Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.

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dear Chandrashekharji,

 

thank you for answering my question so wonderfully. This made it

very clear. I have one other question though:

 

does this mean that a "neecha" planet (or one in fall, like the

mercury in sagittarius) would mean the same in a VRY as a

debilitated planet (as in mercury in Pisces) in a dusthana? or would

there be degrees in the strength of the VRY?

 

I am trying to understand whether I would treat the VRY differently

if the planet was in debilitation as opposed to being "neecha"

or "fall".

 

many thanks!

 

rani.

 

 

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma"

<boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Rani,

> VRY are of diferent strength, as the mane suggests the yoga occurs

as the results are reverse of what is likely applying normal

rules.The reason, or if you prefer, logic behind the yoga is a

dusthana lord harms the house in which he is posited. If in another

dusthana he spoils the results of the dusthana thus giving good

results of that bhava. Now Debilitated malefic(even if functional

here) is even greater malefic and hence destruction of bad effects

is also proportionately greater.So the VRY caused thus is much more

powerful than that caused by only the dusthana lord non debilitated.

> About fall, if one undersatnds tha antiquity of vedic jyotish, it

should be obvious that what we call yogas or tenets of other systems

of astrology have a base in Vedic Astrology only.The reason that

they were thought to have come from other system is that in ancient

times the practice was to memorise shashtras rather than write it

down.

> Vedic astrology has given results of Aarohi and Avarohi planest in

details. This means planet approaching its exaltation and

debilitation respectively.

> The answer to both your question is yes.

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> raindancer_1998

> vedic astrology

> Friday, July 11, 2003 9:56 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.

>

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar, I just checked BPHS and it is still

confusing

> to me. would a planet need to be "debilitated" to have VRY or

> whether just being a dusthana planet in the dusthana house could

> give rise to the yoga. also, would a planet in "fall", not

> debilitation, be part of the yoga? or is "fall" solely a western

> concept (as it seems I haven't encountered this word in jyotish

at

> all)?

>

> also, can you please tell me:

>

> 1) would mercury ruler of 3rd and 12th in 6th be VRY, and

>

> 2) would venus in virgo in 4th house opposite jupiter in pisces

in

> 10th be NBRY?

>

> many thanks.

>

> rani.

>

>

> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma

> <boxdel> wrote:

> > Dear Zoran,

> > I think the confusion arises as I was refering to the General

> statement

> > that 3rd lord debilitated in any house gives rise to Rajyoga.

You

> are

> > refering to Saturn occupying 2nd house, being lord of

Capricorn

> and thus

> > AL being placed in 3rd. But here too Saturn would be 12th from

AL

> and

> > drain away what is earned by Jupiter in 11th from AL.

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Zoran Radosavljevic wrote:

> >

> > > Om Namo Narayanaya,

> > > Dear Chandrakeshar,

> > > THere is an explicit shloka in Parashara that Lagnesh must

be in

> > > strength, while 3rd/6th and 8th lords are neecha. In case I

> mentioned,

> > > if lagnesh

> > > goes to 2nd, jupiter would be neech in 11th from Arudha

Lagna,

> great

> > > finance indeed..

> > > Best wishes

> > > Zoran

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote:

> > >

> > >> Dear Zoran,

> > >> I thought the discussion did not mention anything about

Lagnesh

> in

> > >> strength, and was about Jupiter in Capricorn occupying

Lagna.

> Or was

> > >> I wrong? Again for Capricorn, Jupiter is also lord of the

12th.

> > >> Chandrashekhar.

