querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

[Guest guest]

Hi all

  if any one tell me about the kaal sarpa yoga (full and partial)

  and also the consequences because there is allot of confusion regarding this

  

  regards

  mrityunjay

 

 

Mrityunjay kumar pathak

just a look on this!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dear Mrtyunjay,

 

There's a lot of confusion because this (yoga?) is not mentioned in any classical literature. The nodes, rightly so, have not been given the same status as the physical planets. The sages tell us simply that the influence of these non-physical/shadowy planets is confined to the house they occupy and the planet(s) they conjoin.

 

If you (or anyone else) have some example charts with this yoga we could take a look at them. It's much easier to explain a point with an example, don't you think?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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[Guest guest]

Name:" mrityunjay pathajk

  I myself is kaal sarpi

  date of birth 14-july-1979

  time 17:10

  place DEORIA(INDIA)

  please have a look

 

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

  Dear Mrtyunjay,

 

There's a lot of confusion because this (yoga?) is not mentioned in any classical literature. The nodes, rightly so, have not been given the same status as the physical planets. The sages tell us simply that the influence of these non-physical/shadowy planets is confined to the house they occupy and the planet(s) they conjoin.

 

If you (or anyone else) have some example charts with this yoga we could take a look at them. It's much easier to explain a point with an example, don't you think?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mrityunjay,

 

 

I'm sending a bit about this as I have just been reading of it in "RAhu and

Ketu, (Moon's Nodes) in Predictive Astrology," by Manik Chand Jain. Wendy

will be able to give you more perhaps, but she is also away from the

computer now over the weekend.

 

 

As both you and Wendy have said, there is a lot of confusion regarding this.

This author has written, "Different scholars have given different versions

as to the formation of this Kalasarpa Yoga. We have come to the following

conclusions after our research and experiments." He then lists the

following:

 

1.      The planets should be hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu and not in

between Ketu and Rahu.

2.      From the ascendant, Rahu must be in the first six houses and Ketu in

the remaining houses.

3.      Kalasarpa Yoga is saved, if at least one planet is outside the

Rahu/Ketu axis.

4.      There is no Kalasarpa Yoga if there is any planet with Rahu or Ketu

though it may be between Rahu and Ketu axis. For example, if Rahu is 15

degrees Libra and Moon is 28 degrees Libra in chart, there is no Kalasarpa

Yoga as these two planets fall in the same sign. Similarly, if Ketu is 23

degrees Sagittarius and Saturn is 11 degrees Sagittarius, there is no yoga

present. Yoga present by the combination of Rahu or Ketu with a planet will

operate independently.

 

 

Given the above, Mrityunjay, you do not have this yoga in your chart. (PL

gives a couple of Deoria's listed. I'm using 79E56, 28N23. This gives early

minutes into Sagittarius Lagna.) I have heard many times before these rules,

# 3 and # 4 above, and in your chart Saturn is outside the axis at 17

degrees with Rahu at 16 degrees. If we follow these rules above, you do not

qualify for this for many reasons.

 

 

How do you think this has an affect on you? Separately from the Kalasarpa

Yoga, which you do not have, do you feel you are 'caught between two things

or being pulled in two different directions?' I am asking for my own study

and to see what is your experience, completely separate from the Kalasarpa

Yoga, but just due to the placements of your planets. As this happens on the

3/9 axis, what can you say about any issues you might note concerning those

houses? For instance, what is your experience with siblings? As your lagna

is also in Ketu star and Ketu sub, this Ketu in 3 house should indicate

things of importance in your life. Ketu himself is in Saturn's star who is

conjoined closely with Rahu in 9H, so again we're brought back to this axis.

Also the nodes are vargottam in Navamsa chart, this time though in 5th and

11th houses, which is also their placements if considering the zodiac's

natural houses in your Rasi chart as well, Leo and Aquarius.

 

 

Your chart is interesting also in that you have a number of planets close by

degree.

 

 

Kindest wishes,

 

Patrice

 

 

 

  _____ 

 

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of mrityunjay pathak

Friday, May 19, 2006 8:25 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

Name:" mrityunjay pathajk

  I myself is kaal sarpi

  date of birth 14-july-1979

  time 17:10

  place DEORIA(INDIA)

  please have a look

 

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

  Dear Mrtyunjay,

 

There's a lot of confusion because this (yoga?) is not mentioned in any

classical literature. The nodes, rightly so, have not been given the same

status as the physical planets. The sages tell us simply that the influence

of these non-physical/shadowy planets is confined to the house they occupy

and the planet(s) they conjoin.

