Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Dear Ash ji & Chandrashekhar ji This debate on Astakavarga and its importance during chart analysis is becoming really educative.I was scared to ask any questions due to my ignorance. But i think i may ask couple of questions of broad nature. Ash ji, I am glad that your system considers the Vargas as an inherent division within the Rashi,and it should be like that as per my humble understanding of Parashara.This gives me confidence and trust.Now you have said jupiter within the second navamsha,in cancer is samadharmi to Sun. As per my understanding ,any transiting planet will trigger the planets placed in a house ,their lords and also the lord of the transiting house.Thus when a planet transits say 3deg 20 to 6 deg 40, (as you have mentioned) in Cancer,it is also transiting navamsha of sun, w.r to that Rashi.Thus this transit will trigger Sun and also Jupiter,as jupiter is placed within that navamsha.Also this is an intense transit as far as the planet is concerned (exact navamsha). Is this the basis for Samadharmi? And i understand ,which planets transit ? will deliver such results has to be understood based on the values and the chart as a whole.Here the planets role,SAV and the individual points w.r to bhavas have a role to play.Am i right?.I am yet to learn the basics behind these. Now one question,similar to what Chandrashekhar ji has asked - Does this system account for the navamsha rashi relation ,while deriving strengths? For example if Jupiter is within capricorn navamsha,while arriving at strength of jupiter is this point considered?Does any Ashtakavarga system take into account varga positions while arriving at strength?Or does it mean, strength of a planet vis-a-vis temporal/natural relationships has to be understood/evaluated outside the relams of ashtakavarga, and then ashtakavarga principles have to applied on top. Kindly explain. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, Ash <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Chandrashekhar, > There is no contradiction. Maybe in your confused state you are making such assumptions. > > Firstly as you are very well aware that the chart must be looked as a whole. For that you consider all parameters and for that you have the entire worksheet. That gives the total strength which I have given for Sa = 10 and Ju = 11. Individual points of Sa = 1 and Ju = 5. These points are obtained in the SAV by Ju and Sa. Worksheet is derived from SAV. This part I do not think you will understand unless you study the method that is used to derive the entire worksheet. This part is not given in any book and that is what I mention so it will be beyond your comphrehension for now. I have given the website of Krushnaji and you can download the worksheet and study it and let me know. > > Now You have talked of logic of Sa = 1 and Ju = 5 but what about aspects ? What about 6th lord, What about aspects on Sa and Ju, what about if Sa and Ju rule any upchaya houses and the special consideratoins ? > > Have u just seen one points and came to conclusion that Ju is stronger than Sa ? > > If so then its the system that you use is causing all confusion and that 2 people using same technique of finding out strength are coming to different conclusions ? > > The strength given in the final worksheet will determin how the planets will deliver their results for all houses. > > If Guru is in say 3deg20 to 6deg40 in cancer it will become samdharmi to Sun in navamsa. So such a guru can step in for Sun if sun is unable to deliver the results. > > I agree with you. The system you are using to find strength there is no consistency. Someone studies the same chart and will say that Ju is stronger than Sa and someone else will Say that Sa is stronger than Ju. There is too many contradiction that exist in the system you study. > > Ashtakvarga has removed all these contradiction as the each planet is studied from 8 different angles. > > In the end I will say that its Parasara who said that Ashtakavarga is to be used by us people in Kali Yuga. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Ash, > I am now more confused than ever. You said " AS PER KAS ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN THEIR NEECHA STHAN AS 3 PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET IS WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3 OTHER HOUSES STRONG AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM STRONG. SO OVERALL ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND BECOME MORE THAN 12.". So by this logic would not Saturn who has only one point be stronger than Jupiter who has 4 points? > If you are using Vimshottary Dashas as you stated, then to the best of my understanding Planets who are Neecha give more of their malefic nature results than had they been in Uccha. Is a different Vimshottary dasha system being used here? Again you say that strength of Navamsha and Rasi are equal in your system. Vedic Jyotish tells us that Navamsha strength overrules Rasi strength. For example a planet exalted in Rasi but debilitated in Navamsha can only give results as if debilitated and one debilitated in Rasi if exalted in Navamsha shall give results as if exalted. Since the system is totally different from what is known as Vedic Jyotish in the parameters used, I do not think we can agree to the way we look at the strengths of planets. There are many such contradictions and I am only pointing out two of them as illustrations. > Regards, > > Ash wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, > My answers in CAPS. > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > I did not use Ashtakavarga to indicate timing of events at all but only to illustrate a point from a different angle. My intention was to illustrate that Jupiter's position has not strengthened the Bhava under consideration. If I remember right even that was in response to somebody's response mentioning Ashtakavarga Points. > > ASH : I AM ALSO ILLUSTRATING THE POINTS BUT FROM THE VIEW POINT OF ASHTAKVARGA OR ONE CAN SAY THAT I AM USING THE TOOL OF ASHTAKVARGA TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. IF YOU SAY THAT BASED ON THE RELATIVE POSITIONING OF GURU AND SHANI YOU HAVE COMPARED THE STRENGTH OF BOTH AND THE END RESULT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT GURU IS WEAKER THAN SHANI THEN FROM THE ASHTAKVARGA VIEW POINT ITS NOT MATCHING. SINCE ASHTAKVARGA IS CONSIDERING ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT TO EACH OTHER AND ALSO FROM LAGNA USING ASHTAVARGA AS A TOOL I DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. SAV TAKES CARE OF THAT FROM ALL 8 ANGLES. > > > I fail to understand how strength is on the one hand calculated on placement of bindus are considered to be the final strengths and in the same breath said to be arrived at based on a system which takes into consideration Navamsha strengths. Again how can a system that considers Navamsha strength for only a specific purpose like delays be said to apply all the principles of Vedic astrology? > > ASH : THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM. THE FINAL STRENGTH IS DERIVED FROM SAV AS THE BASE. THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF TIMING IS USING UPCHAYA HOUSES, ASPECTS ON PLANET AND PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE, 4:10 RELATIONSHIPS, WE DO NOT CONSIDER BENEFIC ASPECT OF 6TH LORD OR 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND SPECIAL CONSIDERATION TO 10TH LORD FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO 6TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS (IN SHORT UPCAHYA HOUSES). THIS IS ALL DONE TO THE SAV POINTS. SO THE FINAL POINTS THAT ONE GETS AND JUST TO CLARIFY WHICH IS THE WORKSHEET THAT I HAD REPRODUCED ON ALL THE STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE STRENGTH AT A GLANCE IS FINALLY ARRIVED AT. THAT IS THE FINAL STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. BASED ON THIS STRENGTH YOU CAN USE IT ALONG WITH VIMSHOTTARI DASHA STARTING FROM MOON ONLY WILL GIVE HOW THE ANTRA WILL DELIVER RESULTS FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT YOU CAN SEE AT A GLANCE. I BELEIVE YOU ALSO AGREE THAT THE ANY ANTRA WORKS FOR ALL 12 HOUSES > AT THE SAME TIME MAYBE GIVING GOOD RESAULT FOR SOME HOUSES AND MAYBE MALEFIC FOR SOME OTHER. > > THIS WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO HONE INTO WHEN I ASKED YOU FOR WHICH HOUSE IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR ? FOR 7TH HOUSE ALSO BOTH HAVE LESS THAN 12 POINTS SO BOTH ARE NOT CONDUSIVE TO 12TH HOSUE MATTERS HOWEVER IF U COMPARE BOTH GURU IS STRONGER THAN SHANI FOR 7TH HOSUE MATTERS. FOR 10TH HOUSE MATTERS GURU IS FAR STRONGER THAN SHANI. I WILL REVERT TO THE POINTS MISCONCEPTION BELOW. > > Is the confusion on account of trying to analyze timing of events vis-a-vis the strengths of Bhavas and the Grahas? Or is it due to my inability to convey my meaning or understanding yours? > > ASH : HOW WOULD YOU TIME ANY EVENT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE STRENGTH. AS PER MY UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE USING ANY SYSTEM TRY TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. YOU CAN STUDY IT FROM SHAD BAL, YOU CAN STUDY IF ITS ATMAKARAK OR DARAKARAK ETC ETC THEN STUDY ITS AVASTHA ETC ETC THE YOGS ITS MAKING, IF ITS YOGAKARAKA, OR MAKING ANY MAHAYOGA ETC, STUDY IT FROM SUN/MOON/LAGNA/HL/GL/BL/AK/AL ETC ETC.. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT SOME HOW OR THE OTHER ONE PERSON WHO IS STUDYING THE CHART IS TRYING TO GAUGE IF THIS PLANETS STRENGTH TO SEE IF THE PLANET WILL DELIVER THE RESULT. SOME CALL IT FRUTIFICATION OF YOGAS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY ONE PERSON IS TRYING TO GAUGE BY FINDING OUT THE BAL IF THE PLANET WILL GIVE THE RESULT. THAT IS WHAT I CALL TIMING. PERSON ASK WHEN WILL MY DEBT GET OVER ? WHEN WILL I MARRY ? WHEN WILL I HAVE CHILDREN ? WHEN WILL MY HEALTH CRISIS GET OVER ? AND SO MANY SUCH QUESTIONS ARE POSED. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR TIMING OF EVENTS. > > WITH KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM I AM FINDING OUT THE STRENGTH USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM. WHEN I SAY A SYSTEM I MEAN I AM USING VIMSHOTTARI DASHA, UPCHAYA HOUSES, SAV, BAV, PAV, TRANSITS, CERTAIN SPECIAL LAWS LIKE GURU IN LIBRA, VENUS IN KRITTIKA, AADRA, MOOLA, JAYESHTA, SUN TO VENUS DISTANCE, SOME RULES ON SAV AND THEN FINALLY I GO THROUGH A TEDIOUS PROCESS OF CASTING THE WORKSHEET WHICH I HAD DISPLAYED WHICH USES SAV AS THE BASE AND FROM THAT THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED SUCH AS 4:10 REPLATIONSHIPS, ASPECTS ON PLANETS, ASPECTS ON PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES, BENEFIC ASPECT ADJUSTMENT FOR 6TH LORD AND 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO PLANETS IN UPCHAYA'S WITH > 4 BINDUS ETC. AFTER THAT I COME TO THE FINAL STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. AS PER KAS NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS AS COMPARED TO RASI. THEN WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF FINDING SAMDHARMI. WHAT YOU WOULD CALL, NAVAMSA DEPOISTER, NATURAL SAMDHARMIS I.E. VENUS AND SHANI , MOON AND MARS, SUN AND MARS. I BELEIVE > THESE ARE CALLED YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH OTHERS CHART. 4:10 IS THE MOST POWEFUL SAMDHARMI WHERE IF PLANET IN 10TH HAS < 4 BINDUS AND PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT HAS > 4 BINDUS. LIKE THIS ITS A WHOLE SYSTEM. EACH AND EVERY FACTOR IS CONSIDERED. > > THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS NOT EXISITING IN PHALDIPIKA, BPHS, TEXTS BY VARHARMIRA OR ANY OTHER SCHOLAR DESPITE ALL TEXTS MENTIONING VERSES. EVEN SOME VERSES ARE MISSING THAT WAS GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI IN HIS WRITEUP. > > WHAT YOU HAD SAID THAT ASHTAKVARGA DOES NOT CONSIDER SIGN PLACEMENT IS ALSO A PART OF THE ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM. HOWEVER WE DO NOT NEED IT TO TIME EVENTS. WE USE WHATS CALLED THE MULTIPLICATION FACTOR TABLE FOR EXAMPLE MERCURY IN VIRGO HAS MULTIPLCAITON FACFTOR OF 1.4 AND SO DOES GURU IN CANCER. SUCH THINGS GIVE US FURTHER CLARITY ON HOW THE RESULT WILL "FEEL" BUT IS NOT NEEDED TO TIME EVENT. > > THIS IS WHAT I CALL A FULL SYSTEM AND I KEEP SAYING THAT SO MUCH OF ALL THIS IS GONE / VANISHED FROM THE ANTIENT TEXTS. I HOPE NOW U WILL UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BY WHATS AVAILABLE ON ASHTAKAVARGA IS A FRACTION AND ITS USE AS A SYSTEM IS NOT THERE AT ALL IN ANY TEXTS FOR TIMING OF EVENTS. > > THIS IS WHAT I KEPT SAYING THAT THIS SYSTEM MUST HAVE EXISTED IN ANTIENT TEXTS WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH WAS TAUGHT BY HIS GURU AND WAS KEPT IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE. > > You are perhaps talking about Prastarashtakvarga when you say BAV, since in BAV I do not think a planet's BAV can get 10 or 11 bindus in that you mention in any Bhava. The maximum that might be received would be around 7. Use of prastarashtkavarga is for movement of transit planet in that planet's kakshya and the number of bindus received from the planet makes him a bindu pradata. > > > ASH : NO I AM NOT TALKING OF PRASTARASHTAKAVARGA. I DID ALLUDE TO THAT IN MY MAIL TO LAKSHMI. WHEN I TOLD HER THAT ONLY VENUS WAS GIVING HIS FAVOURABLE VOTE TO SHANI OR SHANI WAS MAKING A FAVOURABLE WITH VENUS. SIMILARLY I WENT INTO FURHER DETAIL TO EXPLAIN THAT GURU GETS 5 BINDUS AND WHICH OF THE 5 PLANET/LAGNA WAS SUPPORTING. I WAS NOT MEANING TO GO INTO THIS MUCH DETAIL BUT SUCH THINGS ARE USED TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL. THE 10 AND 11 BINDUS IS THE TOTAL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET AS THE FINAL STRENGH OF THE PLANET WHICH IS CALCUALTED AS I HAVE MENTIONED ABOVE I.E KEEPING SAV AS THE BASE AND THEN USING THE ASPECTS, 6TH LORDS, ASPECT ON PALNET ETC ETC. THE FINAL STRENGTH AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS TEDIOUS PROCESS WERE THE POINTS I HAVE WRITTEN. THIS IS THE FINAL STRENGTH OF ALL 7 PLANETS FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THE FINAL STRENGTHS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND ANYTHING LESS THAN 12 MEANS MALEFIC AND GREATER THAN 12 MEANS BENEFIC. 12 IS NEUTRAL. IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSAND THE ENTIRE > PROCESS IN WHICH I CAME TO THE 11 AND 10 POINTS FOR GURU AND SHANI FOR 7TH HOUSE I WILL REVERT IN A SEPERATE MAIL OR WILL REFER YOU TO THE APPROPRIATE TEXTS. > > I did not want to get into an argument where two different systems are being used. > > ASH : I AM NOT ARGUING I AM DISCUSSING. I AM TAKING YOUR EACH POINT AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN MY VIEW POINT. SO PLEASE DO NOT CONSIDER THIS AS AN ARGUMENT AT ALL. I HOPE OTHERS WHO ARE READING WILL ALSO LEARN FROM THIS AND THE EFFORT. > > However if you want to consider strengths on the basis of number of Bindus given by a Planet then would it not be relevant that Jupiter can get 56 Bindus whereas Saturn only 39 ? > > ASH : GURU IS A BENEFIC WHY ? WHY IS SHANI CALLED A MALEFIC ? IF YOU STUDY IT FROM ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ITS ALL IN NUMERICAL VALUE. GURU HAS BEEN ALLOCATED 56 BINDUS AND SHANI AND MARS HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED 39 BINDUS ONLY. IT MEANS THAT GURU CAN MAKE MORE FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI AND MARS. SO WE CAN SAY GURU IS BENEFIC AS 7 PLANETS AND LAGANAS WILL DISTRIBUTE 56 POINTS SO MORE CHANCES OF GURU TO MAKE FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI AND MARS. EACH AND EVERYTHING HAS MEANING. SUN HAS 48 POINTS. MAX POINTS A HOUSE CAN RECEIVE IS 96 AND SUN RECEIVES 48 SO ITS CALLED KRUR OR YOU CAN SAY ALSO ON BORDERLINE. > > Would this then mean that a debilitated Jupiter will be stronger than exalted Saturn in a hypothetical horoscope and still that would be application of principles of Vedic Astrology? I would not think so. > > ASH : FOR TIMING OF EVENTS ITS IMMETERIAL WHERE GURU IS PLACED IN WHICH SIGN AND WHERE SHANI IS PLACED. HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE. YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET USING SIGN PLACEMENT AND AS PER ASHTAKVARGA I DONT NEED TO CONSIDER THAT FOR TIMING OF EVENT. YES SHANI BEING PLACED IN LIBRA HAS MULTIPLICATION FACTOR OF 1.4 AND GURU IN CAPRICORN HAS MULTIPLCATION FACTOR OF 0.8. BUT AGAIN TO TIME AN EVENT I AM EMPHASISING THAT YOU DO NOT NEED THE SIGN PLACEMENT BUT INSTEAD YOU NEED THE FINAL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET. THAT IS ENOUGH TO TIME THE EVENT. > > MAYBE YOU HAVE NOT COME ACROSS A SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT USE THE SAME PRINCIPLES TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET THE WAY YOU USE IT. SO YOU MAY FIND THIS DIFFERENT OR I CAN EVEN SAY SHOCKING. YOU DO NOT NEED THE SIGN PLACEMENT TO JUDGE THE STRENGTH, ASHTAKAVARGA STRENGTH IS WHATS NEEDED. > > PEOPLE USING SIGN PLACEMENTS MAY INVARIABLY COME TO DIFFERENT CONCULUSIONS JUST AS IN THE CASE THAT YOU AND LAKSHAMI CAME TO. ONE SAYS GURU IS STRONGER AND OTHER SAYS SHANI IS STRONGER. WITH ASHTAKVARGA ITS ALL SHOWN BY NUMBERS AND THERE WILL NOT BE ANY ANOMOLY. ALL WILL COME TO THE SAME CONCULUSION. > > EITHER I AM NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OR YOU ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM SAYING. > > AS PER KAS ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN THEIR NEECHA STHAN AS 3 PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET IS WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3 OTHER HOUSES STRONG AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM STRONG. SO OVERALL ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND BECOME MORE THAN 12. > > IF PLANETS HAVE > 5 BINDUS THEN THE WILL SEND MALEFIC DRISTI. GURU HAS 56 BINDUS AND GENERALLY IF U DIVIDED THAT BY 12 EACH HOUSE GETS APPROX 5 BINDUS. SO MOSTLY GURU HAS > 4 BINDUS IN CHART. SO SUCH GURU WILL MAKE 1 HOUSE STRONG HOWEVER IT WILL REDUCE 3 HOUSES. > > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Ash wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > My answers in CAPS. > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > Even by your method of assessing strength from Rasi placement, Saturn is stronger is it not? > > ASH : PLEASE REFER TO THE POST GIVEN BELOW. I HAD WRITTEN A POST JUST AFTER AND HAVE SAID THAT IT WAS A TYPO. GURU HAS 11 POINTS AND SHANI HAS 10. YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE WORKSHEET I HAD GIVEN. BOTH OF THEM ARE MALEFIC FOR 7TH HOUSE MATTERS. BOTH JU AND SA ON THEIR OWN CANNOT SAY GIVE MARRIAGE A 7TH HOUSE MATTER IN THEIR ANTAR. > > vedic astrology/message/44680 > > The original thread had nothing to do with timing of events which you are reverting time and again. > > ASH : AGREED. BUT YOU DID USE ASHTAKVARG AND I AM GIVING MY VIEW POINT BASED ON ASHTAKAVARGA ON THE BAL OF GURU AND SHANI FOR 7TH HOUSE AND NOT ONLY 7TH HOUSE BUT FOR ALL HOUSE. I HAVE ALSO GONE AHEAD AND MADE A PREDICTION ON MARRIAGE AND HOW GURU WILL ACT AND SHANI TOO AS A PART OF MY ANALYSIS. I BELEIVE THE PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING THAT IS WHY I MADE A PREDICTION ON MARRIAGE SO THAT ITS JUST NOT THEORY BUT ITS APPLICATION. NOW I DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH OF WHAT I HAVE PREDICTED IS CORRECT OR WRONG. BUT IN MY OPINION THE WORKSHEET I HAVE GIVEN HAS CONSIDERED ALL FACTORS THAT IS NECESSARY AS A TOOL TO TIME EVENTS. > > Since, as I had said earlier, the method you are using is based on Ashtakavarga being used to derive strength of planets my comments on your arguments would not be fair. > > ASH : ANY WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT IT OR USING ANY TOOL GIVEN BY THE MAHARISHIS AS PER SO MANY TEXTS AND BY MANY AUTHORS THE END RESULT SHOULD COME OUT TO BE SAME. > > I have all along been illustrating what is the position per Vedic Astrology. I have already given the reasons why Saturn is with strength. > > ASH : I HAVE ALSO USED VEDIC ASTROLOGY. ASHTAKVARGA IS A WONDERFUL TOOL TO ASCERTAIN THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET WITHOUT ANY DOUBTS. ITS FINAL RESULTS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND IS CRYSTAL CLEAR. > > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > > THANKING YOU, > > CHEERS !!! > > ASH > ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > So when you said Shani is stronger then Guru you had meant for 7th > house only ? Is my understanding correct. > > As per the worksheet both Shani and Guru are weak for 7th house for > Ramesh. Shani has 11 points and Guru has 10. As per the worksheet > any planet having less than 12 is weak for the house. 12 is neutral > and greater than 12 is benefic. Now if you were to get down to nitty > gritty then I would say that Guru is stronger than Shani by 1 point. > > Guru is in namvasa of Aries and hence samdharmi to Mars and mars is > not condusive to 7th house matters being 6th lord. Shani is in libra > who is Lord of 12th house and primary upchaya for 7th house. Venus > and Shani are natural samdharmi. > > Both Sa and Ju are not condusive for timing of events for 7th house. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I was referring to your statement that verses not found in any > book. > > The reason that this is not clear to you is perhaps we are > wandering > > from original thread. For example you are talking about Guru being > > stronger for 10th house where as if I remember right, the thread > started > > about Jupiter being strong for 7th house as per Lakshmi's > assessment. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > The fact still remains. The BAV scheme given by Parasara is > different > > > from Varharamira. This is one point and this is factual. One of > them > > > is corrupt. I am saying the scheme Parasara has given has become > > > corrupt over time. The scheme Varharmira has given has been > preserved > > > in time. The two schemes cannot be different. > > > > > > I am not clear to which point you are alluding when you say that > my > > > information about Parasara and Varharmira is not factual. The > BAV > > > scheme given by Parasara is different from Varharamira. This was > > > visible in Ramesh's chart when you said using parasarsa BAV > scheme > > > when 7th bhava got 19 bindus and using Varharmiras BAV scheme it > comes > > > to 20. I am not going into other books. The point that I am > > > emphasising is that BAV scheme given by Parasara or Varharmira or > any > > > other maharishi cannot be different. > > > > > > Ashtakvarga has been commented on by many maharishis as you have > given > > > but the system of timing of events using Ashtakavarga is not > given > > > which I beleive was a part of Vedic Astrology was saved with some > > > families and not known to the world. > > > > > > About the part with which the discussion started is what I agree > with > > > you. There is a part of what Noname is also saying that I agree > with > > > however I beleive that Guru spoils the house its placed in due to > its > > > aspect on primary significator houses. By saying Spoilt I mean > it > > > will not give the result in his antra. Also Guru is generally > with > > > more than 5 bindus. Rarely its with < 4 bindus. The more > powerful > > > Guru is the more damage it will do by its aspect. For Libra > lagna and > > > Cancer lagna Guru is 6th lord and will be very malefic. > > > > > > In the chart given by No Names grand father also he commented > that his > > > grand father has Guru in lagna who is powerful and he took > sansaya > > > after early widohood. Again here a powerful guru is showing its > > > malefic aspect on 7th house. Again guru in lagna made no names > father > > > a famous and person as he was known for his knowledge on > samaveda. > > > Noname has not commented on the effect it had on 9th and 5th > house but > > > if his guru is very powerful. I am also not aware what the lagna > is > > > but this can be the sign of a powerful guru in lagna. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > It is good that you at least agree that "GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS > 5TH > > > HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND ITS A PRIMARY > SIGNIFICATOR > > > HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT GIVE RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN > > > GENERALLY." > > > This is the point from which the original discussions started. > > > > > > For your information much detailed interpretation of events > > > (Beyond what is explained in BPHS,a although based on the > > > principles therein) by Ashtakavarga is available in > Phaladeepika, > > > Jataka Parijata, Jatakadesh Marg and umpteen other > astrological > > > texts. So your information about only Parashara and Varaha > Mihira > > > is not factual. > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > > >> Dear Chandrashekhar, > > >> > > >> My answers in CAPS. > > >> > > >> > > >> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Ash, > > >> Ashtakavarga system is based on Bindus allotted to > particular > > >> houses for each of the planet with respect to its > position > > >> from the planet whose Ashtakavarga is being drawn. > > >> > > >> ASH : YES AGREED. > > >> > > >> > > >> The system you are using is based on considering the > > >> strengths of planets and the Bhavas too. This is the > system > > >> generally referred as Parashari or more precisely Hora > system > > >> which also encompasses the Ashtakavarga system. > > >> > > >> ASH : ASHTAKVARGA IS A PART AND PARCLE OF VEDIC > ASTROLOGY AND > > >> THAT IS WHAT I HAVE ALSO SAID. I HAVE SAID THAT THE > SYSTEM > > >> TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT GIVEN IN TEXTS AVAILABLE TODAY. > REST > > >> CLARIFICAITON BELOW. > > >> > > >> Ashtakavarga is primarily used to find out effects from > > >> Transit of planets and longevity as made clear in > > >> conversat/i/on/ /between Maitreya and sage Parashara in > BPHS. > > >> Ashtakavarga system is clearly defined in that text. > > >> > > >> ASH : THIS IS WHAT THE MISCONCEPTION IS. BASED ON THE > TEXTS > > >> AVAILABLE TODAY. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT ASHTAKVARG IS > USED > > >> ONLY FOR FINDING OUT TRANSIT. IS THAT WHY PARASARA HAS > SAID > > >> THAT TO USE ASHTAKAVARGA FOR INTELLECUTAL PYGMIES OF > KALIYUGA > > >> ? I DO NOT THINK SO SIR. THE SYSTEM OF ASHTAKVARGA IS > VERY > > >> DETAILED AND KAS AND VERSES OF ASHTAKAVARGA HAVE BEEN > BROUGHT > > >> FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH ARE NOT FOUND IN ANY BOOK > TODAY. > > >> IF YOU CLAIM THAT BHPS IS COMPLETE AND THAT ALL THAT IS > > >> AVAILABLE ABOUT ASHTAKVARGA IS FOUND AND CODED AND THERE > IS > > >> NO CORRUPTION THEN I WILL NOT INDULGE YOU ANY FURTHER. > > >> > > >> No doubt the system can be adopted to various other > > >> predictions, as it indicates influences on various > bhavas. > > >> Its various uses have been well documented in numerous > texts > > >> besides BPHS and the very short description of > Varahamihira. > > >> The assumption that its use is not mentioned for > different > > >> uses in any other text but the two you mentioned is not > > >> factually correct. > > >> > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS USING ASHTAKVARGA IS NOT > > >> GIVEN CLEARLY IS IN ANY TEXTS. THAT IS WHAT I AM > SAYING. > > >> > > >> Krushna has developed different parameters and as long > as the > > >> system delivers results there should be no issue with > that. > > >> > > >> ASH : HERE I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT KRUSHNAJI HAS NOT > > >> DEVELOPED DIFFERENT PARAMETERS AND THIS SYSTEM. HE HAD > > >> BROUGHT IT FORWARD. THIS SYSTEM WAS KEPT IN FAMILY OF > HIS > > >> GURU AND THAT WAS TRANSMITTED FROM FATHER TO SON. > KRUSHNAJI > > >> WANTED THIS SYSTEM TO REMAIN IN THIS WORLD. THIS SYSTEM > MUST > > >> HAVE BEEN IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE FOR CENTURIES. IF ONE > > >> UNDERSTANDS THIS SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS MAYBE WHAT AND > WHY I > > >> AM INDULDING YOU IN THIS THREAD WILL BECOME CLEAR. > > >> > > >> It is easy to say that Parashara and Varahamihira's > texts > > >> are corrupted, and they could be. But that does not prove > > >> that the bindus used are wrong especially as most of > other > > >> parameters that you mention are drawn from these very > texts. > > >> > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING ASHTAKAVARGA > IS > > >> NOT DIFFERENT FROM VEDIC ASTROLOGY. INFACT VEDIC > ASTROLOGY > > >> IS MADE CLEAR WITH THE PROPER USE OF ASHTAKAVARGA AND > KAS. I > > >> DO NOT THINK PARASARA LIGHTLY MENTIONED THE USE OF > > >> ASHTAKAVARGA FOR US PEOPLE IN KALI YUGA. A LOT OF > > >> ASHTAKVARGA AND SANSKRIT SHLOKAS HAVE BEEN LOST. THIS IS > > >> WHAT I AM SAYING OR KEPT WITH FAMILES TILL SOMEONE LIKE > > >> KRUSHNAJI COMES ALONG AND BRINGS SUCH TECHNIQUES > FORWARD. > > >> ITS A BIG CREDIT TO KRUSHNAJI FOR BRINGING FORWARD THIS > > >> SYSTEM WITH HAS MADE TIMING OF EVENTS SO EASY. > > >> > > >> It is well known that Varaha Mihira was influenced by > Greek > > >> astrologers and has adopted some of their methods, so the > > >> bindus that he attributes could also have come from them. > > >> > > >> ASH : ONE THING. BAV IS BAV AND BASIC SCHEME SHOUL.D BE > > >> SAME. ONLY IN BAV OF MOON AND VENUS THERE IS A > DIFFERENCE. > > >> PARASARA AND VARHARMIRA CANNOT HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. > > >> EITHER PARASARA'S SCHEME IS CORRUPT OR VARHARMIRAS'S. > AT THE > > >> END OF THE DAY BOTH MUST MATCH. SO ITS INFACT QUITE > EASY TO > > >> SAY THAT EITHER PARSARAS OR VARHARMIRAS BAV IS CORRPUT. > I AM > > >> CONFIDENT THAT VARHRMAIRAS HAS REMAINED IN TACT OVER THE > > >> CENTURIES AND PARASARAS BAV SCHME IS CORRPUT. IN ANY > CASE I > > >> WILL GO BY WHAT KRUSHNAJI HAS TAUGHT ME AS THIS SYSTEM > WAS > > >> KEPT IN HIS GURUS FAMILY AND HE HAS USED THAT FOR DECADES > > >> WITH CORRECT PREDICTIONS. SO ITS TIME TESTED BY HIS > GURUS > > >> LINEAGE. I AM IN NO POSITION TO MAKE ANY JUDGEMENT BUT > CAN > > >> SAY THAT I AM USNIG VARHARMIRAS SCHEME. > > >> > > >> Since you give equal importance to Navamsha and Rasi > whereas > > >> I go by the old time system of planetary strength being > > >> derived from Navamsha, it might not be possible for you > to > > >> follow my meaning and reasons behind attributing more > > >> strength to Saturn over Jupiter. > > >> > > >> ASH : I AM FINDING STRENGTH USING ASHTAKVARGA BUT FOR > EACH > > >> PLANET AND FOR EACH HOUSE. YOU ARE ALSO TRYING TO FIND > THE > > >> STRENGH BUT I AM NOT CLEAR WHEN YOU SAY SHANI IS STRONGER > > >> THAN GURU BUT FOR WHAT ? IS IT FOR EVENT OR ALL 12 > HOUSES ? > > >> JUST SAYING STRONGER IS VERY GENERAL. IF I WERE TO ASK > YOU > > >> IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH HOUSE OR 10TH HOUSE. > > >> THIS IS HOW I AM SEETNG THINGS. AS PER THE WORKSHEET > > >> STRENGTH GURU IS FAR BETTER FOR 10TH HOUSE AS COMPARED TO > > >> SHANI HOWEVER SHANI IS FAR STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH > HOUSE > > >> MATTERS. > > >> > > >> The question of strength of the two planets was raised by > > >> Lakshmi and I was responding to that. I so far as > influence > > >> over all 12 Rasis comment is concerned, Vedic astrology > does > > >> think that planets have influence over all Bhavas and > other > > >> planets and the way the results would manifest depend on > > >> their mutual relation. > > >> > > >> ASH : EXACTLY. HERE IN LIES THE ESSENCE OF WHAT I WAS > SAYING > > >> OR TRYING TO SAY FOR SO LONG. THE BEAUTY OF IS THAT SAV > > >> ALREADY TAKES CARE OF MUTUAL RELATIONS SO IT BECOMES > > >> IMPERATIVE THAT BAV IS ACCURATE AS SAV AS U KNOW IS > DERIVED > > >> FROM BAV. THAT WAS MY COMMENT ON COMPOUNDING OF ERRORS. > > >> THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU SAY THAT SHANI IS STRONGER THAN GURU > > >> CONFUSES ME BECAUSE YES FOR 4TH HOUSE SHANI IS STRONGER > THAN > > >> GURU BUT NOT FOR 10TH HOUSE. HERE I AM BEING VERY > SPECIFIC. > > >> SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOUR COMMENT ON SHANI BEING > STRONGER > > >> THAN GURU WAS CONSIDERING ALL 12 HOUSES AND THE MUTUAL > > >> PLACMENT FOR ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT TO EACH OTHER ? > IF SO > > >> THEN I AM VERY SURE THAT YOU WILL COME TO THE SAME > CONCLUSION > > >> USING WHATEVER WAY YOU USE TO FIND THE STRENGH OF SHANI > AND > > >> GURU I.E NAVAMSA, D CHARTS OR YOGAS ETC WITH WHAT I HAVE > > >> SHOWN IN THE WORKSHEET. THEN IF YOU COMPARE SHANI AND > GURU > > >> FOR EACH HOUSE WE WILL HAVE A MORE STRONGER BASIS FOR > > >> COMPARISION. BUT STILL JUST USING THE WORD STRONGER I > AM NOT > > >> CLEAR OR AM NOT FOLLOWING. THE QUETSIONS THAT COMES TO > MY > > >> MIND .. STRONGER FOR WHAT OR WHICH HOUSE OR WHICH > EVENT ? > > >> > > >> About not considering Navamsha strength, I am not able to > > >> follow what you are saying. On the one hand you say that > > >> these being equal you do not consider Navamsha in > worksheet > > >> and that you only use Navamsha to find samdharmi and on > the > > >> other hand you say that my contention is not correct/. > > >> / > > >> > > >> ASH : RASI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL STATUS AS PER THE > TEACHINGS > > >> OF KAS. NAVAMSA IS DERIVED FROM RASI. FOR THE STRENGH > AND > > >> WORKSHEET ONLY RASI IS NEEDED. IF IN CASE OF DOUBT YOU > CAN > > >> GO INTO D-CHARTS AND FIND OUT FROM THAT. I HAVE > DEMONTRATED > > >> WITH AN EXAMPLE OF RAMESH'S MARRIAGE. I WOULD HOPE THAT > > >> LAKSHMI WOULD COMMENT ON THIS PART. I HAVE NOT SAID > THAT YOU > > >> ARE NOT CORRECT. YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND THE STRENGTH > ALSO > > >> FROM NAVAMSA. AS PER KAS I FIND THE STRENGTH FROM > WORKSHEET > > >> WHICH IS FROM RASHI. FOR D-CHARTS I CAST WORKSHEET BUT > ONLY > > >> PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE. WE DO NOT CONSIDER ASPECTS > > >> PART. SO ONLY TOP PORTION OF WORKSHEET IS USED. WE > BOTH > > >> ARE FINDING STRENGTH AND I AM USING AV FROM RASI AND YOU > ARE > > >> PROBABLY USING RASI/NAVAMSA/D CHARTS ETC AND SIGN > PLACEMENT > > >> TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH. > > >> > > >> Again you are talking about timing of events and the > original > > >> thread is about Guru's capacity to harm the house > occupied > > >> by it/./ > > >> > > >> ASH : FOR ME THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF QUESTION. AS PER > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM PLANETS THAT ASPECT PRIMARY > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES I.E. 8TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS, 5TH > FROM > > >> HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND HOUSE UNDER FOCUS FOR EXAMPLE FOR > > >> READERS IF YOU ARE TIMING MARRIAGE THEN 2ND, 7TH AND > 11TH AND > > >> IF ANY PLANET HAS ASPECT ON THESE HOUSES THEN THEY WILL > NOT > > >> GIVE RESULT IN THEIR ANTRA BUT THEIR SAMDHARMI WILL GIVE > > >> RESULT AND THE EXCEPTION IS THAT IF THE PLANET IS LORD OF > > >> 10TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS OR 6TH THEN IT WILL GIVE. > > >> > > >> GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED > IN > > >> AND ITS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT > GIVE > > >> RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN GENERALLY. ONLY > EXCEPTION > > >> IS THAT IF GURU IS IN PISCES SO SUCH A GURU WILL GIVE THE > > >> RESULT OF TIMING OF EVENT. SIMILARLY FOR MARS. I THINK > ALSO > > >> SOMETHING SIMILAR IS SAID FOR MARS AS PER VEDIC TEXTS. > MARS > > >> ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND 8TH > HOUSE > > >> SO AS PER VEDIC TEXTS ITS ALSO SAID THAT MARS SPOILS THE > > >> HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. FOR SHANI IT DOES NOT ASPECT ANY > OF THE > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES WHEREEVER ITS PLACED SO ITS NOT SAID > TO > > >> SPOIL THE HOUSE AND WILL DELIVER THE RESULT IF IT HAS > POWER > > >> AS PER WORKSHEET. SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN NOTED IN TEXTS AS > JU > > >> SPOILS THE HOUSE IT IS PLACED IN AND SHANI DOES NOT. > MARS > > >> ALSO CAN BE SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE IT IS IN HOWEVER THE > > >> EXCEPTIONS FOR ALL IS IF THE SAME PLANET ALSO RULES 10TH > AND > > >> 6TH FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN IT WILL GIVE THE > RESULT. > > >> THIS CAN BE CHECKED AND I AM SURE IT WILL VALIDATE WITH > YOUR > > >> EXCEPTIONS. > > >> > > >> SO I AM NOT TAKING PART IN THE DISCUSSION AS FOR ME > > >> PERSONALLY THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCUSS. THE BASICS OF > SUCH > > >> THINGS ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR AND CONSIDERED BY THE RULES OF > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAVARGA SYSTEM. I AM VERY GLAD HOWEVER TO > SEE > > >> THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THIS TOPIC. > > >> > > >> ANOTHER THING, GURU IS A HYOCRATIC PLANET. WHENEVER ONE > > >> TRIES TO POTRAY GURU AS BAD THERE WILL BE RESISTANCE. > THIS > > >> IS THE POWER OF GURU. I AM SITTING BACK AND READING WITH > > >> INTEREST AND SEEING THE MAYA GURU CREATES. FUNNY ITS > EASIER > > >> TO BLAME SHANI FOR THINGS AND POTRAY IT AS BAD BUT > INFACT ITS > > >> SHANI WHO IS THE PLANET OF TRUTH. > > >> > > >> SUCH THIGNS ARE HARD FOR PEOPLE TO DIGEST AND YOU ARE > GETTING > > >> SO MUCH OF EXPLAINING TO DO. THIS ITSELF PROVES MY > POINT AND > > >> YOUR POINT ALSO. > > >> > > >> Anyway let us await Lakshmi's comment about your > > >> observation on Mercury Antar, though this is not part of > the > > >> original discussions. > > >> > > >> ASH : YES, IT WILL BE NICE IF LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON THE > > >> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH IF IT HAPPENED IN MERCURY ANTRA AS PER > > >> KAY. IF THE DATE IS GIVEN IT WILL BE BETTER. THIS WILL > > >> PROVE THE POWER OF THE PLANET AS PER WORKSHEET TO > DELIVER THE > > >> RESULTS AFTER FINDING OUT THE DELAY FROM RASHI AND > NAVAMSA AS > > >> BOTH HAVE SIMILAR STATUS AS PER KAS. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> THANK YOU FOR THIS DICUSSION, > > >> > > >> CHEERS !!! > > >> > > >> ASH > > >> > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> Chandrashekhar. > > >> > > >> Ash wrote: > > >> > > >>> Dear Chandrashekhar, > > >>> My answers in CAPS below. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Dear Ash, > > >>> I forgot that you are using Krushna's Ashtakavarga > > >>> system. In that case you must be using Krushna's > > >>> Ayanamsha. The system you are using is a > combination of > > >>> Ashtakavarga and traditional Graha Bhava Bala > system. > > >>> > > >>> ASH : THE SYSTEM I USE IS KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARG AND > ITS > > >>> PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY. I DONT KNOW WHAT U MEAN BY > > >>> GRAHA BHAVA BALA SYSTEM. IN SHORT WE CAN COMPUTE > THE > > >>> STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE AND > > >>> ALSO FOR ALL 16 D CHARTS. SO ITS VEDIC ASTROLOGY > ONLY > > >>> AND NOT DIFFERENT. AS PER KAS WE DO NOT TALK IN > GENERAL > > >>> TERMS AS SHANI IS STRONG OR WEAK BUT WE CAN GO INTO > > >>> DETAILS AS PER POINTS AND FIND OUT HOW A PLANET > WILL ACT > > >>> FOR EACH HOUSE. IN MOST CASES PLANETS DO NOT ACT > BAD > > >>> FOR ALL HOUSES. IN SHANI ANTRA AS PER RAMESH'S > CHART IT > > >>> WILL BE GOOD FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AS COMPARED TO > GURU'S > > >>> ANTRA FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AT THE SAME TIME FOR > 10TH > > >>> HOUSE MATTESR GURU WILL BE MUCH STRONGER THAN SHANI > AS > > >>> YOU CAN SEE AS PER POINTS. ABOUT NAVAMSA I SHALL > > >>> COMMENT BELOW. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> There is no harm in using it as long as results come > > >>> true. However it is not a different Ashtakavarga > system > > >>> per se. > > >>> > > >>> ASH : ASHTAKVARG IS ASHTAKVARG AND HOW TO USE IT IS > NOT > > >>> GIVEN CLEARLY IN ANY TEXTS. PEOPLE ARE UNDER THE > > >>> IMPRESSION BASED ON CURRENT TEXTS THAT ITS USED TO > TIME > > >>> DEATH OR ITS USE IS LIMITED TO TRANSITS WHICH IS NOT > > >>> CORRECT. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT I TRY TO SAY AND > > >>> EXPLAIN WHEN PEOPLE COMMENT ON ASHTAKVARGA AND ITS > USED > > >>> ONLY IN TRANSITS. THE WHOLE SYSTEM IN WHICH ITS > USED TO > > >>> TIME EVENTS IS NOT WRITTEN IN ANY BOOK OR CLASSICS > > >>> DESPITE MANY MAHARISHIS LIKE PARASARA, VARHARAMIRA > ETC > > >>> HAVE ALL MENTIONED ASHTAKVARGA IN THEIR TEXTS. > > >>> > > >>> I was talking about a different Ashtakavarga system > that > > >>> you had suggested exists. > > >>> > > >>> ASH : I HAVE NOT SUGGESTED ANYTHING OF THAT KIND. > > >>> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM IS A SYSTEM IN WHICH WE > USE > > >>> ASHTAKVARGA TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR > EACH > > >>> HOUSE. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY SYSTEM OUT THERE > > >>> THAT DOES THAT. RESULTS CAN BE SEEN AT A GLANCE. > FOR > > >>> EXAMPLE RAMESHS MARRIAGE MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED DURING > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA. MERCURY HAS THE HIGHEST STRENGTH IN > THE > > >>> CHART FOR 7TH HOUSE. AND IS LOD OR 10TH LORD FROM > 7TH > > >>> HOUSE. MAHADAHSA CAN BE THAT OF SHANI. SHANI IS > > >>> SAMDHARMI TO NAKTURAL KARAK VENUS OF MARRIAGE. SO > SHANI > > >>> MD/ MERCURY AD CAN GIVE MARRIAGE. THERE ARE 2 > ZEROES IN > > >>> BAV ONE DUE TO VENUS AND OTHER DUE TO MARS AND > MERCURY > > >>> SO RESULT WILL BE IN LAST SECTOR OF MERCURY ANTRA. > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA RUNS IN SHANI MD RUNS FROM 1983/11 > THRU > > >>> 1986/JULY. 3RD SECTOR STARTS 1985/07 THRU > 1986/07. I > > >>> AM NOT GOING FURTHER. IF THIS IS IN THE BALL PARK > ITS > > >>> GOOD AND ONE CAN NARROW IT DOWN FURTHER WITH SUNS > > >>> TRANSIT OVER STRONG SIGNIFICATORS FOR 7TH HOUSE AS > PER > > >>> THE WORKSHEET POINTS. MAYBE LAKSHMI CAN VERIFY > WHEN HER > > >>> MARRIAGE TOOK PLACE WITH RAMESH. > > >>> > > >>> Varahamihira does have a slightly different bindu > > >>> placement no doubt yet it is only different by way > of > > >>> allowing Lagna to have one more bindu of influence > for > > >>> some planet's Ashtakavarga. So it might not mean > that > > >>> other planet is getting a bindu less. > > >>> > > >>> ASH : THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT SCHEME > THAT > > >>> IS IN TEXTS TODAY AVAILABLE GIVEN AS PER PARASARA > AND > > >>> WHATS GIVEN OR PRESERVED FROM VARHARAMIRA. BOTH ARE > > >>> GREAT SAGES AND THEIR BAV SCHEMES MUST BE SAME. > > >>> PARASARAS HAS BEEN CORRPUT OVER TIME. THE > DIFFERENCES > > >>> IN IN BAV FOR MOONS PLACMENT FROM MOON AND GURU AND > > >>> VENUS FROM MARS. THIS HAS VERY DEEP MEANING AND > SAYING > > >>> FOR EXAMPLE IF VENUS GETS POWER IF IN 4TH FROM MARS > AND > > >>> IF VENUS IS NOT GETTING POWER OR A BINDU IF IN 4TH > FROM > > >>> MARS HAS A BIG DIFFERENCE. THERE ARE ONLY 337 > POINTS > > >>> AND IT WOULD MEAN THAT IF AS IN THE CASE OF RAMESHES > > >>> CHART IF HIS 7TH BHAVA GETS 19TH IT MEANS THAT THAT > 1 > > >>> BINDU OF FROM THE POOL OF 337 HAS GONE TO SOME OTHER > > >>> HOUSE. IF A PLANET IS IN THAT HOUSE IT MAY GET 1 > BINDU > > >>> MORE STRENGTH AND IT MAY CHANGE THE ENTIRE CHART. > IF > > >>> THAT PLANET IS IN 4TH FROM A MALEFIC PLANET (BY > MALEFIC > > >>> I MEAN A PLANET WITH < 4 BINDUS EXCEPT MOON) AND IF > THAT > > >>> PLANET WERE TO GET STRNGTH THEN THAT PLANET WOULD > BECOME > > >>> VERY STRONG FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT WOULD CHANGE > THE > > >>> ENTIRE COMPLEXION OF THE CHART. WITH ASKTAVARG WE > ARE > > >>> VERY PARTICULAR AND THIS IS NOT A TRIVIAL MATTER. 1 > > >>> BINDUS CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. > > >>> > > >>> I said 19 Bindus as the chart sent by Dear Lakshmi > was > > >>> in that format. Varahamihira has exactly 8 shlokas > on > > >>> Ashtakavarga and his is not a different system. He > only > > >>> has a different opinion about which places are > > >>> influenced by Lagna in case of some of the planets. > > >>> Parashara has, on the other hand, exhaustively dealt > > >>> with Ashtakavarga. > > >>> > > >>> ASH : THIS IS NOT TRUE. BAV SCHEMES HAVE TO > MATCH. I > > >>> DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BY SYSTEMS. THE > > >>> CORE AND BASIC OF ASHTAKVARG SYSTEM IS THE BAV > POINTS. > > >>> IF PARASARA IS SAYING THAT MOON IS NOT GIVING > STRENGTH > > >>> TO 9TH BHAVA WHEAREAS VARHARAMIRA IS SAYING IT > DOES. > > >>> THIS IS HUGE DIFFERECE OUT HERE. SIMILARLY MOON IS > > >>> BENEFIC IN 2ND FROM GURU AND VARHARAMIRA IS SAYING > THAT > > >>> 1 BINDUS STRENGTH IS NOT GIVEN. THIS IS THE > BASIC. YOU > > >>> JUST CANNOT SAY THAT THE DIFFERENCE OF OPINION IS > > >>> "ONLY". THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. IMAGINE A SYSTEM > THAT > > >>> IS USED ACCURATELY FOR TIMING OF EVENTS THE SAV > VALUES > > >>> FROM WHICH THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANEST AND FOR EACH > AND > > >>> EVERY HOUSE IS COMPUTED AND ITS BASED ON SAV AND > SAV IS > > >>> BASED ON BAV. IN THE LEAST WHAT YOU ARE SAYING > MIGHT > > >>> SURMOUNT TO COMPOUNDING OF ERROR. ACTUALLY IF YOU > STUDY > > >>> HOW ONE COMES TO THE POINTS THAT I HAVE DISPLAYED > IN MY > > >>> PREVIOUS MAILS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHY I > AM SO > > >>> PICKY WITH THIS DISTRIBUTION OF BAV AND STICKING TO > > >>> VARHARAMIRA. IF WE DIFFER ON THIS VIEW WE CAN > AGREE TO > > >>> DISAGREE. > > >>> > > >>> I have already given the reason I think Saturn is > > >>> stronger than Guru in reply to Lakshmi. > > >>> > > >>> ASH : YES, I DID READ YOUR INTERSTING COMMENT BUT I > WAS > > >>> NOT CLEAR ON WHAT YOU MEANT BY STRONGER. STRONGER > FOR > > >>> WHAT EVENTS ? DID U MEAN STRONGER FOR DELIVERING > > >>> RESULTS OR ALL 12 HOUSES. CAN YOU BE MORE > SPECIFIC. > > >>> WHEN I GAVE THE POINTS I AM BEING VERY SPECIFIC AND > > >>> COMPARING GURU WITH SHANI FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. I AM > BEING > > >>> SPECIFIC IN SAYING THAT IN GURU ANTRA RAMESH WILL > HAVE > > >>> MORE AUTHORITY AS COMPARED TO SHANI. GURU IS IN > UPCAHYA > > >>> FROM 10TH HOUSE AND WITH 5 BINDUS. SO ITS VERY > EAGER TO > > >>> GIVE 2ND AND 10TH HOUSE MATTERS. SHANI IS EAGER TO > GIVE > > >>> RESULTS FOR 12TH, 4TH, 11TH, AND 3RD HOUSE IN ITS > > >>> ANTRA. CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC. I DO NOT THINK > SHANI > > >>> IS BAD FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE AND NEITHER IS GURU > IN > > >>> HIS ANTRA. AGAIN I AM RESTRICTING THE RESULTS TO > THE > > >>> ANTRA. I THINK IF U ARE MORE SPECIFIC THEN WE > MIGHT BE > > >>> SAYING THE SAME THING BUT FROM A DIFFERENT VIEW > POINT. > > >>> > > >>> The reason it is not reflected in the table given > by you > > >>> is,as you have indicated Navamsha strength of > planets is > > >>> not considered in the system you are using. > > >>> > > >>> ASH : THIS IS INCORRECT. THE STRENGTH IS DERIVED > FROM > > >>> RASHI AND THE WORKSHEET POINTS ARE FROM RASHI ONLY. > > >>> NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS AS COMPARED TO RASHI. WE > USE > > >>> NAVAMSA FOR FINDING OUT THE SAMDHARMIS AND ALSO > DELAY. > > >>> ALL COMBINATIONS HAVE TO BE CHECKED FROM BOTH RASI > AND > > >>> NAVAMSA. BUT FOR FINDING OUT THE STRENGH OF PLANET > ITS > > >>> DONE FROM RASI. A WORKSHEET FOR EACH DIVISIONAL > CHART > > >>> IS ALSO CASTED. > > >>> > > >>> Using Krushna's Ayanamsha the Navamsha placement of > > >>> planets could also change. If you apply the strength > > >>> from Navamsha as given in the chart provided by > Lakshmi, > > >>> you will see my view point. > > >>> > > >>> ASH : IT WILL NOT CHANGE THINGS. I CHECKED AFTER > > >>> READING THIS COMMENT. IN BOTH CASES USING KRUSHNAS > > >>> AYANAMSA AND LAHIRI SHANI REMAINS IN LIBRA IN > NAVAMSA SO > > >>> ITS SAMDHARMI TO VENUS. IT WILL REPLACE VENUS FOR > THE > > >>> HOUSE THAT VENUS IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS. THE > > >>> POSITION OF MARS CHANGES IN LAGNA THOUGH. MAYBE IF > U > > >>> SEE THINGS WITH MARS BEING IN 12TH INSTEAD OF 11TH > YOU > > >>> MAY SEE MY VIEW POINT. AGAIN I AM EMPHASISING ON > THE > > >>> FACT THAT STRENGTH OR THE WORKSHEET THAT I GAVE IS > > >>> COMPUTED FROM RASHI ONLY AND SAMDHARMIS IS COMPUTED > FROM > > >>> RASHI AND NAVAMSA. RASHI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL > STATUS > > >>> AS PER KAS AND WE FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES FOR FINDING > > >>> DELAY. I HAVE DEMONSTRATED IN THIS MAIL REGARDING > > >>> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH WITH LAKSHMI. FOR THAT I HAVE > > >>> COMPUTED DELAY FOR MARRIAGE USING 2 ZEROES, AND > SHANI > > >>> ASPECTING PRIMIARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES FROM RASHI > AND > > >>> THEIR LORDS IN NAVAMSA AND USING WORKSHEET STRENGTH > I > > >>> HAVE COMPUTED THE TIME FRAME. IT WILL BE > INTERSTING IF > > >>> LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON THE SAME. THERE IS A SLIGHT > > >>> DIFFERENCE IN THE WORKSHEET. SOME HOW IN HASTE MY > > >>> AYANAMSA CHANGE BUT IT WILL NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE > FOR > > >>> MARRAIGE. HERE IS THE CORRECTED VERSION OF THE > > >>> WORKSHEET. MERCURY STILL HAS 18 POINTS FOR 7TH > HOUSE > > >>> AND MOSTLY ALL HOUSES. > > >>> > > >>> *Hse* *SAV Pt* *Su* *Mo* *Ma* > *Me* *Ju* *Ve* *Sa* > > >>> *1* 25 17 20 12 20 11 > 7 10 > > >>> *2* 23 9 16 14 22 22 > 14 12 > > >>> *3* 31 16 15 12 11 4 > 14 7 > > >>> *4* 26 11 17 7 23 7 > 10 23 > > >>> *5* 32 12 23 9 19 16 > 22 15 > > >>> *6* 32 18 16 18 21 5 > 8 11 > > >>> *7* 20 10 14 9 18 11 > 18 10 > > >>> *8* 19 22 12 9 25 4 > 17 10 > > >>> *9* 28 8 12 14 7 5 > 21 3 > > >>> *10* 34 17 13 7 16 21 > 16 4 > > >>> *11* 38 16 15 15 21 4 > 15 19 > > >>> *12* 29 10 14 11 9 8 > 14 15 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> THANKING YOU, > > >>> > > >>> CHEERS !!! > > >>> > > >>> ASH > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> Chandrashekhar. > > >>> > > >>> Ash wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi, > > >>>> There is a difference between a house getting 20 > bindus > > >>>> and a house getting 19 bindus as you are aware. I > > >>>> agree both are weak with 20 bindus being a stronger > > >>>> than 19 bindus. At the same token if a bhave gets > 1 > > >>>> bindu more it means one other house is getting 1 > bindu > > >>>> less. > > >>>> It also means that some planet has made a > favourable > > >>>> yog w.r.t one house and not with another. Is it > not ? > > >>>> I use Krushnas Ashtakvarga system as you are also > aware. > > >>>> In that SAV is the base from that we derive the > > >>>> strength of each planet for each and every house > and > > >>>> also for each and every 16 divisional chart. When > > >>>> casting the worksheet the aspects are not > considered in > > >>>> the D charts only the basis strength. > > >>>> The BAV values given by Parasara in my opinion have > > >>>> become corrupt. The BAV distribution scheme by > > >>>> Varharamira is correct. The settings are also > given in > > >>>> JHL software where you tick off the check boxes in > the > > >>>> lite version. If you use the option of > Varharamira you > > >>>> will get 20 bindus for 7th house. It would be > good to > > >>>> understand if you have intentionally used > Parasara's > > >>>> scheme of BAV or generally use Varharmiras > scheme ? > > >>>> To come to the final stength of each and every > planet > > >>>> for each house . > > >>>> > > >>>> Here is the final strength of planet for Ramesh's > chart. > > >>>> > > >>>> These are total strength of the planets and > derived by > > >>>> considering the following. > > >>>> > > >>>> 1) 4:10 > > >>>> 2) Addition of 5 points for LoD and LoE or 10th > lord > > >>>> and 6th lord from house under consideration > > >>>> 3) Planets in 10th and 6th hosue from house under > > >>>> consideration with > 4 bindus. > > >>>> 4) Planets aspecting primary significator house i.e > > >>>> Karak, phal and phalit sthans. > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspects on karak, phal and > phalit sthan > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspect on planets > > >>>> 6) Adjustment of 12th from house under focus > > >>>> 7) Adjustment of 6th lord. > > >>>> > > >>>> After meticulously considering all these factors we > > >>>> come to strength of each planet for each and every > > >>>> house. Like that we also compute strength for all > d > > >>>> charts but in that we only conider the strength for > > >>>> karak, phal and phalit sthan for each and every > house. > > >>>> > > >>>> You have said that Shani is stronger than Guru. > Here > > >>>> you can see both Shani and Guru at a glace on how > they > > >>>> will deliver their results in their respective > antar > > >>>> dasha. > > >>>> > > >>>> I do hear ya regarding the system not being > different > > >>>> from parasara. Actually parasara did give the BAV > > >>>> scheme but it has become corrupt over time. > > >>>> > > >>>> Here Jupiter is in 10th from 10th house so its > > >>>> foritifying 10th house and also Guru is with 5 > bindus > > >>>> in 7th house and in multrikon so its very eager to > give > > >>>> results for 10th house. > > >>>> > > >>>> If you see the worksheet you can see Ju is having > 22 > > >>>> points for 10th house and Shani has 7 points for > 10th > > >>>> house. There is a big difference in authority that > > >>>> Ramesh would have been bestowed in the antras of > Guru > > >>>> and Shani. > > >>>> At the same time if you see expenses v/s income in > Guru > > >>>> and shani and compare the 11th v/s 12th points you > can > > >>>> see more expenses in shani compared to Guru antra. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> *House* *Signs* *SAV* *Su* *Mo* > *Ma* *Me* *Ju* > > >>>> *Ve* *Sa* > > >>>> 1 Gemini 23 16 19 13 20 > 17 7 16 > > >>>> 2 Cancer 24 10 15 20 23 > 23 14 16 > > >>>> 3 Leo 30 9 21 9 19 > 11 11 13 > > >>>> 4 Virgo 26 7 22 9 24 > 14 4 23 > > >>>> 5 Libra 33 8 23 5 20 > 22 16 19 > > >>>> 6 Scorpio 32 16 20 21 > 24 13 9 17 > > >>>> 7 Sagittarius 20 7 19 5 > 25 17 12 8 > > >>>> 8 Capricorn 21 15 19 9 > 24 9 12 12 > > >>>> 9 Aquarius 29 7 17 13 > 11 14 22 9 > > >>>> 10 Pisces 29 13 10 -2 17 > 22 9 7 > > >>>> 11 Aries 40 11 21 10 26 > 14 10 19 > > >>>> 12 Taurus 30 5 21 10 19 > 12 10 20 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks, > > >>>> Cheers !!! > > >>>> Ash > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear Ash, > > >>>> Even with 20 points the Bhava lacks strength, > is it > > >>>> not? Saturn there however extends protection. > By > > >>>> the way I am not aware of any Ashtakavarga > system > > >>>> which gives differential value of Bindus/Rekhas > > >>>> based on Lagna of a native or placement of a > planet > > >>>> in a Rasi, aspects received by it and > association > > >>>> with other planets. May I know to which system > you > > >>>> are referring to and the weightage for these > > >>>> factors given in that system by increasing or > > >>>> reducing the Bindus/Rekhas. > > >>>> If you are talking about using other > parameters in > > >>>> association with Ashtakavarga then of course > that > > >>>> is a different matter and would not constitute > > >>>> different system than Parashara. > > >>>> Regards, > > >>>> Chandrashekhar. > > >>>> > > >>>> ashsam73 wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Pardon me for my intervention. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I would like to comment on Ashtakavarga. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 1) It seems that you have used Parasaras > scheme of > > >>>>> BAV. With > > >>>>> Varharamiras scheme you get 20 points in > Ramesh's > > >>>>> 7th house. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 2) For nodes are we know are not planets. > They > > >>>>> are used indirectly. > > >>>>> They are samdharmi to sign lord and nakshatra > > >>>>> lord. For natural > > >>>>> nature as you have said or quoted in numerious > > >>>>> posts Rahu is like > > >>>>> Shani and Ketu like Mars. Functionally they > will > > >>>>> be more like the > > >>>>> planet i.e. either sign lord or nak lord as > per > > >>>>> the points they > > >>>>> receive in their BAV. For example, if Rahu > is in > > >>>>> Gemini and nak of > > >>>>> punarvasu then it will represent Me and Ju. > If > > >>>>> say Ge is 3rd house > > >>>>> and in 3rd house Ju gets 5 bindus and Me gets > say > > >>>>> 6 bindus then Rahu > > >>>>> will act more like Mercury. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 3) With regards to your comment on > Ashtakavarg not > > >>>>> using sign > > >>>>> placement is not entirely correct. If used > with a > > >>>>> proper system the > > >>>>> sign placement can give idea on quantum of > result > > >>>>> and its not used to > > >>>>> find timing of result. For timing of result > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg, SAV and > > >>>>> total strength of planets derived from SAV is > good > > >>>>> enough to time > > >>>>> results effectively. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Maybe knowledge of Ashtakvarg that is > available in > > >>>>> texts today is not > > >>>>> complete and may lead to confusion. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg system used is an effective tool in > > >>>>> timing of events. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> A couple of points on Ramesh's chart. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 1) In Ramesh's chart there are 2 consecutive > > >>>>> zeroes one given by > > >>>>> Venus to 7th and one by Mars to 8th. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 2) Jupiter antra will be very eager to bestow > > >>>>> authority to Ramesh and > > >>>>> also for acquisition of wealth. Between > 1997/04 > > >>>>> thru 1999/10 Ramesh > > >>>>> might have been given a role of > responsibility. > > >>>>> Also a good time to > > >>>>> make investments and accumulation of wealth. > > >>>>> Lakshami can verify > > >>>>> this antra. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanking you, > > >>>>> Cheers !!! > > >>>>> Ash > > >>>>> > > >>>>> vedic astrology, > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > Dear Lakshmi, > > >>>>> > I think in Ramesh's case Saturn is Lord of > the > > >>>>> 9th is it not? He > > >>>>> not > > >>>>> > only associates a Kendra Lord but is also > is in > > >>>>> kendra being a > > >>>>> trine > > >>>>> > lord. He is also Lord of Navamsha Lagna > > >>>>> aspecting Lagna, besides > > >>>>> being > > >>>>> > placed in a trikona. Jupiter on the other > hand > > >>>>> is Lord of 2nd and > > >>>>> 11th > > >>>>> > in Navamsha and in 3rd house. I would > certainly > > >>>>> treat Saturn as > > >>>>> more > > >>>>> > powerful than Jupiter, even if in Lagna > Jupiter > > >>>>> appears to be with > > >>>>> > greater strength. But there too he is only a > > >>>>> Kendra Lord in Kendra > > >>>>> > associating a trine lord. Since we are > talking > > >>>>> about 7th house > > >>>>> would it > > >>>>> > not be right to look at the Navamsha > strengths > > >>>>> of the planets, > > >>>>> before > > >>>>> > coming to conclusion about 7th house? If we > look > > >>>>> at Ashtaka Varga > > >>>>> then > > >>>>> > SAV would rather prove my view point as it > shows > > >>>>> 7th house with 19 > > >>>>> > points. Personally I give more weightage to > > >>>>> Natal chart read with > > >>>>> > Navamsha. the reason is Ashtakavarga do not > > >>>>> consider effects of > > >>>>> nodes , > > >>>>> > neither do they consider house ownership or > Rasi > > >>>>> occupation > > >>>>> > weightage.Your opinion would be appreciated. > > >>>>> > Chandrashekhar. > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Om Gurave Namah > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > Namaste Chandrasekar ji, > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in own > > >>>>> house/moolatrikona. > > >>>>> Please > > >>>>> > > look at the ashtakavarga & bala of > Saturn. Who > > >>>>> is more empowered > > >>>>> to > > >>>>> > > protect the house, based on both strength > and > > >>>>> functionality, > > >>>>> Jupiter > > >>>>> > > or Saturn? I request you to ponder on > this. > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > Regards, > > >>>>> > > Lakshmi > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Lakshmi, > > >>>>> > > If I may point out, in Javed's case > Guru > > >>>>> is in own house and > > >>>>> in > > >>>>> > > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts Guru. > The > > >>>>> dictum is Sthana > > >>>>> rakshati > > >>>>> > > Mandah. Guru's exception to house > damage > > >>>>> occurs when he is in > > >>>>> own > > >>>>> > > house. > > >>>>> > > Chandrashekhar. > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > >> Om Gurave Namah > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> Namaste Pradeep ji, > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> I happen to know of individuals who > have > > >>>>> strong Guru in 4th > > >>>>> and > > >>>>> > >> 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has blessed > the > > >>>>> individual with > > >>>>> great > > >>>>> > >> knowledge, an intelligence that > borders > > >>>>> on genius and a rare > > >>>>> > >> inner harmony. That person, a devout > > >>>>> Muslim, is one of the > > >>>>> finest > > >>>>> > >> individuals I have ever come across, > and > > >>>>> he is very attached > > >>>>> to > > >>>>> > >> his family and mother and there are > no > > >>>>> problems what so ever > > >>>>> on > > >>>>> > >> the home front. This individual is > highly > > >>>>> esteemed in his > > >>>>> work > > >>>>> > >> environment and has all the comforts > one > > >>>>> could desire. > > >>>>> Infact, > > >>>>> > >> Guru in 4th is supposed to cast > > >>>>> sukhargala on lagna, which is > > >>>>> > >> good for the general health & > happiness > > >>>>> of the person. > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> The individual with Jupiter & Saturn > in > > >>>>> 7th (Dhanus) is my > > >>>>> own > > >>>>> > >> dear husband. We have been very > happily > > >>>>> married for nearly 20 > > >>>>> > >> years. My husband has prospered > > >>>>> remarkably after marriage. > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> I am posting the charts here. > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> I request that you also post the > charts > > >>>>> of the individuals to > > >>>>> > >> whom you were referring in your > post, for > > >>>>> our edification and > > >>>>> > >> discussion. > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> Regards, > > >>>>> > >> Lakshmi > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> */vijayadas_pradeep > > >>>>> <vijayadas_pradeep>/* wrote: > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> I have been trying to test the > > >>>>> principles taught by you > > >>>>> > >> related to > > >>>>> > >> guru in various bhavas. > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> When in 3rd always some > difficulties > > >>>>> for siblings.Even > > >>>>> when > > >>>>> > >> in own > > >>>>> > >> sign and in 4th,problems for > mother > > >>>>> and at home front. > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> When in 7th at marriage > front.When in > > >>>>> Lagna and not in > > >>>>> own > > >>>>> > >> sign some > > >>>>> > >> physical weakness and health > problems > > >>>>> in childhood. > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> Thus Guru tests the individual > > >>>>> thouroughly. > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> Also sages have advised that > Guru is > > >>>>> not favourable while > > >>>>> > >> transiting > > >>>>> > >> kendra houses 1,4,and 10th from > > >>>>> moon.Only the 7th kendra > > >>>>> is > > >>>>> > >> beneficial.(Is there any reason > for > > >>>>> this?) Only > > >>>>> 2nd,5th,7th > > >>>>> > >> and 9th > > >>>>> > >> are favourable.11th being good > for > > >>>>> all planets in > > >>>>> general. > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> Respect > > >>>>> > >> Pradeep > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> --- In > > >>>>> vedic astrology, > Chandrashekhar > > >>>>> > >> <boxdel> > > >>>>> > >> wrote: > > >>>>> > >> > Dear Anuj, > > >>>>> > >> > I am glad you agree with me. > As you > > >>>>> rightly said in > > >>>>> your > > >>>>> > >> message > > >>>>> > >> to > > >>>>> > >> > Razdan,a the dictum is pretty > well > > >>>>> known to > > >>>>> astrologers. > > >>>>> > >> There are > > >>>>> > >> many > > >>>>> > >> > shlokas to that effects and > charts > > >>>>> prove the veracity > > >>>>> of the > > >>>>> > >> dictum, I > > >>>>> > >> > have myself posted a few of > them > > >>>>> earlier. > > >>>>> > >> > Unfortunately there is a > tendency > > >>>>> to mix up terms like > > >>>>> > >> Benefic/Malefic > > >>>>> > >> > with the results a planet is > likely > > >>>>> to give. This > > >>>>> happens more > > >>>>> > >> with > > >>>>> > >> > Jupiter as people usually tend > to > > >>>>> equate it with > > >>>>> Deeksha > > >>>>> > >> Guru as > > >>>>> > >> his > > >>>>> > >> > name in Sanskrit is Guru. > People > > >>>>> tend to forget > > >>>>> Parashara > > >>>>> > >> telling > > >>>>> > >> when > > >>>>> > >> > Guru can act as Maraka and > want to > > >>>>> attribute only good > > >>>>> and > > >>>>> > >> pious > > >>>>> > >> > attributes to him. I prefer to > keep > > >>>>> my personal > > >>>>> feelings and > > >>>>> > >> prejudices > > >>>>> > >> > apart from application of > > >>>>> astrological principles. > > >>>>> > >> > Take care, > > >>>>> > >> > Chandrashekhar. > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> > nameisego wrote: > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Respected Chandrashekhar ji. > > >>>>> > >> > > Please accpet my pranams as > you > > >>>>> are the senior most > > >>>>> Guru > > >>>>> > >> in age > > >>>>> > >> and > > >>>>> > >> > > experience in this group. > > >>>>> > >> > > Your observation about Guru > is > > >>>>> absolutely right. > > >>>>> > >> > > Self had posted in this > group and > > >>>>> elsewhere an > > >>>>> article on " > > >>>>> > >> > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" some > time > > >>>>> back where it was > > >>>>> shown > > >>>>> > >> Guru's > > >>>>> > >> > > position in various houses > which > > >>>>> had been > > >>>>> > >> destroyed/troubled by > > >>>>> > >> Guru. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva > > >>>>> > >> > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau Shanih" > > >>>>> > >> > > This Dictum had been proved > by self. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go thro' > > >>>>> older postings and read > > >>>>> for > > >>>>> > >> yourself and > > >>>>> > >> > > check the examples that were > given. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Difference between Jupiter > and > > >>>>> saturn is, Jupiter > > >>>>> sucks the > > >>>>> > >> goodness > > >>>>> > >> > > of a house and gives fruit to > > >>>>> houses it aspects. > > >>>>> Saturn > > >>>>> > >> sucks the > > >>>>> > >> > > houses he aspects and > increases > > >>>>> the house it > > >>>>> occupies. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Tatvam-Asi > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > --- In > > >>>>> vedic astrology, PNRazdan > > >>>>> > >> <pnrazdan> > > >>>>> > >> > > wrote: > > >>>>> > >> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > >>>>> > >> > > > You seem to be extending > your > > >>>>> arguments against > > >>>>> Jupiter > > >>>>> > >> still > > >>>>> > >> > > further. > > >>>>> > >> > > > Firstly you said that Jup > is > > >>>>> ashub in houses it is > > >>>>> a > > >>>>> > >> designated as a > > >>>>> > >> > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 > > >>>>> based on the principle > > >>>>> of > > >>>>> > >> "Karka > > >>>>> > >> Bhavo > > >>>>> > >> > > Nasa" > > >>>>> > >> > > > . Now you say that it will > harm > > >>>>> every house it is > > >>>>> > >> placed in. > > >>>>> > >> Why > > >>>>> > >> > > this > > >>>>> > >> > > > animosity with Jup, the > hope of > > >>>>> millions believing > > >>>>> in Vedic > > >>>>> > >> > > Astrology > > >>>>> > >> > > > (in lighter vein). > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > You refer to some dictum > of a > > >>>>> sage, source was not > > >>>>> > >> given by > > >>>>> > >> you. But > > >>>>> > >> > > > take out any basic book on > > >>>>> ancient astrology. It > > >>>>> always > > >>>>> > >> speaks > > >>>>> > >> of > > >>>>> > >> > > the > > >>>>> > >> > > > benefic qualities of > Jupiter. > > >>>>> Somewhere it is even > > >>>>> > >> said, that > > >>>>> > >> > > howsoever > > >>>>> > >> > > > bad it may be placed in, it > > >>>>> will still try to help > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> > >> subject. And > > >>>>> > >> > > > this has been amply proved > by > > >>>>> our experience. > > >>>>> > >> > > > I am afraid. you will have > to > > >>>>> do some more > > >>>>> hardwork for > > >>>>> > >> convincing > > >>>>> > >> > > all > > >>>>> > >> > > > about your notions of > Jupiter, > > >>>>> the heavenly > > >>>>> Brahiman. This > > >>>>> > >> would > > >>>>> > >> > > even > > >>>>> > >> > > > mean a paradigm shift in > Vedic > > >>>>> Astrology. > > >>>>> > >> > > > Pran Razdan > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > --- Chandrashekhar > > >>>>> <boxdel> wrote: > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Reference to Leo was in > > >>>>> connection with what > > >>>>> > >> Shubhangi had > > >>>>> > >> asked. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Jupiter harming the > house he > > >>>>> is placed in is a > > >>>>> dictum > > >>>>> > >> given > > >>>>> > >> by > > >>>>> > >> > > sages > > >>>>> > >> > > > > and > > >>>>> > >> > > > > there is no reason to > try to > > >>>>> find out the > > >>>>> reason. If one > > >>>>> > >> wants to > > >>>>> > >> > > > > find > > >>>>> > >> > > > > the reason about Leo, > > >>>>> consider this in natural > > >>>>> zodiac > > >>>>> > >> Leo is > > >>>>> > >> in > > >>>>> > >> > > 5th > > >>>>> > >> > > > > house whose occupation by > > >>>>> Jupiter leads to > > >>>>> Karaka Bhava > > >>>>> > >> Dasha. In > > >>>>> > >> > > > > 11th > > >>>>> > >> > > > > all planets are Shubha > so it > > >>>>> is not only Jupiter > > >>>>> who is > > >>>>> > >> Shubha > > >>>>> > >> > > there. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Disha strength is one > amongst > > >>>>> many strengths > > >>>>> > >> considered but > > >>>>> > >> not > > >>>>> > >> > > as > > >>>>> > >> > > > > strong as Digbala and > Jupiter > > >>>>> gets that in Lagna. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Prafulla Gang wrote: > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > In my humble view, > (Jupiter > > >>>>> may not be > > >>>>> preferred in > > >>>>> > >> Leo for > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Muhurta, > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > I do not know much > about > > >>>>> muhurta related > > >>>>> > >> configurations),It may > > >>>>> > >> > > not > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > become weak in terms of > > >>>>> Bala necessarily > > >>>>> (generally > > >>>>> > >> speaking). > > >>>>> > >> > > In > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact, jupiter in 3rd > house > > >>>>> in Libra is > > >>>>> considered bad. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Jupiter in 11th house > (any > > >>>>> sign) will have > > >>>>> directional > > >>>>> > >> strength > > >>>>> > >> > > to > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > initiate for results. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > There must be more than > > >>>>> this reason, for > > >>>>> jupiter to > > >>>>> > >> give > > >>>>> > >> > > negative > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > results. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > regards/Prafulla Gang > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > --- In > > >>>>> vedic astrology, > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar > > >>>>> > >> > > > > <boxdel> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > wrote: > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Dear Shubhangi, > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Being an Indian you > must > > >>>>> know that Jupiter > > >>>>> looses his > > >>>>> > >> > > strength in > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Leo > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > and that is why > there are > > >>>>> no Muhurtas for > > >>>>> > >> marriages when > > >>>>> > >> > > Jupiter > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > occupies Leo or what > is > > >>>>> called as Simhastha. > > >>>>> That > > >>>>> > >> is due > > >>>>> > >> to > > >>>>> > >> > > the > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact of > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Guru lacking Bala. In > > >>>>> your brother's case Sun > > >>>>> > >> being in > > >>>>> > >> own > > >>>>> > >> > > Rasi > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > makes > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > him Shubha and > therefore > > >>>>> good relations with > > >>>>> > >> Father. But > > >>>>> > >> I > > >>>>> > >> > > would > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > say he > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > would not follow > father's > > >>>>> profession. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik wrote: > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Dear Sir, > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Sorry for > intervening in > > >>>>> your session, but > > >>>>> I am > > >>>>> > >> curious > > >>>>> > >> to > > >>>>> > >> > > know > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > the logic behind > jupiter > > >>>>> losing its strength > > >>>>> in leo > > >>>>> > >> and > > >>>>> > >> hence > > >>>>> > >> > > this > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > email. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Yes, your dictum > worked > > >>>>> in my brother's > > >>>>> case also. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >My brother has > sun+jup > > >>>>> in leo but in 8th, no > > >>>>> > >> doubt he > > >>>>> > >> is very > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > intelligent but did > not do > > >>>>> much well in > > >>>>> academics > > >>>>> > >> and yes, > > >>>>> > >> he > > >>>>> > >> > > did > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fail once in his 10th > class. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >With my half > knowledge I > > >>>>> thought the reason > > >>>>> to > > >>>>> > >> be the > > >>>>> > >> > > > > positioning > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > of both the planets in > 8th, > > >>>>> but now curious to > > >>>>> know > > >>>>> > >> why jup > > >>>>> > >> > > losses > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > strength in leo. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >But though both > planets > > >>>>> are positioned in > > >>>>> 8th, both > > >>>>> > >> father > > >>>>> > >> > > and > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > son shares good > relation > > >>>>> with each other. > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Thanks, > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Shubhangi > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar wrote : > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira, > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>There you see the > > >>>>> dictum working. 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Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Dear Pradeep, Please just call me Ash. My answers in CAPS. vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > Dear Ash ji & Chandrashekhar ji > > This debate on Astakavarga and its importance during chart analysis > is becoming really educative. ASH : I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE LEARNING FROM CHANDRASHEKHAR AND MY DISCUSSION. I was scared to ask any questions due > to my ignorance. But i think i may ask couple of questions of broad > nature. ASH : WHY ARE U SCARED OF ASKING ANY QUESTION ? IT IS AN HONOUR FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO LEARN THIS SCIENCE OF LIGHT AND HELP PEOPLE IN NEED. I HAVE SEEN SUCH NICE POSTS FROM YOU IN THE PAST. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK. I SHALL TRY TO ANSWER EACH POINT IN THE LIMITED TIME AND RESOUCES I HAVE. > > Ash ji, I am glad that your system considers the Vargas as an > inherent division within the Rashi,and it should be like that as > per my humble understanding of Parashara.This gives me confidence and > trust.Now you have said jupiter within the second navamsha,in cancer > is samadharmi to Sun. ASH : BEFORE WE DWELVE ANY FURTHER PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING. 1) ASHTAKAVARGA IS TAUGHT BY MAHARISHI PARASARA AND VARHARAMIRA AND MOSTLY ALL BOOKS HAVE REFERENCE AND SHOLKES ON ASHTAKAVARGA. BUT IN NO BOOK A SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING ASHTAKAVARGA IS GIVEN. 2) ASHTAKAVARGA IS A TOOL GIVEN AND IS USED IN ALL VARGAS. ITS APPLICABLE IN ALL D-CHARTS. EXPLORE THE FEATURES GIVEN IN JHL AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ITS PROGRAMMED TO GIVE SAV FOR ALL D-CHARTS. 3) ASHTAKAVARGA WHEN USED IN A FULL SYSTEM IS USED VERY EFFECTIVELY TO TIME ALL EVENTS. ITS USE IS NOT LIMITED TO TRANSITS AND TIMING LONGEVITY. 4) WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM ALL FACTORS ARE CONSIDERED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. ASHTAKAVARGA IF YOU GO DEEPER AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE THEORY BEHIND KAS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING. I MYSELF HAVE SPEND SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DEEP THEORY BEHIND KAS AND AM TRUELY AMAZED. IT DID NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT BUT IT TOOK TIME AND DEDICATION AND I STILL HAVE MUCH TO LEARN. OK. NOW THAT THIS IS CLARIFIED I SHALL PROCEED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. > > As per my understanding ,any transiting planet will trigger the > planets placed in a house ,their lords and also the lord of the > transiting house.Thus when a planet transits say 3deg 20 to 6 deg > 40, (as you have mentioned) in Cancer,it is also transiting navamsha > of sun, w.r to that Rashi.Thus this transit will trigger Sun and > also Jupiter,as jupiter is placed within that navamsha.Also this is > an intense transit as far as the planet is concerned (exact > navamsha). > > Is this the basis for Samadharmi? ASH : OK. TRANSITS IS A VERY DETAILED TOPIC. IN SHORT I WILL TELL U SOMETHING. YOU CAN STUDY HOW ONE WILL FEEL IN A DAY BY USING SAV. THERE IS A FULL LESSON JUST EXPLAINING THIS. SO THAT COVERES ONE PORTION OF TRANSITS. THE SECOND PORTION OF TRANSITS IS STUDYING INDIVIDUAL TRANSITS. EACH TRANSIT MEANS DIFFERENT THNINGS BASED ON KALPURUSH CHART AND THE NATAL CHART. TRANSIT OF SUN IS MOST IMPORTANT TO TIME EVENTS. SUN IS BOSS OF ALL PLANETS. TRANSIT OF SHANI AND GURU IS VERY IMPORTANT TO STUDY FINANCES. BEFORE YOU GET INTO TRANSITS ONE MUST KNOW CLEARLY THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANETS FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE. THE POWER OF EACH PLANET. PRADEEP I AM FINDING IT HARD TO COMPRESS 35 LESSONS INTO 1 EMAIL. TRANSITS IS A VERY LOADED TOPIC. I SHALL GIVE U REFERENCES BUT I SUGGEST YOU STUDY ONE THING AT A TIME AND NOT CONFUSE MANY THINGS. RELATION BETWEEN RASHI AND NAVAMSA IS MOST IMPORTANT. AGAIN THERE ARE LESSONS ON THIS ALSO. THIS IS CO-TIED AND CO-RELATED WITH SAMDHARMI CONCEPT. WHAT IS SAMDHARMI YOU ASK ? ITS AGAIN A LOADED TOPIC. IN SHORT WHEN PLANETS ARE IN 4:10 AND UNDER CERTAIN CONDITION I.E. PLANET IN 10TH MUST HAVE LESS POINTS I.E. < 4 BINDUS AND PLANET IN 4THF ROM IT MUST HAVE MORE THAN 4 POINTS IN THAT CASE THE 2 PLANETS BECOME POWEFUL SAMDHARMIS. PLANETS IN THE SAME SIGN BECOME SAMDHARMI. WHEN SAY GURU IS BETWEEN 3DEG20 TO 6DEG20 IN CANCER THEN THIS GURU WILL BECOME SAMDHARMI TO SUN AS IT WILL FALL IN NAVAMSA OF SUN. SO AS YOU SAY NAVAMSA DEPOSITER IS CONSIDERED. RAHU AND KETU ARE SAMDHARMI TO SIGN AND NAKSHATRA LORDS. NATURAL SAMDHARMIS ARE VENUS AND SHANI. MOON AND MARS AND SUN AND MARS. IF YOU STUDY KEENLY VENUS AND SHANI ARE YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH OTHERS HOUSES. ALSO IF YOU STUDY MORE CLOSELY THAT VENUS AND SHANI ARE IN 5:9 AND 4:10 RELATION BETWEEN HOUSES OWNED BY THE PLANET SAME FOR MOON AND MARS AND SUN AND MARS. THEY ARE ALSO YOGAKARAKS. SO LIKE THIS PLANETS CAN BECOME SAMDHAMIRS. FOR THAT THERE ARE 2 LESSONS DEDICATED TO EXPALIN THIS CONCEPT. IF A PLANET IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS DUE TO ITS ASPECT ON A HOUSE THEN ITS SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN AND DELIVER IT. LIKE THIS THERE ARE SOME RULES. GURU IS SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE AND 5TH HOSUE IS PRIMARY SIGNFIFICATOR OF THE HOUSE SO ITS GENERALLY SAID TO BE SPOILT AS ITSELF CANT GIVE RESULT. SOME SAMDHARNMI WILL GIVE IT. SIMILARLY IN VEDIC TEXTS ITS GIVEN THAT MARS SPOILS THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND SIMILAR LOGIC AS MARS ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AGAIN TAHT IS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICCATOR HOUSE SO ITSELF CANT GIVE RESULTS GENERALLY SO ITS SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN. LESSON 8 AND 25 ARE DEDICATED TO TEACHING THE CONCEPT OF SAMDHARMIS. FOR THOSE TO WHO THIS TERM MIGHT BE ALIEN, THIS CONCEPT COVERS SO MANY THINGS WHICH IS LIKE YOGAKARAK, PLANEST PLACED IN SAME SIGN, 4:10 OR I AM NOT SURE BUT IT MAYBE CALLED PARASPARAK OR MUTUAL CO- WORKERS, NAVAMSA DEPOSITER, RAHU/KETU, PLANETS IN SAME NAKSHATRRA, PLANETS PLACED IN SAME NAVAMSA SO IT MAY COVER THINGS LIKE SAY IF 2 PLANETS ARE PLACED IN NAV-PANCHAM AND IN EXACT THEN THEY BECOME SAMDHARMI AS THEY WILL COME IN SAME SIGN IN NAVAMSA. LIKE THAT SO MANY THINGS ARE COVERED. PLEASE READ THE LESSONS AND FOR A LEARNED PERSON LIKE YOU, YOU CAN EASILY UNDERSAND IT. > > And i understand ,which planets transit ? will deliver such results > has to be understood based on the values and the chart as a > whole.Here the planets role,SAV and the individual points w.r to > bhavas have a role to play.Am i right?.I am yet to learn the basics > behind these. > ASH : WHEN YOU READ THE LESSONS YOU WILL UNDERSERSTAND THAT THE KEY TO TIMING OF EVENTS LIES IN UPCHAYA HOUSES. BAV-SAV-WORKSHEET CONSIDER SO MANY FACTORS AND FROM THAT WE GET THE STRENGTH OF PLANETS FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE IN NUMERICAL FORMAT. ONCE U KNOW THE STRENGTH OF THE PLANET THEN LIFE UNFOLDS AS PER VIMSHOTTARI DASHSA STARTING FROM MOON. THIS YOU CAN STUDY AS YOU WILL HAVE THE WORKSHEET WITH YOU AND IN ANY ANTRA YOU CAN EASILY SEE HOW A PLANET WHOS ANTRA IS RUNNING WILL ACT FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. IF YOU READ THE LESSONS IT WIL BECOME MORE EASY FOR ME TO EXPLAIN THINGS AS YOU WILL HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OTHERWISE WHAT I AM SAYING WILL SOUND GREEK AND LATIN. ON KAS LIST THERE ARE SO MANY CHARTS SOLVED AND IT CAN ALSO GIVE ONE AN UNDERSTANDING ON THE SYSTEM AND USE OF ASHTAKAVARG. > Now one question,similar to what Chandrashekhar ji has asked - Does > this system account for the navamsha rashi relation ,while deriving > strengths? ASH : WHEN YOU READ LESSONS 8 AND 25 THIS QUESTION WILL GET RESOLVED. YES ALL RELATIONS ARE CONSIDERED. WHEN YOU FIND SAMDHARMI ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED. For example if Jupiter is within capricorn navamsha,while > arriving at strength of jupiter is this point considered?Does any > Ashtakavarga system take into account varga positions while arriving > at strength? ASH : ASHTAKAVARGA GIVES STRENGTH OF PLANETS AND WORKSHEET WHICH IS DERIVED FROM SAV GIVES COMBINED EFFECT. FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR ALL 12 HOUSES IN NUMERICAL FORMAT. WHEN GURU GOES IUN NAVAMSA OF SHANI IT BECOMES SAMDHARMI TO SHANI. IF GURU IS IN SAY FIRST 3DEG20 TO 6DEG40 IN CAPRICORN THEN ITS SAMDHARMI TO GURU AND THE MULTIPLICATION FACTOR IS 0.8. THIS PART IS LESSON 27. IF GURU WERE TO BE IN CANCER AND BETWEEN 2O AND 23DEG20 THEN IT WILL STILL BE SAMDHARMI TO SHANI AS IT WILL BE IN NEECHA STHAN OR IN CAPRICORN IN NAVAMSA BUT IN RASHI ITS IN CANCER SO THE MULTIPLICATOIN FACTOR WILL BE 1.4. ASHTAKAVARGA ITSELF IS A SYSTEM TO FIND THE STRENGH OF PLANET. ONCE U STUDY WHAT THE FINAL WORKSHEET MEANS THIS QUESTION ON TRYING TO FIND STRENTH USING SIGN PLACMENT WILL NOT BE NEEDED AS ASHTAKAVARGA TOOL IS USED TO FIND THE STRENGTH. WITH ASHTAKAVARGA ONE STUDIES EACH PLANET STRENGTH FROM WITH RESPECT TO LAGNA AND 7 PLANEST. SAY GURU IS IN CANCER AND LAGNA IS CANCER SO FROM LAGNA GURU IS IN 1ST, BUT SAY SUN IS IN 8TH THEN FROM SUN THIS GURU IN CANCER WILL BE IN 6TH HOUSE. JU AND MO IN 6:8 RELATION IS ? THEN SAY IF SHANI IS IN 12TH HOUSE THEN GURU AND SHANI ARE IN 2:12 IS THIS GOOD OR NOT DESPITE GURU BEING IN UNCHA STHAN. NOW WHEN U STUDY THE SAME FROM ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ALL THESE ARE CONSIDERD WHEN THE BAV TO SAV IS CAST. ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED INDIRECTLY. THIS GIVES THE STRENGTH OF PLANEST WHICH IS USED TO TIME EVENTS. YOU CAN THEN ADD THE LAYER OF SIGN PLACMENT WHICH IS GIVEN IN LESSON 27 BUT THIS IS NOT NEEDED TO TIME EVNETS. SIGN PLACMENT GIVES US THE BACKING THE PLANET HAS FROM THE SIGN. IF GURU IS CANCER THEN THERE THE MULTIPLICATON FACTOR IS 1.4 SO IT MEANS THAT GURU HAS 140% BACKING FROM SIGN. SO IF GURU IS SAY IN 4TH HOUSE FOR SAY ARIES LAGNA AND ITS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS THEN IT WILL BE VERY VERY EAGER TO GIVE MARRIAGE. NOW IF THE DELAY PERIOD IS OVER AND IF GURUS ANTRA COMES THEN MARRIAGE WILL HAPPEN. SAY IF GURU IS IN CAPRICORN AND AQUARIUS IS LAGNA. THEN THIS GURU IS IN 12TH HOSUE AND IF SUCH A GURU IS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS AND ANTRA OF GURU COMES THEN THIS GURU WILL BECOME VERY EAGER TO GIVE MARRIAGE DESPITE BEING IN CAPROCORN. NOW GURU IS IN CAPROCORN SO THE RESULTS WILL BE FELT WITH A MULTIPLICAON FACTOR OF 0.8. I DONT KNOW IF ALL THIS MAKES SENSE TO YOU BUT IF U GO THROUGH THE LESSONS ALL THIS WILL MAKE SENSE TO YOU AS U WILL HAVE SOME CONTINUITY. Or does it mean, strength of a planet vis-a-vis > temporal/natural relationships has to be understood/evaluated > outside the relams of ashtakavarga, and then ashtakavarga principles > have to applied on top. > ASH : WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A SYSTEM I.E. KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM THEN ONE SHOULD USE FULL SYSTEM. THE SYSTEM USES GRAHA DRISTI, ALL VARGAS, ASHTAKAVARGA AND ALL THE THINGS THAT U CALL VEDIC ASTROLOGY. BUT THERE ARE SOME RULES THAT ONE MUST UNDERSTAND AND THEORY OF KAS AND HOW UPCHAYA HOUSES IS USED TO TIME EVENTS. > Kindly explain. > ASH : I HAVE TRIED MY BEST TO EXPLAIN. THERE ARE 35 LESSONS AND YOU HAVE ASKED ME UNKNOWINGLY TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS TO YOU IN 1 MAIL LOL... I HAVE TRIED. JUST KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND READ THE LESSONS. THE LESSONS ARE FOUND IN THE FILE SECTION IN / PLEASE READ THEM AND I AM SURE YOU WILL UNDERTAND IT AND WILL BE ABLE TO TIME EVENTS VERY NICELY. IF NOT IT WILL STILL IN THE LEAST SHOW YOU AND REMOVE THIS MISCONCEPTION THAT ASHTAKAVARGA CAN BE USED FOR TRANSITS AND TIMING LONGEVITY ONLY. I HOPE THIS MAIL HELPS. > Thanks > Pradeep > > > vedic astrology, Ash <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > There is no contradiction. Maybe in your confused state you are > making such assumptions. > > > > Firstly as you are very well aware that the chart must be looked > as a whole. For that you consider all parameters and for that you > have the entire worksheet. That gives the total strength which I > have given for Sa = 10 and Ju = 11. Individual points of Sa = 1 and > Ju = 5. These points are obtained in the SAV by Ju and Sa. > Worksheet is derived from SAV. This part I do not think you will > understand unless you study the method that is used to derive the > entire worksheet. This part is not given in any book and that is > what I mention so it will be beyond your comphrehension for now. I > have given the website of Krushnaji and you can download the > worksheet and study it and let me know. > > > > Now You have talked of logic of Sa = 1 and Ju = 5 but what about > aspects ? What about 6th lord, What about aspects on Sa and Ju, > what about if Sa and Ju rule any upchaya houses and the special > consideratoins ? > > > > Have u just seen one points and came to conclusion that Ju is > stronger than Sa ? > > > > If so then its the system that you use is causing all confusion > and that 2 people using same technique of finding out strength are > coming to different conclusions ? > > > > The strength given in the final worksheet will determin how the > planets will deliver their results for all houses. > > > > If Guru is in say 3deg20 to 6deg40 in cancer it will become > samdharmi to Sun in navamsa. So such a guru can step in for Sun if > sun is unable to deliver the results. > > > > I agree with you. The system you are using to find strength there > is no consistency. Someone studies the same chart and will say that > Ju is stronger than Sa and someone else will Say that Sa is stronger > than Ju. There is too many contradiction that exist in the system > you study. > > > > Ashtakvarga has removed all these contradiction as the each planet > is studied from 8 different angles. > > > > In the end I will say that its Parasara who said that Ashtakavarga > is to be used by us people in Kali Yuga. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I am now more confused than ever. You said " AS PER KAS ITS BETTER > TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN THEIR NEECHA STHAN AS 3 > PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET IS WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE > THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3 OTHER HOUSES STRONG > AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM STRONG. SO OVERALL > ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND BECOME MORE THAN 12.". > So by this logic would not Saturn who has only one point be stronger > than Jupiter who has 4 points? > > If you are using Vimshottary Dashas as you stated, then to the > best of my understanding Planets who are Neecha give more of their > malefic nature results than had they been in Uccha. Is a different > Vimshottary dasha system being used here? Again you say that > strength of Navamsha and Rasi are equal in your system. Vedic > Jyotish tells us that Navamsha strength overrules Rasi strength. For > example a planet exalted in Rasi but debilitated in Navamsha can > only give results as if debilitated and one debilitated in Rasi if > exalted in Navamsha shall give results as if exalted. Since the > system is totally different from what is known as Vedic Jyotish in > the parameters used, I do not think we can agree to the way we look > at the strengths of planets. There are many such contradictions and > I am only pointing out two of them as illustrations. > > Regards, > > > > Ash wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, > > My answers in CAPS. > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > I did not use Ashtakavarga to indicate timing of events at all but > only to illustrate a point from a different angle. My intention was > to illustrate that Jupiter's position has not strengthened the Bhava > under consideration. If I remember right even that was in response > to somebody's response mentioning Ashtakavarga Points. > > > > ASH : I AM ALSO ILLUSTRATING THE POINTS BUT FROM THE VIEW POINT OF > ASHTAKVARGA OR ONE CAN SAY THAT I AM USING THE TOOL OF ASHTAKVARGA > TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. IF YOU SAY THAT BASED ON THE > RELATIVE POSITIONING OF GURU AND SHANI YOU HAVE COMPARED THE > STRENGTH OF BOTH AND THE END RESULT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT GURU IS > WEAKER THAN SHANI THEN FROM THE ASHTAKVARGA VIEW POINT ITS NOT > MATCHING. SINCE ASHTAKVARGA IS CONSIDERING ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT > TO EACH OTHER AND ALSO FROM LAGNA USING ASHTAVARGA AS A TOOL I DO > NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. SAV TAKES CARE OF THAT FROM ALL 8 > ANGLES. > > > > > > I fail to understand how strength is on the one hand calculated on > placement of bindus are considered to be the final strengths and in > the same breath said to be arrived at based on a system which takes > into consideration Navamsha strengths. Again how can a system that > considers Navamsha strength for only a specific purpose like delays > be said to apply all the principles of Vedic astrology? > > > > ASH : THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM. THE > FINAL STRENGTH IS DERIVED FROM SAV AS THE BASE. THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF > TIMING IS USING UPCHAYA HOUSES, ASPECTS ON PLANET AND PRIMARY > SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE, 4:10 RELATIONSHIPS, WE DO NOT CONSIDER BENEFIC > ASPECT OF 6TH LORD OR 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND SPECIAL > CONSIDERATION TO 10TH LORD FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO 6TH FROM > HOUSE UNDER FOCUS (IN SHORT UPCAHYA HOUSES). THIS IS ALL DONE TO > THE SAV POINTS. SO THE FINAL POINTS THAT ONE GETS AND JUST TO > CLARIFY WHICH IS THE WORKSHEET THAT I HAD REPRODUCED ON ALL THE > STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE WHERE YOU CAN SEE > THE STRENGTH AT A GLANCE IS FINALLY ARRIVED AT. THAT IS THE FINAL > STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. BASED ON THIS STRENGTH YOU CAN USE IT ALONG > WITH VIMSHOTTARI DASHA STARTING FROM MOON ONLY WILL GIVE HOW THE > ANTRA WILL DELIVER RESULTS FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT YOU CAN SEE AT A > GLANCE. I BELEIVE YOU ALSO AGREE THAT THE ANY ANTRA WORKS FOR ALL > 12 HOUSES > > AT THE SAME TIME MAYBE GIVING GOOD RESAULT FOR SOME HOUSES AND > MAYBE MALEFIC FOR SOME OTHER. > > > > THIS WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO HONE INTO WHEN I ASKED YOU FOR > WHICH HOUSE IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR ? FOR 7TH HOUSE ALSO > BOTH HAVE LESS THAN 12 POINTS SO BOTH ARE NOT CONDUSIVE TO 12TH > HOSUE MATTERS HOWEVER IF U COMPARE BOTH GURU IS STRONGER THAN SHANI > FOR 7TH HOSUE MATTERS. FOR 10TH HOUSE MATTERS GURU IS FAR STRONGER > THAN SHANI. I WILL REVERT TO THE POINTS MISCONCEPTION BELOW. > > > > Is the confusion on account of trying to analyze timing of events > vis-a-vis the strengths of Bhavas and the Grahas? Or is it due to my > inability to convey my meaning or understanding yours? > > > > ASH : HOW WOULD YOU TIME ANY EVENT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE > STRENGTH. AS PER MY UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE USING ANY SYSTEM TRY TO > FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. YOU CAN STUDY IT FROM SHAD BAL, > YOU CAN STUDY IF ITS ATMAKARAK OR DARAKARAK ETC ETC THEN STUDY ITS > AVASTHA ETC ETC THE YOGS ITS MAKING, IF ITS YOGAKARAKA, OR MAKING > ANY MAHAYOGA ETC, STUDY IT FROM SUN/MOON/LAGNA/HL/GL/BL/AK/AL ETC > ETC.. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT SOME HOW OR THE OTHER ONE > PERSON WHO IS STUDYING THE CHART IS TRYING TO GAUGE IF THIS PLANETS > STRENGTH TO SEE IF THE PLANET WILL DELIVER THE RESULT. SOME CALL IT > FRUTIFICATION OF YOGAS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY ONE PERSON IS > TRYING TO GAUGE BY FINDING OUT THE BAL IF THE PLANET WILL GIVE THE > RESULT. THAT IS WHAT I CALL TIMING. PERSON ASK WHEN WILL MY DEBT > GET OVER ? WHEN WILL I MARRY ? WHEN WILL I HAVE CHILDREN ? WHEN > WILL MY HEALTH CRISIS GET OVER ? AND SO MANY SUCH QUESTIONS ARE > POSED. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR TIMING OF EVENTS. > > > > WITH KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM I AM FINDING OUT THE STRENGTH > USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM. WHEN I SAY A SYSTEM I MEAN I > AM USING VIMSHOTTARI DASHA, UPCHAYA HOUSES, SAV, BAV, PAV, TRANSITS, > CERTAIN SPECIAL LAWS LIKE GURU IN LIBRA, VENUS IN KRITTIKA, AADRA, > MOOLA, JAYESHTA, SUN TO VENUS DISTANCE, SOME RULES ON SAV AND THEN > FINALLY I GO THROUGH A TEDIOUS PROCESS OF CASTING THE WORKSHEET > WHICH I HAD DISPLAYED WHICH USES SAV AS THE BASE AND FROM THAT THE > THINGS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED SUCH AS 4:10 REPLATIONSHIPS, ASPECTS > ON PLANETS, ASPECTS ON PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES, BENEFIC ASPECT > ADJUSTMENT FOR 6TH LORD AND 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO > PLANETS IN UPCHAYA'S WITH > 4 BINDUS ETC. AFTER THAT I COME TO THE > FINAL STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. AS PER KAS NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS > AS COMPARED TO RASI. THEN WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF FINDING > SAMDHARMI. WHAT YOU WOULD CALL, NAVAMSA DEPOISTER, NATURAL > SAMDHARMIS I.E. VENUS AND SHANI , MOON AND MARS, SUN AND MARS. I > BELEIVE > > THESE ARE CALLED YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH OTHERS CHART. 4:10 IS THE > MOST POWEFUL SAMDHARMI WHERE IF PLANET IN 10TH HAS < 4 BINDUS AND > PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT HAS > 4 BINDUS. LIKE THIS ITS A WHOLE > SYSTEM. EACH AND EVERY FACTOR IS CONSIDERED. > > > > THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS NOT EXISITING IN PHALDIPIKA, BPHS, TEXTS BY > VARHARMIRA OR ANY OTHER SCHOLAR DESPITE ALL TEXTS MENTIONING > VERSES. EVEN SOME VERSES ARE MISSING THAT WAS GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI IN > HIS WRITEUP. > > > > WHAT YOU HAD SAID THAT ASHTAKVARGA DOES NOT CONSIDER SIGN > PLACEMENT IS ALSO A PART OF THE ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM. HOWEVER WE DO > NOT NEED IT TO TIME EVENTS. WE USE WHATS CALLED THE MULTIPLICATION > FACTOR TABLE FOR EXAMPLE MERCURY IN VIRGO HAS MULTIPLCAITON FACFTOR > OF 1.4 AND SO DOES GURU IN CANCER. SUCH THINGS GIVE US FURTHER > CLARITY ON HOW THE RESULT WILL "FEEL" BUT IS NOT NEEDED TO TIME > EVENT. > > > > THIS IS WHAT I CALL A FULL SYSTEM AND I KEEP SAYING THAT SO MUCH > OF ALL THIS IS GONE / VANISHED FROM THE ANTIENT TEXTS. I HOPE NOW U > WILL UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BY WHATS AVAILABLE ON ASHTAKAVARGA IS A > FRACTION AND ITS USE AS A SYSTEM IS NOT THERE AT ALL IN ANY TEXTS > FOR TIMING OF EVENTS. > > > > THIS IS WHAT I KEPT SAYING THAT THIS SYSTEM MUST HAVE EXISTED IN > ANTIENT TEXTS WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH WAS > TAUGHT BY HIS GURU AND WAS KEPT IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE. > > > > You are perhaps talking about Prastarashtakvarga when you say BAV, > since in BAV I do not think a planet's BAV can get 10 or 11 bindus > in that you mention in any Bhava. The maximum that might be > received would be around 7. Use of prastarashtkavarga is for > movement of transit planet in that planet's kakshya and the number > of bindus received from the planet makes him a bindu pradata. > > > > > > ASH : NO I AM NOT TALKING OF PRASTARASHTAKAVARGA. I DID ALLUDE TO > THAT IN MY MAIL TO LAKSHMI. WHEN I TOLD HER THAT ONLY VENUS WAS > GIVING HIS FAVOURABLE VOTE TO SHANI OR SHANI WAS MAKING A FAVOURABLE > WITH VENUS. SIMILARLY I WENT INTO FURHER DETAIL TO EXPLAIN THAT > GURU GETS 5 BINDUS AND WHICH OF THE 5 PLANET/LAGNA WAS SUPPORTING. > I WAS NOT MEANING TO GO INTO THIS MUCH DETAIL BUT SUCH THINGS ARE > USED TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL. THE 10 AND 11 BINDUS IS THE TOTAL > POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET AS THE FINAL STRENGH OF THE PLANET WHICH IS > CALCUALTED AS I HAVE MENTIONED ABOVE I.E KEEPING SAV AS THE BASE AND > THEN USING THE ASPECTS, 6TH LORDS, ASPECT ON PALNET ETC ETC. THE > FINAL STRENGTH AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS TEDIOUS PROCESS WERE THE > POINTS I HAVE WRITTEN. THIS IS THE FINAL STRENGTH OF ALL 7 PLANETS > FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THE FINAL STRENGTHS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND > ANYTHING LESS THAN 12 MEANS MALEFIC AND GREATER THAN 12 MEANS > BENEFIC. 12 IS NEUTRAL. IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSAND THE ENTIRE > > PROCESS IN WHICH I CAME TO THE 11 AND 10 POINTS FOR GURU AND > SHANI FOR 7TH HOUSE I WILL REVERT IN A SEPERATE MAIL OR WILL REFER > YOU TO THE APPROPRIATE TEXTS. > > > > I did not want to get into an argument where two different systems > are being used. > > > > ASH : I AM NOT ARGUING I AM DISCUSSING. I AM TAKING YOUR EACH > POINT AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN MY VIEW POINT. SO PLEASE DO NOT > CONSIDER THIS AS AN ARGUMENT AT ALL. I HOPE OTHERS WHO ARE READING > WILL ALSO LEARN FROM THIS AND THE EFFORT. > > > > However if you want to consider strengths on the basis of number > of Bindus given by a Planet then would it not be relevant that > Jupiter can get 56 Bindus whereas Saturn only 39 ? > > > > ASH : GURU IS A BENEFIC WHY ? WHY IS SHANI CALLED A MALEFIC ? IF > YOU STUDY IT FROM ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ITS ALL IN NUMERICAL > VALUE. GURU HAS BEEN ALLOCATED 56 BINDUS AND SHANI AND MARS HAVE > BEEN ALLOCATED 39 BINDUS ONLY. IT MEANS THAT GURU CAN MAKE MORE > FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI AND MARS. SO WE CAN SAY GURU > IS BENEFIC AS 7 PLANETS AND LAGANAS WILL DISTRIBUTE 56 POINTS SO > MORE CHANCES OF GURU TO MAKE FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI > AND MARS. EACH AND EVERYTHING HAS MEANING. SUN HAS 48 POINTS. > MAX POINTS A HOUSE CAN RECEIVE IS 96 AND SUN RECEIVES 48 SO ITS > CALLED KRUR OR YOU CAN SAY ALSO ON BORDERLINE. > > > > Would this then mean that a debilitated Jupiter will be stronger > than exalted Saturn in a hypothetical horoscope and still that would > be application of principles of Vedic Astrology? I would not think > so. > > > > ASH : FOR TIMING OF EVENTS ITS IMMETERIAL WHERE GURU IS PLACED IN > WHICH SIGN AND WHERE SHANI IS PLACED. HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE. YOU > ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET USING SIGN PLACEMENT > AND AS PER ASHTAKVARGA I DONT NEED TO CONSIDER THAT FOR TIMING OF > EVENT. YES SHANI BEING PLACED IN LIBRA HAS MULTIPLICATION FACTOR OF > 1.4 AND GURU IN CAPRICORN HAS MULTIPLCATION FACTOR OF 0.8. BUT > AGAIN TO TIME AN EVENT I AM EMPHASISING THAT YOU DO NOT NEED THE > SIGN PLACEMENT BUT INSTEAD YOU NEED THE FINAL POINTS IN THE > WORKSHEET. THAT IS ENOUGH TO TIME THE EVENT. > > > > MAYBE YOU HAVE NOT COME ACROSS A SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT USE THE SAME > PRINCIPLES TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET THE WAY YOU USE IT. SO > YOU MAY FIND THIS DIFFERENT OR I CAN EVEN SAY SHOCKING. YOU DO NOT > NEED THE SIGN PLACEMENT TO JUDGE THE STRENGTH, ASHTAKAVARGA STRENGTH > IS WHATS NEEDED. > > > > PEOPLE USING SIGN PLACEMENTS MAY INVARIABLY COME TO DIFFERENT > CONCULUSIONS JUST AS IN THE CASE THAT YOU AND LAKSHAMI CAME TO. ONE > SAYS GURU IS STRONGER AND OTHER SAYS SHANI IS STRONGER. WITH > ASHTAKVARGA ITS ALL SHOWN BY NUMBERS AND THERE WILL NOT BE ANY > ANOMOLY. ALL WILL COME TO THE SAME CONCULUSION. > > > > EITHER I AM NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OR YOU ARE > NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM SAYING. > > > > AS PER KAS ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN THEIR > NEECHA STHAN AS 3 PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET IS > WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3 > OTHER HOUSES STRONG AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM > STRONG. SO OVERALL ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND > BECOME MORE THAN 12. > > > > IF PLANETS HAVE > 5 BINDUS THEN THE WILL SEND MALEFIC DRISTI. > GURU HAS 56 BINDUS AND GENERALLY IF U DIVIDED THAT BY 12 EACH HOUSE > GETS APPROX 5 BINDUS. SO MOSTLY GURU HAS > 4 BINDUS IN CHART. SO > SUCH GURU WILL MAKE 1 HOUSE STRONG HOWEVER IT WILL REDUCE 3 HOUSES. > > > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > My answers in CAPS. > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > Even by your method of assessing strength from Rasi placement, > Saturn is stronger is it not? > > > > ASH : PLEASE REFER TO THE POST GIVEN BELOW. I HAD WRITTEN A POST > JUST AFTER AND HAVE SAID THAT IT WAS A TYPO. GURU HAS 11 POINTS AND > SHANI HAS 10. YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE WORKSHEET I HAD GIVEN. > BOTH OF THEM ARE MALEFIC FOR 7TH HOUSE MATTERS. BOTH JU AND SA ON > THEIR OWN CANNOT SAY GIVE MARRIAGE A 7TH HOUSE MATTER IN THEIR ANTAR. > > > > vedic astrology/message/44680 > > > > The original thread had nothing to do with timing of events which > you are reverting time and again. > > > > ASH : AGREED. BUT YOU DID USE ASHTAKVARG AND I AM GIVING MY VIEW > POINT BASED ON ASHTAKAVARGA ON THE BAL OF GURU AND SHANI FOR 7TH > HOUSE AND NOT ONLY 7TH HOUSE BUT FOR ALL HOUSE. I HAVE ALSO GONE > AHEAD AND MADE A PREDICTION ON MARRIAGE AND HOW GURU WILL ACT AND > SHANI TOO AS A PART OF MY ANALYSIS. I BELEIVE THE PROOF OF THE > PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING THAT IS WHY I MADE A PREDICTION ON MARRIAGE > SO THAT ITS JUST NOT THEORY BUT ITS APPLICATION. NOW I DO NOT KNOW > HOW MUCH OF WHAT I HAVE PREDICTED IS CORRECT OR WRONG. BUT IN MY > OPINION THE WORKSHEET I HAVE GIVEN HAS CONSIDERED ALL FACTORS THAT > IS NECESSARY AS A TOOL TO TIME EVENTS. > > > > Since, as I had said earlier, the method you are using is based on > Ashtakavarga being used to derive strength of planets my comments on > your arguments would not be fair. > > > > ASH : ANY WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT IT OR USING ANY TOOL GIVEN BY THE > MAHARISHIS AS PER SO MANY TEXTS AND BY MANY AUTHORS THE END RESULT > SHOULD COME OUT TO BE SAME. > > > > I have all along been illustrating what is the position per Vedic > Astrology. I have already given the reasons why Saturn is with > strength. > > > > ASH : I HAVE ALSO USED VEDIC ASTROLOGY. ASHTAKVARGA IS A > WONDERFUL TOOL TO ASCERTAIN THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET WITHOUT ANY > DOUBTS. ITS FINAL RESULTS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND IS CRYSTAL > CLEAR. > > > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > THANKING YOU, > > > > CHEERS !!! > > > > ASH > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > So when you said Shani is stronger then Guru you had meant for 7th > > house only ? Is my understanding correct. > > > > As per the worksheet both Shani and Guru are weak for 7th house > for > > Ramesh. Shani has 11 points and Guru has 10. As per the > worksheet > > any planet having less than 12 is weak for the house. 12 is > neutral > > and greater than 12 is benefic. Now if you were to get down to > nitty > > gritty then I would say that Guru is stronger than Shani by 1 > point. > > > > Guru is in namvasa of Aries and hence samdharmi to Mars and mars > is > > not condusive to 7th house matters being 6th lord. Shani is in > libra > > who is Lord of 12th house and primary upchaya for 7th house. > Venus > > and Shani are natural samdharmi. > > > > Both Sa and Ju are not condusive for timing of events for 7th > house. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > <boxdel> > > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > I was referring to your statement that verses not found in any > > book. > > > The reason that this is not clear to you is perhaps we are > > wandering > > > from original thread. For example you are talking about Guru > being > > > stronger for 10th house where as if I remember right, the thread > > started > > > about Jupiter being strong for 7th house as per Lakshmi's > > assessment. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > The fact still remains. The BAV scheme given by Parasara is > > different > > > > from Varharamira. This is one point and this is factual. One > of > > them > > > > is corrupt. I am saying the scheme Parasara has given has > become > > > > corrupt over time. The scheme Varharmira has given has been > > preserved > > > > in time. The two schemes cannot be different. > > > > > > > > I am not clear to which point you are alluding when you say > that > > my > > > > information about Parasara and Varharmira is not factual. The > > BAV > > > > scheme given by Parasara is different from Varharamira. This > was > > > > visible in Ramesh's chart when you said using parasarsa BAV > > scheme > > > > when 7th bhava got 19 bindus and using Varharmiras BAV scheme > it > > comes > > > > to 20. I am not going into other books. The point that I am > > > > emphasising is that BAV scheme given by Parasara or Varharmira > or > > any > > > > other maharishi cannot be different. > > > > > > > > Ashtakvarga has been commented on by many maharishis as you > have > > given > > > > but the system of timing of events using Ashtakavarga is not > > given > > > > which I beleive was a part of Vedic Astrology was saved with > some > > > > families and not known to the world. > > > > > > > > About the part with which the discussion started is what I > agree > > with > > > > you. There is a part of what Noname is also saying that I > agree > > with > > > > however I beleive that Guru spoils the house its placed in due > to > > its > > > > aspect on primary significator houses. By saying Spoilt I > mean > > it > > > > will not give the result in his antra. Also Guru is > generally > > with > > > > more than 5 bindus. Rarely its with < 4 bindus. The more > > powerful > > > > Guru is the more damage it will do by its aspect. For Libra > > lagna and > > > > Cancer lagna Guru is 6th lord and will be very malefic. > > > > > > > > In the chart given by No Names grand father also he commented > > that his > > > > grand father has Guru in lagna who is powerful and he took > > sansaya > > > > after early widohood. Again here a powerful guru is showing > its > > > > malefic aspect on 7th house. Again guru in lagna made no > names > > father > > > > a famous and person as he was known for his knowledge on > > samaveda. > > > > Noname has not commented on the effect it had on 9th and 5th > > house but > > > > if his guru is very powerful. I am also not aware what the > lagna > > is > > > > but this can be the sign of a powerful guru in lagna. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > It is good that you at least agree that "GURU ALWAYS > ASPECTS > > 5TH > > > > HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND ITS A PRIMARY > > SIGNIFICATOR > > > > HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT GIVE RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS > PLACED IN > > > > GENERALLY." > > > > This is the point from which the original discussions > started. > > > > > > > > For your information much detailed interpretation of events > > > > (Beyond what is explained in BPHS,a although based on the > > > > principles therein) by Ashtakavarga is available in > > Phaladeepika, > > > > Jataka Parijata, Jatakadesh Marg and umpteen other > > astrological > > > > texts. So your information about only Parashara and Varaha > > Mihira > > > > is not factual. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > > > > >> Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > >> > > > >> My answers in CAPS. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Ash, > > > >> Ashtakavarga system is based on Bindus allotted to > > particular > > > >> houses for each of the planet with respect to its > > position > > > >> from the planet whose Ashtakavarga is being drawn. > > > >> > > > >> ASH : YES AGREED. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> The system you are using is based on considering the > > > >> strengths of planets and the Bhavas too. This is the > > system > > > >> generally referred as Parashari or more precisely > Hora > > system > > > >> which also encompasses the Ashtakavarga system. > > > >> > > > >> ASH : ASHTAKVARGA IS A PART AND PARCLE OF VEDIC > > ASTROLOGY AND > > > >> THAT IS WHAT I HAVE ALSO SAID. I HAVE SAID THAT THE > > SYSTEM > > > >> TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT GIVEN IN TEXTS AVAILABLE > TODAY. > > REST > > > >> CLARIFICAITON BELOW. > > > >> > > > >> Ashtakavarga is primarily used to find out effects > from > > > >> Transit of planets and longevity as made clear in > > > >> conversat/i/on/ /between Maitreya and sage Parashara > in > > BPHS. > > > >> Ashtakavarga system is clearly defined in that text. > > > >> > > > >> ASH : THIS IS WHAT THE MISCONCEPTION IS. BASED ON > THE > > TEXTS > > > >> AVAILABLE TODAY. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT ASHTAKVARG > IS > > USED > > > >> ONLY FOR FINDING OUT TRANSIT. IS THAT WHY PARASARA > HAS > > SAID > > > >> THAT TO USE ASHTAKAVARGA FOR INTELLECUTAL PYGMIES OF > > KALIYUGA > > > >> ? I DO NOT THINK SO SIR. THE SYSTEM OF ASHTAKVARGA > IS > > VERY > > > >> DETAILED AND KAS AND VERSES OF ASHTAKAVARGA HAVE BEEN > > BROUGHT > > > >> FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH ARE NOT FOUND IN ANY BOOK > > TODAY. > > > >> IF YOU CLAIM THAT BHPS IS COMPLETE AND THAT ALL THAT > IS > > > >> AVAILABLE ABOUT ASHTAKVARGA IS FOUND AND CODED AND > THERE > > IS > > > >> NO CORRUPTION THEN I WILL NOT INDULGE YOU ANY > FURTHER. > > > >> > > > >> No doubt the system can be adopted to various other > > > >> predictions, as it indicates influences on various > > bhavas. > > > >> Its various uses have been well documented in > numerous > > texts > > > >> besides BPHS and the very short description of > > Varahamihira. > > > >> The assumption that its use is not mentioned for > > different > > > >> uses in any other text but the two you mentioned is > not > > > >> factually correct. > > > >> > > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS USING ASHTAKVARGA IS > NOT > > > >> GIVEN CLEARLY IS IN ANY TEXTS. THAT IS WHAT I AM > > SAYING. > > > >> > > > >> Krushna has developed different parameters and as > long > > as the > > > >> system delivers results there should be no issue with > > that. > > > >> > > > >> ASH : HERE I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT KRUSHNAJI HAS NOT > > > >> DEVELOPED DIFFERENT PARAMETERS AND THIS SYSTEM. HE > HAD > > > >> BROUGHT IT FORWARD. THIS SYSTEM WAS KEPT IN FAMILY > OF > > HIS > > > >> GURU AND THAT WAS TRANSMITTED FROM FATHER TO SON. > > KRUSHNAJI > > > >> WANTED THIS SYSTEM TO REMAIN IN THIS WORLD. THIS > SYSTEM > > MUST > > > >> HAVE BEEN IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE FOR CENTURIES. IF ONE > > > >> UNDERSTANDS THIS SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS MAYBE WHAT AND > > WHY I > > > >> AM INDULDING YOU IN THIS THREAD WILL BECOME CLEAR. > > > >> > > > >> It is easy to say that Parashara and Varahamihira's > > texts > > > >> are corrupted, and they could be. But that does not > prove > > > >> that the bindus used are wrong especially as most of > > other > > > >> parameters that you mention are drawn from these very > > texts. > > > >> > > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING > ASHTAKAVARGA > > IS > > > >> NOT DIFFERENT FROM VEDIC ASTROLOGY. INFACT VEDIC > > ASTROLOGY > > > >> IS MADE CLEAR WITH THE PROPER USE OF ASHTAKAVARGA AND > > KAS. I > > > >> DO NOT THINK PARASARA LIGHTLY MENTIONED THE USE OF > > > >> ASHTAKAVARGA FOR US PEOPLE IN KALI YUGA. A LOT OF > > > >> ASHTAKVARGA AND SANSKRIT SHLOKAS HAVE BEEN LOST. > THIS IS > > > >> WHAT I AM SAYING OR KEPT WITH FAMILES TILL SOMEONE > LIKE > > > >> KRUSHNAJI COMES ALONG AND BRINGS SUCH TECHNIQUES > > FORWARD. > > > >> ITS A BIG CREDIT TO KRUSHNAJI FOR BRINGING FORWARD > THIS > > > >> SYSTEM WITH HAS MADE TIMING OF EVENTS SO EASY. > > > >> > > > >> It is well known that Varaha Mihira was influenced by > > Greek > > > >> astrologers and has adopted some of their methods, so > the > > > >> bindus that he attributes could also have come from > them. > > > >> > > > >> ASH : ONE THING. BAV IS BAV AND BASIC SCHEME SHOUL.D > BE > > > >> SAME. ONLY IN BAV OF MOON AND VENUS THERE IS A > > DIFFERENCE. > > > >> PARASARA AND VARHARMIRA CANNOT HAVE DIFFERENT > OPINIONS. > > > >> EITHER PARASARA'S SCHEME IS CORRUPT OR > VARHARMIRAS'S. > > AT THE > > > >> END OF THE DAY BOTH MUST MATCH. SO ITS INFACT QUITE > > EASY TO > > > >> SAY THAT EITHER PARSARAS OR VARHARMIRAS BAV IS > CORRPUT. > > I AM > > > >> CONFIDENT THAT VARHRMAIRAS HAS REMAINED IN TACT OVER > THE > > > >> CENTURIES AND PARASARAS BAV SCHME IS CORRPUT. IN ANY > > CASE I > > > >> WILL GO BY WHAT KRUSHNAJI HAS TAUGHT ME AS THIS > SYSTEM > > WAS > > > >> KEPT IN HIS GURUS FAMILY AND HE HAS USED THAT FOR > DECADES > > > >> WITH CORRECT PREDICTIONS. SO ITS TIME TESTED BY HIS > > GURUS > > > >> LINEAGE. I AM IN NO POSITION TO MAKE ANY JUDGEMENT > BUT > > CAN > > > >> SAY THAT I AM USNIG VARHARMIRAS SCHEME. > > > >> > > > >> Since you give equal importance to Navamsha and Rasi > > whereas > > > >> I go by the old time system of planetary strength > being > > > >> derived from Navamsha, it might not be possible for > you > > to > > > >> follow my meaning and reasons behind attributing more > > > >> strength to Saturn over Jupiter. > > > >> > > > >> ASH : I AM FINDING STRENGTH USING ASHTAKVARGA BUT FOR > > EACH > > > >> PLANET AND FOR EACH HOUSE. YOU ARE ALSO TRYING TO > FIND > > THE > > > >> STRENGH BUT I AM NOT CLEAR WHEN YOU SAY SHANI IS > STRONGER > > > >> THAN GURU BUT FOR WHAT ? IS IT FOR EVENT OR ALL 12 > > HOUSES ? > > > >> JUST SAYING STRONGER IS VERY GENERAL. IF I WERE TO > ASK > > YOU > > > >> IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH HOUSE OR 10TH > HOUSE. > > > >> THIS IS HOW I AM SEETNG THINGS. AS PER THE WORKSHEET > > > >> STRENGTH GURU IS FAR BETTER FOR 10TH HOUSE AS > COMPARED TO > > > >> SHANI HOWEVER SHANI IS FAR STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH > > HOUSE > > > >> MATTERS. > > > >> > > > >> The question of strength of the two planets was > raised by > > > >> Lakshmi and I was responding to that. I so far as > > influence > > > >> over all 12 Rasis comment is concerned, Vedic > astrology > > does > > > >> think that planets have influence over all Bhavas and > > other > > > >> planets and the way the results would manifest depend > on > > > >> their mutual relation. > > > >> > > > >> ASH : EXACTLY. HERE IN LIES THE ESSENCE OF WHAT I > WAS > > SAYING > > > >> OR TRYING TO SAY FOR SO LONG. THE BEAUTY OF IS THAT > SAV > > > >> ALREADY TAKES CARE OF MUTUAL RELATIONS SO IT BECOMES > > > >> IMPERATIVE THAT BAV IS ACCURATE AS SAV AS U KNOW IS > > DERIVED > > > >> FROM BAV. THAT WAS MY COMMENT ON COMPOUNDING OF > ERRORS. > > > >> THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU SAY THAT SHANI IS STRONGER THAN > GURU > > > >> CONFUSES ME BECAUSE YES FOR 4TH HOUSE SHANI IS > STRONGER > > THAN > > > >> GURU BUT NOT FOR 10TH HOUSE. HERE I AM BEING VERY > > SPECIFIC. > > > >> SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOUR COMMENT ON SHANI BEING > > STRONGER > > > >> THAN GURU WAS CONSIDERING ALL 12 HOUSES AND THE MUTUAL > > > >> PLACMENT FOR ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT TO EACH > OTHER ? > > IF SO > > > >> THEN I AM VERY SURE THAT YOU WILL COME TO THE SAME > > CONCLUSION > > > >> USING WHATEVER WAY YOU USE TO FIND THE STRENGH OF > SHANI > > AND > > > >> GURU I.E NAVAMSA, D CHARTS OR YOGAS ETC WITH WHAT I > HAVE > > > >> SHOWN IN THE WORKSHEET. THEN IF YOU COMPARE SHANI > AND > > GURU > > > >> FOR EACH HOUSE WE WILL HAVE A MORE STRONGER BASIS FOR > > > >> COMPARISION. BUT STILL JUST USING THE WORD STRONGER > I > > AM NOT > > > >> CLEAR OR AM NOT FOLLOWING. THE QUETSIONS THAT COMES > TO > > MY > > > >> MIND .. STRONGER FOR WHAT OR WHICH HOUSE OR WHICH > > EVENT ? > > > >> > > > >> About not considering Navamsha strength, I am not > able to > > > >> follow what you are saying. On the one hand you say > that > > > >> these being equal you do not consider Navamsha in > > worksheet > > > >> and that you only use Navamsha to find samdharmi and > on > > the > > > >> other hand you say that my contention is not correct/. > > > >> / > > > >> > > > >> ASH : RASI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL STATUS AS PER THE > > TEACHINGS > > > >> OF KAS. NAVAMSA IS DERIVED FROM RASI. FOR THE > STRENGH > > AND > > > >> WORKSHEET ONLY RASI IS NEEDED. IF IN CASE OF DOUBT > YOU > > CAN > > > >> GO INTO D-CHARTS AND FIND OUT FROM THAT. I HAVE > > DEMONTRATED > > > >> WITH AN EXAMPLE OF RAMESH'S MARRIAGE. I WOULD HOPE > THAT > > > >> LAKSHMI WOULD COMMENT ON THIS PART. I HAVE NOT SAID > > THAT YOU > > > >> ARE NOT CORRECT. YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND THE STRENGTH > > ALSO > > > >> FROM NAVAMSA. AS PER KAS I FIND THE STRENGTH FROM > > WORKSHEET > > > >> WHICH IS FROM RASHI. FOR D-CHARTS I CAST WORKSHEET > BUT > > ONLY > > > >> PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE. WE DO NOT CONSIDER > ASPECTS > > > >> PART. SO ONLY TOP PORTION OF WORKSHEET IS USED. WE > > BOTH > > > >> ARE FINDING STRENGTH AND I AM USING AV FROM RASI AND > YOU > > ARE > > > >> PROBABLY USING RASI/NAVAMSA/D CHARTS ETC AND SIGN > > PLACEMENT > > > >> TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH. > > > >> > > > >> Again you are talking about timing of events and the > > original > > > >> thread is about Guru's capacity to harm the house > > occupied > > > >> by it/./ > > > >> > > > >> ASH : FOR ME THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF QUESTION. AS PER > > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM PLANETS THAT ASPECT > PRIMARY > > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES I.E. 8TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS, > 5TH > > FROM > > > >> HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND HOUSE UNDER FOCUS FOR EXAMPLE > FOR > > > >> READERS IF YOU ARE TIMING MARRIAGE THEN 2ND, 7TH AND > > 11TH AND > > > >> IF ANY PLANET HAS ASPECT ON THESE HOUSES THEN THEY > WILL > > NOT > > > >> GIVE RESULT IN THEIR ANTRA BUT THEIR SAMDHARMI WILL > GIVE > > > >> RESULT AND THE EXCEPTION IS THAT IF THE PLANET IS > LORD OF > > > >> 10TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS OR 6TH THEN IT WILL GIVE. > > > >> > > > >> GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS > PLACED > > IN > > > >> AND ITS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT > > GIVE > > > >> RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN GENERALLY. ONLY > > EXCEPTION > > > >> IS THAT IF GURU IS IN PISCES SO SUCH A GURU WILL GIVE > THE > > > >> RESULT OF TIMING OF EVENT. SIMILARLY FOR MARS. I > THINK > > ALSO > > > >> SOMETHING SIMILAR IS SAID FOR MARS AS PER VEDIC > TEXTS. > > MARS > > > >> ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND > 8TH > > HOUSE > > > >> SO AS PER VEDIC TEXTS ITS ALSO SAID THAT MARS SPOILS > THE > > > >> HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. FOR SHANI IT DOES NOT ASPECT > ANY > > OF THE > > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES WHEREEVER ITS PLACED SO ITS NOT > SAID > > TO > > > >> SPOIL THE HOUSE AND WILL DELIVER THE RESULT IF IT HAS > > POWER > > > >> AS PER WORKSHEET. SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN NOTED IN TEXTS > AS > > JU > > > >> SPOILS THE HOUSE IT IS PLACED IN AND SHANI DOES NOT. > > MARS > > > >> ALSO CAN BE SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE IT IS IN HOWEVER > THE > > > >> EXCEPTIONS FOR ALL IS IF THE SAME PLANET ALSO RULES > 10TH > > AND > > > >> 6TH FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN IT WILL GIVE THE > > RESULT. > > > >> THIS CAN BE CHECKED AND I AM SURE IT WILL VALIDATE > WITH > > YOUR > > > >> EXCEPTIONS. > > > >> > > > >> SO I AM NOT TAKING PART IN THE DISCUSSION AS FOR ME > > > >> PERSONALLY THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCUSS. THE BASICS > OF > > SUCH > > > >> THINGS ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR AND CONSIDERED BY THE RULES > OF > > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAVARGA SYSTEM. I AM VERY GLAD HOWEVER > TO > > SEE > > > >> THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THIS TOPIC. > > > >> > > > >> ANOTHER THING, GURU IS A HYOCRATIC PLANET. WHENEVER > ONE > > > >> TRIES TO POTRAY GURU AS BAD THERE WILL BE > RESISTANCE. > > THIS > > > >> IS THE POWER OF GURU. I AM SITTING BACK AND READING > WITH > > > >> INTEREST AND SEEING THE MAYA GURU CREATES. FUNNY ITS > > EASIER > > > >> TO BLAME SHANI FOR THINGS AND POTRAY IT AS BAD BUT > > INFACT ITS > > > >> SHANI WHO IS THE PLANET OF TRUTH. > > > >> > > > >> SUCH THIGNS ARE HARD FOR PEOPLE TO DIGEST AND YOU ARE > > GETTING > > > >> SO MUCH OF EXPLAINING TO DO. THIS ITSELF PROVES MY > > POINT AND > > > >> YOUR POINT ALSO. > > > >> > > > >> Anyway let us await Lakshmi's comment about your > > > >> observation on Mercury Antar, though this is not part > of > > the > > > >> original discussions. > > > >> > > > >> ASH : YES, IT WILL BE NICE IF LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON > THE > > > >> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH IF IT HAPPENED IN MERCURY ANTRA AS > PER > > > >> KAY. IF THE DATE IS GIVEN IT WILL BE BETTER. THIS > WILL > > > >> PROVE THE POWER OF THE PLANET AS PER WORKSHEET TO > > DELIVER THE > > > >> RESULTS AFTER FINDING OUT THE DELAY FROM RASHI AND > > NAVAMSA AS > > > >> BOTH HAVE SIMILAR STATUS AS PER KAS. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> THANK YOU FOR THIS DICUSSION, > > > >> > > > >> CHEERS !!! > > > >> > > > >> ASH > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Regards, > > > >> Chandrashekhar. > > > >> > > > >> Ash wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > >>> My answers in CAPS below. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Dear Ash, > > > >>> I forgot that you are using Krushna's > Ashtakavarga > > > >>> system. In that case you must be using Krushna's > > > >>> Ayanamsha. The system you are using is a > > combination of > > > >>> Ashtakavarga and traditional Graha Bhava Bala > > system. > > > >>> > > > >>> ASH : THE SYSTEM I USE IS KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARG > AND > > ITS > > > >>> PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY. I DONT KNOW WHAT U > MEAN BY > > > >>> GRAHA BHAVA BALA SYSTEM. IN SHORT WE CAN > COMPUTE > > THE > > > >>> STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE > AND > > > >>> ALSO FOR ALL 16 D CHARTS. SO ITS VEDIC > ASTROLOGY > > ONLY > > > >>> AND NOT DIFFERENT. AS PER KAS WE DO NOT TALK IN > > GENERAL > > > >>> TERMS AS SHANI IS STRONG OR WEAK BUT WE CAN GO > INTO > > > >>> DETAILS AS PER POINTS AND FIND OUT HOW A PLANET > > WILL ACT > > > >>> FOR EACH HOUSE. IN MOST CASES PLANETS DO NOT > ACT > > BAD > > > >>> FOR ALL HOUSES. IN SHANI ANTRA AS PER RAMESH'S > > CHART IT > > > >>> WILL BE GOOD FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AS COMPARED > TO > > GURU'S > > > >>> ANTRA FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AT THE SAME TIME FOR > > 10TH > > > >>> HOUSE MATTESR GURU WILL BE MUCH STRONGER THAN > SHANI > > AS > > > >>> YOU CAN SEE AS PER POINTS. ABOUT NAVAMSA I SHALL > > > >>> COMMENT BELOW. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> There is no harm in using it as long as results > come > > > >>> true. However it is not a different Ashtakavarga > > system > > > >>> per se. > > > >>> > > > >>> ASH : ASHTAKVARG IS ASHTAKVARG AND HOW TO USE IT > IS > > NOT > > > >>> GIVEN CLEARLY IN ANY TEXTS. PEOPLE ARE UNDER THE > > > >>> IMPRESSION BASED ON CURRENT TEXTS THAT ITS USED > TO > > TIME > > > >>> DEATH OR ITS USE IS LIMITED TO TRANSITS WHICH IS > NOT > > > >>> CORRECT. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT I TRY TO SAY > AND > > > >>> EXPLAIN WHEN PEOPLE COMMENT ON ASHTAKVARGA AND > ITS > > USED > > > >>> ONLY IN TRANSITS. THE WHOLE SYSTEM IN WHICH ITS > > USED TO > > > >>> TIME EVENTS IS NOT WRITTEN IN ANY BOOK OR > CLASSICS > > > >>> DESPITE MANY MAHARISHIS LIKE PARASARA, > VARHARAMIRA > > ETC > > > >>> HAVE ALL MENTIONED ASHTAKVARGA IN THEIR TEXTS. > > > >>> > > > >>> I was talking about a different Ashtakavarga > system > > that > > > >>> you had suggested exists. > > > >>> > > > >>> ASH : I HAVE NOT SUGGESTED ANYTHING OF THAT > KIND. > > > >>> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM IS A SYSTEM IN WHICH > WE > > USE > > > >>> ASHTAKVARGA TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET > FOR > > EACH > > > >>> HOUSE. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY SYSTEM OUT > THERE > > > >>> THAT DOES THAT. RESULTS CAN BE SEEN AT A > GLANCE. > > FOR > > > >>> EXAMPLE RAMESHS MARRIAGE MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED > DURING > > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA. MERCURY HAS THE HIGHEST STRENGTH > IN > > THE > > > >>> CHART FOR 7TH HOUSE. AND IS LOD OR 10TH LORD > FROM > > 7TH > > > >>> HOUSE. MAHADAHSA CAN BE THAT OF SHANI. SHANI IS > > > >>> SAMDHARMI TO NAKTURAL KARAK VENUS OF MARRIAGE. > SO > > SHANI > > > >>> MD/ MERCURY AD CAN GIVE MARRIAGE. THERE ARE 2 > > ZEROES IN > > > >>> BAV ONE DUE TO VENUS AND OTHER DUE TO MARS AND > > MERCURY > > > >>> SO RESULT WILL BE IN LAST SECTOR OF MERCURY > ANTRA. > > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA RUNS IN SHANI MD RUNS FROM 1983/11 > > THRU > > > >>> 1986/JULY. 3RD SECTOR STARTS 1985/07 THRU > > 1986/07. I > > > >>> AM NOT GOING FURTHER. IF THIS IS IN THE BALL > PARK > > ITS > > > >>> GOOD AND ONE CAN NARROW IT DOWN FURTHER WITH SUNS > > > >>> TRANSIT OVER STRONG SIGNIFICATORS FOR 7TH HOUSE > AS > > PER > > > >>> THE WORKSHEET POINTS. MAYBE LAKSHMI CAN VERIFY > > WHEN HER > > > >>> MARRIAGE TOOK PLACE WITH RAMESH. > > > >>> > > > >>> Varahamihira does have a slightly different bindu > > > >>> placement no doubt yet it is only different by > way > > of > > > >>> allowing Lagna to have one more bindu of > influence > > for > > > >>> some planet's Ashtakavarga. So it might not mean > > that > > > >>> other planet is getting a bindu less. > > > >>> > > > >>> ASH : THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT > SCHEME > > THAT > > > >>> IS IN TEXTS TODAY AVAILABLE GIVEN AS PER > PARASARA > > AND > > > >>> WHATS GIVEN OR PRESERVED FROM VARHARAMIRA. BOTH > ARE > > > >>> GREAT SAGES AND THEIR BAV SCHEMES MUST BE SAME. > > > >>> PARASARAS HAS BEEN CORRPUT OVER TIME. THE > > DIFFERENCES > > > >>> IN IN BAV FOR MOONS PLACMENT FROM MOON AND GURU > AND > > > >>> VENUS FROM MARS. THIS HAS VERY DEEP MEANING AND > > SAYING > > > >>> FOR EXAMPLE IF VENUS GETS POWER IF IN 4TH FROM > MARS > > AND > > > >>> IF VENUS IS NOT GETTING POWER OR A BINDU IF IN > 4TH > > FROM > > > >>> MARS HAS A BIG DIFFERENCE. THERE ARE ONLY 337 > > POINTS > > > >>> AND IT WOULD MEAN THAT IF AS IN THE CASE OF > RAMESHES > > > >>> CHART IF HIS 7TH BHAVA GETS 19TH IT MEANS THAT > THAT > > 1 > > > >>> BINDU OF FROM THE POOL OF 337 HAS GONE TO SOME > OTHER > > > >>> HOUSE. IF A PLANET IS IN THAT HOUSE IT MAY GET > 1 > > BINDU > > > >>> MORE STRENGTH AND IT MAY CHANGE THE ENTIRE > CHART. > > IF > > > >>> THAT PLANET IS IN 4TH FROM A MALEFIC PLANET (BY > > MALEFIC > > > >>> I MEAN A PLANET WITH < 4 BINDUS EXCEPT MOON) AND > IF > > THAT > > > >>> PLANET WERE TO GET STRNGTH THEN THAT PLANET > WOULD > > BECOME > > > >>> VERY STRONG FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT WOULD > CHANGE > > THE > > > >>> ENTIRE COMPLEXION OF THE CHART. WITH ASKTAVARG > WE > > ARE > > > >>> VERY PARTICULAR AND THIS IS NOT A TRIVIAL > MATTER. 1 > > > >>> BINDUS CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. > > > >>> > > > >>> I said 19 Bindus as the chart sent by Dear > Lakshmi > > was > > > >>> in that format. Varahamihira has exactly 8 > shlokas > > on > > > >>> Ashtakavarga and his is not a different system. > He > > only > > > >>> has a different opinion about which places are > > > >>> influenced by Lagna in case of some of the > planets. > > > >>> Parashara has, on the other hand, exhaustively > dealt > > > >>> with Ashtakavarga. > > > >>> > > > >>> ASH : THIS IS NOT TRUE. BAV SCHEMES HAVE TO > > MATCH. I > > > >>> DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BY SYSTEMS. > THE > > > >>> CORE AND BASIC OF ASHTAKVARG SYSTEM IS THE BAV > > POINTS. > > > >>> IF PARASARA IS SAYING THAT MOON IS NOT GIVING > > STRENGTH > > > >>> TO 9TH BHAVA WHEAREAS VARHARAMIRA IS SAYING IT > > DOES. > > > >>> THIS IS HUGE DIFFERECE OUT HERE. SIMILARLY MOON > IS > > > >>> BENEFIC IN 2ND FROM GURU AND VARHARAMIRA IS > SAYING > > THAT > > > >>> 1 BINDUS STRENGTH IS NOT GIVEN. THIS IS THE > > BASIC. YOU > > > >>> JUST CANNOT SAY THAT THE DIFFERENCE OF OPINION IS > > > >>> "ONLY". THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. IMAGINE A > SYSTEM > > THAT > > > >>> IS USED ACCURATELY FOR TIMING OF EVENTS THE SAV > > VALUES > > > >>> FROM WHICH THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANEST AND FOR > EACH > > AND > > > >>> EVERY HOUSE IS COMPUTED AND ITS BASED ON SAV AND > > SAV IS > > > >>> BASED ON BAV. IN THE LEAST WHAT YOU ARE SAYING > > MIGHT > > > >>> SURMOUNT TO COMPOUNDING OF ERROR. ACTUALLY IF > YOU > > STUDY > > > >>> HOW ONE COMES TO THE POINTS THAT I HAVE > DISPLAYED > > IN MY > > > >>> PREVIOUS MAILS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHY > I > > AM SO > > > >>> PICKY WITH THIS DISTRIBUTION OF BAV AND STICKING > TO > > > >>> VARHARAMIRA. IF WE DIFFER ON THIS VIEW WE CAN > > AGREE TO > > > >>> DISAGREE. > > > >>> > > > >>> I have already given the reason I think Saturn is > > > >>> stronger than Guru in reply to Lakshmi. > > > >>> > > > >>> ASH : YES, I DID READ YOUR INTERSTING COMMENT > BUT I > > WAS > > > >>> NOT CLEAR ON WHAT YOU MEANT BY STRONGER. > STRONGER > > FOR > > > >>> WHAT EVENTS ? DID U MEAN STRONGER FOR DELIVERING > > > >>> RESULTS OR ALL 12 HOUSES. CAN YOU BE MORE > > SPECIFIC. > > > >>> WHEN I GAVE THE POINTS I AM BEING VERY SPECIFIC > AND > > > >>> COMPARING GURU WITH SHANI FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. I > AM > > BEING > > > >>> SPECIFIC IN SAYING THAT IN GURU ANTRA RAMESH > WILL > > HAVE > > > >>> MORE AUTHORITY AS COMPARED TO SHANI. GURU IS IN > > UPCAHYA > > > >>> FROM 10TH HOUSE AND WITH 5 BINDUS. SO ITS VERY > > EAGER TO > > > >>> GIVE 2ND AND 10TH HOUSE MATTERS. SHANI IS EAGER > TO > > GIVE > > > >>> RESULTS FOR 12TH, 4TH, 11TH, AND 3RD HOUSE IN ITS > > > >>> ANTRA. CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC. I DO NOT > THINK > > SHANI > > > >>> IS BAD FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE AND NEITHER IS > GURU > > IN > > > >>> HIS ANTRA. AGAIN I AM RESTRICTING THE RESULTS > TO > > THE > > > >>> ANTRA. I THINK IF U ARE MORE SPECIFIC THEN WE > > MIGHT BE > > > >>> SAYING THE SAME THING BUT FROM A DIFFERENT VIEW > > POINT. > > > >>> > > > >>> The reason it is not reflected in the table > given > > by you > > > >>> is,as you have indicated Navamsha strength of > > planets is > > > >>> not considered in the system you are using. > > > >>> > > > >>> ASH : THIS IS INCORRECT. THE STRENGTH IS > DERIVED > > FROM > > > >>> RASHI AND THE WORKSHEET POINTS ARE FROM RASHI > ONLY. > > > >>> NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS AS COMPARED TO RASHI. > WE > > USE > > > >>> NAVAMSA FOR FINDING OUT THE SAMDHARMIS AND ALSO > > DELAY. > > > >>> ALL COMBINATIONS HAVE TO BE CHECKED FROM BOTH > RASI > > AND > > > >>> NAVAMSA. BUT FOR FINDING OUT THE STRENGH OF > PLANET > > ITS > > > >>> DONE FROM RASI. A WORKSHEET FOR EACH DIVISIONAL > > CHART > > > >>> IS ALSO CASTED. > > > >>> > > > >>> Using Krushna's Ayanamsha the Navamsha placement > of > > > >>> planets could also change. If you apply the > strength > > > >>> from Navamsha as given in the chart provided by > > Lakshmi, > > > >>> you will see my view point. > > > >>> > > > >>> ASH : IT WILL NOT CHANGE THINGS. I CHECKED AFTER > > > >>> READING THIS COMMENT. IN BOTH CASES USING > KRUSHNAS > > > >>> AYANAMSA AND LAHIRI SHANI REMAINS IN LIBRA IN > > NAVAMSA SO > > > >>> ITS SAMDHARMI TO VENUS. IT WILL REPLACE VENUS > FOR > > THE > > > >>> HOUSE THAT VENUS IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS. > THE > > > >>> POSITION OF MARS CHANGES IN LAGNA THOUGH. MAYBE > IF > > U > > > >>> SEE THINGS WITH MARS BEING IN 12TH INSTEAD OF > 11TH > > YOU > > > >>> MAY SEE MY VIEW POINT. AGAIN I AM EMPHASISING > ON > > THE > > > >>> FACT THAT STRENGTH OR THE WORKSHEET THAT I GAVE > IS > > > >>> COMPUTED FROM RASHI ONLY AND SAMDHARMIS IS > COMPUTED > > FROM > > > >>> RASHI AND NAVAMSA. RASHI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL > > STATUS > > > >>> AS PER KAS AND WE FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES FOR > FINDING > > > >>> DELAY. I HAVE DEMONSTRATED IN THIS MAIL > REGARDING > > > >>> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH WITH LAKSHMI. FOR THAT I HAVE > > > >>> COMPUTED DELAY FOR MARRIAGE USING 2 ZEROES, AND > > SHANI > > > >>> ASPECTING PRIMIARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES FROM > RASHI > > AND > > > >>> THEIR LORDS IN NAVAMSA AND USING WORKSHEET > STRENGTH > > I > > > >>> HAVE COMPUTED THE TIME FRAME. IT WILL BE > > INTERSTING IF > > > >>> LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON THE SAME. THERE IS A > SLIGHT > > > >>> DIFFERENCE IN THE WORKSHEET. SOME HOW IN HASTE > MY > > > >>> AYANAMSA CHANGE BUT IT WILL NOT MAKE A > DIFFERENCE > > FOR > > > >>> MARRAIGE. HERE IS THE CORRECTED VERSION OF THE > > > >>> WORKSHEET. MERCURY STILL HAS 18 POINTS FOR 7TH > > HOUSE > > > >>> AND MOSTLY ALL HOUSES. > > > >>> > > > >>> *Hse* *SAV Pt* *Su* *Mo* > *Ma* > > *Me* *Ju* *Ve* *Sa* > > > >>> *1* 25 17 20 12 > 20 11 > > 7 10 > > > >>> *2* 23 9 16 14 > 22 22 > > 14 12 > > > >>> *3* 31 16 15 12 > 11 4 > > 14 7 > > > >>> *4* 26 11 17 7 > 23 7 > > 10 23 > > > >>> *5* 32 12 23 9 > 19 16 > > 22 15 > > > >>> *6* 32 18 16 18 > 21 5 > > 8 11 > > > >>> *7* 20 10 14 9 > 18 11 > > 18 10 > > > >>> *8* 19 22 12 9 > 25 4 > > 17 10 > > > >>> *9* 28 8 12 14 > 7 5 > > 21 3 > > > >>> *10* 34 17 13 7 > 16 21 > > 16 4 > > > >>> *11* 38 16 15 15 > 21 4 > > 15 19 > > > >>> *12* 29 10 14 11 > 9 8 > > 14 15 > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> THANKING YOU, > > > >>> > > > >>> CHEERS !!! > > > >>> > > > >>> ASH > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Regards, > > > >>> Chandrashekhar. > > > >>> > > > >>> Ash wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi, > > > >>>> There is a difference between a house getting > 20 > > bindus > > > >>>> and a house getting 19 bindus as you are > aware. I > > > >>>> agree both are weak with 20 bindus being a > stronger > > > >>>> than 19 bindus. At the same token if a bhave > gets > > 1 > > > >>>> bindu more it means one other house is getting > 1 > > bindu > > > >>>> less. > > > >>>> It also means that some planet has made a > > favourable > > > >>>> yog w.r.t one house and not with another. Is > it > > not ? > > > >>>> I use Krushnas Ashtakvarga system as you are > also > > aware. > > > >>>> In that SAV is the base from that we derive the > > > >>>> strength of each planet for each and every > house > > and > > > >>>> also for each and every 16 divisional chart. > When > > > >>>> casting the worksheet the aspects are not > > considered in > > > >>>> the D charts only the basis strength. > > > >>>> The BAV values given by Parasara in my opinion > have > > > >>>> become corrupt. The BAV distribution scheme by > > > >>>> Varharamira is correct. The settings are also > > given in > > > >>>> JHL software where you tick off the check boxes > in > > the > > > >>>> lite version. If you use the option of > > Varharamira you > > > >>>> will get 20 bindus for 7th house. It would be > > good to > > > >>>> understand if you have intentionally used > > Parasara's > > > >>>> scheme of BAV or generally use Varharmiras > > scheme ? > > > >>>> To come to the final stength of each and every > > planet > > > >>>> for each house . > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Here is the final strength of planet for > Ramesh's > > chart. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> These are total strength of the planets and > > derived by > > > >>>> considering the following. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> 1) 4:10 > > > >>>> 2) Addition of 5 points for LoD and LoE or 10th > > lord > > > >>>> and 6th lord from house under consideration > > > >>>> 3) Planets in 10th and 6th hosue from house > under > > > >>>> consideration with > 4 bindus. > > > >>>> 4) Planets aspecting primary significator house > i.e > > > >>>> Karak, phal and phalit sthans. > > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspects on karak, phal and > > phalit sthan > > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspect on planets > > > >>>> 6) Adjustment of 12th from house under focus > > > >>>> 7) Adjustment of 6th lord. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> After meticulously considering all these > factors we > > > >>>> come to strength of each planet for each and > every > > > >>>> house. Like that we also compute strength for > all > > d > > > >>>> charts but in that we only conider the strength > for > > > >>>> karak, phal and phalit sthan for each and every > > house. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> You have said that Shani is stronger than > Guru. > > Here > > > >>>> you can see both Shani and Guru at a glace on > how > > they > > > >>>> will deliver their results in their respective > > antar > > > >>>> dasha. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I do hear ya regarding the system not being > > different > > > >>>> from parasara. Actually parasara did give the > BAV > > > >>>> scheme but it has become corrupt over time. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Here Jupiter is in 10th from 10th house so its > > > >>>> foritifying 10th house and also Guru is with 5 > > bindus > > > >>>> in 7th house and in multrikon so its very eager > to > > give > > > >>>> results for 10th house. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> If you see the worksheet you can see Ju is > having > > 22 > > > >>>> points for 10th house and Shani has 7 points > for > > 10th > > > >>>> house. There is a big difference in authority > that > > > >>>> Ramesh would have been bestowed in the antras > of > > Guru > > > >>>> and Shani. > > > >>>> At the same time if you see expenses v/s income > in > > Guru > > > >>>> and shani and compare the 11th v/s 12th points > you > > can > > > >>>> see more expenses in shani compared to Guru > antra. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> *House* *Signs* *SAV* > *Su* *Mo* > > *Ma* *Me* *Ju* > > > >>>> *Ve* *Sa* > > > >>>> 1 Gemini 23 16 19 > 13 20 > > 17 7 16 > > > >>>> 2 Cancer 24 10 15 > 20 23 > > 23 14 16 > > > >>>> 3 Leo 30 9 21 > 9 19 > > 11 11 13 > > > >>>> 4 Virgo 26 7 22 > 9 24 > > 14 4 23 > > > >>>> 5 Libra 33 8 23 > 5 20 > > 22 16 19 > > > >>>> 6 Scorpio 32 16 > 20 21 > > 24 13 9 17 > > > >>>> 7 Sagittarius 20 7 > 19 5 > > 25 17 12 8 > > > >>>> 8 Capricorn 21 15 > 19 9 > > 24 9 12 12 > > > >>>> 9 Aquarius 29 7 > 17 13 > > 11 14 22 9 > > > >>>> 10 Pisces 29 13 > 10 -2 17 > > 22 9 7 > > > >>>> 11 Aries 40 11 21 > 10 26 > > 14 10 19 > > > >>>> 12 Taurus 30 5 21 > 10 19 > > 12 10 20 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Thanks, > > > >>>> Cheers !!! > > > >>>> Ash > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Ash, > > > >>>> Even with 20 points the Bhava lacks > strength, > > is it > > > >>>> not? Saturn there however extends > protection. > > By > > > >>>> the way I am not aware of any Ashtakavarga > > system > > > >>>> which gives differential value of > Bindus/Rekhas > > > >>>> based on Lagna of a native or placement of > a > > planet > > > >>>> in a Rasi, aspects received by it and > > association > > > >>>> with other planets. May I know to which > system > > you > > > >>>> are referring to and the weightage for these > > > >>>> factors given in that system by increasing > or > > > >>>> reducing the Bindus/Rekhas. > > > >>>> If you are talking about using other > > parameters in > > > >>>> association with Ashtakavarga then of > course > > that > > > >>>> is a different matter and would not > constitute > > > >>>> different system than Parashara. > > > >>>> Regards, > > > >>>> Chandrashekhar. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ashsam73 wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Pardon me for my intervention. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I would like to comment on Ashtakavarga. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> 1) It seems that you have used Parasaras > > scheme of > > > >>>>> BAV. With > > > >>>>> Varharamiras scheme you get 20 points in > > Ramesh's > > > >>>>> 7th house. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> 2) For nodes are we know are not planets. > > They > > > >>>>> are used indirectly. > > > >>>>> They are samdharmi to sign lord and > nakshatra > > > >>>>> lord. For natural > > > >>>>> nature as you have said or quoted in > numerious > > > >>>>> posts Rahu is like > > > >>>>> Shani and Ketu like Mars. Functionally > they > > will > > > >>>>> be more like the > > > >>>>> planet i.e. either sign lord or nak lord > as > > per > > > >>>>> the points they > > > >>>>> receive in their BAV. For example, if > Rahu > > is in > > > >>>>> Gemini and nak of > > > >>>>> punarvasu then it will represent Me and > Ju. > > If > > > >>>>> say Ge is 3rd house > > > >>>>> and in 3rd house Ju gets 5 bindus and Me > gets > > say > > > >>>>> 6 bindus then Rahu > > > >>>>> will act more like Mercury. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> 3) With regards to your comment on > > Ashtakavarg not > > > >>>>> using sign > > > >>>>> placement is not entirely correct. If > used > > with a > > > >>>>> proper system the > > > >>>>> sign placement can give idea on quantum of > > result > > > >>>>> and its not used to > > > >>>>> find timing of result. For timing of > result > > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg, SAV and > > > >>>>> total strength of planets derived from SAV > is > > good > > > >>>>> enough to time > > > >>>>> results effectively. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Maybe knowledge of Ashtakvarg that is > > available in > > > >>>>> texts today is not > > > >>>>> complete and may lead to confusion. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg system used is an effective > tool in > > > >>>>> timing of events. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> A couple of points on Ramesh's chart. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> 1) In Ramesh's chart there are 2 > consecutive > > > >>>>> zeroes one given by > > > >>>>> Venus to 7th and one by Mars to 8th. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> 2) Jupiter antra will be very eager to > bestow > > > >>>>> authority to Ramesh and > > > >>>>> also for acquisition of wealth. Between > > 1997/04 > > > >>>>> thru 1999/10 Ramesh > > > >>>>> might have been given a role of > > responsibility. > > > >>>>> Also a good time to > > > >>>>> make investments and accumulation of > wealth. > > > >>>>> Lakshami can verify > > > >>>>> this antra. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Thanking you, > > > >>>>> Cheers !!! > > > >>>>> Ash > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> vedic astrology, > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > Dear Lakshmi, > > > >>>>> > I think in Ramesh's case Saturn is Lord > of > > the > > > >>>>> 9th is it not? He > > > >>>>> not > > > >>>>> > only associates a Kendra Lord but is > also > > is in > > > >>>>> kendra being a > > > >>>>> trine > > > >>>>> > lord. He is also Lord of Navamsha Lagna > > > >>>>> aspecting Lagna, besides > > > >>>>> being > > > >>>>> > placed in a trikona. Jupiter on the > other > > hand > > > >>>>> is Lord of 2nd and > > > >>>>> 11th > > > >>>>> > in Navamsha and in 3rd house. I would > > certainly > > > >>>>> treat Saturn as > > > >>>>> more > > > >>>>> > powerful than Jupiter, even if in Lagna > > Jupiter > > > >>>>> appears to be with > > > >>>>> > greater strength. But there too he is > only a > > > >>>>> Kendra Lord in Kendra > > > >>>>> > associating a trine lord. Since we are > > talking > > > >>>>> about 7th house > > > >>>>> would it > > > >>>>> > not be right to look at the Navamsha > > strengths > > > >>>>> of the planets, > > > >>>>> before > > > >>>>> > coming to conclusion about 7th house? If > we > > look > > > >>>>> at Ashtaka Varga > > > >>>>> then > > > >>>>> > SAV would rather prove my view point as > it > > shows > > > >>>>> 7th house with 19 > > > >>>>> > points. Personally I give more weightage > to > > > >>>>> Natal chart read with > > > >>>>> > Navamsha. the reason is Ashtakavarga do > not > > > >>>>> consider effects of > > > >>>>> nodes , > > > >>>>> > neither do they consider house ownership > or > > Rasi > > > >>>>> occupation > > > >>>>> > weightage.Your opinion would be > appreciated. > > > >>>>> > Chandrashekhar. > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > Om Gurave Namah > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > Namaste Chandrasekar ji, > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in > own > > > >>>>> house/moolatrikona. > > > >>>>> Please > > > >>>>> > > look at the ashtakavarga & bala of > > Saturn. Who > > > >>>>> is more empowered > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>> > > protect the house, based on both > strength > > and > > > >>>>> functionality, > > > >>>>> Jupiter > > > >>>>> > > or Saturn? I request you to ponder on > > this. > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > Regards, > > > >>>>> > > Lakshmi > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > >>>>> > > If I may point out, in Javed's > case > > Guru > > > >>>>> is in own house and > > > >>>>> in > > > >>>>> > > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts > Guru. > > The > > > >>>>> dictum is Sthana > > > >>>>> rakshati > > > >>>>> > > Mandah. Guru's exception to house > > damage > > > >>>>> occurs when he is in > > > >>>>> own > > > >>>>> > > house. > > > >>>>> > > Chandrashekhar. > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > >> Om Gurave Namah > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> Namaste Pradeep ji, > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> I happen to know of individuals > who > > have > > > >>>>> strong Guru in 4th > > > >>>>> and > > > >>>>> > >> 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has > blessed > > the > > > >>>>> individual with > > > >>>>> great > > > >>>>> > >> knowledge, an intelligence that > > borders > > > >>>>> on genius and a rare > > > >>>>> > >> inner harmony. That person, a > devout > > > >>>>> Muslim, is one of the > > > >>>>> finest > > > >>>>> > >> individuals I have ever come > across, > > and > > > >>>>> he is very attached > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>> > >> his family and mother and there > are > > no > > > >>>>> problems what so ever > > > >>>>> on > > > >>>>> > >> the home front. This individual > is > > highly > > > >>>>> esteemed in his > > > >>>>> work > > > >>>>> > >> environment and has all the > comforts > > one > > > >>>>> could desire. > > > >>>>> Infact, > > > >>>>> > >> Guru in 4th is supposed to cast > > > >>>>> sukhargala on lagna, which is > > > >>>>> > >> good for the general health & > > happiness > > > >>>>> of the person. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> The individual with Jupiter & > Saturn > > in > > > >>>>> 7th (Dhanus) is my > > > >>>>> own > > > >>>>> > >> dear husband. We have been very > > happily > > > >>>>> married for nearly 20 > > > >>>>> > >> years. My husband has prospered > > > >>>>> remarkably after marriage. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> I am posting the charts here. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> I request that you also post the > > charts > > > >>>>> of the individuals to > > > >>>>> > >> whom you were referring in your > > post, for > > > >>>>> our edification and > > > >>>>> > >> discussion. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> Regards, > > > >>>>> > >> Lakshmi > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> */vijayadas_pradeep > > > >>>>> <vijayadas_pradeep>/* wrote: > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> I have been trying to test the > > > >>>>> principles taught by you > > > >>>>> > >> related to > > > >>>>> > >> guru in various bhavas. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> When in 3rd always some > > difficulties > > > >>>>> for siblings.Even > > > >>>>> when > > > >>>>> > >> in own > > > >>>>> > >> sign and in 4th,problems for > > mother > > > >>>>> and at home front. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> When in 7th at marriage > > front.When in > > > >>>>> Lagna and not in > > > >>>>> own > > > >>>>> > >> sign some > > > >>>>> > >> physical weakness and health > > problems > > > >>>>> in childhood. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> Thus Guru tests the individual > > > >>>>> thouroughly. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> Also sages have advised that > > Guru is > > > >>>>> not favourable while > > > >>>>> > >> transiting > > > >>>>> > >> kendra houses 1,4,and 10th > from > > > >>>>> moon.Only the 7th kendra > > > >>>>> is > > > >>>>> > >> beneficial.(Is there any > reason > > for > > > >>>>> this?) Only > > > >>>>> 2nd,5th,7th > > > >>>>> > >> and 9th > > > >>>>> > >> are favourable.11th being > good > > for > > > >>>>> all planets in > > > >>>>> general. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> Respect > > > >>>>> > >> Pradeep > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> --- In > > > >>>>> vedic astrology, > > Chandrashekhar > > > >>>>> > >> <boxdel> > > > >>>>> > >> wrote: > > > >>>>> > >> > Dear Anuj, > > > >>>>> > >> > I am glad you agree with > me. > > As you > > > >>>>> rightly said in > > > >>>>> your > > > >>>>> > >> message > > > >>>>> > >> to > > > >>>>> > >> > Razdan,a the dictum is > pretty > > well > > > >>>>> known to > > > >>>>> astrologers. > > > >>>>> > >> There are > > > >>>>> > >> many > > > >>>>> > >> > shlokas to that effects and > > charts > > > >>>>> prove the veracity > > > >>>>> of the > > > >>>>> > >> dictum, I > > > >>>>> > >> > have myself posted a few of > > them > > > >>>>> earlier. > > > >>>>> > >> > Unfortunately there is a > > tendency > > > >>>>> to mix up terms like > > > >>>>> > >> Benefic/Malefic > > > >>>>> > >> > with the results a planet > is > > likely > > > >>>>> to give. This > > > >>>>> happens more > > > >>>>> > >> with > > > >>>>> > >> > Jupiter as people usually > tend > > to > > > >>>>> equate it with > > > >>>>> Deeksha > > > >>>>> > >> Guru as > > > >>>>> > >> his > > > >>>>> > >> > name in Sanskrit is Guru. > > People > > > >>>>> tend to forget > > > >>>>> Parashara > > > >>>>> > >> telling > > > >>>>> > >> when > > > >>>>> > >> > Guru can act as Maraka and > > want to > > > >>>>> attribute only good > > > >>>>> and > > > >>>>> > >> pious > > > >>>>> > >> > attributes to him. I prefer > to > > keep > > > >>>>> my personal > > > >>>>> feelings and > > > >>>>> > >> prejudices > > > >>>>> > >> > apart from application of > > > >>>>> astrological principles. > > > >>>>> > >> > Take care, > > > >>>>> > >> > Chandrashekhar. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > nameisego wrote: > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Respected Chandrashekhar > ji. > > > >>>>> > >> > > Please accpet my pranams > as > > you > > > >>>>> are the senior most > > > >>>>> Guru > > > >>>>> > >> in age > > > >>>>> > >> and > > > >>>>> > >> > > experience in this group. > > > >>>>> > >> > > Your observation about > Guru > > is > > > >>>>> absolutely right. > > > >>>>> > >> > > Self had posted in this > > group and > > > >>>>> elsewhere an > > > >>>>> article on " > > > >>>>> > >> > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" > some > > time > > > >>>>> back where it was > > > >>>>> shown > > > >>>>> > >> Guru's > > > >>>>> > >> > > position in various > houses > > which > > > >>>>> had been > > > >>>>> > >> destroyed/troubled by > > > >>>>> > >> Guru. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva > > > >>>>> > >> > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau > Shanih" > > > >>>>> > >> > > This Dictum had been > proved > > by self. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go > thro' > > > >>>>> older postings and read > > > >>>>> for > > > >>>>> > >> yourself and > > > >>>>> > >> > > check the examples that > were > > given. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Difference between > Jupiter > > and > > > >>>>> saturn is, Jupiter > > > >>>>> sucks the > > > >>>>> > >> goodness > > > >>>>> > >> > > of a house and gives > fruit to > > > >>>>> houses it aspects. > > > >>>>> Saturn > > > >>>>> > >> sucks the > > > >>>>> > >> > > houses he aspects and > > increases > > > >>>>> the house it > > > >>>>> occupies. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Tatvam-Asi > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > --- In > > > >>>>> vedic astrology, PNRazdan > > > >>>>> > >> <pnrazdan> > > > >>>>> > >> > > wrote: > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > >>>>> > >> > > > You seem to be > extending > > your > > > >>>>> arguments against > > > >>>>> Jupiter > > > >>>>> > >> still > > > >>>>> > >> > > further. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Firstly you said that > Jup > > is > > > >>>>> ashub in houses it is > > > >>>>> a > > > >>>>> > >> designated as a > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and > 11 > > > >>>>> based on the principle > > > >>>>> of > > > >>>>> > >> "Karka > > > >>>>> > >> Bhavo > > > >>>>> > >> > > Nasa" > > > >>>>> > >> > > > . Now you say that it > will > > harm > > > >>>>> every house it is > > > >>>>> > >> placed in. > > > >>>>> > >> Why > > > >>>>> > >> > > this > > > >>>>> > >> > > > animosity with Jup, the > > hope of > > > >>>>> millions believing > > > >>>>> in Vedic > > > >>>>> > >> > > Astrology > > > >>>>> > >> > > > (in lighter vein). > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > You refer to some > dictum > > of a > > > >>>>> sage, source was not > > > >>>>> > >> given by > > > >>>>> > >> you. But > > > >>>>> > >> > > > take out any basic book > on > > > >>>>> ancient astrology. It > > > >>>>> always > > > >>>>> > >> speaks > > > >>>>> > >> of > > > >>>>> > >> > > the > > > >>>>> > >> > > > benefic qualities of > > Jupiter. > > > >>>>> Somewhere it is even > > > >>>>> > >> said, that > > > >>>>> > >> > > howsoever > > > >>>>> > >> > > > bad it may be placed > in, it > > > >>>>> will still try to help > > > >>>>> the > > > >>>>> > >> subject. And > > > >>>>> > >> > > > this has been amply > proved > > by > > > >>>>> our experience. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > I am afraid. you will > have > > to > > > >>>>> do some more > > > >>>>> hardwork for > > > >>>>> > >> convincing > > > >>>>> > >> > > all > > > >>>>> > >> > > > about your notions of > > Jupiter, > > > >>>>> the heavenly > > > >>>>> Brahiman. This > > > >>>>> > >> would > > > >>>>> > >> > > even > > > >>>>> > >> > > > mean a paradigm shift > in > > Vedic > > > >>>>> Astrology. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Pran Razdan > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > --- Chandrashekhar > > > >>>>> <boxdel> wrote: > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Reference to Leo was > in > > > >>>>> connection with what > > > >>>>> > >> Shubhangi had > > > >>>>> > >> asked. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Jupiter harming the > > house he > > > >>>>> is placed in is a > > > >>>>> dictum > > > >>>>> > >> given > > > >>>>> > >> by > > > >>>>> > >> > > sages > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > and > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > there is no reason to > > try to > > > >>>>> find out the > > > >>>>> reason. If one > > > >>>>> > >> wants to > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > find > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > the reason about Leo, > > > >>>>> consider this in natural > > > >>>>> zodiac > > > >>>>> > >> Leo is > > > >>>>> > >> in > > > >>>>> > >> > > 5th > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > house whose > occupation by > > > >>>>> Jupiter leads to > > > >>>>> Karaka Bhava > > > >>>>> > >> Dasha. In > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > 11th > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > all planets are > Shubha > > so it > > > >>>>> is not only Jupiter > > > >>>>> who is > > > >>>>> > >> Shubha > > > >>>>> > >> > > there. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Disha strength is one > > amongst > > > >>>>> many strengths > > > >>>>> > >> considered but > > > >>>>> > >> not > > > >>>>> > >> > > as > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > strong as Digbala and > > Jupiter > > > >>>>> gets that in Lagna. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Prafulla Gang wrote: > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar > ji > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > In my humble view, > > (Jupiter > > > >>>>> may not be > > > >>>>> preferred in > > > >>>>> > >> Leo for > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Muhurta, > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > I do not know much > > about > > > >>>>> muhurta related > > > >>>>> > >> configurations),It may > > > >>>>> > >> > > not > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > become weak in > terms of > > > >>>>> Bala necessarily > > > >>>>> (generally > > > >>>>> > >> speaking). > > > >>>>> > >> > > In > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact, jupiter in > 3rd > > house > > > >>>>> in Libra is > > > >>>>> considered bad. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Jupiter in 11th > house > > (any > > > >>>>> sign) will have > > > >>>>> directional > > > >>>>> > >> strength > > > >>>>> > >> > > to > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > initiate for > results. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > There must be more > than > > > >>>>> this reason, for > > > >>>>> jupiter to > > > >>>>> > >> give > > > >>>>> > >> > > negative > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > results. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > regards/Prafulla > Gang > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > --- In > > > >>>>> vedic astrology, > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > <boxdel> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Dear Shubhangi, > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Being an Indian > you > > must > > > >>>>> know that Jupiter > > > >>>>> looses his > > > >>>>> > >> > > strength in > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Leo > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > and that is why > > there are > > > >>>>> no Muhurtas for > > > >>>>> > >> marriages when > > > >>>>> > >> > > Jupiter > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > occupies Leo or > what > > is > > > >>>>> called as Simhastha. > > > >>>>> That > > > >>>>> > >> is due > > > >>>>> > >> to > > > >>>>> > >> > > the > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact of > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Guru lacking > Bala. In > > > >>>>> your brother's case Sun > > > >>>>> > >> being in > > > >>>>> > >> own > > > >>>>> > >> > > Rasi > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > makes > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > him Shubha and > > therefore > > > >>>>> good relations with > > > >>>>> > >> Father. But > > > >>>>> > >> I > > > >>>>> > >> > > would > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > say he > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > would not follow > > father's > > > >>>>> profession. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik > wrote: > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Dear Sir, > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Sorry for > > intervening in > > > >>>>> your session, but > > > >>>>> I am > > > >>>>> > >> curious > > > >>>>> > >> to > > > >>>>> > >> > > know > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > the logic behind > > jupiter > > > >>>>> losing its strength > > > >>>>> in leo > > > >>>>> > >> and > > > >>>>> > >> hence > > > >>>>> > >> > > this > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > email. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Yes, your dictum > > worked > > > >>>>> in my brother's > > > >>>>> case also. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >My brother has > > sun+jup > > > >>>>> in leo but in 8th, no > > > >>>>> > >> doubt he > > > >>>>> > >> is very > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > intelligent but did > > not do > > > >>>>> much well in > > > >>>>> academics > > > >>>>> > >> and yes, > > > >>>>> > >> he > > > >>>>> > >> > > did > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fail once in his > 10th > > class. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >With my half > > knowledge I > > > >>>>> thought the reason > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>> > >> be the > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > positioning > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > of both the planets > in > > 8th, > > > >>>>> but now curious to > > > >>>>> know > > > >>>>> > >> why jup > > > >>>>> > >> > > losses > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > strength in leo. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >But though both > > planets > > > >>>>> are positioned in > > > >>>>> 8th, both > > > >>>>> > >> father > > > >>>>> > >> > > and > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > son shares good > > relation > > > >>>>> with each other. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Shubhangi > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep > 2004 > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar wrote : > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira, > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>There you see > the > > > >>>>> dictum working. Is it > > > >>>>> not? > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar. > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >>>>> > >& > > > >>>> > > > >>> ------------------- - > --- > > ---------------- > > > >>> > > > >>> Mail > > > >>> > > > <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/50x/*http://promotions. > . > > com/new_mail/static/efficiency.html> > > > >>> - 50x more storage than other providers! > > > >> > > > >> ------------------------ - > --- > > ----------- > > > >> > > > >> Mail > > > >> > > > <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/50x/*http://promotions. > . > > com/new_mail/static/efficiency.html> > > > >> - 50x more storage than other providers! > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- - > --- > > ------ > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! > > > > > > > <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/mobile/*http://mobile.. > c > > om/maildemo> > > > > Get it on your mobile phone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Dear Ash Ji, Thank you very much for directing me to Krushnas Astakvarga System. I became one of the member of this group. I think ,I may learn a lot taking help of this system. Please tell me , is there any differences between general astakvarga system and Krushnas Astakvarga System ? I could not open the site of "sageasita.com"as suggested by you. Thanks once again.We may meet in future. Actually I do not get enough time to be online.This is the reason I am always missing you people.Regards. aarceemastro2002ashsam73 <ashsam73 > wrote: Dear Pradeep,Please just call me Ash.My answers in CAPS.--- In vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> Dear Ash ji & Chandrashekhar ji> > This debate on Astakavarga and its importance during chart analysis > is becoming really educative.ASH : I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE LEARNING FROM CHANDRASHEKHAR AND MY DISCUSSION.I was scared to ask any questions due > to my ignorance. But i think i may ask couple of questions of broad > nature.ASH : WHY ARE U SCARED OF ASKING ANY QUESTION ? IT IS AN HONOUR FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO LEARN THIS SCIENCE OF LIGHT AND HELP PEOPLE IN NEED. I HAVE SEEN SUCH NICE POSTS FROM YOU IN THE PAST. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK. I SHALL TRY TO ANSWER EACH POINT IN THE LIMITED TIME AND RESOUCES I HAVE.> > Ash ji, I am glad that your system considers the Vargas as an > inherent division within the Rashi,and it should be like that as > per my humble understanding of Parashara.This gives me confidence and > trust.Now you have said jupiter within the second navamsha,in cancer > is samadharmi to Sun.ASH : BEFORE WE DWELVE ANY FURTHER PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING.1) ASHTAKAVARGA IS TAUGHT BY MAHARISHI PARASARA AND VARHARAMIRA AND MOSTLY ALL BOOKS HAVE REFERENCE AND SHOLKES ON ASHTAKAVARGA. BUT IN NO BOOK A SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING ASHTAKAVARGA IS GIVEN.2) ASHTAKAVARGA IS A TOOL GIVEN AND IS USED IN ALL VARGAS. ITS APPLICABLE IN ALL D-CHARTS. EXPLORE THE FEATURES GIVEN IN JHL AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ITS PROGRAMMED TO GIVE SAV FOR ALL D-CHARTS.3) ASHTAKAVARGA WHEN USED IN A FULL SYSTEM IS USED VERY EFFECTIVELY TO TIME ALL EVENTS. ITS USE IS NOT LIMITED TO TRANSITS AND TIMING LONGEVITY. 4) WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM ALL FACTORS ARE CONSIDERED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. ASHTAKAVARGA IF YOU GO DEEPER AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE THEORY BEHIND KAS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING. I MYSELF HAVE SPEND SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DEEP THEORY BEHIND KAS AND AM TRUELY AMAZED. IT DID NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT BUT IT TOOK TIME AND DEDICATION AND I STILL HAVE MUCH TO LEARN.OK. NOW THAT THIS IS CLARIFIED I SHALL PROCEED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.> > As per my understanding ,any transiting planet will trigger the > planets placed in a house ,their lords and also the lord of the > transiting house.Thus when a planet transits say 3deg 20 to 6 deg > 40, (as you have mentioned) in Cancer,it is also transiting navamsha > of sun, w.r to that Rashi.Thus this transit will trigger Sun and > also Jupiter,as jupiter is placed within that navamsha.Also this is > an intense transit as far as the planet is concerned (exact > navamsha).> > Is this the basis for Samadharmi?ASH : OK. TRANSITS IS A VERY DETAILED TOPIC. IN SHORT I WILL TELL U SOMETHING. YOU CAN STUDY HOW ONE WILL FEEL IN A DAY BY USING SAV. THERE IS A FULL LESSON JUST EXPLAINING THIS. SO THAT COVERES ONE PORTION OF TRANSITS. THE SECOND PORTION OF TRANSITS IS STUDYING INDIVIDUAL TRANSITS. EACH TRANSIT MEANS DIFFERENT THNINGS BASED ON KALPURUSH CHART AND THE NATAL CHART. TRANSIT OF SUN IS MOST IMPORTANT TO TIME EVENTS. SUN IS BOSS OF ALL PLANETS. TRANSIT OF SHANI AND GURU IS VERY IMPORTANT TO STUDY FINANCES. BEFORE YOU GET INTO TRANSITS ONE MUST KNOW CLEARLY THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANETS FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE. THE POWER OF EACH PLANET. PRADEEP I AM FINDING IT HARD TO COMPRESS 35 LESSONS INTO 1 EMAIL. TRANSITS IS A VERY LOADED TOPIC. I SHALL GIVE U REFERENCES BUT I SUGGEST YOU STUDY ONE THING AT A TIME AND NOT CONFUSE MANY THINGS.RELATION BETWEEN RASHI AND NAVAMSA IS MOST IMPORTANT. AGAIN THERE ARE LESSONS ON THIS ALSO. THIS IS CO-TIED AND CO-RELATED WITH SAMDHARMI CONCEPT.WHAT IS SAMDHARMI YOU ASK ? ITS AGAIN A LOADED TOPIC. IN SHORT WHEN PLANETS ARE IN 4:10 AND UNDER CERTAIN CONDITION I.E. PLANET IN 10TH MUST HAVE LESS POINTS I.E. < 4 BINDUS AND PLANET IN 4THF ROM IT MUST HAVE MORE THAN 4 POINTS IN THAT CASE THE 2 PLANETS BECOME POWEFUL SAMDHARMIS. PLANETS IN THE SAME SIGN BECOME SAMDHARMI. WHEN SAY GURU IS BETWEEN 3DEG20 TO 6DEG20 IN CANCER THEN THIS GURU WILL BECOME SAMDHARMI TO SUN AS IT WILL FALL IN NAVAMSA OF SUN. SO AS YOU SAY NAVAMSA DEPOSITER IS CONSIDERED. RAHU AND KETU ARE SAMDHARMI TO SIGN AND NAKSHATRA LORDS. NATURAL SAMDHARMIS ARE VENUS AND SHANI. MOON AND MARS AND SUN AND MARS. IF YOU STUDY KEENLY VENUS AND SHANI ARE YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH OTHERS HOUSES. ALSO IF YOU STUDY MORE CLOSELY THAT VENUS AND SHANI ARE IN 5:9 AND 4:10 RELATION BETWEEN HOUSES OWNED BY THE PLANET SAME FOR MOON AND MARS AND SUN AND MARS. THEY ARE ALSO YOGAKARAKS.SO LIKE THIS PLANETS CAN BECOME SAMDHAMIRS. FOR THAT THERE ARE 2 LESSONS DEDICATED TO EXPALIN THIS CONCEPT. IF A PLANET IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS DUE TO ITS ASPECT ON A HOUSE THEN ITS SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN AND DELIVER IT. LIKE THIS THERE ARE SOME RULES. GURU IS SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE AND 5TH HOSUE IS PRIMARY SIGNFIFICATOR OF THE HOUSE SO ITS GENERALLY SAID TO BE SPOILT AS ITSELF CANT GIVE RESULT. SOME SAMDHARNMI WILL GIVE IT. SIMILARLY IN VEDIC TEXTS ITS GIVEN THAT MARS SPOILS THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND SIMILAR LOGIC AS MARS ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AGAIN TAHT IS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICCATOR HOUSE SO ITSELF CANT GIVE RESULTS GENERALLY SO ITS SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN.LESSON 8 AND 25 ARE DEDICATED TO TEACHING THE CONCEPT OF SAMDHARMIS. FOR THOSE TO WHO THIS TERM MIGHT BE ALIEN, THIS CONCEPT COVERS SO MANY THINGS WHICH IS LIKE YOGAKARAK, PLANEST PLACED IN SAME SIGN, 4:10 OR I AM NOT SURE BUT IT MAYBE CALLED PARASPARAK OR MUTUAL CO-WORKERS, NAVAMSA DEPOSITER, RAHU/KETU, PLANETS IN SAME NAKSHATRRA, PLANETS PLACED IN SAME NAVAMSA SO IT MAY COVER THINGS LIKE SAY IF 2 PLANETS ARE PLACED IN NAV-PANCHAM AND IN EXACT THEN THEY BECOME SAMDHARMI AS THEY WILL COME IN SAME SIGN IN NAVAMSA. LIKE THAT SO MANY THINGS ARE COVERED. PLEASE READ THE LESSONS AND FOR A LEARNED PERSON LIKE YOU, YOU CAN EASILY UNDERSAND IT. > > And i understand ,which planets transit ? will deliver such results > has to be understood based on the values and the chart as a > whole.Here the planets role,SAV and the individual points w.r to > bhavas have a role to play.Am i right?.I am yet to learn the basics > behind these.> ASH : WHEN YOU READ THE LESSONS YOU WILL UNDERSERSTAND THAT THE KEY TO TIMING OF EVENTS LIES IN UPCHAYA HOUSES. BAV-SAV-WORKSHEET CONSIDER SO MANY FACTORS AND FROM THAT WE GET THE STRENGTH OF PLANETS FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE IN NUMERICAL FORMAT. ONCE U KNOW THE STRENGTH OF THE PLANET THEN LIFE UNFOLDS AS PER VIMSHOTTARI DASHSA STARTING FROM MOON. THIS YOU CAN STUDY AS YOU WILL HAVE THE WORKSHEET WITH YOU AND IN ANY ANTRA YOU CAN EASILY SEE HOW A PLANET WHOS ANTRA IS RUNNING WILL ACT FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. IF YOU READ THE LESSONS IT WIL BECOME MORE EASY FOR ME TO EXPLAIN THINGS AS YOU WILL HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OTHERWISE WHAT I AM SAYING WILL SOUND GREEK AND LATIN. ON KAS LIST THERE ARE SO MANY CHARTS SOLVED AND IT CAN ALSO GIVE ONE AN UNDERSTANDING ON THE SYSTEM AND USE OF ASHTAKAVARG.