Guest guest Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Jagannathan, Thank you for your mail. Native remembers him having the disorder (stammering) from childhood/birth. According to him his father and paternal uncle also had speech problem to a lesser degree, they stammered when angry. Kind regards Ramesh kapisthalam jagannathan [jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in]Saturday, November 01, 2003 4:25 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] RE: Speech disorderDear Sir,Mars is in exchange of signs with Mercury ,who is thenineth lord.Venus, the 2nd and nineth lord from Moonsign is in a malefic sign. There is therefore a nexusbetween the 2nd and the 9th houses.Mars aspects saturn who is the sign dispositor of Venus.In addition,Mars aspects Venus.etc.Venus is the karaka forsweetness in speech and his affliction is visiblyseen in the chart.To be continued.Kindly let me know when exactly the speech disordermade its appearence?.Is it right from birth ?.Awaitingyou kind reply.With regards,--- Vedic Astrologer - Prakash<prakashkandpal > wrote: > Dear Ramesh,> > If you see the Arudha Lagna of 2nd house i.e.> Capricorn the> 4th house whose lord Saturn is posited in 12th house> i.e.> Sagittarius (so loss of second house results in a> way is> indicated). Since it is with the house lord itself> i.e.> Jupiter remedy is being given to the native through> an> astrologer of knowledge. It also reflects that the> disorder will be curbed with right remedies.> > Therefore, a remedy for Lord Saturn is strongly> required> for the person to recover from the speech disorder.> > Hope the above hint is helpful for you to give> remedies the> person concerned.> > With sincere regards,> Prakash Kandpal> > Message: 14> Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:04:07 +0400> "Ramesh Gangaramani"> <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com>> RE: Speech disorder> > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > I have made an error in stating that Saturn and> Jupiter are> in graha yudha.> I apologies for that. Kindly look at the chart> analysis to> check on clues> for speech disorder.> > Kind Regards> Ramesh> > > Ramesh Gangaramani> [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com]> Friday, October 31, 2003 9:51 AM> vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] Speech disorder> > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > Dear Learned Members,> > I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a> speech> disorder. The relevant> points that I noticed are as follows:> > 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd,> aspected> (graha drsiti) by> none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd house> though> Mercury is karka> for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' will> apply in> this case!> 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord placement is> 8th> from its house and> that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however is in> parivartana with> Mercury. That is like Mars in own house, wonder> which 2nd> or 9th!. If 9th it> is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter should> protect! Mars is its> own MTK house in Navamsa.> 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with Sun> and no> aspects, lord of> 9th and 12th.> 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests checking> 2nd> from Mercury. This> is the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn, aspected> by Rahu.> Jupiter is its> own MTK house. Jupiter is known to 'bhrashta' the> house in> which it is> placed. Would it afflict its own house too? Saturn> being> ahead in longitude> wins the graha yudha. Add to that is the aspect of> Rahu!> > In conclusion I did not see major afflictions that> could> indicate speech> disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point however> would> lead us to the> identification of affliction. I shall appreciate if> receiving comments from> learned members and a scrutiny by Gurus.> > Kind regards> Ramesh> > PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB: Manama,> Bahrain.> > --- vedic astrology wrote:> > ------------------------ Sponsor> > > > Archives:> vedic astrology> > > > Group info:> >>vedic astrology/info.html> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> > vedic astrology-> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri> Krishnaarpanamastu ||> >>------> > > > There are 25 messages in this issue.> > > > Topics in this digest:> > > > 1. Speech disorder> > "Ramesh Gangaramani"> > <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com>> > 2. Re: Speech disorder> > partha sarathy> <partvinu5 >> > 3. Re: Speech disorder> > "kanu priya"> <barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> > 4. SHAME ON THE PEOPLE WHO ABUSE INDIA -> READ THIS> > GREAT ARTICLE> > Vedic Astrologer - Prakash> > <prakashkandpal >> > 5. Aspects: Benefic or Malefic?> > "Manu Batura"> <manubatura >> > 6. Re: Speech disorder> > "Manu Batura"> <manubatura >> > 7. Re: Dear Respected Vedic Astrologers.> (for> > Everyone)> > "Gauranidhi Das"> <gauranidhi >> > 8. BEEJA MANTRA> > "Aman sood"> <amansr99 (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com>> > 9. Re: Speech disorder> > "Patrice Curry"> > <patricecurry (AT) comcast (DOT) net>> > 10. Re: Re: Parivartana yoga !!> > Srinath <sn_akshay >> > 11. Re: Aspects: Benefic or Malefic?> > kapisthalam jagannathan> > <jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > 12. Sandhi Question> > "Patrice Curry"> > <patricecurry (AT) comcast (DOT) net>> > 13. Re: SHAME ON THE PEOPLE WHO ABUSE INDIA -> READ> > THIS GREAT ARTICLE> > "sanjayprabhakaran"> > <sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com>> > 14. RE: Speech disorder> > "Ramesh Gangaramani"> > <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com>> > 15. RE: Re: Speech disorder> > "Ramesh Gangaramani"> > <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com>> > 16. Re: Speech disorder> > "Patrice Curry"> > <patricecurry (AT) comcast (DOT) net>> > 17. 2-, from Mark, 10/31...re. Vedic> Knowledge &> > Jyotish....India & the World...> > "Mark Kincaid"> <m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com>> > 18. Re: Re: Speech disorder> > "Patrice Curry"> > <patricecurry (AT) comcast (DOT) net>> > 19. RE: Speech disorder> > kapisthalam jagannathan> > <jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > 20. Invitation for Grihapravesham> > lakshmi ramesh> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh >> > 21. RE: Speech disorder> > kapisthalam jagannathan> > <jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > 22. Re: Re: Speech disorder> > "kanu priya"> <barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> > 23. Re: BEEJA MANTRA> > Ramadas Rao> <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > 24. Re: Invitation for Grihapravesham> > Rajeswari Shankar> > <rajeswarishankar >> > 25. RE: Re: Speech disorder> > Ramadas Rao> <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > > >>______________________> >>______________________> > > > Message: 1> > Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:50:58 +0400> > "Ramesh Gangaramani"> > <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com>> > Speech disorder> > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > > Dear Learned Members,> > > > I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a> speech> > disorder. The relevant> > points that I noticed are as follows:> > > > 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd,> aspected> > (graha drsiti) by> > none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd> house> > though Mercury is karka> > for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' will> apply> > in this case!> > 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord placement is> 8th> > from its house and> > that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however is> in> > parivartana with> > Mercury. That is like Mars in own house, wonder> which 2nd> > or 9th!. If 9th it> > is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter> should> > protect! Mars is its> > own MTK house in Navamsa.> > 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with Sun> and no> > aspects, lord of> > 9th and 12th.> > 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests checking> 2nd> > from Mercury. This is> > the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn, aspected by> Rahu.> > Jupiter is its own> > MTK house. Jupiter is known to 'bhrashta' the> house in> > which it is placed.> > Would it afflict its own house too? Saturn being> ahead in> > longitude wins the> > graha yudha. Add to that is the aspect of Rahu!> > > > In conclusion I did not see major afflictions that> could> > indicate speech> > disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point however> would> > lead us to the> > identification of affliction. I shall appreciate> if> > receiving comments from> > learned members and a scrutiny by Gurus.> > > > Kind regards> > Ramesh> > > > PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB: Manama,> > Bahrain.> > > > > > [This message contained attachments]> > > > > > > >>______________________> >>______________________> > > > Message: 2> > Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:52:01 -0800 (PST)> > partha sarathy <partvinu5 >> > Re: Speech disorder> > > > Dear Ramesh> > > > The badakesh surya is afflicting the speech karaka> > mercury. It is a watery sign. Thus the speech> defects.> > Sincere prayer to shiva would help. Mondays,> sundays are> > crucial in this regard.> > regards> > partha> > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani> <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com>> > wrote:> > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > > Dear Learned Members,> > > > I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a> speech> > disorder. The relevant points that I noticed are> as> > follows:> > > > 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd,> aspected> > (graha drsiti) by none. Jupiter is the naisargika> karka> > for 2nd house though Mercury is karka for speech.> I> > wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' will apply in this> case!> > 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord placement is> 8th> > from its house and that would afflict the 2nd> house. Mars> > however is in parivartana with Mercury. That is> like Mars> > in own house, wonder which 2nd or 9th!. If 9th it> is> > aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter should> > protect! Mars is its own MTK house in Navamsa.> > 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with Sun> and no> > aspects, lord of 9th and 12th. > > 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests checking> 2nd> > from Mercury. 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Guest guest Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, Thank you for your kind replies. The native is reasonably sure about the birth time as per local timings. The doubt however is about the time zone. I have verified and found that both Bahrain and Kuwait are currently 1 hr behind Dubai and hence would be 3 hrs from GMT. I haven't been able to check if official timings were same 40 years back. Native's problem is that of stammering which probably I should have mentioned before! For stammering you have suggested checking affliction on 5th house and Moon, which I had not done. Now I do find that Moon is aspected by Mars and Saturn both natural malefic (though Saturn is YK for Libra). Moon is also 10th lord. Native had taken up family business which eventually he had to wind up due to financial problems. This probably would go with Moon being the 10th lord and being afflicted! 5th house again is afflicted by Ketu's placement and Graha aspects of Saturn plus Rahu. I shall appreciate your comments on the above. I shall also appreciate if you can kindly explain the link between stammering and Moon and 5th house. Many thanks and kind regards Ramesh Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:30 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorderDear Ramesh,Have you checked the accuracy of Ascendant? 2nd house would represent Vacha, so toungue related affliction of spech would come under its purview. If the problem is with vocal chords then 3rd house would come in to play. Also check strength/affliction of 2nd house lord and planets placed in 2nd to be able to understand the reason behind the speech disability. If it is a stammer check for affliction to 5th and Moon.Chandrashekhar.Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Learned Members, I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a speech disorder. The relevant points that I noticed are as follows: 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd, aspected (graha drsiti) by none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd house though Mercury is karka for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' will apply in this case! 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord placement is 8th from its house and that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however is in parivartana with Mercury. That is like Mars in own house, wonder which 2nd or 9th!. If 9th it is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter should protect! Mars is its own MTK house in Navamsa. 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with Sun and no aspects, lord of 9th and 12th. 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests checking 2nd from Mercury. This is the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn, aspected by Rahu. Jupiter is its own MTK house. Jupiter is known to 'bhrashta' the house in which it is placed. Would it afflict its own house too? Saturn being ahead in longitude wins the graha yudha. Add to that is the aspect of Rahu! In conclusion I did not see major afflictions that could indicate speech disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point however would lead us to the identification of affliction. I shall appreciate if receiving comments from learned members and a scrutiny by Gurus. Kind regards Ramesh PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB: Manama, Bahrain. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 Dear Sir, You see there is nexus between the 9th house and the 2nd house and no wonder this defect seems to stem from hereditary causes.The native was born in Mars dasa and on a Tuesday.If you calclate the Hora from Sunrise point of time and see ,birth has fallen into kuja Hora.The running dasa is of Shani and Bhukthi of Mercury.Mercurys bhukthi will last upto 25-9-2004.This case curiously enough has come for Astrological study now. Saturn aspects Mars.This too is not good. That Mars is the 12th lord from Jupiter ,suggests that the defect owes its origin to the smskara of a past life ,perhaps. Therefore if our understanding is near the truth ,there ought to be remedy through resorting to performing religious pariharas.As incidentally the 9th lord is involved worshipping Sri.Mahavishnu,--possibly there is a separate form of the lord--,the defect may get rectified at least to some extent.Jupiter aspects Mars from his Moola trikonam sign indicating the nOrthern direction from the bith place of the native,the 9th lord Mercury also indicates the North,and Scopio too indicates the North only.Therefore the temple seems to be in the North to the birth place of the native situated up hills.This is all my fig of imagination and I request you to take only those points which may be relevant to the case for study on hand.I hope that you will write to me about your further analysis of the chart. Lastly, by resorting to surgical methods, remedy may be sought, as Mars is involved in the combination.What is ypour opinion?pl. With pranams to Rev.Gurus. With regards, Jagannathan. --- Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani wrote: > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Jagannathan, > Thank you for your mail. Native remembers him having > the disorder > (stammering) from childhood/birth. According to him > his father and paternal > uncle also had speech problem to a lesser degree, > they stammered when angry. > Kind regards > Ramesh > > kapisthalam jagannathan > [jagannathankr] > Saturday, November 01, 2003 4:25 PM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] RE: Speech disorder > > > Dear Sir, > Mars is in exchange of signs with Mercury ,who is > the > nineth lord.Venus, the 2nd and nineth lord from > Moon > sign is in a malefic sign. There is therefore a > nexus > between the 2nd and the 9th houses.Mars aspects > saturn who is the sign dispositor of Venus.In > addition > ,Mars aspects Venus.etc.Venus is the karaka for > sweetness in speech and his affliction is visibly > seen in the chart. > To be continued. > > Kindly let me know when exactly the speech > disorder > made its appearence?.Is it right from birth > ?.Awaiting > you kind reply. > With regards, > --- Vedic Astrologer - Prakash > <prakashkandpal wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > > > > If you see the Arudha Lagna of 2nd house i.e. > > Capricorn the > > 4th house whose lord Saturn is posited in 12th > house > > i.e. > > Sagittarius (so loss of second house results in > a > > way is > > indicated). Since it is with the house lord > itself > > i.e. > > Jupiter remedy is being