 

If you (or anyone else) have some example charts with this yoga we could

take a look at them. It's much easier to explain a point with an example,

don't you think?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mrityunjay,

 

Even if this KSY was a valid dosha, you would not have it as Saturn is outside this (supposed) yoga...having passed the degree of Rahu 01°02'.

 

You might consider the fact that Margaret Thatcher, the so-called "Iron Lady" of British politics, and George W. Bush both have all their planets positioned between Rahu and Ketu. Not only have they NOT lead difficult lives, full of all kinds of miseries, their lives have been extremely successful...poverty is something that's been foreign to both of them even before they achieved political success.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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[Guest guest]

Dear Patrice,

 

Sorry, wasn't contradicting you...pressed the 'send' button before I read your mail.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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[Guest guest]

Dear Patrice,

 

//Wendy will be able to give you more perhaps, but she is also away from the

computer now over the weekend.//

 

Yes, I will be away from the computer Saturday and Sunday, but still Friday night here and I'm STILL playing catch-up with outstanding (off-list) mails.

 

Time now though to call-it-a-day and 'switch off'...'till Monday :-))

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dear Wendy and Mrityunjay,

 

 

Great that you are still here Wendy ;-)  Have a great weekend!

 

 

Thanks for giving these two examples of actual Kalasarpa Yogas. Interesting

in light of what the author has written further in this book:

 

".we have seen the persons having such Kalasarpa Yogas in their charts

having risen to high positions. Whether they could hold the position or not,

is a different story. We can say with confidence that the persons born with

Kalasarpa Yoga do come in prominence. It may perhaps be argued that

greatness manifested in such cases may be due to some other benefic yogas

and not because of Kalasarpa Yoga.."

 

 

Mrityunjay, I'm just sharing what this book says and don't have experience

myself with this.

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Patrice

 

 

  _____ 

 

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek

Friday, May 19, 2006 10:01 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

Dear Patrice,

 

Sorry, wasn't contradicting you...pressed the 'send' button before I read

your mail.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dear Wendy and List,

 

 

If you’re still on here, do you have a time for Margaret Thatcher?  I’ve

done a search of the Internet, but have not come up with a time. Data I’ve

found shows:

 

October 13, 1925, Grantham, England.

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Patrice

 

  _____ 

 

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek

Friday, May 19, 2006 9:55 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

Dear Mrityunjay,

 

Even if this KSY was a valid dosha, you would not have it as Saturn is

outside this (supposed) yoga...having passed the degree of Rahu 01°02'.

 

You might consider the fact that Margaret Thatcher, the so-called "Iron

Lady" of British politics, and George W. Bush both have all their planets

positioned between Rahu and Ketu. Not only have they NOT lead difficult

lives, full of all kinds of miseries, their lives have been extremely

successful...poverty is something that's been foreign to both of them even

before they achieved political success.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

>  Terms of Service.

 

 

  _____ 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Astrology chart Terms of Service.

[Guest guest]

Dear Patrice,

 

Still here :-)

 

The data I have for Margaret Thatcher is:

 

13 Oct. 1925 (09:00)

Grantham, England.

 

I haven't yet had an in-depth look at the chart so can't vouch for the T.O.B. This isn't the site where I originally found her data, but it gives the same data: Terms of Service.

[Guest guest]

hi Wendy and  Patrice

  

  According to me there are some parmnent problem may be it is physical or in terms of achieving the goals. i read some indian literature (HORA SHASTRA ) reagrding this and find that this a big DOSHA in some one's life

  As you said that KSY is only when planet should be hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu but may be than they contribute some positive energy in your life on the other hand if in between KETU and RAHU , they have some worst effect

  

  

  Please clerify the same as i had experienced it in my life

 

Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote:

  Hi Dear Wendy and List,

 

 

 

If you’re still on here, do you have a time for Margaret Thatcher?  I’ve

done a search of the Internet, but have not come up with a time. Data I’ve

found shows:

 

October 13, 1925, Grantham, England.

 

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Patrice

 

  _____ 

 

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek

Friday, May 19, 2006 9:55 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

 

Dear Mrityunjay,

 

Even if this KSY was a valid dosha, you would not have it as Saturn is

outside this (supposed) yoga...having passed the degree of Rahu 01°02'.

 

You might consider the fact that Margaret Thatcher, the so-called "Iron

Lady" of British politics, and George W. Bush both have all their planets

positioned between Rahu and Ketu. Not only have they NOT lead difficult

lives, full of all kinds of miseries, their lives have been extremely

successful...poverty is something that's been foreign to both of them even

before they achieved political success.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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[Guest guest]

i m sending my exact details

  

             Name:  Mrityunjay       Date of Birth:  14-07-1979        Time of Birth:  17 : 10        Place of Birth:  Deoria        Country:  India        Latitude:  26°  31'   N        Longitude:    83°  48'   E

 

  

  i m attaching my chart also

 

Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote:

  Hi Dear Wendy and List,

 

 

 

If you’re still on here, do you have a time for Margaret Thatcher?  I’ve

done a search of the Internet, but have not come up with a time. Data I’ve

found shows:

 

October 13, 1925, Grantham, England.

