficient here to observe that if Rohini and Ashtami is present even for a vinadi, then Sri Jayanthi must be observed on that day for Munithraiya Sishyas. Based on the Pambu panchangam data given above, that day for Vyaya Varusham (2006) is indeed September 14th, Thursday in India. Now, for Pancharathra (Sri Ahobila Matam) Sri Jayanthi, the rule is somewhat more involved than Munithraiyam. To summarize, the requirement is for Ashtami and Rohini to be present without Saptami and Krithikai at sunrise. From the Pambu Panchangam data given above, this does not occur on the same day. In such a case the rule is to observe Sri Jayanthi on the day with Rohini (without Krithigai at sunrise) and Navami or, the day with Mrugasheersham and Navami. Applying this secondary rule we see that Sep 15th has Mrugasheersham and Navami. Thus, Sep 15th is Pancharathra Sri Jayanthi in India. For the U.S. Eastern time zone (New York) sunrise: 7:34 AM. Sep 13th: Saptami 45.48 nA., Rohini 56.31 Sep 14th: Ashtami 43.47 nA. Mrugasheersham 56.29 nA. For Munithraiyam the primary rule does not hold. One of the secondary rules (conjunction of Rohini and Ashtami at least at night) occurs on Sep 13th night. So, Munithraiya Sri Jayanthi is on Sep 13th. This is so for the entire U.S.A. For Pancharathra (Sri Ahobila Matam) also, the primary rule does not apply. One of the secondary rules is the conjunction of Mrugasheerham and Navami. This occurs on Sep 14th in the U.S. > > Note 2: There was a statement earlier that "JanmAshtmi > Vratham (GokulAshtami) is not recommended for celebration by > VaishNavAs." This is incorrect. Sri Gopala Desikacharya > has specifically stated that in some circumstances the > Janmashtami vratam is to be observed. Please refer to > Sri Jayanti Nirnaya. This is referred to by Sri Villivalam > Azhagiya Singar in his purvashrama work, Ahnika Grantham, > as follows "... pradhAna vratam viDakkUDAdAkaiyAl mun > dinattil janmAshTamI vratamum marudinattil jayantI vratamum > anushTikkattakkaddu." (p. 93). I think in stead of "incorrect", I would say inaccurate. The statement is indeed true for Sri Sannidhi sishyas. There is no need for Janmashtami vradham for Sri Sannidhi Shishyas. The separation of janmashtami Vradham and Sri Jayanthi vradham is only of Munithraiya Sishyas. Also, this separation is only if both Rohini and Ashtami occur with Karthiakai and Saptami at sunrise respectively. One unanswered question is at what time Sri Jayanthi Aradhanam is to be performed. There is no doubt for sishyas in India, it is during the midnight hour. However, for sishyas in the U.S. if we adjust for time difference it will be around 3 PM eastern time. After all, when the Lord was born it was afternoon here in the U.S. Thank you, -- Dileepan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 11, 2006 srimate ramanujaya namah Dear Sri Dileepan and other Astikas, Thank you for your clarification. It appears that the calculation supporting the date of September 15 for Pancaratra Sri Jayanti is based on the formulas of the Vakya Panchangam. What's not clear to me is why the Vakya Panchangam is accorded any greater holiness than scientific calculations. As far as I understand, the Vakya Panchangam's basis is not "rishi prokta" but is only the record of the scientific formulae known to the extent possible in the time of their recording, which is in the first few centuries A.D. There were differing panchangams even in those days (in Karnataka it has long been in vogue to present calculations according to both Vakya and Siddhanta conventions, for example). I am more comfortable following what corresponds to the scientific positions of the planets as a basis for dating. Certainly others may be more comfortable in observing based on old formulae, no matter how much they may differ from observed phenomena. (For example, if the Vakya panchangam's formulae were used to observe eclipses, we would totally miss the eclipses, doing tarpanam, mantra japam, aradhanam, etc., at the wrong times, i.e., outside the period of the eclipse! Even the most rigorous Vaidika adjusts based on observed phenomena. I fail to see the logic in not adjusting for other observations as well. Re: when to do aradhanam I feel it makes more sense to do the aradhanam according to when the phenomena occur in one's local time zone. For example, we do snAnam, sandhyA, ijyA, according to the timings appropriate for our locality. Similarly, we should observe Sri Krishna's birth as if it occurred in our local time when the astronomical phenomena are present in the heavens, i.e., during the local vrishabha lagna. This would put Sri Jayanti this year before midnight local time, irrespective of locality. This is my humble opinion