given to the native > through > > an > > astrologer of knowledge. It also reflects that > the > > disorder will be curbed with right remedies. > > > > Therefore, a remedy for Lord Saturn is strongly > > required > > for the person to recover from the speech > disorder. > > > > Hope the above hint is helpful for you to give > > remedies the > > person concerned. > > > > With sincere regards, > > Prakash Kandpal > > > > Message: 14 > > Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:04:07 +0400 > > "Ramesh Gangaramani" > > <ramesh.gangaramani > > RE: Speech disorder > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > I have made an error in stating that Saturn and > > Jupiter are > > in graha yudha. > > I apologies for that. Kindly look at the chart > > analysis to > > check on clues > > for speech disorder. > > > > Kind Regards > > Ramesh > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani > > [ramesh.gangaramani] > > Friday, October 31, 2003 9:51 AM > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Speech disorder > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a > > speech > > disorder. The relevant > > points that I noticed are as follows: > > > > 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd, > > aspected > > (graha drsiti) by > > none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd > house > > though > > Mercury is karka > > for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' > will > > apply in > > this case! > > 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord > placement is > > 8th > > from its house and > > that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however > is in > > parivartana with > > Mercury. That is like Mars in own house, wonder > > which 2nd > > or 9th!. If 9th it > > is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter > should > > protect! Mars is its > > own MTK house in Navamsa. > > 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with > Sun > > and no > > aspects, lord of > > 9th and 12th. > > 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests > checking > > 2nd > > from Mercury. This > > is the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn, > aspected > > by Rahu. > > Jupiter is its > > own MTK house. Jupiter is known to 'bhrashta' > the > > house in > > which it is > > placed. Would it afflict its own house too? > Saturn > > being > > ahead in longitude > > wins the graha yudha. Add to that is the aspect > of > > Rahu! > > > > In conclusion I did not see major afflictions > that > > could > > indicate speech > > disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point > however > > would > > lead us to the > > identification of affliction. I shall appreciate > if > > receiving comments from > > learned members and a scrutiny by Gurus. > > > > Kind regards > > Ramesh > > > > PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB: > Manama, > > Bahrain. > > > > --- vedic astrology wrote: > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > > > > > Archives: > > vedic astrology > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us > ....... > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > > > > > Topics in this digest: > > > > > > 1. Speech disorder > > > "Ramesh Gangaramani" > > > <ramesh.gangaramani > > > 2. Re: Speech disorder > > > partha sarathy > > <partvinu5 > > > 3. Re: Speech disorder > > > "kanu priya" > > <barish44 > > > 4. SHAME ON THE PEOPLE WHO ABUSE INDIA - > > READ THIS > > > GREAT ARTICLE > > > Vedic Astrologer - Prakash > > > <prakashkandpal > > > 5. Aspects: Benefic or Malefic? > > > "Manu Batura" > > <manubatura > > > 6. Re: Speech disorder > > > "Manu Batura" > > <manubatura > > > 7. Re: Dear Respected Vedic Astrologers. > > (for > > > Everyone) > > > "Gauranidhi Das" > > <gauranidhi > > > 8. BEEJA MANTRA > > > "Aman sood" > > <amansr99 > > > 9. Re: Speech disorder > > > "Patrice Curry" > > > <patricecurry > > > 10. Re: Re: Parivartana yoga !! > > > Srinath <sn_akshay > > > 11. Re: Aspects: Benefic or Malefic? > > > kapisthalam jagannathan > > > <jagannathankr > > > 12. Sandhi Question > > > "Patrice Curry" > > > <patricecurry > > > 13. Re: SHAME ON THE PEOPLE WHO ABUSE > INDIA - > > READ > > > THIS GREAT ARTICLE > > > "sanjayprabhakaran" > > > <sprabhakaran > > > 14. RE: Speech disorder > > > "Ramesh Gangaramani" > > > <ramesh.gangaramani > > > 15. RE: Re: Speech disorder > > > "Ramesh Gangaramani" > > > <ramesh.gangaramani > > > 16. Re: Speech disorder > > > "Patrice Curry" > > > <patricecurry > > > 17. 2-, from Mark, 10/31...re. Vedic > > Knowledge & > > > Jyotish....India & the World... > > > "Mark Kincaid" > > <m.kincaid > > > 18. Re: Re: Speech disorder > > > "Patrice Curry" > > > <patricecurry > > > 19. RE: Speech disorder > > > kapisthalam jagannathan > > > <jagannathankr > > > 20. Invitation for Grihapravesham > > > lakshmi ramesh > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > > 21. RE: Speech disorder > > > kapisthalam jagannathan > > > <jagannathankr > > > 22. Re: Re: Speech disorder > > > "kanu priya" > > <barish44 > > > 23. Re: BEEJA MANTRA > > > Ramadas Rao > > <ramadasrao > > > 24. Re: Invitation for Grihapravesham > > > Rajeswari Shankar > > > <rajeswarishankar > > > 25. RE: Re: Speech disorder > > > Ramadas Rao > > <ramadasrao > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________ > > > > > > > ______________________ > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:50:58 +0400 > > > "Ramesh Gangaramani" > > > <ramesh.gangaramani > > > Speech disorder > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > > > I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a > > speech > > > disorder. The relevant > > > points that I noticed are as follows: > > > > > > 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd, > > aspected > > > (graha drsiti) by > > > none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd > > house > > > though Mercury is karka > > > for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' > will > > apply > > > in this case! > > > 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord > placement is > > 8th > > > from its house and > > > that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however > is > > in > > > parivartana with > > > Mercury. That is like Mars in own house, > wonder > > which 2nd > > > or 9th!. If 9th it > > > is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter > > should > > > protect! Mars is its > > > own MTK house in Navamsa. > > > 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with > Sun > > and no > > > aspects, lord of > > > 9th and 12th. > > > 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests > checking > > 2nd > > > from Mercury. This is > > > the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn, > aspected by > > Rahu. > > > Jupiter is its own > > > MTK house. Jupiter is known to 'bhrashta' the > > house in > > > which it is placed. > > > Would it afflict its own house too? Saturn > being > > ahead in > > > longitude wins the > > > graha yudha. Add to that is the aspect of > Rahu! > > > > > > In conclusion I did not see major afflictions > that > > could > > > indicate speech > > > disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point > however > > would > > > lead us to the > > > identification of affliction. I shall > appreciate > > if > > > receiving comments from > > > learned members and a scrutiny by Gurus. > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Ramesh > > > > > > PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB: > Manama, > > > Bahrain. > > > > > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________ > > > > > > > ______________________ > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:52:01 -0800 (PST) > > > partha sarathy <partvinu5 > > > Re: Speech disorder > > > > > > Dear Ramesh > > > > > > The badakesh surya is afflicting the speech > karaka > > > mercury. It is a watery sign. Thus the speech > > defects. > > > Sincere prayer to shiva would help. Mondays, > > sundays are > > > crucial in this regard. > > > regards > > > partha > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani > > <ramesh.gangaramani > > > wrote: > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > > > I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a > > speech > > > disorder. The relevant points that I noticed > are > > as > > > follows: > > > > > > 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd, > > aspected > > > (graha drsiti) by none. Jupiter is the > naisargika > > karka > > > for 2nd house though Mercury is karka for > speech. > > I > > > wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' will apply in > this > > case! > > > 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord > placement is > > 8th > > > from its house and that would afflict the 2nd > > house. Mars > > > however is in parivartana with Mercury. That > is > > like Mars > > > in own house, wonder which 2nd or 9th!. If 9th > it > > is > > > aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter > should > > > protect! Mars is its own MTK house in Navamsa. > > > 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with > Sun > > and no > > > aspects, lord of 9th and 12th. > > > 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests > checking > > 2nd > > > from Mercury. 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Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 Dear Ramesh, You enter Manama in Astro.com/atlas page and will get the Long. Lat. of Bahrain. It will show the Time zone as 3 hr.s. Click on the Manama link and another page opens. Here the same time would be shown for current date. Now put in Dec. 1960 in the form and click continue and you will get 4 Hr.s as the Time zone. D.S.T. was obviously applicable ni 1960 the year of Rajus birth. The Lagna of Raju will change to Virgo as I had suspected. This will help you understand why I say, ad naseum perhaps, that one must master one system completely and be firm in his basics. The earlier horoscope with Libra ascendant does not give any indication for speech disorder from the principles.Mercury in 2nd house and Mars in 9th owning the 2nd house could not simply give speech disorder. Whenever you find no explaination to the facts based on the Horoscope, go back to basics, and if you feel that the facts do not bear out the horoscope give to you, be certain that the time could not be correct or that the Charrt is drawn with wrong parameters. With Virgo as the Ascendant, Mercury shifts to 3rd house and its dispositor Mars (lord of 3rd and 8th) associates Mandi. Mars also aspects Venus the lord of the 2nd house, and in turn gets aspect of Saturn and Jupiter. Mark that Saturn is Rogesh and thus the disorder is explained. Mark that in Navamsha Venus is in enemy house and does not derive strength from Navamsha. The native might get some help by wearing a Diamond. About your other queries, remember what I said about it being necessary for a Jyotishi to know about many sciences in order to arrive at a conclusion? Stammering is a result of lack of confidence. This indicates basically a psychological problem and so who else must be afflicted than the Karaka of Mind, Moon? You will find that with correct aplication of Time zone, Moon is posited in Lagna in Mercury's Rasi, whose enemy is Moon. Hope this helps, Chandrashekhar. Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, Thank you for your kind replies. The native is reasonably sure about the birth time as per local timings. The doubt however is about the time zone. I have verified and found that both Bahrain and Kuwait are currently 1 hr behind Dubai and hence would be 3 hrs from GMT. I haven't been able to check if official timings were same 40 years back. Native's problem is that of stammering which probably I should have mentioned before! For stammering you have suggested checking affliction on 5th house and Moon, which I had not done. Now I do find that Moon is aspected by Mars and Saturn both natural malefic (though Saturn is YK for Libra). Moon is also 10th lord. Native had taken up family business which eventually he had to wind up due to financial problems. This probably would go with Moon being the 10th lord and being afflicted! 5th house again is afflicted by Ketu's placement and Graha aspects of Saturn plus Rahu. I shall appreciate your comments on the above. I shall also appreciate if you can kindly explain the link between stammering and Moon and 5th house. Many thanks and kind regards Ramesh Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:30 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorder Dear Ramesh, Have you checked the accuracy of Ascendant? 2nd house would represent Vacha, so toungue related affliction of spech would come under its purview. If the problem is with vocal chords then 3rd house would come in to play. Also check strength/affliction of 2nd house lord and planets placed in 2nd to be able to understand the reason behind the speech disability. If it is a stammer check for affliction to 5th and Moon. Chandrashekhar. Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Learned Members, I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a speech disorder. The relevant points that I noticed are as follows: 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd, aspected (graha drsiti) by none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd house though Mercury is karka for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' will apply in this case! 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord placement is 8th from its house and that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however is in parivartana with Mercury. That is like Mars in own house, wonder which 2nd or 9th!. If 9th it is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter should protect! Mars is its own MTK house in Navamsa. 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with Sun and no aspects, lord of 9th and 12th. 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests checking 2nd from Mercury. This is the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn, aspected by Rahu. Jupiter is its own MTK house. Jupiter is known to 'bhrashta' the house in which it is placed. Would it afflict its own house too? Saturn being ahead in longitude wins the graha yudha. Add to that is the aspect of Rahu! In conclusion I did not see major afflictions that could indicate speech disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point however would lead us to the identification of affliction. I shall appreciate if receiving comments from learned members and a scrutiny by Gurus. Kind regards Ramesh PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB: Manama, Bahrain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, Thank you very much for correcting me. I had posted the chart since I was not very convinced about the chart giving clear indications of the disorder, something was not ok. The information you have given about time zone being 4 hrs then seems to be correct. I also thank all who participated in this discussion. I learnt a lot in the process. Kind regards Ramesh Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:54 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorderDear Ramesh,You enter Manama in Astro.com/atlas page and will get the Long. Lat. of Bahrain. It will show the Time zone as 3 hr.s. Click on the Manama link and another page opens. Here the same time would be shown for current date. Now put in Dec. 1960 in the form and click continue and you will get 4 Hr.s as the Time zone. D.S.T. was obviously applicable ni 1960 the year of Rajus birth. The Lagna of Raju will change to Virgo as I had suspected.This will help you understand why I say, ad naseum perhaps, that one must master one system completely and be firm in his basics. The earlier horoscope with Libra ascendant does not give any indication for speech disorder from the principles.Mercury in 2nd house and Mars in 9th owning the 2nd house could not simply give speech disorder. Whenever you find no explaination to the facts based on the Horoscope, go back to basics, and if you feel that the facts do not bear out the horoscope give to you, be certain that the time could not be correct or that the Charrt is drawn with wrong parameters. With Virgo as the Ascendant, Mercury shifts to 3rd house and its dispositor Mars (lord of 3rd and 8th) associates Mandi. Mars also aspects Venus the lord of the 2nd house, and in turn gets aspect of Saturn and Jupiter. Mark that Saturn is Rogesh and thus the disorder is explained. Mark that in Navamsha Venus is in enemy house and does not derive strength from Navamsha.The native might get some help by wearing a Diamond.About your other queries, remember what I said about it being necessary for a Jyotishi to know about many sciences in order to arrive at a conclusion? Stammering is a result of lack of confidence. This indicates basically a psychological problem and so who else must be afflicted than the Karaka of Mind, Moon? You will find that with correct aplication of Time zone, Moon is posited in Lagna in Mercury's Rasi, whose enemy is Moon.Hope this helps,Chandrashekhar.Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, Thank you for your kind replies. The native is reasonably sure about the birth time as per local timings. The doubt however is about the time zone. I have verified and found that both Bahrain and Kuwait are currently 1 hr behind Dubai and hence would be 3 hrs from GMT. I haven't been able to check if official timings were same 40 years back. Native's problem is that of stammering which probably I should have mentioned before! For stammering you have suggested checking affliction on 5th house and Moon, which I had not done. Now I do find that Moon is aspected by Mars and Saturn both natural malefic (though Saturn is YK for Libra). Moon is also 10th lord. Native had taken up family business which eventually he had to wind up due to financial problems. This probably would go with Moon being the 10th lord and being afflicted! 5th house again is afflicted by Ketu's placement and Graha aspects of Saturn plus Rahu. I shall appreciate your comments on the above. I shall also appreciate if you can kindly explain the link between stammering and Moon and 5th house. Many thanks and kind regards Ramesh Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:30 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorderDear Ramesh,Have you checked the accuracy of Ascendant? 2nd house would represent Vacha, so toungue related affliction of spech would come under its purview. If the problem is with vocal chords then 3rd house would come in to play. Also check strength/affliction of 2nd house lord and planets placed in 2nd to be able to understand the reason behind the speech disability. If it is a stammer check for affliction to 5th and Moon.Chandrashekhar.Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Learned Members, I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a speech disorder. The relevant points that I noticed are as follows: 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd, aspected (graha drsiti) by none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd house though Mercury is karka for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' will apply in this case! 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord placement is 8th from its house and that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however is in parivartana with Mercury. That is like Mars in own house, wonder which 2nd or 9th!. If 9th it is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter should protect! Mars is its own MTK house in Navamsa. 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with Sun and no aspects, lord of 9th and 12th. 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests checking 2nd from Mercury. This is the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn, aspected by Rahu. Jupiter is its own MTK house. Jupiter is known to 'bhrashta' the house in which it is placed. Would it afflict its own house too? Saturn being ahead in longitude wins the graha yudha. Add to that is the aspect of Rahu! In conclusion I did not see major afflictions that could indicate speech disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point however would lead us to the identification of affliction. I shall appreciate if receiving comments from learned members and a scrutiny by Gurus. Kind regards Ramesh PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB: Manama, Bahrain. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 Satyam Bruyat Priyat Bruyam Dear Jagannathan, Thank you very much for your kind reply. I may have wasted your time by giving an incorrect time zone. I am sorry about that. I have however learnt a lot from your feedback, points that I should consider in the event of specific combinations. Thank you again. Kind regards Ramesh kapisthalam jagannathan [jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in]Sunday, November 02, 2003 3:07 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Speech disorderDear Sir,You see there is nexus between the 9th house and the2nd house and no wonder this defect seems to stem fromhereditary causes.The native was born in Mars dasa andon a Tuesday.If you calclate the Hora from Sunrisepoint of time and see ,birth has fallen into kujaHora.The running dasa is of Shani and Bhukthi ofMercury.Mercurys bhukthi will last upto 25-9-2004.Thiscase curiously enough has come for Astrological studynow.Saturn aspects Mars.This too is not good.That Mars is the 12th lord from Jupiter ,suggests thatthe defect owes its origin to the smskara of a pastlife ,perhaps.Therefore if our understanding is near the truth,there ought to be remedy through resorting to performing religious pariharas.As incidentally the 9thlord is involved worshipping Sri.Mahavishnu,--possiblythere is a separate form of the lord--,the defect mayget rectified at least to some extent.Jupiter aspectsMars from his Moola trikonam sign indicating thenOrthern direction from the bith place of thenative,the 9th lord Mercury also indicates theNorth,and Scopio too indicates the Northonly.Therefore the temple seems to be in the North tothe birth place of the native situated up hills.Thisis all my fig of imagination and I request you to takeonly those points which may be relevant to the casefor study on hand.I hope that you will write to meabout your further analysis of the chart.Lastly, by resorting to surgical methods, remedy maybe sought, as Mars is involved in the combination.Whatis ypour opinion?pl.With pranams to Rev.Gurus.With regards,Jagannathan. --- Ramesh Gangaramani<ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com> wrote: > SatyamBruyat Priyam Bruyat> > Dear Jagannathan,> Thank you for your mail. Native remembers him having> the disorder> (stammering) from childhood/birth. According to him> his father and paternal> uncle also had speech problem to a lesser degree,> they stammered when angry.> Kind regards> Ramesh> > kapisthalam jagannathan> [jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in]> Saturday, November 01, 2003 4:25 PM> vedic astrology> Re: [vedic astrology] RE: Speech disorder> > > Dear Sir,> Mars is in exchange of signs with Mercury ,who is> the> nineth lord.Venus, the 2nd and nineth lord from> Moon> sign is in a malefic sign. There is therefore a> nexus> between the 2nd and the 9th houses.Mars aspects> saturn who is the sign dispositor of Venus.In> addition> ,Mars aspects Venus.etc.Venus is the karaka for> sweetness in speech and his affliction is visibly> seen in the chart.> To be continued.> > Kindly let me know when exactly the speech> disorder> made its appearence?.Is it right from birth> ?.Awaiting> you kind reply.> With regards,> > > > > > > > --- Vedic Astrologer - Prakash> <prakashkandpal > wrote: > Dear Ramesh,> >> > If you see the Arudha Lagna of 2nd house i.e.> > Capricorn the> > 4th house whose lord Saturn is posited in 12th> house> > i.e.> > Sagittarius (so loss of second house results in> a> > way is> > indicated). Since it is with the house lord> itself> > i.e.> > Jupiter remedy is being given to the native> through> > an> > astrologer of knowledge. It also reflects that> the> > disorder will be curbed with right remedies.> >> > Therefore, a remedy for Lord Saturn is strongly> > required> > for the person to recover from the speech> disorder.> >> > Hope the above hint is helpful for you to give> > remedies the> > person concerned.> >> > With sincere regards,> > Prakash Kandpal> >> > Message: 14> > Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:04:07 +0400> > "Ramesh Gangaramani"> > <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com>> > Subject: RE: Speech disorder> >> > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> >> > I have made an error in stating that Saturn and> > Jupiter are> > in graha yudha.> > I apologies for that. Kindly look at the chart> > analysis to> > check on clues> > for speech disorder.> >> > Kind Regards> > Ramesh> >> > > > Ramesh Gangaramani> > [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com]> > Friday, October 31, 2003 9:51 AM> > vedic astrology> > [vedic astrology] Speech disorder> >> >> > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> >> > Dear Learned Members,> >> > I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a> > speech> > disorder. The relevant> > points that I noticed are as follows:> >> > 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd,> > aspected> > (graha drsiti) by> > none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd> house> > though> > Mercury is karka> > for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya'> will> > apply in> > this case!> > 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord> placement is> > 8th> > from its house and> > that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however> is in> > parivartana with> > Mercury. That is like Mars in own house, wonder> > which 2nd> > or 9th!. If 9th it> > is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter> should> > protect! Mars is its> > own MTK house in Navamsa.> > 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with> Sun> > and no> > aspects, lord of> > 9th and 12th.> > 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests> checking> > 2nd> > from Mercury. This> > is the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn,> aspected> > by Rahu.> > Jupiter is its> > own MTK house. Jupiter is known to 'bhrashta'> the> > house in> > which it is> > placed. Would it afflict its own house too?> Saturn> > being> > ahead in longitude> > wins the graha yudha. Add to that is the aspect> of> > Rahu!> >> > In conclusion I did not see major afflictions> that> > could> > indicate speech> > disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point> however> > would> > lead us to the> > identification of affliction. I shall appreciate> if> > receiving comments from> > learned members and a scrutiny by Gurus.> >> > Kind regards> > Ramesh> >> > PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB:> Manama,> > Bahrain.> >> > --- vedic astrology wrote:> > > ------------------------ Sponsor> > >> > > Archives:> > vedic astrology> > >> > > Group info:> > >> >> >vedic astrology/info.html> > >> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> > > vedic astrology-> > >> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us> .......> > >> > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri> > Krishnaarpanamastu ||> > >> >> >------> > >> > > There are 25 messages in this issue.> > >> > > Topics in this digest:> > >> > > 1. Speech disorder> > > "Ramesh Gangaramani"> > > <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com>> > > 2. Re: Speech disorder> > > partha sarathy> > <partvinu5 >> > > 3. Re: Speech disorder> > > "kanu priya"> > <barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> > > 4. SHAME ON THE PEOPLE WHO ABUSE INDIA -> > READ THIS> > > GREAT ARTICLE> > > Vedic Astrologer - Prakash> > > <prakashkandpal >> > > 5. Aspects: Benefic or Malefic?> > > "Manu Batura"> > <manubatura >> > > 6. Re: Speech disorder> > > "Manu Batura"> > <manubatura >> > > 7. Re: Dear Respected Vedic Astrologers.> > (for> > > Everyone)> > > "Gauranidhi Das"> > <gauranidhi >> > > 8. BEEJA MANTRA> > > "Aman sood"> > <amansr99 (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com>> > > 9. Re: Speech disorder> > > "Patrice Curry"> > > <patricecurry (AT) comcast (DOT) net>> > > 10. Re: Re: Parivartana yoga !!> > > Srinath <sn_akshay >> > > 11. Re: Aspects: Benefic or Malefic?> > > kapisthalam jagannathan> > > <jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > 12. Sandhi Question> > > "Patrice Curry"> > > <patricecurry (AT) comcast (DOT) net>> > > 13. Re: SHAME ON THE PEOPLE WHO ABUSE> INDIA -> > READ> > > THIS GREAT ARTICLE> > > "sanjayprabhakaran"> > > <sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com>> > > 14. RE: Speech disorder> > > "Ramesh Gangaramani"> > > <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com>> > > 15. RE: Re: Speech disorder> > > "Ramesh Gangaramani"> > > <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com>> > > 16. Re: Speech disorder> > > "Patrice Curry"> > > <patricecurry (AT) comcast (DOT) net>> > > 17. 2-, from Mark, 10/31...re. Vedic> > Knowledge &> > > Jyotish....India & the World...> > > "Mark Kincaid"> > <m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com>> > > 18. Re: Re: Speech disorder> > > "Patrice Curry"> > > <patricecurry (AT) comcast (DOT) net>> > > 19. RE: Speech disorder> > > kapisthalam jagannathan> > > <jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > 20. Invitation for Grihapravesham> > > lakshmi ramesh> > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh >> > > 21. RE: Speech disorder> > > kapisthalam jagannathan> > > <jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > 22. Re: Re: Speech disorder> > > "kanu priya"> > <barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> > > 23. Re: BEEJA MANTRA> > > Ramadas Rao> > <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > 24. Re: Invitation for Grihapravesham> > > Rajeswari Shankar> > > <rajeswarishankar >> > > 25. RE: Re: Speech disorder> > > Ramadas Rao> > <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > >> > >> > >> >> >______________________> > >> >> >______________________> > >> > > Message: 1> > > Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:50:58 +0400> > > "Ramesh Gangaramani"> > > <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com>> > > Speech disorder> > >> > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > >> > > Dear Learned Members,> > >> > > I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a> > speech> > > disorder. The relevant> > > points that I noticed are as follows:> > >> > > 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd,> > aspected> > > (graha drsiti) by> > > none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd> > house> > > though Mercury is karka> > > for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya'> will> > apply> > > in this case!> > > 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord> placement is> > 8th> > > from its house and> > > that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however> is> > in> > > parivartana with> > > Mercury. That is like Mars in own house,> wonder> > which 2nd> > > or 9th!. If 9th it> > > is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter> > should> > > protect! Mars is its> > > own MTK house in Navamsa.> > > 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with> Sun> > and no> > > aspects, lord of> > > 9th and 12th.> > > 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests> checking> > 2nd> > > from Mercury. This is> > > the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn,> aspected by> > Rahu.> > > Jupiter is its own> > > MTK house. Jupiter is known to 'bhrashta' the> > house in> > > which it is placed.> > > Would it afflict its own house too? Saturn> being> > ahead in> > > longitude wins the> > > graha yudha. Add to that is the aspect of> Rahu!> > >> > > In conclusion I did not see major afflictions> that> > could> > > indicate speech> > > disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point> however> > would> > > lead us to the> > > identification of affliction. I shall> appreciate> > if> > > receiving comments from> > > learned members and a scrutiny by Gurus.> > >> > > Kind regards> > > Ramesh> > >> > > PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB:> Manama,> > > Bahrain.> > >> > >> > > [This message contained attachments]> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >______________________> > >> >> >______________________> > >> > > Message: 2> > > Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:52:01 -0800 (PST)> > > partha sarathy <partvinu5 >> > > Re: Speech disorder> > >> > > Dear Ramesh> > >> > > The badakesh surya is afflicting the speech> karaka> > > mercury. It is a watery sign. Thus the speech> > defects.> > > Sincere prayer to shiva would help. Mondays,> > sundays are> > > crucial in this regard.> > > regards> > > partha> > >> > >> > > Ramesh Gangaramani> > <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com>> > > wrote:> > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > >> > > Dear Learned Members,> > >> > > I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a> > speech> > > disorder. The relevant points that I noticed> are> > as> > > follows:> > >> > > 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd,> > aspected> > > (graha drsiti) by none. Jupiter is the> naisargika> > karka> > > for 2nd house though Mercury is karka for> speech.> > I> > > wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' will apply in> this> > case!> > > 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord> placement is> > 8th> > > from its house and that would afflict the 2nd> > house. Mars> > > however is in parivartana with Mercury. That> is> > like Mars> > > in own house, wonder which 2nd or 9th!. If 9th> it> > is> > > aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter> should> > > protect! Mars is its own MTK house in Navamsa.> > > 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with> Sun> > and no> > > aspects, lord of 9th and 12th.> > > 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests> checking> > 2nd> > > from Mercury. 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Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, To add to what you have already stated, Moon also has Graha drashti of Mars and Saturn and Rashi drishti of Saturn Jupiter and Rahu. You had suggested checking 5th house too for stammering! I presume that is because 5th house signifies the emotional nature! Kindly let me know if hat is correct. 