2nd house Jup in various roles--to Chandraji

September 21, 2004

Dear Chandrashekarji,

I have seen a horoscope of a native with leo lagna with jupiter in fifth

house (Sagitarious). This native and his son do not see each other eye to

eye. Hence, jupiter does not give good result in own house.

Sunil

>Chandrashekhar <boxdel

>Neel <neelavannan_radha

>CC: vedic astrology

>Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 2nd house Jup in various roles--to

>Chandraji

>Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:13:35 +0530

>

>Dear Neel,

>There are different opinions about how to interpret Jupiter and Saturn. My

>opinion is that stronger the Jupiter, greater the damage to the house he

>tenants unless in own house.

>Chandrashekhar.

>

>Neel wrote:

>

>>Dear Chandrashekarji,

>> If Jupiter is in Leo, and Leo being Lagna does it mean it will

>>cause harm to 1st house matters?

>>

>>As Jupiter gets dig bala in Lagna, it may be strong here.

>>

>>Regards

>>Neel

>>vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

>>wrote:

>> > Dear Pradeep,

>> > Leo being 5th house in Natural Zodiac, Jupiter there does cause

>>harm to

>> > that house indicating the Putra Bhava. He gets somewhat weak in Leo

>>even

>> > in natal chart but modification would be there depending his house

>> > lordship no doubt.

>> > Chandrashekhar.

>> >

>> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>> >

>> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>> > >

>> > > I remember seeing discussions regarding simhashta when jupiter was

>> > > crossing over to Leo,the previous year.Also as you have said

>>Pisces

>> > > is 8th from leo while Dhanu is 5th.But is it only for muhurtas w.r

>> > > to transit or natal positions in charts as well?

>> > >

>> > > Respect

>> > > Pradeep

>> > >

>> > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

>><boxdel>

>> > > wrote:

>> > > > Dear Pradeep,

>> > > > This has more to do with Guru being Simhastha when it is bereft

>>of

>> > > Bala

>> > > > and that is the reason Marriage muhurtas for that period are not

>> > > > considered. That he becomes Avarohi would be more relevant in

>> > > dasha

>> > > > results no doubt. These are well established dictums and I do

>>not

>> > > > usually try to analyze them. A reason could be that from that

>> > > position

>> > > > Sun becomes, in a way, temporary enemy of Guru if we consider

>>his

>> > > > houses being 5th and 8th from Leo.

>> > > > Chandrashekhar.

>> > > >

>> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>> > > > >

>> > > > > You have written about jupiter losing strength in Leo.Is

>>Jupiters

>> > > > > movement out of its exaltation place the reason behind your

>> > > > > statement.Also similar to a case which you have explained

>> > > sometime

>> > > > > back,will aspect of sun on this jupiter strengthen it.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Respect

>> > > > > Pradeep

>> > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

>> > > <boxdel>

>> > > > > wrote:

>> > > > > > Dear Vishnu,

>> > > > > > The dictum rarely fails.

>> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Vishnu Jandhyala wrote:

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>> > > > > > > Dear Sri Chandrashekhar & Dhira,

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > I have Jupiter in 2nd in moolatrikona. I would say I have

>> > > seen

>> > > > > the ugly

>> > > > > > > side of it.

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > warm regards,

>> > > > > > > Vishnu

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Dear Dhira,

>> > > > > > > > In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in

>>Leo.

>> > > Any

>> > > > > > > > problems

>> > > > > > > > in education?

>> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

>> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > It's in COVA that when Jupiter occupies 2nd house, it

>> > > will

>> > > > > not

>> > > > > > > > count for

>> > > > > > > > > karaka bhava nyasa. By the way, I have Jupiter in 2nd

>> > > house.

>> > > > > Any

>> > > > > > > > > questions?

>> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > Yours,

>> > > > > > > > > Dhira Krsna dasa,

>> > > > > > > > > Jyotishi

>> > > > > > > > > http://www.radhadesh.com

>> > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html

>> > > > > > > > >

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September 21, 2004

Dear Sunil Jain,

How can you establish a "Jupiter conclusion" based on ONE SINGLE chart ?

