Sacrifice Of Wealth Is The Way

June 5, 2006

No offense but your attentions and berations are misplaced. The world needs another savior like it does fifty more pounds of pork back.

-

surya

Monday, June 05, 2006 9:52 AM

Re: Sacrifice Of Wealth Is The Way

So whatever you wrote is for normal people. Sometime there will be

extraordinary cases. i think you do not heard of any such

extraordinary case. Accepting truth is very difficult and for that

matter even at the discussion stage itself. But when all the

preachers (human incarnations) are preaching the same knowledge, no

human being cannot deny. Following it or not is left individuals

discretion.

Mostly people do not appreciate the greatness of anybody when they

are alive. Popularity comes afterwards only. When shirdi Sai Baba

was alive, He was having only a handful of devotees only. Now you

will find devotees in every street of India.

posted by: His servant

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

www.universal-spirituality.org

June 6, 2006

Namaste,

Vow! A most curious interpretation of Gita's concept of Karma Yoga. Gita as an attempt by Lord Krishna to make a quick buck!! Any clue how much money was paid by Arjuna? Srimad Bhagavatam says that Lord Krishna is a "poornavataram". But not "pari poorna ..."

pranams,

surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: , Devi Son <devi_son wrote:

> Dear Surya,

> I only believe in divine mother who never asked any monetary

offer from me. She is my mother not my guru (mother is more than

guru and sometimes she herself is guru), hence the issue 'Guru

Dakshina" does not arise.

> I have one guru who is very affectionate to me and I bend down,

touch his feet and salute him with complete respect. He is very

pleased with my respectful salutation and treat me a like a son with

complete love and honour. He never expected monetary offers from me

as "Guru Dakshina".

> Coming to issue of helping the needy people, I always do help

based on personal qualities of opposite person. I do help needy

ones taking the name of Goddess.

> I belive everyone in general is doing these basic things as

devotee. Where does question arise "Guru Dakshina" or giving excess

money to "Sadguru"?

> My understanding is 'Guru Dakshina" not necessarily always

means "money". The respect we offer to him or the good reference he

enjoy due to our success is also called as "Guru Dakshina".

> During my childhood I was told the real "Guru Dakshina" is

reaching heigher goals and not to feel insult / shy to refer name of

his guru who gave him this great knowledge. Someone rising to

international standards and bringing good name would always make

Guru enjoy the pride of being 'GURU' Such pride offer is real "Guru

Dakshina". We need more people who can offer such guru dakshina

with humility.

> Regards

> Upendra V

The scriptures say that your sacrifice of money to Lord in human

form (who is only Satguru like Krishna or Rama or Jesus) is highest

(even not for social service also).

1)In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya), Gita says that the

fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam

Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice

the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work

on the top most level. Gita says `Jnanat dhyanam visishyate, Dhyanat

Karma Phala Tyagah'i.e., Bhakti (devotion) is better than Jnana

(knowledge) and sacrificing the fruit of your work (money) is better

than Bakthi.

2)Gita says `Sarva karma Phala tyagam', `prahuh tyagam vichakshanah'

i.e., if you can give the fruit of the entire work to the Lord, then

that is real sacrifice.

3)`Na karmana, Na prajaya, Dhanena, tyage naike Amritatvam Aanasuh'

i.e., you cannot attain God by selfish work or the children. You

can attain God only by sacrificing your money for God's work. ï¿½ The

Veda

4)The first words of the first Upanishath (Easavaasyam) says, `Tena

tyaktena Bhunjeedah' `Ma gradha ha kasyasvit Dhanam' i.e., this

entire world is the money of the Lord. Take whatever you require

from His wealth; don't take extra which is not permitted by the

God. If you have taken, you are a thief. Return it back to the

Lord.

5)Veda says `Samvidha' `Shraddhayaa' `Hriya' `Bhiya dheyam', i.e.,

return the extra to the Lord in human form after recognizing Him

through His Jnana. Wait patiently till you recognize the Lord in

human form. When you are donating your money to Him (actually you

are giving Him His own money) you should give it with fear and feel

shy.

6)In Yoga Vasistha the Guru Vasista says to Rama (Dhanamarjaya)

i.e., bring money and offer it to me as Guru Dakshina before I can

teach you the Jnana.

Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this

important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma

Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. Mr. Patil, a

farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba and took back

whatever Baba gave back to him.

