-- on Ashtakvarga -Ash ji& Chandrashekhar ji

September 28, 2004

Dear Ash ji & Chandrashekhar ji

This debate on Astakavarga and its importance during chart analysis

is becoming really educative.I was scared to ask any questions due

to my ignorance. But i think i may ask couple of questions of broad

nature.

Ash ji, I am glad that your system considers the Vargas as an

inherent division within the Rashi,and it should be like that as per

my humble understanding of Parashara.This gives me confidence and

trust.Now you have said jupiter within the second navamsha,in cancer

is samadharmi to Sun.

As per my understanding ,any transiting planet will trigger the

planets placed in a house ,their lords and also the lord of the

transiting house.Thus when a planet transits say 3deg 20 to 6 deg

40, (as you have mentioned) in Cancer,it is also transiting navamsha

of sun, w.r to that Rashi.Thus this transit will trigger Sun and

also Jupiter,as jupiter is placed within that navamsha.Also this is

an intense transit as far as the planet is concerned (exact

navamsha).

Is this the basis for Samadharmi?

And i understand ,which planets transit ? will deliver such results

has to be understood based on the values and the chart as a

whole.Here the planets role,SAV and the individual points w.r to

bhavas have a role to play.Am i right?.I am yet to learn the basics

behind these.

Now one question,similar to what Chandrashekhar ji has asked - Does

this system account for the navamsha rashi relation ,while deriving

strengths? For example if Jupiter is within capricorn navamsha,while

arriving at strength of jupiter is this point considered?Does any

Ashtakavarga system take into account varga positions while arriving

at strength?Or does it mean, strength of a planet vis-a-vis

temporal/natural relationships has to be understood/evaluated

outside the relams of ashtakavarga, and then ashtakavarga principles

have to applied on top.

Kindly explain.

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, Ash <ashsam73> wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

> There is no contradiction. Maybe in your confused state you are

making such assumptions.

>

> Firstly as you are very well aware that the chart must be looked

as a whole. For that you consider all parameters and for that you

have the entire worksheet. That gives the total strength which I

have given for Sa = 10 and Ju = 11. Individual points of Sa = 1 and

Ju = 5. These points are obtained in the SAV by Ju and Sa.

Worksheet is derived from SAV. This part I do not think you will

understand unless you study the method that is used to derive the

entire worksheet. This part is not given in any book and that is

what I mention so it will be beyond your comphrehension for now. I

have given the website of Krushnaji and you can download the

worksheet and study it and let me know.

>

> Now You have talked of logic of Sa = 1 and Ju = 5 but what about

aspects ? What about 6th lord, What about aspects on Sa and Ju,

what about if Sa and Ju rule any upchaya houses and the special

consideratoins ?

>

> Have u just seen one points and came to conclusion that Ju is

stronger than Sa ?

>

> If so then its the system that you use is causing all confusion

and that 2 people using same technique of finding out strength are

coming to different conclusions ?

>

> The strength given in the final worksheet will determin how the

planets will deliver their results for all houses.

>

> If Guru is in say 3deg20 to 6deg40 in cancer it will become

samdharmi to Sun in navamsa. So such a guru can step in for Sun if

sun is unable to deliver the results.

>

> I agree with you. The system you are using to find strength there

is no consistency. Someone studies the same chart and will say that

Ju is stronger than Sa and someone else will Say that Sa is stronger

than Ju. There is too many contradiction that exist in the system

you study.

>

> Ashtakvarga has removed all these contradiction as the each planet

is studied from 8 different angles.

>

> In the end I will say that its Parasara who said that Ashtakavarga

is to be used by us people in Kali Yuga.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Ash,

> I am now more confused than ever. You said " AS PER KAS ITS BETTER

TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN THEIR NEECHA STHAN AS 3

PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET IS WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE

THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3 OTHER HOUSES STRONG

AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM STRONG. SO OVERALL

ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND BECOME MORE THAN 12.".

So by this logic would not Saturn who has only one point be stronger

than Jupiter who has 4 points?

> If you are using Vimshottary Dashas as you stated, then to the

best of my understanding Planets who are Neecha give more of their

malefic nature results than had they been in Uccha. Is a different

Vimshottary dasha system being used here? Again you say that

strength of Navamsha and Rasi are equal in your system. Vedic

Jyotish tells us that Navamsha strength overrules Rasi strength. For

example a planet exalted in Rasi but debilitated in Navamsha can

only give results as if debilitated and one debilitated in Rasi if

exalted in Navamsha shall give results as if exalted. Since the

system is totally different from what is known as Vedic Jyotish in

the parameters used, I do not think we can agree to the way we look

at the strengths of planets. There are many such contradictions and

I am only pointing out two of them as illustrations.

> Regards,

>

> Ash wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar,

> My answers in CAPS.

>

> Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

> I did not use Ashtakavarga to indicate timing of events at all but

only to illustrate a point from a different angle. My intention was

to illustrate that Jupiter's position has not strengthened the Bhava

under consideration. If I remember right even that was in response

to somebody's response mentioning Ashtakavarga Points.

>

> ASH : I AM ALSO ILLUSTRATING THE POINTS BUT FROM THE VIEW POINT OF

ASHTAKVARGA OR ONE CAN SAY THAT I AM USING THE TOOL OF ASHTAKVARGA

TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. IF YOU SAY THAT BASED ON THE

RELATIVE POSITIONING OF GURU AND SHANI YOU HAVE COMPARED THE

STRENGTH OF BOTH AND THE END RESULT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT GURU IS

WEAKER THAN SHANI THEN FROM THE ASHTAKVARGA VIEW POINT ITS NOT

MATCHING. SINCE ASHTAKVARGA IS CONSIDERING ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT

TO EACH OTHER AND ALSO FROM LAGNA USING ASHTAVARGA AS A TOOL I DO

NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. SAV TAKES CARE OF THAT FROM ALL 8

ANGLES.

>

> I fail to understand how strength is on the one hand calculated on

placement of bindus are considered to be the final strengths and in

the same breath said to be arrived at based on a system which takes

into consideration Navamsha strengths. Again how can a system that

considers Navamsha strength for only a specific purpose like delays

be said to apply all the principles of Vedic astrology?

>

> ASH : THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM. THE

FINAL STRENGTH IS DERIVED FROM SAV AS THE BASE. THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF

TIMING IS USING UPCHAYA HOUSES, ASPECTS ON PLANET AND PRIMARY

SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE, 4:10 RELATIONSHIPS, WE DO NOT CONSIDER BENEFIC

ASPECT OF 6TH LORD OR 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND SPECIAL

CONSIDERATION TO 10TH LORD FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO 6TH FROM

HOUSE UNDER FOCUS (IN SHORT UPCAHYA HOUSES). THIS IS ALL DONE TO

THE SAV POINTS. SO THE FINAL POINTS THAT ONE GETS AND JUST TO

CLARIFY WHICH IS THE WORKSHEET THAT I HAD REPRODUCED ON ALL THE

STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE WHERE YOU CAN SEE

THE STRENGTH AT A GLANCE IS FINALLY ARRIVED AT. THAT IS THE FINAL

STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. BASED ON THIS STRENGTH YOU CAN USE IT ALONG

WITH VIMSHOTTARI DASHA STARTING FROM MOON ONLY WILL GIVE HOW THE

ANTRA WILL DELIVER RESULTS FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT YOU CAN SEE AT A

GLANCE. I BELEIVE YOU ALSO AGREE THAT THE ANY ANTRA WORKS FOR ALL

12 HOUSES

> AT THE SAME TIME MAYBE GIVING GOOD RESAULT FOR SOME HOUSES AND

MAYBE MALEFIC FOR SOME OTHER.

>

> THIS WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO HONE INTO WHEN I ASKED YOU FOR

WHICH HOUSE IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR ? FOR 7TH HOUSE ALSO

BOTH HAVE LESS THAN 12 POINTS SO BOTH ARE NOT CONDUSIVE TO 12TH

HOSUE MATTERS HOWEVER IF U COMPARE BOTH GURU IS STRONGER THAN SHANI

FOR 7TH HOSUE MATTERS. FOR 10TH HOUSE MATTERS GURU IS FAR STRONGER

THAN SHANI. I WILL REVERT TO THE POINTS MISCONCEPTION BELOW.

>

> Is the confusion on account of trying to analyze timing of events

vis-a-vis the strengths of Bhavas and the Grahas? Or is it due to my

inability to convey my meaning or understanding yours?

>

> ASH : HOW WOULD YOU TIME ANY EVENT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE

STRENGTH. AS PER MY UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE USING ANY SYSTEM TRY TO

FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. YOU CAN STUDY IT FROM SHAD BAL,

YOU CAN STUDY IF ITS ATMAKARAK OR DARAKARAK ETC ETC THEN STUDY ITS

AVASTHA ETC ETC THE YOGS ITS MAKING, IF ITS YOGAKARAKA, OR MAKING

ANY MAHAYOGA ETC, STUDY IT FROM SUN/MOON/LAGNA/HL/GL/BL/AK/AL ETC

ETC.. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT SOME HOW OR THE OTHER ONE

PERSON WHO IS STUDYING THE CHART IS TRYING TO GAUGE IF THIS PLANETS

STRENGTH TO SEE IF THE PLANET WILL DELIVER THE RESULT. SOME CALL IT

FRUTIFICATION OF YOGAS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY ONE PERSON IS

TRYING TO GAUGE BY FINDING OUT THE BAL IF THE PLANET WILL GIVE THE

RESULT. THAT IS WHAT I CALL TIMING. PERSON ASK WHEN WILL MY DEBT

GET OVER ? WHEN WILL I MARRY ? WHEN WILL I HAVE CHILDREN ? WHEN

WILL MY HEALTH CRISIS GET OVER ? AND SO MANY SUCH QUESTIONS ARE

POSED. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR TIMING OF EVENTS.

>

> WITH KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM I AM FINDING OUT THE STRENGTH

USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM. WHEN I SAY A SYSTEM I MEAN I

AM USING VIMSHOTTARI DASHA, UPCHAYA HOUSES, SAV, BAV, PAV, TRANSITS,

CERTAIN SPECIAL LAWS LIKE GURU IN LIBRA, VENUS IN KRITTIKA, AADRA,

MOOLA, JAYESHTA, SUN TO VENUS DISTANCE, SOME RULES ON SAV AND THEN

FINALLY I GO THROUGH A TEDIOUS PROCESS OF CASTING THE WORKSHEET

WHICH I HAD DISPLAYED WHICH USES SAV AS THE BASE AND FROM THAT THE

THINGS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED SUCH AS 4:10 REPLATIONSHIPS, ASPECTS

ON PLANETS, ASPECTS ON PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES, BENEFIC ASPECT

ADJUSTMENT FOR 6TH LORD AND 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO

PLANETS IN UPCHAYA'S WITH > 4 BINDUS ETC. AFTER THAT I COME TO THE

FINAL STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. AS PER KAS NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS

AS COMPARED TO RASI. THEN WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF FINDING

SAMDHARMI. WHAT YOU WOULD CALL, NAVAMSA DEPOISTER, NATURAL

SAMDHARMIS I.E. VENUS AND SHANI , MOON AND MARS, SUN AND MARS. I

BELEIVE

> THESE ARE CALLED YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH OTHERS CHART. 4:10 IS THE

MOST POWEFUL SAMDHARMI WHERE IF PLANET IN 10TH HAS < 4 BINDUS AND

PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT HAS > 4 BINDUS. LIKE THIS ITS A WHOLE

SYSTEM. EACH AND EVERY FACTOR IS CONSIDERED.

>

> THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS NOT EXISITING IN PHALDIPIKA, BPHS, TEXTS BY

VARHARMIRA OR ANY OTHER SCHOLAR DESPITE ALL TEXTS MENTIONING

VERSES. EVEN SOME VERSES ARE MISSING THAT WAS GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI IN

HIS WRITEUP.

>

> WHAT YOU HAD SAID THAT ASHTAKVARGA DOES NOT CONSIDER SIGN

PLACEMENT IS ALSO A PART OF THE ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM. HOWEVER WE DO

NOT NEED IT TO TIME EVENTS. WE USE WHATS CALLED THE MULTIPLICATION

FACTOR TABLE FOR EXAMPLE MERCURY IN VIRGO HAS MULTIPLCAITON FACFTOR

OF 1.4 AND SO DOES GURU IN CANCER. SUCH THINGS GIVE US FURTHER

CLARITY ON HOW THE RESULT WILL "FEEL" BUT IS NOT NEEDED TO TIME

EVENT.

>

> THIS IS WHAT I CALL A FULL SYSTEM AND I KEEP SAYING THAT SO MUCH

OF ALL THIS IS GONE / VANISHED FROM THE ANTIENT TEXTS. I HOPE NOW U

WILL UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BY WHATS AVAILABLE ON ASHTAKAVARGA IS A

FRACTION AND ITS USE AS A SYSTEM IS NOT THERE AT ALL IN ANY TEXTS

FOR TIMING OF EVENTS.

>

> THIS IS WHAT I KEPT SAYING THAT THIS SYSTEM MUST HAVE EXISTED IN

ANTIENT TEXTS WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH WAS

TAUGHT BY HIS GURU AND WAS KEPT IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE.

>

> You are perhaps talking about Prastarashtakvarga when you say BAV,

since in BAV I do not think a planet's BAV can get 10 or 11 bindus

in that you mention in any Bhava. The maximum that might be

received would be around 7. Use of prastarashtkavarga is for

movement of transit planet in that planet's kakshya and the number

of bindus received from the planet makes him a bindu pradata.

>

> ASH : NO I AM NOT TALKING OF PRASTARASHTAKAVARGA. I DID ALLUDE TO

THAT IN MY MAIL TO LAKSHMI. WHEN I TOLD HER THAT ONLY VENUS WAS

GIVING HIS FAVOURABLE VOTE TO SHANI OR SHANI WAS MAKING A FAVOURABLE

WITH VENUS. SIMILARLY I WENT INTO FURHER DETAIL TO EXPLAIN THAT

GURU GETS 5 BINDUS AND WHICH OF THE 5 PLANET/LAGNA WAS SUPPORTING.

I WAS NOT MEANING TO GO INTO THIS MUCH DETAIL BUT SUCH THINGS ARE

USED TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL. THE 10 AND 11 BINDUS IS THE TOTAL

POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET AS THE FINAL STRENGH OF THE PLANET WHICH IS

CALCUALTED AS I HAVE MENTIONED ABOVE I.E KEEPING SAV AS THE BASE AND

THEN USING THE ASPECTS, 6TH LORDS, ASPECT ON PALNET ETC ETC. THE

FINAL STRENGTH AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS TEDIOUS PROCESS WERE THE

POINTS I HAVE WRITTEN. THIS IS THE FINAL STRENGTH OF ALL 7 PLANETS

FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THE FINAL STRENGTHS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND

ANYTHING LESS THAN 12 MEANS MALEFIC AND GREATER THAN 12 MEANS

BENEFIC. 12 IS NEUTRAL. IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSAND THE ENTIRE

> PROCESS IN WHICH I CAME TO THE 11 AND 10 POINTS FOR GURU AND

SHANI FOR 7TH HOUSE I WILL REVERT IN A SEPERATE MAIL OR WILL REFER

YOU TO THE APPROPRIATE TEXTS.

>

> I did not want to get into an argument where two different systems

are being used.

>

> ASH : I AM NOT ARGUING I AM DISCUSSING. I AM TAKING YOUR EACH

POINT AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN MY VIEW POINT. SO PLEASE DO NOT

CONSIDER THIS AS AN ARGUMENT AT ALL. I HOPE OTHERS WHO ARE READING

WILL ALSO LEARN FROM THIS AND THE EFFORT.

>

> However if you want to consider strengths on the basis of number

of Bindus given by a Planet then would it not be relevant that

Jupiter can get 56 Bindus whereas Saturn only 39 ?

>

> ASH : GURU IS A BENEFIC WHY ? WHY IS SHANI CALLED A MALEFIC ? IF

YOU STUDY IT FROM ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ITS ALL IN NUMERICAL

VALUE. GURU HAS BEEN ALLOCATED 56 BINDUS AND SHANI AND MARS HAVE

BEEN ALLOCATED 39 BINDUS ONLY. IT MEANS THAT GURU CAN MAKE MORE

FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI AND MARS. SO WE CAN SAY GURU

IS BENEFIC AS 7 PLANETS AND LAGANAS WILL DISTRIBUTE 56 POINTS SO

MORE CHANCES OF GURU TO MAKE FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI

AND MARS. EACH AND EVERYTHING HAS MEANING. SUN HAS 48 POINTS.

MAX POINTS A HOUSE CAN RECEIVE IS 96 AND SUN RECEIVES 48 SO ITS

CALLED KRUR OR YOU CAN SAY ALSO ON BORDERLINE.

>

> Would this then mean that a debilitated Jupiter will be stronger

than exalted Saturn in a hypothetical horoscope and still that would

be application of principles of Vedic Astrology? I would not think

so.

>

> ASH : FOR TIMING OF EVENTS ITS IMMETERIAL WHERE GURU IS PLACED IN

WHICH SIGN AND WHERE SHANI IS PLACED. HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE. YOU

ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET USING SIGN PLACEMENT

AND AS PER ASHTAKVARGA I DONT NEED TO CONSIDER THAT FOR TIMING OF

EVENT. YES SHANI BEING PLACED IN LIBRA HAS MULTIPLICATION FACTOR OF

1.4 AND GURU IN CAPRICORN HAS MULTIPLCATION FACTOR OF 0.8. BUT

AGAIN TO TIME AN EVENT I AM EMPHASISING THAT YOU DO NOT NEED THE

SIGN PLACEMENT BUT INSTEAD YOU NEED THE FINAL POINTS IN THE

WORKSHEET. THAT IS ENOUGH TO TIME THE EVENT.

>

> MAYBE YOU HAVE NOT COME ACROSS A SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT USE THE SAME

PRINCIPLES TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET THE WAY YOU USE IT. SO

YOU MAY FIND THIS DIFFERENT OR I CAN EVEN SAY SHOCKING. YOU DO NOT

NEED THE SIGN PLACEMENT TO JUDGE THE STRENGTH, ASHTAKAVARGA STRENGTH

IS WHATS NEEDED.

>

> PEOPLE USING SIGN PLACEMENTS MAY INVARIABLY COME TO DIFFERENT

CONCULUSIONS JUST AS IN THE CASE THAT YOU AND LAKSHAMI CAME TO. ONE

SAYS GURU IS STRONGER AND OTHER SAYS SHANI IS STRONGER. WITH

ASHTAKVARGA ITS ALL SHOWN BY NUMBERS AND THERE WILL NOT BE ANY

ANOMOLY. ALL WILL COME TO THE SAME CONCULUSION.

>

> EITHER I AM NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OR YOU ARE

NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM SAYING.

>

> AS PER KAS ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN THEIR

NEECHA STHAN AS 3 PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET IS

WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3

OTHER HOUSES STRONG AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM

STRONG. SO OVERALL ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND

BECOME MORE THAN 12.

>

> IF PLANETS HAVE > 5 BINDUS THEN THE WILL SEND MALEFIC DRISTI.

GURU HAS 56 BINDUS AND GENERALLY IF U DIVIDED THAT BY 12 EACH HOUSE

GETS APPROX 5 BINDUS. SO MOSTLY GURU HAS > 4 BINDUS IN CHART. SO

SUCH GURU WILL MAKE 1 HOUSE STRONG HOWEVER IT WILL REDUCE 3 HOUSES.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Ash wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

> My answers in CAPS.

>

> Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

> Even by your method of assessing strength from Rasi placement,

Saturn is stronger is it not?

>

> ASH : PLEASE REFER TO THE POST GIVEN BELOW. I HAD WRITTEN A POST

JUST AFTER AND HAVE SAID THAT IT WAS A TYPO. GURU HAS 11 POINTS AND

SHANI HAS 10. YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE WORKSHEET I HAD GIVEN.

BOTH OF THEM ARE MALEFIC FOR 7TH HOUSE MATTERS. BOTH JU AND SA ON

THEIR OWN CANNOT SAY GIVE MARRIAGE A 7TH HOUSE MATTER IN THEIR ANTAR.

>

> vedic astrology/message/44680

>

> The original thread had nothing to do with timing of events which

you are reverting time and again.

>

> ASH : AGREED. BUT YOU DID USE ASHTAKVARG AND I AM GIVING MY VIEW

POINT BASED ON ASHTAKAVARGA ON THE BAL OF GURU AND SHANI FOR 7TH

HOUSE AND NOT ONLY 7TH HOUSE BUT FOR ALL HOUSE. I HAVE ALSO GONE

AHEAD AND MADE A PREDICTION ON MARRIAGE AND HOW GURU WILL ACT AND

SHANI TOO AS A PART OF MY ANALYSIS. I BELEIVE THE PROOF OF THE

PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING THAT IS WHY I MADE A PREDICTION ON MARRIAGE

SO THAT ITS JUST NOT THEORY BUT ITS APPLICATION. NOW I DO NOT KNOW

HOW MUCH OF WHAT I HAVE PREDICTED IS CORRECT OR WRONG. BUT IN MY

OPINION THE WORKSHEET I HAVE GIVEN HAS CONSIDERED ALL FACTORS THAT

IS NECESSARY AS A TOOL TO TIME EVENTS.

>

> Since, as I had said earlier, the method you are using is based on

Ashtakavarga being used to derive strength of planets my comments on

your arguments would not be fair.

>

> ASH : ANY WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT IT OR USING ANY TOOL GIVEN BY THE

MAHARISHIS AS PER SO MANY TEXTS AND BY MANY AUTHORS THE END RESULT

SHOULD COME OUT TO BE SAME.

>

> I have all along been illustrating what is the position per Vedic

Astrology. I have already given the reasons why Saturn is with

strength.

>

> ASH : I HAVE ALSO USED VEDIC ASTROLOGY. ASHTAKVARGA IS A

WONDERFUL TOOL TO ASCERTAIN THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET WITHOUT ANY

DOUBTS. ITS FINAL RESULTS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND IS CRYSTAL

CLEAR.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> THANKING YOU,

>

> CHEERS !!!

>

> ASH

> ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

> So when you said Shani is stronger then Guru you had meant for 7th

> house only ? Is my understanding correct.

>

> As per the worksheet both Shani and Guru are weak for 7th house

for

> Ramesh. Shani has 11 points and Guru has 10. As per the

worksheet

> any planet having less than 12 is weak for the house. 12 is

neutral

> and greater than 12 is benefic. Now if you were to get down to

nitty

> gritty then I would say that Guru is stronger than Shani by 1

point.

>

> Guru is in namvasa of Aries and hence samdharmi to Mars and mars

is

> not condusive to 7th house matters being 6th lord. Shani is in

libra

> who is Lord of 12th house and primary upchaya for 7th house.

Venus

> and Shani are natural samdharmi.

>

> Both Sa and Ju are not condusive for timing of events for 7th

house.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> wrote:

> > Dear Ash,

> > I was referring to your statement that verses not found in any

> book.

> > The reason that this is not clear to you is perhaps we are

> wandering

> > from original thread. For example you are talking about Guru

being

> > stronger for 10th house where as if I remember right, the thread

> started

> > about Jupiter being strong for 7th house as per Lakshmi's

> assessment.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Ash wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > The fact still remains. The BAV scheme given by Parasara is

> different

> > > from Varharamira. This is one point and this is factual. One

of

> them

> > > is corrupt. I am saying the scheme Parasara has given has

become

> > > corrupt over time. The scheme Varharmira has given has been

> preserved

> > > in time. The two schemes cannot be different.

> > >

> > > I am not clear to which point you are alluding when you say

that

> my

> > > information about Parasara and Varharmira is not factual. The

> BAV

> > > scheme given by Parasara is different from Varharamira. This

was

> > > visible in Ramesh's chart when you said using parasarsa BAV

> scheme

> > > when 7th bhava got 19 bindus and using Varharmiras BAV scheme

it

> comes

> > > to 20. I am not going into other books. The point that I am

> > > emphasising is that BAV scheme given by Parasara or Varharmira

or

> any

> > > other maharishi cannot be different.

> > >

> > > Ashtakvarga has been commented on by many maharishis as you

have

> given

> > > but the system of timing of events using Ashtakavarga is not

> given

> > > which I beleive was a part of Vedic Astrology was saved with

some

> > > families and not known to the world.

> > >

> > > About the part with which the discussion started is what I

agree

> with

> > > you. There is a part of what Noname is also saying that I

agree

> with

> > > however I beleive that Guru spoils the house its placed in due

to

> its

> > > aspect on primary significator houses. By saying Spoilt I

mean

> it

> > > will not give the result in his antra. Also Guru is

generally

> with

> > > more than 5 bindus. Rarely its with < 4 bindus. The more

> powerful

> > > Guru is the more damage it will do by its aspect. For Libra

> lagna and

> > > Cancer lagna Guru is 6th lord and will be very malefic.

> > >

> > > In the chart given by No Names grand father also he commented

> that his

> > > grand father has Guru in lagna who is powerful and he took

> sansaya

> > > after early widohood. Again here a powerful guru is showing

its

> > > malefic aspect on 7th house. Again guru in lagna made no

names

> father

> > > a famous and person as he was known for his knowledge on

> samaveda.

> > > Noname has not commented on the effect it had on 9th and 5th

> house but

> > > if his guru is very powerful. I am also not aware what the

lagna

> is

> > > but this can be the sign of a powerful guru in lagna.

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > > It is good that you at least agree that "GURU ALWAYS

ASPECTS

> 5TH

> > > HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND ITS A PRIMARY

> SIGNIFICATOR

> > > HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT GIVE RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS

PLACED IN

> > > GENERALLY."

> > > This is the point from which the original discussions

started.

> > >

> > > For your information much detailed interpretation of events

> > > (Beyond what is explained in BPHS,a although based on the

> > > principles therein) by Ashtakavarga is available in

> Phaladeepika,

> > > Jataka Parijata, Jatakadesh Marg and umpteen other

> astrological

> > > texts. So your information about only Parashara and Varaha

> Mihira

> > > is not factual.

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Ash wrote:

> > >

> > >> Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > >>

> > >> My answers in CAPS.

> > >>

> > >> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Ash,

> > >> Ashtakavarga system is based on Bindus allotted to

> particular

> > >> houses for each of the planet with respect to its

> position

> > >> from the planet whose Ashtakavarga is being drawn.

> > >>

> > >> ASH : YES AGREED.

> > >>

> > >> The system you are using is based on considering the

> > >> strengths of planets and the Bhavas too. This is the

> system

> > >> generally referred as Parashari or more precisely

Hora

> system

> > >> which also encompasses the Ashtakavarga system.

> > >>

> > >> ASH : ASHTAKVARGA IS A PART AND PARCLE OF VEDIC

> ASTROLOGY AND

> > >> THAT IS WHAT I HAVE ALSO SAID. I HAVE SAID THAT THE

> SYSTEM

> > >> TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT GIVEN IN TEXTS AVAILABLE

TODAY.

> REST

> > >> CLARIFICAITON BELOW.

> > >>

> > >> Ashtakavarga is primarily used to find out effects

from

> > >> Transit of planets and longevity as made clear in

> > >> conversat/i/on/ /between Maitreya and sage Parashara

in

> BPHS.

> > >> Ashtakavarga system is clearly defined in that text.

> > >>

> > >> ASH : THIS IS WHAT THE MISCONCEPTION IS. BASED ON

THE

> TEXTS

> > >> AVAILABLE TODAY. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT ASHTAKVARG

IS

> USED

> > >> ONLY FOR FINDING OUT TRANSIT. IS THAT WHY PARASARA

HAS

> SAID

> > >> THAT TO USE ASHTAKAVARGA FOR INTELLECUTAL PYGMIES OF

> KALIYUGA

> > >> ? I DO NOT THINK SO SIR. THE SYSTEM OF ASHTAKVARGA

IS

> VERY

> > >> DETAILED AND KAS AND VERSES OF ASHTAKAVARGA HAVE BEEN

> BROUGHT

> > >> FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH ARE NOT FOUND IN ANY BOOK

> TODAY.

> > >> IF YOU CLAIM THAT BHPS IS COMPLETE AND THAT ALL THAT

IS

> > >> AVAILABLE ABOUT ASHTAKVARGA IS FOUND AND CODED AND

THERE

> IS

> > >> NO CORRUPTION THEN I WILL NOT INDULGE YOU ANY

FURTHER.

> > >>

> > >> No doubt the system can be adopted to various other

> > >> predictions, as it indicates influences on various

> bhavas.

> > >> Its various uses have been well documented in

numerous

> texts

> > >> besides BPHS and the very short description of

> Varahamihira.

> > >> The assumption that its use is not mentioned for

> different

> > >> uses in any other text but the two you mentioned is

not

> > >> factually correct.

> > >>

> > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS USING ASHTAKVARGA IS

NOT

> > >> GIVEN CLEARLY IS IN ANY TEXTS. THAT IS WHAT I AM

> SAYING.

> > >>

> > >> Krushna has developed different parameters and as

long

> as the

> > >> system delivers results there should be no issue with

> that.

> > >>

> > >> ASH : HERE I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT KRUSHNAJI HAS NOT

> > >> DEVELOPED DIFFERENT PARAMETERS AND THIS SYSTEM. HE

HAD

> > >> BROUGHT IT FORWARD. THIS SYSTEM WAS KEPT IN FAMILY

OF

> HIS

> > >> GURU AND THAT WAS TRANSMITTED FROM FATHER TO SON.

> KRUSHNAJI

> > >> WANTED THIS SYSTEM TO REMAIN IN THIS WORLD. THIS

SYSTEM

> MUST

> > >> HAVE BEEN IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE FOR CENTURIES. IF ONE

> > >> UNDERSTANDS THIS SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS MAYBE WHAT AND

> WHY I

> > >> AM INDULDING YOU IN THIS THREAD WILL BECOME CLEAR.

> > >>

> > >> It is easy to say that Parashara and Varahamihira's

> texts

> > >> are corrupted, and they could be. But that does not

prove

> > >> that the bindus used are wrong especially as most of

> other

> > >> parameters that you mention are drawn from these very

> texts.

> > >>

> > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING

ASHTAKAVARGA

> IS

> > >> NOT DIFFERENT FROM VEDIC ASTROLOGY. INFACT VEDIC

> ASTROLOGY

> > >> IS MADE CLEAR WITH THE PROPER USE OF ASHTAKAVARGA AND

> KAS. I

> > >> DO NOT THINK PARASARA LIGHTLY MENTIONED THE USE OF

> > >> ASHTAKAVARGA FOR US PEOPLE IN KALI YUGA. A LOT OF

> > >> ASHTAKVARGA AND SANSKRIT SHLOKAS HAVE BEEN LOST.

THIS IS

> > >> WHAT I AM SAYING OR KEPT WITH FAMILES TILL SOMEONE

LIKE

> > >> KRUSHNAJI COMES ALONG AND BRINGS SUCH TECHNIQUES

> FORWARD.

> > >> ITS A BIG CREDIT TO KRUSHNAJI FOR BRINGING FORWARD

THIS

> > >> SYSTEM WITH HAS MADE TIMING OF EVENTS SO EASY.

> > >>

> > >> It is well known that Varaha Mihira was influenced by

> Greek

> > >> astrologers and has adopted some of their methods, so

the

> > >> bindus that he attributes could also have come from

them.

> > >>

> > >> ASH : ONE THING. BAV IS BAV AND BASIC SCHEME SHOUL.D

BE

> > >> SAME. ONLY IN BAV OF MOON AND VENUS THERE IS A

> DIFFERENCE.

> > >> PARASARA AND VARHARMIRA CANNOT HAVE DIFFERENT

OPINIONS.

> > >> EITHER PARASARA'S SCHEME IS CORRUPT OR

VARHARMIRAS'S.

> AT THE

> > >> END OF THE DAY BOTH MUST MATCH. SO ITS INFACT QUITE

> EASY TO

> > >> SAY THAT EITHER PARSARAS OR VARHARMIRAS BAV IS

CORRPUT.

> I AM

> > >> CONFIDENT THAT VARHRMAIRAS HAS REMAINED IN TACT OVER

THE

> > >> CENTURIES AND PARASARAS BAV SCHME IS CORRPUT. IN ANY

> CASE I

> > >> WILL GO BY WHAT KRUSHNAJI HAS TAUGHT ME AS THIS

SYSTEM

> WAS

> > >> KEPT IN HIS GURUS FAMILY AND HE HAS USED THAT FOR

DECADES

> > >> WITH CORRECT PREDICTIONS. SO ITS TIME TESTED BY HIS

> GURUS

> > >> LINEAGE. I AM IN NO POSITION TO MAKE ANY JUDGEMENT

BUT

> CAN

> > >> SAY THAT I AM USNIG VARHARMIRAS SCHEME.

> > >>

> > >> Since you give equal importance to Navamsha and Rasi

> whereas

> > >> I go by the old time system of planetary strength

being

> > >> derived from Navamsha, it might not be possible for

you

> to

> > >> follow my meaning and reasons behind attributing more

> > >> strength to Saturn over Jupiter.

> > >>

> > >> ASH : I AM FINDING STRENGTH USING ASHTAKVARGA BUT FOR

> EACH

> > >> PLANET AND FOR EACH HOUSE. YOU ARE ALSO TRYING TO

FIND

> THE

> > >> STRENGH BUT I AM NOT CLEAR WHEN YOU SAY SHANI IS

STRONGER

> > >> THAN GURU BUT FOR WHAT ? IS IT FOR EVENT OR ALL 12

> HOUSES ?

> > >> JUST SAYING STRONGER IS VERY GENERAL. IF I WERE TO

ASK

> YOU

> > >> IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH HOUSE OR 10TH

HOUSE.

> > >> THIS IS HOW I AM SEETNG THINGS. AS PER THE WORKSHEET

> > >> STRENGTH GURU IS FAR BETTER FOR 10TH HOUSE AS

COMPARED TO

> > >> SHANI HOWEVER SHANI IS FAR STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH

> HOUSE

> > >> MATTERS.

> > >>

> > >> The question of strength of the two planets was

raised by

> > >> Lakshmi and I was responding to that. I so far as

> influence

> > >> over all 12 Rasis comment is concerned, Vedic

astrology

> does

> > >> think that planets have influence over all Bhavas and

> other

> > >> planets and the way the results would manifest depend

on

> > >> their mutual relation.

> > >>

> > >> ASH : EXACTLY. HERE IN LIES THE ESSENCE OF WHAT I

WAS

> SAYING

> > >> OR TRYING TO SAY FOR SO LONG. THE BEAUTY OF IS THAT

SAV

> > >> ALREADY TAKES CARE OF MUTUAL RELATIONS SO IT BECOMES

> > >> IMPERATIVE THAT BAV IS ACCURATE AS SAV AS U KNOW IS

> DERIVED

> > >> FROM BAV. THAT WAS MY COMMENT ON COMPOUNDING OF

ERRORS.

> > >> THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU SAY THAT SHANI IS STRONGER THAN

GURU

> > >> CONFUSES ME BECAUSE YES FOR 4TH HOUSE SHANI IS

STRONGER

> THAN

> > >> GURU BUT NOT FOR 10TH HOUSE. HERE I AM BEING VERY

> SPECIFIC.

> > >> SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOUR COMMENT ON SHANI BEING

> STRONGER

> > >> THAN GURU WAS CONSIDERING ALL 12 HOUSES AND THE MUTUAL

> > >> PLACMENT FOR ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT TO EACH

OTHER ?

> IF SO

> > >> THEN I AM VERY SURE THAT YOU WILL COME TO THE SAME

> CONCLUSION

> > >> USING WHATEVER WAY YOU USE TO FIND THE STRENGH OF

SHANI

> AND

> > >> GURU I.E NAVAMSA, D CHARTS OR YOGAS ETC WITH WHAT I

HAVE

> > >> SHOWN IN THE WORKSHEET. THEN IF YOU COMPARE SHANI

AND

> GURU

> > >> FOR EACH HOUSE WE WILL HAVE A MORE STRONGER BASIS FOR

> > >> COMPARISION. BUT STILL JUST USING THE WORD STRONGER

I

> AM NOT

> > >> CLEAR OR AM NOT FOLLOWING. THE QUETSIONS THAT COMES

TO

> MY

> > >> MIND .. STRONGER FOR WHAT OR WHICH HOUSE OR WHICH

> EVENT ?

> > >>

> > >> About not considering Navamsha strength, I am not

able to

> > >> follow what you are saying. On the one hand you say

that

> > >> these being equal you do not consider Navamsha in

> worksheet

> > >> and that you only use Navamsha to find samdharmi and

on

> the

> > >> other hand you say that my contention is not correct/.

> > >> /

> > >>

> > >> ASH : RASI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL STATUS AS PER THE

> TEACHINGS

> > >> OF KAS. NAVAMSA IS DERIVED FROM RASI. FOR THE

STRENGH

> AND

> > >> WORKSHEET ONLY RASI IS NEEDED. IF IN CASE OF DOUBT

YOU

> CAN

> > >> GO INTO D-CHARTS AND FIND OUT FROM THAT. I HAVE

> DEMONTRATED

> > >> WITH AN EXAMPLE OF RAMESH'S MARRIAGE. I WOULD HOPE

THAT

> > >> LAKSHMI WOULD COMMENT ON THIS PART. I HAVE NOT SAID

> THAT YOU

> > >> ARE NOT CORRECT. YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND THE STRENGTH

> ALSO

> > >> FROM NAVAMSA. AS PER KAS I FIND THE STRENGTH FROM

> WORKSHEET

> > >> WHICH IS FROM RASHI. FOR D-CHARTS I CAST WORKSHEET

BUT

> ONLY

> > >> PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE. WE DO NOT CONSIDER

ASPECTS

> > >> PART. SO ONLY TOP PORTION OF WORKSHEET IS USED. WE

> BOTH

> > >> ARE FINDING STRENGTH AND I AM USING AV FROM RASI AND

YOU

> ARE

> > >> PROBABLY USING RASI/NAVAMSA/D CHARTS ETC AND SIGN

> PLACEMENT

> > >> TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH.

> > >>

> > >> Again you are talking about timing of events and the

> original

> > >> thread is about Guru's capacity to harm the house

> occupied

> > >> by it/./

> > >>

> > >> ASH : FOR ME THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF QUESTION. AS PER

> > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM PLANETS THAT ASPECT

PRIMARY

> > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES I.E. 8TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS,

5TH

> FROM

> > >> HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND HOUSE UNDER FOCUS FOR EXAMPLE

FOR

> > >> READERS IF YOU ARE TIMING MARRIAGE THEN 2ND, 7TH AND

> 11TH AND

> > >> IF ANY PLANET HAS ASPECT ON THESE HOUSES THEN THEY

WILL

> NOT

> > >> GIVE RESULT IN THEIR ANTRA BUT THEIR SAMDHARMI WILL

GIVE

> > >> RESULT AND THE EXCEPTION IS THAT IF THE PLANET IS

LORD OF

> > >> 10TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS OR 6TH THEN IT WILL GIVE.

> > >>

> > >> GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS

PLACED

> IN

> > >> AND ITS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT

> GIVE

> > >> RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN GENERALLY. ONLY

> EXCEPTION

> > >> IS THAT IF GURU IS IN PISCES SO SUCH A GURU WILL GIVE

THE

> > >> RESULT OF TIMING OF EVENT. SIMILARLY FOR MARS. I

THINK

> ALSO

> > >> SOMETHING SIMILAR IS SAID FOR MARS AS PER VEDIC

TEXTS.

> MARS

> > >> ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND

8TH

> HOUSE

> > >> SO AS PER VEDIC TEXTS ITS ALSO SAID THAT MARS SPOILS

THE

> > >> HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. FOR SHANI IT DOES NOT ASPECT

ANY

> OF THE

> > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES WHEREEVER ITS PLACED SO ITS NOT

SAID

> TO

> > >> SPOIL THE HOUSE AND WILL DELIVER THE RESULT IF IT HAS

> POWER

> > >> AS PER WORKSHEET. SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN NOTED IN TEXTS

AS

> JU

> > >> SPOILS THE HOUSE IT IS PLACED IN AND SHANI DOES NOT.

> MARS

> > >> ALSO CAN BE SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE IT IS IN HOWEVER

THE

> > >> EXCEPTIONS FOR ALL IS IF THE SAME PLANET ALSO RULES

10TH

> AND

> > >> 6TH FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN IT WILL GIVE THE

> RESULT.

> > >> THIS CAN BE CHECKED AND I AM SURE IT WILL VALIDATE

WITH

> YOUR

> > >> EXCEPTIONS.

> > >>

> > >> SO I AM NOT TAKING PART IN THE DISCUSSION AS FOR ME

> > >> PERSONALLY THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCUSS. THE BASICS

OF

> SUCH

> > >> THINGS ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR AND CONSIDERED BY THE RULES

OF

> > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAVARGA SYSTEM. I AM VERY GLAD HOWEVER

TO

> SEE

> > >> THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THIS TOPIC.

> > >>

> > >> ANOTHER THING, GURU IS A HYOCRATIC PLANET. WHENEVER

ONE

> > >> TRIES TO POTRAY GURU AS BAD THERE WILL BE

RESISTANCE.

> THIS

> > >> IS THE POWER OF GURU. I AM SITTING BACK AND READING

WITH

> > >> INTEREST AND SEEING THE MAYA GURU CREATES. FUNNY ITS

> EASIER

> > >> TO BLAME SHANI FOR THINGS AND POTRAY IT AS BAD BUT

> INFACT ITS

> > >> SHANI WHO IS THE PLANET OF TRUTH.

> > >>

> > >> SUCH THIGNS ARE HARD FOR PEOPLE TO DIGEST AND YOU ARE

> GETTING

> > >> SO MUCH OF EXPLAINING TO DO. THIS ITSELF PROVES MY

> POINT AND

> > >> YOUR POINT ALSO.

> > >>

> > >> Anyway let us await Lakshmi's comment about your

> > >> observation on Mercury Antar, though this is not part

of

> the

> > >> original discussions.

> > >>

> > >> ASH : YES, IT WILL BE NICE IF LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON

THE

> > >> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH IF IT HAPPENED IN MERCURY ANTRA AS

PER

> > >> KAY. IF THE DATE IS GIVEN IT WILL BE BETTER. THIS

WILL

> > >> PROVE THE POWER OF THE PLANET AS PER WORKSHEET TO

> DELIVER THE

> > >> RESULTS AFTER FINDING OUT THE DELAY FROM RASHI AND

> NAVAMSA AS

> > >> BOTH HAVE SIMILAR STATUS AS PER KAS.

> > >>

> > >> THANK YOU FOR THIS DICUSSION,

> > >>

> > >> CHEERS !!!

> > >>

> > >> ASH

> > >>

> > >> Regards,

> > >> Chandrashekhar.

> > >>

> > >> Ash wrote:

> > >>

> > >>> Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > >>> My answers in CAPS below.

> > >>>

> > >>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>> Dear Ash,

> > >>> I forgot that you are using Krushna's

Ashtakavarga

> > >>> system. In that case you must be using Krushna's

> > >>> Ayanamsha. The system you are using is a

> combination of

> > >>> Ashtakavarga and traditional Graha Bhava Bala

> system.

> > >>>

> > >>> ASH : THE SYSTEM I USE IS KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARG

AND

> ITS

> > >>> PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY. I DONT KNOW WHAT U

MEAN BY

> > >>> GRAHA BHAVA BALA SYSTEM. IN SHORT WE CAN

COMPUTE

> THE

> > >>> STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE

AND

> > >>> ALSO FOR ALL 16 D CHARTS. SO ITS VEDIC

ASTROLOGY

> ONLY

> > >>> AND NOT DIFFERENT. AS PER KAS WE DO NOT TALK IN

> GENERAL

> > >>> TERMS AS SHANI IS STRONG OR WEAK BUT WE CAN GO

INTO

> > >>> DETAILS AS PER POINTS AND FIND OUT HOW A PLANET

> WILL ACT

> > >>> FOR EACH HOUSE. IN MOST CASES PLANETS DO NOT

ACT

> BAD

> > >>> FOR ALL HOUSES. IN SHANI ANTRA AS PER RAMESH'S

> CHART IT

> > >>> WILL BE GOOD FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AS COMPARED

TO

> GURU'S

> > >>> ANTRA FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AT THE SAME TIME FOR

> 10TH

> > >>> HOUSE MATTESR GURU WILL BE MUCH STRONGER THAN

SHANI

> AS

> > >>> YOU CAN SEE AS PER POINTS. ABOUT NAVAMSA I SHALL

> > >>> COMMENT BELOW.

> > >>>

> > >>> There is no harm in using it as long as results

come

> > >>> true. However it is not a different Ashtakavarga

> system

> > >>> per se.

> > >>>

> > >>> ASH : ASHTAKVARG IS ASHTAKVARG AND HOW TO USE IT

IS

> NOT

> > >>> GIVEN CLEARLY IN ANY TEXTS. PEOPLE ARE UNDER THE

> > >>> IMPRESSION BASED ON CURRENT TEXTS THAT ITS USED

TO

> TIME

> > >>> DEATH OR ITS USE IS LIMITED TO TRANSITS WHICH IS

NOT

> > >>> CORRECT. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT I TRY TO SAY

AND

> > >>> EXPLAIN WHEN PEOPLE COMMENT ON ASHTAKVARGA AND

ITS

> USED

> > >>> ONLY IN TRANSITS. THE WHOLE SYSTEM IN WHICH ITS

> USED TO

> > >>> TIME EVENTS IS NOT WRITTEN IN ANY BOOK OR

CLASSICS

> > >>> DESPITE MANY MAHARISHIS LIKE PARASARA,

VARHARAMIRA

> ETC

> > >>> HAVE ALL MENTIONED ASHTAKVARGA IN THEIR TEXTS.

> > >>>

> > >>> I was talking about a different Ashtakavarga

system

> that

> > >>> you had suggested exists.

> > >>>

> > >>> ASH : I HAVE NOT SUGGESTED ANYTHING OF THAT

KIND.

> > >>> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM IS A SYSTEM IN WHICH

WE

> USE

> > >>> ASHTAKVARGA TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET

FOR

> EACH

> > >>> HOUSE. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY SYSTEM OUT

THERE

> > >>> THAT DOES THAT. RESULTS CAN BE SEEN AT A

GLANCE.

> FOR

> > >>> EXAMPLE RAMESHS MARRIAGE MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED

DURING

> > >>> MERCURY ANTRA. MERCURY HAS THE HIGHEST STRENGTH

IN

> THE

> > >>> CHART FOR 7TH HOUSE. AND IS LOD OR 10TH LORD

FROM

> 7TH

> > >>> HOUSE. MAHADAHSA CAN BE THAT OF SHANI. SHANI IS

> > >>> SAMDHARMI TO NAKTURAL KARAK VENUS OF MARRIAGE.

SO

> SHANI

> > >>> MD/ MERCURY AD CAN GIVE MARRIAGE. THERE ARE 2

> ZEROES IN

> > >>> BAV ONE DUE TO VENUS AND OTHER DUE TO MARS AND

> MERCURY

> > >>> SO RESULT WILL BE IN LAST SECTOR OF MERCURY

ANTRA.

> > >>> MERCURY ANTRA RUNS IN SHANI MD RUNS FROM 1983/11

> THRU

> > >>> 1986/JULY. 3RD SECTOR STARTS 1985/07 THRU

> 1986/07. I

> > >>> AM NOT GOING FURTHER. IF THIS IS IN THE BALL

PARK

> ITS

> > >>> GOOD AND ONE CAN NARROW IT DOWN FURTHER WITH SUNS

> > >>> TRANSIT OVER STRONG SIGNIFICATORS FOR 7TH HOUSE

AS

> PER

> > >>> THE WORKSHEET POINTS. MAYBE LAKSHMI CAN VERIFY

> WHEN HER

> > >>> MARRIAGE TOOK PLACE WITH RAMESH.

> > >>>

> > >>> Varahamihira does have a slightly different bindu

> > >>> placement no doubt yet it is only different by

way

> of

> > >>> allowing Lagna to have one more bindu of

influence

> for

> > >>> some planet's Ashtakavarga. So it might not mean

> that

> > >>> other planet is getting a bindu less.

> > >>>

> > >>> ASH : THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT

SCHEME

> THAT

> > >>> IS IN TEXTS TODAY AVAILABLE GIVEN AS PER

PARASARA

> AND

> > >>> WHATS GIVEN OR PRESERVED FROM VARHARAMIRA. BOTH

ARE

> > >>> GREAT SAGES AND THEIR BAV SCHEMES MUST BE SAME.

> > >>> PARASARAS HAS BEEN CORRPUT OVER TIME. THE

> DIFFERENCES

> > >>> IN IN BAV FOR MOONS PLACMENT FROM MOON AND GURU

AND

> > >>> VENUS FROM MARS. THIS HAS VERY DEEP MEANING AND

> SAYING

> > >>> FOR EXAMPLE IF VENUS GETS POWER IF IN 4TH FROM

MARS

> AND

> > >>> IF VENUS IS NOT GETTING POWER OR A BINDU IF IN

4TH

> FROM

> > >>> MARS HAS A BIG DIFFERENCE. THERE ARE ONLY 337

> POINTS

> > >>> AND IT WOULD MEAN THAT IF AS IN THE CASE OF

RAMESHES

> > >>> CHART IF HIS 7TH BHAVA GETS 19TH IT MEANS THAT

THAT

> 1

> > >>> BINDU OF FROM THE POOL OF 337 HAS GONE TO SOME

OTHER

> > >>> HOUSE. IF A PLANET IS IN THAT HOUSE IT MAY GET

1

> BINDU

> > >>> MORE STRENGTH AND IT MAY CHANGE THE ENTIRE

CHART.

> IF

> > >>> THAT PLANET IS IN 4TH FROM A MALEFIC PLANET (BY

> MALEFIC

> > >>> I MEAN A PLANET WITH < 4 BINDUS EXCEPT MOON) AND

IF

> THAT

> > >>> PLANET WERE TO GET STRNGTH THEN THAT PLANET

WOULD

> BECOME

> > >>> VERY STRONG FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT WOULD

CHANGE

> THE

> > >>> ENTIRE COMPLEXION OF THE CHART. WITH ASKTAVARG

WE

> ARE

> > >>> VERY PARTICULAR AND THIS IS NOT A TRIVIAL

MATTER. 1

> > >>> BINDUS CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

> > >>>

> > >>> I said 19 Bindus as the chart sent by Dear

Lakshmi

> was

> > >>> in that format. Varahamihira has exactly 8

shlokas

> on

> > >>> Ashtakavarga and his is not a different system.

He

> only

> > >>> has a different opinion about which places are

> > >>> influenced by Lagna in case of some of the

planets.

> > >>> Parashara has, on the other hand, exhaustively

dealt

> > >>> with Ashtakavarga.

> > >>>

> > >>> ASH : THIS IS NOT TRUE. BAV SCHEMES HAVE TO

> MATCH. I

> > >>> DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BY SYSTEMS.

THE

> > >>> CORE AND BASIC OF ASHTAKVARG SYSTEM IS THE BAV

> POINTS.

> > >>> IF PARASARA IS SAYING THAT MOON IS NOT GIVING

> STRENGTH

> > >>> TO 9TH BHAVA WHEAREAS VARHARAMIRA IS SAYING IT

> DOES.

> > >>> THIS IS HUGE DIFFERECE OUT HERE. SIMILARLY MOON

IS

> > >>> BENEFIC IN 2ND FROM GURU AND VARHARAMIRA IS

SAYING

> THAT

> > >>> 1 BINDUS STRENGTH IS NOT GIVEN. THIS IS THE

> BASIC. YOU

> > >>> JUST CANNOT SAY THAT THE DIFFERENCE OF OPINION IS

> > >>> "ONLY". THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. IMAGINE A

SYSTEM

> THAT

> > >>> IS USED ACCURATELY FOR TIMING OF EVENTS THE SAV

> VALUES

> > >>> FROM WHICH THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANEST AND FOR

EACH

> AND

> > >>> EVERY HOUSE IS COMPUTED AND ITS BASED ON SAV AND

> SAV IS

> > >>> BASED ON BAV. IN THE LEAST WHAT YOU ARE SAYING

> MIGHT

> > >>> SURMOUNT TO COMPOUNDING OF ERROR. ACTUALLY IF

YOU

> STUDY

> > >>> HOW ONE COMES TO THE POINTS THAT I HAVE

DISPLAYED

> IN MY

> > >>> PREVIOUS MAILS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHY

I

> AM SO

> > >>> PICKY WITH THIS DISTRIBUTION OF BAV AND STICKING

TO

> > >>> VARHARAMIRA. IF WE DIFFER ON THIS VIEW WE CAN

> AGREE TO

> > >>> DISAGREE.

> > >>>

> > >>> I have already given the reason I think Saturn is

> > >>> stronger than Guru in reply to Lakshmi.

> > >>>

> > >>> ASH : YES, I DID READ YOUR INTERSTING COMMENT

BUT I

> WAS

> > >>> NOT CLEAR ON WHAT YOU MEANT BY STRONGER.

STRONGER

> FOR

> > >>> WHAT EVENTS ? DID U MEAN STRONGER FOR DELIVERING

> > >>> RESULTS OR ALL 12 HOUSES. CAN YOU BE MORE

> SPECIFIC.

> > >>> WHEN I GAVE THE POINTS I AM BEING VERY SPECIFIC

AND

> > >>> COMPARING GURU WITH SHANI FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. I

AM

> BEING

> > >>> SPECIFIC IN SAYING THAT IN GURU ANTRA RAMESH

WILL

> HAVE

> > >>> MORE AUTHORITY AS COMPARED TO SHANI. GURU IS IN

> UPCAHYA

> > >>> FROM 10TH HOUSE AND WITH 5 BINDUS. SO ITS VERY

> EAGER TO

> > >>> GIVE 2ND AND 10TH HOUSE MATTERS. SHANI IS EAGER

TO

> GIVE

> > >>> RESULTS FOR 12TH, 4TH, 11TH, AND 3RD HOUSE IN ITS

> > >>> ANTRA. CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC. I DO NOT

THINK

> SHANI

> > >>> IS BAD FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE AND NEITHER IS

GURU

> IN

> > >>> HIS ANTRA. AGAIN I AM RESTRICTING THE RESULTS

TO

> THE

> > >>> ANTRA. I THINK IF U ARE MORE SPECIFIC THEN WE

> MIGHT BE

> > >>> SAYING THE SAME THING BUT FROM A DIFFERENT VIEW

> POINT.

> > >>>

> > >>> The reason it is not reflected in the table

given

> by you

> > >>> is,as you have indicated Navamsha strength of

> planets is

> > >>> not considered in the system you are using.

> > >>>

> > >>> ASH : THIS IS INCORRECT. THE STRENGTH IS

DERIVED

> FROM

> > >>> RASHI AND THE WORKSHEET POINTS ARE FROM RASHI

ONLY.

> > >>> NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS AS COMPARED TO RASHI.

WE

> USE

> > >>> NAVAMSA FOR FINDING OUT THE SAMDHARMIS AND ALSO

> DELAY.

> > >>> ALL COMBINATIONS HAVE TO BE CHECKED FROM BOTH

RASI

> AND

> > >>> NAVAMSA. BUT FOR FINDING OUT THE STRENGH OF

PLANET

> ITS

> > >>> DONE FROM RASI. A WORKSHEET FOR EACH DIVISIONAL

> CHART

> > >>> IS ALSO CASTED.

> > >>>

> > >>> Using Krushna's Ayanamsha the Navamsha placement

of

> > >>> planets could also change. If you apply the

strength

> > >>> from Navamsha as given in the chart provided by

> Lakshmi,

> > >>> you will see my view point.

> > >>>

> > >>> ASH : IT WILL NOT CHANGE THINGS. I CHECKED AFTER

> > >>> READING THIS COMMENT. IN BOTH CASES USING

KRUSHNAS

> > >>> AYANAMSA AND LAHIRI SHANI REMAINS IN LIBRA IN

> NAVAMSA SO

> > >>> ITS SAMDHARMI TO VENUS. IT WILL REPLACE VENUS

FOR

> THE

> > >>> HOUSE THAT VENUS IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS.

THE

> > >>> POSITION OF MARS CHANGES IN LAGNA THOUGH. MAYBE

IF

> U

> > >>> SEE THINGS WITH MARS BEING IN 12TH INSTEAD OF

11TH

> YOU

> > >>> MAY SEE MY VIEW POINT. AGAIN I AM EMPHASISING

ON

> THE

> > >>> FACT THAT STRENGTH OR THE WORKSHEET THAT I GAVE

IS

> > >>> COMPUTED FROM RASHI ONLY AND SAMDHARMIS IS

COMPUTED

> FROM

> > >>> RASHI AND NAVAMSA. RASHI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL

> STATUS

> > >>> AS PER KAS AND WE FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES FOR

FINDING

> > >>> DELAY. I HAVE DEMONSTRATED IN THIS MAIL

REGARDING

> > >>> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH WITH LAKSHMI. FOR THAT I HAVE

> > >>> COMPUTED DELAY FOR MARRIAGE USING 2 ZEROES, AND

> SHANI

> > >>> ASPECTING PRIMIARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES FROM

RASHI

> AND

> > >>> THEIR LORDS IN NAVAMSA AND USING WORKSHEET

STRENGTH

> I

> > >>> HAVE COMPUTED THE TIME FRAME. IT WILL BE

> INTERSTING IF

> > >>> LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON THE SAME. THERE IS A

SLIGHT

> > >>> DIFFERENCE IN THE WORKSHEET. SOME HOW IN HASTE

MY

> > >>> AYANAMSA CHANGE BUT IT WILL NOT MAKE A

DIFFERENCE

> FOR

> > >>> MARRAIGE. HERE IS THE CORRECTED VERSION OF THE

> > >>> WORKSHEET. MERCURY STILL HAS 18 POINTS FOR 7TH

> HOUSE

> > >>> AND MOSTLY ALL HOUSES.

> > >>>

> > >>> *Hse* *SAV Pt* *Su* *Mo*

*Ma*

> *Me* *Ju* *Ve* *Sa*

> > >>> *1* 25 17 20 12

20 11

> 7 10

> > >>> *2* 23 9 16 14

22 22

> 14 12

> > >>> *3* 31 16 15 12

11 4

> 14 7

> > >>> *4* 26 11 17 7

23 7

> 10 23

> > >>> *5* 32 12 23 9

19 16

> 22 15

> > >>> *6* 32 18 16 18

21 5

> 8 11

> > >>> *7* 20 10 14 9

18 11

> 18 10

> > >>> *8* 19 22 12 9

25 4

> 17 10

> > >>> *9* 28 8 12 14

7 5

> 21 3

> > >>> *10* 34 17 13 7

16 21

> 16 4

> > >>> *11* 38 16 15 15

21 4

> 15 19

> > >>> *12* 29 10 14 11

9 8

> 14 15

> > >>>

> > >>> THANKING YOU,

> > >>>

> > >>> CHEERS !!!

> > >>>

> > >>> ASH

> > >>>

> > >>> Regards,

> > >>> Chandrashekhar.

> > >>>

> > >>> Ash wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi,

> > >>>> There is a difference between a house getting

20

> bindus

> > >>>> and a house getting 19 bindus as you are

aware. I

> > >>>> agree both are weak with 20 bindus being a

stronger

> > >>>> than 19 bindus. At the same token if a bhave

gets

> 1

> > >>>> bindu more it means one other house is getting

1

> bindu

> > >>>> less.

> > >>>> It also means that some planet has made a

> favourable

> > >>>> yog w.r.t one house and not with another. Is

it

> not ?

> > >>>> I use Krushnas Ashtakvarga system as you are

also

> aware.

> > >>>> In that SAV is the base from that we derive the

> > >>>> strength of each planet for each and every

house

> and

> > >>>> also for each and every 16 divisional chart.

When

> > >>>> casting the worksheet the aspects are not

> considered in

> > >>>> the D charts only the basis strength.

> > >>>> The BAV values given by Parasara in my opinion

have

> > >>>> become corrupt. The BAV distribution scheme by

> > >>>> Varharamira is correct. The settings are also

> given in

> > >>>> JHL software where you tick off the check boxes

in

> the

> > >>>> lite version. If you use the option of

> Varharamira you

> > >>>> will get 20 bindus for 7th house. It would be

> good to

> > >>>> understand if you have intentionally used

> Parasara's

> > >>>> scheme of BAV or generally use Varharmiras

> scheme ?

> > >>>> To come to the final stength of each and every

> planet

> > >>>> for each house .

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Here is the final strength of planet for

Ramesh's

> chart.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> These are total strength of the planets and

> derived by

> > >>>> considering the following.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> 1) 4:10

> > >>>> 2) Addition of 5 points for LoD and LoE or 10th

> lord

> > >>>> and 6th lord from house under consideration

> > >>>> 3) Planets in 10th and 6th hosue from house

under

> > >>>> consideration with > 4 bindus.

> > >>>> 4) Planets aspecting primary significator house

i.e

> > >>>> Karak, phal and phalit sthans.

> > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspects on karak, phal and

> phalit sthan

> > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspect on planets

> > >>>> 6) Adjustment of 12th from house under focus

> > >>>> 7) Adjustment of 6th lord.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> After meticulously considering all these

factors we

> > >>>> come to strength of each planet for each and

every

> > >>>> house. Like that we also compute strength for

all

> d

> > >>>> charts but in that we only conider the strength

for

> > >>>> karak, phal and phalit sthan for each and every

> house.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> You have said that Shani is stronger than

Guru.

> Here

> > >>>> you can see both Shani and Guru at a glace on

how

> they

> > >>>> will deliver their results in their respective

> antar

> > >>>> dasha.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> I do hear ya regarding the system not being

> different

> > >>>> from parasara. Actually parasara did give the

BAV

> > >>>> scheme but it has become corrupt over time.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Here Jupiter is in 10th from 10th house so its

> > >>>> foritifying 10th house and also Guru is with 5

> bindus

> > >>>> in 7th house and in multrikon so its very eager

to

> give

> > >>>> results for 10th house.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> If you see the worksheet you can see Ju is

having

> 22

> > >>>> points for 10th house and Shani has 7 points

for

> 10th

> > >>>> house. There is a big difference in authority

that

> > >>>> Ramesh would have been bestowed in the antras

of

> Guru

> > >>>> and Shani.

> > >>>> At the same time if you see expenses v/s income

in

> Guru

> > >>>> and shani and compare the 11th v/s 12th points

you

> can

> > >>>> see more expenses in shani compared to Guru

antra.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> *House* *Signs* *SAV*

*Su* *Mo*

> *Ma* *Me* *Ju*

> > >>>> *Ve* *Sa*

> > >>>> 1 Gemini 23 16 19

13 20

> 17 7 16

> > >>>> 2 Cancer 24 10 15

20 23

> 23 14 16

> > >>>> 3 Leo 30 9 21

9 19

> 11 11 13

> > >>>> 4 Virgo 26 7 22

9 24

> 14 4 23

> > >>>> 5 Libra 33 8 23

5 20

> 22 16 19

> > >>>> 6 Scorpio 32 16

20 21

> 24 13 9 17

> > >>>> 7 Sagittarius 20 7

19 5

> 25 17 12 8

> > >>>> 8 Capricorn 21 15

19 9

> 24 9 12 12

> > >>>> 9 Aquarius 29 7

17 13

> 11 14 22 9

> > >>>> 10 Pisces 29 13

10 -2 17

> 22 9 7

> > >>>> 11 Aries 40 11 21

10 26

> 14 10 19

> > >>>> 12 Taurus 30 5 21

10 19

> 12 10 20

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Thanks,

> > >>>> Cheers !!!

> > >>>> Ash

> > >>>>

> > >>>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Dear Ash,

> > >>>> Even with 20 points the Bhava lacks

strength,

> is it

> > >>>> not? Saturn there however extends

protection.

> By

> > >>>> the way I am not aware of any Ashtakavarga

> system

> > >>>> which gives differential value of

Bindus/Rekhas

> > >>>> based on Lagna of a native or placement of

a

> planet

> > >>>> in a Rasi, aspects received by it and

> association

> > >>>> with other planets. May I know to which

system

> you

> > >>>> are referring to and the weightage for these

> > >>>> factors given in that system by increasing

or

> > >>>> reducing the Bindus/Rekhas.

> > >>>> If you are talking about using other

> parameters in

> > >>>> association with Ashtakavarga then of

course

> that

> > >>>> is a different matter and would not

constitute

> > >>>> different system than Parashara.

> > >>>> Regards,

> > >>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> ashsam73 wrote:

> > >>>>

> > >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Pardon me for my intervention.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I would like to comment on Ashtakavarga.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> 1) It seems that you have used Parasaras

> scheme of

> > >>>>> BAV. With

> > >>>>> Varharamiras scheme you get 20 points in

> Ramesh's

> > >>>>> 7th house.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> 2) For nodes are we know are not planets.

> They

> > >>>>> are used indirectly.

> > >>>>> They are samdharmi to sign lord and

nakshatra

> > >>>>> lord. For natural

> > >>>>> nature as you have said or quoted in

numerious

> > >>>>> posts Rahu is like

> > >>>>> Shani and Ketu like Mars. Functionally

they

> will

> > >>>>> be more like the

> > >>>>> planet i.e. either sign lord or nak lord

as

> per

> > >>>>> the points they

> > >>>>> receive in their BAV. For example, if

Rahu

> is in

> > >>>>> Gemini and nak of

> > >>>>> punarvasu then it will represent Me and

Ju.