> Now one question,similar to what Chandrashekhar ji has asked - Does > this system account for the navamsha rashi relation ,while deriving > strengths? ASH : WHEN YOU READ LESSONS 8 AND 25 THIS QUESTION WILL GET RESOLVED. YES ALL RELATIONS ARE CONSIDERED. WHEN YOU FIND SAMDHARMI ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED.For example if Jupiter is within capricorn navamsha,while > arriving at strength of jupiter is this point considered?Does any > Ashtakavarga system take into account varga positions while arriving > at strength?ASH : ASHTAKAVARGA GIVES STRENGTH OF PLANETS AND WORKSHEET WHICH IS DERIVED FROM SAV GIVES COMBINED EFFECT. FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR ALL 12 HOUSES IN NUMERICAL FORMAT. WHEN GURU GOES IUN NAVAMSA OF SHANI IT BECOMES SAMDHARMI TO SHANI. IF GURU IS IN SAY FIRST 3DEG20 TO 6DEG40 IN CAPRICORN THEN ITS SAMDHARMI TO GURU AND THE MULTIPLICATION FACTOR IS 0.8. THIS PART IS LESSON 27. IF GURU WERE TO BE IN CANCER AND BETWEEN 2O AND 23DEG20 THEN IT WILL STILL BE SAMDHARMI TO SHANI AS IT WILL BE IN NEECHA STHAN OR IN CAPRICORN IN NAVAMSA BUT IN RASHI ITS IN CANCER SO THE MULTIPLICATOIN FACTOR WILL BE 1.4. ASHTAKAVARGA ITSELF IS A SYSTEM TO FIND THE STRENGH OF PLANET. ONCE U STUDY WHAT THE FINAL WORKSHEET MEANS THIS QUESTION ON TRYING TO FIND STRENTH USING SIGN PLACMENT WILL NOT BE NEEDED AS ASHTAKAVARGA TOOL IS USED TO FIND THE STRENGTH. WITH ASHTAKAVARGA ONE STUDIES EACH PLANET STRENGTH FROM WITH RESPECT TO LAGNA AND 7 PLANEST. SAY GURU IS IN CANCER AND LAGNA IS CANCER SO FROM LAGNA GURU IS IN 1ST, BUT SAY SUN IS IN 8TH THEN FROM SUN THIS GURU IN CANCER WILL BE IN 6TH HOUSE. JU AND MO IN 6:8 RELATION IS ? THEN SAY IF SHANI IS IN 12TH HOUSE THEN GURU AND SHANI ARE IN 2:12 IS THIS GOOD OR NOT DESPITE GURU BEING IN UNCHA STHAN. NOW WHEN U STUDY THE SAME FROM ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ALL THESE ARE CONSIDERD WHEN THE BAV TO SAV IS CAST. ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED INDIRECTLY. THIS GIVES THE STRENGTH OF PLANEST WHICH IS USED TO TIME EVENTS. YOU CAN THEN ADD THE LAYER OF SIGN PLACMENT WHICH IS GIVEN IN LESSON 27 BUT THIS IS NOT NEEDED TO TIME EVNETS. SIGN PLACMENT GIVES US THE BACKING THE PLANET HAS FROM THE SIGN. IF GURU IS CANCER THEN THERE THE MULTIPLICATON FACTOR IS 1.4 SO IT MEANS THAT GURU HAS 140% BACKING FROM SIGN. SO IF GURU IS SAY IN 4TH HOUSE FOR SAY ARIES LAGNA AND ITS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS THEN IT WILL BE VERY VERY EAGER TO GIVE MARRIAGE. NOW IF THE DELAY PERIOD IS OVER AND IF GURUS ANTRA COMES THEN MARRIAGE WILL HAPPEN. SAY IF GURU IS IN CAPRICORN AND AQUARIUS IS LAGNA. THEN THIS GURU IS IN 12TH HOSUE AND IF SUCH A GURU IS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS AND ANTRA OF GURU COMES THEN THIS GURU WILL BECOME VERY EAGER TO GIVE MARRIAGE DESPITE BEING IN CAPROCORN. NOW GURU IS IN CAPROCORN SO THE RESULTS WILL BE FELT WITH A MULTIPLICAON FACTOR OF 0.8. I DONT KNOW IF ALL THIS MAKES SENSE TO YOU BUT IF U GO THROUGH THE LESSONS ALL THIS WILL MAKE SENSE TO YOU AS U WILL HAVE SOME CONTINUITY.Or does it mean, strength of a planet vis-a-vis > temporal/natural relationships has to be understood/evaluated > outside the relams of ashtakavarga, and then ashtakavarga principles > have to applied on top.> ASH : WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A SYSTEM I.E. KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM THEN ONE SHOULD USE FULL SYSTEM. THE SYSTEM USES GRAHA DRISTI, ALL VARGAS, ASHTAKAVARGA AND ALL THE THINGS THAT U CALL VEDIC ASTROLOGY. BUT THERE ARE SOME RULES THAT ONE MUST UNDERSTAND AND THEORY OF KAS AND HOW UPCHAYA HOUSES IS USED TO TIME EVENTS.> Kindly explain.> ASH : I HAVE TRIED MY BEST TO EXPLAIN. THERE ARE 35 LESSONS AND YOU HAVE ASKED ME UNKNOWINGLY TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS TO YOU IN 1 MAIL LOL...I HAVE TRIED. JUST KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND READ THE LESSONS.THE LESSONS ARE FOUND IN THE FILE SECTION IN /PLEASE READ THEM AND I AM SURE YOU WILL UNDERTAND IT AND WILL BE ABLE TO TIME EVENTS VERY NICELY. IF NOT IT WILL STILL IN THE LEAST SHOW YOU AND REMOVE THIS MISCONCEPTION THAT ASHTAKAVARGA CAN BE USED FOR TRANSITS AND TIMING LONGEVITY ONLY.I HOPE THIS MAIL HELPS.> Thanks> Pradeep> > > vedic astrology, Ash <ashsam73> wrote:> > Dear Chandrashekhar,> > There is no contradiction. Maybe in your confused state you are > making such assumptions. > > > > Firstly as you are very well aware that the chart must be looked > as a whole. For that you consider all parameters and for that you > have the entire worksheet. That gives the total strength which I > have given for Sa = 10 and Ju = 11. Individual points of Sa = 1 and > Ju = 5. These points are obtained in the SAV by Ju and Sa. > Worksheet is derived from SAV. This part I do not think you will > understand unless you study the method that is used to derive the > entire worksheet. This part is not given in any book and that is > what I mention so it will be beyond your comphrehension for now. I > have given the website of Krushnaji and you can download the > worksheet and study it and let me know.> > > > Now You have talked of logic of Sa = 1 and Ju = 5 but what about > aspects ? What about 6th lord, What about aspects on Sa and Ju, > what about if Sa and Ju rule any upchaya houses and the special > consideratoins ? > > > > Have u just seen one points and came to conclusion that Ju is > stronger than Sa ? > > > > If so then its the system that you use is causing all confusion > and that 2 people using same technique of finding out strength are > coming to different conclusions ? > > > > The strength given in the final worksheet will determin how the > planets will deliver their results for all houses. > > > > If Guru is in say 3deg20 to 6deg40 in cancer it will become > samdharmi to Sun in navamsa. So such a guru can step in for Sun if > sun is unable to deliver the results.> > > > I agree with you. The system you are using to find strength there > is no consistency. Someone studies the same chart and will say that > Ju is stronger than Sa and someone else will Say that Sa is stronger > than Ju. There is too many contradiction that exist in the system > you study.> > > > Ashtakvarga has removed all these contradiction as the each planet > is studied from 8 different angles.> > > > In the end I will say that its Parasara who said that Ashtakavarga > is to be used by us people in Kali Yuga. > > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:> > Dear Ash,> > I am now more confused than ever. You said " AS PER KAS ITS BETTER > TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN THEIR NEECHA STHAN AS 3 > PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET IS WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE > THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3 OTHER HOUSES STRONG > AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM STRONG. SO OVERALL > ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND BECOME MORE THAN 12.". > So by this logic would not Saturn who has only one point be stronger > than Jupiter who has 4 points?> > If you are using Vimshottary Dashas as you stated, then to the > best of my understanding Planets who are Neecha give more of their > malefic nature results than had they been in Uccha. Is a different > Vimshottary dasha system being used here? Again you say that > strength of Navamsha and Rasi are equal in your system. Vedic > Jyotish tells us that Navamsha strength overrules Rasi strength. For > example a planet exalted in Rasi but debilitated in Navamsha can > only give results as if debilitated and one debilitated in Rasi if > exalted in Navamsha shall give results as if exalted. Since the > system is totally different from what is known as Vedic Jyotish in > the parameters used, I do not think we can agree to the way we look > at the strengths of planets. There are many such contradictions and > I am only pointing out two of them as illustrations.> > Regards,> > > > Ash wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar,> > My answers in CAPS.> > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:> > > > Dear Ash,> > I did not use Ashtakavarga to indicate timing of events at all but > only to illustrate a point from a different angle. My intention was > to illustrate that Jupiter's position has not strengthened the Bhava > under consideration. If I remember right even that was in response > to somebody's response mentioning Ashtakavarga Points.> > > > ASH : I AM ALSO ILLUSTRATING THE POINTS BUT FROM THE VIEW POINT OF > ASHTAKVARGA OR ONE CAN SAY THAT I AM USING THE TOOL OF ASHTAKVARGA > TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. IF YOU SAY THAT BASED ON THE > RELATIVE POSITIONING OF GURU AND SHANI YOU HAVE COMPARED THE > STRENGTH OF BOTH AND THE END RESULT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT GURU IS > WEAKER THAN SHANI THEN FROM THE ASHTAKVARGA VIEW POINT ITS NOT > MATCHING. SINCE ASHTAKVARGA IS CONSIDERING ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT > TO EACH OTHER AND ALSO FROM LAGNA USING ASHTAVARGA AS A TOOL I DO > NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. SAV TAKES CARE OF THAT FROM ALL 8 > ANGLES.> > > > > > I fail to understand how strength is on the one hand calculated on > placement of bindus are considered to be the final strengths and in > the same breath said to be arrived at based on a system which takes > into consideration Navamsha strengths. Again how can a system that > considers Navamsha strength for only a specific purpose like delays > be said to apply all the principles of Vedic astrology? > > > > ASH : THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM. THE > FINAL STRENGTH IS DERIVED FROM SAV AS THE BASE. THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF > TIMING IS USING UPCHAYA HOUSES, ASPECTS ON PLANET AND PRIMARY > SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE, 4:10 RELATIONSHIPS, WE DO NOT CONSIDER BENEFIC > ASPECT OF 6TH LORD OR 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND SPECIAL > CONSIDERATION TO 10TH LORD FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO 6TH FROM > HOUSE UNDER FOCUS (IN SHORT UPCAHYA HOUSES). THIS IS ALL DONE TO > THE SAV POINTS. SO THE FINAL POINTS THAT ONE GETS AND JUST TO > CLARIFY WHICH IS THE WORKSHEET THAT I HAD REPRODUCED ON ALL THE > STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE WHERE YOU CAN SEE > THE STRENGTH AT A GLANCE IS FINALLY ARRIVED AT. THAT IS THE FINAL > STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. BASED ON THIS STRENGTH YOU CAN USE IT ALONG > WITH VIMSHOTTARI DASHA STARTING FROM MOON ONLY WILL GIVE HOW THE > ANTRA WILL DELIVER RESULTS FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT YOU CAN SEE AT A > GLANCE. I BELEIVE YOU ALSO AGREE THAT THE ANY ANTRA WORKS FOR ALL > 12 HOUSES> > AT THE SAME TIME MAYBE GIVING GOOD RESAULT FOR SOME HOUSES AND > MAYBE MALEFIC FOR SOME OTHER. > > > > THIS WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO HONE INTO WHEN I ASKED YOU FOR > WHICH HOUSE IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR ? FOR 7TH HOUSE ALSO > BOTH HAVE LESS THAN 12 POINTS SO BOTH ARE NOT CONDUSIVE TO 12TH > HOSUE MATTERS HOWEVER IF U COMPARE BOTH GURU IS STRONGER THAN SHANI > FOR 7TH HOSUE MATTERS. FOR 10TH HOUSE MATTERS GURU IS FAR STRONGER > THAN SHANI. I WILL REVERT TO THE POINTS MISCONCEPTION BELOW.> > > > Is the confusion on account of trying to analyze timing of events > vis-a-vis the strengths of Bhavas and the Grahas? Or is it due to my > inability to convey my meaning or understanding yours?> > > > ASH : HOW WOULD YOU TIME ANY EVENT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE > STRENGTH. AS PER MY UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE USING ANY SYSTEM TRY TO > FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. YOU CAN STUDY IT FROM SHAD BAL, > YOU CAN STUDY IF ITS ATMAKARAK OR DARAKARAK ETC ETC THEN STUDY ITS > AVASTHA ETC ETC THE YOGS ITS MAKING, IF ITS YOGAKARAKA, OR MAKING > ANY MAHAYOGA ETC, STUDY IT FROM SUN/MOON/LAGNA/HL/GL/BL/AK/AL ETC > ETC.. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT SOME HOW OR THE OTHER ONE > PERSON WHO IS STUDYING THE CHART IS TRYING TO GAUGE IF THIS PLANETS > STRENGTH TO SEE IF THE PLANET WILL DELIVER THE RESULT. SOME CALL IT > FRUTIFICATION OF YOGAS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY ONE PERSON IS > TRYING TO GAUGE BY FINDING OUT THE BAL IF THE PLANET WILL GIVE THE > RESULT. THAT IS WHAT I CALL TIMING. PERSON ASK WHEN WILL MY DEBT > GET OVER ? WHEN WILL I MARRY ? WHEN WILL I HAVE CHILDREN ? WHEN > WILL MY HEALTH CRISIS GET OVER ? AND SO MANY SUCH QUESTIONS ARE > POSED. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR TIMING OF EVENTS. > > > > WITH KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM I AM FINDING OUT THE STRENGTH > USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM. WHEN I SAY A SYSTEM I MEAN I > AM USING VIMSHOTTARI DASHA, UPCHAYA HOUSES, SAV, BAV, PAV, TRANSITS, > CERTAIN SPECIAL LAWS LIKE GURU IN LIBRA, VENUS IN KRITTIKA, AADRA, > MOOLA, JAYESHTA, SUN TO VENUS DISTANCE, SOME RULES ON SAV AND THEN > FINALLY I GO THROUGH A TEDIOUS PROCESS OF CASTING THE WORKSHEET > WHICH I HAD DISPLAYED WHICH USES SAV AS THE BASE AND FROM THAT THE > THINGS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED SUCH AS 4:10 REPLATIONSHIPS, ASPECTS > ON PLANETS, ASPECTS ON PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES, BENEFIC ASPECT > ADJUSTMENT FOR 6TH LORD AND 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO > PLANETS IN UPCHAYA'S WITH > 4 BINDUS ETC. AFTER THAT I COME TO THE > FINAL STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. AS PER KAS NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS > AS COMPARED TO RASI. THEN WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF FINDING > SAMDHARMI. WHAT YOU WOULD CALL, NAVAMSA DEPOISTER, NATURAL > SAMDHARMIS I.E. VENUS AND SHANI , MOON AND MARS, SUN AND MARS. I > BELEIVE> > THESE ARE CALLED YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH OTHERS CHART. 4:10 IS THE > MOST POWEFUL SAMDHARMI WHERE IF PLANET IN 10TH HAS < 4 BINDUS AND > PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT HAS > 4 BINDUS. LIKE THIS ITS A WHOLE > SYSTEM. EACH AND EVERY FACTOR IS CONSIDERED.> > > > THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS NOT EXISITING IN PHALDIPIKA, BPHS, TEXTS BY > VARHARMIRA OR ANY OTHER SCHOLAR DESPITE ALL TEXTS MENTIONING > VERSES. EVEN SOME VERSES ARE MISSING THAT WAS GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI IN > HIS WRITEUP.> > > > WHAT YOU HAD SAID THAT ASHTAKVARGA DOES NOT CONSIDER SIGN > PLACEMENT IS ALSO A PART OF THE ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM. HOWEVER WE DO > NOT NEED IT TO TIME EVENTS. WE USE WHATS CALLED THE MULTIPLICATION > FACTOR TABLE FOR EXAMPLE MERCURY IN VIRGO HAS MULTIPLCAITON FACFTOR > OF 1.4 AND SO DOES GURU IN CANCER. SUCH THINGS GIVE US FURTHER > CLARITY ON HOW THE RESULT WILL "FEEL" BUT IS NOT NEEDED TO TIME > EVENT.> > > > THIS IS WHAT I CALL A FULL SYSTEM AND I KEEP SAYING THAT SO MUCH > OF ALL THIS IS GONE / VANISHED FROM THE ANTIENT TEXTS. I HOPE NOW U > WILL UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BY WHATS AVAILABLE ON ASHTAKAVARGA IS A > FRACTION AND ITS USE AS A SYSTEM IS NOT THERE AT ALL IN ANY TEXTS > FOR TIMING OF EVENTS. > > > > THIS IS WHAT I KEPT SAYING THAT THIS SYSTEM MUST HAVE EXISTED IN > ANTIENT TEXTS WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH WAS > TAUGHT BY HIS GURU AND WAS KEPT IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE.> > > > You are perhaps talking about Prastarashtakvarga when you say BAV, > since in BAV I do not think a planet's BAV can get 10 or 11 bindus > in that you mention in any Bhava. The maximum that might be > received would be around 7. Use of prastarashtkavarga is for > movement of transit planet in that planet's kakshya and the number > of bindus received from the planet makes him a bindu pradata.> > > > > > ASH : NO I AM NOT TALKING OF PRASTARASHTAKAVARGA. I DID ALLUDE TO > THAT IN MY MAIL TO LAKSHMI. WHEN I TOLD HER THAT ONLY VENUS WAS > GIVING HIS FAVOURABLE VOTE TO SHANI OR SHANI WAS MAKING A FAVOURABLE > WITH VENUS. SIMILARLY I WENT INTO FURHER DETAIL TO EXPLAIN THAT > GURU GETS 5 BINDUS AND WHICH OF THE 5 PLANET/LAGNA WAS SUPPORTING. > I WAS NOT MEANING TO GO INTO THIS MUCH DETAIL BUT SUCH THINGS ARE > USED TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL. THE 10 AND 11 BINDUS IS THE TOTAL > POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET AS THE FINAL STRENGH OF THE PLANET WHICH IS > CALCUALTED AS I HAVE MENTIONED ABOVE I.E KEEPING SAV AS THE BASE AND > THEN USING THE ASPECTS, 6TH LORDS, ASPECT ON PALNET ETC ETC. THE > FINAL STRENGTH AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS TEDIOUS PROCESS WERE THE > POINTS I HAVE WRITTEN. THIS IS THE FINAL STRENGTH OF ALL 7 PLANETS > FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THE FINAL STRENGTHS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND > ANYTHING LESS THAN 12 MEANS MALEFIC AND GREATER THAN 12 MEANS > BENEFIC. 12 IS NEUTRAL. IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSAND THE ENTIRE> > PROCESS IN WHICH I CAME TO THE 11 AND 10 POINTS FOR GURU AND > SHANI FOR 7TH HOUSE I WILL REVERT IN A SEPERATE MAIL OR WILL REFER > YOU TO THE APPROPRIATE TEXTS.> > > > I did not want to get into an argument where two different systems > are being used. > > > > ASH : I AM NOT ARGUING I AM DISCUSSING. I AM TAKING YOUR EACH > POINT AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN MY VIEW POINT. SO PLEASE DO NOT > CONSIDER THIS AS AN ARGUMENT AT ALL. I HOPE OTHERS WHO ARE READING > WILL ALSO LEARN FROM THIS AND THE EFFORT.> > > > However if you want to consider strengths on the basis of number > of Bindus given by a Planet then would it not be relevant that > Jupiter can get 56 Bindus whereas Saturn only 39 ? > > > > ASH : GURU IS A BENEFIC WHY ? WHY IS SHANI CALLED A MALEFIC ? IF > YOU STUDY IT FROM ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ITS ALL IN NUMERICAL > VALUE. GURU HAS BEEN ALLOCATED 56 BINDUS AND SHANI AND MARS HAVE > BEEN ALLOCATED 39 BINDUS ONLY. IT MEANS THAT GURU CAN MAKE MORE > FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI AND MARS. SO WE CAN SAY GURU > IS BENEFIC AS 7 PLANETS AND LAGANAS WILL DISTRIBUTE 56 POINTS SO > MORE CHANCES OF GURU TO MAKE FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI > AND MARS. EACH AND EVERYTHING HAS MEANING. SUN HAS 48 POINTS. > MAX POINTS A HOUSE CAN RECEIVE IS 96 AND SUN RECEIVES 48 SO ITS > CALLED KRUR OR YOU CAN SAY ALSO ON BORDERLINE. > > > > Would this then mean that a debilitated Jupiter will be stronger > than exalted Saturn in a hypothetical horoscope and still that would > be application of principles of Vedic Astrology? I would not think > so.> > > > ASH : FOR TIMING OF EVENTS ITS IMMETERIAL WHERE GURU IS PLACED IN > WHICH SIGN AND WHERE SHANI IS PLACED. HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE. YOU > ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET USING SIGN PLACEMENT > AND AS PER ASHTAKVARGA I DONT NEED TO CONSIDER THAT FOR TIMING OF > EVENT. YES SHANI BEING PLACED IN LIBRA HAS MULTIPLICATION FACTOR OF > 1.4 AND GURU IN CAPRICORN HAS MULTIPLCATION FACTOR OF 0.8. BUT > AGAIN TO TIME AN EVENT I AM EMPHASISING THAT YOU DO NOT NEED THE > SIGN PLACEMENT BUT INSTEAD YOU NEED THE FINAL POINTS IN THE > WORKSHEET. THAT IS ENOUGH TO TIME THE EVENT.> > > > MAYBE YOU HAVE NOT COME ACROSS A SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT USE THE SAME > PRINCIPLES TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET THE WAY YOU USE IT. SO > YOU MAY FIND THIS DIFFERENT OR I CAN EVEN SAY SHOCKING. YOU DO NOT > NEED THE SIGN PLACEMENT TO JUDGE THE STRENGTH, ASHTAKAVARGA STRENGTH > IS WHATS NEEDED.> > > > PEOPLE USING SIGN PLACEMENTS MAY INVARIABLY COME TO DIFFERENT > CONCULUSIONS JUST AS IN THE CASE THAT YOU AND LAKSHAMI CAME TO. ONE > SAYS GURU IS STRONGER AND OTHER SAYS SHANI IS STRONGER. WITH > ASHTAKVARGA ITS ALL SHOWN BY NUMBERS AND THERE WILL NOT BE ANY > ANOMOLY. ALL WILL COME TO THE SAME CONCULUSION.> > > > EITHER I AM NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OR YOU ARE > NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM SAYING.> > > > AS PER KAS ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN THEIR > NEECHA STHAN AS 3 PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET IS > WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3 > OTHER HOUSES STRONG AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM > STRONG. SO OVERALL ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND > BECOME MORE THAN 12.> > > > IF PLANETS HAVE > 5 BINDUS THEN THE WILL SEND MALEFIC DRISTI. > GURU HAS 56 BINDUS AND GENERALLY IF U DIVIDED THAT BY 12 EACH HOUSE > GETS APPROX 5 BINDUS. SO MOSTLY GURU HAS > 4 BINDUS IN CHART. SO > SUCH GURU WILL MAKE 1 HOUSE STRONG HOWEVER IT WILL REDUCE 3 HOUSES. > > > > > > Regards,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > Ash wrote:> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,> > My answers in CAPS.> > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:> > > > Dear Ash,> > Even by your method of assessing strength from Rasi placement, > Saturn is stronger is it not? > > > > ASH : PLEASE REFER TO THE POST GIVEN BELOW. I HAD WRITTEN A POST > JUST AFTER AND HAVE SAID THAT IT WAS A TYPO. GURU HAS 11 POINTS AND > SHANI HAS 10. YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE WORKSHEET I HAD GIVEN. > BOTH OF THEM ARE MALEFIC FOR 7TH HOUSE MATTERS. BOTH JU AND SA ON > THEIR OWN CANNOT SAY GIVE MARRIAGE A 7TH HOUSE MATTER IN THEIR ANTAR.> > > > vedic astrology/message/44680> > > > The original thread had nothing to do with timing of events which > you are reverting time and again. > > > > ASH : AGREED. BUT YOU DID USE ASHTAKVARG AND I AM GIVING MY VIEW > POINT BASED ON ASHTAKAVARGA ON THE BAL OF GURU AND SHANI FOR 7TH > HOUSE AND NOT ONLY 7TH HOUSE BUT FOR ALL HOUSE. I HAVE ALSO GONE > AHEAD AND MADE A PREDICTION ON MARRIAGE AND HOW GURU WILL ACT AND > SHANI TOO AS A PART OF MY ANALYSIS. I BELEIVE THE PROOF OF THE > PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING THAT IS WHY I MADE A PREDICTION ON MARRIAGE > SO THAT ITS JUST NOT THEORY BUT ITS APPLICATION. NOW I DO NOT KNOW > HOW MUCH OF WHAT I HAVE PREDICTED IS CORRECT OR WRONG. BUT IN MY > OPINION THE WORKSHEET I HAVE GIVEN HAS CONSIDERED ALL FACTORS THAT > IS NECESSARY AS A TOOL TO TIME EVENTS. > > > > Since, as I had said earlier, the method you are using is based on > Ashtakavarga being used to derive strength of planets my comments on > your arguments would not be fair. > > > > ASH : ANY WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT IT OR USING ANY TOOL GIVEN BY THE > MAHARISHIS AS PER SO MANY TEXTS AND BY MANY AUTHORS THE END RESULT > SHOULD COME OUT TO BE SAME. > > > > I have all along been illustrating what is the position per Vedic > Astrology. I have already given the reasons why Saturn is with > strength.> > > > ASH : I HAVE ALSO USED VEDIC ASTROLOGY. ASHTAKVARGA IS A > WONDERFUL TOOL TO ASCERTAIN THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET WITHOUT ANY > DOUBTS. ITS FINAL RESULTS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND IS CRYSTAL > CLEAR. > > > > > > Regards,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > THANKING YOU,> > > > CHEERS !!!> > > > ASH> > ashsam73 wrote:> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,> > So when you said Shani is stronger then Guru you had meant for 7th > > house only ? Is my understanding correct.> > > > As per the worksheet both Shani and Guru are weak for 7th house > for > > Ramesh. Shani has 11 points and Guru has 10. As per the > worksheet > > any planet having less than 12 is weak for the house. 12 is > neutral > > and greater than 12 is benefic. Now if you were to get down to > nitty > > gritty then I would say that Guru is stronger than Shani by 1 > point.> > > > Guru is in namvasa of Aries and hence samdharmi to Mars and mars > is > > not condusive to 7th house matters being 6th lord. Shani is in > libra > > who is Lord of 12th house and primary upchaya for 7th house. > Venus > > and Shani are natural samdharmi.> > > > Both Sa and Ju are not condusive for timing of events for 7th > house.> > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > <boxdel> > > wrote:> > > Dear Ash,> > > I was referring to your statement that verses not found in any > > book. > > > The reason that this is not clear to you is perhaps we are > > wandering > > > from original thread. For example you are talking about Guru > being > > > stronger for 10th house where as if I remember right, the thread > > started > > > about Jupiter being strong for 7th house as per Lakshmi's > > assessment.> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > Ash wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,> > > > > > > > The fact still remains. The BAV scheme given by Parasara is > > different > > > > from Varharamira. This is one point and this is factual. One > of > > them > > > > is corrupt. I am saying the scheme Parasara has given has > become > > > > corrupt over time. The scheme Varharmira has given has been > > preserved > > > > in time. The two schemes cannot be different. > > > > > > > > I am not clear to which point you are alluding when you say > that > > my > > > > information about Parasara and Varharmira is not factual. The > > BAV > > > > scheme given by Parasara is different from Varharamira. This > was > > > > visible in Ramesh's chart when you said using parasarsa BAV > > scheme > > > > when 7th bhava got 19 bindus and using Varharmiras BAV scheme > it > > comes > > > > to 20. I am not going into other books. The point that I am > > > > emphasising is that BAV scheme given by Parasara or Varharmira > or > > any > > > > other maharishi cannot be different.> > > > > > > > Ashtakvarga has been commented on by many maharishis as you > have > > given > > > > but the system of timing of events using Ashtakavarga is not > > given > > > > which I beleive was a part of Vedic Astrology was saved with > some > > > > families and not known to the world.> > > > > > > > About the part with which the discussion started is what I > agree > > with > > > > you. There is a part of what Noname is also saying that I > agree > > with > > > > however I beleive that Guru spoils the house its placed in due > to > > its > > > > aspect on primary significator houses. By saying Spoilt I > mean > > it > > > > will not give the result in his antra. Also Guru is > generally > > with > > > > more than 5 bindus. Rarely its with < 4 bindus. The more > > powerful > > > > Guru is the more damage it will do by its aspect. For Libra > > lagna and > > > > Cancer lagna Guru is 6th lord and will be very malefic. > > > > > > > > In the chart given by No Names grand father also he commented > > that his > > > > grand father has Guru in lagna who is powerful and he took > > sansaya > > > > after early widohood. Again here a powerful guru is showing > its > > > > malefic aspect on 7th house. Again guru in lagna made no > names > > father > > > > a famous and person as he was known for his knowledge on > > samaveda. > > > > Noname has not commented on the effect it had on 9th and 5th > > house but > > > > if his guru is very powerful. I am also not aware what the > lagna > > is > > > > but this can be the sign of a powerful guru in lagna.> > > > > > > > Thanking you,> > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash> > > >> > > >> > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Ash,> > > > It is good that you at least agree that "GURU ALWAYS > ASPECTS > > 5TH> > > > HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND ITS A PRIMARY > > SIGNIFICATOR> > > > HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT GIVE RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS > PLACED IN> > > > GENERALLY."> > > > This is the point from which the original discussions > started.> > > >> > > > For your information much detailed interpretation of events> > > > (Beyond what is explained in BPHS,a although based on the> > > > principles therein) by Ashtakavarga is available in > > Phaladeepika,> > > > Jataka Parijata, Jatakadesh Marg and umpteen other > > astrological> > > > texts. So your information about only Parashara and Varaha > > Mihira> > > > is not factual.> > > > Regards,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > Ash wrote:> > > >> > > >> Dear Chandrashekhar,> > > >> > > > >> My answers in CAPS.> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Dear Ash,> > > >> Ashtakavarga system is based on Bindus allotted to > > particular> > > >> houses for each of the planet with respect to its > > position> > > >> from the planet whose Ashtakavarga is being drawn.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : YES AGREED. > > > >>> > > >>> > > >> The system you are using is based on considering the> > > >> strengths of planets and the Bhavas too. This is the > > system> > > >> generally referred as Parashari or more precisely > Hora > > system> > > >> which also encompasses the Ashtakavarga system.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : ASHTAKVARGA IS A PART AND PARCLE OF VEDIC > > ASTROLOGY AND> > > >> THAT IS WHAT I HAVE ALSO SAID. I HAVE SAID THAT THE > > SYSTEM> > > >> TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT GIVEN IN TEXTS AVAILABLE > TODAY. > > REST> > > >> CLARIFICAITON BELOW.> > > >>> > > >> Ashtakavarga is primarily used to find out effects > from> > > >> Transit of planets and longevity as made clear in> > > >> conversat/i/on/ /between Maitreya and sage Parashara > in > > BPHS.> > > >> Ashtakavarga system is clearly defined in that text.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : THIS IS WHAT THE MISCONCEPTION IS. BASED ON > THE > > TEXTS> > > >> AVAILABLE TODAY. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT ASHTAKVARG > IS > > USED> > > >> ONLY FOR FINDING OUT TRANSIT. IS THAT WHY PARASARA > HAS > > SAID> > > >> THAT TO USE ASHTAKAVARGA FOR INTELLECUTAL PYGMIES OF > > KALIYUGA> > > >> ? I DO NOT THINK SO SIR. THE SYSTEM OF ASHTAKVARGA > IS > > VERY> > > >> DETAILED AND KAS AND VERSES OF ASHTAKAVARGA HAVE BEEN > > BROUGHT> > > >> FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH ARE NOT FOUND IN ANY BOOK > > TODAY. > > > >> IF YOU CLAIM THAT BHPS IS COMPLETE AND THAT ALL THAT > IS> > > >> AVAILABLE ABOUT ASHTAKVARGA IS FOUND AND CODED AND > THERE > > IS> > > >> NO CORRUPTION THEN I WILL NOT INDULGE YOU ANY > FURTHER. > > > >>> > > >> No doubt the system can be adopted to various other> > > >> predictions, as it indicates influences on various > > bhavas.> > > >> Its various uses have been well documented in > numerous > > texts> > > >> besides BPHS and the very short description of > > Varahamihira.> > > >> The assumption that its use is not mentioned for > > different> > > >> uses in any other text but the two you mentioned is > not> > > >> factually correct.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS USING ASHTAKVARGA IS > NOT> > > >> GIVEN CLEARLY IS IN ANY TEXTS. THAT IS WHAT I AM > > SAYING. > > > >>> > > >> Krushna has developed different parameters and as > long > > as the> > > >> system delivers results there should be no issue with > > that.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : HERE I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT KRUSHNAJI HAS NOT> > > >> DEVELOPED DIFFERENT PARAMETERS AND THIS SYSTEM. HE > HAD> > > >> BROUGHT IT FORWARD. THIS SYSTEM WAS KEPT IN FAMILY > OF > > HIS> > > >> GURU AND THAT WAS TRANSMITTED FROM FATHER TO SON. > > KRUSHNAJI> > > >> WANTED THIS SYSTEM TO REMAIN IN THIS WORLD. THIS > SYSTEM > > MUST> > > >> HAVE BEEN IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE FOR CENTURIES. IF ONE> > > >> UNDERSTANDS THIS SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS MAYBE WHAT AND > > WHY I> > > >> AM INDULDING YOU IN THIS THREAD WILL BECOME CLEAR. > > > >>> > > >> It is easy to say that Parashara and Varahamihira's > > texts> > > >> are corrupted, and they could be. But that does not > prove> > > >> that the bindus used are wrong especially as most of > > other> > > >> parameters that you mention are drawn from these very > > texts.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING > ASHTAKAVARGA > > IS> > > >> NOT DIFFERENT FROM VEDIC ASTROLOGY. INFACT VEDIC > > ASTROLOGY> > > >> IS MADE CLEAR WITH THE PROPER USE OF ASHTAKAVARGA AND > > KAS. I> > > >> DO NOT THINK PARASARA LIGHTLY MENTIONED THE USE OF> > > >> ASHTAKAVARGA FOR US PEOPLE IN KALI YUGA. A LOT OF> > > >> ASHTAKVARGA AND SANSKRIT SHLOKAS HAVE BEEN LOST. > THIS IS> > > >> WHAT I AM SAYING OR KEPT WITH FAMILES TILL SOMEONE > LIKE> > > >> KRUSHNAJI COMES ALONG AND BRINGS SUCH TECHNIQUES > > FORWARD. > > > >> ITS A BIG CREDIT TO KRUSHNAJI FOR BRINGING FORWARD > THIS> > > >> SYSTEM WITH HAS MADE TIMING OF EVENTS SO EASY.> > > >>> > > >> It is well known that Varaha Mihira was influenced by > > Greek> > > >> astrologers and has adopted some of their methods, so > the> > > >> bindus that he attributes could also have come from > them.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : ONE THING. BAV IS BAV AND BASIC SCHEME SHOUL.D > BE> > > >> SAME. ONLY IN BAV OF MOON AND VENUS THERE IS A > > DIFFERENCE. > > > >> PARASARA AND VARHARMIRA CANNOT HAVE DIFFERENT > OPINIONS. > > > >> EITHER PARASARA'S SCHEME IS CORRUPT OR > VARHARMIRAS'S. > > AT THE> > > >> END OF THE DAY BOTH MUST MATCH. SO ITS INFACT QUITE > > EASY TO> > > >> SAY THAT EITHER PARSARAS OR VARHARMIRAS BAV IS > CORRPUT. > > I AM> > > >> CONFIDENT THAT VARHRMAIRAS HAS REMAINED IN TACT OVER > THE> > > >> CENTURIES AND PARASARAS BAV SCHME IS CORRPUT. IN ANY > > CASE I> > > >> WILL GO BY WHAT KRUSHNAJI HAS TAUGHT ME AS THIS > SYSTEM > > WAS> > > >> KEPT IN HIS GURUS FAMILY AND HE HAS USED THAT FOR > DECADES> > > >> WITH CORRECT PREDICTIONS. SO ITS TIME TESTED BY HIS > > GURUS> > > >> LINEAGE. I AM IN NO POSITION TO MAKE ANY JUDGEMENT > BUT > > CAN> > > >> SAY THAT I AM USNIG VARHARMIRAS SCHEME.> > > >>> > > >> Since you give equal importance to Navamsha and Rasi > > whereas> > > >> I go by the old time system of planetary strength > being> > > >> derived from Navamsha, it might not be possible for > you > > to> > > >> follow my meaning and reasons behind attributing more> > > >> strength to Saturn over Jupiter.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : I AM FINDING STRENGTH USING ASHTAKVARGA BUT FOR > > EACH> > > >> PLANET AND FOR EACH HOUSE. YOU ARE ALSO TRYING TO > FIND > > THE> > > >> STRENGH BUT I AM NOT CLEAR WHEN YOU SAY SHANI IS > STRONGER> > > >> THAN GURU BUT FOR WHAT ? IS IT FOR EVENT OR ALL 12 > > HOUSES ? > > > >> JUST SAYING STRONGER IS VERY GENERAL. IF I WERE TO > ASK > > YOU> > > >> IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH HOUSE OR 10TH > HOUSE. > > > >> THIS IS HOW I AM SEETNG THINGS. AS PER THE WORKSHEET> > > >> STRENGTH GURU IS FAR BETTER FOR 10TH HOUSE AS > COMPARED TO> > > >> SHANI HOWEVER SHANI IS FAR STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH > > HOUSE> > > >> MATTERS. > > > >>> > > >> The question of strength of the two planets was > raised by> > > >> Lakshmi and I was responding to that. I so far as > > influence> > > >> over all 12 Rasis comment is concerned, Vedic > astrology > > does> > > >> think that planets have influence over all Bhavas and > > other> > > >> planets and the way the results would manifest depend > on> > > >> their mutual relation.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : EXACTLY. HERE IN LIES THE ESSENCE OF WHAT I > WAS > > SAYING> > > >> OR TRYING TO SAY FOR SO LONG. THE BEAUTY OF IS THAT > SAV> > > >> ALREADY TAKES CARE OF MUTUAL RELATIONS SO IT BECOMES> > > >> IMPERATIVE THAT BAV IS ACCURATE AS SAV AS U KNOW IS > > DERIVED> > > >> FROM BAV. THAT WAS MY COMMENT ON COMPOUNDING OF > ERRORS. > > > >> THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU SAY THAT SHANI IS STRONGER THAN > GURU> > > >> CONFUSES ME BECAUSE YES FOR 4TH HOUSE SHANI IS > STRONGER > > THAN> > > >> GURU BUT NOT FOR 10TH HOUSE. HERE I AM BEING VERY > > SPECIFIC. > > > >> SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOUR COMMENT ON SHANI BEING > > STRONGER> > > >> THAN GURU WAS CONSIDERING ALL 12 HOUSES AND THE MUTUAL> > > >> PLACMENT FOR ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT TO EACH > OTHER ? > > IF SO> > > >> THEN I AM VERY SURE THAT YOU WILL COME TO THE SAME > > CONCLUSION> > > >> USING WHATEVER WAY YOU USE TO FIND THE STRENGH OF > SHANI > > AND> > > >> GURU I.E NAVAMSA, D CHARTS OR YOGAS ETC WITH WHAT I > HAVE> > > >> SHOWN IN THE WORKSHEET. THEN IF YOU COMPARE SHANI > AND > > GURU> > > >> FOR EACH HOUSE WE WILL HAVE A MORE STRONGER BASIS FOR> > > >> COMPARISION. BUT STILL JUST USING THE WORD STRONGER > I > > AM NOT> > > >> CLEAR OR AM NOT FOLLOWING. THE QUETSIONS THAT COMES > TO > > MY> > > >> MIND .. STRONGER FOR WHAT OR WHICH HOUSE OR WHICH > > EVENT ?> > > >>> > > >> About not considering Navamsha strength, I am not > able to> > > >> follow what you are saying. On the one hand you say > that> > > >> these being equal you do not consider Navamsha in > > worksheet> > > >> and that you only use Navamsha to find samdharmi and > on > > the> > > >> other hand you say that my contention is not correct/.> > > >> /> > > >>> > > >> ASH : RASI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL STATUS AS PER THE > > TEACHINGS> > > >> OF KAS. NAVAMSA IS DERIVED FROM RASI. FOR THE > STRENGH > > AND> > > >> WORKSHEET ONLY RASI IS NEEDED. IF IN CASE OF DOUBT > YOU > > CAN> > > >> GO INTO D-CHARTS AND FIND OUT FROM THAT. I HAVE > > DEMONTRATED> > > >> WITH AN EXAMPLE OF RAMESH'S MARRIAGE. I WOULD HOPE > THAT> > > >> LAKSHMI WOULD COMMENT ON THIS PART. I HAVE NOT SAID > > THAT YOU> > > >> ARE NOT CORRECT. YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND THE STRENGTH > > ALSO> > > >> FROM NAVAMSA. AS PER KAS I FIND THE STRENGTH FROM > > WORKSHEET> > > >> WHICH IS FROM RASHI. FOR D-CHARTS I CAST WORKSHEET > BUT > > ONLY> > > >> PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE. WE DO NOT CONSIDER > ASPECTS> > > >> PART. SO ONLY TOP PORTION OF WORKSHEET IS USED. WE > > BOTH> > > >> ARE FINDING STRENGTH AND I AM USING AV FROM RASI AND > YOU > > ARE> > > >> PROBABLY USING RASI/NAVAMSA/D CHARTS ETC AND SIGN > > PLACEMENT> > > >> TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH. > > > >>> > > >> Again you are talking about timing of events and the > > original> > > >> thread is about Guru's capacity to harm the house > > occupied> > > >> by it/./> > > >>> > > >> ASH : FOR ME THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF QUESTION. AS PER> > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM PLANETS THAT ASPECT > PRIMARY> > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES I.E. 8TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS, > 5TH > > FROM> > > >> HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND HOUSE UNDER FOCUS FOR EXAMPLE > FOR> > > >> READERS IF YOU ARE TIMING MARRIAGE THEN 2ND, 7TH AND > > 11TH AND> > > >> IF ANY PLANET HAS ASPECT ON THESE HOUSES THEN THEY > WILL > > NOT> > > >> GIVE RESULT IN THEIR ANTRA BUT THEIR SAMDHARMI WILL > GIVE> > > >> RESULT AND THE EXCEPTION IS THAT IF THE PLANET IS > LORD OF> > > >> 10TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS OR 6TH THEN IT WILL GIVE.> > > >>> > > >> GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS > PLACED > > IN> > > >> AND ITS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT > > GIVE> > > >> RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN GENERALLY. ONLY > > EXCEPTION> > > >> IS THAT IF GURU IS IN PISCES SO SUCH A GURU WILL GIVE > THE> > > >> RESULT OF TIMING OF EVENT. SIMILARLY FOR MARS. I > THINK > > ALSO> > > >> SOMETHING SIMILAR IS SAID FOR MARS AS PER VEDIC > TEXTS. > > MARS> > > >> ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND > 8TH > > HOUSE> > > >> SO AS PER VEDIC TEXTS ITS ALSO SAID THAT MARS SPOILS > THE> > > >> HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. FOR SHANI IT DOES NOT ASPECT > ANY > > OF THE> > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES WHEREEVER ITS PLACED SO ITS NOT > SAID > > TO> > > >> SPOIL THE HOUSE AND WILL DELIVER THE RESULT IF IT HAS > > POWER> > > >> AS PER WORKSHEET. SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN NOTED IN TEXTS > AS > > JU> > > >> SPOILS THE HOUSE IT IS PLACED IN AND SHANI DOES NOT. > > MARS> > > >> ALSO CAN BE SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE IT IS IN HOWEVER > THE> > > >> EXCEPTIONS FOR ALL IS IF THE SAME PLANET ALSO RULES > 10TH > > AND> > > >> 6TH FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN IT WILL GIVE THE > > RESULT. > > > >> THIS CAN BE CHECKED AND I AM SURE IT WILL VALIDATE > WITH > > YOUR> > > >> EXCEPTIONS. > > > >>> > > >> SO I AM NOT TAKING PART IN THE DISCUSSION AS FOR ME> > > >> PERSONALLY THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCUSS. THE BASICS > OF > > SUCH> > > >> THINGS ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR AND CONSIDERED BY THE RULES > OF> > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAVARGA SYSTEM. I AM VERY GLAD HOWEVER > TO > > SEE> > > >> THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THIS TOPIC. > > > >>> > > >> ANOTHER THING, GURU IS A HYOCRATIC PLANET. WHENEVER > ONE> > > >> TRIES TO POTRAY GURU AS BAD THERE WILL BE > RESISTANCE. > > THIS> > > >> IS THE POWER OF GURU. I AM SITTING BACK AND READING > WITH> > > >> INTEREST AND SEEING THE MAYA GURU CREATES. FUNNY ITS > > EASIER> > > >> TO BLAME SHANI FOR THINGS AND POTRAY IT AS BAD BUT > > INFACT ITS> > > >> SHANI WHO IS THE PLANET OF TRUTH. > > > >>> > > >> SUCH THIGNS ARE HARD FOR PEOPLE TO DIGEST AND YOU ARE > > GETTING> > > >> SO MUCH OF EXPLAINING TO DO. THIS ITSELF PROVES MY > > POINT AND> > > >> YOUR POINT ALSO.> > > >>> > > >> Anyway let us await Lakshmi's comment about your> > > >> observation on Mercury Antar, though this is not part > of > > the> > > >> original discussions.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : YES, IT WILL BE NICE IF LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON > THE> > > >> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH IF IT HAPPENED IN MERCURY ANTRA AS > PER> > > >> KAY. IF THE DATE IS GIVEN IT WILL BE BETTER. THIS > WILL> > > >> PROVE THE POWER OF THE PLANET AS PER WORKSHEET TO > > DELIVER THE> > > >> RESULTS AFTER FINDING OUT THE DELAY FROM RASHI AND > > NAVAMSA AS> > > >> BOTH HAVE SIMILAR STATUS AS PER KAS.> > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> THANK YOU FOR THIS DICUSSION,> > > >>> > > >> CHEERS !!!> > > >>> > > >> ASH> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Regards,> > > >> Chandrashekhar.> > > >>> > > >> Ash wrote:> > > >>> > > >>> Dear Chandrashekhar,> > > >>> My answers in CAPS below.> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>> Dear Ash,> > > >>> I forgot that you are using Krushna's > Ashtakavarga> > > >>> system. In that case you must be using Krushna's> > > >>> Ayanamsha. The system you are using is a > > combination of> > > >>> Ashtakavarga and traditional Graha Bhava Bala > > system.> > > >>>> > > >>> ASH : THE SYSTEM I USE IS KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARG > AND > > ITS> > > >>> PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY. I DONT KNOW WHAT U > MEAN BY> > > >>> GRAHA BHAVA BALA SYSTEM. IN SHORT WE CAN > COMPUTE > > THE> > > >>> STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE > AND> > > >>> ALSO FOR ALL 16 D CHARTS. SO ITS VEDIC > ASTROLOGY > > ONLY> > > >>> AND NOT DIFFERENT. AS PER KAS WE DO NOT TALK IN > > GENERAL> > > >>> TERMS AS SHANI IS STRONG OR WEAK BUT WE CAN GO > INTO> > > >>> DETAILS AS PER POINTS AND FIND OUT HOW A PLANET > > WILL ACT> > > >>> FOR EACH HOUSE. IN MOST CASES PLANETS DO NOT > ACT > > BAD> > > >>> FOR ALL HOUSES. IN SHANI ANTRA AS PER RAMESH'S > > CHART IT> > > >>> WILL BE GOOD FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AS COMPARED > TO > > GURU'S> > > >>> ANTRA FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AT THE SAME TIME FOR > > 10TH> > > >>> HOUSE MATTESR GURU WILL BE MUCH STRONGER THAN > SHANI > > AS> > > >>> YOU CAN SEE AS PER POINTS. ABOUT NAVAMSA I SHALL> > > >>> COMMENT BELOW.> > > >>>> > > >>> > > > >>>> > > >>> There is no harm in using it as long as results > come> > > >>> true. However it is not a different Ashtakavarga > > system> > > >>> per se.> > > >>>> > > >>> ASH : ASHTAKVARG IS ASHTAKVARG AND HOW TO USE IT > IS > > NOT> > > >>> GIVEN CLEARLY IN ANY TEXTS. PEOPLE ARE UNDER THE> > > >>> IMPRESSION BASED ON CURRENT TEXTS THAT ITS USED > TO > > TIME> > > >>> DEATH OR ITS USE IS LIMITED TO TRANSITS WHICH IS > NOT> > > >>> CORRECT. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT I TRY TO SAY > AND> > > >>> EXPLAIN WHEN PEOPLE COMMENT ON ASHTAKVARGA AND > ITS > > USED> > > >>> ONLY IN TRANSITS. THE WHOLE SYSTEM IN WHICH ITS > > USED TO> > > >>> TIME EVENTS IS NOT WRITTEN IN ANY BOOK OR > CLASSICS> > > >>> DESPITE MANY MAHARISHIS LIKE PARASARA, > VARHARAMIRA > > ETC> > > >>> HAVE ALL MENTIONED ASHTAKVARGA IN THEIR TEXTS.> > > >>>> > > >>> I was talking about a different Ashtakavarga > system > > that> > > >>> you had suggested exists.> > > >>>> > > >>> ASH : I HAVE NOT SUGGESTED ANYTHING OF THAT > KIND. > > > >>> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM IS A SYSTEM IN WHICH > WE > > USE> > > >>> ASHTAKVARGA TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET > FOR > > EACH> > > >>> HOUSE. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY SYSTEM OUT > THERE> > > >>> THAT DOES THAT. RESULTS CAN BE SEEN AT A > GLANCE. > > FOR> > > >>> EXAMPLE RAMESHS MARRIAGE MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED > DURING> > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA. MERCURY HAS THE HIGHEST STRENGTH > IN > > THE> > > >>> CHART FOR 7TH HOUSE. AND IS LOD OR 10TH LORD > FROM > > 7TH> > > >>> HOUSE. MAHADAHSA CAN BE THAT OF SHANI. SHANI IS> > > >>> SAMDHARMI TO NAKTURAL KARAK VENUS OF MARRIAGE. > SO > > SHANI> > > >>> MD/ MERCURY AD CAN GIVE MARRIAGE. THERE ARE 2 > > ZEROES IN> > > >>> BAV ONE DUE TO VENUS AND OTHER DUE TO MARS AND > > MERCURY> > > >>> SO RESULT WILL BE IN LAST SECTOR OF MERCURY > ANTRA. > > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA RUNS IN SHANI MD RUNS FROM 1983/11 > > THRU> > > >>> 1986/JULY. 3RD SECTOR STARTS 1985/07 THRU > > 1986/07. I> > > >>> AM NOT GOING FURTHER. IF THIS IS IN THE BALL > PARK > > ITS> > > >>> GOOD AND ONE CAN NARROW IT DOWN FURTHER WITH SUNS> > > >>> TRANSIT OVER STRONG SIGNIFICATORS FOR 7TH HOUSE > AS > > PER> > > >>> THE WORKSHEET POINTS. MAYBE LAKSHMI CAN VERIFY > > WHEN HER> > > >>> MARRIAGE TOOK PLACE WITH RAMESH.> > > >>>> > > >>> Varahamihira does have a slightly different bindu> > > >>> placement no doubt yet it is only different by > way > > of> > > >>> allowing Lagna to have one more bindu of > influence > > for> > > >>> some planet's Ashtakavarga. So it might not mean > > that> > > >>> other planet is getting a bindu less.> > > >>>> > > >>> ASH : THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT > SCHEME > > THAT> > > >>> IS IN TEXTS TODAY AVAILABLE GIVEN AS PER > PARASARA > > AND> > > >>> WHATS GIVEN OR PRESERVED FROM VARHARAMIRA. BOTH > ARE> > > >>> GREAT SAGES AND THEIR BAV SCHEMES MUST BE SAME. > > > >>> PARASARAS HAS BEEN CORRPUT OVER TIME. THE > > DIFFERENCES> > > >>> IN IN BAV FOR MOONS PLACMENT FROM MOON AND GURU > AND> > > >>> VENUS FROM MARS. THIS HAS VERY DEEP MEANING AND > > SAYING> > > >>> FOR EXAMPLE IF VENUS GETS POWER IF IN 4TH FROM > MARS > > AND> > > >>> IF VENUS IS NOT GETTING POWER OR A BINDU IF IN > 4TH > > FROM> > > >>> MARS HAS A BIG DIFFERENCE. THERE ARE ONLY 337 > > POINTS> > > >>> AND IT WOULD MEAN THAT IF AS IN THE CASE OF > RAMESHES> > > >>> CHART IF HIS 7TH BHAVA GETS 19TH IT MEANS THAT > THAT > > 1> > > >>> BINDU OF FROM THE POOL OF 337 HAS GONE TO SOME > OTHER> > > >>> HOUSE. IF A PLANET IS IN THAT HOUSE IT MAY GET > 1 > > BINDU> > > >>> MORE STRENGTH AND IT MAY CHANGE THE ENTIRE > CHART. > > IF> > > >>> THAT PLANET IS IN 4TH FROM A MALEFIC PLANET (BY > > MALEFIC> > > >>> I MEAN A PLANET WITH < 4 BINDUS EXCEPT MOON) AND > IF > > THAT> > > >>> PLANET WERE TO GET STRNGTH THEN THAT PLANET > WOULD > > BECOME> > > >>> VERY STRONG FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT WOULD > CHANGE > > THE> > > >>> ENTIRE COMPLEXION OF THE CHART. WITH ASKTAVARG > WE > > ARE> > > >>> VERY PARTICULAR AND THIS IS NOT A TRIVIAL > MATTER. 1> > > >>> BINDUS CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.> > > >>>> > > >>> I said 19 Bindus as the chart sent by Dear > Lakshmi > > was> > > >>> in that format. Varahamihira has exactly 8 > shlokas > > on> > > >>> Ashtakavarga and his is not a different system. > He > > only> > > >>> has a different opinion about which places are> > > >>> influenced by Lagna in case of some of the > planets.> > > >>> Parashara has, on the other hand, exhaustively > dealt> > > >>> with Ashtakavarga.> > > >>>> > > >>> ASH : THIS IS NOT TRUE. BAV SCHEMES HAVE TO > > MATCH. I> > > >>> DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BY SYSTEMS. > THE> > > >>> CORE AND BASIC OF ASHTAKVARG SYSTEM IS THE BAV > > POINTS. > > > >>> IF PARASARA IS SAYING THAT MOON IS NOT GIVING > > STRENGTH> > > >>> TO 9TH BHAVA WHEAREAS VARHARAMIRA IS SAYING IT > > DOES. > > > >>> THIS IS HUGE DIFFERECE OUT HERE. SIMILARLY MOON > IS> > > >>> BENEFIC IN 2ND FROM GURU AND VARHARAMIRA IS > SAYING > > THAT> > > >>> 1 BINDUS STRENGTH IS NOT GIVEN. THIS IS THE > > BASIC. YOU> > > >>> JUST CANNOT SAY THAT THE DIFFERENCE OF OPINION IS> > > >>> "ONLY". THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. IMAGINE A > SYSTEM > > THAT> > > >>> IS USED ACCURATELY FOR TIMING OF EVENTS THE SAV > > VALUES> > > >>> FROM WHICH THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANEST AND FOR > EACH > > AND> > > >>> EVERY HOUSE IS COMPUTED AND ITS BASED ON SAV AND > > SAV IS> > > >>> BASED ON BAV. IN THE LEAST WHAT YOU ARE SAYING > > MIGHT> > > >>> SURMOUNT TO COMPOUNDING OF ERROR. ACTUALLY IF > YOU > > STUDY> > > >>> HOW ONE COMES TO THE POINTS THAT I HAVE > DISPLAYED > > IN MY> > > >>> PREVIOUS MAILS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHY > I > > AM SO> > > >>> PICKY WITH THIS DISTRIBUTION OF BAV AND STICKING > TO> > > >>> VARHARAMIRA. IF WE DIFFER ON THIS VIEW WE CAN > > AGREE TO> > > >>> DISAGREE.> > > >>>> > > >>> I have already given the reason I think Saturn is> > > >>> stronger than Guru in reply to Lakshmi.> > > >>>> > > >>> ASH : YES, I DID READ YOUR INTERSTING COMMENT > BUT I > > WAS> > > >>> NOT CLEAR ON WHAT YOU MEANT BY STRONGER. > STRONGER > > FOR> > > >>> WHAT EVENTS ? DID U MEAN STRONGER FOR DELIVERING> > > >>> RESULTS OR ALL 12 HOUSES. CAN YOU BE MORE > > SPECIFIC. > > > >>> WHEN I GAVE THE POINTS I AM BEING VERY SPECIFIC > AND> > > >>> COMPARING GURU WITH SHANI FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. I > AM > > BEING> > > >>> SPECIFIC IN SAYING THAT IN GURU ANTRA RAMESH > WILL > > HAVE> > > >>> MORE AUTHORITY AS COMPARED TO SHANI. GURU IS IN > > UPCAHYA> > > >>> FROM 10TH HOUSE AND WITH 5 BINDUS. SO ITS VERY > > EAGER TO> > > >>> GIVE 2ND AND 10TH HOUSE MATTERS. SHANI IS EAGER > TO > > GIVE> > > >>> RESULTS FOR 12TH, 4TH, 11TH, AND 3RD HOUSE IN ITS> > > >>> ANTRA. CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC. I DO NOT > THINK > > SHANI> > > >>> IS BAD FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE AND NEITHER IS > GURU > > IN> > > >>> HIS ANTRA. AGAIN I AM RESTRICTING THE RESULTS > TO > > THE> > > >>> ANTRA. I THINK IF U ARE MORE SPECIFIC THEN WE > > MIGHT BE> > > >>> SAYING THE SAME THING BUT FROM A DIFFERENT VIEW > > POINT.> > > >>>> > > >>> The reason it is not reflected in the table > given > > by you> > > >>> is,as you have indicated Navamsha strength of > > planets is> > > >>> not considered in the system you are using.> > > >>>> > > >>> ASH : THIS IS INCORRECT. THE STRENGTH IS > DERIVED > > FROM> > > >>> RASHI AND THE WORKSHEET POINTS ARE FROM RASHI > ONLY. > > > >>> NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS AS COMPARED TO RASHI. > WE > > USE> > > >>> NAVAMSA FOR FINDING OUT THE SAMDHARMIS AND ALSO > > DELAY. > > > >>> ALL COMBINATIONS HAVE TO BE CHECKED FROM BOTH > RASI > > AND> > > >>> NAVAMSA. BUT FOR FINDING OUT THE STRENGH OF > PLANET > > ITS> > > >>> DONE FROM RASI. A WORKSHEET FOR EACH DIVISIONAL > > CHART> > > >>> IS ALSO CASTED.> > > >>>> > > >>> Using Krushna's Ayanamsha the Navamsha placement > of> > > >>> planets could also change. If you apply the > strength> > > >>> from Navamsha as given in the chart provided by > > Lakshmi,> > > >>> you will see my view point.> > > >>>> > > >>> ASH : IT WILL NOT CHANGE THINGS. I CHECKED AFTER> > > >>> READING THIS COMMENT. IN BOTH CASES USING > KRUSHNAS> > > >>> AYANAMSA AND LAHIRI SHANI REMAINS IN LIBRA IN > > NAVAMSA SO> > > >>> ITS SAMDHARMI TO VENUS. IT WILL REPLACE VENUS > FOR > > THE> > > >>> HOUSE THAT VENUS IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS. > THE> > > >>> POSITION OF MARS CHANGES IN LAGNA THOUGH. MAYBE > IF > > U> > > >>> SEE THINGS WITH MARS BEING IN 12TH INSTEAD OF > 11TH > > YOU> > > >>> MAY SEE MY VIEW POINT. AGAIN I AM EMPHASISING > ON > > THE> > > >>> FACT THAT STRENGTH OR THE WORKSHEET THAT I GAVE > IS> > > >>> COMPUTED FROM RASHI ONLY AND SAMDHARMIS IS > COMPUTED > > FROM> > > >>> RASHI AND NAVAMSA. RASHI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL > > STATUS> > > >>> AS PER KAS AND WE FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES FOR > FINDING> > > >>> DELAY. I HAVE DEMONSTRATED IN THIS MAIL > REGARDING> > > >>> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH WITH LAKSHMI. FOR THAT I HAVE> > > >>> COMPUTED DELAY FOR MARRIAGE USING 2 ZEROES, AND > > SHANI> > > >>> ASPECTING PRIMIARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES FROM > RASHI > > AND> > > >>> THEIR LORDS IN NAVAMSA AND USING WORKSHEET > STRENGTH > > I> > > >>> HAVE COMPUTED THE TIME FRAME. IT WILL BE > > INTERSTING IF> > > >>> LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON THE SAME. THERE IS A > SLIGHT> > > >>> DIFFERENCE IN THE WORKSHEET. SOME HOW IN HASTE > MY> > > >>> AYANAMSA CHANGE BUT IT WILL NOT MAKE A > DIFFERENCE > > FOR> > > >>> MARRAIGE. HERE IS THE CORRECTED VERSION OF THE> > > >>> WORKSHEET. MERCURY STILL HAS 18 POINTS FOR 7TH > > HOUSE> > > >>> AND MOSTLY ALL HOUSES. > > > >>>> > > >>> *Hse* *SAV Pt* *Su* *Mo* > *Ma* > > *Me* *Ju* *Ve* *Sa*> > > >>> *1* 25 17 20 12 > 20 11 > > 7 10> > > >>> *2* 23 9 16 14 > 22 22 > > 14 12> > > >>> *3* 31 16 15 12 > 11 4 > > 14 7> > > >>> *4* 26 11 17 7 > 23 7 > > 10 23> > > >>> *5* 32 12 23 9 > 19 16 > > 22 15> > > >>> *6* 32 18 16 18 > 21 5 > > 8 11> > > >>> *7* 20 10 14 9 > 18 11 > > 18 10> > > >>> *8* 19 22 12 9 > 25 4 > > 17 10> > > >>> *9* 28 8 12 14 > 7 5 > > 21 3> > > >>> *10* 34 17 13 7 > 16 21 > > 16 4> > > >>> *11* 38 16 15 15 > 21 4 > > 15 19> > > >>> *12* 29 10 14 11 > 9 8 > > 14 15> > > >>>> > > >>> > > > >>>> > > >>> THANKING YOU,> > > >>>> > > >>> CHEERS !!!> > > >>>> > > >>> ASH> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> Regards,> > > >>> Chandrashekhar.> > > >>>> > > >>> Ash wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi,> > > >>>> There is a difference between a house getting > 20 > > bindus> > > >>>> and a house getting 19 bindus as you are > aware. I> > > >>>> agree both are weak with 20 bindus being a > stronger> > > >>>> than 19 bindus. At the same token if a bhave > gets > > 1> > > >>>> bindu more it means one other house is getting > 1 > > bindu> > > >>>> less. > > > >>>> It also means that some planet has made a > > favourable> > > >>>> yog w.r.t one house and not with another. Is > it > > not ?> > > >>>> I use Krushnas Ashtakvarga system as you are > also > > aware.> > > >>>> In that SAV is the base from that we derive the> > > >>>> strength of each planet for each and every > house > > and> > > >>>> also for each and every 16 divisional chart. > When> > > >>>> casting the worksheet the aspects are not > > considered in> > > >>>> the D charts only the basis strength.> > > >>>> The BAV values given by Parasara in my opinion > have> > > >>>> become corrupt. The BAV distribution scheme by> > > >>>> Varharamira is correct. The settings are also > > given in> > > >>>> JHL software where you tick off the check boxes > in > > the> > > >>>> lite version. If you use the option of > > Varharamira you> > > >>>> will get 20 bindus for 7th house. It would be > > good to> > > >>>> understand if you have intentionally used > > Parasara's> > > >>>> scheme of BAV or generally use Varharmiras > > scheme ? > > > >>>> To come to the final stength of each and every > > planet> > > >>>> for each house .> > > >>>> > > > >>>> Here is the final strength of planet for > Ramesh's > > chart.> > > >>>> > > > >>>> These are total strength of the planets and > > derived by> > > >>>> considering the following.> > > >>>> > > > >>>> 1) 4:10> > > >>>> 2) Addition of 5 points for LoD and LoE or 10th > > lord> > > >>>> and 6th lord from house under consideration> > > >>>> 3) Planets in 10th and 6th hosue from house > under> > > >>>> consideration with > 4 bindus.> > > >>>> 4) Planets aspecting primary significator house > i.e> > > >>>> Karak, phal and phalit sthans.> > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspects on karak, phal and > > phalit sthan> > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspect on planets> > > >>>> 6) Adjustment of 12th from house under focus> > > >>>> 7) Adjustment of 6th lord.> > > >>>> > > > >>>> After meticulously considering all these > factors we> > > >>>> come to strength of each planet for each and > every> > > >>>> house. Like that we also compute strength for > all > > d> > > >>>> charts but in that we only conider the strength > for> > > >>>> karak, phal and phalit sthan for each and every > > house.> > > >>>> > > > >>>> You have said that Shani is stronger than > Guru. > > Here> > > >>>> you can see both Shani and Guru at a glace on > how > > they> > > >>>> will deliver their results in their respective > > antar> > > >>>> dasha. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I do hear ya regarding the system not being > > different> > > >>>> from parasara. Actually parasara did give the > BAV> > > >>>> scheme but it has become corrupt over time.> > > >>>> > > > >>>> Here Jupiter is in 10th from 10th house so its> > > >>>> foritifying 10th house and also Guru is with 5 > > bindus> > > >>>> in 7th house and in multrikon so its very eager > to > > give> > > >>>> results for 10th house.> > > >>>> > > > >>>> If you see the worksheet you can see Ju is > having > > 22> > > >>>> points for 10th house and Shani has 7 points > for > > 10th> > > >>>> house. There is a big difference in authority > that> > > >>>> Ramesh would have been bestowed in the antras > of > > Guru> > > >>>> and Shani. > > > >>>> At the same time if you see expenses v/s income > in > > Guru> > > >>>> and shani and compare the 11th v/s 12th points > you > > can> > > >>>> see more expenses in shani compared to Guru > antra.> > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> *House* *Signs* *SAV* > *Su* *Mo* > > *Ma* *Me* *Ju*> > > >>>> *Ve* *Sa*> > > >>>> 1 Gemini 23 16 19 > 13 20 > > 17 7 16> > > >>>> 2 Cancer 24 10 15 > 20 23 > > 23 14 16> > > >>>> 3 Leo 30 9 21 > 9 19 > > 11 11 13> > > >>>> 4 Virgo 26 7 22 > 9 24 > > 14 4 23> > > >>>> 5 Libra 33 8 23 > 5 20 > > 22 16 19> > > >>>> 6 Scorpio 32 16 > 20 21 > > 24 13 9 17> > > >>>> 7 Sagittarius 20 7 > 19 5 > > 25 17 12 8> > > >>>> 8 Capricorn 21 15 > 19 9 > > 24 9 12 12> > > >>>> 9 Aquarius 29 7 > 17 13 > > 11 14 22 9> > > >>>> 10 Pisces 29 13 > 10 -2 17 > > 22 9 7> > > >>>> 11 Aries 40 11 21 > 10 26 > > 14 10 19> > > >>>> 12 Taurus 30 5 21 > 10 19 > > 12 10 20> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> Thanks,> > > >>>> Cheers !!!