5th house also is has graha drashti of Mars and Rashi drishti of Rahu as well as Sun. Kind regards Ramesh Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:54 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorderDear Ramesh,You enter Manama in Astro.com/atlas page and will get the Long. Lat. of Bahrain. It will show the Time zone as 3 hr.s. Click on the Manama link and another page opens. Here the same time would be shown for current date. Now put in Dec. 1960 in the form and click continue and you will get 4 Hr.s as the Time zone. D.S.T. was obviously applicable ni 1960 the year of Rajus birth. The Lagna of Raju will change to Virgo as I had suspected.This will help you understand why I say, ad naseum perhaps, that one must master one system completely and be firm in his basics. The earlier horoscope with Libra ascendant does not give any indication for speech disorder from the principles.Mercury in 2nd house and Mars in 9th owning the 2nd house could not simply give speech disorder. Whenever you find no explaination to the facts based on the Horoscope, go back to basics, and if you feel that the facts do not bear out the horoscope give to you, be certain that the time could not be correct or that the Charrt is drawn with wrong parameters. With Virgo as the Ascendant, Mercury shifts to 3rd house and its dispositor Mars (lord of 3rd and 8th) associates Mandi. Mars also aspects Venus the lord of the 2nd house, and in turn gets aspect of Saturn and Jupiter. Mark that Saturn is Rogesh and thus the disorder is explained. Mark that in Navamsha Venus is in enemy house and does not derive strength from Navamsha.The native might get some help by wearing a Diamond.About your other queries, remember what I said about it being necessary for a Jyotishi to know about many sciences in order to arrive at a conclusion? Stammering is a result of lack of confidence. This indicates basically a psychological problem and so who else must be afflicted than the Karaka of Mind, Moon? You will find that with correct aplication of Time zone, Moon is posited in Lagna in Mercury's Rasi, whose enemy is Moon.Hope this helps,Chandrashekhar.Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, Thank you for your kind replies. The native is reasonably sure about the birth time as per local timings. The doubt however is about the time zone. I have verified and found that both Bahrain and Kuwait are currently 1 hr behind Dubai and hence would be 3 hrs from GMT. I haven't been able to check if official timings were same 40 years back. Native's problem is that of stammering which probably I should have mentioned before! For stammering you have suggested checking affliction on 5th house and Moon, which I had not done. Now I do find that Moon is aspected by Mars and Saturn both natural malefic (though Saturn is YK for Libra). Moon is also 10th lord. Native had taken up family business which eventually he had to wind up due to financial problems. This probably would go with Moon being the 10th lord and being afflicted! 5th house again is afflicted by Ketu's placement and Graha aspects of Saturn plus Rahu. I shall appreciate your comments on the above. I shall also appreciate if you can kindly explain the link between stammering and Moon and 5th house. Many thanks and kind regards Ramesh Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:30 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorderDear Ramesh,Have you checked the accuracy of Ascendant? 2nd house would represent Vacha, so toungue related affliction of spech would come under its purview. If the problem is with vocal chords then 3rd house would come in to play. Also check strength/affliction of 2nd house lord and planets placed in 2nd to be able to understand the reason behind the speech disability. If it is a stammer check for affliction to 5th and Moon.Chandrashekhar.Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Learned Members, I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a speech disorder. The relevant points that I noticed are as follows: 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd, aspected (graha drsiti) by none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd house though Mercury is karka for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' will apply in this case! 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord placement is 8th from its house and that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however is in parivartana with Mercury. That is like Mars in own house, wonder which 2nd or 9th!. If 9th it is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter should protect! Mars is its own MTK house in Navamsa. 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with Sun and no aspects, lord of 9th and 12th. 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests checking 2nd from Mercury. This is the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn, aspected by Rahu. Jupiter is its own MTK house. Jupiter is known to 'bhrashta' the house in which it is placed. Would it afflict its own house too? Saturn being ahead in longitude wins the graha yudha. Add to that is the aspect of Rahu! In conclusion I did not see major afflictions that could indicate speech disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point however would lead us to the identification of affliction. I shall appreciate if receiving comments from learned members and a scrutiny by Gurus. Kind regards Ramesh PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB: Manama, Bahrain. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar ji and other learned members I have always thought of asking this question regarding speech disorder.Whenever i have read something about the second house,there were some indications about speech disorder - subject to afflictions of second house,lords,mercury etc. But with Gods grace i have no disorder though i have mercury with moon,rahu and sun in the second house.The lord of second house is saturn and is placed in the 6th,in taurus (which being a friendly sign).But since mercury considers moon as an enemy and as rahu wants to settle a score against moon there arises a chance of struggle going on in this house.But again there were no bad results.All i could say is eccentric nature (meaning being spontaneous) - like for eg if you want to howl while watching a show - you will howl without thinking twice.Another thing is your mind could go into overlapping (it could be called multi tasking as per computer treminologies).I think this is because of Rahu being with moon.If you dont close your eyes for a second and take a deep breath and tell your mind to concentrate,this rahu will make your mind to jump to other areas.I think this rahu cannot wait and is very eager(but truth is curiosity and eagerness are good but one should wait and concentrate to build the foundation).Thus it can be good as well as bad.But this can be controlled if you want.One has to be strict on Rahu.But again this is possible may be due to concentrated net result of different planets.Another thing is obsession -for eg if you like music you might be with it for a long time,and if you like astrology you might browse for hours,these are good things:-),but one should control the bad things as well.Control is possible if multiple aspects or conjunctions are there as they will significantly modify the effects.But one should think i need to control.Why i am telling all this is,the ongoing discussions were mentioning about afflictions of different karakas.And i was sharing own experience if it helps.One has to be very careful while analysing multiple conjunctions.Without myself telling, the learned members like you will be definitely aware of all these,but i am qouting all these from individual experiences which could be a further reinforcement or confirmation for your research. Also about your another point,fifth house.I have Mars in Aries in 5th house. So as you have said one should analyse carefully with the help of basics to reach conclusions on topics like speech disorder.I think there are more things than second house and mercury,Moon afflictions for speech disorders(as you have rightly mentioned),which i am unable to explain due to lack of knowledge.I am reinstating this because there is no speech disorder for me and with Gods grace,i can sing a bit as well once in a while in the living room(outside bathroom as well,thats what i meant:-). So it would be helpful if you could tell,what all could be the basic considerations one should have, inorder to predict speech disorders.Also what reasons might had saved me.This can be helpful in learning and analysing.Thanks to the destiny controllers. With respect and regards Pradeep vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > You enter Manama in Astro.com/atlas page and will get the Long. Lat. of > Bahrain. It will show the Time zone as 3 hr.s. Click on the Manama link > and another page opens. Here the same time would be shown for current > date. Now put in Dec. 1960 in the form and click continue and you will > get 4 Hr.s as the Time zone. D.S.T. was obviously applicable ni 1960 the > year of Rajus birth. The Lagna of Raju will change to Virgo as I had > suspected. > This will help you understand why I say, ad naseum perhaps, that one > must master one system completely and be firm in his basics. The > earlier horoscope with Libra ascendant does not give any indication for > speech disorder from the principles.Mercury in 2nd house and Mars in 9th > owning the 2nd house could not simply give speech disorder. Whenever you > find no explaination to the facts based on the Horoscope, go back to > basics, and if you feel that the facts do not bear out the horoscope > give to you, be certain that the time could not be correct or that the > Charrt is drawn with wrong parameters. > With Virgo as the Ascendant, Mercury shifts to 3rd house and its > dispositor Mars (lord of 3rd and 8th) associates Mandi. Mars also > aspects Venus the lord of the 2nd house, and in turn gets aspect of > Saturn and Jupiter. Mark that Saturn is Rogesh and thus the disorder is > explained. Mark that in Navamsha Venus is in enemy house and does not > derive strength from Navamsha. > The native might get some help by wearing a Diamond. > > About your other queries, remember what I said about it being necessary > for a Jyotishi to know about many sciences in order to arrive at a > conclusion? Stammering is a result of lack of confidence. This indicates > basically a psychological problem and so who else must be afflicted than > the Karaka of Mind, Moon? You will find that with correct aplication of > Time zone, Moon is posited in Lagna in Mercury's Rasi, whose enemy is Moon. > > Hope this helps, > Chandrashekhar. > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, > > > > Thank you for your kind replies. The native is reasonably sure about > > the birth time as per local timings. The doubt however is about the > > time zone. I have verified and found that both Bahrain and Kuwait are > > currently 1 hr behind Dubai and hence would be 3 hrs from GMT. I > > haven't been able to check if official timings were same 40 years back. > > > > Native's problem is that of stammering which probably I should have > > mentioned before! For stammering you have suggested checking > > affliction on 5th house and Moon, which I had not done. Now I do find > > that Moon is aspected by Mars and Saturn both natural malefic (though > > Saturn is YK for Libra). Moon is also 10th lord. Native had taken up > > family business which eventually he had to wind up due to financial > > problems. This probably would go with Moon being the 10th lord and > > being afflicted! > > > > 5th house again is afflicted by Ketu's placement and Graha aspects of > > Saturn plus Rahu. > > > > I shall appreciate your comments on the above. I shall also appreciate > > if you can kindly explain the link between stammering and Moon and 5th > > house. > > > > Many thanks and kind regards > > Ramesh > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel] > > Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:30 PM > > vedic astrology > > Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorder > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > Have you checked the accuracy of Ascendant? 2nd house would > > represent Vacha, so toungue related affliction of spech would > > come under its purview. If the problem is with vocal chords then > > 3rd house would come in to play. Also check strength/affliction of > > 2nd house lord and planets placed in 2nd to be able to understand > > the reason behind the speech disability. If it is a stammer check > > for affliction to 5th and Moon. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > > > >> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > >> > >> Dear Learned Members, > >> > >> I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a speech disorder. The > >> relevant points that I noticed are as follows: > >> > >> 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd, aspected (graha > >> drsiti) by none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd house > >> though Mercury is karka for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava > >> hrasya' will apply in this case! > >> 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord placement is 8th from its > >> house and that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however is in > >> parivartana with Mercury. That is like Mars in own house, wonder > >> which 2nd or 9th!. If 9th it is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter > >> and Jupiter should protect! Mars is its own MTK house in Navamsa. > >> 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with Sun and no aspects, > >> lord of 9th and 12th. > >> 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests checking 2nd from > >> Mercury. This is the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn, aspected > >> by Rahu. Jupiter is its own MTK house. Jupiter is known to > >> 'bhrashta' the house in which it is placed. Would it afflict its > >> own house too? Saturn being ahead in longitude wins the graha > >> yudha. Add to that is the aspect of Rahu! > >> > >> In conclusion I did not see major afflictions that could indicate > >> speech disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point however would > >> lead us to the identification of affliction. I shall appreciate > >> if receiving comments from learned members and a scrutiny by Gurus. > >> > >> Kind regards > >> Ramesh > >> > >> PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB: Manama, Bahrain. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > >> > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > >> > >> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > >> > >> > >> > >> Terms of > >> Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > <http://rd./M=267637.4116730.5333196.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17 05082686:HM/A=1754451/R=0/SIG=11tm86fb5/*http://www.netflix.com/Defaul t?mqso=60178323&partid=4116730> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Dear Ramesh, You are right, as to significance of 5th house, it also represents Buddhi. Lack of confidence is just an expression of Lack of faith in one's Buddhi and being 4th from 2nd its Argala on Vacha sthana becomes important. Hopa this helps, Chandrashekhar. Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, To add to what you have already stated, Moon also has Graha drashti of Mars and Saturn and Rashi drishti of Saturn Jupiter and Rahu. You had suggested checking 5th house too for stammering! I presume that is because 5th house signifies the emotional nature! Kindly let me know if hat is correct. 5th house also is has graha drashti of Mars and Rashi drishti of Rahu as well as Sun. Kind regards Ramesh Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:54 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorder Dear Ramesh, You enter Manama in Astro.com/atlas page and will get the Long. Lat. of Bahrain. It will show the Time zone as 3 hr.s. Click on the Manama link and another page opens. Here the same time would be shown for current date. Now put in Dec. 1960 in the form and click continue and you will get 4 Hr.s as the Time zone. D.S.T. was obviously applicable ni 1960 the year of Rajus birth. The Lagna of Raju will change to Virgo as I had suspected. This will help you understand why I say, ad naseum perhaps, that one must master one system completely and be firm in his basics. The earlier horoscope with Libra ascendant does not give any indication for speech disorder from the principles.Mercury in 2nd house and Mars in 9th owning the 2nd house could not simply give speech disorder. Whenever you find no explaination to the facts based on the Horoscope, go back to basics, and if you feel that the facts do not bear out the horoscope give to you, be certain that the time could not be correct or that the Charrt is drawn with wrong parameters. With Virgo as the Ascendant, Mercury shifts to 3rd house and its dispositor Mars (lord of 3rd and 8th) associates Mandi. Mars also aspects Venus the lord of the 2nd house, and in turn gets aspect of Saturn and Jupiter. Mark that Saturn is Rogesh and thus the disorder is explained. Mark that in Navamsha Venus is in enemy house and does not derive strength from Navamsha. The native might get some help by wearing a Diamond. About your other queries, remember what I said about it being necessary for a Jyotishi to know about many sciences in order to arrive at a conclusion? Stammering is a result of lack of confidence. This indicates basically a psychological problem and so who else must be afflicted than the Karaka of Mind, Moon? You will find that with correct aplication of Time zone, Moon is posited in Lagna in Mercury's Rasi, whose enemy is Moon. Hope this helps, Chandrashekhar. Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, Thank you for your kind replies. The native is reasonably sure about the birth time as per local timings. The doubt however is about the time zone. I have verified and found that both Bahrain and Kuwait are currently 1 hr behind Dubai and hence would be 3 hrs from GMT. I haven't been able to check if official timings were same 40 years back. Native's problem is that of stammering which probably I should have mentioned before! For stammering you have suggested checking affliction on 5th house and Moon, which I had not done. Now I do find that Moon is aspected by Mars and Saturn both natural malefic (though Saturn is YK for Libra). Moon is also 10th lord. Native had taken up family business which eventually he had to wind up due to financial problems. This probably would go with Moon being the 10th lord and being afflicted! 5th house again is afflicted by Ketu's placement and Graha aspects of Saturn plus Rahu. I shall appreciate your comments on the above. I shall also appreciate if you can kindly explain the link between stammering and Moon and 5th house. Many thanks and kind regards Ramesh Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:30 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorder Dear Ramesh, Have you checked the accuracy of Ascendant? 2nd house would represent Vacha, so toungue related affliction of spech would come under its purview. If the problem is with vocal chords then 3rd house would come in to play. Also check strength/affliction of 2nd house lord and planets placed in 2nd to be able to understand the reason behind the speech disability. If it is a stammer check for affliction to 5th and Moon. Chandrashekhar. Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Learned Members, I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a speech disorder. The relevant points that I noticed are as follows: 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd, aspected (graha drsiti) by none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd house though Mercury is karka for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' will apply in this case! 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord placement is 8th from its house and that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however is in parivartana with Mercury. That is like Mars in own house, wonder which 2nd or 9th!. If 9th it is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter should protect! Mars is its own MTK house in Navamsa. 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with Sun and no aspects, lord of 9th and 12th. 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests checking 2nd from Mercury. This is the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn, aspected by Rahu. Jupiter is its own MTK house. Jupiter is known to 'bhrashta' the house in which it is placed. Would it afflict its own house too? Saturn being ahead in longitude wins the graha yudha. Add to that is the aspect of Rahu! In conclusion I did not see major afflictions that could indicate speech disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point however would lead us to the identification of affliction. I shall appreciate if receiving comments from learned members and a scrutiny by Gurus. Kind regards Ramesh PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB: Manama, Bahrain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Dear Pradeep, Since you have Aries as 5th house ,Ascendant has to be Sagitarius. Now in your case the 5th house gets strength as its lord is in own house. Sun is your Lord of 9th in 2nd house associate 7th and 10th lord Mercury and being association of Quadrant and Trinal Lord both become capable of giving rise to Yoga. Moon is with full Paksha bala. Results of Moon's affliction by Rahu you have experienced. Both Mercury and Saturn are in friendly Lord's house. Hence no problems with speech. You have not mentioned positions of Jupiter and Venus. Their house occupation and strength are also material. You may check strength derived by the Planets from their Navamsha placement. This would make the position very clear to you. Such placement in Mercury's house might have created problems if it was 2nd house as Mercury is enemy of Moon and Moon would loose his strength. This could happen in case of Taurus and Leo Lagna. Hope this helps. Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar ji and other learned members I have always thought of asking this question regarding speech disorder.Whenever i have read something about the second house,there were some indications about speech disorder - subject to afflictions of second house,lords,mercury etc. But with Gods grace i have no disorder though i have mercury with moon,rahu and sun in the second house.The lord of second house is saturn and is placed in the 6th,in taurus (which being a friendly sign).But since mercury considers moon as an enemy and as rahu wants to settle a score against moon there arises a chance of struggle going on in this house.But again there were no bad results.All i could say is eccentric nature (meaning being spontaneous) - like for eg if you want to howl while watching a show - you will howl without thinking twice.Another thing is your mind could go into overlapping (it could be called multi tasking as per computer treminologies).I think this is because of Rahu being with moon.If you dont close your eyes for a second and take a deep breath and tell your mind to concentrate,this rahu will make your mind to jump to other areas.I think this rahu cannot wait and is very eager(but truth is curiosity and eagerness are good but one should wait and concentrate to build the foundation).Thus it can be good as well as bad.But this can be controlled if you want.One has to be strict on Rahu.But again this is possible may be due to concentrated net result of different planets.Another thing is obsession -for eg if you like music you might be with it for a long time,and if you like astrology you might browse for hours,these are good things:-),but one should control the bad things as well.Control is possible if multiple aspects or conjunctions are there as they will significantly modify the effects.But one should think i need to control.Why i am telling all this is,the ongoing discussions were mentioning about afflictions of different karakas.And i was sharing own experience if it helps.One has to be very careful while analysing multiple conjunctions.Without myself telling, the learned members like you will be definitely aware of all these,but i am qouting all these from individual experiences which could be a further reinforcement or confirmation for your research. Also about your another point,fifth house.I have Mars in Aries in 5th house. So as you have said one should analyse carefully with the help of basics to reach conclusions on topics like speech disorder.I think there are more things than second house and mercury,Moon afflictions for speech disorders(as you have rightly mentioned),which i am unable to explain due to lack of knowledge.I am reinstating this because there is no speech disorder for me and with Gods grace,i can sing a bit as well once in a while in the living room(outside bathroom as well,thats what i meant:-). So it would be helpful if you could tell,what all could be the basic considerations one should have, inorder to predict speech disorders.Also what reasons might had saved me.This can be helpful in learning and analysing.Thanks to the destiny controllers. With respect and regards Pradeep vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel> wrote: Dear Ramesh, You enter Manama in Astro.com/atlas page and will get the Long. Lat. of Bahrain. It will show the Time zone as 3 hr.s. Click on the Manama link and another page opens. Here the same time would be shown for current date. Now put in Dec. 1960 in the form and click continue and you will get 4 Hr.s as the Time zone. D.S.T. was obviously applicable ni 1960 the year of Rajus birth. The Lagna of Raju will change to Virgo as I had suspected. This will help you understand why I say, ad naseum perhaps, that one must master one system completely and be firm in his basics. The earlier horoscope with Libra ascendant does not give any indication for speech disorder from the principles.Mercury in 2nd house and Mars in 9th owning the 2nd house could not simply give speech disorder. Whenever you find no explaination to the facts based on the Horoscope, go back to basics, and if you feel that the facts do not bear out the horoscope give to you, be certain that the time could not be correct or that the Charrt is drawn with wrong parameters. With Virgo as the Ascendant, Mercury shifts to 3rd house and its dispositor Mars (lord of 3rd and 8th) associates Mandi. Mars also aspects Venus the lord of the 2nd house, and in turn gets aspect of Saturn and Jupiter. Mark that Saturn is Rogesh and thus the disorder is explained. Mark that in Navamsha Venus is in enemy house and does not derive strength from Navamsha. The native might get some help by wearing a Diamond. About your other queries, remember what I said about it being necessary for a Jyotishi to know about many sciences in order to arrive at a conclusion? Stammering is a result of lack of confidence. This indicates basically a psychological problem and so who else must be afflicted than the Karaka of Mind, Moon? You will find that with correct aplication of Time zone, Moon is posited in Lagna in Mercury's Rasi, whose enemy is Moon. Hope this helps, Chandrashekhar. Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, Thank you for your kind replies. The native is reasonably sure about the birth time as per local timings. The doubt however is about the time zone. I have verified and found that both Bahrain and Kuwait are currently 1 hr behind Dubai and hence would be 3 hrs from GMT. I haven't been able to check if official timings were same 40 years back. Native's problem is that of stammering which probably I should have mentioned before! For stammering you have suggested checking affliction on 5th house and Moon, which I had not done. Now I do find that Moon is aspected by Mars and Saturn both natural malefic (though Saturn is YK for Libra). Moon is also 10th lord. Native had taken up family business which eventually he had to wind up due to financial problems. This probably would go with Moon being the 10th lord and being afflicted! 5th house again is afflicted by Ketu's placement and Graha aspects of Saturn plus Rahu. I shall appreciate your comments on the above. I shall also appreciate if you can kindly explain the link between stammering and Moon and 5th house. Many thanks and kind regards Ramesh Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel] Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:30 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorder Dear Ramesh, Have you checked the accuracy of Ascendant? 2nd house would represent Vacha, so toungue related affliction of spech would come under its purview. If the problem is with vocal chords then 3rd house would come in to play. Also check strength/affliction of 2nd house lord and planets placed in 2nd to be able to understand the reason behind the speech disability. If it is a stammer check for affliction to 5th and Moon. Chandrashekhar. Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Learned Members, I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a speech disorder. The relevant points that I noticed are as follows: 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd, aspected (graha drsiti) by none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd house though Mercury is karka for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' will apply in this case! 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord placement is 8th from its house and that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however is in parivartana with Mercury. That is like Mars in own house, wonder which 2nd or 9th!. If 9th it is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter should protect! Mars is its own MTK house in Navamsa. 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with Sun and no aspects, lord of 9th and 12th. 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests checking 2nd from Mercury. This is the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn, aspected by Rahu. Jupiter is its own MTK house. Jupiter is known to 'bhrashta' the house in which it is placed. Would it afflict its own house too? Saturn being ahead in longitude wins the graha yudha. Add to that is the aspect of Rahu! In conclusion I did not see major afflictions that could indicate speech disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point however would lead us to the identification of affliction. I shall appreciate if receiving comments from learned members and a scrutiny by Gurus. Kind regards Ramesh PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB: Manama, Bahrain. Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Terms of Service <>. Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Dear Chandrashekharji Thanks a lot for the explanation.Why is the position of Jupiter and Venus important here?Since Jupiter is karaka for second house? Is Venus important as it is the dispositor of 2nd lord saturn? My Jupiter is in ascendant in Dhanus and Venus is in 4th house exalted in Meena.You think these might have helped me?Thank God. Also you are right with moon in navamsha -it is not in mercurys house.I have cancer navamsha and Moon is Vargottama there(Makara). But my Mars and Jupiter are together in mercurys house(12th house,mithuna).Can it influence the rasi positions related to our topic of discussion. So for our topic of discussion what i should understand from this is 2nd house,its lord,lords dispositor,natural karakas like jupiter and Moon and their strength in navamsha have to be analysed and also 5th house for mind.Kindly correct me.Other balas like shad has also to be considered,i believe. Thanks and respect Pradeep vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Pradeep, > Since you have Aries as 5th house ,Ascendant has to be Sagitarius. Now > in your case the 5th house gets strength as its lord is in own house. > Sun is your Lord of 9th in 2nd house associate 7th and 10th lord > Mercury and being association of Quadrant and Trinal Lord both become > capable of giving rise to Yoga. Moon is with full Paksha bala. Results > of Moon's affliction by Rahu you have experienced. Both Mercury and > Saturn are in friendly Lord's house. Hence no problems with speech. You > have not mentioned positions of Jupiter and Venus. Their house > occupation and strength are also material. You may check strength > derived by the Planets from their Navamsha placement. This would make > the position very clear to you. Such placement in Mercury's house might > have created problems if it was 2nd house as Mercury is enemy of Moon > and Moon would loose his strength. This could happen in case of Taurus > and Leo Lagna. > Hope this helps. > Chandrashekhar. > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > >Dear Chandrashekhar ji and other learned members > > > >I have always thought of asking this question regarding speech > >disorder.Whenever i have read something about the second house,there > >were some indications about speech disorder - subject to afflictions > >of second house,lords,mercury etc. > > > >But with Gods grace i have no disorder though i have mercury with > >moon,rahu and sun in the second house.The lord of second house is > >saturn and is placed in the 6th,in taurus (which being a friendly > >sign).But since mercury considers moon as an enemy and as rahu wants > >to settle a score against moon there arises a chance of struggle > >going on in this house.But again there were no bad results.All i > >could say is eccentric nature (meaning being spontaneous) - like for > >eg if you want to howl while watching a show - you will howl without > >thinking twice.Another thing is your mind could go into overlapping > >(it could be called multi tasking as per computer treminologies).I > >think this is because of Rahu being with moon.If you dont close your > >eyes for a second and take a deep breath and tell your mind to > >concentrate,this rahu will make your mind to jump to other areas.I > >think this rahu cannot wait and is very eager(but truth is curiosity > >and eagerness are good but one should wait and concentrate to build > >the foundation).Thus it can be good as well as bad.But this can be > >controlled if you want.One has to be strict on Rahu.But again this is > >possible may be due to concentrated net result of different > >planets.Another thing is obsession -for eg if you like music you > >might be with it for a long time,and if you like astrology you might > >browse for hours,these are good things:-),but one should control the > >bad things