Kal Sarpa dosha- Astroresearch no 5

August 10, 2006

Om gurave Namah!

Dear gaurav jee,

kindly can you share with us what research you did and how you concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

wrote:

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Anilji,

There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a research

on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

I hope this helps,

Thanq,

With Humbleness,

Wish u all success,

http://gauravastro.150m.com

http://gauravg.askagent.com

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vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan" <thuttu

wrote:

>

> Namaste all,

>

> I am very curious to Astrology.

>

> I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me that i have

> kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my family

life

> is a total collapse.

>

> I also like to know if there is any affect on my life since Mars

is

> coming closer to Earth this month.

>

> My Name is Anil

> Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

>

> My wife's name is Ranjini

> Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

>

> My Son't name: Pranav

> Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not sure

about

> exact time)

> Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

>

> I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and if there is

> any chance of happiness.

>

> Thank you all

>

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August 11, 2006

Dear friend,

There is no mention of Kala Sarpa Yoga for natal

astrology.

It is just a traunt by bad astrlogers.

The planet that immediately comes after Rahu and Ketu

when you go anti-zodiacally (i.e. taurus to aries)

may be a snap shot indicator of some important good

and bad things in your life.

For example if just after the Rahu the planet that

comes when counted anti-zodiacally is your 7th lord

(but not eclipsed)

then the person is definitely enjoy married life.

If the planet comeing just after Ketu is 5th lord then

the person will get children/son after doing some

puja/remedial measures for lord Ganesh(ketu) or with

the blessings of a Saintly man.

Rahu = indicates our attachements

Ketu= the void or want in life as a planet of

renunciation

The Ketu or the tail of the sanke is called the

'Sarpa'

and the mouth of the snake i.e. Rahu is also called

'Kala' or the personified time. It ensures to trap us

in its attahcment by giving some thing like

relationship/knowledge/money/status wealth etc.

just to teach a lesson

to us about the ultimate meaninglessness of these

things of attraction.

With regards to all,

Mrutyunjay

August 11, 2006

Dear Friends,

We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no such thing like Kala-

srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis it is bound to have some good or bad effects.

That is all about these yogas.

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

Om gurave Namah!

Dear gaurav jee,

kindly can you share with us what research you did and how you concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

wrote:

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Anilji,

There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a research

on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

I hope this helps,

Thanq,

With Humbleness,

Wish u all success,

http://gauravastro.150m.com

http://gauravg.askagent.com

------------Send messages to the group, not to me--------------------

vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan" <thuttu

wrote:

>

> Namaste all,

>

> I am very curious to Astrology.

>

> I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me that i have

> kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my family

life

> is a total collapse.

>

> I also like to know if there is any affect on my life since Mars

is

> coming closer to Earth this month.

>

> My Name is Anil

> Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

>

> My wife's name is Ranjini

> Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

>

> My Son't name: Pranav

> Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not sure

about

> exact time)

> Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

>

> I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and if there is

> any chance of happiness.

>

> Thank you all

>

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August 11, 2006

Dear All,

I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha etc.

mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have something

please do share.

In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga that

occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein Rahu-Ketu

are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga Devata is

prescribed with other methods etc.

As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with such yogas

where the people belong to prosperous families or do have prosperity

of their own.

This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years back and a

number of people have been making money out of this by creating fear

in people's mind.

As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe out such

myths rather than proliferating these.

Regards,

Prakash Kandpal

vedic astrology, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no such

thing like Kala-

> srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis it is

bound to have some good or bad effects.

> That is all about these yogas.

> Regards,

> G.K.GOEL

>

> Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

> Om gurave Namah!

> Dear gaurav jee,

> kindly can you share with us what research you did and how you

concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

>

> <gg_0202 wrote:

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Dear Anilji,

> There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a research

> on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> I hope this helps,

> Thanq,

> With Humbleness,

> Wish u all success,

>

> http://gauravastro.150m.com

> http://gauravg.askagent.com

> ------------Send messages to the group, not to me------------------

--

>

> vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan" <thuttu@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste all,

> >

> > I am very curious to Astrology.

> >

> > I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me that i

have

> > kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my family

> life

> > is a total collapse.

> >

> > I also like to know if there is any affect on my life since Mars

> is

> > coming closer to Earth this month.

> >

> > My Name is Anil

> > Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> > Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

> >

> > My wife's name is Ranjini

> > Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

> >

> > My Son't name: Pranav

> > Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not sure

> about

> > exact time)

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

> >

> > I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and if there

is

> > any chance of happiness.

> >

> > Thank you all

> >

>

> Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk

email the boot with the All-new Mail

>

August 11, 2006

There is one Chennai Astrologer, who gives Tele Remedies, charging exhorbitantly.... Advertises on this Yoga in Stellar Astrology and cure!

Is there a way we can stop such people fleecing gullible people on a non available Yoga?

Learned members, please comment.

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Friends,

We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no such thing like Kala-

srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis it is bound to have some good or bad effects.

That is all about these yogas.

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

Om gurave Namah!

Dear gaurav jee,

kindly can you share with us what research you did and how you concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

wrote:

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Anilji,

There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a research

on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

I hope this helps,

Thanq,

With Humbleness,

Wish u all success,

http://gauravastro.150m.com

http://gauravg.askagent.com

------------Send messages to the group, not to me--------------------

vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan" <thuttu

wrote:

>

> Namaste all,

>

> I am very curious to Astrology.

>

> I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me that i have

> kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my family

life

> is a total collapse.

>

> I also like to know if there is any affect on my life since Mars

is

> coming closer to Earth this month.

>

> My Name is Anil

> Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

>

> My wife's name is Ranjini

> Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

>

> My Son't name: Pranav

> Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not sure

about

> exact time)

> Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

>

> I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and if there is

> any chance of happiness.

>

> Thank you all

>

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August 11, 2006

Dear Ramesh Tendulkar,

I am sorry to write that it is not possible for a

forum to stop such people, an individual can do the

same as a consumer as in case of a doctor' service or

a lawyer's service.

So far as Kala sarpa yoga is concern, I am in the

favor of such yoga. Rahu is the only planet (though

shadowy) to eclipse Sun. What to say when all planets

are in the grip of Rahu.I treat it a Nabhas Aakriti

yoga. But according to some learned astrologers Nabhas

yoga does not consider Rahu and Ketu as planet. They

are right. But still the yoga is effective in my

personal experience. But it is not bad only. It

depends on the house involved,odd or even.When Sun or

Moon conjoined with Rahu it become more severe.It

indicates life full of struggle, up and down as in

ladder and snake game. These native comes with certain

objective in life to achieve. Rahu is a Karmic planet

and indicates the previous life and when ever four or

five planets are on the one side of Rahu some man-made

or natural tragedy takes place. Read my articles on

"Earth quake" in Times of Astrology and Tragedy in

Future samachar.

ramesh tendulkar <ram_t_1968 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> There is one Chennai Astrologer, who gives Tele

> Remedies, charging exhorbitantly.... Advertises on

> this Yoga in Stellar Astrology and cure!

>

> Is there a way we can stop such people fleecing

> gullible people on a non available Yoga?

>

> Learned members, please comment.

>

> Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> Dear Friends,

> We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there

> is no such thing like Kala-

> srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu

> axis it is bound to have some good or bad effects.

> That is all about these yogas.

> Regards,

> G.K.GOEL

>

> Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

> Om gurave Namah!

> Dear gaurav jee,

> kindly can you share with us what research you did

> and how you concluded that there is no such thing

> like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> I am interested in your research approach and

> conclusion.

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

>

> wrote:

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Dear Anilji,

> There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have

> done a research

> on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> I hope this helps,

> Thanq,

> With Humbleness,

> Wish u all success,

>

> http://gauravastro.150m.com

> http://gauravg.askagent.com

> ------------Send messages to the group, not to

> me--------------------

>

> vedic astrology, "Anil

> Krishnan" <thuttu

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste all,

> >

> > I am very curious to Astrology.

> >

> > I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone

> told me that i have

> > kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the

> reason my family

> life

> > is a total collapse.

> >

> > I also like to know if there is any affect on my

> life since Mars

> is

> > coming closer to Earth this month.

> >

> > My Name is Anil

> > Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> > Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

> >

> > My wife's name is Ranjini

> > Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

> >

> > My Son't name: Pranav

> > Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i

> am not sure

> about

> > exact time)

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

> >

> > I appreciate any explanation of my family problems

> and if there is

> > any chance of happiness.

> >

> > Thank you all

> >

>

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August 11, 2006

Om gurave namah!

Dear goel jee,

Why not share with us the origin of this yoga, its bad or good effects, and also remedies if any

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Friends,

We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no such thing like Kala-

srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis it is bound to have some good or bad effects.

That is all about these yogas.

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

Om gurave Namah!

Dear gaurav jee,

kindly can you share with us what research you did and how you concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

wrote:

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Anilji,

There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a research

on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

I hope this helps,

Thanq,

With Humbleness,

Wish u all success,

http://gauravastro.150m.com

http://gauravg.askagent.com

------------Send messages to the group, not to me--------------------

vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan" <thuttu

wrote:

>

> Namaste all,

>

> I am very curious to Astrology.

>

> I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me that i have

> kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my family

life

> is a total collapse.

>

> I also like to know if there is any affect on my life since Mars

is

> coming closer to Earth this month.

>

> My Name is Anil

> Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

>

> My wife's name is Ranjini

> Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

>

> My Son't name: Pranav

> Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not sure

about

> exact time)

> Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

>

> I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and if there is

> any chance of happiness.

>

> Thank you all

>

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August 11, 2006

Om gurave namah!

