Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.

Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]

Friday, July 04, 2003 12:55 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in

LAGNA.

Dear Ernst,

Does BPHS not attribute similar results to 3rd lord(Neither debilitated

nor exalted) in 1st in chapter 24 shloka25?

Chandrashekhar.

Ernst Wilhelm wrote:

Dear Pradeep,

yes, so Jupiter will cause raja yoga.

There is one thing that gives rise in life- inspired activity, the

other is the ability to overcome any obstacles that may come in one's

way. Most raja yogas indicate inspired activity that is rewarded. The

other type helps us overcome anything in the way, or get rid of what

would otherwise get in our way. The 3rd lord debilitated is one such

yoga that helps us get rid of what is in the way.

One very big thing that gets in the way of

success and also wellbeing is the inability to move beyond our

paridigm- a problem can only be overcome by being solved on a higher

level than it originated. The 3rd lord debilited, or a planet in the

3rd being debilitated gives this quality.

Generally the yogas that help give success by

overcoming obstacles do not give success the easy way as can other raja

yogas. Often these yogas are seen in the charts of those who became

successful in difficult times or through difficult experiences. War

hereos are one such example.

Jai Ram,

Ernst Wilhelm

Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar [PradeepKumar.Vijayadas (AT) sisclear (DOT) com]

Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:10 AM

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in

LAGNA.

Dear Ernst Jee

So it means, for capri lagnas third house is

pisces and hence its lord jupiter if debiliated gives rise to raja

yoga.Am i right.Yes the individual about whom i am speaking has got

fame and position in life but there was lots of bad luck.

Thanks

Pradeep

Ernst Wilhelm [ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net]

Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2003 17:02

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter

in LAGNA.

Dear Mofie,

3rd lord debilitates forms a raja yoga, so

that is why Jupiter is preferred in lagna in capricorn.

Jai Ram,

Ernst Wilhelm

Mofie Augustine [mofieA (AT) netscape (DOT) net]

Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:04 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated

Jupiter in LAGNA.

Dear Guru's

Yeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a capri lagna

natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is more

favourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is that though

Guru cause the famous Mahapurusha

Yoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in lagna?? Can

anyone enlighten please?

Thanks

Mofie

onlyhari wrote:

---Om

Brihaspataye Namah---

Dear Pradeep,

Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an individual shall

never be short of money or fulfillment of needs.

The question is why?

regards

Hari

vedic astrology,

"Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar"

<PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...>

wrote:

> Respected members

>

> If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna is

present,can

> it still give some luck to the individual.I have found this from a

> chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it aspects.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

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July 5, 2003

Thanks for this great post- let me ask you if my understanding /of everything

you said, lol/ is correct:

-so, extent of VRY will depend on Sa strenght/or AK- I would need more explanation on later- please!

-Exaltation of Mars /kendra Lord/ is not necessary for VRY, is that right? Would

Angular placement and lordship be enough? And Jupiter, dusthana Lord, with

kendra Lord gains stenght/ is that what you call neechabanga RY for Ju- as

well?/ in addition to being VRY/

One more Q: What if dusthana Lord and kendra Lord are neither in kendra nor kona?

What if they are in dusthana house?/this is second Q/,

Thank you, Sarajit.

Anna

Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Hari,

One of the condition for Vipareeta Raja yoga is that the dusthana lords should

be placed with a kendra/ kona lord in a kendra kona in strength. When Mars is

exalted in the Lagna with Debilitated in the same place. First of all we have

neechabhanga of Jupiter. This renders both Mars and Jupiter strong and thus

bringing in the benefits of the VRY. The extent to which it shall bestow its

result would depend on the association with AK or the lagna lord Saturn with

this combination.

Best Wishes

Sarajit

-

"onlyhari" <onlyhari >

Friday, July 04, 2003 4:18 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.

> ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---> Dear Pradeep,> > A lady that I know of has Ju +

Ma in Cp lagna. Comforts, care, money > all in adequate measure throughout this

lady's life but the crucial > difference here is the lady didnt have to

face/overcome obstacles in > order to reach that status unlike the gentleman

you are mentioning > about. I guess that the Ruchaka yoga is at work here and

come to > think of it, she also has a gajakesari yoga though I am less certain

> whether both yogas will fructify in her life (Ju dasha over and Ma > dasha

comes very late).> > Regarding the point about Jyestha nakshatra, I should add

that your > observation may be true for people born with lagna in Jyestha >

nakshatra also. The first half of their lives is full of troubles > while the

second half is probably better

and happier. At least for > the moon in Jyestha nakshatra, is it because the

Saturn Mahadasha > comes relatively early in their lives?> > regards> Hari> > >

> Dear Ernst Jee> > > > The explanation given by you is amazing.The individual

about whom > i was> > mentioning did not get success by virtue of luck.He

always had > obstacles> > and diffulties to be overcomed.But somehow even

during difficult > times> > strength and energy were there in a persistent

fashion.Thus this > could> > be attributed to the debiliated raja yoga you had

mentioned.> > > > Plus another interesting thing is this individual has

jyeshta > nakshathra> > in moon rashi.I had read somewhere jyeshta people have

to fight and> > strive hard for success.> > > > Thanks a lot.> >

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July 5, 2003

Sorry, I'm late, catching up with 'interesting messages..

