Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Dear List, i) Avoid wearing the Gem of the Lagna lord if its placed in - Marana Karaka Sthana, or Dusthana. The result of wearing such a gem will enhance the evil effects of the placement. Instead advise gem of the lord of exaltation sign. Mantra is more advisable here. ii) If the Lagna Lord is in own sign, but still in a Dusthana, wearing the gem will enhance the health but will also enhance the natives ability todo evil. One should advise the gem of the lord of exaltation sign. iii) Gem of 6th lord will enhance hatred towards the house 6th lord is in. Ill health will follow. Mitigative gem should be used (i.e. using weekday scheme or Kaalachakra). iv) Gem of 8th lord will enhance sorrow and ill health will follow in the sign 8th lord is in. Mitigative gem should be used (i.e. using weekday scheme or Kaalachakra). v) Gems for debilitated planets will render the planet useless, unless it is in a Kendra to Lagna, or causing Vipareet Raja Yoga. vi) Gems for wealth should be enunciated from Arudha Lagna. Wearing gems for grahas in 11th from AL will enhance wealth, no matter their state. All above points should be kept in mind as well. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Ramapriya, Rabindranath Tagore, had Gulika in Jupiters Nakshatra. Thats why he died during Jupiter Dasa. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Suitable Gems Dear Swee, May I add here that it isn't a set-in-stone principle that the lagna lord always protects. I've seen in both Bhavartha Ratnakara and Jataka Chandrika that any planet can become a maraka. The former work clearly states that, for Librans, Venus in asc proves to be a maraka. I've also read B V Raman state that this is proven in a number of cases; a notable case being that of Rabindranath Tagore who was killed by Jupiter, his asc lord. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Swee Chan vedic astrology Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:32 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Suitable Gems Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramapriya, The lagna lord always protects. Best wishes, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Hello Mr.Das, Your reply is profound and i appreciate your manner of explaining things.I agree totally with your view that a gemstone needs to be tested before use.Only the wearer can finally say what is good for him.However i would say that no fixed rules can be set while prescribing a gem.It is the totality of the horoscope which has to be judged.To say that gems relating to planets in a dusthana should not be worn is not a correct statement.Planets in dusthanas grant vipreetraj yogas.Gems relating to vipreet rajyogas have given a lot to people.Top spiritualists of the world have planets in 8th or 12th bhavas.In my opinion dusthanas are not totally bad.In fact going a step further i would say that all houses, like all signs have some good points and some bad points.After all houses are no different from signs.Therefore when all signs have some positve and negative traits,so are all houses bound to have.It is one's karma which culls out the good or bad out of the respective houses or signs.While coming to your conclusion, you are forgetting that properties are attributed to the planets by lordship and significations(karaktawa) and not occupation.It is the effects of a planet which are attributed to occupation.Effects,i am sure you will agree, are different from properties.Thus whether a planet is malefic or benefic is more related to its ownership rather than placement.You may also note that moon's karaktava improves on account of its placement in the 12th bhava,as said in a famous dictum in bhavarth ratnakara that a planet's karaktawa gets better in the 12th bhava.Besides you are totally ignoring the science of numerology when not agreeing to the pearl.That apart,i also do not agree to your statement that left is impure and right is pure.There is no logic to it.It is something similar to saying that women are impure--- that foolish--- considering one's mother impure.I believe that the total body is pure or impure depending upon your karma.There is a lot of interest generated on the topic.I have not found time to read all the posts.But i was looking for your reply and found it very nice.Disagreements are on principle only.Bye RK In vedic- astrology, Gauranga Das <gauranga@b...> wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Jyotisha, > > Namaste. > > > > Hi, The theory about not wearing gems of planets in a dusthana would > > definitely not apply to moon as it is routinely stated in all books > > of vedic astrology that the house in which moon is placed becomes > > like a lagna.It is mentioned in all leading astro books that a planet > > in the 12th behaves like as if it is imprisoned.Moon primarily > > represents mind. I therefore see no reason why it should not be > > strengthened,particularly when it is in bondage in view of its > > position in the 12th.In these circumstances i see no malefic effect > > whatsoever in wearing a pearl by this native.I would definitely like > > to know what specific malefic effect is being anticipated by Sh.Das > > in this case by wearing a pearl and why so.Incidentally i may mention > > here that both Cheiro and Linda Goodman who are leading international > > celebrities in the field do rcommend wearing a pearl by birth no.2 > > people.I would also love to know from the native whether he had any > > problems after he wore a pearl.As regards wearing of pearl in left > > hand,i have no problem with that since all books on vedic astrology > > recommend wearing a pearl in left hand only in all given > > circumstances.In fact leading western astrologers are of the opinion > > that it is sufficient if a gemstone merely touches the skin.The > > conclusions of western astrologers which are generally drawn after > > painstaking reseach can in no circumstances be considered to be > > devoid of logic.In thge end i may mention that for prescribing a gem > > it is the lordship of the planet which carries more weight than > > placement.Bye > > A few thoughts regarding pearls and Ashish's chart: > > Moon is a very gentle planet, so most of the poeple like ewaring pearls and > feel no problems with them. However in some cases you may feel constrained > or depressed after strengthening the Moon if it's badly placed, aspected or > associated. So the golden rule for any gems is to put on, wear for a few > months and see how you feel like. Then put down, see the difference. If it's > better wearing than not, then go ahead. The main point is that any gem will > have a very subtle influence on the personality and other featiures of the > native. I have seen people being completely changed while weraing geme,s > especially if there were 2/3 different (often times naturallt or temporally > conflicting) planets. As soon as the native put the gems down, he became his > real self. So watch out for these effects. > > Next thought: Chandra Lagna or shubha. True, the sign and Nakshatra ocuppied > by the Moon becomes auspicious, and can be treated like a Lagna for a mental > or emotional perspective of the chart. However Moon is sensitive, so you > should consider all influences on her before strengthening the sign she is > placed in. But in the case of Ashish, by wearing pokhraj, the Subhapati > Jupiter is strengthened, and a smoother effect could be reached in my > opinion. > > Next thought on left hand: There is a substantial differtence between