> > >>

> > >> Zoran Radosavljevic wrote:

> > >>

> > >>> Dear Chandrakeshar,

> > >>> Ernst has given a very valid thinking, 3rd, 6th and 8th

lords

> in

> > >>> debilitation while Lagnesh is well placed, gives Raja Yoga

> > >>> see Parashara. Further, Tasmin Ucha Neecha Ve Shrimanath-

> Jaimini,

> > >>> so exalted and debilitated grahas are giver of wealth,

> > >>> If Guru is in Capricorn Lagna while, Shani is in own sign

in

> kumbha,

> > >>> a great wealth may come

> > >>> Best wishes

> > >>> Zoran

> > >>>

> > >>> Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>>> Dear Mofie,

> > >>>> mahapurusha yoga is given rise to in any of the

Quadrants,

> and not

> > >>>> just 7th. The reason for Jupiter's good result in

> debilitation is

> > >>>> that Jupiter is said to harm the house that he is placed

in

> (Sthana

> > >>>> Bhrashta), in exaltation his strength increases. Again he

> aspects

> > >>>> his exaltation sign when placed in debilitation, leading

to

> > >>>> beneficial effects. As a matter of fact one learned

Jyotishi,

> Shri

> > >>>> Katwe, was of the firm opinion that it is the debilitated

> planets

> > >>>> that give rise to benefic yogas. Of course this is not a

> generally

> > >>>> held opinion.

> > >>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Mofie Augustine wrote:

> > >>>>

> > >>>>> Dear Guru's

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Yeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a

> capri

> > >>>>> lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is more

> > >>>>> favourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why

is

> that

> > >>>>> though Guru cause the famous Mahapurusha

> > >>>>> Yoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb.

in

> lagna??

> > >>>>> Can anyone enlighten please?

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Thanks

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Mofie

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> onlyhari wrote:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>> ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---

> > >>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an

> individual shall

> > >>>>>> never be short of money or fulfillment of needs.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> The question is why?

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> regards

> > >>>>>> Hari

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> vedic astrology , "Vijayadas,

> Pradeep Kumar"

> > >>>>>> <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote:

> > >>>>>> > Respected members

> > >>>>>> >

> > >>>>>> > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in

lagna is

> > >>>>>> present,can

> > >>>>>> > it still give some luck to the individual.I have

found

> this from a

> > >>>>>> > chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which

it

> aspects.

> > >>>>>> >

> > >>>>>> > Thanks

> > >>>>>> > Pradeep

> > >>>>>> >

> > >>>>>> >

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Dear Rani,

Neecha means debilitated. Perhaps you mean Avarohi Planet, the planet who passes

his place of exaltation and approaches debilitation.As Mercury has passed his

place of exaltation Virgo and approaching Pisces in Sagitarius he would be

called Avarohi.

The strength of VRY would be less than if he is in pisces.

Chandrashekhar.

 

raindancer_1998

[raindancer_1998 ]Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:30 PMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated

Jupiter in LAGNA.dear Chandrashekharji, thank you for answering my question so

wonderfully. This made it very clear. I have one other question though:does

this mean that a "neecha" planet (or one in fall, like the mercury in

sagittarius) would mean the same in a VRY as a debilitated planet (as in

mercury in Pisces) in a dusthana? or would there be degrees in the strength of

the VRY? I am trying to understand whether I would treat the VRY differently if

the planet was in debilitation as opposed to being "neecha" or "fall". many

thanks!rani.vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma"

