Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2006 Indians, particularly, are sacrificing words through prayers and feelings through expression of love for the sake of God. When the question of wealth or money comes they sacrifice it for the sake of their families only. This is the reason why India suffers with poverty. Swami Vivekananda wept loudly facing the sky asking; "Why India with such high spiritual knowledge is suffering with poverty?" The foreigners are not so well in prayers and expression of love or meditation compared to Indians but they sacrifice their money for the sake of God with full vigor. Therefore God blesses the foreign countries with wealth and prosperity. Indians sacrifice words and mind only to God. Therefore Indians are blessed with very good pronunciation of language and excellent knowledge, which are connected to the words and mind. Gita says `Ye Yatha Mam Prapadyante' which means that God gives you result in the same way in which you worship Him. If you worship Him with words (prayers) only He will also appreciate you with sweet words. If you love Him with your mind and concentrate with meditation, He will also love you in turn with high concentration of mind. If you sacrifice practically, He will also do everything to you practically. Indians must learn this practical sacrifice from foreigners as they have learnt the science and technology from the West. Even in the olden days, Indians were always doing exercises in theoretical knowledge of God and in composing lot of poems on God. Therefore the same attitude entered even their education of science. They have become theorists even in science. The foreigners were less theoretical and more practical in spiritual things and therefore that attitude entered their scientific education also and the foreigners have become the real practical scientists. Let Indians not be proud that they are the masters in the spiritualism if not in science. Though I am born in India, I deny this. The Indians should follow the foreigners not only in science but also in spiritualism by learning the practical aspect of the materialistic as well as divine knowledge. Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the money only. Money is the fruit of work and Bhagavatgita calls sacrifice of money "Karma Phala Tyaga". In Bhagavatgita it is said "Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah" which means that devotion is greater than Knowledge and sacrifice of the fruit of the work (money) is greater than the devotion. Knowledge consists of intelligence and words. Devotion consists of mind and words. Sacrifice consists of heart and love. The proof of the love is the practical service, which is the practical sacrifice of work or money. For the propagation of the divine knowledge and devotion the money is needed to publish the gospel in the form of books. When you sacrifice your money for the divine work your treasure in the heaven is built up. This means that God will help you after your death and you will enter the kingdom of God. You are giving your earnings to your family only and so your real love is on your family only. There is no need of any further argument on this point because it is very clear proof. This is the real fire test for your love. You are sacrificing valueless words and valueless mind in leisure, which is valueless time. This cannot prove the real value of God. You must give real value to God. You are finishing your prayers and meditation on God as soon as the time to go to job is nearing. Similarly when some work for the family is approaching, you are immediately leaving the presence of God. Therefore you are not giving any value to God for all practical purpose. But you are telling lies in your prayers that God is everything for you. The money is the final test and it can be the only test also since all the family is associated with you for money only and the family serves you in your old age for your money only. If the money is sacrificed to God your real color of love can be seen. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2006 Interesting ideas and thoughts. I don't know if I agree with all of them, but they are interesting. Pranams, Surya - surya Friday, June 02, 2006 7:50 AM Sacrifice Of Wealth Is The Way Indians, particularly, are sacrificing words through prayers and feelings through expression of love for the sake of God. When the question of wealth or money comes they sacrifice it for the sake of their families only. This is the reason why India suffers with poverty. Swami Vivekananda wept loudly facing the sky asking; "Why India with such high spiritual knowledge is suffering with poverty?" The foreigners are not so well in prayers and expression of love or meditation compared to Indians but they sacrifice their money for the sake of God with full vigor. Therefore God blesses the foreign countries with wealth and prosperity. Indians sacrifice words and mind only to God. Therefore Indians are blessed with very good pronunciation of language and excellent knowledge, which are connected to the words and mind. Gita says `Ye Yatha Mam Prapadyante' which means that God gives you result in the same way in which you worship Him. If you worship Him with words (prayers) only He will also appreciate you with sweet words. If you love Him with your mind and concentrate with meditation, He will also love you in turn with high concentration of mind. If you sacrifice practically, He will also do everything to you practically. Indians must learn this practical sacrifice from foreigners as they have learnt the science and technology from the West. Even in the olden days, Indians were always doing exercises in theoretical knowledge of God and in composing lot of poems on God. Therefore the same attitude entered even their education of science. They have become theorists even in science. The foreigners were less theoretical and more practical in spiritual things and therefore that attitude entered their scientific education also and the foreigners have become the real practical scientists. Let Indians not be proud that they are the masters in the spiritualism if not in science. Though I am born in India, I deny this. The Indians should follow the foreigners not only in science but also in spiritualism by learning the practical aspect of the materialistic as well as divine knowledge. Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the money only. Money is the fruit of work and Bhagavatgita calls sacrifice of money "Karma Phala Tyaga". In Bhagavatgita it is said "Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah" which means that devotion is greater than Knowledge and sacrifice of the fruit of the work (money) is greater than the devotion. Knowledge consists of intelligence and words. Devotion consists of mind and words. Sacrifice consists of heart and love. The proof of the love is the practical service, which is the practical sacrifice of work or money. For the propagation of the divine knowledge and devotion the money is needed to publish the gospel in the form of books. When you sacrifice your money for the divine work your treasure in the heaven is built up. This means that God will help you after your death and you will enter the kingdom of God. You are giving your earnings to your family only and so your real love is on your family only. There is no need of any further argument on this point because it is very clear proof. This is the real fire test for your love. You are sacrificing valueless words and valueless mind in leisure, which is valueless time. This cannot prove the real value of God. You must give real value to God. You are finishing your prayers and meditation on God as soon as the time to go to job is nearing. Similarly when some work for the family is approaching, you are immediately leaving the presence of God. Therefore you are not giving any value to God for all practical purpose. But you are telling lies in your prayers that God is everything for you. The money is the final test and it can be the only test also since all the family is associated with you for money only and the family serves you in your old age for your money only. If the money is sacrificed to God your real color of love can be seen. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2006 surya, You know now that I have read all of this more carefully, I must modify what I said. You are pretty cynical. I only think your first 2 paragraphs have something interesting and worth contemplating. I definitely DON'T agree with: 1. Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the money only. and 2. since all the family is associated with you for money only and the family serves you in your old age for your money only. That is complete BS. I am sorry if this is your experience. Jai Maa! Surya - surya Friday, June 02, 2006 7:50 AM Sacrifice Of Wealth Is The Way Indians, particularly, are sacrificing words through prayers and feelings through expression of love for the sake of God. When the question of wealth or money comes they sacrifice it for the sake of their families only. This is the reason why India suffers with poverty. Swami Vivekananda wept loudly facing the sky asking; "Why India with such high spiritual knowledge is suffering with poverty?" The foreigners are not so well in prayers and expression of love or meditation compared to Indians but they sacrifice their money for the sake of God with full vigor. Therefore God blesses the foreign countries with wealth and prosperity. Indians sacrifice words and mind only to God. Therefore Indians are blessed with very good pronunciation of language and excellent knowledge, which are connected to the words and mind. Gita says `Ye Yatha Mam Prapadyante' which means that God gives you result in the same way in which you worship Him. If you worship Him with words (prayers) only He will also appreciate you with sweet words. If you love Him with your mind and concentrate with meditation, He will also love you in turn with high concentration of mind. If you sacrifice practically, He will also do everything to you practically. Indians must learn this practical sacrifice from foreigners as they have learnt the science and technology from the West. Even in the olden days, Indians were always doing exercises in theoretical knowledge of God and in composing lot of poems on God. Therefore the same attitude entered even their education of science. They have become theorists even in science. The foreigners were less theoretical and more practical in spiritual things and therefore that attitude entered their scientific education also and the foreigners have become the real practical scientists. Let Indians not be proud that they are the masters in the spiritualism if not in science. Though I am born in India, I deny this. The Indians should follow the foreigners not only in science but also in spiritualism by learning the practical aspect of the materialistic as well as divine knowledge. Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the money only. Money is the fruit of work and Bhagavatgita calls sacrifice of money "Karma Phala Tyaga". In Bhagavatgita it is said "Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah" which means that devotion is greater than Knowledge and sacrifice of the fruit of the work (money) is greater than the devotion. Knowledge consists of intelligence and words. Devotion consists of mind and words. Sacrifice consists of heart and love. The proof of the love is the practical service, which is the practical sacrifice of work or money. For the propagation of the divine knowledge and devotion the money is needed to publish the gospel in the form of books. When you sacrifice your money for the divine work your treasure in the heaven is built up. This means that God will help you after your death and you will enter the kingdom of God. You are giving your earnings to your family only and so your real love is on your family only. There is no need of any further argument on this point because it is very clear proof. This is the real fire test for your love. You are sacrificing valueless words and valueless mind in leisure, which is valueless time. This cannot prove the real value of God. You must give real value to God. You are finishing your prayers and meditation on God as soon as the time to go to job is nearing. Similarly when some work for the family is approaching, you are immediately leaving the presence of God. Therefore you are not giving any value to God for all practical purpose. But you are telling lies in your prayers that God is everything for you. The money is the final test and it can be the only test also since all the family is associated with you for money only and the family serves you in your old age for your money only. If the money is sacrificed to God your real color of love can be seen. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2006 "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > You know now that I have read all of this more carefully, I must modify what I said. You are pretty cynical. I only think your first 2 paragraphs have something interesting and worth contemplating. I definitely DON'T agree with: > > 1. Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the money only. > and > 2. since all the family is associated with you for money > only and the family serves you in your old age for your money only. > That is complete BS. I am sorry if this is your experience. > Jai Maa! Sage Vasista told Lord Rama to bring money first as Gurudakshina (pious offering to the preacher) before preaching the divine knowledge (`Dhana marjaya…'). The preacher tested Rama's Love to God in the light of the sacrifice of money. In Vishnu Purana Lord Vishnu says `Tasya vittam Haramyaham' which means that he who sacrifices money for the sake of God, is really blessed. This looks quite odd for us to wonder whether even God wants money! No. God does not want money because this entire world is His wealth only as per Veda (Kasyasvit Dhanam…). You have taken the money from His treasure for your needs and God permits this. But you have taken extra money also and you are storing it, which is not permitted by God. You have to return back that extra to the Lord when He comes in human form for His divine work. Remember that you are returning His own money, which was stolen by you since He did not permit you to take the extra money. When you have gone to a friend's house he gave you a cup of milk. He permitted only the milk to be taken by you but not the cup. You have stolen the cup also as the extra, which was not expected by your friend. You have to return back that stolen cup to your friend secretly. Holy Jesus says that when you donate the money to God by one hand the other hand should not know about that donation. Since it is stolen money it should be returned secretly. A father purchased some sweets and gave to his child. The father is asking for one sweet from the child just to test the attitude and the love of the child on him. Even if you are not returning back the God's money to God, you are leaving that money here only and you are quitting this world with vacant hands. That extra money is left in this world only, which is the bank of the God. The devotee who donates the extra money to God for His divine work is also quitting this world alone with vacant hands. The former is going to Hell as a thief but the latter is going to the Kingdom of God because he returned the stolen money of God. When you are returning this extra money, you must be very careful to see that this money reaches God only and not others. God dwells in two places 1) In the body of human incarnation (Son of God) 2) In the heart of a real devotee. When the money is donated to such God man or the real devotee, that money is properly used to uplift the humanity. In such social service the God-man or the real devotee will use lot of discrimination due to their divine knowledge and the money donated by you will be properly spent. Without the practical sacrifice of money or atleast the work, mere prayers, love and meditation are only the side pickles in the plate without the central bread or rice. When God eats the pickles only which you serve, His stomach is burnt with high acidity and God becomes furious. Due to His anger the extra money stored by you goes waste through diseases etc., Your children may loose that money also and they are also not blessed in any way in their lives. This gospel of Holy Jesus should open the eye of knowledge of all the Hindus to learn the practical sacrifice from foreigners. Holy Jesus referred to such people who do not give up their extra money for God's work saying that they can never reach God even if a camel passes through the eye of a needle. His Gospel refers to such selfish rich people only who are caught up in the net of their limited families. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2006 Had you posted the below article 30yrs back, you stand a chance of getting some positve response. This article makes little sense in present climate - when middle class is growing- who pay tax without expecting anyting in return. What action prompted you to say that we care little for society. If money is the ulitmate power and motive in life- whereby god can also be realised - then why are you tuning into spiritual sites - your focus ought tobe on share market. You can make huge contribution on behalf of all Indians. Adi Shankaracharya did not spread the gospel of Divinity with power of his money - please go through histroy before commenting. It is better to leave higher knowledge in the hands of few. Let us not superficially boost ourselves as master of knowledge or command over language. This statement makes little sense. Finally, India does not lack technical expertise. On the whole, the below article exposes lack of deapth in understanding any society and has little substance to offer.raji. > > Indians, particularly, are sacrificing words through prayers and > feelings through expression of love for the sake of God. When the > question of wealth or money comes they sacrifice it for the sake of > their families only. This is the reason why India suffers with > poverty. Swami Vivekananda wept loudly facing the sky asking; "Why > India with such high spiritual knowledge is suffering with poverty?" > The foreigners are not so well in prayers and expression of love or > meditation compared to Indians but they sacrifice their money for > the sake of God with full vigor. Therefore God blesses the foreign > countries with wealth and prosperity. > > Indians sacrifice words and mind only to God. Therefore Indians are > blessed with very good pronunciation of language and excellent > knowledge, which are connected to the words and mind. Gita says `Ye > Yatha Mam Prapadyante' which means that God gives you result in the > same way in which you worship Him. If you worship Him with words > (prayers) only He will also appreciate you with sweet words. If you > love Him with your mind and concentrate with meditation, He will > also love you in turn with high concentration of mind. If you > sacrifice practically, He will also do everything to you > practically. Indians must learn this practical sacrifice from > foreigners as they have learnt the science and technology from the > West. Even in the olden days, Indians were always doing exercises in > theoretical knowledge of God and in composing lot of poems on God. > Therefore the same attitude entered even their education of science. > They have become theorists even in science. > > The foreigners were less theoretical and more practical in spiritual > things and therefore that attitude entered their scientific > education also and the foreigners have become the real practical > scientists. Let Indians not be proud that they are the masters in > the spiritualism if not in science. Though I am born in India, I > deny this. The Indians should follow the foreigners not only in > science but also in spiritualism by learning the practical aspect of > the materialistic as well as divine knowledge. > > Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the > money only. Money is the fruit of work and Bhagavatgita calls > sacrifice of money "Karma Phala Tyaga". In Bhagavatgita it is > said "Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah" which means that devotion is > greater than Knowledge and sacrifice of the fruit of the work > (money) is greater than the devotion. Knowledge consists of > intelligence and words. Devotion consists of mind and words. > Sacrifice consists of heart and love. The proof of the love is the > practical service, which is the practical sacrifice of work or > money. For the propagation of the divine knowledge and devotion the > money is needed to publish the gospel in the form of books. When you > sacrifice your money for the divine work your treasure in the heaven > is built up. This means that God will help you after your death and > you will enter the kingdom of God. > > You are giving your earnings to your family only and so your real > love is on your family only. There is no need of any further > argument on this point because it is very clear proof. This is the > real fire test for your love. You are sacrificing valueless words > and valueless mind in leisure, which is valueless time. This cannot > prove the real value of God. You must give real value to God. You > are finishing your prayers and meditation on God as soon as the time > to go to job is nearing. Similarly when some work for the family is > approaching, you are immediately leaving the presence of God. > Therefore you are not giving any value to God for all practical > purpose. But you are telling lies in your prayers that God is > everything for you. The money is the final test and it can be the > only test also since all the family is associated with you for money > only and the family serves you in your old age for your money only. > If the money is sacrificed to God your real color of love can be > seen. > > posted by: His servant > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2006 Extra money stored, goes to waste through disease etc!! Hmmmm, may be the concept of modern banking fails here. I believe no one stores monies in matresses and pillows anymore, especially the ones who earn their living by working - which I believe is the majority of the people on this Group and in the World. Monies deposited in a bank accounts are used for investment/ciruclation in the society - like loans to the needy - so it is God's work to help the needy. According to the Christian church, only a 10% of one's earnings are to be given to the church (thithe). Rest is for the well being of the family of the Christian. Lesser known fact is that if a member of the church is in need, that person can put in their due of thithe and take 30% of their earnings. Generally it is not advertised/practiced - for the churches might lose even the collection box. :-) Since Shakthas (majority in this group) are adwaithas, meaning SHE is in each of the devotees, may be we should keep our own monies!! Or even better, since Nora uses a nick of "Godess-is-in-me," may be we should send all our money to her!!! Love and prayers are mere pickles.....interesting notion - but does not hold water with Shakthas. There are quite a few forms of HER who might enjoy just the pickles!!! :-) Any how, if you are really serious about donating YOUR money, then visit any cancer ward in a hospital. There must be several people who are poor and can't afford the chemo/radiation therapies. Or go visit any public hospitals, visit the mortuary, there must be helpless families crying because the breadwinner died suddenly and are out of money even to perform