> If

> > >>>>> say Ge is 3rd house

> > >>>>> and in 3rd house Ju gets 5 bindus and Me

gets

> say

> > >>>>> 6 bindus then Rahu

> > >>>>> will act more like Mercury.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> 3) With regards to your comment on

> Ashtakavarg not

> > >>>>> using sign

> > >>>>> placement is not entirely correct. If

used

> with a

> > >>>>> proper system the

> > >>>>> sign placement can give idea on quantum of

> result

> > >>>>> and its not used to

> > >>>>> find timing of result. For timing of

result

> > >>>>> Ashtakvarg, SAV and

> > >>>>> total strength of planets derived from SAV

is

> good

> > >>>>> enough to time

> > >>>>> results effectively.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Maybe knowledge of Ashtakvarg that is

> available in

> > >>>>> texts today is not

> > >>>>> complete and may lead to confusion.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Ashtakvarg system used is an effective

tool in

> > >>>>> timing of events.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> A couple of points on Ramesh's chart.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> 1) In Ramesh's chart there are 2

consecutive

> > >>>>> zeroes one given by

> > >>>>> Venus to 7th and one by Mars to 8th.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> 2) Jupiter antra will be very eager to

bestow

> > >>>>> authority to Ramesh and

> > >>>>> also for acquisition of wealth. Between

> 1997/04

> > >>>>> thru 1999/10 Ramesh

> > >>>>> might have been given a role of

> responsibility.

> > >>>>> Also a good time to

> > >>>>> make investments and accumulation of

wealth.

> > >>>>> Lakshami can verify

> > >>>>> this antra.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Thanking you,

> > >>>>> Cheers !!!

> > >>>>> Ash

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> vedic astrology,

> > >>>>> Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

> > >>>>> wrote:

> > >>>>> > Dear Lakshmi,

> > >>>>> > I think in Ramesh's case Saturn is Lord

of

> the

> > >>>>> 9th is it not? He

> > >>>>> not

> > >>>>> > only associates a Kendra Lord but is

also

> is in

> > >>>>> kendra being a

> > >>>>> trine

> > >>>>> > lord. He is also Lord of Navamsha Lagna

> > >>>>> aspecting Lagna, besides

> > >>>>> being

> > >>>>> > placed in a trikona. Jupiter on the

other

> hand

> > >>>>> is Lord of 2nd and

> > >>>>> 11th

> > >>>>> > in Navamsha and in 3rd house. I would

> certainly

> > >>>>> treat Saturn as

> > >>>>> more

> > >>>>> > powerful than Jupiter, even if in Lagna

> Jupiter

> > >>>>> appears to be with

> > >>>>> > greater strength. But there too he is

only a

> > >>>>> Kendra Lord in Kendra

> > >>>>> > associating a trine lord. Since we are

> talking

> > >>>>> about 7th house

> > >>>>> would it

> > >>>>> > not be right to look at the Navamsha

> strengths

> > >>>>> of the planets,

> > >>>>> before

> > >>>>> > coming to conclusion about 7th house? If

we

> look

> > >>>>> at Ashtaka Varga

> > >>>>> then

> > >>>>> > SAV would rather prove my view point as

it

> shows

> > >>>>> 7th house with 19

> > >>>>> > points. Personally I give more weightage

to

> > >>>>> Natal chart read with

> > >>>>> > Navamsha. the reason is Ashtakavarga do

not

> > >>>>> consider effects of

> > >>>>> nodes ,

> > >>>>> > neither do they consider house ownership

or

> Rasi

> > >>>>> occupation

> > >>>>> > weightage.Your opinion would be

appreciated.

> > >>>>> > Chandrashekhar.

> > >>>>> >

> > >>>>> > lakshmi ramesh wrote:

> > >>>>> >

> > >>>>> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >>>>> > >

> > >>>>> > > Namaste Chandrasekar ji,

> > >>>>> > >

> > >>>>> > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in

own

> > >>>>> house/moolatrikona.

> > >>>>> Please

> > >>>>> > > look at the ashtakavarga & bala of

> Saturn. Who

> > >>>>> is more empowered

> > >>>>> to

> > >>>>> > > protect the house, based on both

strength

> and

> > >>>>> functionality,

> > >>>>> Jupiter

> > >>>>> > > or Saturn? I request you to ponder on

> this.

> > >>>>> > >

> > >>>>> > > Regards,

> > >>>>> > > Lakshmi

> > >>>>> > >

> > >>>>> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > >>>>> > >

> > >>>>> > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > >>>>> > > If I may point out, in Javed's

case

> Guru

> > >>>>> is in own house and

> > >>>>> in

> > >>>>> > > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts

Guru.

> The

> > >>>>> dictum is Sthana

> > >>>>> rakshati

> > >>>>> > > Mandah. Guru's exception to house

> damage

> > >>>>> occurs when he is in

> > >>>>> own

> > >>>>> > > house.

> > >>>>> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >>>>> > >

> > >>>>> > > lakshmi ramesh wrote:

> > >>>>> > >

> > >>>>> > >> Om Gurave Namah

> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>> > >> Namaste Pradeep ji,

> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>> > >> I happen to know of individuals

who

> have

> > >>>>> strong Guru in 4th

> > >>>>> and

> > >>>>> > >> 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has

blessed

> the

> > >>>>> individual with

> > >>>>> great

> > >>>>> > >> knowledge, an intelligence that

> borders

> > >>>>> on genius and a rare

> > >>>>> > >> inner harmony. That person, a

devout

> > >>>>> Muslim, is one of the

> > >>>>> finest

> > >>>>> > >> individuals I have ever come

across,

> and

> > >>>>> he is very attached

> > >>>>> to

> > >>>>> > >> his family and mother and there

are

> no

> > >>>>> problems what so ever

> > >>>>> on

> > >>>>> > >> the home front. This individual

is

> highly

> > >>>>> esteemed in his

> > >>>>> work

> > >>>>> > >> environment and has all the

comforts

> one

> > >>>>> could desire.

> > >>>>> Infact,

> > >>>>> > >> Guru in 4th is supposed to cast

> > >>>>> sukhargala on lagna, which is

> > >>>>> > >> good for the general health &

> happiness

> > >>>>> of the person.

> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>> > >> The individual with Jupiter &

Saturn

> in

> > >>>>> 7th (Dhanus) is my

> > >>>>> own

> > >>>>> > >> dear husband. We have been very

> happily

> > >>>>> married for nearly 20

> > >>>>> > >> years. My husband has prospered

> > >>>>> remarkably after marriage.

> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>> > >> I am posting the charts here.

> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>> > >> I request that you also post the

> charts

> > >>>>> of the individuals to

> > >>>>> > >> whom you were referring in your

> post, for

> > >>>>> our edification and

> > >>>>> > >> discussion.

> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>> > >> Regards,

> > >>>>> > >> Lakshmi

> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>> > >> */vijayadas_pradeep

> > >>>>> <vijayadas_pradeep>/* wrote:

> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>> > >> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>> > >> I have been trying to test the

> > >>>>> principles taught by you

> > >>>>> > >> related to

> > >>>>> > >> guru in various bhavas.

> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>> > >> When in 3rd always some

> difficulties

> > >>>>> for siblings.Even

> > >>>>> when

> > >>>>> > >> in own

> > >>>>> > >> sign and in 4th,problems for

> mother

> > >>>>> and at home front.

> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>> > >> When in 7th at marriage

> front.When in

> > >>>>> Lagna and not in

> > >>>>> own

> > >>>>> > >> sign some

> > >>>>> > >> physical weakness and health

> problems

> > >>>>> in childhood.

> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>> > >> Thus Guru tests the individual

> > >>>>> thouroughly.

> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>> > >> Also sages have advised that

> Guru is

> > >>>>> not favourable while

> > >>>>> > >> transiting

> > >>>>> > >> kendra houses 1,4,and 10th

from

> > >>>>> moon.Only the 7th kendra

> > >>>>> is

> > >>>>> > >> beneficial.(Is there any

reason

> for

> > >>>>> this?) Only

> > >>>>> 2nd,5th,7th

> > >>>>> > >> and 9th

> > >>>>> > >> are favourable.11th being

good

> for

> > >>>>> all planets in

> > >>>>> general.

> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>> > >> Respect

> > >>>>> > >> Pradeep

> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>> > >> --- In

> > >>>>> vedic astrology,

> Chandrashekhar

> > >>>>> > >> <boxdel>

> > >>>>> > >> wrote:

> > >>>>> > >> > Dear Anuj,

> > >>>>> > >> > I am glad you agree with

me.

> As you

> > >>>>> rightly said in

> > >>>>> your

> > >>>>> > >> message

> > >>>>> > >> to

> > >>>>> > >> > Razdan,a the dictum is

pretty

> well

> > >>>>> known to

> > >>>>> astrologers.

> > >>>>> > >> There are

> > >>>>> > >> many

> > >>>>> > >> > shlokas to that effects and

> charts

> > >>>>> prove the veracity

> > >>>>> of the

> > >>>>> > >> dictum, I

> > >>>>> > >> > have myself posted a few of

> them

> > >>>>> earlier.

> > >>>>> > >> > Unfortunately there is a

> tendency

> > >>>>> to mix up terms like

> > >>>>> > >> Benefic/Malefic

> > >>>>> > >> > with the results a planet

is

> likely

> > >>>>> to give. This

> > >>>>> happens more

> > >>>>> > >> with

> > >>>>> > >> > Jupiter as people usually

tend

> to

> > >>>>> equate it with

> > >>>>> Deeksha

> > >>>>> > >> Guru as

> > >>>>> > >> his

> > >>>>> > >> > name in Sanskrit is Guru.

> People

> > >>>>> tend to forget

> > >>>>> Parashara

> > >>>>> > >> telling

> > >>>>> > >> when

> > >>>>> > >> > Guru can act as Maraka and

> want to

> > >>>>> attribute only good

> > >>>>> and

> > >>>>> > >> pious

> > >>>>> > >> > attributes to him. I prefer

to

> keep

> > >>>>> my personal

> > >>>>> feelings and

> > >>>>> > >> prejudices

> > >>>>> > >> > apart from application of

> > >>>>> astrological principles.

> > >>>>> > >> > Take care,

> > >>>>> > >> > Chandrashekhar.

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > nameisego wrote:

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > Respected Chandrashekhar

ji.

> > >>>>> > >> > > Please accpet my pranams

as

> you

> > >>>>> are the senior most

> > >>>>> Guru

> > >>>>> > >> in age

> > >>>>> > >> and

> > >>>>> > >> > > experience in this group.

> > >>>>> > >> > > Your observation about

Guru

> is

> > >>>>> absolutely right.

> > >>>>> > >> > > Self had posted in this

> group and

> > >>>>> elsewhere an

> > >>>>> article on "

> > >>>>> > >> > > "Guru Boon or Bane??"

some

> time

> > >>>>> back where it was

> > >>>>> shown

> > >>>>> > >> Guru's

> > >>>>> > >> > > position in various

houses

> which

> > >>>>> had been

> > >>>>> > >> destroyed/troubled by

> > >>>>> > >> Guru.

> > >>>>> > >> > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva

> > >>>>> > >> > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau

Shanih"

> > >>>>> > >> > > This Dictum had been

proved

> by self.

> > >>>>> > >> > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go

thro'

> > >>>>> older postings and read

> > >>>>> for

> > >>>>> > >> yourself and

> > >>>>> > >> > > check the examples that

were

> given.

> > >>>>> > >> > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > Difference between

Jupiter

> and

> > >>>>> saturn is, Jupiter

> > >>>>> sucks the

> > >>>>> > >> goodness

> > >>>>> > >> > > of a house and gives

fruit to

> > >>>>> houses it aspects.

> > >>>>> Saturn

> > >>>>> > >> sucks the

> > >>>>> > >> > > houses he aspects and

> increases

> > >>>>> the house it

> > >>>>> occupies.

> > >>>>> > >> > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > >>>>> > >> > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > --- In

> > >>>>> vedic astrology, PNRazdan

> > >>>>> > >> <pnrazdan>

> > >>>>> > >> > > wrote:

> > >>>>> > >> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > >>>>> > >> > > > You seem to be

extending

> your

> > >>>>> arguments against

> > >>>>> Jupiter

> > >>>>> > >> still

> > >>>>> > >> > > further.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > Firstly you said that

Jup

> is

> > >>>>> ashub in houses it is

> > >>>>> a

> > >>>>> > >> designated as a

> > >>>>> > >> > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and

11

> > >>>>> based on the principle

> > >>>>> of

> > >>>>> > >> "Karka

> > >>>>> > >> Bhavo

> > >>>>> > >> > > Nasa"

> > >>>>> > >> > > > . Now you say that it

will

> harm

> > >>>>> every house it is

> > >>>>> > >> placed in.

> > >>>>> > >> Why

> > >>>>> > >> > > this

> > >>>>> > >> > > > animosity with Jup, the

> hope of

> > >>>>> millions believing

> > >>>>> in Vedic

> > >>>>> > >> > > Astrology

> > >>>>> > >> > > > (in lighter vein).

> > >>>>> > >> > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > You refer to some

dictum

> of a

> > >>>>> sage, source was not

> > >>>>> > >> given by

> > >>>>> > >> you. But

> > >>>>> > >> > > > take out any basic book

on

> > >>>>> ancient astrology. It

> > >>>>> always

> > >>>>> > >> speaks

> > >>>>> > >> of

> > >>>>> > >> > > the

> > >>>>> > >> > > > benefic qualities of

> Jupiter.

> > >>>>> Somewhere it is even

> > >>>>> > >> said, that

> > >>>>> > >> > > howsoever

> > >>>>> > >> > > > bad it may be placed

in, it

> > >>>>> will still try to help

> > >>>>> the

> > >>>>> > >> subject. And

> > >>>>> > >> > > > this has been amply

proved

> by

> > >>>>> our experience.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > I am afraid. you will

have

> to

> > >>>>> do some more

> > >>>>> hardwork for

> > >>>>> > >> convincing

> > >>>>> > >> > > all

> > >>>>> > >> > > > about your notions of

> Jupiter,

> > >>>>> the heavenly

> > >>>>> Brahiman. This

> > >>>>> > >> would

> > >>>>> > >> > > even

> > >>>>> > >> > > > mean a paradigm shift

in

> Vedic

> > >>>>> Astrology.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > Pran Razdan

> > >>>>> > >> > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> > >>>>> <boxdel> wrote:

> > >>>>> > >> > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > Reference to Leo was

in

> > >>>>> connection with what

> > >>>>> > >> Shubhangi had

> > >>>>> > >> asked.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > Jupiter harming the

> house he

> > >>>>> is placed in is a

> > >>>>> dictum

> > >>>>> > >> given

> > >>>>> > >> by

> > >>>>> > >> > > sages

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > and

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > there is no reason to

> try to

> > >>>>> find out the

> > >>>>> reason. If one

> > >>>>> > >> wants to

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > find

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > the reason about Leo,

> > >>>>> consider this in natural

> > >>>>> zodiac

> > >>>>> > >> Leo is

> > >>>>> > >> in

> > >>>>> > >> > > 5th

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > house whose

occupation by

> > >>>>> Jupiter leads to

> > >>>>> Karaka Bhava

> > >>>>> > >> Dasha. In

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > 11th

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > all planets are

Shubha

> so it

> > >>>>> is not only Jupiter

> > >>>>> who is

> > >>>>> > >> Shubha

> > >>>>> > >> > > there.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > Disha strength is one

> amongst

> > >>>>> many strengths

> > >>>>> > >> considered but

> > >>>>> > >> not

> > >>>>> > >> > > as

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > strong as Digbala and

> Jupiter

> > >>>>> gets that in Lagna.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > Prafulla Gang wrote:

> > >>>>> > >> > > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar

ji

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > In my humble view,

> (Jupiter

> > >>>>> may not be

> > >>>>> preferred in

> > >>>>> > >> Leo for

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > Muhurta,

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > I do not know much

> about

> > >>>>> muhurta related

> > >>>>> > >> configurations),It may

> > >>>>> > >> > > not

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > become weak in

terms of

> > >>>>> Bala necessarily

> > >>>>> (generally

> > >>>>> > >> speaking).

> > >>>>> > >> > > In

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact, jupiter in

3rd

> house

> > >>>>> in Libra is

> > >>>>> considered bad.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Jupiter in 11th

house

> (any

> > >>>>> sign) will have

> > >>>>> directional

> > >>>>> > >> strength

> > >>>>> > >> > > to

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > initiate for

results.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > There must be more

than

> > >>>>> this reason, for

> > >>>>> jupiter to

> > >>>>> > >> give

> > >>>>> > >> > > negative

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > results.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > regards/Prafulla

Gang

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > --- In

> > >>>>> vedic astrology,

> > >>>>> Chandrashekhar

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > <boxdel>

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Dear Shubhangi,

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Being an Indian

you

> must

> > >>>>> know that Jupiter

> > >>>>> looses his

> > >>>>> > >> > > strength in

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Leo

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > and that is why

> there are

> > >>>>> no Muhurtas for

> > >>>>> > >> marriages when

> > >>>>> > >> > > Jupiter

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > occupies Leo or

what

> is

> > >>>>> called as Simhastha.

> > >>>>> That

> > >>>>> > >> is due

> > >>>>> > >> to

> > >>>>> > >> > > the

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact of

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Guru lacking

Bala. In

> > >>>>> your brother's case Sun

> > >>>>> > >> being in

> > >>>>> > >> own

> > >>>>> > >> > > Rasi

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > makes

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > him Shubha and

> therefore

> > >>>>> good relations with

> > >>>>> > >> Father. But

> > >>>>> > >> I

> > >>>>> > >> > > would

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > say he

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > would not follow

> father's

> > >>>>> profession.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik

wrote:

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Dear Sir,

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Sorry for

> intervening in

> > >>>>> your session, but

> > >>>>> I am

> > >>>>> > >> curious

> > >>>>> > >> to

> > >>>>> > >> > > know

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > the logic behind

> jupiter

> > >>>>> losing its strength

> > >>>>> in leo

> > >>>>> > >> and

> > >>>>> > >> hence

> > >>>>> > >> > > this

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > email.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Yes, your dictum

> worked

> > >>>>> in my brother's

> > >>>>> case also.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >My brother has

> sun+jup

> > >>>>> in leo but in 8th, no

> > >>>>> > >> doubt he

> > >>>>> > >> is very

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > intelligent but did

> not do

> > >>>>> much well in

> > >>>>> academics

> > >>>>> > >> and yes,

> > >>>>> > >> he

> > >>>>> > >> > > did

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fail once in his

10th

> class.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >With my half

> knowledge I

> > >>>>> thought the reason

> > >>>>> to

> > >>>>> > >> be the

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > positioning

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > of both the planets

in

> 8th,

> > >>>>> but now curious to

> > >>>>> know

> > >>>>> > >> why jup

> > >>>>> > >> > > losses

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > strength in leo.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >But though both

> planets

> > >>>>> are positioned in

> > >>>>> 8th, both

> > >>>>> > >> father

> > >>>>> > >> > > and

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > son shares good

> relation

> > >>>>> with each other.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Thanks,

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Shubhangi

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep

2004

> > >>>>> Chandrashekhar wrote :

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira,

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>There you see

the

> > >>>>> dictum working. Is it

> > >>>>> not?

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Regards,

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar.

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >>>>> > >&

> > >>>>

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September 28, 2004

Dear Pradeep,

Please just call me Ash.

My answers in CAPS.

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> Dear Ash ji & Chandrashekhar ji

>

> This debate on Astakavarga and its importance during chart analysis

> is becoming really educative.

ASH : I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE LEARNING FROM CHANDRASHEKHAR AND MY

DISCUSSION.

I was scared to ask any questions due

> to my ignorance. But i think i may ask couple of questions of

broad

> nature.

ASH : WHY ARE U SCARED OF ASKING ANY QUESTION ? IT IS AN HONOUR FOR

ANYONE WHO WANTS TO LEARN THIS SCIENCE OF LIGHT AND HELP PEOPLE IN

NEED. I HAVE SEEN SUCH NICE POSTS FROM YOU IN THE PAST. PLEASE FEEL

FREE TO ASK. I SHALL TRY TO ANSWER EACH POINT IN THE LIMITED TIME

AND RESOUCES I HAVE.

>

> Ash ji, I am glad that your system considers the Vargas as an

> inherent division within the Rashi,and it should be like that as >

per my humble understanding of Parashara.This gives me confidence and

> trust.Now you have said jupiter within the second navamsha,in

cancer

> is samadharmi to Sun.

ASH : BEFORE WE DWELVE ANY FURTHER PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE

FOLLOWING.

1) ASHTAKAVARGA IS TAUGHT BY MAHARISHI PARASARA AND VARHARAMIRA AND

MOSTLY ALL BOOKS HAVE REFERENCE AND SHOLKES ON ASHTAKAVARGA. BUT IN

NO BOOK A SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING ASHTAKAVARGA IS GIVEN.

2) ASHTAKAVARGA IS A TOOL GIVEN AND IS USED IN ALL VARGAS. ITS

APPLICABLE IN ALL D-CHARTS. EXPLORE THE FEATURES GIVEN IN JHL AND

YOU CAN SEE THAT ITS PROGRAMMED TO GIVE SAV FOR ALL D-CHARTS.

3) ASHTAKAVARGA WHEN USED IN A FULL SYSTEM IS USED VERY EFFECTIVELY

TO TIME ALL EVENTS. ITS USE IS NOT LIMITED TO TRANSITS AND TIMING

LONGEVITY.

4) WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM ALL FACTORS ARE

CONSIDERED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. ASHTAKAVARGA IF YOU GO DEEPER AND

TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE THEORY BEHIND KAS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND

WHAT I AM SAYING. I MYSELF HAVE SPEND SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO

UNDERSTAND THE DEEP THEORY BEHIND KAS AND AM TRUELY AMAZED. IT DID

NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT BUT IT TOOK TIME AND DEDICATION AND I STILL HAVE

MUCH TO LEARN.

OK. NOW THAT THIS IS CLARIFIED I SHALL PROCEED TO ANSWER YOUR

QUESTIONS.

>

> As per my understanding ,any transiting planet will trigger the

> planets placed in a house ,their lords and also the lord of the

> transiting house.Thus when a planet transits say 3deg 20 to 6 deg

> 40, (as you have mentioned) in Cancer,it is also transiting

navamsha

> of sun, w.r to that Rashi.Thus this transit will trigger Sun and

> also Jupiter,as jupiter is placed within that navamsha.Also this is

> an intense transit as far as the planet is concerned (exact

> navamsha).

>

> Is this the basis for Samadharmi?

ASH : OK. TRANSITS IS A VERY DETAILED TOPIC. IN SHORT I WILL TELL U

SOMETHING. YOU CAN STUDY HOW ONE WILL FEEL IN A DAY BY USING SAV.

THERE IS A FULL LESSON JUST EXPLAINING THIS. SO THAT COVERES ONE

PORTION OF TRANSITS. THE SECOND PORTION OF TRANSITS IS STUDYING

INDIVIDUAL TRANSITS. EACH TRANSIT MEANS DIFFERENT THNINGS BASED ON

KALPURUSH CHART AND THE NATAL CHART. TRANSIT OF SUN IS MOST

IMPORTANT TO TIME EVENTS. SUN IS BOSS OF ALL PLANETS. TRANSIT OF

SHANI AND GURU IS VERY IMPORTANT TO STUDY FINANCES. BEFORE YOU GET

INTO TRANSITS ONE MUST KNOW CLEARLY THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANETS FOR

EACH AND EVERY HOUSE. THE POWER OF EACH PLANET.

PRADEEP I AM FINDING IT HARD TO COMPRESS 35 LESSONS INTO 1 EMAIL.

TRANSITS IS A VERY LOADED TOPIC. I SHALL GIVE U REFERENCES BUT I

SUGGEST YOU STUDY ONE THING AT A TIME AND NOT CONFUSE MANY THINGS.

RELATION BETWEEN RASHI AND NAVAMSA IS MOST IMPORTANT. AGAIN THERE

ARE LESSONS ON THIS ALSO. THIS IS CO-TIED AND CO-RELATED WITH

SAMDHARMI CONCEPT.

WHAT IS SAMDHARMI YOU ASK ? ITS AGAIN A LOADED TOPIC. IN SHORT WHEN

PLANETS ARE IN 4:10 AND UNDER CERTAIN CONDITION I.E. PLANET IN 10TH

MUST HAVE LESS POINTS I.E. < 4 BINDUS AND PLANET IN 4THF ROM IT MUST

HAVE MORE THAN 4 POINTS IN THAT CASE THE 2 PLANETS BECOME POWEFUL

SAMDHARMIS. PLANETS IN THE SAME SIGN BECOME SAMDHARMI. WHEN SAY

GURU IS BETWEEN 3DEG20 TO 6DEG20 IN CANCER THEN THIS GURU WILL BECOME

SAMDHARMI TO SUN AS IT WILL FALL IN NAVAMSA OF SUN. SO AS YOU SAY

NAVAMSA DEPOSITER IS CONSIDERED. RAHU AND KETU ARE SAMDHARMI TO SIGN

AND NAKSHATRA LORDS.

NATURAL SAMDHARMIS ARE VENUS AND SHANI. MOON AND MARS AND SUN AND

MARS. IF YOU STUDY KEENLY VENUS AND SHANI ARE YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH

OTHERS HOUSES. ALSO IF YOU STUDY MORE CLOSELY THAT VENUS AND SHANI

ARE IN 5:9 AND 4:10 RELATION BETWEEN HOUSES OWNED BY THE PLANET SAME

FOR MOON AND MARS AND SUN AND MARS. THEY ARE ALSO YOGAKARAKS.

SO LIKE THIS PLANETS CAN BECOME SAMDHAMIRS. FOR THAT THERE ARE 2

LESSONS DEDICATED TO EXPALIN THIS CONCEPT.

IF A PLANET IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS DUE TO ITS ASPECT ON A HOUSE

THEN ITS SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN AND DELIVER IT. LIKE THIS THERE ARE

SOME RULES.

GURU IS SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS

5TH HOUSE AND 5TH HOSUE IS PRIMARY SIGNFIFICATOR OF THE HOUSE SO ITS

GENERALLY SAID TO BE SPOILT AS ITSELF CANT GIVE RESULT. SOME

SAMDHARNMI WILL GIVE IT. SIMILARLY IN VEDIC TEXTS ITS GIVEN THAT

MARS SPOILS THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND SIMILAR LOGIC AS MARS ASPECTS

8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AGAIN TAHT IS A PRIMARY

SIGNIFICCATOR HOUSE SO ITSELF CANT GIVE RESULTS GENERALLY SO ITS

SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN.

LESSON 8 AND 25 ARE DEDICATED TO TEACHING THE CONCEPT OF SAMDHARMIS.

FOR THOSE TO WHO THIS TERM MIGHT BE ALIEN, THIS CONCEPT COVERS SO

MANY THINGS WHICH IS LIKE YOGAKARAK, PLANEST PLACED IN SAME SIGN,

4:10 OR I AM NOT SURE BUT IT MAYBE CALLED PARASPARAK OR MUTUAL CO-

WORKERS, NAVAMSA DEPOSITER, RAHU/KETU, PLANETS IN SAME NAKSHATRRA,

PLANETS PLACED IN SAME NAVAMSA SO IT MAY COVER THINGS LIKE SAY IF 2

PLANETS ARE PLACED IN NAV-PANCHAM AND IN EXACT THEN THEY BECOME

SAMDHARMI AS THEY WILL COME IN SAME SIGN IN NAVAMSA. LIKE THAT SO

MANY THINGS ARE COVERED. PLEASE READ THE LESSONS AND FOR A LEARNED

PERSON LIKE YOU, YOU CAN EASILY UNDERSAND IT.

>

> And i understand ,which planets transit ? will deliver such results

> has to be understood based on the values and the chart as a

> whole.Here the planets role,SAV and the individual points w.r to

> bhavas have a role to play.Am i right?.I am yet to learn the basics

> behind these.

>

ASH : WHEN YOU READ THE LESSONS YOU WILL UNDERSERSTAND THAT THE KEY

TO TIMING OF EVENTS LIES IN UPCHAYA HOUSES. BAV-SAV-WORKSHEET

CONSIDER SO MANY FACTORS AND FROM THAT WE GET THE STRENGTH OF PLANETS

FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE IN NUMERICAL FORMAT.

ONCE U KNOW THE STRENGTH OF THE PLANET THEN LIFE UNFOLDS AS PER

VIMSHOTTARI DASHSA STARTING FROM MOON. THIS YOU CAN STUDY AS YOU

WILL HAVE THE WORKSHEET WITH YOU AND IN ANY ANTRA YOU CAN EASILY SEE

HOW A PLANET WHOS ANTRA IS RUNNING WILL ACT FOR ALL 12 HOUSES.

IF YOU READ THE LESSONS IT WIL BECOME MORE EASY FOR ME TO EXPLAIN

THINGS AS YOU WILL HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OTHERWISE WHAT I AM SAYING

WILL SOUND GREEK AND LATIN. ON KAS LIST THERE ARE SO MANY CHARTS

SOLVED AND IT CAN ALSO GIVE ONE AN UNDERSTANDING ON THE SYSTEM AND

USE OF ASHTAKAVARG.

> Now one question,similar to what Chandrashekhar ji has asked - Does

> this system account for the navamsha rashi relation ,while deriving

> strengths?

ASH : WHEN YOU READ LESSONS 8 AND 25 THIS QUESTION WILL GET

RESOLVED. YES ALL RELATIONS ARE CONSIDERED. WHEN YOU FIND SAMDHARMI

ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED.

For example if Jupiter is within capricorn navamsha,while

> arriving at strength of jupiter is this point considered?Does any

> Ashtakavarga system take into account varga positions while

arriving

> at strength?

ASH : ASHTAKAVARGA GIVES STRENGTH OF PLANETS AND WORKSHEET WHICH IS

DERIVED FROM SAV GIVES COMBINED EFFECT. FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR ALL

12 HOUSES IN NUMERICAL FORMAT. WHEN GURU GOES IUN NAVAMSA OF SHANI

IT BECOMES SAMDHARMI TO SHANI. IF GURU IS IN SAY FIRST 3DEG20 TO

6DEG40 IN CAPRICORN THEN ITS SAMDHARMI TO GURU AND THE MULTIPLICATION

FACTOR IS 0.8. THIS PART IS LESSON 27. IF GURU WERE TO BE IN CANCER

AND BETWEEN 2O AND 23DEG20 THEN IT WILL STILL BE SAMDHARMI TO SHANI

AS IT WILL BE IN NEECHA STHAN OR IN CAPRICORN IN NAVAMSA BUT IN RASHI

ITS IN CANCER SO THE MULTIPLICATOIN FACTOR WILL BE 1.4.

ASHTAKAVARGA ITSELF IS A SYSTEM TO FIND THE STRENGH OF PLANET. ONCE

U STUDY WHAT THE FINAL WORKSHEET MEANS THIS QUESTION ON TRYING TO

FIND STRENTH USING SIGN PLACMENT WILL NOT BE NEEDED AS ASHTAKAVARGA

TOOL IS USED TO FIND THE STRENGTH. WITH ASHTAKAVARGA ONE STUDIES

EACH PLANET STRENGTH FROM WITH RESPECT TO LAGNA AND 7 PLANEST.

SAY GURU IS IN CANCER AND LAGNA IS CANCER SO FROM LAGNA GURU IS IN

1ST, BUT SAY SUN IS IN 8TH THEN FROM SUN THIS GURU IN CANCER WILL BE

IN 6TH HOUSE. JU AND MO IN 6:8 RELATION IS ? THEN SAY IF SHANI IS IN

12TH HOUSE THEN GURU AND SHANI ARE IN 2:12 IS THIS GOOD OR NOT

DESPITE GURU BEING IN UNCHA STHAN. NOW WHEN U STUDY THE SAME FROM

ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ALL THESE ARE CONSIDERD WHEN THE BAV TO SAV

IS CAST. ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED INDIRECTLY. THIS GIVES THE

STRENGTH OF PLANEST WHICH IS USED TO TIME EVENTS. YOU CAN THEN ADD

THE LAYER OF SIGN PLACMENT WHICH IS GIVEN IN LESSON 27 BUT THIS IS

NOT NEEDED TO TIME EVNETS. SIGN PLACMENT GIVES US THE BACKING THE

PLANET HAS FROM THE SIGN. IF GURU IS CANCER THEN THERE THE

MULTIPLICATON FACTOR IS 1.4 SO IT MEANS THAT GURU HAS 140% BACKING

FROM SIGN. SO IF GURU IS SAY IN 4TH HOUSE FOR SAY ARIES LAGNA AND

ITS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS THEN IT WILL BE VERY VERY EAGER TO GIVE

MARRIAGE. NOW IF THE DELAY PERIOD IS OVER AND IF GURUS ANTRA COMES

THEN MARRIAGE WILL HAPPEN.

SAY IF GURU IS IN CAPRICORN AND AQUARIUS IS LAGNA. THEN THIS GURU IS

IN 12TH HOSUE AND IF SUCH A GURU IS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS AND ANTRA OF

GURU COMES THEN THIS GURU WILL BECOME VERY EAGER TO GIVE MARRIAGE

DESPITE BEING IN CAPROCORN.

NOW GURU IS IN CAPROCORN SO THE RESULTS WILL BE FELT WITH A

MULTIPLICAON FACTOR OF 0.8.

I DONT KNOW IF ALL THIS MAKES SENSE TO YOU BUT IF U GO THROUGH THE

LESSONS ALL THIS WILL MAKE SENSE TO YOU AS U WILL HAVE SOME

CONTINUITY.

Or does it mean, strength of a planet vis-a-vis

> temporal/natural relationships has to be understood/evaluated

> outside the relams of ashtakavarga, and then ashtakavarga

principles

> have to applied on top.

>

ASH : WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A SYSTEM I.E. KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA

SYSTEM THEN ONE SHOULD USE FULL SYSTEM. THE SYSTEM USES GRAHA

DRISTI, ALL VARGAS, ASHTAKAVARGA AND ALL THE THINGS THAT U CALL VEDIC

ASTROLOGY. BUT THERE ARE SOME RULES THAT ONE MUST UNDERSTAND AND

THEORY OF KAS AND HOW UPCHAYA HOUSES IS USED TO TIME EVENTS.

> Kindly explain.

>

ASH : I HAVE TRIED MY BEST TO EXPLAIN. THERE ARE 35 LESSONS AND YOU

HAVE ASKED ME UNKNOWINGLY TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS TO YOU IN 1 MAIL LOL...

I HAVE TRIED. JUST KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND READ THE LESSONS.

THE LESSONS ARE FOUND IN THE FILE SECTION IN

/

PLEASE READ THEM AND I AM SURE YOU WILL UNDERTAND IT AND WILL BE ABLE

TO TIME EVENTS VERY NICELY. IF NOT IT WILL STILL IN THE LEAST SHOW

YOU AND REMOVE THIS MISCONCEPTION THAT ASHTAKAVARGA CAN BE USED FOR

TRANSITS AND TIMING LONGEVITY ONLY.

I HOPE THIS MAIL HELPS.

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, Ash <ashsam73> wrote:

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > There is no contradiction. Maybe in your confused state you are

> making such assumptions.

> >

> > Firstly as you are very well aware that the chart must be looked

> as a whole. For that you consider all parameters and for that you

> have the entire worksheet. That gives the total strength which I

> have given for Sa = 10 and Ju = 11. Individual points of Sa = 1

and

> Ju = 5. These points are obtained in the SAV by Ju and Sa.

> Worksheet is derived from SAV. This part I do not think you will

> understand unless you study the method that is used to derive the

> entire worksheet. This part is not given in any book and that is

> what I mention so it will be beyond your comphrehension for now. I

> have given the website of Krushnaji and you can download the

> worksheet and study it and let me know.

> >

> > Now You have talked of logic of Sa = 1 and Ju = 5 but what about

> aspects ? What about 6th lord, What about aspects on Sa and Ju,

> what about if Sa and Ju rule any upchaya houses and the special

> consideratoins ?

> >

> > Have u just seen one points and came to conclusion that Ju is

> stronger than Sa ?

> >

> > If so then its the system that you use is causing all confusion

> and that 2 people using same technique of finding out strength are

> coming to different conclusions ?

> >

> > The strength given in the final worksheet will determin how the

> planets will deliver their results for all houses.

> >

> > If Guru is in say 3deg20 to 6deg40 in cancer it will become

> samdharmi to Sun in navamsa. So such a guru can step in for Sun if

> sun is unable to deliver the results.

> >

> > I agree with you. The system you are using to find strength

there

> is no consistency. Someone studies the same chart and will say

that

> Ju is stronger than Sa and someone else will Say that Sa is

stronger

> than Ju. There is too many contradiction that exist in the system

> you study.

> >

> > Ashtakvarga has removed all these contradiction as the each

planet

> is studied from 8 different angles.

> >

> > In the end I will say that its Parasara who said that

Ashtakavarga

> is to be used by us people in Kali Yuga.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > Dear Ash,

> > I am now more confused than ever. You said " AS PER KAS ITS

BETTER

> TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN THEIR NEECHA STHAN AS 3

> PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET IS WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE

> THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3 OTHER HOUSES STRONG

> AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM STRONG. SO OVERALL

> ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND BECOME MORE THAN

12.".

> So by this logic would not Saturn who has only one point be

stronger

> than Jupiter who has 4 points?

> > If you are using Vimshottary Dashas as you stated, then to the

> best of my understanding Planets who are Neecha give more of their

> malefic nature results than had they been in Uccha. Is a different

> Vimshottary dasha system being used here? Again you say that

> strength of Navamsha and Rasi are equal in your system. Vedic

> Jyotish tells us that Navamsha strength overrules Rasi strength.

For

> example a planet exalted in Rasi but debilitated in Navamsha can

> only give results as if debilitated and one debilitated in Rasi if

> exalted in Navamsha shall give results as if exalted. Since the

> system is totally different from what is known as Vedic Jyotish in

> the parameters used, I do not think we can agree to the way we look

> at the strengths of planets. There are many such contradictions and

> I am only pointing out two of them as illustrations.

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ash wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > My answers in CAPS.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> > I did not use Ashtakavarga to indicate timing of events at all

but

> only to illustrate a point from a different angle. My intention was

> to illustrate that Jupiter's position has not strengthened the

Bhava

> under consideration. If I remember right even that was in response

> to somebody's response mentioning Ashtakavarga Points.

> >

> > ASH : I AM ALSO ILLUSTRATING THE POINTS BUT FROM THE VIEW POINT

OF

> ASHTAKVARGA OR ONE CAN SAY THAT I AM USING THE TOOL OF ASHTAKVARGA

> TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. IF YOU SAY THAT BASED ON THE

> RELATIVE POSITIONING OF GURU AND SHANI YOU HAVE COMPARED THE

> STRENGTH OF BOTH AND THE END RESULT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT GURU IS

> WEAKER THAN SHANI THEN FROM THE ASHTAKVARGA VIEW POINT ITS NOT

> MATCHING. SINCE ASHTAKVARGA IS CONSIDERING ALL PLANETS WITH

RESPECT

> TO EACH OTHER AND ALSO FROM LAGNA USING ASHTAVARGA AS A TOOL I DO

> NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. SAV TAKES CARE OF THAT FROM ALL 8

> ANGLES.

> >

> > I fail to understand how strength is on the one hand calculated

on

> placement of bindus are considered to be the final strengths and in

> the same breath said to be arrived at based on a system which takes

> into consideration Navamsha strengths. Again how can a system that

> considers Navamsha strength for only a specific purpose like

delays

> be said to apply all the principles of Vedic astrology?

> >

> > ASH : THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM. THE

> FINAL STRENGTH IS DERIVED FROM SAV AS THE BASE. THE WHOLE SYSTEM

OF

> TIMING IS USING UPCHAYA HOUSES, ASPECTS ON PLANET AND PRIMARY

> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE, 4:10 RELATIONSHIPS, WE DO NOT CONSIDER BENEFIC

> ASPECT OF 6TH LORD OR 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND SPECIAL

> CONSIDERATION TO 10TH LORD FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO 6TH FROM

> HOUSE UNDER FOCUS (IN SHORT UPCAHYA HOUSES). THIS IS ALL DONE TO

> THE SAV POINTS. SO THE FINAL POINTS THAT ONE GETS AND JUST TO

> CLARIFY WHICH IS THE WORKSHEET THAT I HAD REPRODUCED ON ALL THE

> STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE WHERE YOU CAN SEE

> THE STRENGTH AT A GLANCE IS FINALLY ARRIVED AT. THAT IS THE FINAL

> STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. BASED ON THIS STRENGTH YOU CAN USE IT

ALONG

> WITH VIMSHOTTARI DASHA STARTING FROM MOON ONLY WILL GIVE HOW THE

> ANTRA WILL DELIVER RESULTS FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT YOU CAN SEE AT

A

> GLANCE. I BELEIVE YOU ALSO AGREE THAT THE ANY ANTRA WORKS FOR ALL

> 12 HOUSES

> > AT THE SAME TIME MAYBE GIVING GOOD RESAULT FOR SOME HOUSES AND

> MAYBE MALEFIC FOR SOME OTHER.

> >

> > THIS WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO HONE INTO WHEN I ASKED YOU FOR

> WHICH HOUSE IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR ? FOR 7TH HOUSE ALSO

> BOTH HAVE LESS THAN 12 POINTS SO BOTH ARE NOT CONDUSIVE TO 12TH

> HOSUE MATTERS HOWEVER IF U COMPARE BOTH GURU IS STRONGER THAN SHANI

> FOR 7TH HOSUE MATTERS. FOR 10TH HOUSE MATTERS GURU IS FAR STRONGER

> THAN SHANI. I WILL REVERT TO THE POINTS MISCONCEPTION BELOW.

> >

> > Is the confusion on account of trying to analyze timing of events

> vis-a-vis the strengths of Bhavas and the Grahas? Or is it due to

my

> inability to convey my meaning or understanding yours?

> >

> > ASH : HOW WOULD YOU TIME ANY EVENT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE

> STRENGTH. AS PER MY UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE USING ANY SYSTEM TRY TO

> FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. YOU CAN STUDY IT FROM SHAD

BAL,

> YOU CAN STUDY IF ITS ATMAKARAK OR DARAKARAK ETC ETC THEN STUDY ITS

> AVASTHA ETC ETC THE YOGS ITS MAKING, IF ITS YOGAKARAKA, OR MAKING

> ANY MAHAYOGA ETC, STUDY IT FROM SUN/MOON/LAGNA/HL/GL/BL/AK/AL ETC

> ETC.. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT SOME HOW OR THE OTHER ONE

> PERSON WHO IS STUDYING THE CHART IS TRYING TO GAUGE IF THIS PLANETS

> STRENGTH TO SEE IF THE PLANET WILL DELIVER THE RESULT. SOME CALL

IT

> FRUTIFICATION OF YOGAS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY ONE PERSON IS

> TRYING TO GAUGE BY FINDING OUT THE BAL IF THE PLANET WILL GIVE THE

> RESULT. THAT IS WHAT I CALL TIMING. PERSON ASK WHEN WILL MY DEBT

> GET OVER ? WHEN WILL I MARRY ? WHEN WILL I HAVE CHILDREN ? WHEN

> WILL MY HEALTH CRISIS GET OVER ? AND SO MANY SUCH QUESTIONS ARE

> POSED. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR TIMING OF EVENTS.

> >

> > WITH KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM I AM FINDING OUT THE STRENGTH

> USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM. WHEN I SAY A SYSTEM I MEAN I

> AM USING VIMSHOTTARI DASHA, UPCHAYA HOUSES, SAV, BAV, PAV,

TRANSITS,

> CERTAIN SPECIAL LAWS LIKE GURU IN LIBRA, VENUS IN KRITTIKA, AADRA,

> MOOLA, JAYESHTA, SUN TO VENUS DISTANCE, SOME RULES ON SAV AND THEN

> FINALLY I GO THROUGH A TEDIOUS PROCESS OF CASTING THE WORKSHEET

> WHICH I HAD DISPLAYED WHICH USES SAV AS THE BASE AND FROM THAT THE

> THINGS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED SUCH AS 4:10 REPLATIONSHIPS, ASPECTS

> ON PLANETS, ASPECTS ON PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES, BENEFIC ASPECT

> ADJUSTMENT FOR 6TH LORD AND 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO

> PLANETS IN UPCHAYA'S WITH > 4 BINDUS ETC. AFTER THAT I COME TO THE

> FINAL STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. AS PER KAS NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS

> AS COMPARED TO RASI. THEN WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF FINDING

> SAMDHARMI. WHAT YOU WOULD CALL, NAVAMSA DEPOISTER, NATURAL

> SAMDHARMIS I.E. VENUS AND SHANI , MOON AND MARS, SUN AND MARS. I

> BELEIVE

> > THESE ARE CALLED YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH OTHERS CHART. 4:10 IS THE

> MOST POWEFUL SAMDHARMI WHERE IF PLANET IN 10TH HAS < 4 BINDUS AND

> PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT HAS > 4 BINDUS. LIKE THIS ITS A WHOLE

> SYSTEM. EACH AND EVERY FACTOR IS CONSIDERED.

> >

> > THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS NOT EXISITING IN PHALDIPIKA, BPHS, TEXTS BY

> VARHARMIRA OR ANY OTHER SCHOLAR DESPITE ALL TEXTS MENTIONING

> VERSES. EVEN SOME VERSES ARE MISSING THAT WAS GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI

IN

> HIS WRITEUP.

> >

> > WHAT YOU HAD SAID THAT ASHTAKVARGA DOES NOT CONSIDER SIGN

> PLACEMENT IS ALSO A PART OF THE ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM. HOWEVER WE DO

> NOT NEED IT TO TIME EVENTS. WE USE WHATS CALLED THE MULTIPLICATION

> FACTOR TABLE FOR EXAMPLE MERCURY IN VIRGO HAS MULTIPLCAITON FACFTOR

> OF 1.4 AND SO DOES GURU IN CANCER. SUCH THINGS GIVE US FURTHER

> CLARITY ON HOW THE RESULT WILL "FEEL" BUT IS NOT NEEDED TO TIME

> EVENT.

> >

> > THIS IS WHAT I CALL A FULL SYSTEM AND I KEEP SAYING THAT SO MUCH

> OF ALL THIS IS GONE / VANISHED FROM THE ANTIENT TEXTS. I HOPE NOW

U

> WILL UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BY WHATS AVAILABLE ON ASHTAKAVARGA IS A

> FRACTION AND ITS USE AS A SYSTEM IS NOT THERE AT ALL IN ANY TEXTS

> FOR TIMING OF EVENTS.

> >

> > THIS IS WHAT I KEPT SAYING THAT THIS SYSTEM MUST HAVE EXISTED IN

> ANTIENT TEXTS WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH WAS

> TAUGHT BY HIS GURU AND WAS KEPT IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE.

> >

> > You are perhaps talking about Prastarashtakvarga when you say

BAV,

> since in BAV I do not think a planet's BAV can get 10 or 11 bindus

> in that you mention in any Bhava. The maximum that might be

> received would be around 7. Use of prastarashtkavarga is for

> movement of transit planet in that planet's kakshya and the number

> of bindus received from the planet makes him a bindu pradata.

> >

> > ASH : NO I AM NOT TALKING OF PRASTARASHTAKAVARGA. I DID ALLUDE

TO

> THAT IN MY MAIL TO LAKSHMI. WHEN I TOLD HER THAT ONLY VENUS WAS

> GIVING HIS FAVOURABLE VOTE TO SHANI OR SHANI WAS MAKING A

FAVOURABLE

> WITH VENUS. SIMILARLY I WENT INTO FURHER DETAIL TO EXPLAIN THAT

> GURU GETS 5 BINDUS AND WHICH OF THE 5 PLANET/LAGNA WAS SUPPORTING.

> I WAS NOT MEANING TO GO INTO THIS MUCH DETAIL BUT SUCH THINGS ARE

> USED TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL. THE 10 AND 11 BINDUS IS THE TOTAL

> POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET AS THE FINAL STRENGH OF THE PLANET WHICH IS

> CALCUALTED AS I HAVE MENTIONED ABOVE I.E KEEPING SAV AS THE BASE

AND

> THEN USING THE ASPECTS, 6TH LORDS, ASPECT ON PALNET ETC ETC. THE

> FINAL STRENGTH AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS TEDIOUS PROCESS WERE THE

> POINTS I HAVE WRITTEN. THIS IS THE FINAL STRENGTH OF ALL 7 PLANETS

> FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THE FINAL STRENGTHS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND

> ANYTHING LESS THAN 12 MEANS MALEFIC AND GREATER THAN 12 MEANS

> BENEFIC. 12 IS NEUTRAL. IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSAND THE ENTIRE

> > PROCESS IN WHICH I CAME TO THE 11 AND 10 POINTS FOR GURU AND

> SHANI FOR 7TH HOUSE I WILL REVERT IN A SEPERATE MAIL OR WILL REFER

> YOU TO THE APPROPRIATE TEXTS.

> >

> > I did not want to get into an argument where two different

systems

> are being used.

> >

> > ASH : I AM NOT ARGUING I AM DISCUSSING. I AM TAKING YOUR EACH

> POINT AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN MY VIEW POINT. SO PLEASE DO NOT

> CONSIDER THIS AS AN ARGUMENT AT ALL. I HOPE OTHERS WHO ARE READING

> WILL ALSO LEARN FROM THIS AND THE EFFORT.

> >

> > However if you want to consider strengths on the basis of number

> of Bindus given by a Planet then would it not be relevant that

> Jupiter can get 56 Bindus whereas Saturn only 39 ?

> >

> > ASH : GURU IS A BENEFIC WHY ? WHY IS SHANI CALLED A MALEFIC ? IF

> YOU STUDY IT FROM ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ITS ALL IN NUMERICAL

> VALUE. GURU HAS BEEN ALLOCATED 56 BINDUS AND SHANI AND MARS HAVE

> BEEN ALLOCATED 39 BINDUS ONLY. IT MEANS THAT GURU CAN MAKE MORE

> FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI AND MARS. SO WE CAN SAY GURU

> IS BENEFIC AS 7 PLANETS AND LAGANAS WILL DISTRIBUTE 56 POINTS SO

> MORE CHANCES OF GURU TO MAKE FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI

> AND MARS. EACH AND EVERYTHING HAS MEANING. SUN HAS 48 POINTS.

> MAX POINTS A HOUSE CAN RECEIVE IS 96 AND SUN RECEIVES 48 SO ITS

> CALLED KRUR OR YOU CAN SAY ALSO ON BORDERLINE.

> >

> > Would this then mean that a debilitated Jupiter will be stronger

> than exalted Saturn in a hypothetical horoscope and still that

would

> be application of principles of Vedic Astrology? I would not think

> so.

> >

> > ASH : FOR TIMING OF EVENTS ITS IMMETERIAL WHERE GURU IS PLACED IN

> WHICH SIGN AND WHERE SHANI IS PLACED. HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE. YOU

> ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET USING SIGN

PLACEMENT

> AND AS PER ASHTAKVARGA I DONT NEED TO CONSIDER THAT FOR TIMING OF

> EVENT. YES SHANI BEING PLACED IN LIBRA HAS MULTIPLICATION FACTOR

OF

> 1.4 AND GURU IN CAPRICORN HAS MULTIPLCATION FACTOR OF 0.8. BUT

> AGAIN TO TIME AN EVENT I AM EMPHASISING THAT YOU DO NOT NEED THE

> SIGN PLACEMENT BUT INSTEAD YOU NEED THE FINAL POINTS IN THE

> WORKSHEET. THAT IS ENOUGH TO TIME THE EVENT.

> >

> > MAYBE YOU HAVE NOT COME ACROSS A SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT USE THE

SAME

> PRINCIPLES TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET THE WAY YOU USE IT. SO

> YOU MAY FIND THIS DIFFERENT OR I CAN EVEN SAY SHOCKING. YOU DO NOT

> NEED THE SIGN PLACEMENT TO JUDGE THE STRENGTH, ASHTAKAVARGA

STRENGTH

> IS WHATS NEEDED.

> >

> > PEOPLE USING SIGN PLACEMENTS MAY INVARIABLY COME TO DIFFERENT

> CONCULUSIONS JUST AS IN THE CASE THAT YOU AND LAKSHAMI CAME TO.

ONE

> SAYS GURU IS STRONGER AND OTHER SAYS SHANI IS STRONGER. WITH

> ASHTAKVARGA ITS ALL SHOWN BY NUMBERS AND THERE WILL NOT BE ANY

> ANOMOLY. ALL WILL COME TO THE SAME CONCULUSION.

> >

> > EITHER I AM NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OR YOU ARE

> NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM SAYING.

> >

> > AS PER KAS ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN

THEIR

> NEECHA STHAN AS 3 PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET

IS

> WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3

> OTHER HOUSES STRONG AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM

> STRONG. SO OVERALL ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND

> BECOME MORE THAN 12.

> >

> > IF PLANETS HAVE > 5 BINDUS THEN THE WILL SEND MALEFIC DRISTI.

> GURU HAS 56 BINDUS AND GENERALLY IF U DIVIDED THAT BY 12 EACH HOUSE

> GETS APPROX 5 BINDUS. SO MOSTLY GURU HAS > 4 BINDUS IN CHART. SO

> SUCH GURU WILL MAKE 1 HOUSE STRONG HOWEVER IT WILL REDUCE 3

HOUSES.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Ash wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > My answers in CAPS.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> > Even by your method of assessing strength from Rasi placement,

> Saturn is stronger is it not?

> >

> > ASH : PLEASE REFER TO THE POST GIVEN BELOW. I HAD WRITTEN A POST

> JUST AFTER AND HAVE SAID THAT IT WAS A TYPO. GURU HAS 11 POINTS

AND

> SHANI HAS 10. YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE WORKSHEET I HAD GIVEN.

> BOTH OF THEM ARE MALEFIC FOR 7TH HOUSE MATTERS. BOTH JU AND SA ON

> THEIR OWN CANNOT SAY GIVE MARRIAGE A 7TH HOUSE MATTER IN THEIR

ANTAR.

> >

> > vedic astrology/message/44680

> >

> > The original thread had nothing to do with timing of events which

> you are reverting time and again.

> >

> > ASH : AGREED. BUT YOU DID USE ASHTAKVARG AND I AM GIVING MY VIEW

> POINT BASED ON ASHTAKAVARGA ON THE BAL OF GURU AND SHANI FOR 7TH

> HOUSE AND NOT ONLY 7TH HOUSE BUT FOR ALL HOUSE. I HAVE ALSO GONE

> AHEAD AND MADE A PREDICTION ON MARRIAGE AND HOW GURU WILL ACT AND

> SHANI TOO AS A PART OF MY ANALYSIS. I BELEIVE THE PROOF OF THE

> PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING THAT IS WHY I MADE A PREDICTION ON

MARRIAGE

> SO THAT ITS JUST NOT THEORY BUT ITS APPLICATION. NOW I DO NOT KNOW

> HOW MUCH OF WHAT I HAVE PREDICTED IS CORRECT OR WRONG. BUT IN MY

> OPINION THE WORKSHEET I HAVE GIVEN HAS CONSIDERED ALL FACTORS THAT

> IS NECESSARY AS A TOOL TO TIME EVENTS.

> >

> > Since, as I had said earlier, the method you are using is based

on

> Ashtakavarga being used to derive strength of planets my comments

on

> your arguments would not be fair.

> >

> > ASH : ANY WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT IT OR USING ANY TOOL GIVEN BY THE

> MAHARISHIS AS PER SO MANY TEXTS AND BY MANY AUTHORS THE END RESULT

> SHOULD COME OUT TO BE SAME.

> >

> > I have all along been illustrating what is the position per Vedic

> Astrology. I have already given the reasons why Saturn is with

> strength.

> >

> > ASH : I HAVE ALSO USED VEDIC ASTROLOGY. ASHTAKVARGA IS A

> WONDERFUL TOOL TO ASCERTAIN THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET WITHOUT ANY

> DOUBTS. ITS FINAL RESULTS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND IS CRYSTAL

> CLEAR.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > THANKING YOU,

> >

> > CHEERS !!!

> >

> > ASH

> > ashsam73 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > So when you said Shani is stronger then Guru you had meant for

7th

> > house only ? Is my understanding correct.

> >

> > As per the worksheet both Shani and Guru are weak for 7th house

> for

> > Ramesh. Shani has 11 points and Guru has 10. As per the

> worksheet

> > any planet having less than 12 is weak for the house. 12 is

> neutral

> > and greater than 12 is benefic. Now if you were to get down to

> nitty

> > gritty then I would say that Guru is stronger than Shani by 1

> point.

> >

> > Guru is in namvasa of Aries and hence samdharmi to Mars and mars

> is

> > not condusive to 7th house matters being 6th lord. Shani is in

> libra

> > who is Lord of 12th house and primary upchaya for 7th house.

> Venus

> > and Shani are natural samdharmi.

> >

> > Both Sa and Ju are not condusive for timing of events for 7th

> house.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> <boxdel>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Ash,

> > > I was referring to your statement that verses not found in any

> > book.

> > > The reason that this is not clear to you is perhaps we are

> > wandering

> > > from original thread. For example you are talking about Guru

> being

> > > stronger for 10th house where as if I remember right, the

thread

> > started

> > > about Jupiter being strong for 7th house as per Lakshmi's

> > assessment.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Ash wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > The fact still remains. The BAV scheme given by Parasara is

> > different

> > > > from Varharamira. This is one point and this is factual.

One

> of

> > them

> > > > is corrupt. I am saying the scheme Parasara has given has

> become

> > > > corrupt over time. The scheme Varharmira has given has been

> > preserved

> > > > in time. The two schemes cannot be different.

> > > >

> > > > I am not clear to which point you are alluding when you say

> that

> > my

> > > > information about Parasara and Varharmira is not factual.

The

> > BAV

> > > > scheme given by Parasara is different from Varharamira. This

> was

> > > > visible in Ramesh's chart when you said using parasarsa BAV

> > scheme

> > > > when 7th bhava got 19 bindus and using Varharmiras BAV scheme

> it

> > comes

> > > > to 20. I am not going into other books. The point that I am

> > > > emphasising is that BAV scheme given by Parasara or

Varharmira

> or

> > any

> > > > other maharishi cannot be different.

> > > >

> > > > Ashtakvarga has been commented on by many maharishis as you

> have

> > given

> > > > but the system of timing of events using Ashtakavarga is not

> > given

> > > > which I beleive was a part of Vedic Astrology was saved with

> some

> > > > families and not known to the world.

> > > >

> > > > About the part with which the discussion started is what I

> agree

> > with

> > > > you. There is a part of what Noname is also saying that I

> agree

> > with

> > > > however I beleive that Guru spoils the house its placed in

due

> to

> > its

> > > > aspect on primary significator houses. By saying Spoilt I

> mean

> > it

> > > > will not give the result in his antra. Also Guru is

> generally

> > with

> > > > more than 5 bindus. Rarely its with < 4 bindus. The more

> > powerful

> > > > Guru is the more damage it will do by its aspect. For Libra

> > lagna and

> > > > Cancer lagna Guru is 6th lord and will be very malefic.

> > > >

> > > > In the chart given by No Names grand father also he commented

> > that his

> > > > grand father has Guru in lagna who is powerful and he took

> > sansaya

> > > > after early widohood. Again here a powerful guru is showing

> its

> > > > malefic aspect on 7th house. Again guru in lagna made no

> names

> > father

> > > > a famous and person as he was known for his knowledge on

> > samaveda.

> > > > Noname has not commented on the effect it had on 9th and 5th

> > house but

> > > > if his guru is very powerful. I am also not aware what the

> lagna

> > is

> > > > but this can be the sign of a powerful guru in lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > It is good that you at least agree that "GURU ALWAYS

> ASPECTS

> > 5TH

> > > > HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND ITS A PRIMARY

> > SIGNIFICATOR

> > > > HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT GIVE RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS

> PLACED IN

> > > > GENERALLY."

> > > > This is the point from which the original discussions

> started.

> > > >

> > > > For your information much detailed interpretation of

events

> > > > (Beyond what is explained in BPHS,a although based on the

> > > > principles therein) by Ashtakavarga is available in

> > Phaladeepika,

> > > > Jataka Parijata, Jatakadesh Marg and umpteen other

> > astrological

> > > > texts. So your information about only Parashara and

Varaha

> > Mihira

> > > > is not factual.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Ash wrote:

> > > >

> > > >> Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >>

> > > >> My answers in CAPS.

> > > >>

> > > >> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Ash,

> > > >> Ashtakavarga system is based on Bindus allotted to

> > particular

> > > >> houses for each of the planet with respect to its

> > position

> > > >> from the planet whose Ashtakavarga is being drawn.

> > > >>

> > > >> ASH : YES AGREED.

> > > >>

> > > >> The system you are using is based on considering the

> > > >> strengths of planets and the Bhavas too. This is the

> > system

> > > >> generally referred as Parashari or more precisely

> Hora

> > system

> > > >> which also encompasses the Ashtakavarga system.

> > > >>

> > > >> ASH : ASHTAKVARGA IS A PART AND PARCLE OF VEDIC

> > ASTROLOGY AND

> > > >> THAT IS WHAT I HAVE ALSO SAID. I HAVE SAID THAT THE

> > SYSTEM

> > > >> TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT GIVEN IN TEXTS AVAILABLE

> TODAY.

> > REST

> > > >> CLARIFICAITON BELOW.

> > > >>

> > > >> Ashtakavarga is primarily used to find out effects

> from

> > > >> Transit of planets and longevity as made clear in

> > > >> conversat/i/on/ /between Maitreya and sage Parashara

> in

> > BPHS.

> > > >> Ashtakavarga system is clearly defined in that text.

> > > >>

> > > >> ASH : THIS IS WHAT THE MISCONCEPTION IS. BASED ON

> THE

> > TEXTS

> > > >> AVAILABLE TODAY. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT

ASHTAKVARG

> IS

> > USED

> > > >> ONLY FOR FINDING OUT TRANSIT. IS THAT WHY PARASARA

> HAS

> > SAID

> > > >> THAT TO USE ASHTAKAVARGA FOR INTELLECUTAL PYGMIES OF

> > KALIYUGA

> > > >> ? I DO NOT THINK SO SIR. THE SYSTEM OF ASHTAKVARGA

> IS

> > VERY

> > > >> DETAILED AND KAS AND VERSES OF ASHTAKAVARGA HAVE

BEEN

> > BROUGHT

> > > >> FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH ARE NOT FOUND IN ANY BOOK

> > TODAY.

> > > >> IF YOU CLAIM THAT BHPS IS COMPLETE AND THAT ALL THAT

> IS

> > > >> AVAILABLE ABOUT ASHTAKVARGA IS FOUND AND CODED AND

> THERE

> > IS

> > > >> NO CORRUPTION THEN I WILL NOT INDULGE YOU ANY

> FURTHER.

> > > >>

> > > >> No doubt the system can be adopted to various other

> > > >> predictions, as it indicates influences on various

> > bhavas.

> > > >> Its various uses have been well documented in

> numerous

> > texts

> > > >> besides BPHS and the very short description of

> > Varahamihira.

> > > >> The assumption that its use is not mentioned for

> > different

> > > >> uses in any other text but the two you mentioned is

> not

> > > >> factually correct.

> > > >>

> > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS USING ASHTAKVARGA IS

> NOT

> > > >> GIVEN CLEARLY IS IN ANY TEXTS. THAT IS WHAT I AM

> > SAYING.

> > > >>

> > > >> Krushna has developed different parameters and as

> long

> > as the

> > > >> system delivers results there should be no issue

with

> > that.

> > > >>

> > > >> ASH : HERE I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT KRUSHNAJI HAS NOT

> > > >> DEVELOPED DIFFERENT PARAMETERS AND THIS SYSTEM. HE

> HAD

> > > >> BROUGHT IT FORWARD. THIS SYSTEM WAS KEPT IN FAMILY

> OF

> > HIS

> > > >> GURU AND THAT WAS TRANSMITTED FROM FATHER TO SON.

> > KRUSHNAJI

> > > >> WANTED THIS SYSTEM TO REMAIN IN THIS WORLD. THIS

> SYSTEM

> > MUST

> > > >> HAVE BEEN IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE FOR CENTURIES. IF ONE

> > > >> UNDERSTANDS THIS SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS MAYBE WHAT

AND

> > WHY I

> > > >> AM INDULDING YOU IN THIS THREAD WILL BECOME CLEAR.

> > > >>

> > > >> It is easy to say that Parashara and Varahamihira's

> > texts

> > > >> are corrupted, and they could be. But that does not

> prove

> > > >> that the bindus used are wrong especially as most of

> > other

> > > >> parameters that you mention are drawn from these

very

> > texts.

> > > >>

> > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING

> ASHTAKAVARGA

> > IS

> > > >> NOT DIFFERENT FROM VEDIC ASTROLOGY. INFACT VEDIC

> > ASTROLOGY

> > > >> IS MADE CLEAR WITH THE PROPER USE OF ASHTAKAVARGA

AND

> > KAS. I

> > > >> DO NOT THINK PARASARA LIGHTLY MENTIONED THE USE OF

> > > >> ASHTAKAVARGA FOR US PEOPLE IN KALI YUGA. A LOT OF

> > > >> ASHTAKVARGA AND SANSKRIT SHLOKAS HAVE BEEN LOST.

> THIS IS

> > > >> WHAT I AM SAYING OR KEPT WITH FAMILES TILL SOMEONE

> LIKE

> > > >> KRUSHNAJI COMES ALONG AND BRINGS SUCH TECHNIQUES

> > FORWARD.