 

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Patrice

 

  _____ 

 

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek

Friday, May 19, 2006 9:55 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

 

Dear Mrityunjay,

 

Even if this KSY was a valid dosha, you would not have it as Saturn is

outside this (supposed) yoga...having passed the degree of Rahu 01°02'.

 

You might consider the fact that Margaret Thatcher, the so-called "Iron

Lady" of British politics, and George W. Bush both have all their planets

positioned between Rahu and Ketu. Not only have they NOT lead difficult

lives, full of all kinds of miseries, their lives have been extremely

successful...poverty is something that's been foreign to both of them even

before they achieved political success.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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[Guest guest]

For more details om KSY please refer to Appendix I of

"Three hundred important combinations" by Shri. B V

Raman. I have not found more info. anywhere else.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- mrityunjay pathak <mrityu_kec > wrote:

 

> i m sending my exact details

>   

>              Name:  Mrityunjay       Date of Birth:

> 14-07-1979        Time of Birth:  17 : 10      

> Place of Birth:  Deoria        Country:  India     

>  Latitude:  26°  31'   N        Longitude:    83°

> 48'   E

>

>   

>   i m attaching my chart also

>

> Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote:

>   Hi Dear Wendy and List,

>

>

>

> If you’re still on here, do you have a time for

> Margaret Thatcher?  I’ve

> done a search of the Internet, but have not come up

> with a time. Data I’ve

> found shows:

>

> October 13, 1925, Grantham, England.

>

>

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Patrice

>

>   _____ 

>

> jyotish-vidya

> [jyotish-vidya]

> On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek

> Friday, May 19, 2006 9:55 AM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA

> yog

>

>

>

> Dear Mrityunjay,

>

> Even if this KSY was a valid dosha, you would not

> have it as Saturn is

> outside this (supposed) yoga...having passed the

> degree of Rahu 01°02'.

>

> You might consider the fact that Margaret Thatcher,

> the so-called "Iron

> Lady" of British politics, and George W. Bush both

> have all their planets

> positioned between Rahu and Ketu. Not only have they

> NOT lead difficult

> lives, full of all kinds of miseries, their lives

> have been extremely

> successful...poverty is something that's been

> foreign to both of them even

> before they achieved political success.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> >  Terms of

> Service.

>

>

>

>   _____ 

>

>

>

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> removed]

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mrityunjay,

 

 

Thanks for sending this. Just to verify: PL gives this then as Deoria (UP)

Uttar Pradesh. In my ignorance I don’t know why some cities are listed with

a state in India, but not others, but I see that you are giving the

coordinates of Deoria in UP. Can you verify this to be accurate as your

birth place as this makes a large difference in the degrees of your

ascendant, versus the one I used yesterday, listed in PL as just Deoria.

 

 

Also PL is listing this as 26N31, 83E47, versus the 83E48 you have written

below. Just checking to be certain what is correct and if your reason for

having a different E coordinate is that you have information regarding your

exact location in the city - as your reason for having the 48 instead of 47..

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Patrice

 

  _____ 

 

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of mrityunjay pathak

Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:49 AM

jyotish-vidya

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

i m sending my exact details

  

             Name:  Mrityunjay       Date of Birth:  14-07-1979        Time

of Birth:  17 : 10        Place of Birth:  Deoria        Country:  India

Latitude:  26°  31'   N        Longitude:    83°  48'   E

 

  

  i m attaching my chart also

 

 

 

 

  _____ 

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrityunjay and List,

 

 

I have in the past seen this other way, between Keta and Rahu, versus Rahu

and Ketu, listed and read about it. It is given a different name which at

the moment I don't remember. Do you or perhaps someone else on list have the

name of this so I can read about it again? Also, I don't remember if what

I'd read gave this as somewhat a better or a worse situation from the

classic KSY. I've looked online via KSY and the articles I've found are not

giving any information on this.

 

 

Either way Mrityunjay, technically from what we listed yesterday, you

wouldn't qualify for this exact Yoga due to Saturn being outside the nodes

by degree. However, as your Saturn is so close by degree to this Rahu and

all other planets contained I'm sure your planets placed in this way would

be something we should look at for you.

 

 

Also, a lot of attention is paid to the planet which is the one outside, or

saving the KSY, which to me makes a lot of sense. Again, yours being Saturn.

