Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2006 Well, at least there would be no lack of company with like-minded folks. Might be good fellowship lamenting together and sharing tales of what had been eaten. Just yanking your garter , james richard <nhraddude71 wrote: > > Great, so its gonna be crouded in hell. > > narasimhaye <no_reply> wrote: Don't worry about it, you're not the only one. Lots of gurus and swamis > I've seen with my own eyes, do it too. And they were supposed to be > strictly vegetarian and already entered the Sanyas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2006 Did you ever read Ram Das's book Be Here Now from Hanuman press. That book changed my life about 15 years ago. Unfortunately Richard Alpert (Ram Das) is a very sick man now. Pray for him . He truly suffered and gave up a lot in his search to find god. Padmakara <devodakshinamurthi > wrote: Ram Das's Guru took a handful of Lysergic Acid Dylathalemide (LSD) to prove its mind of matter, but again the guru's Swami's and so on are Jivamutki's. Plus it all dpepends the beliefs of that particular Lineage. Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2006 I gave up the burgers but I must have ate thousands of them in my lifetime. Is there a amnesty clause in hinduism like there is in christianity? trikashaivism <Trikashaivism (AT) onetel (DOT) com> wrote: Namaste, LOL! That made me chuckle. But it's never to late to give up the burgers folks! The gates to veggie heaven are still open. Much better than being grilled like a burger LOL Om Shanti Neil , james richard <nhraddude71 wrote: > > Great, so its gonna be crouded in hell. > > narasimhaye <no_reply> wrote: Don't worry about it, you're not the only one. Lots of gurus and swamis > I've seen with my own eyes, do it too. And they were supposed to be > strictly vegetarian and already entered the Sanyas. > > , james richard <nhraddude71@> wrote: > > > > That was a heavy peace of reading. I guess im getting dragged off to > hell for all those cheese burgers I ate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2006 God knows we have a hard time, Richard, and I wouldn't worry too much about it. I, myself, drink too much coffee, and the Hare Krishnas don't drink coffee, but I don't worry too much about it. They have a big support group and people who cook for them, and most likely vegetarian cooking classes too. I probably should have joined them, but I wouldn't say that Lord Shiva is subordinate to Krishna. Barbara - james richard Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:43 PM Re: Re: Cheeseburgers I gave up the burgers but I must have ate thousands of them in my lifetime. Is there a amnesty clause in hinduism like there is in christianity? trikashaivism <Trikashaivism (AT) onetel (DOT) com> wrote: Namaste, LOL! That made me chuckle. But it's never to late to give up the burgers folks! The gates to veggie heaven are still open. Much better than being grilled like a burger LOL Om Shanti Neil , james richard <nhraddude71 wrote: > > Great, so its gonna be crouded in hell. > > narasimhaye <no_reply> wrote: Don't worry about it, you're not the only one. Lots of gurus and swamis > I've seen with my own eyes, do it too. And they were supposed to be > strictly vegetarian and already entered the Sanyas. > > , james richard <nhraddude71@> wrote: > > > > That was a heavy peace of reading. I guess im getting dragged off to > hell for all those cheese burgers I ate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release 6/12/06 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2006 Namaste, I've been veggie for 15 years and IMHO it is one the best decisions I have ever made. I need to be careful that I don't get on my high horse here as it is one of the subjects that I feel strongly about and this group isn't really intended for such matters. But from a purely spiritual perspective I think it is a wise choice in many ways and I would recommend it to fellow seekers. Om Shanti Neil , j <barbjs wrote: > > You could ask someone in the Hare Krishna movement about a good veggie burger recipe. Someone connected to their movement told me once that the hardest meat for Westerners to give up when becoming vegetarians is the hamburger. Sometimes, I buy veggie burger patties myself, and once in a while, I have a hankering for veggie hot dogs, but I'm sure that the Hare Krishna movement has already found a mixture which you can make yourself which is very good. They had that problem, too. > > Barbara > - > trikashaivism > > Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:34 PM > Re: Cheeseburgers > > > Namaste, > > LOL! That made me chuckle. But it's never to late to give up the > burgers folks! The gates to veggie heaven are still open. Much > better than being grilled like a burger LOL > > Om Shanti > Neil > > , james richard <nhraddude71@> > wrote: > > > > Great, so its gonna be crouded in hell. > > > > narasimhaye <no_reply> wrote: Don't worry > about it, you're not the only one. Lots of gurus and swamis > > I've seen with my own eyes, do it too. And they were supposed to > be > > strictly vegetarian and already entered the Sanyas. > > > > , james richard <nhraddude71@> > wrote: > > > > > > That was a heavy peace of reading. I guess im getting dragged > off to > > hell for all those cheese burgers I ate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - ------------- > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release 6/12/06 > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2006 Yeah, from the Hare Krisna's tand point all gods exhist only to serve Vishnu and that is the only reason for them to exhist at all. I dont know what to make of that. j <barbjs (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote: God knows we have a hard time, Richard, and I wouldn't worry too much about it. I, myself, drink too much coffee, and the Hare Krishnas don't drink coffee, but I don't worry too much about it. They have a big support group and people who cook for them, and most likely vegetarian cooking classes too. I probably should have joined them, but I wouldn't say that Lord Shiva is subordinate to Krishna. Barbara - james richard Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:43 PM Re: Re: Cheeseburgers I gave up the burgers but I must have ate thousands of them in my lifetime. Is there a amnesty clause in hinduism like there is in christianity? trikashaivism <Trikashaivism (AT) onetel (DOT) com> wrote: Namaste, LOL! That made me chuckle. But it's never to late to give up the burgers folks! The gates to veggie heaven are still open. Much better than being grilled like a burger LOL Om Shanti Neil , james richard <nhraddude71 wrote: > > Great, so its gonna be crouded in hell. > > narasimhaye <no_reply> wrote: Don't worry about it, you're not the only one. Lots of gurus and swamis > I've seen with my own eyes, do it too. And they were supposed to be > strictly vegetarian and already entered the Sanyas. > > , james richard <nhraddude71@> wrote: > > > > That was a heavy peace of reading. I guess im getting dragged off to > hell for all those cheese burgers I ate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release 6/12/06 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2006 Ive actually done a real good job of staying away from beef but I still eat chicken and fish. Is that still bad? trikashaivism <Trikashaivism (AT) onetel (DOT) com> wrote: Namaste, I've been veggie for 15 years and IMHO it is one the best decisions I have ever made. I need to be careful that I don't get on my high horse here as it is one of the subjects that I feel strongly about and this group isn't really intended for such matters. But from a purely spiritual perspective I think it is a wise choice in many ways and I would recommend it to fellow seekers. Om Shanti Neil , j <barbjs wrote: > > You could ask someone in the Hare Krishna movement about a good veggie burger recipe. Someone connected to their movement told me once that the hardest meat for Westerners to give up when becoming vegetarians is the hamburger. Sometimes, I buy veggie burger patties myself, and once in a while, I have a hankering for veggie hot dogs, but I'm sure that the Hare Krishna movement has already found a mixture which you can make yourself which is very good. They had that problem, too. > > Barbara > - > trikashaivism > > Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:34 PM > Re: Cheeseburgers > > > Namaste, > > LOL! That made me chuckle. But it's never to late to give up the > burgers folks! The gates to veggie heaven are still open. Much > better than being grilled like a burger LOL > > Om Shanti > Neil > > , james richard <nhraddude71@> > wrote: > > > > Great, so its gonna be crouded in hell. > > > > narasimhaye <no_reply> wrote: Don't worry > about it, you're not the only one. Lots of gurus and swamis > > I've seen with my own eyes, do it too. And they were supposed to > be > > strictly vegetarian and already entered the Sanyas. > > > > , james richard <nhraddude71@> > wrote: > > > > > > That was a heavy peace of reading. I guess im getting dragged > off to > > hell for all those cheese burgers I