> > > >> ITS A BIG CREDIT TO KRUSHNAJI FOR BRINGING FORWARD

> THIS

> > > >> SYSTEM WITH HAS MADE TIMING OF EVENTS SO EASY.

> > > >>

> > > >> It is well known that Varaha Mihira was influenced

by

> > Greek

> > > >> astrologers and has adopted some of their methods,

so

> the

> > > >> bindus that he attributes could also have come from

> them.

> > > >>

> > > >> ASH : ONE THING. BAV IS BAV AND BASIC SCHEME

SHOUL.D

> BE

> > > >> SAME. ONLY IN BAV OF MOON AND VENUS THERE IS A

> > DIFFERENCE.

> > > >> PARASARA AND VARHARMIRA CANNOT HAVE DIFFERENT

> OPINIONS.

> > > >> EITHER PARASARA'S SCHEME IS CORRUPT OR

> VARHARMIRAS'S.

> > AT THE

> > > >> END OF THE DAY BOTH MUST MATCH. SO ITS INFACT QUITE

> > EASY TO

> > > >> SAY THAT EITHER PARSARAS OR VARHARMIRAS BAV IS

> CORRPUT.

> > I AM

> > > >> CONFIDENT THAT VARHRMAIRAS HAS REMAINED IN TACT OVER

> THE

> > > >> CENTURIES AND PARASARAS BAV SCHME IS CORRPUT. IN

ANY

> > CASE I

> > > >> WILL GO BY WHAT KRUSHNAJI HAS TAUGHT ME AS THIS

> SYSTEM

> > WAS

> > > >> KEPT IN HIS GURUS FAMILY AND HE HAS USED THAT FOR

> DECADES

> > > >> WITH CORRECT PREDICTIONS. SO ITS TIME TESTED BY HIS

> > GURUS

> > > >> LINEAGE. I AM IN NO POSITION TO MAKE ANY JUDGEMENT

> BUT

> > CAN

> > > >> SAY THAT I AM USNIG VARHARMIRAS SCHEME.

> > > >>

> > > >> Since you give equal importance to Navamsha and Rasi

> > whereas

> > > >> I go by the old time system of planetary strength

> being

> > > >> derived from Navamsha, it might not be possible for

> you

> > to

> > > >> follow my meaning and reasons behind attributing more

> > > >> strength to Saturn over Jupiter.

> > > >>

> > > >> ASH : I AM FINDING STRENGTH USING ASHTAKVARGA BUT

FOR

> > EACH

> > > >> PLANET AND FOR EACH HOUSE. YOU ARE ALSO TRYING TO

> FIND

> > THE

> > > >> STRENGH BUT I AM NOT CLEAR WHEN YOU SAY SHANI IS

> STRONGER

> > > >> THAN GURU BUT FOR WHAT ? IS IT FOR EVENT OR ALL 12

> > HOUSES ?

> > > >> JUST SAYING STRONGER IS VERY GENERAL. IF I WERE TO

> ASK

> > YOU

> > > >> IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH HOUSE OR 10TH

> HOUSE.

> > > >> THIS IS HOW I AM SEETNG THINGS. AS PER THE WORKSHEET

> > > >> STRENGTH GURU IS FAR BETTER FOR 10TH HOUSE AS

> COMPARED TO

> > > >> SHANI HOWEVER SHANI IS FAR STRONGER THAN GURU FOR

4TH

> > HOUSE

> > > >> MATTERS.

> > > >>

> > > >> The question of strength of the two planets was

> raised by

> > > >> Lakshmi and I was responding to that. I so far as

> > influence

> > > >> over all 12 Rasis comment is concerned, Vedic

> astrology

> > does

> > > >> think that planets have influence over all Bhavas

and

> > other

> > > >> planets and the way the results would manifest

depend

> on

> > > >> their mutual relation.

> > > >>

> > > >> ASH : EXACTLY. HERE IN LIES THE ESSENCE OF WHAT I

> WAS

> > SAYING

> > > >> OR TRYING TO SAY FOR SO LONG. THE BEAUTY OF IS THAT

> SAV

> > > >> ALREADY TAKES CARE OF MUTUAL RELATIONS SO IT BECOMES

> > > >> IMPERATIVE THAT BAV IS ACCURATE AS SAV AS U KNOW IS

> > DERIVED

> > > >> FROM BAV. THAT WAS MY COMMENT ON COMPOUNDING OF

> ERRORS.

> > > >> THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU SAY THAT SHANI IS STRONGER THAN

> GURU

> > > >> CONFUSES ME BECAUSE YES FOR 4TH HOUSE SHANI IS

> STRONGER

> > THAN

> > > >> GURU BUT NOT FOR 10TH HOUSE. HERE I AM BEING VERY

> > SPECIFIC.

> > > >> SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOUR COMMENT ON SHANI BEING

> > STRONGER

> > > >> THAN GURU WAS CONSIDERING ALL 12 HOUSES AND THE

MUTUAL

> > > >> PLACMENT FOR ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT TO EACH

> OTHER ?

> > IF SO

> > > >> THEN I AM VERY SURE THAT YOU WILL COME TO THE SAME

> > CONCLUSION

> > > >> USING WHATEVER WAY YOU USE TO FIND THE STRENGH OF

> SHANI

> > AND

> > > >> GURU I.E NAVAMSA, D CHARTS OR YOGAS ETC WITH WHAT I

> HAVE

> > > >> SHOWN IN THE WORKSHEET. THEN IF YOU COMPARE SHANI

> AND

> > GURU

> > > >> FOR EACH HOUSE WE WILL HAVE A MORE STRONGER BASIS FOR

> > > >> COMPARISION. BUT STILL JUST USING THE WORD STRONGER

> I

> > AM NOT

> > > >> CLEAR OR AM NOT FOLLOWING. THE QUETSIONS THAT COMES

> TO

> > MY

> > > >> MIND .. STRONGER FOR WHAT OR WHICH HOUSE OR WHICH

> > EVENT ?

> > > >>

> > > >> About not considering Navamsha strength, I am not

> able to

> > > >> follow what you are saying. On the one hand you say

> that

> > > >> these being equal you do not consider Navamsha in

> > worksheet

> > > >> and that you only use Navamsha to find samdharmi and

> on

> > the

> > > >> other hand you say that my contention is not

correct/.

> > > >> /

> > > >>

> > > >> ASH : RASI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL STATUS AS PER THE

> > TEACHINGS

> > > >> OF KAS. NAVAMSA IS DERIVED FROM RASI. FOR THE

> STRENGH

> > AND

> > > >> WORKSHEET ONLY RASI IS NEEDED. IF IN CASE OF DOUBT

> YOU

> > CAN

> > > >> GO INTO D-CHARTS AND FIND OUT FROM THAT. I HAVE

> > DEMONTRATED

> > > >> WITH AN EXAMPLE OF RAMESH'S MARRIAGE. I WOULD HOPE

> THAT

> > > >> LAKSHMI WOULD COMMENT ON THIS PART. I HAVE NOT SAID

> > THAT YOU

> > > >> ARE NOT CORRECT. YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND THE

STRENGTH

> > ALSO

> > > >> FROM NAVAMSA. AS PER KAS I FIND THE STRENGTH FROM

> > WORKSHEET

> > > >> WHICH IS FROM RASHI. FOR D-CHARTS I CAST WORKSHEET

> BUT

> > ONLY

> > > >> PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE. WE DO NOT CONSIDER

> ASPECTS

> > > >> PART. SO ONLY TOP PORTION OF WORKSHEET IS USED.

WE

> > BOTH

> > > >> ARE FINDING STRENGTH AND I AM USING AV FROM RASI AND

> YOU

> > ARE

> > > >> PROBABLY USING RASI/NAVAMSA/D CHARTS ETC AND SIGN

> > PLACEMENT

> > > >> TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH.

> > > >>

> > > >> Again you are talking about timing of events and the

> > original

> > > >> thread is about Guru's capacity to harm the house

> > occupied

> > > >> by it/./

> > > >>

> > > >> ASH : FOR ME THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF QUESTION. AS

PER

> > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM PLANETS THAT ASPECT

> PRIMARY

> > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES I.E. 8TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS,

> 5TH

> > FROM

> > > >> HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND HOUSE UNDER FOCUS FOR EXAMPLE

> FOR

> > > >> READERS IF YOU ARE TIMING MARRIAGE THEN 2ND, 7TH AND

> > 11TH AND

> > > >> IF ANY PLANET HAS ASPECT ON THESE HOUSES THEN THEY

> WILL

> > NOT

> > > >> GIVE RESULT IN THEIR ANTRA BUT THEIR SAMDHARMI WILL

> GIVE

> > > >> RESULT AND THE EXCEPTION IS THAT IF THE PLANET IS

> LORD OF

> > > >> 10TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS OR 6TH THEN IT WILL GIVE.

> > > >>

> > > >> GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS

> PLACED

> > IN

> > > >> AND ITS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE SO GURU WILL

NOT

> > GIVE

> > > >> RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN GENERALLY. ONLY

> > EXCEPTION

> > > >> IS THAT IF GURU IS IN PISCES SO SUCH A GURU WILL

GIVE

> THE

> > > >> RESULT OF TIMING OF EVENT. SIMILARLY FOR MARS. I

> THINK

> > ALSO

> > > >> SOMETHING SIMILAR IS SAID FOR MARS AS PER VEDIC

> TEXTS.

> > MARS

> > > >> ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND

> 8TH

> > HOUSE

> > > >> SO AS PER VEDIC TEXTS ITS ALSO SAID THAT MARS SPOILS

> THE

> > > >> HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. FOR SHANI IT DOES NOT ASPECT

> ANY

> > OF THE

> > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES WHEREEVER ITS PLACED SO ITS NOT

> SAID

> > TO

> > > >> SPOIL THE HOUSE AND WILL DELIVER THE RESULT IF IT

HAS

> > POWER

> > > >> AS PER WORKSHEET. SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN NOTED IN

TEXTS

> AS

> > JU

> > > >> SPOILS THE HOUSE IT IS PLACED IN AND SHANI DOES

NOT.

> > MARS

> > > >> ALSO CAN BE SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE IT IS IN HOWEVER

> THE

> > > >> EXCEPTIONS FOR ALL IS IF THE SAME PLANET ALSO RULES

> 10TH

> > AND

> > > >> 6TH FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN IT WILL GIVE THE

> > RESULT.

> > > >> THIS CAN BE CHECKED AND I AM SURE IT WILL VALIDATE

> WITH

> > YOUR

> > > >> EXCEPTIONS.

> > > >>

> > > >> SO I AM NOT TAKING PART IN THE DISCUSSION AS FOR ME

> > > >> PERSONALLY THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCUSS. THE BASICS

> OF

> > SUCH

> > > >> THINGS ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR AND CONSIDERED BY THE RULES

> OF

> > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAVARGA SYSTEM. I AM VERY GLAD HOWEVER

> TO

> > SEE

> > > >> THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THIS TOPIC.

> > > >>

> > > >> ANOTHER THING, GURU IS A HYOCRATIC PLANET. WHENEVER

> ONE

> > > >> TRIES TO POTRAY GURU AS BAD THERE WILL BE

> RESISTANCE.

> > THIS

> > > >> IS THE POWER OF GURU. I AM SITTING BACK AND READING

> WITH

> > > >> INTEREST AND SEEING THE MAYA GURU CREATES. FUNNY

ITS

> > EASIER

> > > >> TO BLAME SHANI FOR THINGS AND POTRAY IT AS BAD BUT

> > INFACT ITS

> > > >> SHANI WHO IS THE PLANET OF TRUTH.

> > > >>

> > > >> SUCH THIGNS ARE HARD FOR PEOPLE TO DIGEST AND YOU

ARE

> > GETTING

> > > >> SO MUCH OF EXPLAINING TO DO. THIS ITSELF PROVES MY

> > POINT AND

> > > >> YOUR POINT ALSO.

> > > >>

> > > >> Anyway let us await Lakshmi's comment about your

> > > >> observation on Mercury Antar, though this is not

part

> of

> > the

> > > >> original discussions.

> > > >>

> > > >> ASH : YES, IT WILL BE NICE IF LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON

> THE

> > > >> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH IF IT HAPPENED IN MERCURY ANTRA

AS

> PER

> > > >> KAY. IF THE DATE IS GIVEN IT WILL BE BETTER. THIS

> WILL

> > > >> PROVE THE POWER OF THE PLANET AS PER WORKSHEET TO

> > DELIVER THE

> > > >> RESULTS AFTER FINDING OUT THE DELAY FROM RASHI AND

> > NAVAMSA AS

> > > >> BOTH HAVE SIMILAR STATUS AS PER KAS.

> > > >>

> > > >> THANK YOU FOR THIS DICUSSION,

> > > >>

> > > >> CHEERS !!!

> > > >>

> > > >> ASH

> > > >>

> > > >> Regards,

> > > >> Chandrashekhar.

> > > >>

> > > >> Ash wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >>> Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >>> My answers in CAPS below.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Dear Ash,

> > > >>> I forgot that you are using Krushna's

> Ashtakavarga

> > > >>> system. In that case you must be using Krushna's

> > > >>> Ayanamsha. The system you are using is a

> > combination of

> > > >>> Ashtakavarga and traditional Graha Bhava Bala

> > system.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> ASH : THE SYSTEM I USE IS KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARG

> AND

> > ITS

> > > >>> PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY. I DONT KNOW WHAT U

> MEAN BY

> > > >>> GRAHA BHAVA BALA SYSTEM. IN SHORT WE CAN

> COMPUTE

> > THE

> > > >>> STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY

HOUSE

> AND

> > > >>> ALSO FOR ALL 16 D CHARTS. SO ITS VEDIC

> ASTROLOGY

> > ONLY

> > > >>> AND NOT DIFFERENT. AS PER KAS WE DO NOT TALK

IN

> > GENERAL

> > > >>> TERMS AS SHANI IS STRONG OR WEAK BUT WE CAN GO

> INTO

> > > >>> DETAILS AS PER POINTS AND FIND OUT HOW A PLANET

> > WILL ACT

> > > >>> FOR EACH HOUSE. IN MOST CASES PLANETS DO NOT

> ACT

> > BAD

> > > >>> FOR ALL HOUSES. IN SHANI ANTRA AS PER RAMESH'S

> > CHART IT

> > > >>> WILL BE GOOD FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AS COMPARED

> TO

> > GURU'S

> > > >>> ANTRA FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AT THE SAME TIME

FOR

> > 10TH

> > > >>> HOUSE MATTESR GURU WILL BE MUCH STRONGER THAN

> SHANI

> > AS

> > > >>> YOU CAN SEE AS PER POINTS. ABOUT NAVAMSA I

SHALL

> > > >>> COMMENT BELOW.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> There is no harm in using it as long as results

> come

> > > >>> true. However it is not a different

Ashtakavarga

> > system

> > > >>> per se.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> ASH : ASHTAKVARG IS ASHTAKVARG AND HOW TO USE

IT

> IS

> > NOT

> > > >>> GIVEN CLEARLY IN ANY TEXTS. PEOPLE ARE UNDER

THE

> > > >>> IMPRESSION BASED ON CURRENT TEXTS THAT ITS USED

> TO

> > TIME

> > > >>> DEATH OR ITS USE IS LIMITED TO TRANSITS WHICH

IS

> NOT

> > > >>> CORRECT. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT I TRY TO

SAY

> AND

> > > >>> EXPLAIN WHEN PEOPLE COMMENT ON ASHTAKVARGA AND

> ITS

> > USED

> > > >>> ONLY IN TRANSITS. THE WHOLE SYSTEM IN WHICH

ITS

> > USED TO

> > > >>> TIME EVENTS IS NOT WRITTEN IN ANY BOOK OR

> CLASSICS

> > > >>> DESPITE MANY MAHARISHIS LIKE PARASARA,

> VARHARAMIRA

> > ETC

> > > >>> HAVE ALL MENTIONED ASHTAKVARGA IN THEIR TEXTS.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I was talking about a different Ashtakavarga

> system

> > that

> > > >>> you had suggested exists.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> ASH : I HAVE NOT SUGGESTED ANYTHING OF THAT

> KIND.

> > > >>> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM IS A SYSTEM IN

WHICH

> WE

> > USE

> > > >>> ASHTAKVARGA TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET

> FOR

> > EACH

> > > >>> HOUSE. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY SYSTEM OUT

> THERE

> > > >>> THAT DOES THAT. RESULTS CAN BE SEEN AT A

> GLANCE.

> > FOR

> > > >>> EXAMPLE RAMESHS MARRIAGE MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED

> DURING

> > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA. MERCURY HAS THE HIGHEST

STRENGTH

> IN

> > THE

> > > >>> CHART FOR 7TH HOUSE. AND IS LOD OR 10TH LORD

> FROM

> > 7TH

> > > >>> HOUSE. MAHADAHSA CAN BE THAT OF SHANI. SHANI

IS

> > > >>> SAMDHARMI TO NAKTURAL KARAK VENUS OF MARRIAGE.

> SO

> > SHANI

> > > >>> MD/ MERCURY AD CAN GIVE MARRIAGE. THERE ARE 2

> > ZEROES IN

> > > >>> BAV ONE DUE TO VENUS AND OTHER DUE TO MARS AND

> > MERCURY

> > > >>> SO RESULT WILL BE IN LAST SECTOR OF MERCURY

> ANTRA.

> > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA RUNS IN SHANI MD RUNS FROM

1983/11

> > THRU

> > > >>> 1986/JULY. 3RD SECTOR STARTS 1985/07 THRU

> > 1986/07. I

> > > >>> AM NOT GOING FURTHER. IF THIS IS IN THE BALL

> PARK

> > ITS

> > > >>> GOOD AND ONE CAN NARROW IT DOWN FURTHER WITH

SUNS

> > > >>> TRANSIT OVER STRONG SIGNIFICATORS FOR 7TH HOUSE

> AS

> > PER

> > > >>> THE WORKSHEET POINTS. MAYBE LAKSHMI CAN VERIFY

> > WHEN HER

> > > >>> MARRIAGE TOOK PLACE WITH RAMESH.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Varahamihira does have a slightly different

bindu

> > > >>> placement no doubt yet it is only different by

> way

> > of

> > > >>> allowing Lagna to have one more bindu of

> influence

> > for

> > > >>> some planet's Ashtakavarga. So it might not

mean

> > that

> > > >>> other planet is getting a bindu less.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> ASH : THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT

> SCHEME

> > THAT

> > > >>> IS IN TEXTS TODAY AVAILABLE GIVEN AS PER

> PARASARA

> > AND

> > > >>> WHATS GIVEN OR PRESERVED FROM VARHARAMIRA.

BOTH

> ARE

> > > >>> GREAT SAGES AND THEIR BAV SCHEMES MUST BE SAME.

> > > >>> PARASARAS HAS BEEN CORRPUT OVER TIME. THE

> > DIFFERENCES

> > > >>> IN IN BAV FOR MOONS PLACMENT FROM MOON AND GURU

> AND

> > > >>> VENUS FROM MARS. THIS HAS VERY DEEP MEANING

AND

> > SAYING

> > > >>> FOR EXAMPLE IF VENUS GETS POWER IF IN 4TH FROM

> MARS

> > AND

> > > >>> IF VENUS IS NOT GETTING POWER OR A BINDU IF IN

> 4TH

> > FROM

> > > >>> MARS HAS A BIG DIFFERENCE. THERE ARE ONLY 337

> > POINTS

> > > >>> AND IT WOULD MEAN THAT IF AS IN THE CASE OF

> RAMESHES

> > > >>> CHART IF HIS 7TH BHAVA GETS 19TH IT MEANS THAT

> THAT

> > 1

> > > >>> BINDU OF FROM THE POOL OF 337 HAS GONE TO SOME

> OTHER

> > > >>> HOUSE. IF A PLANET IS IN THAT HOUSE IT MAY GET

> 1

> > BINDU

> > > >>> MORE STRENGTH AND IT MAY CHANGE THE ENTIRE

> CHART.

> > IF

> > > >>> THAT PLANET IS IN 4TH FROM A MALEFIC PLANET (BY

> > MALEFIC

> > > >>> I MEAN A PLANET WITH < 4 BINDUS EXCEPT MOON)

AND

> IF

> > THAT

> > > >>> PLANET WERE TO GET STRNGTH THEN THAT PLANET

> WOULD

> > BECOME

> > > >>> VERY STRONG FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT WOULD

> CHANGE

> > THE

> > > >>> ENTIRE COMPLEXION OF THE CHART. WITH ASKTAVARG

> WE

> > ARE

> > > >>> VERY PARTICULAR AND THIS IS NOT A TRIVIAL

> MATTER. 1

> > > >>> BINDUS CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I said 19 Bindus as the chart sent by Dear

> Lakshmi

> > was

> > > >>> in that format. Varahamihira has exactly 8

> shlokas

> > on

> > > >>> Ashtakavarga and his is not a different system.

> He

> > only

> > > >>> has a different opinion about which places are

> > > >>> influenced by Lagna in case of some of the

> planets.

> > > >>> Parashara has, on the other hand, exhaustively

> dealt

> > > >>> with Ashtakavarga.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> ASH : THIS IS NOT TRUE. BAV SCHEMES HAVE TO

> > MATCH. I

> > > >>> DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BY

SYSTEMS.

> THE

> > > >>> CORE AND BASIC OF ASHTAKVARG SYSTEM IS THE BAV

> > POINTS.

> > > >>> IF PARASARA IS SAYING THAT MOON IS NOT GIVING

> > STRENGTH

> > > >>> TO 9TH BHAVA WHEAREAS VARHARAMIRA IS SAYING IT

> > DOES.

> > > >>> THIS IS HUGE DIFFERECE OUT HERE. SIMILARLY

MOON

> IS

> > > >>> BENEFIC IN 2ND FROM GURU AND VARHARAMIRA IS

> SAYING

> > THAT

> > > >>> 1 BINDUS STRENGTH IS NOT GIVEN. THIS IS THE

> > BASIC. YOU

> > > >>> JUST CANNOT SAY THAT THE DIFFERENCE OF OPINION

IS

> > > >>> "ONLY". THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. IMAGINE A

> SYSTEM

> > THAT

> > > >>> IS USED ACCURATELY FOR TIMING OF EVENTS THE SAV

> > VALUES

> > > >>> FROM WHICH THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANEST AND FOR

> EACH

> > AND

> > > >>> EVERY HOUSE IS COMPUTED AND ITS BASED ON SAV

AND

> > SAV IS

> > > >>> BASED ON BAV. IN THE LEAST WHAT YOU ARE SAYING

> > MIGHT

> > > >>> SURMOUNT TO COMPOUNDING OF ERROR. ACTUALLY IF

> YOU

> > STUDY

> > > >>> HOW ONE COMES TO THE POINTS THAT I HAVE

> DISPLAYED

> > IN MY

> > > >>> PREVIOUS MAILS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHY

> I

> > AM SO

> > > >>> PICKY WITH THIS DISTRIBUTION OF BAV AND

STICKING

> TO

> > > >>> VARHARAMIRA. IF WE DIFFER ON THIS VIEW WE CAN

> > AGREE TO

> > > >>> DISAGREE.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I have already given the reason I think Saturn

is

> > > >>> stronger than Guru in reply to Lakshmi.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> ASH : YES, I DID READ YOUR INTERSTING COMMENT

> BUT I

> > WAS

> > > >>> NOT CLEAR ON WHAT YOU MEANT BY STRONGER.

> STRONGER

> > FOR

> > > >>> WHAT EVENTS ? DID U MEAN STRONGER FOR

DELIVERING

> > > >>> RESULTS OR ALL 12 HOUSES. CAN YOU BE MORE

> > SPECIFIC.

> > > >>> WHEN I GAVE THE POINTS I AM BEING VERY SPECIFIC

> AND

> > > >>> COMPARING GURU WITH SHANI FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. I

> AM

> > BEING

> > > >>> SPECIFIC IN SAYING THAT IN GURU ANTRA RAMESH

> WILL

> > HAVE

> > > >>> MORE AUTHORITY AS COMPARED TO SHANI. GURU IS

IN

> > UPCAHYA

> > > >>> FROM 10TH HOUSE AND WITH 5 BINDUS. SO ITS VERY

> > EAGER TO

> > > >>> GIVE 2ND AND 10TH HOUSE MATTERS. SHANI IS

EAGER

> TO

> > GIVE

> > > >>> RESULTS FOR 12TH, 4TH, 11TH, AND 3RD HOUSE IN

ITS

> > > >>> ANTRA. CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC. I DO NOT

> THINK

> > SHANI

> > > >>> IS BAD FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE AND NEITHER IS

> GURU

> > IN

> > > >>> HIS ANTRA. AGAIN I AM RESTRICTING THE RESULTS

> TO

> > THE

> > > >>> ANTRA. I THINK IF U ARE MORE SPECIFIC THEN WE

> > MIGHT BE

> > > >>> SAYING THE SAME THING BUT FROM A DIFFERENT VIEW

> > POINT.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> The reason it is not reflected in the table

> given

> > by you

> > > >>> is,as you have indicated Navamsha strength of

> > planets is

> > > >>> not considered in the system you are using.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> ASH : THIS IS INCORRECT. THE STRENGTH IS

> DERIVED

> > FROM

> > > >>> RASHI AND THE WORKSHEET POINTS ARE FROM RASHI

> ONLY.

> > > >>> NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS AS COMPARED TO RASHI.

> WE

> > USE

> > > >>> NAVAMSA FOR FINDING OUT THE SAMDHARMIS AND ALSO

> > DELAY.

> > > >>> ALL COMBINATIONS HAVE TO BE CHECKED FROM BOTH

> RASI

> > AND

> > > >>> NAVAMSA. BUT FOR FINDING OUT THE STRENGH OF

> PLANET

> > ITS

> > > >>> DONE FROM RASI. A WORKSHEET FOR EACH

DIVISIONAL

> > CHART

> > > >>> IS ALSO CASTED.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Using Krushna's Ayanamsha the Navamsha

placement

> of

> > > >>> planets could also change. If you apply the

> strength

> > > >>> from Navamsha as given in the chart provided by

> > Lakshmi,

> > > >>> you will see my view point.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> ASH : IT WILL NOT CHANGE THINGS. I CHECKED

AFTER

> > > >>> READING THIS COMMENT. IN BOTH CASES USING

> KRUSHNAS

> > > >>> AYANAMSA AND LAHIRI SHANI REMAINS IN LIBRA IN

> > NAVAMSA SO

> > > >>> ITS SAMDHARMI TO VENUS. IT WILL REPLACE VENUS

> FOR

> > THE

> > > >>> HOUSE THAT VENUS IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS.

> THE

> > > >>> POSITION OF MARS CHANGES IN LAGNA THOUGH.

MAYBE

> IF

> > U

> > > >>> SEE THINGS WITH MARS BEING IN 12TH INSTEAD OF

> 11TH

> > YOU

> > > >>> MAY SEE MY VIEW POINT. AGAIN I AM EMPHASISING

> ON

> > THE

> > > >>> FACT THAT STRENGTH OR THE WORKSHEET THAT I GAVE

> IS

> > > >>> COMPUTED FROM RASHI ONLY AND SAMDHARMIS IS

> COMPUTED

> > FROM

> > > >>> RASHI AND NAVAMSA. RASHI AND NAVAMSA HAVE

EQUAL

> > STATUS

> > > >>> AS PER KAS AND WE FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES FOR

> FINDING

> > > >>> DELAY. I HAVE DEMONSTRATED IN THIS MAIL

> REGARDING

> > > >>> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH WITH LAKSHMI. FOR THAT I

HAVE

> > > >>> COMPUTED DELAY FOR MARRIAGE USING 2 ZEROES, AND

> > SHANI

> > > >>> ASPECTING PRIMIARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES FROM

> RASHI

> > AND

> > > >>> THEIR LORDS IN NAVAMSA AND USING WORKSHEET

> STRENGTH

> > I

> > > >>> HAVE COMPUTED THE TIME FRAME. IT WILL BE

> > INTERSTING IF

> > > >>> LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON THE SAME. THERE IS A

> SLIGHT

> > > >>> DIFFERENCE IN THE WORKSHEET. SOME HOW IN HASTE

> MY

> > > >>> AYANAMSA CHANGE BUT IT WILL NOT MAKE A

> DIFFERENCE

> > FOR

> > > >>> MARRAIGE. HERE IS THE CORRECTED VERSION OF THE

> > > >>> WORKSHEET. MERCURY STILL HAS 18 POINTS FOR 7TH

> > HOUSE

> > > >>> AND MOSTLY ALL HOUSES.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> *Hse* *SAV Pt* *Su*

*Mo*

> *Ma*

> > *Me* *Ju* *Ve* *Sa*

> > > >>> *1* 25 17 20 12

> 20 11

> > 7 10

> > > >>> *2* 23 9 16 14

> 22 22

> > 14 12

> > > >>> *3* 31 16 15 12

> 11 4

> > 14 7

> > > >>> *4* 26 11 17 7

> 23 7

> > 10 23

> > > >>> *5* 32 12 23 9

> 19 16

> > 22 15

> > > >>> *6* 32 18 16 18

> 21 5

> > 8 11

> > > >>> *7* 20 10 14 9

> 18 11

> > 18 10

> > > >>> *8* 19 22 12 9

> 25 4

> > 17 10

> > > >>> *9* 28 8 12 14

> 7 5

> > 21 3

> > > >>> *10* 34 17 13 7

> 16 21

> > 16 4

> > > >>> *11* 38 16 15 15

> 21 4

> > 15 19

> > > >>> *12* 29 10 14 11

> 9 8

> > 14 15

> > > >>>

> > > >>> THANKING YOU,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> CHEERS !!!

> > > >>>

> > > >>> ASH

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Regards,

> > > >>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Ash wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi,

> > > >>>> There is a difference between a house getting

> 20

> > bindus

> > > >>>> and a house getting 19 bindus as you are

> aware. I

> > > >>>> agree both are weak with 20 bindus being a

> stronger

> > > >>>> than 19 bindus. At the same token if a bhave

> gets

> > 1

> > > >>>> bindu more it means one other house is getting

> 1

> > bindu

> > > >>>> less.

> > > >>>> It also means that some planet has made a

> > favourable

> > > >>>> yog w.r.t one house and not with another. Is

> it

> > not ?

> > > >>>> I use Krushnas Ashtakvarga system as you are

> also

> > aware.

> > > >>>> In that SAV is the base from that we derive the

> > > >>>> strength of each planet for each and every

> house

> > and

> > > >>>> also for each and every 16 divisional chart.

> When

> > > >>>> casting the worksheet the aspects are not

> > considered in

> > > >>>> the D charts only the basis strength.

> > > >>>> The BAV values given by Parasara in my opinion

> have

> > > >>>> become corrupt. The BAV distribution scheme by

> > > >>>> Varharamira is correct. The settings are also

> > given in

> > > >>>> JHL software where you tick off the check

boxes

> in

> > the

> > > >>>> lite version. If you use the option of

> > Varharamira you

> > > >>>> will get 20 bindus for 7th house. It would be

> > good to

> > > >>>> understand if you have intentionally used

> > Parasara's

> > > >>>> scheme of BAV or generally use Varharmiras

> > scheme ?

> > > >>>> To come to the final stength of each and every

> > planet

> > > >>>> for each house .

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Here is the final strength of planet for

> Ramesh's

> > chart.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> These are total strength of the planets and

> > derived by

> > > >>>> considering the following.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> 1) 4:10

> > > >>>> 2) Addition of 5 points for LoD and LoE or

10th

> > lord

> > > >>>> and 6th lord from house under consideration

> > > >>>> 3) Planets in 10th and 6th hosue from house

> under

> > > >>>> consideration with > 4 bindus.

> > > >>>> 4) Planets aspecting primary significator

house

> i.e

> > > >>>> Karak, phal and phalit sthans.

> > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspects on karak, phal and

> > phalit sthan

> > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspect on planets

> > > >>>> 6) Adjustment of 12th from house under focus

> > > >>>> 7) Adjustment of 6th lord.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> After meticulously considering all these

> factors we

> > > >>>> come to strength of each planet for each and

> every

> > > >>>> house. Like that we also compute strength for

> all

> > d

> > > >>>> charts but in that we only conider the

strength

> for

> > > >>>> karak, phal and phalit sthan for each and

every

> > house.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> You have said that Shani is stronger than

> Guru.

> > Here

> > > >>>> you can see both Shani and Guru at a glace on

> how

> > they

> > > >>>> will deliver their results in their respective

> > antar

> > > >>>> dasha.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> I do hear ya regarding the system not being

> > different

> > > >>>> from parasara. Actually parasara did give the

> BAV

> > > >>>> scheme but it has become corrupt over time.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Here Jupiter is in 10th from 10th house so its

> > > >>>> foritifying 10th house and also Guru is with 5

> > bindus

> > > >>>> in 7th house and in multrikon so its very

eager

> to

> > give

> > > >>>> results for 10th house.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> If you see the worksheet you can see Ju is

> having

> > 22

> > > >>>> points for 10th house and Shani has 7 points

> for

> > 10th

> > > >>>> house. There is a big difference in authority

> that

> > > >>>> Ramesh would have been bestowed in the antras

> of

> > Guru

> > > >>>> and Shani.

> > > >>>> At the same time if you see expenses v/s

income

> in

> > Guru

> > > >>>> and shani and compare the 11th v/s 12th points

> you

> > can

> > > >>>> see more expenses in shani compared to Guru

> antra.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> *House* *Signs* *SAV*

> *Su* *Mo*

> > *Ma* *Me* *Ju*

> > > >>>> *Ve* *Sa*

> > > >>>> 1 Gemini 23 16

19

> 13 20

> > 17 7 16

> > > >>>> 2 Cancer 24 10

15

> 20 23

> > 23 14 16

> > > >>>> 3 Leo 30 9 21

> 9 19

> > 11 11 13

> > > >>>> 4 Virgo 26 7 22

> 9 24

> > 14 4 23

> > > >>>> 5 Libra 33 8 23

> 5 20

> > 22 16 19

> > > >>>> 6 Scorpio 32 16

> 20 21

> > 24 13 9 17

> > > >>>> 7 Sagittarius 20 7

> 19 5

> > 25 17 12 8

> > > >>>> 8 Capricorn 21 15

> 19 9

> > 24 9 12 12

> > > >>>> 9 Aquarius 29 7

> 17 13

> > 11 14 22 9

> > > >>>> 10 Pisces 29 13

> 10 -2 17

> > 22 9 7

> > > >>>> 11 Aries 40 11

21

> 10 26

> > 14 10 19

> > > >>>> 12 Taurus 30 5

21

> 10 19

> > 12 10 20

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Thanks,

> > > >>>> Cheers !!!

> > > >>>> Ash

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Dear Ash,

> > > >>>> Even with 20 points the Bhava lacks

> strength,

> > is it

> > > >>>> not? Saturn there however extends

> protection.

> > By

> > > >>>> the way I am not aware of any Ashtakavarga

> > system

> > > >>>> which gives differential value of

> Bindus/Rekhas

> > > >>>> based on Lagna of a native or placement of

> a

> > planet

> > > >>>> in a Rasi, aspects received by it and

> > association

> > > >>>> with other planets. May I know to which

> system

> > you

> > > >>>> are referring to and the weightage for

these

> > > >>>> factors given in that system by increasing

> or

> > > >>>> reducing the Bindus/Rekhas.

> > > >>>> If you are talking about using other

> > parameters in

> > > >>>> association with Ashtakavarga then of

> course

> > that

> > > >>>> is a different matter and would not

> constitute

> > > >>>> different system than Parashara.

> > > >>>> Regards,

> > > >>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> ashsam73 wrote:

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Pardon me for my intervention.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> I would like to comment on Ashtakavarga.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> 1) It seems that you have used Parasaras

> > scheme of

> > > >>>>> BAV. With

> > > >>>>> Varharamiras scheme you get 20 points in

> > Ramesh's

> > > >>>>> 7th house.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> 2) For nodes are we know are not

planets.

> > They

> > > >>>>> are used indirectly.

> > > >>>>> They are samdharmi to sign lord and

> nakshatra

> > > >>>>> lord. For natural

> > > >>>>> nature as you have said or quoted in

> numerious

> > > >>>>> posts Rahu is like

> > > >>>>> Shani and Ketu like Mars. Functionally

> they

> > will

> > > >>>>> be more like the

> > > >>>>> planet i.e. either sign lord or nak lord

> as

> > per

> > > >>>>> the points they

> > > >>>>> receive in their BAV. For example, if

> Rahu

> > is in

> > > >>>>> Gemini and nak of

> > > >>>>> punarvasu then it will represent Me and

> Ju.

> > If

> > > >>>>> say Ge is 3rd house

> > > >>>>> and in 3rd house Ju gets 5 bindus and Me

> gets

> > say

> > > >>>>> 6 bindus then Rahu

> > > >>>>> will act more like Mercury.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> 3) With regards to your comment on

> > Ashtakavarg not

> > > >>>>> using sign

> > > >>>>> placement is not entirely correct. If

> used

> > with a

> > > >>>>> proper system the

> > > >>>>> sign placement can give idea on quantum

of

> > result

> > > >>>>> and its not used to

> > > >>>>> find timing of result. For timing of

> result

> > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg, SAV and

> > > >>>>> total strength of planets derived from

SAV

> is

> > good

> > > >>>>> enough to time

> > > >>>>> results effectively.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Maybe knowledge of Ashtakvarg that is

> > available in

> > > >>>>> texts today is not

> > > >>>>> complete and may lead to confusion.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg system used is an effective

> tool in

> > > >>>>> timing of events.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> A couple of points on Ramesh's chart.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> 1) In Ramesh's chart there are 2

> consecutive

> > > >>>>> zeroes one given by

> > > >>>>> Venus to 7th and one by Mars to 8th.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> 2) Jupiter antra will be very eager to

> bestow

> > > >>>>> authority to Ramesh and

> > > >>>>> also for acquisition of wealth. Between

> > 1997/04

> > > >>>>> thru 1999/10 Ramesh

> > > >>>>> might have been given a role of

> > responsibility.

> > > >>>>> Also a good time to

> > > >>>>> make investments and accumulation of

> wealth.

> > > >>>>> Lakshami can verify

> > > >>>>> this antra.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Thanking you,

> > > >>>>> Cheers !!!

> > > >>>>> Ash

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> vedic astrology,

> > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

> > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > >>>>> > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > >>>>> > I think in Ramesh's case Saturn is Lord

> of

> > the

> > > >>>>> 9th is it not? He

> > > >>>>> not

> > > >>>>> > only associates a Kendra Lord but is

> also

> > is in

> > > >>>>> kendra being a

> > > >>>>> trine

> > > >>>>> > lord. He is also Lord of Navamsha Lagna

> > > >>>>> aspecting Lagna, besides

> > > >>>>> being

> > > >>>>> > placed in a trikona. Jupiter on the

> other

> > hand

> > > >>>>> is Lord of 2nd and

> > > >>>>> 11th

> > > >>>>> > in Navamsha and in 3rd house. I would

> > certainly

> > > >>>>> treat Saturn as

> > > >>>>> more

> > > >>>>> > powerful than Jupiter, even if in Lagna

> > Jupiter

> > > >>>>> appears to be with

> > > >>>>> > greater strength. But there too he is

> only a

> > > >>>>> Kendra Lord in Kendra

> > > >>>>> > associating a trine lord. Since we are

> > talking

> > > >>>>> about 7th house

> > > >>>>> would it

> > > >>>>> > not be right to look at the Navamsha

> > strengths

> > > >>>>> of the planets,

> > > >>>>> before

> > > >>>>> > coming to conclusion about 7th house?

If

> we

> > look

> > > >>>>> at Ashtaka Varga

> > > >>>>> then

> > > >>>>> > SAV would rather prove my view point as

> it

> > shows

> > > >>>>> 7th house with 19

> > > >>>>> > points. Personally I give more

weightage

> to

> > > >>>>> Natal chart read with

> > > >>>>> > Navamsha. the reason is Ashtakavarga do

> not

> > > >>>>> consider effects of

> > > >>>>> nodes ,

> > > >>>>> > neither do they consider house

ownership

> or

> > Rasi

> > > >>>>> occupation

> > > >>>>> > weightage.Your opinion would be

> appreciated.

> > > >>>>> > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >>>>> >

> > > >>>>> > lakshmi ramesh wrote:

> > > >>>>> >

> > > >>>>> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >>>>> > >

> > > >>>>> > > Namaste Chandrasekar ji,

> > > >>>>> > >

> > > >>>>> > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in

> own

> > > >>>>> house/moolatrikona.

> > > >>>>> Please

> > > >>>>> > > look at the ashtakavarga & bala of

> > Saturn. Who

> > > >>>>> is more empowered

> > > >>>>> to

> > > >>>>> > > protect the house, based on both

> strength

> > and

> > > >>>>> functionality,

> > > >>>>> Jupiter

> > > >>>>> > > or Saturn? I request you to ponder on

> > this.

> > > >>>>> > >

> > > >>>>> > > Regards,

> > > >>>>> > > Lakshmi

> > > >>>>> > >

> > > >>>>> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/*

wrote:

> > > >>>>> > >

> > > >>>>> > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > >>>>> > > If I may point out, in Javed's

> case

> > Guru

> > > >>>>> is in own house and

> > > >>>>> in

> > > >>>>> > > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts

> Guru.

> > The

> > > >>>>> dictum is Sthana

> > > >>>>> rakshati

> > > >>>>> > > Mandah. Guru's exception to house

> > damage

> > > >>>>> occurs when he is in

> > > >>>>> own

> > > >>>>> > > house.

> > > >>>>> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >>>>> > >

> > > >>>>> > > lakshmi ramesh wrote:

> > > >>>>> > >

> > > >>>>> > >> Om Gurave Namah

> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > >>>>> > >> Namaste Pradeep ji,

> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > >>>>> > >> I happen to know of individuals

> who

> > have

> > > >>>>> strong Guru in 4th

> > > >>>>> and

> > > >>>>> > >> 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has

> blessed

> > the

> > > >>>>> individual with

> > > >>>>> great

> > > >>>>> > >> knowledge, an intelligence that

> > borders

> > > >>>>> on genius and a rare

> > > >>>>> > >> inner harmony. That person, a

> devout

> > > >>>>> Muslim, is one of the

> > > >>>>> finest

> > > >>>>> > >> individuals I have ever come

> across,

> > and

> > > >>>>> he is very attached

> > > >>>>> to

> > > >>>>> > >> his family and mother and there

> are

> > no

> > > >>>>> problems what so ever

> > > >>>>> on

> > > >>>>> > >> the home front. This individual

> is

> > highly

> > > >>>>> esteemed in his

> > > >>>>> work

> > > >>>>> > >> environment and has all the

> comforts

> > one

> > > >>>>> could desire.

> > > >>>>> Infact,

> > > >>>>> > >> Guru in 4th is supposed to cast

> > > >>>>> sukhargala on lagna, which is

> > > >>>>> > >> good for the general health &

> > happiness

> > > >>>>> of the person.

> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > >>>>> > >> The individual with Jupiter &

> Saturn

> > in

> > > >>>>> 7th (Dhanus) is my

> > > >>>>> own

> > > >>>>> > >> dear husband. We have been very

> > happily

> > > >>>>> married for nearly 20

> > > >>>>> > >> years. My husband has prospered

> > > >>>>> remarkably after marriage.

> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > >>>>> > >> I am posting the charts here.

> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > >>>>> > >> I request that you also post the

> > charts

> > > >>>>> of the individuals to

> > > >>>>> > >> whom you were referring in your

> > post, for

> > > >>>>> our edification and

> > > >>>>> > >> discussion.

> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > >>>>> > >> Regards,

> > > >>>>> > >> Lakshmi

> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > >>>>> > >> */vijayadas_pradeep

> > > >>>>> <vijayadas_pradeep>/* wrote:

> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > >>>>> > >> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > >>>>> > >> I have been trying to test

the

> > > >>>>> principles taught by you

> > > >>>>> > >> related to

> > > >>>>> > >> guru in various bhavas.

> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > >>>>> > >> When in 3rd always some

> > difficulties

> > > >>>>> for siblings.Even

> > > >>>>> when

> > > >>>>> > >> in own

> > > >>>>> > >> sign and in 4th,problems for

> > mother

> > > >>>>> and at home front.

> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > >>>>> > >> When in 7th at marriage

> > front.When in

> > > >>>>> Lagna and not in

> > > >>>>> own

> > > >>>>> > >> sign some

> > > >>>>> > >> physical weakness and health

> > problems

> > > >>>>> in childhood.

> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > >>>>> > >> Thus Guru tests the

individual

> > > >>>>> thouroughly.

> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > >>>>> > >> Also sages have advised that

> > Guru is

> > > >>>>> not favourable while

> > > >>>>> > >> transiting

> > > >>>>> > >> kendra houses 1,4,and 10th

> from

> > > >>>>> moon.Only the 7th kendra

> > > >>>>> is

> > > >>>>> > >> beneficial.(Is there any

> reason

> > for

> > > >>>>> this?) Only

> > > >>>>> 2nd,5th,7th

> > > >>>>> > >> and 9th

> > > >>>>> > >> are favourable.11th being

> good

> > for

> > > >>>>> all planets in

> > > >>>>> general.

> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > >>>>> > >> Respect

> > > >>>>> > >> Pradeep

> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > >>>>> > >> --- In

> > > >>>>> vedic astrology,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > >>>>> > >> <boxdel>

> > > >>>>> > >> wrote:

> > > >>>>> > >> > Dear Anuj,

> > > >>>>> > >> > I am glad you agree with

> me.

> > As you

> > > >>>>> rightly said in

> > > >>>>> your

> > > >>>>> > >> message

> > > >>>>> > >> to

> > > >>>>> > >> > Razdan,a the dictum is

> pretty

> > well

> > > >>>>> known to

> > > >>>>> astrologers.

> > > >>>>> > >> There are

> > > >>>>> > >> many

> > > >>>>> > >> > shlokas to that effects

and

> > charts

> > > >>>>> prove the veracity

> > > >>>>> of the

> > > >>>>> > >> dictum, I

> > > >>>>> > >> > have myself posted a few

of

> > them

> > > >>>>> earlier.

> > > >>>>> > >> > Unfortunately there is a

> > tendency

> > > >>>>> to mix up terms like

> > > >>>>> > >> Benefic/Malefic

> > > >>>>> > >> > with the results a planet

> is

> > likely

> > > >>>>> to give. This

> > > >>>>> happens more

> > > >>>>> > >> with

> > > >>>>> > >> > Jupiter as people usually

> tend

> > to

> > > >>>>> equate it with

> > > >>>>> Deeksha

> > > >>>>> > >> Guru as

> > > >>>>> > >> his

> > > >>>>> > >> > name in Sanskrit is Guru.

> > People

> > > >>>>> tend to forget

> > > >>>>> Parashara

> > > >>>>> > >> telling

> > > >>>>> > >> when

> > > >>>>> > >> > Guru can act as Maraka and

> > want to

> > > >>>>> attribute only good

> > > >>>>> and

> > > >>>>> > >> pious

> > > >>>>> > >> > attributes to him. I

prefer

> to

> > keep

> > > >>>>> my personal

> > > >>>>> feelings and

> > > >>>>> > >> prejudices

> > > >>>>> > >> > apart from application of

> > > >>>>> astrological principles.

> > > >>>>> > >> > Take care,

> > > >>>>> > >> > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >>>>> > >> >

> > > >>>>> > >> > nameisego wrote:

> > > >>>>> > >> >

> > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > Respected Chandrashekhar

> ji.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > Please accpet my pranams

> as

> > you

> > > >>>>> are the senior most

> > > >>>>> Guru

> > > >>>>> > >> in age

> > > >>>>> > >> and

> > > >>>>> > >> > > experience in this group.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > Your observation about

> Guru

> > is

> > > >>>>> absolutely right.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > Self had posted in this

> > group and

> > > >>>>> elsewhere an

> > > >>>>> article on "

> > > >>>>> > >> > > "Guru Boon or Bane??"

> some

> > time

> > > >>>>> back where it was

> > > >>>>> shown

> > > >>>>> > >> Guru's

> > > >>>>> > >> > > position in various

> houses

> > which

> > > >>>>> had been

> > > >>>>> > >> destroyed/troubled by

> > > >>>>> > >> Guru.

> > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva

> > > >>>>> > >> > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau

> Shanih"

> > > >>>>> > >> > > This Dictum had been

> proved

> > by self.

> > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go

> thro'

> > > >>>>> older postings and read

> > > >>>>> for

> > > >>>>> > >> yourself and

> > > >>>>> > >> > > check the examples that

> were

> > given.

> > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > Difference between

> Jupiter

> > and

> > > >>>>> saturn is, Jupiter

> > > >>>>> sucks the

> > > >>>>> > >> goodness

> > > >>>>> > >> > > of a house and gives

> fruit to

> > > >>>>> houses it aspects.

> > > >>>>> Saturn

> > > >>>>> > >> sucks the

> > > >>>>> > >> > > houses he aspects and

> > increases

> > > >>>>> the house it

> > > >>>>> occupies.

> > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > --- In

> > > >>>>> vedic astrology, PNRazdan

> > > >>>>> > >> <pnrazdan>

> > > >>>>> > >> > > wrote:

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > You seem to be

> extending

> > your

> > > >>>>> arguments against

> > > >>>>> Jupiter

> > > >>>>> > >> still

> > > >>>>> > >> > > further.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > Firstly you said that

> Jup

> > is

> > > >>>>> ashub in houses it is

> > > >>>>> a

> > > >>>>> > >> designated as a

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10

and

> 11

> > > >>>>> based on the principle

> > > >>>>> of

> > > >>>>> > >> "Karka

> > > >>>>> > >> Bhavo

> > > >>>>> > >> > > Nasa"

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > . Now you say that it

> will

> > harm

> > > >>>>> every house it is

> > > >>>>> > >> placed in.

> > > >>>>> > >> Why

> > > >>>>> > >> > > this

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > animosity with Jup,

the

> > hope of

> > > >>>>> millions believing

> > > >>>>> in Vedic

> > > >>>>> > >> > > Astrology

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > (in lighter vein).

> > > >>>>> > >> > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > You refer to some

> dictum

> > of a

> > > >>>>> sage, source was not

> > > >>>>> > >> given by

> > > >>>>> > >> you. But

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > take out any basic

book

> on

> > > >>>>> ancient astrology. It

> > > >>>>> always

> > > >>>>> > >> speaks

> > > >>>>> > >> of

> > > >>>>> > >> > > the

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > benefic qualities of

> > Jupiter.

> > > >>>>> Somewhere it is even

> > > >>>>> > >> said, that

> > > >>>>> > >> > > howsoever

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > bad it may be placed

> in, it

> > > >>>>> will still try to help

> > > >>>>> the

> > > >>>>> > >> subject. And

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > this has been amply

> proved

> > by

> > > >>>>> our experience.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > I am afraid. you will

> have

> > to

> > > >>>>> do some more

> > > >>>>> hardwork for

> > > >>>>> > >> convincing

> > > >>>>> > >> > > all

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > about your notions of

> > Jupiter,

> > > >>>>> the heavenly

> > > >>>>> Brahiman. This

> > > >>>>> > >> would

> > > >>>>> > >> > > even

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > mean a paradigm shift

> in

> > Vedic

> > > >>>>> Astrology.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > Pran Razdan

> > > >>>>> > >> > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> > > >>>>> <boxdel> wrote:

> > > >>>>> > >> > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Reference to Leo was

> in

> > > >>>>> connection with what

> > > >>>>> > >> Shubhangi had

> > > >>>>> > >> asked.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Jupiter harming the

> > house he

> > > >>>>> is placed in is a

> > > >>>>> dictum

> > > >>>>> > >> given

> > > >>>>> > >> by

> > > >>>>> > >> > > sages

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > and

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > there is no reason

to

> > try to

> > > >>>>> find out the

> > > >>>>> reason. If one

> > > >>>>> > >> wants to

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > find

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > the reason about Leo,

> > > >>>>> consider this in natural

> > > >>>>> zodiac

> > > >>>>> > >> Leo is

> > > >>>>> > >> in

> > > >>>>> > >> > > 5th

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > house whose

> occupation by

> > > >>>>> Jupiter leads to

> > > >>>>> Karaka Bhava

> > > >>>>> > >> Dasha. In

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > 11th

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > all planets are

> Shubha

> > so it

> > > >>>>> is not only Jupiter

> > > >>>>> who is

> > > >>>>> > >> Shubha

> > > >>>>> > >> > > there.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Disha strength is

one

> > amongst

> > > >>>>> many strengths

> > > >>>>> > >> considered but

> > > >>>>> > >> not

> > > >>>>> > >> > > as

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > strong as Digbala

and

> > Jupiter

> > > >>>>> gets that in Lagna.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Prafulla Gang wrote:

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Dear

Chandrashekhar

> ji

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > In my humble view,

> > (Jupiter

> > > >>>>> may not be

> > > >>>>> preferred in

> > > >>>>> > >> Leo for

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Muhurta,

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > I do not know much

> > about

> > > >>>>> muhurta related

> > > >>>>> > >> configurations),It may

> > > >>>>> > >> > > not

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > become weak in

> terms of

> > > >>>>> Bala necessarily

> > > >>>>> (generally

> > > >>>>> > >> speaking).

> > > >>>>> > >> > > In

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact, jupiter in

> 3rd

> > house

> > > >>>>> in Libra is

> > > >>>>> considered bad.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Jupiter in 11th

> house

> > (any

> > > >>>>> sign) will have

> > > >>>>> directional

> > > >>>>> > >> strength

> > > >>>>> > >> > > to

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > initiate for

> results.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > There must be more

> than

> > > >>>>> this reason, for

> > > >>>>> jupiter to

> > > >>>>> > >> give

> > > >>>>> > >> > > negative

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > results.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > regards/Prafulla

> Gang

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > --- In

> > > >>>>> vedic astrology,

> > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > <boxdel>

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Dear Shubhangi,

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Being an Indian

> you

> > must

> > > >>>>> know that Jupiter

> > > >>>>> looses his

> > > >>>>> > >> > > strength in

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Leo

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > and that is why

> > there are

> > > >>>>> no Muhurtas for

> > > >>>>> > >> marriages when

> > > >>>>> > >> > > Jupiter

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > occupies Leo or

> what

> > is

> > > >>>>> called as Simhastha.

> > > >>>>> That

> > > >>>>> > >> is due

> > > >>>>> > >> to

> > > >>>>> > >> > > the

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact of

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Guru lacking

> Bala. In

> > > >>>>> your brother's case Sun

> > > >>>>> > >> being in

> > > >>>>> > >> own

> > > >>>>> > >> > > Rasi

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > makes

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > him Shubha and

> > therefore

> > > >>>>> good relations with

> > > >>>>> > >> Father. But

> > > >>>>> > >> I

> > > >>>>> > >> > > would

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > say he

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > would not follow

> > father's

> > > >>>>> profession.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik

> wrote:

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Dear Sir,

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Sorry for

> > intervening in

> > > >>>>> your session, but

> > > >>>>> I am

> > > >>>>> > >> curious

> > > >>>>> > >> to

> > > >>>>> > >> > > know

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > the logic behind

> > jupiter

> > > >>>>> losing its strength

> > > >>>>> in leo

> > > >>>>> > >> and

> > > >>>>> > >> hence

> > > >>>>> > >> > > this

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > email.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Yes, your

dictum

> > worked

> > > >>>>> in my brother's

> > > >>>>> case also.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >My brother has

> > sun+jup

> > > >>>>> in leo but in 8th, no

> > > >>>>> > >> doubt he

> > > >>>>> > >> is very

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > intelligent but

did

> > not do

> > > >>>>> much well in

> > > >>>>> academics

> > > >>>>> > >> and yes,

> > > >>>>> > >> he

> > > >>>>> > >> > > did

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fail once in his

> 10th

> > class.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >With my half

> > knowledge I

> > > >>>>> thought the reason

> > > >>>>> to

> > > >>>>> > >> be the

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > positioning

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > of both the

planets

> in

> > 8th,

> > > >>>>> but now curious to

> > > >>>>> know

> > > >>>>> > >> why jup

> > > >>>>> > >> > > losses

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > strength in leo.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >But though both

> > planets

> > > >>>>> are positioned in

> > > >>>>> 8th, both

> > > >>>>> > >> father

> > > >>>>> > >> > > and

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > son shares good

> > relation

> > > >>>>> with each other.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Shubhangi

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep

> 2004

> > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar wrote :

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira,

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>There you see

> the

> > > >>>>> dictum working. Is it

> > > >>>>> not?

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Regards,

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar.

> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >>>>> > >&

> > > >>>>

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September 28, 2004

Dear Ash Ji,

Thank you very much for directing me to Krushnas Astakvarga System. I became one

of the member of this group. I think ,I may learn a lot taking help of this

system.

Please tell me , is there any differences between general astakvarga system and

Krushnas Astakvarga System ?

I could not open the site of "sageasita.com"as suggested by you.

Thanks once again.We may meet in future. Actually I do not get enough time to be

online.This is the reason I am always missing you people.Regards.

aarceemastro2002ashsam73 <ashsam73 > wrote:

Dear Pradeep,Please just call me Ash.My answers in CAPS.--- In

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep>

wrote:> Dear Ash ji & Chandrashekhar ji> > This debate on Astakavarga and its

importance during chart analysis > is becoming really educative.ASH : I AM GLAD

THAT YOU ARE LEARNING FROM CHANDRASHEKHAR AND MY DISCUSSION.I was scared to ask

any questions due > to my ignorance. But i think i may ask couple of questions

of broad > nature.ASH : WHY ARE U SCARED OF ASKING ANY QUESTION ? IT IS AN

HONOUR FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO LEARN THIS SCIENCE OF LIGHT AND HELP PEOPLE IN

NEED. I HAVE SEEN SUCH NICE POSTS FROM YOU IN THE PAST. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO

ASK. I SHALL TRY TO ANSWER EACH POINT IN THE

LIMITED TIME AND RESOUCES I HAVE.> > Ash ji, I am glad that your system

considers the Vargas as an > inherent division within the Rashi,and it should

be like that as > per my humble understanding of Parashara.This gives me

confidence and > trust.Now you have said jupiter within the second navamsha,in

cancer > is samadharmi to Sun.ASH : BEFORE WE DWELVE ANY FURTHER PLEASE TRY TO

UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING.1) ASHTAKAVARGA IS TAUGHT BY MAHARISHI PARASARA AND

VARHARAMIRA AND MOSTLY ALL BOOKS HAVE REFERENCE AND SHOLKES ON ASHTAKAVARGA.

BUT IN NO BOOK A SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING ASHTAKAVARGA IS GIVEN.2)

ASHTAKAVARGA IS A TOOL GIVEN AND IS USED IN ALL VARGAS. ITS APPLICABLE IN ALL

D-CHARTS. EXPLORE THE FEATURES GIVEN IN JHL AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ITS

PROGRAMMED TO GIVE SAV FOR ALL D-CHARTS.3) ASHTAKAVARGA WHEN USED IN A FULL

SYSTEM IS USED VERY

EFFECTIVELY TO TIME ALL EVENTS. ITS USE IS NOT LIMITED TO TRANSITS AND TIMING

LONGEVITY. 4) WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM ALL FACTORS ARE

CONSIDERED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. ASHTAKAVARGA IF YOU GO DEEPER AND TRY TO

UNDERSTAND THE THEORY BEHIND KAS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING.

I MYSELF HAVE SPEND SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DEEP THEORY BEHIND

KAS AND AM TRUELY AMAZED. IT DID NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT BUT IT TOOK TIME AND

DEDICATION AND I STILL HAVE MUCH TO LEARN.OK. NOW THAT THIS IS CLARIFIED I

SHALL PROCEED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.> > As per my understanding ,any

transiting planet will trigger the > planets placed in a house ,their lords and

also the lord of the > transiting house.Thus when a planet transits say 3deg 20

to 6 deg > 40, (as you have mentioned) in Cancer,it is also transiting navamsha

> of sun, w.r

to that Rashi.Thus this transit will trigger Sun and > also Jupiter,as jupiter

is placed within that navamsha.Also this is > an intense transit as far as the

planet is concerned (exact > navamsha).> > Is this the basis for

Samadharmi?ASH : OK. TRANSITS IS A VERY DETAILED TOPIC. IN SHORT I WILL TELL

U SOMETHING. YOU CAN STUDY HOW ONE WILL FEEL IN A DAY BY USING SAV. THERE IS

A FULL LESSON JUST EXPLAINING THIS. SO THAT COVERES ONE PORTION OF TRANSITS.

THE SECOND PORTION OF TRANSITS IS STUDYING INDIVIDUAL TRANSITS. EACH TRANSIT

MEANS DIFFERENT THNINGS BASED ON KALPURUSH CHART AND THE NATAL CHART. TRANSIT

OF SUN IS MOST IMPORTANT TO TIME EVENTS. SUN IS BOSS OF ALL PLANETS. TRANSIT

OF SHANI AND GURU IS VERY IMPORTANT TO STUDY FINANCES. BEFORE YOU GET INTO

TRANSITS ONE MUST KNOW CLEARLY THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANETS FOR EACH AND EVERY

HOUSE. THE POWER OF EACH PLANET. PRADEEP I AM FINDING IT HARD TO COMPRESS 35

LESSONS INTO 1 EMAIL. TRANSITS IS A VERY LOADED TOPIC. I SHALL GIVE U

REFERENCES BUT I SUGGEST YOU STUDY ONE THING AT A TIME AND NOT CONFUSE MANY

THINGS.RELATION BETWEEN RASHI AND NAVAMSA IS MOST IMPORTANT. AGAIN THERE ARE

LESSONS ON THIS ALSO. THIS IS CO-TIED AND CO-RELATED WITH SAMDHARMI

CONCEPT.WHAT IS SAMDHARMI YOU ASK ? ITS AGAIN A LOADED TOPIC. IN SHORT WHEN

PLANETS ARE IN 4:10 AND UNDER CERTAIN CONDITION I.E. PLANET IN 10TH MUST HAVE

LESS POINTS I.E. < 4 BINDUS AND PLANET IN 4THF ROM IT MUST HAVE MORE THAN 4

POINTS IN THAT CASE THE 2 PLANETS BECOME POWEFUL SAMDHARMIS. PLANETS IN THE

SAME SIGN BECOME SAMDHARMI. WHEN SAY GURU IS BETWEEN 3DEG20 TO 6DEG20 IN

CANCER THEN THIS GURU WILL BECOME SAMDHARMI TO SUN AS IT WILL FALL IN NAVAMSA

OF SUN. SO AS YOU SAY NAVAMSA DEPOSITER

IS CONSIDERED. RAHU AND KETU ARE SAMDHARMI TO SIGN AND NAKSHATRA LORDS.

NATURAL SAMDHARMIS ARE VENUS AND SHANI. MOON AND MARS AND SUN AND MARS. IF

YOU STUDY KEENLY VENUS AND SHANI ARE YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH OTHERS HOUSES. ALSO

IF YOU STUDY MORE CLOSELY THAT VENUS AND SHANI ARE IN 5:9 AND 4:10 RELATION

BETWEEN HOUSES OWNED BY THE PLANET SAME FOR MOON AND MARS AND SUN AND MARS.

THEY ARE ALSO YOGAKARAKS.SO LIKE THIS PLANETS CAN BECOME SAMDHAMIRS. FOR THAT

THERE ARE 2 LESSONS DEDICATED TO EXPALIN THIS CONCEPT. IF A PLANET IS UNABLE

TO DELIVER RESULTS DUE TO ITS ASPECT ON A HOUSE THEN ITS SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN

AND DELIVER IT. LIKE THIS THERE ARE SOME RULES. GURU IS SAID TO SPOIL THE

HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE AND 5TH HOSUE IS PRIMARY

SIGNFIFICATOR OF THE HOUSE SO ITS GENERALLY SAID TO BE SPOILT AS ITSELF CANT

GIVE RESULT. SOME

SAMDHARNMI WILL GIVE IT. SIMILARLY IN VEDIC TEXTS ITS GIVEN THAT MARS SPOILS

THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND SIMILAR LOGIC AS MARS ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE

HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AGAIN TAHT IS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICCATOR HOUSE SO ITSELF CANT

GIVE RESULTS GENERALLY SO ITS SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN.LESSON 8 AND 25 ARE

DEDICATED TO TEACHING THE CONCEPT OF SAMDHARMIS. FOR THOSE TO WHO THIS TERM

MIGHT BE ALIEN, THIS CONCEPT COVERS SO MANY THINGS WHICH IS LIKE YOGAKARAK,

PLANEST PLACED IN SAME SIGN, 4:10 OR I AM NOT SURE BUT IT MAYBE CALLED

PARASPARAK OR MUTUAL CO-WORKERS, NAVAMSA DEPOSITER, RAHU/KETU, PLANETS IN SAME

NAKSHATRRA, PLANETS PLACED IN SAME NAVAMSA SO IT MAY COVER THINGS LIKE SAY IF 2

PLANETS ARE PLACED IN NAV-PANCHAM AND IN EXACT THEN THEY BECOME SAMDHARMI AS

THEY WILL COME IN SAME SIGN IN NAVAMSA. LIKE THAT SO MANY THINGS ARE COVERED.

