Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Hi Chandrashekhar ji... As I promised to post my jupiter antardasa in Venus mahadasa exp... Beginning of Jupiter dasa changed job .. (01/Jun/2001) . Elder brother got married in same month... and started tragedy on family front, worst phase of my life on family front. got promotion every year almost throughout my career which continued even in this period. During same time as i was aware of some basics of astrology kept myself engaged in short trips to diff. part of India for business purpose and tried to keep myelf away from any foreign projects. But starting on 2003 because of project work came to USA for 45 days (09/Mar/2003) and due to my work client extended me for long term . went back to India during Feb 2004 . and came back in same month . but still at family front there was great chaos .. even during vacaion could get any rest... Jupiter in Venus period In short : Family front : Disaster... ( as posted by Trivedi ji) Finance : was good .. made enough money... ( As posted by you). Travel : Came to USA .... (As posted by you) Hope this will help you all ... I have one question .. Many people told me that i have some combination in horoscope that will make me to settle down here.. but i as per B.V. Ramans' book how to judge horoscope if the 12th house from langa lord and it's lord is placed fav. person earns his livehood in his own country .. in my case 12th lord from saturn is venus which is exalted .. what does it indicate? Bye, Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Yogesh,You should have had a good period as Jupiter is in own house. Now doubt some problems could have been there as jupiter is also 11th lord , perhaps in second half of the Jup Antar. Some travel or even marriage, if not already married in 2003 as Jupiter had joined the 7th in transit then. Some problems regarding associates could have arisen in 2003.Chandrashekhar.Jitjag wrote: hi Mukund and Chandrashekhar ji, I have Venus and Jupiter in Second house ... My birth details is as follow ... Birth date : 5th March 1975 Time : 7.00 AM Place Bombay , India ... I have just passed thru the Jupiter in Venus Maha dasa... Mukund and Chandreshkhar ji , Do you want to analyze it ? I will post my exp. of same period. later sometime... Bye , Yogesh Shah Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Mukund,If my memory serves me right that is only applicable if Jupiter occupies own house in 2nd. Why not check horoscopes of persons with Jupiter in 2nd to find out what is right?Chandrashekhar.monmuk111 wrote: Hello Chandraji:There is some confusion as to "Jupiter in 2nd, harms the 2nd." You may be making an error saying this. I clearly remember reading in one of Sanjay's books and also seen discussed here that "Karak Bhava Naso" dictum doesn't apply to Jupiter and Sun, i.e. Jupiter in 9th and Sun in 9th enhance the qualities of the 9th house rather than destroy it.Can you please enlighten us with further explanations. Thanks.Mukund--- In vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Sunil,> It would. A stronger Jupiter there would, likely, cause more harm than > weaker one. Only exception would be when he is in own house.> Chandrashekhar.> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:> > > Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, and others,> >> > A wonderful topic indeed. It would be nice if the following queries> > are replied although I am deviating from the topic at hand.> >> > 1. If Jup is in the 2nd house, would it harm the significations of> > the 2nd house e.g wealth.> > 2. What would be the effects of a 2nd house Debilitated Jup> > 3.What would be the effects of a 2nd house Exalted Jup.> >> > Kind regards,> >> > Sunil John> > Mumbai> >> >> > vedic astrology, "poolaat" <poolaat>> > wrote:> > > Dear Mr Chandrashekhar,> > >> > > What is the validity of the statement -Jupiter harms the house he> > > occupies, can you please explain this with examples ?> > >> > > Poolaat.> > >> > >> > > -- In vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>> > wrote:> > > > Dear David,> > > > Jupiter harms the house he occupies. His Joining Moon who> > represents> > > > Manas (mind), would obviously give mental tension to the native.> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > > energonmusic wrote:> > > >> >> >> >> > Archives: vedic astrology> >> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> >> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:32:05 -0700 (PDT)Rampaul Verma Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 2nd house Jup in various roles--to ChandrajiJitjag in one classic jupitor in capricorn in second housecause bisham pitamah to renunciate to be king ratherbe a gaurdian to kingdomfor his nephews by his own given promiseone stmt he say guru and my words both dear to me buti keepmyself to my words given to his father,s father in lawthat i will not marry all my life.on spiritual side he could not be killed unless he will it soso jupitor in 2nd may not be materially so good otherbenefit are may be more deep ram--- Jitjag wrote:> > Hi Chandrashekhar ji...> > > > As I promised to post my jupiter antardasa in> Venus mahadasa exp... > > > > Beginning of Jupiter dasa changed job ..> (01/Jun/2001) .> > Elder brother got married in same month... and > started tragedy on family front, worst phase of my> life on family front. got promotion every year> almost throughout my career which continued even in> this period. > > > > During same time as i was aware of some basics of> astrology kept myself engaged in short trips to> diff. part of India for business purpose and tried> to keep myelf away from any foreign projects. But> starting on 2003 because of project work came to USA> for 45 days (09/Mar/2003) and due to my work client> extended me for long term . went back to India> during Feb 2004 . and came back in same month . but> still at family front there was great chaos ... even> during vacaion could get any rest... > > > > Jupiter in Venus period In short : > > > > Family front : Disaster... ( as posted by Trivedi> ji)> > > > Finance : was good .. made enough money... ( As> posted by you).> > > > Travel : Came to USA .... (As posted by you)> > > > Hope this will help you all ...> > > > > > I have one question .. Many people told me that i> have some combination in horoscope that will make me> to settle down here.. but i as per B.V. Ramans' book> how to judge horoscope if the 12th house from langa> lord and it's lord is placed fav. person earns his> livehood in his own country .. in my case 12th lord> from saturn is venus which is exalted .. what does> it indicate?> > > > > > Bye,> > > > > Chandrashekhar wrote:Dear> Yogesh,> You should have had a good period as Jupiter is in> own house. Now doubt some problems could have been> there as jupiter is also 11th lord , perhaps in> second half of the Jup Antar. Some travel or even> marriage, if not already married in 2003 as Jupiter> had joined the 7th in transit then. Some problems> regarding associates could have arisen in 2003.> Chandrashekhar.> > Jitjag wrote:> hi Mukund and Chandrashekhar ji,> > I have Venus and Jupiter in Second house ... > My birth details is as follow ....> > Birth date : 5th March 1975> Time : 7.00 AM> Place Bombay , India ...> > I have just passed thru the Jupiter in Venus Maha> dasa... > > Mukund and Chandreshkhar ji , Do you want to analyze> it ? I will post my exp. of same period. later> sometime...> > > Bye ,> > Yogesh Shah> > > Chandrashekhar wrote:> Dear Mukund,> If my memory serves me right that is only applicable> if Jupiter occupies own house in 2nd. Why not check> horoscopes of persons with Jupiter in 2nd to find> out what is right?> Chandrashekhar.> > monmuk111 wrote:> Hello Chandraji:> > There is some confusion as to "Jupiter in 2nd, harms> the 2nd." You > may be making an error saying this. > > I clearly remember reading in one of Sanjay's books> and also seen > discussed here that "Karak Bhava Naso" dictum> doesn't apply to > Jupiter and Sun, i.e. Jupiter in 9th and Sun in 9th> enhance the > qualities of the 9th house rather than destroy it.> > Can you please enlighten us with further> explanations. Thanks.> > Mukund> > vedic astrology,> Chandrashekhar > wrote:> > Dear Sunil,> > It would. A stronger Jupiter there would, likely,> cause more harm > than > > weaker one. Only exception would be when he is in> own house.> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:> > > > > Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, and others,> > >> > > A wonderful topic indeed. It would be nice if> the following > queries> > > are replied although I am deviating from the> topic at hand.> > >> > > 1. If Jup is in the 2nd house, would it harm the> significations of> > > the 2nd house e.g wealth.> > > 2. What would be the effects of a 2nd house> Debilitated Jup> > > 3.What would be the effects of a 2nd house> Exalted Jup.> > >> > > Kind regards,> > >> > > Sunil John> > > Mumbai> > >> > >> > > vedic astrology,> "poolaat" > > > wrote:> > > > Dear Mr Chandrashekhar,> > > >> > > > What is the validity of the statement -Jupiter> harms the house > he> > > > occupies, can you please explain this with> examples ?> > > >> > > > Poolaat.> > > >> > > >> > > > -- In vedic astrology,> Chandrashekhar > > > > wrote:> > > > > Dear David,> > > > > Jupiter harms the house he occupies. His> Joining Moon who> > > represents> > > > > Manas (mind), would obviously give mental> tension to the > native.> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > energonmusic wrote:> === message truncated ===New and Improved Mail - 100MB free storage! vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Dear Mr.Chandrashekhar and Mr.Dhira, I also have Jupiter in Leo and I lost the year in 1986 - 87 due to a Calcutta University strike and my family shifting, inspite of being a very good student. It is a big coincidence and hence I am pointing it out. I am Libra ascendent (29.1.68 - 00.33am - Calcutta) How does Jupiter in Leo harm education? Thanks Regards Anuradha --- Dhira Krsna BCS <Dhira.Krsna.BCS wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > >In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength > in Leo. Any problems > >in education? > > No, except for one year I didn't study and failed. > That was in 1986-87, my > first year of university. Interesting, I get > Vimshottari Ven-Rahu-Jup and > Sat for that year. > > Yours, > Dhira Krsna dasa, > Jyotishi > http://www.radhadesh.com > http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click./L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/.8XolB/TM > --~-> > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > Links > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Dear Sir, Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am curious to know the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and hence this email. Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case also. My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt he is very intelligent but did not do much well in academics and yes, he did fail once in his 10th class. With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the positioning of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why jup losses strength in leo. But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both father and son shares good relation with each other. Thanks, Shubhangi On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote : >Dear Dhira, >There you see the dictum working. Is it not? >Regards, >Chandrashekhar. > >Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: > >>Dear Chandrashekhar, >> >> >>>In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in Leo. Any problems >>>in education? >>> >> >>No, except for one year I didn't study and failed. That was in 1986-87, my >>first year of university. Interesting, I get Vimshottari Ven-Rahu-Jup and >>Sat for that year. >> >>Yours, >>Dhira Krsna dasa, >>Jyotishi >>http://www.radhadesh.com >>http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Dear Chandrashekhar ji You have written about jupiter losing strength in Leo.Is Jupiters movement out of its exaltation place the reason behind your statement.Also similar to a case which you have explained sometime back,will aspect of sun on this jupiter strengthen it. Respect Pradeep vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Vishnu, > The dictum rarely fails. > Chandrashekhar. > > Vishnu Jandhyala wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Sri Chandrashekhar & Dhira, > > > > I have Jupiter in 2nd in moolatrikona. I would say I have seen the ugly > > side of it. > > > > warm regards, > > Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > > Dear Dhira, > > > In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in Leo. Any > > > problems > > > in education? > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > It's in COVA that when Jupiter occupies 2nd house, it will not > > > count for > > > > karaka bhava nyasa. By the way, I have Jupiter in 2nd house. Any > > > > questions? > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > Dhira Krsna dasa, > > > > Jyotishi > > > > http://www.radhadesh.com > > > > http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > > > > > click here > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=12981uep5/M=295196.4901138.6071305.30011 76/D=groups/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1095104540/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf 6/*http://companion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > > > * Links* > > > > > > > > * > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > > > * > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology? subject=Un> > > > > > > > > * Terms of > > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > ||Om akhandala mandalaa kaaram > > vyaaptam yena charaa charam > > tatpadam darsitam yena > > tasmai sri gurave namaha || > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > click here > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129ljuero/M=295196.4901138.6071305.30011 76/D=groups/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1095191778/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf 6/*http://companion.> > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > * Links* > > > > * > > vedic astrology/ > > > > * > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology? subject=Un> > > > > * Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Dear Yogesh, Your fourth house has Ketu and 12th Mars and Mercury, thus both the 4th and 12th house are afflicted. Both Ketu and Mars have strength from Navamsha, so it would not be impossible that you settle abroad. 12th Lord from 12th house is no doubt well placed and strong, but we have to consider the 12th house itself too. Chandrashekhar. Jitjag wrote: Hi Chandrashekhar ji... As I promised to post my jupiter antardasa in Venus mahadasa exp... Beginning of Jupiter dasa changed job .. (01/Jun/2001) . Elder brother got married in same month... and started tragedy on family front, worst phase of my life on family front. got promotion every year almost throughout my career which continued even in this period. During same time as i was aware of some basics of astrology kept myself engaged in short trips to diff. part of India for business purpose and tried to keep myelf away from any foreign projects. But starting on 2003 because of project work came to USA for 45 days (09/Mar/2003) and due to my work client extended me for long term . went back to India during Feb 2004 . and came back in same month . but still at family front there was great chaos .. even during vacaion could get any rest... Jupiter in Venus period In short : Family front : Disaster... ( as posted by Trivedi ji) Finance : was good .. made enough money... ( As posted by you). Travel : Came to USA .... (As posted by you) Hope this will help you all ... I have one question .. Many people told me that i have some combination in horoscope that will make me to settle down here.. but i as per B.V. Ramans' book how to judge horoscope if the 12th house from langa lord and it's lord is placed fav. person earns his livehood in his own country .. in my case 12th lord from saturn is venus which is exalted .. what does it indicate? Bye, Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Yogesh, You should have had a good period as Jupiter is in own house. Now doubt some problems could have been there as jupiter is also 11th lord , perhaps in second half of the Jup Antar. Some travel or even marriage, if not already married in 2003 as Jupiter had joined the 7th in transit then. Some problems regarding associates could have arisen in 2003. Chandrashekhar. Jitjag wrote: hi Mukund and Chandrashekhar ji, I have Venus and Jupiter in Second house ... My birth details is as follow ... Birth date : 5th March 1975 Time : 7.00 AM Place Bombay , India ... I have just passed thru the Jupiter in Venus Maha dasa... Mukund and Chandreshkhar ji , Do you want to analyze it ? I will post my exp. of same period. later sometime... Bye , Yogesh Shah Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Mukund, If my memory serves me right that is only applicable if Jupiter occupies own house in 2nd. Why not check horoscopes of persons with Jupiter in 2nd to find out what is right? Chandrashekhar. monmuk111 wrote: Hello Chandraji: There is some confusion as to "Jupiter in 2nd, harms the 2nd." You may be making an error saying this. I clearly remember reading in one of Sanjay's books and also seen discussed here that "Karak Bhava Naso" dictum doesn't apply to Jupiter and Sun, i.e. Jupiter in 9th and Sun in 9th enhance the qualities of the 9th house rather than destroy it. Can you please enlighten us with further explanations. Thanks. Mukund vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Sunil, > It would. A stronger Jupiter there would, likely, cause more harm than > weaker one. Only exception would be when he is in own house. > Chandrashekhar. > > suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, and others, > > > > A wonderful topic indeed. It would be nice if the following queries > > are replied although I am deviating from the topic at hand. > > > > 1. If Jup is in the 2nd house, would it harm the significations of > > the 2nd house e.g wealth. > > 2. What would be the effects of a 2nd house Debilitated Jup > > 3.What would be the effects of a 2nd house Exalted Jup. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Sunil John > > Mumbai > > > > > > vedic astrology, "poolaat" <poolaat> > > wrote: > > > Dear Mr Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > What is the validity of the statement -Jupiter harms the house he > > > occupies, can you please explain this with examples ? > > > > > > Poolaat. > > > > > > > > > -- In vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > > wrote: > > > > Dear David, > > > > Jupiter harms the house he occupies. His Joining Moon who > > represents > > > > Manas (mind), would obviously give mental tension to the native. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > energonmusic wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Dear Anuaradha, Look at your second house to find out whether it is afflicted by a malefic to connect the event. Jupiter in 11th would harm indications of the 11th house and not the 2nd. So relations with elder sibling or his/her sukha might suffer. Chandrashekhar. Anuradha Bansal wrote: Dear Mr.Chandrashekhar and Mr.Dhira, I also have Jupiter in Leo and I lost the year in 1986 - 87 due to a Calcutta University strike and my family shifting, inspite of being a very good student. It is a big coincidence and hence I am pointing it out. I am Libra ascendent (29.1.68 - 00.33am - Calcutta) How does Jupiter in Leo harm education? Thanks Regards Anuradha --- Dhira Krsna BCS <Dhira.Krsna.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > >In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength > in Leo. Any problems > >in education? > > No, except for one year I didn't study and failed. > That was in 1986-87, my > first year of university. Interesting, I get > Vimshottari Ven-Rahu-Jup and > Sat for that year. > > Yours, > Dhira Krsna dasa, > Jyotishi > http://www.radhadesh.com > http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click./L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/.8XolB/TM > --~-> > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > Links > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Dear Shubhangi, Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses his strength in Leo and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages when Jupiter occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is due to the fact of Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being in own Rasi makes him Shubha and therefore good relations with Father. But I would say he would not follow father's profession. Chandrashekhar. Shubhangi Naik wrote: Dear Sir, Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am curious to know the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and hence this email. Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case also. My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt he is very intelligent but did not do much well in academics and yes, he did fail once in his 10th class. With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the positioning of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why jup losses strength in leo. But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both father and son shares good relation with each other. Thanks, Shubhangi On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote : Dear Dhira, There you see the dictum working. Is it not? Regards, Chandrashekhar. Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in Leo. Any problems in education? No, except for one year I didn't study and failed. That was in 1986-87, my first year of university. Interesting, I get Vimshottari Ven-Rahu-Jup and Sat for that year. Yours, Dhira Krsna dasa, Jyotishi http://www.radhadesh.com http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Dear Pradeep, This has more to do with Guru being Simhastha when it is bereft of Bala and that is the reason Marriage muhurtas for that period are not considered. That he becomes Avarohi would be more relevant in dasha results no doubt. These are well established dictums and I do not usually try to analyze them. A reason could be that from that position Sun becomes, in a way, temporary enemy of Guru if we consider his houses being 5th and 8th from Leo. Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar ji You have written about jupiter losing strength in Leo.Is Jupiters movement out of its exaltation place the reason behind your statement.Also similar to a case which you have explained sometime back,will aspect of sun on this jupiter strengthen it. Respect Pradeep vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Vishnu, > The dictum rarely fails. > Chandrashekhar. > > Vishnu Jandhyala wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Sri Chandrashekhar & Dhira, > > > > I have Jupiter in 2nd in moolatrikona. I would say I have seen the ugly > > side of it. > > > > warm regards, > > Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > > Dear Dhira, > > > In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in Leo. Any > > > problems > > > in education? > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > It's in COVA that when Jupiter occupies 2nd house, it will not > > > count for > > > > karaka bhava nyasa. By the way, I have Jupiter in 2nd house. Any > > > > questions? > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > Dhira Krsna dasa, > > > > Jyotishi > > > > http://www.radhadesh.com > > > > http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > > > > > click here > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=12981uep5/M=295196.4901138.6071305.30011 76/D=groups/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1095104540/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf 6/*http://companion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > > > * Links* > > > > > > > > * > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > > > * To from this group, send an email to: > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology? subject=Un> > > > > > > > > * Your use of is subject to the Terms of > > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > ||Om akhandala mandalaa kaaram > > vyaaptam yena charaa charam > > tatpadam darsitam yena > > tasmai sri gurave namaha || > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > click here > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129ljuero/M=295196.4901138.6071305.30011 76/D=groups/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1095191778/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf 6/*http://companion.> > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > * Links* > > > > * > > vedic astrology/ > > > > * > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology? subject=Un> > > > > * Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Dear Chandrashekhar ji In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be preferred in Leo for Muhurta, I do not know much about muhurta related configurations),It may not become weak in terms of Bala necessarily (generally speaking). In fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad. Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have directional strength to initiate for results. There must be more than this reason, for jupiter to give negative results. regards/Prafulla Gang vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Shubhangi, > Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses his strength in Leo > and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages when Jupiter > occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is due to the fact of > Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being in own Rasi makes > him Shubha and therefore good relations with Father. But I would say he > would not follow father's profession. > Chandrashekhar. > > Shubhangi Naik wrote: > > >Dear Sir, > > > >Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am curious to know the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and hence this email. > >Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case also. > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt he is very intelligent but did not do much well in academics and yes, he did fail once in his 10th class. > >With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the positioning of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why jup losses strength in leo. > >But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both father and son shares good relation with each other. > >Thanks, > >Shubhangi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote : > > > > > >>Dear Dhira, > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it not? > >>Regards, > >>Chandrashekhar. > >> > >>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in Leo. Any problems > >>>>in education? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>No, except for one year I didn't study and failed. That was in 1986-87, my > >>>first year of university. Interesting, I get Vimshottari Ven- Rahu-Jup and > >>>Sat for that year. > >>> > >>>Yours, > >>>Dhira Krsna dasa, > >>>Jyotishi > >>>http://www.radhadesh.com > >>>http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Dear Chandrashekhar ji I remember seeing discussions regarding simhashta when jupiter was crossing over to Leo,the previous year.Also as you have said Pisces is 8th from leo while Dhanu is 5th.But is it only for muhurtas w.r to transit or natal positions in charts as well? Respect Pradeep vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Pradeep, > This has more to do with Guru being Simhastha when it is bereft of Bala > and that is the reason Marriage muhurtas for that period are not > considered. That he becomes Avarohi would be more relevant in dasha > results no doubt. These are well established dictums and I do not > usually try to analyze them. A reason could be that from that position > Sun becomes, in a way, temporary enemy of Guru if we consider his > houses being 5th and 8th from Leo. > Chandrashekhar. > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > You have written about jupiter losing strength in Leo.Is Jupiters > > movement out of its exaltation place the reason behind your > > statement.Also similar to a case which you have explained sometime > > back,will aspect of sun on this jupiter strengthen it. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > > wrote: > > > Dear Vishnu, > > > The dictum rarely fails. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Vishnu Jandhyala wrote: > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Sri Chandrashekhar & Dhira, > > > > > > > > I have Jupiter in 2nd in moolatrikona. I would say I have seen > > the ugly > > > > side of it. > > > > > > > > warm regards, > > > > Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhira, > > > > > In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in Leo. Any > > > > > problems > > > > > in education? > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > It's in COVA that when Jupiter occupies 2nd house, it will > > not > > > > > count for > > > > > > karaka bhava nyasa. 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Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Dear Prafulla, Reference to Leo was in connection with what Shubhangi had asked. Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a dictum given by sages and there is no reason to try to find out the reason. If one wants to find the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac Leo is in 5th house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava Dasha. In 11th all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter who is Shubha there. Disha strength is one amongst many strengths considered but not as strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna. Chandrashekhar. Prafulla Gang wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar ji In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be preferred in Leo for Muhurta, I do not know much about muhurta related configurations),It may not become weak in terms of Bala necessarily (generally speaking). In fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad. Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have directional strength to initiate for results. There must be more than this reason, for jupiter to give negative results. regards/Prafulla Gang vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Shubhangi, > Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses his strength in Leo > and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages when Jupiter > occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is due to the fact of > Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being in own Rasi makes > him Shubha and therefore good relations with Father. But I would say he > would not follow father's profession. > Chandrashekhar. > > Shubhangi Naik wrote: > > >Dear Sir, > > > >Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am curious to know the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and hence this email. > >Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case also. > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt he is very intelligent but did not do much well in academics and yes, he did fail once in his 10th class. > >With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the positioning of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why jup losses strength in leo. > >But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both father and son shares good relation with each other. > >Thanks, > >Shubhangi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote : > > > > > >>Dear Dhira, > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it not? > >>Regards, > >>Chandrashekhar. > >> > >>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in Leo. Any problems > >>>>in education? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>No, except for one year I didn't study and failed. That was in 1986-87, my > >>>first year of university. Interesting, I get Vimshottari Ven- Rahu-Jup and > >>>Sat for that year. > >>> > >>>Yours, > >>>Dhira Krsna dasa, > >>>Jyotishi > >>>http://www.radhadesh.com > >>>http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Dear Pradeep, Leo being 5th house in Natural Zodiac, Jupiter there does cause harm to that house indicating the Putra Bhava. He gets somewhat weak in Leo even in natal chart but modification would be there depending his house lordship no doubt. Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar ji I remember seeing discussions regarding simhashta when jupiter was crossing over to Leo,the previous year.Also as you have said Pisces is 8th from leo while Dhanu is 5th.But is it only for muhurtas w.r to transit or natal positions in charts as well? Respect Pradeep vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Pradeep, > This has more to do with Guru being Simhastha when it is bereft of Bala > and that is the reason Marriage muhurtas for that period are not > considered. That he becomes Avarohi would be more relevant in dasha > results no doubt. These are well established dictums and I do not > usually try to analyze them. A reason could be that from that position > Sun becomes, in a way, temporary enemy of Guru if we consider his > houses being 5th and 8th from Leo. > Chandrashekhar. > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > You have written about jupiter losing strength in Leo.Is Jupiters > > movement out of its exaltation place the reason behind your > > statement.Also similar to a case which you have explained sometime > > back,will aspect of sun on this jupiter strengthen it. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > > wrote: > > > Dear Vishnu, > > > The dictum rarely fails. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Vishnu Jandhyala wrote: > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Sri Chandrashekhar & Dhira, > > > > > > > > I have Jupiter in 2nd in moolatrikona. I would say I have seen > > the ugly > > > > side of it. > > > > > > > > warm regards, > > > > Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhira, > > > > > In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in Leo. Any > > > > > problems > > > > > in education? > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > It's in COVA that when Jupiter occupies 2nd house, it will > > not > > > > > count for > > > > > > karaka bhava nyasa. 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Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Dear Chandrashekarji, If Jupiter is in Leo, and Leo being Lagna does it mean it will cause harm to 1st house matters? As Jupiter gets dig bala in Lagna, it may be strong here. Regards Neel vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Pradeep, > Leo being 5th house in Natural Zodiac, Jupiter there does cause harm to > that house indicating the Putra Bhava. He gets somewhat weak in Leo even > in natal chart but modification would be there depending his house > lordship no doubt. > Chandrashekhar. > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > I remember seeing discussions regarding simhashta when jupiter was > > crossing over to Leo,the previous year.Also as you have said Pisces > > is 8th from leo while Dhanu is 5th.But is it only for muhurtas w.r > > to transit or natal positions in charts as well? > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > > wrote: > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > This has more to do with Guru being Simhastha when it is bereft of > > Bala > > > and that is the reason Marriage muhurtas for that period are not > > > considered. That he becomes Avarohi would be more relevant in > > dasha > > > results no doubt. These are well established dictums and I do not > > > usually try to analyze them. A reason could be that from that > > position > > > Sun becomes, in a way, temporary enemy of Guru if we consider his > > > houses being 5th and 8th from Leo. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > You have written about jupiter losing strength in Leo.Is Jupiters > > > > movement out of its exaltation place the reason behind your > > > > statement.Also similar to a case which you have explained > > sometime > > > > back,will aspect of sun on this jupiter strengthen it. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > > <boxdel> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Vishnu, > > > > > The dictum rarely fails. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Vishnu Jandhyala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Sri Chandrashekhar & Dhira, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Jupiter in 2nd in moolatrikona. I would say I have > > seen > > > > the ugly > > > > > > side of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards, > > > > > > Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhira, > > > > > > > In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in Leo. > > Any > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > in education? > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's in COVA that when Jupiter occupies 2nd house, it > > will > > > > not > > > > > > > count for > > > > > > > > karaka bhava nyasa. By the way, I have Jupiter in 2nd > > house. > > > > Any > > > > > > > > questions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > Dhira Krsna dasa, > > > > > > > > Jyotishi > > > > > > > > http://www.radhadesh.com > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Dear Chandrashekhar, You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter still further. Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a designated as a Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of "Karka Bhavo Nasa" .. Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed in. Why this animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic Astrology (in lighter vein). You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given by you. But take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always speaks of the benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said, that howsoever bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the subject. And this has been amply proved by our experience. I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for convincing all about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly Brahiman. This would even mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology. Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > Dear Prafulla, > Reference to Leo was in connection with what Shubhangi had asked. > Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a dictum given by sages > and > there is no reason to try to find out the reason. If one wants to > find > the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac Leo is in 5th > house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava Dasha. In > 11th > all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter who is Shubha there. > > Disha strength is one amongst many strengths considered but not as > strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna. > Chandrashekhar. > > Prafulla Gang wrote: > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be preferred in Leo for > Muhurta, > > I do not know much about muhurta related configurations),It may not > > become weak in terms of Bala necessarily (generally speaking). In > > fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad. > > > > Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have directional strength to > > initiate for results. > > > > There must be more than this reason, for jupiter to give negative > > results. > > > > regards/Prafulla Gang > > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > <boxdel> > > wrote: > > > Dear Shubhangi, > > > Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses his strength in > > Leo > > > and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages when Jupiter > > > occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is due to the > > fact of > > > Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being in own Rasi > > makes > > > him Shubha and therefore good relations with Father. But I would > > say he > > > would not follow father's profession. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik wrote: > > > > > > >Dear Sir, > > > > > > > >Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am curious to know > > the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and hence this > > email. > > > >Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case also. > > > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt he is very > > intelligent but did not do much well in academics and yes, he did > > fail once in his 10th class. > > > >With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the > positioning > > of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why jup losses > > strength in leo. > > > >But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both father and > > son shares good relation with each other. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Shubhangi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote : > > > > > > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira, > > > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it not? > > > >>Regards, > > > >>Chandrashekhar. > > > >> > > > >>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in Leo. > Any > > problems > > > >>>>in education? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>No, except for one year I didn't study and failed. That was in > > 1986-87, my > > > >>>first year of university. Interesting, I get Vimshottari Ven- > > Rahu-Jup and > > > >>>Sat for that year. > > > >>> > > > >>>Yours, > > > >>>Dhira Krsna dasa, > > > >>>Jyotishi > > > >>>http://www.radhadesh.com > > > >>>http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 Dear Neel, There are different opinions about how to interpret Jupiter and Saturn. My opinion is that stronger the Jupiter, greater the damage to the house he tenants unless in own house. Chandrashekhar. Neel wrote: Dear Chandrashekarji, If Jupiter is in Leo, and Leo being Lagna does it mean it will cause harm to 1st house matters? As Jupiter gets dig bala in Lagna, it may be strong here. Regards Neel vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Pradeep, > Leo being 5th house in Natural Zodiac, Jupiter there does cause harm to > that house indicating the Putra Bhava. He gets somewhat weak in Leo even > in natal chart but modification would be there depending his house > lordship no doubt. > Chandrashekhar. > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > I remember seeing discussions regarding simhashta when jupiter was > > crossing over to Leo,the previous year.Also as you have said Pisces > > is 8th from leo while Dhanu is 5th.But is it only for muhurtas w.r > > to transit or natal positions in charts as well? > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > > wrote: > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > This has more to do with Guru being Simhastha when it is bereft of > > Bala > > > and that is the reason Marriage muhurtas for that period are not > > > considered. That he becomes Avarohi would be more relevant in > > dasha > > > results no doubt. These are well established dictums and I do not > > > usually try to analyze them. A reason could be that from that > > position > > > Sun becomes, in a way, temporary enemy of Guru if we consider his > > > houses being 5th and 8th from Leo. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > You have written about jupiter losing strength in Leo.Is Jupiters > > > > movement out of its exaltation place the reason behind your > > > > statement.Also similar to a case which you have explained > > sometime > > > > back,will aspect of sun on this jupiter strengthen it. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > > <boxdel> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Vishnu, > > > > > The dictum rarely fails. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Vishnu Jandhyala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Sri Chandrashekhar & Dhira, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Jupiter in 2nd in moolatrikona. I would say I have > > seen > > > > the ugly > > > > > > side of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards, > > > > > > Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhira, > > > > > > > In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in Leo. > > Any > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > in education? > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's in COVA that when Jupiter occupies 2nd house, it > > will > > > > not > > > > > > > count for > > > > > > > > karaka bhava nyasa. By the way, I have Jupiter in 2nd > > house. > > > > Any > > > > > > > > questions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > Dhira Krsna dasa, > > > > > > > > Jyotishi > > > > > > > > http://www.radhadesh.com > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 Dear Razdan, had you read through previous posting on the subject, i am certain you would have come across the shloka that I had given. Go to the list and read it. I do not know why you are confusing between two different sets of principles. Karaka Bhava nasha is not limited to Jupiter, it is a general principle with the exception being applied to Saturn. I am certain you must have gone through many astrological books and must be aware that Jupiter creates problems in having progeny in more than 4 Rasis. Now would you explain why should it be stated by sages in the texts, if your contention of all astrological texts giving only beneficial results for placement of Jupiter be right. Think over it. If the meaning is not clear refer to Parashara and see what the sage has to say about Guru owning Kendra, whether he is extreme malefic or benefic. I hope you will not attribute any prejudice to Parashara. I have no animosity with anybody, much less towards Guru who is my Lagnesh, unfortunately my generation is not in the habit of attributing only virtues to those whom we respect and glossing over their problems as is fashionable now a days. Regards, Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter still further. Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a designated as a Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of "Karka Bhavo Nasa" .. Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed in. Why this animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic Astrology (in lighter vein). You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given by you. But take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always speaks of the benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said, that howsoever bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the subject. And this has been amply proved by our experience. I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for convincing all about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly Brahiman. This would even mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology. Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Prafulla, Reference to Leo was in connection with what Shubhangi had asked. Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a dictum given by sages and there is no reason to try to find out the reason. If one wants to find the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac Leo is in 5th house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava Dasha. In 11th all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter who is Shubha there. Disha strength is one amongst many strengths considered but not as strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna. Chandrashekhar. Prafulla Gang wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar ji In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be preferred in Leo for Muhurta, I do not know much about muhurta related configurations),It may not become weak in terms of Bala necessarily (generally speaking). In fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad. Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have directional strength to initiate for results. There must be more than this reason, for jupiter to give negative results. regards/Prafulla Gang vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: Dear Shubhangi, Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses his strength in Leo and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages when Jupiter occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is due to the fact of Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being in own Rasi makes him Shubha and therefore good relations with Father. But I would say he would not follow father's profession. Chandrashekhar. Shubhangi Naik wrote: Dear Sir, Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am curious to know the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and hence this email. Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case also. My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt he is very intelligent but did not do much well in academics and yes, he did fail once in his 10th class. With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the positioning of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why jup losses strength in leo. But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both father and son shares good relation with each other. Thanks, Shubhangi On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote : Dear Dhira, There you see the dictum working. Is it not? Regards, Chandrashekhar. Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in Leo. Any problems in education? No, except for one year I didn't study and failed. 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Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Dear Chandrashekhar, I have been reading your posts on this subject all along but failed to get your source of conviction. We all agree that Jup too has its unfavourable positions and traits. We know it is a stronger Maraka, we also know that it is a functional malefic in Taurus, Libra, Capri etc laganas. We also know that it gets KP dosh in quadrant lordship, although KPdosh means only holding beneficial/malefic qualities, nothing more, but we extend the argument further by making them good or bad. These are well established advices of our sages. What is being objected is your sweeping remark that Jup in any house will ruin that house. This is not borne out by any authoritative book or saloka. At least you have not given the source so far. This is also not borne out by experience. Lakshmi has in a separate post given some examples of charts that have Jup in some houses and have done well. This can be multiplied so many times. I have done a little bit of research and seen the charts of 30 eminent people.who have Jupiter in the mentioned house. One can easily relate the contribution of this planet in the house with the fame of the subject:- 1. Atal Bihari Vajpayee- in 2nd house 2. Bill Clinton- in 2nd 3. Bill Gates- 3rd 4. Britney Spears- 4th 5. Elizabeth Taylor- 11th 6. Hillary Clinton-11th 7. Indira Gandhi-11th 8. Adolf Hitler-3rd 9. Albert Einstein- 9th 10. Joseph Stalin- 3rd 11. Lady Diana- 3rd 12. Lal Bahadur Shastri- 5th 13. LKAdvani-5th 14. John Kennedy-9th 15. Lata Mangeshkar-1st 16. Lord Mountbatten-5th 17. Monica Lewinsky-5th 18. Mother Teresa-2nd 19. Napolean Bonaparte- 1st 20. Pablo Picasso-10th 21. Pope John I- 5th 22. Queen Elizabeth- 5th 23. Rabindra Nath Tagore- 5th 24. Rajiv Gandhi- 1st 25. Raman Maharishi- 5th 26. Sachin Tendulkar- 4th 27. Sanjay Rath-1st 28. Satya Sai Baba-2nd 29. Sonia Gandhi-4th 30. Sardar Patel- 7th While their fame came also due to other planetary combinations but the role of Jupiter is obviously prominent in their birth charts. I agree at our age, we should not be fashionable to only heap praise but at the same time we should not be radicals too. Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > Dear Razdan, > had you read through previous posting on the subject, i am certain > you > would have come across the shloka that I had given. Go to the list > and > read it. I do not know why you are confusing between two different > sets > of principles. Karaka Bhava nasha is not limited to Jupiter, it is a > general principle with the exception being applied to Saturn. > I am certain you must have gone through many astrological books and > must > be aware that Jupiter creates problems in having progeny in more than > 4 > Rasis. Now would you explain why should it be stated by sages in the > texts, if your contention of all astrological texts giving only > beneficial results for placement of Jupiter be right. Think over it. > If > the meaning is not clear refer to Parashara and see what the sage has > to > say about Guru owning Kendra, whether he is extreme malefic or > benefic. > I hope you will not attribute any prejudice to Parashara. > I have no animosity with anybody, much less towards Guru who is my > Lagnesh, unfortunately my generation is not in the habit of > attributing > only virtues to those whom we respect and glossing over their > problems > as is fashionable now a days. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > PNRazdan wrote: > > >Dear Chandrashekhar, > >You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter still > further. > >Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a designated as a > >Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of "Karka Bhavo > Nasa" > >. Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed in. Why > this > >animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic > Astrology > >(in lighter vein). > > > >You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given by you. But > >take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always speaks of > the > >benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said, that > howsoever > >bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the subject. And > >this has been amply proved by our experience. > >I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for convincing > all > >about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly Brahiman. This would > even > >mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology. > >Pran Razdan > > > >--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > > > > > > > >>Dear Prafulla, > >>Reference to Leo was in connection with what Shubhangi had asked. > >>Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a dictum given by > sages > >>and > >>there is no reason to try to find out the reason. If one wants to > >>find > >>the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac Leo is in 5th > > >>house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava Dasha. In > >>11th > >>all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter who is Shubha > there. > >> > >>Disha strength is one amongst many strengths considered but not as > >>strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna. > >>Chandrashekhar. > >> > >>Prafulla Gang wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar ji > >>> > >>>In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be preferred in Leo for > >>> > >>> > >>Muhurta, > >> > >> > >>>I do not know much about muhurta related configurations),It may > not > >>>become weak in terms of Bala necessarily (generally speaking). In > >>>fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad. > >>> > >>>Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have directional strength to > >>>initiate for results. > >>> > >>>There must be more than this reason, for jupiter to give negative > >>>results. > >>> > >>>regards/Prafulla Gang > >>> > >>> > >>>vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > >>> > >>> > >><boxdel> > >> > >> > >>>wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Dear Shubhangi, > >>>>Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses his strength in > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Leo > >>> > >>> > >>>>and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages when Jupiter > >>>>occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is due to the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>fact of > >>> > >>> > >>>>Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being in own Rasi > >>>> > >>>> > >>>makes > >>> > >>> > >>>>him Shubha and therefore good relations with Father. But I would > >>>> > >>>> > >>>say he > >>> > >>> > >>>>would not follow father's profession. > >>>>Chandrashekhar. > >>>> > >>>>Shubhangi Naik wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Dear Sir, > >>>>> > >>>>>Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am curious to know > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and hence this > >>>email. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case also. > >>>>>My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt he is very > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>intelligent but did not do much well in academics and yes, he did > >>>fail once in his 10th class. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>positioning > >> > >> > >>>of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why jup losses > >>>strength in leo. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both father and > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>son shares good relation with each other. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>Thanks, > >>>>>Shubhangi > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote : > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Dear Dhira, > >>>>>>There you see the dictum working. Is it not? > >>>>>>Regards, > >>>>>>Chandrashekhar. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Namaste Razdan ji, Thanks for your mail, which exactly reflects my sentiments. Like you have very correctly pointed out, all planets have their positive and negative traits and their good and bad placements. All have a purpose to serve in our lives and charts. The horoscope has to be looked at and judged on the whole, without coming to conclusions based on particular placements of a single planet. Each chart is unique in itself, like each individual, and each reading is a revelation... I am sure Chandrasekharji has his own reasons and research supporting this dictum about 2nd house placement of Jupiter, but it is certainly not supported either by Sage Parasara or by Shri BV Raman, who, I am sure had put in more research than all of us put together. Infact they were exactly contrary! Regards, Lakshmi PNRazdan <pnrazdan > wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, I have been reading your posts on this subject all along but failed toget your source of conviction.We all agree that Jup too has its unfavourable positions and traits.We know it is a stronger Maraka, we also know that it is a functionalmalefic in Taurus, Libra, Capri etc laganas. We also know that it getsKP dosh in quadrant lordship, although KPdosh means only holding beneficial/malefic qualities, nothing more, but we extend the argumentfurther by making them good or bad. These are well established advicesof our sages.What is being objected is your sweeping remark that Jup in any housewill ruin that house. This is not borne out by any authoritative bookor saloka. At least you have not given the source so far.This is also not borne out by experience. Lakshmi has in a separatepost given some examples of charts that have Jup in some houses andhave done well. This can be multiplied so many times. I have done alittle bit of research and seen the charts of 30 eminent people.whohave Jupiter in the mentioned house. One can easily relate thecontribution of this planet in the house with the fame of the subject:-1. Atal Bihari Vajpayee- in 2nd house2. Bill Clinton- in 2nd3. Bill Gates- 3rd4. Britney Spears- 4th5. Elizabeth Taylor- 11th6. Hillary Clinton-11th7. Indira Gandhi-11th8. Adolf Hitler-3rd9. Albert Einstein- 9th10. Joseph Stalin- 3rd11. Lady Diana- 3rd12. Lal Bahadur Shastri- 5th13. LKAdvani-5th 14. John Kennedy-9th15. Lata Mangeshkar-1st16. Lord Mountbatten-5th17. Monica Lewinsky-5th 18. Mother Teresa-2nd19. Napolean Bonaparte- 1st20. Pablo Picasso-10th 21. Pope John I- 5th22. Queen Elizabeth- 5th23. Rabindra Nath Tagore- 5th24. Rajiv Gandhi- 1st25. Raman Maharishi- 5th26. Sachin Tendulkar- 4th27. Sanjay Rath-1st28. Satya Sai Baba-2nd29. Sonia Gandhi-4th30. Sardar Patel- 7thWhile their fame came also due to other planetary combinations but therole of Jupiter is obviously prominent in their birth charts.I agree at our age, we should not be fashionable to only heap praisebut at the same time we should not be radicals too.Pran Razdan--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> Dear Razdan,> had you read through previous posting on the subject, i am certain> you > would have come across the shloka that I had given. Go to the list> and > read it. I do not know why you are confusing between two different> sets > of principles. Karaka Bhava nasha is not limited to Jupiter, it is a > general principle with the exception being applied to Saturn.> I am certain you must have gone through many astrological books and> must > be aware that Jupiter creates problems in having progeny in more than> 4 > Rasis. Now would you explain why should it be stated by sages in the > texts, if your contention of all astrological texts giving only > beneficial results for placement of Jupiter be right. Think over it.> If > the meaning is not clear refer to Parashara and see what the sage has> to > say about Guru owning Kendra, whether he is extreme malefic or> benefic. > I hope you will not attribute any prejudice to Parashara.> I have no animosity with anybody, much less towards Guru who is my > Lagnesh, unfortunately my generation is not in the habit of> attributing > only virtues to those whom we respect and glossing over their> problems > as is fashionable now a days.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > PNRazdan wrote:> > >Dear Chandrashekhar,> >You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter still> further.> >Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a designated as a> >Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of "Karka Bhavo> Nasa"> >. Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed in. Why> this> >animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic> Astrology> >(in lighter vein).> >> >You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given by you. But> >take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always speaks of> the> >benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said, that> howsoever> >bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the subject. And> >this has been amply proved by our experience. > >I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for convincing> all> >about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly Brahiman. This would> even> >mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology.> >Pran Razdan> >> >--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> >> > > >> >>Dear Prafulla,> >>Reference to Leo was in connection with what Shubhangi had asked. > >>Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a dictum given by> sages> >>and > >>there is no reason to try to find out the reason. If one wants to> >>find > >>the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac Leo is in 5th> > >>house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava Dasha. In> >>11th > >>all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter who is Shubha> there.> >>> >>Disha strength is one amongst many strengths considered but not as > >>strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna.> >>Chandrashekhar.> >>> >>Prafulla Gang wrote:> >>> >> > >>> >>>Dear Chandrashekhar ji> >>>> >>>In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be preferred in Leo for> >>> > >>>> >>Muhurta,> >> > >>> >>>I do not know much about muhurta related configurations),It may> not> >>>become weak in terms of Bala necessarily (generally speaking). In> >>>fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad.> >>>> >>>Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have directional strength to> >>>initiate for results.> >>>> >>>There must be more than this reason, for jupiter to give negative> >>>results.> >>>> >>>regards/Prafulla Gang> >>>> >>>> >>>vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar> >>> > >>>> >><boxdel>> >> > >>> >>>wrote:> >>> > >>>> >>>>Dear Shubhangi,> >>>>Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses his strength in> >>>> > >>>>> >>>Leo> >>> > >>>> >>>>and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages when Jupiter> >>>>occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is due to the> >>>> > >>>>> >>>fact of> >>> > >>>> >>>>Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being in own Rasi> >>>> > >>>>> >>>makes> >>> > >>>> >>>>him Shubha and therefore good relations with Father. But I would> >>>> > >>>>> >>>say he> >>> > >>>> >>>>would not follow father's profession.> >>>>Chandrashekhar.> >>>>> >>>>Shubhangi Naik wrote:> >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>>>Dear Sir,> >>>>>> >>>>>Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am curious to know> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and hence this> >>>email.> >>> > >>>> >>>>>Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case also.> >>>>>My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt he is very> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>intelligent but did not do much well in academics and yes, he did> >>>fail once in his 10th class.> >>> > >>>> >>>>>With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>positioning> >> > >>> >>>of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why jup losses> >>>strength in leo.> >>> > >>>> >>>>>But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both father and> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>son shares good relation with each other.> >>> > >>>> >>>>>Thanks,> >>>>>Shubhangi> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote :> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>Dear Dhira,> >>>>>>There you see the dictum working. Is it not?> >>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>Chandrashekhar.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:> === message truncated === New and Improved Mail - 100MB free storage! Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Dear Razdan, I have already given the relevant shloka and others have given other shlokas too. I have already advised you to go through the archives but it appears you have not done so. Have you found shloka about Jupiter's position in certain Rasis giving problems in progeny at least? You have mentioned many personalities, how much do you know about their personal lives to say that Jupiter has not harmed the house that occupies? Does A.B. Vajpayee has his own family? Check up. Also check up what lata Mangeshkar did to her sister to understand what Guru in Lagna can do. I have not made any sweeping statement. If you read the list, many have agreed to what I have said from their own experience. I have also said that one has to apply the dictum in proper perspective to get correct results. For this one has to know all the dictums, like all planets give good results in own house and all planets are capable of giving good results in 11th house. I think I have written umpteen times that no principle can be applied on standalone basis but has to be applied after taking into consideration all variables. The case mentioned by dear Lakshmi have Jupiter in own house or Saturn who protects the house is also conjunct Jupiter, if I remember right. The dictum being Sthana Bhrashta karoti JeevaH , sthana rakshati mandaH, the results that are stated to be obtained are in keeping with the dictum. Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, I have been reading your posts on this subject all along but failed to get your source of conviction. We all agree that Jup too has its unfavourable positions and traits. We know it is a stronger Maraka, we also know that it is a functional malefic in Taurus, Libra, Capri etc laganas. We also know that it gets KP dosh in quadrant lordship, although KPdosh means only holding beneficial/malefic qualities, nothing more, but we extend the argument further by making them good or bad. These are well established advices of our sages. What is being objected is your sweeping remark that Jup in any house will ruin that house. This is not borne out by any authoritative book or saloka. At least you have not given the source so far. This is also not borne out by experience. Lakshmi has in a separate post given some examples of charts that have Jup in some houses and have done well. This can be multiplied so many times. I have done a little bit of research and seen the charts of 30 eminent people.who have Jupiter in the mentioned house. One can easily relate the contribution of this planet in the house with the fame of the subject:- 1. Atal Bihari Vajpayee- in 2nd house 2. Bill Clinton- in 2nd 3. Bill Gates- 3rd 4. Britney Spears- 4th 5. Elizabeth Taylor- 11th 6. Hillary Clinton-11th 7. Indira Gandhi-11th 8. Adolf Hitler-3rd 9. Albert Einstein- 9th 10. Joseph Stalin- 3rd 11. Lady Diana- 3rd 12. Lal Bahadur Shastri- 5th 13. LKAdvani-5th 14. John Kennedy-9th 15. Lata Mangeshkar-1st 16. Lord Mountbatten-5th 17. Monica Lewinsky-5th 18. Mother Teresa-2nd 19. Napolean Bonaparte- 1st 20. Pablo Picasso-10th 21. Pope John I- 5th 22. Queen Elizabeth- 5th 23. Rabindra Nath Tagore- 5th 24. Rajiv Gandhi- 1st 25. Raman Maharishi- 5th 26. Sachin Tendulkar- 4th 27. Sanjay Rath-1st 28. Satya Sai Baba-2nd 29. Sonia Gandhi-4th 30. Sardar Patel- 7th While their fame came also due to other planetary combinations but the role of Jupiter is obviously prominent in their birth charts. I agree at our age, we should not be fashionable to only heap praise but at the same time we should not be radicals too. Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Razdan, had you read through previous posting on the subject, i am certain you would have come across the shloka that I had given. Go to the list and read it. I do not know why you are confusing between two different sets of principles. Karaka Bhava nasha is not limited to Jupiter, it is a general principle with the exception being applied to Saturn. I am certain you must have gone through many astrological books and must be aware that Jupiter creates problems in having progeny in more than 4 Rasis. Now would you explain why should it be stated by sages in the texts, if your contention of all astrological texts giving only beneficial results for placement of Jupiter be right. Think over it. If the meaning is not clear refer to Parashara and see what the sage has to say about Guru owning Kendra, whether he is extreme malefic or benefic. I hope you will not attribute any prejudice to Parashara. I have no animosity with anybody, much less towards Guru who is my Lagnesh, unfortunately my generation is not in the habit of attributing only virtues to those whom we respect and glossing over their problems as is fashionable now a days. Regards, Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter still further. Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a designated as a Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of "Karka Bhavo Nasa" .. Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed in. Why this animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic Astrology (in lighter vein). You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given by you. But take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always speaks of the benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said, that howsoever bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the subject. And this has been amply proved by our experience. I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for convincing all about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly Brahiman. This would even mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology. Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Prafulla, Reference to Leo was in connection with what Shubhangi had asked. Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a dictum given by sages and there is no reason to try to find out the reason. If one wants to find the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac Leo is in 5th house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava Dasha. In 11th all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter who is Shubha there. Disha strength is one amongst many strengths considered but not as strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna. Chandrashekhar. Prafulla Gang wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar ji In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be preferred in Leo for Muhurta, I do not know much about muhurta related configurations),It may not become weak in terms of Bala necessarily (generally speaking). In fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad. Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have directional strength to initiate for results. There must be more than this reason, for jupiter to give negative results. regards/Prafulla Gang vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: Dear Shubhangi, Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses his strength in Leo and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages when Jupiter occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is due to the fact of Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being in own Rasi makes him Shubha and therefore good relations with Father. But I would say he would not follow father's profession. Chandrashekhar. Shubhangi Naik wrote: Dear Sir, Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am curious to know the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and hence this email. Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case also. My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt he is very intelligent but did not do much well in academics and yes, he did fail once in his 10th class. With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the positioning of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why jup losses strength in leo. But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both father and son shares good relation with each other. Thanks, Shubhangi On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote : Dear Dhira, There you see the dictum working. Is it not? Regards, Chandrashekhar. Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Dear Razdan, In continuation of last mail, if you are interested about the source of the shlokas, read the numerous commentaries on Astrological texts by Pt. Gopeshkumar Oza and Pt. Kedardatt Joshi. Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, I have been reading your posts on this subject all along but failed to get your source of conviction. We all agree that Jup too has its unfavourable positions and traits. We know it is a stronger Maraka, we also know that it is a functional malefic in Taurus, Libra, Capri etc laganas. We also know that it gets KP dosh in quadrant lordship, although KPdosh means only holding beneficial/malefic qualities, nothing more, but we extend the argument further by making them good or bad. These are well established advices of our sages. What is being objected is your sweeping remark that Jup in any house will ruin that house. This is not borne out by any authoritative book or saloka. At least you have not given the source so far. This is also not borne out by experience. Lakshmi has in a separate post given some examples of charts that have Jup in some houses and have done well. This can be multiplied so many times. I have done a little bit of research and seen the charts of 30 eminent people.who have Jupiter in the mentioned house. One can easily relate the contribution of this planet in the house with the fame of the subject:- 1. Atal Bihari Vajpayee- in 2nd house 2. Bill Clinton- in 2nd 3. Bill Gates- 3rd 4. Britney Spears- 4th 5. Elizabeth Taylor- 11th 6. Hillary Clinton-11th 7. Indira Gandhi-11th 8. Adolf Hitler-3rd 9. Albert Einstein- 9th 10. Joseph Stalin- 3rd 11. Lady Diana- 3rd 12. Lal Bahadur Shastri- 5th 13. LKAdvani-5th 14. John Kennedy-9th 15. Lata Mangeshkar-1st 16. Lord Mountbatten-5th 17. Monica Lewinsky-5th 18. Mother Teresa-2nd 19. Napolean Bonaparte- 1st 20. Pablo Picasso-10th 21. Pope John I- 5th 22. Queen Elizabeth- 5th 23. Rabindra Nath Tagore- 5th 24. Rajiv Gandhi- 1st 25. Raman Maharishi- 5th 26. Sachin Tendulkar- 4th 27. Sanjay Rath-1st 28. Satya Sai Baba-2nd 29. Sonia Gandhi-4th 30. Sardar Patel- 7th While their fame came also due to other planetary combinations but the role of Jupiter is obviously prominent in their birth charts. I agree at our age, we should not be fashionable to only heap praise but at the same time we should not be radicals too. Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > Dear Razdan, > had you read through previous posting on the subject, i am certain > you > would have come across the shloka that I had given. Go to the list > and > read it. I do not know why you are confusing between two different > sets > of principles. Karaka Bhava nasha is not limited to Jupiter, it is a > general principle with the exception being applied to Saturn. > I am certain you must have gone through many astrological books and > must > be aware that Jupiter creates problems in having progeny in more than > 4 > Rasis. Now would you explain why should it be stated by sages in the > texts, if your contention of all astrological texts giving only > beneficial results for placement of Jupiter be right. Think over it. > If > the meaning is not clear refer to Parashara and see what the sage has > to > say about Guru owning Kendra, whether he is extreme malefic or > benefic. > I hope you will not attribute any prejudice to Parashara. > I have no animosity with anybody, much less towards Guru who is my > Lagnesh, unfortunately my generation is not in the habit of > attributing > only virtues to those whom we respect and glossing over their > problems > as is fashionable now a days. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > PNRazdan wrote: > > >Dear Chandrashekhar, > >You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter still > further. > >Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a designated as a > >Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of "Karka Bhavo > Nasa" > >. Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed in. Why > this > >animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic > Astrology > >(in lighter vein). > > > >You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given by you. But > >take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always speaks of > the > >benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said, that > howsoever > >bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the subject. And > >this has been amply proved by our experience. > >I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for convincing > all > >about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly Brahiman. This would > even > >mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology. > >Pran Razdan > > > >--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > >>Dear Prafulla, > >>Reference to Leo was in connection with what Shubhangi had asked. > >>Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a dictum given by > sages > >>and > >>there is no reason to try to find out the reason. If one wants to > >>find > >>the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac Leo is in 5th > > >>house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava Dasha. In > >>11th > >>all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter who is Shubha > there. > >> > >>Disha strength is one amongst many strengths considered but not as > >>strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna. > >>Chandrashekhar. > >> > >>Prafulla Gang wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar ji > >>> > >>>In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be preferred in Leo for > >>> > >>> > >>Muhurta, > >> > >> > >>>I do not know much about muhurta related configurations),It may > not > >>>become weak in terms of Bala necessarily (generally speaking). In > >>>fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad. > >>> > >>>Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have directional strength to > >>>initiate for results. > >>> > >>>There must be more than this reason, for jupiter to give negative > >>>results. > >>> > >>>regards/Prafulla Gang > >>> > >>> > >>>vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > >>> > >>> > >><boxdel> > >> > >> > >>>wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Dear Shubhangi, > >>>>Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses his strength in > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Leo > >>> > >>> > >>>>and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages when Jupiter > >>>>occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is due to the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>fact of > >>> > >>> > >>>>Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being in own Rasi > >>>> > >>>> > >>>makes > >>> > >>> > >>>>him Shubha and therefore good relations with Father. But I would > >>>> > >>>> > >>>say he > >>> > >>> > >>>>would not follow father's profession. > >>>>Chandrashekhar. > >>>> > >>>>Shubhangi Naik wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Dear Sir, > >>>>> > >>>>>Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am curious to know > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and hence this > >>>email. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case also. > >>>>>My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt he is very > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>intelligent but did not do much well in academics and yes, he did > >>>fail once in his 10th class. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>positioning > >> > >> > >>>of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why jup losses > >>>strength in leo. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both father and > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>son shares good relation with each other. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>Thanks, > >>>>>Shubhangi > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote : > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Dear Dhira, > >>>>>>There you see the dictum working. Is it not? > >>>>>>Regards, > >>>>>>Chandrashekhar. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Vishnu, Can you please elaborate on " i have seen the ugly side of it". What exactly happened? i am Scorpio Lagna with Jup & Sat in the 2nd. It becomes difficult for me to judge, which of them gave which results. regards viswanadham vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala <jvk1305> wrote: > || Hare Rama Krishna || > Dear Sri Chandrashekhar & Dhira, > > I have Jupiter in 2nd in moolatrikona. I would say I have seen the ugly > side of it. > > warm regards, > Vishnu > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > Dear Dhira, > > In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in Leo. Any > > problems > > in education? > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Dhira Krsna BCS wrote: > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > It's in COVA that when Jupiter occupies 2nd house, it will not > > count for > > > karaka bhava nyasa. By the way, I have Jupiter in 2nd house. Any > > > questions? > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dhira Krsna dasa, > > > Jyotishi > > > http://www.radhadesh.com > > > http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > > > click here > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=12981uep5/M=295196.4901138.6071305.300117 6/D=groups/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1095104540/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/ *http://companion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- ---- > > > * Links* > > > > > > * > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > * > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > <vedic astrology? subject=Un> > > > > > > * Terms of > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > ||Om akhandala mandalaa kaaram > vyaaptam yena charaa charam > tatpadam darsitam yena > tasmai sri gurave namaha || > > > > > > Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Dear Chandarshekhar, As already informed I have already read the shalok quoted by you in support of your contention. jIv> SvSwanhNta vdit muinvra †iòrSy àzSta, saEir SvSwanpal> prmÉykir †iòrSy ànòa. But please understand, this shaloka by itself does not establish the thesis you are trying to put forward. It has to be backed up by the author, his standing in the astrological field, the time when it was said and the context in which it was said. Literally translated, the Shalok means "Guru destroys the house it is placed in and dignifies the house it aspects, so say the sages. Saturn protects the house it is in while its dangerous aspect destroys it". Mark the words "vdit muinvra" i.e.so say the sages. This means that this shaloka too is somebody else's quote and not that of its author. Who is the author of this blatant theory after all? Chandarshekharji, you are making an important and revolutionary statement which if followed shall change the entire structure of Vedic Astrology. (I am sure Parasara, Varamihir, Mantracharya all must have stumbled in swargloka after hearing this shaloka). You have therefore to back it up equally strongly. Sanskrit shalokas can be written by anybody, even a primary class student studying sanskrit. It does not mean we should accept any shalok blindly simply because it is written in sanskrit. At one stage you said this is a shaloka and we need not go into its reasoning. OK but tell us the name of the author who is so respected in this field that we donot question his authority. In your other mail you have advised me to read commentaries of Pt. Gopeshkumar Oza and Pt. Kedardatt Joshi. Why should I read commentaries and not the original shalokas if I know sanskrit very well. So, as a learned Guru please favour all of us with the background information on the shaloka complete with your masterly reasoning why you are so convinced of its truth and applicability in the lives of human beings. I shall not go into the discussion of individual charts as it is common knowledge that results depend on many factors. If you are now holding Jup responsible for any bad thing that happened in the lives of these people, then the debate would be endless. Besides Lakshmi has very nicely handled this issue and replied the post point by point. Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > Dear Razdan, > I have already given the relevant shloka and others have given other > shlokas too. I have already advised you to go through the archives > but > it appears you have not done so. Have you found shloka about > Jupiter's > position in certain Rasis giving problems in progeny at least? > > You have mentioned many personalities, how much do you know about > their > personal lives to say that Jupiter has not harmed the house that > occupies? Does A.B. Vajpayee has his own family? Check up. Also check > up > what lata Mangeshkar did to her sister to understand what Guru in > Lagna > can do. > > I have not made any sweeping statement. If you read the list, many > have > agreed to what I have said from their own experience. I have also > said > that one has to apply the dictum in proper perspective to get correct > > results. For this one has to know all the dictums, like all planets > give > good results in own house and all planets are capable of giving good > results in 11th house. I think I have written umpteen times that no > principle can be applied on standalone basis but has to be applied > after > taking into consideration all variables. > The case mentioned by dear Lakshmi have Jupiter in own house or > Saturn > who protects the house is also conjunct Jupiter, if I remember right. > > The dictum being Sthana Bhrashta karoti JeevaH , sthana rakshati > mandaH, > the results that are stated to be obtained are in keeping with the > dictum. > Chandrashekhar. > > > PNRazdan wrote: > > >Dear Chandrashekhar, > >I have been reading your posts on this subject all along but failed > to > >get your source of conviction. > > We all agree that Jup too has its unfavourable positions and > traits. > >We know it is a stronger Maraka, we also know that it is a > functional > >malefic in Taurus, Libra, Capri etc laganas. We also know that it > gets > >KP dosh in quadrant lordship, although KPdosh means only holding > >beneficial/malefic qualities, nothing more, but we extend the > argument > >further by making them good or bad. These are well established > advices > >of our sages. > > > >What is being objected is your sweeping remark that Jup in any house > >will ruin that house. This is not borne out by any authoritative > book > >or saloka. At least you have not given the source so far. > >This is also not borne out by experience. Lakshmi has in a separate > >post given some examples of charts that have Jup in some houses and > >have done well. This can be multiplied so many times. I have done a > >little bit of research and seen the charts of 30 eminent people.who > >have Jupiter in the mentioned house. One can easily relate the > >contribution of this planet in the house with the fame of the > subject:- > > > > > >1. Atal Bihari Vajpayee- in 2nd house > >2. Bill Clinton- in 2nd > >3. Bill Gates- 3rd > >4. Britney Spears- 4th > >5. Elizabeth Taylor- 11th > >6. Hillary Clinton-11th > >7. Indira Gandhi-11th > >8. Adolf Hitler-3rd > >9. Albert Einstein- 9th > >10. Joseph Stalin- 3rd > >11. Lady Diana- 3rd > >12. Lal Bahadur Shastri- 5th > >13. LKAdvani-5th > >14. John Kennedy-9th > >15. Lata Mangeshkar-1st > >16. Lord Mountbatten-5th > >17. Monica Lewinsky-5th > >18. Mother Teresa-2nd > >19. Napolean Bonaparte- 1st > >20. Pablo Picasso-10th > >21. Pope John I- 5th > >22. Queen Elizabeth- 5th > >23. Rabindra Nath Tagore- 5th > >24. Rajiv Gandhi- 1st > >25. Raman Maharishi- 5th > >26. Sachin Tendulkar- 4th > >27. Sanjay Rath-1st > >28. Satya Sai Baba-2nd > >29. Sonia Gandhi-4th > >30. Sardar Patel- 7th > > > >While their fame came also due to other planetary combinations but > the > >role of Jupiter is obviously prominent in their birth charts. > >I agree at our age, we should not be fashionable to only heap praise > >but at the same time we should not be radicals too. > >Pran Razdan > > > > > >--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > > > > > > > >>Dear Razdan, > >>had you read through previous posting on the subject, i am certain > >>you > >>would have come across the shloka that I had given. Go to the list > >>and > >>read it. I do not know why you are confusing between two different > >>sets > >>of principles. Karaka Bhava nasha is not limited to Jupiter, it is > a > >>general principle with the exception being applied to Saturn. > >>I am certain you must have gone through many astrological books and > >>must > >>be aware that Jupiter creates problems in having progeny in more > than > >>4 > >>Rasis. Now would you explain why should it be stated by sages in > the > >>texts, if your contention of all astrological texts giving only > >>beneficial results for placement of Jupiter be right. Think over > it. > >>If > >>the meaning is not clear refer to Parashara and see what the sage > has > >>to > >>say about Guru owning Kendra, whether he is extreme malefic or > >>benefic. > >>I hope you will not attribute any prejudice to Parashara. > >>I have no animosity with anybody, much less towards Guru who is my > >>Lagnesh, unfortunately my generation is not in the habit of > >>attributing > >>only virtues to those whom we respect and glossing over their > >>problems > >>as is fashionable now a days. > >>Regards, > >>Chandrashekhar. > >> > >>PNRazdan wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar, > >>>You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter still > >>> > >>> > >>further. > >> > >> > >>>Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a designated as > a > >>>Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of "Karka Bhavo > >>> > >>> > >>Nasa" > >> > >> > >>>. Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed in. Why > >>> > >>> > >>this > >> > >> > >>>animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic > >>> > >>> > >>Astrology > >> > >> > >>>(in lighter vein). > >>> > >>>You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given by you. > But > >>>take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always speaks of > >>> > >>> > >>the > >> > >> > >>>benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said, that > >>> > >>> > >>howsoever > >> > >> > >>>bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the subject. > And > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Dear Razdan, I am amused at the reasoning put forward by you that if some author quotes some other authority, he is not an authority on the subject. If that be so all those you treat as authorities, including Parashara, Varahamihira (By the way I have not heard of Mantracharya) would also be reduced to the status of ignoramus. All of those who are treated as authorities have given opinions of others by either referring to their names or saying precisely what the shloka says that is "so say Munis". So rest assured none of the Acharyas and Pravartakas will tremble at what I have stated. The reason I am not giving the name of the authority is I want people to read various texts and find out for themselves. There are numerous texts and it takes time to remember the name of author of each and every shloka one quotes is the other reason. If you do not want to read commentaries, your choice of astrological texts would be reduced to almost one or two as every author of note, states at the beginning of his text that he is only telling what others have told before him in a more concise form, including Varaha Mihira. Maitreya also asks Parashara that as he has till now told principles of astrology on the basis of what others have told he should give a relatively easy method so that transit of planets could be used for prediction by those slow of grasp in the chapter on Ashtakavarga in BPHS. Could you explain the reason of shloka3 Chapter 13 of BPHS? What is the reason for Parashara to qualify Jupiter's being Lord of the 2nd when placed in 2nd or needing to be with Mars there to make one wealthy, implying that Jupiter in other cases by its mere presence in 2nd would not be capable of conferring wealth on one. I hope you do not dispute knowledge of Parashara himself or think he is quoting without authority. While at BPHS you may also like to reason out why CH.43 shloka 48 tells that for Jupiter to give Kakshya Vridhi it has to be aspected by a benefic when in Lagna or 7th house. Think why Jupiter by himself does not give Kakshya Vriddhi in longevity. Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Dear Chandarshekhar, As already informed I have already read the shalok quoted by you in support of your contention. jIv> SvSwanhNta vdit muinvra †iòrSy àzSta, saEir SvSwanpal> prmÉykir †iòrSy ànòa. But please understand, this shaloka by itself does not establish the thesis you are trying to put forward. It has to be backed up by the author, his standing in the astrological field, the time when it was said and the context in which it was said. Literally translated, the Shalok means "Guru destroys the house it is placed in and dignifies the house it aspects, so say the sages. Saturn protects the house it is in while its dangerous aspect destroys it". Mark the words "vdit muinvra" i.e.so say the sages. This means that this shaloka too is somebody else's quote and not that of its author. Who is the author of this blatant theory after all? Chandarshekharji, you are making an important and revolutionary statement which if followed shall change the entire structure of Vedic Astrology. (I am sure Parasara, Varamihir, Mantracharya all must have stumbled in swargloka after hearing this shaloka). You have therefore to back it up equally strongly. Sanskrit shalokas can be written by anybody, even a primary class student studying sanskrit. It does not mean we should accept any shalok blindly simply because it is written in sanskrit. At one stage you said this is a shaloka and we need not go into its reasoning. OK but tell us the name of the author who is so respected in this field that we donot question his authority. In your other mail you have advised me to read commentaries of Pt. Gopeshkumar Oza and Pt. Kedardatt Joshi. Why should I read commentaries and not the original shalokas if I know sanskrit very well. So, as a learned Guru please favour all of us with the background information on the shaloka complete with your masterly reasoning why you are so convinced of its truth and applicability in the lives of human beings. I shall not go into the discussion of individual charts as it is common knowledge that results depend on many factors. If you are now holding Jup responsible for any bad thing that happened in the lives of these people, then the debate would be endless. Besides Lakshmi has very nicely handled this issue and replied the post point by point. Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Razdan, I have already given the relevant shloka and others have given other shlokas too. I have already advised you to go through the archives but it appears you have not done so. Have you found shloka about Jupiter's position in certain Rasis giving problems in progeny at least? You have mentioned many personalities, how much do you know about their personal lives to say that Jupiter has not harmed the house that occupies? Does A.B. Vajpayee has his own family? Check up. Also check up what lata Mangeshkar did to her sister to understand what Guru in Lagna can do. I have not made any sweeping statement. If you read the list, many have agreed to what I have said from their own experience. I have also said that one has to apply the dictum in proper perspective to get correct results. For this one has to know all the dictums, like all planets give good results in own house and all planets are capable of giving good results in 11th house. I think I have written umpteen times that no principle can be applied on standalone basis but has to be applied after taking into consideration all variables. The case mentioned by dear Lakshmi have Jupiter in own house or Saturn who protects the house is also conjunct Jupiter, if I remember right. The dictum being Sthana Bhrashta karoti JeevaH , sthana rakshati mandaH, the results that are stated to be obtained are in keeping with the dictum. Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, I have been reading your posts on this subject all along but failed to get your source of conviction. We all agree that Jup too has its unfavourable positions and traits. We know it is a stronger Maraka, we also know that it is a functional malefic in Taurus, Libra, Capri etc laganas. We also know that it gets KP dosh in quadrant lordship, although KPdosh means only holding beneficial/malefic qualities, nothing more, but we extend the argument further by making them good or bad. These are well established advices of our sages. What is being objected is your sweeping remark that Jup in any house will ruin that house. This is not borne out by any authoritative book or saloka. At least you have not given the source so far. This is also not borne out by experience. Lakshmi has in a separate post given some examples of charts that have Jup in some houses and have done well. This can be multiplied so many times. I have done a little bit of research and seen the charts of 30 eminent people.who have Jupiter in the mentioned house. One can easily relate the contribution of this planet in the house with the fame of the subject:- 1. Atal Bihari Vajpayee- in 2nd house 2. Bill Clinton- in 2nd 3. Bill Gates- 3rd 4. Britney Spears- 4th 5. Elizabeth Taylor- 11th 6. Hillary Clinton-11th 7. Indira Gandhi-11th 8. Adolf Hitler-3rd 9. Albert Einstein- 9th 10. Joseph Stalin- 3rd 11. Lady Diana- 3rd 12. Lal Bahadur Shastri- 5th 13. LKAdvani-5th 14. John Kennedy-9th 15. Lata Mangeshkar-1st 16. Lord Mountbatten-5th 17. Monica Lewinsky-5th 18. Mother Teresa-2nd 19. Napolean Bonaparte- 1st 20. Pablo Picasso-10th 21. Pope John I- 5th 22. Queen Elizabeth- 5th 23. Rabindra Nath Tagore- 5th 24. Rajiv Gandhi- 1st 25. Raman Maharishi- 5th 26. Sachin Tendulkar- 4th 27. Sanjay Rath-1st 28. Satya Sai Baba-2nd 29. Sonia Gandhi-4th 30. Sardar Patel- 7th While their fame came also due to other planetary combinations but the role of Jupiter is obviously prominent in their birth charts. I agree at our age, we should not be fashionable to only heap praise but at the same time we should not be radicals too. Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Razdan, had you read through previous posting on the subject, i am certain you would have come across the shloka that I had given. Go to the list and read it. I do not know why you are confusing between two different sets of principles. Karaka Bhava nasha is not limited to Jupiter, it is a general principle with the exception being applied to Saturn. I am certain you must have gone through many astrological books and must be aware that Jupiter creates problems in having progeny in more than 4 Rasis. Now would you explain why should it be stated by sages in the texts, if your contention of all astrological texts giving only beneficial results for placement of Jupiter be right. Think over it. If the meaning is not clear refer to Parashara and see what the sage has to say about Guru owning Kendra, whether he is extreme malefic or benefic. I hope you will not attribute any prejudice to Parashara. I have no animosity with anybody, much less towards Guru who is my Lagnesh, unfortunately my generation is not in the habit of attributing only virtues to those whom we respect and glossing over their problems as is fashionable now a days. Regards, Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter still further. Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a designated as a Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of "Karka Bhavo Nasa" .. Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed in. Why this animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic Astrology (in lighter vein). You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given by you. But take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always speaks of the benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said, that howsoever bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the subject. And === message truncated === ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from . Register anything. http://us.click./J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/.8XolB/TM --~-> <*> vedic astrology/ <*> vedic astrology <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Dear Chandarshekhar, There is nothing amusing in my reasoning. Parashara is quoting no ordinary Muni but Lord Brahma himself which gave us the BPHS.Similarly Prithuysas is quoting his father the great Vrahmihir which gave us the Horasastra. Equating your shaloka quoting a nameless sage (not sages as I said earlier, but only one sage-I was incorrect because the noun and verb is singular) would be like showing candle to the Sun. I dont think this discussion is going to serve any purpose. You are not prepared to reveal the origin of the shalok you are so much depending upon. By now it seems it is something casually said to which I attached more than necessary importance. You seem to have attained the role of some sort of a master in this group wanting your disciples to hunt for themselves what you hint at. But I dont think this is an Ashram. This is a forum of discussion where an academic discussion takes place openly without reservations. Or possibly there may be other reasons for you not to come out openly. The moral of this story however is clear. Astrology is a science. It has a method. Under this method several books have all along treated Jup as a benefic planet and all interpretations are based on this principle with modifications depending on its functionality, place, lordship, strength etc etc. If you now put forth a crazy idea that Jupiter is a malefic or malefic like planet ( destroys the house it is placed in), it turns the science from a method into a madness. It will put doubts into the minds of all astrologists while interpreting its effects, particularly on young minds aspiring to learn jyotish. Already I see a discussion started on these lines on this group which in my opinion is energy wasted on a wrong notion. Everytime one sees Jup in a house, a doubt will arise as to whether it is good or bad. Some will associate it with good they had in that house and others with whatever bad they had. So if you are determined to reap cheap publicity by making radical, unauthenticated and unconventional "advices", you may do so as this is a free forum. But the least I can say is that this would be the greatest disservice to the field of Vedic Astrology. My humble suggestion to learned members would be to accept any advice only after their own study and research and use dependable commentators like Raman, Rao etc.for clarifications. It would be fair to treat any advice seriously only if it is backed up by its source so as to make independent verification possible unless the author says it to be his own research/ experience. Chandarshekharji, so let us decide to close this discussion as friends (not by coincidence are we both having Jup as lagnesh). So far I didnot discuss specifics with you since I was on a headlines discussion. Let me now respond to your last two queries.The reference to Jup in the Second house discussion of BPHS has to be read in totality i.e all the three shalokas 1,2 and 3 and not the 3rd only. Let me give a gist of each here First shaloka: Dhanesh in second, quadrants, trines is dhanvridhikarak (wealth giving) in 6,8,12 opposite. Second Shaloka: Benefics in 2nd house, conjunct or aspected by benefics- wealth giving. Malefics in 2nd house opposite effect. Nowhere is jupiter separated out as you claim to be.So long as it is known as a benefic, it qualifies to be a wealth giver according to this shaloka. Third Shaloka: If 2nd lord is Jupiter and is also posited in the same house. And if Mars is also placed with it, then the subject becomes wealthy. Period. This does not mean that if Mars is not there, Jupiter alone will harm the house. This is an implication which you are trying to make out probably to make your Muni's dictum hold good. Parashara never means it. He means to say that while a swagrahi jupiter in second is enough to make one rich but with Mars there it adds to ones wealth. Mark the sanskrit words "Vapi" meaning 'in addition". And then you are contradicting your own self since even without Mars, Jupiter would still be swagrahi which as per your shaloka is not bad. So why Mars becomes necessary to support? As regards your second point, I am unfortunately not getting the shaloka since I have a different edition. There is no chapter on Kakshya and I took it as Karkanshya Phal Adhyay which has no shalok wanting Jup to have support of benefics to give good results. Sorry for the long mail. Regards Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > Dear Razdan, > I am amused at the reasoning put forward by you that if some author > quotes some other authority, he is not an authority on the subject. > If > that be so all those you treat as authorities, including Parashara, > Varahamihira (By the way I have not heard of Mantracharya) would also > be > reduced to the status of ignoramus. All of those who are treated as > authorities have given opinions of others by either referring to > their > names or saying precisely what the shloka says that is "so say > Munis". > So rest assured none of the Acharyas and Pravartakas will tremble at > what I have stated. The reason I am not giving the name of the > authority > is I want people to read various texts and find out for themselves. > There are numerous texts and it takes time to remember the name of > author of each and every shloka one quotes is the other reason. > If you do not want to read commentaries, your choice of astrological > texts would be reduced to almost one or two as every author of note, > states at the beginning of his text that he is only telling what > others > have told before him in a more concise form, including Varaha Mihira. > > Maitreya also asks Parashara that as he has till now told principles > of > astrology on the basis of what others have told he should give a > relatively easy method so that transit of planets could be used for > prediction by those slow of grasp in the chapter on Ashtakavarga in > BPHS. > > Could you explain the reason of shloka3 Chapter 13 of BPHS? What is > the > reason for Parashara to qualify Jupiter's being Lord of the 2nd when > placed in 2nd or needing to be with Mars there to make one wealthy, > implying that Jupiter in other cases by its mere presence in 2nd > would > not be capable of conferring wealth on one. I hope you do not dispute > > knowledge of Parashara himself or think he is quoting without > authority. > While at BPHS you may also like to reason out why CH.43 shloka 48 > tells > that for Jupiter to give Kakshya Vridhi it has to be aspected by a > benefic when in Lagna or 7th house. Think why Jupiter by himself does > > not give Kakshya Vriddhi in longevity. > Chandrashekhar. > > PNRazdan wrote: > > >Dear Chandarshekhar, > > > >As already informed I have already read the shalok quoted by you in > >support of your contention. > > > >jIv> SvSwanhNta vdit muinvra +iòrSy àzSta, > >saEir SvSwanpal> prmÉykir +iòrSy ànòa. > > > >But please understand, this shaloka by itself does not establish the > >thesis you are trying to put forward. It has to be backed up by the > >author, his standing in the astrological field, the time when it was > >said and the context in which it was said. Literally translated, the > >Shalok means "Guru destroys the house it is placed in and dignifies > the > >house it aspects, so say the sages. Saturn protects the house it is > in > >while its dangerous aspect destroys it". Mark the words "vdit > muinvra" > >i.e.so say the sages. This means that this shaloka too is somebody > >else's quote and not that of its author. Who is the author of this > >blatant theory after all? > > > >Chandarshekharji, you are making an important and revolutionary > >statement which if followed shall change the entire structure of > Vedic > >Astrology. (I am sure Parasara, Varamihir, Mantracharya all must > have > >stumbled in swargloka after hearing this shaloka). You have > therefore > >to back it up equally strongly. Sanskrit shalokas can be written by > >anybody, even a primary class student studying sanskrit. It does not > >mean we should accept any shalok blindly simply because it is > written > >in sanskrit. > > > >At one stage you said this is a shaloka and we need not go into its > >reasoning. OK but tell us the name of the author who is so respected > in > >this field that we donot question his authority. > >In your other mail you have advised me to read commentaries of Pt. > >Gopeshkumar Oza and Pt. Kedardatt Joshi. Why should I read > commentaries > >and not the original shalokas if I know sanskrit very well. > > > >So, as a learned Guru please favour all of us with the background > >information on the shaloka complete with your masterly reasoning why > >you are so convinced of its truth and applicability in the lives of > >human beings. > >I shall not go into the discussion of individual charts as it is > common > >knowledge that results depend on many factors. If you are now > holding > >Jup responsible for any bad thing that happened in the lives of > these > >people, then the debate would be endless. Besides Lakshmi has very > >nicely handled this issue and replied the post point by point. > > > >Pran Razdan > > > >--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > > > > > > > >>Dear Razdan, > >>I have already given the relevant shloka and others have given > other > >>shlokas too. I have already advised you to go through the archives > >>but > >>it appears you have not done so. Have you found shloka about > >>Jupiter's > >>position in certain Rasis giving problems in progeny at least? > >> > >>You have mentioned many personalities, how much do you know about > >>their > >>personal lives to say that Jupiter has not harmed the house that > >>occupies? Does A.B. Vajpayee has his own family? Check up. Also > check > >>up > >>what lata Mangeshkar did to her sister to understand what Guru in > >>Lagna > >>can do. > >> > >>I have not made any sweeping statement. If you read the list, many > >>have > >>agreed to what I have said from their own experience. I have also > >>said > >>that one has to apply the dictum in proper perspective to get > correct > >> > >>results. For this one has to know all the dictums, like all planets > >>give > >>good results in own house and all planets are capable of giving > good > >>results in 11th house. I think I have written umpteen times that no > > >>principle can be applied on standalone basis but has to be applied > >>after > >>taking into consideration all variables. > >> The case mentioned by dear Lakshmi have Jupiter in own house or > >>Saturn > >>who protects the house is also conjunct Jupiter, if I remember > right. > >> > >>The dictum being Sthana Bhrashta karoti JeevaH , sthana rakshati > >>mandaH, > >>the results that are stated to be obtained are in keeping with the > >>dictum. > >>Chandrashekhar. > >> > >> > >>PNRazdan wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar, > >>>I have been reading your posts on this subject all along but > failed > >>> > >>> > >>to > >> > >> > >>>get your source of conviction. > >>>We all agree that Jup too has its unfavourable positions and > >>> > >>> > >>traits. > >> > >> > >>>We know it is a stronger Maraka, we also know that it is a > >>> > >>> > >>functional > >> > >> > >>>malefic in Taurus, Libra, Capri etc laganas. We also know that it > >>> > >>> > >>gets > >> > >> > >>>KP dosh in quadrant lordship, although KPdosh means only holding > >>>beneficial/malefic qualities, nothing more, but we extend the > >>> > >>> > >>argument > >> > >> > >>>further by making them good or bad. These are well established > >>> > === message truncated === _______________________________ Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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