Dear kandpall jee,

I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or maladies and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga. how to prove that it is there or not.

I think some true data will do?

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal > wrote:

Dear All,

I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha etc.

mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have something

please do share.

In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga that

occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein Rahu-Ketu

are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga Devata is

prescribed with other methods etc.

As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with such yogas

where the people belong to prosperous families or do have prosperity

of their own.

This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years back and a

number of people have been making money out of this by creating fear

in people's mind.

As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe out such

myths rather than proliferating these.

Regards,

Prakash Kandpal

vedic astrology, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no such

thing like Kala-

> srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis it is

bound to have some good or bad effects.

> That is all about these yogas.

> Regards,

> G.K.GOEL

>

> Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

> Om gurave Namah!

> Dear gaurav jee,

> kindly can you share with us what research you did and how you

concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

>

> <gg_0202 wrote:

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Dear Anilji,

> There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a research

> on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> I hope this helps,

> Thanq,

> With Humbleness,

> Wish u all success,

>

> http://gauravastro.150m.com

> http://gauravg.askagent.com

> ------------Send messages to the group, not to me------------------

--

>

> vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan" <thuttu@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste all,

> >

> > I am very curious to Astrology.

> >

> > I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me that i

have

> > kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my family

> life

> > is a total collapse.

> >

> > I also like to know if there is any affect on my life since Mars

> is

> > coming closer to Earth this month.

> >

> > My Name is Anil

> > Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> > Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

> >

> > My wife's name is Ranjini

> > Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

> >

> > My Son't name: Pranav

> > Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not sure

> about

> > exact time)

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

> >

> > I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and if there

is

> > any chance of happiness.

> >

> > Thank you all

> >

>

> Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk

email the boot with the All-new Mail

>

August 11, 2006

Om gurave namah!

Dear Tendulkar jee,

Education is the key, but with some solid data to negate it or may be to support it.

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

ramesh tendulkar <ram_t_1968 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

There is one Chennai Astrologer, who gives Tele Remedies, charging exhorbitantly.... Advertises on this Yoga in Stellar Astrology and cure!

Is there a way we can stop such people fleecing gullible people on a non available Yoga?

Learned members, please comment.

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Friends,

We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no such thing like Kala-

srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis it is bound to have some good or bad effects.

That is all about these yogas.

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

Om gurave Namah!

Dear gaurav jee,

kindly can you share with us what research you did and how you concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

wrote:

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Anilji,

There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a research

on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

I hope this helps,

Thanq,

With Humbleness,

Wish u all success,

http://gauravastro.150m.com

http://gauravg.askagent.com

------------Send messages to the group, not to me--------------------

vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan" <thuttu

wrote:

>

> Namaste all,

>

> I am very curious to Astrology.

>

> I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me that i have

> kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my family

life

> is a total collapse.

>

> I also like to know if there is any affect on my life since Mars

is

> coming closer to Earth this month.

>

> My Name is Anil

> Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

>

> My wife's name is Ranjini

> Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

>

> My Son't name: Pranav

> Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not sure

about

> exact time)

> Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

>

> I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and if there is

> any chance of happiness.

>

> Thank you all

>

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August 12, 2006

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Shreegopalji,

With due respect, i cant impose my belief on other people...as this

is reasonless....it rests upon personal beliefs &

practices..previously a book has been written by Shree

K.N.Raoji...if u desire, u can read that book....i have no objection

if people believes in this so-called "created yoga"....(but who am i

to object)...

If the Paramatman desires, then only people will be moved....i dont

want to get into controversies like KSY or Sade sati...as this is

reasonless like talking about this subject in front of a non-

believer of Astrology or a Marxist...

If u desire, you can read the article from my website...i have many

realtime experiences where i have seen people having KSY, enjoys a

happy life....but i dont add those as people will think that those r

my creations & may accuse me for false data....in my sade-sati work

i have added some realtiem experiences, as i was accused for talking

about famous persons in my KSY paper...

http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

Thanq

With Humbleness,

Wish u all Success,

http://gauravastro.150m.com

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vedic astrology, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no such

thing like Kala-

> srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis it is

bound to have some good or bad effects.

> That is all about these yogas.

> Regards,

> G.K.GOEL

>

> Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

> Om gurave Namah!

> Dear gaurav jee,

> kindly can you share with us what research you did and how you

concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

>

> <gg_0202 wrote:

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Dear Anilji,

> There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a research

> on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> I hope this helps,

> Thanq,

> With Humbleness,

> Wish u all success,

>

> http://gauravastro.150m.com

> http://gauravg.askagent.com

> ------------Send messages to the group, not to me------------------

--

>

> vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan" <thuttu@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste all,

> >

> > I am very curious to Astrology.

> >

> > I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me that i

have

> > kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my family

> life

> > is a total collapse.

> >

> > I also like to know if there is any affect on my life since Mars

> is

> > coming closer to Earth this month.

> >

> > My Name is Anil

> > Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> > Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

> >

> > My wife's name is Ranjini

> > Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

> >

> > My Son't name: Pranav

> > Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not sure

> about

> > exact time)

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

> >

> > I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and if there

is

> > any chance of happiness.

> >

> > Thank you all

> >

>

> Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk

email the boot with the All-new Mail

>

August 12, 2006

For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the book 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran astrologer Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says.. Many prime-ministers, presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in their charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply sound common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound common sense to following facts:

1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for almost 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during this period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable life ?

2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY (when one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer, say even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ? Remember, subtleties are most important in astrology.

Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar the Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and many -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious and prosperous life, at least much better than billions of unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa Yoga in their horoscopes.. Now decide yourself.

P.Kumar

-

Suri allam

vedic astrology

Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha- Astroresearch no 5

Om gurave namah!

Dear kandpall jee,

I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or maladies and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga. how to prove that it is there or not.

I think some true data will do?

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal > wrote:

Dear All,

I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha etc.

mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have something

please do share.

In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga that

occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein Rahu-Ketu

are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga Devata is

prescribed with other methods etc.

As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with such yogas

where the people belong to prosperous families or do have prosperity

of their own.

This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years back and a

number of people have been making money out of this by creating fear

in people's mind.

As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe out such

myths rather than proliferating these.

Regards,

Prakash Kandpal

vedic astrology, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no such

thing like Kala-

> srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis it is

bound to have some good or bad effects.

> That is all about these yogas.

> Regards,

> G.K.GOEL

>

> Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

> Om gurave Namah!

> Dear gaurav jee,

> kindly can you share with us what research you did and how you

concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

>

> <gg_0202 wrote:

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Dear Anilji,

> There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a research

> on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> I hope this helps,

> Thanq,

> With Humbleness,

> Wish u all success,

>

> http://gauravastro.150m.com

> http://gauravg.askagent.com

> ------------Send messages to the group, not to me------------------

--

>

> vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan" <thuttu@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste all,

> >

> > I am very curious to Astrology.

> >

> > I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me that i

have

> > kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my family

> life

> > is a total collapse.

> >

> > I also like to know if there is any affect on my life since Mars

> is

> > coming closer to Earth this month.

> >

> > My Name is Anil

> > Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> > Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

> >

> > My wife's name is Ranjini

> > Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

> >

> > My Son't name: Pranav

> > Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not sure

> about

> > exact time)

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

> >

> > I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and if there

is

> > any chance of happiness.

> >

> > Thank you all

> >

>

> Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk

email the boot with the All-new Mail

>

August 12, 2006

Dear Kumarji,

With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not find

a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

- Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

- Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

- Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

- Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

- Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

- Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

- Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala Amrita

Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as planets

are between Ketu and Rahu.

I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant (even

in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data before

accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or anything

proposed by anyone.

Regards,

Krishna

--- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 > wrote:

> For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the book

> 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran astrologer

> Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

> presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in their

> charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply sound

> common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound common

> sense to following facts:

>

> 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for almost

> 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

> axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during this

> period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

> life ?

> 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY (when

> one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

> responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer, say

> even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ? Remember,

> subtleties are most important in astrology.

>

> Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

> Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar the

> Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and many

> -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious and

> prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

> unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa Yoga

> in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

>

> P.Kumar

>

> -

> Suri allam

> vedic astrology

> Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> Astroresearch no 5

>

> Om gurave namah!

> Dear kandpall jee,

> I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or maladies

> and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga. how

> to prove that it is there or not.

> I think some true data will do?

> Thanks!

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

> Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal > wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

> etc.

> mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

> something

> please do share.

>

> In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

> that

> occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

> Rahu-Ketu

> are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

> Devata is

> prescribed with other methods etc.

>

> As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

> such yogas

> where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

> prosperity

> of their own.

>

> This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years back

> and a

> number of people have been making money out of this by

> creating fear

> in people's mind.

>

> As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe out

> such

> myths rather than proliferating these.

>

> Regards,

> Prakash Kandpal

>

> vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

> such

> thing like Kala-

> > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

> it is

> bound to have some good or bad effects.

> > That is all about these yogas.

> > Regards,

> > G.K.GOEL

> >

> > Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

> > Om gurave Namah!

> > Dear gaurav jee,

> > kindly can you share with us what research you did and how

> you

> concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> > I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

> > Om Namah Shivai!

> > SPI

> >

> > <gg_0202 wrote:

> > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > Dear Anilji,

> > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a

> research

> > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> > I hope this helps,

> > Thanq,

> > With Humbleness,

> > Wish u all success,

> >

> > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> > http://gauravg.askagent.com

> > ------------Send messages to the group, not to

> me------------------

> --

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan"

> <thuttu@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste all,

> > >

> > > I am very curious to Astrology.

