Guest guest Report post Posted April 14, 1999 [Text 76339 from SOCHI] > > Isn't the Pancaratra Pradipa meant to set the standards for our society? > > Srila Prabhupada's books and actions are meant to set the standards for > our society. There is nary a word in either about not eating mustard seeds > on ekadasi. SP books are not necessarily meant to tell us about eating mustard seeds and all other minor rules followed by the Vaisnavas, but this doesn't mean these rules are all useless for us. SP didn't introduce many rules in the beginning, but later he would give more and more rules. My understanding is that Pancaratra Pradipa was written according to the instructions of SP by the competent devotees for the guidance of all ISKCON members. > What more do you need to know? I need to know what is your position to tell us that Pancaratra Pradipa is not so important and we can reject it's rules according to our knowledge of what SP said and did. > > I'm sticking to my guns. If you want to, by all means avoid mustard seeds > on Ekadasi. But please don't try to make it the standard for all of > ISKCON. Prabhu, you can stick to whatever you like, but please don't tell us that we can whimsically reject what is said in the ISKCON Deity Worship Handbook. If you are sure this particular rule is not meant for the Vaisnavas, but only for smartas, please show your evidence. The personal example of Srila Prabhupada, who is above all rules, is not always to be imitated by us. Haribol! YS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 14, 1999 Hare Krishna. > SP books are not necessarily meant to tell us about eating mustard seeds > and all other minor rules followed by the Vaisnavas Who says? > I need to know what is your position to tell us that Pancaratra Pradipa is > not so important and we can reject it's rules according to our knowledge > of what SP said and did. My position is that I have some common sense, and I'm not at all inclined towards the fanatical side of Niyamagraha. Too many times I've seen devotees who are so inclined who rabidly try to artificially add unnecessary austerities to our lives. I'm opposed to this, and I feel that someone has to try to balance things out. So I'm doing that. How about yourself? Turnabout is fair play. What's your position to tell us what the ekadasi standard for the movement as a whole, not just the deity kitchen, should be? > Prabhu, you can stick to whatever you like, but please don't tell us that > we can whimsically reject what is said in the ISKCON Deity Worship > Handbook. Are we talking about deity worship here, or general ekadasi standards? Here's the question which prompted this whole discussion: > Can someone please tell me whether we can use the following on Ekadasi: > Cumin seeds(jeera) > mustard seeds > sesame seeds. > > Happy cooking, I don't think this person was inquiring about deity standards. Absent any specific statement about deity worship, I think it's fair to assume she wants to know how to cook in her own home. This is the Cooking Seminar, not Arcana. It makes sense to me that if the official ISKCON deity worship handbook says to avoid mustard seeds, then those who are preparing deity offerings on ekadasi should avoid them. But that is not what our subject matter is. We are discussing standards for the society as a whole. And I have not seen any evidence which suggests that mustard seeds should be prohibited on ekadasi in that context. Have you? If so, let's hear it. Otherwise, I think this discussion could end here, and I hope it does. Hare Krishna -- your servant, Balarama Dasa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 14, 1999 Hare Krishna. > SP books are not necessarily meant to tell us about eating mustard seeds > and all other minor rules followed by the Vaisnavas Who says? > I need to know what is your position to tell us that Pancaratra Pradipa is > not so important and we can reject it's rules according to our knowledge > of what SP said and did. My position is that I have some common sense, and I'm not at all inclined towards the fanatical side of Niyamagraha. Too many times I've seen devotees who are so inclined who rabidly try to artificially add unnecessary austerities to our lives. I'm opposed to this, and I feel that someone has to try to balance things out. So I'm doing that. How about yourself? Turnabout is fair play. What's your position to tell us what the ekadasi standard for the movement as a whole, not just the deity kitchen, should be? > Prabhu, you can stick to whatever you like, but please don't tell us that > we can whimsically reject what is said in the ISKCON Deity Worship > Handbook. Are we talking about deity worship here, or general ekadasi standards? Here's the question which prompted this whole discussion: > Can someone please tell me whether we can use the following on Ekadasi: > Cumin seeds(jeera) > mustard seeds > sesame seeds. > > Happy cooking, I don't think this person was inquiring about deity standards. Absent any specific statement about deity worship, I think it's fair to assume she wants to know how to cook in her own home. This is the Cooking Seminar, not Arcana. It makes sense to me that if the official ISKCON deity worship handbook says to avoid mustard seeds, then