PLEASE READ THE LESSONS AND FOR A LEARNED PERSON LIKE YOU, YOU CAN

EASILY UNDERSAND IT. > > And i understand ,which planets transit ? will deliver

such results > has to be understood based on the values and the chart as a >

whole.Here the planets role,SAV and the individual points w.r to > bhavas have

a role to play.Am i right?.I am yet to learn the basics > behind these.> ASH :

WHEN YOU READ THE LESSONS YOU WILL UNDERSERSTAND THAT THE KEY TO TIMING OF

EVENTS LIES IN UPCHAYA HOUSES. BAV-SAV-WORKSHEET CONSIDER SO MANY FACTORS AND

FROM THAT WE GET THE STRENGTH OF PLANETS FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR EACH AND EVERY

HOUSE IN NUMERICAL FORMAT. ONCE U KNOW THE STRENGTH OF THE PLANET THEN LIFE

UNFOLDS AS PER VIMSHOTTARI DASHSA STARTING FROM MOON. THIS YOU CAN STUDY AS

YOU WILL HAVE THE WORKSHEET WITH YOU AND IN ANY ANTRA YOU CAN EASILY SEE HOW A

PLANET WHOS ANTRA IS RUNNING WILL ACT FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. IF YOU READ THE

LESSONS IT

WIL BECOME MORE EASY FOR ME TO EXPLAIN THINGS AS YOU WILL HAVE SOME

UNDERSTANDING OTHERWISE WHAT I AM SAYING WILL SOUND GREEK AND LATIN. ON KAS

LIST THERE ARE SO MANY CHARTS SOLVED AND IT CAN ALSO GIVE ONE AN UNDERSTANDING

ON THE SYSTEM AND USE OF ASHTAKAVARG.> Now one question,similar to what

Chandrashekhar ji has asked - Does > this system account for the navamsha rashi

relation ,while deriving > strengths? ASH : WHEN YOU READ LESSONS 8 AND 25 THIS

QUESTION WILL GET RESOLVED. YES ALL RELATIONS ARE CONSIDERED. WHEN YOU FIND

SAMDHARMI ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED.For example if Jupiter is within

capricorn navamsha,while > arriving at strength of jupiter is this point

considered?Does any > Ashtakavarga system take into account varga positions

while arriving > at strength?ASH : ASHTAKAVARGA GIVES STRENGTH OF PLANETS AND

WORKSHEET WHICH IS DERIVED FROM SAV GIVES

COMBINED EFFECT. FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR ALL 12 HOUSES IN NUMERICAL FORMAT.

WHEN GURU GOES IUN NAVAMSA OF SHANI IT BECOMES SAMDHARMI TO SHANI. IF GURU IS

IN SAY FIRST 3DEG20 TO 6DEG40 IN CAPRICORN THEN ITS SAMDHARMI TO GURU AND THE

MULTIPLICATION FACTOR IS 0.8. THIS PART IS LESSON 27. IF GURU WERE TO BE IN

CANCER AND BETWEEN 2O AND 23DEG20 THEN IT WILL STILL BE SAMDHARMI TO SHANI AS

IT WILL BE IN NEECHA STHAN OR IN CAPRICORN IN NAVAMSA BUT IN RASHI ITS IN

CANCER SO THE MULTIPLICATOIN FACTOR WILL BE 1.4. ASHTAKAVARGA ITSELF IS A

SYSTEM TO FIND THE STRENGH OF PLANET. ONCE U STUDY WHAT THE FINAL WORKSHEET

MEANS THIS QUESTION ON TRYING TO FIND STRENTH USING SIGN PLACMENT WILL NOT BE

NEEDED AS ASHTAKAVARGA TOOL IS USED TO FIND THE STRENGTH. WITH ASHTAKAVARGA

ONE STUDIES EACH PLANET STRENGTH FROM WITH RESPECT TO LAGNA AND 7 PLANEST. SAY

GURU IS IN CANCER AND LAGNA IS CANCER SO FROM LAGNA

GURU IS IN 1ST, BUT SAY SUN IS IN 8TH THEN FROM SUN THIS GURU IN CANCER WILL BE

IN 6TH HOUSE. JU AND MO IN 6:8 RELATION IS ? THEN SAY IF SHANI IS IN 12TH

HOUSE THEN GURU AND SHANI ARE IN 2:12 IS THIS GOOD OR NOT DESPITE GURU BEING

IN UNCHA STHAN. NOW WHEN U STUDY THE SAME FROM ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ALL

THESE ARE CONSIDERD WHEN THE BAV TO SAV IS CAST. ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED

INDIRECTLY. THIS GIVES THE STRENGTH OF PLANEST WHICH IS USED TO TIME EVENTS.

YOU CAN THEN ADD THE LAYER OF SIGN PLACMENT WHICH IS GIVEN IN LESSON 27 BUT

THIS IS NOT NEEDED TO TIME EVNETS. SIGN PLACMENT GIVES US THE BACKING THE

PLANET HAS FROM THE SIGN. IF GURU IS CANCER THEN THERE THE MULTIPLICATON

FACTOR IS 1.4 SO IT MEANS THAT GURU HAS 140% BACKING FROM SIGN. SO IF GURU IS

SAY IN 4TH HOUSE FOR SAY ARIES LAGNA AND ITS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS THEN IT WILL BE

VERY VERY EAGER TO GIVE

MARRIAGE. NOW IF THE DELAY PERIOD IS OVER AND IF GURUS ANTRA COMES THEN

MARRIAGE WILL HAPPEN. SAY IF GURU IS IN CAPRICORN AND AQUARIUS IS LAGNA. THEN

THIS GURU IS IN 12TH HOSUE AND IF SUCH A GURU IS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS AND ANTRA OF

GURU COMES THEN THIS GURU WILL BECOME VERY EAGER TO GIVE MARRIAGE DESPITE BEING

IN CAPROCORN. NOW GURU IS IN CAPROCORN SO THE RESULTS WILL BE FELT WITH A

MULTIPLICAON FACTOR OF 0.8. I DONT KNOW IF ALL THIS MAKES SENSE TO YOU BUT IF

U GO THROUGH THE LESSONS ALL THIS WILL MAKE SENSE TO YOU AS U WILL HAVE SOME

CONTINUITY.Or does it mean, strength of a planet vis-a-vis > temporal/natural

relationships has to be understood/evaluated > outside the relams of

ashtakavarga, and then ashtakavarga principles > have to applied on top.> ASH

: WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A SYSTEM I.E. KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM THEN

ONE SHOULD USE FULL

SYSTEM. THE SYSTEM USES GRAHA DRISTI, ALL VARGAS, ASHTAKAVARGA AND ALL THE

THINGS THAT U CALL VEDIC ASTROLOGY. BUT THERE ARE SOME RULES THAT ONE MUST

UNDERSTAND AND THEORY OF KAS AND HOW UPCHAYA HOUSES IS USED TO TIME EVENTS.>

Kindly explain.> ASH : I HAVE TRIED MY BEST TO EXPLAIN. THERE ARE 35 LESSONS

AND YOU HAVE ASKED ME UNKNOWINGLY TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS TO YOU IN 1 MAIL LOL...I

HAVE TRIED. JUST KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND READ THE LESSONS.THE LESSONS ARE FOUND

IN THE FILE SECTION IN

/PLEASE READ THEM AND I

AM SURE YOU WILL UNDERTAND IT AND WILL BE ABLE TO TIME EVENTS VERY NICELY. IF

NOT IT WILL STILL IN THE LEAST SHOW YOU AND REMOVE THIS MISCONCEPTION THAT

ASHTAKAVARGA CAN BE USED FOR TRANSITS AND TIMING LONGEVITY ONLY.I HOPE THIS

MAIL

HELPS.> Thanks> Pradeep> > > vedic astrology, Ash

<ashsam73> wrote:> > Dear Chandrashekhar,> > There is no contradiction.

Maybe in your confused state you are > making such assumptions. > > > >

Firstly as you are very well aware that the chart must be looked > as a whole.

For that you consider all parameters and for that you > have the entire

worksheet. That gives the total strength which I > have given for Sa = 10 and

Ju = 11. Individual points of Sa = 1 and > Ju = 5. These points are obtained

in the SAV by Ju and Sa. > Worksheet is derived from SAV. This part I do not

think you will > understand unless you study the method that is used to derive

the > entire worksheet. This part is not given in any book and that is > what

I mention so it will be

beyond your comphrehension for now. I > have given the website of Krushnaji and

you can download the > worksheet and study it and let me know.> > > > Now You

have talked of logic of Sa = 1 and Ju = 5 but what about > aspects ? What

about 6th lord, What about aspects on Sa and Ju, > what about if Sa and Ju rule

any upchaya houses and the special > consideratoins ? > > > > Have u just seen

one points and came to conclusion that Ju is > stronger than Sa ? > > > > If

so then its the system that you use is causing all confusion > and that 2

people using same technique of finding out strength are > coming to different

conclusions ? > > > > The strength given in the final worksheet will

determin how the > planets will deliver their results for all houses. > > >

> If Guru is in say 3deg20 to 6deg40 in cancer it will become > samdharmi to Sun

in navamsa. So such a guru can step in for Sun if > sun is unable to deliver

the results.> > > > I agree with you. The system you are using to find

strength there > is no consistency. Someone studies the same chart and will

say that > Ju is stronger than Sa and someone else will Say that Sa is stronger

> than Ju. There is too many contradiction that exist in the system > you

study.> > > > Ashtakvarga has removed all these contradiction as the each

planet > is studied from 8 different angles.> > > > In the end I will say that

its Parasara who said that Ashtakavarga > is to be used by us people in Kali

Yuga. > > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > > Chandrashekhar

<boxdel> wrote:> > Dear Ash,> > I am now more confused than ever. You said

" AS PER KAS ITS BETTER > TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN THEIR NEECHA

STHAN AS 3 > PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET IS WEAK FOR 1

HOUSE > THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3 OTHER HOUSES STRONG >

AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM STRONG. SO OVERALL > ALL

POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND BECOME MORE THAN 12.". > So by this

logic would not Saturn who has only one point be stronger > than Jupiter who

has 4 points?> > If you are using Vimshottary Dashas as you stated, then to the

> best of my understanding Planets who are Neecha give more of their > malefic

nature results than had they been in Uccha. Is a different > Vimshottary dasha

system being used here? Again you say that > strength of Navamsha and Rasi are

equal in your system. Vedic > Jyotish tells us that Navamsha strength overrules

Rasi strength. For > example a planet exalted in Rasi but debilitated in

Navamsha can > only give results as if debilitated and one debilitated in Rasi

if > exalted in Navamsha shall give results as if exalted. Since the > system

is totally different from what is known as Vedic Jyotish in > the parameters

used, I do not think we can agree to the way we look > at the strengths of

planets. There are many such contradictions and > I am only pointing out two of

them as illustrations.> > Regards,> > > > Ash wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar,> > My

answers in CAPS.> > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:> > > > Dear Ash,> >

I did not use Ashtakavarga to indicate timing of events at all but > only to

illustrate a point from a different angle. My

intention was > to illustrate that Jupiter's position has not strengthened the

Bhava > under consideration. If I remember right even that was in response > to

somebody's response mentioning Ashtakavarga Points.> > > > ASH : I AM ALSO

ILLUSTRATING THE POINTS BUT FROM THE VIEW POINT OF > ASHTAKVARGA OR ONE CAN SAY

THAT I AM USING THE TOOL OF ASHTAKVARGA > TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET.

IF YOU SAY THAT BASED ON THE > RELATIVE POSITIONING OF GURU AND SHANI YOU HAVE

COMPARED THE > STRENGTH OF BOTH AND THE END RESULT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT GURU

IS > WEAKER THAN SHANI THEN FROM THE ASHTAKVARGA VIEW POINT ITS NOT > MATCHING.

SINCE ASHTAKVARGA IS CONSIDERING ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT > TO EACH OTHER AND

ALSO FROM LAGNA USING ASHTAVARGA AS A TOOL I DO > NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.

SAV TAKES CARE OF THAT FROM ALL 8 > ANGLES.> > > >

> > I fail to understand how strength is on the one hand calculated on >

placement of bindus are considered to be the final strengths and in > the same

breath said to be arrived at based on a system which takes > into consideration

Navamsha strengths. Again how can a system that > considers Navamsha strength

for only a specific purpose like delays > be said to apply all the principles

of Vedic astrology? > > > > ASH : THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA

SYSTEM. THE > FINAL STRENGTH IS DERIVED FROM SAV AS THE BASE. THE WHOLE

SYSTEM OF > TIMING IS USING UPCHAYA HOUSES, ASPECTS ON PLANET AND PRIMARY >

SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE, 4:10 RELATIONSHIPS, WE DO NOT CONSIDER BENEFIC > ASPECT OF

6TH LORD OR 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND SPECIAL > CONSIDERATION TO 10TH

LORD FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO 6TH FROM > HOUSE UNDER FOCUS (IN SHORT

UPCAHYA

HOUSES). THIS IS ALL DONE TO > THE SAV POINTS. SO THE FINAL POINTS THAT ONE

GETS AND JUST TO > CLARIFY WHICH IS THE WORKSHEET THAT I HAD REPRODUCED ON ALL

THE > STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE WHERE YOU CAN SEE > THE

STRENGTH AT A GLANCE IS FINALLY ARRIVED AT. THAT IS THE FINAL > STRENGTH OF

THE PLANET. BASED ON THIS STRENGTH YOU CAN USE IT ALONG > WITH VIMSHOTTARI

DASHA STARTING FROM MOON ONLY WILL GIVE HOW THE > ANTRA WILL DELIVER RESULTS

FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT YOU CAN SEE AT A > GLANCE. I BELEIVE YOU ALSO AGREE

THAT THE ANY ANTRA WORKS FOR ALL > 12 HOUSES> > AT THE SAME TIME MAYBE GIVING

GOOD RESAULT FOR SOME HOUSES AND > MAYBE MALEFIC FOR SOME OTHER. > > > > THIS

WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO HONE INTO WHEN I ASKED YOU FOR > WHICH HOUSE IS

SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR ? FOR 7TH HOUSE ALSO

> BOTH HAVE LESS THAN 12 POINTS SO BOTH ARE NOT CONDUSIVE TO 12TH > HOSUE

MATTERS HOWEVER IF U COMPARE BOTH GURU IS STRONGER THAN SHANI > FOR 7TH HOSUE

MATTERS. FOR 10TH HOUSE MATTERS GURU IS FAR STRONGER > THAN SHANI. I WILL

REVERT TO THE POINTS MISCONCEPTION BELOW.> > > > Is the confusion on account of

trying to analyze timing of events > vis-a-vis the strengths of Bhavas and the

Grahas? Or is it due to my > inability to convey my meaning or understanding

yours?> > > > ASH : HOW WOULD YOU TIME ANY EVENT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE >

STRENGTH. AS PER MY UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE USING ANY SYSTEM TRY TO > FIND OUT

THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. YOU CAN STUDY IT FROM SHAD BAL, > YOU CAN STUDY IF

ITS ATMAKARAK OR DARAKARAK ETC ETC THEN STUDY ITS > AVASTHA ETC ETC THE YOGS

ITS MAKING, IF ITS YOGAKARAKA, OR MAKING > ANY MAHAYOGA ETC, STUDY IT FROM

SUN/MOON/LAGNA/HL/GL/BL/AK/AL ETC > ETC.. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT SOME

HOW OR THE OTHER ONE > PERSON WHO IS STUDYING THE CHART IS TRYING TO GAUGE IF

THIS PLANETS > STRENGTH TO SEE IF THE PLANET WILL DELIVER THE RESULT. SOME

CALL IT > FRUTIFICATION OF YOGAS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY ONE PERSON IS >

TRYING TO GAUGE BY FINDING OUT THE BAL IF THE PLANET WILL GIVE THE > RESULT.

THAT IS WHAT I CALL TIMING. PERSON ASK WHEN WILL MY DEBT > GET OVER ? WHEN

WILL I MARRY ? WHEN WILL I HAVE CHILDREN ? WHEN > WILL MY HEALTH CRISIS GET

OVER ? AND SO MANY SUCH QUESTIONS ARE > POSED. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR TIMING

OF EVENTS. > > > > WITH KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM I AM FINDING OUT THE

STRENGTH > USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM. WHEN I SAY A SYSTEM I MEAN I >

AM USING VIMSHOTTARI DASHA, UPCHAYA HOUSES, SAV, BAV, PAV, TRANSITS, >

CERTAIN SPECIAL LAWS LIKE GURU IN LIBRA, VENUS IN KRITTIKA, AADRA, > MOOLA,

JAYESHTA, SUN TO VENUS DISTANCE, SOME RULES ON SAV AND THEN > FINALLY I GO

THROUGH A TEDIOUS PROCESS OF CASTING THE WORKSHEET > WHICH I HAD DISPLAYED

WHICH USES SAV AS THE BASE AND FROM THAT THE > THINGS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED

SUCH AS 4:10 REPLATIONSHIPS, ASPECTS > ON PLANETS, ASPECTS ON PRIMARY

SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES, BENEFIC ASPECT > ADJUSTMENT FOR 6TH LORD AND 12TH FROM

HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO > PLANETS IN UPCHAYA'S WITH > 4 BINDUS ETC. AFTER

THAT I COME TO THE > FINAL STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. AS PER KAS NAVAMSA HAS

EQUAL STATUS > AS COMPARED TO RASI. THEN WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF FINDING >

SAMDHARMI. WHAT YOU WOULD CALL, NAVAMSA DEPOISTER, NATURAL > SAMDHARMIS I.E.

VENUS AND SHANI , MOON AND MARS, SUN AND MARS. I > BELEIVE> > THESE ARE

CALLED YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH

OTHERS CHART. 4:10 IS THE > MOST POWEFUL SAMDHARMI WHERE IF PLANET IN 10TH HAS

< 4 BINDUS AND > PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT HAS > 4 BINDUS. LIKE THIS ITS A WHOLE >

SYSTEM. EACH AND EVERY FACTOR IS CONSIDERED.> > > > THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS NOT

EXISITING IN PHALDIPIKA, BPHS, TEXTS BY > VARHARMIRA OR ANY OTHER SCHOLAR

DESPITE ALL TEXTS MENTIONING > VERSES. EVEN SOME VERSES ARE MISSING THAT WAS

GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI IN > HIS WRITEUP.> > > > WHAT YOU HAD SAID THAT ASHTAKVARGA

DOES NOT CONSIDER SIGN > PLACEMENT IS ALSO A PART OF THE ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM.

HOWEVER WE DO > NOT NEED IT TO TIME EVENTS. WE USE WHATS CALLED THE

MULTIPLICATION > FACTOR TABLE FOR EXAMPLE MERCURY IN VIRGO HAS MULTIPLCAITON

FACFTOR > OF 1.4 AND SO DOES GURU IN CANCER. SUCH THINGS GIVE US FURTHER >

CLARITY ON HOW THE RESULT WILL "FEEL" BUT IS NOT NEEDED TO TIME

> EVENT.> > > > THIS IS WHAT I CALL A FULL SYSTEM AND I KEEP SAYING THAT SO MUCH

> OF ALL THIS IS GONE / VANISHED FROM THE ANTIENT TEXTS. I HOPE NOW U > WILL

UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BY WHATS AVAILABLE ON ASHTAKAVARGA IS A > FRACTION AND ITS

USE AS A SYSTEM IS NOT THERE AT ALL IN ANY TEXTS > FOR TIMING OF EVENTS. > > > >

THIS IS WHAT I KEPT SAYING THAT THIS SYSTEM MUST HAVE EXISTED IN > ANTIENT TEXTS

WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH WAS > TAUGHT BY HIS GURU AND

WAS KEPT IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE.> > > > You are perhaps talking about

Prastarashtakvarga when you say BAV, > since in BAV I do not think a planet's

BAV can get 10 or 11 bindus > in that you mention in any Bhava. The maximum

that might be > received would be around 7. Use of prastarashtkavarga is for >

movement of transit planet in that planet's kakshya and the

number > of bindus received from the planet makes him a bindu pradata.> > > > >

> ASH : NO I AM NOT TALKING OF PRASTARASHTAKAVARGA. I DID ALLUDE TO > THAT IN

MY MAIL TO LAKSHMI. WHEN I TOLD HER THAT ONLY VENUS WAS > GIVING HIS

FAVOURABLE VOTE TO SHANI OR SHANI WAS MAKING A FAVOURABLE > WITH VENUS.

SIMILARLY I WENT INTO FURHER DETAIL TO EXPLAIN THAT > GURU GETS 5 BINDUS AND

WHICH OF THE 5 PLANET/LAGNA WAS SUPPORTING. > I WAS NOT MEANING TO GO INTO

THIS MUCH DETAIL BUT SUCH THINGS ARE > USED TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL. THE 10

AND 11 BINDUS IS THE TOTAL > POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET AS THE FINAL STRENGH OF THE

PLANET WHICH IS > CALCUALTED AS I HAVE MENTIONED ABOVE I.E KEEPING SAV AS THE

BASE AND > THEN USING THE ASPECTS, 6TH LORDS, ASPECT ON PALNET ETC ETC. THE >

FINAL STRENGTH AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS TEDIOUS PROCESS WERE THE

> POINTS I HAVE WRITTEN. THIS IS THE FINAL STRENGTH OF ALL 7 PLANETS > FOR ALL

12 HOUSES. THE FINAL STRENGTHS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND > ANYTHING LESS

THAN 12 MEANS MALEFIC AND GREATER THAN 12 MEANS > BENEFIC. 12 IS NEUTRAL. IF

YOU WANT TO UNDERSAND THE ENTIRE> > PROCESS IN WHICH I CAME TO THE 11 AND 10

POINTS FOR GURU AND > SHANI FOR 7TH HOUSE I WILL REVERT IN A SEPERATE MAIL OR

WILL REFER > YOU TO THE APPROPRIATE TEXTS.> > > > I did not want to get into an

argument where two different systems > are being used. > > > > ASH : I AM NOT

ARGUING I AM DISCUSSING. I AM TAKING YOUR EACH > POINT AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN

MY VIEW POINT. SO PLEASE DO NOT > CONSIDER THIS AS AN ARGUMENT AT ALL. I HOPE

OTHERS WHO ARE READING > WILL ALSO LEARN FROM THIS AND THE EFFORT.> > > >

However if you want to consider

strengths on the basis of number > of Bindus given by a Planet then would it not

be relevant that > Jupiter can get 56 Bindus whereas Saturn only 39 ? > > > >

ASH : GURU IS A BENEFIC WHY ? WHY IS SHANI CALLED A MALEFIC ? IF > YOU STUDY

IT FROM ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ITS ALL IN NUMERICAL > VALUE. GURU HAS BEEN

ALLOCATED 56 BINDUS AND SHANI AND MARS HAVE > BEEN ALLOCATED 39 BINDUS ONLY.

IT MEANS THAT GURU CAN MAKE MORE > FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI AND

MARS. SO WE CAN SAY GURU > IS BENEFIC AS 7 PLANETS AND LAGANAS WILL

DISTRIBUTE 56 POINTS SO > MORE CHANCES OF GURU TO MAKE FAVOURABLE YOGS AS

COMPARED TO SHANI > AND MARS. EACH AND EVERYTHING HAS MEANING. SUN HAS 48

POINTS. > MAX POINTS A HOUSE CAN RECEIVE IS 96 AND SUN RECEIVES 48 SO ITS >

CALLED KRUR OR YOU CAN SAY ALSO ON BORDERLINE. > > > > Would

this then mean that a debilitated Jupiter will be stronger > than exalted Saturn

in a hypothetical horoscope and still that would > be application of principles

of Vedic Astrology? I would not think > so.> > > > ASH : FOR TIMING OF EVENTS

ITS IMMETERIAL WHERE GURU IS PLACED IN > WHICH SIGN AND WHERE SHANI IS PLACED.

HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE. YOU > ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET

USING SIGN PLACEMENT > AND AS PER ASHTAKVARGA I DONT NEED TO CONSIDER THAT FOR

TIMING OF > EVENT. YES SHANI BEING PLACED IN LIBRA HAS MULTIPLICATION FACTOR

OF > 1.4 AND GURU IN CAPRICORN HAS MULTIPLCATION FACTOR OF 0.8. BUT > AGAIN TO

TIME AN EVENT I AM EMPHASISING THAT YOU DO NOT NEED THE > SIGN PLACEMENT BUT

INSTEAD YOU NEED THE FINAL POINTS IN THE > WORKSHEET. THAT IS ENOUGH TO TIME

THE EVENT.> > > > MAYBE YOU HAVE NOT COME ACROSS A

SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT USE THE SAME > PRINCIPLES TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET

THE WAY YOU USE IT. SO > YOU MAY FIND THIS DIFFERENT OR I CAN EVEN SAY

SHOCKING. YOU DO NOT > NEED THE SIGN PLACEMENT TO JUDGE THE STRENGTH,

ASHTAKAVARGA STRENGTH > IS WHATS NEEDED.> > > > PEOPLE USING SIGN PLACEMENTS

MAY INVARIABLY COME TO DIFFERENT > CONCULUSIONS JUST AS IN THE CASE THAT YOU

AND LAKSHAMI CAME TO. ONE > SAYS GURU IS STRONGER AND OTHER SAYS SHANI IS

STRONGER. WITH > ASHTAKVARGA ITS ALL SHOWN BY NUMBERS AND THERE WILL NOT BE

ANY > ANOMOLY. ALL WILL COME TO THE SAME CONCULUSION.> > > > EITHER I AM NOT

ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OR YOU ARE > NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM

SAYING.> > > > AS PER KAS ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN

THEIR > NEECHA STHAN AS 3 PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3

SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET IS > WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI

TO AND MAKE 3 > OTHER HOUSES STRONG AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE

THEM > STRONG. SO OVERALL ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND >

BECOME MORE THAN 12.> > > > IF PLANETS HAVE > 5 BINDUS THEN THE WILL SEND

MALEFIC DRISTI. > GURU HAS 56 BINDUS AND GENERALLY IF U DIVIDED THAT BY 12

EACH HOUSE > GETS APPROX 5 BINDUS. SO MOSTLY GURU HAS > 4 BINDUS IN CHART. SO

> SUCH GURU WILL MAKE 1 HOUSE STRONG HOWEVER IT WILL REDUCE 3 HOUSES. > > > > >

> Regards,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > Ash wrote:> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,> >

My answers in CAPS.> > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:> > > > Dear

Ash,> > Even by your method of assessing

strength from Rasi placement, > Saturn is stronger is it not? > > > > ASH :

PLEASE REFER TO THE POST GIVEN BELOW. I HAD WRITTEN A POST > JUST AFTER AND

HAVE SAID THAT IT WAS A TYPO. GURU HAS 11 POINTS AND > SHANI HAS 10. YOU CAN

SEE THAT FROM THE WORKSHEET I HAD GIVEN. > BOTH OF THEM ARE MALEFIC FOR 7TH

HOUSE MATTERS. BOTH JU AND SA ON > THEIR OWN CANNOT SAY GIVE MARRIAGE A 7TH

HOUSE MATTER IN THEIR ANTAR.> > > >

vedic astrology/message/44680> > > > The original

thread had nothing to do with timing of events which > you are reverting time

and again. > > > > ASH : AGREED. BUT YOU DID USE ASHTAKVARG AND I AM GIVING MY

VIEW > POINT BASED ON ASHTAKAVARGA ON THE BAL OF GURU AND SHANI FOR 7TH > HOUSE

AND

NOT ONLY 7TH HOUSE BUT FOR ALL HOUSE. I HAVE ALSO GONE > AHEAD AND MADE A

PREDICTION ON MARRIAGE AND HOW GURU WILL ACT AND > SHANI TOO AS A PART OF MY

ANALYSIS. I BELEIVE THE PROOF OF THE > PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING THAT IS WHY I

MADE A PREDICTION ON MARRIAGE > SO THAT ITS JUST NOT THEORY BUT ITS

APPLICATION. NOW I DO NOT KNOW > HOW MUCH OF WHAT I HAVE PREDICTED IS CORRECT

OR WRONG. BUT IN MY > OPINION THE WORKSHEET I HAVE GIVEN HAS CONSIDERED ALL

FACTORS THAT > IS NECESSARY AS A TOOL TO TIME EVENTS. > > > > Since, as I had

said earlier, the method you are using is based on > Ashtakavarga being used to

derive strength of planets my comments on > your arguments would not be fair. >

> > > ASH : ANY WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT IT OR USING ANY TOOL GIVEN BY THE >

MAHARISHIS AS PER SO MANY TEXTS AND BY MANY AUTHORS THE END RESULT > SHOULD

COME OUT TO BE SAME. > > > > I have all along been illustrating what is the

position per Vedic > Astrology. I have already given the reasons why Saturn is

with > strength.> > > > ASH : I HAVE ALSO USED VEDIC ASTROLOGY. ASHTAKVARGA IS

A > WONDERFUL TOOL TO ASCERTAIN THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET WITHOUT ANY > DOUBTS.

ITS FINAL RESULTS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND IS CRYSTAL > CLEAR. > > > > > >

Regards,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > THANKING YOU,> > > > CHEERS !!!> > > >

ASH> > ashsam73 wrote:> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,> > So when you said Shani is

stronger then Guru you had meant for 7th > > house only ? Is my understanding

correct.> > > > As per the worksheet both Shani and Guru are weak for 7th house

> for > > Ramesh. Shani has 11 points and Guru has 10. As per the > worksheet

> > any planet having less than 12 is weak for the house. 12 is > neutral > >

and greater than 12 is benefic. Now if you were to get down to > nitty > >

gritty then I would say that Guru is stronger than Shani by 1 > point.> > > >

Guru is in namvasa of Aries and hence samdharmi to Mars and mars > is > > not

condusive to 7th house matters being 6th lord. Shani is in > libra > > who is

Lord of 12th house and primary upchaya for 7th house. > Venus > > and Shani

are natural samdharmi.> > > > Both Sa and Ju are not condusive for timing of

events for 7th > house.> > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > <boxdel> > > wrote:> > >

Dear Ash,> > > I was referring to your statement that verses not found in any

> > book. > > > The reason that this is not clear to you is perhaps we are > >

wandering > > > from original thread. For example you are talking about Guru >

being > > > stronger for 10th house where as if I remember right, the thread >

> started > > > about Jupiter being strong for 7th house as per Lakshmi's > >

assessment.> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > Ash wrote:> > > > > > > Dear

Chandrashekhar,> > > > > > > > The fact still remains. The BAV scheme given

by Parasara is > > different > > > > from Varharamira. This is one point

and this is factual. One > of > > them > > > > is corrupt. I am saying the

scheme Parasara has given has > become > > > > corrupt over time. The scheme

Varharmira has given has been > > preserved > > > > in time. The two schemes

cannot be different. > > > > > > > > I am not clear to which point you are

alluding when you say > that > > my > > > > information about Parasara and

Varharmira is not factual. The > > BAV > > > > scheme given by Parasara is

different from Varharamira. This > was > > > > visible in Ramesh's chart when

you said using parasarsa BAV > > scheme > > > > when 7th bhava got 19 bindus

and using Varharmiras BAV scheme > it > > comes > > > > to 20. I am not going

into other books. The point that I am > > > > emphasising is that BAV scheme

given by Parasara or Varharmira > or > > any > > > > other maharishi cannot be

different.> > > > > > > > Ashtakvarga has been commented on by many maharishis

as you > have > > given > > > > but the system of timing of events using

Ashtakavarga is not > > given > > > > which I beleive was a part of Vedic

Astrology was saved with > some > > > > families and not known to the world.> >

> > > > > > About the part with which the discussion started is what I > agree

> > with > > > > you. There is a part of what Noname is also saying that I >

agree > > with > > > > however I beleive that Guru spoils the house its placed

in due

> to > > its > > > > aspect on primary significator houses. By saying Spoilt I

> mean > > it > > > > will not give the result in his antra. Also Guru is >

generally > > with > > > > more than 5 bindus. Rarely its with < 4 bindus.

The more > > powerful > > > > Guru is the more damage it will do by its aspect.

For Libra > > lagna and > > > > Cancer lagna Guru is 6th lord and will be very

malefic. > > > > > > > > In the chart given by No Names grand father also he

commented > > that his > > > > grand father has Guru in lagna who is powerful

and he took > > sansaya > > > > after early widohood. Again here a powerful

guru is showing > its > > > > malefic aspect on 7th house.

Again guru in lagna made no > names > > father > > > > a famous and person as he

was known for his knowledge on > > samaveda. > > > > Noname has not commented

on the effect it had on 9th and 5th > > house but > > > > if his guru is very

powerful. I am also not aware what the > lagna > > is > > > > but this can be

the sign of a powerful guru in lagna.> > > > > > > > Thanking you,> > > >

Cheers !!!> > > > Ash> > > >> > > >> > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/*

wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Ash,> > > > It is good that you at least

agree that "GURU ALWAYS > ASPECTS > > 5TH> > > > HOUSE

FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND ITS A PRIMARY > > SIGNIFICATOR> > > > HOUSE

SO GURU WILL NOT GIVE RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS > PLACED IN> > > >

GENERALLY."> > > > This is the point from which the original discussions >

started.> > > >> > > > For your information much detailed interpretation of

events> > > > (Beyond what is explained in BPHS,a although based on the> > >

> principles therein) by Ashtakavarga is available in > > Phaladeepika,> > >

> Jataka Parijata, Jatakadesh Marg and umpteen other > > astrological> > > >

texts. So your information about only Parashara and Varaha > >

Mihira> > > > is not factual.> > > > Regards,> > > >

Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > Ash wrote:> > > >> > > >> Dear

Chandrashekhar,> > > >> > > > >> My answers in CAPS.> > > >> > >

> >>> > > >> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:> > > >>> > > >>

Dear Ash,> > > >> Ashtakavarga system is based on Bindus allotted to >

> particular> > >

>> houses for each of the planet with respect to its > > position> > >

>> from the planet whose Ashtakavarga is being drawn.> > > >>> > > >>

ASH : YES AGREED. > > > >>> > > >>> > > >> The system you are

using is based on considering the> > > >> strengths of planets and the

Bhavas too. This is the > > system> > > >> generally referred as

Parashari or more precisely > Hora > > system> > > >> which also

encompasses the Ashtakavarga

system.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : ASHTAKVARGA IS A PART AND PARCLE OF VEDIC

> > ASTROLOGY AND> > > >> THAT IS WHAT I HAVE ALSO SAID. I HAVE SAID

THAT THE > > SYSTEM> > > >> TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT GIVEN IN TEXTS

AVAILABLE > TODAY. > > REST> > > >> CLARIFICAITON BELOW.> > > >>> > >

>> Ashtakavarga is primarily used to find out effects > from> > > >>

Transit of planets and longevity as made clear in> > > >>

conversat/i/on/ /between

Maitreya and sage Parashara > in > > BPHS.> > > >> Ashtakavarga system

is clearly defined in that text.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : THIS IS WHAT THE

MISCONCEPTION IS. BASED ON > THE > > TEXTS> > > >> AVAILABLE TODAY. DO

YOU REALLY THINK THAT ASHTAKVARG > IS > > USED> > > >> ONLY FOR FINDING

OUT TRANSIT. IS THAT WHY PARASARA > HAS > > SAID> > > >> THAT TO USE

ASHTAKAVARGA FOR INTELLECUTAL PYGMIES OF > > KALIYUGA> > > >> ? I DO

NOT THINK SO SIR. THE SYSTEM OF

ASHTAKVARGA > IS > > VERY> > > >> DETAILED AND KAS AND VERSES OF

ASHTAKAVARGA HAVE BEEN > > BROUGHT> > > >> FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH

ARE NOT FOUND IN ANY BOOK > > TODAY. > > > >> IF YOU CLAIM THAT BHPS IS

COMPLETE AND THAT ALL THAT > IS> > > >> AVAILABLE ABOUT ASHTAKVARGA IS

FOUND AND CODED AND > THERE > > IS> > > >> NO CORRUPTION THEN I WILL

NOT INDULGE YOU ANY > FURTHER. > > > >>> > > >> No doubt the system can

be adopted to various other> > >

>> predictions, as it indicates influences on various > > bhavas.> > >

>> Its various uses have been well documented in > numerous > > texts>

> > >> besides BPHS and the very short description of > >

Varahamihira.> > > >> The assumption that its use is not mentioned for

> > different> > > >> uses in any other text but the two you mentioned

is > not> > > >> factually correct.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : THE

SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS USING ASHTAKVARGA IS > NOT>

> > >> GIVEN CLEARLY IS IN ANY TEXTS. THAT IS WHAT I AM > > SAYING. > >

> >>> > > >> Krushna has developed different parameters and as > long >

> as the> > > >> system delivers results there should be no issue with

> > that.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : HERE I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT KRUSHNAJI

HAS NOT> > > >> DEVELOPED DIFFERENT PARAMETERS AND THIS SYSTEM. HE >

HAD> > > >> BROUGHT IT FORWARD. THIS SYSTEM WAS KEPT IN FAMILY > OF >

> HIS> > >

>> GURU AND THAT WAS TRANSMITTED FROM FATHER TO SON. > > KRUSHNAJI> > >

>> WANTED THIS SYSTEM TO REMAIN IN THIS WORLD. THIS > SYSTEM > > MUST>

> > >> HAVE BEEN IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE FOR CENTURIES. IF ONE> > > >>

UNDERSTANDS THIS SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS MAYBE WHAT AND > > WHY I> > > >>

AM INDULDING YOU IN THIS THREAD WILL BECOME CLEAR. > > > >>> > > >>

It is easy to say that Parashara and Varahamihira's > > texts> > > >>

are corrupted, and they

could be. But that does not > prove> > > >> that the bindus used are

wrong especially as most of > > other> > > >> parameters that you

mention are drawn from these very > > texts.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : THE

SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING > ASHTAKAVARGA > > IS> > > >> NOT

DIFFERENT FROM VEDIC ASTROLOGY. INFACT VEDIC > > ASTROLOGY> > > >> IS

MADE CLEAR WITH THE PROPER USE OF ASHTAKAVARGA AND > > KAS. I> > > >>

DO NOT THINK PARASARA LIGHTLY MENTIONED THE USE OF> > >

>> ASHTAKAVARGA FOR US PEOPLE IN KALI YUGA. A LOT OF> > > >>

ASHTAKVARGA AND SANSKRIT SHLOKAS HAVE BEEN LOST. > THIS IS> > > >>

WHAT I AM SAYING OR KEPT WITH FAMILES TILL SOMEONE > LIKE> > > >>

KRUSHNAJI COMES ALONG AND BRINGS SUCH TECHNIQUES > > FORWARD. > > > >>

ITS A BIG CREDIT TO KRUSHNAJI FOR BRINGING FORWARD > THIS> > > >>

SYSTEM WITH HAS MADE TIMING OF EVENTS SO EASY.> > > >>> > > >> It is

well known that Varaha Mihira was influenced by > > Greek>

> > >> astrologers and has adopted some of their methods, so > the> > >

>> bindus that he attributes could also have come from > them.> > > >>>

> > >> ASH : ONE THING. BAV IS BAV AND BASIC SCHEME SHOUL.D > BE> > >

>> SAME. ONLY IN BAV OF MOON AND VENUS THERE IS A > > DIFFERENCE. > >

> >> PARASARA AND VARHARMIRA CANNOT HAVE DIFFERENT > OPINIONS. > > > >>

EITHER PARASARA'S SCHEME IS CORRUPT OR > VARHARMIRAS'S. > > AT THE> > >

>> END

OF THE DAY BOTH MUST MATCH. SO ITS INFACT QUITE > > EASY TO> > > >> SAY

THAT EITHER PARSARAS OR VARHARMIRAS BAV IS > CORRPUT. > > I AM> > > >>

CONFIDENT THAT VARHRMAIRAS HAS REMAINED IN TACT OVER > THE> > > >>

CENTURIES AND PARASARAS BAV SCHME IS CORRPUT. IN ANY > > CASE I> > > >>

WILL GO BY WHAT KRUSHNAJI HAS TAUGHT ME AS THIS > SYSTEM > > WAS> > > >>

KEPT IN HIS GURUS FAMILY AND HE HAS USED THAT FOR > DECADES> > > >>

WITH CORRECT PREDICTIONS. SO ITS TIME TESTED BY HIS > >

GURUS> > > >> LINEAGE. I AM IN NO POSITION TO MAKE ANY JUDGEMENT > BUT

> > CAN> > > >> SAY THAT I AM USNIG VARHARMIRAS SCHEME.> > > >>> > > >>

Since you give equal importance to Navamsha and Rasi > > whereas> > > >>

I go by the old time system of planetary strength > being> > > >>

derived from Navamsha, it might not be possible for > you > > to> > > >>

follow my meaning and reasons behind attributing more> > > >> strength

to Saturn over

Jupiter.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : I AM FINDING STRENGTH USING ASHTAKVARGA

BUT FOR > > EACH> > > >> PLANET AND FOR EACH HOUSE. YOU ARE ALSO

TRYING TO > FIND > > THE> > > >> STRENGH BUT I AM NOT CLEAR WHEN YOU

SAY SHANI IS > STRONGER> > > >> THAN GURU BUT FOR WHAT ? IS IT FOR

EVENT OR ALL 12 > > HOUSES ? > > > >> JUST SAYING STRONGER IS VERY

GENERAL. IF I WERE TO > ASK > > YOU> > > >> IS SHANI STRONGER THAN

GURU FOR 4TH HOUSE OR 10TH > HOUSE. > > >

>> THIS IS HOW I AM SEETNG THINGS. AS PER THE WORKSHEET> > > >>

STRENGTH GURU IS FAR BETTER FOR 10TH HOUSE AS > COMPARED TO> > > >>

SHANI HOWEVER SHANI IS FAR STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH > > HOUSE> > > >>

MATTERS. > > > >>> > > >> The question of strength of the two planets

was > raised by> > > >> Lakshmi and I was responding to that. I so far

as > > influence> > > >> over all 12 Rasis comment is concerned, Vedic

> astrology > > does> > >

>> think that planets have influence over all Bhavas and > > other> > >

>> planets and the way the results would manifest depend > on> > > >>

their mutual relation.> > > >>> > > >> ASH : EXACTLY. HERE IN

LIES THE ESSENCE OF WHAT I > WAS > > SAYING> > > >> OR TRYING TO SAY

FOR SO LONG. THE BEAUTY OF IS THAT > SAV> > > >> ALREADY TAKES CARE OF

MUTUAL RELATIONS SO IT BECOMES> > > >> IMPERATIVE THAT BAV IS ACCURATE

AS SAV AS U KNOW IS > >

DERIVED> > > >> FROM BAV. THAT WAS MY COMMENT ON COMPOUNDING OF >

ERRORS. > > > >> THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU SAY THAT SHANI IS STRONGER THAN >

GURU> > > >> CONFUSES ME BECAUSE YES FOR 4TH HOUSE SHANI IS > STRONGER >

> THAN> > > >> GURU BUT NOT FOR 10TH HOUSE. HERE I AM BEING VERY > >

SPECIFIC. > > > >> SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOUR COMMENT ON SHANI BEING >

> STRONGER> > > >> THAN GURU WAS CONSIDERING ALL 12 HOUSES AND THE

MUTUAL> > > >> PLACMENT FOR ALL PLANETS

WITH RESPECT TO EACH > OTHER ? > > IF SO> > > >> THEN I AM VERY SURE

THAT YOU WILL COME TO THE SAME > > CONCLUSION> > > >> USING WHATEVER

WAY YOU USE TO FIND THE STRENGH OF > SHANI > > AND> > > >> GURU I.E

NAVAMSA, D CHARTS OR YOGAS ETC WITH WHAT I > HAVE> > > >> SHOWN IN THE

WORKSHEET. THEN IF YOU COMPARE SHANI > AND > > GURU> > > >> FOR EACH

HOUSE WE WILL HAVE A MORE STRONGER BASIS FOR> > > >> COMPARISION. BUT

STILL JUST USING THE WORD STRONGER > I > > AM NOT> > >

>> CLEAR OR AM NOT FOLLOWING. THE QUETSIONS THAT COMES > TO > > MY> > >

>> MIND .. STRONGER FOR WHAT OR WHICH HOUSE OR WHICH > > EVENT ?> > >

>>> > > >> About not considering Navamsha strength, I am not > able to>

> > >> follow what you are saying. On the one hand you say > that> > >

>> these being equal you do not consider Navamsha in > > worksheet> > >

>> and that you only use Navamsha to find samdharmi and > on > > the> >

> >> other

hand you say that my contention is not correct/.> > > >> /> > > >>> > >

>> ASH : RASI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL STATUS AS PER THE > > TEACHINGS> >

> >> OF KAS. NAVAMSA IS DERIVED FROM RASI. FOR THE > STRENGH > > AND>

> > >> WORKSHEET ONLY RASI IS NEEDED. IF IN CASE OF DOUBT > YOU > >

CAN> > > >> GO INTO D-CHARTS AND FIND OUT FROM THAT. I HAVE > >

DEMONTRATED> > > >> WITH AN EXAMPLE OF RAMESH'S MARRIAGE. I WOULD HOPE

> THAT> > >

>> LAKSHMI WOULD COMMENT ON THIS PART. I HAVE NOT SAID > > THAT YOU> >

> >> ARE NOT CORRECT. YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND THE STRENGTH > > ALSO> >

> >> FROM NAVAMSA. AS PER KAS I FIND THE STRENGTH FROM > > WORKSHEET>

> > >> WHICH IS FROM RASHI. FOR D-CHARTS I CAST WORKSHEET > BUT > >

ONLY> > > >> PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE. WE DO NOT CONSIDER > ASPECTS>

> > >> PART. SO ONLY TOP PORTION OF WORKSHEET IS USED. WE > > BOTH> >

>

>> ARE FINDING STRENGTH AND I AM USING AV FROM RASI AND > YOU > > ARE> >

> >> PROBABLY USING RASI/NAVAMSA/D CHARTS ETC AND SIGN > > PLACEMENT> >

> >> TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH. > > > >>> > > >> Again you are

talking about timing of events and the > > original> > > >> thread is

about Guru's capacity to harm the house > > occupied> > > >> by it/./>

> > >>> > > >> ASH : FOR ME THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF QUESTION. AS PER> >

>

>> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM PLANETS THAT ASPECT > PRIMARY> > > >>

SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES I.E. 8TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS, > 5TH > > FROM> > > >>

HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND HOUSE UNDER FOCUS FOR EXAMPLE > FOR> > > >>

READERS IF YOU ARE TIMING MARRIAGE THEN 2ND, 7TH AND > > 11TH AND> > > >>

IF ANY PLANET HAS ASPECT ON THESE HOUSES THEN THEY > WILL > > NOT> > > >>

GIVE RESULT IN THEIR ANTRA BUT THEIR SAMDHARMI WILL > GIVE> > > >>

RESULT AND THE EXCEPTION IS THAT IF THE PLANET IS

> LORD OF> > > >> 10TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS OR 6TH THEN IT WILL GIVE.>

> > >>> > > >> GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS > PLACED

> > IN> > > >> AND ITS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT > >

GIVE> > > >> RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN GENERALLY. ONLY > >

EXCEPTION> > > >> IS THAT IF GURU IS IN PISCES SO SUCH A GURU WILL GIVE

> THE> > > >> RESULT OF TIMING OF EVENT. SIMILARLY FOR MARS. I > THINK

> > ALSO> > >

>> SOMETHING SIMILAR IS SAID FOR MARS AS PER VEDIC > TEXTS. > > MARS> >

> >> ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND > 8TH > > HOUSE>

> > >> SO AS PER VEDIC TEXTS ITS ALSO SAID THAT MARS SPOILS > THE> > >

>> HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. FOR SHANI IT DOES NOT ASPECT > ANY > > OF THE>

> > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES WHEREEVER ITS PLACED SO ITS NOT > SAID > >

TO> > > >> SPOIL THE HOUSE AND WILL DELIVER THE RESULT IF IT HAS > >

POWER> > > >>

AS PER WORKSHEET. SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN NOTED IN TEXTS > AS > > JU> > > >>

SPOILS THE HOUSE IT IS PLACED IN AND SHANI DOES NOT. > > MARS> > > >>

ALSO CAN BE SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE IT IS IN HOWEVER > THE> > > >>

EXCEPTIONS FOR ALL IS IF THE SAME PLANET ALSO RULES > 10TH > > AND> > > >>

6TH FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN IT WILL GIVE THE > > RESULT. > > > >>

THIS CAN BE CHECKED AND I AM SURE IT WILL VALIDATE > WITH > > YOUR> > > >>

EXCEPTIONS. > > > >>> > >

>> SO I AM NOT TAKING PART IN THE DISCUSSION AS FOR ME> > > >>

PERSONALLY THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCUSS. THE BASICS > OF > > SUCH> > > >>

THINGS ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR AND CONSIDERED BY THE RULES > OF> > > >>

KRUSHNAS ASHTAVARGA SYSTEM. I AM VERY GLAD HOWEVER > TO > > SEE> > > >>

THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THIS TOPIC. > > > >>> > > >> ANOTHER THING,

GURU IS A HYOCRATIC PLANET. WHENEVER > ONE> > > >> TRIES TO POTRAY

GURU AS BAD THERE WILL BE >

RESISTANCE. > > THIS> > > >> IS THE POWER OF GURU. I AM SITTING BACK

AND READING > WITH> > > >> INTEREST AND SEEING THE MAYA GURU CREATES.

FUNNY ITS > > EASIER> > > >> TO BLAME SHANI FOR THINGS AND POTRAY IT AS

BAD BUT > > INFACT ITS> > > >> SHANI WHO IS THE PLANET OF TRUTH. > > >

>>> > > >> SUCH THIGNS ARE HARD FOR PEOPLE TO DIGEST AND YOU ARE > >

GETTING> > > >> SO MUCH OF EXPLAINING TO DO. THIS ITSELF PROVES MY > >

POINT AND> > >

>> YOUR POINT ALSO.> > > >>> > > >> Anyway let us await

Lakshmi's comment about your> > > >> observation on Mercury Antar,

though this is not part > of > > the> > > >> original discussions.> > >

>>> > > >> ASH : YES, IT WILL BE NICE IF LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON > THE> >

> >> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH IF IT HAPPENED IN MERCURY ANTRA AS > PER> > > >>

KAY. IF THE DATE IS GIVEN IT WILL BE BETTER. THIS > WILL> > >

>> PROVE THE POWER OF THE PLANET AS PER WORKSHEET TO > > DELIVER THE> >

> >> RESULTS AFTER FINDING OUT THE DELAY FROM RASHI AND > > NAVAMSA AS>

> > >> BOTH HAVE SIMILAR STATUS AS PER KAS.> > > >>> > > >> > >

> >>> > > >> THANK YOU FOR THIS DICUSSION,> > > >>> > > >>

CHEERS !!!> > > >>> > > >> ASH> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>

Regards,> > > >> Chandrashekhar.> > > >>> > > >> Ash wrote:> > >

>>> > > >>> Dear Chandrashekhar,> > > >>> My answers in CAPS

below.> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/*

wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>> Dear Ash,> > > >>> I forgot

that you are using Krushna's > Ashtakavarga> > >

>>> system. In that case you must be using Krushna's> > > >>>

Ayanamsha. The system you are using is a > > combination of> > > >>>

Ashtakavarga and traditional Graha Bhava Bala > > system.> > > >>>> > > >>>

ASH : THE SYSTEM I USE IS KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARG > AND > > ITS> > > >>>

PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY. I DONT KNOW WHAT U > MEAN BY> > > >>>

GRAHA BHAVA BALA SYSTEM. IN

SHORT WE CAN > COMPUTE > > THE> > > >>> STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR

EACH AND EVERY HOUSE > AND> > > >>> ALSO FOR ALL 16 D CHARTS. SO

ITS VEDIC > ASTROLOGY > > ONLY> > > >>> AND NOT DIFFERENT. AS PER

KAS WE DO NOT TALK IN > > GENERAL> > > >>> TERMS AS SHANI IS STRONG

OR WEAK BUT WE CAN GO > INTO> > > >>> DETAILS AS PER POINTS AND FIND

OUT HOW A PLANET > > WILL ACT> > >

>>> FOR EACH HOUSE. IN MOST CASES PLANETS DO NOT > ACT > > BAD> > >

>>> FOR ALL HOUSES. IN SHANI ANTRA AS PER RAMESH'S > > CHART IT> >

> >>> WILL BE GOOD FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AS COMPARED > TO > >

GURU'S> > > >>> ANTRA FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AT THE SAME TIME FOR >

> 10TH> > > >>> HOUSE MATTESR GURU WILL BE MUCH STRONGER THAN >

SHANI > > AS> > > >>> YOU CAN

SEE AS PER POINTS. ABOUT NAVAMSA I SHALL> > > >>> COMMENT BELOW.> >

> >>>> > > >>> > > > >>>> > > >>> There is no harm in

using it as long as results > come> > > >>> true. However it is not

a different Ashtakavarga > > system> > > >>> per se.> > > >>>> > >

>>> ASH : ASHTAKVARG IS ASHTAKVARG AND HOW TO USE IT > IS

> > NOT> > > >>> GIVEN CLEARLY IN ANY TEXTS. PEOPLE ARE UNDER THE>

> > >>> IMPRESSION BASED ON CURRENT TEXTS THAT ITS USED > TO > >

TIME> > > >>> DEATH OR ITS USE IS LIMITED TO TRANSITS WHICH IS >

NOT> > > >>> CORRECT. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT I TRY TO SAY >

AND> > > >>> EXPLAIN WHEN PEOPLE COMMENT ON ASHTAKVARGA AND > ITS >

> USED> > > >>> ONLY IN

TRANSITS. THE WHOLE SYSTEM IN WHICH ITS > > USED TO> > > >>> TIME

EVENTS IS NOT WRITTEN IN ANY BOOK OR > CLASSICS> > > >>> DESPITE

MANY MAHARISHIS LIKE PARASARA, > VARHARAMIRA > > ETC> > > >>> HAVE

ALL MENTIONED ASHTAKVARGA IN THEIR TEXTS.> > > >>>> > > >>> I was

talking about a different Ashtakavarga > system > > that> > > >>>

you had suggested exists.> > > >>>> > >

>>> ASH : I HAVE NOT SUGGESTED ANYTHING OF THAT > KIND. > > > >>>

KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM IS A SYSTEM IN WHICH > WE > > USE> > > >>>

ASHTAKVARGA TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET > FOR > > EACH> > >

>>> HOUSE. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY SYSTEM OUT > THERE> > > >>>

THAT DOES THAT. RESULTS CAN BE SEEN AT A > GLANCE. > > FOR> > >

>>> EXAMPLE RAMESHS

MARRIAGE MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED > DURING> > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA.

MERCURY HAS THE HIGHEST STRENGTH > IN > > THE> > > >>> CHART FOR

7TH HOUSE. AND IS LOD OR 10TH LORD > FROM > > 7TH> > > >>> HOUSE.

MAHADAHSA CAN BE THAT OF SHANI. SHANI IS> > > >>> SAMDHARMI TO

NAKTURAL KARAK VENUS OF MARRIAGE. > SO > > SHANI> > > >>> MD/

MERCURY AD CAN GIVE MARRIAGE. THERE ARE 2 > > ZEROES IN> > >

>>> BAV ONE DUE TO VENUS AND OTHER DUE TO MARS AND > > MERCURY> > >

>>> SO RESULT WILL BE IN LAST SECTOR OF MERCURY > ANTRA. > > > >>>

MERCURY ANTRA RUNS IN SHANI MD RUNS FROM 1983/11 > > THRU> > > >>>

1986/JULY. 3RD SECTOR STARTS 1985/07 THRU > > 1986/07. I> > > >>>

AM NOT GOING FURTHER. IF THIS IS IN THE BALL > PARK > > ITS> > > >>>

GOOD AND ONE CAN NARROW IT DOWN

FURTHER WITH SUNS> > > >>> TRANSIT OVER STRONG SIGNIFICATORS FOR 7TH

HOUSE > AS > > PER> > > >>> THE WORKSHEET POINTS. MAYBE LAKSHMI CAN

VERIFY > > WHEN HER> > > >>> MARRIAGE TOOK PLACE WITH RAMESH.> > >

>>>> > > >>> Varahamihira does have a slightly different bindu> > >

>>> placement no doubt yet it is only different by > way > > of> > >

>>> allowing

Lagna to have one more bindu of > influence > > for> > > >>> some

planet's Ashtakavarga. So it might not mean > > that> > > >>> other

planet is getting a bindu less.> > > >>>> > > >>> ASH : THERE IS A

BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT > SCHEME > > THAT> > > >>> IS IN TEXTS

TODAY AVAILABLE GIVEN AS PER > PARASARA > > AND> > > >>> WHATS

GIVEN OR PRESERVED FROM VARHARAMIRA. BOTH > ARE> > >

>>> GREAT SAGES AND THEIR BAV SCHEMES MUST BE SAME. > > > >>>

PARASARAS HAS BEEN CORRPUT OVER TIME. THE > > DIFFERENCES> > > >>>

IN IN BAV FOR MOONS PLACMENT FROM MOON AND GURU > AND> > > >>>

VENUS FROM MARS. THIS HAS VERY DEEP MEANING AND > > SAYING> > > >>>

FOR EXAMPLE IF VENUS GETS POWER IF IN 4TH FROM > MARS > > AND> > > >>>

IF VENUS IS NOT GETTING POWER OR A BINDU IF IN >

4TH > > FROM> > > >>> MARS HAS A BIG DIFFERENCE. THERE ARE ONLY 337

> > POINTS> > > >>> AND IT WOULD MEAN THAT IF AS IN THE CASE OF >

RAMESHES> > > >>> CHART IF HIS 7TH BHAVA GETS 19TH IT MEANS THAT >

THAT > > 1> > > >>> BINDU OF FROM THE POOL OF 337 HAS GONE TO SOME

> OTHER> > > >>> HOUSE. IF A PLANET IS IN THAT HOUSE IT MAY GET >

1 > > BINDU> > >

>>> MORE STRENGTH AND IT MAY CHANGE THE ENTIRE > CHART. > > IF> > >

>>> THAT PLANET IS IN 4TH FROM A MALEFIC PLANET (BY > > MALEFIC> > >

>>> I MEAN A PLANET WITH < 4 BINDUS EXCEPT MOON) AND > IF > > THAT>

> > >>> PLANET WERE TO GET STRNGTH THEN THAT PLANET > WOULD > >

BECOME> > > >>> VERY STRONG FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT WOULD > CHANGE

> > THE> > >

>>> ENTIRE COMPLEXION OF THE CHART. WITH ASKTAVARG > WE > > ARE> >

> >>> VERY PARTICULAR AND THIS IS NOT A TRIVIAL > MATTER. 1> > >

>>> BINDUS CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.> > > >>>> > > >>>

I said 19 Bindus as the chart sent by Dear > Lakshmi > > was> > > >>>

in that format. Varahamihira has exactly 8 > shlokas > > on> > > >>>

Ashtakavarga and his is

not a different system. > He > > only> > > >>> has a different

opinion about which places are> > > >>> influenced by Lagna in case

of some of the > planets.> > > >>> Parashara has, on the other hand,

exhaustively > dealt> > > >>> with Ashtakavarga.> > > >>>> > > >>>

ASH : THIS IS NOT TRUE. BAV SCHEMES HAVE TO > > MATCH. I> > > >>>

DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU

ARE SAYING BY SYSTEMS. > THE> > > >>> CORE AND BASIC OF ASHTAKVARG

SYSTEM IS THE BAV > > POINTS. > > > >>> IF PARASARA IS SAYING THAT

MOON IS NOT GIVING > > STRENGTH> > > >>> TO 9TH BHAVA WHEAREAS

VARHARAMIRA IS SAYING IT > > DOES. > > > >>> THIS IS HUGE DIFFERECE

OUT HERE. SIMILARLY MOON > IS> > > >>> BENEFIC IN 2ND FROM GURU AND

VARHARAMIRA IS > SAYING > > THAT> > >

>>> 1 BINDUS STRENGTH IS NOT GIVEN. THIS IS THE > > BASIC. YOU> >

> >>> JUST CANNOT SAY THAT THE DIFFERENCE OF OPINION IS> > > >>>

"ONLY". THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. IMAGINE A > SYSTEM > > THAT> > > >>>

IS USED ACCURATELY FOR TIMING OF EVENTS THE SAV > > VALUES> > > >>>

FROM WHICH THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANEST AND FOR > EACH > > AND> > >

>>> EVERY HOUSE IS COMPUTED

AND ITS BASED ON SAV AND > > SAV IS> > > >>> BASED ON BAV. IN THE

LEAST WHAT YOU ARE SAYING > > MIGHT> > > >>> SURMOUNT TO

COMPOUNDING OF ERROR. ACTUALLY IF > YOU > > STUDY> > > >>> HOW ONE

COMES TO THE POINTS THAT I HAVE > DISPLAYED > > IN MY> > > >>>

PREVIOUS MAILS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHY > I > > AM SO> > > >>>

PICKY WITH THIS DISTRIBUTION OF BAV AND STICKING > TO> > >

>>> VARHARAMIRA. IF WE DIFFER ON THIS VIEW WE CAN > > AGREE TO> > >

>>> DISAGREE.> > > >>>> > > >>> I have already given the

reason I think Saturn is> > > >>> stronger than Guru in reply to

Lakshmi.> > > >>>> > > >>> ASH : YES, I DID READ YOUR INTERSTING

COMMENT > BUT I > > WAS> > > >>> NOT CLEAR ON WHAT YOU MEANT BY

STRONGER. > STRONGER >

> FOR> > > >>> WHAT EVENTS ? DID U MEAN STRONGER FOR DELIVERING> >

> >>> RESULTS OR ALL 12 HOUSES. CAN YOU BE MORE > > SPECIFIC. > >

> >>> WHEN I GAVE THE POINTS I AM BEING VERY SPECIFIC > AND> > >

>>> COMPARING GURU WITH SHANI FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. I > AM > > BEING>

> > >>> SPECIFIC IN SAYING THAT IN GURU ANTRA RAMESH > WILL > >

HAVE> > > >>> MORE AUTHORITY

AS COMPARED TO SHANI. GURU IS IN > > UPCAHYA> > > >>> FROM 10TH

HOUSE AND WITH 5 BINDUS. SO ITS VERY > > EAGER TO> > > >>> GIVE

2ND AND 10TH HOUSE MATTERS. SHANI IS EAGER > TO > > GIVE> > > >>>

RESULTS FOR 12TH, 4TH, 11TH, AND 3RD HOUSE IN ITS> > > >>> ANTRA.

CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC. I DO NOT > THINK > > SHANI> > > >>> IS

BAD FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE AND NEITHER IS > GURU > > IN> > >

>>> HIS ANTRA. AGAIN I AM RESTRICTING THE RESULTS > TO > > THE> > >

>>> ANTRA. I THINK IF U ARE MORE SPECIFIC THEN WE > > MIGHT BE> > >

>>> SAYING THE SAME THING BUT FROM A DIFFERENT VIEW > > POINT.> > >

>>>> > > >>> The reason it is not reflected in the table > given >

> by you> > > >>> is,as you have indicated Navamsha strength of > >

planets is> > >

>>> not considered in the system you are using.> > > >>>> > > >>>

ASH : THIS IS INCORRECT. THE STRENGTH IS > DERIVED > > FROM> > > >>>

RASHI AND THE WORKSHEET POINTS ARE FROM RASHI > ONLY. > > > >>>

NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS AS COMPARED TO RASHI. > WE > > USE> > > >>>

NAVAMSA FOR FINDING OUT THE SAMDHARMIS AND ALSO > > DELAY. > > > >>>

ALL COMBINATIONS HAVE TO

BE CHECKED FROM BOTH > RASI > > AND> > > >>> NAVAMSA. BUT FOR

FINDING OUT THE STRENGH OF > PLANET > > ITS> > > >>> DONE FROM

RASI. A WORKSHEET FOR EACH DIVISIONAL > > CHART> > > >>> IS ALSO

CASTED.> > > >>>> > > >>> Using Krushna's Ayanamsha the Navamsha

placement > of> > > >>> planets could also change. If you apply the

> strength> > >

>>> from Navamsha as given in the chart provided by > > Lakshmi,> >

> >>> you will see my view point.> > > >>>> > > >>> ASH

: IT WILL NOT CHANGE THINGS. I CHECKED AFTER> > > >>> READING THIS

COMMENT. IN BOTH CASES USING > KRUSHNAS> > > >>> AYANAMSA AND

LAHIRI SHANI REMAINS IN LIBRA IN > > NAVAMSA SO> > > >>> ITS

SAMDHARMI TO VENUS. IT WILL REPLACE VENUS > FOR

> > THE> > > >>> HOUSE THAT VENUS IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS. >

THE> > > >>> POSITION OF MARS CHANGES IN LAGNA THOUGH. MAYBE > IF

> > U> > > >>> SEE THINGS WITH MARS BEING IN 12TH INSTEAD OF > 11TH

> > YOU> > > >>> MAY SEE MY VIEW POINT. AGAIN I AM EMPHASISING > ON

> > THE> > > >>> FACT THAT STRENGTH OR THE WORKSHEET THAT I GAVE >

IS> > >

>>> COMPUTED FROM RASHI ONLY AND SAMDHARMIS IS > COMPUTED > > FROM>

> > >>> RASHI AND NAVAMSA. RASHI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL > >

STATUS> > > >>> AS PER KAS AND WE FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES FOR >

FINDING> > > >>> DELAY. I HAVE DEMONSTRATED IN THIS MAIL >

REGARDING> > > >>> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH WITH LAKSHMI. FOR THAT I

HAVE> > > >>> COMPUTED DELAY FOR MARRIAGE USING 2 ZEROES, AND

> > SHANI> > > >>> ASPECTING PRIMIARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES FROM >

RASHI > > AND> > > >>> THEIR LORDS IN NAVAMSA AND USING WORKSHEET >

STRENGTH > > I> > > >>> HAVE COMPUTED THE TIME FRAME. IT WILL BE >

> INTERSTING IF> > > >>> LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON THE SAME. THERE IS

A > SLIGHT> > > >>> DIFFERENCE IN THE WORKSHEET. SOME HOW IN HASTE

> MY> > > >>>

AYANAMSA CHANGE BUT IT WILL NOT MAKE A > DIFFERENCE > > FOR> > > >>>

MARRAIGE. HERE IS THE CORRECTED VERSION OF THE> > > >>> WORKSHEET.