> > >

> > > I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me

> that i

> have

> > > kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my

> family

> > life

> > > is a total collapse.

> > >

> > > I also like to know if there is any affect on my life

> since Mars

> > is

> > > coming closer to Earth this month.

> > >

> > > My Name is Anil

> > > Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> > > Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

> > >

> > > My wife's name is Ranjini

> > > Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> > > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

> > >

> > > My Son't name: Pranav

> > > Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not

> sure

> > about

> > > exact time)

> > > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

> > >

> > > I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and

> if there

> is

> > > any chance of happiness.

> > >

> > > Thank you all

> > >

> >

> > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving

> junk

> email the boot with the All-new Mail

> >

August 12, 2006

Dear Sir,

How is the window calculated? Any software that shows that?

Thanks in advance.

Regards

Ramesh

"P.Kumar" <pkumar24 > wrote:

For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the book 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran astrologer Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers, presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in their charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply sound common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound common sense to following facts:

1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for almost 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during this period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable life ?

2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY (when one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer, say even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ? Remember, subtleties are most important in astrology.

Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar the Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and many -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious and prosperous life, at least much better than billions of unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa Yoga in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

P.Kumar

-

Suri allam

vedic astrology

Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha- Astroresearch no 5

Om gurave namah!

Dear kandpall jee,

I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or maladies and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga. how to prove that it is there or not.

I think some true data will do?

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal > wrote:

Dear All,

I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha etc.

mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have something

please do share.

In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga that

occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein Rahu-Ketu

are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga Devata is

prescribed with other methods etc.

As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with such yogas

where the people belong to prosperous families or do have prosperity

of their own.

This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years back and a

number of people have been making money out of this by creating fear

in people's mind.

As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe out such

myths rather than proliferating these.

Regards,

Prakash Kandpal

vedic astrology, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no such

thing like Kala-

> srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis it is

bound to have some good or bad effects.

> That is all about these yogas.

> Regards,

> G.K.GOEL

>

> Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

> Om gurave Namah!

> Dear gaurav jee,

> kindly can you share with us what research you did and how you

concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

>

> <gg_0202 wrote:

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Dear Anilji,

> There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a research

> on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> I hope this helps,

> Thanq,

> With Humbleness,

> Wish u all success,

>

> http://gauravastro.150m.com

> http://gauravg.askagent.com

> ------------Send messages to the group, not to me------------------

--

>

> vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan" <thuttu@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste all,

> >

> > I am very curious to Astrology.

> >

> > I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me that i

have

> > kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my family

> life

> > is a total collapse.

> >

> > I also like to know if there is any affect on my life since Mars

> is

> > coming closer to Earth this month.

> >

> > My Name is Anil

> > Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> > Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

> >

> > My wife's name is Ranjini

> > Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

> >

> > My Son't name: Pranav

> > Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not sure

> about

> > exact time)

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

> >

> > I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and if there

is

> > any chance of happiness.

> >

> > Thank you all

> >

>

> Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk

email the boot with the All-new Mail

>

August 12, 2006

Om Sri gurave Namah!

Dear P kumar jee,

Thanks for the info, and reasoning, but in a way does it mean that having Kal sarpa yoga is infact good for the native, because the comos might throw a challenge at the native at some point of his or her life so that the native uses his shear will power to overcome the challenge, and result is the names you counted.

To quote B.V.Raman, "astrology comprehends something higher, intuitive and subtle...It relies more upon the skill and intuitive capacities of the interpreter than upon complicated rules. It records the interactions of influences of all things, visible and invisible."

Is it possible to get the birth details of these great people, any website etc.so that we can understand it better, thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

"P.Kumar" <pkumar24 > wrote:

For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the book 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran astrologer Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers, presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in their charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply sound common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound common sense to following facts:

1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for almost 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during this period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable life ?

2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY (when one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer, say even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ? Remember, subtleties are most important in astrology.

Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar the Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and many -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious and prosperous life, at least much better than billions of unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa Yoga in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

P.Kumar

-

Suri allam

vedic astrology

Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha- Astroresearch no 5

Om gurave namah!

Dear kandpall jee,

I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or maladies and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga. how to prove that it is there or not.

I think some true data will do?

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal > wrote:

Dear All,

I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha etc.

mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have something

please do share.

In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga that

occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein Rahu-Ketu

are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga Devata is

prescribed with other methods etc.

As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with such yogas

where the people belong to prosperous families or do have prosperity

of their own.

This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years back and a

number of people have been making money out of this by creating fear

in people's mind.

As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe out such

myths rather than proliferating these.

Regards,

Prakash Kandpal

vedic astrology, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no such

thing like Kala-

> srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis it is

bound to have some good or bad effects.

> That is all about these yogas.

> Regards,

> G.K.GOEL

>

> Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

> Om gurave Namah!

> Dear gaurav jee,

> kindly can you share with us what research you did and how you

concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

>

> <gg_0202 wrote:

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Dear Anilji,

> There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a research

> on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> I hope this helps,

> Thanq,

> With Humbleness,

> Wish u all success,

>

> http://gauravastro.150m.com

> http://gauravg.askagent.com

> ------------Send messages to the group, not to me------------------

--

>

> vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan" <thuttu@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste all,

> >

> > I am very curious to Astrology.

> >

> > I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me that i

have

> > kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my family

> life

> > is a total collapse.

> >

> > I also like to know if there is any affect on my life since Mars

> is

> > coming closer to Earth this month.

> >

> > My Name is Anil

> > Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> > Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

> >

> > My wife's name is Ranjini

> > Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

> >

> > My Son't name: Pranav

> > Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not sure

> about

> > exact time)

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

> >

> > I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and if there

is

> > any chance of happiness.

> >

> > Thank you all

> >

>

> Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk

email the boot with the All-new Mail

>

August 12, 2006

Read the book by Shri K.N.Rao referred by me.

P.Kumar

-

Suri allam

vedic astrology

Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:28 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha- Astroresearch no 5

Om Sri gurave Namah!

Dear P kumar jee,

Thanks for the info, and reasoning, but in a way does it mean that having Kal sarpa yoga is infact good for the native, because the comos might throw a challenge at the native at some point of his or her life so that the native uses his shear will power to overcome the challenge, and result is the names you counted.

To quote B.V.Raman, "astrology comprehends something higher, intuitive and subtle...It relies more upon the skill and intuitive capacities of the interpreter than upon complicated rules. It records the interactions of influences of all things, visible and invisible."

Is it possible to get the birth details of these great people, any website etc.so that we can understand it better, thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

"P.Kumar" <pkumar24 > wrote:

For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the book 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran astrologer Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers, presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in their charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply sound common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound common sense to following facts:

1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for almost 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during this period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable life ?

2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY (when one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer, say even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ? Remember, subtleties are most important in astrology.

Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar the Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and many -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious and prosperous life, at least much better than billions of unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa Yoga in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

P.Kumar

-

Suri allam

vedic astrology

Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha- Astroresearch no 5

Om gurave namah!

Dear kandpall jee,

I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or maladies and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga. how to prove that it is there or not.

I think some true data will do?

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal > wrote:

Dear All,

I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha etc.

mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have something

please do share.

In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga that

occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein Rahu-Ketu

are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga Devata is

prescribed with other methods etc.

As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with such yogas

where the people belong to prosperous families or do have prosperity

of their own.

This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years back and a

number of people have been making money out of this by creating fear

in people's mind.

As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe out such

myths rather than proliferating these.

Regards,

Prakash Kandpal

vedic astrology, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no such

thing like Kala-

> srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis it is

bound to have some good or bad effects.

> That is all about these yogas.

> Regards,

> G.K.GOEL

>

> Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

> Om gurave Namah!

> Dear gaurav jee,

> kindly can you share with us what research you did and how you

concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

>

> <gg_0202 wrote:

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Dear Anilji,

> There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a research

> on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> I hope this helps,

> Thanq,

> With Humbleness,

> Wish u all success,

>

> http://gauravastro.150m.com

> http://gauravg.askagent.com

> ------------Send messages to the group, not to me------------------

--

>

> vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan" <thuttu@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste all,

> >

> > I am very curious to Astrology.

> >

> > I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me that i

have

> > kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my family

> life

> > is a total collapse.

> >

> > I also like to know if there is any affect on my life since Mars

> is

> > coming closer to Earth this month.

> >

> > My Name is Anil

> > Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> > Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

> >

> > My wife's name is Ranjini

> > Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

> >

> > My Son't name: Pranav

> > Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not sure

> about

> > exact time)

> > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

> >

> > I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and if there

is

> > any chance of happiness.

> >

> > Thank you all

> >

>

> Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk

email the boot with the All-new Mail

>

August 14, 2006

See that I have written about full / partial KSY as people are using it too. Read the book referred to or ask the proponents of so called KSY to predict before hand. Then, think judiciously, how a yoga that stays there for about 14 -15 days (100% as per your definition) be of any significance. Combine it with the fact that no classical reference is found for the so called KSY.

P.Kumar

-

Krishnamurthy Seetharama

vedic astrology

Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:28 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha- Astroresearch no 5

Dear Kumarji,

With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not find

a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

- Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

- Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

- Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

- Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

- Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

- Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

- Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala Amrita

Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as planets

are between Ketu and Rahu.

I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant (even

in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data before

accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or anything

proposed by anyone.

Regards,

Krishna

--- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 > wrote:

> For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the book

> 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran astrologer

> Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

> presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in their

> charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply sound

> common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound common

> sense to following facts:

>

> 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for almost

> 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

> axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during this

> period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

> life ?