the > right and left hands, both for males and females. The right hand is > considered to be more pure, so while offering things to Bhagavan in puja, or > eating Mahaprasad, or giving a donation, etc. the right hand is used. > Similarly, if wering gems which are naturally or functionally benefic for > the native, the pious effect gets increased. The left hand is considered to > be more contaminated, so if we touch anything impure, the left hand should > be preferred. Also, if we want to get rid of the malefic effect of a crtain > planet, by weaing the gem on the left hand, this purification will take > place. However here continuous wearing is usually not recommended. I woudl > prefer putting all malefic gems like Neelam, Gomed etc. on the left hand. > > Next thought on Moon's effect in Ashish's chart: Moon in Pisces is very > favourable for spirituality and renunciation, especially noting that > Subhapati is in 12th from it. She is vargottama, and strengthening her may > even be favourable for wealth (Sri Lagna conjoining). However Moon is > Atmakaraka, so we usually don't strengthen the Atmakaraka, but rather the > Ishta. Hanuman got a Ruby ring from Rama which he had to deliver to Sita > Devi. This ruby represented Sri Rama. Also, Moon in 12th is unfavourable for > mother's luck and longevity. Moon is in badhaka sthana from Mars (sthira > karaka for mother) so her longevity may also get hindered. So again I would > recommend wearing the gem for the ishta devata Jupiter. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > gauranga@b... > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Dear Visti, If in following points some contradictions occur then which point should get more preference over others. For ex if jupiter (Retro) is 11th from AL and is in its maran Karaksthan (i.e. in 3rd house and lord of lagna too)then will it advisable to wear its gem. Regards Parag --- Visti Larsen <vishnu wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > -- > > Dear List, > > i) Avoid wearing the Gem of the Lagna lord if its > placed in - Marana Karaka Sthana, or Dusthana. The > result of wearing such a gem will enhance the evil > effects of the placement. Instead advise gem of the > lord of exaltation sign. Mantra is more advisable > here. > > ii) If the Lagna Lord is in own sign, but still in a > Dusthana, wearing the gem will enhance the health > but will also enhance the natives ability todo evil. > One should advise the gem of the lord of exaltation > sign. > > iii) Gem of 6th lord will enhance hatred towards the > house 6th lord is in. Ill health will follow. > Mitigative gem should be used (i.e. using weekday > scheme or Kaalachakra). > > iv) Gem of 8th lord will enhance sorrow and ill > health will follow in the sign 8th lord is in. > Mitigative gem should be used (i.e. using weekday > scheme or Kaalachakra). > > v) Gems for debilitated planets will render the > planet useless, unless it is in a Kendra to Lagna, > or causing Vipareet Raja Yoga. > > vi) Gems for wealth should be enunciated from Arudha > Lagna. Wearing gems for grahas in 11th from AL will > enhance wealth, no matter their state. All above > points should be kept in mind as well. > > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Some people die for money. If Jupiter is in Kendra from Moon, advise a pearl and the money will come. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - parag dharmadhikari vedic astrology Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:46 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Suitable Gems Dear Visti,If in following points some contradictions occur thenwhich point should get more preference over others.For ex if jupiter (Retro) is 11th from AL and is inits maran Karaksthan (i.e. in 3rd house and lord oflagna too)then will it advisable to wear its gem.RegardsParag--- Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote:> Hare Rama Krishna> >--> > Dear List,> > i) Avoid wearing the Gem of the Lagna lord if its> placed in - Marana Karaka Sthana, or Dusthana. The> result of wearing such a gem will enhance the evil> effects of the placement. Instead advise gem of the> lord of exaltation sign. Mantra is more advisable> here.> > ii) If the Lagna Lord is in own sign, but still in a> Dusthana, wearing the gem will enhance the health> but will also enhance the natives ability todo evil.> One should advise the gem of the lord of exaltation> sign.> > iii) Gem of 6th lord will enhance hatred towards the> house 6th lord is in. Ill health will follow.> Mitigative gem should be used (i.e. using weekday> scheme or Kaalachakra).> > iv) Gem of 8th lord will enhance sorrow and ill> health will follow in the sign 8th lord is in.> Mitigative gem should be used (i.e. using weekday> scheme or Kaalachakra).> > v) Gems for debilitated planets will render the> planet useless, unless it is in a Kendra to Lagna,> or causing Vipareet Raja Yoga.> > vi) Gems for wealth should be enunciated from Arudha> Lagna. Wearing gems for grahas in 11th from AL will> enhance wealth, no matter their state. All above> points should be kept in mind as well.> > Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Dear Visti Ji, My questions in red. > i) Avoid wearing the Gem of the Lagna lord if its> placed in - Marana Karaka Sthana, or Dusthana. The> result of wearing such a gem will enhance the evil> effects of the placement. Instead advise gem of the> lord of exaltation sign. Mantra is more advisable> here.> The lagna lord mars in Marana Karaka Sthana.Saturn is the lord of exaltation sign and is in 8th(scorpio)and is not good for Aries Lagna,Would you still recommend Blue saphire and during what dasa period?> ii) If the Lagna Lord is in own sign, but still in a> Dusthana, wearing the gem will enhance the health> but will also enhance the natives ability to do evil.> One should advise the gem of the lord of exaltation> sign.> Mars as lagna lord in 8th in scorpio,Would you recommend Blue Saphire?> vi) Gems for wealth should be enunciated from Arudha> Lagna. Wearing gems for grahas in 11th from AL will> enhance wealth, no matter their state. All above> points should be kept in mind as well. What if the planets in 11 from AL are enemies of Lagna lord and are in Dusthana of natal house?With regards, Jameet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Jagmeet, Comments below. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - jagmeet dheendsa vedic astrology Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:06 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Suitable Gems Dear Visti Ji, My questions in red. > i) Avoid wearing the Gem of the Lagna lord if its> placed in - Marana Karaka Sthana, or Dusthana. The> result of wearing such a gem will enhance the evil> effects of the placement. Instead advise gem of the> lord of exaltation sign. Mantra is more advisable> here.> The lagna lord mars in Marana Karaka Sthana.Saturn is the lord of exaltation sign and is in 8th(scorpio)and is not good for Aries Lagna,Would you still recommend Blue saphire and during what dasa period? Visti: These rules aren't written in stone. We wear Ruby for a Mercury or Mars (as lagna lords) when in a weak position. > ii) If the Lagna Lord is in own sign, but still in a> Dusthana, wearing the gem will enhance the health> but will also enhance the natives ability to do evil.> One should advise the gem of the lord of exaltation> sign.> Mars as lagna lord in 8th in scorpio,Would you recommend Blue Saphire? Visti: Ruby.