based on reading the nirnaya shastras. For example, the time for observing these feasts and fasts is adjusted even in India from city to city, depending on local phenomena -- sunrise, moonrise, lagna, etc. It should be the same across continents. With regards, and in fond anticipation of the sweet memory of Sri Krishna no matter what the locality or the date, adiyen ramanuja dasan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 11, 2006 Dear Bhagavatas: I entirely agree with the observations of Sri Mani Varadarajan Swamin when he says - "I feel it makes more sense to do the aradhanam according >to when the phenomena occur in one's local time zone. For >example, we do snAnam, sandhyA, ijyA, according to the >timings appropriate for our locality. Similarly, we should >observe Sri Krishna's birth as if it occurred in our local >time when the astronomical phenomena are present in the >heavens, i.e., during the local vrishabha lagna. This >would put Sri Jayanti this year before midnight local time, >irrespective of locality. This is my humble opinion based >on reading the nirnaya shastras. For example, the time >for observing these feasts and fasts is adjusted even in >India from city to city, depending on local phenomena -- >sunrise, moonrise, lagna, etc. It should be the same >across continents" =================================================================== I would like to invite you to a question raised by a member on observing Rahu Kalam in Italy and my answer to that question. I am reproducing the same for your information. vide Message 7147 dated 3rd April 2006. I have checked it with asmad Acharyan, H.H.Srimad Andavan, Poundarikapuram Swami Asramam and he has concurred in my view. Accordingly, it would make sense if we follow the same whatever Panchangam we have in "Bharaata Varsha, Bhjaratah khaNDa", observing the same Tithi, Vaara, Nakshatra, yoga and KaraNa with reference to the local time of Sunrise and Sunset in any part of the world and a recalculation based on Time zone differences need not be resorted to. Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy ==================================================================== SrI: Dear Sara, Our Sri Anbil Ramaswamy had written the response as below. Hope this helps Regards Namo Narayana madhavakkannan ---- Dear friend: My take on the subject is as follows: The day is divided into 5 parts called Abhigamanam, Upaadaanam, Ijya, Svaadhyaayam and YOga. Approximately, each period will be around 2 1/2 hours from the moment of Sunrise. All Pancha- angams called Thithi, Vaara, Nakshatra, yOga and KaraNa are to be calculated from the moment of Sunrise at any given place. Thus, if it is MONDAY in India, all these Tithi, Vaara, Nakshatra, yOga and KaraNa for MONDAY must be calculated on the basis of Monday in any part of the world. Otherwise, a gross discrepancy will ensue as shown below: If Sri -Jayanti is celebrated on say at Mid-night of any day say, MONDAY in India, (since Lord KrishNa was born at Mid-night of that MONDAY) people in USA would have to celebrate it on the same MONDAY instead of at dusk! Obviously, this is not correct. Similarly, Nrisimha Jayanti has to be celebrated in the evening at dusk when Lord Nrisimha appeared from the pillar. Calculating on the basis of time difference, people in USA will be celebrating it at DAWN instead of at DUSK! Obviously, this is not correct. Also, there are at least 5 time zones in the USA. If it is 6.00 am at California (West Coast), it would be 11.00 am at New York (East Coast). The question arises when should the respective residents observe the various observances. To add to the confusion, some areas in USA follow the Daylight Savings time from April to October and revert to standard timings from October to April - while many other states do not follow this at all ! The Rahukaalam commencing at 7.30 am as per Indian Standard Time (IST) on Mondays in India is based on the assumption of IST Sunrise is at 6.00 a m. But even this IST Computation is no standard at all because there is actually a difference of about 60 minutes as between Mumbai on the West and Kolkatta in the East and the Sunrise timings would dkiffer accordingly. My answer is that everyone should observe with reference to the EXACT TIME OF SUNRISE IN THEIR RESPECTIVE LOCATIONS. This can be verified from thelocal Newspapers, Internet, Radio, TV weather channels etc. Hope this clarifies. Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy ********************************************************************* Respected members, namaskar... While living in India (Tamil Nadu), I was taught to observe rAhu kAlam as follows: monday - from 7.30 am to 9.00 am tuesday - from 3.00 pm to 4.30 pm wednesday - from 12.00 (noon) to 1.30 pm thursday - from 1.30 pm to 3.00 pm friday - from 10.30 am to 12.00 (noon) saturday - from 9.00 am to 10.30 am sunday - from 4.30 pm to 6.00 pm Now, I have a doubt: is rAhu kAlam always the same in every country or does it depend on geografic coordinates? If it changes according to the country, what time shall we observe rahu kalam in Italy? And shall we observe it according to solar time or to daylight savings time, which has started just few days ago? Can anybody please clarify? Kind regards, Sara =========================================================== Full text of Sri Mani varadarajan's mail is reproduced below: >"Mani Varadarajan" <mani2 > > > Re: Sri Jayanti Date >Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:36:41 -0000 > >srimate ramanujaya namah > >Dear Sri Dileepan and other Astikas, > >Thank you for your clarification. It appears that the >calculation supporting the date of September 15 for >Pancaratra Sri Jayanti is based on the formulas of >the Vakya Panchangam. What's not clear to me is why >the Vakya Panchangam is accorded any greater holiness >than scientific calculations. As far as I understand, >the Vakya Panchangam's basis is not "rishi prokta" >but is only the record of the scientific formulae >known to the extent possible in the time of their >recording, which is in the first few centuries A.D. >There were differing panchangams even in those days >(in Karnataka it has long been in vogue to present >calculations according to both Vakya and Siddhanta >conventions, for example). > >I am more comfortable following what corresponds to >the scientific positions of the planets as a basis for >dating. Certainly others may be more comfortable >in observing based on old formulae, no matter how much >they may differ from observed phenomena. (For example, >if the Vakya panchangam's formulae were used to observe >eclipses, we would totally miss the eclipses, doing >tarpanam, mantra japam, aradhanam, etc., at the wrong >times, i.e., outside the period of the eclipse! Even >the most rigorous Vaidika adjusts based on observed >phenomena. I fail to see the logic in not adjusting for >other observations as well. > >Re: when to do aradhanam? > >I feel it makes more sense to do the aradhanam according >to when the phenomena occur in one's local time zone. For >example, we do snAnam, sandhyA, ijyA, according to the >timings appropriate for our locality. Similarly, we should >observe Sri Krishna's birth as if it occurred in our local >time when the astronomical phenomena are present in the >heavens, i.e., during the local vrishabha lagna. This >would put Sri Jayanti this year before midnight local time, >irrespective of locality. This is my humble opinion based >on reading the nirnaya shastras. For example, the time >for observing these feasts and fasts is adjusted even in >India from city to city, depending on local phenomena -- >sunrise, moonrise, lagna, etc. It should be the same >across continents. > >With regards, >and in fond anticipation of the sweet memory of >Sri Krishna no matter what the locality or the date, > >adiyen ramanuja dasan ===================================================================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 13, 2006 Respected Bhagavatas, This problem will continue on a permanent basis till such time we flout the shastras and continue to stay abroad considering the foreign lands as home. It is not without reason, after all, that our forefathers have prohibited travel outside of Bharatam. Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan, V.K.Vasudevan. Ram Anbil <Ramanbil (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Bhagavatas: I entirely agree with the observations of Sri Mani Varadarajan Swamin when he says - "I feel it makes more sense to do the aradhanam according >to when the phenomena occur in one's local time zone. For >example, we do snAnam, sandhyA, ijyA, according to the >timings appropriate for our locality. Similarly, we should >observe Sri Krishna's birth as if it occurred in our local >time when the astronomical phenomena are present in the >heavens, i.e., during the local vrishabha lagna. This >would put Sri Jayanti this year before midnight local time, >irrespective of locality. This is my humble opinion based >on reading the nirnaya shastras. For example, the time >for observing these feasts and fasts is adjusted even in >India from city to city, depending on local phenomena -- >sunrise, moonrise, lagna, etc. It should be the same >across continents" =================================================================== I would like to invite you to a question raised by a member on observing Rahu Kalam in Italy and my answer to that question. I am reproducing the same for your information. vide Message 7147 dated 3rd April 2006. I have checked it with asmad Acharyan, H.H.Srimad Andavan, Poundarikapuram Swami Asramam and he has concurred in my view. Accordingly, it would make sense if we follow the same whatever Panchangam we have in "Bharaata Varsha, Bhjaratah khaNDa", observing the same Tithi, Vaara, Nakshatra, yoga and KaraNa with reference to the local time of Sunrise and Sunset in any part of the world and a recalculation based on Time zone differences need not be resorted to. Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy ==================================================================== SrI: Dear Sara, Our Sri Anbil Ramaswamy had written the response as below. Hope this helps Regards Namo Narayana madhavakkannan ------------------------- Dear friend: My take on the subject is as follows: The day is divided into 5 parts called Abhigamanam, Upaadaanam, Ijya, Svaadhyaayam and YOga. Approximately, each period will be around 2 1/2 hours from the moment of Sunrise. All Pancha- angams called Thithi, Vaara, Nakshatra, yOga and KaraNa are to be calculated from the moment of Sunrise at any given place. Thus, if it is MONDAY in India, all these Tithi, Vaara, Nakshatra, yOga and KaraNa for MONDAY must be calculated on the basis of Monday in any part of the world. Otherwise, a gross discrepancy will ensue as shown below: If Sri -Jayanti is celebrated on say at Mid-night of any day say, MONDAY in India, (since Lord KrishNa was born at Mid-night of that MONDAY) people in USA would have to celebrate it on the same MONDAY instead of at dusk! Obviously, this is not correct. Similarly, Nrisimha Jayanti has to be celebrated in the evening at dusk when Lord Nrisimha appeared from the pillar. Calculating on the basis of time difference, people in USA will be celebrating it at DAWN instead of at DUSK! Obviously, this is not correct. Also, there are at least 5 time zones in the USA. If it is 6.00 am at California (West Coast), it would be 11.00 am at New York (East Coast). The question arises when should the respective residents observe the various observances. To add to the confusion, some areas in USA follow the Daylight Savings time from April to October and revert to standard timings from October to April - while many other states do not follow this at all ! The Rahukaalam commencing at 7.30 am as per Indian Standard Time (IST) on Mondays in India is based on the assumption of IST Sunrise is at 6.00 a m. But even this IST Computation is no standard at all because there is actually a difference of about 60 minutes as between Mumbai on the West and Kolkatta in the East and the Sunrise timings would dkiffer accordingly. My answer is that everyone should observe with reference to the EXACT TIME OF SUNRISE IN THEIR RESPECTIVE LOCATIONS. This can be verified from thelocal Newspapers, Internet, Radio, TV weather channels etc. Hope this clarifies. Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy ********************************************************************* Respected members, namaskar... While living in India (Tamil Nadu), I was taught to observe rAhu kAlam as follows: monday - from 7.30 am to 9.00 am tuesday - from 3.00 pm to 4.30 pm wednesday - from 12.00 (noon) to 1.30 pm thursday - from 1.30 pm to 3.00 pm friday - from 10.30 am to 12.00 (noon) saturday - from 9.00 am to 10.30 am sunday - from 4.30 pm to 6.00 pm Now, I have a doubt: is rAhu kAlam always the same in every country or does it depend on geografic coordinates? If it changes according to the country, what time shall we observe rahu kalam in Italy? And shall we observe it according to solar time or to daylight savings time, which has started just few days ago? Can anybody please clarify? Kind regards, Sara =========================================================== Full text of Sri Mani varadarajan's mail is reproduced below: >"Mani Varadarajan" <mani2 > > > Re: Sri Jayanti Date >Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:36:41 -0000 > >srimate ramanujaya namah > >Dear Sri Dileepan and other Astikas, > >Thank you for your clarification. It appears that the >calculation supporting the date of September 15 for >Pancaratra Sri Jayanti is based on the formulas of >the Vakya Panchangam. What's not clear to me is why >the Vakya Panchangam is accorded any greater holiness >than scientific calculations. As far as I understand, >the Vakya Panchangam's basis is not "rishi prokta" >but is only the record of the scientific formulae >known to the extent possible in the time of their >recording, which is in the first few centuries A.D. >There were differing panchangams even in those days >(in