> 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY (when

> one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

> responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer, say

> even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ? Remember,

> subtleties are most important in astrology.

>

> Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

> Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar the

> Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and many

> -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious and

> prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

> unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa Yoga

> in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

>

> P.Kumar

>

> -

> Suri allam

> vedic astrology

> Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> Astroresearch no 5

>

> Om gurave namah!

> Dear kandpall jee,

> I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or maladies

> and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga. how

> to prove that it is there or not.

> I think some true data will do?

> Thanks!

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

> Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal > wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

> etc.

> mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

> something

> please do share.

>

> In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

> that

> occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

> Rahu-Ketu

> are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

> Devata is

> prescribed with other methods etc.

>

> As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

> such yogas

> where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

> prosperity

> of their own.

>

> This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years back

> and a

> number of people have been making money out of this by

> creating fear

> in people's mind.

>

> As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe out

> such

> myths rather than proliferating these.

>

> Regards,

> Prakash Kandpal

>

> vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

> such

> thing like Kala-

> > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

> it is

> bound to have some good or bad effects.

> > That is all about these yogas.

> > Regards,

> > G.K.GOEL

> >

> > Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

> > Om gurave Namah!

> > Dear gaurav jee,

> > kindly can you share with us what research you did and how

> you

> concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> > I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

> > Om Namah Shivai!

> > SPI

> >

> > <gg_0202 wrote:

> > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > Dear Anilji,

> > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a

> research

> > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> > I hope this helps,

> > Thanq,

> > With Humbleness,

> > Wish u all success,

> >

> > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> > http://gauravg.askagent.com

> > ------------Send messages to the group, not to

> me------------------

> --

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan"

> <thuttu@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste all,

> > >

> > > I am very curious to Astrology.

> > >

> > > I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me

> that i

> have

> > > kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my

> family

> > life

> > > is a total collapse.

> > >

> > > I also like to know if there is any affect on my life

> since Mars

> > is

> > > coming closer to Earth this month.

> > >

> > > My Name is Anil

> > > Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> > > Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

> > >

> > > My wife's name is Ranjini

> > > Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> > > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

> > >

> > > My Son't name: Pranav

> > > Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not

> sure

> > about

> > > exact time)

> > > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

> > >

> > > I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and

> if there

> is

> > > any chance of happiness.

> > >

> > > Thank you all

> > >

> >

> > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving

> junk

> email the boot with the All-new Mail

> >

August 15, 2006

Om Sri gurave namah!

Dear Members,

I was learning astrology from a vedic bramhin, who had studied in gurukulam ( from 8 years of age) all his life in andhra pradesh, I do not say that he is a very genuine and truthful person to start with, he is very money minded and wants to become a billionaire overnight, but even he explained to me in detail about this yoga, but then I believed everthing he taught, just for the sake of learning, but my experience with what ever charts I have seen, lot of rules do not apply or surprisingly are totally contradicting,is it because of improper translations, or someones mean purpose.

I think there are lots of learned and professional people who do not believe in this yoga, and there are definetly many more who believe in this yoga, but I am not getting any data for proper conclusion, I can not summarize based on just opinion.

Please read this article in this website,

http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm#kalasarpadosha

well this again is an opinion from a learned astrologer, and we are not challenging anyones opinion because we do not have anything concrete, infact we respect your opinion, but mere referring to books, articles and big articles with out any proper data, will be just beating the bush. as a person I would not like to believe in this yoga, which in a way nullifies the existence of the native and horoscope.

What ever literature ( not scriptures) is available forces me to believe it could be work of a very intelligent professional astrologer.

But still I am on the wall, both sides look reasonable. which can only be proved or disapproved by presenting real data.

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote:

Dear Kumarji,

With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not find

a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

- Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

- Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

- Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

- Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

- Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

- Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

- Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala Amrita

Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as planets

are between Ketu and Rahu.

I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant (even

in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data before

accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or anything

proposed by anyone.

Regards,

Krishna

--- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 > wrote:

> For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the book

> 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran astrologer

> Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

> presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in their

> charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply sound

> common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound common

> sense to following facts:

>

> 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for almost

> 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

> axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during this

> period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

> life ?

> 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY (when

> one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

> responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer, say

> even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ? Remember,

> subtleties are most important in astrology.

>

> Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

> Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar the

> Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and many

> -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious and

> prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

> unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa Yoga

> in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

>

> P.Kumar

>

> -

> Suri allam

> vedic astrology

> Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> Astroresearch no 5

>

> Om gurave namah!

> Dear kandpall jee,

> I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or maladies

> and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga. how

> to prove that it is there or not.

> I think some true data will do?

> Thanks!

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

> Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal > wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

> etc.

> mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

> something

> please do share.

>

> In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

> that

> occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

> Rahu-Ketu

> are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

> Devata is

> prescribed with other methods etc.

>

> As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

> such yogas

> where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

> prosperity

> of their own.

>

> This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years back

> and a

> number of people have been making money out of this by

> creating fear

> in people's mind.

>

> As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe out

> such

> myths rather than proliferating these.

>

> Regards,

> Prakash Kandpal

>

> vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

> such

> thing like Kala-

> > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

> it is

> bound to have some good or bad effects.

> > That is all about these yogas.

> > Regards,

> > G.K.GOEL

> >

> > Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

> > Om gurave Namah!

> > Dear gaurav jee,

> > kindly can you share with us what research you did and how

> you

> concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> > I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

> > Om Namah Shivai!

> > SPI

> >

> > <gg_0202 wrote:

> > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > Dear Anilji,

> > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a

> research

> > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> > I hope this helps,

> > Thanq,

> > With Humbleness,

> > Wish u all success,

> >

> > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> > http://gauravg.askagent.com

> > ------------Send messages to the group, not to

> me------------------

> --

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan"

> <thuttu@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste all,

> > >

> > > I am very curious to Astrology.

> > >

> > > I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me

> that i

> have

> > > kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my

> family

> > life

> > > is a total collapse.

> > >

> > > I also like to know if there is any affect on my life

> since Mars

> > is

> > > coming closer to Earth this month.

> > >

> > > My Name is Anil

> > > Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> > > Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

> > >

> > > My wife's name is Ranjini

> > > Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> > > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

> > >

> > > My Son't name: Pranav

> > > Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not

> sure

> > about

> > > exact time)

> > > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

> > >

> > > I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and

> if there

> is

> > > any chance of happiness.

> > >

> > > Thank you all

> > >

> >

> > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving

> junk

> email the boot with the All-new Mail

> >

August 15, 2006

Om Sri Gurave Namah!

Dear Krishna jee,

Will it be possible for you to share the birth details of these individuals.

Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

Om Sri gurave namah!

Dear Members,

I was learning astrology from a vedic bramhin, who had studied in gurukulam ( from 8 years of age) all his life in andhra pradesh, I do not say that he is a very genuine and truthful person to start with, he is very money minded and wants to become a billionaire overnight, but even he explained to me in detail about this yoga, but then I believed everthing he taught, just for the sake of learning, but my experience with what ever charts I have seen, lot of rules do not apply or surprisingly are totally contradicting,is it because of improper translations, or someones mean purpose.

I think there are lots of learned and professional people who do not believe in this yoga, and there are definetly many more who believe in this yoga, but I am not getting any data for proper conclusion, I can not summarize based on just opinion.

Please read this article in this website,

http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm#kalasarpadosha

well this again is an opinion from a learned astrologer, and we are not challenging anyones opinion because we do not have anything concrete, infact we respect your opinion, but mere referring to books, articles and big articles with out any proper data, will be just beating the bush. as a person I would not like to believe in this yoga, which in a way nullifies the existence of the native and horoscope.

What ever literature ( not scriptures) is available forces me to believe it could be work of a very intelligent professional astrologer.

But still I am on the wall, both sides look reasonable. which can only be proved or disapproved by presenting real data.

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote:

Dear Kumarji,

With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not find

a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

- Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

- Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

- Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

- Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

- Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

- Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

- Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala Amrita

Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as planets

are between Ketu and Rahu.

I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant (even

in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data before

accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or anything

proposed by anyone.

Regards,

Krishna

--- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 > wrote:

> For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the book

> 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran astrologer

> Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

> presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in their

> charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply sound

> common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound common

> sense to following facts:

>

> 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for almost

> 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

> axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during this

> period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

> life ?

> 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY (when

> one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

> responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer, say

> even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ? Remember,

> subtleties are most important in astrology.

>

> Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

> Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar the

> Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and many

> -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious and

> prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

> unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa Yoga

> in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

>

> P.Kumar

>

> -

> Suri allam

> vedic astrology

> Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> Astroresearch no 5

>

> Om gurave namah!

> Dear kandpall jee,

> I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or maladies

> and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga. how

> to prove that it is there or not.

> I think some true data will do?

> Thanks!

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

> Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal > wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

> etc.

> mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

> something

> please do share.

>

> In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

> that

> occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

> Rahu-Ketu

> are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

> Devata is

> prescribed with other methods etc.

>

> As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

> such yogas

> where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

> prosperity

> of their own.

>

> This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years back

> and a

> number of people have been making money out of this by

> creating fear

> in people's mind.

>

> As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe out

> such

> myths rather than proliferating these.

>

> Regards,

> Prakash Kandpal

>

> vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

> such

> thing like Kala-

> > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

> it is

> bound to have some good or bad effects.

> > That is all about these yogas.

> > Regards,

> > G.K.GOEL

> >

> > Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

> > Om gurave Namah!

> > Dear gaurav jee,

> > kindly can you share with us what research you did and how

> you

> concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> > I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

> > Om Namah Shivai!