Matthewï¿½6 : 19 to 22

"Do not Lay up for yourselves, treasures on earth. But lay up for

yourselves treasures in heaven. For where your treasure is there

your heart will be also".

Matthew -7: 21

"Not everyone who say to Me, `Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of

heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven".

Holy Islam speaks about the sacrifice of fruit of work (money)

through the word `Jakaat'. This word says that every rich man is

expected to practice the sacrifice within the limit of his wealth.

Islam says that people are loving too much the money (Q'ran:

AalFajr ï¿½ 20). Islam says that by sacrifice of money your wealth

will not decrease and in fact your wealth increases by sacrifice.

Islam also mentions that by sacrifice of money your wealth becomes

most pure.

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

June 6, 2006

and since there can be only one "pari" and that place is already taken. U know where all your savings must go!! If only I were a "apri" (

"Krishnakumar M." <krishna_kumar_m > wrote: Namaste,

Vow! A most curious interpretation of Gita's concept of Karma Yoga. Gita as an attempt by Lord Krishna to make a quick buck!! Any clue how much money was paid by Arjuna? Srimad Bhagavatam says that Lord Krishna is a "poornavataram". But not "pari poorna ..."

pranams,

surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: , Devi Son <devi_son wrote:

> Dear Surya,

> I only believe in divine mother who never asked any monetary

offer from me. She is my mother not my guru (mother is more than

guru and sometimes she herself is guru), hence the issue 'Guru

Dakshina" does not arise.

> I have one guru who is very affectionate to me and I bend down,

touch his feet and salute him with complete respect. He is very

pleased with my respectful salutation and treat me a like a son with

complete love and honour. He never expected monetary offers from me

as "Guru Dakshina".

> Coming to issue of helping the needy people, I always do help

based on personal qualities of opposite person. I do help needy

ones taking the name of Goddess.

> I belive everyone in general is doing these basic things as

devotee. Where does question arise "Guru Dakshina" or giving excess

money to "Sadguru"?

> My understanding is 'Guru Dakshina" not necessarily always

means "money". The respect we offer to him or the good reference he

enjoy due to our success is also called as "Guru Dakshina".

> During my childhood I was told the real "Guru Dakshina" is

reaching heigher goals and not to feel insult / shy to refer name of

his guru who gave him this great knowledge. Someone rising to

international standards and bringing good name would always make

Guru enjoy the pride of being 'GURU' Such pride offer is real "Guru

Dakshina". We need more people who can offer such guru dakshina

with humility.

> Regards

> Upendra V

The scriptures say that your sacrifice of money to Lord in human

form (who is only Satguru like Krishna or Rama or Jesus) is highest

(even not for social service also).

1)In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya), Gita says that the

fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam

Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice

the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work

on the top most level. Gita says `Jnanat dhyanam visishyate, Dhyanat

Karma Phala Tyagah'i.e., Bhakti (devotion) is better than Jnana

(knowledge) and sacrificing the fruit of your work (money) is better

than Bakthi.

2)Gita says `Sarva karma Phala tyagam', `prahuh tyagam vichakshanah'

i.e., if you can give the fruit of the entire work to the Lord, then

that is real sacrifice.

3)`Na karmana, Na prajaya, Dhanena, tyage naike Amritatvam Aanasuh'

i.e., you cannot attain God by selfish work or the children. You

can attain God only by sacrificing your money for God's work. ï¿½ The

Veda

4)The first words of the first Upanishath (Easavaasyam) says, `Tena

tyaktena Bhunjeedah' `Ma gradha ha kasyasvit Dhanam' i.e., this

entire world is the money of the Lord. Take whatever you require

from His wealth; don't take extra which is not permitted by the

God. If you have taken, you are a thief. Return it back to the

Lord.

5)Veda says `Samvidha' `Shraddhayaa' `Hriya' `Bhiya dheyam', i.e.,

return the extra to the Lord in human form after recognizing Him

through His Jnana. Wait patiently till you recognize the Lord in

human form. When you are donating your money to Him (actually you

are giving Him His own money) you should give it with fear and feel

shy.

6)In Yoga Vasistha the Guru Vasista says to Rama (Dhanamarjaya)

i.e., bring money and offer it to me as Guru Dakshina before I can

teach you the Jnana.

Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this

important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma

Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. Mr. Patil, a

farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba and took back

whatever Baba gave back to him.

Matthewï¿½6 : 19 to 22

"Do not Lay up for yourselves, treasures on earth. But lay up for

yourselves treasures in heaven. For where your treasure is there

your heart will be also".

Matthew -7: 21

"Not everyone who say to Me, `Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of

heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven".

Holy Islam speaks about the sacrifice of fruit of work (money)

through the word `Jakaat'. This word says that every rich man is

expected to practice the sacrifice within the limit of his wealth.

Islam says that people are loving too much the money (Q'ran:

AalFajr ï¿½ 20). Islam says that by sacrifice of money your wealth

will not decrease and in fact your wealth increases by sacrifice.

Islam also mentions that by sacrifice of money your wealth becomes

most pure.

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

June 6, 2006

Oh I forgot !! Arjuna was given a bill for a billion nishkams

sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote: and since there can be only one "pari" and that place is already taken. U know where all your savings must go!! If only I were a "apri" (

"Krishnakumar M." <krishna_kumar_m > wrote: Namaste,

Vow! A most curious interpretation of Gita's concept of Karma Yoga. Gita as an attempt by Lord Krishna to make a quick buck!! Any clue how much money was paid by Arjuna? Srimad Bhagavatam says that Lord Krishna is a "poornavataram". But not "pari poorna ..."

pranams,

surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: , Devi Son <devi_son wrote:

> Dear Surya,

> I only believe in divine mother who never asked any monetary

offer from me. She is my mother not my guru (mother is more than

guru and sometimes she herself is guru), hence the issue 'Guru

Dakshina" does not arise.

> I have one guru who is very affectionate to me and I bend down,

touch his feet and salute him with complete respect. He is very

pleased with my respectful salutation and treat me a like a son with

complete love and honour. He never expected monetary offers from me

as "Guru Dakshina".

> Coming to issue of helping the needy people, I always do help

based on personal qualities of opposite person. I do help needy

ones taking the name of Goddess.

> I belive everyone in general is doing these basic things as

devotee. Where does question arise "Guru Dakshina" or giving excess

money to "Sadguru"?

> My understanding is 'Guru Dakshina" not necessarily always

means "money". The respect we offer to him or the good reference he

enjoy due to our success is also called as "Guru Dakshina".

> During my childhood I was told the real "Guru Dakshina" is

reaching heigher goals and not to feel insult / shy to refer name of

his guru who gave him this great knowledge. Someone rising to

international standards and bringing good name would always make

Guru enjoy the pride of being 'GURU' Such pride offer is real "Guru

Dakshina". We need more people who can offer such guru dakshina

with humility.

> Regards

> Upendra V

The scriptures say that your sacrifice of money to Lord in human

form (who is only Satguru like Krishna or Rama or Jesus) is highest

(even not for social service also).

1)In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya), Gita says that the

fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam

Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice

the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work

on the top most level. Gita says `Jnanat dhyanam visishyate, Dhyanat

Karma Phala Tyagah'i.e., Bhakti (devotion) is better than Jnana

(knowledge) and sacrificing the fruit of your work (money) is better

than Bakthi.

2)Gita says `Sarva karma Phala tyagam', `prahuh tyagam vichakshanah'

i.e., if you can give the fruit of the entire work to the Lord, then

that is real sacrifice.

3)`Na karmana, Na prajaya, Dhanena, tyage naike Amritatvam Aanasuh'

i.e., you cannot attain God by selfish work or the children. You

can attain God only by sacrificing your money for God's work. ï¿½ The

Veda

4)The first words of the first Upanishath (Easavaasyam) says, `Tena

tyaktena Bhunjeedah' `Ma gradha ha kasyasvit Dhanam' i.e., this

entire world is the money of the Lord. Take whatever you require

from His wealth; don't take extra which is not permitted by the

God. If you have taken, you are a thief. Return it back to the

Lord.

5)Veda says `Samvidha' `Shraddhayaa' `Hriya' `Bhiya dheyam', i.e.,

return the extra to the Lord in human form after recognizing Him

through His Jnana. Wait patiently till you recognize the Lord in

human form. When you are donating your money to Him (actually you

are giving Him His own money) you should give it with fear and feel

shy.

