Kal Sarpa dosha- Astroresearch no 5

August 16, 2006

Dear members,

Let us first try and list out the negative effects of KSY/KAY -

As Mr suri ji has said -

1) good planetary combinations get nullified is not without

justification. There are horoscopes with excellent yogas showing

great advancement and prosperity but the natives continue to be

mediocres.

>From my personal experience

2) Person will have some problem or the other all the time. One gets

resolved another one comes up.

3) .... More inputs needed...

Regards,

Pranav

vedic astrology, Suri allam <ianianala

wrote:

>

> Om Sri gurave namah!

> Dear Members,

> One source of this yoga is a book :

> Jyotish Yog Ratnakar by Pandit Rajashekar, Chaukhamba

publications

> and it is in hindi.

> In brief, KSY, 12 types, named after 12 snakes, i.e. Rahu in Asc

and Ketu in 7th house is supposed to be the deadliest of all.

> If one planet is out of Rahu - Ketu axis on the other side, in

terms of movement, approaches Ketu instead of rahu, that particular

planet is deemed as saving planet of the native from this yoga.

> Ill effect: In spite of possession of all the worldly

commodities or luxuries, the native is not happy due to some reason

or other, his mind does not bloom in spite of the fact that he is

surrounded with luxuries.

> To read Sri BV Raman's comments please go to following site and

scroll down to the end of the page.

> http://www.bena.com/sherpa1/bpa/Yogas/b_yoga.htm

> One chart is available with me. This person is doing OK, but

suffers from fear of early death.( I have to take permission before

I share this chart with you).

> Bhujang or Sarpa Yoga ( BPHS- Nabhash yogas), i.e. all Malefics

in 3 kendras- ill effect Native will talk too much, will leave his

paternal place, will be a source of trouble to others, short lived,

etc.

> SARPA YOGA( Kalyana verma-saravali). The native born under this

Yoga will be crooked in disposition, pitiless, always be a subject

of grief, poor and will live in other's House and eat their food.

> The Sarpa yoga generates extreme passion and greed. others are

sarpaghanda and sarpasapa yoga, so why not Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> I have a feeling that this yoga is further elaborated or twisted

to Kal Sarpa Yoga, a possibility! at the same time another

possibility, Like Sri B V Raman commented,

> "The common fear that if Kalasarpa Yoga is fully present the

effects of other good planetary combinations get nullified is not

without justification. There are horoscopes with excellent

yogas showing great advancement and prosperity but the natives

continue to be mediocres. A brilliant career may suddenly end. Such

cases may have KSY but it may not be the main cause for making one

what he is. It may be one of the causes"

> Still digging!

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

>

> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

> Dear Suri Allamji,

>

> All these birth details are available in the files section of

> this forum.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> --- Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

>

> > Om Sri Gurave Namah!

> > Dear Krishna jee,

> > Will it be possible for you to share the birth details of

> > these individuals.

> >

> > Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

> > Om Sri gurave namah!

> > Dear Members,

> > I was learning astrology from a vedic bramhin, who had studied

> > in gurukulam ( from 8 years of age) all his life in andhra

> > pradesh, I do not say that he is a very genuine and truthful

> > person to start with, he is very money minded and wants to

> > become a billionaire overnight, but even he explained to me in

> > detail about this yoga, but then I believed everthing he

> > taught, just for the sake of learning, but my experience with

> > what ever charts I have seen, lot of rules do not apply or

> > surprisingly are totally contradicting,is it because of

> > improper translations, or someones mean purpose.

> > I think there are lots of learned and professional people who

> > do not believe in this yoga, and there are definetly many more

> > who believe in this yoga, but I am not getting any data for

> > proper conclusion, I can not summarize based on just opinion.

> > Please read this article in this website,

> > http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm#kalasarpadosha

> > well this again is an opinion from a learned astrologer, and

> > we are not challenging anyones opinion because we do not have

> > anything concrete, infact we respect your opinion, but mere

> > referring to books, articles and big articles with out any

> > proper data, will be just beating the bush. as a person I

> > would not like to believe in this yoga, which in a way

> > nullifies the existence of the native and horoscope.

> > What ever literature ( not scriptures) is available forces me

> > to believe it could be work of a very intelligent professional

> > astrologer.

> > But still I am on the wall, both sides look reasonable. which

> > can only be proved or disapproved by presenting real data.

> > Thanks!

> > Om Namah Shivai!

> > SPI

> >

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

> > Dear Kumarji,

> >

> > With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

> > horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not

> > find

> > a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

> >

> > - Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

> > - Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

> > - Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

> > - Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

> > - Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

> > - Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

> > - Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

> > Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala Amrita

> > Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as

> > planets

> > are between Ketu and Rahu.

> >

> > I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant (even

> > in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

> >

> > Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

> > conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data before

> > accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or anything

> > proposed by anyone.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 wrote:

> >

> > > For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the book

> > > 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran astrologer

> > > Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

> > > presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in

> > their

> > > charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply sound

> > > common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound

> > common

> > > sense to following facts:

> > >

> > > 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for almost

> > > 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

> > > axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during this

> > > period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

> > > life ?

> > > 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY

> > (when

> > > one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

> > > responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer, say

> > > even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ? Remember,

> > > subtleties are most important in astrology.

> > >

> > > Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

> > > Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar

> > the

> > > Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and many

> > > -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious and

> > > prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

> > > unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa Yoga

> > > in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

> > >

> > > P.Kumar

> > >

> > > -

> > > Suri allam

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > > Astroresearch no 5

> > >

> > > Om gurave namah!

> > > Dear kandpall jee,

> > > I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or maladies

> > > and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga. how

> > > to prove that it is there or not.

> > > I think some true data will do?

> > > Thanks!

> > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > SPI

> > > Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

> > > etc.

> > > mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

> > > something

> > > please do share.

> > >

> > > In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

> > > that

> > > occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

> > > Rahu-Ketu

> > > are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

> > > Devata is

> > > prescribed with other methods etc.

> > >

> > > As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

> > > such yogas

> > > where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

> > > prosperity

> > > of their own.

> > >

> > > This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years back

> > > and a

> > > number of people have been making money out of this by

> > > creating fear

> > > in people's mind.

> > >

> > > As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe out

> > > such

> > > myths rather than proliferating these.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Prakash Kandpal

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

> > > <gkgoel1937@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

> > > such

> > > thing like Kala-

> > > > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> > > > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

> > > it is

> > > bound to have some good or bad effects.

> > > > That is all about these yogas.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > >

> > > > Suri allam <ianianala@> wrote:

> > > > Om gurave Namah!

> > > > Dear gaurav jee,

> > > > kindly can you share with us what research you did and how

> > > you

> > > concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> > > > I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

> > > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > > SPI

> > > >

> > > > <gg_0202@> wrote:

> > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > Dear Anilji,

> > > > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a

> > > research

> > > > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> > > > I hope this helps,

> > > > Thanq,

> > > > With Humbleness,

> > > > Wish u all success,

> > > >

> > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> > > > http://gauravg.askagent.com

> > > > ------------Send messages to the group, not to

> > > me------------------

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

> Thanks!

> Om Namah Shivai!

>

> SPI

>

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August 16, 2006

Namashkaar

Sri Suri Allam ji

Good notes for Kaal Sarppa

Regards

Varadaraja

-

Suri allam

vedic astrology

Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:34 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha- Astroresearch no 5

Om Sri gurave Namah!

Dear Members,

Yes, Let us discuss, what exactle KSY/KAS are.

What is Kaalsarp?

View I- When all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu (i.e., the moon's north node and the moon's south node), Kaalsarp Yoga is formed. Complete Kaalsarp Yoga is formed only when half of the chart is unoccupied by planets. Even if one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu Axis, there is no Kaalsarp Yoga.