<boxdel> wrote:> Dear Rani,> VRY are of diferent strength, as the mane

suggests the yoga occurs as the results are reverse of what is likely applying

normal rules.The reason, or if you prefer, logic behind the yoga is a dusthana

lord harms the house in which he is posited. If in another dusthana he spoils

the results of the dusthana thus giving good results of that bhava. Now

Debilitated malefic(even if functional here) is even greater malefic and hence

destruction of bad effects is also proportionately greater.So the VRY caused

thus is much more powerful than that caused by only the dusthana lord non

debilitated.> About fall, if one undersatnds tha antiquity of vedic jyotish, it

should be obvious that what we call yogas or tenets of other systems of

astrology have a base in Vedic Astrology only.The reason that they were thought

to have come from other system is that in ancient times the practice was to

memorise shashtras rather than write it down.> Vedic astrology has given

results of Aarohi and Avarohi planest in details. This means planet approaching

its exaltation and debilitation respectively.> The answer to both your question

is yes.> Chandrashekhar.> - >

raindancer_1998 > vedic astrology > Friday, July

11, 2003 9:56 AM> [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in

LAGNA.> > > Dear Chandrashekhar, I just checked BPHS and it is still

confusing > to me. would a planet need to be "debilitated" to have VRY or >

whether just being a dusthana planet in the dusthana house could > give rise

to the yoga. also, would a planet in "fall", not > debilitation, be part of

the yoga? or is "fall" solely a western > concept (as it seems I haven't

encountered this word in jyotish at > all)? > > also, can you please tell

me:> > 1) would mercury ruler of 3rd and 12th in 6th be VRY, and > > 2)

would venus in virgo in 4th house opposite jupiter in pisces in > 10th be

NBRY? > > many thanks.> > rani.> > > --- In

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma > <boxdel>

wrote:> > Dear Zoran,> > I think the confusion arises as I was refering to

the General > statement > > that 3rd lord debilitated in any house gives

rise to Rajyoga. You > are > > refering to Saturn occupying 2nd house,

being lord of Capricorn > and thus > > AL being placed in 3rd. But here too

Saturn would be 12th from AL > and > > drain away what is earned by Jupiter

in 11th from AL.> > Regards,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > Zoran

Radosavljevic wrote:> > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya,> > > Dear

Chandrakeshar,> > > THere is an explicit shloka in Parashara that Lagnesh

must be in > > > strength, while 3rd/6th and 8th lords are neecha. In case I

> mentioned, > > > if lagnesh> > > goes to 2nd, jupiter would be neech in

11th from Arudha Lagna, > great > > > finance indeed..> > > Best wishes>

> > Zoran> > >> > > Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote:> > >> > >> Dear Zoran,>

> >> I thought the discussion did not mention anything about Lagnesh > in >

> >> strength, and was about Jupiter in Capricorn occupying Lagna. > Or was >

> >> I wrong? Again for Capricorn, Jupiter is also lord of the 12th.> > >>

Chandrashekhar.> > >>> > >> Zoran Radosavljevic wrote:> > >>> > >>>

Dear Chandrakeshar,> > >>> Ernst has given a very valid thinking, 3rd, 6th

and 8th lords > in > > >>> debilitation while Lagnesh is well placed, gives

Raja Yoga> > >>> see Parashara. Further, Tasmin Ucha Neecha Ve Shrimanath- >

Jaimini, > > >>> so exalted and debilitated grahas are giver of wealth,> >

>>> If Guru is in Capricorn Lagna while, Shani is in own sign in > kumbha, >

> >>> a great wealth may come> > >>> Best wishes> > >>> Zoran> > >>>> >

>>> Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote:> > >>>> > >>>> Dear Mofie,> > >>>>

mahapurusha yoga is given rise to in any of the Quadrants, > and not > >

>>>> just 7th. The reason for Jupiter's good result in > debilitation is >

> >>>> that Jupiter is said to harm the house that he is placed in > (Sthana

> > >>>> Bhrashta), in exaltation his strength increases. Again he >

aspects > > >>>> his exaltation sign when placed in debilitation, leading to

> > >>>> beneficial effects. As a matter of fact one learned Jyotishi, >

Shri > > >>>> Katwe, was of the firm opinion that it is the debilitated >

planets > > >>>> that give rise to benefic yogas. Of course this is not a >

generally > > >>>> held opinion.> > >>>> Chandrashekhar.> > >>>>> >

>>>>> > >>>> Mofie Augustine wrote:> > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Guru's> >

>>>>>> > >>>>> Yeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a >

capri > > >>>>> lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is more> > >>>>>

favourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is > that > > >>>>>

though Guru cause the famous Mahapurusha> > >>>>> Yoga in the 7th but it's

still better to have Guru deb. in > lagna?? > > >>>>> Can anyone enlighten

please?> > >>>>>> > >>>>> Thanks> > >>>>>> > >>>>> Mofie> > >>>>>>

> >>>>> onlyhari wrote:> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---> >