Karnataka it has long been in vogue to present >calculations according to both Vakya and Siddhanta >conventions, for example). > >I am more comfortable following what corresponds to >the scientific positions of the planets as a basis for >dating. Certainly others may be more comfortable >in observing based on old formulae, no matter how much >they may differ from observed phenomena. (For example, >if the Vakya panchangam's formulae were used to observe >eclipses, we would totally miss the eclipses, doing >tarpanam, mantra japam, aradhanam, etc., at the wrong >times, i.e., outside the period of the eclipse! Even >the most rigorous Vaidika adjusts based on observed >phenomena. I fail to see the logic in not adjusting for >other observations as well. > >Re: when to do aradhanam? > >I feel it makes more sense to do the aradhanam according >to when the phenomena occur in one's local time zone. For >example, we do snAnam, sandhyA, ijyA, according to the >timings appropriate for our locality. Similarly, we should >observe Sri Krishna's birth as if it occurred in our local >time when the astronomical phenomena are present in the >heavens, i.e., during the local vrishabha lagna. This >would put Sri Jayanti this year before midnight local time, >irrespective of locality. This is my humble opinion based >on reading the nirnaya shastras. For example, the time >for observing these feasts and fasts is adjusted even in >India from city to city, depending on local phenomena -- >sunrise, moonrise, lagna, etc. It should be the same >across continents. > >With regards, >and in fond anticipation of the sweet memory of >Sri Krishna no matter what the locality or the date, > >adiyen ramanuja dasan ===================================================================== Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 14, 2006 SrI: SrImathE Ramanujaya nama: Now that we have already arrived at THE DATE of Sri Jayanthi... let us close this thread.. Wishing you VERRRRRRRRY HAPPY SRI JAYANTHI Regards Sarvam Sri KrishnarpaNamasthu dAsanu dAsan madhavakkannan [on behalf of moderator] *********** Respected bhAgavatALs, I would suggest that we are misdirecting our energies if we blame staying in "foreign" lands as the cause of the problem - it is just a fact of life that many of our community have settled elsewhere, often very good reasons (not just "materialistic desire" as so many often caricature it to be). Conversely, I would like to remind bhAgavatALs that these so called "foregin lands" are not "foreign" at all for some of us. For an emerging generation of Sri Vaishnava youngsters, these other countries are very much their home (also we didn't have a choice about being born outside of India!). For my part, while I will always hold immense love for India due to family, tradition, sampradaayam links, no-where will quite be home like the place one was brought up, went to school, university etc. I would humbly ask bhAgavatALs to please be sensitive to these issues while discussing other countries, as we risk alienating these interested youngsters, possibly giving them a guilt complex over something they have no control over. (On a lighter note: as far as following shaastras goes in other countries, funnily enough I find it easier to perform my nityakarmas here in the UK - in India I am met with overflowing good will asking me to "just have coffee, or just tiffin" before my sandhyAvandanam every morning by well meaning aunts, uncles, thaathaas and paatis! This is only my personal experience, I am guessing that's not the case in all houses!) Not to forget the special day, wishing all those of whichever sampradAyam a happy Sri Jayanti today for those celebrating it! "vasudeva sutam daivam kamsa cANUra mardanam devakii paramAnandam kRShNam vande jagad gurum" sarvAparAdhAn kShamasva with praNAmams namO nArAyaNAya Ranjan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 24, 2006 Horoscopes are prepared on the basis of locaion of a place. So when we talk of Sri [Krishna] Jayanthi, it means the Avathar of Sri Krishna in Mathura. So performing the Thiruvaradanam at Madras or any other place at midnight will not coincide with the same time at Mathura, assuming all watces and clocks are showin g identical time in India. So a Thiruvaradanam performed elsewhere in the world will never be the birthtime [avathara ghattam] of Sri Krishna. One can have a satisfaction that he performed the Thiruvaradanam at midnight thinking it is the avatara time;but never coinciding with that in Mathura. So the important thing is the performance of Thiruvaradanam. Let everyone do that according to their convenience and leave the "phalam" to Him. Adiyen, kumar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