6)In Yoga Vasistha the Guru Vasista says to Rama (Dhanamarjaya)

i.e., bring money and offer it to me as Guru Dakshina before I can

teach you the Jnana.

Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this

important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma

Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. Mr. Patil, a

farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba and took back

whatever Baba gave back to him.

Matthewï¿½6 : 19 to 22

"Do not Lay up for yourselves, treasures on earth. But lay up for

yourselves treasures in heaven. For where your treasure is there

your heart will be also".

Matthew -7: 21

"Not everyone who say to Me, `Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of

heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven".

Holy Islam speaks about the sacrifice of fruit of work (money)

through the word `Jakaat'. This word says that every rich man is

expected to practice the sacrifice within the limit of his wealth.

Islam says that people are loving too much the money (Q'ran:

AalFajr ï¿½ 20). Islam says that by sacrifice of money your wealth

will not decrease and in fact your wealth increases by sacrifice.

Islam also mentions that by sacrifice of money your wealth becomes

most pure.

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

June 6, 2006

Lord Krishna is paripoorna tamavatara and Lord Rama was

Poornavatara. But anyway Lord is Lord. Hanuman worshipped Lord Rama

and became future creator.

Gopikas worshipped Lord Krishna and attained goloka, the highest

loka. This is created by Krishna specially for their devotion and

this is above even Brahma Loka.

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

"Krishnakumar M." <krishna_kumar_m wrote:

> Namaste,

> Vow! A most curious interpretation of Gita's concept of Karma

Yoga. Gita as an attempt by Lord Krishna to make a quick buck!!

Any clue how much money was paid by Arjuna? Srimad Bhagavatam says

that Lord Krishna is a "poornavataram". But not "pari poorna ..."

> pranams,

June 6, 2006

Stop with the preaching. It's condescending and shows mallaise of spirit, and extreme punditure of character.

-

surya

Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:25 PM

Re: Sacrifice Of Wealth Is The Way

Lord Krishna is paripoorna tamavatara and Lord Rama was

Poornavatara. But anyway Lord is Lord. Hanuman worshipped Lord Rama

and became future creator.

Gopikas worshipped Lord Krishna and attained goloka, the highest

loka. This is created by Krishna specially for their devotion and

this is above even Brahma Loka.

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

"Krishnakumar M." <krishna_kumar_m wrote:

> Namaste,

> Vow! A most curious interpretation of Gita's concept of Karma

Yoga. Gita as an attempt by Lord Krishna to make a quick buck!!

Any clue how much money was paid by Arjuna? Srimad Bhagavatam says

that Lord Krishna is a "poornavataram". But not "pari poorna ..."

> pranams,

June 6, 2006

********************

Dear Moderator,

Please Help.

SOS. SOS. SOS.

********************

I know sometime his emails have may be some points of knowledge, but I am

ready to give it up, if I have to through so much of c.r.a.p.

Thanks

Dp

*****

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: Hi Dp ... Okay ... ^^ Consider it done. I don't see any end of it in sight. There's no honest dialogue coming from this guy anyway ... :-( -- DB]

*****

--- On 6/6/06, Krishnakumar M. <krishna_kumar_m > wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Vow! A most curious interpretation of Gita's concept of Karma Yoga. Gita

> as an attempt by Lord Krishna to make a quick buck!! Any clue how much

> money was paid by Arjuna?

Tell me about it... I have known Gita since I was 4, as my first master had

put his hand on my head at that age. Since then I always felt that I knew

Gita.. (off course I know I know nothing) He used to preach the way of

Gita, that is the Sahaj Yoga. BTW I didnt gave any money in my Guru

Dakshina.. and that applies to my second master too.. As a matter of fact, I

dont think I have anything to give to my guru except for FAITH, even for

which he has been so patient, as I am an Idiot and have a huge learning

cycle.. What good is a Guru if he/she differentiaced Money from a Flower (or

for that matter anything)... A flower should be as good as a guru dakshina

as money can be..

But I am impressed as to how the facts has been mutated to show that money

is very imp, and most of all you should give money to some XXX as Guru

Dakshina.. I wonder what more people like Surya will do? Off course this

also means that the richer will be more close to god then the poor.. holy

cow I am screwed.. And George Bush and Bill Gates have already become

brahman.. And off course now I know why Buddha became Buddha, because he was

the son of a king.. dayum, all these years people have been trying to know ,

and who knew one day Surya will explain it..