I will write more once I'm able to find the name and read of the other Yoga

given for the direction of this in your chart.

 

 

I see that you have suffered this from what you've written below and you

feel it to be this Yoga. I just want to collect all the information first to

be sure to look at the chart wholistically and see what other things are

going on in your chart and perhaps contributing to your experiences.

 

 

Also as said earlier, there is so much confusion regarding this Yoga, but it

would be worthwhile to check this out and see what are your actual

experiences.

 

 

Kindest wishes,

 

Patrice

 

 

  _____ 

 

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of mrityunjay pathak

Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:37 AM

jyotish-vidya

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

hi Wendy and  Patrice

  

  According to me there are some parmnent problem may be it is physical or

in terms of achieving the goals. i read some indian literature (HORA SHASTRA

) reagrding this and find that this a big DOSHA in some one's life

  As you said that KSY is only when planet should be hemmed in between Rahu

and Ketu but may be than they contribute some positive energy in your life

on the other hand if in between KETU and RAHU , they have some worst effect

  

  

  Please clerify the same as i had experienced it in my life

 

 

 

  _____ 

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna,

 

 

Thank you for this post and direction to this book. I have just found a

place on the internet that also lists this book as giving information

regarding the opposite, Ketu, Rahu direction. I will look for my book here

soon. (Following our move, and still without shelves, I don't have full and

easy access to all my books.)

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Patrice

 

 

  _____ 

 

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama

Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:17 AM

jyotish-vidya

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

For more details om KSY please refer to Appendix I of

"Three hundred important combinations" by Shri. B V

Raman. I have not found more info. anywhere else.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

  _____ 

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna and Mrityunjay,

 

 

I have located the book -

 

Raman does speak of the opposite direction with Ketu at the front of this,

but doesn't give this a different name. He also states as important factors

to note: that in this Yoga, it is intensified if the Lagna is included

between Rahu and Ketu, and that the yoga can be considered as defunct even

if a single planet is with Rahu or Ketu, or outside the axis. He uses an

example in this book where it is a situation of all planets included, and

Ketu in front, and states this is not really strong due to this Ketu-Rahu

axis and Lagna is not included.

 

 

Raman is offering this information, as you said Krishna, in the Appendix

versus in the main text. He also says these are ".his observations in light

of my own humble experience."

 

 

Raman offers that KSY has its bright shades. And that Rahu-Ketu axis favous

rise in mundane life while Ketu-Rahu axis indicates elevation in spiritual

matters.

 

 

His final words on this are: "The overall assessment of the horoscope is

important. No single yoga, including KSY, is capable of marring or making a

horoscope. In our view Kalasarpa Yoga plays an important role in mundane

astrology and is not of much importance in individual charts."

 

 

Kindest wishes,

 

Patrice

 

 

 

  _____ 

 

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of Patrice Curry

Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:57 PM

jyotish-vidya

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

Dear Krishna,

 

 

 

Thank you for this post and direction to this book. I have just found a

place on the internet that also lists this book as giving information

regarding the opposite, Ketu, Rahu direction. I will look for my book here

soon. (Following our move, and still without shelves, I don't have full and

easy access to all my books.)

 

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Patrice

 

 

 

  _____ 

 

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama

Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:17 AM

jyotish-vidya

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

 

For more details om KSY please refer to Appendix I of

"Three hundred important combinations" by Shri. B V

Raman. I have not found more info. anywhere else.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

  _____ 

[Guest guest]

Dear Patrice, Mrityunjay and Krishna

  

  I have Raman's book on "300 Combinations" but I am at a lost to find anything on this yoga.  And, unfortunately, I can't seem to find my first Volume of his "How to Judge a Horoscope".  In the meantime, I do have Charak's book on "Yogas in Astrology", but he does not cover this yoga.  However, Ernst Wilhem's book "Core Yogas" does and also discusses Rahu and Ketu's  relationship  along with his reference to his "Vault of the Heavens" book on Rahu and Ketu and their activity and placement in a chart.

  

  It is late here and I have marked these passages so I can study them tomorrow and report here his detail findings.  If anyone else has these two books you may want to research here also.

  

  Just a note to you and the group to let you know, Ernst Welhem does go into this yoga and the Rahu Ketu relationship.

  

  Til tomorrow,

  

  As Always,

  

  Uttara

 

Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote:

  Dear Krishna and Mrityunjay,

 

 

 

I have located the book -

 

Raman does speak of the opposite direction with Ketu at the front of this,

but doesn't give this a different name. He also states as important factors

to note: that in this Yoga, it is intensified if the Lagna is included

between Rahu and Ketu, and that the yoga can be considered as defunct even

if a single planet is with Rahu or Ketu, or outside the axis. He uses an

example in this book where it is a situation of all planets included, and

Ketu in front, and states this is not really strong due to this Ketu-Rahu

axis and Lagna is not included.