MERCURY STILL HAS 18 POINTS FOR 7TH > > HOUSE> > > >>> AND MOSTLY

ALL HOUSES. > > > >>>> > > >>> *Hse* *SAV Pt* *Su*

*Mo* > *Ma* > > *Me* *Ju*

*Ve* *Sa*> > > >>> *1* 25 17 20 12

> 20 11 > > 7 10> > > >>> *2* 23 9

16 14 > 22 22 > > 14 12> > >

>>> *3* 31 16 15 12 > 11 4 > >

14 7> > > >>> *4* 26 11 17 7

> 23 7 > > 10 23> > > >>>

*5* 32 12 23 9 > 19 16 > > 22

15> > > >>> *6* 32 18 16 18 > 21

5 > > 8 11> > > >>> *7* 20

10 14 9 > 18 11 > > 18 10> > > >>>

*8* 19 22 12 9 > 25 4 > > 17

10> > > >>> *9* 28 8 12 14

> 7 5 > > 21 3> > > >>> *10* 34 17

13 7 > 16 21 > > 16 4> > > >>> *11*

38 16 15 15 > 21 4 > >

15 19> > > >>> *12* 29 10 14 11

> 9 8 > > 14 15> > > >>>> > > >>> > > > >>>> > >

>>> THANKING YOU,> > > >>>> > > >>> CHEERS !!!> > > >>>>

> >

>>> ASH> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> Regards,> > > >>>

Chandrashekhar.> > > >>>> > > >>> Ash wrote:> > > >>>> > >

>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi,> > > >>>> There

is a difference between a house getting > 20 > > bindus> > > >>>>

and a

house getting 19 bindus as you are > aware. I> > > >>>> agree both

are weak with 20 bindus being a > stronger> > > >>>> than 19

bindus. At the same token if a bhave > gets > > 1> > > >>>> bindu

more it means one other house is getting > 1 > > bindu> > > >>>>

less. > > > >>>> It also means that some planet has made a > >

favourable> > > >>>>

yog w.r.t one house and not with another. Is > it > > not ?> > > >>>>

I use Krushnas Ashtakvarga system as you are > also > > aware.> > > >>>>

In that SAV is the base from that we derive the> > > >>>>

strength of each planet for each and every > house > > and> > > >>>>

also for each and every 16 divisional chart. > When> > > >>>>

casting the worksheet the aspects are not > > considered in> > >

>>>> the D charts only the basis strength.> > > >>>> The

BAV values given by Parasara in my opinion > have> > > >>>> become

corrupt. The BAV distribution scheme by> > > >>>> Varharamira is

correct. The settings are also > > given in> > > >>>> JHL software

where you tick off the check boxes > in > > the> > > >>>> lite

version. If you use the option of > >

Varharamira you> > > >>>> will get 20 bindus for 7th house. It

would be > > good to> > > >>>> understand if you have intentionally

used > > Parasara's> > > >>>> scheme of BAV or generally use

Varharmiras > > scheme ? > > > >>>> To come to the final stength of

each and every > > planet> > > >>>> for each house .> > > >>>>

> > >

>>>> Here is the final strength of planet for > Ramesh's > > chart.>

> > >>>> > > > >>>> These are total strength of the

planets and > > derived by> > > >>>> considering the following.> >

> >>>> > > > >>>> 1) 4:10> > > >>>> 2)

Addition of 5 points for LoD and LoE or 10th > >

lord> > > >>>> and 6th lord from house under consideration> > > >>>>

3) Planets in 10th and 6th hosue from house > under> > > >>>>

consideration with > 4 bindus.> > > >>>> 4) Planets aspecting

primary significator house > i.e> > > >>>> Karak, phal and phalit

sthans.> > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspects on karak, phal and > >

phalit sthan> > >

>>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspect on planets> > > >>>> 6)

Adjustment of 12th from house under focus> > > >>>> 7) Adjustment

of 6th lord.> > > >>>> > > > >>>> After meticulously

considering all these > factors we> > > >>>> come to strength of

each planet for each and > every> > > >>>> house. Like that we

also compute strength for > all > > d> > > >>>> charts but in that

we only conider the strength > for> > > >>>> karak, phal and phalit

sthan for each and every > > house.> > > >>>> > > > >>>>

You have said that Shani is stronger than > Guru. > > Here> > > >>>>

you can see both Shani and Guru at a glace on > how > > they> > >

>>>> will deliver their results in their respective > > antar> > >

>>>> dasha. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I do

hear ya regarding the system not being > > different> > > >>>> from

parasara. Actually parasara did give the > BAV> > > >>>> scheme but

it has become corrupt over time.> > >

>>>> > > > >>>> Here Jupiter is in 10th from 10th house

so its> > > >>>> foritifying 10th house and also Guru is with 5 > >

bindus> > > >>>> in 7th house and in multrikon so its very eager >

to > > give> > > >>>> results for 10th house.> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> If you see the worksheet you

can see Ju is > having > > 22> > > >>>> points for 10th house and

Shani has 7 points > for > > 10th> > > >>>> house. There is a big

difference in authority > that> > > >>>> Ramesh would have been

bestowed in the antras > of > > Guru> > > >>>> and Shani. > > >

>>>> At the same time if you see expenses v/s income > in > > Guru>

> >

>>>> and shani and compare the 11th v/s 12th points > you > > can> >

> >>>> see more expenses in shani compared to Guru > antra.> > >

>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> *House*

*Signs* *SAV* > *Su* *Mo* > > *Ma* *Me*

*Ju*> > > >>>> *Ve* *Sa*> > > >>>> 1 Gemini

23 16 19 > 13 20 > > 17 7 16> > >

>>>> 2 Cancer 24 10 15 >

20 23 > > 23 14 16> > > >>>> 3 Leo

30 9 21 > 9 19 > > 11 11 13> > >

>>>> 4 Virgo 26 7 22 >

9 24 > > 14 4 23> > > >>>> 5 Libra

33 8 23 > 5 20 > > 22 16 19> > >

>>>> 6 Scorpio 32 16 > 20 21 >

> 24 13 9 17> > > >>>> 7 Sagittarius

20 7 > 19 5 > > 25 17 12 8> > >

>>>> 8 Capricorn 21 15 > 19 9 >

> 24 9 12 12> > > >>>> 9 Aquarius

29 7 > 17 13 > > 11 14 22 9> > > >>>>

10 Pisces 29 13 > 10

-2 17 > > 22 9 7> > > >>>> 11 Aries

40 11 21 > 10 26 > > 14 10 19> > >

>>>> 12 Taurus 30 5 21 >

10 19 > > 12 10 20> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>

Thanks,> > > >>>> Cheers !!!> > > >>>> Ash> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> > > >>>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/*

wrote:> > > >>>>> > >

>>>> Dear Ash,> > > >>>> Even with 20 points the

Bhava lacks > strength, > > is it> > > >>>> not? Saturn there

however extends > protection. > > By> > > >>>> the way I am not

aware of any Ashtakavarga > > system> > > >>>> which gives

differential value of > Bindus/Rekhas> > >

>>>> based on Lagna of a native or placement of > a > > planet>

> > >>>> in a Rasi, aspects received by it and > > association>

> > >>>> with other planets. May I know to which > system > >

you> > > >>>> are referring to and the weightage for these> > >

>>>> factors given in that system by increasing > or> > >

>>>> reducing the Bindus/Rekhas.> > > >>>> If

you are talking about using other > > parameters in> > > >>>>

association with Ashtakavarga then of > course > > that> > > >>>>

is a different matter and would not > constitute> > > >>>>

different system than Parashara.> > >

>>>> Regards,> > > >>>> Chandrashekhar.> > >

>>>>> > > >>>> ashsam73 wrote:> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>

Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Pardon

me for my intervention.> > > >>>>>> > >

>>>>> I would like to comment on Ashtakavarga.> > > >>>>>> > >

>>>>> 1) It seems that you have used Parasaras > > scheme of> >

> >>>>> BAV. With> > > >>>>> Varharamiras

scheme you get 20 points in > > Ramesh's> > > >>>>> 7th house.>

> > >>>>>> > >

>>>>> 2) For nodes are we know are not planets. > > They> > >

>>>>> are used indirectly. > > > >>>>> They are

samdharmi to sign lord and > nakshatra> > > >>>>> lord. For

natural> > > >>>>> nature as you have said or quoted in >

numerious> > >

>>>>> posts Rahu is like> > > >>>>> Shani and

Ketu like Mars. Functionally > they > > will> > > >>>>> be

more like the> > > >>>>> planet i.e. either sign lord or nak

lord > as > > per> > > >>>>> the points they> > > >>>>>

receive in their BAV. For example, if > Rahu > > is in> > > >>>>>

Gemini and nak of> > > >>>>> punarvasu then it will represent

Me and > Ju. > > If> > > >>>>> say Ge is 3rd house> > > >>>>>

and in 3rd house Ju gets 5 bindus and Me > gets > > say> > >

>>>>> 6 bindus then Rahu> > >

>>>>> will act more like Mercury. > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>

3) With regards to your comment on > > Ashtakavarg not> > > >>>>>

using sign> > > >>>>> placement is not entirely

correct. If > used > > with a> > > >>>>> proper system the> >

>

>>>>> sign placement can give idea on quantum of > > result> > >

>>>>> and its not used to> > > >>>>> find timing

of result. For timing of > result> > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg, SAV

and> > > >>>>> total strength of planets derived from SAV > is

> > good> > >

>>>>> enough to time> > > >>>>> results

effectively.> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Maybe knowledge of

Ashtakvarg that is > > available in> > > >>>>> texts today is

not> > > >>>>> complete and may lead to confusion. > > > >>>>>>

> >

>>>>> Ashtakvarg system used is an effective > tool in> > >

>>>>> timing of events.> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> A

couple of points on Ramesh's chart.> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> 1) In

Ramesh's chart there are 2 > consecutive> > > >>>>> zeroes one

given by> > >

>>>>> Venus to 7th and one by Mars to 8th. > > > >>>>>> > >

>>>>> 2) Jupiter antra will be very eager to > bestow> > >

>>>>> authority to Ramesh and> > > >>>>> also

for acquisition of wealth. Between > > 1997/04> > > >>>>> thru

1999/10 Ramesh> > >

>>>>> might have been given a role of > > responsibility. > > >

>>>>> Also a good time to> > > >>>>> make

investments and accumulation of > wealth. > > > >>>>> Lakshami

can verify> > > >>>>> this antra.> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >

>>>>> Thanking you,> > > >>>>> Cheers !!!> > >

>>>>> Ash> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> --- In

vedic astrology,> > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar

<boxdel>> > > >>>>> wrote:> > >

>>>>> > Dear Lakshmi,> > > >>>>> > I think in

Ramesh's case Saturn is Lord > of > > the> > > >>>>> 9th is it

not? He> > > >>>>> not> > > >>>>> > only

associates a Kendra Lord but is > also > > is in> > > >>>>>

kendra being

a> > > >>>>> trine> > > >>>>> > lord. He is also

Lord of Navamsha Lagna> > > >>>>> aspecting Lagna, besides> > >

>>>>> being> > > >>>>> > placed in a trikona.

Jupiter on the > other > > hand> > > >>>>> is Lord of 2nd and>

> > >>>>> 11th> > > >>>>> > in Navamsha and in

3rd house. I would > > certainly> > > >>>>> treat Saturn as> >

> >>>>> more> > > >>>>> > powerful than

Jupiter, even if in Lagna > > Jupiter> > > >>>>> appears to be

with> >

> >>>>> > greater strength. But there too he is > only a> > >

>>>>> Kendra Lord in Kendra> > > >>>>> >

associating a trine lord. Since we are > > talking> > > >>>>>

about 7th house> > > >>>>> would it> > > >>>>>

> not be right to look at

the Navamsha > > strengths> > > >>>>> of the planets,> > > >>>>>

before> > > >>>>> > coming to conclusion about

7th house? If > we > > look> > > >>>>> at Ashtaka Varga> > >

>>>>> then> > > >>>>> > SAV would rather

prove my view point as > it > > shows> > > >>>>> 7th house with

19> > > >>>>> > points. Personally I give more weightage > to>

> > >>>>> Natal chart read with> > > >>>>> >

Navamsha. the reason is Ashtakavarga do > not> > > >>>>>

consider effects of> > >

>>>>> nodes ,> > > >>>>> > neither do they

consider house ownership > or > > Rasi> > > >>>>> occupation> >

> >>>>> > weightage.Your opinion would be > appreciated.> > >

>>>>> > Chandrashekhar.> > > >>>>> >> > >

>>>>> > lakshmi ramesh wrote:> > > >>>>> >> > >

>>>>> > > Om Gurave Namah> > > >>>>> > > > > >

>>>>> > > Namaste Chandrasekar ji,> > > >>>>> >

> > > >

>>>>> > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in > own> > > >>>>>

house/moolatrikona.> > > >>>>> Please> > > >>>>>

> > look at the ashtakavarga & bala of > > Saturn. Who> > > >>>>>

is more empowered> > > >>>>> to> > >

>>>>> > > protect the house, based on both > strength > > and> >

> >>>>> functionality,> > > >>>>> Jupiter> > >

>>>>> > > or Saturn? I request you to ponder on > > this.> > >

>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > >

Regards,> > > >>>>> > > Lakshmi> > > >>>>> > > >

> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > > */Chandrashekhar

<boxdel>/* wrote:> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>

> > Dear Lakshmi,> > >

>>>>> > > If I may point out, in Javed's > case > > Guru> >

> >>>>> is in own house and> > > >>>>> in> > >

>>>>> > > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts > Guru. > > The> >

> >>>>> dictum is Sthana> > >

>>>>> rakshati> > > >>>>> > > Mandah. Guru's

exception to house > > damage> > > >>>>> occurs when he is in> >

> >>>>> own> > > >>>>> > > house.> > > >>>>>

> >

Chandrashekhar.> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >

lakshmi ramesh wrote:> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>

> >> Om Gurave Namah> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>>

> >> Namaste Pradeep ji,> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>>

> >> I happen to know of individuals > who > > have> > > >>>>>

strong Guru in 4th> > > >>>>> and> > > >>>>>

> >> 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has > blessed >

> the> > > >>>>> individual with> > > >>>>>

great> > > >>>>> > >> knowledge, an intelligence that > >

borders> > > >>>>> on genius and a rare> > > >>>>>

> >> inner harmony. That person, a > devout> > >

>>>>> Muslim, is one of the> > > >>>>> finest> >

> >>>>> > >> individuals I have ever come > across, > > and>

> > >>>>> he is very attached> > > >>>>> to> > >

>>>>> > >> his family

and mother and there > are > > no> > > >>>>> problems what so

ever> > > >>>>> on> > > >>>>> > >> the home

front. This individual > is > > highly> > > >>>>> esteemed in

his> > > >>>>> work> > >

>>>>> > >> environment and has all the > comforts > > one> >

> >>>>> could desire.> > > >>>>> Infact,> > >

>>>>> > >> Guru in 4th is supposed to cast> > > >>>>>

sukhargala on lagna, which is> > >

>>>>> > >> good for the general health & > > happiness> > >

>>>>> of the person.> > > >>>>> > >> > > >

>>>>> > >> The individual with Jupiter & > Saturn > > in> >

> >>>>> 7th (Dhanus) is my> > >

>>>>> own> > > >>>>> > >> dear husband. We

have been very > > happily> > > >>>>> married for nearly 20> >

> >>>>> > >> years. My husband has prospered> > > >>>>>

remarkably after marriage.> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >> I am posting

the charts here.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>>

> >> I request that you also post the > > charts> > > >>>>>

of the individuals to> > >

>>>>> > >> whom you were referring in your > > post, for> >

> >>>>> our edification and> > > >>>>> > >>

discussion.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>>>> > >>

Regards,> > >

>>>>> > >> Lakshmi> > > >>>>> > >> > > >

>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>

> >> */vijayadas_pradeep> > > >>>>>

<vijayadas_pradeep>/*

wrote:> > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >>

Dear Chandrashekhar ji> > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>

> >> I have been trying to test the> > > >>>>>

principles taught by you> > >

>>>>> > >> related to> > > >>>>> > >>

guru in various bhavas.> > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>

> >> When in 3rd always some > > difficulties> > > >>>>>

for siblings.Even> > >

>>>>> when> > > >>>>> > >> in own> > >

>>>>> > >> sign and in 4th,problems for > > mother> > >

>>>>> and at home front.> > > >>>>> > >>> > >

>>>>> > >> When in 7th at marriage > > front.When in> >

> >>>>> Lagna and not in> > > >>>>> own> > >

>>>>> > >> sign some> > > >>>>> > >>

physical weakness and health > > problems> > >

>>>>> in childhood.> > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>

> >> Thus Guru tests the individual> > > >>>>>

thouroughly.> > > >>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> >

>> Also sages have advised that > > Guru is> > > >>>>>

not favourable while> > > >>>>> > >> transiting> > >

>>>>> > >> kendra houses 1,4,and 10th > from> > > >>>>>

moon.Only the 7th kendra> > >

>>>>> is> > > >>>>> > >> beneficial.(Is

there any > reason > > for> > > >>>>> this?) Only> > > >>>>>

2nd,5th,7th> > > >>>>> > >> and 9th> > >

>>>>> > >> are favourable.11th being > good > > for> > >

>>>>> all planets in> > > >>>>> general.> > >

>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >> Respect> > >

>>>>> > >> Pradeep> > > >>>>> > >>> > >

>>>>> > >> --- In> > > >>>>>

vedic astrology, > > Chandrashekhar> > > >>>>>

> >> <boxdel>> > >

>>>>> > >> wrote:> > > >>>>> > >>

> Dear Anuj,> > > >>>>> > >> > I am glad you agree with

> me. > > As you> > > >>>>> rightly said in> > > >>>>>

your> > >

>>>>> > >> message> > > >>>>> > >>

to> > > >>>>> > >> > Razdan,a the dictum is > pretty >

> well> > > >>>>> known to> > > >>>>>

astrologers.> > >

>>>>> > >> There are> > > >>>>> > >>

many> > > >>>>> > >> > shlokas to that effects and >

> charts> > > >>>>> prove the veracity> > > >>>>>

of the> > >

>>>>> > >> dictum, I> > > >>>>> > >>

> have myself posted a few of > > them> > > >>>>> earlier.>

> > >>>>> > >> > Unfortunately there is a > > tendency>

> > >>>>> to mix up terms

like> > > >>>>> > >> Benefic/Malefic> > > >>>>>

> >> > with the results a planet > is > > likely> > > >>>>>

to give. This> > > >>>>> happens more> > > >>>>>

> >> with> > >

>>>>> > >> > Jupiter as people usually > tend > > to> >

> >>>>> equate it with> > > >>>>> Deeksha> > >

>>>>> > >> Guru as> > > >>>>> > >>

his> > >

>>>>> > >> > name in Sanskrit is Guru. > > People> > >

>>>>> tend to forget> > > >>>>> Parashara> > >

>>>>> > >> telling> > > >>>>> > >>

when> > >

>>>>> > >> > Guru can act as Maraka and > > want to> > >

>>>>> attribute only good> > > >>>>> and> > >

>>>>> > >> pious> > > >>>>> > >>

> attributes to him. I prefer > to > >

keep> > > >>>>> my personal> > > >>>>> feelings

and> > > >>>>> > >> prejudices> > > >>>>>

> >> > apart from application of> > > >>>>>

astrological principles.> > >

>>>>> > >> > Take care,> > > >>>>> > >>

> Chandrashekhar.> > > >>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>

> >> > nameisego wrote:> > > >>>>> >

>> >> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>>

> >> > > Respected Chandrashekhar > ji.> > > >>>>> >

>> > > Please accpet my pranams > as > > you> > > >>>>>

are the senior most> > >

>>>>> Guru> > > >>>>> > >> in age> > >

>>>>> > >> and> > > >>>>> > >>

> > experience in this group.> > > >>>>> > >> > > Your

observation about

> Guru > > is> > > >>>>> absolutely right.> > > >>>>>

> >> > > Self had posted in this > > group and> > > >>>>>

elsewhere an> > > >>>>> article on "> > > >>>>>

> >> > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" > some > >

time> > > >>>>> back where it was> > > >>>>>

shown> > > >>>>> > >> Guru's> > > >>>>>

> >> > > position in various > houses > > which> > > >>>>>

had been> > >

>>>>> > >> destroyed/troubled by> > > >>>>>

> >> Guru.> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>>

> >> > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva> > > >>>>>

>

>> > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau > Shanih"> > > >>>>> > >>

> > This Dictum had been > proved > > by self.> > > >>>>> >

>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > You may (Mr.Razdan)

go > thro'> > > >>>>> older postings and read> >

> >>>>> for> > > >>>>> > >> yourself

and> > > >>>>> > >> > > check the examples that > were

> > given.> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>>

>

>> > > Difference between > Jupiter > > and> > > >>>>>

saturn is, Jupiter> > > >>>>> sucks the> > > >>>>>

> >> goodness> > > >>>>> > >> > > of a house

and gives > fruit to> > >

>>>>> houses it aspects.> > > >>>>> Saturn> > >

>>>>> > >> sucks the> > > >>>>> > >>

> > houses he aspects and > > increases> > > >>>>> the

house it> > >

>>>>> occupies.> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > >

>>>>> > >> > > Tatvam-Asi> > > >>>>> >

>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > >

>>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >

>> > > >>>>> > >> > >> > > >>>>> > >>

> >> > > >>>>> >

>> > > --- In> > > >>>>>

vedic astrology, PNRazdan> > > >>>>> > >>

<pnrazdan>> > > >>>>> > >> > > wrote:> > > >>>>>

> >> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > You seem to be > extending > > your> >

> >>>>> arguments against> > > >>>>> Jupiter> >

> >>>>> > >> still> > > >>>>> > >>

> > further.> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > Firstly you said that > Jup > > is> > >

>>>>> ashub in houses it is> > > >>>>> a> > >

>>>>> > >> designated as a> > > >>>>> >

>> > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and

> 11> > > >>>>> based on the principle> > > >>>>>

of> > > >>>>> > >> "Karka> > > >>>>> >

>> Bhavo> > > >>>>> > >> > > Nasa"> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > . Now you say that it > will > > harm>

> > >>>>> every house it is> > > >>>>> > >>

placed in.> > > >>>>> > >> Why> > > >>>>>

>

>> > > this> > > >>>>> > >> > > > animosity with

Jup, the > > hope of> > > >>>>> millions believing> > > >>>>>

in Vedic> > > >>>>> > >> > > Astrology> > >

>>>>> >

>> > > > (in lighter vein).> > > >>>>> > >> > >

>> > > >>>>> > >> > > > You refer to some > dictum > >

of a> > > >>>>> sage, source was not> > > >>>>>

> >> given by> > >

>>>>> > >> you. But> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > take out any basic book > on> > > >>>>> ancient

astrology. It> > > >>>>> always> > > >>>>> > >>

speaks> > >

>>>>> > >> of> > > >>>>> > >> >

> the> > > >>>>> > >> > > > benefic qualities of > >

Jupiter.> > > >>>>> Somewhere it is even> > > >>>>>

>

>> said, that> > > >>>>> > >> > > howsoever> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > bad it may be placed > in, it> > >

>>>>> will still try to help> > > >>>>> the> >

> >>>>> >

>> subject. And> > > >>>>> > >> > > > this has

been amply > proved > > by> > > >>>>> our experience.> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > I am afraid. you will > have > > to> >

> >>>>> do some more> > >

>>>>> hardwork for> > > >>>>> > >>

convincing> > > >>>>> > >> > > all> > > >>>>>

> >> > > > about your notions of > > Jupiter,> > > >>>>>

the heavenly> > >

>>>>> Brahiman. This> > > >>>>> > >>

would> > > >>>>> > >> > > even> > > >>>>>

> >> > > > mean a paradigm shift > in > > Vedic> > > >>>>>

Astrology.> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > Pran Razdan> > > >>>>>

> >> > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > ---

Chandrashekhar> > > >>>>> <boxdel> wrote:> > > >>>>>

>

>> > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Dear Prafulla,>

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > Reference to Leo was > in> > >

>>>>> connection with what> > > >>>>> > >>

Shubhangi had> > >

>>>>> > >> asked.> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > Jupiter harming the > > house he> > > >>>>> is placed

in is a> > > >>>>> dictum> > > >>>>> > >>

given> > >

>>>>> > >> by> > > >>>>> > >> >

> sages> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > and> > > >>>>>

> >> > > > > there is no reason to > > try to> > >

>>>>> find out the> > > >>>>> reason. If one> >

> >>>>> > >> wants to> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > find> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > the reason

about Leo,> > >

>>>>> consider this in natural> > > >>>>>

zodiac> > > >>>>> > >> Leo is> > > >>>>>

> >> in> > > >>>>> > >> > > 5th> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > house whose > occupation by> > >

>>>>> Jupiter leads to> > > >>>>> Karaka Bhava>

> > >>>>> > >> Dasha. In> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > 11th> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > all planets are > Shubha > > so it> >

> >>>>> is not only Jupiter> > > >>>>> who is> >

> >>>>> > >> Shubha> > > >>>>> > >>

> > there.> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > >> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > Disha strength is one > > amongst> > > >>>>> many

strengths> > > >>>>> > >> considered but> > > >>>>>

>

>> not> > > >>>>> > >> > > as> > > >>>>>

> >> > > > > strong as Digbala and > > Jupiter> > > >>>>>

gets that in Lagna.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >

Chandrashekhar.> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > >> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > Prafulla Gang wrote:> > > >>>>> > >> > > > >>

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar > ji> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > In my humble view, > > (Jupiter> > > >>>>> may not

be> > > >>>>> preferred in> > > >>>>> > >>

Leo for> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > Muhurta,> > > >>>>> >

>> > > > > > I do not know much > > about> > > >>>>>

muhurta related> > > >>>>> > >> configurations),It may>

> > >>>>> >

>> > > not> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > become weak

in > terms of> > > >>>>> Bala necessarily> > > >>>>>

(generally> > > >>>>> > >> speaking).> > > >>>>>

>

>> > > In> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact,

jupiter in > 3rd > > house> > > >>>>> in Libra is> > > >>>>>

considered bad.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>

> > >>>>>

> >> > > > > > Jupiter in 11th > house > > (any> > > >>>>>

sign) will have> > > >>>>> directional> > > >>>>>

> >> strength> > > >>>>> > >> > > to> > >

>>>>> >

>> > > > > > initiate for > results.> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > There must be

more > than> > > >>>>> this reason, for> > > >>>>>

jupiter to> > >

>>>>> > >> give> > > >>>>> > >>

> > negative> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > results.> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > >> > > >>>>> >

>> > > > > > regards/Prafulla > Gang> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >> > > >>>>>

> >> > > > > > --- In> > > >>>>>

vedic astrology,> > >

>>>>> Chandrashekhar> > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > <boxdel>> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > wrote:> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > > > Dear Shubhangi,> > > >>>>>

>

>> > > > > > > Being an Indian > you > > must> > > >>>>>

know that Jupiter> > > >>>>> looses his> > > >>>>>

> >> > > strength in> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

Leo> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > > > and that is why > > there are> >

> >>>>> no Muhurtas for> > > >>>>> > >>

marriages when> > > >>>>> > >> > > Jupiter> > > >>>>>

>

>> > > > > > > occupies Leo or > what > > is> > > >>>>>

called as Simhastha.> > > >>>>> That> > > >>>>>

> >> is due> > > >>>>> > >> to> > > >>>>>

>

>> > > the> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact of> >

> >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Guru lacking > Bala. In> > >

>>>>> your brother's case Sun> > > >>>>> > >>

being in> > >

>>>>> > >> own> > > >>>>> > >> >

> Rasi> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > makes> > > >>>>>

> >> > > > > > > him Shubha and > > therefore> > >

>>>>> good relations with> > > >>>>> > >>

Father. But> > > >>>>> > >> I> > > >>>>>

> >> > > would> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > say

he>

> > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > would not follow > >

father's> > > >>>>> profession.> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > >> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik > wrote:> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > > >Dear Sir,> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> >> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Sorry for > > intervening in> >

> >>>>> your session, but> > > >>>>> I am> > >

>>>>> > >> curious> > > >>>>> > >>

to> > >

>>>>> > >> > > know> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > the logic behind > > jupiter> > > >>>>> losing its

strength> > > >>>>> in leo> > > >>>>> > >>

and> > >

>>>>> > >> hence> > > >>>>> > >>

> > this> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > email.> > > >>>>>

> >> > > > > > > >Yes, your dictum > > worked> > >

>>>>> in my brother's> > > >>>>> case also.> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >My brother has > > sun+jup> > >

>>>>> in leo but in 8th, no> > > >>>>> > >>

doubt he> > >

>>>>> > >> is very> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > intelligent but did > > not do> > > >>>>> much well

in> > > >>>>> academics> > > >>>>> > >>

and yes,> > >

>>>>> > >> he> > > >>>>> > >> >

> did> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fail once in his > 10th

> > class.> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >With my half > >

knowledge I> > >

>>>>> thought the reason> > > >>>>> to> > >

>>>>> > >> be the> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > positioning> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > of both

the planets > in > > 8th,> >

> >>>>> but now curious to> > > >>>>> know> > >

>>>>> > >> why jup> > > >>>>> > >>

> > losses> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > strength in

leo.> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >But though both > > planets> > >

>>>>> are positioned in> > > >>>>> 8th, both> >

> >>>>> > >> father> > > >>>>> > >>

> > and> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > > son shares good > > relation> > >

>>>>> with each other.> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > > >Thanks,> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >

>Shubhangi> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >On

Wed, 15 Sep > 2004> > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar wrote :> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Dear

Dhira,> > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>There you see >

the> > >

>>>>> dictum working. Is it> > > >>>>> not?> > >

>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Regards,> > > >>>>>

> >> > > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar.> > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >

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September 28, 2004

Dear Ramesh,

Please just call me Ash. Ashtakavarga is a tool given to us by

Sages. Krushnas Ashtakavarga System is a full system that uses

Ashtakavarga tool in a system to find timing of events.

If you visit list and study the kind of question people ask you can

see a pattern. The most general quetions asked are

1) When will I get married ?

2) Why am i facing financial problems ?

3) When will I get a job ?

4) When will I get stability in career ?

5) Will I get admission into college / university ?

6) I am facing such and such health problems when will I go away ?

7) I am facing court case when will it be resolved ?

8) We are trying for children when will we get children ?

9) Why is there delay in getting child ?

10) I am facing maritial problems when will things settle down ?

11) When will I buy a house or car ?

12) When will I travel abroad ?

And like this there maybe others that I am overlooking. But mostly

people ask such questions.

All these questions have got to do with timing of events.

If you understand the technique on how to time events you can answer

all questions on timing. Krushnas Ashtakavarga System uses

Ashtakavarga in a full system and using that you can Time events

accurately.

As in reference to your question on not being able to access the web

frequently to read lessons and visit lists, you can download or take

a print out of the lessons. They are all numbered and formatted

nicely. They are in microsoft word format and from Donnas website

you can download them in pdf format and go through them.

Donna Quinns websits is

http://krushna.sageasita.com/

I hope this helps.

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

vedic astrology, ramesh mishra

<aarceemastro2002> wrote:

> Dear Ash Ji,

> Thank you very much for directing me to Krushnas Astakvarga System.

I became one of the member of this group. I think ,I may learn a lot

taking help of this system.

> Please tell me , is there any differences between general

astakvarga system and Krushnas Astakvarga System ?

> I could not open the site of "sageasita.com"as suggested by you.

> Thanks once again.We may meet in future. Actually I do not get

enough time to be online.This is the reason I am always missing you

people.Regards.

September 29, 2004

Dear Ash

Thanks for your time and detailed explanation.It was my mistake to

ask broadly on something, which can only be explained in detail.But

still you gave me an idea about various Samdharmi

possibilities,Strengths and overview of Transits.I have roughly

browsed through the notebooks and lessons.It makes me feel that one

needs dedication and hardwork to master those.I think this system

(Ashtakavarga in general) provides an unique method for assessing

the strength of planets.Usage of 4/10 Samadharmi position along with

AV,is a good example.Parashara has pointed out the great role of

mutual yogakarakas.Thus i think this system is kind of a short

cut.Also as you have said any planet can deliver only on the basis

of its overall

strength,though strong w.r to a particular aspect. Thus i think if

one wants to predict consistently without astakavarga , vast

experience/mastery in vedic astrology is a must.I am a beginner even

with respect to other astrological fundamentals and hence cannot

comment more.

In one of the pages it has been mentioned that Rashi and Navamsha

has equal strength.What should one understand from this?From your

mail i have understood that,the system takes into account of rashi

and navamsha positions together and then apply multiplication

factors.But multiplication factor is giving more weightage to Rashi

positions?Is there any reason for this?. Does this mean debilitation

in navamsha is only harming a particular strength of the planet?

In another place it is mentioned that planets in the same navamsha

are samadharmis ,but this is the lowest level.This is an interesting

point.My understanding is,though they are in same navamsha

tattwas ,they will not be ' together ', unless they are together in

Rashi as well, and hence the above statement and low weightage.Am

right?

I have found that your system considers Rashi and Navamsha analysis

together.This is interesting.Thus for other vargas as well,shouldnt

be the case similar?Your system attributing lowest importance among

samadharmis,for planets in same navamsha has a big meaning.Thus i

think SAV analysis of Divisional positions is not reaching my

understanding.Because as per my understanding divisional positions

taken in isolation and considered together cannot have a meaning of

its own.

If that was the case,in the same navamsha samadharmi example ,when 2

planets are together,weightage should had been high.Anyways the last

paragraph is only regarding something which i find very difficult to

understand,and it is a general doubt.While ashtakavarga analyses the

relative positional strength from eight angles across the jataka,

ShadVarga is analysing six fold strength of a planet or lagna within

a 30 degree sign.May be i have to learn and look for more to find a

clue.

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "ashsam73" <ashsam73>

wrote:

> Dear Pradeep,

> Please just call me Ash.

>

> My answers in CAPS.

>

> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > Dear Ash ji & Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > This debate on Astakavarga and its importance during chart

analysis

> > is becoming really educative.

>

> ASH : I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE LEARNING FROM CHANDRASHEKHAR AND MY

> DISCUSSION.

>

> I was scared to ask any questions due

> > to my ignorance. But i think i may ask couple of questions of

> broad

> > nature.

>

> ASH : WHY ARE U SCARED OF ASKING ANY QUESTION ? IT IS AN HONOUR

FOR

> ANYONE WHO WANTS TO LEARN THIS SCIENCE OF LIGHT AND HELP PEOPLE IN

> NEED. I HAVE SEEN SUCH NICE POSTS FROM YOU IN THE PAST. PLEASE

FEEL

> FREE TO ASK. I SHALL TRY TO ANSWER EACH POINT IN THE LIMITED TIME

> AND RESOUCES I HAVE.

>

> >

> > Ash ji, I am glad that your system considers the Vargas as an

> > inherent division within the Rashi,and it should be like that as

>

> per my humble understanding of Parashara.This gives me confidence

and

> > trust.Now you have said jupiter within the second navamsha,in

> cancer

> > is samadharmi to Sun.

>

> ASH : BEFORE WE DWELVE ANY FURTHER PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE

> FOLLOWING.

>

> 1) ASHTAKAVARGA IS TAUGHT BY MAHARISHI PARASARA AND VARHARAMIRA

AND

> MOSTLY ALL BOOKS HAVE REFERENCE AND SHOLKES ON ASHTAKAVARGA. BUT

IN

> NO BOOK A SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING ASHTAKAVARGA IS GIVEN.

>

> 2) ASHTAKAVARGA IS A TOOL GIVEN AND IS USED IN ALL VARGAS. ITS

> APPLICABLE IN ALL D-CHARTS. EXPLORE THE FEATURES GIVEN IN JHL AND

> YOU CAN SEE THAT ITS PROGRAMMED TO GIVE SAV FOR ALL D-CHARTS.

>

> 3) ASHTAKAVARGA WHEN USED IN A FULL SYSTEM IS USED VERY

EFFECTIVELY

> TO TIME ALL EVENTS. ITS USE IS NOT LIMITED TO TRANSITS AND TIMING

> LONGEVITY.

>

> 4) WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM ALL FACTORS ARE

> CONSIDERED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. ASHTAKAVARGA IF YOU GO DEEPER

AND

> TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE THEORY BEHIND KAS YOU WILL BEGIN TO

UNDERSTAND

> WHAT I AM SAYING. I MYSELF HAVE SPEND SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO

> UNDERSTAND THE DEEP THEORY BEHIND KAS AND AM TRUELY AMAZED. IT

DID

> NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT BUT IT TOOK TIME AND DEDICATION AND I STILL

HAVE

> MUCH TO LEARN.

>

> OK. NOW THAT THIS IS CLARIFIED I SHALL PROCEED TO ANSWER YOUR

> QUESTIONS.

>

> >

> > As per my understanding ,any transiting planet will trigger the

> > planets placed in a house ,their lords and also the lord of the

> > transiting house.Thus when a planet transits say 3deg 20 to 6

deg

> > 40, (as you have mentioned) in Cancer,it is also transiting

> navamsha

> > of sun, w.r to that Rashi.Thus this transit will trigger Sun and

> > also Jupiter,as jupiter is placed within that navamsha.Also this

is

> > an intense transit as far as the planet is concerned (exact

> > navamsha).

> >

> > Is this the basis for Samadharmi?

>

> ASH : OK. TRANSITS IS A VERY DETAILED TOPIC. IN SHORT I WILL

TELL U

> SOMETHING. YOU CAN STUDY HOW ONE WILL FEEL IN A DAY BY USING

SAV.

> THERE IS A FULL LESSON JUST EXPLAINING THIS. SO THAT COVERES ONE

> PORTION OF TRANSITS. THE SECOND PORTION OF TRANSITS IS STUDYING

> INDIVIDUAL TRANSITS. EACH TRANSIT MEANS DIFFERENT THNINGS BASED

ON

> KALPURUSH CHART AND THE NATAL CHART. TRANSIT OF SUN IS MOST

> IMPORTANT TO TIME EVENTS. SUN IS BOSS OF ALL PLANETS. TRANSIT OF

> SHANI AND GURU IS VERY IMPORTANT TO STUDY FINANCES. BEFORE YOU

GET

> INTO TRANSITS ONE MUST KNOW CLEARLY THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANETS

FOR

> EACH AND EVERY HOUSE. THE POWER OF EACH PLANET.

> PRADEEP I AM FINDING IT HARD TO COMPRESS 35 LESSONS INTO 1 EMAIL.

> TRANSITS IS A VERY LOADED TOPIC. I SHALL GIVE U REFERENCES BUT I

> SUGGEST YOU STUDY ONE THING AT A TIME AND NOT CONFUSE MANY THINGS.

>

> RELATION BETWEEN RASHI AND NAVAMSA IS MOST IMPORTANT. AGAIN THERE

> ARE LESSONS ON THIS ALSO. THIS IS CO-TIED AND CO-RELATED WITH

> SAMDHARMI CONCEPT.

>

> WHAT IS SAMDHARMI YOU ASK ? ITS AGAIN A LOADED TOPIC. IN SHORT

WHEN

> PLANETS ARE IN 4:10 AND UNDER CERTAIN CONDITION I.E. PLANET IN

10TH

> MUST HAVE LESS POINTS I.E. < 4 BINDUS AND PLANET IN 4THF ROM IT

MUST

> HAVE MORE THAN 4 POINTS IN THAT CASE THE 2 PLANETS BECOME POWEFUL

> SAMDHARMIS. PLANETS IN THE SAME SIGN BECOME SAMDHARMI. WHEN SAY

> GURU IS BETWEEN 3DEG20 TO 6DEG20 IN CANCER THEN THIS GURU WILL

BECOME

> SAMDHARMI TO SUN AS IT WILL FALL IN NAVAMSA OF SUN. SO AS YOU SAY

> NAVAMSA DEPOSITER IS CONSIDERED. RAHU AND KETU ARE SAMDHARMI TO

SIGN

> AND NAKSHATRA LORDS.

> NATURAL SAMDHARMIS ARE VENUS AND SHANI. MOON AND MARS AND SUN AND

> MARS. IF YOU STUDY KEENLY VENUS AND SHANI ARE YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH

> OTHERS HOUSES. ALSO IF YOU STUDY MORE CLOSELY THAT VENUS AND

SHANI

> ARE IN 5:9 AND 4:10 RELATION BETWEEN HOUSES OWNED BY THE PLANET

SAME

> FOR MOON AND MARS AND SUN AND MARS. THEY ARE ALSO YOGAKARAKS.

>

> SO LIKE THIS PLANETS CAN BECOME SAMDHAMIRS. FOR THAT THERE ARE 2

> LESSONS DEDICATED TO EXPALIN THIS CONCEPT.

>

> IF A PLANET IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS DUE TO ITS ASPECT ON A

HOUSE

> THEN ITS SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN AND DELIVER IT. LIKE THIS THERE

ARE

> SOME RULES.

>

> GURU IS SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. GURU ALWAYS

ASPECTS

> 5TH HOUSE AND 5TH HOSUE IS PRIMARY SIGNFIFICATOR OF THE HOUSE SO

ITS

> GENERALLY SAID TO BE SPOILT AS ITSELF CANT GIVE RESULT. SOME

> SAMDHARNMI WILL GIVE IT. SIMILARLY IN VEDIC TEXTS ITS GIVEN THAT

> MARS SPOILS THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND SIMILAR LOGIC AS MARS

ASPECTS

> 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AGAIN TAHT IS A PRIMARY

> SIGNIFICCATOR HOUSE SO ITSELF CANT GIVE RESULTS GENERALLY SO ITS

> SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN.

>

> LESSON 8 AND 25 ARE DEDICATED TO TEACHING THE CONCEPT OF

SAMDHARMIS.

> FOR THOSE TO WHO THIS TERM MIGHT BE ALIEN, THIS CONCEPT COVERS SO

> MANY THINGS WHICH IS LIKE YOGAKARAK, PLANEST PLACED IN SAME SIGN,

> 4:10 OR I AM NOT SURE BUT IT MAYBE CALLED PARASPARAK OR MUTUAL CO-

> WORKERS, NAVAMSA DEPOSITER, RAHU/KETU, PLANETS IN SAME NAKSHATRRA,

> PLANETS PLACED IN SAME NAVAMSA SO IT MAY COVER THINGS LIKE SAY IF

2

> PLANETS ARE PLACED IN NAV-PANCHAM AND IN EXACT THEN THEY BECOME

> SAMDHARMI AS THEY WILL COME IN SAME SIGN IN NAVAMSA. LIKE THAT SO

> MANY THINGS ARE COVERED. PLEASE READ THE LESSONS AND FOR A

LEARNED

> PERSON LIKE YOU, YOU CAN EASILY UNDERSAND IT.

>

> >

> > And i understand ,which planets transit ? will deliver such

results

> > has to be understood based on the values and the chart as a

> > whole.Here the planets role,SAV and the individual points w.r to

> > bhavas have a role to play.Am i right?.I am yet to learn the

basics

> > behind these.

> >

>

> ASH : WHEN YOU READ THE LESSONS YOU WILL UNDERSERSTAND THAT THE

KEY

> TO TIMING OF EVENTS LIES IN UPCHAYA HOUSES. BAV-SAV-WORKSHEET

> CONSIDER SO MANY FACTORS AND FROM THAT WE GET THE STRENGTH OF

PLANETS

> FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE IN NUMERICAL FORMAT.

> ONCE U KNOW THE STRENGTH OF THE PLANET THEN LIFE UNFOLDS AS PER

> VIMSHOTTARI DASHSA STARTING FROM MOON. THIS YOU CAN STUDY AS YOU

> WILL HAVE THE WORKSHEET WITH YOU AND IN ANY ANTRA YOU CAN EASILY

SEE

> HOW A PLANET WHOS ANTRA IS RUNNING WILL ACT FOR ALL 12 HOUSES.

>

> IF YOU READ THE LESSONS IT WIL BECOME MORE EASY FOR ME TO EXPLAIN

> THINGS AS YOU WILL HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OTHERWISE WHAT I AM

SAYING

> WILL SOUND GREEK AND LATIN. ON KAS LIST THERE ARE SO MANY CHARTS

> SOLVED AND IT CAN ALSO GIVE ONE AN UNDERSTANDING ON THE SYSTEM AND

> USE OF ASHTAKAVARG.

>

> > Now one question,similar to what Chandrashekhar ji has asked -

Does

> > this system account for the navamsha rashi relation ,while

deriving

> > strengths?

>

> ASH : WHEN YOU READ LESSONS 8 AND 25 THIS QUESTION WILL GET

> RESOLVED. YES ALL RELATIONS ARE CONSIDERED. WHEN YOU FIND

SAMDHARMI

> ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED.

>

> For example if Jupiter is within capricorn navamsha,while

> > arriving at strength of jupiter is this point considered?Does

any

> > Ashtakavarga system take into account varga positions while

> arriving

> > at strength?

>

> ASH : ASHTAKAVARGA GIVES STRENGTH OF PLANETS AND WORKSHEET WHICH

IS

> DERIVED FROM SAV GIVES COMBINED EFFECT. FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR

ALL

> 12 HOUSES IN NUMERICAL FORMAT. WHEN GURU GOES IUN NAVAMSA OF

SHANI

> IT BECOMES SAMDHARMI TO SHANI. IF GURU IS IN SAY FIRST 3DEG20 TO

> 6DEG40 IN CAPRICORN THEN ITS SAMDHARMI TO GURU AND THE

MULTIPLICATION

> FACTOR IS 0.8. THIS PART IS LESSON 27. IF GURU WERE TO BE IN

CANCER

> AND BETWEEN 2O AND 23DEG20 THEN IT WILL STILL BE SAMDHARMI TO

SHANI

> AS IT WILL BE IN NEECHA STHAN OR IN CAPRICORN IN NAVAMSA BUT IN

RASHI

> ITS IN CANCER SO THE MULTIPLICATOIN FACTOR WILL BE 1.4.

> ASHTAKAVARGA ITSELF IS A SYSTEM TO FIND THE STRENGH OF PLANET.

ONCE

> U STUDY WHAT THE FINAL WORKSHEET MEANS THIS QUESTION ON TRYING TO

> FIND STRENTH USING SIGN PLACMENT WILL NOT BE NEEDED AS

ASHTAKAVARGA

> TOOL IS USED TO FIND THE STRENGTH. WITH ASHTAKAVARGA ONE STUDIES

> EACH PLANET STRENGTH FROM WITH RESPECT TO LAGNA AND 7 PLANEST.

> SAY GURU IS IN CANCER AND LAGNA IS CANCER SO FROM LAGNA GURU IS IN

> 1ST, BUT SAY SUN IS IN 8TH THEN FROM SUN THIS GURU IN CANCER WILL

BE

> IN 6TH HOUSE. JU AND MO IN 6:8 RELATION IS ? THEN SAY IF SHANI IS

IN

> 12TH HOUSE THEN GURU AND SHANI ARE IN 2:12 IS THIS GOOD OR NOT

> DESPITE GURU BEING IN UNCHA STHAN. NOW WHEN U STUDY THE SAME FROM

> ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ALL THESE ARE CONSIDERD WHEN THE BAV TO

SAV

> IS CAST. ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED INDIRECTLY. THIS GIVES THE

> STRENGTH OF PLANEST WHICH IS USED TO TIME EVENTS. YOU CAN THEN

ADD

> THE LAYER OF SIGN PLACMENT WHICH IS GIVEN IN LESSON 27 BUT THIS IS

> NOT NEEDED TO TIME EVNETS. SIGN PLACMENT GIVES US THE BACKING THE

> PLANET HAS FROM THE SIGN. IF GURU IS CANCER THEN THERE THE

> MULTIPLICATON FACTOR IS 1.4 SO IT MEANS THAT GURU HAS 140% BACKING

> FROM SIGN. SO IF GURU IS SAY IN 4TH HOUSE FOR SAY ARIES LAGNA AND

> ITS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS THEN IT WILL BE VERY VERY EAGER TO GIVE

> MARRIAGE. NOW IF THE DELAY PERIOD IS OVER AND IF GURUS ANTRA

COMES

> THEN MARRIAGE WILL HAPPEN.

> SAY IF GURU IS IN CAPRICORN AND AQUARIUS IS LAGNA. THEN THIS GURU

IS

> IN 12TH HOSUE AND IF SUCH A GURU IS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS AND ANTRA OF

> GURU COMES THEN THIS GURU WILL BECOME VERY EAGER TO GIVE MARRIAGE

> DESPITE BEING IN CAPROCORN.

> NOW GURU IS IN CAPROCORN SO THE RESULTS WILL BE FELT WITH A

> MULTIPLICAON FACTOR OF 0.8.

> I DONT KNOW IF ALL THIS MAKES SENSE TO YOU BUT IF U GO THROUGH THE

> LESSONS ALL THIS WILL MAKE SENSE TO YOU AS U WILL HAVE SOME

> CONTINUITY.

>

> Or does it mean, strength of a planet vis-a-vis

> > temporal/natural relationships has to be understood/evaluated

> > outside the relams of ashtakavarga, and then ashtakavarga

> principles

> > have to applied on top.

> >

>

> ASH : WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A SYSTEM I.E. KRUSHNAS

ASHTAKAVARGA

> SYSTEM THEN ONE SHOULD USE FULL SYSTEM. THE SYSTEM USES GRAHA

> DRISTI, ALL VARGAS, ASHTAKAVARGA AND ALL THE THINGS THAT U CALL

VEDIC

> ASTROLOGY. BUT THERE ARE SOME RULES THAT ONE MUST UNDERSTAND AND

> THEORY OF KAS AND HOW UPCHAYA HOUSES IS USED TO TIME EVENTS.

>

> > Kindly explain.

> >

>

> ASH : I HAVE TRIED MY BEST TO EXPLAIN. THERE ARE 35 LESSONS AND

YOU

> HAVE ASKED ME UNKNOWINGLY TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS TO YOU IN 1 MAIL

LOL...

> I HAVE TRIED. JUST KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND READ THE LESSONS.

>

> THE LESSONS ARE FOUND IN THE FILE SECTION IN

>

> /

>

> PLEASE READ THEM AND I AM SURE YOU WILL UNDERTAND IT AND WILL BE

ABLE

> TO TIME EVENTS VERY NICELY. IF NOT IT WILL STILL IN THE LEAST

SHOW

> YOU AND REMOVE THIS MISCONCEPTION THAT ASHTAKAVARGA CAN BE USED

FOR

> TRANSITS AND TIMING LONGEVITY ONLY.

>

> I HOPE THIS MAIL HELPS.

>

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, Ash <ashsam73>

wrote:

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > There is no contradiction. Maybe in your confused state you

are

> > making such assumptions.

> > >

> > > Firstly as you are very well aware that the chart must be

looked

> > as a whole. For that you consider all parameters and for that

you

> > have the entire worksheet. That gives the total strength which

I

> > have given for Sa = 10 and Ju = 11. Individual points of Sa = 1

> and

> > Ju = 5. These points are obtained in the SAV by Ju and Sa.

> > Worksheet is derived from SAV. This part I do not think you

will

> > understand unless you study the method that is used to derive

the

> > entire worksheet. This part is not given in any book and that

is

> > what I mention so it will be beyond your comphrehension for

now. I

> > have given the website of Krushnaji and you can download the

> > worksheet and study it and let me know.

> > >

> > > Now You have talked of logic of Sa = 1 and Ju = 5 but what

about

> > aspects ? What about 6th lord, What about aspects on Sa and Ju,

> > what about if Sa and Ju rule any upchaya houses and the special

> > consideratoins ?

> > >

> > > Have u just seen one points and came to conclusion that Ju is

> > stronger than Sa ?

> > >

> > > If so then its the system that you use is causing all

confusion

> > and that 2 people using same technique of finding out strength

are

> > coming to different conclusions ?

> > >

> > > The strength given in the final worksheet will determin how

the

> > planets will deliver their results for all houses.

> > >

> > > If Guru is in say 3deg20 to 6deg40 in cancer it will become

> > samdharmi to Sun in navamsa. So such a guru can step in for Sun

if

> > sun is unable to deliver the results.

> > >

> > > I agree with you. The system you are using to find strength

> there

> > is no consistency. Someone studies the same chart and will say

> that

> > Ju is stronger than Sa and someone else will Say that Sa is

> stronger

> > than Ju. There is too many contradiction that exist in the

system

> > you study.

> > >

> > > Ashtakvarga has removed all these contradiction as the each

> planet

> > is studied from 8 different angles.

> > >

> > > In the end I will say that its Parasara who said that

> Ashtakavarga

> > is to be used by us people in Kali Yuga.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > > Dear Ash,

> > > I am now more confused than ever. You said " AS PER KAS ITS

> BETTER

> > TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN THEIR NEECHA STHAN AS 3

> > PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET IS WEAK FOR 1

HOUSE

> > THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3 OTHER HOUSES

STRONG

> > AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM STRONG. SO

OVERALL

> > ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND BECOME MORE THAN

> 12.".

> > So by this logic would not Saturn who has only one point be

> stronger

> > than Jupiter who has 4 points?

> > > If you are using Vimshottary Dashas as you stated, then to the

> > best of my understanding Planets who are Neecha give more of

their

> > malefic nature results than had they been in Uccha. Is a

different

> > Vimshottary dasha system being used here? Again you say that

> > strength of Navamsha and Rasi are equal in your system. Vedic

> > Jyotish tells us that Navamsha strength overrules Rasi strength.

> For

> > example a planet exalted in Rasi but debilitated in Navamsha can

> > only give results as if debilitated and one debilitated in Rasi

if

> > exalted in Navamsha shall give results as if exalted. Since the

> > system is totally different from what is known as Vedic Jyotish

in

> > the parameters used, I do not think we can agree to the way we

look

> > at the strengths of planets. There are many such contradictions

and

> > I am only pointing out two of them as illustrations.

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Ash wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > My answers in CAPS.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > > I did not use Ashtakavarga to indicate timing of events at all

> but

> > only to illustrate a point from a different angle. My intention

was

> > to illustrate that Jupiter's position has not strengthened the

> Bhava

> > under consideration. If I remember right even that was in

response

> > to somebody's response mentioning Ashtakavarga Points.

> > >

> > > ASH : I AM ALSO ILLUSTRATING THE POINTS BUT FROM THE VIEW

POINT

> OF

> > ASHTAKVARGA OR ONE CAN SAY THAT I AM USING THE TOOL OF

ASHTAKVARGA

> > TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. IF YOU SAY THAT BASED ON

THE

> > RELATIVE POSITIONING OF GURU AND SHANI YOU HAVE COMPARED THE

> > STRENGTH OF BOTH AND THE END RESULT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT GURU

IS

> > WEAKER THAN SHANI THEN FROM THE ASHTAKVARGA VIEW POINT ITS NOT

> > MATCHING. SINCE ASHTAKVARGA IS CONSIDERING ALL PLANETS WITH

> RESPECT

> > TO EACH OTHER AND ALSO FROM LAGNA USING ASHTAVARGA AS A TOOL I

DO

> > NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. SAV TAKES CARE OF THAT FROM ALL 8

> > ANGLES.

> > >

> > > I fail to understand how strength is on the one hand

calculated

> on

> > placement of bindus are considered to be the final strengths and

in

> > the same breath said to be arrived at based on a system which

takes

> > into consideration Navamsha strengths. Again how can a system

that

> > considers Navamsha strength for only a specific purpose like

> delays

> > be said to apply all the principles of Vedic astrology?

> > >

> > > ASH : THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM. THE

> > FINAL STRENGTH IS DERIVED FROM SAV AS THE BASE. THE WHOLE

SYSTEM

> OF

> > TIMING IS USING UPCHAYA HOUSES, ASPECTS ON PLANET AND PRIMARY

> > SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE, 4:10 RELATIONSHIPS, WE DO NOT CONSIDER

BENEFIC

> > ASPECT OF 6TH LORD OR 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND SPECIAL

> > CONSIDERATION TO 10TH LORD FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO 6TH

FROM

> > HOUSE UNDER FOCUS (IN SHORT UPCAHYA HOUSES). THIS IS ALL DONE

TO

> > THE SAV POINTS. SO THE FINAL POINTS THAT ONE GETS AND JUST TO

> > CLARIFY WHICH IS THE WORKSHEET THAT I HAD REPRODUCED ON ALL THE

> > STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE WHERE YOU CAN

SEE

> > THE STRENGTH AT A GLANCE IS FINALLY ARRIVED AT. THAT IS THE

FINAL

> > STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. BASED ON THIS STRENGTH YOU CAN USE IT

> ALONG

> > WITH VIMSHOTTARI DASHA STARTING FROM MOON ONLY WILL GIVE HOW THE

> > ANTRA WILL DELIVER RESULTS FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT YOU CAN SEE

AT

> A

> > GLANCE. I BELEIVE YOU ALSO AGREE THAT THE ANY ANTRA WORKS FOR

ALL

> > 12 HOUSES

> > > AT THE SAME TIME MAYBE GIVING GOOD RESAULT FOR SOME HOUSES

AND

> > MAYBE MALEFIC FOR SOME OTHER.

> > >

> > > THIS WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO HONE INTO WHEN I ASKED YOU

FOR

> > WHICH HOUSE IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR ? FOR 7TH HOUSE

ALSO

> > BOTH HAVE LESS THAN 12 POINTS SO BOTH ARE NOT CONDUSIVE TO 12TH

> > HOSUE MATTERS HOWEVER IF U COMPARE BOTH GURU IS STRONGER THAN

SHANI

> > FOR 7TH HOSUE MATTERS. FOR 10TH HOUSE MATTERS GURU IS FAR

STRONGER

> > THAN SHANI. I WILL REVERT TO THE POINTS MISCONCEPTION BELOW.

> > >

> > > Is the confusion on account of trying to analyze timing of

events

> > vis-a-vis the strengths of Bhavas and the Grahas? Or is it due

to

> my

> > inability to convey my meaning or understanding yours?

> > >

> > > ASH : HOW WOULD YOU TIME ANY EVENT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE

> > STRENGTH. AS PER MY UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE USING ANY SYSTEM TRY

TO

> > FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. YOU CAN STUDY IT FROM SHAD

> BAL,

> > YOU CAN STUDY IF ITS ATMAKARAK OR DARAKARAK ETC ETC THEN STUDY

ITS

> > AVASTHA ETC ETC THE YOGS ITS MAKING, IF ITS YOGAKARAKA, OR

MAKING

> > ANY MAHAYOGA ETC, STUDY IT FROM SUN/MOON/LAGNA/HL/GL/BL/AK/AL

ETC

> > ETC.. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT SOME HOW OR THE OTHER ONE

> > PERSON WHO IS STUDYING THE CHART IS TRYING TO GAUGE IF THIS

PLANETS

> > STRENGTH TO SEE IF THE PLANET WILL DELIVER THE RESULT. SOME

CALL

> IT

> > FRUTIFICATION OF YOGAS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY ONE PERSON IS

> > TRYING TO GAUGE BY FINDING OUT THE BAL IF THE PLANET WILL GIVE

THE

> > RESULT. THAT IS WHAT I CALL TIMING. PERSON ASK WHEN WILL MY

DEBT

> > GET OVER ? WHEN WILL I MARRY ? WHEN WILL I HAVE CHILDREN ? WHEN

> > WILL MY HEALTH CRISIS GET OVER ? AND SO MANY SUCH QUESTIONS ARE

> > POSED. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR TIMING OF EVENTS.

> > >

> > > WITH KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM I AM FINDING OUT THE

STRENGTH

> > USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM. WHEN I SAY A SYSTEM I MEAN

I

> > AM USING VIMSHOTTARI DASHA, UPCHAYA HOUSES, SAV, BAV, PAV,

> TRANSITS,

> > CERTAIN SPECIAL LAWS LIKE GURU IN LIBRA, VENUS IN KRITTIKA,

AADRA,

> > MOOLA, JAYESHTA, SUN TO VENUS DISTANCE, SOME RULES ON SAV AND

THEN

> > FINALLY I GO THROUGH A TEDIOUS PROCESS OF CASTING THE WORKSHEET

> > WHICH I HAD DISPLAYED WHICH USES SAV AS THE BASE AND FROM THAT

THE

> > THINGS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED SUCH AS 4:10 REPLATIONSHIPS,

ASPECTS

> > ON PLANETS, ASPECTS ON PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES, BENEFIC

ASPECT

> > ADJUSTMENT FOR 6TH LORD AND 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO

> > PLANETS IN UPCHAYA'S WITH > 4 BINDUS ETC. AFTER THAT I COME TO

THE

> > FINAL STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. AS PER KAS NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL

STATUS

> > AS COMPARED TO RASI. THEN WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF FINDING

> > SAMDHARMI. WHAT YOU WOULD CALL, NAVAMSA DEPOISTER, NATURAL

> > SAMDHARMIS I.E. VENUS AND SHANI , MOON AND MARS, SUN AND MARS.

I

> > BELEIVE

> > > THESE ARE CALLED YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH OTHERS CHART. 4:10 IS

THE

> > MOST POWEFUL SAMDHARMI WHERE IF PLANET IN 10TH HAS < 4 BINDUS

AND

> > PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT HAS > 4 BINDUS. LIKE THIS ITS A WHOLE

> > SYSTEM. EACH AND EVERY FACTOR IS CONSIDERED.

> > >

> > > THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS NOT EXISITING IN PHALDIPIKA, BPHS, TEXTS

BY

> > VARHARMIRA OR ANY OTHER SCHOLAR DESPITE ALL TEXTS MENTIONING

> > VERSES. EVEN SOME VERSES ARE MISSING THAT WAS GIVEN BY

KRUSHNAJI

> IN

> > HIS WRITEUP.

> > >

> > > WHAT YOU HAD SAID THAT ASHTAKVARGA DOES NOT CONSIDER SIGN

> > PLACEMENT IS ALSO A PART OF THE ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM. HOWEVER WE

DO

> > NOT NEED IT TO TIME EVENTS. WE USE WHATS CALLED THE

MULTIPLICATION

> > FACTOR TABLE FOR EXAMPLE MERCURY IN VIRGO HAS MULTIPLCAITON

FACFTOR

> > OF 1.4 AND SO DOES GURU IN CANCER. SUCH THINGS GIVE US FURTHER

> > CLARITY ON HOW THE RESULT WILL "FEEL" BUT IS NOT NEEDED TO TIME

> > EVENT.

> > >

> > > THIS IS WHAT I CALL A FULL SYSTEM AND I KEEP SAYING THAT SO

MUCH

> > OF ALL THIS IS GONE / VANISHED FROM THE ANTIENT TEXTS. I HOPE

NOW

> U

> > WILL UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BY WHATS AVAILABLE ON ASHTAKAVARGA IS

A

> > FRACTION AND ITS USE AS A SYSTEM IS NOT THERE AT ALL IN ANY

TEXTS

> > FOR TIMING OF EVENTS.

> > >

> > > THIS IS WHAT I KEPT SAYING THAT THIS SYSTEM MUST HAVE EXISTED

IN

> > ANTIENT TEXTS WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH

WAS

> > TAUGHT BY HIS GURU AND WAS KEPT IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE.

> > >

> > > You are perhaps talking about Prastarashtakvarga when you say

> BAV,

> > since in BAV I do not think a planet's BAV can get 10 or 11

bindus

> > in that you mention in any Bhava. The maximum that might be

> > received would be around 7. Use of prastarashtkavarga is for

> > movement of transit planet in that planet's kakshya and the

number

> > of bindus received from the planet makes him a bindu pradata.

> > >

> > > ASH : NO I AM NOT TALKING OF PRASTARASHTAKAVARGA. I DID

ALLUDE

> TO

> > THAT IN MY MAIL TO LAKSHMI. WHEN I TOLD HER THAT ONLY VENUS WAS

> > GIVING HIS FAVOURABLE VOTE TO SHANI OR SHANI WAS MAKING A

> FAVOURABLE

> > WITH VENUS. SIMILARLY I WENT INTO FURHER DETAIL TO EXPLAIN THAT

> > GURU GETS 5 BINDUS AND WHICH OF THE 5 PLANET/LAGNA WAS

SUPPORTING.

> > I WAS NOT MEANING TO GO INTO THIS MUCH DETAIL BUT SUCH THINGS

ARE

> > USED TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL. THE 10 AND 11 BINDUS IS THE

TOTAL

> > POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET AS THE FINAL STRENGH OF THE PLANET WHICH

IS

> > CALCUALTED AS I HAVE MENTIONED ABOVE I.E KEEPING SAV AS THE BASE

> AND

> > THEN USING THE ASPECTS, 6TH LORDS, ASPECT ON PALNET ETC ETC.