> vi) Gems for wealth should be enunciated from Arudha> Lagna. Wearing gems for grahas in 11th from AL will> enhance wealth, no matter their state. All above> points should be kept in mind as well. What if the planets in 11 from AL are enemies of Lagna lord and are in Dusthana of natal house? Visti: No here i must let u think. Gurudev has Arudha Lagna in 10th house and the 11th therefrom is the 8th... he gains from Astrology and Occult studies. With regards, JameetArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || Namaste Visti, WRT your point: > vi) Gems for wealth should be enunciated from Arudha Lagna. Wearing gems for grahas in 11th from AL will enhance wealth, no matter their state. What if the planets in 11 from AL are enemies of Lagna lord and are in Dusthana of natal house? Visti: No here i must let u think. Gurudev has Arudha Lagna in 10th house and the 11th therefrom is the 8th... he gains from Astrology and Occult studies. I have MA in 11th(SC - 2H) from AL(CP - 4H). My experience with Red Coral has been terrible - I tried it twice (I am not very sure but I think it was during MA Mahadasa). Am I missing something, Shailesh ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Hi, While on the subject of gems, I see that nobody has mentioned (not even Sanjay in VRA) that all the rules get reversed for southpaws. In the absence of a denial, I'll take my assumption to be okay. Wearing gems on the karmic hand looks kinda logical... Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 In order to prescribe a gem,i will need the entire horoscope,as also the date of birth.In ketu dsaha,the native is likely to suffer from piles and other diseaes of private parts;as also diseaes of the mind like great indecision and wavering thereof. RKvedic- astrology, Bhandari <bhandariuk> wrote: > Dear All > > How would this effect if Moon was in 8th house at 3.04 > degrees, Aries ascendant 18.59 degress with Ketu in > 8th at 28.49 degrees ? What would be the impact > especially in Ketu maha dasha ? > > Would appreciate some guidance. > > Regards > > Bhandari > > --- "R.K.Baqaya <rupkrishen@v...>" > <rupkrishen@v...> wrote: > > Hi, The theory about not wearing gems of planets in > > a dusthana would > > definitely not apply to moon as it is routinely > > stated in all books > > of vedic astrology that the house in which moon is > > placed becomes > > like a lagna.It is mentioned in all leading astro > > books that a planet > > in the 12th behaves like as if it is imprisoned.Moon > > primarily > > represents mind. I therefore see no reason why it > > should not be > > strengthened,particularly when it is in bondage in > > view of its > > position in the 12th.In these circumstances i see no > > malefic effect > > whatsoever in wearing a pearl by this native.I would > > definitely like > > to know what specific malefic effect is being > > anticipated by Sh.Das > > in this case by wearing a pearl and why > > so.Incidentally i may mention > > here that both Cheiro and Linda Goodman who are > > leading international > > celebrities in the field do rcommend wearing a pearl > > by birth no.2 > > people.I would also love to know from the native > > whether he had any > > problems after he wore a pearl.As regards wearing of > > pearl in left > > hand,i have no problem with that since all books on > > vedic astrology > > recommend wearing a pearl in left hand only in all > > given > > circumstances.In fact leading western astrologers > > are of the opinion > > that it is sufficient if a gemstone merely touches > > the skin.The > > conclusions of western astrologers which are > > generally drawn after > > painstaking reseach can in no circumstances be > > considered to be > > devoid of logic.In thge end i may mention that for > > prescribing a gem > > it is the lordship of the planet which carries more > > weight than > > placement.Bye RK--- In > > vedic astrology, Gauranga Das > > <gauranga@b...> wrote: > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > I would not recommend gems of planets in a > > dusthana, as the malefic > > effect > > > gets strengthened also unless you wear it no the > > left hand during > > the dasa > > > of the planet. Then the malefic effect decreases. > > I would recommend > > yellow > > > sapphire instead, or as substitutes yellow > > tourmaline or citrine. > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > > > gauranga@b... > > > Jyotish Remedies: > > > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > > > > > > > - > > > <rupkrishen@v...> > > > <vedic astrology> > > > Saturday, February 01, 2003 5:02 AM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems > > > > > > > > > > The most suitable gem for you is the pearl, > > since moon the 4th > > lord > > > > being adversely placed in the 12th,needs to be > > strengthened to > > give > > > > you peace of mind.This conclusion draws support > > from numerology > > > > too,where a pearl is prescribed for people with > > birth number 2. > > > > RK vedic astrology, > > ashish mishra > > > > <gituyahu> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > khudarte trisharte janani smaranti > > > > > > > > > > sir, > > > > > > > > > > i sent the a detailed chart for prescription > > of gems to wear to > > > > alleviate the problems a bit. but that chart > > was wrong . so im > > > > sending the RIGHT CHART again with hope to find > > the answer from > > you > > > > masters. Thanking you. > > > > > > > > > > ashish mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Details > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > These calculations were made using > > "Jagannatha Hora Lite". It > > is a > > > > > > > > > > free software from Sri Jagannath Vedic > > Centre. You can > > download it > > > > > > > > > > from http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz or > > http://www.sjvc.net. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth: October 2, 1974 > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth: 7:55:00 pm > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone of Birth: 5:30 East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of Birth: 83 E 58 > > > > > > > > > > Latitude of Birth: 21 N 27 > > > > > > > > > > Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada > > > > > > > > > > Lunar day (tithi): Krishna Dwitiya > > > > > > > > > > Tithi balance: 0.8814 > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra balance: 0.0810 > > > > > > > > > > Sun-Moon Yoga: Vyaghata > > > > > > > > > > Sun-Moon Karana: Taitula > > > > > > > > > > Vara (weekday): Wednesday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise = 5:45 am (Apparent rise - upper limb) > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa = 23-30-32 > > > > > > > > > > Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet Position Pada CharaK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascdt 27 Ar 23 Krittika 1 - > > > > > > > > > > Sun 15 Vi 29 Hastha 2 PiK > > > > > > > > > > Moon 28 Pi 55 Revathi 4 AK > > > > > > > > > > Mars 19 Vi 23 Hastha 3 BK > > > > > > > > > > Mercury 11 Li 09 Swathi 2 PK > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter ® 16 Aq 07 Satabhisham 3 MK > > > > > > > > > > Venus 6 Vi 28 U.Pha. 3 DK > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 24 Ge 37 Punarvasu 2 AmK > > > > > > > > > > Rahu 19 Sc 52 Jyeshtha 1 GK > > > > > > > > > > Ketu 19 Ta 52 Rohini 3 - > > > > > > > > > > BhavaLg 17 Ar 18 Bharani 2 - > > > > > > > > > > HoraLg 19 Sc 41 Jyeshtha 1 - > > > > > > > > > > GhatiLg 26 Le 52 U.Pha. 1 - > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > Regards > > Tony Bhandari > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. 