Let me just inform you that I have Leo lagna with Jupiter in Sag/5th and

good relations with both my (now grown up) children from first marriage and

very tight relations with those form my current/second mariage (teenagers

+).

I suggest that you look at many other factors related to Jupiter (aspects,

argala etc) in many charts before reaching such any drastic conclusion...

Besides, many (millions...) of sons don't see eye to eye with their

fathers/parents regardless of Jupiters position ...

/Jay Weiss

http://www.alvicomm.com

http://www.alvicomm.com/vedic.htm

-

"Sunil Jain" <jain_sunil27

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Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:58 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 2nd house Jup in various roles--to

Chandraji

> Dear Chandrashekarji,

>

> I have seen a horoscope of a native with leo lagna with jupiter in fifth

> house (Sagitarious). This native and his son do not see each other eye to

> eye. Hence, jupiter does not give good result in own house.

>

> Sunil

>

>>Chandrashekhar <boxdel

>>Neel <neelavannan_radha

>>CC: vedic astrology

>>Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 2nd house Jup in various roles--to

>>Chandraji

>>Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:13:35 +0530

>>

>>Dear Neel,

>>There are different opinions about how to interpret Jupiter and Saturn. My

>>opinion is that stronger the Jupiter, greater the damage to the house he

>>tenants unless in own house.

>>Chandrashekhar.

>>

>>Neel wrote:

>>

>>>Dear Chandrashekarji,

>>> If Jupiter is in Leo, and Leo being Lagna does it mean it will

>>>cause harm to 1st house matters?

>>>

>>>As Jupiter gets dig bala in Lagna, it may be strong here.

>>>

>>>Regards

>>>Neel

>>>vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

>>>wrote:

>>> > Dear Pradeep,

>>> > Leo being 5th house in Natural Zodiac, Jupiter there does cause

>>>harm to

>>> > that house indicating the Putra Bhava. He gets somewhat weak in Leo

>>>even

>>> > in natal chart but modification would be there depending his house

>>> > lordship no doubt.

>>> > Chandrashekhar.

>>> >

>>> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>>> >

>>> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>>> > >

>>> > > I remember seeing discussions regarding simhashta when jupiter was

>>> > > crossing over to Leo,the previous year.Also as you have said

>>>Pisces

>>> > > is 8th from leo while Dhanu is 5th.But is it only for muhurtas w.r

>>> > > to transit or natal positions in charts as well?

>>> > >

>>> > > Respect

>>> > > Pradeep

>>> > >

>>> > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

>>><boxdel>

>>> > > wrote:

>>> > > > Dear Pradeep,

>>> > > > This has more to do with Guru being Simhastha when it is bereft

>>>of

>>> > > Bala

>>> > > > and that is the reason Marriage muhurtas for that period are not

>>> > > > considered. That he becomes Avarohi would be more relevant in

>>> > > dasha

>>> > > > results no doubt. These are well established dictums and I do

>>>not

>>> > > > usually try to analyze them. A reason could be that from that

>>> > > position

>>> > > > Sun becomes, in a way, temporary enemy of Guru if we consider

>>>his

>>> > > > houses being 5th and 8th from Leo.

>>> > > > Chandrashekhar.

>>> > > >

>>> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>>> > > >

>>> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>>> > > > >

>>> > > > > You have written about jupiter losing strength in Leo.Is

>>>Jupiters

>>> > > > > movement out of its exaltation place the reason behind your

>>> > > > > statement.Also similar to a case which you have explained

>>> > > sometime

>>> > > > > back,will aspect of sun on this jupiter strengthen it.

>>> > > > >

>>> > > > > Respect

>>> > > > > Pradeep

>>> > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

>>> > > <boxdel>

>>> > > > > wrote:

>>> > > > > > Dear Vishnu,

>>> > > > > > The dictum rarely fails.

>>> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

>>> > > > > >

>>> > > > > > Vishnu Jandhyala wrote:

>>> > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>>> > > > > > > Dear Sri Chandrashekhar & Dhira,

>>> > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > I have Jupiter in 2nd in moolatrikona. I would say I have

>>> > > seen

>>> > > > > the ugly

>>> > > > > > > side of it.