> > > >>>> Ash> > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > >>>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:> > > >>>>> > > >>>> Dear Ash,> > > >>>> Even with 20 points the Bhava lacks > strength, > > is it> > > >>>> not? Saturn there however extends > protection. > > By> > > >>>> the way I am not aware of any Ashtakavarga > > system> > > >>>> which gives differential value of > Bindus/Rekhas> > > >>>> based on Lagna of a native or placement of > a > > planet> > > >>>> in a Rasi, aspects received by it and > > association> > > >>>> with other planets. May I know to which > system > > you> > > >>>> are referring to and the weightage for these> > > >>>> factors given in that system by increasing > or> > > >>>> reducing the Bindus/Rekhas.> > > >>>> If you are talking about using other > > parameters in> > > >>>> association with Ashtakavarga then of > course > > that> > > >>>> is a different matter and would not > constitute> > > >>>> different system than Parashara.> > > >>>> Regards,> > > >>>> Chandrashekhar.> > > >>>>> > > >>>> ashsam73 wrote:> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Pardon me for my intervention.> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> I would like to comment on Ashtakavarga.> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> 1) It seems that you have used Parasaras > > scheme of> > > >>>>> BAV. With> > > >>>>> Varharamiras scheme you get 20 points in > > Ramesh's> > > >>>>> 7th house.> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> 2) For nodes are we know are not planets. > > They> > > >>>>> are used indirectly. > > > >>>>> They are samdharmi to sign lord and > nakshatra> > > >>>>> lord. For natural> > > >>>>> nature as you have said or quoted in > numerious> > > >>>>> posts Rahu is like> > > >>>>> Shani and Ketu like Mars. Functionally > they > > will> > > >>>>> be more like the> > > >>>>> planet i.e. either sign lord or nak lord > as > > per> > > >>>>> the points they> > > >>>>> receive in their BAV. For example, if > Rahu > > is in> > > >>>>> Gemini and nak of> > > >>>>> punarvasu then it will represent Me and > Ju. > > If> > > >>>>> say Ge is 3rd house> > > >>>>> and in 3rd house Ju gets 5 bindus and Me > gets > > say> > > >>>>> 6 bindus then Rahu> > > >>>>> will act more like Mercury. > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> 3) With regards to your comment on > > Ashtakavarg not> > > >>>>> using sign> > > >>>>> placement is not entirely correct. If > used > > with a> > > >>>>> proper system the> > > >>>>> sign placement can give idea on quantum of > > result> > > >>>>> and its not used to> > > >>>>> find timing of result. For timing of > result> > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg, SAV and> > > >>>>> total strength of planets derived from SAV > is > > good> > > >>>>> enough to time> > > >>>>> results effectively.> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Maybe knowledge of Ashtakvarg that is > > available in> > > >>>>> texts today is not> > > >>>>> complete and may lead to confusion. > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg system used is an effective > tool in> > > >>>>> timing of events.> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> A couple of points on Ramesh's chart.> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> 1) In Ramesh's chart there are 2 > consecutive> > > >>>>> zeroes one given by> > > >>>>> Venus to 7th and one by Mars to 8th. > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> 2) Jupiter antra will be very eager to > bestow> > > >>>>> authority to Ramesh and> > > >>>>> also for acquisition of wealth. Between > > 1997/04> > > >>>>> thru 1999/10 Ramesh> > > >>>>> might have been given a role of > > responsibility. > > > >>>>> Also a good time to> > > >>>>> make investments and accumulation of > wealth. > > > >>>>> Lakshami can verify> > > >>>>> this antra.> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Thanking you,> > > >>>>> Cheers !!!> > > >>>>> Ash> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> --- In vedic astrology,> > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar <boxdel>> > > >>>>> wrote:> > > >>>>> > Dear Lakshmi,> > > >>>>> > I think in Ramesh's case Saturn is Lord > of > > the> > > >>>>> 9th is it not? He> > > >>>>> not> > > >>>>> > only associates a Kendra Lord but is > also > > is in> > > >>>>> kendra being a> > > >>>>> trine> > > >>>>> > lord. He is also Lord of Navamsha Lagna> > > >>>>> aspecting Lagna, besides> > > >>>>> being> > > >>>>> > placed in a trikona. Jupiter on the > other > > hand> > > >>>>> is Lord of 2nd and> > > >>>>> 11th> > > >>>>> > in Navamsha and in 3rd house. I would > > certainly> > > >>>>> treat Saturn as> > > >>>>> more> > > >>>>> > powerful than Jupiter, even if in Lagna > > Jupiter> > > >>>>> appears to be with> > > >>>>> > greater strength. But there too he is > only a> > > >>>>> Kendra Lord in Kendra> > > >>>>> > associating a trine lord. Since we are > > talking> > > >>>>> about 7th house> > > >>>>> would it> > > >>>>> > not be right to look at the Navamsha > > strengths> > > >>>>> of the planets,> > > >>>>> before> > > >>>>> > coming to conclusion about 7th house? If > we > > look> > > >>>>> at Ashtaka Varga> > > >>>>> then> > > >>>>> > SAV would rather prove my view point as > it > > shows> > > >>>>> 7th house with 19> > > >>>>> > points. Personally I give more weightage > to> > > >>>>> Natal chart read with> > > >>>>> > Navamsha. the reason is Ashtakavarga do > not> > > >>>>> consider effects of> > > >>>>> nodes ,> > > >>>>> > neither do they consider house ownership > or > > Rasi> > > >>>>> occupation> > > >>>>> > weightage.Your opinion would be > appreciated.> > > >>>>> > Chandrashekhar.> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> > lakshmi ramesh wrote:> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> > > Om Gurave Namah> > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > Namaste Chandrasekar ji,> > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in > own> > > >>>>> house/moolatrikona.> > > >>>>> Please> > > >>>>> > > look at the ashtakavarga & bala of > > Saturn. Who> > > >>>>> is more empowered> > > >>>>> to> > > >>>>> > > protect the house, based on both > strength > > and> > > >>>>> functionality,> > > >>>>> Jupiter> > > >>>>> > > or Saturn? I request you to ponder on > > this.> > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > Regards,> > > >>>>> > > Lakshmi> > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > > Dear Lakshmi,> > > >>>>> > > If I may point out, in Javed's > case > > Guru> > > >>>>> is in own house and> > > >>>>> in> > > >>>>> > > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts > Guru. > > The> > > >>>>> dictum is Sthana> > > >>>>> rakshati> > > >>>>> > > Mandah. Guru's exception to house > > damage> > > >>>>> occurs when he is in> > > >>>>> own> > > >>>>> > > house.> > > >>>>> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > > lakshmi ramesh wrote:> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> Om Gurave Namah> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> Namaste Pradeep ji,> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> I happen to know of individuals > who > > have> > > >>>>> strong Guru in 4th> > > >>>>> and> > > >>>>> > >> 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has > blessed > > the> > > >>>>> individual with> > > >>>>> great> > > >>>>> > >> knowledge, an intelligence that > > borders> > > >>>>> on genius and a rare> > > >>>>> > >> inner harmony. That person, a > devout> > > >>>>> Muslim, is one of the> > > >>>>> finest> > > >>>>> > >> individuals I have ever come > across, > > and> > > >>>>> he is very attached> > > >>>>> to> > > >>>>> > >> his family and mother and there > are > > no> > > >>>>> problems what so ever> > > >>>>> on> > > >>>>> > >> the home front. This individual > is > > highly> > > >>>>> esteemed in his> > > >>>>> work> > > >>>>> > >> environment and has all the > comforts > > one> > > >>>>> could desire.> > > >>>>> Infact,> > > >>>>> > >> Guru in 4th is supposed to cast> > > >>>>> sukhargala on lagna, which is> > > >>>>> > >> good for the general health & > > happiness> > > >>>>> of the person.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> The individual with Jupiter & > Saturn > > in> > > >>>>> 7th (Dhanus) is my> > > >>>>> own> > > >>>>> > >> dear husband. We have been very > > happily> > > >>>>> married for nearly 20> > > >>>>> > >> years. My husband has prospered> > > >>>>> remarkably after marriage.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> I am posting the charts here.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> I request that you also post the > > charts> > > >>>>> of the individuals to> > > >>>>> > >> whom you were referring in your > > post, for> > > >>>>> our edification and> > > >>>>> > >> discussion.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> Regards,> > > >>>>> > >> Lakshmi> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >> */vijayadas_pradeep> > > >>>>> <vijayadas_pradeep>/* wrote:> > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >> Dear Chandrashekhar ji> > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >> I have been trying to test the> > > >>>>> principles taught by you> > > >>>>> > >> related to> > > >>>>> > >> guru in various bhavas.> > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >> When in 3rd always some > > difficulties> > > >>>>> for siblings.Even> > > >>>>> when> > > >>>>> > >> in own> > > >>>>> > >> sign and in 4th,problems for > > mother> > > >>>>> and at home front.> > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >> When in 7th at marriage > > front.When in> > > >>>>> Lagna and not in> > > >>>>> own> > > >>>>> > >> sign some> > > >>>>> > >> physical weakness and health > > problems> > > >>>>> in childhood.> > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >> Thus Guru tests the individual> > > >>>>> thouroughly.> > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >> Also sages have advised that > > Guru is> > > >>>>> not favourable while> > > >>>>> > >> transiting> > > >>>>> > >> kendra houses 1,4,and 10th > from> > > >>>>> moon.Only the 7th kendra> > > >>>>> is> > > >>>>> > >> beneficial.(Is there any > reason > > for> > > >>>>> this?) Only> > > >>>>> 2nd,5th,7th> > > >>>>> > >> and 9th> > > >>>>> > >> are favourable.11th being > good > > for> > > >>>>> all planets in> > > >>>>> general.> > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >> Respect> > > >>>>> > >> Pradeep> > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >> --- In> > > >>>>> vedic astrology, > > Chandrashekhar> > > >>>>> > >> <boxdel>> > > >>>>> > >> wrote:> > > >>>>> > >> > Dear Anuj,> > > >>>>> > >> > I am glad you agree with > me. > > As you> > > >>>>> rightly said in> > > >>>>> your> > > >>>>> > >> message> > > >>>>> > >> to> > > >>>>> > >> > Razdan,a the dictum is > pretty > > well> > > >>>>> known to> > > >>>>> astrologers.> > > >>>>> > >> There are> > > >>>>> > >> many> > > >>>>> > >> > shlokas to that effects and > > charts> > > >>>>> prove the veracity> > > >>>>> of the> > > >>>>> > >> dictum, I> > > >>>>> > >> > have myself posted a few of > > them> > > >>>>> earlier.> > > >>>>> > >> > Unfortunately there is a > > tendency> > > >>>>> to mix up terms like> > > >>>>> > >> Benefic/Malefic> > > >>>>> > >> > with the results a planet > is > > likely> > > >>>>> to give. This> > > >>>>> happens more> > > >>>>> > >> with> > > >>>>> > >> > Jupiter as people usually > tend > > to> > > >>>>> equate it with> > > >>>>> Deeksha> > > >>>>> > >> Guru as> > > >>>>> > >> his> > > >>>>> > >> > name in Sanskrit is Guru. > > People> > > >>>>> tend to forget> > > >>>>> Parashara> > > >>>>> > >> telling> > > >>>>> > >> when> > > >>>>> > >> > Guru can act as Maraka and > > want to> > > >>>>> attribute only good> > > >>>>> and> > > >>>>> > >> pious> > > >>>>> > >> > attributes to him. I prefer > to > > keep> > > >>>>> my personal> > > >>>>> feelings and> > > >>>>> > >> prejudices> > > >>>>> > >> > apart from application of> > > >>>>> astrological principles.> > > >>>>> > >> > Take care,> > > >>>>> > >> > Chandrashekhar.> > > >>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>> > >> > nameisego wrote:> > > >>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > Respected Chandrashekhar > ji.> > > >>>>> > >> > > Please accpet my pranams > as > > you> > > >>>>> are the senior most> > > >>>>> Guru> > > >>>>> > >> in age> > > >>>>> > >> and> > > >>>>> > >> > > experience in this group.> > > >>>>> > >> > > Your observation about > Guru > > is> > > >>>>> absolutely right.> > > >>>>> > >> > > Self had posted in this > > group and> > > >>>>> elsewhere an> > > >>>>> article on "> > > >>>>> > >> > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" > some > > time> > > >>>>> back where it was> > > >>>>> shown> > > >>>>> > >> Guru's> > > >>>>> > >> > > position in various > houses > > which> > > >>>>> had been> > > >>>>> > >> destroyed/troubled by> > > >>>>> > >> Guru.> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva> > > >>>>> > >> > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau > Shanih"> > > >>>>> > >> > > This Dictum had been > proved > > by self.> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go > thro'> > > >>>>> older postings and read> > > >>>>> for> > > >>>>> > >> yourself and> > > >>>>> > >> > > check the examples that > were > > given.> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > Difference between > Jupiter > > and> > > >>>>> saturn is, Jupiter> > > >>>>> sucks the> > > >>>>> > >> goodness> > > >>>>> > >> > > of a house and gives > fruit to> > > >>>>> houses it aspects.> > > >>>>> Saturn> > > >>>>> > >> sucks the> > > >>>>> > >> > > houses he aspects and > > increases> > > >>>>> the house it> > > >>>>> occupies.> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > Tatvam-Asi> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > --- In> > > >>>>> vedic astrology, PNRazdan> > > >>>>> > >> <pnrazdan>> > > >>>>> > >> > > wrote:> > > >>>>> > >> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,> > > >>>>> > >> > > > You seem to be > extending > > your> > > >>>>> arguments against> > > >>>>> Jupiter> > > >>>>> > >> still> > > >>>>> > >> > > further.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > Firstly you said that > Jup > > is> > > >>>>> ashub in houses it is> > > >>>>> a> > > >>>>> > >> designated as a> > > >>>>> > >> > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and > 11> > > >>>>> based on the principle> > > >>>>> of> > > >>>>> > >> "Karka> > > >>>>> > >> Bhavo> > > >>>>> > >> > > Nasa"> > > >>>>> > >> > > > . Now you say that it > will > > harm> > > >>>>> every house it is> > > >>>>> > >> placed in.> > > >>>>> > >> Why> > > >>>>> > >> > > this> > > >>>>> > >> > > > animosity with Jup, the > > hope of> > > >>>>> millions believing> > > >>>>> in Vedic> > > >>>>> > >> > > Astrology> > > >>>>> > >> > > > (in lighter vein).> > > >>>>> > >> > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > You refer to some > dictum > > of a> > > >>>>> sage, source was not> > > >>>>> > >> given by> > > >>>>> > >> you. But> > > >>>>> > >> > > > take out any basic book > on> > > >>>>> ancient astrology. It> > > >>>>> always> > > >>>>> > >> speaks> > > >>>>> > >> of> > > >>>>> > >> > > the> > > >>>>> > >> > > > benefic qualities of > > Jupiter.> > > >>>>> Somewhere it is even> > > >>>>> > >> said, that> > > >>>>> > >> > > howsoever> > > >>>>> > >> > > > bad it may be placed > in, it> > > >>>>> will still try to help> > > >>>>> the> > > >>>>> > >> subject. And> > > >>>>> > >> > > > this has been amply > proved > > by> > > >>>>> our experience.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > I am afraid. you will > have > > to> > > >>>>> do some more> > > >>>>> hardwork for> > > >>>>> > >> convincing> > > >>>>> > >> > > all> > > >>>>> > >> > > > about your notions of > > Jupiter,> > > >>>>> the heavenly> > > >>>>> Brahiman. This> > > >>>>> > >> would> > > >>>>> > >> > > even> > > >>>>> > >> > > > mean a paradigm shift > in > > Vedic> > > >>>>> Astrology.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > Pran Razdan> > > >>>>> > >> > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > --- Chandrashekhar> > > >>>>> <boxdel> wrote:> > > >>>>> > >> > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Dear Prafulla,> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Reference to Leo was > in> > > >>>>> connection with what> > > >>>>> > >> Shubhangi had> > > >>>>> > >> asked.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Jupiter harming the > > house he> > > >>>>> is placed in is a> > > >>>>> dictum> > > >>>>> > >> given> > > >>>>> > >> by> > > >>>>> > >> > > sages> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > and> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > there is no reason to > > try to> > > >>>>> find out the> > > >>>>> reason. If one> > > >>>>> > >> wants to> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > find> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > the reason about Leo,> > > >>>>> consider this in natural> > > >>>>> zodiac> > > >>>>> > >> Leo is> > > >>>>> > >> in> > > >>>>> > >> > > 5th> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > house whose > occupation by> > > >>>>> Jupiter leads to> > > >>>>> Karaka Bhava> > > >>>>> > >> Dasha. In> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > 11th> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > all planets are > Shubha > > so it> > > >>>>> is not only Jupiter> > > >>>>> who is> > > >>>>> > >> Shubha> > > >>>>> > >> > > there.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Disha strength is one > > amongst> > > >>>>> many strengths> > > >>>>> > >> considered but> > > >>>>> > >> not> > > >>>>> > >> > > as> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > strong as Digbala and > > Jupiter> > > >>>>> gets that in Lagna.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Prafulla Gang wrote:> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar > ji> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > In my humble view, > > (Jupiter> > > >>>>> may not be> > > >>>>> preferred in> > > >>>>> > >> Leo for> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Muhurta,> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > I do not know much > > about> > > >>>>> muhurta related> > > >>>>> > >> configurations),It may> > > >>>>> > >> > > not> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > become weak in > terms of> > > >>>>> Bala necessarily> > > >>>>> (generally> > > >>>>> > >> speaking).> > > >>>>> > >> > > In> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact, jupiter in > 3rd > > house> > > >>>>> in Libra is> > > >>>>> considered bad.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Jupiter in 11th > house > > (any> > > >>>>> sign) will have> > > >>>>> directional> > > >>>>> > >> strength> > > >>>>> > >> > > to> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > initiate for > results.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > There must be more > than> > > >>>>> this reason, for> > > >>>>> jupiter to> > > >>>>> > >> give> > > >>>>> > >> > > negative> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > results.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > regards/Prafulla > Gang> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > --- In> > > >>>>> vedic astrology,> > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > <boxdel>> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > wrote:> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Dear Shubhangi,> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Being an Indian > you > > must> > > >>>>> know that Jupiter> > > >>>>> looses his> > > >>>>> > >> > > strength in> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Leo> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > and that is why > > there are> > > >>>>> no Muhurtas for> > > >>>>> > >> marriages when> > > >>>>> > >> > > Jupiter> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > occupies Leo or > what > > is> > > >>>>> called as Simhastha.> > > >>>>> That> > > >>>>> > >> is due> > > >>>>> > >> to> > > >>>>> > >> > > the> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact of> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Guru lacking > Bala. In> > > >>>>> your brother's case Sun> > > >>>>> > >> being in> > > >>>>> > >> own> > > >>>>> > >> > > Rasi> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > makes> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > him Shubha and > > therefore> > > >>>>> good relations with> > > >>>>> > >> Father. But> > > >>>>> > >> I> > > >>>>> > >> > > would> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > say he> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > would not follow > > father's> > > >>>>> profession.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik > wrote:> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Dear Sir,> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Sorry for > > intervening in> > > >>>>> your session, but> > > >>>>> I am> > > >>>>> > >> curious> > > >>>>> > >> to> > > >>>>> > >> > > know> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > the logic behind > > jupiter> > > >>>>> losing its strength> > > >>>>> in leo> > > >>>>> > >> and> > > >>>>> > >> hence> > > >>>>> > >> > > this> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > email.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Yes, your dictum > > worked> > > >>>>> in my brother's> > > >>>>> case also.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >My brother has > > sun+jup> > > >>>>> in leo but in 8th, no> > > >>>>> > >> doubt he> > > >>>>> > >> is very> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > intelligent but did > > not do> > > >>>>> much well in> > > >>>>> academics> > > >>>>> > >> and yes,> > > >>>>> > >> he> > > >>>>> > >> > > did> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fail once in his > 10th > > class.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >With my half > > knowledge I> > > >>>>> thought the reason> > > >>>>> to> > > >>>>> > >> be the> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > positioning> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > of both the planets > in > > 8th,> > > >>>>> but now curious to> > > >>>>> know> > > >>>>> > >> why jup> > > >>>>> > >> > > losses> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > strength in leo.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >But though both > > planets> > > >>>>> are positioned in> > > >>>>> 8th, both> > > >>>>> > >> father> > > >>>>> > >> > > and> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > son shares good > > relation> > > >>>>> with each other.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Thanks,> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Shubhangi> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep > 2004> > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar wrote :> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira,> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>There you see > the> > > >>>>> dictum working. Is it> > > >>>>> not?> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Regards,> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > >>>>> > >& > > > >>>>> > > >>> --------------------> ---> > ----------------> > > >>> > > > >>> Mail> > > >>> > > > <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/50x/*http://promotions.> .> > com/new_mail/static/efficiency.html>> > > >>> - 50x more storage than other providers! > > > >>> > > >> -------------------------> ---> > -----------> > > >> > > > >> Mail> > > >> > > > <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/50x/*http://promotions.> .> > com/new_mail/static/efficiency.html>> > > >> - 50x more storage than other providers! > > > >> > > > ------------------------------> ---> > ------> > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! > > > > > > > <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/mobile/*http://mobile..> c> > om/maildemo> > > > > Get it on your mobile phone.> > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Dear Ramesh, Please just call me Ash. Ashtakavarga is a tool given to us by Sages. Krushnas Ashtakavarga System is a full system that uses Ashtakavarga tool in a system to find timing of events. If you visit list and study the kind of question people ask you can see a pattern. The most general quetions asked are 1) When will I get married ? 2) Why am i facing financial problems ? 3) When will I get a job ? 4) When will I get stability in career ? 5) Will I get admission into college / university ? 6) I am facing such and such health problems when will I go away ? 7) I am facing court case when will it be resolved ? 8) We are trying for children when will we get children ? 9) Why is there delay in getting child ? 10) I am facing maritial problems when will things settle down ? 11) When will I buy a house or car ? 12) When will I travel abroad ? And like this there maybe others that I am overlooking. But mostly people ask such questions. All these questions have got to do with timing of events. If you understand the technique on how to time events you can answer all questions on timing. Krushnas Ashtakavarga System uses Ashtakavarga in a full system and using that you can Time events accurately. As in reference to your question on not being able to access the web frequently to read lessons and visit lists, you can download or take a print out of the lessons. They are all numbered and formatted nicely. They are in microsoft word format and from Donnas website you can download them in pdf format and go through them. Donna Quinns websits is http://krushna.sageasita.com/ I hope this helps. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash vedic astrology, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002> wrote: > Dear Ash Ji, > Thank you very much for directing me to Krushnas Astakvarga System. I became one of the member of this group. I think ,I may learn a lot taking help of this system. > Please tell me , is there any differences between general astakvarga system and Krushnas Astakvarga System ? > I could not open the site of "sageasita.com"as suggested by you. > Thanks once again.We may meet in future. Actually I do not get enough time to be online.This is the reason I am always missing you people.Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Dear Ash Thanks for your time and detailed explanation.It was my mistake to ask broadly on something, which can only be explained in detail.But still you gave me an idea about various Samdharmi possibilities,Strengths and overview of Transits.I have roughly browsed through the notebooks and lessons.It makes me feel that one needs dedication and hardwork to master those.I think this system (Ashtakavarga in general) provides an unique method for assessing the strength of planets.Usage of 4/10 Samadharmi position along with AV,is a good example.Parashara has pointed out the great role of mutual yogakarakas.Thus i think this system is kind of a short cut.Also as you have said any planet can deliver only on the basis of its overall strength,though strong w.r to a particular aspect. Thus i think if one wants to predict consistently without astakavarga , vast experience/mastery in vedic astrology is a must.I am a beginner even with respect to other astrological fundamentals and hence cannot comment more. In one of the pages it has been mentioned that Rashi and Navamsha has equal strength.What should one understand from this?From your mail i have understood that,the system takes into account of rashi and navamsha positions together and then apply multiplication factors.But multiplication factor is giving more weightage to Rashi positions?Is there any reason for this?. Does this mean debilitation in navamsha is only harming a particular strength of the planet? In another place it is mentioned that planets in the same navamsha are samadharmis ,but this is the lowest level.This is an interesting point.My understanding is,though they are in same navamsha tattwas ,they will not be ' together ', unless they are together in Rashi as well, and hence the above statement and low weightage.Am right? I have found that your system considers Rashi and Navamsha analysis together.This is interesting.Thus for other vargas as well,shouldnt be the case similar?Your system attributing lowest importance among samadharmis,for planets in same navamsha has a big meaning.Thus i think SAV analysis of Divisional positions is not reaching my understanding.Because as per my understanding divisional positions taken in isolation and considered together cannot have a meaning of its own. If that was the case,in the same navamsha samadharmi example ,when 2 planets are together,weightage should had been high.Anyways the last paragraph is only regarding something which i find very difficult to understand,and it is a general doubt.While ashtakavarga analyses the relative positional strength from eight angles across the jataka, ShadVarga is analysing six fold strength of a planet or lagna within a 30 degree sign.May be i have to learn and look for more to find a clue. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, "ashsam73" <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Pradeep, > Please just call me Ash. > > My answers in CAPS. > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > Dear Ash ji & Chandrashekhar ji > > > > This debate on Astakavarga and its importance during chart analysis > > is becoming really educative. > > ASH : I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE LEARNING FROM CHANDRASHEKHAR AND MY > DISCUSSION. > > I was scared to ask any questions due > > to my ignorance. But i think i may ask couple of questions of > broad > > nature. > > ASH : WHY ARE U SCARED OF ASKING ANY QUESTION ? IT IS AN HONOUR FOR > ANYONE WHO WANTS TO LEARN THIS SCIENCE OF LIGHT AND HELP PEOPLE IN > NEED. I HAVE SEEN SUCH NICE POSTS FROM YOU IN THE PAST. PLEASE FEEL > FREE TO ASK. I SHALL TRY TO ANSWER EACH POINT IN THE LIMITED TIME > AND RESOUCES I HAVE. > > > > > Ash ji, I am glad that your system considers the Vargas as an > > inherent division within the Rashi,and it should be like that as > > per my humble understanding of Parashara.This gives me confidence and > > trust.Now you have said jupiter within the second navamsha,in > cancer > > is samadharmi to Sun. > > > ASH : BEFORE WE DWELVE ANY FURTHER PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE > FOLLOWING. > > 1) ASHTAKAVARGA IS TAUGHT BY MAHARISHI PARASARA AND VARHARAMIRA AND > MOSTLY ALL BOOKS HAVE REFERENCE AND SHOLKES ON ASHTAKAVARGA. BUT IN > NO BOOK A SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING ASHTAKAVARGA IS GIVEN. > > 2) ASHTAKAVARGA IS A TOOL GIVEN AND IS USED IN ALL VARGAS. ITS > APPLICABLE IN ALL D-CHARTS. EXPLORE THE FEATURES GIVEN IN JHL AND > YOU CAN SEE THAT ITS PROGRAMMED TO GIVE SAV FOR ALL D-CHARTS. > > 3) ASHTAKAVARGA WHEN USED IN A FULL SYSTEM IS USED VERY EFFECTIVELY > TO TIME ALL EVENTS. ITS USE IS NOT LIMITED TO TRANSITS AND TIMING > LONGEVITY. > > 4) WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM ALL FACTORS ARE > CONSIDERED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. ASHTAKAVARGA IF YOU GO DEEPER AND > TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE THEORY BEHIND KAS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND > WHAT I AM SAYING. I MYSELF HAVE SPEND SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO > UNDERSTAND THE DEEP THEORY BEHIND KAS AND AM TRUELY AMAZED. IT DID > NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT BUT IT TOOK TIME AND DEDICATION AND I STILL HAVE > MUCH TO LEARN. > > OK. NOW THAT THIS IS CLARIFIED I SHALL PROCEED TO ANSWER YOUR > QUESTIONS. > > > > > As per my understanding ,any transiting planet will trigger the > > planets placed in a house ,their lords and also the lord of the > > transiting house.Thus when a planet transits say 3deg 20 to 6 deg > > 40, (as you have mentioned) in Cancer,it is also transiting > navamsha > > of sun, w.r to that Rashi.Thus this transit will trigger Sun and > > also Jupiter,as jupiter is placed within that navamsha.Also this is > > an intense transit as far as the planet is concerned (exact > > navamsha). > > > > Is this the basis for Samadharmi? > > ASH : OK. TRANSITS IS A VERY DETAILED TOPIC. IN SHORT I WILL TELL U > SOMETHING. YOU CAN STUDY HOW ONE WILL FEEL IN A DAY BY USING SAV. > THERE IS A FULL LESSON JUST EXPLAINING THIS. SO THAT COVERES ONE > PORTION OF TRANSITS. THE SECOND PORTION OF TRANSITS IS STUDYING > INDIVIDUAL TRANSITS. EACH TRANSIT MEANS DIFFERENT THNINGS BASED ON > KALPURUSH CHART AND THE NATAL CHART. TRANSIT OF SUN IS MOST > IMPORTANT TO TIME EVENTS. SUN IS BOSS OF ALL PLANETS. TRANSIT OF > SHANI AND GURU IS VERY IMPORTANT TO STUDY FINANCES. BEFORE YOU GET > INTO TRANSITS ONE MUST KNOW CLEARLY THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANETS FOR > EACH AND EVERY HOUSE. THE POWER OF EACH PLANET. > PRADEEP I AM FINDING IT HARD TO COMPRESS 35 LESSONS INTO 1 EMAIL. > TRANSITS IS A VERY LOADED TOPIC. I SHALL GIVE U REFERENCES BUT I > SUGGEST YOU STUDY ONE THING AT A TIME AND NOT CONFUSE MANY THINGS. > > RELATION BETWEEN RASHI AND NAVAMSA IS MOST IMPORTANT. AGAIN THERE > ARE LESSONS ON THIS ALSO. THIS IS CO-TIED AND CO-RELATED WITH > SAMDHARMI CONCEPT. > > WHAT IS SAMDHARMI YOU ASK ? ITS AGAIN A LOADED TOPIC. IN SHORT WHEN > PLANETS ARE IN 4:10 AND UNDER CERTAIN CONDITION I.E. PLANET IN 10TH > MUST HAVE LESS POINTS I.E. < 4 BINDUS AND PLANET IN 4THF ROM IT MUST > HAVE MORE THAN 4 POINTS IN THAT CASE THE 2 PLANETS BECOME POWEFUL > SAMDHARMIS. PLANETS IN THE SAME SIGN BECOME SAMDHARMI. WHEN SAY > GURU IS BETWEEN 3DEG20 TO 6DEG20 IN CANCER THEN THIS GURU WILL BECOME > SAMDHARMI TO SUN AS IT WILL FALL IN NAVAMSA OF SUN. SO AS YOU SAY > NAVAMSA DEPOSITER IS CONSIDERED. RAHU AND KETU ARE SAMDHARMI TO SIGN > AND NAKSHATRA LORDS. > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS ARE VENUS AND SHANI. MOON AND MARS AND SUN AND > MARS. IF YOU STUDY KEENLY VENUS AND SHANI ARE YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH > OTHERS HOUSES. ALSO IF YOU STUDY MORE CLOSELY THAT VENUS AND SHANI > ARE IN 5:9 AND 4:10 RELATION BETWEEN HOUSES OWNED BY THE PLANET SAME > FOR MOON AND MARS AND SUN AND MARS. THEY ARE ALSO YOGAKARAKS. > > SO LIKE THIS PLANETS CAN BECOME SAMDHAMIRS. FOR THAT THERE ARE 2 > LESSONS DEDICATED TO EXPALIN THIS CONCEPT. > > IF A PLANET IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS DUE TO ITS ASPECT ON A HOUSE > THEN ITS SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN AND DELIVER IT. LIKE THIS THERE ARE > SOME RULES. > > GURU IS SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS > 5TH HOUSE AND 5TH HOSUE IS PRIMARY SIGNFIFICATOR OF THE HOUSE SO ITS > GENERALLY SAID TO BE SPOILT AS ITSELF CANT GIVE RESULT. SOME > SAMDHARNMI WILL GIVE IT. SIMILARLY IN VEDIC TEXTS ITS GIVEN THAT > MARS SPOILS THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND SIMILAR LOGIC AS MARS ASPECTS > 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AGAIN TAHT IS A PRIMARY > SIGNIFICCATOR HOUSE SO ITSELF CANT GIVE RESULTS GENERALLY SO ITS > SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN. > > LESSON 8 AND 25 ARE DEDICATED TO TEACHING THE CONCEPT OF SAMDHARMIS. > FOR THOSE TO WHO THIS TERM MIGHT BE ALIEN, THIS CONCEPT COVERS SO > MANY THINGS WHICH IS LIKE YOGAKARAK, PLANEST PLACED IN SAME SIGN, > 4:10 OR I AM NOT SURE BUT IT MAYBE CALLED PARASPARAK OR MUTUAL CO- > WORKERS, NAVAMSA DEPOSITER, RAHU/KETU, PLANETS IN SAME NAKSHATRRA, > PLANETS PLACED IN SAME NAVAMSA SO IT MAY COVER THINGS LIKE SAY IF 2 > PLANETS ARE PLACED IN NAV-PANCHAM AND IN EXACT THEN THEY BECOME > SAMDHARMI AS THEY WILL COME IN SAME SIGN IN NAVAMSA. LIKE THAT SO > MANY THINGS ARE COVERED. PLEASE READ THE LESSONS AND FOR A LEARNED > PERSON LIKE YOU, YOU CAN EASILY UNDERSAND IT. > > > > > And i understand ,which planets transit ? will deliver such results > > has to be understood based on the values and the chart as a > > whole.Here the planets role,SAV and the individual points w.r to > > bhavas have a role to play.Am i right?.I am yet to learn the basics > > behind these. > > > > ASH : WHEN YOU READ THE LESSONS YOU WILL UNDERSERSTAND THAT THE KEY > TO TIMING OF EVENTS LIES IN UPCHAYA HOUSES. BAV-SAV-WORKSHEET > CONSIDER SO MANY FACTORS AND FROM THAT WE GET THE STRENGTH OF PLANETS > FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE IN NUMERICAL FORMAT. > ONCE U KNOW THE STRENGTH OF THE PLANET THEN LIFE UNFOLDS AS PER > VIMSHOTTARI DASHSA STARTING FROM MOON. THIS YOU CAN STUDY AS YOU > WILL HAVE THE WORKSHEET WITH YOU AND IN ANY ANTRA YOU CAN EASILY SEE > HOW A PLANET WHOS ANTRA IS RUNNING WILL ACT FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. > > IF YOU READ THE LESSONS IT WIL BECOME MORE EASY FOR ME TO EXPLAIN > THINGS AS YOU WILL HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OTHERWISE WHAT I AM SAYING > WILL SOUND GREEK AND LATIN. ON KAS LIST THERE ARE SO MANY CHARTS > SOLVED AND IT CAN ALSO GIVE ONE AN UNDERSTANDING ON THE SYSTEM AND > USE OF ASHTAKAVARG. > > > Now one question,similar to what Chandrashekhar ji has asked - Does > > this system account for the navamsha rashi relation ,while deriving > > strengths? > > ASH : WHEN YOU READ LESSONS 8 AND 25 THIS QUESTION WILL GET > RESOLVED. YES ALL RELATIONS ARE CONSIDERED. WHEN YOU FIND SAMDHARMI > ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED. > > For example if Jupiter is within capricorn navamsha,while > > arriving at strength of jupiter is this point considered?Does any > > Ashtakavarga system take into account varga positions while > arriving > > at strength? > > ASH : ASHTAKAVARGA GIVES STRENGTH OF PLANETS AND WORKSHEET WHICH IS > DERIVED FROM SAV GIVES COMBINED EFFECT. FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR ALL > 12 HOUSES IN NUMERICAL FORMAT. WHEN GURU GOES IUN NAVAMSA OF SHANI > IT BECOMES SAMDHARMI TO SHANI. IF GURU IS IN SAY FIRST 3DEG20 TO > 6DEG40 IN CAPRICORN THEN ITS SAMDHARMI TO GURU AND THE MULTIPLICATION > FACTOR IS 0.8. THIS PART IS LESSON 27. IF GURU WERE TO BE IN CANCER > AND BETWEEN 2O AND 23DEG20 THEN IT WILL STILL BE SAMDHARMI TO SHANI > AS IT WILL BE IN NEECHA STHAN OR IN CAPRICORN IN NAVAMSA BUT IN RASHI > ITS IN CANCER SO THE MULTIPLICATOIN FACTOR WILL BE 1.4. > ASHTAKAVARGA ITSELF IS A SYSTEM TO FIND THE STRENGH OF PLANET. ONCE > U STUDY WHAT THE FINAL WORKSHEET MEANS THIS QUESTION ON TRYING TO > FIND STRENTH USING SIGN PLACMENT WILL NOT BE NEEDED AS ASHTAKAVARGA > TOOL IS USED TO FIND THE STRENGTH. WITH ASHTAKAVARGA ONE STUDIES > EACH PLANET STRENGTH FROM WITH RESPECT TO LAGNA AND 7 PLANEST. > SAY GURU IS IN CANCER AND LAGNA IS CANCER SO FROM LAGNA GURU IS IN > 1ST, BUT SAY SUN IS IN 8TH THEN FROM SUN THIS GURU IN CANCER WILL BE > IN 6TH HOUSE. JU AND MO IN 6:8 RELATION IS ? THEN SAY IF SHANI IS IN > 12TH HOUSE THEN GURU AND SHANI ARE IN 2:12 IS THIS GOOD OR NOT > DESPITE GURU BEING IN UNCHA STHAN. NOW WHEN U STUDY THE SAME FROM > ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ALL THESE ARE CONSIDERD WHEN THE BAV TO SAV > IS CAST. ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED INDIRECTLY. THIS GIVES THE > STRENGTH OF PLANEST WHICH IS USED TO TIME EVENTS. YOU CAN THEN ADD > THE LAYER OF SIGN PLACMENT WHICH IS GIVEN IN LESSON 27 BUT THIS IS > NOT NEEDED TO TIME EVNETS. SIGN PLACMENT GIVES US THE BACKING THE > PLANET HAS FROM THE SIGN. IF GURU IS CANCER THEN THERE THE > MULTIPLICATON FACTOR IS 1.4 SO IT MEANS THAT GURU HAS 140% BACKING > FROM SIGN. SO IF GURU IS SAY IN 4TH HOUSE FOR SAY ARIES LAGNA AND > ITS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS THEN IT WILL BE VERY VERY EAGER TO GIVE > MARRIAGE. NOW IF THE DELAY PERIOD IS OVER AND IF GURUS ANTRA COMES > THEN MARRIAGE WILL HAPPEN. > SAY IF GURU IS IN CAPRICORN AND AQUARIUS IS LAGNA. THEN THIS GURU IS > IN 12TH HOSUE AND IF SUCH A GURU IS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS AND ANTRA OF > GURU COMES THEN THIS GURU WILL BECOME VERY EAGER TO GIVE MARRIAGE > DESPITE BEING IN CAPROCORN. > NOW GURU IS IN CAPROCORN SO THE RESULTS WILL BE FELT WITH A > MULTIPLICAON FACTOR OF 0.8. > I DONT KNOW IF ALL THIS MAKES SENSE TO YOU BUT IF U GO THROUGH THE > LESSONS ALL THIS WILL MAKE SENSE TO YOU AS U WILL HAVE SOME > CONTINUITY. > > Or does it mean, strength of a planet vis-a-vis > > temporal/natural relationships has to be understood/evaluated > > outside the relams of ashtakavarga, and then ashtakavarga > principles > > have to applied on top. > > > > ASH : WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A SYSTEM I.E. KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA > SYSTEM THEN ONE SHOULD USE FULL SYSTEM. THE SYSTEM USES GRAHA > DRISTI, ALL VARGAS, ASHTAKAVARGA AND ALL THE THINGS THAT U CALL VEDIC > ASTROLOGY. BUT THERE ARE SOME RULES THAT ONE MUST UNDERSTAND AND > THEORY OF KAS AND HOW UPCHAYA HOUSES IS USED TO TIME EVENTS. > > > Kindly explain. > > > > ASH : I HAVE TRIED MY BEST TO EXPLAIN. THERE ARE 35 LESSONS AND YOU > HAVE ASKED ME UNKNOWINGLY TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS TO YOU IN 1 MAIL LOL... > I HAVE TRIED. JUST KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND READ THE LESSONS. > > THE LESSONS ARE FOUND IN THE FILE SECTION IN > > / > > PLEASE READ THEM AND I AM SURE YOU WILL UNDERTAND IT AND WILL BE ABLE > TO TIME EVENTS VERY NICELY. IF NOT IT WILL STILL IN THE LEAST SHOW > YOU AND REMOVE THIS MISCONCEPTION THAT ASHTAKAVARGA CAN BE USED FOR > TRANSITS AND TIMING LONGEVITY ONLY. > > I HOPE THIS MAIL HELPS. > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > > > > > vedic astrology, Ash <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > There is no contradiction. Maybe in your confused state you are > > making such assumptions. > > > > > > Firstly as you are very well aware that the chart must be looked > > as a whole. For that you consider all parameters and for that you > > have the entire worksheet. That gives the total strength which I > > have given for Sa = 10 and Ju = 11. Individual points of Sa = 1 > and > > Ju = 5. These points are obtained in the SAV by Ju and Sa. > > Worksheet is derived from SAV. This part I do not think you will > > understand unless you study the method that is used to derive the > > entire worksheet. This part is not given in any book and that is > > what I mention so it will be beyond your comphrehension for now. I > > have given the website of Krushnaji and you can download the > > worksheet and study it and let me know. > > > > > > Now You have talked of logic of Sa = 1 and Ju = 5 but what about > > aspects ? What about 6th lord, What about aspects on Sa and Ju, > > what about if Sa and Ju rule any upchaya houses and the special > > consideratoins ? > > > > > > Have u just seen one points and came to conclusion that Ju is > > stronger than Sa ? > > > > > > If so then its the system that you use is causing all confusion > > and that 2 people using same technique of finding out strength are > > coming to different conclusions ? > > > > > > The strength given in the final worksheet will determin how the > > planets will deliver their results for all houses. > > > > > > If Guru is in say 3deg20 to 6deg40 in cancer it will become > > samdharmi to Sun in navamsa. So such a guru can step in for Sun if > > sun is unable to deliver the results. > > > > > > I agree with you. The system you are using to find strength > there > > is no consistency. Someone studies the same chart and will say > that > > Ju is stronger than Sa and someone else will Say that Sa is > stronger > > than Ju. There is too many contradiction that exist in the system > > you study. > > > > > > Ashtakvarga has removed all these contradiction as the each > planet > > is studied from 8 different angles. > > > > > > In the end I will say that its Parasara who said that > Ashtakavarga > > is to be used by us people in Kali Yuga. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > I am now more confused than ever. You said " AS PER KAS ITS > BETTER > > TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN THEIR NEECHA STHAN AS 3 > > PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET IS WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE > > THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3 OTHER HOUSES STRONG > > AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM STRONG. SO OVERALL > > ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND BECOME MORE THAN > 12.". > > So by this logic would not Saturn who has only one point be > stronger > > than Jupiter who has 4 points? > > > If you are using Vimshottary Dashas as you stated, then to the > > best of my understanding Planets who are Neecha give more of their > > malefic nature results than had they been in Uccha. Is a different > > Vimshottary dasha system being used here? Again you say that > > strength of Navamsha and Rasi are equal in your system. Vedic > > Jyotish tells us that Navamsha strength overrules Rasi strength. > For > > example a planet exalted in Rasi but debilitated in Navamsha can > > only give results as if debilitated and one debilitated in Rasi if > > exalted in Navamsha shall give results as if exalted. Since the > > system is totally different from what is known as Vedic Jyotish in > > the parameters used, I do not think we can agree to the way we look > > at the strengths of planets. There are many such contradictions and > > I am only pointing out two of them as illustrations. > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ash wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > My answers in CAPS. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > I did not use Ashtakavarga to indicate timing of events at all > but > > only to illustrate a point from a different angle. My intention was > > to illustrate that Jupiter's position has not strengthened the > Bhava > > under consideration. If I remember right even that was in response > > to somebody's response mentioning Ashtakavarga Points. > > > > > > ASH : I AM ALSO ILLUSTRATING THE POINTS BUT FROM THE VIEW POINT > OF > > ASHTAKVARGA OR ONE CAN SAY THAT I AM USING THE TOOL OF ASHTAKVARGA > > TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. IF YOU SAY THAT BASED ON THE > > RELATIVE POSITIONING OF GURU AND SHANI YOU HAVE COMPARED THE > > STRENGTH OF BOTH AND THE END RESULT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT GURU IS > > WEAKER THAN SHANI THEN FROM THE ASHTAKVARGA VIEW POINT ITS NOT > > MATCHING. SINCE ASHTAKVARGA IS CONSIDERING ALL PLANETS WITH > RESPECT > > TO EACH OTHER AND ALSO FROM LAGNA USING ASHTAVARGA AS A TOOL I DO > > NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. SAV TAKES CARE OF THAT FROM ALL 8 > > ANGLES. > > > > > > > > > I fail to understand how strength is on the one hand calculated > on > > placement of bindus are considered to be the final strengths and in > > the same breath said to be arrived at based on a system which takes > > into consideration Navamsha strengths. Again how can a system that > > considers Navamsha strength for only a specific purpose like > delays > > be said to apply all the principles of Vedic astrology? > > > > > > ASH : THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM. THE > > FINAL STRENGTH IS DERIVED FROM SAV AS THE BASE. THE WHOLE SYSTEM > OF > > TIMING IS USING UPCHAYA HOUSES, ASPECTS ON PLANET AND PRIMARY > > SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE, 4:10 RELATIONSHIPS, WE DO NOT CONSIDER BENEFIC > > ASPECT OF 6TH LORD OR 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND SPECIAL > > CONSIDERATION TO 10TH LORD FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO 6TH FROM > > HOUSE UNDER FOCUS (IN SHORT UPCAHYA HOUSES). THIS IS ALL DONE TO > > THE SAV POINTS. SO THE FINAL POINTS THAT ONE GETS AND JUST TO > > CLARIFY WHICH IS THE WORKSHEET THAT I HAD REPRODUCED ON ALL THE > > STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE WHERE YOU CAN SEE > > THE STRENGTH AT A GLANCE IS FINALLY ARRIVED AT. THAT IS THE FINAL > > STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. BASED ON THIS STRENGTH YOU CAN USE IT > ALONG > > WITH VIMSHOTTARI DASHA STARTING FROM MOON ONLY WILL GIVE HOW THE > > ANTRA WILL DELIVER RESULTS FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT YOU CAN SEE AT > A > > GLANCE. I BELEIVE YOU ALSO AGREE THAT THE ANY ANTRA WORKS FOR ALL > > 12 HOUSES > > > AT THE SAME TIME MAYBE GIVING GOOD RESAULT FOR SOME HOUSES AND > > MAYBE MALEFIC FOR SOME OTHER. > > > > > > THIS WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO HONE INTO WHEN I ASKED YOU FOR > > WHICH HOUSE IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR ? FOR 7TH HOUSE ALSO > > BOTH HAVE LESS THAN 12 POINTS SO BOTH ARE NOT CONDUSIVE TO 12TH > > HOSUE MATTERS HOWEVER IF U COMPARE BOTH GURU IS STRONGER THAN SHANI > > FOR 7TH HOSUE MATTERS. FOR 10TH HOUSE MATTERS GURU IS FAR STRONGER > > THAN SHANI. I WILL REVERT TO THE POINTS MISCONCEPTION BELOW. > > > > > > Is the confusion on account of trying to analyze timing of events > > vis-a-vis the strengths of Bhavas and the Grahas? Or is it due to > my > > inability to convey my meaning or understanding yours? > > > > > > ASH : HOW WOULD YOU TIME ANY EVENT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE > > STRENGTH. AS PER MY UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE USING ANY SYSTEM TRY TO > > FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. YOU CAN STUDY IT FROM SHAD > BAL, > > YOU CAN STUDY IF ITS ATMAKARAK OR DARAKARAK ETC ETC THEN STUDY ITS > > AVASTHA ETC ETC THE YOGS ITS MAKING, IF ITS YOGAKARAKA, OR MAKING > > ANY MAHAYOGA ETC, STUDY IT FROM SUN/MOON/LAGNA/HL/GL/BL/AK/AL ETC > > ETC.. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT SOME HOW OR THE OTHER ONE > > PERSON WHO IS STUDYING THE CHART IS TRYING TO GAUGE IF THIS PLANETS > > STRENGTH TO SEE IF THE PLANET WILL DELIVER THE RESULT. SOME CALL > IT > > FRUTIFICATION OF YOGAS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY ONE PERSON IS > > TRYING TO GAUGE BY FINDING OUT THE BAL IF THE PLANET WILL GIVE THE > > RESULT. THAT IS WHAT I CALL TIMING. PERSON ASK WHEN WILL MY DEBT > > GET OVER ? WHEN WILL I MARRY ? WHEN WILL I HAVE CHILDREN ? WHEN > > WILL MY HEALTH CRISIS GET OVER ? AND SO MANY SUCH QUESTIONS ARE > > POSED. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR TIMING OF EVENTS. > > > > > > WITH KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM I AM FINDING OUT THE STRENGTH > > USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM. WHEN I SAY A SYSTEM I MEAN I > > AM USING VIMSHOTTARI DASHA, UPCHAYA HOUSES, SAV, BAV, PAV, > TRANSITS, > > CERTAIN SPECIAL LAWS LIKE GURU IN LIBRA, VENUS IN KRITTIKA, AADRA, > > MOOLA, JAYESHTA, SUN TO VENUS DISTANCE, SOME RULES ON SAV AND THEN > > FINALLY I GO THROUGH A TEDIOUS PROCESS OF CASTING THE WORKSHEET > > WHICH I HAD DISPLAYED WHICH USES SAV AS THE BASE AND FROM THAT THE > > THINGS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED SUCH AS 4:10 REPLATIONSHIPS, ASPECTS > > ON PLANETS, ASPECTS ON PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES, BENEFIC ASPECT > > ADJUSTMENT FOR 6TH LORD AND 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO > > PLANETS IN UPCHAYA'S WITH > 4 BINDUS ETC. AFTER THAT I COME TO THE > > FINAL STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. AS PER KAS NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS > > AS COMPARED TO RASI. THEN WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF FINDING > > SAMDHARMI. WHAT YOU WOULD CALL, NAVAMSA DEPOISTER, NATURAL > > SAMDHARMIS I.E. VENUS AND SHANI , MOON AND MARS, SUN AND MARS. I > > BELEIVE > > > THESE ARE CALLED YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH OTHERS CHART. 4:10 IS THE > > MOST POWEFUL SAMDHARMI WHERE IF PLANET IN 10TH HAS < 4 BINDUS AND > > PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT HAS > 4 BINDUS. LIKE THIS ITS A WHOLE > > SYSTEM. EACH AND EVERY FACTOR IS CONSIDERED. > > > > > > THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS NOT EXISITING IN PHALDIPIKA, BPHS, TEXTS BY > > VARHARMIRA OR ANY OTHER SCHOLAR DESPITE ALL TEXTS MENTIONING > > VERSES. EVEN SOME VERSES ARE MISSING THAT WAS GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI > IN > > HIS WRITEUP. > > > > > > WHAT YOU HAD SAID THAT ASHTAKVARGA DOES NOT CONSIDER SIGN > > PLACEMENT IS ALSO A PART OF THE ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM. HOWEVER WE DO > > NOT NEED IT TO TIME EVENTS. WE USE WHATS CALLED THE MULTIPLICATION > > FACTOR TABLE FOR EXAMPLE MERCURY IN VIRGO HAS MULTIPLCAITON FACFTOR > > OF 1.4 AND SO DOES GURU IN CANCER. SUCH THINGS GIVE US FURTHER > > CLARITY ON HOW THE RESULT WILL "FEEL" BUT IS NOT NEEDED TO TIME > > EVENT. > > > > > > THIS IS WHAT I CALL A FULL SYSTEM AND I KEEP SAYING THAT SO MUCH > > OF ALL THIS IS GONE / VANISHED FROM THE ANTIENT TEXTS. I HOPE NOW > U > > WILL UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BY WHATS AVAILABLE ON ASHTAKAVARGA IS A > > FRACTION AND ITS USE AS A SYSTEM IS NOT THERE AT ALL IN ANY TEXTS > > FOR TIMING OF EVENTS. > > > > > > THIS IS WHAT I KEPT SAYING THAT THIS SYSTEM MUST HAVE EXISTED IN > > ANTIENT TEXTS WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH WAS > > TAUGHT BY HIS GURU AND WAS KEPT IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE. > > > > > > You are perhaps talking about Prastarashtakvarga when you say > BAV, > > since in BAV I do not think a planet's BAV can get 10 or 11 bindus > > in that you mention in any Bhava. The maximum that might be > > received would be around 7. Use of prastarashtkavarga is for > > movement of transit planet in that planet's kakshya and the number > > of bindus received from the planet makes him a bindu pradata. > > > > > > > > > ASH : NO I AM NOT TALKING OF PRASTARASHTAKAVARGA. I DID ALLUDE > TO > > THAT IN MY MAIL TO LAKSHMI. WHEN I TOLD HER THAT ONLY VENUS WAS > > GIVING HIS FAVOURABLE VOTE TO SHANI OR SHANI WAS MAKING A > FAVOURABLE > > WITH VENUS. SIMILARLY I WENT INTO FURHER DETAIL TO EXPLAIN THAT > > GURU GETS 5 BINDUS AND WHICH OF THE 5 PLANET/LAGNA WAS SUPPORTING. > > I WAS NOT MEANING TO GO INTO THIS MUCH DETAIL BUT SUCH THINGS ARE > > USED TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL. THE 10 AND 11 BINDUS IS THE TOTAL > > POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET AS THE FINAL STRENGH OF THE PLANET WHICH IS > > CALCUALTED AS I HAVE MENTIONED ABOVE I.E KEEPING SAV AS THE BASE > AND > > THEN USING THE ASPECTS, 6TH LORDS, ASPECT ON PALNET ETC ETC. THE > > FINAL STRENGTH AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS TEDIOUS PROCESS WERE THE > > POINTS I HAVE WRITTEN. THIS IS THE FINAL STRENGTH OF ALL 7 PLANETS > > FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THE FINAL STRENGTHS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND > > ANYTHING LESS THAN 12 MEANS MALEFIC AND GREATER THAN 12 MEANS > > BENEFIC. 12 IS NEUTRAL. IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSAND THE ENTIRE > > > PROCESS IN WHICH I CAME TO THE 11 AND 10 POINTS FOR GURU AND > > SHANI FOR 7TH HOUSE I WILL REVERT IN A SEPERATE MAIL OR WILL REFER > > YOU TO THE APPROPRIATE TEXTS. > > > > > > I did not want to get into an argument where two different > systems > > are being used. > > > > > > ASH : I AM NOT ARGUING I AM DISCUSSING. I AM TAKING YOUR EACH > > POINT AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN MY VIEW POINT. SO PLEASE DO NOT > > CONSIDER THIS AS AN ARGUMENT AT ALL. I HOPE OTHERS WHO ARE READING > > WILL ALSO LEARN FROM THIS AND THE EFFORT. > > > > > > However if you want to consider strengths on the basis of number > > of Bindus given by a Planet then would it not be relevant that > > Jupiter can get 56 Bindus whereas Saturn only 39 ? > > > > > > ASH : GURU IS A BENEFIC WHY ? WHY IS SHANI CALLED A MALEFIC ? IF > > YOU STUDY IT FROM ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ITS ALL IN NUMERICAL > > VALUE. GURU HAS BEEN ALLOCATED 56 BINDUS AND SHANI AND MARS HAVE > > BEEN ALLOCATED 39 BINDUS ONLY. IT MEANS THAT GURU CAN MAKE MORE > > FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI AND MARS. SO WE CAN SAY GURU > > IS BENEFIC AS 7 PLANETS AND LAGANAS WILL DISTRIBUTE 56 POINTS SO > > MORE CHANCES OF GURU TO MAKE FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI > > AND MARS. EACH AND EVERYTHING HAS MEANING. SUN HAS 48 POINTS. > > MAX POINTS A HOUSE CAN RECEIVE IS 96 AND SUN RECEIVES 48 SO ITS > > CALLED KRUR OR YOU CAN SAY ALSO ON BORDERLINE. > > > > > > Would this then mean that a debilitated Jupiter will be stronger > > than exalted Saturn in a hypothetical horoscope and still that > would > > be application of principles of Vedic Astrology? I would not think > > so. > > > > > > ASH : FOR TIMING OF EVENTS ITS IMMETERIAL WHERE GURU IS PLACED IN > > WHICH SIGN AND WHERE SHANI IS PLACED. HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE. YOU > > ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET USING SIGN > PLACEMENT > > AND AS PER ASHTAKVARGA I DONT NEED TO CONSIDER THAT FOR TIMING OF > > EVENT. YES SHANI BEING PLACED IN LIBRA HAS MULTIPLICATION FACTOR > OF > > 1.4 AND GURU IN CAPRICORN HAS MULTIPLCATION FACTOR OF 0.8. BUT > > AGAIN TO TIME AN EVENT I AM EMPHASISING THAT YOU DO NOT NEED THE > > SIGN PLACEMENT BUT INSTEAD YOU NEED THE FINAL POINTS IN THE > > WORKSHEET. THAT IS ENOUGH TO TIME THE EVENT. > > > > > > MAYBE YOU HAVE NOT COME ACROSS A SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT USE THE > SAME > > PRINCIPLES TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET THE WAY YOU USE IT. SO > > YOU MAY FIND THIS DIFFERENT OR I CAN EVEN SAY SHOCKING. YOU DO NOT > > NEED THE SIGN PLACEMENT TO JUDGE THE STRENGTH, ASHTAKAVARGA > STRENGTH > > IS WHATS NEEDED. > > > > > > PEOPLE USING SIGN PLACEMENTS MAY INVARIABLY COME TO DIFFERENT > > CONCULUSIONS JUST AS IN THE CASE THAT YOU AND LAKSHAMI CAME TO. > ONE > > SAYS GURU IS STRONGER AND OTHER SAYS SHANI IS STRONGER. WITH > > ASHTAKVARGA ITS ALL SHOWN BY NUMBERS AND THERE WILL NOT BE ANY > > ANOMOLY. ALL WILL COME TO THE SAME CONCULUSION. > > > > > > EITHER I AM NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OR YOU ARE > > NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM SAYING. > > > > > > AS PER KAS ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN > THEIR > > NEECHA STHAN AS 3 PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET > IS > > WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3 > > OTHER HOUSES STRONG AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM > > STRONG. SO OVERALL ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND > > BECOME MORE THAN 12. > > > > > > IF PLANETS HAVE > 5 BINDUS THEN THE WILL SEND MALEFIC DRISTI. > > GURU HAS 56 BINDUS AND GENERALLY IF U DIVIDED THAT BY 12 EACH HOUSE > > GETS APPROX 5 BINDUS. SO MOSTLY GURU HAS > 4 BINDUS IN CHART. SO > > SUCH GURU WILL MAKE 1 HOUSE STRONG HOWEVER IT WILL REDUCE 3 > HOUSES. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > My answers in CAPS. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > Even by your method of assessing strength from Rasi placement, > > Saturn is stronger is it not? > > > > > > ASH : PLEASE REFER TO THE POST GIVEN BELOW. I HAD WRITTEN A POST > > JUST AFTER AND HAVE SAID THAT IT WAS A TYPO. GURU HAS 11 POINTS > AND > > SHANI HAS 10. YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE WORKSHEET I HAD GIVEN. > > BOTH OF THEM ARE MALEFIC FOR 7TH HOUSE MATTERS. BOTH JU AND SA ON > > THEIR OWN CANNOT SAY GIVE MARRIAGE A 7TH HOUSE MATTER IN THEIR > ANTAR. > > > > > > vedic astrology/message/44680 > > > > > > The original thread had nothing to do with timing of events which > > you are reverting time and again. > > > > > > ASH : AGREED. BUT YOU DID USE ASHTAKVARG AND I AM GIVING MY VIEW > > POINT BASED ON ASHTAKAVARGA ON THE BAL OF GURU AND SHANI FOR 7TH > > HOUSE AND NOT ONLY 7TH HOUSE BUT FOR ALL HOUSE. I HAVE ALSO GONE > > AHEAD AND MADE A PREDICTION ON MARRIAGE AND HOW GURU WILL ACT AND > > SHANI TOO AS A PART OF MY ANALYSIS. I BELEIVE THE PROOF OF THE > > PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING THAT IS WHY I MADE A PREDICTION ON > MARRIAGE > > SO THAT ITS JUST NOT THEORY BUT ITS APPLICATION. NOW I DO NOT KNOW > > HOW MUCH OF WHAT I HAVE PREDICTED IS CORRECT OR WRONG. BUT IN MY > > OPINION THE WORKSHEET I HAVE GIVEN HAS CONSIDERED ALL FACTORS THAT > > IS NECESSARY AS A TOOL TO TIME EVENTS. > > > > > > Since, as I had said earlier, the method you are using is based > on > > Ashtakavarga being used to derive strength of planets my comments > on > > your arguments would not be fair. > > > > > > ASH : ANY WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT IT OR USING ANY TOOL GIVEN BY THE > > MAHARISHIS AS PER SO MANY TEXTS AND BY MANY AUTHORS THE END RESULT > > SHOULD COME OUT TO BE SAME. > > > > > > I have all along been illustrating what is the position per Vedic > > Astrology. I have already given the reasons why Saturn is with > > strength. > > > > > > ASH : I HAVE ALSO USED VEDIC ASTROLOGY. ASHTAKVARGA IS A > > WONDERFUL TOOL TO ASCERTAIN THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET WITHOUT ANY > > DOUBTS. ITS FINAL RESULTS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND IS CRYSTAL > > CLEAR. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > THANKING YOU, > > > > > > CHEERS !!! > > > > > > ASH > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > So when you said Shani is stronger then Guru you had meant for > 7th > > > house only ? Is my understanding correct. > > > > > > As per the worksheet both Shani and Guru are weak for 7th house > > for > > > Ramesh. Shani has 11 points and Guru has 10. As per the > > worksheet > > > any planet having less than 12 is weak for the house. 12 is > > neutral > > > and greater than 12 is benefic. Now if you were to get down to > > nitty > > > gritty then I would say that Guru is stronger than Shani by 1 > > point. > > > > > > Guru is in namvasa of Aries and hence samdharmi to Mars and mars > > is > > > not condusive to 7th house matters being 6th lord. Shani is in > > libra > > > who is Lord of 12th house and primary upchaya for 7th house. > > Venus > > > and Shani are natural samdharmi. > > > > > > Both Sa and Ju are not condusive for timing of events for 7th > > house. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > > <boxdel> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > I was referring to your statement that verses not found in any > > > book. > > > > The reason that this is not clear to you is perhaps we are > > > wandering > > > > from original thread. For example you are talking about Guru > > being > > > > stronger for 10th house where as if I remember right, the > thread > > > started > > > > about Jupiter being strong for 7th house as per Lakshmi's > > > assessment. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > The fact still remains. The BAV scheme given by Parasara is > > > different > > > > > from Varharamira. This is one point and this is factual. > One > > of > > > them > > > > > is corrupt. I am saying the scheme Parasara has given has > > become > > > > > corrupt over time. The scheme Varharmira has given has been > > > preserved > > > > > in time. The two schemes cannot be different. > > > > > > > > > > I am not clear to which point you are alluding when you say > > that > > > my > > > > > information about Parasara and Varharmira is not factual. > The > > > BAV > > > > > scheme given by Parasara is different from Varharamira. This > > was > > > > > visible in Ramesh's chart when you said using parasarsa BAV > > > scheme > > > > > when 7th bhava got 19 bindus and using Varharmiras BAV scheme > > it > > > comes > > > > > to 20. I am not going into other books. The point that I am > > > > > emphasising is that BAV scheme given by Parasara or > Varharmira > > or > > > any > > > > > other maharishi cannot be different. > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakvarga has been commented on by many maharishis as you > > have > > > given > > > > > but the system of timing of events using Ashtakavarga is not > > > given > > > > > which I beleive was a part of Vedic Astrology was saved with > > some > > > > > families and not known to the world. > > > > > > > > > > About the part with which the discussion started is what I > > agree > > > with > > > > > you. There is a part of what Noname is also saying that I > > agree > > > with > > > > > however I beleive that Guru spoils the house its placed in > due > > to > > > its > > > > > aspect on primary significator houses. By saying Spoilt I > > mean > > > it > > > > > will not give the result in his antra. Also Guru is > > generally > > > with > > > > > more than 5 bindus. Rarely its with < 4 bindus. The more > > > powerful > > > > > Guru is the more damage it will do by its aspect. For Libra > > > lagna and > > > > > Cancer lagna Guru is 6th lord and will be very malefic. > > > > > > > > > > In the chart given by No Names grand father also he commented > > > that his > > > > > grand father has Guru in lagna who is powerful and he took > > > sansaya > > > > > after early widohood. Again here a powerful guru is showing > > its > > > > > malefic aspect on 7th house. Again guru in lagna made no > > names > > > father > > > > > a famous and person as he was known for his knowledge on > > > samaveda. > > > > > Noname has not commented on the effect it had on 9th and 5th > > > house but > > > > > if his guru is very powerful. I am also not aware what the > > lagna > > > is > > > > > but this can be the sign of a powerful guru in lagna. > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > It is good that you at least agree that "GURU ALWAYS > > ASPECTS > > > 5TH > > > > > HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND ITS A PRIMARY > > > SIGNIFICATOR > > > > > HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT GIVE RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS > > PLACED IN > > > > > GENERALLY." > > > > > This is the point from which the original discussions > > started. > > > > > > > > > > For your information much detailed interpretation of > events > > > > > (Beyond what is explained in BPHS,a although based on the > > > > > principles therein) by Ashtakavarga is available in > > > Phaladeepika, > > > > > Jataka Parijata, Jatakadesh Marg and umpteen other > > > astrological > > > > > texts. So your information about only Parashara and > Varaha > > > Mihira > > > > > is not factual. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > >> > > > > >> My answers in CAPS. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Dear Ash, > > > > >> Ashtakavarga system is based on Bindus allotted to > > > particular > > > > >> houses for each of the planet with respect to its > > > position > > > > >> from the planet whose Ashtakavarga is being drawn. > > > > >> > > > > >> ASH : YES AGREED. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> The system you are using is based on considering the > > > > >> strengths of planets and the Bhavas too. This is the > > > system > > > > >> generally referred as Parashari or more precisely > > Hora > > > system > > > > >> which also encompasses the Ashtakavarga system. > > > > >> > > > > >> ASH : ASHTAKVARGA IS A PART AND PARCLE OF VEDIC > > > ASTROLOGY AND > > > > >> THAT IS WHAT I HAVE ALSO SAID. I HAVE SAID THAT THE > > > SYSTEM > > > > >> TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT GIVEN IN TEXTS AVAILABLE > > TODAY. > > > REST > > > > >> CLARIFICAITON BELOW. > > > > >> > > > > >> Ashtakavarga is primarily used to find out effects > > from > > > > >> Transit of planets and longevity as made clear in > > > > >> conversat/i/on/ /between Maitreya and sage Parashara > > in > > > BPHS. > > > > >> Ashtakavarga system is clearly defined in that text. > > > > >> > > > > >> ASH : THIS IS WHAT THE MISCONCEPTION IS. BASED ON > > THE > > > TEXTS > > > > >> AVAILABLE TODAY. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT > ASHTAKVARG > > IS > > > USED > > > > >> ONLY FOR FINDING OUT TRANSIT. IS THAT WHY PARASARA > > HAS > > > SAID > > > > >> THAT TO USE ASHTAKAVARGA FOR INTELLECUTAL PYGMIES OF > > > KALIYUGA > > > > >> ? I DO NOT THINK SO SIR. THE SYSTEM OF ASHTAKVARGA > > IS > > > VERY > > > > >> DETAILED AND KAS AND VERSES OF ASHTAKAVARGA HAVE > BEEN > > > BROUGHT > > > > >> FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH ARE NOT FOUND IN ANY BOOK > > > TODAY. > > > > >> IF YOU CLAIM THAT BHPS IS COMPLETE AND THAT ALL THAT > > IS > > > > >> AVAILABLE ABOUT ASHTAKVARGA IS FOUND AND CODED AND > > THERE > > > IS > > > > >> NO CORRUPTION THEN I WILL NOT INDULGE YOU ANY > > FURTHER. > > > > >> > > > > >> No doubt the system can be adopted to various other > > > > >> predictions, as it indicates influences on various > > > bhavas. > > > > >> Its various uses have been well documented in > > numerous > > > texts > > > > >> besides BPHS and the very short description of > > > Varahamihira. > > > > >> The assumption that its use is not mentioned for > > > different > > > > >> uses in any other text but the two you mentioned is > > not > > > > >> factually correct. > > > > >> > > > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS USING ASHTAKVARGA IS > > NOT > > > > >> GIVEN CLEARLY IS IN ANY TEXTS. THAT IS WHAT I AM > > > SAYING. > > > > >> > > > > >> Krushna has developed different parameters and as > > long > > > as the > > > > >> system delivers results there should be no issue > with > > > that. > > > > >> > > > > >> ASH : HERE I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT KRUSHNAJI HAS NOT > > > > >> DEVELOPED DIFFERENT PARAMETERS AND THIS SYSTEM. HE > > HAD > > > > >> BROUGHT IT FORWARD. THIS SYSTEM WAS KEPT IN FAMILY > > OF > > > HIS > > > > >> GURU AND THAT WAS TRANSMITTED FROM FATHER TO SON. > > > KRUSHNAJI > > > > >> WANTED THIS SYSTEM TO REMAIN IN THIS WORLD. THIS > > SYSTEM > > > MUST > > > > >> HAVE BEEN IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE FOR CENTURIES. IF ONE > > > > >> UNDERSTANDS THIS SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS MAYBE WHAT > AND > > > WHY I > > > > >> AM INDULDING YOU IN THIS THREAD WILL BECOME CLEAR. > > > > >> > > > > >> It is easy to say that Parashara and Varahamihira's > > > texts > > > > >> are corrupted, and they could be. But that does not > > prove > > > > >> that the bindus used are wrong especially as most of > > > other > > > > >> parameters that you mention are drawn from these > very > > > texts. > > > > >> > > > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING > > ASHTAKAVARGA > > > IS > > > > >> NOT DIFFERENT FROM VEDIC ASTROLOGY. INFACT VEDIC > > > ASTROLOGY > > > > >> IS MADE CLEAR WITH THE PROPER USE OF ASHTAKAVARGA > AND > > > KAS. I > > > > >> DO NOT THINK PARASARA LIGHTLY MENTIONED THE USE OF > > > > >> ASHTAKAVARGA FOR US PEOPLE IN KALI YUGA. A LOT OF > > > > >> ASHTAKVARGA AND SANSKRIT SHLOKAS HAVE BEEN LOST. > > THIS IS > > > > >> WHAT I AM SAYING OR KEPT WITH FAMILES TILL SOMEONE > > LIKE > > > > >> KRUSHNAJI COMES ALONG AND BRINGS SUCH TECHNIQUES > > > FORWARD. > > > > >> ITS A BIG CREDIT TO KRUSHNAJI FOR BRINGING FORWARD > > THIS > > > > >> SYSTEM WITH HAS MADE TIMING OF EVENTS SO EASY. > > > > >> > > > > >> It is well known that Varaha Mihira was influenced > by > > > Greek > > > > >> astrologers and has adopted some of their methods, > so > > the > > > > >> bindus that he attributes could also have come from > > them. > > > > >> > > > > >> ASH : ONE THING. BAV IS BAV AND BASIC SCHEME > SHOUL.D > > BE > > > > >> SAME. ONLY IN BAV OF MOON AND VENUS THERE IS A > > > DIFFERENCE. > > > > >> PARASARA AND VARHARMIRA CANNOT HAVE DIFFERENT > > OPINIONS. > > > > >> EITHER PARASARA'S SCHEME IS CORRUPT OR > > VARHARMIRAS'S. > > > AT THE > > > > >> END OF THE DAY BOTH MUST MATCH. SO ITS INFACT QUITE > > > EASY TO > > > > >> SAY THAT EITHER PARSARAS OR VARHARMIRAS BAV IS > > CORRPUT. > > > I AM > > > > >> CONFIDENT THAT VARHRMAIRAS HAS REMAINED IN TACT OVER > > THE > > > > >> CENTURIES AND PARASARAS BAV SCHME IS CORRPUT. IN > ANY > > > CASE I > > > > >> WILL GO BY WHAT KRUSHNAJI HAS TAUGHT ME AS THIS > > SYSTEM > > > WAS > > > > >> KEPT IN HIS GURUS FAMILY AND HE HAS USED THAT FOR > > DECADES > > > > >> WITH CORRECT PREDICTIONS. SO ITS TIME TESTED BY HIS > > > GURUS > > > > >> LINEAGE. I AM IN NO POSITION TO MAKE ANY JUDGEMENT > > BUT > > > CAN > > > > >> SAY THAT I AM USNIG VARHARMIRAS SCHEME. > > > > >> > > > > >> Since you give equal importance to Navamsha and Rasi > > > whereas > > > > >> I go by the old time system of planetary strength > > being > > > > >> derived from Navamsha, it might not be possible for > > you > > > to > > > > >> follow my meaning and reasons behind attributing more > > > > >> strength to Saturn over Jupiter. > > > > >> > > > > >> ASH : I AM FINDING STRENGTH USING ASHTAKVARGA BUT > FOR > > > EACH > > > > >> PLANET AND FOR EACH HOUSE. YOU ARE ALSO TRYING TO > > FIND > > > THE > > > > >> STRENGH BUT I AM NOT CLEAR WHEN YOU SAY SHANI IS > > STRONGER > > > > >> THAN GURU BUT FOR WHAT ? IS IT FOR EVENT OR ALL 12 > > > HOUSES ? > > > > >> JUST SAYING STRONGER IS VERY GENERAL. IF I WERE TO > > ASK > > > YOU > > > > >> IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH HOUSE OR 10TH > > HOUSE. > > > > >> THIS IS HOW I AM SEETNG THINGS. AS PER THE WORKSHEET > > > > >> STRENGTH GURU IS FAR BETTER FOR 10TH HOUSE AS > > COMPARED TO > > > > >> SHANI HOWEVER SHANI IS FAR STRONGER THAN GURU FOR > 4TH > > > HOUSE > > > > >> MATTERS. > > > > >> > > > > >> The question of strength of the two planets was > > raised by > > > > >> Lakshmi and I was responding to that. I so far as > > > influence > > > > >> over all 12 Rasis comment is concerned, Vedic > > astrology > > > does > > > > >> think that planets have influence over all Bhavas > and > > > other > > > > >> planets and the way the results would manifest > depend > > on > > > > >> their mutual relation. > > > > >> > > > > >> ASH : EXACTLY. HERE IN LIES THE ESSENCE OF WHAT I > > WAS > > > SAYING > > > > >> OR TRYING TO SAY FOR SO LONG. THE BEAUTY OF IS THAT > > SAV > > > > >> ALREADY TAKES CARE OF MUTUAL RELATIONS SO IT BECOMES > > > > >> IMPERATIVE THAT BAV IS ACCURATE AS SAV AS U KNOW IS > > > DERIVED > > > > >> FROM BAV. THAT WAS MY COMMENT ON COMPOUNDING OF > > ERRORS. > > > > >> THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU SAY THAT SHANI IS STRONGER THAN > > GURU > > > > >> CONFUSES ME BECAUSE YES FOR 4TH HOUSE SHANI IS > > STRONGER > > > THAN > > > > >> GURU BUT NOT FOR 10TH HOUSE. HERE I AM BEING VERY > > > SPECIFIC. > > > > >> SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOUR COMMENT ON SHANI BEING > > > STRONGER > > > > >> THAN GURU WAS CONSIDERING ALL 12 HOUSES AND THE > MUTUAL > > > > >> PLACMENT FOR ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT TO EACH > > OTHER ? > > > IF SO > > > > >> THEN I AM VERY SURE THAT YOU WILL COME TO THE SAME > > > CONCLUSION > > > > >> USING WHATEVER WAY YOU USE TO FIND THE STRENGH OF > > SHANI > > > AND > > > > >> GURU I.E NAVAMSA, D CHARTS OR YOGAS ETC WITH WHAT I > > HAVE > > > > >> SHOWN IN THE WORKSHEET. THEN IF YOU COMPARE SHANI > > AND > > > GURU > > > > >> FOR EACH HOUSE WE WILL HAVE A MORE STRONGER BASIS FOR > > > > >> COMPARISION. BUT STILL JUST USING THE WORD STRONGER > > I > > > AM NOT > > > > >> CLEAR OR AM NOT FOLLOWING. THE QUETSIONS THAT COMES > > TO > > > MY > > > > >> MIND .. STRONGER FOR WHAT OR WHICH HOUSE OR WHICH > > > EVENT ? > > > > >> > > > > >> About not considering Navamsha strength, I am not > > able to > > > > >> follow what you are saying. On the one hand you say > > that > > > > >> these being equal you do not consider Navamsha in > > > worksheet > > > > >> and that you only use Navamsha to find samdharmi and > > on > > > the > > > > >> other hand you say that my contention is not > correct/. > > > > >> / > > > > >> > > > > >> ASH : RASI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL STATUS AS PER THE > > > TEACHINGS > > > > >> OF KAS. NAVAMSA IS DERIVED FROM RASI. FOR THE > > STRENGH > > > AND > > > > >> WORKSHEET ONLY RASI IS NEEDED. IF IN CASE OF DOUBT > > YOU > > > CAN > > > > >> GO INTO D-CHARTS AND FIND OUT FROM THAT. I HAVE > > > DEMONTRATED > > > > >> WITH AN EXAMPLE OF RAMESH'S MARRIAGE. I WOULD HOPE > > THAT > > > > >> LAKSHMI WOULD COMMENT ON THIS PART. I HAVE NOT SAID > > > THAT YOU > > > > >> ARE NOT CORRECT. YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND THE > STRENGTH > > > ALSO > > > > >> FROM NAVAMSA. AS PER KAS I FIND THE STRENGTH FROM > > > WORKSHEET > > > > >> WHICH IS FROM RASHI. FOR D-CHARTS I CAST WORKSHEET > > BUT > > > ONLY > > > > >> PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE. WE DO NOT CONSIDER > > ASPECTS > > > > >> PART. SO ONLY TOP PORTION OF WORKSHEET IS USED. > WE > > > BOTH > > > > >> ARE FINDING STRENGTH AND I AM USING AV FROM RASI AND > > YOU > > > ARE > > > > >> PROBABLY USING RASI/NAVAMSA/D CHARTS ETC AND SIGN > > > PLACEMENT > > > > >> TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH. > > > > >> > > > > >> Again you are talking about timing of events and the > > > original > > > > >> thread is about Guru's capacity to harm the house > > > occupied > > > > >> by it/./ > > > > >> > > > > >> ASH : FOR ME THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF QUESTION. AS > PER > > > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM PLANETS THAT ASPECT > > PRIMARY > > > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES I.E. 8TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS, > > 5TH > > > FROM > > > > >> HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND HOUSE UNDER FOCUS FOR EXAMPLE > > FOR > > > > >> READERS IF YOU ARE TIMING MARRIAGE THEN 2ND, 7TH AND > > > 11TH AND > > > > >> IF ANY PLANET HAS ASPECT ON THESE HOUSES THEN THEY > > WILL > > > NOT > > > > >> GIVE RESULT IN THEIR ANTRA BUT THEIR SAMDHARMI WILL > > GIVE > > > > >> RESULT AND THE EXCEPTION IS THAT IF THE PLANET IS > > LORD OF > > > > >> 10TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS OR 6TH THEN IT WILL GIVE. > > > > >> > > > > >> GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS > > PLACED > > > IN > > > > >> AND ITS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE SO GURU WILL > NOT > > > GIVE > > > > >> RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN GENERALLY. ONLY > > > EXCEPTION > > > > >> IS THAT IF GURU IS IN PISCES SO SUCH A GURU WILL > GIVE > > THE > > > > >> RESULT OF TIMING OF EVENT. SIMILARLY FOR MARS. I > > THINK > > > ALSO > > > > >> SOMETHING SIMILAR IS SAID FOR MARS AS PER VEDIC > > TEXTS. > > > MARS > > > > >> ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND > > 8TH > > > HOUSE > > > > >> SO AS PER VEDIC TEXTS ITS ALSO SAID THAT MARS SPOILS > > THE > > > > >> HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. FOR SHANI IT DOES NOT ASPECT > > ANY > > > OF THE > > > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES WHEREEVER ITS PLACED SO ITS NOT > > SAID > > > TO > > > > >> SPOIL THE HOUSE AND WILL DELIVER THE RESULT IF IT > HAS > > > POWER > > > > >> AS PER WORKSHEET. SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN NOTED IN > TEXTS > > AS > > > JU > > > > >> SPOILS THE HOUSE IT IS PLACED IN AND SHANI DOES > NOT. > > > MARS > > > > >> ALSO CAN BE SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE IT IS IN HOWEVER > > THE > > > > >> EXCEPTIONS FOR ALL IS IF THE SAME PLANET ALSO RULES > > 10TH > > > AND > > > > >> 6TH FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN IT WILL GIVE THE > > > RESULT. > > > > >> THIS CAN BE CHECKED AND I AM SURE IT WILL VALIDATE > > WITH > > > YOUR > > > > >> EXCEPTIONS. > > > > >> > > > > >> SO I AM NOT TAKING PART IN THE DISCUSSION AS FOR ME > > > > >> PERSONALLY THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCUSS. THE BASICS > > OF > > > SUCH > > > > >> THINGS ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR AND CONSIDERED BY THE RULES > > OF > > > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAVARGA SYSTEM. I AM VERY GLAD HOWEVER > > TO > > > SEE > > > > >> THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THIS TOPIC. > > > > >> > > > > >> ANOTHER THING, GURU IS A HYOCRATIC PLANET. WHENEVER > > ONE > > > > >> TRIES TO POTRAY GURU AS BAD THERE WILL BE > > RESISTANCE. > > > THIS > > > > >> IS THE POWER OF GURU. I AM SITTING BACK AND READING > > WITH > > > > >> INTEREST AND SEEING THE MAYA GURU CREATES. FUNNY > ITS > > > EASIER > > > > >> TO BLAME SHANI FOR THINGS AND POTRAY IT AS BAD BUT > > > INFACT ITS > > > > >> SHANI WHO IS THE PLANET OF TRUTH. > > > > >> > > > > >> SUCH THIGNS ARE HARD FOR PEOPLE TO DIGEST AND YOU > ARE > > > GETTING > > > > >> SO MUCH OF EXPLAINING TO DO. THIS ITSELF PROVES MY > > > POINT AND > > > > >> YOUR POINT ALSO. > > > > >> > > > > >> Anyway let us await Lakshmi's comment about your > > > > >> observation on Mercury Antar, though this is not > part > > of > > > the > > > > >> original discussions. > > > > >> > > > > >> ASH : YES, IT WILL BE NICE IF LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON > > THE > > > > >> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH IF IT HAPPENED IN MERCURY ANTRA > AS > > PER > > > > >> KAY. IF THE DATE IS GIVEN IT WILL BE BETTER. THIS > > WILL > > > > >> PROVE THE POWER OF THE PLANET AS PER WORKSHEET TO > > > DELIVER THE > > > > >> RESULTS AFTER FINDING OUT THE DELAY FROM RASHI AND > > > NAVAMSA AS > > > > >> BOTH HAVE SIMILAR STATUS AS PER KAS. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> THANK YOU FOR THIS DICUSSION, > > > > >> > > > > >> CHEERS !!! > > > > >> > > > > >> ASH > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Regards, > > > > >> Chandrashekhar. > > > > >> > > > > >> Ash wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > >>> My answers in CAPS below. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Dear Ash, > > > > >>> I forgot that you are using Krushna's > > Ashtakavarga > > > > >>> system. In that case you must be using Krushna's > > > > >>> Ayanamsha. The system you are using is a > > > combination of > > > > >>> Ashtakavarga and traditional Graha Bhava Bala > > > system. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> ASH : THE SYSTEM I USE IS KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARG > > AND > > > ITS > > > > >>> PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY. I DONT KNOW WHAT U > > MEAN BY > > > > >>> GRAHA BHAVA BALA SYSTEM. IN SHORT WE CAN > > COMPUTE > > > THE > > > > >>> STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY > HOUSE > > AND > > > > >>> ALSO FOR ALL 16 D CHARTS. SO ITS VEDIC > > ASTROLOGY > > > ONLY > > > > >>> AND NOT DIFFERENT. AS PER KAS WE DO NOT TALK > IN > > > GENERAL > > > > >>> TERMS AS SHANI IS STRONG OR WEAK BUT WE CAN GO > > INTO > > > > >>> DETAILS AS PER POINTS AND FIND OUT HOW A PLANET > > > WILL ACT > > > > >>> FOR EACH HOUSE. IN MOST CASES PLANETS DO NOT > > ACT > > > BAD > > > > >>> FOR ALL HOUSES. IN SHANI ANTRA AS PER RAMESH'S > > > CHART IT > > > > >>> WILL BE GOOD FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AS COMPARED > > TO > > > GURU'S > > > > >>> ANTRA FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AT THE SAME TIME > FOR > > > 10TH > > > > >>> HOUSE MATTESR GURU WILL BE MUCH STRONGER THAN > > SHANI > > > AS > > > > >>> YOU CAN SEE AS PER POINTS. ABOUT NAVAMSA I > SHALL > > > > >>> COMMENT BELOW. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> There is no harm in using it as long as results > > come > > > > >>> true. However it is not a different > Ashtakavarga > > > system > > > > >>> per se. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> ASH : ASHTAKVARG IS ASHTAKVARG AND HOW TO USE > IT > > IS > > > NOT > > > > >>> GIVEN CLEARLY IN ANY TEXTS. PEOPLE ARE UNDER > THE > > > > >>> IMPRESSION BASED ON CURRENT TEXTS THAT ITS USED > > TO > > > TIME > > > > >>> DEATH OR ITS USE IS LIMITED TO TRANSITS WHICH > IS > > NOT > > > > >>> CORRECT. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT I TRY TO > SAY > > AND > > > > >>> EXPLAIN WHEN PEOPLE COMMENT ON ASHTAKVARGA AND > > ITS > > > USED > > > > >>> ONLY IN TRANSITS. THE WHOLE SYSTEM IN WHICH > ITS > > > USED TO > > > > >>> TIME EVENTS IS NOT WRITTEN IN ANY BOOK OR > > CLASSICS > > > > >>> DESPITE MANY MAHARISHIS LIKE PARASARA, > > VARHARAMIRA > > > ETC > > > > >>> HAVE ALL MENTIONED ASHTAKVARGA IN THEIR TEXTS. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I was talking about a different Ashtakavarga > > system > > > that > > > > >>> you had suggested exists. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> ASH : I HAVE NOT SUGGESTED ANYTHING OF THAT > > KIND. > > > > >>> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM IS A SYSTEM IN > WHICH > > WE > > > USE > > > > >>> ASHTAKVARGA TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET > > FOR > > > EACH > > > > >>> HOUSE. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY SYSTEM OUT > > THERE > > > > >>> THAT DOES THAT. RESULTS CAN BE SEEN AT A > > GLANCE. > > > FOR > > > > >>> EXAMPLE RAMESHS MARRIAGE MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED > > DURING > > > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA. MERCURY HAS THE HIGHEST > STRENGTH > > IN > > > THE > > > > >>> CHART FOR 7TH HOUSE. AND IS LOD OR 10TH LORD > > FROM > > > 7TH > > > > >>> HOUSE. MAHADAHSA CAN BE THAT OF SHANI. SHANI > IS > > > > >>> SAMDHARMI TO NAKTURAL KARAK VENUS OF MARRIAGE. > > SO > > > SHANI > > > > >>> MD/ MERCURY AD CAN GIVE MARRIAGE. THERE ARE 2 > > > ZEROES IN > > > > >>> BAV ONE DUE TO VENUS AND OTHER DUE TO MARS AND > > > MERCURY > > > > >>> SO RESULT WILL BE IN LAST SECTOR OF MERCURY > > ANTRA. > > > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA RUNS IN SHANI MD RUNS FROM > 1983/11 > > > THRU > > > > >>> 1986/JULY. 3RD SECTOR STARTS 1985/07 THRU > > > 1986/07. I > > > > >>> AM NOT GOING FURTHER. IF THIS IS IN THE BALL > > PARK > > > ITS > > > > >>> GOOD AND ONE CAN NARROW IT DOWN FURTHER WITH > SUNS > > > > >>> TRANSIT OVER STRONG SIGNIFICATORS FOR 7TH HOUSE > > AS > > > PER > > > > >>> THE WORKSHEET POINTS. MAYBE LAKSHMI CAN VERIFY > > > WHEN HER > > > > >>> MARRIAGE TOOK PLACE WITH RAMESH. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Varahamihira does have a slightly different > bindu > > > > >>> placement no doubt yet it is only different by > > way > > > of > > > > >>> allowing Lagna to have one more bindu of > > influence > > > for > > > > >>> some planet's Ashtakavarga. So it might not > mean > > > that > > > > >>> other planet is getting a bindu less. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> ASH : THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT > > SCHEME > > > THAT > > > > >>> IS IN TEXTS TODAY AVAILABLE GIVEN AS PER > > PARASARA > > > AND > > > > >>> WHATS GIVEN OR PRESERVED FROM VARHARAMIRA. > BOTH > > ARE > > > > >>> GREAT SAGES AND THEIR BAV SCHEMES MUST BE SAME. > > > > >>> PARASARAS HAS BEEN CORRPUT OVER TIME. THE > > > DIFFERENCES > > > > >>> IN IN BAV FOR MOONS PLACMENT FROM MOON AND GURU > > AND > > > > >>> VENUS FROM MARS. THIS HAS VERY DEEP MEANING > AND > > > SAYING > > > > >>> FOR EXAMPLE IF VENUS GETS POWER IF IN 4TH FROM > > MARS > > > AND > > > > >>> IF VENUS IS NOT GETTING POWER OR A BINDU IF IN > > 4TH > > > FROM > > > > >>> MARS HAS A BIG DIFFERENCE. THERE ARE ONLY 337 > > > POINTS > > > > >>> AND IT WOULD MEAN THAT IF AS IN THE CASE OF > > RAMESHES > > > > >>> CHART IF HIS 7TH BHAVA GETS 19TH IT MEANS THAT > > THAT > > > 1 > > > > >>> BINDU OF FROM THE POOL OF 337 HAS GONE TO SOME > > OTHER > > > > >>> HOUSE. IF A PLANET IS IN THAT HOUSE IT MAY GET > > 1 > > > BINDU > > > > >>> MORE STRENGTH AND IT MAY CHANGE THE ENTIRE > > CHART. > > > IF > > > > >>> THAT PLANET IS IN 4TH FROM A MALEFIC PLANET (BY > > > MALEFIC > > > > >>> I MEAN A PLANET WITH < 4 BINDUS EXCEPT MOON) > AND > > IF > > > THAT > > > > >>> PLANET WERE TO GET STRNGTH THEN THAT PLANET > > WOULD > > > BECOME > > > > >>> VERY STRONG FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT WOULD > > CHANGE > > > THE > > > > >>> ENTIRE COMPLEXION OF THE CHART. WITH ASKTAVARG > > WE > > > ARE > > > > >>> VERY PARTICULAR AND THIS IS NOT A TRIVIAL > > MATTER. 1 > > > > >>> BINDUS CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I said 19 Bindus as the chart sent by Dear > > Lakshmi > > > was > > > > >>> in that format. Varahamihira has exactly 8 > > shlokas > > > on > > > > >>> Ashtakavarga and his is not a different system. > > He > > > only > > > > >>> has a different opinion about which places are > > > > >>> influenced by Lagna in case of some of the > > planets. > > > > >>> Parashara has, on the other hand, exhaustively > > dealt > > > > >>> with Ashtakavarga. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> ASH : THIS IS NOT TRUE. BAV SCHEMES HAVE TO > > > MATCH. I > > > > >>> DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BY > SYSTEMS. > > THE > > > > >>> CORE AND BASIC OF ASHTAKVARG SYSTEM IS THE BAV > > > POINTS. > > > > >>> IF PARASARA IS SAYING THAT MOON IS NOT GIVING > > > STRENGTH > > > > >>> TO 9TH BHAVA WHEAREAS VARHARAMIRA IS SAYING IT > > > DOES. > > > > >>> THIS IS HUGE DIFFERECE OUT HERE. SIMILARLY > MOON > > IS > > > > >>> BENEFIC IN 2ND FROM GURU AND VARHARAMIRA IS > > SAYING > > > THAT > > > > >>> 1 BINDUS STRENGTH IS NOT GIVEN. THIS IS THE > > > BASIC. YOU > > > > >>> JUST CANNOT SAY THAT THE DIFFERENCE OF OPINION > IS > > > > >>> "ONLY". THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. IMAGINE A > > SYSTEM > > > THAT > > > > >>> IS USED ACCURATELY FOR TIMING OF EVENTS THE SAV > > > VALUES > > > > >>> FROM WHICH THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANEST AND FOR > > EACH > > > AND > > > > >>> EVERY HOUSE IS COMPUTED AND ITS BASED ON SAV > AND > > > SAV IS > > > > >>> BASED ON BAV. IN THE LEAST WHAT YOU ARE SAYING > > > MIGHT > > > > >>> SURMOUNT TO COMPOUNDING OF ERROR. ACTUALLY IF > > YOU > > > STUDY > > > > >>> HOW ONE COMES TO THE POINTS THAT I HAVE > > DISPLAYED > > > IN MY > > > > >>> PREVIOUS MAILS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHY > > I > > > AM SO > > > > >>> PICKY WITH THIS DISTRIBUTION OF BAV AND > STICKING > > TO > > > > >>> VARHARAMIRA. IF WE DIFFER ON THIS VIEW WE CAN > > > AGREE TO > > > > >>> DISAGREE. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I have already given the reason I think Saturn > is > > > > >>> stronger than Guru in reply to Lakshmi. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> ASH : YES, I DID READ YOUR INTERSTING COMMENT > > BUT I > > > WAS > > > > >>> NOT CLEAR ON WHAT YOU MEANT BY STRONGER. > > STRONGER > > > FOR > > > > >>> WHAT EVENTS ? DID U MEAN STRONGER FOR > DELIVERING > > > > >>> RESULTS OR ALL 12 HOUSES. CAN YOU BE MORE > > > SPECIFIC. > > > > >>> WHEN I GAVE THE POINTS I AM BEING VERY SPECIFIC > > AND > > > > >>> COMPARING GURU WITH SHANI FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. I > > AM > > > BEING > > > > >>> SPECIFIC IN SAYING THAT IN GURU ANTRA RAMESH > > WILL > > > HAVE > > > > >>> MORE AUTHORITY AS COMPARED TO SHANI. GURU IS > IN > > > UPCAHYA > > > > >>> FROM 10TH HOUSE AND WITH 5 BINDUS. SO ITS VERY > > > EAGER TO > > > > >>> GIVE 2ND AND 10TH HOUSE MATTERS. SHANI IS > EAGER > > TO > > > GIVE > > > > >>> RESULTS FOR 12TH, 4TH, 11TH, AND 3RD HOUSE IN > ITS > > > > >>> ANTRA. CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC. I DO NOT > > THINK > > > SHANI > > > > >>> IS BAD FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE AND NEITHER IS > > GURU > > > IN > > > > >>> HIS ANTRA. AGAIN I AM RESTRICTING THE RESULTS > > TO > > > THE > > > > >>> ANTRA. I THINK IF U ARE MORE SPECIFIC THEN WE > > > MIGHT BE > > > > >>> SAYING THE SAME THING BUT FROM A DIFFERENT VIEW > > > POINT. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> The reason it is not reflected in the table > > given > > > by you > > > > >>> is,as you have indicated Navamsha strength of > > > planets is > > > > >>> not considered in the system you are using. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> ASH : THIS IS INCORRECT. THE STRENGTH IS > > DERIVED > > > FROM > > > > >>> RASHI AND THE WORKSHEET POINTS ARE FROM RASHI > > ONLY. > > > > >>> NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS AS COMPARED TO RASHI. > > WE > > > USE > > > > >>> NAVAMSA FOR FINDING OUT THE SAMDHARMIS AND ALSO > > > DELAY. > > > > >>> ALL COMBINATIONS HAVE TO BE CHECKED FROM BOTH > > RASI > > > AND > > > > >>> NAVAMSA. BUT FOR FINDING OUT THE STRENGH OF > > PLANET > > > ITS > > > > >>> DONE FROM RASI. A WORKSHEET FOR EACH > DIVISIONAL > > > CHART > > > > >>> IS ALSO CASTED. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Using Krushna's Ayanamsha the Navamsha > placement > > of > > > > >>> planets could also change. If you apply the > > strength > > > > >>> from Navamsha as given in the chart provided by > > > Lakshmi, > > > > >>> you will see my view point. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> ASH : IT WILL NOT CHANGE THINGS. I CHECKED > AFTER > > > > >>> READING THIS COMMENT. IN BOTH CASES USING > > KRUSHNAS > > > > >>> AYANAMSA AND LAHIRI SHANI REMAINS IN LIBRA IN > > > NAVAMSA SO > > > > >>> ITS SAMDHARMI TO VENUS. IT WILL REPLACE VENUS > > FOR > > > THE > > > > >>> HOUSE THAT VENUS IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS. > > THE > > > > >>> POSITION OF MARS CHANGES IN LAGNA THOUGH. > MAYBE > > IF > > > U > > > > >>> SEE THINGS WITH MARS BEING IN 12TH INSTEAD OF > > 11TH > > > YOU > > > > >>> MAY SEE MY VIEW POINT. AGAIN I AM EMPHASISING > > ON > > > THE > > > > >>> FACT THAT STRENGTH OR THE WORKSHEET THAT I GAVE > > IS > > > > >>> COMPUTED FROM RASHI ONLY AND SAMDHARMIS IS > > COMPUTED > > > FROM > > > > >>> RASHI AND NAVAMSA. RASHI AND NAVAMSA HAVE > EQUAL > > > STATUS > > > > >>> AS PER KAS AND WE FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES FOR > > FINDING > > > > >>> DELAY. I HAVE DEMONSTRATED IN THIS MAIL > > REGARDING > > > > >>> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH WITH LAKSHMI. FOR THAT I > HAVE > > > > >>> COMPUTED DELAY FOR MARRIAGE USING 2 ZEROES, AND > > > SHANI > > > > >>> ASPECTING PRIMIARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES FROM > > RASHI > > > AND > > > > >>> THEIR LORDS IN NAVAMSA AND USING WORKSHEET > > STRENGTH > > > I > > > > >>> HAVE COMPUTED THE TIME FRAME. IT WILL BE > > > INTERSTING IF > > > > >>> LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON THE SAME. THERE IS A > > SLIGHT > > > > >>> DIFFERENCE IN THE WORKSHEET. SOME HOW IN HASTE > > MY > > > > >>> AYANAMSA CHANGE BUT IT WILL NOT MAKE A > > DIFFERENCE > > > FOR > > > > >>> MARRAIGE. HERE IS THE CORRECTED VERSION OF THE > > > > >>> WORKSHEET. MERCURY STILL HAS 18 POINTS FOR 7TH > > > HOUSE > > > > >>> AND MOSTLY ALL HOUSES. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> *Hse* *SAV Pt* *Su* > *Mo* > > *Ma* > > > *Me* *Ju* *Ve* *Sa* > > > > >>> *1* 25 17 20 12 > > 20 11 > > > 7 10 > > > > >>> *2* 23 9 16 14 > > 22 22 > > > 14 12 > > > > >>> *3* 31 16 15 12 > > 11 4 > > > 14 7 > > > > >>> *4* 26 11 17 7 > > 23 7 > > > 10 23 > > > > >>> *5* 32 12 23 9 > > 19 16 > > > 22 15 > > > > >>> *6* 32 18 16 18 > > 21 5 > > > 8 11 > > > > >>> *7* 20 10 14 9 > > 18 11 > > > 18 10 > > > > >>> *8* 19 22 12 9 > > 25 4 > > > 17 10 > > > > >>> *9* 28 8 12 14 > > 7 5 > > > 21 3 > > > > >>> *10* 34 17 13 7 > > 16 21 > > > 16 4 > > > > >>> *11* 38 16 15 15 > > 21 4 > > > 15 19 > > > > >>> *12* 29 10 14 11 > > 9 8 > > > 14 15 > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> THANKING YOU, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> CHEERS !!! > > > > >>> > > > > >>> ASH > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Regards, > > > > >>> Chandrashekhar. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Ash wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi, > > > > >>>> There is a difference between a house getting > > 20 > > > bindus > > > > >>>> and a house getting 19 bindus as you are > > aware. I > > > > >>>> agree both are weak with 20 bindus being a > > stronger > > > > >>>> than 19 bindus. At the same token if a bhave > > gets > > > 1 > > > > >>>> bindu more it means one other house is getting > > 1 > > > bindu > > > > >>>> less. > > > > >>>> It also means that some planet has made a > > > favourable > > > > >>>> yog w.r.t one house and not with another. Is > > it > > > not ? > > > > >>>> I use Krushnas Ashtakvarga system as you are > > also > > > aware. > > > > >>>> In that SAV is the base from that we derive the > > > > >>>> strength of each planet for each and every > > house > > > and > > > > >>>> also for each and every 16 divisional chart. > > When > > > > >>>> casting the worksheet the aspects are not > > > considered in > > > > >>>> the D charts only the basis strength. > > > > >>>> The BAV values given by Parasara in my opinion > > have > > > > >>>> become corrupt. The BAV distribution scheme by > > > > >>>> Varharamira is correct. The settings are also > > > given in > > > > >>>> JHL software where you tick off the check > boxes > > in > > > the > > > > >>>> lite version. If you use the option of > > > Varharamira you > > > > >>>> will get 20 bindus for 7th house. It would be > > > good to > > > > >>>> understand if you have intentionally used > > > Parasara's > > > > >>>> scheme of BAV or generally use Varharmiras > > > scheme ? > > > > >>>> To come to the final stength of each and every > > > planet > > > > >>>> for each house . > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Here is the final strength of planet for > > Ramesh's > > > chart. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> These are total strength of the planets and > > > derived by > > > > >>>> considering the following. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> 1) 4:10 > > > > >>>> 2) Addition of 5 points for LoD and LoE or > 10th > > > lord > > > > >>>> and 6th lord from house under consideration > > > > >>>> 3) Planets in 10th and 6th hosue from house > > under > > > > >>>> consideration with > 4 bindus. > > > > >>>> 4) Planets aspecting primary significator > house > > i.e > > > > >>>> Karak, phal and phalit sthans. > > > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspects on karak, phal and > > > phalit sthan > > > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspect on planets > > > > >>>> 6) Adjustment of 12th from house under focus > > > > >>>> 7) Adjustment of 6th lord. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> After meticulously considering all these > > factors we > > > > >>>> come to strength of each planet for each and > > every > > > > >>>> house. Like that we also compute strength for > > all > > > d > > > > >>>> charts but in that we only conider the > strength > > for > > > > >>>> karak, phal and phalit sthan for each and > every > > > house. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> You have said that Shani is stronger than > > Guru. > > > Here > > > > >>>> you can see both Shani and Guru at a glace on > > how > > > they > > > > >>>> will deliver their results in their respective > > > antar > > > > >>>> dasha. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> I do hear ya regarding the system not being > > > different > > > > >>>> from parasara. Actually parasara did give the > > BAV > > > > >>>> scheme but it has become corrupt over time. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Here Jupiter is in 10th from 10th house so its > > > > >>>> foritifying 10th house and also Guru is with 5 > > > bindus > > > > >>>> in 7th house and in multrikon so its very > eager > > to > > > give > > > > >>>> results for 10th house. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> If you see the worksheet you can see Ju is > > having > > > 22 > > > > >>>> points for 10th house and Shani has 7 points > > for > > > 10th > > > > >>>> house. There is a big difference in authority > > that > > > > >>>> Ramesh would have been bestowed in the antras > > of > > > Guru > > > > >>>> and Shani. > > > > >>>> At the same time if you see expenses v/s > income > > in > > > Guru > > > > >>>> and shani and compare the 11th v/s 12th points > > you > > > can > > > > >>>> see more expenses in shani compared to Guru > > antra. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> *House* *Signs* *SAV* > > *Su* *Mo* > > > *Ma* *Me* *Ju* > > > > >>>> *Ve* *Sa* > > > > >>>> 1 Gemini 23 16 > 19 > > 13 20 > > > 17 7 16 > > > > >>>> 2 Cancer 24 10 > 15 > > 20 23 > > > 23 14 16 > > > > >>>> 3 Leo 30 9 21 > > 9 19 > > > 11 11 13 > > > > >>>> 4 Virgo 26 7 22 > > 9 24 > > > 14 4 23 > > > > >>>> 5 Libra 33 8 23 > > 5 20 > > > 22 16 19 > > > > >>>> 6 Scorpio 32 16 > > 20 21 > > > 24 13 9 17 > > > > >>>> 7 Sagittarius 20 7 > > 19 5 > > > 25 17 12 8 > > > > >>>> 8 Capricorn 21 15 > > 19 9 > > > 24 9 12 12 > > > > >>>> 9 Aquarius 29 7 > > 17 13 > > > 11 14 22 9 > > > > >>>> 10 Pisces 29 13 > > 10 -2 17 > > > 22 9 7 > > > > >>>> 11 Aries 40 11 > 21 > > 10 26 > > > 14 10 19 > > > > >>>> 12 Taurus 30 5 > 21 > > 10 19 > > > 12 10 20 > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Thanks, > > > > >>>> Cheers !!! > > > > >>>> Ash > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Dear Ash, > > > > >>>> Even with 20 points the Bhava lacks > > strength, > > > is it > > > > >>>> not? Saturn there however extends > > protection. > > > By > > > > >>>> the way I am not aware of any Ashtakavarga > > > system > > > > >>>> which gives differential value of > > Bindus/Rekhas > > > > >>>> based on Lagna of a native or placement of > > a > > > planet > > > > >>>> in a Rasi, aspects received by it and > > > association > > > > >>>> with other planets. May I know to which > > system > > > you > > > > >>>> are referring to and the weightage for > these > > > > >>>> factors given in that system by increasing > > or > > > > >>>> reducing the Bindus/Rekhas. > > > > >>>> If you are talking about using other > > > parameters in > > > > >>>> association with Ashtakavarga then of > > course > > > that > > > > >>>> is a different matter and would not > > constitute > > > > >>>> different system than Parashara. > > > > >>>> Regards, > > > > >>>> Chandrashekhar. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> ashsam73 wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Pardon me for my intervention. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> I would like to comment on Ashtakavarga. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> 1) It seems that you have used Parasaras > > > scheme of > > > > >>>>> BAV. With > > > > >>>>> Varharamiras scheme you get 20 points in > > > Ramesh's > > > > >>>>> 7th house. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> 2) For nodes are we know are not > planets. > > > They > > > > >>>>> are used indirectly. > > > > >>>>> They are samdharmi to sign lord and > > nakshatra > > > > >>>>> lord. For natural > > > > >>>>> nature as you have said or quoted in > > numerious > > > > >>>>> posts Rahu is like > > > > >>>>> Shani and Ketu like Mars. Functionally > > they > > > will > > > > >>>>> be more like the > > > > >>>>> planet i.e. either sign lord or nak lord > > as > > > per > > > > >>>>> the points they > > > > >>>>> receive in their BAV. For example, if > > Rahu > > > is in > > > > >>>>> Gemini and nak of > > > > >>>>> punarvasu then it will represent Me and > > Ju. > > > If > > > > >>>>> say Ge is 3rd house > > > > >>>>> and in 3rd house Ju gets 5 bindus and Me > > gets > > > say > > > > >>>>> 6 bindus then Rahu > > > > >>>>> will act more like Mercury. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> 3) With regards to your comment on > > > Ashtakavarg not > > > > >>>>> using sign > > > > >>>>> placement is not entirely correct. If > > used > > > with a > > > > >>>>> proper system the > > > > >>>>> sign placement can give idea on quantum > of > > > result > > > > >>>>> and its not used to > > > > >>>>> find timing of result. For timing of > > result > > > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg, SAV and > > > > >>>>> total strength of planets derived from > SAV > > is > > > good > > > > >>>>> enough to time > > > > >>>>> results effectively. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Maybe knowledge of Ashtakvarg that is > > > available in > > > > >>>>> texts today is not > > > > >>>>> complete and may lead to confusion. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg system used is an effective > > tool in > > > > >>>>> timing of events. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> A couple of points on Ramesh's chart. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> 1) In Ramesh's chart there are 2 > > consecutive > > > > >>>>> zeroes one given by > > > > >>>>> Venus to 7th and one by Mars to 8th. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> 2) Jupiter antra will be very eager to > > bestow > > > > >>>>> authority to Ramesh and > > > > >>>>> also for acquisition of wealth. Between > > > 1997/04 > > > > >>>>> thru 1999/10 Ramesh > > > > >>>>> might have been given a role of > > > responsibility. > > > > >>>>> Also a good time to > > > > >>>>> make investments and accumulation of > > wealth. > > > > >>>>> Lakshami can verify > > > > >>>>> this antra. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Thanking you, > > > > >>>>> Cheers !!! > > > > >>>>> Ash > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> vedic astrology, > > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>> > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > >>>>> > I think in Ramesh's case Saturn is Lord > > of > > > the > > > > >>>>> 9th is it not? He > > > > >>>>> not > > > > >>>>> > only associates a Kendra Lord but is > > also > > > is in > > > > >>>>> kendra being a > > > > >>>>> trine > > > > >>>>> > lord. He is also Lord of Navamsha Lagna > > > > >>>>> aspecting Lagna, besides > > > > >>>>> being > > > > >>>>> > placed in a trikona. Jupiter on the > > other > > > hand > > > > >>>>> is Lord of 2nd and > > > > >>>>> 11th > > > > >>>>> > in Navamsha and in 3rd house. I would > > > certainly > > > > >>>>> treat Saturn as > > > > >>>>> more > > > > >>>>> > powerful than Jupiter, even if in Lagna > > > Jupiter > > > > >>>>> appears to be with > > > > >>>>> > greater strength. But there too he is > > only a > > > > >>>>> Kendra Lord in Kendra > > > > >>>>> > associating a trine lord. Since we are > > > talking > > > > >>>>> about 7th house > > > > >>>>> would it > > > > >>>>> > not be right to look at the Navamsha > > > strengths > > > > >>>>> of the planets, > > > > >>>>> before > > > > >>>>> > coming to conclusion about 7th house? > If > > we > > > look > > > > >>>>> at Ashtaka Varga > > > > >>>>> then > > > > >>>>> > SAV would rather prove my view point as > > it > > > shows > > > > >>>>> 7th house with 19 > > > > >>>>> > points. Personally I give more > weightage > > to > > > > >>>>> Natal chart read with > > > > >>>>> > Navamsha. the reason is Ashtakavarga do > > not > > > > >>>>> consider effects of > > > > >>>>> nodes , > > > > >>>>> > neither do they consider house > ownership > > or > > > Rasi > > > > >>>>> occupation > > > > >>>>> > weightage.Your opinion would be > > appreciated. > > > > >>>>> > Chandrashekhar. > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > Namaste Chandrasekar ji, > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in > > own > > > > >>>>> house/moolatrikona. > > > > >>>>> Please > > > > >>>>> > > look at the ashtakavarga & bala of > > > Saturn. Who > > > > >>>>> is more empowered > > > > >>>>> to > > > > >>>>> > > protect the house, based on both > > strength > > > and > > > > >>>>> functionality, > > > > >>>>> Jupiter > > > > >>>>> > > or Saturn? I request you to ponder on > > > this. > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > Regards, > > > > >>>>> > > Lakshmi > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* > wrote: > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > >>>>> > > If I may point out, in Javed's > > case > > > Guru > > > > >>>>> is in own house and > > > > >>>>> in > > > > >>>>> > > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts > > Guru. > > > The > > > > >>>>> dictum is Sthana > > > > >>>>> rakshati > > > > >>>>> > > Mandah. Guru's exception to house > > > damage > > > > >>>>> occurs when he is in > > > > >>>>> own > > > > >>>>> > > house. > > > > >>>>> > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> Om Gurave Namah > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> Namaste Pradeep ji, > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> I happen to know of individuals > > who > > > have > > > > >>>>> strong Guru in 4th > > > > >>>>> and > > > > >>>>> > >> 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has > > blessed > > > the > > > > >>>>> individual with > > > > >>>>> great > > > > >>>>> > >> knowledge, an intelligence that > > > borders > > > > >>>>> on genius and a rare > > > > >>>>> > >> inner harmony. That person, a > > devout > > > > >>>>> Muslim, is one of the > > > > >>>>> finest > > > > >>>>> > >> individuals I have ever come > > across, > > > and > > > > >>>>> he is very attached > > > > >>>>> to > > > > >>>>> > >> his family and mother and there > > are > > > no > > > > >>>>> problems what so ever > > > > >>>>> on > > > > >>>>> > >> the home front. This individual > > is > > > highly > > > > >>>>> esteemed in his > > > > >>>>> work > > > > >>>>> > >> environment and has all the > > comforts > > > one > > > > >>>>> could desire. > > > > >>>>> Infact, > > > > >>>>> > >> Guru in 4th is supposed to cast > > > > >>>>> sukhargala on lagna, which is > > > > >>>>> > >> good for the general health & > > > happiness > > > > >>>>> of the person. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> The individual with Jupiter & > > Saturn > > > in > > > > >>>>> 7th (Dhanus) is my > > > > >>>>> own > > > > >>>>> > >> dear husband. We have been very > > > happily > > > > >>>>> married for nearly 20 > > > > >>>>> > >> years. My husband has prospered > > > > >>>>> remarkably after marriage. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> I am posting the charts here. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> I request that you also post the > > > charts > > > > >>>>> of the individuals to > > > > >>>>> > >> whom you were referring in your > > > post, for > > > > >>>>> our edification and > > > > >>>>> > >> discussion. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> Regards, > > > > >>>>> > >> Lakshmi > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> */vijayadas_pradeep > > > > >>>>> <vijayadas_pradeep>/* wrote: > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> I have been trying to test > the > > > > >>>>> principles taught by you > > > > >>>>> > >> related to > > > > >>>>> > >> guru in various bhavas. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> When in 3rd always some > > > difficulties > > > > >>>>> for siblings.Even > > > > >>>>> when > > > > >>>>> > >> in own > > > > >>>>> > >> sign and in 4th,problems for > > > mother > > > > >>>>> and at home front. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> When in 7th at marriage > > > front.When in > > > > >>>>> Lagna and not in > > > > >>>>> own > > > > >>>>> > >> sign some > > > > >>>>> > >> physical weakness and health > > > problems > > > > >>>>> in childhood. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> Thus Guru tests the > individual > > > > >>>>> thouroughly. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> Also sages have advised that > > > Guru is > > > > >>>>> not favourable while > > > > >>>>> > >> transiting > > > > >>>>> > >> kendra houses 1,4,and 10th > > from > > > > >>>>> moon.Only the 7th kendra > > > > >>>>> is > > > > >>>>> > >> beneficial.(Is there any > > reason > > > for > > > > >>>>> this?) Only > > > > >>>>> 2nd,5th,7th > > > > >>>>> > >> and 9th > > > > >>>>> > >> are favourable.11th being > > good > > > for > > > > >>>>> all planets in > > > > >>>>> general. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> Respect > > > > >>>>> > >> Pradeep > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> --- In > > > > >>>>> vedic astrology, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > >>>>> > >> <boxdel> > > > > >>>>> > >> wrote: > > > > >>>>> > >> > Dear Anuj, > > > > >>>>> > >> > I am glad you agree with > > me. > > > As you > > > > >>>>> rightly said in > > > > >>>>> your > > > > >>>>> > >> message > > > > >>>>> > >> to > > > > >>>>> > >> > Razdan,a the dictum is > > pretty > > > well > > > > >>>>> known to > > > > >>>>> astrologers. > > > > >>>>> > >> There are > > > > >>>>> > >> many > > > > >>>>> > >> > shlokas to that effects > and > > > charts > > > > >>>>> prove the veracity > > > > >>>>> of the > > > > >>>>> > >> dictum, I > > > > >>>>> > >> > have myself posted a few > of > > > them > > > > >>>>> earlier. > > > > >>>>> > >> > Unfortunately there is a > > > tendency > > > > >>>>> to mix up terms like > > > > >>>>> > >> Benefic/Malefic > > > > >>>>> > >> > with the results a planet > > is > > > likely > > > > >>>>> to give. This > > > > >>>>> happens more > > > > >>>>> > >> with > > > > >>>>> > >> > Jupiter as people usually > > tend > > > to > > > > >>>>> equate it with > > > > >>>>> Deeksha > > > > >>>>> > >> Guru as > > > > >>>>> > >> his > > > > >>>>> > >> > name in Sanskrit is Guru. > > > People > > > > >>>>> tend to forget > > > > >>>>> Parashara > > > > >>>>> > >> telling > > > > >>>>> > >> when > > > > >>>>> > >> > Guru can act as Maraka and > > > want to > > > > >>>>> attribute only good > > > > >>>>> and > > > > >>>>> > >> pious > > > > >>>>> > >> > attributes to him. I > prefer > > to > > > keep > > > > >>>>> my personal > > > > >>>>> feelings and > > > > >>>>> > >> prejudices > > > > >>>>> > >> > apart from application of > > > > >>>>> astrological principles. > > > > >>>>> > >> > Take care, > > > > >>>>> > >> > Chandrashekhar. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > nameisego wrote: > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Respected Chandrashekhar > > ji. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Please accpet my pranams > > as > > > you > > > > >>>>> are the senior most > > > > >>>>> Guru > > > > >>>>> > >> in age > > > > >>>>> > >> and > > > > >>>>> > >> > > experience in this group. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Your observation about > > Guru > > > is > > > > >>>>> absolutely right. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Self had posted in this > > > group and > > > > >>>>> elsewhere an > > > > >>>>> article on " > > > > >>>>> > >> > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" > > some > > > time > > > > >>>>> back where it was > > > > >>>>> shown > > > > >>>>> > >> Guru's > > > > >>>>> > >> > > position in various > > houses > > > which > > > > >>>>> had been > > > > >>>>> > >> destroyed/troubled by > > > > >>>>> > >> Guru. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau > > Shanih" > > > > >>>>> > >> > > This Dictum had been > > proved > > > by self. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go > > thro' > > > > >>>>> older postings and read > > > > >>>>> for > > > > >>>>> > >> yourself and > > > > >>>>> > >> > > check the examples that > > were > > > given. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Difference between > > Jupiter > > > and > > > > >>>>> saturn is, Jupiter > > > > >>>>> sucks the > > > > >>>>> > >> goodness > > > > >>>>> > >> > > of a house and gives > > fruit to > > > > >>>>> houses it aspects. > > > > >>>>> Saturn > > > > >>>>> > >> sucks the > > > > >>>>> > >> > > houses he aspects and > > > increases > > > > >>>>> the house it > > > > >>>>> occupies. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > --- In > > > > >>>>> vedic astrology, PNRazdan > > > > >>>>> > >> <pnrazdan> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > wrote: > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > You seem to be > > extending > > > your > > > > >>>>> arguments against > > > > >>>>> Jupiter > > > > >>>>> > >> still > > > > >>>>> > >> > > further. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Firstly you said that > > Jup > > > is > > > > >>>>> ashub in houses it is > > > > >>>>> a > > > > >>>>> > >> designated as a > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 > and > > 11 > > > > >>>>> based on the principle > > > > >>>>> of > > > > >>>>> > >> "Karka > > > > >>>>> > >> Bhavo > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Nasa" > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > . Now you say that it > > will > > > harm > > > > >>>>> every house it is > > > > >>>>> > >> placed in. > > > > >>>>> > >> Why > > > > >>>>> > >> > > this > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > animosity with Jup, > the > > > hope of > > > > >>>>> millions believing > > > > >>>>> in Vedic > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Astrology > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > (in lighter vein). > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > You refer to some > > dictum > > > of a > > > > >>>>> sage, source was not > > > > >>>>> > >> given by > > > > >>>>> > >> you. But > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > take out any basic > book > > on > > > > >>>>> ancient astrology. It > > > > >>>>> always > > > > >>>>> > >> speaks > > > > >>>>> > >> of > > > > >>>>> > >> > > the > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > benefic qualities of > > > Jupiter. > > > > >>>>> Somewhere it is even > > > > >>>>> > >> said, that > > > > >>>>> > >> > > howsoever > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > bad it may be placed > > in, it > > > > >>>>> will still try to help > > > > >>>>> the > > > > >>>>> > >> subject. And > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > this has been amply > > proved > > > by > > > > >>>>> our experience. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > I am afraid. you will > > have > > > to > > > > >>>>> do some more > > > > >>>>> hardwork for > > > > >>>>> > >> convincing > > > > >>>>> > >> > > all > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > about your notions of > > > Jupiter, > > > > >>>>> the heavenly > > > > >>>>> Brahiman. This > > > > >>>>> > >> would > > > > >>>>> > >> > > even > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > mean a paradigm shift > > in > > > Vedic > > > > >>>>> Astrology. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Pran Razdan > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > --- Chandrashekhar > > > > >>>>> <boxdel> wrote: > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Reference to Leo was > > in > > > > >>>>> connection with what > > > > >>>>> > >> Shubhangi had > > > > >>>>> > >> asked. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Jupiter harming the > > > house he > > > > >>>>> is placed in is a > > > > >>>>> dictum > > > > >>>>> > >> given > > > > >>>>> > >> by > > > > >>>>> > >> > > sages > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > and > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > there is no reason > to > > > try to > > > > >>>>> find out the > > > > >>>>> reason. If one > > > > >>>>> > >> wants to > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > find > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > the reason about Leo, > > > > >>>>> consider this in natural > > > > >>>>> zodiac > > > > >>>>> > >> Leo is > > > > >>>>> > >> in > > > > >>>>> > >> > > 5th > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > house whose > > occupation by > > > > >>>>> Jupiter leads to > > > > >>>>> Karaka Bhava > > > > >>>>> > >> Dasha. In > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > 11th > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > all planets are > > Shubha > > > so it > > > > >>>>> is not only Jupiter > > > > >>>>> who is > > > > >>>>> > >> Shubha > > > > >>>>> > >> > > there. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Disha strength is > one > > > amongst > > > > >>>>> many strengths > > > > >>>>> > >> considered but > > > > >>>>> > >> not > > > > >>>>> > >> > > as > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > strong as Digbala > and > > > Jupiter > > > > >>>>> gets that in Lagna. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Prafulla Gang wrote: > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Dear > Chandrashekhar > > ji > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > In my humble view, > > > (Jupiter > > > > >>>>> may not be > > > > >>>>> preferred in > > > > >>>>> > >> Leo for > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Muhurta, > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > I do not know much > > > about > > > > >>>>> muhurta related > > > > >>>>> > >> configurations),It may > > > > >>>>> > >> > > not > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > become weak in > > terms of > > > > >>>>> Bala necessarily > > > > >>>>> (generally > > > > >>>>> > >> speaking). > > > > >>>>> > >> > > In > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact, jupiter in > > 3rd > > > house > > > > >>>>> in Libra is > > > > >>>>> considered bad. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Jupiter in 11th > > house > > > (any > > > > >>>>> sign) will have > > > > >>>>> directional > > > > >>>>> > >> strength > > > > >>>>> > >> > > to > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > initiate for > > results. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > There must be more > > than > > > > >>>>> this reason, for > > > > >>>>> jupiter to > > > > >>>>> > >> give > > > > >>>>> > >> > > negative > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > results. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > regards/Prafulla > > Gang > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > --- In > > > > >>>>> vedic astrology, > > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > <boxdel> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Dear Shubhangi, > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Being an Indian > > you > > > must > > > > >>>>> know that Jupiter > > > > >>>>> looses his > > > > >>>>> > >> > > strength in > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Leo > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > and that is why > > > there are > > > > >>>>> no Muhurtas for > > > > >>>>> > >> marriages when > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Jupiter > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > occupies Leo or > > what > > > is > > > > >>>>> called as Simhastha. > > > > >>>>> That > > > > >>>>> > >> is due > > > > >>>>> > >> to > > > > >>>>> > >> > > the > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact of > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Guru lacking > > Bala. In > > > > >>>>> your brother's case Sun > > > > >>>>> > >> being in > > > > >>>>> > >> own > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Rasi > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > makes > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > him Shubha and > > > therefore > > > > >>>>> good relations with > > > > >>>>> > >> Father. But > > > > >>>>> > >> I > > > > >>>>> > >> > > would > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > say he > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > would not follow > > > father's > > > > >>>>> profession. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik > > wrote: > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Dear Sir, > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Sorry for > > > intervening in > > > > >>>>> your session, but > > > > >>>>> I am > > > > >>>>> > >> curious > > > > >>>>> > >> to > > > > >>>>> > >> > > know > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > the logic behind > > > jupiter > > > > >>>>> losing its strength > > > > >>>>> in leo > > > > >>>>> > >> and > > > > >>>>> > >> hence > > > > >>>>> > >> > > this > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > email. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Yes, your > dictum > > > worked > > > > >>>>> in my brother's > > > > >>>>> case also. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >My brother has > > > sun+jup > > > > >>>>> in leo but in 8th, no > > > > >>>>> > >> doubt he > > > > >>>>> > >> is very > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > intelligent but > did > > > not do > > > > >>>>> much well in > > > > >>>>> academics > > > > >>>>> > >> and yes, > > > > >>>>> > >> he > > > > >>>>> > >> > > did > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fail once in his > > 10th > > > class. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >With my half > > > knowledge I > > > > >>>>> thought the reason > > > > >>>>> to > > > > >>>>> > >> be the > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > positioning > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > of both the > planets > > in > > > 8th, > > > > >>>>> but now curious to > > > > >>>>> know > > > > >>>>> > >> why jup > > > > >>>>> > >> > > losses > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > strength in leo. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >But though both > > > planets > > > > >>>>> are positioned in > > > > >>>>> 8th, both > > > > >>>>> > >> father > > > > >>>>> > >> > > and > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > son shares good > > > relation > > > > >>>>> with each other. > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Shubhangi > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep > > 2004 > > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar wrote : > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira, > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>There you see > > the > > > > >>>>> dictum working. 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Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Dear Pradeep, First things first is that what are u trying to do when you are seeing sign placement of a planet ? What are u trying to judge ? Why do you keep going to D charts ? What is the final purpose ? By any chance are u trying to gaugein some way or with some approach the strength of a planet ? Is that what you are trying to do ? If that is what you are trying to do then lets say that is one approach to gauge the strenght of a planet. Ashtakavarga and KAS are giving strength of planets for each and every house and for each and every planet. Please try to soak in the magnitude of what I have written above. For example use any method or tool you use. From that take a chart and take any planet. Try to find out its strength for lagna, 2nd house, 3rd house ...... . to 12th house. >From that you can give some identification to suggest if say a planet is strong for say lagna but not that much for 2nd house. Just try to do that exercise. Then apply KAS and see how you can gauge the strength of each planet for all 12 houses and you can get all that in a glance and its all given in a numerical value. I think if you do this 1 exercise you will realise how much effort it would take to find out from all the source of strength that you use and with consistency. Now as per KAS, you would refer to D chart if in case of doubt. In most cases one is able to time events from Rashi worksheet itself. Now that being said if you are in doubt and say take a hypothetical example if say a planet is giving 12 points for 5th house and one is timing a child birth. You may want to verify if this planet does it have enough strength to deliver results or which way it will go. Now 12 points means its on the border and can go either way. So in that case you may cast the Worksheet for Saptamasha and verify the results. For that only the top poriton of the worksheet is to be used. i.e. in the SAV of Saptamsha and assume its a male chart and then you would add the points of 5th, 9th and 12th house. If that total is > 12 then the planet has strength and may give more favourable result. At the same time we would also need to check if that planet is not in a trik sthan or in the house of the planet which is 6th lords house in lagna etc etc. All these things are a part of a comphrensive system. I think you are mixing different source of strength. My suggestion is to keep aside any pre-notions of finding out strength. Just purely use ashtakavarga and go over a solved chart which is given in lessons and how things fit. This may not be easy task and I am talking from practical experience. I myself had to put a huge effort to keep aside my pre conceptions and notions of judgeing strength as each system has its own way of assessing strength. One cannot mix and match. Why is it that you are looking for answers for finding strength in sign placement ? Ashtakavarga in the system of KAS and as per worksheet is already giving u the strength of the signfificator. Isn't the final purpose acheived ? Different school of thoughts give different approaches. For studying any approach keep other approaches aside and open your mind up. I think the best way would be to see how the technique is used is to see how charts is solved. I am out of time for now. But my suggestion is to see a solved example charts. That is also given in the lessons. About KAS and the questions you have on KAS please post them on KAS list. I will be in a better shape to point out explanations and references from the Archives. On this list lets keep the conversation to General as there are so many different schools of thought and its better to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. If I get technical into KAS then it would be like greek and latin to most folks and the essence would be lost. I hope you will understand. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > Dear Ash > > Thanks for your time and detailed explanation.It was my mistake to > ask broadly on something, which can only be explained in detail.But > still you gave me an idea about various Samdharmi > possibilities,Strengths and overview of Transits.I have roughly > browsed through the notebooks and lessons.It makes me feel that one > needs dedication and hardwork to master those.I think this system > (Ashtakavarga in general) provides an unique method for assessing > the strength of planets.Usage of 4/10 Samadharmi position along with > AV,is a good example.Parashara has pointed out the great role of > mutual yogakarakas.Thus i think this system is kind of a short > cut.Also as you have said any planet can deliver only on the basis > of its overall > strength,though strong w.r to a particular aspect. Thus i think if > one wants to predict consistently without astakavarga , vast > experience/mastery in vedic astrology is a must.I am a beginner even > with respect to other astrological fundamentals and hence cannot > comment more. > > In one of the pages it has been mentioned that Rashi and Navamsha > has equal strength.What should one understand from this?From your > mail i have understood that,the system takes into account of rashi > and navamsha positions together and then apply multiplication > factors.But multiplication factor is giving more weightage to Rashi > positions?Is there any reason for this?. Does this mean debilitation > in navamsha is only harming a particular strength of the planet? > > In another place it is mentioned that planets in the same navamsha > are samadharmis ,but this is the lowest level.This is an interesting > point.My understanding is,though they are in same navamsha > tattwas ,they will not be ' together ', unless they are together in > Rashi as well, and hence the above statement and low weightage.Am > right? > > I have found that your system considers Rashi and Navamsha analysis > together.This is interesting.Thus for other vargas as well,shouldnt > be the case similar?Your system attributing lowest importance among > samadharmis,for planets in same navamsha has a big meaning.Thus i > think SAV analysis of Divisional positions is not reaching my > understanding.Because as per my understanding divisional positions > taken in isolation and considered together cannot have a meaning of > its own. > If that was the case,in the same navamsha samadharmi example ,when 2 > planets are together,weightage should had been high.Anyways the last > paragraph is only regarding something which i find very difficult to > understand,and it is a general doubt.While ashtakavarga analyses the > relative positional strength from eight angles across the jataka, > ShadVarga is analysing six fold strength of a planet or lagna within > a 30 degree sign.May be i have to learn and look for more to find a > clue. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > vedic astrology, "ashsam73" <ashsam73> > wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > Please just call me Ash. > > > > My answers in CAPS. > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > Dear Ash ji & Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > This debate on Astakavarga and its importance during chart > analysis > > > is becoming really educative. > > > > ASH : I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE LEARNING FROM CHANDRASHEKHAR AND MY > > DISCUSSION. > > > > I was scared to ask any questions due > > > to my ignorance. But i think i may ask couple of questions of > > broad > > > nature. > > > > ASH : WHY ARE U SCARED OF ASKING ANY QUESTION ? IT IS AN HONOUR > FOR > > ANYONE WHO WANTS TO LEARN THIS SCIENCE OF LIGHT AND HELP PEOPLE IN > > NEED. I HAVE SEEN SUCH NICE POSTS FROM YOU IN THE PAST. PLEASE > FEEL > > FREE TO ASK. I SHALL TRY TO ANSWER EACH POINT IN THE LIMITED TIME > > AND RESOUCES I HAVE. > > > > > > > > Ash ji, I am glad that your system considers the Vargas as an > > > inherent division within the Rashi,and it should be like that as > > > > per my humble understanding of Parashara.This gives me confidence > and > > > trust.Now you have said jupiter within the second navamsha,in > > cancer > > > is samadharmi to Sun. > > > > > > ASH : BEFORE WE DWELVE ANY FURTHER PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE > > FOLLOWING. > > > > 1) ASHTAKAVARGA IS TAUGHT BY MAHARISHI PARASARA AND VARHARAMIRA > AND > > MOSTLY ALL BOOKS HAVE REFERENCE AND SHOLKES ON ASHTAKAVARGA. BUT > IN > > NO BOOK A SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING ASHTAKAVARGA IS GIVEN. > > > > 2) ASHTAKAVARGA IS A TOOL GIVEN AND IS USED IN ALL VARGAS. ITS > > APPLICABLE IN ALL D-CHARTS. EXPLORE THE FEATURES GIVEN IN JHL AND > > YOU CAN SEE THAT ITS PROGRAMMED TO GIVE SAV FOR ALL D-CHARTS. > > > > 3) ASHTAKAVARGA WHEN USED IN A FULL SYSTEM IS USED VERY > EFFECTIVELY > > TO TIME ALL EVENTS. ITS USE IS NOT LIMITED TO TRANSITS AND TIMING > > LONGEVITY. > > > > 4) WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM ALL FACTORS ARE > > CONSIDERED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. ASHTAKAVARGA IF YOU GO DEEPER > AND > > TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE THEORY BEHIND KAS YOU WILL BEGIN TO > UNDERSTAND > > WHAT I AM SAYING. I MYSELF HAVE SPEND SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO > > UNDERSTAND THE DEEP THEORY BEHIND KAS AND AM TRUELY AMAZED. IT > DID > > NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT BUT IT TOOK TIME AND DEDICATION AND I STILL > HAVE > > MUCH TO LEARN. > > > > OK. NOW THAT THIS IS CLARIFIED I SHALL PROCEED TO ANSWER YOUR > > QUESTIONS. > > > > > > > > As per my understanding ,any transiting planet will trigger the > > > planets placed in a house ,their lords and also the lord of the > > > transiting house.Thus when a planet transits say 3deg 20 to 6 > deg > > > 40, (as you have mentioned) in Cancer,it is also transiting > > navamsha > > > of sun, w.r to that Rashi.Thus this transit will trigger Sun and > > > also Jupiter,as jupiter is placed within that navamsha.Also this > is > > > an intense transit as far as the planet is concerned (exact > > > navamsha). > > > > > > Is this the basis for Samadharmi? > > > > ASH : OK. TRANSITS IS A VERY DETAILED TOPIC. IN SHORT I WILL > TELL U > > SOMETHING. YOU CAN STUDY HOW ONE WILL FEEL IN A DAY BY USING > SAV. > > THERE IS A FULL LESSON JUST EXPLAINING THIS. SO THAT COVERES ONE > > PORTION OF TRANSITS. THE SECOND PORTION OF TRANSITS IS STUDYING > > INDIVIDUAL TRANSITS. EACH TRANSIT MEANS DIFFERENT THNINGS BASED > ON > > KALPURUSH CHART AND THE NATAL CHART. TRANSIT OF SUN IS MOST > > IMPORTANT TO TIME EVENTS. SUN IS BOSS OF ALL PLANETS. TRANSIT OF > > SHANI AND GURU IS VERY IMPORTANT TO STUDY FINANCES. BEFORE YOU > GET > > INTO TRANSITS ONE MUST KNOW CLEARLY THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANETS > FOR > > EACH AND EVERY HOUSE. THE POWER OF EACH PLANET. > > PRADEEP I AM FINDING IT HARD TO COMPRESS 35 LESSONS INTO 1 EMAIL. > > TRANSITS IS A VERY LOADED TOPIC. I SHALL GIVE U REFERENCES BUT I > > SUGGEST YOU STUDY ONE THING AT A TIME AND NOT CONFUSE MANY THINGS. > > > > RELATION BETWEEN RASHI AND NAVAMSA IS MOST IMPORTANT. AGAIN THERE > > ARE LESSONS ON THIS ALSO. THIS IS CO-TIED AND CO-RELATED WITH > > SAMDHARMI CONCEPT. > > > > WHAT IS SAMDHARMI YOU ASK ? ITS AGAIN A LOADED TOPIC. IN SHORT > WHEN > > PLANETS ARE IN 4:10 AND UNDER CERTAIN CONDITION I.E. PLANET IN > 10TH > > MUST HAVE LESS POINTS I.E. < 4 BINDUS AND PLANET IN 4THF ROM IT > MUST > > HAVE MORE THAN 4 POINTS IN THAT CASE THE 2 PLANETS BECOME POWEFUL > > SAMDHARMIS. PLANETS IN THE SAME SIGN BECOME SAMDHARMI. WHEN SAY > > GURU IS BETWEEN 3DEG20 TO 6DEG20 IN CANCER THEN THIS GURU WILL > BECOME > > SAMDHARMI TO SUN AS IT WILL FALL IN NAVAMSA OF SUN. SO AS YOU SAY > > NAVAMSA DEPOSITER IS CONSIDERED. RAHU AND KETU ARE SAMDHARMI TO > SIGN > > AND NAKSHATRA LORDS. > > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS ARE VENUS AND SHANI. MOON AND MARS AND SUN AND > > MARS. IF YOU STUDY KEENLY VENUS AND SHANI ARE YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH > > OTHERS HOUSES. ALSO IF YOU STUDY MORE CLOSELY THAT VENUS AND > SHANI > > ARE IN 5:9 AND 4:10 RELATION BETWEEN HOUSES OWNED BY THE PLANET > SAME > > FOR MOON AND MARS AND SUN AND MARS. THEY ARE ALSO YOGAKARAKS. > > > > SO LIKE THIS PLANETS CAN BECOME SAMDHAMIRS. FOR THAT THERE ARE 2 > > LESSONS DEDICATED TO EXPALIN THIS CONCEPT. > > > > IF A PLANET IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS DUE TO ITS ASPECT ON A > HOUSE > > THEN ITS SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN AND DELIVER IT. LIKE THIS THERE > ARE > > SOME RULES. > > > > GURU IS SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. GURU ALWAYS > ASPECTS > > 5TH HOUSE AND 5TH HOSUE IS PRIMARY SIGNFIFICATOR OF THE HOUSE SO > ITS > > GENERALLY SAID TO BE SPOILT AS ITSELF CANT GIVE RESULT. SOME > > SAMDHARNMI WILL GIVE IT. SIMILARLY IN VEDIC TEXTS ITS GIVEN THAT > > MARS SPOILS THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND SIMILAR LOGIC AS MARS > ASPECTS > > 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AGAIN TAHT IS A PRIMARY > > SIGNIFICCATOR HOUSE SO ITSELF CANT GIVE RESULTS GENERALLY SO ITS > > SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN. > > > > LESSON 8 AND 25 ARE DEDICATED TO TEACHING THE CONCEPT OF > SAMDHARMIS. > > FOR THOSE TO WHO THIS TERM MIGHT BE ALIEN, THIS CONCEPT COVERS SO > > MANY THINGS WHICH IS LIKE YOGAKARAK, PLANEST PLACED IN SAME SIGN, > > 4:10 OR I AM NOT SURE BUT IT MAYBE CALLED PARASPARAK OR MUTUAL CO- > > WORKERS, NAVAMSA DEPOSITER, RAHU/KETU, PLANETS IN SAME NAKSHATRRA, > > PLANETS PLACED IN SAME NAVAMSA SO IT MAY COVER THINGS LIKE SAY IF > 2 > > PLANETS ARE PLACED IN NAV-PANCHAM AND IN EXACT THEN THEY BECOME > > SAMDHARMI AS THEY WILL COME IN SAME SIGN IN NAVAMSA. LIKE THAT SO > > MANY THINGS ARE COVERED. PLEASE READ THE LESSONS AND FOR A > LEARNED > > PERSON LIKE YOU, YOU CAN EASILY UNDERSAND IT. > > > > > > > > And i understand ,which planets transit ? will deliver such > results > > > has to be understood based on the values and the chart as a > > > whole.Here the planets role,SAV and the individual points w.r to > > > bhavas have a role to play.Am i right?.I am yet to learn the > basics > > > behind these. > > > > > > > ASH : WHEN YOU READ THE LESSONS YOU WILL UNDERSERSTAND THAT THE > KEY > > TO TIMING OF EVENTS LIES IN UPCHAYA HOUSES. BAV-SAV-WORKSHEET > > CONSIDER SO MANY FACTORS AND FROM THAT WE GET THE STRENGTH OF > PLANETS > > FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE IN NUMERICAL FORMAT. > > ONCE U KNOW THE STRENGTH OF THE PLANET THEN LIFE UNFOLDS AS PER > > VIMSHOTTARI DASHSA STARTING FROM MOON. THIS YOU CAN STUDY AS YOU > > WILL HAVE THE WORKSHEET WITH YOU AND IN ANY ANTRA YOU CAN EASILY > SEE > > HOW A PLANET WHOS ANTRA IS RUNNING WILL ACT FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. > > > > IF YOU READ THE LESSONS IT WIL BECOME MORE EASY FOR ME TO EXPLAIN > > THINGS AS YOU WILL HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OTHERWISE WHAT I AM > SAYING > > WILL SOUND GREEK AND LATIN. ON KAS LIST THERE ARE SO MANY CHARTS > > SOLVED AND IT CAN ALSO GIVE ONE AN UNDERSTANDING ON THE SYSTEM AND > > USE OF ASHTAKAVARG. > > > > > Now one question,similar to what Chandrashekhar ji has asked - > Does > > > this system account for the navamsha rashi relation ,while > deriving > > > strengths? > > > > ASH : WHEN YOU READ LESSONS 8 AND 25 THIS QUESTION WILL GET > > RESOLVED. YES ALL RELATIONS ARE CONSIDERED. WHEN YOU FIND > SAMDHARMI > > ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED. > > > > For example if Jupiter is within capricorn navamsha,while > > > arriving at strength of jupiter is this point considered?Does > any > > > Ashtakavarga system take into account varga positions while > > arriving > > > at strength? > > > > ASH : ASHTAKAVARGA GIVES STRENGTH OF PLANETS AND WORKSHEET WHICH > IS > > DERIVED FROM SAV GIVES COMBINED EFFECT. FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR > ALL > > 12 HOUSES IN NUMERICAL FORMAT. WHEN GURU GOES IUN NAVAMSA OF > SHANI > > IT BECOMES SAMDHARMI TO SHANI. IF GURU IS IN SAY FIRST 3DEG20 TO > > 6DEG40 IN CAPRICORN THEN ITS SAMDHARMI TO GURU AND THE > MULTIPLICATION > > FACTOR IS 0.8. THIS PART IS LESSON 27. IF GURU WERE TO BE IN > CANCER > > AND BETWEEN 2O AND 23DEG20 THEN IT WILL STILL BE SAMDHARMI TO > SHANI > > AS IT WILL BE IN NEECHA STHAN OR IN CAPRICORN IN NAVAMSA BUT IN > RASHI > > ITS IN CANCER SO THE MULTIPLICATOIN FACTOR WILL BE 1.4. > > ASHTAKAVARGA ITSELF IS A SYSTEM TO FIND THE STRENGH OF PLANET. > ONCE > > U STUDY WHAT THE FINAL WORKSHEET MEANS THIS QUESTION ON TRYING TO > > FIND STRENTH USING SIGN PLACMENT WILL NOT BE NEEDED AS > ASHTAKAVARGA > > TOOL IS USED TO FIND THE STRENGTH. WITH ASHTAKAVARGA ONE STUDIES > > EACH PLANET STRENGTH FROM WITH RESPECT TO LAGNA AND 7 PLANEST. > > SAY GURU IS IN CANCER AND LAGNA IS CANCER SO FROM LAGNA GURU IS IN > > 1ST, BUT SAY SUN IS IN 8TH THEN FROM SUN THIS GURU IN CANCER WILL > BE > > IN 6TH HOUSE. JU AND MO IN 6:8 RELATION IS ? THEN SAY IF SHANI IS > IN > > 12TH HOUSE THEN GURU AND SHANI ARE IN 2:12 IS THIS GOOD OR NOT > > DESPITE GURU BEING IN UNCHA STHAN. NOW WHEN U STUDY THE SAME FROM > > ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ALL THESE ARE CONSIDERD WHEN THE BAV TO > SAV > > IS CAST. ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED INDIRECTLY. THIS GIVES THE > > STRENGTH OF PLANEST WHICH IS USED TO TIME EVENTS. YOU CAN THEN > ADD > > THE LAYER OF SIGN PLACMENT WHICH IS GIVEN IN LESSON 27 BUT THIS IS > > NOT NEEDED TO TIME EVNETS. SIGN PLACMENT GIVES US THE BACKING THE > > PLANET HAS FROM THE SIGN. IF GURU IS CANCER THEN THERE THE > > MULTIPLICATON FACTOR IS 1.4 SO IT MEANS THAT GURU HAS 140% BACKING > > FROM SIGN. SO IF GURU IS SAY IN 4TH HOUSE FOR SAY ARIES LAGNA AND > > ITS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS THEN IT WILL BE VERY VERY EAGER TO GIVE > > MARRIAGE. NOW IF THE DELAY PERIOD IS OVER AND IF GURUS ANTRA > COMES > > THEN MARRIAGE WILL HAPPEN. > > SAY IF GURU IS IN CAPRICORN AND AQUARIUS IS LAGNA. THEN THIS GURU > IS > > IN 12TH HOSUE AND IF SUCH A GURU IS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS AND ANTRA OF > > GURU COMES THEN THIS GURU WILL BECOME VERY EAGER TO GIVE MARRIAGE > > DESPITE BEING IN CAPROCORN. > > NOW GURU IS IN CAPROCORN SO THE RESULTS WILL BE FELT WITH A > > MULTIPLICAON FACTOR OF 0.8. > > I DONT KNOW IF ALL THIS MAKES SENSE TO YOU BUT IF U GO THROUGH THE > > LESSONS ALL THIS WILL MAKE SENSE TO YOU AS U WILL HAVE SOME > > CONTINUITY. > > > > Or does it mean, strength of a planet vis-a-vis > > > temporal/natural relationships has to be understood/evaluated > > > outside the relams of ashtakavarga, and then ashtakavarga > > principles > > > have to applied on top. > > > > > > > ASH : WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A SYSTEM I.E. KRUSHNAS > ASHTAKAVARGA > > SYSTEM THEN ONE SHOULD USE FULL SYSTEM. THE SYSTEM USES GRAHA > > DRISTI, ALL VARGAS, ASHTAKAVARGA AND ALL THE THINGS THAT U CALL > VEDIC > > ASTROLOGY. BUT THERE ARE SOME RULES THAT ONE MUST UNDERSTAND AND > > THEORY OF KAS AND HOW UPCHAYA HOUSES IS USED TO TIME EVENTS. > > > > > Kindly explain. > > > > > > > ASH : I HAVE TRIED MY BEST TO EXPLAIN. THERE ARE 35 LESSONS AND > YOU > > HAVE ASKED ME UNKNOWINGLY TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS TO YOU IN 1 MAIL > LOL... > > I HAVE TRIED. JUST KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND READ THE LESSONS. > > > > THE LESSONS ARE FOUND IN THE FILE SECTION IN > > > > / > > > > PLEASE READ THEM AND I AM SURE YOU WILL UNDERTAND IT AND WILL BE > ABLE > > TO TIME EVENTS VERY NICELY. IF NOT IT WILL STILL IN THE LEAST > SHOW > > YOU AND REMOVE THIS MISCONCEPTION THAT ASHTAKAVARGA CAN BE USED > FOR > > TRANSITS AND TIMING LONGEVITY ONLY. > > > > I HOPE THIS MAIL HELPS. > > > > > Thanks > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Ash <ashsam73> > wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > There is no contradiction. Maybe in your confused state you > are > > > making such assumptions. > > > > > > > > Firstly as you are very well aware that the chart must be > looked > > > as a whole. For that you consider all parameters and for that > you > > > have the entire worksheet. That gives the total strength which > I > > > have given for Sa = 10 and Ju = 11. Individual points of Sa = 1 > > and > > > Ju = 5. These points are obtained in the SAV by Ju and Sa. > > > Worksheet is derived from SAV. This part I do not think you > will > > > understand unless you study the method that is used to derive > the > > > entire worksheet. This part is not given in any book and that > is > > > what I mention so it will be beyond your comphrehension for > now. I > > > have given the website of Krushnaji and you can download the > > > worksheet and study it and let me know. > > > > > > > > Now You have talked of logic of Sa = 1 and Ju = 5 but what > about > > > aspects ? What about 6th lord, What about aspects on Sa and Ju, > > > what about if Sa and Ju rule any upchaya houses and the special > > > consideratoins ? > > > > > > > > Have u just seen one points and came to conclusion that Ju is > > > stronger than Sa ? > > > > > > > > If so then its the system that you use is causing all > confusion > > > and that 2 people using same technique of finding out strength > are > > > coming to different conclusions ? > > > > > > > > The strength given in the final worksheet will determin how > the > > > planets will deliver their results for all houses. > > > > > > > > If Guru is in say 3deg20 to 6deg40 in cancer it will become > > > samdharmi to Sun in navamsa. So such a guru can step in for Sun > if > > > sun is unable to deliver the results. > > > > > > > > I agree with you. The system you are using to find strength > > there > > > is no consistency. Someone studies the same chart and will say > > that > > > Ju is stronger than Sa and someone else will Say that Sa is > > stronger > > > than Ju. There is too many contradiction that exist in the > system > > > you study. > > > > > > > > Ashtakvarga has removed all these contradiction as the each > > planet > > > is studied from 8 different angles. > > > > > > > > In the end I will say that its Parasara who said that > > Ashtakavarga > > > is to be used by us people in Kali Yuga. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > I am now more confused than ever. You said " AS PER KAS ITS > > BETTER > > > TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN THEIR NEECHA STHAN AS 3 > > > PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET IS WEAK FOR 1 > HOUSE > > > THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3 OTHER HOUSES > STRONG > > > AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM STRONG. SO > OVERALL > > > ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND BECOME MORE THAN > > 12.". > > > So by this logic would not Saturn who has only one point be > > stronger > > > than Jupiter who has 4 points? > > > > If you are using Vimshottary Dashas as you stated, then to the > > > best of my understanding Planets who are Neecha give more of > their > > > malefic nature results than had they been in Uccha. Is a > different > > > Vimshottary dasha system being used here? Again you say that > > > strength of Navamsha and Rasi are equal in your system. Vedic > > > Jyotish tells us that Navamsha strength overrules Rasi strength. > > For > > > example a planet exalted in Rasi but debilitated in Navamsha can > > > only give results as if debilitated and one debilitated in Rasi > if > > > exalted in Navamsha shall give results as if exalted. Since the > > > system is totally different from what is known as Vedic Jyotish > in > > > the parameters used, I do not think we can agree to the way we > look > > > at the strengths of planets. There are many such contradictions > and > > > I am only pointing out two of them as illustrations. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ash wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > My answers in CAPS. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > I did not use Ashtakavarga to indicate timing of events at all > > but > > > only to illustrate a point from a different angle. My intention > was > > > to illustrate that Jupiter's position has not strengthened the > > Bhava > > > under consideration. If I remember right even that was in > response > > > to somebody's response mentioning Ashtakavarga Points. > > > > > > > > ASH : I AM ALSO ILLUSTRATING THE POINTS BUT FROM THE VIEW > POINT > > OF > > > ASHTAKVARGA OR ONE CAN SAY THAT I AM USING THE TOOL OF > ASHTAKVARGA > > > TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. IF YOU SAY THAT BASED ON > THE > > > RELATIVE POSITIONING OF GURU AND SHANI YOU HAVE COMPARED THE > > > STRENGTH OF BOTH AND THE END RESULT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT GURU > IS > > > WEAKER THAN SHANI THEN FROM THE ASHTAKVARGA VIEW POINT ITS NOT > > > MATCHING. SINCE ASHTAKVARGA IS CONSIDERING ALL PLANETS WITH > > RESPECT > > > TO EACH OTHER AND ALSO FROM LAGNA USING ASHTAVARGA AS A TOOL I > DO > > > NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. SAV TAKES CARE OF THAT FROM ALL 8 > > > ANGLES. > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to understand how strength is on the one hand > calculated > > on > > > placement of bindus are considered to be the final strengths and > in > > > the same breath said to be arrived at based on a system which > takes > > > into consideration Navamsha strengths. Again how can a system > that > > > considers Navamsha strength for only a specific purpose like > > delays > > > be said to apply all the principles of Vedic astrology? > > > > > > > > ASH : THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM. THE > > > FINAL STRENGTH IS DERIVED FROM SAV AS THE BASE. THE WHOLE > SYSTEM > > OF > > > TIMING IS USING UPCHAYA HOUSES, ASPECTS ON PLANET AND PRIMARY > > > SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE, 4:10 RELATIONSHIPS, WE DO NOT CONSIDER > BENEFIC > > > ASPECT OF 6TH LORD OR 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND SPECIAL > > > CONSIDERATION TO 10TH LORD FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO 6TH > FROM > > > HOUSE UNDER FOCUS (IN SHORT UPCAHYA HOUSES). THIS IS ALL DONE > TO > > > THE SAV POINTS. SO THE FINAL POINTS THAT ONE GETS AND JUST TO > > > CLARIFY WHICH IS THE WORKSHEET THAT I HAD REPRODUCED ON ALL THE > > > STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE WHERE YOU CAN > SEE > > > THE STRENGTH AT A GLANCE IS FINALLY ARRIVED AT. THAT IS THE > FINAL > > > STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. BASED ON THIS STRENGTH YOU CAN USE IT > > ALONG > > > WITH VIMSHOTTARI DASHA STARTING FROM MOON ONLY WILL GIVE HOW THE > > > ANTRA WILL DELIVER RESULTS FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT YOU CAN SEE > AT > > A > > > GLANCE. I BELEIVE YOU ALSO AGREE THAT THE ANY ANTRA WORKS FOR > ALL > > > 12 HOUSES > > > > AT THE SAME TIME MAYBE GIVING GOOD RESAULT FOR SOME HOUSES > AND > > > MAYBE MALEFIC FOR SOME OTHER. > > > > > > > > THIS WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO HONE INTO WHEN I ASKED YOU > FOR > > > WHICH HOUSE IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR ? FOR 7TH HOUSE > ALSO > > > BOTH HAVE LESS THAN 12 POINTS SO BOTH ARE NOT CONDUSIVE TO 12TH > > > HOSUE MATTERS HOWEVER IF U COMPARE BOTH GURU IS STRONGER THAN > SHANI > > > FOR 7TH HOSUE MATTERS. FOR 10TH HOUSE MATTERS GURU IS FAR > STRONGER > > > THAN SHANI. I WILL REVERT TO THE POINTS MISCONCEPTION BELOW. > > > > > > > > Is the confusion on account of trying to analyze timing of > events > > > vis-a-vis the strengths of Bhavas and the Grahas? Or is it due > to > > my > > > inability to convey my meaning or understanding yours? > > > > > > > > ASH : HOW WOULD YOU TIME ANY EVENT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE > > > STRENGTH. AS PER MY UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE USING ANY SYSTEM TRY > TO > > > FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. YOU CAN STUDY IT FROM SHAD > > BAL, > > > YOU CAN STUDY IF ITS ATMAKARAK OR DARAKARAK ETC ETC THEN STUDY > ITS > > > AVASTHA ETC ETC THE YOGS ITS MAKING, IF ITS YOGAKARAKA, OR > MAKING > > > ANY MAHAYOGA ETC, STUDY IT FROM SUN/MOON/LAGNA/HL/GL/BL/AK/AL > ETC > > > ETC.. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT SOME HOW OR THE OTHER ONE > > > PERSON WHO IS STUDYING THE CHART IS TRYING TO GAUGE IF THIS > PLANETS > > > STRENGTH TO SEE IF THE PLANET WILL DELIVER THE RESULT. SOME > CALL > > IT > > > FRUTIFICATION OF YOGAS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY ONE PERSON IS > > > TRYING TO GAUGE BY FINDING OUT THE BAL IF THE PLANET WILL GIVE > THE > > > RESULT. THAT IS WHAT I CALL TIMING. PERSON ASK WHEN WILL MY > DEBT > > > GET OVER ? WHEN WILL I MARRY ? WHEN WILL I HAVE CHILDREN ? WHEN > > > WILL MY HEALTH CRISIS GET OVER ? AND SO MANY SUCH QUESTIONS ARE > > > POSED. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR TIMING OF EVENTS. > > > > > > > > WITH KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM I AM FINDING OUT THE > STRENGTH > > > USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM. WHEN I SAY A SYSTEM I MEAN > I > > > AM USING VIMSHOTTARI DASHA, UPCHAYA HOUSES, SAV, BAV, PAV, > > TRANSITS, > > > CERTAIN SPECIAL LAWS LIKE GURU IN LIBRA, VENUS IN KRITTIKA, > AADRA, > > > MOOLA, JAYESHTA, SUN TO VENUS DISTANCE, SOME RULES ON SAV AND > THEN > > > FINALLY I GO THROUGH A TEDIOUS PROCESS OF CASTING THE WORKSHEET > > > WHICH I HAD DISPLAYED WHICH USES SAV AS THE BASE AND FROM THAT > THE > > > THINGS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED SUCH AS 4:10 REPLATIONSHIPS, > ASPECTS > > > ON PLANETS, ASPECTS ON PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES, BENEFIC > ASPECT > > > ADJUSTMENT FOR 6TH LORD AND 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO > > > PLANETS IN UPCHAYA'S WITH > 4 BINDUS ETC. AFTER THAT I COME TO > THE > > > FINAL STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. AS PER KAS NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL > STATUS > > > AS COMPARED TO RASI. THEN WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF FINDING > > > SAMDHARMI. WHAT YOU WOULD CALL, NAVAMSA DEPOISTER, NATURAL > > > SAMDHARMIS I.E. VENUS AND SHANI , MOON AND MARS, SUN AND MARS. > I > > > BELEIVE > > > > THESE ARE CALLED YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH OTHERS CHART. 4:10 IS > THE > > > MOST POWEFUL SAMDHARMI WHERE IF PLANET IN 10TH HAS < 4 BINDUS > AND > > > PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT HAS > 4 BINDUS. LIKE THIS ITS A WHOLE > > > SYSTEM. EACH AND EVERY FACTOR IS CONSIDERED. > > > > > > > > THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS NOT EXISITING IN PHALDIPIKA, BPHS, TEXTS > BY > > > VARHARMIRA OR ANY OTHER SCHOLAR DESPITE ALL TEXTS MENTIONING > > > VERSES. EVEN SOME VERSES ARE MISSING THAT WAS GIVEN BY > KRUSHNAJI > > IN > > > HIS WRITEUP. > > > > > > > > WHAT YOU HAD SAID THAT ASHTAKVARGA DOES NOT CONSIDER SIGN > > > PLACEMENT IS ALSO A PART OF THE ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM. HOWEVER WE > DO > > > NOT NEED IT TO TIME EVENTS. WE USE WHATS CALLED THE > MULTIPLICATION > > > FACTOR TABLE FOR EXAMPLE MERCURY IN VIRGO HAS MULTIPLCAITON > FACFTOR > > > OF 1.4 AND SO DOES GURU IN CANCER. SUCH THINGS GIVE US FURTHER > > > CLARITY ON HOW THE RESULT WILL "FEEL" BUT IS NOT NEEDED TO TIME > > > EVENT. > > > > > > > > THIS IS WHAT I CALL A FULL SYSTEM AND I KEEP SAYING THAT SO > MUCH > > > OF ALL THIS IS GONE / VANISHED FROM THE ANTIENT TEXTS. I HOPE > NOW > > U > > > WILL UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BY WHATS AVAILABLE ON ASHTAKAVARGA IS > A > > > FRACTION AND ITS USE AS A SYSTEM IS NOT THERE AT ALL IN ANY > TEXTS > > > FOR TIMING OF EVENTS. > > > > > > > > THIS IS WHAT I KEPT SAYING THAT THIS SYSTEM MUST HAVE EXISTED > IN > > > ANTIENT TEXTS WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH > WAS > > > TAUGHT BY HIS GURU AND WAS KEPT IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE. > > > > > > > > You are perhaps talking about Prastarashtakvarga when you say > > BAV, > > > since in BAV I do not think a planet's BAV can get 10 or 11 > bindus > > > in that you mention in any Bhava. The maximum that might be > > > received would be around 7. Use of prastarashtkavarga is for > > > movement of transit planet in that planet's kakshya and the > number > > > of bindus received from the planet makes him a bindu pradata. > > > > > > > > > > > > ASH : NO I AM NOT TALKING OF PRASTARASHTAKAVARGA. I DID > ALLUDE > > TO > > > THAT IN MY MAIL TO LAKSHMI. WHEN I TOLD HER THAT ONLY VENUS WAS > > > GIVING HIS FAVOURABLE VOTE TO SHANI OR SHANI WAS MAKING A > > FAVOURABLE > > > WITH VENUS. SIMILARLY I WENT INTO FURHER DETAIL TO EXPLAIN THAT > > > GURU GETS 5 BINDUS AND WHICH OF THE 5 PLANET/LAGNA WAS > SUPPORTING. > > > I WAS NOT MEANING TO GO INTO THIS MUCH DETAIL BUT SUCH THINGS > ARE > > > USED TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL. THE 10 AND 11 BINDUS IS THE > TOTAL > > > POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET AS THE FINAL STRENGH OF THE PLANET WHICH > IS > > > CALCUALTED AS I HAVE MENTIONED ABOVE I.E KEEPING SAV AS THE BASE > > AND > > > THEN USING THE ASPECTS, 6TH LORDS, ASPECT ON PALNET ETC ETC. > THE > > > FINAL STRENGTH AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS TEDIOUS PROCESS WERE THE > > > POINTS I HAVE WRITTEN. THIS IS THE FINAL STRENGTH OF ALL 7 > PLANETS > > > FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THE FINAL STRENGTHS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES > AND > > > ANYTHING LESS THAN 12 MEANS MALEFIC AND GREATER THAN 12 MEANS > > > BENEFIC. 12 IS NEUTRAL. IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSAND THE ENTIRE > > > > PROCESS IN WHICH I CAME TO THE 11 AND 10 POINTS FOR GURU AND > > > SHANI FOR 7TH HOUSE I WILL REVERT IN A SEPERATE MAIL OR WILL > REFER > > > YOU TO THE APPROPRIATE TEXTS. > > > > > > > > I did not want to get into an argument where two different > > systems > > > are being used. > > > > > > > > ASH : I AM NOT ARGUING I AM DISCUSSING. I AM TAKING YOUR EACH > > > POINT AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN MY VIEW POINT. SO PLEASE DO NOT > > > CONSIDER THIS AS AN ARGUMENT AT ALL. I HOPE OTHERS WHO ARE > READING > > > WILL ALSO LEARN FROM THIS AND THE EFFORT. > > > > > > > > However if you want to consider strengths on the basis of > number > > > of Bindus given by a Planet then would it not be relevant that > > > Jupiter can get 56 Bindus whereas Saturn only 39 ? > > > > > > > > ASH : GURU IS A BENEFIC WHY ? WHY IS SHANI CALLED A MALEFIC ? > IF > > > YOU STUDY IT FROM ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ITS ALL IN NUMERICAL > > > VALUE. GURU HAS BEEN ALLOCATED 56 BINDUS AND SHANI AND MARS > HAVE > > > BEEN ALLOCATED 39 BINDUS ONLY. IT MEANS THAT GURU CAN MAKE MORE > > > FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI AND MARS. SO WE CAN SAY > GURU > > > IS BENEFIC AS 7 PLANETS AND LAGANAS WILL DISTRIBUTE 56 POINTS SO > > > MORE CHANCES OF GURU TO MAKE FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO > SHANI > > > AND MARS. EACH AND EVERYTHING HAS MEANING. SUN HAS 48 > POINTS. > > > MAX POINTS A HOUSE CAN RECEIVE IS 96 AND SUN RECEIVES 48 SO ITS > > > CALLED KRUR OR YOU CAN SAY ALSO ON BORDERLINE. > > > > > > > > Would this then mean that a debilitated Jupiter will be > stronger > > > than exalted Saturn in a hypothetical horoscope and still that > > would > > > be application of principles of Vedic Astrology? I would not > think > > > so. > > > > > > > > ASH : FOR TIMING OF EVENTS ITS IMMETERIAL WHERE GURU IS PLACED > IN > > > WHICH SIGN AND WHERE SHANI IS PLACED. HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE. > YOU > > > ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET USING SIGN > > PLACEMENT > > > AND AS PER ASHTAKVARGA I DONT NEED TO CONSIDER THAT FOR TIMING > OF > > > EVENT. YES SHANI BEING PLACED IN LIBRA HAS MULTIPLICATION > FACTOR > > OF > > > 1.4 AND GURU IN CAPRICORN HAS MULTIPLCATION FACTOR OF 0.8. BUT > > > AGAIN TO TIME AN EVENT I AM EMPHASISING THAT YOU DO NOT NEED THE > > > SIGN PLACEMENT BUT INSTEAD YOU NEED THE FINAL POINTS IN THE > > > WORKSHEET. THAT IS ENOUGH TO TIME THE EVENT. > > > > > > > > MAYBE YOU HAVE NOT COME ACROSS A SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT USE THE > > SAME > > > PRINCIPLES TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET THE WAY YOU USE IT. > SO > > > YOU MAY FIND THIS DIFFERENT OR I CAN EVEN SAY SHOCKING. YOU DO > NOT > > > NEED THE SIGN PLACEMENT TO JUDGE THE STRENGTH, ASHTAKAVARGA > > STRENGTH > > > IS WHATS NEEDED. > > > > > > > > PEOPLE USING SIGN PLACEMENTS MAY INVARIABLY COME TO DIFFERENT > > > CONCULUSIONS JUST AS IN THE CASE THAT YOU AND LAKSHAMI CAME TO. > > ONE > > > SAYS GURU IS STRONGER AND OTHER SAYS SHANI IS STRONGER. WITH > > > ASHTAKVARGA ITS ALL SHOWN BY NUMBERS AND THERE WILL NOT BE ANY > > > ANOMOLY. ALL WILL COME TO THE SAME CONCULUSION. > > > > > > > > EITHER I AM NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OR YOU > ARE > > > NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM SAYING. > > > > > > > > AS PER KAS ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN > > THEIR > > > NEECHA STHAN AS 3 PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A > PLANET > > IS > > > WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3 > > > OTHER HOUSES STRONG AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE > THEM > > > STRONG. SO OVERALL ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP > AND > > > BECOME MORE THAN 12. > > > > > > > > IF PLANETS HAVE > 5 BINDUS THEN THE WILL SEND MALEFIC DRISTI. > > > GURU HAS 56 BINDUS AND GENERALLY IF U DIVIDED THAT BY 12 EACH > HOUSE > > > GETS APPROX 5 BINDUS. SO MOSTLY GURU HAS > 4 BINDUS IN CHART. > SO > > > SUCH GURU WILL MAKE 1 HOUSE STRONG HOWEVER IT WILL REDUCE 3 > > HOUSES. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > My answers in CAPS. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Even by your method of assessing strength from Rasi placement, > > > Saturn is stronger is it not? > > > > > > > > ASH : PLEASE REFER TO THE POST GIVEN BELOW. I HAD WRITTEN A > POST > > > JUST AFTER AND HAVE SAID THAT IT WAS A TYPO. GURU HAS 11 POINTS > > AND > > > SHANI HAS 10. YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE WORKSHEET I HAD GIVEN. > > > BOTH OF THEM ARE MALEFIC FOR 7TH HOUSE MATTERS. BOTH JU AND SA > ON > > > THEIR OWN CANNOT SAY GIVE MARRIAGE A 7TH HOUSE MATTER IN THEIR > > ANTAR. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/message/44680 > > > > > > > > The original thread had nothing to do with timing of events > which > > > you are reverting time and again. > > > > > > > > ASH : AGREED. BUT YOU DID USE ASHTAKVARG AND I AM GIVING MY > VIEW > > > POINT BASED ON ASHTAKAVARGA ON THE BAL OF GURU AND SHANI FOR 7TH > > > HOUSE AND NOT ONLY 7TH HOUSE BUT FOR ALL HOUSE. I HAVE ALSO > GONE > > > AHEAD AND MADE A PREDICTION ON MARRIAGE AND HOW GURU WILL ACT > AND > > > SHANI TOO AS A PART OF MY ANALYSIS. I BELEIVE THE PROOF OF THE > > > PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING THAT IS WHY I MADE A PREDICTION ON > > MARRIAGE > > > SO THAT ITS JUST NOT THEORY BUT ITS APPLICATION. NOW I DO NOT > KNOW > > > HOW MUCH OF WHAT I HAVE PREDICTED IS CORRECT OR WRONG. BUT IN > MY > > > OPINION THE WORKSHEET I HAVE GIVEN HAS CONSIDERED ALL FACTORS > THAT > > > IS NECESSARY AS A TOOL TO TIME EVENTS. > > > > > > > > Since, as I had said earlier, the method you are using is > based > > on > > > Ashtakavarga being used to derive strength of planets my > comments > > on > > > your arguments would not be fair. > > > > > > > > ASH : ANY WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT IT OR USING ANY TOOL GIVEN BY > THE > > > MAHARISHIS AS PER SO MANY TEXTS AND BY MANY AUTHORS THE END > RESULT > > > SHOULD COME OUT TO BE SAME. > > > > > > > > I have all along been illustrating what is the position per > Vedic > > > Astrology. I have already given the reasons why Saturn is with > > > strength. > > > > > > > > ASH : I HAVE ALSO USED VEDIC ASTROLOGY. ASHTAKVARGA IS A > > > WONDERFUL TOOL TO ASCERTAIN THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET WITHOUT ANY > > > DOUBTS. ITS FINAL RESULTS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND IS > CRYSTAL > > > CLEAR. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKING YOU, > > > > > > > > CHEERS !!! > > > > > > > > ASH > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > So when you said Shani is stronger then Guru you had meant for > > 7th > > > > house only ? Is my understanding correct. > > > > > > > > As per the worksheet both Shani and Guru are weak for 7th > house > > > for > > > > Ramesh. Shani has 11 points and Guru has 10. As per the > > > worksheet > > > > any planet having less than 12 is weak for the house. 12 is > > > neutral > > > > and greater than 12 is benefic. Now if you were to get down > to > > > nitty > > > > gritty then I would say that Guru is stronger than Shani by 1 > > > point. > > > > > > > > Guru is in namvasa of Aries and hence samdharmi to Mars and > mars > > > is > > > > not condusive to 7th house matters being 6th lord. Shani is > in > > > libra > > > > who is Lord of 12th house and primary upchaya for 7th house. > > > Venus > > > > and Shani are natural samdharmi. > > > > > > > > Both Sa and Ju are not condusive for timing of events for 7th > > > house. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > > > <boxdel> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > I was referring to your statement that verses not found in > any > > > > book. > > > > > The reason that this is not clear to you is perhaps we are > > > > wandering > > > > > from original thread. For example you are talking about Guru > > > being > > > > > stronger for 10th house where as if I remember right, the > > thread > > > > started > > > > > about Jupiter being strong for 7th house as per Lakshmi's > > > > assessment. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact still remains. The BAV scheme given by Parasara > is > > > > different > > > > > > from Varharamira. This is one point and this is factual. > > One > > > of > > > > them > > > > > > is corrupt. I am saying the scheme Parasara has given has > > > become > > > > > > corrupt over time. The scheme Varharmira has given has > been > > > > preserved > > > > > > in time. The two schemes cannot be different. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not clear to which point you are alluding when you > say > > > that > > > > my > > > > > > information about Parasara and Varharmira is not factual. > > The > > > > BAV > > > > > > scheme given by Parasara is different from Varharamira. > This > > > was > > > > > > visible in Ramesh's chart when you said using parasarsa > BAV > > > > scheme > > > > > > when 7th bhava got 19 bindus and using Varharmiras BAV > scheme > > > it > > > > comes > > > > > > to 20. I am not going into other books. The point that I > am > > > > > > emphasising is that BAV scheme given by Parasara or > > Varharmira > > > or > > > > any > > > > > > other maharishi cannot be different. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakvarga has been commented on by many maharishis as > you > > > have > > > > given > > > > > > but the system of timing of events using Ashtakavarga is > not > > > > given > > > > > > which I beleive was a part of Vedic Astrology was saved > with > > > some > > > > > > families and not known to the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > About the part with which the discussion started is what I > > > agree > > > > with > > > > > > you. There is a part of what Noname is also saying that I > > > agree > > > > with > > > > > > however I beleive that Guru spoils the house its placed in > > due > > > to > > > > its > > > > > > aspect on primary significator houses. By saying Spoilt I > > > mean > > > > it > > > > > > will not give the result in his antra. Also Guru is > > > generally > > > > with > > > > > > more than 5 bindus. Rarely its with < 4 bindus. The more > > > > powerful > > > > > > Guru is the more damage it will do by its aspect. For > Libra > > > > lagna and > > > > > > Cancer lagna Guru is 6th lord and will be very malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart given by No Names grand father also he > commented > > > > that his > > > > > > grand father has Guru in lagna who is powerful and he took > > > > sansaya > > > > > > after early widohood. Again here a powerful guru is > showing > > > its > > > > > > malefic aspect on 7th house. Again guru in lagna made no > > > names > > > > father > > > > > > a famous and person as he was known for his knowledge on > > > > samaveda. > > > > > > Noname has not commented on the effect it had on 9th and > 5th > > > > house but > > > > > > if his guru is very powerful. I am also not aware what > the > > > lagna > > > > is > > > > > > but this can be the sign of a powerful guru in lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > It is good that you at least agree that "GURU ALWAYS > > > ASPECTS > > > > 5TH > > > > > > HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND ITS A PRIMARY > > > > SIGNIFICATOR > > > > > > HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT GIVE RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS > > > PLACED IN > > > > > > GENERALLY." > > > > > > This is the point from which the original discussions > > > started. > > > > > > > > > > > > For your information much detailed interpretation of > > events > > > > > > (Beyond what is explained in BPHS,a although based on > the > > > > > > principles therein) by Ashtakavarga is available in > > > > Phaladeepika, > > > > > > Jataka Parijata, Jatakadesh Marg and umpteen other > > > > astrological > > > > > > texts. So your information about only Parashara and > > Varaha > > > > Mihira > > > > > > is not factual. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> My answers in CAPS. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Dear Ash, > > > > > >> Ashtakavarga system is based on Bindus allotted > to > > > > particular > > > > > >> houses for each of the planet with respect to its > > > > position > > > > > >> from the planet whose Ashtakavarga is being drawn. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ASH : YES AGREED. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The system you are using is based on considering > the > > > > > >> strengths of planets and the Bhavas too. This is > the > > > > system > > > > > >> generally referred as Parashari or more precisely > > > Hora > > > > system > > > > > >> which also encompasses the Ashtakavarga system. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ASH : ASHTAKVARGA IS A PART AND PARCLE OF VEDIC > > > > ASTROLOGY AND > > > > > >> THAT IS WHAT I HAVE ALSO SAID. I HAVE SAID THAT > THE > > > > SYSTEM > > > > > >> TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT GIVEN IN TEXTS AVAILABLE > > > TODAY. > > > > REST > > > > > >> CLARIFICAITON BELOW. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Ashtakavarga is primarily used to find out > effects > > > from > > > > > >> Transit of planets and longevity as made clear in > > > > > >> conversat/i/on/ /between Maitreya and sage > Parashara > > > in > > > > BPHS. > > > > > >> Ashtakavarga system is clearly defined in that > text. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ASH : THIS IS WHAT THE MISCONCEPTION IS. BASED > ON > > > THE > > > > TEXTS > > > > > >> AVAILABLE TODAY. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT > > ASHTAKVARG > > > IS > > > > USED > > > > > >> ONLY FOR FINDING OUT TRANSIT. IS THAT WHY > PARASARA > > > HAS > > > > SAID > > > > > >> THAT TO USE ASHTAKAVARGA FOR INTELLECUTAL PYGMIES > OF > > > > KALIYUGA > > > > > >> ? I DO NOT THINK SO SIR. THE SYSTEM OF > ASHTAKVARGA > > > IS > > > > VERY > > > > > >> DETAILED AND KAS AND VERSES OF ASHTAKAVARGA HAVE > > BEEN > > > > BROUGHT > > > > > >> FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH ARE NOT FOUND IN ANY > BOOK > > > > TODAY. > > > > > >> IF YOU CLAIM THAT BHPS IS COMPLETE AND THAT ALL > THAT > > > IS > > > > > >> AVAILABLE ABOUT ASHTAKVARGA IS FOUND AND CODED > AND > > > THERE > > > > IS > > > > > >> NO CORRUPTION THEN I WILL NOT INDULGE YOU ANY > > > FURTHER. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> No doubt the system can be adopted to various > other > > > > > >> predictions, as it indicates influences on > various > > > > bhavas. > > > > > >> Its various uses have been well documented in > > > numerous > > > > texts > > > > > >> besides BPHS and the very short description of > > > > Varahamihira. > > > > > >> The assumption that its use is not mentioned for > > > > different > > > > > >> uses in any other text but the two you mentioned > is > > > not > > > > > >> factually correct. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS USING ASHTAKVARGA > IS > > > NOT > > > > > >> GIVEN CLEARLY IS IN ANY TEXTS. THAT IS WHAT I AM > > > > SAYING. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Krushna has developed different parameters and as > > > long > > > > as the > > > > > >> system delivers results there should be no issue > > with > > > > that. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ASH : HERE I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT KRUSHNAJI HAS > NOT > > > > > >> DEVELOPED DIFFERENT PARAMETERS AND THIS SYSTEM. > HE > > > HAD > > > > > >> BROUGHT IT FORWARD. THIS SYSTEM WAS KEPT IN > FAMILY > > > OF > > > > HIS > > > > > >> GURU AND THAT WAS TRANSMITTED FROM FATHER TO > SON. > > > > KRUSHNAJI > > > > > >> WANTED THIS SYSTEM TO REMAIN IN THIS WORLD. THIS > > > SYSTEM > > > > MUST > > > > > >> HAVE BEEN IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE FOR CENTURIES. IF > ONE > > > > > >> UNDERSTANDS THIS SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS MAYBE WHAT > > AND > > > > WHY I > > > > > >> AM INDULDING YOU IN THIS THREAD WILL BECOME > CLEAR. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> It is easy to say that Parashara and > Varahamihira's > > > > texts > > > > > >> are corrupted, and they could be. But that does > not > > > prove > > > > > >> that the bindus used are wrong especially as most > of > > > > other > > > > > >> parameters that you mention are drawn from these > > very > > > > texts. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING > > > ASHTAKAVARGA > > > > IS > > > > > >> NOT DIFFERENT FROM VEDIC ASTROLOGY. INFACT VEDIC > > > > ASTROLOGY > > > > > >> IS MADE CLEAR WITH THE PROPER USE OF ASHTAKAVARGA > > AND > > > > KAS. I > > > > > >> DO NOT THINK PARASARA LIGHTLY MENTIONED THE USE OF > > > > > >> ASHTAKAVARGA FOR US PEOPLE IN KALI YUGA. A LOT OF > > > > > >> ASHTAKVARGA AND SANSKRIT SHLOKAS HAVE BEEN LOST. > > > THIS IS > > > > > >> WHAT I AM SAYING OR KEPT WITH FAMILES TILL > SOMEONE > > > LIKE > > > > > >> KRUSHNAJI COMES ALONG AND BRINGS SUCH TECHNIQUES > > > > FORWARD. > > > > > >> ITS A BIG CREDIT TO KRUSHNAJI FOR BRINGING > FORWARD > > > THIS > > > > > >> SYSTEM WITH HAS MADE TIMING OF EVENTS SO EASY. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> It is well known that Varaha Mihira was > influenced > > by > > > > Greek > > > > > >> astrologers and has adopted some of their > methods, > > so > > > the > > > > > >> bindus that he attributes could also have come > from > > > them. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ASH : ONE THING. BAV IS BAV AND BASIC SCHEME > > SHOUL.D > > > BE > > > > > >> SAME. ONLY IN BAV OF MOON AND VENUS THERE IS A > > > > DIFFERENCE. > > > > > >> PARASARA AND VARHARMIRA CANNOT HAVE DIFFERENT > > > OPINIONS. > > > > > >> EITHER PARASARA'S SCHEME IS CORRUPT OR > > > VARHARMIRAS'S. > > > > AT THE > > > > > >> END OF THE DAY BOTH MUST MATCH. SO ITS INFACT > QUITE > > > > EASY TO > > > > > >> SAY THAT EITHER PARSARAS OR VARHARMIRAS BAV IS > > > CORRPUT. > > > > I AM > > > > > >> CONFIDENT THAT VARHRMAIRAS HAS REMAINED IN TACT > OVER > > > THE > > > > > >> CENTURIES AND PARASARAS BAV SCHME IS CORRPUT. IN > > ANY > > > > CASE I > > > > > >> WILL GO BY WHAT KRUSHNAJI HAS TAUGHT ME AS THIS > > > SYSTEM > > > > WAS > > > > > >> KEPT IN HIS GURUS FAMILY AND HE HAS USED THAT FOR > > > DECADES > > > > > >> WITH CORRECT PREDICTIONS. SO ITS TIME TESTED BY > HIS > > > > GURUS > > > > > >> LINEAGE. I AM IN NO POSITION TO MAKE ANY > JUDGEMENT > > > BUT > > > > CAN > > > > > >> SAY THAT I AM USNIG VARHARMIRAS SCHEME. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Since you give equal importance to Navamsha and > Rasi > > > > whereas > > > > > >> I go by the old time system of planetary > strength > > > being > > > > > >> derived from Navamsha, it might not be possible > for > > > you > > > > to > > > > > >> follow my meaning and reasons behind attributing > more > > > > > >> strength to Saturn over Jupiter. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ASH : I AM FINDING STRENGTH USING ASHTAKVARGA BUT > > FOR > > > > EACH > > > > > >> PLANET AND FOR EACH HOUSE. YOU ARE ALSO TRYING > TO > > > FIND > > > > THE > > > > > >> STRENGH BUT I AM NOT CLEAR WHEN YOU SAY SHANI IS > > > STRONGER > > > > > >> THAN GURU BUT FOR WHAT ? IS IT FOR EVENT OR ALL > 12 > > > > HOUSES ? > > > > > >> JUST SAYING STRONGER IS VERY GENERAL. IF I WERE > TO > > > ASK > > > > YOU > > > > > >> IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH HOUSE OR 10TH > > > HOUSE. > > > > > >> THIS IS HOW I AM SEETNG THINGS. AS PER THE > WORKSHEET > > > > > >> STRENGTH GURU IS FAR BETTER FOR 10TH HOUSE AS > > > COMPARED TO > > > > > >> SHANI HOWEVER SHANI IS FAR STRONGER THAN GURU FOR > > 4TH > > > > HOUSE > > > > > >> MATTERS. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The question of strength of the two planets was > > > raised by > > > > > >> Lakshmi and I was responding to that. I so far as > > > > influence > > > > > >> over all 12 Rasis comment is concerned, Vedic > > > astrology > > > > does > > > > > >> think that planets have influence over all Bhavas > > and > > > > other > > > > > >> planets and the way the results would manifest > > depend > > > on > > > > > >> their mutual relation. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ASH : EXACTLY. HERE IN LIES THE ESSENCE OF WHAT > I > > > WAS > > > > SAYING > > > > > >> OR TRYING TO SAY FOR SO LONG. THE BEAUTY OF IS > THAT > > > SAV > > > > > >> ALREADY TAKES CARE OF MUTUAL RELATIONS SO IT > BECOMES > > > > > >> IMPERATIVE THAT BAV IS ACCURATE AS SAV AS U KNOW > IS > > > > DERIVED > > > > > >> FROM BAV. THAT WAS MY COMMENT ON COMPOUNDING OF > > > ERRORS. > > > > > >> THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU SAY THAT SHANI IS STRONGER > THAN > > > GURU > > > > > >> CONFUSES ME BECAUSE YES FOR 4TH HOUSE SHANI IS > > > STRONGER > > > > THAN > > > > > >> GURU BUT NOT FOR 10TH HOUSE. HERE I AM BEING > VERY > > > > SPECIFIC. > > > > > >> SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOUR COMMENT ON SHANI > BEING > > > > STRONGER > > > > > >> THAN GURU WAS CONSIDERING ALL 12 HOUSES AND THE > > MUTUAL > > > > > >> PLACMENT FOR ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT TO EACH > > > OTHER ? > > > > IF SO > > > > > >> THEN I AM VERY SURE THAT YOU WILL COME TO THE > SAME > > > > CONCLUSION > > > > > >> USING WHATEVER WAY YOU USE TO FIND THE STRENGH OF > > > SHANI > > > > AND > > > > > >> GURU I.E NAVAMSA, D CHARTS OR YOGAS ETC WITH WHAT > I > > > HAVE > > > > > >> SHOWN IN THE WORKSHEET. THEN IF YOU COMPARE > SHANI > > > AND > > > > GURU > > > > > >> FOR EACH HOUSE WE WILL HAVE A MORE STRONGER BASIS > FOR > > > > > >> COMPARISION. BUT STILL JUST USING THE WORD > STRONGER > > > I > > > > AM NOT > > > > > >> CLEAR OR AM NOT FOLLOWING. THE QUETSIONS THAT > COMES > > > TO > > > > MY > > > > > >> MIND .. STRONGER FOR WHAT OR WHICH HOUSE OR > WHICH > > > > EVENT ? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> About not considering Navamsha strength, I am not > > > able to > > > > > >> follow what you are saying. On the one hand you > say > > > that > > > > > >> these being equal you do not consider Navamsha in > > > > worksheet > > > > > >> and that you only use Navamsha to find samdharmi > and > > > on > > > > the > > > > > >> other hand you say that my contention is not > > correct/. > > > > > >> / > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ASH : RASI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL STATUS AS PER > THE > > > > TEACHINGS > > > > > >> OF KAS. NAVAMSA IS DERIVED FROM RASI. FOR THE > > > STRENGH > > > > AND > > > > > >> WORKSHEET ONLY RASI IS NEEDED. IF IN CASE OF > DOUBT > > > YOU > > > > CAN > > > > > >> GO INTO D-CHARTS AND FIND OUT FROM THAT. I HAVE > > > > DEMONTRATED > > > > > >> WITH AN EXAMPLE OF RAMESH'S MARRIAGE. I WOULD > HOPE > > > THAT > > > > > >> LAKSHMI WOULD COMMENT ON THIS PART. I HAVE NOT > SAID > > > > THAT YOU > > > > > >> ARE NOT CORRECT. YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND THE > > STRENGTH > > > > ALSO > > > > > >> FROM NAVAMSA. AS PER KAS I FIND THE STRENGTH > FROM > > > > WORKSHEET > > > > > >> WHICH IS FROM RASHI. FOR D-CHARTS I CAST > WORKSHEET > > > BUT > > > > ONLY > > > > > >> PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE. WE DO NOT CONSIDER > > > ASPECTS > > > > > >> PART. SO ONLY TOP PORTION OF WORKSHEET IS > USED. > > WE > > > > BOTH > > > > > >> ARE FINDING STRENGTH AND I AM USING AV FROM RASI > AND > > > YOU > > > > ARE > > > > > >> PROBABLY USING RASI/NAVAMSA/D CHARTS ETC AND SIGN > > > > PLACEMENT > > > > > >> TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Again you are talking about timing of events and > the > > > > original > > > > > >> thread is about Guru's capacity to harm the > house > > > > occupied > > > > > >> by it/./ > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ASH : FOR ME THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF QUESTION. > AS > > PER > > > > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM PLANETS THAT ASPECT > > > PRIMARY > > > > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES I.E. 8TH FROM HOUSE UNDER > FOCUS, > > > 5TH > > > > FROM > > > > > >> HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND HOUSE UNDER FOCUS FOR > EXAMPLE > > > FOR > > > > > >> READERS IF YOU ARE TIMING MARRIAGE THEN 2ND, 7TH > AND > > > > 11TH AND > > > > > >> IF ANY PLANET HAS ASPECT ON THESE HOUSES THEN > THEY > > > WILL > > > > NOT > > > > > >> GIVE RESULT IN THEIR ANTRA BUT THEIR SAMDHARMI > WILL > > > GIVE > > > > > >> RESULT AND THE EXCEPTION IS THAT IF THE PLANET IS > > > LORD OF > > > > > >> 10TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS OR 6TH THEN IT WILL > GIVE. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS > > > PLACED > > > > IN > > > > > >> AND ITS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE SO GURU WILL > > NOT > > > > GIVE > > > > > >> RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN GENERALLY. > ONLY > > > > EXCEPTION > > > > > >> IS THAT IF GURU IS IN PISCES SO SUCH A GURU WILL > > GIVE > > > THE > > > > > >> RESULT OF TIMING OF EVENT. SIMILARLY FOR MARS. > I > > > THINK > > > > ALSO > > > > > >> SOMETHING SIMILAR IS SAID FOR MARS AS PER VEDIC > > > TEXTS. > > > > MARS > > > > > >> ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN > AND > > > 8TH > > > > HOUSE > > > > > >> SO AS PER VEDIC TEXTS ITS ALSO SAID THAT MARS > SPOILS > > > THE > > > > > >> HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. FOR SHANI IT DOES NOT > ASPECT > > > ANY > > > > OF THE > > > > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES WHEREEVER ITS PLACED SO ITS > NOT > > > SAID > > > > TO > > > > > >> SPOIL THE HOUSE AND WILL DELIVER THE RESULT IF IT > > HAS > > > > POWER > > > > > >> AS PER WORKSHEET. SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN NOTED IN > > TEXTS > > > AS > > > > JU > > > > > >> SPOILS THE HOUSE IT IS PLACED IN AND SHANI DOES > > NOT. > > > > MARS > > > > > >> ALSO CAN BE SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE IT IS IN > HOWEVER > > > THE > > > > > >> EXCEPTIONS FOR ALL IS IF THE SAME PLANET ALSO > RULES > > > 10TH > > > > AND > > > > > >> 6TH FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN IT WILL GIVE THE > > > > RESULT. > > > > > >> THIS CAN BE CHECKED AND I AM SURE IT WILL > VALIDATE > > > WITH > > > > YOUR > > > > > >> EXCEPTIONS. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> SO I AM NOT TAKING PART IN THE DISCUSSION AS FOR > ME > > > > > >> PERSONALLY THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCUSS. THE > BASICS > > > OF > > > > SUCH > > > > > >> THINGS ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR AND CONSIDERED BY THE > RULES > > > OF > > > > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAVARGA SYSTEM. I AM VERY GLAD > HOWEVER > > > TO > > > > SEE > > > > > >> THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THIS TOPIC. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ANOTHER THING, GURU IS A HYOCRATIC PLANET. > WHENEVER > > > ONE > > > > > >> TRIES TO POTRAY GURU AS BAD THERE WILL BE > > > RESISTANCE. > > > > THIS > > > > > >> IS THE POWER OF GURU. I AM SITTING BACK AND > READING > > > WITH > > > > > >> INTEREST AND SEEING THE MAYA GURU CREATES. FUNNY > > ITS > > > > EASIER > > > > > >> TO BLAME SHANI FOR THINGS AND POTRAY IT AS BAD > BUT > > > > INFACT ITS > > > > > >> SHANI WHO IS THE PLANET OF TRUTH. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> SUCH THIGNS ARE HARD FOR PEOPLE TO DIGEST AND YOU > > ARE > > > > GETTING > > > > > >> SO MUCH OF EXPLAINING TO DO. THIS ITSELF PROVES > MY > > > > POINT AND > > > > > >> YOUR POINT ALSO. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Anyway let us await Lakshmi's comment about your > > > > > >> observation on Mercury Antar, though this is not > > part > > > of > > > > the > > > > > >> original discussions. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ASH : YES, IT WILL BE NICE IF LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT > ON > > > THE > > > > > >> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH IF IT HAPPENED IN MERCURY > ANTRA > > AS > > > PER > > > > > >> KAY. IF THE DATE IS GIVEN IT WILL BE BETTER. > THIS > > > WILL > > > > > >> PROVE THE POWER OF THE PLANET AS PER WORKSHEET TO > > > > DELIVER THE > > > > > >> RESULTS AFTER FINDING OUT THE DELAY FROM RASHI > AND > > > > NAVAMSA AS > > > > > >> BOTH HAVE SIMILAR STATUS AS PER KAS. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> THANK YOU FOR THIS DICUSSION, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> CHEERS !!! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ASH > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Regards, > > > > > >> Chandrashekhar. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Ash wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > >>> My answers in CAPS below. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Dear Ash, > > > > > >>> I forgot that you are using Krushna's > > > Ashtakavarga > > > > > >>> system. In that case you must be using > Krushna's > > > > > >>> Ayanamsha. The system you are using is a > > > > combination of > > > > > >>> Ashtakavarga and traditional Graha Bhava > Bala > > > > system. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> ASH : THE SYSTEM I USE IS KRUSHNAS > ASHTAKVARG > > > AND > > > > ITS > > > > > >>> PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY. I DONT KNOW WHAT U > > > MEAN BY > > > > > >>> GRAHA BHAVA BALA SYSTEM. IN SHORT WE CAN > > > COMPUTE > > > > THE > > > > > >>> STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY > > HOUSE > > > AND > > > > > >>> ALSO FOR ALL 16 D CHARTS. SO ITS VEDIC > > > ASTROLOGY > > > > ONLY > > > > > >>> AND NOT DIFFERENT. AS PER KAS WE DO NOT > TALK > > IN > > > > GENERAL > > > > > >>> TERMS AS SHANI IS STRONG OR WEAK BUT WE CAN > GO > > > INTO > > > > > >>> DETAILS AS PER POINTS AND FIND OUT HOW A > PLANET > > > > WILL ACT > > > > > >>> FOR EACH HOUSE. IN MOST CASES PLANETS DO > NOT > > > ACT > > > > BAD > > > > > >>> FOR ALL HOUSES. IN SHANI ANTRA AS PER > RAMESH'S > > > > CHART IT > > > > > >>> WILL BE GOOD FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AS > COMPARED > > > TO > > > > GURU'S > > > > > >>> ANTRA FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AT THE SAME TIME > > FOR > > > > 10TH > > > > > >>> HOUSE MATTESR GURU WILL BE MUCH STRONGER > THAN > > > SHANI > > > > AS > > > > > >>> YOU CAN SEE AS PER POINTS. ABOUT NAVAMSA I > > SHALL > > > > > >>> COMMENT BELOW. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> There is no harm in using it as long as > results > > > come > > > > > >>> true. However it is not a different > > Ashtakavarga > > > > system > > > > > >>> per se. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> ASH : ASHTAKVARG IS ASHTAKVARG AND HOW TO > USE > > IT > > > IS > > > > NOT > > > > > >>> GIVEN CLEARLY IN ANY TEXTS. PEOPLE ARE > UNDER > > THE > > > > > >>> IMPRESSION BASED ON CURRENT TEXTS THAT ITS > USED > > > TO > > > > TIME > > > > > >>> DEATH OR ITS USE IS LIMITED TO TRANSITS > WHICH > > IS > > > NOT > > > > > >>> CORRECT. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT I TRY TO > > SAY > > > AND > > > > > >>> EXPLAIN WHEN PEOPLE COMMENT ON ASHTAKVARGA > AND > > > ITS > > > > USED > > > > > >>> ONLY IN TRANSITS. THE WHOLE SYSTEM IN WHICH > > ITS > > > > USED TO > > > > > >>> TIME EVENTS IS NOT WRITTEN IN ANY BOOK OR > > > CLASSICS > > > > > >>> DESPITE MANY MAHARISHIS LIKE PARASARA, > > > VARHARAMIRA > > > > ETC > > > > > >>> HAVE ALL MENTIONED ASHTAKVARGA IN THEIR > TEXTS. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I was talking about a different Ashtakavarga > > > system > > > > that > > > > > >>> you had suggested exists. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> ASH : I HAVE NOT SUGGESTED ANYTHING OF THAT > > > KIND. > > > > > >>> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM IS A SYSTEM IN > > WHICH > > > WE > > > > USE > > > > > >>> ASHTAKVARGA TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF EACH > PLANET > > > FOR > > > > EACH > > > > > >>> HOUSE. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY SYSTEM > OUT > > > THERE > > > > > >>> THAT DOES THAT. RESULTS CAN BE SEEN AT A > > > GLANCE. > > > > FOR > > > > > >>> EXAMPLE RAMESHS MARRIAGE MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED > > > DURING > > > > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA. MERCURY HAS THE HIGHEST > > STRENGTH > > > IN > > > > THE > > > > > >>> CHART FOR 7TH HOUSE. AND IS LOD OR 10TH LORD > > > FROM > > > > 7TH > > > > > >>> HOUSE. MAHADAHSA CAN BE THAT OF SHANI. > SHANI > > IS > > > > > >>> SAMDHARMI TO NAKTURAL KARAK VENUS OF > MARRIAGE. > > > SO > > > > SHANI > > > > > >>> MD/ MERCURY AD CAN GIVE MARRIAGE. THERE ARE > 2 > > > > ZEROES IN > > > > > >>> BAV ONE DUE TO VENUS AND OTHER DUE TO MARS > AND > > > > MERCURY > > > > > >>> SO RESULT WILL BE IN LAST SECTOR OF MERCURY > > > ANTRA. > > > > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA RUNS IN SHANI MD RUNS FROM > > 1983/11 > > > > THRU > > > > > >>> 1986/JULY. 3RD SECTOR STARTS 1985/07 THRU > > > > 1986/07. I > > > > > >>> AM NOT GOING FURTHER. IF THIS IS IN THE > BALL > > > PARK > > > > ITS > > > > > >>> GOOD AND ONE CAN NARROW IT DOWN FURTHER WITH > > SUNS > > > > > >>> TRANSIT OVER STRONG SIGNIFICATORS FOR 7TH > HOUSE > > > AS > > > > PER > > > > > >>> THE WORKSHEET POINTS. MAYBE LAKSHMI CAN > VERIFY > > > > WHEN HER > > > > > >>> MARRIAGE TOOK PLACE WITH RAMESH. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Varahamihira does have a slightly different > > bindu > > > > > >>> placement no doubt yet it is only different > by > > > way > > > > of > > > > > >>> allowing Lagna to have one more bindu of > > > influence > > > > for > > > > > >>> some planet's Ashtakavarga. So it might not > > mean > > > > that > > > > > >>> other planet is getting a bindu less. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> ASH : THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT > > > SCHEME > > > > THAT > > > > > >>> IS IN TEXTS TODAY AVAILABLE GIVEN AS PER > > > PARASARA > > > > AND > > > > > >>> WHATS GIVEN OR PRESERVED FROM VARHARAMIRA. > > BOTH > > > ARE > > > > > >>> GREAT SAGES AND THEIR BAV SCHEMES MUST BE > SAME. > > > > > >>> PARASARAS HAS BEEN CORRPUT OVER TIME. THE > > > > DIFFERENCES > > > > > >>> IN IN BAV FOR MOONS PLACMENT FROM MOON AND > GURU > > > AND > > > > > >>> VENUS FROM MARS. THIS HAS VERY DEEP MEANING > > AND > > > > SAYING > > > > > >>> FOR EXAMPLE IF VENUS GETS POWER IF IN 4TH > FROM > > > MARS > > > > AND > > > > > >>> IF VENUS IS NOT GETTING POWER OR A BINDU IF > IN > > > 4TH > > > > FROM > > > > > >>> MARS HAS A BIG DIFFERENCE. THERE ARE ONLY > 337 > > > > POINTS > > > > > >>> AND IT WOULD MEAN THAT IF AS IN THE CASE OF > > > RAMESHES > > > > > >>> CHART IF HIS 7TH BHAVA GETS 19TH IT MEANS > THAT > > > THAT > > > > 1 > > > > > >>> BINDU OF FROM THE POOL OF 337 HAS GONE TO > SOME > > > OTHER > > > > > >>> HOUSE. IF A PLANET IS IN THAT HOUSE IT MAY > GET > > > 1 > > > > BINDU > > > > > >>> MORE STRENGTH AND IT MAY CHANGE THE ENTIRE > > > CHART. > > > > IF > > > > > >>> THAT PLANET IS IN 4TH FROM A MALEFIC PLANET > (BY > > > > MALEFIC > > > > > >>> I MEAN A PLANET WITH < 4 BINDUS EXCEPT MOON) > > AND > > > IF > > > > THAT > > > > > >>> PLANET WERE TO GET STRNGTH THEN THAT PLANET > > > WOULD > > > > BECOME > > > > > >>> VERY STRONG FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT WOULD > > > CHANGE > > > > THE > > > > > >>> ENTIRE COMPLEXION OF THE CHART. WITH > ASKTAVARG > > > WE > > > > ARE > > > > > >>> VERY PARTICULAR AND THIS IS NOT A TRIVIAL > > > MATTER. 1 > > > > > >>> BINDUS CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I said 19 Bindus as the chart sent by Dear > > > Lakshmi > > > > was > > > > > >>> in that format. Varahamihira has exactly 8 > > > shlokas > > > > on > > > > > >>> Ashtakavarga and his is not a different > system. > > > He > > > > only > > > > > >>> has a different opinion about which places > are > > > > > >>> influenced by Lagna in case of some of the > > > planets. > > > > > >>> Parashara has, on the other hand, > exhaustively > > > dealt > > > > > >>> with Ashtakavarga. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> ASH : THIS IS NOT TRUE. BAV SCHEMES HAVE TO > > > > MATCH. I > > > > > >>> DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BY > > SYSTEMS. > > > THE > > > > > >>> CORE AND BASIC OF ASHTAKVARG SYSTEM IS THE > BAV > > > > POINTS. > > > > > >>> IF PARASARA IS SAYING THAT MOON IS NOT > GIVING > > > > STRENGTH > > > > > >>> TO 9TH BHAVA WHEAREAS VARHARAMIRA IS SAYING > IT > > > > DOES. > > > > > >>> THIS IS HUGE DIFFERECE OUT HERE. SIMILARLY > > MOON > > > IS > > > > > >>> BENEFIC IN 2ND FROM GURU AND VARHARAMIRA IS > > > SAYING > > > > THAT > > > > > >>> 1 BINDUS STRENGTH IS NOT GIVEN. THIS IS THE > > > > BASIC. YOU > > > > > >>> JUST CANNOT SAY THAT THE DIFFERENCE OF > OPINION > > IS > > > > > >>> "ONLY". THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. IMAGINE A > > > SYSTEM > > > > THAT > > > > > >>> IS USED ACCURATELY FOR TIMING OF EVENTS THE > SAV > > > > VALUES > > > > > >>> FROM WHICH THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANEST AND > FOR > > > EACH > > > > AND > > > > > >>> EVERY HOUSE IS COMPUTED AND ITS BASED ON SAV > > AND > > > > SAV IS > > > > > >>> BASED ON BAV. IN THE LEAST WHAT YOU ARE > SAYING > > > > MIGHT > > > > > >>> SURMOUNT TO COMPOUNDING OF ERROR. ACTUALLY > IF > > > YOU > > > > STUDY > > > > > >>> HOW ONE COMES TO THE POINTS THAT I HAVE > > > DISPLAYED > > > > IN MY > > > > > >>> PREVIOUS MAILS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND > WHY > > > I > > > > AM SO > > > > > >>> PICKY WITH THIS DISTRIBUTION OF BAV AND > > STICKING > > > TO > > > > > >>> VARHARAMIRA. IF WE DIFFER ON THIS VIEW WE > CAN > > > > AGREE TO > > > > > >>> DISAGREE. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I have already given the reason I think > Saturn > > is > > > > > >>> stronger than Guru in reply to Lakshmi. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> ASH : YES, I DID READ YOUR INTERSTING > COMMENT > > > BUT I > > > > WAS > > > > > >>> NOT CLEAR ON WHAT YOU MEANT BY STRONGER. > > > STRONGER > > > > FOR > > > > > >>> WHAT EVENTS ? DID U MEAN STRONGER FOR > > DELIVERING > > > > > >>> RESULTS OR ALL 12 HOUSES. CAN YOU BE MORE > > > > SPECIFIC. > > > > > >>> WHEN I GAVE THE POINTS I AM BEING VERY > SPECIFIC > > > AND > > > > > >>> COMPARING GURU WITH SHANI FOR ALL 12 > HOUSES. I > > > AM > > > > BEING > > > > > >>> SPECIFIC IN SAYING THAT IN GURU ANTRA RAMESH > > > WILL > > > > HAVE > > > > > >>> MORE AUTHORITY AS COMPARED TO SHANI. GURU > IS > > IN > > > > UPCAHYA > > > > > >>> FROM 10TH HOUSE AND WITH 5 BINDUS. SO ITS > VERY > > > > EAGER TO > > > > > >>> GIVE 2ND AND 10TH HOUSE MATTERS. SHANI IS > > EAGER > > > TO > > > > GIVE > > > > > >>> RESULTS FOR 12TH, 4TH, 11TH, AND 3RD HOUSE > IN > > ITS > > > > > >>> ANTRA. CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC. I DO NOT > > > THINK > > > > SHANI > > > > > >>> IS BAD FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE AND NEITHER > IS > > > GURU > > > > IN > > > > > >>> HIS ANTRA. AGAIN I AM RESTRICTING THE > RESULTS > > > TO > > > > THE > > > > > >>> ANTRA. I THINK IF U ARE MORE SPECIFIC THEN > WE > > > > MIGHT BE > > > > > >>> SAYING THE SAME THING BUT FROM A DIFFERENT > VIEW > > > > POINT. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> The reason it is not reflected in the table > > > given > > > > by you > > > > > >>> is,as you have indicated Navamsha strength > of > > > > planets is > > > > > >>> not considered in the system you are using. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> ASH : THIS IS INCORRECT. THE STRENGTH IS > > > DERIVED > > > > FROM > > > > > >>> RASHI AND THE WORKSHEET POINTS ARE FROM > RASHI > > > ONLY. > > > > > >>> NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS AS COMPARED TO > RASHI. > > > WE > > > > USE > > > > > >>> NAVAMSA FOR FINDING OUT THE SAMDHARMIS AND > ALSO > > > > DELAY. > > > > > >>> ALL COMBINATIONS HAVE TO BE CHECKED FROM > BOTH > > > RASI > > > > AND > > > > > >>> NAVAMSA. BUT FOR FINDING OUT THE STRENGH OF > > > PLANET > > > > ITS > > > > > >>> DONE FROM RASI. A WORKSHEET FOR EACH > > DIVISIONAL > > > > CHART > > > > > >>> IS ALSO CASTED. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Using Krushna's Ayanamsha the Navamsha > > placement > > > of > > > > > >>> planets could also change. If you apply the > > > strength > > > > > >>> from Navamsha as given in the chart provided > by > > > > Lakshmi, > > > > > >>> you will see my view point. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> ASH : IT WILL NOT CHANGE THINGS. I CHECKED > > AFTER > > > > > >>> READING THIS COMMENT. IN BOTH CASES USING > > > KRUSHNAS > > > > > >>> AYANAMSA AND LAHIRI SHANI REMAINS IN LIBRA > IN > > > > NAVAMSA SO > > > > > >>> ITS SAMDHARMI TO VENUS. IT WILL REPLACE > VENUS > > > FOR > > > > THE > > > > > >>> HOUSE THAT VENUS IS UNABLE TO DELIVER > RESULTS. > > > THE > > > > > >>> POSITION OF MARS CHANGES IN LAGNA THOUGH. > > MAYBE > > > IF > > > > U > > > > > >>> SEE THINGS WITH MARS BEING IN 12TH INSTEAD > OF > > > 11TH > > > > YOU > > > > > >>> MAY SEE MY VIEW POINT. AGAIN I AM > EMPHASISING > > > ON > > > > THE > > > > > >>> FACT THAT STRENGTH OR THE WORKSHEET THAT I > GAVE > > > IS > > > > > >>> COMPUTED FROM RASHI ONLY AND SAMDHARMIS IS > > > COMPUTED > > > > FROM > > > > > >>> RASHI AND NAVAMSA. RASHI AND NAVAMSA HAVE > > EQUAL > > > > STATUS > > > > > >>> AS PER KAS AND WE FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES FOR > > > FINDING > > > > > >>> DELAY. I HAVE DEMONSTRATED IN THIS MAIL > > > REGARDING > > > > > >>> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH WITH LAKSHMI. FOR THAT I > > HAVE > > > > > >>> COMPUTED DELAY FOR MARRIAGE USING 2 ZEROES, > AND > > > > SHANI > > > > > >>> ASPECTING PRIMIARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES FROM > > > RASHI > > > > AND > > > > > >>> THEIR LORDS IN NAVAMSA AND USING WORKSHEET > > > STRENGTH > > > > I > > > > > >>> HAVE COMPUTED THE TIME FRAME. IT WILL BE > > > > INTERSTING IF > > > > > >>> LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON THE SAME. THERE IS A > > > SLIGHT > > > > > >>> DIFFERENCE IN THE WORKSHEET. SOME HOW IN > HASTE > > > MY > > > > > >>> AYANAMSA CHANGE BUT IT WILL NOT MAKE A > > > DIFFERENCE > > > > FOR > > > > > >>> MARRAIGE. HERE IS THE CORRECTED VERSION OF > THE > > > > > >>> WORKSHEET. MERCURY STILL HAS 18 POINTS FOR > 7TH > > > > HOUSE > > > > > >>> AND MOSTLY ALL HOUSES. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> *Hse* *SAV Pt* *Su* > > *Mo* > > > *Ma* > > > > *Me* *Ju* *Ve* *Sa* > > > > > >>> *1* 25 17 20 > 12 > > > 20 11 > > > > 7 10 > > > > > >>> *2* 23 9 16 14 > > > 22 22 > > > > 14 12 > > > > > >>> *3* 31 16 15 > 12 > > > 11 4 > > > > 14 7 > > > > > >>> *4* 26 11 17 7 > > > 23 7 > > > > 10 23 > > > > > >>> *5* 32 12 23 9 > > > 19 16 > > > > 22 15 > > > > > >>> *6* 32 18 16 > 18 > > > 21 5 > > > > 8 11 > > > > > >>> *7* 20 10 14 9 > > > 18 11 > > > > 18 10 > > > > > >>> *8* 19 22 12 9 > > > 25 4 > > > > 17 10 > > > > > >>> *9* 28 8 12 14 > > > 7 5 > > > > 21 3 > > > > > >>> *10* 34 17 13 > 7 > > > 16 21 > > > > 16 4 > > > > > >>> *11* 38 16 15 > 15 > > > 21 4 > > > > 15 19 > > > > > >>> *12* 29 10 14 > 11 > > > 9 8 > > > > 14 15 > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> THANKING YOU, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> CHEERS !!! > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> ASH > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Regards, > > > > > >>> Chandrashekhar. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Ash wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi, > > > > > >>>> There is a difference between a house > getting > > > 20 > > > > bindus > > > > > >>>> and a house getting 19 bindus as you are > > > aware. I > > > > > >>>> agree both are weak with 20 bindus being a > > > stronger > > > > > >>>> than 19 bindus. At the same token if a > bhave > > > gets > > > > 1 > > > > > >>>> bindu more it means one other house is > getting > > > 1 > > > > bindu > > > > > >>>> less. > > > > > >>>> It also means that some planet has made a > > > > favourable > > > > > >>>> yog w.r.t one house and not with another. > Is > > > it > > > > not ? > > > > > >>>> I use Krushnas Ashtakvarga system as you > are > > > also > > > > aware. > > > > > >>>> In that SAV is the base from that we derive > the > > > > > >>>> strength of each planet for each and every > > > house > > > > and > > > > > >>>> also for each and every 16 divisional > chart. > > > When > > > > > >>>> casting the worksheet the aspects are not > > > > considered in > > > > > >>>> the D charts only the basis strength. > > > > > >>>> The BAV values given by Parasara in my > opinion > > > have > > > > > >>>> become corrupt. The BAV distribution > scheme by > > > > > >>>> Varharamira is correct. The settings are > also > > > > given in > > > > > >>>> JHL software where you tick off the check > > boxes > > > in > > > > the > > > > > >>>> lite version. If you use the option of > > > > Varharamira you > > > > > >>>> will get 20 bindus for 7th house. It would > be > > > > good to > > > > > >>>> understand if you have intentionally used > > > > Parasara's > > > > > >>>> scheme of BAV or generally use Varharmiras > > > > scheme ? > > > > > >>>> To come to the final stength of each and > every > > > > planet > > > > > >>>> for each house . > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Here is the final strength of planet for > > > Ramesh's > > > > chart. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> These are total strength of the planets and > > > > derived by > > > > > >>>> considering the following. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> 1) 4:10 > > > > > >>>> 2) Addition of 5 points for LoD and LoE or > > 10th > > > > lord > > > > > >>>> and 6th lord from house under consideration > > > > > >>>> 3) Planets in 10th and 6th hosue from house > > > under > > > > > >>>> consideration with > 4 bindus. > > > > > >>>> 4) Planets aspecting primary significator > > house > > > i.e > > > > > >>>> Karak, phal and phalit sthans. > > > > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspects on karak, phal > and > > > > phalit sthan > > > > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspect on planets > > > > > >>>> 6) Adjustment of 12th from house under focus > > > > > >>>> 7) Adjustment of 6th lord. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> After meticulously considering all these > > > factors we > > > > > >>>> come to strength of each planet for each > and > > > every > > > > > >>>> house. Like that we also compute strength > for > > > all > > > > d > > > > > >>>> charts but in that we only conider the > > strength > > > for > > > > > >>>> karak, phal and phalit sthan for each and > > every > > > > house. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> You have said that Shani is stronger than > > > Guru. > > > > Here > > > > > >>>> you can see both Shani and Guru at a glace > on > > > how > > > > they > > > > > >>>> will deliver their results in their > respective > > > > antar > > > > > >>>> dasha. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> I do hear ya regarding the system not being > > > > different > > > > > >>>> from parasara. Actually parasara did give > the > > > BAV > > > > > >>>> scheme but it has become corrupt over time. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Here Jupiter is in 10th from 10th house so > its > > > > > >>>> foritifying 10th house and also Guru is > with 5 > > > > bindus > > > > > >>>> in 7th house and in multrikon so its very > > eager > > > to > > > > give > > > > > >>>> results for 10th house. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> If you see the worksheet you can see Ju is > > > having > > > > 22 > > > > > >>>> points for 10th house and Shani has 7 > points > > > for > > > > 10th > > > > > >>>> house. There is a big difference in > authority > > > that > > > > > >>>> Ramesh would have been bestowed in the > antras > > > of > > > > Guru > > > > > >>>> and Shani. > > > > > >>>> At the same time if you see expenses v/s > > income > > > in > > > > Guru > > > > > >>>> and shani and compare the 11th v/s 12th > points > > > you > > > > can > > > > > >>>> see more expenses in shani compared to Guru > > > antra. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> *House* *Signs* *SAV* > > > *Su* *Mo* > > > > *Ma* *Me* *Ju* > > > > > >>>> *Ve* *Sa* > > > > > >>>> 1 Gemini 23 16 > > 19 > > > 13 20 > > > > 17 7 16 > > > > > >>>> 2 Cancer 24 10 > > 15 > > > 20 23 > > > > 23 14 16 > > > > > >>>> 3 Leo 30 9 21 > > > 9 19 > > > > 11 11 13 > > > > > >>>> 4 Virgo 26 7 > 22 > > > 9 24 > > > > 14 4 23 > > > > > >>>> 5 Libra 33 8 > 23 > > > 5 20 > > > > 22 16 19 > > > > > >>>> 6 Scorpio 32 16 > > > 20 21 > > > > 24 13 9 17 > > > > > >>>> 7 Sagittarius 20 7 > > > 19 5 > > > > 25 17 12 8 > > > > > >>>> 8 Capricorn 21 15 > > > 19 9 > > > > 24 9 12 12 > > > > > >>>> 9 Aquarius 29 7 > > > 17 13 > > > > 11 14 22 9 > > > > > >>>> 10 Pisces 29 13 > > > 10 -2 17 > > > > 22 9 7 > > > > > >>>> 11 Aries 40 11 > > 21 > > > 10 26 > > > > 14 10 19 > > > > > >>>> 12 Taurus 30 5 > > 21 > > > 10 19 > > > > 12 10 20 > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Thanks, > > > > > >>>> Cheers !!! > > > > > >>>> Ash > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Dear Ash, > > > > > >>>> Even with 20 points the Bhava lacks > > > strength, > > > > is it > > > > > >>>> not? Saturn there however extends > > > protection. > > > > By > > > > > >>>> the way I am not aware of any > Ashtakavarga > > > > system > > > > > >>>> which gives differential value of > > > Bindus/Rekhas > > > > > >>>> based on Lagna of a native or placement > of > > > a > > > > planet > > > > > >>>> in a Rasi, aspects received by it and > > > > association > > > > > >>>> with other planets. May I know to which > > > system > > > > you > > > > > >>>> are referring to and the weightage for > > these > > > > > >>>> factors given in that system by > increasing > > > or > > > > > >>>> reducing the Bindus/Rekhas. > > > > > >>>> If you are talking about using other > > > > parameters in > > > > > >>>> association with Ashtakavarga then of > > > course > > > > that > > > > > >>>> is a different matter and would not > > > constitute > > > > > >>>> different system than Parashara. > > > > > >>>> Regards, > > > > > >>>> Chandrashekhar. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Pardon me for my intervention. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> I would like to comment on > Ashtakavarga. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> 1) It seems that you have used > Parasaras > > > > scheme of > > > > > >>>>> BAV. With > > > > > >>>>> Varharamiras scheme you get 20 points > in > > > > Ramesh's > > > > > >>>>> 7th house. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> 2) For nodes are we know are not > > planets. > > > > They > > > > > >>>>> are used indirectly. > > > > > >>>>> They are samdharmi to sign lord and > > > nakshatra > > > > > >>>>> lord. For natural > > > > > >>>>> nature as you have said or quoted in > > > numerious > > > > > >>>>> posts Rahu is like > > > > > >>>>> Shani and Ketu like Mars. > Functionally > > > they > > > > will > > > > > >>>>> be more like the > > > > > >>>>> planet i.e. either sign lord or nak > lord > > > as > > > > per > > > > > >>>>> the points they > > > > > >>>>> receive in their BAV. For example, if > > > Rahu > > > > is in > > > > > >>>>> Gemini and nak of > > > > > >>>>> punarvasu then it will represent Me > and > > > Ju. > > > > If > > > > > >>>>> say Ge is 3rd house > > > > > >>>>> and in 3rd house Ju gets 5 bindus and > Me > > > gets > > > > say > > > > > >>>>> 6 bindus then Rahu > > > > > >>>>> will act more like Mercury. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> 3) With regards to your comment on > > > > Ashtakavarg not > > > > > >>>>> using sign > > > > > >>>>> placement is not entirely correct. If > > > used > > > > with a > > > > > >>>>> proper system the > > > > > >>>>> sign placement can give idea on > quantum > > of > > > > result > > > > > >>>>> and its not used to > > > > > >>>>> find timing of result. For timing of > > > result > > > > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg, SAV and > > > > > >>>>> total strength of planets derived from > > SAV > > > is > > > > good > > > > > >>>>> enough to time > > > > > >>>>> results effectively. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Maybe knowledge of Ashtakvarg that is > > > > available in > > > > > >>>>> texts today is not > > > > > >>>>> complete and may lead to confusion. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg system used is an effective > > > tool in > > > > > >>>>> timing of events. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> A couple of points on Ramesh's chart. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> 1) In Ramesh's chart there are 2 > > > consecutive > > > > > >>>>> zeroes one given by > > > > > >>>>> Venus to 7th and one by Mars to 8th. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> 2) Jupiter antra will be very eager to > > > bestow > > > > > >>>>> authority to Ramesh and > > > > > >>>>> also for acquisition of wealth. > Between > > > > 1997/04 > > > > > >>>>> thru 1999/10 Ramesh > > > > > >>>>> might have been given a role of > > > > responsibility. > > > > > >>>>> Also a good time to > > > > > >>>>> make investments and accumulation of > > > wealth. > > > > > >>>>> Lakshami can verify > > > > > >>>>> this antra. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Thanking you, > > > > > >>>>> Cheers !!! > > > > > >>>>> Ash > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> vedic- astrology, > > > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>> > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > >>>>> > I think in Ramesh's case Saturn is > Lord > > > of > > > > the > > > > > >>>>> 9th is it not? He > > > > > >>>>> not > > > > > >>>>> > only associates a Kendra Lord but is > > > also > > > > is in > > > > > >>>>> kendra being a > > > > > >>>>> trine > > > > > >>>>> > lord. He is also Lord of Navamsha > Lagna > > > > > >>>>> aspecting Lagna, besides > > > > > >>>>> being > > > > > >>>>> > placed in a trikona. Jupiter on the > > > other > > > > hand > > > > > >>>>> is Lord of 2nd and > > > > > >>>>> 11th > > > > > >>>>> > in Navamsha and in 3rd house. I > would > > > > certainly > > > > > >>>>> treat Saturn as > > > > > >>>>> more > > > > > >>>>> > powerful than Jupiter, even if in > Lagna > > > > Jupiter > > > > > >>>>> appears to be with > > > > > >>>>> > greater strength. But there too he > is > > > only a > > > > > >>>>> Kendra Lord in Kendra > > > > > >>>>> > associating a trine lord. Since we > are > > > > talking > > > > > >>>>> about 7th house > > > > > >>>>> would it > > > > > >>>>> > not be right to look at the Navamsha > > > > strengths > > > > > >>>>> of the planets, > > > > > >>>>> before > > > > > >>>>> > coming to conclusion about 7th > house? > > If > > > we > > > > look > > > > > >>>>> at Ashtaka Varga > > > > > >>>>> then > > > > > >>>>> > SAV would rather prove my view point > as > > > it > > > > shows > > > > > >>>>> 7th house with 19 > > > > > >>>>> > points. Personally I give more > > weightage > > > to > > > > > >>>>> Natal chart read with > > > > > >>>>> > Navamsha. the reason is Ashtakavarga > do > > > not > > > > > >>>>> consider effects of > > > > > >>>>> nodes , > > > > > >>>>> > neither do they consider house > > ownership > > > or > > > > Rasi > > > > > >>>>> occupation > > > > > >>>>> > weightage.Your opinion would be > > > appreciated. > > > > > >>>>> > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Namaste Chandrasekar ji, > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is > in > > > own > > > > > >>>>> house/moolatrikona. > > > > > >>>>> Please > > > > > >>>>> > > look at the ashtakavarga & bala of > > > > Saturn. Who > > > > > >>>>> is more empowered > > > > > >>>>> to > > > > > >>>>> > > protect the house, based on both > > > strength > > > > and > > > > > >>>>> functionality, > > > > > >>>>> Jupiter > > > > > >>>>> > > or Saturn? I request you to ponder > on > > > > this. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Regards, > > > > > >>>>> > > Lakshmi > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* > > wrote: > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > >>>>> > > If I may point out, in Javed's > > > case > > > > Guru > > > > > >>>>> is in own house and > > > > > >>>>> in > > > > > >>>>> > > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts > > > Guru. > > > > The > > > > > >>>>> dictum is Sthana > > > > > >>>>> rakshati > > > > > >>>>> > > Mandah. Guru's exception to > house > > > > damage > > > > > >>>>> occurs when he is in > > > > > >>>>> own > > > > > >>>>> > > house. > > > > > >>>>> > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> Om Gurave Namah > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> Namaste Pradeep ji, > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> I happen to know of > individuals > > > who > > > > have > > > > > >>>>> strong Guru in 4th > > > > > >>>>> and > > > > > >>>>> > >> 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has > > > blessed > > > > the > > > > > >>>>> individual with > > > > > >>>>> great > > > > > >>>>> > >> knowledge, an intelligence > that > > > > borders > > > > > >>>>> on genius and a rare > > > > > >>>>> > >> inner harmony. That person, a > > > devout > > > > > >>>>> Muslim, is one of the > > > > > >>>>> finest > > > > > >>>>> > >> individuals I have ever come > > > across, > > > > and > > > > > >>>>> he is very attached > > > > > >>>>> to > > > > > >>>>> > >> his family and mother and > there > > > are > > > > no > > > > > >>>>> problems what so ever > > > > > >>>>> on > > > > > >>>>> > >> the home front. This > individual > > > is > > > > highly > > > > > >>>>> esteemed in his > > > > > >>>>> work > > > > > >>>>> > >> environment and has all the > > > comforts > > > > one > > > > > >>>>> could desire. > > > > > >>>>> Infact, > > > > > >>>>> > >> Guru in 4th is supposed to > cast > > > > > >>>>> sukhargala on lagna, which is > > > > > >>>>> > >> good for the general health & > > > > happiness > > > > > >>>>> of the person. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> The individual with Jupiter & > > > Saturn > > > > in > > > > > >>>>> 7th (Dhanus) is my > > > > > >>>>> own > > > > > >>>>> > >> dear husband. We have been > very > > > > happily > > > > > >>>>> married for nearly 20 > > > > > >>>>> > >> years. My husband has > prospered > > > > > >>>>> remarkably after marriage. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> I am posting the charts here. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> I request that you also post > the > > > > charts > > > > > >>>>> of the individuals to > > > > > >>>>> > >> whom you were referring in > your > > > > post, for > > > > > >>>>> our edification and > > > > > >>>>> > >> discussion. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> Regards, > > > > > >>>>> > >> Lakshmi > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> */vijayadas_pradeep > > > > > >>>>> <vijayadas_pradeep>/* wrote: > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> I have been trying to > test > > the > > > > > >>>>> principles taught by you > > > > > >>>>> > >> related to > > > > > >>>>> > >> guru in various bhavas. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> When in 3rd always some > > > > difficulties > > > > > >>>>> for siblings.Even > > > > > >>>>> when > > > > > >>>>> > >> in own > > > > > >>>>> > >> sign and in 4th,problems > for > > > > mother > > > > > >>>>> and at home front. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> When in 7th at marriage > > > > front.When in > > > > > >>>>> Lagna and not in > > > > > >>>>> own > > > > > >>>>> > >> sign some > > > > > >>>>> > >> physical weakness and > health > > > > problems > > > > > >>>>> in childhood. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> Thus Guru tests the > > individual > > > > > >>>>> thouroughly. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> Also sages have advised > that > > > > Guru is > > > > > >>>>> not favourable while > > > > > >>>>> > >> transiting > > > > > >>>>> > >> kendra houses 1,4,and > 10th > > > from > > > > > >>>>> moon.Only the 7th kendra > > > > > >>>>> is > > > > > >>>>> > >> beneficial.(Is there any > > > reason > > > > for > > > > > >>>>> this?) Only > > > > > >>>>> 2nd,5th,7th > > > > > >>>>> > >> and 9th > > > > > >>>>> > >> are favourable.11th being > > > good > > > > for > > > > > >>>>> all planets in > > > > > >>>>> general. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> Respect > > > > > >>>>> > >> Pradeep > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> --- In > > > > > >>>>> vedic astrology, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > >>>>> > >> <boxdel> > > > > > >>>>> > >> wrote: > > > > > >>>>> > >> > Dear Anuj, > > > > > >>>>> > >> > I am glad you agree > with > > > me. > > > > As you > > > > > >>>>> rightly said in > > > > > >>>>> your > > > > > >>>>> > >> message > > > > > >>>>> > >> to > > > > > >>>>> > >> > Razdan,a the dictum is > > > pretty > > > > well > > > > > >>>>> known to > > > > > >>>>> astrologers. > > > > > >>>>> > >> There are > > > > > >>>>> > >> many > > > > > >>>>> > >> > shlokas to that effects > > and > > > > charts > > > > > >>>>> prove the veracity > > > > > >>>>> of the > > > > > >>>>> > >> dictum, I > > > > > >>>>> > >> > have myself posted a > few > > of > > > > them > > > > > >>>>> earlier. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > Unfortunately there is > a > > > > tendency > > > > > >>>>> to mix up terms like > > > > > >>>>> > >> Benefic/Malefic > > > > > >>>>> > >> > with the results a > planet > > > is > > > > likely > > > > > >>>>> to give. This > > > > > >>>>> happens more > > > > > >>>>> > >> with > > > > > >>>>> > >> > Jupiter as people > usually > > > tend > > > > to > > > > > >>>>> equate it with > > > > > >>>>> Deeksha > > > > > >>>>> > >> Guru as > > > > > >>>>> > >> his > > > > > >>>>> > >> > name in Sanskrit is > Guru. > > > > People > > > > > >>>>> tend to forget > > > > > >>>>> Parashara > > > > > >>>>> > >> telling > > > > > >>>>> > >> when > > > > > >>>>> > >> > Guru can act as Maraka > and > > > > want to > > > > > >>>>> attribute only good > > > > > >>>>> and > > > > > >>>>> > >> pious > > > > > >>>>> > >> > attributes to him. I > > prefer > > > to > > > > keep > > > > > >>>>> my personal > > > > > >>>>> feelings and > > > > > >>>>> > >> prejudices > > > > > >>>>> > >> > apart from application > of > > > > > >>>>> astrological principles. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > Take care, > > > > > >>>>> > >> > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > nameisego wrote: > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Respected > Chandrashekhar > > > ji. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Please accpet my > pranams > > > as > > > > you > > > > > >>>>> are the senior most > > > > > >>>>> Guru > > > > > >>>>> > >> in age > > > > > >>>>> > >> and > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > experience in this > group. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Your observation > about > > > Guru > > > > is > > > > > >>>>> absolutely right. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Self had posted in > this > > > > group and > > > > > >>>>> elsewhere an > > > > > >>>>> article on " > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" > > > some > > > > time > > > > > >>>>> back where it was > > > > > >>>>> shown > > > > > >>>>> > >> Guru's > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > position in various > > > houses > > > > which > > > > > >>>>> had been > > > > > >>>>> > >> destroyed/troubled by > > > > > >>>>> > >> Guru. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > "Bhava Nasha Karo > Jeeva > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau > > > Shanih" > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > This Dictum had been > > > proved > > > > by self. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > You may (Mr.Razdan) > go > > > thro' > > > > > >>>>> older postings and read > > > > > >>>>> for > > > > > >>>>> > >> yourself and > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > check the examples > that > > > were > > > > given. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Difference between > > > Jupiter > > > > and > > > > > >>>>> saturn is, Jupiter > > > > > >>>>> sucks the > > > > > >>>>> > >> goodness > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > of a house and gives > > > fruit to > > > > > >>>>> houses it aspects. > > > > > >>>>> Saturn > > > > > >>>>> > >> sucks the > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > houses he aspects and > > > > increases > > > > > >>>>> the house it > > > > > >>>>> occupies. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > --- In > > > > > >>>>> vedic astrology, > PNRazdan > > > > > >>>>> > >> <pnrazdan> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > wrote: > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > You seem to be > > > extending > > > > your > > > > > >>>>> arguments against > > > > > >>>>> Jupiter > > > > > >>>>> > >> still > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > further. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Firstly you said > that > > > Jup > > > > is > > > > > >>>>> ashub in houses it is > > > > > >>>>> a > > > > > >>>>> > >> designated as a > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 > > and > > > 11 > > > > > >>>>> based on the principle > > > > > >>>>> of > > > > > >>>>> > >> "Karka > > > > > >>>>> > >> Bhavo > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Nasa" > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > . Now you say that > it > > > will > > > > harm > > > > > >>>>> every house it is > > > > > >>>>> > >> placed in. > > > > > >>>>> > >> Why > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > this > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > animosity with Jup, > > the > > > > hope of > > > > > >>>>> millions believing > > > > > >>>>> in Vedic > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Astrology > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > (in lighter vein). > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > You refer to some > > > dictum > > > > of a > > > > > >>>>> sage, source was not > > > > > >>>>> > >> given by > > > > > >>>>> > >> you. But > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > take out any basic > > book > > > on > > > > > >>>>> ancient astrology. It > > > > > >>>>> always > > > > > >>>>> > >> speaks > > > > > >>>>> > >> of > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > the > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > benefic qualities > of > > > > Jupiter. > > > > > >>>>> Somewhere it is even > > > > > >>>>> > >> said, that > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > howsoever > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > bad it may be > placed > > > in, it > > > > > >>>>> will still try to help > > > > > >>>>> the > > > > > >>>>> > >> subject. And > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > this has been amply > > > proved > > > > by > > > > > >>>>> our experience. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > I am afraid. you > will > > > have > > > > to > > > > > >>>>> do some more > > > > > >>>>> hardwork for > > > > > >>>>> > >> convincing > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > all > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > about your notions > of > > > > Jupiter, > > > > > >>>>> the heavenly > > > > > >>>>> Brahiman. This > > > > > >>>>> > >> would > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > even > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > mean a paradigm > shift > > > in > > > > Vedic > > > > > >>>>> Astrology. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Pran Razdan > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > --- Chandrashekhar > > > > > >>>>> <boxdel> wrote: > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Reference to Leo > was > > > in > > > > > >>>>> connection with what > > > > > >>>>> > >> Shubhangi had > > > > > >>>>> > >> asked. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Jupiter harming > the > > > > house he > > > > > >>>>> is placed in is a > > > > > >>>>> dictum > > > > > >>>>> > >> given > > > > > >>>>> > >> by > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > sages > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > and > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > there is no > reason > > to > > > > try to > > > > > >>>>> find out the > > > > > >>>>> reason. If one > > > > > >>>>> > >> wants to > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > find > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > the reason about > Leo, > > > > > >>>>> consider this in natural > > > > > >>>>> zodiac > > > > > >>>>> > >> Leo is > > > > > >>>>> > >> in > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > 5th > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > house whose > > > occupation by > > > > > >>>>> Jupiter leads to > > > > > >>>>> Karaka Bhava > > > > > >>>>> > >> Dasha. In > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > 11th > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > all planets are > > > Shubha > > > > so it > > > > > >>>>> is not only Jupiter > > > > > >>>>> who is > > > > > >>>>> > >> Shubha > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > there. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Disha strength is > > one > > > > amongst > > > > > >>>>> many strengths > > > > > >>>>> > >> considered but > > > > > >>>>> > >> not > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > as > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > strong as Digbala > > and > > > > Jupiter > > > > > >>>>> gets that in Lagna. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Prafulla Gang > wrote: > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Dear > > Chandrashekhar > > > ji > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > In my humble > view, > > > > (Jupiter > > > > > >>>>> may not be > > > > > >>>>> preferred in > > > > > >>>>> > >> Leo for > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Muhurta, > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > I do not know > much > > > > about > > > > > >>>>> muhurta related > > > > > >>>>> > >> configurations),It may > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > not > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > become weak in > > > terms of > > > > > >>>>> Bala necessarily > > > > > >>>>> (generally > > > > > >>>>> > >> speaking). > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > In > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact, jupiter > in > > > 3rd > > > > house > > > > > >>>>> in Libra is > > > > > >>>>> considered bad. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Jupiter in 11th > > > house > > > > (any > > > > > >>>>> sign) will have > > > > > >>>>> directional > > > > > >>>>> > >> strength > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > to > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > initiate for > > > results. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > There must be > more > > > than > > > > > >>>>> this reason, for > > > > > >>>>> jupiter to > > > > > >>>>> > >> give > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > negative > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > results. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > regards/Prafulla > > > Gang > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > --- In > > > > > >>>>> vedic astrology, > > > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > <boxdel> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Dear > Shubhangi, > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Being an > Indian > > > you > > > > must > > > > > >>>>> know that Jupiter > > > > > >>>>> looses his > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > strength in > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Leo > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > and that is > why > > > > there are > > > > > >>>>> no Muhurtas for > > > > > >>>>> > >> marriages when > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Jupiter > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > occupies Leo > or > > > what > > > > is > > > > > >>>>> called as Simhastha. > > > > > >>>>> That > > > > > >>>>> > >> is due > > > > > >>>>> > >> to > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > the > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact of > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Guru lacking > > > Bala. In > > > > > >>>>> your brother's case Sun > > > > > >>>>> > >> being in > > > > > >>>>> > >> own > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Rasi > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > makes > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > him Shubha > and > > > > therefore > > > > > >>>>> good relations with > > > > > >>>>> > >> Father. But > > > > > >>>>> > >> I > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > would > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > say he > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > would not > follow > > > > father's > > > > > >>>>> profession. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Shubhangi > Naik > > > wrote: > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Dear Sir, > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Sorry for > > > > intervening in > > > > > >>>>> your session, but > > > > > >>>>> I am > > > > > >>>>> > >> curious > > > > > >>>>> > >> to > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > know > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > the logic > behind > > > > jupiter > > > > > >>>>> losing its strength > > > > > >>>>> in leo > > > > > >>>>> > >> and > > > > > >>>>> > >> hence > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > this > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > email. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Yes, your > > dictum > > > > worked > > > > > >>>>> in my brother's > > > > > >>>>> case also. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >My brother > has > > > > sun+jup > > > > > >>>>> in leo but in 8th, no > > > > > >>>>> > >> doubt he > > > > > >>>>> > >> is very > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > intelligent but > > did > > > > not do > > > > > >>>>> much well in > > > > > >>>>> academics > > > > > >>>>> > >> and yes, > > > > > >>>>> > >> he > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > did > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fail once in > his > > > 10th > > > > class. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >With my half > > > > knowledge I > > > > > >>>>> thought the reason > > > > > >>>>> to > > > > > >>>>> > >> be the > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > positioning > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > of both the > > planets > > > in > > > > 8th, > > > > > >>>>> but now curious to > > > > > >>>>> know > > > > > >>>>> > >> why jup > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > losses > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > strength in leo. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >But though > both > > > > planets > > > > > >>>>> are positioned in > > > > > >>>>> 8th, both > > > > > >>>>> > >> father > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > and > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > son shares good > > > > relation > > > > > >>>>> with each other. > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Shubhangi > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 > Sep > > > 2004 > > > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar wrote : > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira, > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>There you > see > > > the > > > > > >>>>> dictum working. 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