 

 

 

Raman is offering this information, as you said Krishna, in the Appendix

versus in the main text. He also says these are ".his observations in light

of my own humble experience."

 

 

 

Raman offers that KSY has its bright shades. And that Rahu-Ketu axis favous

rise in mundane life while Ketu-Rahu axis indicates elevation in spiritual

matters.

 

 

 

His final words on this are: "The overall assessment of the horoscope is

important. No single yoga, including KSY, is capable of marring or making a

horoscope. In our view Kalasarpa Yoga plays an important role in mundane

astrology and is not of much importance in individual charts."

 

 

 

Kindest wishes,

 

Patrice

 

 

 

 

 

  _____ 

 

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of Patrice Curry

Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:57 PM

jyotish-vidya

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

 

Dear Krishna,

 

 

 

Thank you for this post and direction to this book. I have just found a

place on the internet that also lists this book as giving information

regarding the opposite, Ketu, Rahu direction. I will look for my book here

soon. (Following our move, and still without shelves, I don't have full and

easy access to all my books.)

 

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Patrice

 

 

 

  _____ 

 

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama

Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:17 AM

jyotish-vidya

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

 

For more details om KSY please refer to Appendix I of

"Three hundred important combinations" by Shri. B V

Raman. I have not found more info. anywhere else.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

  _____ 

[Guest guest]

Dear Uttara,

 

 

Raman has this in Appendix 1, 'A Note On Kala Sarpa Yoga' in the back of the

book.  - I didn't see it at first either, but found it after looking again

at Krishna's note that it was in Appendix 1.

 

 

This must be Raman's way of showing that this Yoga does not find a place in

the classical astrological literature, and yet is a Yoga that is discussed

in current times.

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Patrice

 

 

  _____ 

 

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of Uttara

Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:23 AM

jyotish-vidya

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

Dear Patrice, Mrityunjay and Krishna

  

  I have Raman's book on "300 Combinations" but I am at a lost to find

anything on this yoga.  And, unfortunately, I can't seem to find my first

Volume of his "How to Judge a Horoscope".  In the meantime, I do have

Charak's book on "Yogas in Astrology", but he does not cover this yoga.

However, Ernst Wilhem's book "Core Yogas" does and also discusses Rahu and

Ketu's  relationship  along with his reference to his "Vault of the Heavens"

book on Rahu and Ketu and their activity and placement in a chart.

  

  It is late here and I have marked these passages so I can study them

tomorrow and report here his detail findings.  If anyone else has these two

books you may want to research here also.

  

  Just a note to you and the group to let you know, Ernst Welhem does go

into this yoga and the Rahu Ketu relationship.

  

  Til tomorrow,

  

  As Always,

  

  Uttara

 

 

 

 

  _____ 

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Patrice.

  

  As Always,

  

  Uttara

 

Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote:

  Dear Uttara,

 

 

 

Raman has this in Appendix 1, 'A Note On Kala Sarpa Yoga' in the back of the

book.  - I didn't see it at first either, but found it after looking again

at Krishna's note that it was in Appendix 1.

 

 

 

This must be Raman's way of showing that this Yoga does not find a place in

the classical astrological literature, and yet is a Yoga that is discussed

in current times.

 

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Patrice

 

 

 

  _____ 

 

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of Uttara

Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:23 AM

jyotish-vidya

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

 

Dear Patrice, Mrityunjay and Krishna

  

  I have Raman's book on "300 Combinations" but I am at a lost to find

anything on this yoga.  And, unfortunately, I can't seem to find my first

Volume of his "How to Judge a Horoscope".  In the meantime, I do have

Charak's book on "Yogas in Astrology", but he does not cover this yoga.

However, Ernst Wilhem's book "Core Yogas" does and also discusses Rahu and

Ketu's  relationship  along with his reference to his "Vault of the Heavens"

book on Rahu and Ketu and their activity and placement in a chart.

  

  It is late here and I have marked these passages so I can study them

tomorrow and report here his detail findings.  If anyone else has these two

books you may want to research here also.

  

  Just a note to you and the group to let you know, Ernst Welhem does go

into this yoga and the Rahu Ketu relationship.

  

  Til tomorrow,

  

  As Always,

  

  Uttara

 

 

 

 

  _____ 

[Guest guest]

Dear Patrice,

  I have an article by Pandit R. Dakshinamoorthi about Kala Sarpa Yoga and its variant, the Kala Amrita (or Amruta) Yoga with example charts which runs to about 6 to 7 pages.