>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes, it can give luck to the

individual and such an > individual shall> > >>>>>> never be short of money

or fulfillment of needs.> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> The question is why?> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>> regards> > >>>>>> Hari> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> --- In

vedic astrology , "Vijayadas, > Pradeep Kumar"> > >>>>>>

<PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote:> > >>>>>> > Respected members> >

>>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna

is> > >>>>>> present,can> > >>>>>> > it still give some luck to the

individual.I have found > this from a> > >>>>>> > chart.Can this jupiter

still bless the houses which it > aspects.> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >

Thanks> > >>>>>> > Pradeep> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >

>>>>>> >

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dear chandrashekharji,

 

yes, thank you. "avrohi" is what I meant. I keep thinking neecha

because of the word "fall" in my head. and many thanks for your

answer to my question.

 

rani.

 

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma"

<boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Rani,

> Neecha means debilitated. Perhaps you mean Avarohi Planet, the

planet who

> passes his place of exaltation and approaches debilitation.As

Mercury has

> passed his place of exaltation Virgo and approaching Pisces in

Sagitarius he

> would be called Avarohi.

> The strength of VRY would be less than if he is in pisces.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> raindancer_1998 [raindancer_1998]

> Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:30 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.

>

>

> dear Chandrashekharji,

>

> thank you for answering my question so wonderfully. This made it

> very clear. I have one other question though:

>

> does this mean that a "neecha" planet (or one in fall, like the

> mercury in sagittarius) would mean the same in a VRY as a

> debilitated planet (as in mercury in Pisces) in a dusthana? or

would

> there be degrees in the strength of the VRY?

>

> I am trying to understand whether I would treat the VRY

differently

> if the planet was in debilitation as opposed to being "neecha"

> or "fall".

>

> many thanks!

>

> rani.

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma"

> <boxdel> wrote:

> > Dear Rani,

> > VRY are of diferent strength, as the mane suggests the yoga

occurs

> as the results are reverse of what is likely applying normal

> rules.The reason, or if you prefer, logic behind the yoga is a

> dusthana lord harms the house in which he is posited. If in

another

> dusthana he spoils the results of the dusthana thus giving good

> results of that bhava. Now Debilitated malefic(even if functional

> here) is even greater malefic and hence destruction of bad

effects

> is also proportionately greater.So the VRY caused thus is much

more

> powerful than that caused by only the dusthana lord non

debilitated.

> > About fall, if one undersatnds tha antiquity of vedic jyotish,

it

> should be obvious that what we call yogas or tenets of other

systems

> of astrology have a base in Vedic Astrology only.The reason that

> they were thought to have come from other system is that in

ancient

> times the practice was to memorise shashtras rather than write it

> down.

> > Vedic astrology has given results of Aarohi and Avarohi

planest in

> details. This means planet approaching its exaltation and

> debilitation respectively.

> > The answer to both your question is yes.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > raindancer_1998

> > vedic astrology

> > Friday, July 11, 2003 9:56 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.

> >

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar, I just checked BPHS and it is still

> confusing

> > to me. would a planet need to be "debilitated" to have VRY or

> > whether just being a dusthana planet in the dusthana house

could

> > give rise to the yoga. also, would a planet in "fall", not

> > debilitation, be part of the yoga? or is "fall" solely a

western

> > concept (as it seems I haven't encountered this word in

jyotish

> at

> > all)?

> >

> > also, can you please tell me:

> >

> > 1) would mercury ruler of 3rd and 12th in 6th be VRY, and

> >

> > 2) would venus in virgo in 4th house opposite jupiter in

pisces

> in

> > 10th be NBRY?

> >

> > many thanks.

> >

> > rani.

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma

> > <boxdel> wrote:

> > > Dear Zoran,

> > > I think the confusion arises as I was refering to the

General

> > statement

> > > that 3rd lord debilitated in any house gives rise to

Rajyoga.