Before you do any remedies for the Kaalsarp Yoga, make sure that all planets are between Rahu and Ketu. Even if there is one planet outside the Rahu-Ketu axis the Kaalsarp Yoga does not exist.

The Kaalsarp Yoga is not always bad. It has the power to confer gains too.All planets must be hemmed between Rahu and Ketu.Even if one planet is outside the Rahu Ketu axis there is no Kaalsarp Yoga.Rahu is the moon's north node. Ketu is the moon's south node.

View II- A lot has been read, said and discussed about the Kalsarpa Yoga. This yoga, and please notice the choice of words - it is a yoga and _not_ a dosha, is caused when all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. The figure on the side illustrates this point. If a person has Kalsarpa yoga in his kundali, Rahu and Ketu are said to limit the potential of the chart and not allow other important yogas to take effect. In practice, it is observed that this role of Rahu and Ketu diminishes over time and good things are just delayed for such people. Again, noted Astrologer Dr.B.V.Raman is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the other axis while all the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis, then the evil arising out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised.

This is just a commentary on what I have learnt about Kalsarpa yoga over the years. My advice to the readers is not to take this yoga too seriously and go on with the life. Research shows that this yoga was not a part of classical texts written by great sages like Parashara, Bhrigu etc. but gained importance later.

View I-Type of Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu is in the first House and Ketu in the seventh house and the rest of the planets are to the left of this axis the Yoga which arises is the Anant Kalsarp Yoga. This is also called as Vipareeta Kaalsarp yoga opposite Kaalsarp Yoga. Though this yoga has the power to give windfall gains to the native, it is bad for marital life. Generally natives with this yoga get married late in life .

View II - Types of Kalsarpa Yoga

There are 12 types of Kalsarpa Yoga. Kal Amrita Yoga is not a seperate yoga.

View I- Anant Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in Lagna, Ketu in seventh house: The person is prone to be target of conspiracies hatched by people supposedly close to him. The person is likely to lose out in matters of courts. Married life would be marred by differences between husband and wife.

View I - Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the second house and Ketu the eighth house Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga arises. This combination is bad for health. The probability of losses and accidents is high with natives of this combination. This is bad for financial prosperity too. The native is worried on account of an insecure financial standing.

View II-Kulika Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in second house, Ketu in eighth: This combination is not good for the person's health. Expenses would be more then the income and the financial situation would remain fairly mediocre. He has to struggle a lot in life to achieve something.

View I- Vasuki Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the third house and Ketu the ninth house and the rest of the planets are located to the left of the Rahu Ketu axis, this yoga is born. The native is burdened with problems relating to job and business.

View II - Vasuki Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in third house, Ketu in ninth: The person would have trouble dealing with his brothers and friends. Travel to foreign countries would create problems. The person having this combination in his chart should take precautions in deals by paying extra attention towards legal documentation.

View I -Shankpal Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the 4th house and Ketu the 10th this yoga is formed. The native gets trouble relating to work sphere and has to go through stress and anxiety. Sometimes the native has an illegitimate child, or can be an illegitimate child. However this yoga also has the power of conferring high political success and windfall gains.

View II- Shankapal Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fourth house, Ketu in tenth: The person with this combination would never be satisfied with his financial situation and would always strive for more. The person is prone to troubles relating to immovable property - e.g. land, houses and modes of conveyance - e.g. cars

View I -Padam Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the fifth house and Ketu the eleventh house this Yoga is formed. The native is worried on account of children. There is difficulty in getting a progeny. If the moon is also afflicted then there is the possibility of being troubled by spirits. In this case if a native falls ill the recovery time is slow. There are also chances of being let down by friends in this case.

View II- Padma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fifth house, Ketu in eleventh: The person would have trouble with children. The person should never try his luck in lottery, share markets, and anything where speculation is involved

View I -Mahapadam Kaalsarp Yoga

This yoga is formed when Rahu is in the 6th house and Ketu is in the twelfth house. The native has many enemies and has problems on account of diseases. However, if this yoga acts beneficially, it has the power to confer power and political success.

View II-Mahapadma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in sixth house, Ketu in twelfth: The person would not do well in relationships and would have a very pessimistic view of life.

View I- Takshak Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu is in the seventh house and Ketu in the first house this yoga is formed. The native has speculative tendencies and can lose wealth by way of wine, women and gambling. There is marital discord in the life of the native.

View II - Takshak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in seventh house, Ketu in first: There is a need for the person to be extra careful in matter relating to married life and business partnerships.

View I- Karkotak Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the eighth house and Ketu the second house this yoga is formed. The native is short tempered and has many enemies. Such a native has friendship with anti-social elements. The native does not get paternal wealth.

View II - Karkotik Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eighth house, Ketu in second: The person does not benefit from any paternal property. There would be a lot of trust issues between the person and his friends. This combination is not good for health and Rahu being in eighth house is usually not considered good as it indicates a sudden and violent death.

View I- Shankachood Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the ninth house and Ketu is in the 3rd house this yoga operates. Natives who have this yoga in the chart have many ups and down in life. They have a habit of speaking lies. They are also short tempered.

View II -Shankhnaad Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in ninth house, Ketu in third: This combination indicates problems from higher authorities, government of the day and local administration in the field of business and commerce.

View I- Ghatak Kaalsarp Yoga

This yoga arises when Rahu is in tenth house and Ketu in the fourth house. Litigation problems are common is this case. Punishment by law or the Government also possible. However if this yoga operates in a beneficial manner then it has the power to confer the highest form of political power, especially in Virgo and Leo ascendant.

View II- Paatak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in tenth house, Ketu in fourth: Rahu being in tenth house indicates problem in employment and higher authorities whom the person would report to during his/her job.

View I -Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the eleventh house and Ketu the fifth house the yoga which arises is the Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga. The native travels frequently and is never fixed at one place. Problems also arise from children. However these natives get some peace in the latter half of their life.

View II -Vishakt Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eleventh house, Ketu in fifth: This combination indicates a lot of problems between the person and his elder brother. The person would also remain away from his native place throughout his life. The person would be prone to problems like heart trouble, insomnia etc.

View I- Sheshnag Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the twelfth house and Ketu the 6th house this yoga arises. The native has problems relating to litigation. There are many enemies and health problems.

View II- Sheshnag Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in twelfth house, Ketu in sixth: The person would be prone to problems from people whom he does not know - mysterious enemies.

Remedies: View II

1. Pray to Lord Shiva in His Maharudra avatar on Mondays. Rudrashatakam written by Goswami Tulasidas in Ramacharit Manas should be chanted regularly.

2.Wear a gomed, about two and a half carets in size in the little finger.

3. Wear a special ring, shaped like a serpent with a small Gomed at the head and a Vaidurya (lahsuniya) at the tail. This ring is to be worn in the middle finger.

4. A pooja at Trayambkeshwara Temple about 40 kms from the city of Nasik in Maharashtra is suggested.

ViewIII- This gives descriptions about various planets if outside Rahu- Ketu axis,and there benefit and the important point is native with KSY and one planet outside meets with sudden and unexpected changes in his/her life.

Kal Amrita Yoga- If exists, best example is chart of India, taken from August 15, 1947, 12.00 AM, New Delhi, India.

One lesson by Shri P.V.R.Narshima Rao garu, there is a talk about these yogas.

More than this info not available with me.

I am searching for chart of prominent people with complete KSY. ( including in file section of this forum)

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai,

SPI

sushmagupta51 <sushmagupta51 > wrote:

Hello friends,

This seems like a very intersting/controversial discussion, and very

informative too. Out of the horoscopes that have been listed below:

1) some have KSY and others have KAY.