  If Wendy ji has no objection I could have that forwarded to the list so that everyone can have the benefit of studying same.

  

  David

 

           

 

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Dear David,

 

I would like to look at it. If you don't send it to

the list, please send it to me alone.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

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> Dear Patrice,

>   I have an article by Pandit R. Dakshinamoorthi

> about Kala Sarpa Yoga and its variant, the Kala

> Amrita (or Amruta) Yoga with example charts which

> runs to about 6 to 7 pages.

>   If Wendy ji has no objection I could have that

> forwarded to the list so that everyone can have the

> benefit of studying same.

>   

>   David

>

>            

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear David,

 

You can upload the article in the 'files' section if you wish.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

 

-

David Andrews

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:03 PM

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

Dear Patrice,

  I have an article by Pandit R. Dakshinamoorthi about Kala Sarpa Yoga and its variant, the Kala Amrita (or Amruta) Yoga with example charts which runs to about 6 to 7 pages.

  If Wendy ji has no objection I could have that forwarded to the list so that everyone can have the benefit of studying same.

  

  David

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrityunjay,

 

//Please clerify the same as i had experienced it in my life//

 

What makes you think your experience is due to KSY?

 

The problem with focusing on these (popularist) yogas is that we can lose sight of the effects of dasa lords as they're manifesting in our lives. Please note your dasa lord Mercury in 8th house. 10th lord Mercury, in sign of great enemy in 8th, is also inimicably disposed to lagna lord Jupiter...great enemy of Jupiter!

 

Emphasise should be given to the operating dasas/transits rather than to these yogas that have been popularised in books of modern authors.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

 

-

mrityunjay pathak

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:37 PM

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

 

 

hi Wendy and  Patrice

  

  According to me there are some parmnent problem may be it is physical or in terms of achieving the goals. i read some indian literature (HORA SHASTRA ) reagrding this and find that this a big DOSHA in some one's life

  As you said that KSY is only when planet should be hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu but may be than they contribute some positive energy in your life on the other hand if in between KETU and RAHU , they have some worst effect

    

  Please clerify the same as i had experienced it in my life

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy ji,

  Here's the article  and you may have it loaded into the files section as I do not have the know how to have it done.

  

  David

  

  Shri. David:

 

I thought I will include an article written by me and published in

EXpress Star Teller 3 years back on Kala Sarpa yoga or rather "Kala

amruta yoga", i.e. how KSY becomes benefic in some horoscopes.

 

"KAALA AMRUTA YOGA - The nectar bestowed by the Nodes!

                                     By Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

INTRODUCTION: Kaala Amruta Yoga is a variation of the dreaded Kaala

Sarpa Yoga.  Whereas Kaala Sarpa Yoga gives rise to hardships,

struggles and failures in life of the native, Kaala Amruta Yoga

enhances the good luck of the native conferring upon him intelligence,

wealth and fame. It is a real challenge for an astrologer to determine

whether it is kaala sarpa yoga or kala Amruta yoga that is actually

operating in a nativity.  Unless we properly understand the principle

behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga, Kaala Amruta Yoga can never be properly

understood. So we shall first analyse the rationale behind Kaala Sarpa

Yoga before discussing Kaala Amruta Yoga.

 

     Though there is no mention of either Kaala Sarpa Yoga or Kaala

Amruta Yoga in the classical works on astrology like Brihat Jatakam,

Satyachayeeyam, Jatakaabharanam, Jaataka Alangaram, Phaladeepika, etc

.., there are allegorical references to these in Nadi Astrological

works.  The basic principle behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga is the well-known

astrological canon that a house or planet prospers if the house of

planet is hemmed in between benefics, and suffer if the planet or

house is hemmed in between malefics. Naturally, when all the planets

are hemmed in between malefics like Rahu and Ketu, the nativity is

spoiled as a whole! This is the logic behind the dreaded Kaala Sarpa

Yoga.

 

Some astrologers are of the opinion that kala Sarpa yoga arises only

if all the planets are hemmed in between Raahu and Ketu (Check from

Rahu to Ketu in a clockwise fashion in South-Indian style charts) and

if all planets are hemmed in between Ketu and Raahu (check from Ketu

to Rahu in clockwise fashion) Kaala Amruta Yoga arises which is highly

beneficial. However, this view is not accepted by the notable

astrologer Dr.B.V.Raman (of revered memory - a renown astrologer and

the founder-editor of THE ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE) who opines that Kaala

Sarpa Yoga arises irrespective of whether the planets are hemmed

between Raahu and Ketu, or between Ketu and Raahu. Again, Dr.B.V.Raman

is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the other axis while all

the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis, then the evil arising

out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised!