those who are preparing deity offerings on ekadasi should avoid them. But that is not what our subject matter is. We are discussing standards for the society as a whole. And I have not seen any evidence which suggests that mustard seeds should be prohibited on ekadasi in that context. Have you? If so, let's hear it. Otherwise, I think this discussion could end here, and I hope it does. Hare Krishna -- your servant, Balarama Dasa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 15, 1999 [Text 76403 from SOCHI] > My position is that I have some common sense, and I'm not at all inclined > towards the fanatical side of Niyamagraha. Too many times I've seen > devotees who are so inclined who rabidly try to artificially add > unnecessary austerities to our lives. I'm opposed to this, and I feel that > someone has to try to balance things out. So I'm doing that. I don't think all devotees who want to follow these rules are into niyamagraha. And it doesn't seem as a great austerity to avoid those mustard seeds if it's a common gaudiya vaisnava practice. These rules are meant to help us control the tongue and remember Krishna, not to hamper our devotional service. Why not help ourselves in such a simple way? > Are we talking about deity worship here, or general ekadasi standards? > Here's the question which prompted this whole discussion: > > > Can someone please tell me whether we can use the following on Ekadasi: > > Cumin seeds(jeera) > > mustard seeds > > sesame seeds. > > > > Happy cooking, > > I don't think this person was inquiring about deity standards. Absent any > specific statement about deity worship, I think it's fair to assume she > wants to know how to cook in her own home. At least you agreed this shouldn't be offered to the Deities. Please don't forget that some cook for the Deities and/or offer their food to the Deities. YS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 15, 1999 [Text 76403 from SOCHI] > My position is that I have some common sense, and I'm not at all inclined > towards the fanatical side of Niyamagraha. Too many times I've seen > devotees who are so inclined who rabidly try to artificially add > unnecessary austerities to our lives. I'm opposed to this, and I feel that > someone has to try to balance things out. So I'm doing that. I don't think all devotees who want to follow these rules are into niyamagraha. And it doesn't seem as a great austerity to avoid those mustard seeds if it's a common gaudiya vaisnava practice. These rules are meant to help us control the tongue and remember Krishna, not to hamper our devotional service. Why not help ourselves in such a simple way? > Are we talking about deity worship here, or general ekadasi standards? > Here's the question which prompted this whole discussion: > > > Can someone please tell me whether we can use the following on Ekadasi: > > Cumin seeds(jeera) > > mustard seeds > > sesame seeds. > > > > Happy cooking, > > I don't think this person was inquiring about deity standards. Absent any > specific statement about deity worship, I think it's fair to assume she > wants to know how to cook in her own home. At least you agreed this shouldn't be offered to the Deities. Please don't forget that some cook for the Deities and/or offer their food to the Deities. YS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 17, 1999 pamho, :Are we talking about deity worship here, or general ekadasi standards? :Here's the question which prompted this whole discussion: : :> Can someone please tell me whether we can use the following on Ekadasi: :> Cumin seeds(jeera) :> mustard seeds :> sesame seeds. :> :> Happy cooking, I must apologise for creating such a dissention, it was supposed to be a simple query, as here, in our temple, no spices are used in ekadasi, while in another temple (still in Fiji) all spices are used. The reason why I asked about sesame seeds: my sister, a bhaktin made ekadasi prasadam one day, and she put sesame seeds in the carrot halwa, and I after I honoured prasdam, I found out, and freaked out, as I thought they were grains. I hope this helps. Thanks from both sides. I've certainly made up my mind. I pray that may all your cooking endeavours be successful your servant Sravaniya Devi Dasi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 17, 1999 pamho, :Are we talking about deity worship here, or general ekadasi standards? :Here's the question which prompted this whole discussion: : :> Can someone please tell me whether we can use the following on Ekadasi: :> Cumin seeds(jeera) :> mustard seeds :> sesame seeds. :> :> Happy cooking, I must apologise for creating such a dissention, it was supposed to be a simple query, as here, in our temple, no spices are used in ekadasi, while in another temple (still in Fiji) all spices are used. The reason why I asked about sesame seeds: my sister, a bhaktin made ekadasi prasadam one day, and she put sesame seeds in the carrot halwa, and I after I honoured prasdam, I found out, and freaked out, as I thought they were grains. I hope this helps. Thanks from both sides. I've certainly made up my mind. I pray that may all your cooking endeavours be successful your servant Sravaniya Devi Dasi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