>>> > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > warm regards,

>>> > > > > > > Vishnu

>>> > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

>>> > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > > Dear Dhira,

>>> > > > > > > > In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in

>>>Leo.

>>> > > Any

>>> > > > > > > > problems

>>> > > > > > > > in education?

>>> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

>>> > > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > > Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:

>>> > > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

>>> > > > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > > > It's in COVA that when Jupiter occupies 2nd house, it

>>> > > will

>>> > > > > not

>>> > > > > > > > count for

>>> > > > > > > > > karaka bhava nyasa. By the way, I have Jupiter in 2nd

>>> > > house.

>>> > > > > Any

>>> > > > > > > > > questions?

>>> > > > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > > > Yours,

>>> > > > > > > > > Dhira Krsna dasa,

>>> > > > > > > > > Jyotishi

>>> > > > > > > > > http://www.radhadesh.com

>>> > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html

>>> > > > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic-

>>> > > > > astrology/info.html

>>> > > > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

>>> > > > > > > > vedic astrology-

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>>> > > > > > > > >

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September 21, 2004

Dear Razdan,

Read BPHS again, Sage Parashara states opinion of Narada in Ghatika

Lagna

shloka, refers to opinions of the learned (not Brahma) in shloka 15

Ch.11, shloka 15 Ch.12. First shloka of Bhava Pada Adhyaya again

mentions that he is telling the special effects of Pada as told by

other Sages (again not Brahma). He he also mentions opinion of others

in

first shloka of Karaka Adhyaya. The great Sage has in almost all

Adhyayas given credit to other learneds in one or other of the shlokas,

besides what

Maitreya himself said to Sage Parashara in the beginning of

Ashtakavarga Adhyaya. In Shloka 1 of that Adhyaya Maitreya clearly says

that Parashara has given opinions of many Rishis and Acharyas. So

saying that Parashara only told what had been revealed to him by Lord

Brahma would be showing disrespect to the Great sage who had the

magnanimity to give credit to other Rishis and Acharyas.

Since you are questioning veracity and authority of the shlokas that I

quoted, I would like to give you the Texts in which the shlokas appear.

If you read Tatvapradeepjataka and Chamatkaar Chintamani you will find

them. The first text has the shlokas and the later again mentions same

shlokas. If you read Chamatkar Chintamani further you will find Jupiter

giving harm to at least one indication of each of the houses/bhavas he

occupies. It also mentions a shloka from Purana which says:

" Lord Rama had to undergo vanvaas on account of Guru in Lagna, Guru

in third sent Bali to Patala. Guru in fourth tested Satwa of King

Harishchandra, Guru in sixth made Draupadi face Cheerharana. Guru in

eighth destroyed (Nasha) Ravana, Tenth house Guru killed Duryodhana and

12th house Guru sent Pandu to forest." It further says that Bhishma was

deprived of Kingdom on account of Guru in 2nd, King Dasharath had to

loose his Son Rama (Putrashoka) on account of Guru in 5th. Aja Raja had

to suffer separation from his wife on account of Guru in Seventh.

Vishwamitra had to consume non eatables (Abhakshya) on account of his

Guru in 9th."

I would not like to respond to your other comments but would like to

mention here that the group is formed with an intention of learning and

discussing principles of astrology. I do not to your

assumption of astrology being a rigid science not open to

interpretation. Some of your comments are uncalled for.

Chandrashekhar.

PNRazdan wrote:

Dear Chandarshekhar,

There is nothing amusing in my reasoning. Parashara is quoting no

ordinary Muni but Lord Brahma himself which gave us the BPHS.Similarly

Prithuysas is quoting his father the great Vrahmihir which gave us the

Horasastra. Equating your shaloka quoting a nameless sage (not sages as

I said earlier, but only one sage-I was incorrect because the noun and

verb is singular) would be like showing candle to the Sun.