ate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- ------------- > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release 6/12/06 > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2006 Namaste, I'm a big fan of Ram Dass, the manner in which he presents things is just so loving and easy to absorb. I wouldn't worry to much about Ram Dass as he has Neem Karoli Baba looking after him. Even though he has suffered much, especially after his stroke, he is good hands and I'm confident he is being looked well after both spiritually and physically. But of course a prayer for the suffering is always of benefit. Be Here Now is quite an unique book, definetly a product of the time and era. The first section is certainly worth a read, as is the last section on sadhana and other matters. I think this must have been a book that has touched a lot of people in a profound way. Om Shanti Neil , james richard <nhraddude71 wrote: > > Did you ever read Ram Das's book Be Here Now from Hanuman press. That book changed my life about 15 years ago. Unfortunately Richard Alpert (Ram Das) is a very sick man now. Pray for him . He truly suffered and gave up a lot in his search to find god. > > Padmakara <devodakshinamurthi wrote: Ram Das's Guru took a handful of Lysergic Acid Dylathalemide (LSD) to prove its mind of matter, but again the guru's Swami's and so on are Jivamutki's. Plus it all dpepends the beliefs of that particular Lineage. > > Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2006 Namaste, I personally don't know of any kind of confess all and get of jail card like there is in Christain beliefs. However, there is thankfully meditation! In meditation some karmas can be burned up and therefore don't have to come into fruitition. However, if the karma is a big one, especially if it has resulted in a samskara, then it is said it has to come into being to satisfy karmic law. So meditate away and burn up those karmas folks! : ) Om Shanti Neil , james richard <nhraddude71 wrote: > > I gave up the burgers but I must have ate thousands of them in my lifetime. Is there a amnesty clause in hinduism like there is in christianity? > > trikashaivism <Trikashaivism wrote: Namaste, > > LOL! That made me chuckle. But it's never to late to give up the > burgers folks! The gates to veggie heaven are still open. Much > better than being grilled like a burger LOL > > Om Shanti > Neil > > , james richard <nhraddude71@> > wrote: > > > > Great, so its gonna be crouded in hell. > > > > narasimhaye <no_reply> wrote: Don't worry > about it, you're not the only one. Lots of gurus and swamis > > I've seen with my own eyes, do it too. And they were supposed to > be > > strictly vegetarian and already entered the Sanyas. > > > > , james richard <nhraddude71@> > wrote: > > > > > > That was a heavy peace of reading. I guess im getting dragged > off to > > hell for all those cheese burgers I ate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2006 Namaste, "Bad" is a pretty loaded term and I wouldn't like to say to someone that they are "bad" and re-inforce the ego and sense of limited self. Ultimately you are Shiva, so how could you be bad? It is up to you to decide whether you think your actions could be improved for your own benefit and for those who they affect. And if you are motivated and willing enough to make the effort. Om Shanti Neil , james richard <nhraddude71 wrote: > > Ive actually done a real good job of staying away from beef but I still eat chicken and fish. Is that still bad? > > > trikashaivism <Trikashaivism wrote: > Namaste, > > I've been veggie for 15 years and IMHO it is one the best decisions > I have ever made. I need to be careful that I don't get on my high > horse here as it is one of the subjects that I feel strongly about > and this group isn't really intended for such matters. But from a > purely spiritual perspective I think it is a wise choice in many > ways and I would recommend it to fellow seekers. > > Om Shanti > Neil > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2006 Dear Richard, My belief is, that, even from a humanitarian standpoint, it is wrong to eat meat; however, if one should fall off the path occasionally, that seems to me to be no reason to go out and hang oneself; just pick oneself up again and get back on the path. As someone once told me, "No one here is perfect; if a person is perfect, that person wouldn't be here." Barbara - trikashaivism Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:44 AM Re: Cheeseburgers Namaste, "Bad" is a pretty loaded term and I wouldn't like to say to someone that they are "bad" and re-inforce the ego and sense of limited