THE

> > FINAL STRENGTH AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS TEDIOUS PROCESS WERE THE

> > POINTS I HAVE WRITTEN. THIS IS THE FINAL STRENGTH OF ALL 7

PLANETS

> > FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THE FINAL STRENGTHS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES

AND

> > ANYTHING LESS THAN 12 MEANS MALEFIC AND GREATER THAN 12 MEANS

> > BENEFIC. 12 IS NEUTRAL. IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSAND THE ENTIRE

> > > PROCESS IN WHICH I CAME TO THE 11 AND 10 POINTS FOR GURU AND

> > SHANI FOR 7TH HOUSE I WILL REVERT IN A SEPERATE MAIL OR WILL

REFER

> > YOU TO THE APPROPRIATE TEXTS.

> > >

> > > I did not want to get into an argument where two different

> systems

> > are being used.

> > >

> > > ASH : I AM NOT ARGUING I AM DISCUSSING. I AM TAKING YOUR EACH

> > POINT AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN MY VIEW POINT. SO PLEASE DO NOT

> > CONSIDER THIS AS AN ARGUMENT AT ALL. I HOPE OTHERS WHO ARE

READING

> > WILL ALSO LEARN FROM THIS AND THE EFFORT.

> > >

> > > However if you want to consider strengths on the basis of

number

> > of Bindus given by a Planet then would it not be relevant that

> > Jupiter can get 56 Bindus whereas Saturn only 39 ?

> > >

> > > ASH : GURU IS A BENEFIC WHY ? WHY IS SHANI CALLED A MALEFIC ?

IF

> > YOU STUDY IT FROM ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ITS ALL IN NUMERICAL

> > VALUE. GURU HAS BEEN ALLOCATED 56 BINDUS AND SHANI AND MARS

HAVE

> > BEEN ALLOCATED 39 BINDUS ONLY. IT MEANS THAT GURU CAN MAKE MORE

> > FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI AND MARS. SO WE CAN SAY

GURU

> > IS BENEFIC AS 7 PLANETS AND LAGANAS WILL DISTRIBUTE 56 POINTS SO

> > MORE CHANCES OF GURU TO MAKE FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO

SHANI

> > AND MARS. EACH AND EVERYTHING HAS MEANING. SUN HAS 48

POINTS.

> > MAX POINTS A HOUSE CAN RECEIVE IS 96 AND SUN RECEIVES 48 SO ITS

> > CALLED KRUR OR YOU CAN SAY ALSO ON BORDERLINE.

> > >

> > > Would this then mean that a debilitated Jupiter will be

stronger

> > than exalted Saturn in a hypothetical horoscope and still that

> would

> > be application of principles of Vedic Astrology? I would not

think

> > so.

> > >

> > > ASH : FOR TIMING OF EVENTS ITS IMMETERIAL WHERE GURU IS PLACED

IN

> > WHICH SIGN AND WHERE SHANI IS PLACED. HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE.

YOU

> > ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET USING SIGN

> PLACEMENT

> > AND AS PER ASHTAKVARGA I DONT NEED TO CONSIDER THAT FOR TIMING

OF

> > EVENT. YES SHANI BEING PLACED IN LIBRA HAS MULTIPLICATION

FACTOR

> OF

> > 1.4 AND GURU IN CAPRICORN HAS MULTIPLCATION FACTOR OF 0.8. BUT

> > AGAIN TO TIME AN EVENT I AM EMPHASISING THAT YOU DO NOT NEED THE

> > SIGN PLACEMENT BUT INSTEAD YOU NEED THE FINAL POINTS IN THE

> > WORKSHEET. THAT IS ENOUGH TO TIME THE EVENT.

> > >

> > > MAYBE YOU HAVE NOT COME ACROSS A SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT USE THE

> SAME

> > PRINCIPLES TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET THE WAY YOU USE IT.

SO

> > YOU MAY FIND THIS DIFFERENT OR I CAN EVEN SAY SHOCKING. YOU DO

NOT

> > NEED THE SIGN PLACEMENT TO JUDGE THE STRENGTH, ASHTAKAVARGA

> STRENGTH

> > IS WHATS NEEDED.

> > >

> > > PEOPLE USING SIGN PLACEMENTS MAY INVARIABLY COME TO DIFFERENT

> > CONCULUSIONS JUST AS IN THE CASE THAT YOU AND LAKSHAMI CAME TO.

> ONE

> > SAYS GURU IS STRONGER AND OTHER SAYS SHANI IS STRONGER. WITH

> > ASHTAKVARGA ITS ALL SHOWN BY NUMBERS AND THERE WILL NOT BE ANY

> > ANOMOLY. ALL WILL COME TO THE SAME CONCULUSION.

> > >

> > > EITHER I AM NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OR YOU

ARE

> > NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM SAYING.

> > >

> > > AS PER KAS ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN

> THEIR

> > NEECHA STHAN AS 3 PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A

PLANET

> IS

> > WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3

> > OTHER HOUSES STRONG AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE

THEM

> > STRONG. SO OVERALL ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP

AND

> > BECOME MORE THAN 12.

> > >

> > > IF PLANETS HAVE > 5 BINDUS THEN THE WILL SEND MALEFIC DRISTI.

> > GURU HAS 56 BINDUS AND GENERALLY IF U DIVIDED THAT BY 12 EACH

HOUSE

> > GETS APPROX 5 BINDUS. SO MOSTLY GURU HAS > 4 BINDUS IN CHART.

SO

> > SUCH GURU WILL MAKE 1 HOUSE STRONG HOWEVER IT WILL REDUCE 3

> HOUSES.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Ash wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > My answers in CAPS.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > > Even by your method of assessing strength from Rasi placement,

> > Saturn is stronger is it not?

> > >

> > > ASH : PLEASE REFER TO THE POST GIVEN BELOW. I HAD WRITTEN A

POST

> > JUST AFTER AND HAVE SAID THAT IT WAS A TYPO. GURU HAS 11 POINTS

> AND

> > SHANI HAS 10. YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE WORKSHEET I HAD GIVEN.

> > BOTH OF THEM ARE MALEFIC FOR 7TH HOUSE MATTERS. BOTH JU AND SA

ON

> > THEIR OWN CANNOT SAY GIVE MARRIAGE A 7TH HOUSE MATTER IN THEIR

> ANTAR.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology/message/44680

> > >

> > > The original thread had nothing to do with timing of events

which

> > you are reverting time and again.

> > >

> > > ASH : AGREED. BUT YOU DID USE ASHTAKVARG AND I AM GIVING MY

VIEW

> > POINT BASED ON ASHTAKAVARGA ON THE BAL OF GURU AND SHANI FOR 7TH

> > HOUSE AND NOT ONLY 7TH HOUSE BUT FOR ALL HOUSE. I HAVE ALSO

GONE

> > AHEAD AND MADE A PREDICTION ON MARRIAGE AND HOW GURU WILL ACT

AND

> > SHANI TOO AS A PART OF MY ANALYSIS. I BELEIVE THE PROOF OF THE

> > PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING THAT IS WHY I MADE A PREDICTION ON

> MARRIAGE

> > SO THAT ITS JUST NOT THEORY BUT ITS APPLICATION. NOW I DO NOT

KNOW

> > HOW MUCH OF WHAT I HAVE PREDICTED IS CORRECT OR WRONG. BUT IN

MY

> > OPINION THE WORKSHEET I HAVE GIVEN HAS CONSIDERED ALL FACTORS

THAT

> > IS NECESSARY AS A TOOL TO TIME EVENTS.

> > >

> > > Since, as I had said earlier, the method you are using is

based

> on

> > Ashtakavarga being used to derive strength of planets my

comments

> on

> > your arguments would not be fair.

> > >

> > > ASH : ANY WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT IT OR USING ANY TOOL GIVEN BY

THE

> > MAHARISHIS AS PER SO MANY TEXTS AND BY MANY AUTHORS THE END

RESULT

> > SHOULD COME OUT TO BE SAME.

> > >

> > > I have all along been illustrating what is the position per

Vedic

> > Astrology. I have already given the reasons why Saturn is with

> > strength.

> > >

> > > ASH : I HAVE ALSO USED VEDIC ASTROLOGY. ASHTAKVARGA IS A

> > WONDERFUL TOOL TO ASCERTAIN THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET WITHOUT ANY

> > DOUBTS. ITS FINAL RESULTS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND IS

CRYSTAL

> > CLEAR.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > THANKING YOU,

> > >

> > > CHEERS !!!

> > >

> > > ASH

> > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > So when you said Shani is stronger then Guru you had meant for

> 7th

> > > house only ? Is my understanding correct.

> > >

> > > As per the worksheet both Shani and Guru are weak for 7th

house

> > for

> > > Ramesh. Shani has 11 points and Guru has 10. As per the

> > worksheet

> > > any planet having less than 12 is weak for the house. 12 is

> > neutral

> > > and greater than 12 is benefic. Now if you were to get down

to

> > nitty

> > > gritty then I would say that Guru is stronger than Shani by 1

> > point.

> > >

> > > Guru is in namvasa of Aries and hence samdharmi to Mars and

mars

> > is

> > > not condusive to 7th house matters being 6th lord. Shani is

in

> > libra

> > > who is Lord of 12th house and primary upchaya for 7th house.

> > Venus

> > > and Shani are natural samdharmi.

> > >

> > > Both Sa and Ju are not condusive for timing of events for 7th

> > house.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > <boxdel>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > I was referring to your statement that verses not found in

any

> > > book.

> > > > The reason that this is not clear to you is perhaps we are

> > > wandering

> > > > from original thread. For example you are talking about Guru

> > being

> > > > stronger for 10th house where as if I remember right, the

> thread

> > > started

> > > > about Jupiter being strong for 7th house as per Lakshmi's

> > > assessment.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Ash wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > The fact still remains. The BAV scheme given by Parasara

is

> > > different

> > > > > from Varharamira. This is one point and this is factual.

> One

> > of

> > > them

> > > > > is corrupt. I am saying the scheme Parasara has given has

> > become

> > > > > corrupt over time. The scheme Varharmira has given has

been

> > > preserved

> > > > > in time. The two schemes cannot be different.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am not clear to which point you are alluding when you

say

> > that

> > > my

> > > > > information about Parasara and Varharmira is not factual.

> The

> > > BAV

> > > > > scheme given by Parasara is different from Varharamira.

This

> > was

> > > > > visible in Ramesh's chart when you said using parasarsa

BAV

> > > scheme

> > > > > when 7th bhava got 19 bindus and using Varharmiras BAV

scheme

> > it

> > > comes

> > > > > to 20. I am not going into other books. The point that I

am

> > > > > emphasising is that BAV scheme given by Parasara or

> Varharmira

> > or

> > > any

> > > > > other maharishi cannot be different.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ashtakvarga has been commented on by many maharishis as

you

> > have

> > > given

> > > > > but the system of timing of events using Ashtakavarga is

not

> > > given

> > > > > which I beleive was a part of Vedic Astrology was saved

with

> > some

> > > > > families and not known to the world.

> > > > >

> > > > > About the part with which the discussion started is what I

> > agree

> > > with

> > > > > you. There is a part of what Noname is also saying that I

> > agree

> > > with

> > > > > however I beleive that Guru spoils the house its placed in

> due

> > to

> > > its

> > > > > aspect on primary significator houses. By saying Spoilt I

> > mean

> > > it

> > > > > will not give the result in his antra. Also Guru is

> > generally

> > > with

> > > > > more than 5 bindus. Rarely its with < 4 bindus. The more

> > > powerful

> > > > > Guru is the more damage it will do by its aspect. For

Libra

> > > lagna and

> > > > > Cancer lagna Guru is 6th lord and will be very malefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the chart given by No Names grand father also he

commented

> > > that his

> > > > > grand father has Guru in lagna who is powerful and he took

> > > sansaya

> > > > > after early widohood. Again here a powerful guru is

showing

> > its

> > > > > malefic aspect on 7th house. Again guru in lagna made no

> > names

> > > father

> > > > > a famous and person as he was known for his knowledge on

> > > samaveda.

> > > > > Noname has not commented on the effect it had on 9th and

5th

> > > house but

> > > > > if his guru is very powerful. I am also not aware what

the

> > lagna

> > > is

> > > > > but this can be the sign of a powerful guru in lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > It is good that you at least agree that "GURU ALWAYS

> > ASPECTS

> > > 5TH

> > > > > HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND ITS A PRIMARY

> > > SIGNIFICATOR

> > > > > HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT GIVE RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS

> > PLACED IN

> > > > > GENERALLY."

> > > > > This is the point from which the original discussions

> > started.

> > > > >

> > > > > For your information much detailed interpretation of

> events

> > > > > (Beyond what is explained in BPHS,a although based on

the

> > > > > principles therein) by Ashtakavarga is available in

> > > Phaladeepika,

> > > > > Jataka Parijata, Jatakadesh Marg and umpteen other

> > > astrological

> > > > > texts. So your information about only Parashara and

> Varaha

> > > Mihira

> > > > > is not factual.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ash wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >> Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> My answers in CAPS.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Ash,

> > > > >> Ashtakavarga system is based on Bindus allotted

to

> > > particular

> > > > >> houses for each of the planet with respect to its

> > > position

> > > > >> from the planet whose Ashtakavarga is being drawn.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASH : YES AGREED.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The system you are using is based on considering

the

> > > > >> strengths of planets and the Bhavas too. This is

the

> > > system

> > > > >> generally referred as Parashari or more precisely

> > Hora

> > > system

> > > > >> which also encompasses the Ashtakavarga system.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASH : ASHTAKVARGA IS A PART AND PARCLE OF VEDIC

> > > ASTROLOGY AND

> > > > >> THAT IS WHAT I HAVE ALSO SAID. I HAVE SAID THAT

THE

> > > SYSTEM

> > > > >> TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT GIVEN IN TEXTS AVAILABLE

> > TODAY.

> > > REST

> > > > >> CLARIFICAITON BELOW.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Ashtakavarga is primarily used to find out

effects

> > from

> > > > >> Transit of planets and longevity as made clear in

> > > > >> conversat/i/on/ /between Maitreya and sage

Parashara

> > in

> > > BPHS.

> > > > >> Ashtakavarga system is clearly defined in that

text.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASH : THIS IS WHAT THE MISCONCEPTION IS. BASED

ON

> > THE

> > > TEXTS

> > > > >> AVAILABLE TODAY. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT

> ASHTAKVARG

> > IS

> > > USED

> > > > >> ONLY FOR FINDING OUT TRANSIT. IS THAT WHY

PARASARA

> > HAS

> > > SAID

> > > > >> THAT TO USE ASHTAKAVARGA FOR INTELLECUTAL PYGMIES

OF

> > > KALIYUGA

> > > > >> ? I DO NOT THINK SO SIR. THE SYSTEM OF

ASHTAKVARGA

> > IS

> > > VERY

> > > > >> DETAILED AND KAS AND VERSES OF ASHTAKAVARGA HAVE

> BEEN

> > > BROUGHT

> > > > >> FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH ARE NOT FOUND IN ANY

BOOK

> > > TODAY.

> > > > >> IF YOU CLAIM THAT BHPS IS COMPLETE AND THAT ALL

THAT

> > IS

> > > > >> AVAILABLE ABOUT ASHTAKVARGA IS FOUND AND CODED

AND

> > THERE

> > > IS

> > > > >> NO CORRUPTION THEN I WILL NOT INDULGE YOU ANY

> > FURTHER.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> No doubt the system can be adopted to various

other

> > > > >> predictions, as it indicates influences on

various

> > > bhavas.

> > > > >> Its various uses have been well documented in

> > numerous

> > > texts

> > > > >> besides BPHS and the very short description of

> > > Varahamihira.

> > > > >> The assumption that its use is not mentioned for

> > > different

> > > > >> uses in any other text but the two you mentioned

is

> > not

> > > > >> factually correct.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS USING ASHTAKVARGA

IS

> > NOT

> > > > >> GIVEN CLEARLY IS IN ANY TEXTS. THAT IS WHAT I AM

> > > SAYING.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Krushna has developed different parameters and as

> > long

> > > as the

> > > > >> system delivers results there should be no issue

> with

> > > that.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASH : HERE I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT KRUSHNAJI HAS

NOT

> > > > >> DEVELOPED DIFFERENT PARAMETERS AND THIS SYSTEM.

HE

> > HAD

> > > > >> BROUGHT IT FORWARD. THIS SYSTEM WAS KEPT IN

FAMILY

> > OF

> > > HIS

> > > > >> GURU AND THAT WAS TRANSMITTED FROM FATHER TO

SON.

> > > KRUSHNAJI

> > > > >> WANTED THIS SYSTEM TO REMAIN IN THIS WORLD. THIS

> > SYSTEM

> > > MUST

> > > > >> HAVE BEEN IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE FOR CENTURIES. IF

ONE

> > > > >> UNDERSTANDS THIS SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS MAYBE WHAT

> AND

> > > WHY I

> > > > >> AM INDULDING YOU IN THIS THREAD WILL BECOME

CLEAR.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> It is easy to say that Parashara and

Varahamihira's

> > > texts

> > > > >> are corrupted, and they could be. But that does

not

> > prove

> > > > >> that the bindus used are wrong especially as most

of

> > > other

> > > > >> parameters that you mention are drawn from these

> very

> > > texts.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING

> > ASHTAKAVARGA

> > > IS

> > > > >> NOT DIFFERENT FROM VEDIC ASTROLOGY. INFACT VEDIC

> > > ASTROLOGY

> > > > >> IS MADE CLEAR WITH THE PROPER USE OF ASHTAKAVARGA

> AND

> > > KAS. I

> > > > >> DO NOT THINK PARASARA LIGHTLY MENTIONED THE USE OF

> > > > >> ASHTAKAVARGA FOR US PEOPLE IN KALI YUGA. A LOT OF

> > > > >> ASHTAKVARGA AND SANSKRIT SHLOKAS HAVE BEEN LOST.

> > THIS IS

> > > > >> WHAT I AM SAYING OR KEPT WITH FAMILES TILL

SOMEONE

> > LIKE

> > > > >> KRUSHNAJI COMES ALONG AND BRINGS SUCH TECHNIQUES

> > > FORWARD.

> > > > >> ITS A BIG CREDIT TO KRUSHNAJI FOR BRINGING

FORWARD

> > THIS

> > > > >> SYSTEM WITH HAS MADE TIMING OF EVENTS SO EASY.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> It is well known that Varaha Mihira was

influenced

> by

> > > Greek

> > > > >> astrologers and has adopted some of their

methods,

> so

> > the

> > > > >> bindus that he attributes could also have come

from

> > them.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASH : ONE THING. BAV IS BAV AND BASIC SCHEME

> SHOUL.D

> > BE

> > > > >> SAME. ONLY IN BAV OF MOON AND VENUS THERE IS A

> > > DIFFERENCE.

> > > > >> PARASARA AND VARHARMIRA CANNOT HAVE DIFFERENT

> > OPINIONS.

> > > > >> EITHER PARASARA'S SCHEME IS CORRUPT OR

> > VARHARMIRAS'S.

> > > AT THE

> > > > >> END OF THE DAY BOTH MUST MATCH. SO ITS INFACT

QUITE

> > > EASY TO

> > > > >> SAY THAT EITHER PARSARAS OR VARHARMIRAS BAV IS

> > CORRPUT.

> > > I AM

> > > > >> CONFIDENT THAT VARHRMAIRAS HAS REMAINED IN TACT

OVER

> > THE

> > > > >> CENTURIES AND PARASARAS BAV SCHME IS CORRPUT. IN

> ANY

> > > CASE I

> > > > >> WILL GO BY WHAT KRUSHNAJI HAS TAUGHT ME AS THIS

> > SYSTEM

> > > WAS

> > > > >> KEPT IN HIS GURUS FAMILY AND HE HAS USED THAT FOR

> > DECADES

> > > > >> WITH CORRECT PREDICTIONS. SO ITS TIME TESTED BY

HIS

> > > GURUS

> > > > >> LINEAGE. I AM IN NO POSITION TO MAKE ANY

JUDGEMENT

> > BUT

> > > CAN

> > > > >> SAY THAT I AM USNIG VARHARMIRAS SCHEME.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Since you give equal importance to Navamsha and

Rasi

> > > whereas

> > > > >> I go by the old time system of planetary

strength

> > being

> > > > >> derived from Navamsha, it might not be possible

for

> > you

> > > to

> > > > >> follow my meaning and reasons behind attributing

more

> > > > >> strength to Saturn over Jupiter.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASH : I AM FINDING STRENGTH USING ASHTAKVARGA BUT

> FOR

> > > EACH

> > > > >> PLANET AND FOR EACH HOUSE. YOU ARE ALSO TRYING

TO

> > FIND

> > > THE

> > > > >> STRENGH BUT I AM NOT CLEAR WHEN YOU SAY SHANI IS

> > STRONGER

> > > > >> THAN GURU BUT FOR WHAT ? IS IT FOR EVENT OR ALL

12

> > > HOUSES ?

> > > > >> JUST SAYING STRONGER IS VERY GENERAL. IF I WERE

TO

> > ASK

> > > YOU

> > > > >> IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH HOUSE OR 10TH

> > HOUSE.

> > > > >> THIS IS HOW I AM SEETNG THINGS. AS PER THE

WORKSHEET

> > > > >> STRENGTH GURU IS FAR BETTER FOR 10TH HOUSE AS

> > COMPARED TO

> > > > >> SHANI HOWEVER SHANI IS FAR STRONGER THAN GURU FOR

> 4TH

> > > HOUSE

> > > > >> MATTERS.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The question of strength of the two planets was

> > raised by

> > > > >> Lakshmi and I was responding to that. I so far as

> > > influence

> > > > >> over all 12 Rasis comment is concerned, Vedic

> > astrology

> > > does

> > > > >> think that planets have influence over all Bhavas

> and

> > > other

> > > > >> planets and the way the results would manifest

> depend

> > on

> > > > >> their mutual relation.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASH : EXACTLY. HERE IN LIES THE ESSENCE OF WHAT

I

> > WAS

> > > SAYING

> > > > >> OR TRYING TO SAY FOR SO LONG. THE BEAUTY OF IS

THAT

> > SAV

> > > > >> ALREADY TAKES CARE OF MUTUAL RELATIONS SO IT

BECOMES

> > > > >> IMPERATIVE THAT BAV IS ACCURATE AS SAV AS U KNOW

IS

> > > DERIVED

> > > > >> FROM BAV. THAT WAS MY COMMENT ON COMPOUNDING OF

> > ERRORS.

> > > > >> THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU SAY THAT SHANI IS STRONGER

THAN

> > GURU

> > > > >> CONFUSES ME BECAUSE YES FOR 4TH HOUSE SHANI IS

> > STRONGER

> > > THAN

> > > > >> GURU BUT NOT FOR 10TH HOUSE. HERE I AM BEING

VERY

> > > SPECIFIC.

> > > > >> SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOUR COMMENT ON SHANI

BEING

> > > STRONGER

> > > > >> THAN GURU WAS CONSIDERING ALL 12 HOUSES AND THE

> MUTUAL

> > > > >> PLACMENT FOR ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT TO EACH

> > OTHER ?

> > > IF SO

> > > > >> THEN I AM VERY SURE THAT YOU WILL COME TO THE

SAME

> > > CONCLUSION

> > > > >> USING WHATEVER WAY YOU USE TO FIND THE STRENGH OF

> > SHANI

> > > AND

> > > > >> GURU I.E NAVAMSA, D CHARTS OR YOGAS ETC WITH WHAT

I

> > HAVE

> > > > >> SHOWN IN THE WORKSHEET. THEN IF YOU COMPARE

SHANI

> > AND

> > > GURU

> > > > >> FOR EACH HOUSE WE WILL HAVE A MORE STRONGER BASIS

FOR

> > > > >> COMPARISION. BUT STILL JUST USING THE WORD

STRONGER

> > I

> > > AM NOT

> > > > >> CLEAR OR AM NOT FOLLOWING. THE QUETSIONS THAT

COMES

> > TO

> > > MY

> > > > >> MIND .. STRONGER FOR WHAT OR WHICH HOUSE OR

WHICH

> > > EVENT ?

> > > > >>

> > > > >> About not considering Navamsha strength, I am not

> > able to

> > > > >> follow what you are saying. On the one hand you

say

> > that

> > > > >> these being equal you do not consider Navamsha in

> > > worksheet

> > > > >> and that you only use Navamsha to find samdharmi

and

> > on

> > > the

> > > > >> other hand you say that my contention is not

> correct/.

> > > > >> /

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASH : RASI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL STATUS AS PER

THE

> > > TEACHINGS

> > > > >> OF KAS. NAVAMSA IS DERIVED FROM RASI. FOR THE

> > STRENGH

> > > AND

> > > > >> WORKSHEET ONLY RASI IS NEEDED. IF IN CASE OF

DOUBT

> > YOU

> > > CAN

> > > > >> GO INTO D-CHARTS AND FIND OUT FROM THAT. I HAVE

> > > DEMONTRATED

> > > > >> WITH AN EXAMPLE OF RAMESH'S MARRIAGE. I WOULD

HOPE

> > THAT

> > > > >> LAKSHMI WOULD COMMENT ON THIS PART. I HAVE NOT

SAID

> > > THAT YOU

> > > > >> ARE NOT CORRECT. YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND THE

> STRENGTH

> > > ALSO

> > > > >> FROM NAVAMSA. AS PER KAS I FIND THE STRENGTH

FROM

> > > WORKSHEET

> > > > >> WHICH IS FROM RASHI. FOR D-CHARTS I CAST

WORKSHEET

> > BUT

> > > ONLY

> > > > >> PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE. WE DO NOT CONSIDER

> > ASPECTS

> > > > >> PART. SO ONLY TOP PORTION OF WORKSHEET IS

USED.

> WE

> > > BOTH

> > > > >> ARE FINDING STRENGTH AND I AM USING AV FROM RASI

AND

> > YOU

> > > ARE

> > > > >> PROBABLY USING RASI/NAVAMSA/D CHARTS ETC AND SIGN

> > > PLACEMENT

> > > > >> TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Again you are talking about timing of events and

the

> > > original

> > > > >> thread is about Guru's capacity to harm the

house

> > > occupied

> > > > >> by it/./

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASH : FOR ME THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF QUESTION.

AS

> PER

> > > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM PLANETS THAT ASPECT

> > PRIMARY

> > > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES I.E. 8TH FROM HOUSE UNDER

FOCUS,

> > 5TH

> > > FROM

> > > > >> HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND HOUSE UNDER FOCUS FOR

EXAMPLE

> > FOR

> > > > >> READERS IF YOU ARE TIMING MARRIAGE THEN 2ND, 7TH

AND

> > > 11TH AND

> > > > >> IF ANY PLANET HAS ASPECT ON THESE HOUSES THEN

THEY

> > WILL

> > > NOT

> > > > >> GIVE RESULT IN THEIR ANTRA BUT THEIR SAMDHARMI

WILL

> > GIVE

> > > > >> RESULT AND THE EXCEPTION IS THAT IF THE PLANET IS

> > LORD OF

> > > > >> 10TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS OR 6TH THEN IT WILL

GIVE.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS

> > PLACED

> > > IN

> > > > >> AND ITS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE SO GURU WILL

> NOT

> > > GIVE

> > > > >> RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN GENERALLY.

ONLY

> > > EXCEPTION

> > > > >> IS THAT IF GURU IS IN PISCES SO SUCH A GURU WILL

> GIVE

> > THE

> > > > >> RESULT OF TIMING OF EVENT. SIMILARLY FOR MARS.

I

> > THINK

> > > ALSO

> > > > >> SOMETHING SIMILAR IS SAID FOR MARS AS PER VEDIC

> > TEXTS.

> > > MARS

> > > > >> ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN

AND

> > 8TH

> > > HOUSE

> > > > >> SO AS PER VEDIC TEXTS ITS ALSO SAID THAT MARS

SPOILS

> > THE

> > > > >> HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. FOR SHANI IT DOES NOT

ASPECT

> > ANY

> > > OF THE

> > > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES WHEREEVER ITS PLACED SO ITS

NOT

> > SAID

> > > TO

> > > > >> SPOIL THE HOUSE AND WILL DELIVER THE RESULT IF IT

> HAS

> > > POWER

> > > > >> AS PER WORKSHEET. SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN NOTED IN

> TEXTS

> > AS

> > > JU

> > > > >> SPOILS THE HOUSE IT IS PLACED IN AND SHANI DOES

> NOT.

> > > MARS

> > > > >> ALSO CAN BE SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE IT IS IN

HOWEVER

> > THE

> > > > >> EXCEPTIONS FOR ALL IS IF THE SAME PLANET ALSO

RULES

> > 10TH

> > > AND

> > > > >> 6TH FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN IT WILL GIVE THE

> > > RESULT.

> > > > >> THIS CAN BE CHECKED AND I AM SURE IT WILL

VALIDATE

> > WITH

> > > YOUR

> > > > >> EXCEPTIONS.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> SO I AM NOT TAKING PART IN THE DISCUSSION AS FOR

ME

> > > > >> PERSONALLY THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCUSS. THE

BASICS

> > OF

> > > SUCH

> > > > >> THINGS ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR AND CONSIDERED BY THE

RULES

> > OF

> > > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAVARGA SYSTEM. I AM VERY GLAD

HOWEVER

> > TO

> > > SEE

> > > > >> THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THIS TOPIC.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ANOTHER THING, GURU IS A HYOCRATIC PLANET.

WHENEVER

> > ONE

> > > > >> TRIES TO POTRAY GURU AS BAD THERE WILL BE

> > RESISTANCE.

> > > THIS

> > > > >> IS THE POWER OF GURU. I AM SITTING BACK AND

READING

> > WITH

> > > > >> INTEREST AND SEEING THE MAYA GURU CREATES. FUNNY

> ITS

> > > EASIER

> > > > >> TO BLAME SHANI FOR THINGS AND POTRAY IT AS BAD

BUT

> > > INFACT ITS

> > > > >> SHANI WHO IS THE PLANET OF TRUTH.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> SUCH THIGNS ARE HARD FOR PEOPLE TO DIGEST AND YOU

> ARE

> > > GETTING

> > > > >> SO MUCH OF EXPLAINING TO DO. THIS ITSELF PROVES

MY

> > > POINT AND

> > > > >> YOUR POINT ALSO.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Anyway let us await Lakshmi's comment about your

> > > > >> observation on Mercury Antar, though this is not

> part

> > of

> > > the

> > > > >> original discussions.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASH : YES, IT WILL BE NICE IF LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT

ON

> > THE

> > > > >> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH IF IT HAPPENED IN MERCURY

ANTRA

> AS

> > PER

> > > > >> KAY. IF THE DATE IS GIVEN IT WILL BE BETTER.

THIS

> > WILL

> > > > >> PROVE THE POWER OF THE PLANET AS PER WORKSHEET TO

> > > DELIVER THE

> > > > >> RESULTS AFTER FINDING OUT THE DELAY FROM RASHI

AND

> > > NAVAMSA AS

> > > > >> BOTH HAVE SIMILAR STATUS AS PER KAS.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> THANK YOU FOR THIS DICUSSION,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> CHEERS !!!

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASH

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Regards,

> > > > >> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Ash wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >>> Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >>> My answers in CAPS below.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Dear Ash,

> > > > >>> I forgot that you are using Krushna's

> > Ashtakavarga

> > > > >>> system. In that case you must be using

Krushna's

> > > > >>> Ayanamsha. The system you are using is a

> > > combination of

> > > > >>> Ashtakavarga and traditional Graha Bhava

Bala

> > > system.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> ASH : THE SYSTEM I USE IS KRUSHNAS

ASHTAKVARG

> > AND

> > > ITS

> > > > >>> PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY. I DONT KNOW WHAT U

> > MEAN BY

> > > > >>> GRAHA BHAVA BALA SYSTEM. IN SHORT WE CAN

> > COMPUTE

> > > THE

> > > > >>> STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY

> HOUSE

> > AND

> > > > >>> ALSO FOR ALL 16 D CHARTS. SO ITS VEDIC

> > ASTROLOGY

> > > ONLY

> > > > >>> AND NOT DIFFERENT. AS PER KAS WE DO NOT

TALK

> IN

> > > GENERAL

> > > > >>> TERMS AS SHANI IS STRONG OR WEAK BUT WE CAN

GO

> > INTO

> > > > >>> DETAILS AS PER POINTS AND FIND OUT HOW A

PLANET

> > > WILL ACT

> > > > >>> FOR EACH HOUSE. IN MOST CASES PLANETS DO

NOT

> > ACT

> > > BAD

> > > > >>> FOR ALL HOUSES. IN SHANI ANTRA AS PER

RAMESH'S

> > > CHART IT

> > > > >>> WILL BE GOOD FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AS

COMPARED

> > TO

> > > GURU'S

> > > > >>> ANTRA FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AT THE SAME TIME

> FOR

> > > 10TH

> > > > >>> HOUSE MATTESR GURU WILL BE MUCH STRONGER

THAN

> > SHANI

> > > AS

> > > > >>> YOU CAN SEE AS PER POINTS. ABOUT NAVAMSA I

> SHALL

> > > > >>> COMMENT BELOW.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> There is no harm in using it as long as

results

> > come

> > > > >>> true. However it is not a different

> Ashtakavarga

> > > system

> > > > >>> per se.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> ASH : ASHTAKVARG IS ASHTAKVARG AND HOW TO

USE

> IT

> > IS

> > > NOT

> > > > >>> GIVEN CLEARLY IN ANY TEXTS. PEOPLE ARE

UNDER

> THE

> > > > >>> IMPRESSION BASED ON CURRENT TEXTS THAT ITS

USED

> > TO

> > > TIME

> > > > >>> DEATH OR ITS USE IS LIMITED TO TRANSITS

WHICH

> IS

> > NOT

> > > > >>> CORRECT. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT I TRY TO

> SAY

> > AND

> > > > >>> EXPLAIN WHEN PEOPLE COMMENT ON ASHTAKVARGA

AND

> > ITS

> > > USED

> > > > >>> ONLY IN TRANSITS. THE WHOLE SYSTEM IN WHICH

> ITS

> > > USED TO

> > > > >>> TIME EVENTS IS NOT WRITTEN IN ANY BOOK OR

> > CLASSICS

> > > > >>> DESPITE MANY MAHARISHIS LIKE PARASARA,

> > VARHARAMIRA

> > > ETC

> > > > >>> HAVE ALL MENTIONED ASHTAKVARGA IN THEIR

TEXTS.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I was talking about a different Ashtakavarga

> > system

> > > that

> > > > >>> you had suggested exists.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> ASH : I HAVE NOT SUGGESTED ANYTHING OF THAT

> > KIND.

> > > > >>> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM IS A SYSTEM IN

> WHICH

> > WE

> > > USE

> > > > >>> ASHTAKVARGA TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF EACH

PLANET

> > FOR

> > > EACH

> > > > >>> HOUSE. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY SYSTEM

OUT

> > THERE

> > > > >>> THAT DOES THAT. RESULTS CAN BE SEEN AT A

> > GLANCE.

> > > FOR

> > > > >>> EXAMPLE RAMESHS MARRIAGE MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED

> > DURING

> > > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA. MERCURY HAS THE HIGHEST

> STRENGTH

> > IN

> > > THE

> > > > >>> CHART FOR 7TH HOUSE. AND IS LOD OR 10TH LORD

> > FROM

> > > 7TH

> > > > >>> HOUSE. MAHADAHSA CAN BE THAT OF SHANI.

SHANI

> IS

> > > > >>> SAMDHARMI TO NAKTURAL KARAK VENUS OF

MARRIAGE.

> > SO

> > > SHANI

> > > > >>> MD/ MERCURY AD CAN GIVE MARRIAGE. THERE ARE

2

> > > ZEROES IN

> > > > >>> BAV ONE DUE TO VENUS AND OTHER DUE TO MARS

AND

> > > MERCURY

> > > > >>> SO RESULT WILL BE IN LAST SECTOR OF MERCURY

> > ANTRA.

> > > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA RUNS IN SHANI MD RUNS FROM

> 1983/11

> > > THRU

> > > > >>> 1986/JULY. 3RD SECTOR STARTS 1985/07 THRU

> > > 1986/07. I

> > > > >>> AM NOT GOING FURTHER. IF THIS IS IN THE

BALL

> > PARK

> > > ITS

> > > > >>> GOOD AND ONE CAN NARROW IT DOWN FURTHER WITH

> SUNS

> > > > >>> TRANSIT OVER STRONG SIGNIFICATORS FOR 7TH

HOUSE

> > AS

> > > PER

> > > > >>> THE WORKSHEET POINTS. MAYBE LAKSHMI CAN

VERIFY

> > > WHEN HER

> > > > >>> MARRIAGE TOOK PLACE WITH RAMESH.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Varahamihira does have a slightly different

> bindu

> > > > >>> placement no doubt yet it is only different

by

> > way

> > > of

> > > > >>> allowing Lagna to have one more bindu of

> > influence

> > > for

> > > > >>> some planet's Ashtakavarga. So it might not

> mean

> > > that

> > > > >>> other planet is getting a bindu less.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> ASH : THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT

> > SCHEME

> > > THAT

> > > > >>> IS IN TEXTS TODAY AVAILABLE GIVEN AS PER

> > PARASARA

> > > AND

> > > > >>> WHATS GIVEN OR PRESERVED FROM VARHARAMIRA.

> BOTH

> > ARE

> > > > >>> GREAT SAGES AND THEIR BAV SCHEMES MUST BE

SAME.

> > > > >>> PARASARAS HAS BEEN CORRPUT OVER TIME. THE

> > > DIFFERENCES

> > > > >>> IN IN BAV FOR MOONS PLACMENT FROM MOON AND

GURU

> > AND

> > > > >>> VENUS FROM MARS. THIS HAS VERY DEEP MEANING

> AND

> > > SAYING

> > > > >>> FOR EXAMPLE IF VENUS GETS POWER IF IN 4TH

FROM

> > MARS

> > > AND

> > > > >>> IF VENUS IS NOT GETTING POWER OR A BINDU IF

IN

> > 4TH

> > > FROM

> > > > >>> MARS HAS A BIG DIFFERENCE. THERE ARE ONLY

337

> > > POINTS

> > > > >>> AND IT WOULD MEAN THAT IF AS IN THE CASE OF

> > RAMESHES

> > > > >>> CHART IF HIS 7TH BHAVA GETS 19TH IT MEANS

THAT

> > THAT

> > > 1

> > > > >>> BINDU OF FROM THE POOL OF 337 HAS GONE TO

SOME

> > OTHER

> > > > >>> HOUSE. IF A PLANET IS IN THAT HOUSE IT MAY

GET

> > 1

> > > BINDU

> > > > >>> MORE STRENGTH AND IT MAY CHANGE THE ENTIRE

> > CHART.

> > > IF

> > > > >>> THAT PLANET IS IN 4TH FROM A MALEFIC PLANET

(BY

> > > MALEFIC

> > > > >>> I MEAN A PLANET WITH < 4 BINDUS EXCEPT MOON)

> AND

> > IF

> > > THAT

> > > > >>> PLANET WERE TO GET STRNGTH THEN THAT PLANET

> > WOULD

> > > BECOME

> > > > >>> VERY STRONG FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT WOULD

> > CHANGE

> > > THE

> > > > >>> ENTIRE COMPLEXION OF THE CHART. WITH

ASKTAVARG

> > WE

> > > ARE

> > > > >>> VERY PARTICULAR AND THIS IS NOT A TRIVIAL

> > MATTER. 1

> > > > >>> BINDUS CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I said 19 Bindus as the chart sent by Dear

> > Lakshmi

> > > was

> > > > >>> in that format. Varahamihira has exactly 8

> > shlokas

> > > on

> > > > >>> Ashtakavarga and his is not a different

system.

> > He

> > > only

> > > > >>> has a different opinion about which places

are

> > > > >>> influenced by Lagna in case of some of the

> > planets.

> > > > >>> Parashara has, on the other hand,

exhaustively

> > dealt

> > > > >>> with Ashtakavarga.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> ASH : THIS IS NOT TRUE. BAV SCHEMES HAVE TO

> > > MATCH. I

> > > > >>> DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BY

> SYSTEMS.

> > THE

> > > > >>> CORE AND BASIC OF ASHTAKVARG SYSTEM IS THE

BAV

> > > POINTS.

> > > > >>> IF PARASARA IS SAYING THAT MOON IS NOT

GIVING

> > > STRENGTH

> > > > >>> TO 9TH BHAVA WHEAREAS VARHARAMIRA IS SAYING

IT

> > > DOES.

> > > > >>> THIS IS HUGE DIFFERECE OUT HERE. SIMILARLY

> MOON

> > IS

> > > > >>> BENEFIC IN 2ND FROM GURU AND VARHARAMIRA IS

> > SAYING

> > > THAT

> > > > >>> 1 BINDUS STRENGTH IS NOT GIVEN. THIS IS THE

> > > BASIC. YOU

> > > > >>> JUST CANNOT SAY THAT THE DIFFERENCE OF

OPINION

> IS

> > > > >>> "ONLY". THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. IMAGINE A

> > SYSTEM

> > > THAT

> > > > >>> IS USED ACCURATELY FOR TIMING OF EVENTS THE

SAV

> > > VALUES

> > > > >>> FROM WHICH THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANEST AND

FOR

> > EACH

> > > AND

> > > > >>> EVERY HOUSE IS COMPUTED AND ITS BASED ON SAV

> AND

> > > SAV IS

> > > > >>> BASED ON BAV. IN THE LEAST WHAT YOU ARE

SAYING

> > > MIGHT

> > > > >>> SURMOUNT TO COMPOUNDING OF ERROR. ACTUALLY

IF

> > YOU

> > > STUDY

> > > > >>> HOW ONE COMES TO THE POINTS THAT I HAVE

> > DISPLAYED

> > > IN MY

> > > > >>> PREVIOUS MAILS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND

WHY

> > I

> > > AM SO

> > > > >>> PICKY WITH THIS DISTRIBUTION OF BAV AND

> STICKING

> > TO

> > > > >>> VARHARAMIRA. IF WE DIFFER ON THIS VIEW WE

CAN

> > > AGREE TO

> > > > >>> DISAGREE.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I have already given the reason I think

Saturn

> is

> > > > >>> stronger than Guru in reply to Lakshmi.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> ASH : YES, I DID READ YOUR INTERSTING

COMMENT

> > BUT I

> > > WAS

> > > > >>> NOT CLEAR ON WHAT YOU MEANT BY STRONGER.

> > STRONGER

> > > FOR

> > > > >>> WHAT EVENTS ? DID U MEAN STRONGER FOR

> DELIVERING

> > > > >>> RESULTS OR ALL 12 HOUSES. CAN YOU BE MORE

> > > SPECIFIC.

> > > > >>> WHEN I GAVE THE POINTS I AM BEING VERY

SPECIFIC

> > AND

> > > > >>> COMPARING GURU WITH SHANI FOR ALL 12

HOUSES. I

> > AM

> > > BEING

> > > > >>> SPECIFIC IN SAYING THAT IN GURU ANTRA RAMESH

> > WILL

> > > HAVE

> > > > >>> MORE AUTHORITY AS COMPARED TO SHANI. GURU

IS

> IN

> > > UPCAHYA

> > > > >>> FROM 10TH HOUSE AND WITH 5 BINDUS. SO ITS

VERY

> > > EAGER TO

> > > > >>> GIVE 2ND AND 10TH HOUSE MATTERS. SHANI IS

> EAGER

> > TO

> > > GIVE

> > > > >>> RESULTS FOR 12TH, 4TH, 11TH, AND 3RD HOUSE

IN

> ITS

> > > > >>> ANTRA. CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC. I DO NOT

> > THINK

> > > SHANI

> > > > >>> IS BAD FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE AND NEITHER

IS

> > GURU

> > > IN

> > > > >>> HIS ANTRA. AGAIN I AM RESTRICTING THE

RESULTS

> > TO

> > > THE

> > > > >>> ANTRA. I THINK IF U ARE MORE SPECIFIC THEN

WE

> > > MIGHT BE

> > > > >>> SAYING THE SAME THING BUT FROM A DIFFERENT

VIEW

> > > POINT.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> The reason it is not reflected in the table

> > given

> > > by you

> > > > >>> is,as you have indicated Navamsha strength

of

> > > planets is

> > > > >>> not considered in the system you are using.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> ASH : THIS IS INCORRECT. THE STRENGTH IS

> > DERIVED

> > > FROM

> > > > >>> RASHI AND THE WORKSHEET POINTS ARE FROM

RASHI

> > ONLY.

> > > > >>> NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS AS COMPARED TO

RASHI.

> > WE

> > > USE

> > > > >>> NAVAMSA FOR FINDING OUT THE SAMDHARMIS AND

ALSO

> > > DELAY.

> > > > >>> ALL COMBINATIONS HAVE TO BE CHECKED FROM

BOTH

> > RASI

> > > AND

> > > > >>> NAVAMSA. BUT FOR FINDING OUT THE STRENGH OF

> > PLANET

> > > ITS

> > > > >>> DONE FROM RASI. A WORKSHEET FOR EACH

> DIVISIONAL

> > > CHART

> > > > >>> IS ALSO CASTED.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Using Krushna's Ayanamsha the Navamsha

> placement

> > of

> > > > >>> planets could also change. If you apply the

> > strength

> > > > >>> from Navamsha as given in the chart provided

by

> > > Lakshmi,

> > > > >>> you will see my view point.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> ASH : IT WILL NOT CHANGE THINGS. I CHECKED

> AFTER

> > > > >>> READING THIS COMMENT. IN BOTH CASES USING

> > KRUSHNAS

> > > > >>> AYANAMSA AND LAHIRI SHANI REMAINS IN LIBRA

IN

> > > NAVAMSA SO

> > > > >>> ITS SAMDHARMI TO VENUS. IT WILL REPLACE

VENUS

> > FOR

> > > THE

> > > > >>> HOUSE THAT VENUS IS UNABLE TO DELIVER

RESULTS.

> > THE

> > > > >>> POSITION OF MARS CHANGES IN LAGNA THOUGH.

> MAYBE

> > IF

> > > U

> > > > >>> SEE THINGS WITH MARS BEING IN 12TH INSTEAD

OF

> > 11TH

> > > YOU

> > > > >>> MAY SEE MY VIEW POINT. AGAIN I AM

EMPHASISING

> > ON

> > > THE

> > > > >>> FACT THAT STRENGTH OR THE WORKSHEET THAT I

GAVE

> > IS

> > > > >>> COMPUTED FROM RASHI ONLY AND SAMDHARMIS IS

> > COMPUTED

> > > FROM

> > > > >>> RASHI AND NAVAMSA. RASHI AND NAVAMSA HAVE

> EQUAL

> > > STATUS

> > > > >>> AS PER KAS AND WE FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES FOR

> > FINDING

> > > > >>> DELAY. I HAVE DEMONSTRATED IN THIS MAIL

> > REGARDING

> > > > >>> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH WITH LAKSHMI. FOR THAT I

> HAVE

> > > > >>> COMPUTED DELAY FOR MARRIAGE USING 2 ZEROES,

AND

> > > SHANI

> > > > >>> ASPECTING PRIMIARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES FROM

> > RASHI

> > > AND

> > > > >>> THEIR LORDS IN NAVAMSA AND USING WORKSHEET

> > STRENGTH

> > > I

> > > > >>> HAVE COMPUTED THE TIME FRAME. IT WILL BE

> > > INTERSTING IF

> > > > >>> LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON THE SAME. THERE IS A

> > SLIGHT

> > > > >>> DIFFERENCE IN THE WORKSHEET. SOME HOW IN

HASTE

> > MY

> > > > >>> AYANAMSA CHANGE BUT IT WILL NOT MAKE A

> > DIFFERENCE

> > > FOR

> > > > >>> MARRAIGE. HERE IS THE CORRECTED VERSION OF

THE

> > > > >>> WORKSHEET. MERCURY STILL HAS 18 POINTS FOR

7TH

> > > HOUSE

> > > > >>> AND MOSTLY ALL HOUSES.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> *Hse* *SAV Pt* *Su*

> *Mo*

> > *Ma*

> > > *Me* *Ju* *Ve* *Sa*

> > > > >>> *1* 25 17 20

12

> > 20 11

> > > 7 10

> > > > >>> *2* 23 9 16 14

> > 22 22

> > > 14 12

> > > > >>> *3* 31 16 15

12

> > 11 4

> > > 14 7

> > > > >>> *4* 26 11 17 7

> > 23 7

> > > 10 23

> > > > >>> *5* 32 12 23 9

> > 19 16

> > > 22 15

> > > > >>> *6* 32 18 16

18

> > 21 5

> > > 8 11

> > > > >>> *7* 20 10 14 9

> > 18 11

> > > 18 10

> > > > >>> *8* 19 22 12 9

> > 25 4

> > > 17 10

> > > > >>> *9* 28 8 12 14

> > 7 5

> > > 21 3

> > > > >>> *10* 34 17 13

7

> > 16 21

> > > 16 4

> > > > >>> *11* 38 16 15

15

> > 21 4

> > > 15 19

> > > > >>> *12* 29 10 14

11

> > 9 8

> > > 14 15

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> THANKING YOU,

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> CHEERS !!!

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> ASH

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > >>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Ash wrote:

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi,

> > > > >>>> There is a difference between a house

getting

> > 20

> > > bindus

> > > > >>>> and a house getting 19 bindus as you are

> > aware. I

> > > > >>>> agree both are weak with 20 bindus being a

> > stronger

> > > > >>>> than 19 bindus. At the same token if a

bhave

> > gets

> > > 1

> > > > >>>> bindu more it means one other house is

getting

> > 1

> > > bindu

> > > > >>>> less.

> > > > >>>> It also means that some planet has made a

> > > favourable

> > > > >>>> yog w.r.t one house and not with another.

Is

> > it

> > > not ?

> > > > >>>> I use Krushnas Ashtakvarga system as you

are

> > also

> > > aware.

> > > > >>>> In that SAV is the base from that we derive

the

> > > > >>>> strength of each planet for each and every

> > house

> > > and

> > > > >>>> also for each and every 16 divisional

chart.

> > When

> > > > >>>> casting the worksheet the aspects are not

> > > considered in

> > > > >>>> the D charts only the basis strength.

> > > > >>>> The BAV values given by Parasara in my

opinion

> > have

> > > > >>>> become corrupt. The BAV distribution

scheme by

> > > > >>>> Varharamira is correct. The settings are

also

> > > given in

> > > > >>>> JHL software where you tick off the check

> boxes

> > in

> > > the

> > > > >>>> lite version. If you use the option of

> > > Varharamira you

> > > > >>>> will get 20 bindus for 7th house. It would

be

> > > good to

> > > > >>>> understand if you have intentionally used

> > > Parasara's

> > > > >>>> scheme of BAV or generally use Varharmiras

> > > scheme ?

> > > > >>>> To come to the final stength of each and

every

> > > planet

> > > > >>>> for each house .

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Here is the final strength of planet for

> > Ramesh's

> > > chart.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> These are total strength of the planets and

> > > derived by

> > > > >>>> considering the following.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> 1) 4:10

> > > > >>>> 2) Addition of 5 points for LoD and LoE or

> 10th

> > > lord

> > > > >>>> and 6th lord from house under consideration

> > > > >>>> 3) Planets in 10th and 6th hosue from house

> > under

> > > > >>>> consideration with > 4 bindus.

> > > > >>>> 4) Planets aspecting primary significator

> house

> > i.e

> > > > >>>> Karak, phal and phalit sthans.

> > > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspects on karak, phal

and

> > > phalit sthan

> > > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspect on planets

> > > > >>>> 6) Adjustment of 12th from house under focus

> > > > >>>> 7) Adjustment of 6th lord.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> After meticulously considering all these

> > factors we

> > > > >>>> come to strength of each planet for each

and

> > every

> > > > >>>> house. Like that we also compute strength

for

> > all

> > > d

> > > > >>>> charts but in that we only conider the

> strength

> > for

> > > > >>>> karak, phal and phalit sthan for each and

> every

> > > house.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> You have said that Shani is stronger than

> > Guru.

> > > Here

> > > > >>>> you can see both Shani and Guru at a glace

on

> > how

> > > they

> > > > >>>> will deliver their results in their

respective

> > > antar

> > > > >>>> dasha.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> I do hear ya regarding the system not being

> > > different

> > > > >>>> from parasara. Actually parasara did give

the

> > BAV

> > > > >>>> scheme but it has become corrupt over time.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Here Jupiter is in 10th from 10th house so

its

> > > > >>>> foritifying 10th house and also Guru is

with 5

> > > bindus

> > > > >>>> in 7th house and in multrikon so its very

> eager

> > to

> > > give

> > > > >>>> results for 10th house.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> If you see the worksheet you can see Ju is

> > having

> > > 22

> > > > >>>> points for 10th house and Shani has 7

points

> > for

> > > 10th

> > > > >>>> house. There is a big difference in

authority

> > that

> > > > >>>> Ramesh would have been bestowed in the

antras

> > of

> > > Guru

> > > > >>>> and Shani.

> > > > >>>> At the same time if you see expenses v/s

> income

> > in

> > > Guru

> > > > >>>> and shani and compare the 11th v/s 12th

points

> > you

> > > can

> > > > >>>> see more expenses in shani compared to Guru

> > antra.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> *House* *Signs* *SAV*

> > *Su* *Mo*

> > > *Ma* *Me* *Ju*

> > > > >>>> *Ve* *Sa*

> > > > >>>> 1 Gemini 23 16

> 19

> > 13 20

> > > 17 7 16

> > > > >>>> 2 Cancer 24 10

> 15

> > 20 23

> > > 23 14 16

> > > > >>>> 3 Leo 30 9 21

> > 9 19

> > > 11 11 13

> > > > >>>> 4 Virgo 26 7

22

> > 9 24

> > > 14 4 23

> > > > >>>> 5 Libra 33 8

23

> > 5 20

> > > 22 16 19

> > > > >>>> 6 Scorpio 32 16

> > 20 21

> > > 24 13 9 17

> > > > >>>> 7 Sagittarius 20 7

> > 19 5

> > > 25 17 12 8

> > > > >>>> 8 Capricorn 21 15

> > 19 9

> > > 24 9 12 12

> > > > >>>> 9 Aquarius 29 7

> > 17 13

> > > 11 14 22 9

> > > > >>>> 10 Pisces 29 13

> > 10 -2 17

> > > 22 9 7

> > > > >>>> 11 Aries 40 11

> 21

> > 10 26

> > > 14 10 19

> > > > >>>> 12 Taurus 30 5

> 21

> > 10 19

> > > 12 10 20

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Thanks,

> > > > >>>> Cheers !!!

> > > > >>>> Ash

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Dear Ash,

> > > > >>>> Even with 20 points the Bhava lacks

> > strength,

> > > is it

> > > > >>>> not? Saturn there however extends

> > protection.

> > > By

> > > > >>>> the way I am not aware of any

Ashtakavarga

> > > system

> > > > >>>> which gives differential value of

> > Bindus/Rekhas

> > > > >>>> based on Lagna of a native or placement

of

> > a

> > > planet

> > > > >>>> in a Rasi, aspects received by it and

> > > association

> > > > >>>> with other planets. May I know to which

> > system

> > > you

> > > > >>>> are referring to and the weightage for

> these

> > > > >>>> factors given in that system by

increasing

> > or

> > > > >>>> reducing the Bindus/Rekhas.

> > > > >>>> If you are talking about using other

> > > parameters in

> > > > >>>> association with Ashtakavarga then of

> > course

> > > that

> > > > >>>> is a different matter and would not

> > constitute

> > > > >>>> different system than Parashara.

> > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > >>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Pardon me for my intervention.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I would like to comment on

Ashtakavarga.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> 1) It seems that you have used

Parasaras

> > > scheme of

> > > > >>>>> BAV. With

> > > > >>>>> Varharamiras scheme you get 20 points

in

> > > Ramesh's

> > > > >>>>> 7th house.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> 2) For nodes are we know are not

> planets.

> > > They

> > > > >>>>> are used indirectly.

> > > > >>>>> They are samdharmi to sign lord and

> > nakshatra

> > > > >>>>> lord. For natural

> > > > >>>>> nature as you have said or quoted in

> > numerious

> > > > >>>>> posts Rahu is like

> > > > >>>>> Shani and Ketu like Mars.

Functionally

> > they

> > > will

> > > > >>>>> be more like the

> > > > >>>>> planet i.e. either sign lord or nak

lord

> > as

> > > per

> > > > >>>>> the points they

> > > > >>>>> receive in their BAV. For example, if

> > Rahu

> > > is in

> > > > >>>>> Gemini and nak of

> > > > >>>>> punarvasu then it will represent Me

and

> > Ju.

> > > If

> > > > >>>>> say Ge is 3rd house

> > > > >>>>> and in 3rd house Ju gets 5 bindus and

Me

> > gets

> > > say

> > > > >>>>> 6 bindus then Rahu

> > > > >>>>> will act more like Mercury.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> 3) With regards to your comment on

> > > Ashtakavarg not

> > > > >>>>> using sign

> > > > >>>>> placement is not entirely correct. If

> > used

> > > with a

> > > > >>>>> proper system the

> > > > >>>>> sign placement can give idea on

quantum

> of

> > > result

> > > > >>>>> and its not used to

> > > > >>>>> find timing of result. For timing of

> > result

> > > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg, SAV and

> > > > >>>>> total strength of planets derived from

> SAV

> > is

> > > good

> > > > >>>>> enough to time

> > > > >>>>> results effectively.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Maybe knowledge of Ashtakvarg that is

> > > available in

> > > > >>>>> texts today is not

> > > > >>>>> complete and may lead to confusion.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg system used is an effective

> > tool in

> > > > >>>>> timing of events.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> A couple of points on Ramesh's chart.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> 1) In Ramesh's chart there are 2

> > consecutive

> > > > >>>>> zeroes one given by

> > > > >>>>> Venus to 7th and one by Mars to 8th.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> 2) Jupiter antra will be very eager to

> > bestow

> > > > >>>>> authority to Ramesh and

> > > > >>>>> also for acquisition of wealth.

Between

> > > 1997/04

> > > > >>>>> thru 1999/10 Ramesh

> > > > >>>>> might have been given a role of

> > > responsibility.

> > > > >>>>> Also a good time to

> > > > >>>>> make investments and accumulation of

> > wealth.

> > > > >>>>> Lakshami can verify

> > > > >>>>> this antra.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Thanking you,

> > > > >>>>> Cheers !!!

> > > > >>>>> Ash

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> vedic astrology,

> > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

> > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>> > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > >>>>> > I think in Ramesh's case Saturn is

Lord

> > of

> > > the

> > > > >>>>> 9th is it not? He

> > > > >>>>> not

> > > > >>>>> > only associates a Kendra Lord but is

> > also

> > > is in

> > > > >>>>> kendra being a

> > > > >>>>> trine

> > > > >>>>> > lord. He is also Lord of Navamsha

Lagna

> > > > >>>>> aspecting Lagna, besides

> > > > >>>>> being

> > > > >>>>> > placed in a trikona. Jupiter on the

> > other

> > > hand

> > > > >>>>> is Lord of 2nd and

> > > > >>>>> 11th

> > > > >>>>> > in Navamsha and in 3rd house. I

would

> > > certainly

> > > > >>>>> treat Saturn as

> > > > >>>>> more

> > > > >>>>> > powerful than Jupiter, even if in

Lagna

> > > Jupiter

> > > > >>>>> appears to be with

> > > > >>>>> > greater strength. But there too he

is

> > only a

> > > > >>>>> Kendra Lord in Kendra

> > > > >>>>> > associating a trine lord. Since we

are

> > > talking

> > > > >>>>> about 7th house

> > > > >>>>> would it

> > > > >>>>> > not be right to look at the Navamsha

> > > strengths

> > > > >>>>> of the planets,

> > > > >>>>> before

> > > > >>>>> > coming to conclusion about 7th

house?

> If

> > we

> > > look

> > > > >>>>> at Ashtaka Varga

> > > > >>>>> then

> > > > >>>>> > SAV would rather prove my view point

as

> > it

> > > shows

> > > > >>>>> 7th house with 19

> > > > >>>>> > points. Personally I give more

> weightage

> > to

> > > > >>>>> Natal chart read with

> > > > >>>>> > Navamsha. the reason is Ashtakavarga

do

> > not

> > > > >>>>> consider effects of

> > > > >>>>> nodes ,

> > > > >>>>> > neither do they consider house

> ownership

> > or

> > > Rasi

> > > > >>>>> occupation

> > > > >>>>> > weightage.Your opinion would be

> > appreciated.

> > > > >>>>> > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>>> >

> > > > >>>>> > lakshmi ramesh wrote:

> > > > >>>>> >

> > > > >>>>> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > >>>>> > > Namaste Chandrasekar ji,

> > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > >>>>> > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is

in

> > own

> > > > >>>>> house/moolatrikona.

> > > > >>>>> Please

> > > > >>>>> > > look at the ashtakavarga & bala of

> > > Saturn. Who

> > > > >>>>> is more empowered

> > > > >>>>> to

> > > > >>>>> > > protect the house, based on both

> > strength

> > > and

> > > > >>>>> functionality,

> > > > >>>>> Jupiter

> > > > >>>>> > > or Saturn? I request you to ponder

on

> > > this.

> > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > >>>>> > > Regards,

> > > > >>>>> > > Lakshmi

> > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > >>>>> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/*

> wrote:

> > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > >>>>> > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > >>>>> > > If I may point out, in Javed's

> > case

> > > Guru

> > > > >>>>> is in own house and

> > > > >>>>> in

> > > > >>>>> > > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts

> > Guru.

> > > The

> > > > >>>>> dictum is Sthana

> > > > >>>>> rakshati

> > > > >>>>> > > Mandah. Guru's exception to

house

> > > damage

> > > > >>>>> occurs when he is in

> > > > >>>>> own

> > > > >>>>> > > house.

> > > > >>>>> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > >>>>> > > lakshmi ramesh wrote:

> > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >> Namaste Pradeep ji,

> > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >> I happen to know of

individuals

> > who

> > > have

> > > > >>>>> strong Guru in 4th

> > > > >>>>> and

> > > > >>>>> > >> 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has

> > blessed

> > > the

> > > > >>>>> individual with

> > > > >>>>> great

> > > > >>>>> > >> knowledge, an intelligence

that

> > > borders

> > > > >>>>> on genius and a rare

> > > > >>>>> > >> inner harmony. That person, a

> > devout

> > > > >>>>> Muslim, is one of the

> > > > >>>>> finest

> > > > >>>>> > >> individuals I have ever come

> > across,

> > > and

> > > > >>>>> he is very attached

> > > > >>>>> to

> > > > >>>>> > >> his family and mother and

there

> > are

> > > no

> > > > >>>>> problems what so ever

> > > > >>>>> on

> > > > >>>>> > >> the home front. This

individual

> > is

> > > highly

> > > > >>>>> esteemed in his

> > > > >>>>> work

> > > > >>>>> > >> environment and has all the

> > comforts

> > > one

> > > > >>>>> could desire.

> > > > >>>>> Infact,

> > > > >>>>> > >> Guru in 4th is supposed to

cast

> > > > >>>>> sukhargala on lagna, which is

> > > > >>>>> > >> good for the general health &

> > > happiness

> > > > >>>>> of the person.

> > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >> The individual with Jupiter &

> > Saturn

> > > in

> > > > >>>>> 7th (Dhanus) is my

> > > > >>>>> own

> > > > >>>>> > >> dear husband. We have been

very

> > > happily

> > > > >>>>> married for nearly 20

> > > > >>>>> > >> years. My husband has

prospered

> > > > >>>>> remarkably after marriage.

> > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >> I am posting the charts here.

> > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >> I request that you also post

the

> > > charts

> > > > >>>>> of the individuals to

> > > > >>>>> > >> whom you were referring in

your

> > > post, for

> > > > >>>>> our edification and

> > > > >>>>> > >> discussion.

> > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >> Regards,

> > > > >>>>> > >> Lakshmi

> > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >> */vijayadas_pradeep

> > > > >>>>> <vijayadas_pradeep>/* wrote:

> > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >> I have been trying to

test

> the

> > > > >>>>> principles taught by you

> > > > >>>>> > >> related to

> > > > >>>>> > >> guru in various bhavas.

> > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >> When in 3rd always some

> > > difficulties

> > > > >>>>> for siblings.Even

> > > > >>>>> when

> > > > >>>>> > >> in own

> > > > >>>>> > >> sign and in 4th,problems

for

> > > mother

> > > > >>>>> and at home front.

> > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >> When in 7th at marriage

> > > front.When in

> > > > >>>>> Lagna and not in

> > > > >>>>> own

> > > > >>>>> > >> sign some

> > > > >>>>> > >> physical weakness and

health

> > > problems

> > > > >>>>> in childhood.

> > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >> Thus Guru tests the

> individual

> > > > >>>>> thouroughly.

> > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >> Also sages have advised

that

> > > Guru is

> > > > >>>>> not favourable while

> > > > >>>>> > >> transiting

> > > > >>>>> > >> kendra houses 1,4,and

10th

> > from

> > > > >>>>> moon.Only the 7th kendra

> > > > >>>>> is

> > > > >>>>> > >> beneficial.(Is there any

> > reason

> > > for

> > > > >>>>> this?) Only

> > > > >>>>> 2nd,5th,7th

> > > > >>>>> > >> and 9th

> > > > >>>>> > >> are favourable.11th being

> > good

> > > for

> > > > >>>>> all planets in

> > > > >>>>> general.

> > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >> Respect

> > > > >>>>> > >> Pradeep

> > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >> --- In

> > > > >>>>> vedic astrology,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >>>>> > >> <boxdel>

> > > > >>>>> > >> wrote:

> > > > >>>>> > >> > Dear Anuj,

> > > > >>>>> > >> > I am glad you agree

with

> > me.

> > > As you

> > > > >>>>> rightly said in

> > > > >>>>> your

> > > > >>>>> > >> message

> > > > >>>>> > >> to

> > > > >>>>> > >> > Razdan,a the dictum is

> > pretty

> > > well

> > > > >>>>> known to

> > > > >>>>> astrologers.

> > > > >>>>> > >> There are

> > > > >>>>> > >> many

> > > > >>>>> > >> > shlokas to that effects

> and

> > > charts

> > > > >>>>> prove the veracity

> > > > >>>>> of the

> > > > >>>>> > >> dictum, I

> > > > >>>>> > >> > have myself posted a

few

> of

> > > them

> > > > >>>>> earlier.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > Unfortunately there is

a

> > > tendency

> > > > >>>>> to mix up terms like

> > > > >>>>> > >> Benefic/Malefic

> > > > >>>>> > >> > with the results a

planet

> > is

> > > likely

> > > > >>>>> to give. This

> > > > >>>>> happens more

> > > > >>>>> > >> with

> > > > >>>>> > >> > Jupiter as people

usually

> > tend

> > > to

> > > > >>>>> equate it with

> > > > >>>>> Deeksha

> > > > >>>>> > >> Guru as

> > > > >>>>> > >> his

> > > > >>>>> > >> > name in Sanskrit is

Guru.

> > > People

> > > > >>>>> tend to forget

> > > > >>>>> Parashara

> > > > >>>>> > >> telling

> > > > >>>>> > >> when

> > > > >>>>> > >> > Guru can act as Maraka

and

> > > want to

> > > > >>>>> attribute only good

> > > > >>>>> and

> > > > >>>>> > >> pious

> > > > >>>>> > >> > attributes to him. I

> prefer

> > to

> > > keep

> > > > >>>>> my personal

> > > > >>>>> feelings and

> > > > >>>>> > >> prejudices

> > > > >>>>> > >> > apart from application

of

> > > > >>>>> astrological principles.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > Take care,

> > > > >>>>> > >> > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>>> > >> >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > nameisego wrote:

> > > > >>>>> > >> >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > Respected

Chandrashekhar

> > ji.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > Please accpet my

pranams

> > as

> > > you

> > > > >>>>> are the senior most

> > > > >>>>> Guru

> > > > >>>>> > >> in age

> > > > >>>>> > >> and

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > experience in this

group.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > Your observation

about

> > Guru

> > > is

> > > > >>>>> absolutely right.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > Self had posted in

this

> > > group and

> > > > >>>>> elsewhere an

> > > > >>>>> article on "

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > "Guru Boon or Bane??"

> > some

> > > time

> > > > >>>>> back where it was

> > > > >>>>> shown

> > > > >>>>> > >> Guru's

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > position in various

> > houses

> > > which

> > > > >>>>> had been

> > > > >>>>> > >> destroyed/troubled by

> > > > >>>>> > >> Guru.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > "Bhava Nasha Karo

Jeeva

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau

> > Shanih"

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > This Dictum had been

> > proved

> > > by self.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > You may (Mr.Razdan)

go

> > thro'

> > > > >>>>> older postings and read

> > > > >>>>> for

> > > > >>>>> > >> yourself and

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > check the examples

that

> > were

> > > given.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > Difference between

> > Jupiter

> > > and

> > > > >>>>> saturn is, Jupiter

> > > > >>>>> sucks the

> > > > >>>>> > >> goodness

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > of a house and gives

> > fruit to

> > > > >>>>> houses it aspects.

> > > > >>>>> Saturn

> > > > >>>>> > >> sucks the

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > houses he aspects and

> > > increases

> > > > >>>>> the house it

> > > > >>>>> occupies.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > --- In

> > > > >>>>> vedic astrology,

PNRazdan

> > > > >>>>> > >> <pnrazdan>

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > wrote:

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > You seem to be

> > extending

> > > your

> > > > >>>>> arguments against

> > > > >>>>> Jupiter

> > > > >>>>> > >> still

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > further.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Firstly you said

that

> > Jup

> > > is

> > > > >>>>> ashub in houses it is

> > > > >>>>> a

> > > > >>>>> > >> designated as a

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10

> and

> > 11

> > > > >>>>> based on the principle

> > > > >>>>> of

> > > > >>>>> > >> "Karka

> > > > >>>>> > >> Bhavo

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > Nasa"

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > . Now you say that

it

> > will

> > > harm

> > > > >>>>> every house it is

> > > > >>>>> > >> placed in.

> > > > >>>>> > >> Why

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > this

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > animosity with Jup,

> the

> > > hope of

> > > > >>>>> millions believing

> > > > >>>>> in Vedic

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > Astrology

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > (in lighter vein).

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > You refer to some

> > dictum

> > > of a

> > > > >>>>> sage, source was not

> > > > >>>>> > >> given by

> > > > >>>>> > >> you. But

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > take out any basic

> book

> > on

> > > > >>>>> ancient astrology. It

> > > > >>>>> always

> > > > >>>>> > >> speaks

> > > > >>>>> > >> of

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > the

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > benefic qualities

of

> > > Jupiter.

> > > > >>>>> Somewhere it is even

> > > > >>>>> > >> said, that

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > howsoever

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > bad it may be

placed

> > in, it

> > > > >>>>> will still try to help

> > > > >>>>> the

> > > > >>>>> > >> subject. And

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > this has been amply

> > proved

> > > by

> > > > >>>>> our experience.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > I am afraid. you

will

> > have

> > > to

> > > > >>>>> do some more

> > > > >>>>> hardwork for

> > > > >>>>> > >> convincing

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > all

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > about your notions

of

> > > Jupiter,

> > > > >>>>> the heavenly

> > > > >>>>> Brahiman. This

> > > > >>>>> > >> would

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > even

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > mean a paradigm

shift

> > in

> > > Vedic

> > > > >>>>> Astrology.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Pran Razdan

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> > > > >>>>> <boxdel> wrote:

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Reference to Leo

was

> > in

> > > > >>>>> connection with what

> > > > >>>>> > >> Shubhangi had

> > > > >>>>> > >> asked.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Jupiter harming

the

> > > house he

> > > > >>>>> is placed in is a

> > > > >>>>> dictum

> > > > >>>>> > >> given

> > > > >>>>> > >> by

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > sages

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > and

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > there is no

reason

> to

> > > try to

> > > > >>>>> find out the

> > > > >>>>> reason. If one

> > > > >>>>> > >> wants to

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > find

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > the reason about

Leo,

> > > > >>>>> consider this in natural

> > > > >>>>> zodiac

> > > > >>>>> > >> Leo is

> > > > >>>>> > >> in

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > 5th

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > house whose

> > occupation by

> > > > >>>>> Jupiter leads to

> > > > >>>>> Karaka Bhava

> > > > >>>>> > >> Dasha. In

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > 11th

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > all planets are

> > Shubha

> > > so it

> > > > >>>>> is not only Jupiter

> > > > >>>>> who is

> > > > >>>>> > >> Shubha

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > there.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Disha strength is

> one

> > > amongst

> > > > >>>>> many strengths

> > > > >>>>> > >> considered but

> > > > >>>>> > >> not

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > as

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > strong as Digbala

> and

> > > Jupiter

> > > > >>>>> gets that in Lagna.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Prafulla Gang

wrote:

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Dear

> Chandrashekhar

> > ji

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > In my humble

view,

> > > (Jupiter

> > > > >>>>> may not be

> > > > >>>>> preferred in

> > > > >>>>> > >> Leo for

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Muhurta,

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > I do not know

much

> > > about

> > > > >>>>> muhurta related

> > > > >>>>> > >> configurations),It may

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > not

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > become weak in

> > terms of

> > > > >>>>> Bala necessarily

> > > > >>>>> (generally

> > > > >>>>> > >> speaking).

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > In

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact, jupiter

in

> > 3rd

> > > house

> > > > >>>>> in Libra is

> > > > >>>>> considered bad.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Jupiter in 11th

> > house

> > > (any

> > > > >>>>> sign) will have

> > > > >>>>> directional

> > > > >>>>> > >> strength

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > to

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > initiate for

> > results.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > There must be

more

> > than

> > > > >>>>> this reason, for

> > > > >>>>> jupiter to

> > > > >>>>> > >> give

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > negative

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > results.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

regards/Prafulla

> > Gang

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > --- In

> > > > >>>>> vedic astrology,

> > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > <boxdel>

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Dear

Shubhangi,

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Being an

Indian

> > you

> > > must

> > > > >>>>> know that Jupiter

> > > > >>>>> looses his

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > strength in

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Leo

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > and that is

why

> > > there are

> > > > >>>>> no Muhurtas for

> > > > >>>>> > >> marriages when

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > Jupiter

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > occupies Leo

or

> > what

> > > is

> > > > >>>>> called as Simhastha.

> > > > >>>>> That

> > > > >>>>> > >> is due

> > > > >>>>> > >> to

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > the

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact of

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Guru lacking

> > Bala. In

> > > > >>>>> your brother's case Sun

> > > > >>>>> > >> being in

> > > > >>>>> > >> own

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > Rasi

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > makes

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > him Shubha

and

> > > therefore

> > > > >>>>> good relations with

> > > > >>>>> > >> Father. But

> > > > >>>>> > >> I

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > would

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > say he

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > would not

follow

> > > father's

> > > > >>>>> profession.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >

Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Shubhangi

Naik

> > wrote:

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Dear Sir,

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Sorry for

> > > intervening in

> > > > >>>>> your session, but

> > > > >>>>> I am

> > > > >>>>> > >> curious

> > > > >>>>> > >> to

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > know

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > the logic

behind

> > > jupiter

> > > > >>>>> losing its strength

> > > > >>>>> in leo

> > > > >>>>> > >> and

> > > > >>>>> > >> hence

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > this

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > email.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Yes, your

> dictum

> > > worked

> > > > >>>>> in my brother's

> > > > >>>>> case also.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >My brother

has

> > > sun+jup

> > > > >>>>> in leo but in 8th, no

> > > > >>>>> > >> doubt he

> > > > >>>>> > >> is very

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > intelligent but

> did

> > > not do

> > > > >>>>> much well in

> > > > >>>>> academics

> > > > >>>>> > >> and yes,

> > > > >>>>> > >> he

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > did

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fail once in

his

> > 10th

> > > class.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >With my half

> > > knowledge I

> > > > >>>>> thought the reason

> > > > >>>>> to

> > > > >>>>> > >> be the

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > positioning

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > of both the

> planets

> > in

> > > 8th,

> > > > >>>>> but now curious to

> > > > >>>>> know

> > > > >>>>> > >> why jup

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > losses

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > strength in leo.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >But though

both

> > > planets

> > > > >>>>> are positioned in

> > > > >>>>> 8th, both

> > > > >>>>> > >> father

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > and

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > son shares good

> > > relation

> > > > >>>>> with each other.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Shubhangi

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >On Wed, 15

Sep

> > 2004

> > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar wrote :

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira,

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>There you

see

> > the

> > > > >>>>> dictum working. Is it

> > > > >>>>> not?

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Regards,

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >

>>Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >>>>> > >&

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September 29, 2004

Dear Pradeep,

First things first is that what are u trying to do when you are

seeing sign placement of a planet ? What are u trying to judge ?

Why do you keep going to D charts ? What is the final purpose ?

By any chance are u trying to gaugein some way or with some approach

the strength of a planet ? Is that what you are trying to do ?

If that is what you are trying to do then lets say that is one

approach to gauge the strenght of a planet.

Ashtakavarga and KAS are giving strength of planets for each and

every house and for each and every planet.

Please try to soak in the magnitude of what I have written above.

For example use any method or tool you use. From that take a chart

and take any planet. Try to find out its strength for lagna, 2nd

house, 3rd house ...... . to 12th house.

>From that you can give some identification to suggest if say a planet

is strong for say lagna but not that much for 2nd house. Just try to

do that exercise.

Then apply KAS and see how you can gauge the strength of each planet

for all 12 houses and you can get all that in a glance and its all

given in a numerical value.

I think if you do this 1 exercise you will realise how much effort it

would take to find out from all the source of strength that you use

and with consistency.

Now as per KAS, you would refer to D chart if in case of doubt. In

most cases one is able to time events from Rashi worksheet itself.

Now that being said if you are in doubt and say take a hypothetical

example if say a planet is giving 12 points for 5th house and one is

timing a child birth. You may want to verify if this planet does it

have enough strength to deliver results or which way it will go. Now

12 points means its on the border and can go either way. So in that

case you may cast the Worksheet for Saptamasha and verify the

results. For that only the top poriton of the worksheet is to be

used. i.e. in the SAV of Saptamsha and assume its a male chart and

then you would add the points of 5th, 9th and 12th house. If that

total is > 12 then the planet has strength and may give more

favourable result. At the same time we would also need to check if

that planet is not in a trik sthan or in the house of the planet

which is 6th lords house in lagna etc etc. All these things are a

part of a comphrensive system.

I think you are mixing different source of strength. My suggestion is

to keep aside any pre-notions of finding out strength. Just purely

use ashtakavarga and go over a solved chart which is given in lessons

and how things fit. This may not be easy task and I am talking from

practical experience. I myself had to put a huge effort to keep

aside my pre conceptions and notions of judgeing strength as each

system has its own way of assessing strength. One cannot mix and

match.

Why is it that you are looking for answers for finding strength in

sign placement ? Ashtakavarga in the system of KAS and as per

worksheet is already giving u the strength of the signfificator.

Isn't the final purpose acheived ?

Different school of thoughts give different approaches. For studying

any approach keep other approaches aside and open your mind up.

I think the best way would be to see how the technique is used is to

see how charts is solved.

I am out of time for now. But my suggestion is to see a solved

example charts. That is also given in the lessons.

About KAS and the questions you have on KAS please post them on KAS

list. I will be in a better shape to point out explanations and

references from the Archives.

On this list lets keep the conversation to General as there are so

many different schools of thought and its better to compare apples to

apples and oranges to oranges. If I get technical into KAS then it

would be like greek and latin to most folks and the essence would be

lost.

I hope you will understand.

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> Dear Ash

>

> Thanks for your time and detailed explanation.It was my mistake to

> ask broadly on something, which can only be explained in detail.But

> still you gave me an idea about various Samdharmi

> possibilities,Strengths and overview of Transits.I have roughly

> browsed through the notebooks and lessons.It makes me feel that one

> needs dedication and hardwork to master those.I think this system

> (Ashtakavarga in general) provides an unique method for assessing

> the strength of planets.Usage of 4/10 Samadharmi position along

with

> AV,is a good example.Parashara has pointed out the great role of

> mutual yogakarakas.Thus i think this system is kind of a short

> cut.Also as you have said any planet can deliver only on the basis

> of its overall

> strength,though strong w.r to a particular aspect. Thus i think if

> one wants to predict consistently without astakavarga , vast

> experience/mastery in vedic astrology is a must.I am a beginner

even

> with respect to other astrological fundamentals and hence cannot

> comment more.

>

> In one of the pages it has been mentioned that Rashi and Navamsha

> has equal strength.What should one understand from this?From your

> mail i have understood that,the system takes into account of rashi

> and navamsha positions together and then apply multiplication

> factors.But multiplication factor is giving more weightage to Rashi

> positions?Is there any reason for this?. Does this mean

debilitation

> in navamsha is only harming a particular strength of the planet?

>

> In another place it is mentioned that planets in the same navamsha

> are samadharmis ,but this is the lowest level.This is an

interesting

> point.My understanding is,though they are in same navamsha

> tattwas ,they will not be ' together ', unless they are together in

> Rashi as well, and hence the above statement and low weightage.Am

> right?

>

> I have found that your system considers Rashi and Navamsha analysis

> together.This is interesting.Thus for other vargas as well,shouldnt

> be the case similar?Your system attributing lowest importance among

> samadharmis,for planets in same navamsha has a big meaning.Thus i

> think SAV analysis of Divisional positions is not reaching my

> understanding.Because as per my understanding divisional positions

> taken in isolation and considered together cannot have a meaning of

> its own.

> If that was the case,in the same navamsha samadharmi example ,when

2

> planets are together,weightage should had been high.Anyways the

last

> paragraph is only regarding something which i find very difficult

to

> understand,and it is a general doubt.While ashtakavarga analyses

the

> relative positional strength from eight angles across the jataka,

> ShadVarga is analysing six fold strength of a planet or lagna

within

> a 30 degree sign.May be i have to learn and look for more to find a

> clue.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "ashsam73" <ashsam73>

> wrote:

> > Dear Pradeep,

> > Please just call me Ash.

> >

> > My answers in CAPS.

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > Dear Ash ji & Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > This debate on Astakavarga and its importance during chart

> analysis

> > > is becoming really educative.

> >

> > ASH : I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE LEARNING FROM CHANDRASHEKHAR AND MY

> > DISCUSSION.

> >

> > I was scared to ask any questions due

> > > to my ignorance. But i think i may ask couple of questions of

> > broad

> > > nature.

> >

> > ASH : WHY ARE U SCARED OF ASKING ANY QUESTION ? IT IS AN HONOUR

> FOR

> > ANYONE WHO WANTS TO LEARN THIS SCIENCE OF LIGHT AND HELP PEOPLE

IN

> > NEED. I HAVE SEEN SUCH NICE POSTS FROM YOU IN THE PAST. PLEASE

> FEEL

> > FREE TO ASK. I SHALL TRY TO ANSWER EACH POINT IN THE LIMITED

TIME

> > AND RESOUCES I HAVE.

> >

> > >

> > > Ash ji, I am glad that your system considers the Vargas as an

> > > inherent division within the Rashi,and it should be like that

as

> >

> > per my humble understanding of Parashara.This gives me confidence

> and

> > > trust.Now you have said jupiter within the second navamsha,in

> > cancer

> > > is samadharmi to Sun.

> >

> > ASH : BEFORE WE DWELVE ANY FURTHER PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE

> > FOLLOWING.

> >

> > 1) ASHTAKAVARGA IS TAUGHT BY MAHARISHI PARASARA AND VARHARAMIRA

> AND

> > MOSTLY ALL BOOKS HAVE REFERENCE AND SHOLKES ON ASHTAKAVARGA. BUT

> IN

> > NO BOOK A SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING ASHTAKAVARGA IS GIVEN.

> >

> > 2) ASHTAKAVARGA IS A TOOL GIVEN AND IS USED IN ALL VARGAS. ITS

> > APPLICABLE IN ALL D-CHARTS. EXPLORE THE FEATURES GIVEN IN JHL

AND

> > YOU CAN SEE THAT ITS PROGRAMMED TO GIVE SAV FOR ALL D-CHARTS.

> >

> > 3) ASHTAKAVARGA WHEN USED IN A FULL SYSTEM IS USED VERY

> EFFECTIVELY

> > TO TIME ALL EVENTS. ITS USE IS NOT LIMITED TO TRANSITS AND

TIMING

> > LONGEVITY.

> >

> > 4) WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM ALL FACTORS ARE

> > CONSIDERED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. ASHTAKAVARGA IF YOU GO DEEPER

> AND

> > TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE THEORY BEHIND KAS YOU WILL BEGIN TO

> UNDERSTAND

> > WHAT I AM SAYING. I MYSELF HAVE SPEND SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO

> > UNDERSTAND THE DEEP THEORY BEHIND KAS AND AM TRUELY AMAZED. IT

> DID

> > NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT BUT IT TOOK TIME AND DEDICATION AND I STILL

> HAVE

> > MUCH TO LEARN.

> >

> > OK. NOW THAT THIS IS CLARIFIED I SHALL PROCEED TO ANSWER YOUR

> > QUESTIONS.

> >

> > >

> > > As per my understanding ,any transiting planet will trigger the

> > > planets placed in a house ,their lords and also the lord of the

> > > transiting house.Thus when a planet transits say 3deg 20 to 6

> deg

> > > 40, (as you have mentioned) in Cancer,it is also transiting

> > navamsha

> > > of sun, w.r to that Rashi.Thus this transit will trigger Sun

and

> > > also Jupiter,as jupiter is placed within that navamsha.Also

this

> is

> > > an intense transit as far as the planet is concerned (exact

> > > navamsha).

> > >

> > > Is this the basis for Samadharmi?

> >

> > ASH : OK. TRANSITS IS A VERY DETAILED TOPIC. IN SHORT I WILL

> TELL U

> > SOMETHING. YOU CAN STUDY HOW ONE WILL FEEL IN A DAY BY USING

> SAV.

> > THERE IS A FULL LESSON JUST EXPLAINING THIS. SO THAT COVERES ONE

> > PORTION OF TRANSITS. THE SECOND PORTION OF TRANSITS IS STUDYING

> > INDIVIDUAL TRANSITS. EACH TRANSIT MEANS DIFFERENT THNINGS BASED

> ON

> > KALPURUSH CHART AND THE NATAL CHART. TRANSIT OF SUN IS MOST

> > IMPORTANT TO TIME EVENTS. SUN IS BOSS OF ALL PLANETS. TRANSIT

OF

> > SHANI AND GURU IS VERY IMPORTANT TO STUDY FINANCES. BEFORE YOU

> GET

> > INTO TRANSITS ONE MUST KNOW CLEARLY THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANETS

> FOR

> > EACH AND EVERY HOUSE. THE POWER OF EACH PLANET.

> > PRADEEP I AM FINDING IT HARD TO COMPRESS 35 LESSONS INTO 1

EMAIL.

> > TRANSITS IS A VERY LOADED TOPIC. I SHALL GIVE U REFERENCES BUT I

> > SUGGEST YOU STUDY ONE THING AT A TIME AND NOT CONFUSE MANY THINGS.

> >

> > RELATION BETWEEN RASHI AND NAVAMSA IS MOST IMPORTANT. AGAIN

THERE

> > ARE LESSONS ON THIS ALSO. THIS IS CO-TIED AND CO-RELATED WITH

> > SAMDHARMI CONCEPT.

> >

> > WHAT IS SAMDHARMI YOU ASK ? ITS AGAIN A LOADED TOPIC. IN SHORT

> WHEN

> > PLANETS ARE IN 4:10 AND UNDER CERTAIN CONDITION I.E. PLANET IN

> 10TH

> > MUST HAVE LESS POINTS I.E. < 4 BINDUS AND PLANET IN 4THF ROM IT

> MUST

> > HAVE MORE THAN 4 POINTS IN THAT CASE THE 2 PLANETS BECOME POWEFUL

> > SAMDHARMIS. PLANETS IN THE SAME SIGN BECOME SAMDHARMI. WHEN SAY

> > GURU IS BETWEEN 3DEG20 TO 6DEG20 IN CANCER THEN THIS GURU WILL

> BECOME

> > SAMDHARMI TO SUN AS IT WILL FALL IN NAVAMSA OF SUN. SO AS YOU

SAY

> > NAVAMSA DEPOSITER IS CONSIDERED. RAHU AND KETU ARE SAMDHARMI TO

> SIGN

> > AND NAKSHATRA LORDS.

> > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS ARE VENUS AND SHANI. MOON AND MARS AND SUN

AND

> > MARS. IF YOU STUDY KEENLY VENUS AND SHANI ARE YOGAKARAKS FOR

EACH

> > OTHERS HOUSES. ALSO IF YOU STUDY MORE CLOSELY THAT VENUS AND

> SHANI

> > ARE IN 5:9 AND 4:10 RELATION BETWEEN HOUSES OWNED BY THE PLANET

> SAME

> > FOR MOON AND MARS AND SUN AND MARS. THEY ARE ALSO YOGAKARAKS.

> >

> > SO LIKE THIS PLANETS CAN BECOME SAMDHAMIRS. FOR THAT THERE ARE 2

> > LESSONS DEDICATED TO EXPALIN THIS CONCEPT.

> >

> > IF A PLANET IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS DUE TO ITS ASPECT ON A

> HOUSE

> > THEN ITS SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN AND DELIVER IT. LIKE THIS THERE

> ARE

> > SOME RULES.

> >

> > GURU IS SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. GURU ALWAYS

> ASPECTS

> > 5TH HOUSE AND 5TH HOSUE IS PRIMARY SIGNFIFICATOR OF THE HOUSE SO

> ITS

> > GENERALLY SAID TO BE SPOILT AS ITSELF CANT GIVE RESULT. SOME

> > SAMDHARNMI WILL GIVE IT. SIMILARLY IN VEDIC TEXTS ITS GIVEN THAT

> > MARS SPOILS THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND SIMILAR LOGIC AS MARS

> ASPECTS

> > 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AGAIN TAHT IS A PRIMARY

> > SIGNIFICCATOR HOUSE SO ITSELF CANT GIVE RESULTS GENERALLY SO ITS

> > SAMDHARMI WILL STEP IN.

> >

> > LESSON 8 AND 25 ARE DEDICATED TO TEACHING THE CONCEPT OF

> SAMDHARMIS.

> > FOR THOSE TO WHO THIS TERM MIGHT BE ALIEN, THIS CONCEPT COVERS SO

> > MANY THINGS WHICH IS LIKE YOGAKARAK, PLANEST PLACED IN SAME SIGN,

> > 4:10 OR I AM NOT SURE BUT IT MAYBE CALLED PARASPARAK OR MUTUAL CO-

> > WORKERS, NAVAMSA DEPOSITER, RAHU/KETU, PLANETS IN SAME

NAKSHATRRA,

> > PLANETS PLACED IN SAME NAVAMSA SO IT MAY COVER THINGS LIKE SAY IF

> 2

> > PLANETS ARE PLACED IN NAV-PANCHAM AND IN EXACT THEN THEY BECOME

> > SAMDHARMI AS THEY WILL COME IN SAME SIGN IN NAVAMSA. LIKE THAT

SO

> > MANY THINGS ARE COVERED. PLEASE READ THE LESSONS AND FOR A

> LEARNED

> > PERSON LIKE YOU, YOU CAN EASILY UNDERSAND IT.

> >

> > >

> > > And i understand ,which planets transit ? will deliver such

> results

> > > has to be understood based on the values and the chart as a

> > > whole.Here the planets role,SAV and the individual points w.r

to

> > > bhavas have a role to play.Am i right?.I am yet to learn the

> basics

> > > behind these.

> > >

> >

> > ASH : WHEN YOU READ THE LESSONS YOU WILL UNDERSERSTAND THAT THE

> KEY

> > TO TIMING OF EVENTS LIES IN UPCHAYA HOUSES. BAV-SAV-WORKSHEET

> > CONSIDER SO MANY FACTORS AND FROM THAT WE GET THE STRENGTH OF

> PLANETS

> > FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE IN NUMERICAL

FORMAT.

> > ONCE U KNOW THE STRENGTH OF THE PLANET THEN LIFE UNFOLDS AS PER

> > VIMSHOTTARI DASHSA STARTING FROM MOON. THIS YOU CAN STUDY AS YOU

> > WILL HAVE THE WORKSHEET WITH YOU AND IN ANY ANTRA YOU CAN EASILY

> SEE

> > HOW A PLANET WHOS ANTRA IS RUNNING WILL ACT FOR ALL 12 HOUSES.

> >

> > IF YOU READ THE LESSONS IT WIL BECOME MORE EASY FOR ME TO EXPLAIN

> > THINGS AS YOU WILL HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OTHERWISE WHAT I AM

> SAYING

> > WILL SOUND GREEK AND LATIN. ON KAS LIST THERE ARE SO MANY CHARTS

> > SOLVED AND IT CAN ALSO GIVE ONE AN UNDERSTANDING ON THE SYSTEM

AND

> > USE OF ASHTAKAVARG.

> >

> > > Now one question,similar to what Chandrashekhar ji has asked -

> Does

> > > this system account for the navamsha rashi relation ,while

> deriving

> > > strengths?

> >

> > ASH : WHEN YOU READ LESSONS 8 AND 25 THIS QUESTION WILL GET

> > RESOLVED. YES ALL RELATIONS ARE CONSIDERED. WHEN YOU FIND

> SAMDHARMI

> > ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED.

> >

> > For example if Jupiter is within capricorn navamsha,while

> > > arriving at strength of jupiter is this point considered?Does

> any

> > > Ashtakavarga system take into account varga positions while

> > arriving

> > > at strength?

> >

> > ASH : ASHTAKAVARGA GIVES STRENGTH OF PLANETS AND WORKSHEET WHICH

> IS

> > DERIVED FROM SAV GIVES COMBINED EFFECT. FOR ALL PLANETS AND FOR

> ALL

> > 12 HOUSES IN NUMERICAL FORMAT. WHEN GURU GOES IUN NAVAMSA OF

> SHANI

> > IT BECOMES SAMDHARMI TO SHANI. IF GURU IS IN SAY FIRST 3DEG20 TO

> > 6DEG40 IN CAPRICORN THEN ITS SAMDHARMI TO GURU AND THE

> MULTIPLICATION

> > FACTOR IS 0.8. THIS PART IS LESSON 27. IF GURU WERE TO BE IN

> CANCER

> > AND BETWEEN 2O AND 23DEG20 THEN IT WILL STILL BE SAMDHARMI TO

> SHANI

> > AS IT WILL BE IN NEECHA STHAN OR IN CAPRICORN IN NAVAMSA BUT IN

> RASHI

> > ITS IN CANCER SO THE MULTIPLICATOIN FACTOR WILL BE 1.4.

> > ASHTAKAVARGA ITSELF IS A SYSTEM TO FIND THE STRENGH OF PLANET.

> ONCE

> > U STUDY WHAT THE FINAL WORKSHEET MEANS THIS QUESTION ON TRYING TO

> > FIND STRENTH USING SIGN PLACMENT WILL NOT BE NEEDED AS

> ASHTAKAVARGA

> > TOOL IS USED TO FIND THE STRENGTH. WITH ASHTAKAVARGA ONE STUDIES

> > EACH PLANET STRENGTH FROM WITH RESPECT TO LAGNA AND 7 PLANEST.

> > SAY GURU IS IN CANCER AND LAGNA IS CANCER SO FROM LAGNA GURU IS

IN

> > 1ST, BUT SAY SUN IS IN 8TH THEN FROM SUN THIS GURU IN CANCER WILL

> BE

> > IN 6TH HOUSE. JU AND MO IN 6:8 RELATION IS ? THEN SAY IF SHANI

IS

> IN

> > 12TH HOUSE THEN GURU AND SHANI ARE IN 2:12 IS THIS GOOD OR NOT

> > DESPITE GURU BEING IN UNCHA STHAN. NOW WHEN U STUDY THE SAME

FROM

> > ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ALL THESE ARE CONSIDERD WHEN THE BAV TO

> SAV

> > IS CAST. ALL SUCH THINGS ARE COVERED INDIRECTLY. THIS GIVES THE

> > STRENGTH OF PLANEST WHICH IS USED TO TIME EVENTS. YOU CAN THEN

> ADD

> > THE LAYER OF SIGN PLACMENT WHICH IS GIVEN IN LESSON 27 BUT THIS

IS

> > NOT NEEDED TO TIME EVNETS. SIGN PLACMENT GIVES US THE BACKING

THE

> > PLANET HAS FROM THE SIGN. IF GURU IS CANCER THEN THERE THE

> > MULTIPLICATON FACTOR IS 1.4 SO IT MEANS THAT GURU HAS 140%

BACKING

> > FROM SIGN. SO IF GURU IS SAY IN 4TH HOUSE FOR SAY ARIES LAGNA

AND

> > ITS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS THEN IT WILL BE VERY VERY EAGER TO GIVE

> > MARRIAGE. NOW IF THE DELAY PERIOD IS OVER AND IF GURUS ANTRA

> COMES

> > THEN MARRIAGE WILL HAPPEN.

> > SAY IF GURU IS IN CAPRICORN AND AQUARIUS IS LAGNA. THEN THIS

GURU

> IS

> > IN 12TH HOSUE AND IF SUCH A GURU IS WITH SAY 6 BINDUS AND ANTRA

OF

> > GURU COMES THEN THIS GURU WILL BECOME VERY EAGER TO GIVE MARRIAGE

> > DESPITE BEING IN CAPROCORN.

> > NOW GURU IS IN CAPROCORN SO THE RESULTS WILL BE FELT WITH A

> > MULTIPLICAON FACTOR OF 0.8.

> > I DONT KNOW IF ALL THIS MAKES SENSE TO YOU BUT IF U GO THROUGH

THE

> > LESSONS ALL THIS WILL MAKE SENSE TO YOU AS U WILL HAVE SOME

> > CONTINUITY.

> >

> > Or does it mean, strength of a planet vis-a-vis

> > > temporal/natural relationships has to be understood/evaluated

> > > outside the relams of ashtakavarga, and then ashtakavarga

> > principles

> > > have to applied on top.

> > >

> >

> > ASH : WHEN USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A SYSTEM I.E. KRUSHNAS

> ASHTAKAVARGA

> > SYSTEM THEN ONE SHOULD USE FULL SYSTEM. THE SYSTEM USES GRAHA

> > DRISTI, ALL VARGAS, ASHTAKAVARGA AND ALL THE THINGS THAT U CALL

> VEDIC

> > ASTROLOGY. BUT THERE ARE SOME RULES THAT ONE MUST UNDERSTAND AND

> > THEORY OF KAS AND HOW UPCHAYA HOUSES IS USED TO TIME EVENTS.

> >

> > > Kindly explain.

> > >

> >

> > ASH : I HAVE TRIED MY BEST TO EXPLAIN. THERE ARE 35 LESSONS AND

> YOU

> > HAVE ASKED ME UNKNOWINGLY TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS TO YOU IN 1 MAIL

> LOL...

> > I HAVE TRIED. JUST KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND READ THE LESSONS.

> >

> > THE LESSONS ARE FOUND IN THE FILE SECTION IN

> >

> > /

> >

> > PLEASE READ THEM AND I AM SURE YOU WILL UNDERTAND IT AND WILL BE

> ABLE

> > TO TIME EVENTS VERY NICELY. IF NOT IT WILL STILL IN THE LEAST

> SHOW

> > YOU AND REMOVE THIS MISCONCEPTION THAT ASHTAKAVARGA CAN BE USED

> FOR

> > TRANSITS AND TIMING LONGEVITY ONLY.

> >

> > I HOPE THIS MAIL HELPS.

> >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Ash <ashsam73>

> wrote:

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > There is no contradiction. Maybe in your confused state you

> are

> > > making such assumptions.

> > > >

> > > > Firstly as you are very well aware that the chart must be

> looked

> > > as a whole. For that you consider all parameters and for that

> you

> > > have the entire worksheet. That gives the total strength which

> I

> > > have given for Sa = 10 and Ju = 11. Individual points of Sa =

1

> > and

> > > Ju = 5. These points are obtained in the SAV by Ju and Sa.

> > > Worksheet is derived from SAV. This part I do not think you

> will

> > > understand unless you study the method that is used to derive

> the

> > > entire worksheet. This part is not given in any book and that

> is

> > > what I mention so it will be beyond your comphrehension for

> now. I

> > > have given the website of Krushnaji and you can download the

> > > worksheet and study it and let me know.

> > > >

> > > > Now You have talked of logic of Sa = 1 and Ju = 5 but what

> about

> > > aspects ? What about 6th lord, What about aspects on Sa and

Ju,

> > > what about if Sa and Ju rule any upchaya houses and the special

> > > consideratoins ?

> > > >

> > > > Have u just seen one points and came to conclusion that Ju is

> > > stronger than Sa ?

> > > >

> > > > If so then its the system that you use is causing all

> confusion

> > > and that 2 people using same technique of finding out strength

> are

> > > coming to different conclusions ?

> > > >

> > > > The strength given in the final worksheet will determin how

> the

> > > planets will deliver their results for all houses.

> > > >

> > > > If Guru is in say 3deg20 to 6deg40 in cancer it will become

> > > samdharmi to Sun in navamsa. So such a guru can step in for

Sun

> if

> > > sun is unable to deliver the results.

> > > >

> > > > I agree with you. The system you are using to find strength

> > there

> > > is no consistency. Someone studies the same chart and will say

> > that

> > > Ju is stronger than Sa and someone else will Say that Sa is

> > stronger

> > > than Ju. There is too many contradiction that exist in the

> system

> > > you study.

> > > >

> > > > Ashtakvarga has removed all these contradiction as the each

> > planet

> > > is studied from 8 different angles.

> > > >

> > > > In the end I will say that its Parasara who said that

> > Ashtakavarga

> > > is to be used by us people in Kali Yuga.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > I am now more confused than ever. You said " AS PER KAS ITS

> > BETTER

> > > TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN THEIR NEECHA STHAN AS 3

> > > PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A PLANET IS WEAK FOR 1

> HOUSE

> > > THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3 OTHER HOUSES

> STRONG

> > > AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE THEM STRONG. SO

> OVERALL

> > > ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP AND BECOME MORE THAN

> > 12.".

> > > So by this logic would not Saturn who has only one point be

> > stronger

> > > than Jupiter who has 4 points?

> > > > If you are using Vimshottary Dashas as you stated, then to

the

> > > best of my understanding Planets who are Neecha give more of

> their

> > > malefic nature results than had they been in Uccha. Is a

> different

> > > Vimshottary dasha system being used here? Again you say that

> > > strength of Navamsha and Rasi are equal in your system. Vedic

> > > Jyotish tells us that Navamsha strength overrules Rasi

strength.

> > For

> > > example a planet exalted in Rasi but debilitated in Navamsha

can

> > > only give results as if debilitated and one debilitated in Rasi

> if

> > > exalted in Navamsha shall give results as if exalted. Since the

> > > system is totally different from what is known as Vedic Jyotish

> in

> > > the parameters used, I do not think we can agree to the way we

> look

> > > at the strengths of planets. There are many such contradictions

> and

> > > I am only pointing out two of them as illustrations.

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Ash wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > My answers in CAPS.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > I did not use Ashtakavarga to indicate timing of events at

all

> > but

> > > only to illustrate a point from a different angle. My intention

> was

> > > to illustrate that Jupiter's position has not strengthened the

> > Bhava

> > > under consideration. If I remember right even that was in

> response

> > > to somebody's response mentioning Ashtakavarga Points.

> > > >

> > > > ASH : I AM ALSO ILLUSTRATING THE POINTS BUT FROM THE VIEW

> POINT

> > OF

> > > ASHTAKVARGA OR ONE CAN SAY THAT I AM USING THE TOOL OF

> ASHTAKVARGA

> > > TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. IF YOU SAY THAT BASED ON

> THE

> > > RELATIVE POSITIONING OF GURU AND SHANI YOU HAVE COMPARED THE

> > > STRENGTH OF BOTH AND THE END RESULT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT GURU

> IS

> > > WEAKER THAN SHANI THEN FROM THE ASHTAKVARGA VIEW POINT ITS NOT

> > > MATCHING. SINCE ASHTAKVARGA IS CONSIDERING ALL PLANETS WITH

> > RESPECT

> > > TO EACH OTHER AND ALSO FROM LAGNA USING ASHTAVARGA AS A TOOL I

> DO

> > > NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. SAV TAKES CARE OF THAT FROM ALL

8

> > > ANGLES.

> > > >

> > > > I fail to understand how strength is on the one hand

> calculated

> > on

> > > placement of bindus are considered to be the final strengths

and

> in

> > > the same breath said to be arrived at based on a system which

> takes

> > > into consideration Navamsha strengths. Again how can a system

> that

> > > considers Navamsha strength for only a specific purpose like

> > delays

> > > be said to apply all the principles of Vedic astrology?

> > > >

> > > > ASH : THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM.

THE

> > > FINAL STRENGTH IS DERIVED FROM SAV AS THE BASE. THE WHOLE

> SYSTEM

> > OF

> > > TIMING IS USING UPCHAYA HOUSES, ASPECTS ON PLANET AND PRIMARY

> > > SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE, 4:10 RELATIONSHIPS, WE DO NOT CONSIDER

> BENEFIC

> > > ASPECT OF 6TH LORD OR 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND SPECIAL

> > > CONSIDERATION TO 10TH LORD FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND ALSO 6TH

> FROM

> > > HOUSE UNDER FOCUS (IN SHORT UPCAHYA HOUSES). THIS IS ALL DONE

> TO

> > > THE SAV POINTS. SO THE FINAL POINTS THAT ONE GETS AND JUST TO

> > > CLARIFY WHICH IS THE WORKSHEET THAT I HAD REPRODUCED ON ALL THE

> > > STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE WHERE YOU CAN

> SEE

> > > THE STRENGTH AT A GLANCE IS FINALLY ARRIVED AT. THAT IS THE

> FINAL

> > > STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. BASED ON THIS STRENGTH YOU CAN USE IT

> > ALONG

> > > WITH VIMSHOTTARI DASHA STARTING FROM MOON ONLY WILL GIVE HOW

THE

> > > ANTRA WILL DELIVER RESULTS FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT YOU CAN SEE

> AT

> > A

> > > GLANCE. I BELEIVE YOU ALSO AGREE THAT THE ANY ANTRA WORKS FOR

> ALL

> > > 12 HOUSES

> > > > AT THE SAME TIME MAYBE GIVING GOOD RESAULT FOR SOME HOUSES

> AND

> > > MAYBE MALEFIC FOR SOME OTHER.

> > > >

> > > > THIS WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO HONE INTO WHEN I ASKED YOU

> FOR

> > > WHICH HOUSE IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR ? FOR 7TH HOUSE

> ALSO

> > > BOTH HAVE LESS THAN 12 POINTS SO BOTH ARE NOT CONDUSIVE TO 12TH

> > > HOSUE MATTERS HOWEVER IF U COMPARE BOTH GURU IS STRONGER THAN

> SHANI

> > > FOR 7TH HOSUE MATTERS. FOR 10TH HOUSE MATTERS GURU IS FAR

> STRONGER

> > > THAN SHANI. I WILL REVERT TO THE POINTS MISCONCEPTION BELOW.

> > > >

> > > > Is the confusion on account of trying to analyze timing of

> events

> > > vis-a-vis the strengths of Bhavas and the Grahas? Or is it due

> to

> > my

> > > inability to convey my meaning or understanding yours?

> > > >

> > > > ASH : HOW WOULD YOU TIME ANY EVENT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE

> > > STRENGTH. AS PER MY UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE USING ANY SYSTEM TRY

> TO

> > > FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET. YOU CAN STUDY IT FROM SHAD

> > BAL,

> > > YOU CAN STUDY IF ITS ATMAKARAK OR DARAKARAK ETC ETC THEN STUDY

> ITS

> > > AVASTHA ETC ETC THE YOGS ITS MAKING, IF ITS YOGAKARAKA, OR

> MAKING

> > > ANY MAHAYOGA ETC, STUDY IT FROM SUN/MOON/LAGNA/HL/GL/BL/AK/AL

> ETC

> > > ETC.. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT SOME HOW OR THE OTHER ONE

> > > PERSON WHO IS STUDYING THE CHART IS TRYING TO GAUGE IF THIS

> PLANETS

> > > STRENGTH TO SEE IF THE PLANET WILL DELIVER THE RESULT. SOME

> CALL

> > IT

> > > FRUTIFICATION OF YOGAS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY ONE PERSON

IS

> > > TRYING TO GAUGE BY FINDING OUT THE BAL IF THE PLANET WILL GIVE

> THE

> > > RESULT. THAT IS WHAT I CALL TIMING. PERSON ASK WHEN WILL MY

> DEBT

> > > GET OVER ? WHEN WILL I MARRY ? WHEN WILL I HAVE CHILDREN ?

WHEN

> > > WILL MY HEALTH CRISIS GET OVER ? AND SO MANY SUCH QUESTIONS ARE

> > > POSED. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR TIMING OF EVENTS.

> > > >

> > > > WITH KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM I AM FINDING OUT THE

> STRENGTH

> > > USING ASHTAKAVARGA IN A FULL SYSTEM. WHEN I SAY A SYSTEM I

MEAN

> I

> > > AM USING VIMSHOTTARI DASHA, UPCHAYA HOUSES, SAV, BAV, PAV,

> > TRANSITS,

> > > CERTAIN SPECIAL LAWS LIKE GURU IN LIBRA, VENUS IN KRITTIKA,

> AADRA,

> > > MOOLA, JAYESHTA, SUN TO VENUS DISTANCE, SOME RULES ON SAV AND

> THEN

> > > FINALLY I GO THROUGH A TEDIOUS PROCESS OF CASTING THE WORKSHEET

> > > WHICH I HAD DISPLAYED WHICH USES SAV AS THE BASE AND FROM THAT

> THE

> > > THINGS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED SUCH AS 4:10 REPLATIONSHIPS,

> ASPECTS

> > > ON PLANETS, ASPECTS ON PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES, BENEFIC

> ASPECT

> > > ADJUSTMENT FOR 6TH LORD AND 12TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND

ALSO

> > > PLANETS IN UPCHAYA'S WITH > 4 BINDUS ETC. AFTER THAT I COME TO

> THE

> > > FINAL STRENGTH OF THE PLANET. AS PER KAS NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL

> STATUS

> > > AS COMPARED TO RASI. THEN WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF FINDING

> > > SAMDHARMI. WHAT YOU WOULD CALL, NAVAMSA DEPOISTER, NATURAL

> > > SAMDHARMIS I.E. VENUS AND SHANI , MOON AND MARS, SUN AND MARS.

> I

> > > BELEIVE

> > > > THESE ARE CALLED YOGAKARAKS FOR EACH OTHERS CHART. 4:10 IS

> THE

> > > MOST POWEFUL SAMDHARMI WHERE IF PLANET IN 10TH HAS < 4 BINDUS

> AND

> > > PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT HAS > 4 BINDUS. LIKE THIS ITS A WHOLE

> > > SYSTEM. EACH AND EVERY FACTOR IS CONSIDERED.

> > > >

> > > > THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS NOT EXISITING IN PHALDIPIKA, BPHS, TEXTS

> BY

> > > VARHARMIRA OR ANY OTHER SCHOLAR DESPITE ALL TEXTS MENTIONING

> > > VERSES. EVEN SOME VERSES ARE MISSING THAT WAS GIVEN BY

> KRUSHNAJI

> > IN

> > > HIS WRITEUP.

> > > >

> > > > WHAT YOU HAD SAID THAT ASHTAKVARGA DOES NOT CONSIDER SIGN

> > > PLACEMENT IS ALSO A PART OF THE ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM. HOWEVER WE

> DO

> > > NOT NEED IT TO TIME EVENTS. WE USE WHATS CALLED THE

> MULTIPLICATION

> > > FACTOR TABLE FOR EXAMPLE MERCURY IN VIRGO HAS MULTIPLCAITON

> FACFTOR

> > > OF 1.4 AND SO DOES GURU IN CANCER. SUCH THINGS GIVE US FURTHER

> > > CLARITY ON HOW THE RESULT WILL "FEEL" BUT IS NOT NEEDED TO TIME

> > > EVENT.

> > > >

> > > > THIS IS WHAT I CALL A FULL SYSTEM AND I KEEP SAYING THAT SO

> MUCH

> > > OF ALL THIS IS GONE / VANISHED FROM THE ANTIENT TEXTS. I HOPE

> NOW

> > U

> > > WILL UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BY WHATS AVAILABLE ON ASHTAKAVARGA IS

> A

> > > FRACTION AND ITS USE AS A SYSTEM IS NOT THERE AT ALL IN ANY

> TEXTS

> > > FOR TIMING OF EVENTS.

> > > >

> > > > THIS IS WHAT I KEPT SAYING THAT THIS SYSTEM MUST HAVE EXISTED

> IN

> > > ANTIENT TEXTS WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH

> WAS

> > > TAUGHT BY HIS GURU AND WAS KEPT IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE.

> > > >

> > > > You are perhaps talking about Prastarashtakvarga when you say

> > BAV,

> > > since in BAV I do not think a planet's BAV can get 10 or 11

> bindus

> > > in that you mention in any Bhava. The maximum that might be

> > > received would be around 7. Use of prastarashtkavarga is for

> > > movement of transit planet in that planet's kakshya and the

> number

> > > of bindus received from the planet makes him a bindu pradata.

> > > >

> > > > ASH : NO I AM NOT TALKING OF PRASTARASHTAKAVARGA. I DID

> ALLUDE

> > TO

> > > THAT IN MY MAIL TO LAKSHMI. WHEN I TOLD HER THAT ONLY VENUS

WAS

> > > GIVING HIS FAVOURABLE VOTE TO SHANI OR SHANI WAS MAKING A

> > FAVOURABLE

> > > WITH VENUS. SIMILARLY I WENT INTO FURHER DETAIL TO EXPLAIN

THAT

> > > GURU GETS 5 BINDUS AND WHICH OF THE 5 PLANET/LAGNA WAS

> SUPPORTING.

> > > I WAS NOT MEANING TO GO INTO THIS MUCH DETAIL BUT SUCH THINGS

> ARE

> > > USED TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL. THE 10 AND 11 BINDUS IS THE

> TOTAL

> > > POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET AS THE FINAL STRENGH OF THE PLANET

WHICH

> IS

> > > CALCUALTED AS I HAVE MENTIONED ABOVE I.E KEEPING SAV AS THE

BASE

> > AND

> > > THEN USING THE ASPECTS, 6TH LORDS, ASPECT ON PALNET ETC ETC.

> THE

> > > FINAL STRENGTH AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS TEDIOUS PROCESS WERE

THE

> > > POINTS I HAVE WRITTEN. THIS IS THE FINAL STRENGTH OF ALL 7

> PLANETS

> > > FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THE FINAL STRENGTHS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES

> AND

> > > ANYTHING LESS THAN 12 MEANS MALEFIC AND GREATER THAN 12 MEANS

> > > BENEFIC. 12 IS NEUTRAL. IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSAND THE ENTIRE

> > > > PROCESS IN WHICH I CAME TO THE 11 AND 10 POINTS FOR GURU AND

> > > SHANI FOR 7TH HOUSE I WILL REVERT IN A SEPERATE MAIL OR WILL

> REFER

> > > YOU TO THE APPROPRIATE TEXTS.

> > > >

> > > > I did not want to get into an argument where two different

> > systems

> > > are being used.

> > > >

> > > > ASH : I AM NOT ARGUING I AM DISCUSSING. I AM TAKING YOUR

EACH

> > > POINT AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN MY VIEW POINT. SO PLEASE DO NOT

> > > CONSIDER THIS AS AN ARGUMENT AT ALL. I HOPE OTHERS WHO ARE

> READING

> > > WILL ALSO LEARN FROM THIS AND THE EFFORT.

> > > >

> > > > However if you want to consider strengths on the basis of

> number

> > > of Bindus given by a Planet then would it not be relevant that

> > > Jupiter can get 56 Bindus whereas Saturn only 39 ?

> > > >

> > > > ASH : GURU IS A BENEFIC WHY ? WHY IS SHANI CALLED A

MALEFIC ?

> IF

> > > YOU STUDY IT FROM ASHTAKAVARGA VIEW POINT ITS ALL IN NUMERICAL

> > > VALUE. GURU HAS BEEN ALLOCATED 56 BINDUS AND SHANI AND MARS

> HAVE

> > > BEEN ALLOCATED 39 BINDUS ONLY. IT MEANS THAT GURU CAN MAKE

MORE

> > > FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO SHANI AND MARS. SO WE CAN SAY

> GURU

> > > IS BENEFIC AS 7 PLANETS AND LAGANAS WILL DISTRIBUTE 56 POINTS

SO

> > > MORE CHANCES OF GURU TO MAKE FAVOURABLE YOGS AS COMPARED TO

> SHANI

> > > AND MARS. EACH AND EVERYTHING HAS MEANING. SUN HAS 48

> POINTS.

> > > MAX POINTS A HOUSE CAN RECEIVE IS 96 AND SUN RECEIVES 48 SO ITS

> > > CALLED KRUR OR YOU CAN SAY ALSO ON BORDERLINE.

> > > >

> > > > Would this then mean that a debilitated Jupiter will be

> stronger

> > > than exalted Saturn in a hypothetical horoscope and still that

> > would

> > > be application of principles of Vedic Astrology? I would not

> think

> > > so.

> > > >

> > > > ASH : FOR TIMING OF EVENTS ITS IMMETERIAL WHERE GURU IS

PLACED

> IN

> > > WHICH SIGN AND WHERE SHANI IS PLACED. HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE.

> YOU

> > > ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET USING SIGN

> > PLACEMENT

> > > AND AS PER ASHTAKVARGA I DONT NEED TO CONSIDER THAT FOR TIMING

> OF

> > > EVENT. YES SHANI BEING PLACED IN LIBRA HAS MULTIPLICATION

> FACTOR

> > OF

> > > 1.4 AND GURU IN CAPRICORN HAS MULTIPLCATION FACTOR OF 0.8. BUT

> > > AGAIN TO TIME AN EVENT I AM EMPHASISING THAT YOU DO NOT NEED

THE

> > > SIGN PLACEMENT BUT INSTEAD YOU NEED THE FINAL POINTS IN THE

> > > WORKSHEET. THAT IS ENOUGH TO TIME THE EVENT.

> > > >

> > > > MAYBE YOU HAVE NOT COME ACROSS A SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT USE THE

> > SAME

> > > PRINCIPLES TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET THE WAY YOU USE

IT.

> SO

> > > YOU MAY FIND THIS DIFFERENT OR I CAN EVEN SAY SHOCKING. YOU DO

> NOT

> > > NEED THE SIGN PLACEMENT TO JUDGE THE STRENGTH, ASHTAKAVARGA

> > STRENGTH

> > > IS WHATS NEEDED.

> > > >

> > > > PEOPLE USING SIGN PLACEMENTS MAY INVARIABLY COME TO DIFFERENT

> > > CONCULUSIONS JUST AS IN THE CASE THAT YOU AND LAKSHAMI CAME

TO.

> > ONE

> > > SAYS GURU IS STRONGER AND OTHER SAYS SHANI IS STRONGER. WITH

> > > ASHTAKVARGA ITS ALL SHOWN BY NUMBERS AND THERE WILL NOT BE ANY

> > > ANOMOLY. ALL WILL COME TO THE SAME CONCULUSION.

> > > >

> > > > EITHER I AM NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OR YOU

> ARE

> > > NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM SAYING.

> > > >

> > > > AS PER KAS ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS WITH < 4 POINTS AND IN

> > THEIR

> > > NEECHA STHAN AS 3 PLANETS OF THE 7 HAVE 3 SIGHTS. SO IF A

> PLANET

> > IS

> > > WEAK FOR 1 HOUSE THEN IT WILL SEND BENEFIC DRISTI TO AND MAKE 3

> > > OTHER HOUSES STRONG AND IF PLANETS ARE IN IT IT WILL ALSO MAKE

> THEM

> > > STRONG. SO OVERALL ALL POINTS IN THE WORKSHEET WILL SHOOT UP

> AND

> > > BECOME MORE THAN 12.

> > > >

> > > > IF PLANETS HAVE > 5 BINDUS THEN THE WILL SEND MALEFIC

DRISTI.

> > > GURU HAS 56 BINDUS AND GENERALLY IF U DIVIDED THAT BY 12 EACH

> HOUSE

> > > GETS APPROX 5 BINDUS. SO MOSTLY GURU HAS > 4 BINDUS IN CHART.

> SO

> > > SUCH GURU WILL MAKE 1 HOUSE STRONG HOWEVER IT WILL REDUCE 3

> > HOUSES.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Ash wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > My answers in CAPS.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > Even by your method of assessing strength from Rasi

placement,

> > > Saturn is stronger is it not?

> > > >

> > > > ASH : PLEASE REFER TO THE POST GIVEN BELOW. I HAD WRITTEN A

> POST

> > > JUST AFTER AND HAVE SAID THAT IT WAS A TYPO. GURU HAS 11

POINTS

> > AND

> > > SHANI HAS 10. YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE WORKSHEET I HAD

GIVEN.

> > > BOTH OF THEM ARE MALEFIC FOR 7TH HOUSE MATTERS. BOTH JU AND SA

> ON

> > > THEIR OWN CANNOT SAY GIVE MARRIAGE A 7TH HOUSE MATTER IN THEIR

> > ANTAR.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology/message/44680

> > > >

> > > > The original thread had nothing to do with timing of events

> which

> > > you are reverting time and again.

> > > >

> > > > ASH : AGREED. BUT YOU DID USE ASHTAKVARG AND I AM GIVING MY

> VIEW

> > > POINT BASED ON ASHTAKAVARGA ON THE BAL OF GURU AND SHANI FOR

7TH

> > > HOUSE AND NOT ONLY 7TH HOUSE BUT FOR ALL HOUSE. I HAVE ALSO

> GONE

> > > AHEAD AND MADE A PREDICTION ON MARRIAGE AND HOW GURU WILL ACT

> AND

> > > SHANI TOO AS A PART OF MY ANALYSIS. I BELEIVE THE PROOF OF THE

> > > PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING THAT IS WHY I MADE A PREDICTION ON

> > MARRIAGE

> > > SO THAT ITS JUST NOT THEORY BUT ITS APPLICATION. NOW I DO NOT

> KNOW

> > > HOW MUCH OF WHAT I HAVE PREDICTED IS CORRECT OR WRONG. BUT IN

> MY

> > > OPINION THE WORKSHEET I HAVE GIVEN HAS CONSIDERED ALL FACTORS

> THAT

> > > IS NECESSARY AS A TOOL TO TIME EVENTS.

> > > >

> > > > Since, as I had said earlier, the method you are using is

> based

> > on

> > > Ashtakavarga being used to derive strength of planets my

> comments

> > on

> > > your arguments would not be fair.

> > > >

> > > > ASH : ANY WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT IT OR USING ANY TOOL GIVEN BY

> THE

> > > MAHARISHIS AS PER SO MANY TEXTS AND BY MANY AUTHORS THE END

> RESULT

> > > SHOULD COME OUT TO BE SAME.

> > > >

> > > > I have all along been illustrating what is the position per

> Vedic

> > > Astrology. I have already given the reasons why Saturn is with

> > > strength.

> > > >

> > > > ASH : I HAVE ALSO USED VEDIC ASTROLOGY. ASHTAKVARGA IS A

> > > WONDERFUL TOOL TO ASCERTAIN THE STRENGTH OF A PLANET WITHOUT

ANY

> > > DOUBTS. ITS FINAL RESULTS ARE IN NUMERICAL VALUES AND IS

> CRYSTAL

> > > CLEAR.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > THANKING YOU,

> > > >

> > > > CHEERS !!!

> > > >

> > > > ASH

> > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > So when you said Shani is stronger then Guru you had meant

for

> > 7th

> > > > house only ? Is my understanding correct.

> > > >

> > > > As per the worksheet both Shani and Guru are weak for 7th

> house

> > > for

> > > > Ramesh. Shani has 11 points and Guru has 10. As per the

> > > worksheet

> > > > any planet having less than 12 is weak for the house. 12 is

> > > neutral

> > > > and greater than 12 is benefic. Now if you were to get down

> to

> > > nitty

> > > > gritty then I would say that Guru is stronger than Shani by 1

> > > point.

> > > >

> > > > Guru is in namvasa of Aries and hence samdharmi to Mars and

> mars

> > > is

> > > > not condusive to 7th house matters being 6th lord. Shani is

> in

> > > libra

> > > > who is Lord of 12th house and primary upchaya for 7th house.

> > > Venus

> > > > and Shani are natural samdharmi.

> > > >

> > > > Both Sa and Ju are not condusive for timing of events for 7th

> > > house.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > <boxdel>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > I was referring to your statement that verses not found in

> any

> > > > book.

> > > > > The reason that this is not clear to you is perhaps we are

> > > > wandering

> > > > > from original thread. For example you are talking about

Guru

> > > being

> > > > > stronger for 10th house where as if I remember right, the

> > thread

> > > > started

> > > > > about Jupiter being strong for 7th house as per Lakshmi's

> > > > assessment.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ash wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The fact still remains. The BAV scheme given by Parasara

> is

> > > > different

> > > > > > from Varharamira. This is one point and this is

factual.

> > One

> > > of

> > > > them

> > > > > > is corrupt. I am saying the scheme Parasara has given

has

> > > become

> > > > > > corrupt over time. The scheme Varharmira has given has

> been

> > > > preserved

> > > > > > in time. The two schemes cannot be different.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not clear to which point you are alluding when you

> say

> > > that

> > > > my

> > > > > > information about Parasara and Varharmira is not

factual.

> > The

> > > > BAV

> > > > > > scheme given by Parasara is different from Varharamira.

> This

> > > was

> > > > > > visible in Ramesh's chart when you said using parasarsa

> BAV

> > > > scheme

> > > > > > when 7th bhava got 19 bindus and using Varharmiras BAV

> scheme

> > > it

> > > > comes

> > > > > > to 20. I am not going into other books. The point that

I

> am

> > > > > > emphasising is that BAV scheme given by Parasara or

> > Varharmira

> > > or

> > > > any

> > > > > > other maharishi cannot be different.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ashtakvarga has been commented on by many maharishis as

> you

> > > have

> > > > given

> > > > > > but the system of timing of events using Ashtakavarga is

> not

> > > > given

> > > > > > which I beleive was a part of Vedic Astrology was saved

> with

> > > some

> > > > > > families and not known to the world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > About the part with which the discussion started is what

I

> > > agree

> > > > with

> > > > > > you. There is a part of what Noname is also saying that

I

> > > agree

> > > > with

> > > > > > however I beleive that Guru spoils the house its placed

in

> > due

> > > to

> > > > its

> > > > > > aspect on primary significator houses. By saying Spoilt

I

> > > mean

> > > > it

> > > > > > will not give the result in his antra. Also Guru is

> > > generally

> > > > with

> > > > > > more than 5 bindus. Rarely its with < 4 bindus. The

more

> > > > powerful

> > > > > > Guru is the more damage it will do by its aspect. For

> Libra

> > > > lagna and

> > > > > > Cancer lagna Guru is 6th lord and will be very malefic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the chart given by No Names grand father also he

> commented

> > > > that his

> > > > > > grand father has Guru in lagna who is powerful and he

took

> > > > sansaya

> > > > > > after early widohood. Again here a powerful guru is

> showing

> > > its

> > > > > > malefic aspect on 7th house. Again guru in lagna made no

> > > names

> > > > father

> > > > > > a famous and person as he was known for his knowledge on

> > > > samaveda.

> > > > > > Noname has not commented on the effect it had on 9th and

> 5th

> > > > house but

> > > > > > if his guru is very powerful. I am also not aware what

> the

> > > lagna

> > > > is

> > > > > > but this can be the sign of a powerful guru in lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > It is good that you at least agree that "GURU ALWAYS

> > > ASPECTS

> > > > 5TH

> > > > > > HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND ITS A PRIMARY

> > > > SIGNIFICATOR

> > > > > > HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT GIVE RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS

> > > PLACED IN

> > > > > > GENERALLY."

> > > > > > This is the point from which the original discussions

> > > started.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For your information much detailed interpretation of

> > events

> > > > > > (Beyond what is explained in BPHS,a although based on

> the

> > > > > > principles therein) by Ashtakavarga is available in

> > > > Phaladeepika,

> > > > > > Jataka Parijata, Jatakadesh Marg and umpteen other

> > > > astrological

> > > > > > texts. So your information about only Parashara and

> > Varaha

> > > > Mihira

> > > > > > is not factual.

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ash wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >> Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> My answers in CAPS.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Dear Ash,

> > > > > >> Ashtakavarga system is based on Bindus allotted

> to

> > > > particular

> > > > > >> houses for each of the planet with respect to

its

> > > > position

> > > > > >> from the planet whose Ashtakavarga is being

drawn.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ASH : YES AGREED.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> The system you are using is based on considering

> the

> > > > > >> strengths of planets and the Bhavas too. This is

> the

> > > > system

> > > > > >> generally referred as Parashari or more

precisely

> > > Hora

> > > > system

> > > > > >> which also encompasses the Ashtakavarga system.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ASH : ASHTAKVARGA IS A PART AND PARCLE OF VEDIC

> > > > ASTROLOGY AND

> > > > > >> THAT IS WHAT I HAVE ALSO SAID. I HAVE SAID THAT

> THE

> > > > SYSTEM

> > > > > >> TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT GIVEN IN TEXTS AVAILABLE

> > > TODAY.

> > > > REST

> > > > > >> CLARIFICAITON BELOW.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Ashtakavarga is primarily used to find out

> effects

> > > from

> > > > > >> Transit of planets and longevity as made clear in

> > > > > >> conversat/i/on/ /between Maitreya and sage

> Parashara

> > > in

> > > > BPHS.

> > > > > >> Ashtakavarga system is clearly defined in that

> text.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ASH : THIS IS WHAT THE MISCONCEPTION IS. BASED

> ON

> > > THE

> > > > TEXTS

> > > > > >> AVAILABLE TODAY. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT

> > ASHTAKVARG

> > > IS

> > > > USED

> > > > > >> ONLY FOR FINDING OUT TRANSIT. IS THAT WHY

> PARASARA

> > > HAS

> > > > SAID

> > > > > >> THAT TO USE ASHTAKAVARGA FOR INTELLECUTAL

PYGMIES

> OF

> > > > KALIYUGA

> > > > > >> ? I DO NOT THINK SO SIR. THE SYSTEM OF

> ASHTAKVARGA

> > > IS

> > > > VERY

> > > > > >> DETAILED AND KAS AND VERSES OF ASHTAKAVARGA HAVE

> > BEEN

> > > > BROUGHT

> > > > > >> FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH ARE NOT FOUND IN ANY

> BOOK

> > > > TODAY.