> > SPI

> >

> > <gg_0202 wrote:

> > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > Dear Anilji,

> > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a

> research

> > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> > I hope this helps,

> > Thanq,

> > With Humbleness,

> > Wish u all success,

> >

> > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> > http://gauravg.askagent.com

> > ------------Send messages to the group, not to

> me------------------

> --

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan"

> <thuttu@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste all,

> > >

> > > I am very curious to Astrology.

> > >

> > > I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me

> that i

> have

> > > kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my

> family

> > life

> > > is a total collapse.

> > >

> > > I also like to know if there is any affect on my life

> since Mars

> > is

> > > coming closer to Earth this month.

> > >

> > > My Name is Anil

> > > Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> > > Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

> > >

> > > My wife's name is Ranjini

> > > Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> > > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

> > >

> > > My Son't name: Pranav

> > > Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not

> sure

> > about

> > > exact time)

> > > Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

> > >

> > > I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and

> if there

> is

> > > any chance of happiness.

> > >

> > > Thank you all

> > >

> >

> > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving

> junk

> email the boot with the All-new Mail

> >

August 15, 2006

Dear Suri Allamji,

All these birth details are available in the files section of

this forum.

Regards,

Krishna

--- Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

> Om Sri Gurave Namah!

> Dear Krishna jee,

> Will it be possible for you to share the birth details of

> these individuals.

>

> Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

> Om Sri gurave namah!

> Dear Members,

> I was learning astrology from a vedic bramhin, who had studied

> in gurukulam ( from 8 years of age) all his life in andhra

> pradesh, I do not say that he is a very genuine and truthful

> person to start with, he is very money minded and wants to

> become a billionaire overnight, but even he explained to me in

> detail about this yoga, but then I believed everthing he

> taught, just for the sake of learning, but my experience with

> what ever charts I have seen, lot of rules do not apply or

> surprisingly are totally contradicting,is it because of

> improper translations, or someones mean purpose.

> I think there are lots of learned and professional people who

> do not believe in this yoga, and there are definetly many more

> who believe in this yoga, but I am not getting any data for

> proper conclusion, I can not summarize based on just opinion.

> Please read this article in this website,

> http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm#kalasarpadosha

> well this again is an opinion from a learned astrologer, and

> we are not challenging anyones opinion because we do not have

> anything concrete, infact we respect your opinion, but mere

> referring to books, articles and big articles with out any

> proper data, will be just beating the bush. as a person I

> would not like to believe in this yoga, which in a way

> nullifies the existence of the native and horoscope.

> What ever literature ( not scriptures) is available forces me

> to believe it could be work of a very intelligent professional

> astrologer.

> But still I am on the wall, both sides look reasonable. which

> can only be proved or disapproved by presenting real data.

> Thanks!

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

>

> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote:

> Dear Kumarji,

>

> With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

> horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not

> find

> a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

>

> - Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

> - Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

> - Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

> - Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

> - Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

> - Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

> - Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

> Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala Amrita

> Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as

> planets

> are between Ketu and Rahu.

>

> I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant (even

> in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

>

> Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

> conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data before

> accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or anything

> proposed by anyone.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 > wrote:

>

> > For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the book

> > 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran astrologer

> > Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

> > presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in

> their

> > charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply sound

> > common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound

> common

> > sense to following facts:

> >

> > 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for almost

> > 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

> > axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during this

> > period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

> > life ?

> > 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY

> (when

> > one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

> > responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer, say

> > even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ? Remember,

> > subtleties are most important in astrology.

> >

> > Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

> > Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar

> the

> > Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and many

> > -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious and

> > prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

> > unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa Yoga

> > in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

> >

> > P.Kumar

> >

> > -

> > Suri allam

> > vedic astrology

> > Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > Astroresearch no 5

> >

> > Om gurave namah!

> > Dear kandpall jee,

> > I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or maladies

> > and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga. how

> > to prove that it is there or not.

> > I think some true data will do?

> > Thanks!

> > Om Namah Shivai!

> > SPI

> > Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal > wrote:

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

> > etc.

> > mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

> > something

> > please do share.

> >

> > In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

> > that

> > occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

> > Rahu-Ketu

> > are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

> > Devata is

> > prescribed with other methods etc.

> >

> > As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

> > such yogas

> > where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

> > prosperity

> > of their own.

> >

> > This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years back

> > and a

> > number of people have been making money out of this by

> > creating fear

> > in people's mind.

> >

> > As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe out

> > such

> > myths rather than proliferating these.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Prakash Kandpal

> >

> > vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

> > <gkgoel1937

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

> > such

> > thing like Kala-

> > > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> > > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

> > it is

> > bound to have some good or bad effects.

> > > That is all about these yogas.

> > > Regards,

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > >

> > > Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

> > > Om gurave Namah!

> > > Dear gaurav jee,

> > > kindly can you share with us what research you did and how

> > you

> > concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> > > I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

> > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > SPI

> > >

> > > <gg_0202 wrote:

> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > Dear Anilji,

> > > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a

> > research

> > > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> > > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> > > I hope this helps,

> > > Thanq,

> > > With Humbleness,

> > > Wish u all success,

> > >

> > > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> > > http://gauravg.askagent.com

> > > ------------Send messages to the group, not to

> > me------------------

>

=== message truncated ===

August 15, 2006

You could be right. My point is that it remains a hypothesis

(like those who claim KSY is bad) until it is proven

conclusively with proper data points.

Regards,

Krishna

--- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 > wrote:

> See that I have written about full / partial KSY as people are

> using it too. Read the book referred to or ask the proponents

> of so called KSY to predict before hand. Then, think

> judiciously, how a yoga that stays there for about 14 -15 days

> (100% as per your definition) be of any significance. Combine

> it with the fact that no classical reference is found for the

> so called KSY.

>

> P.Kumar

>

> -

> Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:28 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> Astroresearch no 5

>

> Dear Kumarji,

>

> With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

> horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not

> find

> a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

>

> - Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

> - Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

> - Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

> - Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

> - Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

> - Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

> - Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

> Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala

> Amrita

> Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as

> planets

> are between Ketu and Rahu.

>

> I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant

> (even

> in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

>

> Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

> conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data

> before

> accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or

> anything

> proposed by anyone.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 > wrote:

>

> > For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the

> book

> > 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran

> astrologer

> > Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

> > presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in

> their

> > charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply

> sound

> > common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound

> common

> > sense to following facts:

> >

> > 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for

> almost

> > 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

> > axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during

> this

> > period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

> > life ?

> > 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY

> (when

> > one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

> > responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer,

> say

> > even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ?

> Remember,

> > subtleties are most important in astrology.

> >

> > Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

> > Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar

> the

> > Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and

> many

> > -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious

> and

> > prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

> > unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa

> Yoga

> > in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

> >

> > P.Kumar

> >

> > -

> > Suri allam

> > vedic astrology

> > Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > Astroresearch no 5

> >

> > Om gurave namah!

> > Dear kandpall jee,

> > I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or

> maladies

> > and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga.

> how

> > to prove that it is there or not.

> > I think some true data will do?

> > Thanks!

> > Om Namah Shivai!

> > SPI

> > Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal > wrote:

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

> > etc.

> > mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

> > something

> > please do share.

> >

> > In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

> > that

> > occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

> > Rahu-Ketu

> > are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

> > Devata is

> > prescribed with other methods etc.

> >

> > As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

> > such yogas

> > where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

> > prosperity

> > of their own.

> >

> > This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years

> back

> > and a

> > number of people have been making money out of this by

> > creating fear

> > in people's mind.

> >

> > As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe

> out

> > such

> > myths rather than proliferating these.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Prakash Kandpal

> >

> > vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

> > <gkgoel1937

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

> > such

> > thing like Kala-

> > > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> > > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

> > it is

> > bound to have some good or bad effects.

> > > That is all about these yogas.

> > > Regards,

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > >

> > > Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

> > > Om gurave Namah!

> > > Dear gaurav jee,

> > > kindly can you share with us what research you did and

> how

> > you

> > concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> > > I am interested in your research approach and

> conclusion.

> > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > SPI

> > >

> > > <gg_0202 wrote:

> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > Dear Anilji,

> > > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done

> a

> > research

> > > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> > > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> > > I hope this helps,

> > > Thanq,

> > > With Humbleness,

> > > Wish u all success,

> > >

> > > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> > > http://gauravg.askagent.com

> > > ------------Send messages to the group, not to

> > me------------------

> > --

> > >

>

=== message truncated ===

August 15, 2006

Many scholars including MC Jain and Bipin Bihari etc, have indicated KSY to be giving extreme events - success / failures (with pretty large data in their books). Specially on rahu / ketu, MC jain's findings are quite creditable, comparable to any other astrologer.

regards / Prafulla Gang

Witch, n. (1) An ugly and repulsive old woman, in a wicked league with the devil. (2) A beautiful and attractive young woman, in wickedness a league beyond the devil.

>

> krishna_1998

> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:52:34 -0700 (PDT)

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha- Astroresearch no 5

>

> You could be right. My point is that it remains a hypothesis

> (like those who claim KSY is bad) until it is proven

> conclusively with proper data points.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 > wrote:

>

>> See that I have written about full / partial KSY as people are

>> using it too. Read the book referred to or ask the proponents

>> of so called KSY to predict before hand. Then, think

>> judiciously, how a yoga that stays there for about 14 -15 days

>> (100% as per your definition) be of any significance. Combine

>> it with the fact that no classical reference is found for the

>> so called KSY.