I dont think this discussion is going to serve any purpose. You are not

prepared to reveal the origin of the shalok you are so much depending

upon. By now it seems it is something casually said to which I attached

more than necessary importance. You seem to have attained the role of

some sort of a master in this group wanting your disciples to hunt for

themselves what you hint at. But I dont think this is an Ashram. This

is a forum of discussion where an academic discussion takes place

openly without reservations. Or possibly there may be other reasons for

you not to come out openly.

The moral of this story however is clear. Astrology is a science. It

has a method. Under this method several books have all along treated

Jup as a benefic planet and all interpretations are based on this

principle with modifications depending on its functionality, place,

lordship, strength etc etc. If you now put forth a crazy idea that

Jupiter is a malefic or malefic like planet ( destroys the house it is

placed in), it turns the science from a method into a madness. It will

put doubts into the minds of all astrologists while interpreting its

effects, particularly on young minds aspiring to learn jyotish. Already

I see a discussion started on these lines on this group which in my

opinion is energy wasted on a wrong notion. Everytime one sees Jup in a

house, a doubt will arise as to whether it is good or bad. Some will

associate it with good they had in that house and others with whatever

bad they had.

So if you are determined to reap cheap publicity by making radical,

unauthenticated and unconventional "advices", you may do so as this is

a free forum. But the least I can say is that this would be the

greatest disservice to the field of Vedic Astrology.

My humble suggestion to learned members would be to accept any advice only after

their own study and research and use dependable commentators

like Raman, Rao etc.for clarifications. It would be fair to treat any

advice seriously only if it is backed up by its source so as to make

independent verification possible unless the author says it to be his

own research/ experience. Chandarshekharji, so let us decide to close this discussion as friends

(not by coincidence are we both having Jup as lagnesh).

So far I didnot discuss specifics with you since I was on a headlines

discussion. Let me now respond to your last two queries.The reference to Jup in the

Second house discussion of BPHS has to be read in totality i.e all the

three shalokas 1,2 and 3 and not the 3rd only. Let me give a gist of

each here

First shaloka: Dhanesh in second, quadrants, trines is dhanvridhikarak

(wealth giving) in 6,8,12 opposite.

Second Shaloka: Benefics in 2nd house, conjunct or aspected by

benefics- wealth giving. Malefics in 2nd house opposite effect. Nowhere

is jupiter separated out as you claim to be.So long as it is known as a

benefic, it qualifies to be a wealth giver according to this shaloka.

Third Shaloka: If 2nd lord is Jupiter and is also posited in the same

house. And if Mars is also placed with it, then the subject becomes

wealthy. Period.

This does not mean that if Mars is not there, Jupiter alone will harm

the house. This is an implication which you are trying to make out

probably to make your Muni's dictum hold good. Parashara never means

it. He means to say that while a swagrahi jupiter in second is enough

to make one rich but with Mars there it adds to ones wealth. Mark the

sanskrit words "Vapi" meaning 'in addition".

And then you are contradicting your own self since even without Mars,

Jupiter would still be swagrahi which as per your shaloka is not bad.

So why Mars becomes necessary to support?

As regards your second point, I am unfortunately not getting the

shaloka since I have a different edition. There is no chapter on

Kakshya and I took it as Karkanshya Phal Adhyay which has no shalok

wanting Jup to have support of benefics to give good results.

Sorry for the long mail. Regards

Pran Razdan

--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Razdan,

I am amused at the reasoning put forward by you that if some author quotes some

other authority, he is not an authority on the subject.

If that be so all those you treat as authorities, including Parashara,

Varahamihira (By the way I have not heard of Mantracharya) would also

be reduced to the status of ignoramus. All of those who are treated as

authorities have given opinions of others by either referring to

their names or saying precisely what the shloka says that is "so say

Munis". So rest assured none of the Acharyas and Pravartakas will tremble at

what I have stated. The reason I am not giving the name of the

authority is I want people to read various texts and find out for themselves.

There are numerous texts and it takes time to remember the name of author of

each and every shloka one quotes is the other reason.

If you do not want to read commentaries, your choice of astrological texts would

be reduced to almost one or two as every author of note, states at the beginning

of his text that he is only telling what

others have told before him in a more concise form, including Varaha Mihira.