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Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 It is common knowledge that benefics when weakened by their position in dusthanas need to be strengthened.I am not aware of any authority which backs your proposition. RKvedic- astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha, > > Dear Bhandari, > > Never recommend for planets in their marana sthanas. The following applies: > Sun in 12th > Moon in 8th > Mars and Mercury in 7th > Jupiter in 3rd > Venus in 6th > Saturn in 1st > > Hope this helps. > > Swee > swee@b... > > http://www.brihaspati.net/ <http://www.brihaspati.net/> > > > Bhandari [bhandariuk] > Monday, February 03, 2003 2:59 PM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems > > Dear All > > How would this effect if Moon was in 8th house at 3.04 > degrees, Aries ascendant 18.59 degress with Ketu in > 8th at 28.49 degrees ? What would be the impact > especially in Ketu maha dasha ? > > Would appreciate some guidance. > > Regards > > Bhandari > > --- "R.K.Baqaya <rupkrishen@v...>" > <rupkrishen@v...> wrote: > > Hi, The theory about not wearing gems of planets in > > a dusthana would > > definitely not apply to moon as it is routinely > > stated in all books > > of vedic astrology that the house in which moon is > > placed becomes > > like a lagna.It is mentioned in all leading astro > > books that a planet > > in the 12th behaves like as if it is imprisoned.Moon > > primarily > > represents mind. I therefore see no reason why it > > should not be > > strengthened,particularly when it is in bondage in > > view of its > > position in the 12th.In these circumstances i see no > > malefic effect > > whatsoever in wearing a pearl by this native.I would > > definitely like > > to know what specific malefic effect is being > > anticipated by Sh.Das > > in this case by wearing a pearl and why > > so.Incidentally i may mention > > here that both Cheiro and Linda Goodman who are > > leading international > > celebrities in the field do rcommend wearing a pearl > > by birth no.2 > > people.I would also love to know from the native > > whether he had any > > problems after he wore a pearl.As regards wearing of > > pearl in left > > hand,i have no problem with that since all books on > > vedic astrology > > recommend wearing a pearl in left hand only in all > > given > > circumstances.In fact leading western astrologers > > are of the opinion > > that it is sufficient if a gemstone merely touches > > the skin.The > > conclusions of western astrologers which are > > generally drawn after > > painstaking reseach can in no circumstances be > > considered to be > > devoid of logic.In thge end i may mention that for > > prescribing a gem > > it is the lordship of the planet which carries more > > weight than > > placement.Bye RK--- In > > vedic astrology, Gauranga Das > > <gauranga@b...> wrote: > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > I would not recommend gems of planets in a > > dusthana, as the malefic > > effect > > > gets strengthened also unless you wear it no the > > left hand during > > the dasa > > > of the planet. Then the malefic effect decreases. > > I would recommend > > yellow > > > sapphire instead, or as substitutes yellow > > tourmaline or citrine. > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > > > gauranga@b... > > > Jyotish Remedies: > > > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > > > > > > > - > > > <rupkrishen@v...> > > > <vedic astrology> > > > Saturday, February 01, 2003 5:02 AM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems > > > > > > > > > > The most suitable gem for you is the pearl, > > since moon the 4th > > lord > > > > being adversely placed in the 12th,needs to be > > strengthened to > > give > > > > you peace of mind.This conclusion draws support > > from numerology > > > > too,where a pearl is prescribed for people with > > birth number 2. > > > > RK vedic astrology, > > ashish mishra > > > > <gituyahu> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > khudarte trisharte janani smaranti > > > > > > > > > > sir, > > > > > > > > > > i sent the a detailed chart for prescription > > of gems to wear to > > > > alleviate the problems a bit. but that chart > > was wrong . so im > > > > sending the RIGHT CHART again with hope to find > > the answer from > > you > > > > masters. Thanking you. > > > > > > > > > > ashish mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Details > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > These calculations were made using > > "Jagannatha Hora Lite". It > > is a > > > > > > > > > > free software from Sri Jagannath Vedic > > Centre. You can > > download it > > > > > > > > > > from http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz or > > http://www.sjvc.net. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth: October 2, 1974 > > > > > > > > > > Time of Birth: 7:55:00 pm > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone of Birth: 5:30 East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of Birth: 83 E 58 > > > > > > > > > > Latitude of Birth: 21 N 27 > > > > > > > > > > Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada > > > > > > > > > > Lunar day (tithi): Krishna Dwitiya > > > > > > > > > > Tithi balance: 0.8814 > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra balance: 0.0810 > > > > > > > > > > Sun-Moon Yoga: Vyaghata > > > > > > > > > > Sun-Moon Karana: Taitula > > > > > > > > > > Vara (weekday): Wednesday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise = 5:45 am (Apparent rise - upper limb) > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa = 23-30-32 > > > > > > > > > > Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet Position Pada CharaK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascdt 27 Ar 23 Krittika 1 - > > > > > > > > > > Sun 15 Vi 29 Hastha 2 PiK > > > > > > > > > > Moon 28 Pi 55 Revathi 4 AK > > > > > > > > > > Mars 19 Vi 23 Hastha 3 BK > > > > > > > > > > Mercury 11 Li 09 Swathi 2 PK > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter ® 16 Aq 07 Satabhisham 3 MK > > > > > > > > > > Venus 6 Vi 28 U.Pha. 3 DK > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 24 Ge 37 Punarvasu 2 AmK > > > > > > > > > > Rahu 19 Sc 52 Jyeshtha 1 GK > > > > > > > > > > Ketu 19 Ta 52 Rohini 3 - > > > > > > > > > > BhavaLg 17 Ar 18 Bharani 2 - > > > > > > > > > > HoraLg 19 Sc 41 Jyeshtha 1 - > > > > > > > > > > GhatiLg 26 Le 52 U.Pha. 1 - > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > Regards > > Tony Bhandari > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. 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Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Shailesh, Mars is in Papakartari Yoga and is Marakesh - Worries, distress, disatisfaction, ill health. Infact you will always be unsatisfied with your gains. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Shailesh vedic astrology Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:39 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Suitable Gems || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || Namaste Visti, WRT your point: > vi) Gems for wealth should be enunciated from Arudha Lagna. Wearing gems for grahas in 11th from AL will enhance wealth, no matter their state. What if the planets in 11 from AL are enemies of Lagna lord and are in Dusthana of natal house? Visti: No here i must let u think. Gurudev has Arudha Lagna in 10th house and the 11th therefrom is the 8th... he gains from Astrology and Occult studies. I have MA in 11th(SC - 2H) from AL(CP - 4H). My experience with Red Coral has been terrible - I tried it twice (I am not very sure but I think it was during MA Mahadasa). Am I missing something, Shailesh ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 Om Gurave Namah Dear Ramapriya Tha Lagna lord, 8th lord and 10th lord if weak reduce longevity and act as maraka. So it is necessary to strengthen them through gemstones, mantra/upasana and good karma respectively. At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha, I remain, Sanjay Rath Mail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, India Tel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; Personal Web: http://srath.com - "Ramapriya D" <hubli <vedic astrology> Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:51 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Suitable Gems Dear Swee, May I add here that it isn't a set-in-stone principle that the lagna lord always protects. I've seen in both Bhavartha Ratnakara and Jataka Chandrika that any planet can become a maraka. The former work clearly states that, for Librans, Venus in asc proves to be a maraka. I've also read B V Raman state that this is proven in a number of cases; a notable case being that of Rabindranath Tagore who was killed by Jupiter, his asc lord. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli - Swee Chan vedic astrology Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:32 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Suitable Gems Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramapriya, The lagna lord always protects. Best wishes, Swee swee http://www.brihaspati.net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Rupkrishen, Namaste. > Hello Mr.Das, Your reply is profound and i appreciate your manner of > explaining things.I agree totally with your view that a gemstone > needs to be tested before use.Only the wearer can finally say what is > good for him.However i would say that no fixed rules can be set while > prescribing a gem.It is the totality of the horoscope which has to be > judged.To say that gems relating to planets in a dusthana should not I agree that totality should be judged, however we are supposed to use some guidelines when judging the totality of the chart. So dusthanas giving bad effect is also one of the rules. I agree that if the planet is giving Vipreet Rajyoga, then you can consider risking the malefic effects to get the benefic ones. Remember that Vipreer Rajyoga means that someone will lose out for you to win. So if you want to give another kick to the bad happening to the other person then you can try to wear a disthana gem. On the general I think we should first consider thoroughly what are the different roles played by a certain planet in a chart, and als consider what Sarajit explained on AK: gems will mostly have an effect on the body and the mind, and karma as well, but the soul is another cup of tea. > be worn is not a correct statement.Planets in dusthanas grant > vipreetraj yogas.Gems relating to vipreet rajyogas have given a lot > to people.Top spiritualists of the world have planets in 8th or 12th > bhavas.In my opinion dusthanas are not totally bad.In fact going a > step further i would say that all houses, like all signs have some > good points and some bad points.After all houses are no different > from signs.Therefore when all signs have some positve and negative > traits,so are all houses bound to have.It is one's karma which culls > out the good or bad out of the respective houses or signs. Agree, and also every planet will have some percentage of good and bad effects (see vimsopaka bala for judgement). However my concern was that if the planet is giving not only benefic effects (which is usually the case), then you should consider and decide what risk you would like to take. I'm wearing my lagnesh's stone Ruby which mostly has benefic effects on the 5th house and the 9th also in my chart. However Sun being a natural malefic may still cause some tension in my life. So one has to judge accordingly. While > coming to your conclusion, you are forgetting that properties are > attributed to the planets by lordship and significations(karaktawa) > and not occupation.It is the effects of a planet which are attributed > to occupation.Effects,i am sure you will agree, are different from > properties.Thus whether a planet is malefic or benefic is more > related to its ownership rather than placement. Natural properties and functional properties are different as we have discussed earlier. However you should note that benefic/malefic qualities related to owbnership always depend on what is the strating point we take. Lagna, or Moon, or AL, or what not? So it's multidimensional. You may also note that > moon's karaktava improves on account of its placement in the 12th > bhava,as said in a famous dictum in bhavarth ratnakara that a > planet's karaktawa gets better in the 12th bhava. I have not studied Bhavartha Ratnakara yet, as I don't have a copy of it yet. But I'm interested to study it. Besides you are > totally ignoring the science of numerology when not agreeing to the > pearl.That apart,i also do not agree to your statement that left is > impure and right is pure.There is no logic to it.It is something > similar to saying that women are impure--- that foolish--- > considering one's mother impure.I believe that the total body is pure > or impure depending upon your karma. You are coming from India I guess. No cultured man in India (in fact, in the whole Far East) would use his left hand while eating or use his right hand while touching his private parts. You may conclude that the mouth and anus are equally pure, still some distinction is made. Shatstra should be studied in this regard, as Vedic tradition means not just knowledge but culutre as well. Unfortunately even Indians nowadays torn their face to the west and as a result lose their finer culture. Western people don't distinguish between the two hands, and do whatever nonsense with both. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 There is a lot of interest > generated on the topic.I have not found time to read all the > posts.But i was looking for your reply and found it very > nice.Disagreements are on principle only.Bye RK In vedic- > astrology, Gauranga Das <gauranga@b...> wrote: > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > > Dear Jyotisha, > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > Hi, The theory about not wearing gems of planets in a dusthana > would > > > definitely not apply to moon as it is routinely stated in all > books > > > of vedic astrology that the house in which moon is placed becomes > > > like a lagna.It is mentioned in all leading astro books that a > planet > > > in the 12th behaves like as if it is imprisoned.Moon primarily > > > represents mind. I therefore see no reason why it should not be > > > strengthened,particularly when it is in bondage in view of its > > > position in the 12th.In these circumstances i see no malefic > effect > > > whatsoever in wearing a pearl by this native.I would definitely > like > > > to know what specific malefic effect is being anticipated by > Sh.Das > > > in this case by wearing a pearl and why so.Incidentally i may > mention > > > here that both Cheiro and Linda Goodman who are leading > international > > > celebrities in the field do rcommend wearing a pearl by birth no.2 > > > people.I would also love to know from the native whether he had > any > > > problems after he wore a pearl.As regards wearing of pearl in left > > > hand,i have no problem with that since all books on vedic > astrology > > > recommend wearing a pearl in left hand only in all given > > > circumstances.In fact leading western astrologers are of the > opinion > > > that it is sufficient if a gemstone merely touches the skin.The > > > conclusions of western astrologers which are generally drawn after > > > painstaking reseach can in no circumstances be considered to be > > > devoid of logic.In thge end i may mention that for prescribing a > gem > > > it is the lordship of the planet which carries more weight than > > > placement.Bye > > > > A few thoughts regarding pearls and Ashish's chart: > > > > Moon is a very gentle planet, so most of the poeple like ewaring > pearls and > > feel no problems with them. However in some cases you may feel > constrained > > or depressed after strengthening the Moon if it's badly placed, > aspected or > > associated. So the golden rule for any gems is to put on, wear for > a few > > months and see how you feel like. Then put down, see the > difference. If it's > > better wearing than not, then go ahead. The main point is that any > gem will > > have a very subtle influence on the personality and other featiures > of the > > native. I have seen people being completely changed while weraing > geme,s > > especially if there were 2/3 different (often times naturallt or > temporally > > conflicting) planets. As soon as the native put the gems down, he > became his > > real self. So watch out for these effects. > > > > Next thought: Chandra Lagna or shubha. True, the sign and Nakshatra > ocuppied > > by the Moon becomes auspicious, and can be treated like a Lagna for > a mental > > or emotional perspective of the chart. However Moon is sensitive, > so you > > should consider all influences on her before strengthening the sign > she is > > placed in. But in the case of Ashish, by wearing pokhraj, the > Subhapati > > Jupiter is strengthened, and a smoother effect could be reached in > my > > opinion. > > > > Next thought on left hand: There is a substantial differtence > between the > > right and left hands, both for males and females. The right hand is > > considered to be more pure, so while offering things to Bhagavan in > puja, or > > eating Mahaprasad, or giving a donation, etc. the right hand is > used. > > Similarly, if wering gems which are naturally or functionally > benefic for > > the native, the pious effect gets increased. The left hand is > considered to > > be more contaminated, so if we touch anything impure, the left hand > should > > be preferred. Also, if we want to get rid of the malefic effect of > a crtain > > planet, by weaing the gem on the left hand, this purification will > take > > place. However here continuous wearing is usually not recommended. > I woudl > > prefer putting all malefic gems like Neelam, Gomed etc. on the left > hand. > > > > Next thought on Moon's effect in Ashish's chart: Moon in Pisces is > very > > favourable for spirituality and renunciation, especially noting that > > Subhapati is in 12th from it. She is vargottama, and strengthening > her may > > even be favourable for wealth (Sri Lagna conjoining). However Moon > is > > Atmakaraka, so we usually don't strengthen the Atmakaraka, but > rather the > > Ishta. Hanuman got a Ruby ring from Rama which he had to deliver to > Sita > > Devi. This ruby represented Sri Rama. Also, Moon in 12th is > unfavourable for > > mother's luck and longevity. Moon is in badhaka sthana from Mars > (sthira > > karaka for mother) so her longevity may also get hindered. So again > I would > > recommend wearing the gem for the ishta devata Jupiter. > > > > Yours, > > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > > gauranga@b... > > Jyotish Remedies: > > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || Namaste Visti, This does not fit - two points: 1. I have been told all too often that I am very easily satisfied - totally unlike <<Infact you will always be unsatisfied with your gains>>. And - that is a fact, 2. In this mail, you have mentioned Papakartari on MARS - the 11th from AL, whereas in your earleir mail your statement was totally unqualified << Wearing gems for grahas in 11th from AL will enhance wealth, no matter their state.>>. Thats why I feel that there has to be some point that we are overlooking !!! Best wishes, Shailesh - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:17 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Suitable Gems Hare Rama Krsna Dear Shailesh, Mars is in Papakartari Yoga and is Marakesh - Worries, distress, disatisfaction, ill health. Infact you will always be unsatisfied with your gains. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Shailesh vedic astrology Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:39 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Suitable Gems || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || Namaste Visti, WRT your point: > vi) Gems for wealth should be enunciated from Arudha Lagna. Wearing gems for grahas in 11th from AL will enhance wealth, no matter their state. What if the planets in 11 from AL are enemies of Lagna lord and are in Dusthana of natal house? Visti: No here i must let u think. Gurudev has Arudha Lagna in 10th house and the 11th therefrom is the 8th... he gains from Astrology and Occult studies. I have MA in 11th(SC - 2H) from AL(CP - 4H). My experience with Red Coral has been terrible - I tried it twice (I am not very sure but I think it was during MA Mahadasa). Am I missing something, Shailesh ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 Dear Ramapriya , I agree. Chandrashekhar. - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:16 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Suitable Gems Hi, While on the subject of gems, I see that nobody has mentioned (not even Sanjay in VRA) that all the rules get reversed for southpaws. In the absence of a denial, I'll take my assumption to be okay. Wearing gems on the karmic hand looks kinda logical... Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Jyotisha, The principle of wearing he gemstone in the Right hand or the left hand is based on whether you would like to increase or decrease the influence of the planet respectively. Now based on various conditions, you first decide, which planets, you wish to strenthen and which you would like to weaken. Generally, the gemstone, which is worn in the left hand is for only a temporary duration, mostly in the dasa of the planet, if you find that this planet is giving more trouble than one can tolerate. This will to some extent tone down the malefic influence as the planet will be weakened. One of my associate was wearing some stone of planets in the right hand for the planets which is giving him vipareeta rajayoga, being the 8th lord placed in the 12th with one more dusthana lord. The moment, I saw that, I said, why doesn't he just take the stone out from the finger or rather wear it into the left hand (just for a small period, to check the effect), that would at least take him out from unwanted debts and loans, besides giving some good Gain. He did that and the effect was felt pretty soon. Now the principle for VRY is that the dusthana lords contributing the VRY should be weak and that guy was strehthening them, making the VRY weak. Here is what Pt. Sanjay Rath says in VRA, while recommending the gemstones for different planets (look at the footnote 307) When the planet is a malefic for the horoscope, this gemstone is for temporary use during the Dasa-bhukti of the planet. In this column (11) the opposite gemstone/ balancing planetary gem has been suggested. If instead a gem is to be worn for the main Dasa planet itself, then it should be worn in the left hand. For example, if Rahu is malefic then during its period a Yellow sapphire/topaz/citrine can be worn in the right hand ring finger or a Hessonite/Brown Tourmaline etc (See Col. 3& 13) can be worn in the left hand middle finger. Hope this is of some help Warm Regards Sarajit - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:55 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH Dear Imran ji, Till now I have not advised anybody to use any gem either good planets or malefic planets in left hand.The Lagna lord either a natural benefic or malefic,he is auspicious for the Lagna concerned and normally it always works .For planets in Dustanas or Dustana lords ,I suggest only remedial measures. I hope this helps. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Muhammad Imran <astroimran > wrote: Respected Rao jee, I am of your mind, that the ratna of lagnesh or karaka should wear on right hand, whatever thier natuaral tendency (either natural malefic or benefic). But I am too confronted an opinion as Gorangadas je told, that ratna in left hand may helpful in curtailing the evil effects of graha. What do you think, whether ratna of lords of dushtana bhavas (or functional malefics) can wear in left or not. Regards. Imran Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH Dear Gauranga ji, You have stated that the gems for malefic planets like Saturn and Rahu be worn in left hand and I disagree this.I am a Makara Lagna person with Makara Rasi with Lagna lord Shani ® in 9th house in Kanya Rasi and I stared wearing 3 carats of Dark Blue saphire from 1988 during my Guru dasa and after wearing in profession there was huge gains like promotions etc and especially it has improved my spiritualism.Also when Shani Dasa started in 1989 it started giving its valuable auspicious results and You may be surprised that Just before 5 days of Kuwait invasion by Iraq .I left on Vacation with my family to India and really Shani has saved me.During 1991 I got a Guru also who initiated me with Sri Bhuvaneshwari Mantra and after that By the Grace Of Her,I have not looked backward.So I don't understand why Blue Saphire has to be put in left hand.Anyhow I will not advise anybody who comes to me for astrological advise to wear Blue saphire in the left hand. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Gauranga Das <gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net> wrote: JAYA JAGANNATHA!Dear Jyotisha,Namaste.> Hi, The theory about not wearing gems of planets in a dusthana would> definitely not apply to moon as it is routinely stated in all books> of vedic astrology that the house in which moon is placed becomes> like a lagna.It is mentioned in all leading astro books that a planet> in the 12th behaves like as if it is imprisoned.Moon primarily> represents mind. I therefore see no reason why it should not be> strengthened,particularly when it is in bondage in view of its> position in the 12th.In these circumstances i see no malefic effect> whatsoever in wearing a pearl by this native.I would definitely like> to know what specific malefic effect is being anticipated by Sh.Das> in this case by wearing a pearl and why so.Incidentally i may mention> here that both Cheiro and Linda Goodman who are leading international> celebrities in the field do rcommend wearing a pearl by birth no.2> people.I would also love to know from the native whether he had any> problems after he wore a pearl.As regards wearing of pearl in left> hand,i have no problem with that since all books on vedic astrology> recommend wearing a pearl in left hand only in all given> circumstances.In fact leading western astrologers are of the opinion> that it is sufficient if a gemstone merely touches the skin.The> conclusions of western astrologers which are generally drawn after> painstaking reseach can in no circumstances be considered to be> devoid of logic.In thge end i may mention that for prescribing a gem> it is the lordship of the planet which carries more weight than> placement.ByeA few thoughts regarding pearls and Ashish's chart:Moon is a very gentle planet, so most of the poeple like ewaring pearls andfeel no problems with them. However in some cases you may feel constrainedor depressed after strengthening the Moon if it's badly placed, aspected orassociated. So the golden rule for any gems is to put on, wear for a fewmonths and see how you feel like. Then put down, see the difference. If it'sbetter wearing than not, then go ahead. The main point is that any gem willhave a very subtle influence on the personality and other featiures of thenative. I have seen people being completely changed while weraing geme,sespecially if there were 2/3 different (often times naturallt or temporallyconflicting) planets. As soon as the native put the gems down, he became hisreal self. So watch out for these effects.Next thought: Chandra Lagna or shubha. True, the sign and Nakshatra ocuppiedby the Moon becomes auspicious, and can be treated like a Lagna for a mentalor emotional perspective of the chart. However Moon is sensitive, so youshould consider all influences on her before strengthening the sign she isplaced in. But in the case of Ashish, by wearing pokhraj, the SubhapatiJupiter is strengthened, and a smoother effect could be reached in myopinion.Next thought on left hand: There is a substantial differtence between theright and left hands, both for males and females. The right hand isconsidered to be more pure, so while offering things to Bhagavan in puja, oreating Mahaprasad, or giving a donation, etc. the right hand is used.Similarly, if wering gems which are naturally or functionally benefic forthe native, the pious effect gets increased. The left hand is considered tobe more contaminated, so if we touch anything impure, the left hand shouldbe preferred. Also, if we want to get rid of the malefic effect of a crtainplanet, by weaing the gem on the left hand, this purification will takeplace. However here continuous wearing is usually not recommended. I woudlprefer putting all malefic gems like Neelam, Gomed etc. on the left hand.Next thought on Moon's effect in Ashish's chart: Moon in Pisces is veryfavourable for spirituality and renunciation, especially noting thatSubhapati is in 12th from it. She is vargottama, and strengthening her mayeven be favourable for wealth (Sri Lagna conjoining). However Moon isAtmakaraka, so we usually don't strengthen the Atmakaraka, but rather theIshta. Hanuman got a Ruby ring from Rama which he had to deliver to SitaDevi. This ruby represented Sri Rama. Also, Moon in 12th is unfavourable formother's luck and longevity. Moon is in badhaka sthana from Mars (sthirakaraka for mother) so her longevity may also get hindered. 