Thanks for information- that deb.3rdH Lord forms raya yoga /VRY, I guess/ by

virtue of its debilitation itself- no matter in which house is placed- How

would you interpret if that happened to be 9th house?

What would be the reason/s/ for favourable result/s/ of 3rdL in lagna? Courage...?

Thanks,

AnnaErnst Wilhelm <ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Charashekhar,

yes, BPHS gives favorable results to the 3rd lord in the lagna, but I am

talking about the 3rd lord being debilitated, whatever the house, forming a

raja yoga, which is a different matter.

Jai Ram,

Ernst Wilhelm

Chandrashekhar Sharma

[boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Friday, July 04, 2003 12:55 PMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated

Jupiter in LAGNA.Dear Ernst,Does BPHS not attribute similar results to 3rd

lord(Neither debilitated nor exalted) in 1st in chapter 24

shloka25?Chandrashekhar.Ernst Wilhelm wrote:

Dear Pradeep,

yes, so Jupiter will cause raja yoga. There is one thing that gives rise in

life- inspired activity, the other is the ability to overcome any obstacles

that may come in one's way. Most raja yogas indicate inspired activity that is

rewarded. The other type helps us overcome anything in the way, or get rid of

what would otherwise get in our way. The 3rd lord debilitated is one such yoga

that helps us get rid of what is in the way.

One very big thing that gets in the way of success and also wellbeing is the

inability to move beyond our paridigm- a problem can only be overcome by being

solved on a higher level than it originated. The 3rd lord debilited, or a

planet in the 3rd being debilitated gives this quality.

Generally the yogas that help give success by overcoming obstacles do not give

success the easy way as can other raja yogas. Often these yogas are seen in the

charts of those who became successful in difficult times or through difficult

experiences. War hereos are one such example.

Jai Ram,

Ernst Wilhelm

Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar

[PradeepKumar.Vijayadas (AT) sisclear (DOT) com] Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:10

AMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re:

Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.

Dear Ernst Jee

So it means, for capri lagnas third house is pisces and hence its lord jupiter

if debiliated gives rise to raja yoga.Am i right.Yes the individual about whom

i am speaking has got fame and position in life but there was lots of bad luck.

Thanks

Pradeep

Ernst Wilhelm [ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net]

Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2003 17:02vedic astrologySubject:

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.

Dear Mofie,

3rd lord debilitates forms a raja yoga, so that is why Jupiter is preferred

in lagna in capricorn.

Jai Ram,

Ernst Wilhelm

Mofie Augustine [mofieA (AT) netscape (DOT) net]

Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:04 AMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated

Jupiter in LAGNA.Dear Guru'sYeah I too had read somewhere in list before that

for a capri lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is morefavourable for

them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is that though Guru cause the famous

MahapurushaYoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in lagna??

Can anyone enlighten please?Thanks Mofieonlyhari wrote:

---Om Brihaspataye Namah---Dear Pradeep,Yes, it can give luck to the individual

and such an individual shall never be short of money or fulfillment of

needs.The question is why?regardsHarivedic astrology,

"Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar" <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote:> Respected

members> > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna is

present,can> it still give some luck to the individual.I have found this from

a> chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it aspects.> > Thanks>

Pradeep> > >

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Dear Chandrashekar ji

The person has 6 brothers and 2 sisters and he is the eldest

person.But success and fame was because of own effort.so thus can it

inferred that happiness due to more brothers and sisters are the

only benefit of this exchange.Or any other benefits due to this

exchange.

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma

<boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Pradeep,

> In that case, the prson comes up in life by dint of his own

efforts.

> Sometimes he gets help of his brothers in his elevation.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar wrote:

>

> > Dear Zoran ji and chandrashekar ji

> >

> > How could be the results if there is an exchange between lagna

lord

> > and debiliated 3rd lord.eg. for Capri lagna jupiter the lord of

third

> > is in lagna and shani lord of lagna is in third.What general

results

> > can be expected because of third and lagna lords.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > Zoran Radosavljevic [ahimsa@N...]

> > Freitag, 4. Juli 2003 05:13

> > vedic astrology

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in

LAGNA.