Maitreya also asks Parashara that as he has till now told principles

of astrology on the basis of what others have told he should give a relatively

easy method so that transit of planets could be used for prediction by those

slow of grasp in the chapter on Ashtakavarga in

BPHS.

Could you explain the reason of shloka3 Chapter 13 of BPHS? What is

the reason for Parashara to qualify Jupiter's being Lord of the 2nd when placed

in 2nd or needing to be with Mars there to make one wealthy, implying that

Jupiter in other cases by its mere presence in 2nd

would not be capable of conferring wealth on one. I hope you do not dispute

knowledge of Parashara himself or think he is quoting without

authority. While at BPHS you may also like to reason out why CH.43 shloka 48

tells that for Jupiter to give Kakshya Vridhi it has to be aspected by a benefic

when in Lagna or 7th house. Think why Jupiter by himself does

not give Kakshya Vriddhi in longevity.

Chandrashekhar.

PNRazdan wrote:

Dear Chandarshekhar,

As already informed I have already read the shalok quoted by you in

support of your contention. jIv> SvSwanhNta vdit muinvra +iòrSy àzSta,

saEir SvSwanpal> prmÉykir +iòrSy ànòa.

But please understand, this shaloka by itself does not establish the

thesis you are trying to put forward. It has to be backed up by the

author, his standing in the astrological field, the time when it was

said and the context in which it was said. Literally translated, the

Shalok means "Guru destroys the house it is placed in and dignifies

the

house it aspects, so say the sages. Saturn protects the house it is

in

while its dangerous aspect destroys it". Mark the words "vdit

muinvra"

i.e.so say the sages. This means that this shaloka too is somebody

else's quote and not that of its author. Who is the author of this

blatant theory after all?

Chandarshekharji, you are making an important and revolutionary

statement which if followed shall change the entire structure of

Vedic

Astrology. (I am sure Parasara, Varamihir, Mantracharya all must

have

stumbled in swargloka after hearing this shaloka). You have

therefore

to back it up equally strongly. Sanskrit shalokas can be written by

anybody, even a primary class student studying sanskrit. It does not

mean we should accept any shalok blindly simply because it is

written

in sanskrit.

At one stage you said this is a shaloka and we need not go into its

reasoning. OK but tell us the name of the author who is so respected

in

this field that we donot question his authority. In your other mail you have

advised me to read commentaries of Pt.

Gopeshkumar Oza and Pt. Kedardatt Joshi. Why should I read

commentaries

and not the original shalokas if I know sanskrit very well. So, as a learned

Guru please favour all of us with the background

information on the shaloka complete with your masterly reasoning why

you are so convinced of its truth and applicability in the lives of

human beings.

I shall not go into the discussion of individual charts as it is

common

knowledge that results depend on many factors. If you are now

holding

Jup responsible for any bad thing that happened in the lives of

these

people, then the debate would be endless. Besides Lakshmi has very

nicely handled this issue and replied the post point by point.

Pran Razdan

--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Razdan,

I have already given the relevant shloka and others have given

other

shlokas too. I have already advised you to go through the archives

but it appears you have not done so. Have you found shloka about

Jupiter's position in certain Rasis giving problems in progeny at least?

You have mentioned many personalities, how much do you know about

their personal lives to say that Jupiter has not harmed the house that occupies?

Does A.B. Vajpayee has his own family? Check up. Also

check

up what lata Mangeshkar did to her sister to understand what Guru in

Lagna can do.

I have not made any sweeping statement. If you read the list, many

have agreed to what I have said from their own experience. I have also

said that one has to apply the dictum in proper perspective to get

correct

results. For this one has to know all the dictums, like all planets

give good results in own house and all planets are capable of giving

good

results in 11th house. I think I have written umpteen times that no

principle can be applied on standalone basis but has to be applied

after taking into consideration all variables.

The case mentioned by dear Lakshmi have Jupiter in own house or

Saturn who protects the house is also conjunct Jupiter, if I remember

right.

The dictum being Sthana Bhrashta karoti JeevaH , sthana rakshati

mandaH, the results that are stated to be obtained are in keeping with the

dictum.

Chandrashekhar.