the last rites. Take a few thousand rupees/dollars or whichever currency you want and help them through their periods of hardship. In above cases, there is no need to look for a Son-of-God or a true devotee. People in those situations will really, really appreciate any help. May be their pickles have been answered? , "surya" <dattapr2000 wrote: > Sage Vasista told Lord Rama to bring money first as Gurudakshina > (pious offering to the preacher) before preaching the divine > knowledge (`Dhana marjaya…'). The preacher tested Rama's Love to God > in the light of the sacrifice of money. In Vishnu Purana Lord Vishnu > says `Tasya vittam Haramyaham' which means that he who sacrifices > money for the sake of God, is really blessed. This looks quite odd > for us to wonder whether even God wants money! No. God does not want > money because this entire world is His wealth only as per Veda > (Kasyasvit Dhanam…). You have taken the money from His treasure for > your needs and God permits this. But you have taken extra money also > and you are storing it, which is not permitted by God. You have to > return back that extra to the Lord when He comes in human form for > His divine work. Remember that you are returning His own money, > which was stolen by you since He did not permit you to take the > extra money. When you have gone to a friend's house he gave you a > cup of milk. He permitted only the milk to be taken by you but not > the cup. You have stolen the cup also as the extra, which was not > expected by your friend. You have to return back that stolen cup to > your friend secretly. > > Holy Jesus says that when you donate the money to God by one hand > the other hand should not know about that donation. Since it is > stolen money it should be returned secretly. A father purchased some > sweets and gave to his child. The father is asking for one sweet > from the child just to test the attitude and the love of the child > on him. Even if you are not returning back the God's money to God, > you are leaving that money here only and you are quitting this world > with vacant hands. That extra money is left in this world only, > which is the bank of the God. The devotee who donates the extra > money to God for His divine work is also quitting this world alone > with vacant hands. The former is going to Hell as a thief but the > latter is going to the Kingdom of God because he returned the stolen > money of God. When you are returning this extra money, you must be > very careful to see that this money reaches God only and not others. > God dwells in two places 1) In the body of human incarnation (Son of > God) 2) In the heart of a real devotee. When the money is donated to > such God man or the real devotee, that money is properly used to > uplift the humanity. In such social service the God-man or the real > devotee will use lot of discrimination due to their divine knowledge > and the money donated by you will be properly spent. > > Without the practical sacrifice of money or atleast the work, mere > prayers, love and meditation are only the side pickles in the plate > without the central bread or rice. When God eats the pickles only > which you serve, His stomach is burnt with high acidity and God > becomes furious. Due to His anger the extra money stored by you goes > waste through diseases etc., Your children may loose that money also > and they are also not blessed in any way in their lives. This gospel > of Holy Jesus should open the eye of knowledge of all the Hindus to > learn the practical sacrifice from foreigners. Holy Jesus referred > to such people who do not give up their extra money for God's work > saying that they can never reach God even if a camel passes through > the eye of a needle. His Gospel refers to such selfish rich people > only who are caught up in the net of their limited families. > > posted by: His servant > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > www.universal-spirituality.org > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2006 "rajeshwari iyer" <rajii31 wrote: > Had you posted the below article 30yrs back, you stand a chance of getting some positve response. This article makes little sense in present climate - when middle class is growing- who pay tax without expecting anyting in return. What action prompted you to say that we care little for society. > If money is the ulitmate power and motive in life- whereby god can also be realised - then why are you tuning into spiritual sites - your focus ought tobe on share market. You can make huge contribution on behalf of all Indians. > Let us not superficially boost ourselves as master of knowledge or command over language. This statement makes little sense. Finally, India does not lack technical expertise. On the whole, the below article exposes lack of deapth in understanding any society and has little substance to offer.raji. -------------------- Why does India suffer with poverty? Swami Vivekananda cried loudly facing the sky, "Why India, with such rich spiritual knowledge, is suffering with poverty". Only Lord Datta can give the answer to this question. Today, the answer is given. Any country means its people and their mentality. Mind decides everything and action follows accordingly. If the mentality is analyzed, the action and its fruit become clear. Almost all the foreign countries are blessed with wealth except India. So, the mentality of all the people in this universe is different from the mentality of Indians. This difference in the mentalities is responsible for the difference in the attitude towards God to bless all the countries in the world except India. Let us compare the rituals, which are considered as worship of God. In every ritual, the essence is to praise the Lord and develop devotion. This brings universal equality in the rituals. Otherwise, if you say that God is worshipped by such and such hymns only, God becomes prejudiced since that hymn is restricted only to that part of the country. When the Lord is pleased, He will bless the person performing the ritual. In India, does anyone know that a ritual means worship of God? Let us take the marriage ceremony as an example. Indians think that once the ceremony is performed, the couple is bonded. For such a bond, a registrar's office will do. Then what is the use of the ritual performed for so many hours? The hymns are uttered in Sanskrit and neither the priest nor the couple, know the meaning of the hymn. The priest does not explain the meaning of the hymns. The meanings have inner meanings, which end in praising the Lord only. It is the foremost duty of the priest to explain the inner meaning of the hymns to the people and make them devotees of the Lord. This is the main aim of the ritual. By the time the marriage ends, the couple should become devotees of the Lord. The devotion not only bonds the couple but also brings the blessings of the Lord to them. For a mere marriage, a registrar's office will do, which can substitute this ritual. Actually, people are thinking in this way and the youngsters are following them. In other countries, prayers are sung in their mother tongue. Atleast the people are catching the meaning of the prayers in this case. But, there also, the priest should explain the inner meaning that can alone bring the divine knowledge and devotion in the people. But, the situation in India is worse since the meaning is not known. A priest should be a scholar in Sanskrit and simple recitation is of no use. `Sastras' say that there is no use of mere recitation of Vedic hymns ("Ananthajnah…"). People have started using a tape recorder for the chanting of hymns. The reason is that people think that a ritual is a mere recitation of hymns. Gita says that knowledge is more important than the action of the ritual ("Sreyan…."). The aim of the priest is to make the people devotees of the Lord. This main aim is completely lost. This aim is the aim of the work of the Lord in a human incarnation. So, the priests are the real helpers of the Lord in His work. When this aim is lost, the life of the rituals is lost. The aim of the ritual today for a priest is to get some money for the labour of recitation and for the people, the aim is to finish the formality. For a ritual, several people are invited, so that they also become devotees by that ritual. But now, people are attending the function as a formality only to bless the couple. Can a human being bless another human being? The people should become devotees and get the blessings of the Lord by attending a ritual, if the ritual is done in the right sense. If the priest performs the ritual in the right sense, the Lord will bless him and the people and also the country with the immense wealth. The rituals are the paths of divine knowledge and devotion and not mere formalities or paths of earning some petty money. Today, Lord Datta is advising all the Indians to rectify this mistake and please the Lord so that He will bless India with wealth. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2006 "ganpra" <ganpra wrote: > Extra money stored, goes to waste through disease etc!! > Hmmmm, may be the concept of modern banking fails here. I believe no one stores monies in matresses and pillows anymore,especially ... > Since Shakthas (majority in this group) are adwaithas, meaning SHE > is in each of the devotees, may be we should keep our own monies!! > Or even better, since Nora uses a nick of "Godess-is-in-me," may be we should send all our money to her!!! > > Love and prayers are mere pickles.....interesting notion - but does not hold water with Shakthas. There are quite a few forms of HER who might enjoy just the pickles!!! :-) > Any how, if you are really serious about donating YOUR money, then > visit any cancer ward in a hospital. There must be several people ----------------- If you say that Lord is within you and by this, if you conclude that you are the Lord, then there is no requirement of any spiritual effort to please the Lord separately. You eat and do whatever pleases you and say that Lord is pleased with you. Now if any trouble comes, we should not ask any help from any external Lord and enjoy the trouble saying that Lord is enjoying the trouble. But invariably we pray to the external Lord. Infact, if your logic is true, why so many people are worshipping Krishna, Jesus etc. as Lord external to them? Are they fools? Actually Lord comes in human form in every generation. We do not accept Him because of our jealousy and egoism. When we worship such lord in human form only, it is true worship. If you offer food, idol is not eating and finally you are only eating the entire food. But if you offer it to Lord in human form, He will eat it. So our real colour comes out. Divine knowledge itself means the knowledge required to identify the Lord in human form, then attain Him by your devotion and then please Him with your service. Service consists of sacrifice of money and physical service. But, if you please yourself and say that you pleased the Lord, it is totally wrong concept. Human beings try to develop some clever means of pleasing Lord in imagination without really doing anything in practical. But Lord is even more intelligent and will answer at that level only even if we cry, roll for such worships. There is no truth in such worship. A hunter called Kannappa sacrificed his eyes to the Lord, which are the best parts of the body and is the best `Gurudakshina'. Veda says that you can earn the minimum which is required by yourself and your family which is permitted by the Lord and not extra. If you have taken extra, return it to the Lord. For example, when you have gone to your friend's house, you are offered a cup of milk. You can drink the milk but not take away the cup. Veda says that if you have taken extra, you are a thief and it is a sin. If you return the extra, you will be excused by the