> >

> > Dear Chandrakeshar,

> > Ernst has given a very valid thinking, 3rd, 6th and 8th

lords in

> > debilitation while Lagnesh is well placed, gives Raja Yoga

> > see Parashara. Further, Tasmin Ucha Neecha Ve Shrimanath-

Jaimini,

> > so exalted and debilitated grahas are giver of wealth,

> > If Guru is in Capricorn Lagna while, Shani is in own sign in

> > kumbha, a great wealth may come

> > Best wishes

> > Zoran

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote:

> >

> >> Dear Mofie,

> >> mahapurusha yoga is given rise to in any of the Quadrants,

and

> >> not just 7th. The reason for Jupiter's good result in

> >> debilitation is that Jupiter is said to harm the house that

he is

> >> placed in (Sthana Bhrashta), in exaltation his strength

> >> increases. Again he aspects his exaltation sign when placed

in

> >> debilitation, leading to beneficial effects. As a matter of

fact

> >> one learned Jyotishi, Shri Katwe, was of the firm opinion

that it

> >> is the debilitated planets that give rise to benefic yogas.

Of

> >> course this is not a generally held opinion.

> >> Chandrashekhar.

> >>

> >> Mofie Augustine wrote:

> >>

> >>> Dear Guru's

> >>>

> >>> Yeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a

capri

> >>> lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is more

> >>> favourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is

that

> >>> though Guru cause the famous Mahapurusha

> >>> Yoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in

> >>> lagna?? Can anyone enlighten please?

> >>>

> >>> Thanks

> >>>

> >>> Mofie

> >>>

> >>> onlyhari wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---

> >>>> Dear Pradeep,

> >>>>

> >>>> Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an

individual

> >>>> shall

> >>>> never be short of money or fulfillment of needs.

> >>>>

> >>>> The question is why?

> >>>>

> >>>> regards

> >>>> Hari

> >>>>

> >>>> vedic astrology , "Vijayadas,

Pradeep

> >>>> Kumar"

> >>>> <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote:

> >>>> > Respected members

> >>>> >

> >>>> > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna

is

> >>>> present,can

> >>>> > it still give some luck to the individual.I have found

this

> >>>> from a

> >>>> > chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it

aspects.

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Thanks

> >>>> > Pradeep

> >>>> >

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Dear Chadrashekhar,

yes, he would form raja yoga in any other house, but if joined with a good

house lord that house lord will suffer on account of his debilitation. Demi

moore is one such example who has Mars as third lord debilitated in the 6th

house and who rose to fame in Mars dasa in the 80's.

Jai Ram,

Ernst Wilhelm

Chandrashekhar Sharma

[boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Saturday, July 05, 2003 1:49 PMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated

Jupiter in LAGNA.Dear Ernst,I would think 3rd house in dusthanas , debilitated,

would form a powerful Rajyoga. I am not certain he would form Rajyoga in any

house. Of course I could be wrong.Chandrashekhar.Ernst Wilhelm wrote:

Dear Charashekhar,

yes, BPHS gives favorable results to the 3rd lord in the lagna, but I am

talking about the 3rd lord being debilitated, whatever the house, forming a

raja yoga, which is a different matter.

Jai Ram,

Ernst Wilhelm

Chandrashekhar Sharma

[boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Friday, July 04, 2003 12:55 PMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated

Jupiter in LAGNA.Dear Ernst,Does BPHS not attribute similar results to 3rd

lord(Neither debilitated nor exalted) in 1st in chapter 24

shloka25?Chandrashekhar.Ernst Wilhelm wrote:

Dear Pradeep,

yes, so Jupiter will cause raja yoga. There is one thing that gives rise in

life- inspired activity, the other is the ability to overcome any obstacles

that may come in one's way. Most raja yogas indicate inspired activity that is

rewarded. The other type helps us overcome anything in the way, or get rid of

what would otherwise get in our way. The 3rd lord debilitated is one such yoga

that helps us get rid of what is in the way.

One very big thing that gets in the way of success and also wellbeing is the

inability to move beyond our paridigm- a problem can only be overcome by being

solved on a higher level than it originated. The 3rd lord debilited, or a

planet in the 3rd being debilitated gives this quality.

Generally the yogas that help give success by overcoming obstacles do not give

success the easy way as can other raja yogas. Often these yogas are seen in the

charts of those who became successful in difficult times or through difficult

experiences. War hereos are one such example.

Jai Ram,

Ernst Wilhelm

Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar

[PradeepKumar.Vijayadas (AT) sisclear (DOT) com] Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:10

AMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re:

Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.

Dear Ernst Jee

So it means, for capri lagnas third house is pisces and hence its lord jupiter

if debiliated gives rise to raja yoga.Am i right.Yes the individual about whom

i am speaking has got fame and position in life but there was lots of bad luck.

Thanks

Pradeep

Ernst Wilhelm [ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net]

Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2003 17:02vedic astrologySubject:

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.

Dear Mofie,

3rd lord debilitates forms a raja yoga, so that is why Jupiter is preferred

in lagna in capricorn.

Jai Ram,

Ernst Wilhelm