PNRazdan wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar, I have been reading your posts on this subject all along but

failed

to

get your source of conviction.

We all agree that Jup too has its unfavourable positions and

traits.

We know it is a stronger Maraka, we also know that it is a

functional

malefic in Taurus, Libra, Capri etc laganas. We also know that it

gets

KP dosh in quadrant lordship, although KPdosh means only holding

beneficial/malefic qualities, nothing more, but we extend the

argument

further by making them good or bad. These are well established

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Dear Sunil,

Yes this is a well known dictum which has to be applied with sense of

proportion to see results for oneself.

Chandrashekhar.

Sunil Jain wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekarji,

>

> I have seen a horoscope of a native with leo lagna with jupiter in

> fifth house (Sagitarious). This native and his son do not see each

> other eye to eye. Hence, jupiter does not give good result in own house.

>

> Sunil

>

>> Chandrashekhar <boxdel

>> Neel <neelavannan_radha

>> CC: vedic astrology

>> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 2nd house Jup in various roles--to

>> Chandraji

>> Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:13:35 +0530

>>

>> Dear Neel,

>> There are different opinions about how to interpret Jupiter and

>> Saturn. My opinion is that stronger the Jupiter, greater the damage

>> to the house he tenants unless in own house.

>> Chandrashekhar.

>>

>> Neel wrote:

>>

>>> Dear Chandrashekarji,

>>> If Jupiter is in Leo, and Leo being Lagna does it mean it will

>>> cause harm to 1st house matters?

>>>

>>> As Jupiter gets dig bala in Lagna, it may be strong here.

>>>

>>> Regards

>>> Neel

>>> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

>>> wrote:

>>> > Dear Pradeep,

>>> > Leo being 5th house in Natural Zodiac, Jupiter there does cause

>>> harm to

>>> > that house indicating the Putra Bhava. He gets somewhat weak in Leo

>>> even

>>> > in natal chart but modification would be there depending his house

>>> > lordship no doubt.

>>> > Chandrashekhar.

>>> >

>>> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>>> >

>>> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>>> > >

>>> > > I remember seeing discussions regarding simhashta when jupiter was

>>> > > crossing over to Leo,the previous year.Also as you have said

>>> Pisces

>>> > > is 8th from leo while Dhanu is 5th.But is it only for muhurtas w.r

>>> > > to transit or natal positions in charts as well?

>>> > >

>>> > > Respect

>>> > > Pradeep

>>> > >

>>> > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

>>> <boxdel>

>>> > > wrote:

>>> > > > Dear Pradeep,

>>> > > > This has more to do with Guru being Simhastha when it is bereft

>>> of

>>> > > Bala

>>> > > > and that is the reason Marriage muhurtas for that period are not

>>> > > > considered. That he becomes Avarohi would be more relevant in

>>> > > dasha

>>> > > > results no doubt. These are well established dictums and I do

>>> not

>>> > > > usually try to analyze them. A reason could be that from that

>>> > > position

>>> > > > Sun becomes, in a way, temporary enemy of Guru if we consider

>>> his

>>> > > > houses being 5th and 8th from Leo.

>>> > > > Chandrashekhar.

>>> > > >

>>> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>>> > > >

>>> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>>> > > > >

>>> > > > > You have written about jupiter losing strength in Leo.Is

>>> Jupiters

>>> > > > > movement out of its exaltation place the reason behind your

>>> > > > > statement.Also similar to a case which you have explained

>>> > > sometime

>>> > > > > back,will aspect of sun on this jupiter strengthen it.

>>> > > > >

>>> > > > > Respect

>>> > > > > Pradeep

>>> > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

>>> > > <boxdel>

>>> > > > > wrote:

>>> > > > > > Dear Vishnu,

>>> > > > > > The dictum rarely fails.

>>> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

>>> > > > > >

>>> > > > > > Vishnu Jandhyala wrote:

>>> > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>>> > > > > > > Dear Sri Chandrashekhar & Dhira,

>>> > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > I have Jupiter in 2nd in moolatrikona. I would say I have

>>> > > seen

>>> > > > > the ugly

>>> > > > > > > side of it.