Lord. Otherwise, that sinful extra money will lead you to all problems. Some devotees offer even from their minimum or sometimes even their entire minimum. Patil, a devotee of Shirdi Saibaba used to offer his entire annual crop to Baba and took back whatever was given by Baba. When a rich man came for the spiritual knowledge, Baba said, "You could not give Rs 5/- required by me. How can you know God?'' Baba used to ask Gurudakshina from everybody only to teach this most essential aspect of `karma phala tyaga'. The Lord does not need your money because the entire money is left here only in this world and you go alone with your sin. So, all His money is in His bank only i.e., this world. You are in His bank. You took extra from His bank and while dying, left those extras in His bank only. You have not taken the extra with you except the sin committed by you by taking that extra and atleast by not returning it to Him with your own hands. Sabari offered even her meal i.e., fruits to Lord Rama. This represents good money. The hunter (Kannappa) offered raw flesh to Lord Siva, which represents sinful money as it was earned by hunting. Both reached the same Lord because Rama (Vishnu) is Siva. Veda says, "Siva is Vishnu (Sivascha.....)". The intensity of love is same in both the devotees. So, if you offer Gurudakshina with full love to the lord, he will not find fault with your sins. Kannappa was given salvation irrespective of his sinful hunting since he did not enjoy that flesh but offered it to the Lord. But if one enjoys, he gets the sin. You must return the stolen cup to its owner, in which he has given milk required by you. Similarly, you must return the extra money stolen by you to the Lord. This is Gurudakshina. So the attitude here must be apology and fear, but not pride. Veda says, "Bhiya deyam" which means, give to the Lord with fear. Veda says, "Samvida deyam" which means that you should recognize the Lord by His knowledge. Veda also says, "Sraddhaya deyam" which means that you should have patience to search the deserving person i.e., the Lord, for your Gurudakshina. The point here is that you should return the cup to the actual owner and not to some other person. Similarly, you should give Gurudakshina to the Sadguru only because He is the Lord and the actual owner of this entire wealth. People are hasty in doing charity. Store the money with patience day by day and once you recognize the Sadguru, offer the entire stored money to Him as Gurudakshina. That day is real Guru Purnima. Everyday the moon is growing indicating your money, which is being stored with patience. Place, time and deserving person are the three main parts of charity. The last part is the most important. You are giving Gurudakshina to some person at a particular place like Varanasi and on a particular day like full moon day. You are giving unnecessary importance to place and time. But, you are not analyzing that person with your knowledge to know whether he is the Lord or not. Whatever maybe the place and whatever maybe the day, if you are giving all your stored money as Gurudakshina to the actual Guru Datta, that place is Varanasi and that day is Gurupurnima. But, if Datta is not available as an incarnation (Sadguru), the next best alternative is a poor devotee of Datta, because the Lord dwells not only in the incarnation but also in devotees. Sage Narada said this in his `Bhakti sutra' "Tanmayahite...'' But in the body of a devotee, both Lord and the soul of the devotee co-exist. Lord advises the soul and that soul has to preach or do the service. In such cases, errors occur. For example, you have donated money to a spiritual trust containing devotees. They simply provide food to 100 pilgrims on a Sivaratri day at Varanasi, which is a total waste. All the pilgrims are capable of earning their food and are not in need of food. In this context, Sadguru feeds one deserving poor devotee for 100 days with your donation. Your money is fully utilized and you get its full fruit. In the case of Sadguru i.e., the incarnation, only Lord lives in the body. So He directly preaches and He does the service without any error. Shirdi Saibaba used to give the Guru Dakshina given to Him to several poor devotees and He knew what, when and to whom it should be given. He knew all the past deeds of each soul. He can never be deceived. But, beggars deceive you by many tricks. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2006 , "surya" <dattapr2000 wrote: > ----------------- > If you say that Lord is within you and by this, if you conclude that > you are the Lord, then there is no requirement of any spiritual > effort to please the Lord separately. You eat and do whatever > pleases you and say that Lord is pleased with you. Now if any > trouble comes, we should not ask any help from any external Lord and > enjoy the trouble saying that Lord is enjoying the trouble. You are getting close!!! :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2006 "ganpra" <ganpra wrote: "surya" <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > If you say that Lord is within you and by this, if you conclude that you are the Lord, then there is no requirement of any spiritual > > effort to please the Lord separately. You eat and do whatever > > pleases you and say that Lord is pleased with you. Now if any > > trouble comes, we should not ask any help from any external Lord and enjoy the trouble saying that Lord is enjoying the trouble. > > You are getting close!!! :-) self-praise is considered as suicidal as per Shastras. Why shastras say 'Athidhi devo bhava?' why do we give food to the guest first and then we eat? We can as well eat first and do not care for the guest. When we cannot differentiate between Justice & injustice, we cannot understand Lord at all who is above justice and injustice. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2006 "This gospel of Holy Jesus should open the eye of knowledge of all the Hindus to learn the practical sacrifice from foreigners. " really? which Gospel are u talking about please? The once created on the orders of Holy Roam Emperor; or is it the gospels that were ordered to be burnt on his orders but survived as Nag Hammadi Library? As far as I know the alleged "gospels" were written by many people 100s of years after the alleged death of Jesus. And pray, how many of the foreigners you are referring to follow the alleged teachings of Jesus? Do you have names? You can e-mail me the names and addresses privately. Or is it Rat Singer you are referring to? Or is it "Mother" Teresa who collected stolen money and wanted the thief forgiven and did not reply to the Prosecutor when he asked the money back and who was having millions and never spent a cent to alleviate the agony of the dying by saying "The pain is the kiss of Jesus" Of course she was not willing to suffer the pain and had daily import of medicines and died in a room with all modern gizmos to ease suffering? surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > You know now that I have read all of this more carefully, I must modify what I said. You are pretty cynical. I only think your first 2 paragraphs have something interesting and worth contemplating. I definitely DON'T agree with: > > 1. Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the money only. > and > 2. since all the family is associated with you for money > only and the family serves you in your old age for your money only. > That is complete BS. I am sorry if this is your experience. > Jai Maa! Sage Vasista told Lord Rama to bring money first as Gurudakshina (pious offering to the preacher) before preaching the divine knowledge (`Dhana marjaya…'). The preacher tested Rama's Love to God in the light of the sacrifice of money. In Vishnu Purana Lord Vishnu says `Tasya vittam Haramyaham' which means that he who sacrifices money for the sake of God, is really blessed. This looks quite odd for us to wonder whether even God wants money! No. God does not want money because this entire world is His wealth only as per Veda (Kasyasvit Dhanam…). You have taken the money from His treasure for your needs and God permits this. But you have taken extra money also and you are storing it, which is not permitted by God. You have to return back that extra to the Lord when He comes in human form for His divine work. Remember that you are returning His own money, which was stolen by you since He did not permit you to take the extra money. When you have gone to a friend's house he gave you a cup of milk. He permitted only the milk to be taken by you but not the cup. You have stolen the cup also as the extra, which was not expected by your friend. You have to return back that stolen cup to your friend secretly. Holy Jesus says that when you donate the money to God by one hand the other hand should not know about that donation. Since it is stolen money it should be returned secretly. A father purchased some sweets and gave to his child. The father is asking for one sweet from the child just to test the attitude and the love of the child on him. Even if you are not returning back the God's money to God, you are leaving that money here only and you are quitting this world with vacant hands. That extra money is left in this world only, which is the bank of the God. The devotee who donates the extra money to God for His divine work is also quitting this world alone with vacant hands. The former is going to Hell as a thief but the latter is going to the Kingdom of God because he returned the stolen money of God. When you are returning this extra money, you must be very careful to see that this money reaches God only and not others. God dwells in two places 1) In the body of human incarnation (Son of God) 2) In the heart of a real devotee. When the money is donated to such God man or the real devotee, that money is properly used to uplift the humanity. In such social service the God-man or the real devotee will use lot of discrimination due to their divine knowledge and the money donated by you will be properly spent. Without the practical sacrifice of money or atleast the work, mere prayers, love and meditation are only the side pickles in the plate without the central bread or rice. When God eats the pickles only which you serve, His stomach is burnt with high acidity and God becomes furious. Due to His anger the extra money stored by you goes waste through diseases etc., Your children may loose that money also and they are also not blessed in any way in their lives. This gospel of Holy Jesus should open the eye of knowledge of all the Hindus to learn the practical sacrifice from foreigners. Holy Jesus referred to such people who do not give up their extra money for God's work saying that they can never reach God even if a camel passes through the eye of a needle. His Gospel refers to such selfish rich people only who are caught up in the net of their limited families. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2006 Why does India suffer with poverty? *********** Only Lord Datta can give the answer to this question. *********** I see? So every one else in the world is a fool? Whats this? Evangelism? **Almost all the foreign countries are blessed with wealth except India.