self. Ultimately you are Shiva, so how could you be bad? It is up to you to decide whether you think your actions could be improved for your own benefit and for those who they affect. And if you are motivated and willing enough to make the effort. Om Shanti Neil , james richard <nhraddude71 wrote: > > Ive actually done a real good job of staying away from beef but I still eat chicken and fish. Is that still bad? > > > trikashaivism <Trikashaivism wrote: > Namaste, > > I've been veggie for 15 years and IMHO it is one the best decisions > I have ever made. I need to be careful that I don't get on my high > horse here as it is one of the subjects that I feel strongly about > and this group isn't really intended for such matters. But from a > purely spiritual perspective I think it is a wise choice in many > ways and I would recommend it to fellow seekers. > > Om Shanti > Neil > -- Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release 6/12/06 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2006 Namaste Barbaraji, Wise words indeed. Thank you for sharing. >As someone once told me, "No one here is perfect; if a person is >perfect, that person wouldn't be here." Om Shanti Neil , j <barbjs wrote: > > Dear Richard, > > My belief is, that, even from a humanitarian standpoint, it is wrong to eat meat; however, if one should fall off the path occasionally, that seems to me to be no reason to go out and hang oneself; just pick oneself up again and get back on the path. As someone once told me, "No one here is perfect; if a person is perfect, that person wouldn't be here." > > Barbara > - > trikashaivism > > Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:44 AM > Re: Cheeseburgers > > > Namaste, > > "Bad" is a pretty loaded term and I wouldn't like to say to someone > that they are "bad" and re-inforce the ego and sense of limited > self. Ultimately you are Shiva, so how could you be bad? It is up to > you to decide whether you think your actions could be improved for > your own benefit and for those who they affect. And if you are > motivated and willing enough to make the effort. > > Om Shanti > Neil > > , james richard <nhraddude71@> > wrote: > > > > Ive actually done a real good job of staying away from beef but I > still eat chicken and fish. Is that still bad? > > > > > > trikashaivism <Trikashaivism@> wrote: > > Namaste, > > > > I've been veggie for 15 years and IMHO it is one the best > decisions > > I have ever made. I need to be careful that I don't get on my high > > horse here as it is one of the subjects that I feel strongly about > > and this group isn't really intended for such matters. But from a > > purely spiritual perspective I think it is a wise choice in many > > ways and I would recommend it to fellow seekers. > > > > Om Shanti > > Neil > > > > > > > > > - ------------- > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release 6/12/06 > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2006 I am told that the ISKCON people use way too much ghee (clarified butter) and sugar in their lacto-vegetarian cooking, with the excuse that "Krishna is SWEET!" But excess sugar is bad for your health, too. -- Len j <barbjs (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote: God knows we have a hard time, Richard, and I wouldn't worry too much about it. I, myself, drink too much coffee, and the Hare Krishnas don't drink coffee, but I don't worry too much about it. They have a big support group and people who cook for them, and most likely vegetarian cooking classes too. I probably should have joined them, but I wouldn't say that Lord Shiva is subordinate to Krishna. Barbara - james richard Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:43 PM Re: Re: Cheeseburgers I gave up the burgers but I must have ate thousands of them in my lifetime. Is there a amnesty clause in hinduism like there is in christianity? trikashaivism <Trikashaivism (AT) onetel (DOT) com> wrote: Namaste, LOL! That made me chuckle. But it's never to late to give up the burgers folks! The gates to veggie heaven are still open. Much better than being grilled like a burger LOL Om Shanti Neil , james richard <nhraddude71 wrote: > > Great, so its gonna be crouded in hell. > > narasimhaye <no_reply> wrote: Don't worry about it, you're not the only one. Lots of gurus and swamis > I've seen with my own eyes, do it too. And they were supposed to be > strictly vegetarian and already entered the Sanyas. > > , james richard <nhraddude71@> wrote: > > > > That was a heavy peace of reading. I guess im getting dragged off to > hell for all those cheese burgers I ate. > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release 6/12/06 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2006 That is what I tell me carnivorous relative, with reincarnation, one could be eating a relative, and who wants that! Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2006 Look at Alexander the "Great", he conquered the world, but could not kill ... you guessed it ... a Sadhu who was naked and had nothing! As well, take a look at Agorhi's but I personally wouldn't say bad of what they do. One god paths are many, many .. many. Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2006 by the time a beef eater is 50 they have 5 pounds of undigested rotted meat in their digestive tract, and thats just for people who eat it 2 to 3 times a week, imagine the everyday eaters Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2006 Define suffering? Did his Self suffer? Is a person thei assaigned body gender? Are we our bodies? I want to read the book. I think Hindu George Harrison did the song, I loved the PBS special on him! Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2006 I'll never say "bite me" or "eat me" to anyone again! Om Shanti Neil , Padmakara <devodakshinamurthi wrote: > > That is what I tell me carnivorous relative, with reincarnation, one could be eating a relative, and who wants that! > > Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2006 Namaste, It is perhaps worthwhile briefly elaborating on the likes of the Aghoris, Vama-marga Tantrics, etc., for anyone not familiar with such things. In these groups/schools their consumption of meat, wine or the drinking from skull caps was all done in the context of sadhana (typically ritualistic). Often much of this, particularly in Tantric cases was only done after several years of other disciplines and under the guidance of a competent guru. A comparison can't really be made (and nobody is suggesting that anyway) to the consumption of such things in an average western context (for lack of a better way of expressing it). Even much of the Tantric practices, according to the likes of Abhinavagupta, was meant to be internalised and not necessarily a physical practice. As the Tantrika sadhaka progressed their practices went from being anavopaya (lowest degree of practice utilising their own instruments such as the senses) up to Shambhavopaya (highest degree of practice which is purely internalised). Om Shanti Neil , Padmakara <devodakshinamurthi wrote: > > Look at Alexander the "Great", he conquered the world, but could not kill ... you guessed it ... a Sadhu who was naked and had nothing! As well, take a look at Agorhi's but I personally wouldn't say bad of what they do. One god paths are many, many .. many. > > Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2006 Of course! How can Mahadeva be subordinate to his own self? Swami Bua Maharaj is Saivite, 128 and cooks for himself and teaches lay people cooking! Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2006 All Hindu's Believe that if you look deep in the inner teachings, the only difference is the name of the God depends on the religious name. Further more we are all meant to serve Him, the name is not the important part. if you had a different name would you be different? Think more of others and less of Y-O-U! Native Americans Until the Caucaziods came had no I in their languge. How great is that! Tat Tvam Asi!!! Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2006 Depends ... What dietary teachings are you in? if Sattvic then you ought to look up yamas and Niyama's I have a link if you want it .. Traditionally we all should be Sattvic, but now not always so. Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2006 I got one if you all think about it ........ say it with me ..... KAVADI!!! Panance, its lengthy by nature ... its hard on us but the grand prize is .... burning bad karma! Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2006 I used to think that about Sugar, but some type I can't think of the name is not unhealthy. Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2006 What do you mean Alexander the great couldnt kill? I never heard such a thing.Ive heard Gengis Khan he could not keep all his kings supplied with sleep. Padmakara <devodakshinamurthi > wrote: Look at Alexander the "Great", he conquered the world, but could not kill ... you guessed it ... a Sadhu who was naked and had nothing! As well, take a look at Agorhi's but I personally wouldn't say bad of what they do. One god paths are many, many .. many. Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