>>> > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > warm regards,

>>> > > > > > > Vishnu

>>> > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

>>> > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > > Dear Dhira,

>>> > > > > > > > In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in

>>> Leo.

>>> > > Any

>>> > > > > > > > problems

>>> > > > > > > > in education?

>>> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

>>> > > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > > Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:

>>> > > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

>>> > > > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > > > It's in COVA that when Jupiter occupies 2nd house, it

>>> > > will

>>> > > > > not

>>> > > > > > > > count for

>>> > > > > > > > > karaka bhava nyasa. By the way, I have Jupiter in 2nd

>>> > > house.

>>> > > > > Any

>>> > > > > > > > > questions?

>>> > > > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > > > Yours,

>>> > > > > > > > > Dhira Krsna dasa,

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September 21, 2004

|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Chandrashekhar,

Thank you for the comment from the puranas.

" Lord Rama had to undergo vanvaas on account of Guru in Lagna, Guru in third

sent Bali to Patala. Guru in fourth tested Satwa of King Harishchandra, Guru

in sixth made Draupadi face Cheerharana. Guru in eighth destroyed (Nasha)

Ravana, Tenth house Guru killed Duryodhana and 12th house Guru sent Pandu to

forest." It further says that Bhishma was deprived of Kingdom on account of

Guru in 2nd, King Dasharath had to loose his Son Rama (Putrashoka) on account

of Guru in 5th. Aja Raja had to suffer separation from his wife on account of

Guru in Seventh. Vishwamitra had to consume non eatables (Abhakshya) on account

of his Guru in 9th."

Regards

Sarajit

-

Chandrashekhar

PNRazdan

Cc: Prafulla Gang ; vedic astrology

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:00 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 2nd house Jup in various roles--to Chandraji

Dear Razdan,Read BPHS again, Sage Parashara states opinion of Narada in Ghatika

Lagna shloka, refers to opinions of the learned (not Brahma) in shloka 15

Ch.11, shloka 15 Ch.12. First shloka of Bhava Pada Adhyaya again mentions that

he is telling the special effects of Pada as told by other Sages (again not

Brahma). He he also mentions opinion of others in first shloka of Karaka

Adhyaya. The great Sage has in almost all Adhyayas given credit to other

learneds in one or other of the shlokas, besides what Maitreya himself said to

Sage Parashara in the beginning of Ashtakavarga Adhyaya. In Shloka 1 of that

Adhyaya Maitreya clearly says that Parashara has given opinions of many Rishis

and Acharyas. So saying that Parashara only told what had been revealed to him

by Lord Brahma would be showing disrespect to the Great sage who had the

magnanimity to give credit to other Rishis and Acharyas. Since you are

questioning veracity and authority of the shlokas that I quoted, I would like

to give you the Texts in which the shlokas appear. If you read

Tatvapradeepjataka and Chamatkaar Chintamani you will find them. The first text

has the shlokas and the later again mentions same shlokas. If you read Chamatkar

Chintamani further you will find Jupiter giving harm to at least one indication

of each of the houses/bhavas he occupies. It also mentions a shloka from Purana

which says: " Lord Rama had to undergo vanvaas on account of Guru in Lagna, Guru

in third sent Bali to Patala. Guru in fourth tested Satwa of King

Harishchandra, Guru in sixth made Draupadi face Cheerharana. Guru in eighth

destroyed (Nasha) Ravana, Tenth house Guru killed Duryodhana and 12th house

Guru sent Pandu to forest." It further says that Bhishma was deprived of

Kingdom on account of Guru in 2nd, King Dasharath had to loose his Son Rama

(Putrashoka) on account of Guru in 5th. Aja Raja had to suffer separation from

his wife on account of Guru in Seventh. Vishwamitra had to consume non eatables

(Abhakshya) on account of his Guru in 9th."I would not like to respond to your

other comments but would like to mention here that the group is formed with an

intention of learning and discussing principles of astrology. I do not

to your assumption of astrology being a rigid science not open to

interpretation. Some of your comments are uncalled for.Chandrashekhar.PNRazdan

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