 

This writer also s to Dr.B.V.Raman's view for the following

reason: Rahu-Ketu axis indicates events in mundane life and Ketu -

Rahu axis indicates spiritual matters. If all the 7 planets are

concentrated on one side of the axis (i.e. between Rahu and Ketu, or

Ketu and Rahu) the result will invariably be a lop-sided development

of the individual which is not conductive for a healthy and normal

worldly life. If all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu (the

most commonly accepted version of Kaala Sarpa Yoga), the individual

faces much hardship in his mundane life and when he attains success in

life, he is so embittered that he becomes too materialistic or

revolutionary in his attitudes.  On the other hand, if all the planets

are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu (which also gives rise to kala sarpa

yoga though of a lesser intensity), the individual's life struggles

urge him towards renunciation, impractical ideals and spirituality to

the exclusion of the normal routines of mundane life.  In either case,

it will be a case of rags to riches and back to rags again partly due

to a strange twist of circumstances and partly due to the native's

stubborn and rash attitudes. Persons afflicted by Kala Sarpa Yoga

usually suffer a lot in their early years, invariably gain prominence

during the middle years by dint of hard efforts and usually suffer

from ill-health or even a sudden violent death in their later years.

 

The horoscope of Benito Mussolini is a classic example of Kala Sarpa

Dosha arising out of Ketu-Rahu axis (all planets hemmed between Ketu

and Rahu).

Benito Mussolini (Born near Doria, Italy)

Jul 29,1883

Time: 2:00PM  Zone: 1:00  DST: 0

 

Longitude: 16E00  Latitude: 41N00

Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:14  365.25 Day Year

 

As  00:59 Sc Vishakha   Ju Su  13:48 Cn Pushya     Sa Mo  16:51 Ta

Rohini     Mo Ma  20:55 Ta Rohini     Mo Me  13:18 Cn Pushya     Sa

Ju  26:18 Ge Punarvasu  Ju

Ve  29:20 Ge Punarvasu  Ju

Sa  15:22 Ta Rohini     Mo

Ra  14:56 Li Swati      Ra

Ke  14:56 Ar Bharani    Ve

 

 

Rashi Chart ********************************************************* 

*             *KE 14:56     *SA 15:22     *JU 26:18     *  

*             *             *MO 16:51     *VE 29:20     * 

*             *             *MA 20:55     *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

********************************************************* 

*             *                           *ME 13:18     * 

*             *                           *SU 13:48     * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

***************                           *************** 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

********************************************************* 

*             *AS 00:59     *RA 14:56     *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

********************************************************* 

 

Navamsa Chart

********************************************************* 

*             *             *  JU         *  MO         * 

*             *             *  SA         *  VE         * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

********************************************************* 

*  RA         *                           *  AS         * 

*             *                           *  MA         * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

***************                           *************** 

*             *                           *  KE         * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

********************************************************* 

*             *  SU         *  ME         *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

********************************************************* 

 

    The Kala Sarpa Yoga is not really strong because only Ketu-Rahu

axis is involved and lagna is not behind Rahu. But, the other

afflictions - such as

1)      The aspect of malefic Saturn on the political planet - Sun and ,

 

2)      the conjunction of the lord of ascendant with Saturn in the 7th

house gave a deep fall.

 

 

The end of Saturn Dasa gave a violent death and ignoble burial to the

native. The Ketu - Rahu axis involves the 6th and 12th houses, which

gives the astrological clue as to why he was betrayed by his own

trusted colleagues.

This is a classic case of rags to riches and again back to rags, and a

sudden end to life caused due to kala sarpa yoga. So, we cannot

presume that if all planets are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu, then the

native will enjoy highly auspicious results irrespective of other

afflictions. (This hyperbolic and fallacious assumption has somehow

gained currency among the lay-admirers of astrology!)

 

 

    

  There are certain conditions under which the Kaala Sarpa Yoga

mentioned above gets transformed into a benefic yoga (kaala Amruta

Yoga- also termed as Sweta Sarpa Yoga as opposed to kala sarpa yoga!).

 

1)      When Rahu and Ketu are benefics to the ascendant of a native, or

are under the control of benefics to the ascendant, there is

transformation of kala Sarpa Yoga into Kala Amruta Yoga. We know that

Rahu is the duplicate of Saturn, and Ketu is the duplicate of Mars in

bestowing results. So whatever influences prevail on Saturn and Mars,

must be construed as prevailing on Rahu and Ketu respectively. Thus,

if Saturn and Mars are yogakarakas for the ascendant, or are under the

control of benefics for the ascendant, Kala Sarpa Yoga gets

transformed into Kaala Amruta Yoga. 