** who said so? We are the third largest economy in the world. **So, the mentality of all the people in this universe is different from the mentality of Indians. This difference in the mentalities is responsible for the difference in the attitude towards God to bless all the countries in the world except India. ** I am sorry Sir!! India is as well blessed as any other country** You seem to be in an assertive mood and your assertions are to put it mildly incorrect. **Let us compare the rituals, which are considered as worship of God. In every ritual, the essence is to praise the Lord and develop devotion. This brings universal equality in the rituals. Otherwise, if you say that God is worshipped by such and such hymns only, God becomes prejudiced since that hymn is restricted only to that part of the country. When the Lord is pleased, He will bless the person performing the ritual. In India, does anyone know that a ritual means worship of God? Let us take the marriage ceremony as an example. Indians think that once the ceremony is performed, the couple is bonded. For such a bond, a registrar's office will do. Then what is the use of the ritual performed for so many hours? The hymns are uttered in Sanskrit and neither the priest nor the couple, know the meaning of the hymn. The priest does not explain the meaning of the hymns.. The meanings have inner meanings, which end in praising the Lord only. It is the foremost duty of the priest to explain the inner meaning of the hymns to the people and make them devotees of the Lord. This is the main aim of the ritual. By the time the marriage ends, the couple should become devotees of the Lord. The devotion not only bonds the couple but also brings the blessings of the Lord to them. For a mere marriage, a registrar's office will do, which can substitute this ritual. Actually, people are thinking in this way and the youngsters are following them. ** In short you are saying a church wedding is better!! How many in the west now goes through it? You seem to have no idea. Hindu marriages are performed as a sacrament. Whoever said there is no praising of God? You seem unfamiliar with Hindu rituals. Maybe its because you are not one. There is a law allowing registered marriages. It is there in the west too. **In other countries, prayers are sung in their mother tongue. So you are unfamiliar with not only Hinduism but also whats happening in other countrie!! Nice!! Oh is it? I thought till recently Christian Masses were celebrated in Latin and Cyrillic. **But, the situation in India is worse since the meaning is not known.** Maybe for a non-hindu? A Hindu understands better than any. **A priest should be a scholar in Sanskrit and simple recitation is of no use. `Sastras' say that there is no use of mere recitation of Vedic hymns ("Ananthajnah…"). People have started using a tape recorder for the chanting of hymns. The reason is that people think that a ritual is a mere recitation of hymns. Gita says that knowledge is more important than the action of the ritual ("Sreyan…."). The aim of the priest is to make the people devotees of the Lord. This main aim is completely lost. This aim is the aim of the work of the Lord in a human incarnation.** I see thank you for the revelation So, the priests are the real helpers of the Lord in His work. ** Like “Mother” Theresa who hoarded millions including stolen money and kept on claiming to be poor? **Can a human being bless another human being? ** Oh yes they can because they themselves are part of God. That’s Hindu belief. Maybe u do not know that?? **The people should become devotees and get the blessings of the Lord by attending a ritual, if the ritual is done in the right sense. If the priest performs the ritual in the right sense, the Lord will bless him and the people and also the country with the immense wealth. The rituals are the paths of divine knowledge and devotion and not mere formalities or paths of earning some petty money. Today, Lord Datta is advising all the Indians to rectify this mistake and please the Lord so that He will bless India with wealth.** Pray who is the Lord you are referring to?? Is it this Datta? Does he need any donation? Then please come out straight and say. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: "rajeshwari iyer" <rajii31 wrote: > Had you posted the below article 30yrs back, you stand a chance of getting some positve response. This article makes little sense in present climate - when middle class is growing- who pay tax without expecting anyting in return. What action prompted you to say that we care little for society. > If money is the ulitmate power and motive in life- whereby god can also be realised - then why are you tuning into spiritual sites - your focus ought tobe on share market. You can make huge contribution on behalf of all Indians. > Let us not superficially boost ourselves as master of knowledge or command over language. This statement makes little sense. Finally, India does not lack technical expertise. On the whole, the below article exposes lack of deapth in understanding any society and has little substance to offer.raji. -------------------- Why does India suffer with poverty? Swami Vivekananda cried loudly facing the sky, "Why India, with such rich spiritual knowledge, is suffering with poverty". Only Lord Datta can give the answer to this question. Today, the answer is given. Any country means its people and their mentality. Mind decides everything and action follows accordingly. If the mentality is analyzed, the action and its fruit become clear. Almost all the foreign countries are blessed with wealth except India. So, the mentality of all the people in this universe is different from the mentality of Indians. This difference in the mentalities is responsible for the difference in the attitude towards God to bless all the countries in the world except India. Let us compare the rituals, which are considered as worship of God. In every ritual, the essence is to praise the Lord and develop devotion. This brings universal equality in the rituals. Otherwise, if you say that God is worshipped by such and such hymns only, God becomes prejudiced since that hymn is restricted only to that part of the country. When the Lord is pleased, He will bless the person performing the ritual. In India, does anyone know that a ritual means worship of God? Let us take the marriage ceremony as an example. Indians think that once the ceremony is performed, the couple is bonded. For such a bond, a registrar's office will do. Then what is the use of the ritual performed for so many hours? The hymns are uttered in Sanskrit and neither the priest nor the couple, know the meaning of the hymn. The priest does not explain the meaning of the hymns. The meanings have inner meanings, which end in praising the Lord only. It is the foremost duty of the priest to explain the inner meaning of the hymns to the people and make them devotees of the Lord. This is the main aim of the ritual. By the time the marriage ends, the couple should become devotees of the Lord. The devotion not only bonds the couple but also brings the blessings of the Lord to them. For a mere marriage, a registrar's office will do, which can substitute this ritual. Actually, people are thinking in this way and the youngsters are following them. In other countries, prayers are sung in their mother tongue. Atleast the people are catching the meaning of the prayers in this case. But, there also, the priest should explain the inner meaning that can alone bring the divine knowledge and devotion in the people. But, the situation in India is worse since the meaning is not known. A priest should be a scholar in Sanskrit and simple recitation is of no use. `Sastras' say that there is no use of mere recitation of Vedic hymns ("Ananthajnah…"). People have started using a tape recorder for the chanting of hymns. The reason is that people think that a ritual is a mere recitation of hymns. Gita says that knowledge is more important than the action of the ritual ("Sreyan…."). The aim of the priest is to make the people devotees of the Lord. This main aim is completely lost. This aim is the aim of the work of the Lord in a human incarnation. So, the priests are the real helpers of the Lord in His work. When this aim is lost, the life of the rituals is lost. The aim of the ritual today for a priest is to get some money for the labour of recitation and for the people, the aim is to finish the formality. For a ritual, several people are invited, so that they also become devotees by that ritual. But now, people are attending the function as a formality only to bless the couple. Can a human being bless another human being? The people should become devotees and get the blessings of the Lord by attending a ritual, if the ritual is done in the right sense. If the priest performs the ritual in the right sense, the Lord will bless him and the people and also the country with the immense wealth. The rituals are the paths of divine knowledge and devotion and not mere formalities or paths of earning some petty money. Today, Lord Datta is advising all the Indians to rectify this mistake and please the Lord so that He will bless India with wealth. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2006 sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > And pray, how many of the foreigners you are referring to follow >the alleged teachings of Jesus? Do you have names? You can e-mail >me the names and addresses privately. Or is it Rat Singer you are >referring to? Or is it "Mother" Teresa who collected stolen money >and wanted the thief forgiven and did not reply to the Prosecutor >when he asked the money back and who was having millions and never -------------- Even all the Indian spiritual centres were strongly funded by foreigners only. Indians store money even for ten generations and still continue to store only. Since prayers, meditation and knowledge are very much diverted to God, India was blessed by God with good language, good mind and good knowledge. Since foreigners are good in sacrifice, God blessed them with good wealth. Sacrifice of money (Karma phala tyaga) and sacrifice of work (karma Sanyasa) put together constitute the God's service, which is the real Yoga (real proof of love) called "Karma yoga" in Gita. Foreigners are the best in this karma yoga and so they easily succeed in yoga. Throughout Gita, this karma yoga was explained as yoga and wheels or lotus flowers are not at all mentioned. The author of the Gita is Krishna, who is called Master of Yoga (Yogeswara). Krishna also says that the real yoga was lost since long (Sa kaleneha mahata….). This means that in the beginning, Sages in India knew the real yoga and loved God only crossing all their family bonds. In due course of time only, this true yoga was lost. Why? The middle age Indians were unable to cross their family bonds and so failed to succeed in Yoga. They wanted to cover their in ability by twisting the very concept of yoga. The family bonds were removed from the concept and only wheels or lotus flowers are left fixed. Now, they close the eyes and say that they have seen the lotus flowers or wheels, which are only imaginary. Now they cross these wheels by their imaginary "Kundalini" and say that they have succeeded in Yoga. These blind teachers are also not to be blamed, because they were trained like that by their blind teachers. This misinterpretation was done long time back and hence, even at the time of Krishna, He told that yoga was lost since a long time. We cannot catch those original culprits, who were the top most twisting masters and so the present tradition also cannot be blamed. Only rectification is the way left over. Some say that they see light, which is only an imagination. After all, the mind is a form of energy and on its concentration imaginary light can be imagined. Instead of such a week light, you better see a strong light with your open eyes. What is the use of these imaginary lights and colours, without achieving the Lord through your love, which excels the various worldly loves. I pity the foreigners, who are trapped in this false imaginary line of yoga, who are wasting their precious lifetime and energy. In fact, they are the best to succeed in yoga, if the reality of the yoga is exposed. Their family bonds are very weak and their love towards God is real, which is proved by their huge sacrifice of money to God's work. Money is the fruit of work and its sacrifice for God's work is "Karma phala tyaga" as mentioned in Gita. Again, the middle age Indians twisted this word "Karma phala tyaga" as sacrifice of the fruit of the work like praying God instead of sacrifice of money. The reason was that these Indians were unable to sacrifice money to God due to their strong love on their children. Foreigners ask their children to earn after certain age. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2006 We have to understand that Bible texts have been rearanged left and right , as to fit into the political era at whatever moment they where being used. That is unfortunate as the true meaning of Christ over hundreds and thousands of years has slowly diminished. What we are left is a Pragmatic Jezus . The good news however is that at the same time , truth does come out ! at the moment we are witnessing and able to find out more about Jezus and His teachings which are only confirming the fact that Christ was a Master Guru Yogi and his teachings are just like Buddha or any other enlightened teacher is the east. India regardless of political or economical situation is extreemely blessed place on earth charged with so much energy from all the saints , Rishis and powerfull Sanskrit chanting , I consider it like a special temple for the rest of the world. Economically India soon will not be if not now considered poor. joanna > > "This gospel of Holy Jesus should open the eye of knowledge of all the Hindus to > learn the practical sacrifice from foreigners. " really? which Gospel are u talking about please? The once created on the orders of Holy Roam Emperor; or is it the gospels that were ordered to be burnt on his orders but survived as Nag Hammadi Library? > > As far as I know the alleged "gospels" were written by many people 100s of years after the alleged death of Jesus. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2006 Dear Surya, I only believe in divine mother who never asked any monetary offer from me. She is my mother not my guru (mother is more than guru and sometimes she herself is guru), hence the issue 'Guru Dakshina" does not arise. I have one guru who is very affectionate to me and I bend down, touch his feet and salute him with complete respect. He is very pleased with my respectful salutation and treat me a like a son with complete love and honour. He never expected monetary offers from me as "Guru Dakshina". Coming to issue of helping the needy people, I always do help based on personal qualities of opposite person. I do help needy ones taking the name of Goddess. I belive everyone in general is doing these basic things as devotee. Where does question arise "Guru Dakshina" or giving excess money to "Sadguru"? My understanding is 'Guru Dakshina" not necessarily always means "money". The respect we offer to him or the good reference he enjoy due to our success is also called as "Guru Dakshina". During my childhood I was told the real "Guru Dakshina" is reaching heigher goals and not to feel insult / shy to refer name of his guru who gave him this great knowledge. Someone rising to international standards and bringing good name would always make Guru enjoy the pride of being 'GURU' Such pride offer is real "Guru Dakshina". We need more people who can offer such guru dakshina with humility. Regards Upendra V surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: "ganpra" <ganpra wrote: > Extra money stored, goes to waste through disease etc!! > Hmmmm, may be the concept of modern banking fails here. I believe no one stores monies in matresses and pillows anymore,especially ... > Since Shakthas (majority in this group) are adwaithas, meaning SHE > is in each of the devotees, may be we should keep our own monies!! > Or even better, since Nora uses a nick of "Godess-is-in-me," may be we should send all our money to her!!! > > Love and prayers are mere pickles.....interesting notion - but does not hold water with Shakthas. There are quite a few forms of HER who might enjoy just the pickles!!! :-) > Any how, if you are really serious about donating YOUR money, then > visit any cancer ward in a hospital. There must be several people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2006 , Devi Son <devi_son wrote: > Dear Surya, > I only believe in divine mother who never asked any monetary offer from me. She is my mother not my guru (mother is more than guru and sometimes she herself is guru), hence the issue 'Guru Dakshina" does not arise. > I have one guru who is very affectionate to me and I bend down, touch his feet and salute him with complete respect. He is very pleased with my respectful salutation and treat me a like a son with complete love and honour. He never expected monetary offers from me as "Guru Dakshina". > Coming to issue of helping the needy people, I always do help based on personal qualities of opposite person. I do help needy ones taking the name of Goddess. > I belive everyone in general is doing these basic things as devotee. Where does question arise "Guru Dakshina" or giving excess money to "Sadguru"? > My understanding is 'Guru Dakshina" not necessarily always means "money". The respect we offer to him or the good reference he enjoy due to our success is also called as "Guru Dakshina". > During my childhood I was told the real "Guru Dakshina" is reaching heigher goals and not to feel insult / shy to refer name of his guru who gave him this great knowledge. Someone rising to international standards and bringing good name would always make Guru enjoy the pride of being 'GURU' Such pride offer is real "Guru Dakshina". We need more people who can offer such guru dakshina with humility. > Regards > Upendra V The scriptures say that your sacrifice of money to Lord in human form (who is only Satguru like Krishna or Rama or Jesus) is highest (even not for social service also). 1)In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya), Gita says that the fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work on the top most level. Gita says `Jnanat dhyanam visishyate, Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah'i.e., Bhakti (devotion) is better than Jnana (knowledge) and sacrificing the fruit of your work (money) is better than Bakthi. 2)Gita says `Sarva karma Phala tyagam', `prahuh tyagam vichakshanah' i.e., if you can give the fruit of the entire work to the Lord, then that is real sacrifice. 3)`Na karmana, Na prajaya, Dhanena, tyage naike Amritatvam Aanasuh' i.e., you cannot attain God by selfish work or the children. You can attain God only by sacrificing your money for God's work. – The Veda 4)The first words of the first Upanishath (Easavaasyam) says, `Tena tyaktena Bhunjeedah' `Ma gradha ha kasyasvit Dhanam' i.e., this entire world is the money of the Lord. Take whatever you require from His wealth; don't take extra which is not permitted by the God. If you have taken, you are a thief. Return it back to the Lord. 5)Veda says `Samvidha' `Shraddhayaa' `Hriya' `Bhiya dheyam', i.e., return the extra to the Lord in human form after recognizing Him through His Jnana. Wait patiently till you recognize the Lord in human form. When you are donating your money to Him (actually you are giving Him His own money) you should give it with fear and feel shy. 6)In Yoga Vasistha the Guru Vasista says to Rama (Dhanamarjaya) i.e., bring money and offer it to me as Guru Dakshina before I can teach you the Jnana. Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. Mr. Patil, a farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba and took back whatever Baba gave back to him. Matthew–6 : 19 to 22 "Do not Lay up for yourselves, treasures on earth. But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven. For where your treasure is there your heart will be also". Matthew -7: 21 "Not everyone who say to Me, `Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven". Holy Islam speaks about the sacrifice of fruit of work (money) through the word `Jakaat'. This word says that every rich man is expected to practice the sacrifice within the limit of his wealth. Islam says that people are loving too much the money (Q'ran: AalFajr – 20). Islam says that by sacrifice of money your wealth will not decrease and in fact your wealth increases by sacrifice. Islam also mentions that by sacrifice of money your wealth becomes most pure. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2006 in short give money to this datta fellow who I think is none other than you.. The website made me laugh!! Completed PHd at 19?? Which university does that in India? It is nothing short of Bull. Stop sermonising please. Don't mouth contradictory statements. It makes one sick!! surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > And pray, how many of the foreigners you are referring to follow >the alleged teachings of Jesus? Do you have names? You can e-mail >me the names and addresses privately. Or is it Rat Singer you are >referring to? Or is it "Mother" Teresa who collected stolen money >and wanted the thief forgiven and did not reply to the Prosecutor >when he asked the money back and who was having millions and never -------------- Even all the Indian spiritual centres were strongly funded by foreigners only. Indians store money even for ten generations and still continue to store only. Since prayers, meditation and knowledge are very much diverted to God, India was blessed by God with good language, good mind and good knowledge. Since foreigners are good in sacrifice, God blessed them with good wealth. Sacrifice of money (Karma phala tyaga) and sacrifice of work (karma Sanyasa) put together constitute the God's service, which is the real Yoga (real proof of love) called "Karma yoga" in Gita. Foreigners are the best in this karma yoga and so they easily succeed in yoga. Throughout Gita, this karma yoga was explained as yoga and wheels or lotus flowers are not at all mentioned. The author of the Gita is Krishna, who is called Master of Yoga (Yogeswara). Krishna also says that the real yoga was lost since long (Sa kaleneha mahata….). This means that in the beginning, Sages in India knew the real yoga and loved God only crossing all their family bonds. In due course of time only, this true yoga was lost. Why? The middle age Indians were unable to cross their family bonds and so failed to succeed in Yoga. They wanted to cover their in ability by twisting the very concept of yoga. The family bonds were removed from the concept and only wheels or lotus flowers are left fixed. Now, they close the eyes and say that they have seen the lotus flowers or wheels, which are only imaginary. Now they cross these wheels by their imaginary "Kundalini" and say that they have succeeded in Yoga. These blind teachers are also not to be blamed, because they were trained like that by their blind teachers. This misinterpretation was done long time back and hence, even at the time of Krishna, He told that yoga was lost since a long time. We cannot catch those original culprits, who were the top most twisting masters and so the present tradition also cannot be blamed. Only rectification is the way left over. Some say that they see light, which is only an imagination. After all, the mind is a form of energy and on its concentration imaginary light can be imagined. Instead of such a week light, you better see a strong light with your open eyes. What is the use of these imaginary lights and colours, without achieving the Lord through your love, which excels the various worldly loves. I pity the foreigners, who are trapped in this false imaginary line of yoga, who are wasting their precious lifetime and energy. In fact, they are the best to succeed in yoga, if the reality of the yoga is exposed. Their family bonds are very weak and their love towards God is real, which is proved by their huge sacrifice of money to God's work. Money is the fruit of work and its sacrifice for God's work is "Karma phala tyaga" as mentioned in Gita. Again, the middle age Indians twisted this word "Karma phala tyaga" as sacrifice of the fruit of the work like praying God instead of sacrifice of money. The reason was that these Indians were unable to sacrifice money to God due to their strong love on their children. Foreigners ask their children to earn after certain age. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2006 http://daily.stanford.edu/tempo?page=content&id=20720&repository=0001_article surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: , Devi Son <devi_son wrote: > Dear Surya, > I only believe in divine mother who never asked any monetary offer from me. She is my mother not my guru (mother is more than guru and sometimes she herself is guru), hence the issue 'Guru Dakshina" does not arise. > I have one guru who is very affectionate to me and I bend down, touch his feet and salute him with complete respect. He is very pleased with my respectful salutation and treat me a like a son with complete love and honour. He never expected monetary offers from me as "Guru Dakshina". > Coming to issue of helping the needy people, I always do help based on personal qualities of opposite person. I do help needy ones taking the name of Goddess. > I belive everyone in general is doing these basic things as devotee. Where does question arise "Guru Dakshina" or giving excess money to "Sadguru"? > My understanding is 'Guru Dakshina" not necessarily always means "money". The respect we offer to him or the good reference he enjoy due to our success is also called as "Guru Dakshina". > During my childhood I was told the real "Guru Dakshina" is reaching heigher goals and not to feel insult / shy to refer name of his guru who gave him this great knowledge. Someone rising to international standards and bringing good name would always make Guru enjoy the pride of being 'GURU' Such pride offer is real "Guru Dakshina". We need more people who can offer such guru dakshina with humility. > Regards > Upendra V The scriptures say that your sacrifice of money to Lord in human form (who is only Satguru like Krishna or Rama or Jesus) is highest (even not for social service also). 1)In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya), Gita says that the fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work on the top most level. Gita says `Jnanat dhyanam visishyate, Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah'i.e., Bhakti (devotion) is better than Jnana (knowledge) and sacrificing the fruit of your work (money) is better than Bakthi. 2)Gita says `Sarva karma Phala tyagam', `prahuh tyagam vichakshanah' i.e., if you can give the fruit of the entire work to the Lord, then that is real sacrifice. 3)`Na karmana, Na prajaya, Dhanena, tyage naike Amritatvam Aanasuh' i.e., you cannot attain God by selfish work or the children. You can attain God only by sacrificing your money for God's work. – The Veda 4)The first words of the first Upanishath (Easavaasyam) says, `Tena tyaktena Bhunjeedah' `Ma gradha ha kasyasvit Dhanam' i.e., this entire world is the money of the Lord. Take whatever you require from His wealth; don't take extra which is not permitted by the God. If you have taken, you are a thief. Return it back to the Lord. 5)Veda says `Samvidha' `Shraddhayaa' `Hriya' `Bhiya dheyam', i.e., return the extra to the Lord in human form after recognizing Him through His Jnana. Wait patiently till you recognize the Lord in human form. When you are donating your money to Him (actually you are giving Him His own money) you should give it with fear and feel shy. 6)In Yoga Vasistha the Guru Vasista says to Rama (Dhanamarjaya) i.e., bring money and offer it to me as Guru Dakshina before I can teach you the Jnana. Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. Mr. Patil, a farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba and took back whatever Baba gave back to him. Matthew–6 : 19 to 22 "Do not Lay up for yourselves, treasures on earth. But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven. For where your treasure is there your heart will be also". Matthew -7: 21 "Not everyone who say to Me, `Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven". Holy Islam speaks about the sacrifice of fruit of work (money) through the word `Jakaat'. This word says that every rich man is expected to practice the sacrifice within the limit of his wealth. Islam says that people are loving too much the money (Q'ran: AalFajr – 20). Islam says that by sacrifice of money your wealth will not decrease and in fact your wealth increases by sacrifice. Islam also mentions that by sacrifice of money your wealth becomes most pure. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2006 sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > in short give money to this datta fellow who I think is none other than you. The website made me laugh!! Completed PHd at 19?? Which university does that in India? > It is nothing short of Bull. Stop sermonising please. Don't mouth contradictory statements. It makes one sick!! My dear friend Swamiji did from BHU (not sure). He was in Varanasi. You would have attacked the concepts present and am willing to participate to any length. But you started personal attacks. You please tell me where contradictions are there. Dr. Khurana could not get a teacher post in India. But when he got a Nobel Prize in foreign country, Indians become proud of him! Indians appreciated Swami Vivekananda only when foreigners appreciated him. This is historical fact. This means foreigners grasp the truth very easily and quickly. It gives me immense pleasure in introduce to you the divine personality of His Holiness Sri Datta Swami (Swamiji) Swamiji is a scholar par excellence in the scriptures of world religions including Hinduism, Christianity, Islam and Buddhism. He is a master of a variety of spiritual techniques such as yoga, pranayama and mediation. He is a proficient astrologer. Remarkably, He is a seniormost scientist and professor of chemistry in an engineering college in India. Swamiji's mission is achieving world peace by the establishment of a Universal Spirituality based on Divine Knowledge. Divine Knowledge is the basis of all religions in the world and is the essential underlying message of all the scriptures. The One Omniscient and Omnipotent God gave the same Divine Knowledge in different lands and times. If only one religion and its scriptures are regarded as genuinely inspired by God, then one would have to accept that God is partial to have favored only one people and condemned all others to hell for no fault of theirs. Such claims of exclusiveness with regard to particular religions, its scriptures and its prophets are the cause of communal violence and the growing rift between religions and their followers. The root cause of such claims of exclusiveness in every religion is the misinterpretation of the scriptures. The prophets of each religion were God-inspired and revealed the Word of God to people according to the specific culture and needs of that people. The essential knowledge was the same but the external form was different. Followers of each religion, lacking the divine insight of their prophets, misinterpreted the words of the prophets and gave birth to mutual intolerance and strife between religions. The solution of this problem lies in the elucidation of the essential message of scriptures. This can be done by comparing scriptures of different religions, weighing against logic and experience and thereby resolving conflicts. It requires an in depth knowledge of all scriptures and a firm grasp of their essential meaning. Moreover it requires the same insight of Divine Knowledge that the prophets of each religion had. Alas this is not possible for an ordinary human being. The Will of the Lord alone can inspire this unattainable task. It is through the Lord's Divine Will alone that Sri Datta Swami has taken up this mission for the benefit of the entire human race. Swamiji is not biased towards any particular religion since He sees only Divine Knowledge, which is the source of all religions. He is a strong proponent of a rational and scientific approach to spirituality. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2006 , "ganpra" <ganpra wrote: Any how, if you are really serious about donating YOUR money, then visit any cancer ward in a hospital. There must be several people who are poor and can't afford the chemo/radiation therapies. Or go visit any public hospitals, visit the mortuary, there must be helpless families crying because the breadwinner died suddenly and are out of money even to perform the last rites. Take a few thousand rupees/dollars or whichever currency you want and help them through their periods of hardship. I heard the word MONEY. Not sure what's the whole discussion is all abt, but Im very sure its all abt money. I just got back You see, and Ganpra's word caught my attention. As Ganpra said, if you are serious abt donating, maybe you like to consider these two organisation im working very closely; 1] Savong School : is in Cambodia. One of our Moderator have met him personally. I will def visit this young man perhaps this year to do an assessement on the requirements of his school and make the necessary recommendation to the Singapore International Foundation. But if private individual would like to help why not. Communicate with him directly. The link to his site is given below. A very committed young man who wants to bring his community back to their feet. They are recovering from the effect of the bloody war. He started a school because he believe the only way for his people to overcome poverty is through education. Ive been communicating with him for sometimes, and today he send me this request for help : "Now I am difficult to earn money for the school ,and I always pay much money for everything at the school , so I really need you contact or communicate with your friends about the school at countryside , if you could do this for the school I am really happy to stead my students , Now I need to build a shad house for the students sitting , because the sky sometime rains and sometime hot , so it is difficult for the students at the school I need you to help me this , Could you help me this ,Nora ? I hope that you will be able to help my school , if you could please you let me know soon And if you have much time," http://nmadasamy.com/savong/savong.html 2] Mugambigai Educational and Cultural Organisation. One of the Sri Shakti Mugambigai Amman Temple of Midvalley, Megamall Kuala Lumpur [Malaysia] community out reach program. The Founder of this temple elder son told me one day: Temple cannot always take from the community all the time, We must return it back accordingly. Temple in ancient times have always been the center of educational and cultural activities. Now Temple have move away, we must return back to our basic foundation. The program targets school children in the lower income group by providing tuition/remedial classes for them. We are working very closely with Vivekananda Ashram. Our first project is the remedial classes at SJKT Vivekananda, Petaling Jaya. Eventually we will reached out to other children especially in the rural areas. Anybody who wants to know more information abt this, kindly contact me personally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2006 My dear friend Swamiji did from BHU (not sure). So Not sure which University eh? he must have passed in late 40s or early 50s looking at the morphed pics on the site.. In India one does 10+2 years schooling; 3 years graduation + 2 years masters to even start doctoral work. That’s 17 years. It takes at least 3 years to complete the thesis. In India time is always given great importance. So he must have joined school even before he was born!! Wow!! When you make claims please think!! Then