2) There is a dictum - that KSY/KAY is broken by planets in Lagna or

conjoining Rahu or Ketu. If it happens it results in a Maha Yoga

which can take the native to unbelievable heights.

Keeping this in mind, now look at all the horoscopes listed again.

e.g.- Nehru, has Jupiter and Moon breaking the KAY. Once that

happened he reached great heights! similarly apply the dictum to

other horoscopes.

Instead of debating Lets take a constructive approach -

1) list the negatives of the KSY/KAY yoga

2) look at the horoscopes of natives with KSY/KAY and analyze and

contrast both (1) with (2)

Let me know if that sounds good to members of the forum?

Warm regards,

Pranav

vedic astrology, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> You could be right. My point is that it remains a hypothesis

> (like those who claim KSY is bad) until it is proven

> conclusively with proper data points.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 wrote:

>

> > See that I have written about full / partial KSY as people are

> > using it too. Read the book referred to or ask the proponents

> > of so called KSY to predict before hand. Then, think

> > judiciously, how a yoga that stays there for about 14 -15 days

> > (100% as per your definition) be of any significance. Combine

> > it with the fact that no classical reference is found for the

> > so called KSY.

> >

> > P.Kumar

> >

> > -

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > vedic astrology

> > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:28 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > Astroresearch no 5

> >

> > Dear Kumarji,

> >

> > With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

> > horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not

> > find

> > a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

> >

> > - Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

> > - Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

> > - Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

> > - Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

> > - Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

> > - Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

> > - Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

> > Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala

> > Amrita

> > Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as

> > planets

> > are between Ketu and Rahu.

> >

> > I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant

> > (even

> > in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

> >

> > Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

> > conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data

> > before

> > accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or

> > anything

> > proposed by anyone.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 wrote:

> >

> > > For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the

> > book

> > > 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran

> > astrologer

> > > Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

> > > presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in

> > their

> > > charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply

> > sound

> > > common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound

> > common

> > > sense to following facts:

> > >

> > > 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for

> > almost

> > > 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

> > > axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during

> > this

> > > period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

> > > life ?

> > > 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY

> > (when

> > > one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

> > > responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer,

> > say

> > > even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ?

> > Remember,

> > > subtleties are most important in astrology.

> > >

> > > Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

> > > Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar

> > the

> > > Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and

> > many

> > > -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious

> > and

> > > prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

> > > unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa

> > Yoga

> > > in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

> > >

> > > P.Kumar

> > >

> > > -

> > > Suri allam

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > > Astroresearch no 5

> > >

> > > Om gurave namah!

> > > Dear kandpall jee,

> > > I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or

> > maladies

> > > and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga.

> > how

> > > to prove that it is there or not.

> > > I think some true data will do?

> > > Thanks!

> > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > SPI

> > > Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

> > > etc.

> > > mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

> > > something

> > > please do share.

> > >

> > > In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

> > > that

> > > occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

> > > Rahu-Ketu

> > > are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

> > > Devata is

> > > prescribed with other methods etc.

> > >

> > > As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

> > > such yogas

> > > where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

> > > prosperity

> > > of their own.

> > >

> > > This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years

> > back

> > > and a

> > > number of people have been making money out of this by

> > > creating fear

> > > in people's mind.

> > >

> > > As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe

> > out

> > > such

> > > myths rather than proliferating these.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Prakash Kandpal

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

> > > <gkgoel1937@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

> > > such

> > > thing like Kala-

> > > > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> > > > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

> > > it is

> > > bound to have some good or bad effects.

> > > > That is all about these yogas.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > >

> > > > Suri allam <ianianala@> wrote:

> > > > Om gurave Namah!

> > > > Dear gaurav jee,

> > > > kindly can you share with us what research you did and

> > how

> > > you

> > > concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> > > > I am interested in your research approach and

> > conclusion.

> > > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > > SPI

> > > >

> > > > <gg_0202@> wrote:

> > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > Dear Anilji,

> > > > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done

> > a

> > > research

> > > > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> > > > I hope this helps,

> > > > Thanq,

> > > > With Humbleness,

> > > > Wish u all success,

> > > >

> > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> > > > http://gauravg.askagent.com

> > > > ------------Send messages to the group, not to

> > > me------------------

> > > --

> > > >

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

August 16, 2006

Thank you for this excellent post. I've saved it for

future reference.

Haizen Paige

vedic astrology, Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

>

> Om Sri gurave Namah!

> Dear Members,

> Yes, Let us discuss, what exactle KSY/KAS are.

> What is Kaalsarp?

>

> View I- When all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu (i.e., the moon's north

node and the moon's south node), Kaalsarp Yoga is formed. Complete Kaalsarp Yoga is

formed only when half of the chart is unoccupied by planets. Even if one planet is outside

the Rahu-Ketu Axis, there is no Kaalsarp Yoga.

> Before you do any remedies for the Kaalsarp Yoga, make sure that all planets are

between Rahu and Ketu. Even if there is one planet outside the Rahu-Ketu axis the

Kaalsarp Yoga does not exist.

> The Kaalsarp Yoga is not always bad. It has the power to confer gains too.All planets

must be hemmed between Rahu and Ketu.Even if one planet is outside the Rahu Ketu axis

there is no Kaalsarp Yoga.Rahu is the moon's north node. Ketu is the moon's south node.

> View II- A lot has been read, said and discussed about the Kalsarpa Yoga. This yoga,

and please notice the choice of words - it is a yoga and _not_ a dosha, is caused when all

the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. The figure on the side illustrates this

point. If a person has Kalsarpa yoga in his kundali, Rahu and Ketu are said to limit the

potential of the chart and not allow other important yogas to take effect. In practice, it is

observed that this role of Rahu and Ketu diminishes over time and good things are just

delayed for such people. Again, noted Astrologer Dr.B.V.Raman is of the opinion that if the

ascendant is on the other axis while all the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis,

then the evil arising out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised.

> This is just a commentary on what I have learnt about Kalsarpa yoga over the years. My

advice to the readers is not to take this yoga too seriously and go on with the life.

Research shows that this yoga was not a part of classical texts written by great sages like

Parashara, Bhrigu etc. but gained importance later.

>

> View I-Type of Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu is in the first House and Ketu in the seventh house and the rest of the

planets are to the left of this axis the Yoga which arises is the Anant Kalsarp Yoga. This is

also called as Vipareeta Kaalsarp yoga opposite Kaalsarp Yoga. Though this yoga has the

power to give windfall gains to the native, it is bad for marital life. Generally natives with

this yoga get married late in life .

> View II - Types of Kalsarpa Yoga

> There are 12 types of Kalsarpa Yoga. Kal Amrita Yoga is not a seperate yoga.

> View I- Anant Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in Lagna, Ketu in seventh house: The person is

prone to be target of conspiracies hatched by people supposedly close to him. The person

is likely to lose out in matters of courts. Married life would be marred by differences

between husband and wife.

>

> View I - Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the second house and Ketu the eighth house Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga

arises. This combination is bad for health. The probability of losses and accidents is high

with natives of this combination. This is bad for financial prosperity too. The native is

worried on account of an insecure financial standing.

> View II-Kulika Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in second house, Ketu in eighth: This combination

is not good for the person's health. Expenses would be more then the income and the

financial situation would remain fairly mediocre. He has to struggle a lot in life to achieve

something.

>

> View I- Vasuki Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the third house and Ketu the ninth house and the rest of the

planets are located to the left of the Rahu Ketu axis, this yoga is born. The native is

burdened with problems relating to job and business.