as well.Control is possible if multiple aspects or > >conjunctions are there as they will significantly modify the > >effects.But one should think i need to control.Why i am telling all > >this is,the ongoing discussions were mentioning about afflictions of > >different karakas.And i was sharing own experience if it helps.One > >has to be very careful while analysing multiple conjunctions.Without > >myself telling, the learned members like you will be definitely aware > >of all these,but i am qouting all these from individual experiences > >which could be a further reinforcement or confirmation for your > >research. > > > >Also about your another point,fifth house.I have Mars in Aries in 5th > >house. > > > >So as you have said one should analyse carefully with the help of > >basics to reach conclusions on topics like speech disorder.I think > >there are more things than second house and mercury,Moon afflictions > >for speech disorders(as you have rightly mentioned),which i am unable > >to explain due to lack of knowledge.I am reinstating this > >because there is no speech disorder for me and with Gods grace,i can > >sing a bit as well once in a while in the living room(outside > >bathroom as well,thats what i meant:-). > > > >So it would be helpful if you could tell,what all could be the basic > >considerations one should have, inorder to predict speech > >disorders.Also what reasons might had saved me.This can be helpful in > >learning and analysing.Thanks to the destiny controllers. > > > >With respect and regards > >Pradeep > > > >vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma > ><boxdel> wrote: > > > > > >>Dear Ramesh, > >>You enter Manama in Astro.com/atlas page and will get the Long. > >> > >> > >Lat. of > > > > > >>Bahrain. It will show the Time zone as 3 hr.s. Click on the Manama > >> > >> > >link > > > > > >>and another page opens. Here the same time would be shown for > >> > >> > >current > > > > > >>date. Now put in Dec. 1960 in the form and click continue and you > >> > >> > >will > > > > > >>get 4 Hr.s as the Time zone. D.S.T. was obviously applicable ni > >> > >> > >1960 the > > > > > >>year of Rajus birth. The Lagna of Raju will change to Virgo as I > >> > >> > >had > > > > > >>suspected. > >>This will help you understand why I say, ad naseum perhaps, that > >> > >> > >one > > > > > >>must master one system completely and be firm in his basics. The > >>earlier horoscope with Libra ascendant does not give any indication > >> > >> > >for > > > > > >>speech disorder from the principles.Mercury in 2nd house and Mars > >> > >> > >in 9th > > > > > >>owning the 2nd house could not simply give speech disorder. > >> > >> > >Whenever you > > > > > >>find no explaination to the facts based on the Horoscope, go back > >> > >> > >to > > > > > >>basics, and if you feel that the facts do not bear out the > >> > >> > >horoscope > > > > > >>give to you, be certain that the time could not be correct or that > >> > >> > >the > > > > > >>Charrt is drawn with wrong parameters. > >> With Virgo as the Ascendant, Mercury shifts to 3rd house and its > >>dispositor Mars (lord of 3rd and 8th) associates Mandi. Mars also > >>aspects Venus the lord of the 2nd house, and in turn gets aspect of > >>Saturn and Jupiter. Mark that Saturn is Rogesh and thus the > >> > >> > >disorder is > > > > > >>explained. Mark that in Navamsha Venus is in enemy house and does > >> > >> > >not > > > > > >>derive strength from Navamsha. > >>The native might get some help by wearing a Diamond. > >> > >>About your other queries, remember what I said about it being > >> > >> > >necessary > > > > > >>for a Jyotishi to know about many sciences in order to arrive at a > >>conclusion? Stammering is a result of lack of confidence. This > >> > >> > >indicates > > > > > >>basically a psychological problem and so who else must be afflicted > >> > >> > >than > > > > > >>the Karaka of Mind, Moon? You will find that with correct > >> > >> > >aplication of > > > > > >>Time zone, Moon is posited in Lagna in Mercury's Rasi, whose enemy > >> > >> > >is Moon. > > > > > >>Hope this helps, > >>Chandrashekhar. > >> > >>Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > >>> > >>>Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, > >>> > >>>Thank you for your kind replies. The native is reasonably sure > >>> > >>> > >about > > > > > >>>the birth time as per local timings. The doubt however is about > >>> > >>> > >the > > > > > >>>time zone. I have verified and found that both Bahrain and Kuwait > >>> > >>> > >are > > > > > >>>currently 1 hr behind Dubai and hence would be 3 hrs from GMT. I > >>>haven't been able to check if official timings were same 40 years > >>> > >>> > >back. > > > > > >>> > >>>Native's problem is that of stammering which probably I should > >>> > >>> > >have > > > > > >>>mentioned before! For stammering you have suggested checking > >>>affliction on 5th house and Moon, which I had not done. Now I do > >>> > >>> > >find > > > > > >>>that Moon is aspected by Mars and Saturn both natural malefic > >>> > >>> > >(though > > > > > >>>Saturn is YK for Libra). Moon is also 10th lord. Native had taken > >>> > >>> > >up > > > > > >>>family business which eventually he had to wind up due to > >>> > >>> > >financial > > > > > >>>problems. This probably would go with Moon being the 10th lord > >>> > >>> > >and > > > > > >>>being afflicted! > >>> > >>>5th house again is afflicted by Ketu's placement and Graha > >>> > >>> > >aspects of > > > > > >>>Saturn plus Rahu. > >>> > >>>I shall appreciate your comments on the above. I shall also > >>> > >>> > >appreciate > > > > > >>>if you can kindly explain the link between stammering and Moon > >>> > >>> > >and 5th > > > > > >>>house. > >>> > >>>Many thanks and kind regards > >>>Ramesh > >>> > >>> > >>> Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel] > >>> Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:30 PM > >>> vedic astrology > >>> Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorder > >>> > >>> Dear Ramesh, > >>> Have you checked the accuracy of Ascendant? 2nd house would > >>> represent Vacha, so toungue related affliction of spech would > >>> come under its purview. If the problem is with vocal chords > >>> > >>> > >then > > > > > >>> 3rd house would come in to play. Also check > >>> > >>> > >strength/affliction of > > > > > >>> 2nd house lord and planets placed in 2nd to be able to > >>> > >>> > >understand > > > > > >>> the reason behind the speech disability. If it is a stammer > >>> > >>> > >check > > > > > >>> for affliction to 5th and Moon. > >>> Chandrashekhar. > >>> > >>> Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > >>>> > >>>> Dear Learned Members, > >>>> > >>>> I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a speech > >>>> > >>>> > >disorder. The > > > > > >>>> relevant points that I noticed are as follows: > >>>> > >>>> 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd, aspected (graha > >>>> drsiti) by none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd > >>>> > >>>> > >house > > > > > >>>> though Mercury is karka for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava > >>>> hrasya' will apply in this case! > >>>> 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord placement is 8th from > >>>> > >>>> > >its > > > > > >>>> house and that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however is > >>>> > >>>> > >in > > > > > >>>> parivartana with Mercury. That is like Mars in own house, > >>>> > >>>> > >wonder > > > > > >>>> which 2nd or 9th!. If 9th it is aspected by Saturn and > >>>> > >>>> > >Jupiter > > > > > >>>> and Jupiter should protect! Mars is its own MTK house in > >>>> > >>>> > >Navamsa. > > > > > >>>> 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with Sun and no > >>>> > >>>> > >aspects, > > > > > >>>> lord of 9th and 12th. > >>>> 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests checking 2nd from > >>>> Mercury. This is the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn, > >>>> > >>>> > >aspected > > > > > >>>> by Rahu. Jupiter is its own MTK house. Jupiter is known to > >>>> 'bhrashta' the house in which it is placed. Would it afflict > >>>> > >>>> > >its > > > > > >>>> own house too? Saturn being ahead in longitude wins the graha > >>>> yudha. Add to that is the aspect of Rahu! > >>>> > >>>> In conclusion I did not see major afflictions that could > >>>> > >>>> > >indicate > > > > > >>>> speech disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point however > >>>> > >>>> > >would > > > > > >>>> lead us to the identification of affliction. I shall > >>>> > >>>> > >appreciate > > > > > >>>> if receiving comments from learned members and a scrutiny by > >>>> > >>>> > >Gurus. > > > > > >>>> > >>>> Kind regards > >>>> Ramesh > >>>> > >>>> PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB: Manama, Bahrain. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Group info: vedic- > >>>> > >>>> > >astrology/info.html > > > > > >>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, A friend of mine has pointed to A6 being posted in 2nd house. Importance of checking 5th house and 5th lord plus the role of Saturn, Rogesh, is again highlighted. " hello ramesh, May I add another point-A6 is placed in the 2nd house signifying the disease in the mouth/face. Also I am quoting from medical astrology- pg 131 "when there is stammering in speech it is the result naturally of affliction of factors standing for speech such as the second house, mercury, Jupiter, by an influence that is retarding and obstructing in nature as of Rahu and Saturn etc.Saturn the 5th lord under affliction from Rahu,the 5th house(also a house of speech) and that Jupiter is also taken as one of the signifactors of speech.is under affliction from Rahu, However there was no mention of Ketu's role in this except that it is placed in the 6th house meaning it will give the effects of the lord of the 6th house i.e Saturn." Kind regards Ramesh Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:49 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorderDear Ramesh,You are right, as to significance of 5th house, it also represents Buddhi. Lack of confidence is just an expression of Lack of faith in one's Buddhi and being 4th from 2nd its Argala on Vacha sthana becomes important.Hopa this helps,Chandrashekhar.Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, To add to what you have already stated, Moon also has Graha drashti of Mars and Saturn and Rashi drishti of Saturn Jupiter and Rahu. You had suggested checking 5th house too for stammering! I presume that is because 5th house signifies the emotional nature! Kindly let me know if hat is correct. 5th house also is has graha drashti of Mars and Rashi drishti of Rahu as well as Sun. Kind regards Ramesh Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:54 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorderDear Ramesh,You enter Manama in Astro.com/atlas page and will get the Long. Lat. of Bahrain. It will show the Time zone as 3 hr.s. Click on the Manama link and another page opens. Here the same time would be shown for current date. Now put in Dec. 1960 in the form and click continue and you will get 4 Hr.s as the Time zone. D.S.T. was obviously applicable ni 1960 the year of Rajus birth. The Lagna of Raju will change to Virgo as I had suspected.This will help you understand why I say, ad naseum perhaps, that one must master one system completely and be firm in his basics. The earlier horoscope with Libra ascendant does not give any indication for speech disorder from the principles.Mercury in 2nd house and Mars in 9th owning the 2nd house could not simply give speech disorder. Whenever you find no explaination to the facts based on the Horoscope, go back to basics, and if you feel that the facts do not bear out the horoscope give to you, be certain that the time could not be correct or that the Charrt is drawn with wrong parameters. With Virgo as the Ascendant, Mercury shifts to 3rd house and its dispositor Mars (lord of 3rd and 8th) associates Mandi. Mars also aspects Venus the lord of the 2nd house, and in turn gets aspect of Saturn and Jupiter. Mark that Saturn is Rogesh and thus the disorder is explained. Mark that in Navamsha Venus is in enemy house and does not derive strength from Navamsha.The native might get some help by wearing a Diamond.About your other queries, remember what I said about it being necessary for a Jyotishi to know about many sciences in order to arrive at a conclusion? Stammering is a result of lack of confidence. This indicates basically a psychological problem and so who else must be afflicted than the Karaka of Mind, Moon? You will find that with correct aplication of Time zone, Moon is posited in Lagna in Mercury's Rasi, whose enemy is Moon.Hope this helps,Chandrashekhar.Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, Thank you for your kind replies. The native is reasonably sure about the birth time as per local timings. The doubt however is about the time zone. I have verified and found that both Bahrain and Kuwait are currently 1 hr behind Dubai and hence would be 3 hrs from GMT. I haven't been able to check if official timings were same 40 years back. Native's problem is that of stammering which probably I should have mentioned before! For stammering you have suggested checking affliction on 5th house and Moon, which I had not done. Now I do find that Moon is aspected by Mars and Saturn both natural malefic (though Saturn is YK for Libra). Moon is also 10th lord. Native had taken up family business which eventually he had to wind up due to financial problems. This probably would go with Moon being the 10th lord and being afflicted! 5th house again is afflicted by Ketu's placement and Graha aspects of Saturn plus Rahu. I shall appreciate your comments on the above. I shall also appreciate if you can kindly explain the link between stammering and Moon and 5th house. Many thanks and kind regards Ramesh Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:30 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorderDear Ramesh,Have you checked the accuracy of Ascendant? 2nd house would represent Vacha, so toungue related affliction of spech would come under its purview. If the problem is with vocal chords then 3rd house would come in to play. Also check strength/affliction of 2nd house lord and planets placed in 2nd to be able to understand the reason behind the speech disability. If it is a stammer check for affliction to 5th and Moon.Chandrashekhar.Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Learned Members, I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a speech disorder. The relevant points that I noticed are as follows: 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd, aspected (graha drsiti) by none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd house though Mercury is karka for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' will apply in this case! 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord placement is 8th from its house and that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however is in parivartana with Mercury. That is like Mars in own house, wonder which 2nd or 9th!. If 9th it is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter should protect! Mars is its own MTK house in Navamsa. 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with Sun and no aspects, lord of 9th and 12th. 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests checking 2nd from Mercury. This is the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn, aspected by Rahu. Jupiter is its own MTK house. Jupiter is known to 'bhrashta' the house in which it is placed. Would it afflict its own house too? Saturn being ahead in longitude wins the graha yudha. Add to that is the aspect of Rahu! In conclusion I did not see major afflictions that could indicate speech disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point however would lead us to the identification of affliction. 