he is supposed to have had manakaran (NAMING) at the age of 7. So till then he went without name? How can one join school or anywhere without name!?? I do not know. These are two things I picked off straight. It is said “falsus in uno falsus in omnibus” in Latin. This is what it is. Intrinsic contradictions. There are many other. But then why should I waste my time on all the rambling self contradictory statements? He was in Varanasi. You would have attacked the concepts present and am willing to participate to any length. But you started personal attacks. You please tell me where contradictions are there. è There is no concept or structured statements in the site. So there is nothing to discuss. I am fed up with people coming forth with long ramblings with no rhyme or reason. Hence my reply. When you point out the silly claims then it becomes a “personal attack”!! How funny. Can you tell me the name of the college and the place? I will have it checked. I would certainly like to meet an Indian who did PHd by the age of 19 in India. It is sheer waste of time to talk of a confused monologue with no clear understanding of what is being attempted to be said. So I will not do it. I also understand that same mails are being posted in other sites too? So what is the mission? Propaganda? if u create a site some people will fall for it. Nice. does dattapr mean Datta Public Relations? surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > in short give money to this datta fellow who I think is none other than you. The website made me laugh!! Completed PHd at 19?? Which university does that in India? > It is nothing short of Bull. Stop sermonising please. Don't mouth contradictory statements. It makes one sick!! My dear friend Swamiji did from BHU (not sure). He was in Varanasi. You would have attacked the concepts present and am willing to participate to any length. But you started personal attacks. You please tell me where contradictions are there. Dr. Khurana could not get a teacher post in India. But when he got a Nobel Prize in foreign country, Indians become proud of him! Indians appreciated Swami Vivekananda only when foreigners appreciated him. This is historical fact. This means foreigners grasp the truth very easily and quickly. It gives me immense pleasure in introduce to you the divine personality of His Holiness Sri Datta Swami (Swamiji) Swamiji is a scholar par excellence in the scriptures of world religions including Hinduism, Christianity, Islam and Buddhism. He is a master of a variety of spiritual techniques such as yoga, pranayama and mediation. He is a proficient astrologer. Remarkably, He is a seniormost scientist and professor of chemistry in an engineering college in India. Swamiji's mission is achieving world peace by the establishment of a Universal Spirituality based on Divine Knowledge. Divine Knowledge is the basis of all religions in the world and is the essential underlying message of all the scriptures. The One Omniscient and Omnipotent God gave the same Divine Knowledge in different lands and times. If only one religion and its scriptures are regarded as genuinely inspired by God, then one would have to accept that God is partial to have favored only one people and condemned all others to hell for no fault of theirs. Such claims of exclusiveness with regard to particular religions, its scriptures and its prophets are the cause of communal violence and the growing rift between religions and their followers. The root cause of such claims of exclusiveness in every religion is the misinterpretation of the scriptures. The prophets of each religion were God-inspired and revealed the Word of God to people according to the specific culture and needs of that people. The essential knowledge was the same but the external form was different. Followers of each religion, lacking the divine insight of their prophets, misinterpreted the words of the prophets and gave birth to mutual intolerance and strife between religions. The solution of this problem lies in the elucidation of the essential message of scriptures. This can be done by comparing scriptures of different religions, weighing against logic and experience and thereby resolving conflicts. It requires an in depth knowledge of all scriptures and a firm grasp of their essential meaning. Moreover it requires the same insight of Divine Knowledge that the prophets of each religion had. Alas this is not possible for an ordinary human being. The Will of the Lord alone can inspire this unattainable task. It is through the Lord's Divine Will alone that Sri Datta Swami has taken up this mission for the benefit of the entire human race. Swamiji is not biased towards any particular religion since He sees only Divine Knowledge, which is the source of all religions. He is a strong proponent of a rational and scientific approach to spirituality. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2006 Not another Guru Datta. - surya Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:33 PM Re: Sacrifice Of Wealth Is The Way sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > in short give money to this datta fellow who I think is none other than you. The website made me laugh!! Completed PHd at 19?? Which university does that in India? > It is nothing short of Bull. Stop sermonising please. Don't mouth contradictory statements. It makes one sick!! My dear friend Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2006 sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > Swamiji did from BHU (not sure). So Not sure which University eh? >he must have passed in late 40s or early 50s looking at the morphed >pics on the site. In India one does 10+2 years schooling; 3 years >graduation + 2 years masters to even start doctoral work. That's 17 >years. It takes at least 3 years to complete the thesis. In India >time is always given great importance. So he must have joined >school even before he was born!! Wow!! When you make claims please >think!! > Then he is supposed to have had manakaran (NAMING) at the age of >7. So till then he went without name? How can one join school or >anywhere without name!?? I do not know. These are two things I >picked off straight. It is said "falsus in uno falsus in omnibus" >in Latin. This is what it is. Intrinsic contradictions. There are >many other. But then why should I waste my time on all the rambling >self contradictory statements? ---------- Dr. Khurana could not get a teacher post in India. But then how could he get a Nobel Prize? Can you please explain? Einstein and Ramanujam did not get a pass and could not get the degree. How do you explain their great research works? So whatever you wrote is for normal people. Sometime there will be extraordinary cases. i think you do not heard of any such extraordinary case. Accepting truth is very difficult and for that matter even at the discussion stage itself. But when all the preachers (human incarnations) are preaching the same knowledge, no human being cannot deny. Following it or not is left individuals discretion. Mostly people do not appreciate the greatness of anybody when they are alive. Popularity comes afterwards only. When shirdi Sai Baba was alive, He was having only a handful of devotees only. Now you will find devotees in every street of India. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2006 Dear Joanna: I agree with the spirit of your post, but I think we should be careful about undermining that spirit by playing fast and loose with particulars. *** We have to understand that Bible texts have been rearanged left and right , as to fit into the political era at whatever moment they where being used. *** Yes, up to and including the present historical moment. We who are embodied today are not the culmination of history, but a mere blink in time among trillions preceding us and trillions yet to come. *** The good news however is that at the same time, truth does come out! At the moment we are witnessing and able to find out more about Jezus and His teachings *** Not really, I think. We are just witnessing the latest transforming of Jesus and his teachings to suit the tenor and trends of the moment. *** which are only confirming the fact that Christ was a Master Guru Yogi and his teachings are just like Buddha or any other enlightened teacher i[n] the east. *** Here is where we must be careful. Jesus was certainly a great and enlightened spiritual Master and -- since all rivers lead to the the sea -- the highest interpretations of his teachings lead us to the same place as to the words of the Buddha and other great spiritual teachers. But the slim evidence we have suggests that Jesus would have considered himself a heterodox Jewish rabbi. The term "Master Guru Yogi" would have meant nothing to him. Some of Jesus's teachings do indeed illuminate the role of the Guru as beautifully as any Eastern text. And perhaps his ascestic leanings and austere practices could be compared to a sort of yogic practice. But when we freely jumble all of these ideas, mixing and matching historically and philosophically distinct traditions (and, despite many apparent similarities, the traditions are profoundly distinct), we risk engaging in wishful thinking, creating in our minds a Jesus who looks and thinks like we do -- rather than honestly assessing what actually is. *** India [...] is extreemely blessed place on earth charged with so much energy from all the saints , Rishis and powerfull Sanskrit chanting , I consider it like a special temple for the rest of the world. *** It is indeed. Millennia of devoted sadhana there have made it the center of the Universe for those of us who follow this path. But there is no place in the Universe that is not equally sacred, if only you make it so. That is to say: India, for the sadhaka, is a state of mind. ;-) Thanks for a lovely post. aim mAtangyai namaH Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2006 no details or anwers. but rants. i give up surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > Swamiji did from BHU (not sure). So Not sure which University eh? >he must have passed in late 40s or early 50s looking at the morphed >pics on the site. In India one does 10+2 years schooling; 3 years >graduation + 2 years masters to even start doctoral work. That's 17 >years. It takes at least 3 years to complete the thesis. In India >time is always given great importance. So he must have joined >school even before he was born!! Wow!! When you make claims please >think!! > Then he is supposed to have had manakaran (NAMING) at the age of >7. So till then he went without name? How can one join school or >anywhere without name!?? I do not know. These are two things I >picked off straight. It is said "falsus in uno falsus in omnibus" >in Latin. This is what it is. Intrinsic contradictions. There are >many other. But then why should I waste my time on all the rambling >self contradictory statements? ---------- Dr. Khurana could not get a teacher post in India. But then how could he get a Nobel Prize? Can you please explain? Einstein and Ramanujam did not get a pass and could not get the degree. How do you explain their great research works? So whatever you wrote is for normal people. Sometime there will be extraordinary cases. i think you do not heard of any such extraordinary case. Accepting truth is very difficult and for that matter even at the discussion stage itself. But when all the preachers (human incarnations) are preaching the same knowledge, no human being cannot deny. Following it or not is left individuals discretion. Mostly people do not appreciate the greatness of anybody when they are alive. Popularity comes afterwards only. When shirdi Sai Baba was alive, He was having only a handful of devotees only. Now you will find devotees in every street of India. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