> > > > > >> IF YOU CLAIM THAT BHPS IS COMPLETE AND THAT ALL

> THAT

> > > IS

> > > > > >> AVAILABLE ABOUT ASHTAKVARGA IS FOUND AND CODED

> AND

> > > THERE

> > > > IS

> > > > > >> NO CORRUPTION THEN I WILL NOT INDULGE YOU ANY

> > > FURTHER.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> No doubt the system can be adopted to various

> other

> > > > > >> predictions, as it indicates influences on

> various

> > > > bhavas.

> > > > > >> Its various uses have been well documented in

> > > numerous

> > > > texts

> > > > > >> besides BPHS and the very short description of

> > > > Varahamihira.

> > > > > >> The assumption that its use is not mentioned for

> > > > different

> > > > > >> uses in any other text but the two you mentioned

> is

> > > not

> > > > > >> factually correct.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS USING

ASHTAKVARGA

> IS

> > > NOT

> > > > > >> GIVEN CLEARLY IS IN ANY TEXTS. THAT IS WHAT I

AM

> > > > SAYING.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Krushna has developed different parameters and

as

> > > long

> > > > as the

> > > > > >> system delivers results there should be no issue

> > with

> > > > that.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ASH : HERE I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT KRUSHNAJI

HAS

> NOT

> > > > > >> DEVELOPED DIFFERENT PARAMETERS AND THIS SYSTEM.

> HE

> > > HAD

> > > > > >> BROUGHT IT FORWARD. THIS SYSTEM WAS KEPT IN

> FAMILY

> > > OF

> > > > HIS

> > > > > >> GURU AND THAT WAS TRANSMITTED FROM FATHER TO

> SON.

> > > > KRUSHNAJI

> > > > > >> WANTED THIS SYSTEM TO REMAIN IN THIS WORLD.

THIS

> > > SYSTEM

> > > > MUST

> > > > > >> HAVE BEEN IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE FOR CENTURIES.

IF

> ONE

> > > > > >> UNDERSTANDS THIS SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS MAYBE

WHAT

> > AND

> > > > WHY I

> > > > > >> AM INDULDING YOU IN THIS THREAD WILL BECOME

> CLEAR.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> It is easy to say that Parashara and

> Varahamihira's

> > > > texts

> > > > > >> are corrupted, and they could be. But that does

> not

> > > prove

> > > > > >> that the bindus used are wrong especially as

most

> of

> > > > other

> > > > > >> parameters that you mention are drawn from these

> > very

> > > > texts.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ASH : THE SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING

> > > ASHTAKAVARGA

> > > > IS

> > > > > >> NOT DIFFERENT FROM VEDIC ASTROLOGY. INFACT

VEDIC

> > > > ASTROLOGY

> > > > > >> IS MADE CLEAR WITH THE PROPER USE OF

ASHTAKAVARGA

> > AND

> > > > KAS. I

> > > > > >> DO NOT THINK PARASARA LIGHTLY MENTIONED THE USE

OF

> > > > > >> ASHTAKAVARGA FOR US PEOPLE IN KALI YUGA. A LOT

OF

> > > > > >> ASHTAKVARGA AND SANSKRIT SHLOKAS HAVE BEEN

LOST.

> > > THIS IS

> > > > > >> WHAT I AM SAYING OR KEPT WITH FAMILES TILL

> SOMEONE

> > > LIKE

> > > > > >> KRUSHNAJI COMES ALONG AND BRINGS SUCH TECHNIQUES

> > > > FORWARD.

> > > > > >> ITS A BIG CREDIT TO KRUSHNAJI FOR BRINGING

> FORWARD

> > > THIS

> > > > > >> SYSTEM WITH HAS MADE TIMING OF EVENTS SO EASY.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> It is well known that Varaha Mihira was

> influenced

> > by

> > > > Greek

> > > > > >> astrologers and has adopted some of their

> methods,

> > so

> > > the

> > > > > >> bindus that he attributes could also have come

> from

> > > them.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ASH : ONE THING. BAV IS BAV AND BASIC SCHEME

> > SHOUL.D

> > > BE

> > > > > >> SAME. ONLY IN BAV OF MOON AND VENUS THERE IS A

> > > > DIFFERENCE.

> > > > > >> PARASARA AND VARHARMIRA CANNOT HAVE DIFFERENT

> > > OPINIONS.

> > > > > >> EITHER PARASARA'S SCHEME IS CORRUPT OR

> > > VARHARMIRAS'S.

> > > > AT THE

> > > > > >> END OF THE DAY BOTH MUST MATCH. SO ITS INFACT

> QUITE

> > > > EASY TO

> > > > > >> SAY THAT EITHER PARSARAS OR VARHARMIRAS BAV IS

> > > CORRPUT.

> > > > I AM

> > > > > >> CONFIDENT THAT VARHRMAIRAS HAS REMAINED IN TACT

> OVER

> > > THE

> > > > > >> CENTURIES AND PARASARAS BAV SCHME IS CORRPUT.

IN

> > ANY

> > > > CASE I

> > > > > >> WILL GO BY WHAT KRUSHNAJI HAS TAUGHT ME AS THIS

> > > SYSTEM

> > > > WAS

> > > > > >> KEPT IN HIS GURUS FAMILY AND HE HAS USED THAT

FOR

> > > DECADES

> > > > > >> WITH CORRECT PREDICTIONS. SO ITS TIME TESTED BY

> HIS

> > > > GURUS

> > > > > >> LINEAGE. I AM IN NO POSITION TO MAKE ANY

> JUDGEMENT

> > > BUT

> > > > CAN

> > > > > >> SAY THAT I AM USNIG VARHARMIRAS SCHEME.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Since you give equal importance to Navamsha and

> Rasi

> > > > whereas

> > > > > >> I go by the old time system of planetary

> strength

> > > being

> > > > > >> derived from Navamsha, it might not be possible

> for

> > > you

> > > > to

> > > > > >> follow my meaning and reasons behind attributing

> more

> > > > > >> strength to Saturn over Jupiter.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ASH : I AM FINDING STRENGTH USING ASHTAKVARGA

BUT

> > FOR

> > > > EACH

> > > > > >> PLANET AND FOR EACH HOUSE. YOU ARE ALSO TRYING

> TO

> > > FIND

> > > > THE

> > > > > >> STRENGH BUT I AM NOT CLEAR WHEN YOU SAY SHANI IS

> > > STRONGER

> > > > > >> THAN GURU BUT FOR WHAT ? IS IT FOR EVENT OR ALL

> 12

> > > > HOUSES ?

> > > > > >> JUST SAYING STRONGER IS VERY GENERAL. IF I WERE

> TO

> > > ASK

> > > > YOU

> > > > > >> IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH HOUSE OR

10TH

> > > HOUSE.

> > > > > >> THIS IS HOW I AM SEETNG THINGS. AS PER THE

> WORKSHEET

> > > > > >> STRENGTH GURU IS FAR BETTER FOR 10TH HOUSE AS

> > > COMPARED TO

> > > > > >> SHANI HOWEVER SHANI IS FAR STRONGER THAN GURU

FOR

> > 4TH

> > > > HOUSE

> > > > > >> MATTERS.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> The question of strength of the two planets was

> > > raised by

> > > > > >> Lakshmi and I was responding to that. I so far

as

> > > > influence

> > > > > >> over all 12 Rasis comment is concerned, Vedic

> > > astrology

> > > > does

> > > > > >> think that planets have influence over all

Bhavas

> > and

> > > > other

> > > > > >> planets and the way the results would manifest

> > depend

> > > on

> > > > > >> their mutual relation.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ASH : EXACTLY. HERE IN LIES THE ESSENCE OF WHAT

> I

> > > WAS

> > > > SAYING

> > > > > >> OR TRYING TO SAY FOR SO LONG. THE BEAUTY OF IS

> THAT

> > > SAV

> > > > > >> ALREADY TAKES CARE OF MUTUAL RELATIONS SO IT

> BECOMES

> > > > > >> IMPERATIVE THAT BAV IS ACCURATE AS SAV AS U KNOW

> IS

> > > > DERIVED

> > > > > >> FROM BAV. THAT WAS MY COMMENT ON COMPOUNDING OF

> > > ERRORS.

> > > > > >> THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU SAY THAT SHANI IS STRONGER

> THAN

> > > GURU

> > > > > >> CONFUSES ME BECAUSE YES FOR 4TH HOUSE SHANI IS

> > > STRONGER

> > > > THAN

> > > > > >> GURU BUT NOT FOR 10TH HOUSE. HERE I AM BEING

> VERY

> > > > SPECIFIC.

> > > > > >> SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOUR COMMENT ON SHANI

> BEING

> > > > STRONGER

> > > > > >> THAN GURU WAS CONSIDERING ALL 12 HOUSES AND THE

> > MUTUAL

> > > > > >> PLACMENT FOR ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT TO EACH

> > > OTHER ?

> > > > IF SO

> > > > > >> THEN I AM VERY SURE THAT YOU WILL COME TO THE

> SAME

> > > > CONCLUSION

> > > > > >> USING WHATEVER WAY YOU USE TO FIND THE STRENGH

OF

> > > SHANI

> > > > AND

> > > > > >> GURU I.E NAVAMSA, D CHARTS OR YOGAS ETC WITH

WHAT

> I

> > > HAVE

> > > > > >> SHOWN IN THE WORKSHEET. THEN IF YOU COMPARE

> SHANI

> > > AND

> > > > GURU

> > > > > >> FOR EACH HOUSE WE WILL HAVE A MORE STRONGER

BASIS

> FOR

> > > > > >> COMPARISION. BUT STILL JUST USING THE WORD

> STRONGER

> > > I

> > > > AM NOT

> > > > > >> CLEAR OR AM NOT FOLLOWING. THE QUETSIONS THAT

> COMES

> > > TO

> > > > MY

> > > > > >> MIND .. STRONGER FOR WHAT OR WHICH HOUSE OR

> WHICH

> > > > EVENT ?

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> About not considering Navamsha strength, I am

not

> > > able to

> > > > > >> follow what you are saying. On the one hand you

> say

> > > that

> > > > > >> these being equal you do not consider Navamsha

in

> > > > worksheet

> > > > > >> and that you only use Navamsha to find samdharmi

> and

> > > on

> > > > the

> > > > > >> other hand you say that my contention is not

> > correct/.

> > > > > >> /

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ASH : RASI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL STATUS AS PER

> THE

> > > > TEACHINGS

> > > > > >> OF KAS. NAVAMSA IS DERIVED FROM RASI. FOR THE

> > > STRENGH

> > > > AND

> > > > > >> WORKSHEET ONLY RASI IS NEEDED. IF IN CASE OF

> DOUBT

> > > YOU

> > > > CAN

> > > > > >> GO INTO D-CHARTS AND FIND OUT FROM THAT. I HAVE

> > > > DEMONTRATED

> > > > > >> WITH AN EXAMPLE OF RAMESH'S MARRIAGE. I WOULD

> HOPE

> > > THAT

> > > > > >> LAKSHMI WOULD COMMENT ON THIS PART. I HAVE NOT

> SAID

> > > > THAT YOU

> > > > > >> ARE NOT CORRECT. YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND THE

> > STRENGTH

> > > > ALSO

> > > > > >> FROM NAVAMSA. AS PER KAS I FIND THE STRENGTH

> FROM

> > > > WORKSHEET

> > > > > >> WHICH IS FROM RASHI. FOR D-CHARTS I CAST

> WORKSHEET

> > > BUT

> > > > ONLY

> > > > > >> PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE. WE DO NOT CONSIDER

> > > ASPECTS

> > > > > >> PART. SO ONLY TOP PORTION OF WORKSHEET IS

> USED.

> > WE

> > > > BOTH

> > > > > >> ARE FINDING STRENGTH AND I AM USING AV FROM RASI

> AND

> > > YOU

> > > > ARE

> > > > > >> PROBABLY USING RASI/NAVAMSA/D CHARTS ETC AND

SIGN

> > > > PLACEMENT

> > > > > >> TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Again you are talking about timing of events and

> the

> > > > original

> > > > > >> thread is about Guru's capacity to harm the

> house

> > > > occupied

> > > > > >> by it/./

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ASH : FOR ME THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF QUESTION.

> AS

> > PER

> > > > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM PLANETS THAT ASPECT

> > > PRIMARY

> > > > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES I.E. 8TH FROM HOUSE UNDER

> FOCUS,

> > > 5TH

> > > > FROM

> > > > > >> HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND HOUSE UNDER FOCUS FOR

> EXAMPLE

> > > FOR

> > > > > >> READERS IF YOU ARE TIMING MARRIAGE THEN 2ND, 7TH

> AND

> > > > 11TH AND

> > > > > >> IF ANY PLANET HAS ASPECT ON THESE HOUSES THEN

> THEY

> > > WILL

> > > > NOT

> > > > > >> GIVE RESULT IN THEIR ANTRA BUT THEIR SAMDHARMI

> WILL

> > > GIVE

> > > > > >> RESULT AND THE EXCEPTION IS THAT IF THE PLANET

IS

> > > LORD OF

> > > > > >> 10TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS OR 6TH THEN IT WILL

> GIVE.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS

> > > PLACED

> > > > IN

> > > > > >> AND ITS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE SO GURU

WILL

> > NOT

> > > > GIVE

> > > > > >> RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN GENERALLY.

> ONLY

> > > > EXCEPTION

> > > > > >> IS THAT IF GURU IS IN PISCES SO SUCH A GURU WILL

> > GIVE

> > > THE

> > > > > >> RESULT OF TIMING OF EVENT. SIMILARLY FOR MARS.

> I

> > > THINK

> > > > ALSO

> > > > > >> SOMETHING SIMILAR IS SAID FOR MARS AS PER VEDIC

> > > TEXTS.

> > > > MARS

> > > > > >> ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN

> AND

> > > 8TH

> > > > HOUSE

> > > > > >> SO AS PER VEDIC TEXTS ITS ALSO SAID THAT MARS

> SPOILS

> > > THE

> > > > > >> HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. FOR SHANI IT DOES NOT

> ASPECT

> > > ANY

> > > > OF THE

> > > > > >> SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES WHEREEVER ITS PLACED SO ITS

> NOT

> > > SAID

> > > > TO

> > > > > >> SPOIL THE HOUSE AND WILL DELIVER THE RESULT IF

IT

> > HAS

> > > > POWER

> > > > > >> AS PER WORKSHEET. SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN NOTED IN

> > TEXTS

> > > AS

> > > > JU

> > > > > >> SPOILS THE HOUSE IT IS PLACED IN AND SHANI DOES

> > NOT.

> > > > MARS

> > > > > >> ALSO CAN BE SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE IT IS IN

> HOWEVER

> > > THE

> > > > > >> EXCEPTIONS FOR ALL IS IF THE SAME PLANET ALSO

> RULES

> > > 10TH

> > > > AND

> > > > > >> 6TH FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN IT WILL GIVE

THE

> > > > RESULT.

> > > > > >> THIS CAN BE CHECKED AND I AM SURE IT WILL

> VALIDATE

> > > WITH

> > > > YOUR

> > > > > >> EXCEPTIONS.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> SO I AM NOT TAKING PART IN THE DISCUSSION AS FOR

> ME

> > > > > >> PERSONALLY THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCUSS. THE

> BASICS

> > > OF

> > > > SUCH

> > > > > >> THINGS ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR AND CONSIDERED BY THE

> RULES

> > > OF

> > > > > >> KRUSHNAS ASHTAVARGA SYSTEM. I AM VERY GLAD

> HOWEVER

> > > TO

> > > > SEE

> > > > > >> THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THIS TOPIC.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ANOTHER THING, GURU IS A HYOCRATIC PLANET.

> WHENEVER

> > > ONE

> > > > > >> TRIES TO POTRAY GURU AS BAD THERE WILL BE

> > > RESISTANCE.

> > > > THIS

> > > > > >> IS THE POWER OF GURU. I AM SITTING BACK AND

> READING

> > > WITH

> > > > > >> INTEREST AND SEEING THE MAYA GURU CREATES.

FUNNY

> > ITS

> > > > EASIER

> > > > > >> TO BLAME SHANI FOR THINGS AND POTRAY IT AS BAD

> BUT

> > > > INFACT ITS

> > > > > >> SHANI WHO IS THE PLANET OF TRUTH.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> SUCH THIGNS ARE HARD FOR PEOPLE TO DIGEST AND

YOU

> > ARE

> > > > GETTING

> > > > > >> SO MUCH OF EXPLAINING TO DO. THIS ITSELF PROVES

> MY

> > > > POINT AND

> > > > > >> YOUR POINT ALSO.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Anyway let us await Lakshmi's comment about

your

> > > > > >> observation on Mercury Antar, though this is not

> > part

> > > of

> > > > the

> > > > > >> original discussions.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ASH : YES, IT WILL BE NICE IF LAKSHMI CAN

COMMENT

> ON

> > > THE

> > > > > >> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH IF IT HAPPENED IN MERCURY

> ANTRA

> > AS

> > > PER

> > > > > >> KAY. IF THE DATE IS GIVEN IT WILL BE BETTER.

> THIS

> > > WILL

> > > > > >> PROVE THE POWER OF THE PLANET AS PER WORKSHEET

TO

> > > > DELIVER THE

> > > > > >> RESULTS AFTER FINDING OUT THE DELAY FROM RASHI

> AND

> > > > NAVAMSA AS

> > > > > >> BOTH HAVE SIMILAR STATUS AS PER KAS.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> THANK YOU FOR THIS DICUSSION,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> CHEERS !!!

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ASH

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Regards,

> > > > > >> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Ash wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>> Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > >>> My answers in CAPS below.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Dear Ash,

> > > > > >>> I forgot that you are using Krushna's

> > > Ashtakavarga

> > > > > >>> system. In that case you must be using

> Krushna's

> > > > > >>> Ayanamsha. The system you are using is a

> > > > combination of

> > > > > >>> Ashtakavarga and traditional Graha Bhava

> Bala

> > > > system.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> ASH : THE SYSTEM I USE IS KRUSHNAS

> ASHTAKVARG

> > > AND

> > > > ITS

> > > > > >>> PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY. I DONT KNOW WHAT

U

> > > MEAN BY

> > > > > >>> GRAHA BHAVA BALA SYSTEM. IN SHORT WE CAN

> > > COMPUTE

> > > > THE

> > > > > >>> STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY

> > HOUSE

> > > AND

> > > > > >>> ALSO FOR ALL 16 D CHARTS. SO ITS VEDIC

> > > ASTROLOGY

> > > > ONLY

> > > > > >>> AND NOT DIFFERENT. AS PER KAS WE DO NOT

> TALK

> > IN

> > > > GENERAL

> > > > > >>> TERMS AS SHANI IS STRONG OR WEAK BUT WE CAN

> GO

> > > INTO

> > > > > >>> DETAILS AS PER POINTS AND FIND OUT HOW A

> PLANET

> > > > WILL ACT

> > > > > >>> FOR EACH HOUSE. IN MOST CASES PLANETS DO

> NOT

> > > ACT

> > > > BAD

> > > > > >>> FOR ALL HOUSES. IN SHANI ANTRA AS PER

> RAMESH'S

> > > > CHART IT

> > > > > >>> WILL BE GOOD FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AS

> COMPARED

> > > TO

> > > > GURU'S

> > > > > >>> ANTRA FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AT THE SAME

TIME

> > FOR

> > > > 10TH

> > > > > >>> HOUSE MATTESR GURU WILL BE MUCH STRONGER

> THAN

> > > SHANI

> > > > AS

> > > > > >>> YOU CAN SEE AS PER POINTS. ABOUT NAVAMSA I

> > SHALL

> > > > > >>> COMMENT BELOW.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> There is no harm in using it as long as

> results

> > > come

> > > > > >>> true. However it is not a different

> > Ashtakavarga

> > > > system

> > > > > >>> per se.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> ASH : ASHTAKVARG IS ASHTAKVARG AND HOW TO

> USE

> > IT

> > > IS

> > > > NOT

> > > > > >>> GIVEN CLEARLY IN ANY TEXTS. PEOPLE ARE

> UNDER

> > THE

> > > > > >>> IMPRESSION BASED ON CURRENT TEXTS THAT ITS

> USED

> > > TO

> > > > TIME

> > > > > >>> DEATH OR ITS USE IS LIMITED TO TRANSITS

> WHICH

> > IS

> > > NOT

> > > > > >>> CORRECT. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT I TRY

TO

> > SAY

> > > AND

> > > > > >>> EXPLAIN WHEN PEOPLE COMMENT ON ASHTAKVARGA

> AND

> > > ITS

> > > > USED

> > > > > >>> ONLY IN TRANSITS. THE WHOLE SYSTEM IN

WHICH

> > ITS

> > > > USED TO

> > > > > >>> TIME EVENTS IS NOT WRITTEN IN ANY BOOK OR

> > > CLASSICS

> > > > > >>> DESPITE MANY MAHARISHIS LIKE PARASARA,

> > > VARHARAMIRA

> > > > ETC

> > > > > >>> HAVE ALL MENTIONED ASHTAKVARGA IN THEIR

> TEXTS.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> I was talking about a different

Ashtakavarga

> > > system

> > > > that

> > > > > >>> you had suggested exists.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> ASH : I HAVE NOT SUGGESTED ANYTHING OF THAT

> > > KIND.

> > > > > >>> KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM IS A SYSTEM IN

> > WHICH

> > > WE

> > > > USE

> > > > > >>> ASHTAKVARGA TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF EACH

> PLANET

> > > FOR

> > > > EACH

> > > > > >>> HOUSE. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY SYSTEM

> OUT

> > > THERE

> > > > > >>> THAT DOES THAT. RESULTS CAN BE SEEN AT A

> > > GLANCE.

> > > > FOR

> > > > > >>> EXAMPLE RAMESHS MARRIAGE MIGHT HAVE

HAPPENED

> > > DURING

> > > > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA. MERCURY HAS THE HIGHEST

> > STRENGTH

> > > IN

> > > > THE

> > > > > >>> CHART FOR 7TH HOUSE. AND IS LOD OR 10TH

LORD

> > > FROM

> > > > 7TH

> > > > > >>> HOUSE. MAHADAHSA CAN BE THAT OF SHANI.

> SHANI

> > IS

> > > > > >>> SAMDHARMI TO NAKTURAL KARAK VENUS OF

> MARRIAGE.

> > > SO

> > > > SHANI

> > > > > >>> MD/ MERCURY AD CAN GIVE MARRIAGE. THERE

ARE

> 2

> > > > ZEROES IN

> > > > > >>> BAV ONE DUE TO VENUS AND OTHER DUE TO MARS

> AND

> > > > MERCURY

> > > > > >>> SO RESULT WILL BE IN LAST SECTOR OF MERCURY

> > > ANTRA.

> > > > > >>> MERCURY ANTRA RUNS IN SHANI MD RUNS FROM

> > 1983/11

> > > > THRU

> > > > > >>> 1986/JULY. 3RD SECTOR STARTS 1985/07 THRU

> > > > 1986/07. I

> > > > > >>> AM NOT GOING FURTHER. IF THIS IS IN THE

> BALL

> > > PARK

> > > > ITS

> > > > > >>> GOOD AND ONE CAN NARROW IT DOWN FURTHER

WITH

> > SUNS

> > > > > >>> TRANSIT OVER STRONG SIGNIFICATORS FOR 7TH

> HOUSE

> > > AS

> > > > PER

> > > > > >>> THE WORKSHEET POINTS. MAYBE LAKSHMI CAN

> VERIFY

> > > > WHEN HER

> > > > > >>> MARRIAGE TOOK PLACE WITH RAMESH.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Varahamihira does have a slightly different

> > bindu

> > > > > >>> placement no doubt yet it is only different

> by

> > > way

> > > > of

> > > > > >>> allowing Lagna to have one more bindu of

> > > influence

> > > > for

> > > > > >>> some planet's Ashtakavarga. So it might not

> > mean

> > > > that

> > > > > >>> other planet is getting a bindu less.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> ASH : THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

WHAT

> > > SCHEME

> > > > THAT

> > > > > >>> IS IN TEXTS TODAY AVAILABLE GIVEN AS PER

> > > PARASARA

> > > > AND

> > > > > >>> WHATS GIVEN OR PRESERVED FROM VARHARAMIRA.

> > BOTH

> > > ARE

> > > > > >>> GREAT SAGES AND THEIR BAV SCHEMES MUST BE

> SAME.

> > > > > >>> PARASARAS HAS BEEN CORRPUT OVER TIME. THE

> > > > DIFFERENCES

> > > > > >>> IN IN BAV FOR MOONS PLACMENT FROM MOON AND

> GURU

> > > AND

> > > > > >>> VENUS FROM MARS. THIS HAS VERY DEEP

MEANING

> > AND

> > > > SAYING

> > > > > >>> FOR EXAMPLE IF VENUS GETS POWER IF IN 4TH

> FROM

> > > MARS

> > > > AND

> > > > > >>> IF VENUS IS NOT GETTING POWER OR A BINDU IF

> IN

> > > 4TH

> > > > FROM

> > > > > >>> MARS HAS A BIG DIFFERENCE. THERE ARE ONLY

> 337

> > > > POINTS

> > > > > >>> AND IT WOULD MEAN THAT IF AS IN THE CASE OF

> > > RAMESHES

> > > > > >>> CHART IF HIS 7TH BHAVA GETS 19TH IT MEANS

> THAT

> > > THAT

> > > > 1

> > > > > >>> BINDU OF FROM THE POOL OF 337 HAS GONE TO

> SOME

> > > OTHER

> > > > > >>> HOUSE. IF A PLANET IS IN THAT HOUSE IT MAY

> GET

> > > 1

> > > > BINDU

> > > > > >>> MORE STRENGTH AND IT MAY CHANGE THE ENTIRE

> > > CHART.

> > > > IF

> > > > > >>> THAT PLANET IS IN 4TH FROM A MALEFIC PLANET

> (BY

> > > > MALEFIC

> > > > > >>> I MEAN A PLANET WITH < 4 BINDUS EXCEPT

MOON)

> > AND

> > > IF

> > > > THAT

> > > > > >>> PLANET WERE TO GET STRNGTH THEN THAT PLANET

> > > WOULD

> > > > BECOME

> > > > > >>> VERY STRONG FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT WOULD

> > > CHANGE

> > > > THE

> > > > > >>> ENTIRE COMPLEXION OF THE CHART. WITH

> ASKTAVARG

> > > WE

> > > > ARE

> > > > > >>> VERY PARTICULAR AND THIS IS NOT A TRIVIAL

> > > MATTER. 1

> > > > > >>> BINDUS CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> I said 19 Bindus as the chart sent by Dear

> > > Lakshmi

> > > > was

> > > > > >>> in that format. Varahamihira has exactly 8

> > > shlokas

> > > > on

> > > > > >>> Ashtakavarga and his is not a different

> system.

> > > He

> > > > only

> > > > > >>> has a different opinion about which places

> are

> > > > > >>> influenced by Lagna in case of some of the

> > > planets.

> > > > > >>> Parashara has, on the other hand,

> exhaustively

> > > dealt

> > > > > >>> with Ashtakavarga.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> ASH : THIS IS NOT TRUE. BAV SCHEMES HAVE

TO

> > > > MATCH. I

> > > > > >>> DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BY

> > SYSTEMS.

> > > THE

> > > > > >>> CORE AND BASIC OF ASHTAKVARG SYSTEM IS THE

> BAV

> > > > POINTS.

> > > > > >>> IF PARASARA IS SAYING THAT MOON IS NOT

> GIVING

> > > > STRENGTH

> > > > > >>> TO 9TH BHAVA WHEAREAS VARHARAMIRA IS SAYING

> IT

> > > > DOES.

> > > > > >>> THIS IS HUGE DIFFERECE OUT HERE. SIMILARLY

> > MOON

> > > IS

> > > > > >>> BENEFIC IN 2ND FROM GURU AND VARHARAMIRA IS

> > > SAYING

> > > > THAT

> > > > > >>> 1 BINDUS STRENGTH IS NOT GIVEN. THIS IS

THE

> > > > BASIC. YOU

> > > > > >>> JUST CANNOT SAY THAT THE DIFFERENCE OF

> OPINION

> > IS

> > > > > >>> "ONLY". THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. IMAGINE

A

> > > SYSTEM

> > > > THAT

> > > > > >>> IS USED ACCURATELY FOR TIMING OF EVENTS THE

> SAV

> > > > VALUES

> > > > > >>> FROM WHICH THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANEST AND

> FOR

> > > EACH

> > > > AND

> > > > > >>> EVERY HOUSE IS COMPUTED AND ITS BASED ON

SAV

> > AND

> > > > SAV IS

> > > > > >>> BASED ON BAV. IN THE LEAST WHAT YOU ARE

> SAYING

> > > > MIGHT

> > > > > >>> SURMOUNT TO COMPOUNDING OF ERROR. ACTUALLY

> IF

> > > YOU

> > > > STUDY

> > > > > >>> HOW ONE COMES TO THE POINTS THAT I HAVE

> > > DISPLAYED

> > > > IN MY

> > > > > >>> PREVIOUS MAILS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND

> WHY

> > > I

> > > > AM SO

> > > > > >>> PICKY WITH THIS DISTRIBUTION OF BAV AND

> > STICKING

> > > TO

> > > > > >>> VARHARAMIRA. IF WE DIFFER ON THIS VIEW WE

> CAN

> > > > AGREE TO

> > > > > >>> DISAGREE.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> I have already given the reason I think

> Saturn

> > is

> > > > > >>> stronger than Guru in reply to Lakshmi.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> ASH : YES, I DID READ YOUR INTERSTING

> COMMENT

> > > BUT I

> > > > WAS

> > > > > >>> NOT CLEAR ON WHAT YOU MEANT BY STRONGER.

> > > STRONGER

> > > > FOR

> > > > > >>> WHAT EVENTS ? DID U MEAN STRONGER FOR

> > DELIVERING

> > > > > >>> RESULTS OR ALL 12 HOUSES. CAN YOU BE MORE

> > > > SPECIFIC.

> > > > > >>> WHEN I GAVE THE POINTS I AM BEING VERY

> SPECIFIC

> > > AND

> > > > > >>> COMPARING GURU WITH SHANI FOR ALL 12

> HOUSES. I

> > > AM

> > > > BEING

> > > > > >>> SPECIFIC IN SAYING THAT IN GURU ANTRA

RAMESH

> > > WILL

> > > > HAVE

> > > > > >>> MORE AUTHORITY AS COMPARED TO SHANI. GURU

> IS

> > IN

> > > > UPCAHYA

> > > > > >>> FROM 10TH HOUSE AND WITH 5 BINDUS. SO ITS

> VERY

> > > > EAGER TO

> > > > > >>> GIVE 2ND AND 10TH HOUSE MATTERS. SHANI IS

> > EAGER

> > > TO

> > > > GIVE

> > > > > >>> RESULTS FOR 12TH, 4TH, 11TH, AND 3RD HOUSE

> IN

> > ITS

> > > > > >>> ANTRA. CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC. I DO NOT

> > > THINK

> > > > SHANI

> > > > > >>> IS BAD FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE AND NEITHER

> IS

> > > GURU

> > > > IN

> > > > > >>> HIS ANTRA. AGAIN I AM RESTRICTING THE

> RESULTS

> > > TO

> > > > THE

> > > > > >>> ANTRA. I THINK IF U ARE MORE SPECIFIC THEN

> WE

> > > > MIGHT BE

> > > > > >>> SAYING THE SAME THING BUT FROM A DIFFERENT

> VIEW

> > > > POINT.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> The reason it is not reflected in the table

> > > given

> > > > by you

> > > > > >>> is,as you have indicated Navamsha strength

> of

> > > > planets is

> > > > > >>> not considered in the system you are using.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> ASH : THIS IS INCORRECT. THE STRENGTH IS

> > > DERIVED

> > > > FROM

> > > > > >>> RASHI AND THE WORKSHEET POINTS ARE FROM

> RASHI

> > > ONLY.

> > > > > >>> NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS AS COMPARED TO

> RASHI.

> > > WE

> > > > USE

> > > > > >>> NAVAMSA FOR FINDING OUT THE SAMDHARMIS AND

> ALSO

> > > > DELAY.

> > > > > >>> ALL COMBINATIONS HAVE TO BE CHECKED FROM

> BOTH

> > > RASI

> > > > AND

> > > > > >>> NAVAMSA. BUT FOR FINDING OUT THE STRENGH

OF

> > > PLANET

> > > > ITS

> > > > > >>> DONE FROM RASI. A WORKSHEET FOR EACH

> > DIVISIONAL

> > > > CHART

> > > > > >>> IS ALSO CASTED.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Using Krushna's Ayanamsha the Navamsha

> > placement

> > > of

> > > > > >>> planets could also change. If you apply the

> > > strength

> > > > > >>> from Navamsha as given in the chart

provided

> by

> > > > Lakshmi,

> > > > > >>> you will see my view point.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> ASH : IT WILL NOT CHANGE THINGS. I CHECKED

> > AFTER

> > > > > >>> READING THIS COMMENT. IN BOTH CASES USING

> > > KRUSHNAS

> > > > > >>> AYANAMSA AND LAHIRI SHANI REMAINS IN LIBRA

> IN

> > > > NAVAMSA SO

> > > > > >>> ITS SAMDHARMI TO VENUS. IT WILL REPLACE

> VENUS

> > > FOR

> > > > THE

> > > > > >>> HOUSE THAT VENUS IS UNABLE TO DELIVER

> RESULTS.

> > > THE

> > > > > >>> POSITION OF MARS CHANGES IN LAGNA THOUGH.

> > MAYBE

> > > IF

> > > > U

> > > > > >>> SEE THINGS WITH MARS BEING IN 12TH INSTEAD

> OF

> > > 11TH

> > > > YOU

> > > > > >>> MAY SEE MY VIEW POINT. AGAIN I AM

> EMPHASISING

> > > ON

> > > > THE

> > > > > >>> FACT THAT STRENGTH OR THE WORKSHEET THAT I

> GAVE

> > > IS

> > > > > >>> COMPUTED FROM RASHI ONLY AND SAMDHARMIS IS

> > > COMPUTED

> > > > FROM

> > > > > >>> RASHI AND NAVAMSA. RASHI AND NAVAMSA HAVE

> > EQUAL

> > > > STATUS

> > > > > >>> AS PER KAS AND WE FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES FOR

> > > FINDING

> > > > > >>> DELAY. I HAVE DEMONSTRATED IN THIS MAIL

> > > REGARDING

> > > > > >>> MARRIAGE OF RAMESH WITH LAKSHMI. FOR THAT

I

> > HAVE

> > > > > >>> COMPUTED DELAY FOR MARRIAGE USING 2 ZEROES,

> AND

> > > > SHANI

> > > > > >>> ASPECTING PRIMIARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES FROM

> > > RASHI

> > > > AND

> > > > > >>> THEIR LORDS IN NAVAMSA AND USING WORKSHEET

> > > STRENGTH

> > > > I

> > > > > >>> HAVE COMPUTED THE TIME FRAME. IT WILL BE

> > > > INTERSTING IF

> > > > > >>> LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON THE SAME. THERE IS

A

> > > SLIGHT

> > > > > >>> DIFFERENCE IN THE WORKSHEET. SOME HOW IN

> HASTE

> > > MY

> > > > > >>> AYANAMSA CHANGE BUT IT WILL NOT MAKE A

> > > DIFFERENCE

> > > > FOR

> > > > > >>> MARRAIGE. HERE IS THE CORRECTED VERSION OF

> THE

> > > > > >>> WORKSHEET. MERCURY STILL HAS 18 POINTS FOR

> 7TH

> > > > HOUSE

> > > > > >>> AND MOSTLY ALL HOUSES.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> *Hse* *SAV Pt* *Su*

> > *Mo*

> > > *Ma*

> > > > *Me* *Ju* *Ve* *Sa*

> > > > > >>> *1* 25 17 20

> 12

> > > 20 11

> > > > 7 10

> > > > > >>> *2* 23 9 16

14

> > > 22 22

> > > > 14 12

> > > > > >>> *3* 31 16 15

> 12

> > > 11 4

> > > > 14 7

> > > > > >>> *4* 26 11 17

7

> > > 23 7

> > > > 10 23

> > > > > >>> *5* 32 12 23

9

> > > 19 16

> > > > 22 15

> > > > > >>> *6* 32 18 16

> 18

> > > 21 5

> > > > 8 11

> > > > > >>> *7* 20 10 14

9

> > > 18 11

> > > > 18 10

> > > > > >>> *8* 19 22 12

9

> > > 25 4

> > > > 17 10

> > > > > >>> *9* 28 8 12

14

> > > 7 5

> > > > 21 3

> > > > > >>> *10* 34 17 13

> 7

> > > 16 21

> > > > 16 4

> > > > > >>> *11* 38 16 15

> 15

> > > 21 4

> > > > 15 19

> > > > > >>> *12* 29 10 14

> 11

> > > 9 8

> > > > 14 15

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> THANKING YOU,

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> CHEERS !!!

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> ASH

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > > >>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Ash wrote:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi,

> > > > > >>>> There is a difference between a house

> getting

> > > 20

> > > > bindus

> > > > > >>>> and a house getting 19 bindus as you are

> > > aware. I

> > > > > >>>> agree both are weak with 20 bindus being a

> > > stronger

> > > > > >>>> than 19 bindus. At the same token if a

> bhave

> > > gets

> > > > 1

> > > > > >>>> bindu more it means one other house is

> getting

> > > 1

> > > > bindu

> > > > > >>>> less.

> > > > > >>>> It also means that some planet has made a

> > > > favourable

> > > > > >>>> yog w.r.t one house and not with another.

> Is

> > > it

> > > > not ?

> > > > > >>>> I use Krushnas Ashtakvarga system as you

> are

> > > also

> > > > aware.

> > > > > >>>> In that SAV is the base from that we

derive

> the

> > > > > >>>> strength of each planet for each and every

> > > house

> > > > and

> > > > > >>>> also for each and every 16 divisional

> chart.

> > > When

> > > > > >>>> casting the worksheet the aspects are not

> > > > considered in

> > > > > >>>> the D charts only the basis strength.

> > > > > >>>> The BAV values given by Parasara in my

> opinion

> > > have

> > > > > >>>> become corrupt. The BAV distribution

> scheme by

> > > > > >>>> Varharamira is correct. The settings are

> also

> > > > given in

> > > > > >>>> JHL software where you tick off the check

> > boxes

> > > in

> > > > the

> > > > > >>>> lite version. If you use the option of

> > > > Varharamira you

> > > > > >>>> will get 20 bindus for 7th house. It

would

> be

> > > > good to

> > > > > >>>> understand if you have intentionally used

> > > > Parasara's

> > > > > >>>> scheme of BAV or generally use Varharmiras

> > > > scheme ?

> > > > > >>>> To come to the final stength of each and

> every

> > > > planet

> > > > > >>>> for each house .

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Here is the final strength of planet for

> > > Ramesh's

> > > > chart.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> These are total strength of the planets

and

> > > > derived by

> > > > > >>>> considering the following.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> 1) 4:10

> > > > > >>>> 2) Addition of 5 points for LoD and LoE or

> > 10th

> > > > lord

> > > > > >>>> and 6th lord from house under consideration

> > > > > >>>> 3) Planets in 10th and 6th hosue from

house

> > > under

> > > > > >>>> consideration with > 4 bindus.

> > > > > >>>> 4) Planets aspecting primary significator

> > house

> > > i.e

> > > > > >>>> Karak, phal and phalit sthans.

> > > > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspects on karak, phal

> and

> > > > phalit sthan

> > > > > >>>> 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspect on planets

> > > > > >>>> 6) Adjustment of 12th from house under

focus

> > > > > >>>> 7) Adjustment of 6th lord.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> After meticulously considering all these

> > > factors we

> > > > > >>>> come to strength of each planet for each

> and

> > > every

> > > > > >>>> house. Like that we also compute strength

> for

> > > all

> > > > d

> > > > > >>>> charts but in that we only conider the

> > strength

> > > for

> > > > > >>>> karak, phal and phalit sthan for each and

> > every

> > > > house.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> You have said that Shani is stronger than

> > > Guru.

> > > > Here

> > > > > >>>> you can see both Shani and Guru at a glace

> on

> > > how

> > > > they

> > > > > >>>> will deliver their results in their

> respective

> > > > antar

> > > > > >>>> dasha.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> I do hear ya regarding the system not

being

> > > > different

> > > > > >>>> from parasara. Actually parasara did give

> the

> > > BAV

> > > > > >>>> scheme but it has become corrupt over time.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Here Jupiter is in 10th from 10th house so

> its

> > > > > >>>> foritifying 10th house and also Guru is

> with 5

> > > > bindus

> > > > > >>>> in 7th house and in multrikon so its very

> > eager

> > > to

> > > > give

> > > > > >>>> results for 10th house.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> If you see the worksheet you can see Ju is

> > > having

> > > > 22

> > > > > >>>> points for 10th house and Shani has 7

> points

> > > for

> > > > 10th

> > > > > >>>> house. There is a big difference in

> authority

> > > that

> > > > > >>>> Ramesh would have been bestowed in the

> antras

> > > of

> > > > Guru

> > > > > >>>> and Shani.

> > > > > >>>> At the same time if you see expenses v/s

> > income

> > > in

> > > > Guru

> > > > > >>>> and shani and compare the 11th v/s 12th

> points

> > > you

> > > > can

> > > > > >>>> see more expenses in shani compared to

Guru

> > > antra.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> *House* *Signs* *SAV*

> > > *Su* *Mo*

> > > > *Ma* *Me* *Ju*

> > > > > >>>> *Ve* *Sa*

> > > > > >>>> 1 Gemini 23 16

> > 19

> > > 13 20

> > > > 17 7 16

> > > > > >>>> 2 Cancer 24 10

> > 15

> > > 20 23

> > > > 23 14 16

> > > > > >>>> 3 Leo 30 9

21

> > > 9 19

> > > > 11 11 13

> > > > > >>>> 4 Virgo 26 7

> 22

> > > 9 24

> > > > 14 4 23

> > > > > >>>> 5 Libra 33 8

> 23

> > > 5 20

> > > > 22 16 19

> > > > > >>>> 6 Scorpio 32 16

> > > 20 21

> > > > 24 13 9 17

> > > > > >>>> 7 Sagittarius 20 7

> > > 19 5

> > > > 25 17 12 8

> > > > > >>>> 8 Capricorn 21 15

> > > 19 9

> > > > 24 9 12 12

> > > > > >>>> 9 Aquarius 29 7

> > > 17 13

> > > > 11 14 22 9

> > > > > >>>> 10 Pisces 29 13

> > > 10 -2 17

> > > > 22 9 7

> > > > > >>>> 11 Aries 40 11

> > 21

> > > 10 26

> > > > 14 10 19

> > > > > >>>> 12 Taurus 30 5

> > 21

> > > 10 19

> > > > 12 10 20

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Thanks,

> > > > > >>>> Cheers !!!

> > > > > >>>> Ash

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Dear Ash,

> > > > > >>>> Even with 20 points the Bhava lacks

> > > strength,

> > > > is it

> > > > > >>>> not? Saturn there however extends

> > > protection.

> > > > By

> > > > > >>>> the way I am not aware of any

> Ashtakavarga

> > > > system

> > > > > >>>> which gives differential value of

> > > Bindus/Rekhas

> > > > > >>>> based on Lagna of a native or

placement

> of

> > > a

> > > > planet

> > > > > >>>> in a Rasi, aspects received by it and

> > > > association

> > > > > >>>> with other planets. May I know to

which

> > > system

> > > > you

> > > > > >>>> are referring to and the weightage for

> > these

> > > > > >>>> factors given in that system by

> increasing

> > > or

> > > > > >>>> reducing the Bindus/Rekhas.

> > > > > >>>> If you are talking about using other

> > > > parameters in

> > > > > >>>> association with Ashtakavarga then of

> > > course

> > > > that

> > > > > >>>> is a different matter and would not

> > > constitute

> > > > > >>>> different system than Parashara.

> > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Pardon me for my intervention.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> I would like to comment on

> Ashtakavarga.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> 1) It seems that you have used

> Parasaras

> > > > scheme of

> > > > > >>>>> BAV. With

> > > > > >>>>> Varharamiras scheme you get 20 points

> in

> > > > Ramesh's

> > > > > >>>>> 7th house.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> 2) For nodes are we know are not

> > planets.

> > > > They

> > > > > >>>>> are used indirectly.

> > > > > >>>>> They are samdharmi to sign lord and

> > > nakshatra

> > > > > >>>>> lord. For natural

> > > > > >>>>> nature as you have said or quoted in

> > > numerious

> > > > > >>>>> posts Rahu is like

> > > > > >>>>> Shani and Ketu like Mars.

> Functionally

> > > they

> > > > will

> > > > > >>>>> be more like the

> > > > > >>>>> planet i.e. either sign lord or nak

> lord

> > > as

> > > > per

> > > > > >>>>> the points they

> > > > > >>>>> receive in their BAV. For example,

if

> > > Rahu

> > > > is in

> > > > > >>>>> Gemini and nak of

> > > > > >>>>> punarvasu then it will represent Me

> and

> > > Ju.

> > > > If

> > > > > >>>>> say Ge is 3rd house

> > > > > >>>>> and in 3rd house Ju gets 5 bindus and

> Me

> > > gets

> > > > say

> > > > > >>>>> 6 bindus then Rahu

> > > > > >>>>> will act more like Mercury.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> 3) With regards to your comment on

> > > > Ashtakavarg not

> > > > > >>>>> using sign

> > > > > >>>>> placement is not entirely correct.

If

> > > used

> > > > with a

> > > > > >>>>> proper system the

> > > > > >>>>> sign placement can give idea on

> quantum

> > of

> > > > result

> > > > > >>>>> and its not used to

> > > > > >>>>> find timing of result. For timing of

> > > result

> > > > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg, SAV and

> > > > > >>>>> total strength of planets derived

from

> > SAV

> > > is

> > > > good

> > > > > >>>>> enough to time

> > > > > >>>>> results effectively.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Maybe knowledge of Ashtakvarg that is

> > > > available in

> > > > > >>>>> texts today is not

> > > > > >>>>> complete and may lead to confusion.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Ashtakvarg system used is an

effective

> > > tool in

> > > > > >>>>> timing of events.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> A couple of points on Ramesh's chart.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> 1) In Ramesh's chart there are 2

> > > consecutive

> > > > > >>>>> zeroes one given by

> > > > > >>>>> Venus to 7th and one by Mars to 8th.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> 2) Jupiter antra will be very eager

to

> > > bestow

> > > > > >>>>> authority to Ramesh and

> > > > > >>>>> also for acquisition of wealth.

> Between

> > > > 1997/04

> > > > > >>>>> thru 1999/10 Ramesh

> > > > > >>>>> might have been given a role of

> > > > responsibility.

> > > > > >>>>> Also a good time to

> > > > > >>>>> make investments and accumulation of

> > > wealth.

> > > > > >>>>> Lakshami can verify

> > > > > >>>>> this antra.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Thanking you,

> > > > > >>>>> Cheers !!!

> > > > > >>>>> Ash

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> vedic-

astrology,

> > > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

> > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>> > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > > >>>>> > I think in Ramesh's case Saturn is

> Lord

> > > of

> > > > the

> > > > > >>>>> 9th is it not? He

> > > > > >>>>> not

> > > > > >>>>> > only associates a Kendra Lord but

is

> > > also

> > > > is in

> > > > > >>>>> kendra being a

> > > > > >>>>> trine

> > > > > >>>>> > lord. He is also Lord of Navamsha

> Lagna

> > > > > >>>>> aspecting Lagna, besides

> > > > > >>>>> being

> > > > > >>>>> > placed in a trikona. Jupiter on the

> > > other

> > > > hand

> > > > > >>>>> is Lord of 2nd and

> > > > > >>>>> 11th

> > > > > >>>>> > in Navamsha and in 3rd house. I

> would

> > > > certainly

> > > > > >>>>> treat Saturn as

> > > > > >>>>> more

> > > > > >>>>> > powerful than Jupiter, even if in

> Lagna

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > >>>>> appears to be with

> > > > > >>>>> > greater strength. But there too he

> is

> > > only a

> > > > > >>>>> Kendra Lord in Kendra

> > > > > >>>>> > associating a trine lord. Since we

> are

> > > > talking

> > > > > >>>>> about 7th house

> > > > > >>>>> would it

> > > > > >>>>> > not be right to look at the

Navamsha

> > > > strengths

> > > > > >>>>> of the planets,

> > > > > >>>>> before

> > > > > >>>>> > coming to conclusion about 7th

> house?

> > If

> > > we

> > > > look

> > > > > >>>>> at Ashtaka Varga

> > > > > >>>>> then

> > > > > >>>>> > SAV would rather prove my view

point

> as

> > > it

> > > > shows

> > > > > >>>>> 7th house with 19

> > > > > >>>>> > points. Personally I give more

> > weightage

> > > to

> > > > > >>>>> Natal chart read with

> > > > > >>>>> > Navamsha. the reason is

Ashtakavarga

> do

> > > not

> > > > > >>>>> consider effects of

> > > > > >>>>> nodes ,

> > > > > >>>>> > neither do they consider house

> > ownership

> > > or

> > > > Rasi

> > > > > >>>>> occupation

> > > > > >>>>> > weightage.Your opinion would be

> > > appreciated.

> > > > > >>>>> > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > >>>>> > lakshmi ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > >>>>> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > Namaste Chandrasekar ji,

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is

> in

> > > own

> > > > > >>>>> house/moolatrikona.

> > > > > >>>>> Please

> > > > > >>>>> > > look at the ashtakavarga & bala

of

> > > > Saturn. Who

> > > > > >>>>> is more empowered

> > > > > >>>>> to

> > > > > >>>>> > > protect the house, based on both

> > > strength

> > > > and

> > > > > >>>>> functionality,

> > > > > >>>>> Jupiter

> > > > > >>>>> > > or Saturn? I request you to

ponder

> on

> > > > this.

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > Regards,

> > > > > >>>>> > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/*

> > wrote:

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > > >>>>> > > If I may point out, in

Javed's

> > > case

> > > > Guru

> > > > > >>>>> is in own house and

> > > > > >>>>> in

> > > > > >>>>> > > Ramesh's case Saturn

conjuncts

> > > Guru.

> > > > The

> > > > > >>>>> dictum is Sthana

> > > > > >>>>> rakshati

> > > > > >>>>> > > Mandah. Guru's exception to

> house

> > > > damage

> > > > > >>>>> occurs when he is in

> > > > > >>>>> own

> > > > > >>>>> > > house.

> > > > > >>>>> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > lakshmi ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Namaste Pradeep ji,

> > > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> I happen to know of

> individuals

> > > who

> > > > have

> > > > > >>>>> strong Guru in 4th

> > > > > >>>>> and

> > > > > >>>>> > >> 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has

> > > blessed

> > > > the

> > > > > >>>>> individual with

> > > > > >>>>> great

> > > > > >>>>> > >> knowledge, an intelligence

> that

> > > > borders

> > > > > >>>>> on genius and a rare

> > > > > >>>>> > >> inner harmony. That person,

a

> > > devout

> > > > > >>>>> Muslim, is one of the

> > > > > >>>>> finest

> > > > > >>>>> > >> individuals I have ever come

> > > across,

> > > > and

> > > > > >>>>> he is very attached

> > > > > >>>>> to

> > > > > >>>>> > >> his family and mother and

> there

> > > are

> > > > no

> > > > > >>>>> problems what so ever

> > > > > >>>>> on

> > > > > >>>>> > >> the home front. This

> individual

> > > is

> > > > highly

> > > > > >>>>> esteemed in his

> > > > > >>>>> work

> > > > > >>>>> > >> environment and has all the

> > > comforts

> > > > one

> > > > > >>>>> could desire.

> > > > > >>>>> Infact,

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Guru in 4th is supposed to

> cast

> > > > > >>>>> sukhargala on lagna, which is

> > > > > >>>>> > >> good for the general health

&

> > > > happiness

> > > > > >>>>> of the person.

> > > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> The individual with Jupiter

&

> > > Saturn

> > > > in

> > > > > >>>>> 7th (Dhanus) is my

> > > > > >>>>> own

> > > > > >>>>> > >> dear husband. We have been

> very

> > > > happily

> > > > > >>>>> married for nearly 20

> > > > > >>>>> > >> years. My husband has

> prospered

> > > > > >>>>> remarkably after marriage.

> > > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> I am posting the charts

here.

> > > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> I request that you also post

> the

> > > > charts

> > > > > >>>>> of the individuals to

> > > > > >>>>> > >> whom you were referring in

> your

> > > > post, for

> > > > > >>>>> our edification and

> > > > > >>>>> > >> discussion.

> > > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Lakshmi

> > > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> */vijayadas_pradeep

> > > > > >>>>> <vijayadas_pradeep>/* wrote:

> > > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> I have been trying to

> test

> > the

> > > > > >>>>> principles taught by you

> > > > > >>>>> > >> related to

> > > > > >>>>> > >> guru in various bhavas.

> > > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> When in 3rd always some

> > > > difficulties

> > > > > >>>>> for siblings.Even

> > > > > >>>>> when

> > > > > >>>>> > >> in own

> > > > > >>>>> > >> sign and in 4th,problems

> for

> > > > mother

> > > > > >>>>> and at home front.

> > > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> When in 7th at marriage

> > > > front.When in

> > > > > >>>>> Lagna and not in

> > > > > >>>>> own

> > > > > >>>>> > >> sign some

> > > > > >>>>> > >> physical weakness and

> health

> > > > problems

> > > > > >>>>> in childhood.

> > > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Thus Guru tests the

> > individual

> > > > > >>>>> thouroughly.

> > > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Also sages have advised

> that

> > > > Guru is

> > > > > >>>>> not favourable while

> > > > > >>>>> > >> transiting

> > > > > >>>>> > >> kendra houses 1,4,and

> 10th

> > > from

> > > > > >>>>> moon.Only the 7th kendra

> > > > > >>>>> is

> > > > > >>>>> > >> beneficial.(Is there any

> > > reason

> > > > for

> > > > > >>>>> this?) Only

> > > > > >>>>> 2nd,5th,7th

> > > > > >>>>> > >> and 9th

> > > > > >>>>> > >> are favourable.11th

being

> > > good

> > > > for

> > > > > >>>>> all planets in

> > > > > >>>>> general.

> > > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Respect

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Pradeep

> > > > > >>>>> > >>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> --- In

> > > > > >>>>> vedic astrology,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > >>>>> > >> <boxdel>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > Dear Anuj,

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > I am glad you agree

> with

> > > me.

> > > > As you

> > > > > >>>>> rightly said in

> > > > > >>>>> your

> > > > > >>>>> > >> message

> > > > > >>>>> > >> to

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > Razdan,a the dictum is

> > > pretty

> > > > well

> > > > > >>>>> known to

> > > > > >>>>> astrologers.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> There are

> > > > > >>>>> > >> many

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > shlokas to that

effects

> > and

> > > > charts

> > > > > >>>>> prove the veracity

> > > > > >>>>> of the

> > > > > >>>>> > >> dictum, I

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > have myself posted a

> few

> > of

> > > > them

> > > > > >>>>> earlier.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > Unfortunately there is

> a

> > > > tendency

> > > > > >>>>> to mix up terms like

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Benefic/Malefic

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > with the results a

> planet

> > > is

> > > > likely

> > > > > >>>>> to give. This

> > > > > >>>>> happens more

> > > > > >>>>> > >> with

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > Jupiter as people

> usually

> > > tend

> > > > to

> > > > > >>>>> equate it with

> > > > > >>>>> Deeksha

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Guru as

> > > > > >>>>> > >> his

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > name in Sanskrit is

> Guru.

> > > > People

> > > > > >>>>> tend to forget

> > > > > >>>>> Parashara

> > > > > >>>>> > >> telling

> > > > > >>>>> > >> when

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > Guru can act as Maraka

> and

> > > > want to

> > > > > >>>>> attribute only good

> > > > > >>>>> and

> > > > > >>>>> > >> pious

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > attributes to him. I

> > prefer

> > > to

> > > > keep

> > > > > >>>>> my personal

> > > > > >>>>> feelings and

> > > > > >>>>> > >> prejudices

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > apart from application

> of

> > > > > >>>>> astrological principles.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > Take care,

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > nameisego wrote:

> > > > > >>>>> > >> >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Respected

> Chandrashekhar

> > > ji.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Please accpet my

> pranams

> > > as

> > > > you

> > > > > >>>>> are the senior most

> > > > > >>>>> Guru

> > > > > >>>>> > >> in age

> > > > > >>>>> > >> and

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > experience in this

> group.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Your observation

> about

> > > Guru

> > > > is

> > > > > >>>>> absolutely right.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Self had posted in

> this

> > > > group and

> > > > > >>>>> elsewhere an

> > > > > >>>>> article on "

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > "Guru Boon or

Bane??"

> > > some

> > > > time

> > > > > >>>>> back where it was

> > > > > >>>>> shown

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Guru's

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > position in various

> > > houses

> > > > which

> > > > > >>>>> had been

> > > > > >>>>> > >> destroyed/troubled by

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Guru.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > "Bhava Nasha Karo

> Jeeva

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau

> > > Shanih"

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > This Dictum had been

> > > proved

> > > > by self.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > You may (Mr.Razdan)

> go

> > > thro'

> > > > > >>>>> older postings and read

> > > > > >>>>> for

> > > > > >>>>> > >> yourself and

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > check the examples

> that

> > > were

> > > > given.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Difference between

> > > Jupiter

> > > > and

> > > > > >>>>> saturn is, Jupiter

> > > > > >>>>> sucks the

> > > > > >>>>> > >> goodness

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > of a house and gives

> > > fruit to

> > > > > >>>>> houses it aspects.

> > > > > >>>>> Saturn

> > > > > >>>>> > >> sucks the

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > houses he aspects

and

> > > > increases

> > > > > >>>>> the house it

> > > > > >>>>> occupies.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > --- In

> > > > > >>>>> vedic astrology,

> PNRazdan

> > > > > >>>>> > >> <pnrazdan>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > wrote:

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Dear

Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > You seem to be

> > > extending

> > > > your

> > > > > >>>>> arguments against

> > > > > >>>>> Jupiter

> > > > > >>>>> > >> still

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > further.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Firstly you said

> that

> > > Jup

> > > > is

> > > > > >>>>> ashub in houses it is

> > > > > >>>>> a

> > > > > >>>>> > >> designated as a

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Karka like

2,5,9,10

> > and

> > > 11

> > > > > >>>>> based on the principle

> > > > > >>>>> of

> > > > > >>>>> > >> "Karka

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Bhavo

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Nasa"

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > . Now you say that

> it

> > > will

> > > > harm

> > > > > >>>>> every house it is

> > > > > >>>>> > >> placed in.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Why

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > this

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > animosity with

Jup,

> > the

> > > > hope of

> > > > > >>>>> millions believing

> > > > > >>>>> in Vedic

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Astrology

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > (in lighter vein).

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > You refer to some

> > > dictum

> > > > of a

> > > > > >>>>> sage, source was not

> > > > > >>>>> > >> given by

> > > > > >>>>> > >> you. But

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > take out any basic

> > book

> > > on

> > > > > >>>>> ancient astrology. It

> > > > > >>>>> always

> > > > > >>>>> > >> speaks

> > > > > >>>>> > >> of

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > the

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > benefic qualities

> of

> > > > Jupiter.

> > > > > >>>>> Somewhere it is even

> > > > > >>>>> > >> said, that

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > howsoever

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > bad it may be

> placed

> > > in, it

> > > > > >>>>> will still try to help

> > > > > >>>>> the

> > > > > >>>>> > >> subject. And

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > this has been

amply

> > > proved

> > > > by

> > > > > >>>>> our experience.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > I am afraid. you

> will

> > > have

> > > > to

> > > > > >>>>> do some more

> > > > > >>>>> hardwork for

> > > > > >>>>> > >> convincing

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > all

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > about your notions

> of

> > > > Jupiter,

> > > > > >>>>> the heavenly

> > > > > >>>>> Brahiman. This

> > > > > >>>>> > >> would

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > even

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > mean a paradigm

> shift

> > > in

> > > > Vedic

> > > > > >>>>> Astrology.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > Pran Razdan

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> > > > > >>>>> <boxdel> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Reference to Leo

> was

> > > in

> > > > > >>>>> connection with what

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Shubhangi had

> > > > > >>>>> > >> asked.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Jupiter harming

> the

> > > > house he

> > > > > >>>>> is placed in is a

> > > > > >>>>> dictum

> > > > > >>>>> > >> given

> > > > > >>>>> > >> by

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > sages

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > and

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > there is no

> reason

> > to

> > > > try to

> > > > > >>>>> find out the

> > > > > >>>>> reason. If one

> > > > > >>>>> > >> wants to

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > find

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > the reason about

> Leo,

> > > > > >>>>> consider this in natural

> > > > > >>>>> zodiac

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Leo is

> > > > > >>>>> > >> in

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > 5th

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > house whose

> > > occupation by

> > > > > >>>>> Jupiter leads to

> > > > > >>>>> Karaka Bhava

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Dasha. In

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > 11th

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > all planets are

> > > Shubha

> > > > so it

> > > > > >>>>> is not only Jupiter

> > > > > >>>>> who is

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Shubha

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > there.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Disha strength

is

> > one

> > > > amongst

> > > > > >>>>> many strengths

> > > > > >>>>> > >> considered but

> > > > > >>>>> > >> not

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > as

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > strong as

Digbala

> > and

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > >>>>> gets that in Lagna.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Prafulla Gang

> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Dear

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > ji

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > In my humble

> view,

> > > > (Jupiter

> > > > > >>>>> may not be

> > > > > >>>>> preferred in

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Leo for

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > Muhurta,

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > I do not know

> much

> > > > about

> > > > > >>>>> muhurta related

> > > > > >>>>> > >> configurations),It may

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > not

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > become weak in

> > > terms of

> > > > > >>>>> Bala necessarily

> > > > > >>>>> (generally

> > > > > >>>>> > >> speaking).

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > In

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact, jupiter

> in

> > > 3rd

> > > > house

> > > > > >>>>> in Libra is

> > > > > >>>>> considered bad.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Jupiter in

11th

> > > house

> > > > (any

> > > > > >>>>> sign) will have

> > > > > >>>>> directional

> > > > > >>>>> > >> strength

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > to

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > initiate for

> > > results.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > There must be

> more

> > > than

> > > > > >>>>> this reason, for

> > > > > >>>>> jupiter to

> > > > > >>>>> > >> give

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > negative

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > results.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> regards/Prafulla

> > > Gang

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >>>>> vedic astrology,

> > > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > <boxdel>

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Dear

> Shubhangi,

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Being an

> Indian

> > > you

> > > > must

> > > > > >>>>> know that Jupiter

> > > > > >>>>> looses his

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > strength in

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > Leo

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > and that is

> why

> > > > there are

> > > > > >>>>> no Muhurtas for

> > > > > >>>>> > >> marriages when

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Jupiter

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > occupies Leo

> or

> > > what

> > > > is

> > > > > >>>>> called as Simhastha.

> > > > > >>>>> That

> > > > > >>>>> > >> is due

> > > > > >>>>> > >> to

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > the

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fact of

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Guru lacking

> > > Bala. In

> > > > > >>>>> your brother's case Sun

> > > > > >>>>> > >> being in

> > > > > >>>>> > >> own

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > Rasi

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > makes

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > him Shubha

> and

> > > > therefore

> > > > > >>>>> good relations with

> > > > > >>>>> > >> Father. But

> > > > > >>>>> > >> I

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > would

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > say he

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > would not

> follow

> > > > father's

> > > > > >>>>> profession.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >

> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > Shubhangi

> Naik

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Dear Sir,

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Sorry for

> > > > intervening in

> > > > > >>>>> your session, but

> > > > > >>>>> I am

> > > > > >>>>> > >> curious

> > > > > >>>>> > >> to

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > know

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > the logic

> behind

> > > > jupiter

> > > > > >>>>> losing its strength

> > > > > >>>>> in leo

> > > > > >>>>> > >> and

> > > > > >>>>> > >> hence

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > this

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > email.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Yes, your

> > dictum

> > > > worked

> > > > > >>>>> in my brother's

> > > > > >>>>> case also.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >My brother

> has

> > > > sun+jup

> > > > > >>>>> in leo but in 8th, no

> > > > > >>>>> > >> doubt he

> > > > > >>>>> > >> is very

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > intelligent

but

> > did

> > > > not do

> > > > > >>>>> much well in

> > > > > >>>>> academics

> > > > > >>>>> > >> and yes,

> > > > > >>>>> > >> he

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > did

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > fail once in

> his

> > > 10th

> > > > class.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >With my

half

> > > > knowledge I

> > > > > >>>>> thought the reason

> > > > > >>>>> to

> > > > > >>>>> > >> be the

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > positioning

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > of both the

> > planets

> > > in

> > > > 8th,

> > > > > >>>>> but now curious to

> > > > > >>>>> know

> > > > > >>>>> > >> why jup

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > losses

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > strength in

leo.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >But though

> both

> > > > planets

> > > > > >>>>> are positioned in

> > > > > >>>>> 8th, both

> > > > > >>>>> > >> father

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > and

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > son shares

good

> > > > relation

> > > > > >>>>> with each other.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >Shubhangi

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >On Wed, 15

> Sep

> > > 2004

> > > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar wrote :

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira,

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>There you

> see

> > > the

> > > > > >>>>> dictum working. Is it

> > > > > >>>>> not?

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>Regards,

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >

> >>Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>

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