>>

>> P.Kumar

>>

>> -

>> Krishnamurthy Seetharama

>> vedic astrology

>> Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:28 PM

>> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

>> Astroresearch no 5

>>

>> Dear Kumarji,

>>

>> With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

>> horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not

>> find

>> a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

>>

>> - Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

>> - Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

>> - Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

>> - Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

>> - Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

>> - Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

>> - Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

>> Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala

>> Amrita

>> Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as

>> planets

>> are between Ketu and Rahu.

>>

>> I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant

>> (even

>> in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

>>

>> Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

>> conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data

>> before

>> accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or

>> anything

>> proposed by anyone.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Krishna

>>

>> --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 > wrote:

>>

>> > For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the

>> book

>> > 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran

>> astrologer

>> > Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

>> > presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in

>> their

>> > charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply

>> sound

>> > common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound

>> common

>> > sense to following facts:

>> >

>> > 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for

>> almost

>> > 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

>> > axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during

>> this

>> > period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

>> > life ?

>> > 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY

>> (when

>> > one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

>> > responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer,

>> say

>> > even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ?

>> Remember,

>> > subtleties are most important in astrology.

>> >

>> > Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

>> > Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar

>> the

>> > Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and

>> many

>> > -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious

>> and

>> > prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

>> > unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa

>> Yoga

>> > in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

>> >

>> > P.Kumar

>> >

>> > -

>> > Suri allam

>> > vedic astrology

>> > Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

>> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

>> > Astroresearch no 5

>> >

>> > Om gurave namah!

>> > Dear kandpall jee,

>> > I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or

>> maladies

>> > and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga.

>> how

>> > to prove that it is there or not.

>> > I think some true data will do?

>> > Thanks!

>> > Om Namah Shivai!

>> > SPI

>> > Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal > wrote:

>> > Dear All,

>> >

>> > I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

>> > etc.

>> > mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

>> > something

>> > please do share.

>> >

>> > In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

>> > that

>> > occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

>> > Rahu-Ketu

>> > are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

>> > Devata is

>> > prescribed with other methods etc.

>> >

>> > As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

>> > such yogas

>> > where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

>> > prosperity

>> > of their own.

>> >

>> > This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years

>> back

>> > and a

>> > number of people have been making money out of this by

>> > creating fear

>> > in people's mind.

>> >

>> > As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe

>> out

>> > such

>> > myths rather than proliferating these.

>> >

>> > Regards,

>> > Prakash Kandpal

>> >

>> > vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

>> > <gkgoel1937

>> > wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Dear Friends,

>> > > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

>> > such

>> > thing like Kala-

>> > > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

>> > > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

>> > it is

>> > bound to have some good or bad effects.

>> > > That is all about these yogas.

>> > > Regards,

>> > > G.K.GOEL

>> > >

>> > > Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

>> > > Om gurave Namah!

>> > > Dear gaurav jee,

>> > > kindly can you share with us what research you did and

>> how

>> > you

>> > concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

>> > > I am interested in your research approach and

>> conclusion.

>> > > Om Namah Shivai!

>> > > SPI

>> > >

>> > > <gg_0202 wrote:

>> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

>> > > Dear Anilji,

>> > > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done

>> a

>> > research

>> > > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

>> > > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

>> > > I hope this helps,

>> > > Thanq,

>> > > With Humbleness,

>> > > Wish u all success,

>> > >

>> > > http://gauravastro.150m.com

>> > > http://gauravg.askagent.com

>> > > ------------Send messages to the group, not to

>> > me------------------

>> > --

>> > >

>>

> === message truncated ===

>

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Dear Mr. Suri Allam and Mr. ,

If I presume that you could not find any reference in classical literature , that

is why you feel there is no such yoga named as Kala-sarpa or Kala-mirta

yoga.

In this regard I may like to mention :

1. Parampara helps us to avoid pit falls.

2.Similarly Dicta given by Rishi's show us the way and give us guidance.

But these should not block our free thinking.

In last 10 thousands of years Astronomy and Astro- sciences had made tremendous and continuous progress and the same is still continuing with help of modern gadgets.

As regards the yogas in question I may mention the following:

1. Dr. Raman had dealt this yoga in Astrological magazine in detail.

2. In this magazine ,other authors had discussed this yoga in detail SEVERAL TIMES with examples.

3.Pt. Sanjay Rath had also written an article on this yoga

4. Several books are available on this subject in the market

5. Rishi's dicta do show us the way , but it is not be the end in itself.

I personally experienced these yogas create lot of hindrances and bring down -fall because of over indulgence or deceit(Rahu) or silly mistakes(Ketu).Generally effects of these yogas are prominently felt upto the age of 45 years.

G.k.goel

Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

Om gurave namah!

Dear goel jee,

Why not share with us the origin of this yoga, its bad or good effects, and also remedies if any

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Friends,

We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no such thing like Kala-

srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis it is bound to have some good or bad effects.

That is all about these yogas.

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

Om gurave Namah!

Dear gaurav jee,

kindly can you share with us what research you did and how you concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

wrote:

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Anilji,

There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a research

on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

I hope this helps,

Thanq,

With Humbleness,

Wish u all success,

http://gauravastro.150m.com

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vedic astrology, "Anil Krishnan" <thuttu

wrote:

>

> Namaste all,

>

> I am very curious to Astrology.

>

> I like to know about Kala Sarpa Dosha. Someone told me that i have

> kala sarpa dosha. I like to know if it is the reason my family

life

> is a total collapse.

>

> I also like to know if there is any affect on my life since Mars

is

> coming closer to Earth this month.

>

> My Name is Anil

> Birthtime: 1-11-1972 4:55 AM

> Birth Place: Quilon, Kerala

>

> My wife's name is Ranjini

> Birthtime: 20-9-1980 10:24AM

> Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala

>

> My Son't name: Pranav

> Birthtime: 14-9-2003 11:30 PM (Or closer to 12, i am not sure

about

> exact time)

> Birthplace: Mavelikkara, Alleppey, Kerala.

>

> I appreciate any explanation of my family problems and if there is

> any chance of happiness.

>

> Thank you all

>

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August 15, 2006

Hello friends,

This seems like a very intersting/controversial discussion, and very

informative too. Out of the horoscopes that have been listed below:

1) some have KSY and others have KAY.

2) There is a dictum - that KSY/KAY is broken by planets in Lagna or

conjoining Rahu or Ketu. If it happens it results in a Maha Yoga

which can take the native to unbelievable heights.

Keeping this in mind, now look at all the horoscopes listed again.

e.g.- Nehru, has Jupiter and Moon breaking the KAY. Once that

happened he reached great heights! similarly apply the dictum to

other horoscopes.

Instead of debating Lets take a constructive approach -

1) list the negatives of the KSY/KAY yoga

2) look at the horoscopes of natives with KSY/KAY and analyze and

contrast both (1) with (2)

Let me know if that sounds good to members of the forum?

Warm regards,

Pranav

vedic astrology, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> You could be right. My point is that it remains a hypothesis

> (like those who claim KSY is bad) until it is proven

> conclusively with proper data points.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 wrote:

>

> > See that I have written about full / partial KSY as people are

> > using it too. Read the book referred to or ask the proponents

> > of so called KSY to predict before hand. Then, think

> > judiciously, how a yoga that stays there for about 14 -15 days

> > (100% as per your definition) be of any significance. Combine

> > it with the fact that no classical reference is found for the

> > so called KSY.

> >

> > P.Kumar

> >

> > -

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > vedic astrology

> > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:28 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > Astroresearch no 5

> >

> > Dear Kumarji,

> >

> > With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

> > horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not

> > find

> > a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

> >

> > - Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

> > - Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

> > - Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

> > - Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

> > - Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

> > - Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

> > - Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

> > Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala

> > Amrita

> > Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as

> > planets

> > are between Ketu and Rahu.

> >

> > I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant

> > (even

> > in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

> >

> > Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

> > conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data

> > before

> > accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or

> > anything

> > proposed by anyone.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 wrote:

> >

> > > For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the

> > book

> > > 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran

> > astrologer

> > > Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

> > > presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in

> > their

> > > charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply

> > sound

> > > common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound

> > common

> > > sense to following facts:

> > >

> > > 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for

> > almost

> > > 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

> > > axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during

> > this

> > > period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

> > > life ?

> > > 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY

> > (when

> > > one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

> > > responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer,

> > say

> > > even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ?

> > Remember,

> > > subtleties are most important in astrology.

> > >

> > > Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

> > > Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar

> > the

> > > Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and

> > many

> > > -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious

> > and

> > > prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

> > > unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa

> > Yoga

> > > in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

> > >

> > > P.Kumar

> > >

> > > -

> > > Suri allam

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > > Astroresearch no 5

> > >

> > > Om gurave namah!

> > > Dear kandpall jee,

> > > I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or

> > maladies

> > > and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga.

> > how

> > > to prove that it is there or not.

> > > I think some true data will do?

> > > Thanks!

> > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > SPI

> > > Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

> > > etc.

> > > mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

> > > something

> > > please do share.

> > >

> > > In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

> > > that

> > > occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

> > > Rahu-Ketu

> > > are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

> > > Devata is

> > > prescribed with other methods etc.

> > >

> > > As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

> > > such yogas

> > > where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

> > > prosperity

> > > of their own.

> > >

> > > This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years

> > back

> > > and a

> > > number of people have been making money out of this by

> > > creating fear

> > > in people's mind.

> > >

> > > As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe

> > out

> > > such

> > > myths rather than proliferating these.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Prakash Kandpal

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

> > > <gkgoel1937@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

> > > such

> > > thing like Kala-

> > > > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> > > > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

> > > it is

> > > bound to have some good or bad effects.