 

2)      Again if Rahu is in Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Virgo or Capricorn

then Rahu bestows auspicious results, provided these signs do not fall

in the 6th, 8th or 12th houses. Under these conditions, Kaala Sarpa

Yoga gets transformed to Kaala Amruta Yoga.

 

The horoscope of the famous scientist and Nobel laureate Sir.C.V.

Raman is a classic example of a horoscope with Kaala Amruta Yoga.

 

Sir.C.V.RAMAN

Nov 7,1888

Time: Between 4-40a.m and 6-45a.m.(Tula lagna) Zone: 5:30  DST: 0

Chart calculated for the time 4-40a.m.

Longitude: 78E42  Latitude: 10N50

Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:18  365.25 Day Year

 

 

As  00:29 Li Chitra     Ma

Su  22:42 Li Vishakha   Ju

Mo  04:33 Sg Mula       Ke

Ma  18:31 Sg P.Shadya   Ve

MeR 10:29 Li Swati      Ra

Ju  17:56 Sc Jyeshtha   Me

Ve  23:20 Sc Jyeshtha   Me

Sa  27:32 Cn Aslesha    Me

Ra  01:24 Cn Punarvasu  Ju

Ke  01:24 Cp U.Shadya   Su

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

  

  

  

  

  Rashi Chart

*********************************************************             

                                                              *          

   *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

********************************************************* 

*             *                           *RA 01:24     * 

*             *                           *SA 27:32     * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

***************                           *************** 

*KE 01:24     *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

********************************************************* 

*MO 04:33     *JU 17:56     *AS 00:29     *             * 

*MA 18:31     *VE 23:20     *MER10:29     *             * 

*             *             *SU 22:42     *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

********************************************************* 

Navamsa chart:

********************************************************* 

*  SA         *  SU         *  MO         *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

********************************************************* 

*  VE         *                           *  RA         * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

***************                           *************** 

*  MER        *                           *             * 

*  KE         *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

*             *                           *             * 

********************************************************* 

*  JU         *             *  AS         *  MA         * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

*             *             *             *             * 

********************************************************* 

 

 

 

Note that all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. So, many

astrologers will decide that Kaala Sarpa Yoga afflicts this horoscope

.. However, the ascendant in this nativity is Tula (Libra) for which

Saturn is the Yogakaraka. Rahu conjuncts Saturn and hence comes under

the influence of a benefic for this horoscope. Mars conjuncts Moon

which is a benefic to this Lagna. As Moon is stronger than Mars (by

nisarga strength and also due to its navamsa position in exalted sign)

and hence Ketu - the agent of Mars is also under control of the

benefic Moon. So, in this case the encirclement of all planets by Rahu

and Ketu has greatly added to the auspiciousness of the horoscope.

Though on a cursory glance one may conclude that the nodes have

swallowed all the planets, this is actually Kaala Amruta Yoga and not

Kaala Sarpa Dosha, because of the benefic nature of Rahu and Ketu to

this nativity. Combined with the other strong points in the horoscope

like Mercury attaining Dig Bala (Directional strength due to its

placement in the Lagna Kendra), Parivarthana Yoga (planetary exchange

between Mars and Jupiter) and the lord of 4th house (indicating

educational pursuits) - Saturn being aspected by Jupiter, the native

enjoyed an unusually keen intellect that helped him attain world

renown. He was also a rebel in his thinking though this aspect of his

personality is not so well known.

 

 

"Great advances in knowledge came through questioning the orthodox

view"

-SIR CV RAMAN

 

This rebellious intellect was due to the influence of the nodes which

encourage divergent thinking which is very essential for scientists,

occultists and those engaged in research.

 

CONCLUSION:  From the above discussion, it is clear that neither Kaala

Sarpa Yoga nor kaala Amruta Yoga can make or mar the destiny of an

individual on their own merit. So, undue importance need not be given

to these.  For best or for worst, they contribute to the progress or

detriment of a native in combination with other benefic/malefic

aspects of a horoscope. Their presence in the horoscope guarantees

single-minded determination to an astounding degree.  So, if these

individuals turn to mysticism, meditation or constructive research,

they have the potential to scale great heights. Again, these persons

must consciously strive for all-round development of their personality

avoiding dogmatic views and over-fixation upon a single agenda in life

if they are to be accepted by others.

 

    

  

  

  

  

  Another interesting fact that comes to light on perusal of nadi

readings of horoscopes with either kaala sarpa yoga or kaala amruta

yoga is that many of these individuals are born with a heavy karmic

burden or karmic merit accumulated over the past three births! This

probably explains why events seem to unfold beyond the conscious

control of these individuals for better or for worse."

 

Hope that this article may be throw useful pointers regarding the

yoga.     

 

           

 

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