> View II - Vasuki Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in third house, Ketu in ninth: The person would

have trouble dealing with his brothers and friends. Travel to foreign countries would

create problems. The person having this combination in his chart should take precautions

in deals by paying extra attention towards legal documentation.

>

> View I -Shankpal Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the 4th house and Ketu the 10th this yoga is formed. The native

gets trouble relating to work sphere and has to go through stress and anxiety. Sometimes

the native has an illegitimate child, or can be an illegitimate child. However this yoga also

has the power of conferring high political success and windfall gains.

> View II- Shankapal Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fourth house, Ketu in tenth: The person

with this combination would never be satisfied with his financial situation and would

always strive for more. The person is prone to troubles relating to immovable property -

e.g. land, houses and modes of conveyance - e.g. cars

> View I -Padam Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the fifth house and Ketu the eleventh house this Yoga is formed.

The native is worried on account of children. There is difficulty in getting a progeny. If the

moon is also afflicted then there is the possibility of being troubled by spirits. In this case

if a native falls ill the recovery time is slow. There are also chances of being let down by

friends in this case.

> View II- Padma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fifth house, Ketu in eleventh: The person

would have trouble with children. The person should never try his luck in lottery, share

markets, and anything where speculation is involved

> View I -Mahapadam Kaalsarp Yoga

> This yoga is formed when Rahu is in the 6th house and Ketu is in the twelfth house.

The native has many enemies and has problems on account of diseases. However, if this

yoga acts beneficially, it has the power to confer power and political success.

> View II-Mahapadma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in sixth house, Ketu in twelfth: The person

would not do well in relationships and would have a very pessimistic view of life.

>

> View I- Takshak Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu is in the seventh house and Ketu in the first house this yoga is formed. The

native has speculative tendencies and can lose wealth by way of wine, women and

gambling. There is marital discord in the life of the native.

> View II - Takshak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in seventh house, Ketu in first: There is a need

for the person to be extra careful in matter relating to married life and business

partnerships.

>

> View I- Karkotak Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the eighth house and Ketu the second house this yoga is formed.

The native is short tempered and has many enemies. Such a native has friendship with

anti-social elements. The native does not get paternal wealth.

> View II - Karkotik Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eighth house, Ketu in second: The person

does not benefit from any paternal property. There would be a lot of trust issues between

the person and his friends. This combination is not good for health and Rahu being in

eighth house is usually not considered good as it indicates a sudden and violent death.

> View I- Shankachood Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the ninth house and Ketu is in the 3rd house this yoga operates.

Natives who have this yoga in the chart have many ups and down in life. They have a habit

of speaking lies. They are also short tempered.

> View II -Shankhnaad Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in ninth house, Ketu in third: This

combination indicates problems from higher authorities, government of the day and local

administration in the field of business and commerce.

> View I- Ghatak Kaalsarp Yoga

> This yoga arises when Rahu is in tenth house and Ketu in the fourth house. Litigation

problems are common is this case. Punishment by law or the Government also possible.

However if this yoga operates in a beneficial manner then it has the power to confer the

highest form of political power, especially in Virgo and Leo ascendant.

> View II- Paatak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in tenth house, Ketu in fourth: Rahu being in

tenth house indicates problem in employment and higher authorities whom the person

would report to during his/her job.

>

> View I -Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the eleventh house and Ketu the fifth house the yoga which arises

is the Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga. The native travels frequently and is never fixed at one

place. Problems also arise from children. However these natives get some peace in the

latter half of their life.

> View II -Vishakt Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eleventh house, Ketu in fifth: This

combination indicates a lot of problems between the person and his elder brother. The

person would also remain away from his native place throughout his life. The person

would be prone to problems like heart trouble, insomnia etc.

>

> View I- Sheshnag Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the twelfth house and Ketu the 6th house this yoga arises. The

native has problems relating to litigation. There are many enemies and health problems.

> View II- Sheshnag Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in twelfth house, Ketu in sixth: The person

would be prone to problems from people whom he does not know - mysterious enemies.

> Remedies: View II

>

> 1. Pray to Lord Shiva in His Maharudra avatar on Mondays. Rudrashatakam written by

Goswami Tulasidas in Ramacharit Manas should be chanted regularly.

> 2.Wear a gomed, about two and a half carets in size in the little finger.

> 3. Wear a special ring, shaped like a serpent with a small Gomed at the head and a

Vaidurya (lahsuniya) at the tail. This ring is to be worn in the middle finger.

> 4. A pooja at Trayambkeshwara Temple about 40 kms from the city of Nasik in

Maharashtra is suggested.

>

> ViewIII- This gives descriptions about various planets if outside Rahu- Ketu axis,and

there benefit and the important point is native with KSY and one planet outside meets with

sudden and unexpected changes in his/her life.

>

> Kal Amrita Yoga- If exists, best example is chart of India, taken from August 15, 1947,

12.00 AM, New Delhi, India.

>

> One lesson by Shri P.V.R.Narshima Rao garu, there is a talk about these yogas.

>

> More than this info not available with me.

>

> I am searching for chart of prominent people with complete KSY. ( including in file

section of this forum)

>

> Thanks!

>

> Om Namah Shivai,

>

> SPI

>

> sushmagupta51 <sushmagupta51 wrote:

> Hello friends,

>

> This seems like a very intersting/controversial discussion, and very

> informative too. Out of the horoscopes that have been listed below:

>

> 1) some have KSY and others have KAY.

> 2) There is a dictum - that KSY/KAY is broken by planets in Lagna or

> conjoining Rahu or Ketu. If it happens it results in a Maha Yoga

> which can take the native to unbelievable heights.

>

> Keeping this in mind, now look at all the horoscopes listed again.

> e.g.- Nehru, has Jupiter and Moon breaking the KAY. Once that

> happened he reached great heights! similarly apply the dictum to

> other horoscopes.

>

> Instead of debating Lets take a constructive approach -

> 1) list the negatives of the KSY/KAY yoga

> 2) look at the horoscopes of natives with KSY/KAY and analyze and

> contrast both (1) with (2)

>

> Let me know if that sounds good to members of the forum?

>

> Warm regards,

> Pranav

>

> vedic astrology, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> >

> > You could be right. My point is that it remains a hypothesis

> > (like those who claim KSY is bad) until it is proven

> > conclusively with proper data points.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24@> wrote:

> >

> > > See that I have written about full / partial KSY as people are

> > > using it too. Read the book referred to or ask the proponents

> > > of so called KSY to predict before hand. Then, think

> > > judiciously, how a yoga that stays there for about 14 -15 days

> > > (100% as per your definition) be of any significance. Combine

> > > it with the fact that no classical reference is found for the

> > > so called KSY.

> > >

> > > P.Kumar

> > >

> > > -

> > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:28 PM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > > Astroresearch no 5

> > >

> > > Dear Kumarji,

> > >

> > > With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

> > > horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not

> > > find

> > > a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

> > >

> > > - Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

> > > - Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

> > > - Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

> > > - Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

> > > - Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

> > > - Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

> > > - Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

> > > Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala

> > > Amrita

> > > Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as

> > > planets

> > > are between Ketu and Rahu.

> > >

> > > I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant

> > > (even

> > > in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

> > >

> > > Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

> > > conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data

> > > before

> > > accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or

> > > anything

> > > proposed by anyone.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the

> > > book

> > > > 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran

> > > astrologer

> > > > Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

> > > > presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in

> > > their

> > > > charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply

> > > sound

> > > > common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound

> > > common

> > > > sense to following facts:

> > > >

> > > > 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for

> > > almost

> > > > 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

> > > > axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during

> > > this

> > > > period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

> > > > life ?

> > > > 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY

> > > (when

> > > > one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

> > > > responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer,

> > > say

> > > > even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ?