However I am still admiring the fact that this Surya guys keeps going on and

on and on.. wow.. I mean if he could have that kind of determination in

searching for the brahamn, he would have been bhraman by now.. But may be

he is already one .. heck who am I go question it..

But sincerely guys is there a way to shut him up.. please.. I cant take this

any more...

***********

Srimad Bhagavatam says that Lord Krishna is a "poornavataram". But not

> "pari poorna ..."

>

> pranams,

>

> surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: --- In

> , Devi Son <devi_son wrote:

> > Dear Surya,

> > I only believe in divine mother who never asked any monetary

> offer from me. She is my mother not my guru (mother is more than

> guru and sometimes she herself is guru), hence the issue 'Guru

> Dakshina" does not arise.

> > I have one guru who is very affectionate to me and I bend down,

> touch his feet and salute him with complete respect. He is very

> pleased with my respectful salutation and treat me a like a son with

> complete love and honour. He never expected monetary offers from me

> as "Guru Dakshina".

> > Coming to issue of helping the needy people, I always do help

> based on personal qualities of opposite person. I do help needy

> ones taking the name of Goddess.

> > I belive everyone in general is doing these basic things as

> devotee. Where does question arise "Guru Dakshina" or giving excess

> money to "Sadguru"?

> > My understanding is 'Guru Dakshina" not necessarily always

> means "money". The respect we offer to him or the good reference he

> enjoy due to our success is also called as "Guru Dakshina".

> > During my childhood I was told the real "Guru Dakshina" is

> reaching heigher goals and not to feel insult / shy to refer name of

> his guru who gave him this great knowledge. Someone rising to

> international standards and bringing good name would always make

> Guru enjoy the pride of being 'GURU' Such pride offer is real "Guru

> Dakshina". We need more people who can offer such guru dakshina

> with humility.

> > Regards

> > Upendra V

>

> The scriptures say that your sacrifice of money to Lord in human

> form (who is only Satguru like Krishna or Rama or Jesus) is highest

> (even not for social service also).

>

> 1)In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya), Gita says that the

> fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam

> Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice

> the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work

> on the top most level. Gita says `Jnanat dhyanam visishyate, Dhyanat

> Karma Phala Tyagah'i.e., Bhakti (devotion) is better than Jnana

> (knowledge) and sacrificing the fruit of your work (money) is better

> than Bakthi.

>

> 2)Gita says `Sarva karma Phala tyagam', `prahuh tyagam vichakshanah'

> i.e., if you can give the fruit of the entire work to the Lord, then

> that is real sacrifice.

>

> 3)`Na karmana, Na prajaya, Dhanena, tyage naike Amritatvam Aanasuh'

> i.e., you cannot attain God by selfish work or the children. You

> can attain God only by sacrificing your money for God's work. Ã¯Â¿Â½ The

> Veda

>

> 4)The first words of the first Upanishath (Easavaasyam) says, `Tena

> tyaktena Bhunjeedah' `Ma gradha ha kasyasvit Dhanam' i.e., this

> entire world is the money of the Lord. Take whatever you require

> from His wealth; don't take extra which is not permitted by the

> God. If you have taken, you are a thief. Return it back to the

> Lord.

>

> 5)Veda says `Samvidha' `Shraddhayaa' `Hriya' `Bhiya dheyam', i.e.,

> return the extra to the Lord in human form after recognizing Him

> through His Jnana. Wait patiently till you recognize the Lord in

> human form. When you are donating your money to Him (actually you

> are giving Him His own money) you should give it with fear and feel

> shy.

>

> 6)In Yoga Vasistha the Guru Vasista says to Rama (Dhanamarjaya)

> i.e., bring money and offer it to me as Guru Dakshina before I can

> teach you the Jnana.

>

> Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this

> important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma

> Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. Mr. Patil, a

> farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba and took back

> whatever Baba gave back to him.

>

> MatthewÃ¯Â¿Â½6 : 19 to 22

> "Do not Lay up for yourselves, treasures on earth. But lay up for

> yourselves treasures in heaven. For where your treasure is there

> your heart will be also".

> Matthew -7: 21

> "Not everyone who say to Me, `Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of

> heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven".

>

> Holy Islam speaks about the sacrifice of fruit of work (money)

> through the word `Jakaat'. This word says that every rich man is

> expected to practice the sacrifice within the limit of his wealth.