> You

> > are

> > > refering to Saturn occupying 2nd house, being lord of

> Capricorn

> > and thus

> > > AL being placed in 3rd. But here too Saturn would be 12th

from

> AL

> > and

> > > drain away what is earned by Jupiter in 11th from AL.

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Zoran Radosavljevic wrote:

> > >

> > > > Om Namo Narayanaya,

> > > > Dear Chandrakeshar,

> > > > THere is an explicit shloka in Parashara that Lagnesh

must

> be in

> > > > strength, while 3rd/6th and 8th lords are neecha. In

case I

> > mentioned,

> > > > if lagnesh

> > > > goes to 2nd, jupiter would be neech in 11th from Arudha

> Lagna,

> > great

> > > > finance indeed..

> > > > Best wishes

> > > > Zoran

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote:

> > > >

> > > >> Dear Zoran,

> > > >> I thought the discussion did not mention anything about

> Lagnesh

> > in

> > > >> strength, and was about Jupiter in Capricorn occupying

> Lagna.

> > Or was

> > > >> I wrong? Again for Capricorn, Jupiter is also lord of

the

> 12th.

> > > >> Chandrashekhar.

> > > >>

> > > >> Zoran Radosavljevic wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >>> Dear Chandrakeshar,

> > > >>> Ernst has given a very valid thinking, 3rd, 6th and 8th

> lords

> > in

> > > >>> debilitation while Lagnesh is well placed, gives Raja

Yoga

> > > >>> see Parashara. Further, Tasmin Ucha Neecha Ve

Shrimanath-

> > Jaimini,

> > > >>> so exalted and debilitated grahas are giver of wealth,

> > > >>> If Guru is in Capricorn Lagna while, Shani is in own

sign

> in

> > kumbha,

> > > >>> a great wealth may come

> > > >>> Best wishes

> > > >>> Zoran

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>>> Dear Mofie,

> > > >>>> mahapurusha yoga is given rise to in any of the

> Quadrants,

> > and not

> > > >>>> just 7th. The reason for Jupiter's good result in

> > debilitation is

> > > >>>> that Jupiter is said to harm the house that he is

placed

> in

> > (Sthana

> > > >>>> Bhrashta), in exaltation his strength increases.

Again he

> > aspects

> > > >>>> his exaltation sign when placed in debilitation,

leading

> to

> > > >>>> beneficial effects. As a matter of fact one learned

> Jyotishi,

> > Shri

> > > >>>> Katwe, was of the firm opinion that it is the

debilitated

> > planets

> > > >>>> that give rise to benefic yogas. Of course this is

not a

> > generally

> > > >>>> held opinion.

> > > >>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Mofie Augustine wrote:

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> Dear Guru's

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Yeah I too had read somewhere in list before that

for a

> > capri

> > > >>>>> lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is more

> > > >>>>> favourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th.

Why

> is

> > that

> > > >>>>> though Guru cause the famous Mahapurusha

> > > >>>>> Yoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru

deb.

> in

> > lagna??

> > > >>>>> Can anyone enlighten please?

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Thanks

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Mofie

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> onlyhari wrote:

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>> ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---

> > > >>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an

> > individual shall

> > > >>>>>> never be short of money or fulfillment of needs.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> The question is why?

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> regards

> > > >>>>>> Hari

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> vedic astrology , "Vijayadas,

> > Pradeep Kumar"

> > > >>>>>> <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote:

> > > >>>>>> > Respected members

> > > >>>>>> >

> > > >>>>>> > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in

> lagna is

> > > >>>>>> present,can

> > > >>>>>> > it still give some luck to the individual.I have

> found

> > this from a

> > > >>>>>> > chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses

which

> it

> > aspects.

> > > >>>>>> >

> > > >>>>>> > Thanks

> > > >>>>>> > Pradeep

> > > >>>>>> >

> > > >>>>>> >

> > > >>>>>> >

> > > >>>>>>

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