> > > > That is all about these yogas.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > >

> > > > Suri allam <ianianala@> wrote:

> > > > Om gurave Namah!

> > > > Dear gaurav jee,

> > > > kindly can you share with us what research you did and

> > how

> > > you

> > > concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> > > > I am interested in your research approach and

> > conclusion.

> > > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > > SPI

> > > >

> > > > <gg_0202@> wrote:

> > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > Dear Anilji,

> > > > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done

> > a

> > > research

> > > > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> > > > I hope this helps,

> > > > Thanq,

> > > > With Humbleness,

> > > > Wish u all success,

> > > >

> > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com

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August 16, 2006

Om Sri gurave namah!

Dear Members,

One source of this yoga is a book :

Jyotish Yog Ratnakar by Pandit Rajashekar, Chaukhamba publications

and it is in hindi.

In brief, KSY, 12 types, named after 12 snakes, i.e. Rahu in Asc and Ketu in 7th house is supposed to be the deadliest of all.

If one planet is out of Rahu - Ketu axis on the other side, in terms of movement, approaches Ketu instead of rahu, that particular planet is deemed as saving planet of the native from this yoga.

Ill effect: In spite of possession of all the worldly commodities or luxuries, the native is not happy due to some reason or other, his mind does not bloom in spite of the fact that he is surrounded with luxuries.

To read Sri BV Raman's comments please go to following site and scroll down to the end of the page.

http://www.bena.com/sherpa1/bpa/Yogas/b_yoga.htm

One chart is available with me. This person is doing OK, but suffers from fear of early death.( I have to take permission before I share this chart with you).

Bhujang or Sarpa Yoga ( BPHS- Nabhash yogas), i.e. all Malefics in 3 kendras- ill effect Native will talk too much, will leave his paternal place, will be a source of trouble to others, short lived, etc.

SARPA YOGA( Kalyana verma-saravali). The native born under this Yoga will be crooked in disposition, pitiless, always be a subject of grief, poor and will live in other's House and eat their food.

The Sarpa yoga generates extreme passion and greed. others are sarpaghanda and sarpasapa yoga, so why not Kal Sarpa Yoga.

I have a feeling that this yoga is further elaborated or twisted to Kal Sarpa Yoga, a possibility! at the same time another possibility, Like Sri B V Raman commented,

"The common fear that if Kalasarpa Yoga is fully present the effects of other good planetary combinations get nullified is not without justification. There are horoscopes with excellent yogas showing great advancement and prosperity but the natives continue to be mediocres. A brilliant career may suddenly end. Such cases may have KSY but it may not be the main cause for making one what he is. It may be one of the causes"

Still digging!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote:

Dear Suri Allamji,

All these birth details are available in the files section of

this forum.

Regards,

Krishna

--- Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

> Om Sri Gurave Namah!

> Dear Krishna jee,

> Will it be possible for you to share the birth details of

> these individuals.

>

> Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

> Om Sri gurave namah!

> Dear Members,

> I was learning astrology from a vedic bramhin, who had studied

> in gurukulam ( from 8 years of age) all his life in andhra

> pradesh, I do not say that he is a very genuine and truthful

> person to start with, he is very money minded and wants to

> become a billionaire overnight, but even he explained to me in

> detail about this yoga, but then I believed everthing he

> taught, just for the sake of learning, but my experience with

> what ever charts I have seen, lot of rules do not apply or

> surprisingly are totally contradicting,is it because of

> improper translations, or someones mean purpose.

> I think there are lots of learned and professional people who

> do not believe in this yoga, and there are definetly many more

> who believe in this yoga, but I am not getting any data for

> proper conclusion, I can not summarize based on just opinion.

> Please read this article in this website,

> http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm#kalasarpadosha

> well this again is an opinion from a learned astrologer, and

> we are not challenging anyones opinion because we do not have

> anything concrete, infact we respect your opinion, but mere

> referring to books, articles and big articles with out any

> proper data, will be just beating the bush. as a person I

> would not like to believe in this yoga, which in a way

> nullifies the existence of the native and horoscope.

> What ever literature ( not scriptures) is available forces me

> to believe it could be work of a very intelligent professional

> astrologer.

> But still I am on the wall, both sides look reasonable. which

> can only be proved or disapproved by presenting real data.

> Thanks!

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

>

> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote:

> Dear Kumarji,

>

> With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

> horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not

> find

> a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

>

> - Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

> - Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

> - Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

> - Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

> - Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

> - Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

> - Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

> Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala Amrita

> Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as

> planets

> are between Ketu and Rahu.

>

> I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant (even

> in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

>

> Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

> conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data before

> accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or anything

> proposed by anyone.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 > wrote:

>

> > For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the book

> > 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran astrologer

> > Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

> > presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in

> their

> > charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply sound

> > common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound

> common

> > sense to following facts:

> >

> > 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for almost

> > 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

> > axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during this

> > period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

> > life ?

> > 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY

> (when

> > one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

> > responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer, say

> > even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ? Remember,

> > subtleties are most important in astrology.

> >

> > Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

> > Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar

> the

> > Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and many

> > -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious and

> > prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

> > unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa Yoga

> > in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

> >

> > P.Kumar

> >

> > -

> > Suri allam

> > vedic astrology

> > Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > Astroresearch no 5

> >

> > Om gurave namah!

> > Dear kandpall jee,

> > I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or maladies

> > and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga. how

> > to prove that it is there or not.

> > I think some true data will do?

> > Thanks!

> > Om Namah Shivai!

> > SPI

> > Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal > wrote:

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

> > etc.

> > mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

> > something

> > please do share.

> >

> > In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

> > that

> > occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

> > Rahu-Ketu

> > are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

> > Devata is

> > prescribed with other methods etc.

> >

> > As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

> > such yogas

> > where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

> > prosperity

> > of their own.

> >

> > This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years back

> > and a

> > number of people have been making money out of this by

> > creating fear

> > in people's mind.

> >

> > As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe out

> > such

> > myths rather than proliferating these.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Prakash Kandpal

> >

> > vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

> > <gkgoel1937

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

> > such

> > thing like Kala-

> > > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> > > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

> > it is

> > bound to have some good or bad effects.

> > > That is all about these yogas.

> > > Regards,

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > >

> > > Suri allam <ianianala wrote:

> > > Om gurave Namah!

> > > Dear gaurav jee,

> > > kindly can you share with us what research you did and how

> > you

> > concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> > > I am interested in your research approach and conclusion.

> > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > SPI

> > >

> > > <gg_0202 wrote:

> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > Dear Anilji,

> > > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done a

> > research

> > > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> > > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> > > I hope this helps,

> > > Thanq,

> > > With Humbleness,

> > > Wish u all success,

> > >

> > > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> > > http://gauravg.askagent.com

> > > ------------Send messages to the group, not to

> > me------------------

>

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Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

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August 16, 2006

Om Sri gurave Namah!

Dear Members,

Yes, Let us discuss, what exactle KSY/KAS are.

What is Kaalsarp?

View I- When all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu (i.e., the moon's north node and the moon's south node), Kaalsarp Yoga is formed. Complete Kaalsarp Yoga is formed only when half of the chart is unoccupied by planets. Even if one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu Axis, there is no Kaalsarp Yoga.

Before you do any remedies for the Kaalsarp Yoga, make sure that all planets are between Rahu and Ketu. Even if there is one planet outside the Rahu-Ketu axis the Kaalsarp Yoga does not exist.

The Kaalsarp Yoga is not always bad. It has the power to confer gains too.All planets must be hemmed between Rahu and Ketu.Even if one planet is outside the Rahu Ketu axis there is no Kaalsarp Yoga.Rahu is the moon's north node. Ketu is the moon's south node.

View II- A lot has been read, said and discussed about the Kalsarpa Yoga. This yoga, and please notice the choice of words - it is a yoga and _not_ a dosha, is caused when all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. The figure on the side illustrates this point. If a person has Kalsarpa yoga in his kundali, Rahu and Ketu are said to limit the potential of the chart and not allow other important yogas to take effect. In practice, it is observed that this role of Rahu and Ketu diminishes over time and good things are just delayed for such people. Again, noted Astrologer Dr.B.V.Raman is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the other axis while all the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis, then the evil arising out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised.

This is just a commentary on what I have learnt about Kalsarpa yoga over the years. My advice to the readers is not to take this yoga too seriously and go on with the life. Research shows that this yoga was not a part of classical texts written by great sages like Parashara, Bhrigu etc. but gained importance later.

View I-Type of Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu is in the first House and Ketu in the seventh house and the rest of the planets are to the left of this axis the Yoga which arises is the Anant Kalsarp Yoga. This is also called as Vipareeta Kaalsarp yoga opposite Kaalsarp Yoga. Though this yoga has the power to give windfall gains to the native, it is bad for marital life. Generally natives with this yoga get married late in life .

View II - Types of Kalsarpa Yoga

There are 12 types of Kalsarpa Yoga. Kal Amrita Yoga is not a seperate yoga.

View I- Anant Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in Lagna, Ketu in seventh house: The person is prone to be target of conspiracies hatched by people supposedly close to him. The person is likely to lose out in matters of courts. Married life would be marred by differences between husband and wife.

View I - Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the second house and Ketu the eighth house Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga arises. This combination is bad for health. The probability of losses and accidents is high with natives of this combination. This is bad for financial prosperity too. The native is worried on account of an insecure financial standing.

View II-Kulika Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in second house, Ketu in eighth: This combination is not good for the person's health. Expenses would be more then the income and the financial situation would remain fairly mediocre. He has to struggle a lot in life to achieve something.