> Islam says that people are loving too much the money (Q'ran:

> AalFajr Ã¯Â¿Â½ 20). Islam says that by sacrifice of money your wealth

> will not decrease and in fact your wealth increases by sacrifice.

> Islam also mentions that by sacrifice of money your wealth becomes

> most pure.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

June 7, 2006

His Guru is probably into money. I met him in NYC a long time ago.

Don't confuse him with this Surya.

Jai Maa!

Surya

---- Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh > wrote:

> ********************

> Dear Moderator,

> Please Help.

> SOS. SOS. SOS.

> ********************

>

> I know sometime his emails have may be some points of knowledge, but I am

> ready to give it up, if I have to through so much of c.r.a.p.

>

> Thanks

> Dp

>

> *****

>

> [MODERATOR'S NOTE: Hi Dp ... Okay ... ^^ Consider it done. I don't see any end of it in sight. There's no honest dialogue coming from this guy anyway ... :-( -- DB]

>

> *****

>

> --- On 6/6/06, Krishnakumar M. <krishna_kumar_m > wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Vow! A most curious interpretation of Gita's concept of Karma Yoga. Gita

> > as an attempt by Lord Krishna to make a quick buck!! Any clue how much

> > money was paid by Arjuna?

>

> Tell me about it... I have known Gita since I was 4, as my first master had

> put his hand on my head at that age. Since then I always felt that I knew

> Gita.. (off course I know I know nothing) He used to preach the way of

> Gita, that is the Sahaj Yoga. BTW I didnt gave any money in my Guru

> Dakshina.. and that applies to my second master too.. As a matter of fact, I

> dont think I have anything to give to my guru except for FAITH, even for

> which he has been so patient, as I am an Idiot and have a huge learning

> cycle.. What good is a Guru if he/she differentiaced Money from a Flower (or

> for that matter anything)... A flower should be as good as a guru dakshina

> as money can be..

>

> But I am impressed as to how the facts has been mutated to show that money

> is very imp, and most of all you should give money to some XXX as Guru

> Dakshina.. I wonder what more people like Surya will do? Off course this

> also means that the richer will be more close to god then the poor.. holy

> cow I am screwed.. And George Bush and Bill Gates have already become

> brahman.. And off course now I know why Buddha became Buddha, because he was

> the son of a king.. dayum, all these years people have been trying to know ,

> and who knew one day Surya will explain it..

>

> However I am still admiring the fact that this Surya guys keeps going on and

> on and on.. wow.. I mean if he could have that kind of determination in

> searching for the brahamn, he would have been bhraman by now.. But may be

> he is already one .. heck who am I go question it..

>

> But sincerely guys is there a way to shut him up.. please.. I cant take this

> any more...

>

> ***********

>

> Srimad Bhagavatam says that Lord Krishna is a "poornavataram". But not

> > "pari poorna ..."

> >

> > pranams,

> >

> > surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: --- In

> > , Devi Son <devi_son wrote:

> > > Dear Surya,

> > > I only believe in divine mother who never asked any monetary

> > offer from me. She is my mother not my guru (mother is more than

> > guru and sometimes she herself is guru), hence the issue 'Guru

> > Dakshina" does not arise.

> > > I have one guru who is very affectionate to me and I bend down,

> > touch his feet and salute him with complete respect. He is very

> > pleased with my respectful salutation and treat me a like a son with

> > complete love and honour. He never expected monetary offers from me

> > as "Guru Dakshina".

> > > Coming to issue of helping the needy people, I always do help

> > based on personal qualities of opposite person. I do help needy

> > ones taking the name of Goddess.

> > > I belive everyone in general is doing these basic things as

> > devotee. Where does question arise "Guru Dakshina" or giving excess

> > money to "Sadguru"?

> > > My understanding is 'Guru Dakshina" not necessarily always

> > means "money". The respect we offer to him or the good reference he

> > enjoy due to our success is also called as "Guru Dakshina".

> > > During my childhood I was told the real "Guru Dakshina" is

> > reaching heigher goals and not to feel insult / shy to refer name of

> > his guru who gave him this great knowledge. Someone rising to

> > international standards and bringing good name would always make

> > Guru enjoy the pride of being 'GURU' Such pride offer is real "Guru

> > Dakshina". We need more people who can offer such guru dakshina

> > with humility.