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Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Dear Shri Pradeep Ji, I would first congratualate you on your mail which is one of the best written mails on the list. You seem to have gathered your thoughts very well one after the other. According to you, you have Sagittarius Ascendant while Capricon beholds three planets viz. Moon, Rahu & Mercury while Saturn is happily sitting in 6th house i.e. Taurus signifying strong 6th house. But before I make any statement one needs to know the position of Venus who is the lord of 6th house. Mars is surely in a very strong position although one needs to know the degrees and position in Navamansha. Also one should check the position of other natural benefics and benific planets for Sagittarius ascendant before commenting on anything. I have seen in my father-in-law's chart that strong Mars in fifth house with other benefic aspects sent him to Haridwar for his vedic education that too during the time when many people were not able to go to school about 50 years back which I was able to foresee with God's grace. I can say that your education was strong and in fact children will also do good in life. It can also be said that you are a devotee of Lord Hanuman. Rahu, Moon & Mercury combination will certainly give you a tendency to give a spontaneous response since Moon & Mercury are the quickest planets but the sign lord and Rahu may caution you at times to think before you speak. Also since Moon is with Rahu (although One needs to see the position of Jupiter as well), still there would have been some problems with the mother (if I am not going overboard). One also needs to see the position of Venus who is the natural karaka of performing arts viz. singing to comment on that part. The Moon & Rahu combination also states that there are many mental tentions you carry with you. Hope the above gives a bit of clarity on your subject mail. With sincere regards, Prakash Kandpal Dear Chandrashekhar ji and other learned members I have always thought of asking this question regarding speech disorder.Whenever i have read something about the second house,there were some indications about speech disorder - subject to afflictions of second house,lords,mercury etc. But with Gods grace i have no disorder though i have mercury with moon,rahu and sun in the second house.The lord of second house is saturn and is placed in the 6th,in taurus (which being a friendly sign).But since mercury considers moon as an enemy and as rahu wants to settle a score against moon there arises a chance of struggle going on in this house.But again there were no bad results.All i could say is eccentric nature (meaning being spontaneous) - like for eg if you want to howl while watching a show - you will howl without thinking twice.Another thing is your mind could go into overlapping (it could be called multi tasking as per computer treminologies).I think this is because of Rahu being with moon.If you dont close your eyes for a second and take a deep breath and tell your mind to concentrate,this rahu will make your mind to jump to other areas.I think this rahu cannot wait and is very eager(but truth is curiosity and eagerness are good but one should wait and concentrate to build the foundation).Thus it can be good as well as bad.But this can be controlled if you want.One has to be strict on Rahu.But again this is possible may be due to concentrated net result of different planets.Another thing is obsession -for eg if you like music you might be with it for a long time,and if you like astrology you might browse for hours,these are good things:-),but one should control the bad things as well.Control is possible if multiple aspects or conjunctions are there as they will significantly modify the effects.But one should think i need to control.Why i am telling all this is,the ongoing discussions were mentioning about afflictions of different karakas.And i was sharing own experience if it helps.One has to be very careful while analysing multiple conjunctions.Without myself telling, the learned members like you will be definitely aware of all these,but i am qouting all these from individual experiences which could be a further reinforcement or confirmation for your research. Also about your another point,fifth house.I have Mars in Aries in 5th house. So as you have said one should analyse carefully with the help of basics to reach conclusions on topics like speech disorder.I think there are more things than second house and mercury,Moon afflictions for speech disorders(as you have rightly mentioned),which i am unable to explain due to lack of knowledge.I am reinstating this because there is no speech disorder for me and with Gods grace,i can sing a bit as well once in a while in the living room(outside bathroom as well,thats what i meant:-). So it would be helpful if you could tell,what all could be the basic considerations one should have, inorder to predict speech disorders.Also what reasons might had saved me.This can be helpful in learning and analysing.Thanks to the destiny controllers. With respect and regards Pradeep vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > You enter Manama in Astro.com/atlas page and will get the Long. Lat. of > Bahrain. It will show the Time zone as 3 hr.s. Click on the Manama link > and another page opens. Here the same time would be shown for current > date. Now put in Dec. 1960 in the form and click continue and you will > get 4 Hr.s as the Time zone. D.S.T. was obviously applicable ni 1960 the > year of Rajus birth. The Lagna of Raju will change to Virgo as I had > suspected. > This will help you understand why I say, ad naseum perhaps, that one > must master one system completely and be firm in his basics. The > earlier horoscope with Libra ascendant does not give any indication for > speech disorder from the principles.Mercury in 2nd house and Mars in 9th > owning the 2nd house could not simply give speech disorder. Whenever you > find no explaination to the facts based on the Horoscope, go back to > basics, and if you feel that the facts do not bear out the horoscope > give to you, be certain that the time could not be correct or that the > Charrt is drawn with wrong parameters. > With Virgo as the Ascendant, Mercury shifts to 3rd house and its > dispositor Mars (lord of 3rd and 8th) associates Mandi. Mars also > aspects Venus the lord of the 2nd house, and in turn gets aspect of > Saturn and Jupiter. Mark that Saturn is Rogesh and thus the disorder is > explained. Mark that in Navamsha Venus is in enemy house and does not > derive strength from Navamsha. > The native might get some help by wearing a Diamond. > > About your other queries, remember what I said about it being necessary > for a Jyotishi to know about many sciences in order to arrive at a > conclusion? Stammering is a result of lack of confidence. This indicates > basically a psychological problem and so who else must be afflicted than > the Karaka of Mind, Moon? You will find that with correct aplication of > Time zone, Moon is posited in Lagna in Mercury's Rasi, whose enemy is Moon. > > Hope this helps, > Chandrashekhar. Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard http://antispam./whatsnewfree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Dear Shri Prakash ji Thanks for the compliments and call me pradeep.But the real compliment should go to the Gurus.You could see how Chandrashekhar ji and Ramadas Ji and other learned members were responding and sharing their knowledge for the recent queries.These knowledge one won't get just by browsing net alone.Also to share knowledge one needs confidence in ones own ability and the attitude to help(otherwise you would end up like some 50 year old software programmers who are scared of losing their job, by sharing their knowledge:).We could see this confidence in many members. I have already mentioned in a mail to Chandrashekar ji about position of venus and Jupiter.Jupiter in ascendant and Venus in 4th.My education was good with Gods grace and guidance and blessings of parents.I did my engineering from Trivandrum Eng.College and currently doing an MBA from Edinburgh Business school.Thanks for this analysis. I have sun,mercury ,moon and rahu in capri (you have missed sun).I used to go to Hanuman temple as well back home. You have good knowledge in astrology, i believe.Yes at times you are right sign lord and rahu makes me think for the apt word before you speak,and at times it help you as well.I dont know how this is going along with the eccentric nature explained earlier.Do you have any such (caution) experience from some others? Fourth lord Jupiter is in its own house in ascendant.This should be helping my mother.Also my mother is a very religious person.These blessings and her prayers have helped her and our family,though as you have rightly said about some minor health issues.Do you think Rogesh Venus(also labhesh) exalted in fourth might have also helped? Of course tensions are there for everyone and it all depends on how you perceive things.But yes i am emotional at times:-) Another friend and learned member Laurie Ji mentioned once that planets in Dhasnishta nakshthra in second house hepls one in singing. Thanks again for sharing your time and knowledge. Regds Pradeep vedic astrology, Vedic Astrologer - Prakash <prakashkandpal> wrote: > Dear Shri Pradeep Ji, > > I would first congratualate you on your mail which is one > of the best written mails on the list. You seem to have > gathered your thoughts very well one after the other. > > According to you, you have Sagittarius Ascendant while > Capricon beholds three planets viz. Moon, Rahu & Mercury > while Saturn is happily sitting in 6th house i.e. Taurus > signifying strong 6th house. But before I make any > statement one needs to know the position of Venus who is > the lord of 6th house. Mars is surely in a very strong > position although one needs to know the degrees and > position in Navamansha. > > Also one should check the position of other natural > benefics and benific planets for Sagittarius ascendant > before commenting on anything. I have seen in my > father-in-law's chart that strong Mars in fifth house with > other benefic aspects sent him to Haridwar for his vedic > education that too during the time when many people were > not able to go to school about 50 years back which I was > able to foresee with God's grace. I can say that your > education was strong and in fact children will also do good > in life. It can also be said that you are a devotee of > Lord Hanuman. > > Rahu, Moon & Mercury combination will certainly give you a > tendency to give a spontaneous response since Moon & > Mercury are the quickest planets but the sign lord and Rahu > may caution you at times to think before you speak. Also > since Moon is with Rahu (although One needs to see the > position of Jupiter as well), still there would have been > some problems with the mother (if I am not going > overboard). One also needs to see the position of Venus > who is the natural karaka of performing arts viz. singing > to comment on that part. > > The Moon & Rahu combination also states that there are many > mental tentions you carry with you. > > Hope the above gives a bit of clarity on your subject mail. > > With sincere regards, > Prakash Kandpal > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and other learned members > > I have always thought of asking this question regarding > speech > disorder.Whenever i have read something about the second > house,there > were some indications about speech disorder - subject to > afflictions > of second house,lords,mercury etc. > > But with Gods grace i have no disorder though i have > mercury with > moon,rahu and sun in the second house.The lord of second > house is > saturn and is placed in the 6th,in taurus (which being a > friendly > sign).But since mercury considers moon as an enemy and as > rahu wants > to settle a score against moon there arises a chance of > struggle > going on in this house.But again there were no bad > results.All i > could say is eccentric nature (meaning being spontaneous) > - like for > eg if you want to howl while watching a show - you will > howl without > thinking twice.Another thing is your mind could go into > overlapping > (it could be called multi tasking as per computer > treminologies).I > think this is because of Rahu being with moon.If you dont > close your > eyes for a second and take a deep breath and tell your mind > to > concentrate,this rahu will make your mind to jump to other > areas.I > think this rahu cannot wait and is very eager(but truth is > curiosity > and eagerness are good but one should wait and concentrate > to build > the foundation).Thus it can be good as well as bad.But this > can be > controlled if you want.One has to be strict on Rahu.But > again this is > possible may be due to concentrated net result of different > > planets.Another thing is obsession -for eg if you like > music you > might be with it for a long time,and if you like astrology > you might > browse for hours,these are good things:-),but one should > control the > bad things as well.Control is possible if multiple aspects > or > conjunctions are there as they will significantly modify > the > effects.But one should think i need to control.Why i am > telling all > this is,the ongoing discussions were mentioning about > afflictions of > different karakas.And i was sharing own experience if it > helps.One > has to be very careful while analysing multiple > conjunctions.Without > myself telling, the learned members like you will be > definitely aware > of all these,but i am qouting all these from individual > experiences > which could be a further reinforcement or confirmation for > your > research. > > Also about your another point,fifth house.I have Mars in > Aries in 5th > house. > > So as you have said one should analyse carefully with the > help of > basics to reach conclusions on topics like speech > disorder.I think > there are more things than second house and mercury,Moon > afflictions > for speech disorders(as you have rightly mentioned),which i > am unable > to explain due to lack of knowledge.I am reinstating this > because there is no speech disorder for me and with Gods > grace,i can > sing a bit as well once in a while in the living > room(outside > bathroom as well,thats what i meant:-). > > So it would be helpful if you could tell,what all could be > the basic > considerations one should have, inorder to predict speech > disorders.Also what reasons might had saved me.This can be > helpful in > learning and analysing.Thanks to the destiny controllers. > > With respect and regards > Pradeep > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > Sharma > wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > You enter Manama in Astro.com/atlas page and will get the > Long. > Lat. of > > Bahrain. It will show the Time zone as 3 hr.s. Click on > the Manama > link > > and another page opens. Here the same time would be shown > for > current > > date. Now put in Dec. 1960 in the form and click continue > and you > will > > get 4 Hr.s as the Time zone. D.S.T. was obviously > applicable ni > 1960 the > > year of Rajus birth. The Lagna of Raju will change to > Virgo as I > had > > suspected. > > This will help you understand why I say, ad naseum > perhaps, that > one > > must master one system completely and be firm in his > basics. The > > earlier horoscope with Libra ascendant does not give any > indication > for > > speech disorder from the principles.Mercury in 2nd house > and Mars > in 9th > > owning the 2nd house could not simply give speech > disorder. > Whenever you > > find no explaination to the facts based on the Horoscope, > go back > to > > basics, and if you feel that the facts do not bear out > the > horoscope > > give to you, be certain that the time could not be > correct or that > the > > Charrt is drawn with wrong parameters. > > With Virgo as the Ascendant, Mercury shifts to 3rd house > and its > > dispositor Mars (lord of 3rd and 8th) associates Mandi. > Mars also > > aspects Venus the lord of the 2nd house, and in turn gets > aspect of > > Saturn and Jupiter. Mark that Saturn is Rogesh and thus > the > disorder is > > explained. Mark that in Navamsha Venus is in enemy house > and does > not > > derive strength from Navamsha. > > The native might get some help by wearing a Diamond. > > > > About your other queries, remember what I said about it > being > necessary > > for a Jyotishi to know about many sciences in order to > arrive at a > > conclusion? Stammering is a result of lack of confidence. > This > indicates > > basically a psychological problem and so who else must be > afflicted > than > > the Karaka of Mind, Moon? You will find that with correct > > aplication of > > Time zone, Moon is posited in Lagna in Mercury's Rasi, > whose enemy > is Moon. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam./whatsnewfree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Dear Ramesh, I would take the point about A6 in 2nd alone leading to stammering, with a bit of salt.The reason is that for A6 to be in 2nd house its lord would have to be in 10th house or 4th house depending on whether you follow Savya method in which it would always be in 10th house, and Savya/Apasavya methods for Odd and Even signs when it would be in 4th or 10th house. None of the classic texts, including BPHS mentions this effect. Rather BPHS mentions that he is a gifted speaker for the 10th house placement. Would Jupiter Lord of the 6th and 9th for Cancer ascendant in 2nd give stammering? Think about this. About the Quote from Medical Astrology, tehe statement apparently refers to a specific Chart , and in abscence of the chart, it would not be proper to comment on it. I have not , however found 5th house lording over speech. Hope this helps, Chandrashekhar. Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, A friend of mine has pointed to A6 being posted in 2nd house. Importance of checking 5th house and 5th lord plus the role of Saturn, Rogesh, is again highlighted. " hello ramesh, May I add another point-A6 is placed in the 2nd house signifying the disease in the mouth/face. Also I am quoting from medical astrology- pg 131 "when there is stammering in speech it is the result naturally of affliction of factors standing for speech such as the second house, mercury, Jupiter, by an influence that is retarding and obstructing in nature as of Rahu and Saturn etc.Saturn the 5th lord under affliction from Rahu,the 5th house(also a house of speech) and that Jupiter is also taken as one of the signifactors of speech.is under affliction from Rahu, However there was no mention of Ketu's role in this except that it is placed in the 6th house meaning it will give the effects of the lord of the 6th house i.e Saturn." Kind regards Ramesh Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:49 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorder Dear Ramesh, You are right, as to significance of 5th house, it also represents Buddhi. Lack of confidence is just an expression of Lack of faith in one's Buddhi and being 4th from 2nd its Argala on Vacha sthana becomes important. Hopa this helps, Chandrashekhar. Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, To add to what you have already stated, Moon also has Graha drashti of Mars and Saturn and Rashi drishti of Saturn Jupiter and Rahu. You had suggested checking 5th house too for stammering! I presume that is because 5th house signifies the emotional nature! Kindly let me know if hat is correct. 5th house also is has graha drashti of Mars and Rashi drishti of Rahu as well as Sun. Kind regards Ramesh Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:54 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorder Dear Ramesh, You enter Manama in Astro.com/atlas page and will get the Long. Lat. of Bahrain. It will show the Time zone as 3 hr.s. Click on the Manama link and another page opens. Here the same time would be shown for current date. Now put in Dec. 1960 in the form and click continue and you will get 4 Hr.s as the Time zone. D.S.T. was obviously applicable ni 1960 the year of Rajus birth. The Lagna of Raju will change to Virgo as I had suspected. This will help you understand why I say, ad naseum perhaps, that one must master one system completely and be firm in his basics. The earlier horoscope with Libra ascendant does not give any indication for speech disorder from the principles.Mercury in 2nd house and Mars in 9th owning the 2nd house could not simply give speech disorder. Whenever you find no explaination to the facts based on the Horoscope, go back to basics, and if you feel that the facts do not bear out the horoscope give to you, be certain that the time could not be correct or that the Charrt is drawn with wrong parameters. With Virgo as the Ascendant, Mercury shifts to 3rd house and its dispositor Mars (lord of 3rd and 8th) associates Mandi. Mars also aspects Venus the lord of the 2nd house, and in turn gets aspect of Saturn and Jupiter. Mark that Saturn is Rogesh and thus the disorder is explained. Mark that in Navamsha Venus is in enemy house and does not derive strength from Navamsha. The native might get some help by wearing a Diamond. About your other queries, remember what I said about it being necessary for a Jyotishi to know about many sciences in order to arrive at a conclusion? Stammering is a result of lack of confidence. This indicates basically a psychological problem and so who else must be afflicted than the Karaka of Mind, Moon? You will find that with correct aplication of Time zone, Moon is posited in Lagna in Mercury's Rasi, whose enemy is Moon. Hope this helps, Chandrashekhar. Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, Thank you for your kind replies. The native is reasonably sure about the birth time as per local timings. The doubt however is about the time zone. I have verified and found that both Bahrain and Kuwait are currently 1 hr behind Dubai and hence would be 3 hrs from GMT. I haven't been able to check if official timings were same 40 years back. Native's problem is that of stammering which probably I should have mentioned before! For stammering you have suggested checking affliction on 5th house and Moon, which I had not done. Now I do find that Moon is aspected by Mars and Saturn both natural malefic (though Saturn is YK for Libra). Moon is also 10th lord. Native had taken up family business which eventually he had to wind up due to financial problems. This probably would go with Moon being the 10th lord and being afflicted! 5th house again is afflicted by Ketu's placement and Graha aspects of Saturn plus Rahu. I shall appreciate your comments on the above. I shall also appreciate if you can kindly explain the link between stammering and Moon and 5th house. Many thanks and kind regards Ramesh Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:30 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorder Dear Ramesh, Have you checked the accuracy of Ascendant? 2nd house would represent Vacha, so toungue related affliction of spech would come under its purview. If the problem is with vocal chords then 3rd house would come in to play. Also check strength/affliction of 2nd house lord and planets placed in 2nd to be able to understand the reason behind the speech disability. If it is a stammer check for affliction to 5th and Moon. Chandrashekhar. Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Learned Members, I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a speech disorder. The relevant points that I noticed are as follows: 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd, aspected (graha drsiti) by none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd house though Mercury is karka for speech. I wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' will apply in this case! 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord placement is 8th from its house and that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however is in parivartana with Mercury. That is like Mars in own house, wonder which 2nd or 9th!. If 9th it is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter should protect! Mars is its own MTK house in Navamsa. 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with Sun and no aspects, lord of 9th and 12th. 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests checking 2nd from Mercury. This is the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn, aspected by Rahu. Jupiter is its own MTK house. Jupiter is known to 'bhrashta' the house in which it is placed. Would it afflict its own house too? Saturn being ahead in longitude wins the graha yudha. Add to that is the aspect of Rahu! In conclusion I did not see major afflictions that could indicate speech disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point however would lead us to the identification of affliction. I shall appreciate if receiving comments from learned members and a scrutiny by Gurus. Kind regards Ramesh PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB: Manama, Bahrain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Chadrashekharji, I am sorry but I havent understood 1st para and hence seek your kind clarification. Is there a doubt about about A6 being in 2nd or in your opinion the placement of A6 by itself in 2nd does not lead to stammering? I had understood A6 being arudha pada for 6th house and since 6th lord Saturn is placed in 4th, 11th from 6th, A6 would be placed in 11th from 4th which is 2nd. I am also missing your point about the "lord would have to be placed in 10th or 4th. I shall appreciate if you can explain the same. Thank you and kind regards Ramesh vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Ramesh, I would take the point about A6 in 2nd alone leading to > stammering, with a bit of salt.The reason is that for A6 to be in 2nd > house its lord would have to be in 10th house or 4th house depending on > whether you follow Savya method in which it would always be in 10th > house, and Savya/Apasavya methods for Odd and Even signs when it would > be in 4th or 10th house. None of the classic texts, including BPHS > mentions this effect. Rather BPHS mentions that he is a gifted speaker > for the 10th house placement. Would Jupiter Lord of the 6th and 9th for > Cancer ascendant in 2nd give stammering? Think about this. > About the Quote from Medical Astrology, tehe statement apparently refers > to a specific Chart , and in abscence of the chart, it would not be > proper to comment on it. I have not , however found 5th house lording > over speech. > Hope this helps, > Chandrashekhar. > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, > > > > A friend of mine has pointed to A6 being posted in 2nd > > house. Importance of checking 5th house and 5th lord plus the role of > > Saturn, Rogesh, is again highlighted. > > > > " hello ramesh, > > > > May I add another point-A6 is placed in the 2nd house signifying the > > disease in the mouth/face. > > > > Also I am quoting from medical astrology- pg 131 "when there is > > stammering in speech it is the result naturally of affliction of > > factors standing for speech such as the second house, mercury, > > Jupiter, by an influence that is retarding and obstructing in nature > > as of Rahu and Saturn etc.Saturn the 5th lord under affliction from > > Rahu,the 5th house(also a house of speech) and that Jupiter is also > > taken as one of the signifactors of speech.is under affliction from > > Rahu, However there was no mention of Ketu's role in this except that > > it is placed in the 6th house meaning it will give the effects of the > > lord of the 6th house i.e Saturn." > > > > Kind regards > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > ** Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel] > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:49 PM > > *To:* vedic astrology > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorder > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > You are right, as to significance of 5th house, it also > > represents Buddhi. Lack of confidence is just an expression of > > Lack of faith in one's Buddhi and being 4th from 2nd its Argala > > on Vacha sthana becomes important. > > Hopa this helps, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > > > >> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > >> > >> Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, > >> > >> To add to what you have already stated, Moon also has Graha > >> drashti of Mars and Saturn and Rashi drishti of Saturn Jupiter > >> and Rahu. You had suggested checking 5th house too for > >> stammering! I presume that is because 5th house signifies the > >> emotional nature! Kindly let me know if hat is correct. 5th house > >> also is has graha drashti of Mars and Rashi drishti of Rahu as > >> well as Sun. > >> > >> Kind regards > >> Ramesh > >> > >> > >> ** Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel] > >> *Sent:* Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:54 PM > >> *To:* vedic astrology > >> *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorder > >> > >> Dear Ramesh, > >> You enter Manama in Astro.com/atlas page and will get the > >> Long. Lat. of Bahrain. It will show the Time zone as 3 hr.s. > >> Click on the Manama link and another page opens. Here the > >> same time would be shown for current date. Now put in Dec. > >> 1960 in the form and click continue and you will get 4 Hr.s > >> as the Time zone. D.S.T. was obviously applicable ni 1960 the > >> year of Rajus birth. The Lagna of Raju will change to Virgo > >> as I had suspected. > >> This will help you understand why I say, ad naseum perhaps, > >> that one must master one system completely and be firm in > >> his basics. The earlier horoscope with Libra ascendant does > >> not give any indication for speech disorder from the > >> principles.Mercury in 2nd house and Mars in 9th owning the > >> 2nd house could not simply give speech disorder. Whenever you > >> find no explaination to the facts based on the Horoscope, go > >> back to basics, and if you feel that the facts do not bear > >> out the horoscope give to you, be certain that the time could > >> not be correct or that the Charrt is drawn with wrong parameters. > >> With Virgo as the Ascendant, Mercury shifts to 3rd house > >> and its dispositor Mars (lord of 3rd and 8th) associates > >> Mandi. Mars also aspects Venus the lord of the 2nd house, and > >> in turn gets aspect of Saturn and Jupiter. Mark that Saturn > >> is Rogesh and thus the disorder is explained. Mark that in > >> Navamsha Venus is in enemy house and does not derive strength > >> from Navamsha. > >> The native might get some help by wearing a Diamond. > >> > >> About your other queries, remember what I said about it being > >> necessary for a Jyotishi to know about many sciences in order > >> to arrive at a conclusion? Stammering is a result of lack of > >> confidence. This indicates basically a psychological problem > >> and so who else must be afflicted than the Karaka of Mind, > >> Moon? You will find that with correct aplication of Time > >> zone, Moon is posited in Lagna in Mercury's Rasi, whose enemy > >> is Moon. > >> > >> Hope this helps, > >> Chandrashekhar. > >> > >> Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > >> > >>> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > >>> > >>> Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, > >>> > >>> Thank you for your kind replies. The native is reasonably > >>> sure about the birth time as per local timings. The doubt > >>> however is about the time zone. I have verified and found > >>> that both Bahrain and Kuwait are currently 1 hr behind Dubai > >>> and hence would be 3 hrs from GMT. I haven't been able to > >>> check if official timings were same 40 years back. > >>> > >>> Native's problem is that of stammering which probably I > >>> should have mentioned before! For stammering you have > >>> suggested checking affliction on 5th house and Moon, which I > >>> had not done. Now I do find that Moon is aspected by Mars > >>> and Saturn both natural malefic (though Saturn is YK for > >>> Libra). Moon is also 10th lord. Native had taken up family > >>> business which eventually he had to wind up due to financial > >>> problems. This probably would go with Moon being the 10th > >>> lord and being afflicted! > >>> > >>> 5th house again is afflicted by Ketu's placement and Graha > >>> aspects of Saturn plus Rahu. > >>> > >>> I shall appreciate your comments on the above. I shall also > >>> appreciate if you can kindly explain the link between > >>> stammering and Moon and 5th house. > >>> > >>> Many thanks and kind regards > >>> Ramesh > >>> > >>> > >>> ** Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel] > >>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:30 PM > >>> *To:* vedic astrology > >>> *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorder > >>> > >>> Dear Ramesh, > >>> Have you checked the accuracy of Ascendant? 2nd house > >>> would represent Vacha, so toungue related affliction of > >>> spech would come under its purview. If the problem is > >>> with vocal chords then 3rd house would come in to play. > >>> Also check strength/affliction of 2nd house lord and > >>> planets placed in 2nd to be able to understand the > >>> reason behind the speech disability. If it is a stammer > >>> check for affliction to 5th and Moon. > >>> Chandrashekhar. > >>> > >>> Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > >>> > >>>> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > >>>> > >>>> Dear Learned Members, > >>>> > >>>> I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a speech > >>>> disorder. The relevant points that I noticed are as > >>>> follows: > >>>> > >>>> 1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd, aspected > >>>> (graha drsiti) by none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka > >>>> for 2nd house though Mercury is karka for speech. I > >>>> wonder if 'karka bhava hrasya' will apply in this case! > >>>> 2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord placement is 8th > >>>> from its house and that would afflict the 2nd house. > >>>> Mars however is in parivartana with Mercury. That is > >>>> like Mars in own house, wonder which 2nd or 9th!. If > >>>> 9th it is aspected by Saturn and Jupiter and Jupiter > >>>> should protect! Mars is its own MTK house in Navamsa. > >>>> 3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with Sun and > >>>> no aspects, lord of 9th and 12th. > >>>> 4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests checking 2nd > >>>> from Mercury. This is the 3rd house with Jupiter and > >>>> Saturn, aspected by Rahu. Jupiter is its own MTK house. > >>>> Jupiter is known to 'bhrashta' the house in which it is > >>>> placed. Would it afflict its own house too? Saturn > >>>> being ahead in longitude wins the graha yudha. Add to > >>>> that is the aspect of Rahu! > >>>> > >>>> In conclusion I did not see major afflictions that > >>>> could indicate speech disorder in first 3 points. The > >>>> 4th point however would lead us to the identification > >>>> of affliction. I shall appreciate if receiving comments > >>>> from learned members and a scrutiny by Gurus. > >>>> > >>>> Kind regards > >>>> Ramesh > >>>> > >>>> PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB: Manama, > >>>> Bahrain. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Archives: vedic- astrology > >>>> > >>>> Group info: > >>>> vedic- astrology/info.html > >>>> > >>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > >>>> vedic astrology- > >>>> > >>>> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > >>>> > >>>> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Terms of Service <>. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Archives: vedic- astrology > >>> > >>> Group info: > >>> vedic- astrology/info.html > >>> > >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > >>> vedic astrology- > >>> > >>> ....... 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