> > > Remember,

> > > > subtleties are most important in astrology.

> > > >

> > > > Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

> > > > Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar

> > > the

> > > > Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and

> > > many

> > > > -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious

> > > and

> > > > prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

> > > > unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa

> > > Yoga

> > > > in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

> > > >

> > > > P.Kumar

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Suri allam

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > > > Astroresearch no 5

> > > >

> > > > Om gurave namah!

> > > > Dear kandpall jee,

> > > > I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or

> > > maladies

> > > > and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga.

> > > how

> > > > to prove that it is there or not.

> > > > I think some true data will do?

> > > > Thanks!

> > > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > > SPI

> > > > Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal@> wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

> > > > etc.

> > > > mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

> > > > something

> > > > please do share.

> > > >

> > > > In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

> > > > that

> > > > occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

> > > > Rahu-Ketu

> > > > are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

> > > > Devata is

> > > > prescribed with other methods etc.

> > > >

> > > > As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

> > > > such yogas

> > > > where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

> > > > prosperity

> > > > of their own.

> > > >

> > > > This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years

> > > back

> > > > and a

> > > > number of people have been making money out of this by

> > > > creating fear

> > > > in people's mind.

> > > >

> > > > As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe

> > > out

> > > > such

> > > > myths rather than proliferating these.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Prakash Kandpal

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

> > > > <gkgoel1937@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

> > > > such

> > > > thing like Kala-

> > > > > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> > > > > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

> > > > it is

> > > > bound to have some good or bad effects.

> > > > > That is all about these yogas.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > >

> > > > > Suri allam <ianianala@> wrote:

> > > > > Om gurave Namah!

> > > > > Dear gaurav jee,

> > > > > kindly can you share with us what research you did and

> > > how

> > > > you

> > > > concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> > > > > I am interested in your research approach and

> > > conclusion.

> > > > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > > > SPI

> > > > >

> > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote:

> > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > > Dear Anilji,

> > > > > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done

> > > a

> > > > research

> > > > > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> > > > > I hope this helps,

> > > > > Thanq,

> > > > > With Humbleness,

> > > > > Wish u all success,

> > > > >

> > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> > > > > http://gauravg.askagent.com

> > > > > ------------Send messages to the group, not to

> > > > me------------------

> > > > --

> > > > >

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

>

> Thanks!

> Om Namah Shivai!

>

> SPI

>

August 17, 2006

Dear Suri allam ,

I am very happy to see your posting about KSY.

i have some basic questions. when all planets between rahu/kethu

axis then that planet combination remains same for 13days. so all

born in 13 days have KSY or KSD?

(WHO)world health organization's Statstic report said 4 child

birth / per min in world. so perday 5760 child birth.(1440 X4) and

for 13days 74880 birth. for all 74880 child wil be get same KSY?

pls explain your view.

Swami Omkar

vedic astrology, Suri allam <ianianala

wrote:

>

> Om Sri gurave Namah!

> Dear Members,

> Yes, Let us discuss, what exactle KSY/KAS are.

> What is Kaalsarp?

>

> View I- When all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu

(i.e., the moon's north node and the moon's south node), Kaalsarp

Yoga is formed. Complete Kaalsarp Yoga is formed only when half of

the chart is unoccupied by planets. Even if one planet is outside

the Rahu-Ketu Axis, there is no Kaalsarp Yoga.

> Before you do any remedies for the Kaalsarp Yoga, make sure that

all planets are between Rahu and Ketu. Even if there is one planet

outside the Rahu-Ketu axis the Kaalsarp Yoga does not exist.

> The Kaalsarp Yoga is not always bad. It has the power to confer

gains too.All planets must be hemmed between Rahu and Ketu.Even if

one planet is outside the Rahu Ketu axis there is no Kaalsarp

Yoga.Rahu is the moon's north node. Ketu is the moon's south node.

> View II- A lot has been read, said and discussed about the

Kalsarpa Yoga. This yoga, and please notice the choice of words - it

is a yoga and _not_ a dosha, is caused when all the planets are

hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. The figure on the side illustrates

this point. If a person has Kalsarpa yoga in his kundali, Rahu and

Ketu are said to limit the potential of the chart and not allow

other important yogas to take effect. In practice, it is observed

that this role of Rahu and Ketu diminishes over time and good things

are just delayed for such people. Again, noted Astrologer

Dr.B.V.Raman is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the other

axis while all the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis, then

the evil arising out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised.

> This is just a commentary on what I have learnt about Kalsarpa

yoga over the years. My advice to the readers is not to take this

yoga too seriously and go on with the life. Research shows that this

yoga was not a part of classical texts written by great sages like

Parashara, Bhrigu etc. but gained importance later.

>

> View I-Type of Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu is in the first House and Ketu in the seventh house

and the rest of the planets are to the left of this axis the Yoga

which arises is the Anant Kalsarp Yoga. This is also called as

Vipareeta Kaalsarp yoga opposite Kaalsarp Yoga. Though this yoga has

the power to give windfall gains to the native, it is bad for

marital life. Generally natives with this yoga get married late in

life .

> View II - Types of Kalsarpa Yoga

> There are 12 types of Kalsarpa Yoga. Kal Amrita Yoga is not a

seperate yoga.

> View I- Anant Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in Lagna, Ketu in seventh

house: The person is prone to be target of conspiracies hatched by

people supposedly close to him. The person is likely to lose out in

matters of courts. Married life would be marred by differences

between husband and wife.

>

> View I - Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the second house and Ketu the eighth house

Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga arises. This combination is bad for health. The

probability of losses and accidents is high with natives of this

combination. This is bad for financial prosperity too. The native is

worried on account of an insecure financial standing.

> View II-Kulika Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in second house, Ketu in

eighth: This combination is not good for the person's health.

Expenses would be more then the income and the financial situation

would remain fairly mediocre. He has to struggle a lot in life to

achieve something.

>

> View I- Vasuki Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the third house and Ketu the ninth house and

the rest of the planets are located to the left of the Rahu Ketu

axis, this yoga is born. The native is burdened with problems

relating to job and business.

> View II - Vasuki Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in third house, Ketu in

ninth: The person would have trouble dealing with his brothers and

friends. Travel to foreign countries would create problems. The

person having this combination in his chart should take precautions

in deals by paying extra attention towards legal documentation.

>

> View I -Shankpal Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the 4th house and Ketu the 10th this yoga is

formed. The native gets trouble relating to work sphere and has to

go through stress and anxiety. Sometimes the native has an

illegitimate child, or can be an illegitimate child. However this

yoga also has the power of conferring high political success and

windfall gains.

> View II- Shankapal Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fourth house, Ketu in

tenth: The person with this combination would never be satisfied

with his financial situation and would always strive for more. The

person is prone to troubles relating to immovable property - e.g.

land, houses and modes of conveyance - e.g. cars

> View I -Padam Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the fifth house and Ketu the eleventh house

this Yoga is formed. The native is worried on account of children.

There is difficulty in getting a progeny. If the moon is also

afflicted then there is the possibility of being troubled by

spirits. In this case if a native falls ill the recovery time is

slow. There are also chances of being let down by friends in this

case.

> View II- Padma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fifth house, Ketu in

eleventh: The person would have trouble with children. The person

should never try his luck in lottery, share markets, and anything

where speculation is involved

> View I -Mahapadam Kaalsarp Yoga

> This yoga is formed when Rahu is in the 6th house and Ketu is in

the twelfth house. The native has many enemies and has problems on

account of diseases. However, if this yoga acts beneficially, it has

the power to confer power and political success.

> View II-Mahapadma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in sixth house, Ketu in

twelfth: The person would not do well in relationships and would

have a very pessimistic view of life.