> > > Regards

> > > Upendra V

> >

> > The scriptures say that your sacrifice of money to Lord in human

> > form (who is only Satguru like Krishna or Rama or Jesus) is highest

> > (even not for social service also).

> >

> > 1)In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya), Gita says that the

> > fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam

> > Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice

> > the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work

> > on the top most level. Gita says `Jnanat dhyanam visishyate, Dhyanat

> > Karma Phala Tyagah'i.e., Bhakti (devotion) is better than Jnana

> > (knowledge) and sacrificing the fruit of your work (money) is better

> > than Bakthi.

> >

> > 2)Gita says `Sarva karma Phala tyagam', `prahuh tyagam vichakshanah'

> > i.e., if you can give the fruit of the entire work to the Lord, then

> > that is real sacrifice.

> >

> > 3)`Na karmana, Na prajaya, Dhanena, tyage naike Amritatvam Aanasuh'

> > i.e., you cannot attain God by selfish work or the children. You

> > can attain God only by sacrificing your money for God's work. Ã¯Â¿Â½ The

> > Veda

> >

> > 4)The first words of the first Upanishath (Easavaasyam) says, `Tena

> > tyaktena Bhunjeedah' `Ma gradha ha kasyasvit Dhanam' i.e., this

> > entire world is the money of the Lord. Take whatever you require

> > from His wealth; don't take extra which is not permitted by the

> > God. If you have taken, you are a thief. Return it back to the

> > Lord.

> >

> > 5)Veda says `Samvidha' `Shraddhayaa' `Hriya' `Bhiya dheyam', i.e.,

> > return the extra to the Lord in human form after recognizing Him

> > through His Jnana. Wait patiently till you recognize the Lord in

> > human form. When you are donating your money to Him (actually you

> > are giving Him His own money) you should give it with fear and feel

> > shy.

> >

> > 6)In Yoga Vasistha the Guru Vasista says to Rama (Dhanamarjaya)

> > i.e., bring money and offer it to me as Guru Dakshina before I can

> > teach you the Jnana.

> >

> > Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this

> > important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma

> > Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. Mr. Patil, a

> > farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba and took back

> > whatever Baba gave back to him.

> >

> > MatthewÃ¯Â¿Â½6 : 19 to 22

> > "Do not Lay up for yourselves, treasures on earth. But lay up for

> > yourselves treasures in heaven. For where your treasure is there

> > your heart will be also".

> > Matthew -7: 21

> > "Not everyone who say to Me, `Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of

> > heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven".

> >

> > Holy Islam speaks about the sacrifice of fruit of work (money)

> > through the word `Jakaat'. This word says that every rich man is

> > expected to practice the sacrifice within the limit of his wealth.

> > Islam says that people are loving too much the money (Q'ran:

> > AalFajr Ã¯Â¿Â½ 20). Islam says that by sacrifice of money your wealth

> > will not decrease and in fact your wealth increases by sacrifice.

> > Islam also mentions that by sacrifice of money your wealth becomes

> > most pure.

> >

> > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > surya

> > www.universal-spirituality.org

>

June 7, 2006

Is there any scriptural authority for the epithets on Lord Krishna and Rama or are they self bestowed?

Also, there is no evidence of such a loka called "Goloka" in Srimad Bhagavatam, Vishnu Puranam and Gita. What is the basis for such a claim?

Hari Om,

surya <dattapr2000 > wrote:

Lord Krishna is paripoorna tamavatara and Lord Rama was

Poornavatara. But anyway Lord is Lord. Hanuman worshipped Lord Rama

and became future creator.

Gopikas worshipped Lord Krishna and attained goloka, the highest

loka. This is created by Krishna specially for their devotion and

this is above even Brahma Loka.

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

"Krishnakumar M." <krishna_kumar_m wrote:

> Namaste,

> Vow! A most curious interpretation of Gita's concept of Karma

Yoga. Gita as an attempt by Lord Krishna to make a quick buck!!

Any clue how much money was paid by Arjuna? Srimad Bhagavatam says

that Lord Krishna is a "poornavataram". But not "pari poorna ..."

> pranams,

June 7, 2006

whom did u meet? This Datta swami?

mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net wrote: His Guru is probably into money. I met him in NYC a long time ago.