View I- Vasuki Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the third house and Ketu the ninth house and the rest of the planets are located to the left of the Rahu Ketu axis, this yoga is born. The native is burdened with problems relating to job and business.

View II - Vasuki Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in third house, Ketu in ninth: The person would have trouble dealing with his brothers and friends. Travel to foreign countries would create problems. The person having this combination in his chart should take precautions in deals by paying extra attention towards legal documentation.

View I -Shankpal Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the 4th house and Ketu the 10th this yoga is formed. The native gets trouble relating to work sphere and has to go through stress and anxiety. Sometimes the native has an illegitimate child, or can be an illegitimate child. However this yoga also has the power of conferring high political success and windfall gains.

View II- Shankapal Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fourth house, Ketu in tenth: The person with this combination would never be satisfied with his financial situation and would always strive for more. The person is prone to troubles relating to immovable property - e.g. land, houses and modes of conveyance - e.g. cars

View I -Padam Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the fifth house and Ketu the eleventh house this Yoga is formed. The native is worried on account of children. There is difficulty in getting a progeny. If the moon is also afflicted then there is the possibility of being troubled by spirits. In this case if a native falls ill the recovery time is slow. There are also chances of being let down by friends in this case.

View II- Padma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fifth house, Ketu in eleventh: The person would have trouble with children. The person should never try his luck in lottery, share markets, and anything where speculation is involved

View I -Mahapadam Kaalsarp Yoga

This yoga is formed when Rahu is in the 6th house and Ketu is in the twelfth house. The native has many enemies and has problems on account of diseases. However, if this yoga acts beneficially, it has the power to confer power and political success.

View II-Mahapadma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in sixth house, Ketu in twelfth: The person would not do well in relationships and would have a very pessimistic view of life.

View I- Takshak Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu is in the seventh house and Ketu in the first house this yoga is formed. The native has speculative tendencies and can lose wealth by way of wine, women and gambling. There is marital discord in the life of the native.

View II - Takshak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in seventh house, Ketu in first: There is a need for the person to be extra careful in matter relating to married life and business partnerships.

View I- Karkotak Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the eighth house and Ketu the second house this yoga is formed. The native is short tempered and has many enemies. Such a native has friendship with anti-social elements. The native does not get paternal wealth.

View II - Karkotik Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eighth house, Ketu in second: The person does not benefit from any paternal property. There would be a lot of trust issues between the person and his friends. This combination is not good for health and Rahu being in eighth house is usually not considered good as it indicates a sudden and violent death.

View I- Shankachood Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the ninth house and Ketu is in the 3rd house this yoga operates. Natives who have this yoga in the chart have many ups and down in life. They have a habit of speaking lies. They are also short tempered.

View II -Shankhnaad Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in ninth house, Ketu in third: This combination indicates problems from higher authorities, government of the day and local administration in the field of business and commerce.

View I- Ghatak Kaalsarp Yoga

This yoga arises when Rahu is in tenth house and Ketu in the fourth house. Litigation problems are common is this case. Punishment by law or the Government also possible. However if this yoga operates in a beneficial manner then it has the power to confer the highest form of political power, especially in Virgo and Leo ascendant.

View II- Paatak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in tenth house, Ketu in fourth: Rahu being in tenth house indicates problem in employment and higher authorities whom the person would report to during his/her job.

View I -Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the eleventh house and Ketu the fifth house the yoga which arises is the Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga. The native travels frequently and is never fixed at one place. Problems also arise from children. However these natives get some peace in the latter half of their life.

View II -Vishakt Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eleventh house, Ketu in fifth: This combination indicates a lot of problems between the person and his elder brother. The person would also remain away from his native place throughout his life. The person would be prone to problems like heart trouble, insomnia etc.

View I- Sheshnag Kaalsarp Yoga

When Rahu occupies the twelfth house and Ketu the 6th house this yoga arises. The native has problems relating to litigation. There are many enemies and health problems.

View II- Sheshnag Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in twelfth house, Ketu in sixth: The person would be prone to problems from people whom he does not know - mysterious enemies.

Remedies: View II

1. Pray to Lord Shiva in His Maharudra avatar on Mondays. Rudrashatakam written by Goswami Tulasidas in Ramacharit Manas should be chanted regularly.

2.Wear a gomed, about two and a half carets in size in the little finger.

3. Wear a special ring, shaped like a serpent with a small Gomed at the head and a Vaidurya (lahsuniya) at the tail. This ring is to be worn in the middle finger.

4. A pooja at Trayambkeshwara Temple about 40 kms from the city of Nasik in Maharashtra is suggested.

ViewIII- This gives descriptions about various planets if outside Rahu- Ketu axis,and there benefit and the important point is native with KSY and one planet outside meets with sudden and unexpected changes in his/her life.

Kal Amrita Yoga- If exists, best example is chart of India, taken from August 15, 1947, 12.00 AM, New Delhi, India.

One lesson by Shri P.V.R.Narshima Rao garu, there is a talk about these yogas.

More than this info not available with me.

I am searching for chart of prominent people with complete KSY. ( including in file section of this forum)

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai,

SPI

sushmagupta51 <sushmagupta51 > wrote:

Hello friends,

This seems like a very intersting/controversial discussion, and very

informative too. Out of the horoscopes that have been listed below:

1) some have KSY and others have KAY.

2) There is a dictum - that KSY/KAY is broken by planets in Lagna or

conjoining Rahu or Ketu. If it happens it results in a Maha Yoga

which can take the native to unbelievable heights.

Keeping this in mind, now look at all the horoscopes listed again.

e.g.- Nehru, has Jupiter and Moon breaking the KAY. Once that

happened he reached great heights! similarly apply the dictum to

other horoscopes.

Instead of debating Lets take a constructive approach -

1) list the negatives of the KSY/KAY yoga

2) look at the horoscopes of natives with KSY/KAY and analyze and

contrast both (1) with (2)

Let me know if that sounds good to members of the forum?

Warm regards,

Pranav

vedic astrology, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> You could be right. My point is that it remains a hypothesis

> (like those who claim KSY is bad) until it is proven

> conclusively with proper data points.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 wrote:

>

> > See that I have written about full / partial KSY as people are

> > using it too. Read the book referred to or ask the proponents

> > of so called KSY to predict before hand. Then, think

> > judiciously, how a yoga that stays there for about 14 -15 days

> > (100% as per your definition) be of any significance. Combine

> > it with the fact that no classical reference is found for the

> > so called KSY.

> >

> > P.Kumar

> >

> > -

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > vedic astrology

> > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:28 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > Astroresearch no 5

> >

> > Dear Kumarji,

> >

> > With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

> > horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not

> > find

> > a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

> >

> > - Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

> > - Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

> > - Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

> > - Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

> > - Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

> > - Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

> > - Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

> > Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala

> > Amrita

> > Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as

> > planets

> > are between Ketu and Rahu.

> >

> > I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant

> > (even

> > in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

> >

> > Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

> > conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data

> > before

> > accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or

> > anything

> > proposed by anyone.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24 wrote:

> >

> > > For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the

> > book

> > > 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran

> > astrologer

> > > Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

> > > presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in

> > their

> > > charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply

> > sound

> > > common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound

> > common

> > > sense to following facts:

> > >

> > > 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for

> > almost

> > > 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

> > > axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during

> > this

> > > period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

> > > life ?

> > > 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY

> > (when

> > > one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

> > > responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer,

> > say

> > > even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ?

> > Remember,

> > > subtleties are most important in astrology.

> > >

> > > Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

> > > Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar

> > the

> > > Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and

> > many

> > > -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious

> > and

> > > prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

> > > unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa

> > Yoga

> > > in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

> > >

> > > P.Kumar

> > >

> > > -

> > > Suri allam

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > > Astroresearch no 5

> > >

> > > Om gurave namah!

> > > Dear kandpall jee,

> > > I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or

> > maladies

> > > and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga.

> > how

> > > to prove that it is there or not.

> > > I think some true data will do?

> > > Thanks!

> > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > SPI

> > > Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

> > > etc.

> > > mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

> > > something

> > > please do share.

> > >

> > > In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

> > > that

> > > occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

> > > Rahu-Ketu

> > > are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

> > > Devata is

> > > prescribed with other methods etc.

> > >

> > > As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

> > > such yogas

> > > where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

> > > prosperity

> > > of their own.

> > >

> > > This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years

> > back

> > > and a

> > > number of people have been making money out of this by

> > > creating fear

> > > in people's mind.

> > >

> > > As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe

> > out

> > > such

> > > myths rather than proliferating these.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Prakash Kandpal

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

> > > <gkgoel1937@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

> > > such

> > > thing like Kala-

> > > > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> > > > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

> > > it is

> > > bound to have some good or bad effects.

> > > > That is all about these yogas.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > >

> > > > Suri allam <ianianala@> wrote:

> > > > Om gurave Namah!

> > > > Dear gaurav jee,

> > > > kindly can you share with us what research you did and

> > how

> > > you

> > > concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> > > > I am interested in your research approach and

> > conclusion.

> > > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > > SPI

> > > >

> > > > <gg_0202@> wrote:

> > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > Dear Anilji,

> > > > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done

> > a

> > > research

> > > > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> > > > I hope this helps,

> > > > Thanq,

> > > > With Humbleness,

> > > > Wish u all success,

> > > >

> > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> > > > http://gauravg.askagent.com

> > > > ------------Send messages to the group, not to

> > > me------------------

> > > --

> > > >

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

Thanks!

Om Namah Shivai!

SPI

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