>

> View I- Takshak Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu is in the seventh house and Ketu in the first house

this yoga is formed. The native has speculative tendencies and can

lose wealth by way of wine, women and gambling. There is marital

discord in the life of the native.

> View II - Takshak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in seventh house, Ketu in

first: There is a need for the person to be extra careful in matter

relating to married life and business partnerships.

>

> View I- Karkotak Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the eighth house and Ketu the second house

this yoga is formed. The native is short tempered and has many

enemies. Such a native has friendship with anti-social elements. The

native does not get paternal wealth.

> View II - Karkotik Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eighth house, Ketu in

second: The person does not benefit from any paternal property.

There would be a lot of trust issues between the person and his

friends. This combination is not good for health and Rahu being in

eighth house is usually not considered good as it indicates a sudden

and violent death.

> View I- Shankachood Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the ninth house and Ketu is in the 3rd house

this yoga operates. Natives who have this yoga in the chart have

many ups and down in life. They have a habit of speaking lies. They

are also short tempered.

> View II -Shankhnaad Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in ninth house, Ketu in

third: This combination indicates problems from higher authorities,

government of the day and local administration in the field of

business and commerce.

> View I- Ghatak Kaalsarp Yoga

> This yoga arises when Rahu is in tenth house and Ketu in the

fourth house. Litigation problems are common is this case.

Punishment by law or the Government also possible. However if this

yoga operates in a beneficial manner then it has the power to confer

the highest form of political power, especially in Virgo and Leo

ascendant.

> View II- Paatak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in tenth house, Ketu in

fourth: Rahu being in tenth house indicates problem in employment

and higher authorities whom the person would report to during

his/her job.

>

> View I -Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the eleventh house and Ketu the fifth house

the yoga which arises is the Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga. The native

travels frequently and is never fixed at one place. Problems also

arise from children. However these natives get some peace in the

latter half of their life.

> View II -Vishakt Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eleventh house, Ketu in

fifth: This combination indicates a lot of problems between the

person and his elder brother. The person would also remain away from

his native place throughout his life. The person would be prone to

problems like heart trouble, insomnia etc.

>

> View I- Sheshnag Kaalsarp Yoga

> When Rahu occupies the twelfth house and Ketu the 6th house this

yoga arises. The native has problems relating to litigation. There

are many enemies and health problems.

> View II- Sheshnag Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in twelfth house, Ketu in

sixth: The person would be prone to problems from people whom he

does not know - mysterious enemies.

> Remedies: View II

>

> 1. Pray to Lord Shiva in His Maharudra avatar on Mondays.

Rudrashatakam written by Goswami Tulasidas in Ramacharit Manas

should be chanted regularly.

> 2.Wear a gomed, about two and a half carets in size in the

little finger.

> 3. Wear a special ring, shaped like a serpent with a small Gomed

at the head and a Vaidurya (lahsuniya) at the tail. This ring is to

be worn in the middle finger.

> 4. A pooja at Trayambkeshwara Temple about 40 kms from the city

of Nasik in Maharashtra is suggested.

>

> ViewIII- This gives descriptions about various planets if

outside Rahu- Ketu axis,and there benefit and the important point is

native with KSY and one planet outside meets with sudden and

unexpected changes in his/her life.

>

> Kal Amrita Yoga- If exists, best example is chart of India,

taken from August 15, 1947, 12.00 AM, New Delhi, India.

>

> One lesson by Shri P.V.R.Narshima Rao garu, there is a talk

about these yogas.

>

> More than this info not available with me.

>

> I am searching for chart of prominent people with complete KSY.

( including in file section of this forum)

>

> Thanks!

>

> Om Namah Shivai,

>

> SPI

>

> sushmagupta51 <sushmagupta51 wrote:

> Hello friends,

>

> This seems like a very intersting/controversial discussion, and

very

> informative too. Out of the horoscopes that have been listed below:

>

> 1) some have KSY and others have KAY.

> 2) There is a dictum - that KSY/KAY is broken by planets in Lagna

or

> conjoining Rahu or Ketu. If it happens it results in a Maha Yoga

> which can take the native to unbelievable heights.

>

> Keeping this in mind, now look at all the horoscopes listed again.

> e.g.- Nehru, has Jupiter and Moon breaking the KAY. Once that

> happened he reached great heights! similarly apply the dictum to

> other horoscopes.

>

> Instead of debating Lets take a constructive approach -

> 1) list the negatives of the KSY/KAY yoga

> 2) look at the horoscopes of natives with KSY/KAY and analyze and

> contrast both (1) with (2)

>

> Let me know if that sounds good to members of the forum?

>

> Warm regards,

> Pranav

>

> vedic astrology, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> >

> > You could be right. My point is that it remains a hypothesis

> > (like those who claim KSY is bad) until it is proven

> > conclusively with proper data points.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24@> wrote:

> >

> > > See that I have written about full / partial KSY as people are

> > > using it too. Read the book referred to or ask the proponents

> > > of so called KSY to predict before hand. Then, think

> > > judiciously, how a yoga that stays there for about 14 -15 days

> > > (100% as per your definition) be of any significance. Combine

> > > it with the fact that no classical reference is found for the

> > > so called KSY.

> > >

> > > P.Kumar

> > >

> > > -

> > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:28 PM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > > Astroresearch no 5

> > >

> > > Dear Kumarji,

> > >

> > > With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

> > > horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not

> > > find

> > > a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

> > >

> > > - Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

> > > - Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

> > > - Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

> > > - Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

> > > - Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

> > > - Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

> > > - Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

> > > Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala

> > > Amrita

> > > Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as

> > > planets

> > > are between Ketu and Rahu.

> > >

> > > I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant

> > > (even

> > > in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

> > >

> > > Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

> > > conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data

> > > before

> > > accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or

> > > anything

> > > proposed by anyone.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the

> > > book

> > > > 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran

> > > astrologer

> > > > Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

> > > > presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in

> > > their

> > > > charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply

> > > sound

> > > > common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound

> > > common

> > > > sense to following facts:

> > > >

> > > > 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for

> > > almost

> > > > 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

> > > > axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during

> > > this

> > > > period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

> > > > life ?

> > > > 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY

> > > (when

> > > > one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

> > > > responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer,

> > > say

> > > > even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ?

> > > Remember,

> > > > subtleties are most important in astrology.

> > > >

> > > > Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

> > > > Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar

> > > the

> > > > Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and

> > > many

> > > > -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious

> > > and

> > > > prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

> > > > unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa

> > > Yoga

> > > > in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

> > > >

> > > > P.Kumar

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Suri allam

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > > > Astroresearch no 5

> > > >

> > > > Om gurave namah!

> > > > Dear kandpall jee,

> > > > I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or

> > > maladies

> > > > and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga.

> > > how

> > > > to prove that it is there or not.

> > > > I think some true data will do?

> > > > Thanks!

> > > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > > SPI

> > > > Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal@> wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

> > > > etc.

> > > > mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

> > > > something

> > > > please do share.

> > > >

> > > > In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

> > > > that

> > > > occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

> > > > Rahu-Ketu

> > > > are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

> > > > Devata is

> > > > prescribed with other methods etc.

> > > >

> > > > As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

> > > > such yogas

> > > > where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

> > > > prosperity

> > > > of their own.

> > > >

> > > > This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years

> > > back

> > > > and a

> > > > number of people have been making money out of this by

> > > > creating fear

> > > > in people's mind.

> > > >

> > > > As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe

> > > out

> > > > such

> > > > myths rather than proliferating these.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Prakash Kandpal

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

> > > > <gkgoel1937@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

> > > > such

> > > > thing like Kala-

> > > > > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> > > > > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

> > > > it is

> > > > bound to have some good or bad effects.

> > > > > That is all about these yogas.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > >

> > > > > Suri allam <ianianala@> wrote:

> > > > > Om gurave Namah!

> > > > > Dear gaurav jee,

> > > > > kindly can you share with us what research you did and

> > > how

> > > > you

> > > > concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> > > > > I am interested in your research approach and

> > > conclusion.

> > > > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > > > SPI

> > > > >

> > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote:

> > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > > Dear Anilji,

> > > > > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done

> > > a

> > > > research

> > > > > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> > > > > I hope this helps,

> > > > > Thanq,

> > > > > With Humbleness,

> > > > > Wish u all success,

> > > > >

> > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> > > > > http://gauravg.askagent.com

> > > > > ------------Send messages to the group, not to

> > > > me------------------

> > > > --

> > > > >

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

>

> Thanks!

> Om Namah Shivai!

>

> SPI

>

August 17, 2006

Dear Suri Allam,

One clarification-

When Rahu leads (in reverse order) it is Kalasarpa Yogam and when Kethu leads (in reverse order) it is Kala Amrita Yogam. Means when Rahu is in Lagna and Kethu in 7th, in reverse order Rahu is leading and it is Kalasarpa Yogam. Instead if Rahu is 7th and Kethu is in Lagna, then in reverse order Kethu is leading and it is Kala Amrita Yogam which is not harmful.

Regards

Ravi Nair

Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

Om Sri gurave Namah!

Dear Members,

Yes, Let us discuss, what exactle KSY/KAS are.

What is Kaalsarp?

View I- When all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu (i.e., the moon's north node and the moon's south node), Kaalsarp Yoga is formed. Complete Kaalsarp Yoga is formed only when half of the chart is unoccupied by planets. Even if one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu Axis, there is no Kaalsarp Yoga.

Before you do any remedies for the Kaalsarp Yoga, make sure that all planets are between Rahu and Ketu. Even if there is one planet outside the Rahu-Ketu axis the Kaalsarp Yoga does not exist.

The Kaalsarp Yoga is not always bad. It has the power to confer gains too.All planets must be hemmed between Rahu and Ketu.Even if one planet is outside the Rahu Ketu axis there is no Kaalsarp Yoga.Rahu is the moon's north node. Ketu is the moon's south node.

View II- A lot has been read, said and discussed about the Kalsarpa Yoga. This yoga, and please notice the choice of words - it is a yoga and _not_ a dosha, is caused when all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. The figure on the side illustrates this point. If a person has Kalsarpa yoga in his kundali, Rahu and Ketu are said to limit the potential of the chart and not allow other important yogas to take effect. In practice, it is observed that this role of Rahu and Ketu diminishes over time and good things are just delayed for such people. Again, noted Astrologer Dr.B.V.Raman is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the other axis while all the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis, then the evil arising out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised.

This is just a commentary on what I have learnt about Kalsarpa yoga over the years. My advice to the readers is not to take this yoga too seriously and go on with the life. Research shows that this yoga was not a part of classical texts written by great sages like Parashara, Bhrigu etc. but gained importance later.

View I-Type of Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu is in the first House and Ketu in the seventh house and the rest of the planets are to the left of this axis the Yoga which arises is the Anant Kalsarp Yoga. This is also called as Vipareeta Kaalsarp yoga opposite Kaalsarp Yoga. Though this yoga has the power to give windfall gains to the native, it is bad for marital life. Generally natives with this yoga get married late in life .

View II - Types of Kalsarpa Yoga

There are 12 types of Kalsarpa Yoga. Kal Amrita Yoga is not a seperate yoga..

View I- Anant Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in Lagna, Ketu in seventh house: The person is prone to be target of conspiracies hatched by people supposedly close to him. The person is likely to lose out in matters of courts. Married life would be marred by differences between husband and wife.

View I - Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the second house and Ketu the eighth house Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga arises. This combination is bad for health. The probability of losses and accidents is high with natives of this combination. This is bad for financial prosperity too. The native is worried on account of an insecure financial standing.

View II-Kulika Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in second house, Ketu in eighth: This combination is not good for the person's health. Expenses would be more then the income and the financial situation would remain fairly mediocre. He has to struggle a lot in life to achieve something.

View I- Vasuki Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the third house and Ketu the ninth house and the rest of the planets are located to the left of the Rahu Ketu axis, this yoga is born. The native is burdened with problems relating to job and business.

View II - Vasuki Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in third house, Ketu in ninth: The person would have trouble dealing with his brothers and friends. Travel to foreign countries would create problems. The person having this combination in his chart should take precautions in deals by paying extra attention towards legal documentation.

View I -Shankpal Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the 4th house and Ketu the 10th this yoga is formed. The native gets trouble relating to work sphere and has to go through stress and anxiety. Sometimes the native has an illegitimate child, or can be an illegitimate child. However this yoga also has the power of conferring high political success and windfall gains.

View II- Shankapal Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fourth house, Ketu in tenth: The person with this combination would never be satisfied with his financial situation and would always strive for more. The person is prone to troubles relating to immovable property - e.g. land, houses and modes of conveyance - e.g. cars

View I -Padam Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the fifth house and Ketu the eleventh house this Yoga is formed. The native is worried on account of children. There is difficulty in getting a progeny. If the moon is also afflicted then there is the possibility of being troubled by spirits. In this case if a native falls ill the recovery time is slow. There are also chances of being let down by friends in this case.

View II- Padma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fifth house, Ketu in eleventh: The person would have trouble with children. The person should never try his luck in lottery, share markets, and anything where speculation is involved

View I -Mahapadam Kaalsarp Yoga

This yoga is formed when Rahu is in the 6th house and Ketu is in the twelfth house. The native has many enemies and has problems on account of diseases. However, if this yoga acts beneficially, it has the power to confer power and political success.

View II-Mahapadma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in sixth house, Ketu in twelfth: The person would not do well in relationships and would have a very pessimistic view of life.

View I- Takshak Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu is in the seventh house and Ketu in the first house this yoga is formed. The native has speculative tendencies and can lose wealth by way of wine, women and gambling. There is marital discord in the life of the native.

View II - Takshak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in seventh house, Ketu in first: There is a need for the person to be extra careful in matter relating to married life and business partnerships.

View I- Karkotak Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the eighth house and Ketu the second house this yoga is formed. The native is short tempered and has many enemies. Such a native has friendship with anti-social elements. The native does not get paternal wealth.

View II - Karkotik Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eighth house, Ketu in second: The person does not benefit from any paternal property. There would be a lot of trust issues between the person and his friends. This combination is not good for health and Rahu being in eighth house is usually not considered good as it indicates a sudden and violent death.

View I- Shankachood Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the ninth house and Ketu is in the 3rd house this yoga operates. Natives who have this yoga in the chart have many ups and down in life. They have a habit of speaking lies. They are also short tempered.

View II -Shankhnaad Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in ninth house, Ketu in third: This combination indicates problems from higher authorities, government of the day and local administration in the field of business and commerce.

View I- Ghatak Kaalsarp Yoga

This yoga arises when Rahu is in tenth house and Ketu in the fourth house. Litigation problems are common is this case. Punishment by law or the Government also possible. However if this yoga operates in a beneficial manner then it has the power to confer the highest form of political power, especially in Virgo and Leo ascendant.

View II- Paatak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in tenth house, Ketu in fourth: Rahu being in tenth house indicates problem in employment and higher authorities whom the person would report to during his/her job.

View I -Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the eleventh house and Ketu the fifth house the yoga which arises is the Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga. The native travels frequently and is never fixed at one place. Problems also arise from children. However these natives get some peace in the latter half of their life.

View II -Vishakt Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eleventh house, Ketu in fifth: This combination indicates a lot of problems between the person and his elder brother. The person would also remain away from his native place throughout his life. The person would be prone to problems like heart trouble, insomnia etc.

View I- Sheshnag Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the twelfth house and Ketu the 6th house this yoga arises. The native has problems relating to litigation. There are many enemies and health problems.

View II- Sheshnag Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in twelfth house, Ketu in sixth: The person would be prone to problems from people whom he does not know - mysterious enemies.

Remedies: View II

1. Pray to Lord Shiva in His Maharudra avatar on Mondays. Rudrashatakam written by Goswami Tulasidas in Ramacharit Manas should be chanted regularly.

2.Wear a gomed, about two and a half carets in size in the little finger.

3. Wear a special ring, shaped like a serpent with a small Gomed at the head and a Vaidurya (lahsuniya) at the tail. This ring is to be worn in the middle finger.

4. A pooja at Trayambkeshwara Temple about 40 kms from the city of Nasik in Maharashtra is suggested.

ViewIII- This gives descriptions about various planets if outside Rahu- Ketu axis,and there benefit and the important point is native with KSY and one planet outside meets with sudden and unexpected changes in his/her life.

Kal Amrita Yoga- If exists, best example is chart of India, taken from August 15, 1947, 12.00 AM, New Delhi, India.

One lesson by Shri P.V.R.Narshima Rao garu, there is a talk about these yogas.

More than this info not available with me.

I am searching for chart of prominent people with complete KSY. ( including in file section of this forum)

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai,

SPI

sushmagupta51 <sushmagupta51 > wrote:

Hello friends,

This seems like a very intersting/controversial discussion, and very

informative too. Out of the horoscopes that have been listed below:

1) some have KSY and others have KAY.

2) There is a dictum - that KSY/KAY is broken by planets in Lagna or

conjoining Rahu or Ketu. If it happens it results in a Maha Yoga

which can take the native to unbelievable heights.

Keeping this in mind, now look at all the horoscopes listed again.

e.g.- Nehru, has Jupiter and Moon breaking the KAY. Once that

happened he reached great heights! similarly apply the dictum to

other horoscopes.

Instead of debating Lets take a constructive approach -

1) list the negatives of the KSY/KAY yoga

2) look at the horoscopes of natives with KSY/KAY and analyze and

contrast both (1) with (2)

Let me know if that sounds good to members of the forum?

Warm regards,

Pranav

vedic astrology, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> You could be right. My point is that it remains a hypothesis

> (like those who claim KSY is bad) until it is proven

> conclusively with proper data points.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 wrote:

>

> > See that I have written about full / partial KSY as people are

> > using it too. Read the book referred to or ask the proponents

> > of so called KSY to predict before hand. Then, think

> > judiciously, how a yoga that stays there for about 14 -15 days

> > (100% as per your definition) be of any significance. Combine

> > it with the fact that no classical reference is found for the

> > so called KSY.

> >

> > P.Kumar

> >

> > -

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > vedic astrology

> > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:28 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > Astroresearch no 5

> >

> > Dear Kumarji,

> >

> > With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

> > horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not

> > find

> > a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

> >

> > - Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

> > - Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

> > - Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

> > - Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

> > - Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

> > - Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

> > - Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

> > Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala

> > Amrita

> > Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as

> > planets

> > are between Ketu and Rahu.

> >

> > I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant

> > (even

> > in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

> >

> > Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

> > conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data

> > before

> > accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or

> > anything

> > proposed by anyone.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 wrote:

> >

> > > For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the

> > book

> > > 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran

> > astrologer

> > > Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

> > > presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in

> > their

> > > charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply

> > sound

> > > common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound

> > common

> > > sense to following facts:

> > >

> > > 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for

> > almost

> > > 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

> > > axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during

> > this

> > > period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

> > > life ?

> > > 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY

> > (when

> > > one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

> > > responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer,

> > say

> > > even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ?

> > Remember,

> > > subtleties are most important in astrology.

> > >

> > > Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

> > > Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar

> > the

> > > Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and

> > many

> > > -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious

> > and

> > > prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

> > > unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa

> > Yoga

> > > in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

> > >

> > > P.Kumar

> > >

> > > -

> > > Suri allam

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > > Astroresearch no 5

> > >

> > > Om gurave namah!

> > > Dear kandpall jee,

> > > I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or

> > maladies

> > > and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga.

> > how

> > > to prove that it is there or not.

> > > I think some true data will do?

> > > Thanks!

> > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > SPI

> > > Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

> > > etc.

> > > mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

> > > something

> > > please do share.

> > >

> > > In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

> > > that

> > > occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

> > > Rahu-Ketu

> > > are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

> > > Devata is

> > > prescribed with other methods etc.

> > >

> > > As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

> > > such yogas

> > > where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

> > > prosperity

> > > of their own.

> > >

> > > This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years

> > back

> > > and a

> > > number of people have been making money out of this by

> > > creating fear

> > > in people's mind.

> > >

> > > As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe

> > out

> > > such

> > > myths rather than proliferating these.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Prakash Kandpal

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

> > > <gkgoel1937@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

> > > such

> > > thing like Kala-

> > > > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> > > > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

> > > it is

> > > bound to have some good or bad effects.

> > > > That is all about these yogas.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > >

> > > > Suri allam <ianianala@> wrote:

> > > > Om gurave Namah!

> > > > Dear gaurav jee,

> > > > kindly can you share with us what research you did and

> > how

> > > you

> > > concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> > > > I am interested in your research approach and

> > conclusion.

> > > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > > SPI

> > > >

> > > > <gg_0202@> wrote:

> > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > Dear Anilji,

> > > > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done

> > a

> > > research

> > > > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> > > > I hope this helps,

> > > > Thanq,

> > > > With Humbleness,

> > > > Wish u all success,

> > > >

> > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> > > > http://gauravg.askagent.com

> > > > ------------Send messages to the group, not to

> > > me------------------

> > > --

> > > >

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

August 17, 2006

Om Sri gurave Namah!

Dear swami jee,

To start with, I do not see anything dreadful in this yoga, even if it is invented in mordern times, if you see carefully, almost evry type of KSY is with

little extra load on the native in certain aspect of his or her life, but nothing like it is made out to be, very serious malefic phala is given by sani and more or less all planets if placed badly.

If you read "Lal Kitab", which is a book full of worst case scenarios for almost every planet in different houses, I am not talking about rahu and ketu alone, when the vedic astrology came into being, only rahu and ketu were probably causing discomfort to the native, but today "kalyuga" even Jupiter gives phala like a malefic. ( based on real life experiences).

I feel KSY is everyones problem, a routine hiccup! KSY or no KSY.

OK let me solve your riddle seriously, the number of children is 74880, possibly born during 13 day time period, so each 6240 will have one type of KSY, but lagna wiil be different, lagna changes every 2 hours ( roughly), so again, each 520 will have same KSY and lagna, mercury changes one house every 15 days, so if it falls between KSY 13 days, then two types of mercury, so again each 260 pople will have same KSY, Lagna and Me,

So if I take the probability of each planet change, then roughly, 8 people will have same configuration, Oh! what about, nakshatra, 27, longitude and latitude difference, so what are we left with, it is normal, this is what happens with every planet.

Another example, sani stays in one house for roughly, two years and jupiter for one year, and if they are in Ar and Cp, 767376000 kids born during that period are doomed,what do you say! they will all have neecha, or debilitated Sa and Ju. in that case Rahu and Ketu might protect them :-).

KSY is just nothing to worry about! worry about Sa and Ju.

Please take it as a hypothesis.

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

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