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Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 Hi, I do not think that wearing gems of vipreet rajayogas means giving kick to another person.There is no logic in this statement.Yes,what you say may apply to gemotherapy as a whole.Some say that the moment you are wearing a gem,you are taking some more light from a planet than what was due to you and thus depriving another.This is worth a thought though.I agree about gems having effect on mind etc and soul being another cup of tea.Though there is some validity about your statement that benefic or malefic has to be determined from different starting points,the fact remains that lagna retains the pride of place-on account of it corresponding to the point of sunrise--the soul entering the body.Wearing a Ruby for Sun in your case can can give tension only if Sun is in a hot sign.See,for me astrology is more in the nature of perception of the properties of planets and the effect they cause in the different parts of the zodiac,rather than going by any set rules.You have mentioned about me being an Indian.Yes,i am,a proud Indian.But i don't believe that being an Indian has got anything to do with being illogical.When comparing mouth and anus,you are forgetting that anus removes the dirt which the mouth takes in.The role of the anus is equally important if not more than the mouth.The dirt or the impurity is in the thought and not in the part of the body.It is the thought which is impure/perverse/evil and not any part of the body.In fact the anus works hard and gives up.Mouth is only bhogha.If in this context you compare the signs taurus and scorpio,you will get the answer.In fact scorpio is much more spiritual.I consider myself lucky to be born a Hindu,because this great religion absorbs and encompasses everything.But it is not possible for me to agree to the irrationalities that seem to have been promoted by vested interests- over the years with a veiw to commerciallise religion. Belief in charismas and miracles---to the heights of absurdity is one such irrationality.See,how many---i think we have thousands of Gurus in India all teaching their own things,performing miracles and telling us to stop thinking.Faith in miracles has made us a lazy society and thus we have lagged behind as a nation inspite of a great religion and culture.As i therefore said i can't agree to your suggestion that left is impure. It appeals more to my logic that the whole body is pure or impure depending on your karma.You are referring to our culture.I know that in some parts of india women were considered impure (more so in menses).Can that ever have any justification.Women are more divine than men.They have the power of reproduction,which men don't have and are therefore as much divine.Men have more hair on their bodies,which makes them closer to animals.Then can anyone say that his mother is impure.As i said earlier,saying left is impure is like saying women are impure ----- that illogical.Bye RKIn vedic- astrology, Gauranga Das <gauranga@b...> wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Rupkrishen, > > Namaste. > > > Hello Mr.Das, Your reply is profound and i appreciate your manner of > > explaining things.I agree totally with your view that a gemstone > > needs to be tested before use.Only the wearer can finally say what is > > good for him.However i would say that no fixed rules can be set while > > prescribing a gem.It is the totality of the horoscope which has to be > > judged.To say that gems relating to planets in a dusthana should not > > I agree that totality should be judged, however we are supposed to use some > guidelines when judging the totality of the chart. So dusthanas giving bad > effect is also one of the rules. I agree that if the planet is giving > Vipreet Rajyoga, then you can consider risking the malefic effects to get > the benefic ones. Remember that Vipreer Rajyoga means that someone will lose > out for you to win. So if you want to give another kick to the bad happening > to the other person then you can try to wear a disthana gem. > > On the general I think we should first consider thoroughly what are the > different roles played by a certain planet in a chart, and als consider what > Sarajit explained on AK: gems will mostly have an effect on the body and the > mind, and karma as well, but the soul is another cup of tea. > > > be worn is not a correct statement.Planets in dusthanas grant > > vipreetraj yogas.Gems relating to vipreet rajyogas have given a lot > > to people.Top spiritualists of the world have planets in 8th or 12th > > bhavas.In my opinion dusthanas are not totally bad.In fact going a > > step further i would say that all houses, like all signs have some > > good points and some bad points.After all houses are no different > > from signs.Therefore when all signs have some positve and negative > > traits,so are all houses bound to have.It is one's karma which culls > > out the good or bad out of the respective houses or signs. > > Agree, and also every planet will have some percentage of good and bad > effects (see vimsopaka bala for judgement). However my concern was that if > the planet is giving not only benefic effects (which is usually the case), > then you should consider and decide what risk you would like to take. I'm > wearing my lagnesh's stone Ruby which mostly has benefic effects on the 5th > house and the 9th also in my chart. However Sun being a natural malefic may > still cause some tension in my life. So one has to judge accordingly. > > While > > coming to your conclusion, you are forgetting that properties are > > attributed to the planets by lordship and significations (karaktawa) > > and not occupation.It is the effects of a planet which are attributed > > to occupation.Effects,i am sure you will agree, are different from > > properties.Thus whether a planet is malefic or benefic is more > > related to its ownership rather than placement. > > Natural properties and functional properties are different as we have > discussed earlier. However you should note that benefic/malefic qualities > related to owbnership always depend on what is the strating point we take. > Lagna, or Moon, or AL, or what not? So it's multidimensional. > > > You may also note that > > moon's karaktava improves on account of its placement in the 12th > > bhava,as said in a famous dictum in bhavarth ratnakara that a > > planet's karaktawa gets better in the 12th bhava. > > I have not studied Bhavartha Ratnakara yet, as I don't have a copy of it > yet. But I'm interested to study it. > > Besides you are > > totally ignoring the science of numerology when not agreeing to the > > pearl.That apart,i also do not agree to your statement that left is > > impure and right is pure.There is no logic to it.It is something > > similar to saying that women are impure--- that foolish--- > > considering one's mother impure.I believe that the total body is pure > > or impure depending upon your karma. > > You are coming from India I guess. No cultured man in India (in fact, in the > whole Far East) would use his left hand while eating or use his right hand > while touching his private parts. You may conclude that the mouth and anus > are equally pure, still some distinction is made. Shatstra should be studied > in this regard, as Vedic tradition means not just knowledge but culutre as > well. Unfortunately even Indians nowadays torn their face to the west and as > a result lose their finer culture. Western people don't distinguish between > the two hands, and do whatever nonsense with both. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > gauranga@b... > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > There is a lot of interest > > generated on the topic.I have not found time to read all the > > posts.But i was looking for your reply and found it very > > nice.Disagreements are on principle only.Bye RK In vedic- > > astrology, Gauranga Das <gauranga@b...> wrote: > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > > > > Dear Jyotisha, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > Hi, The theory about not wearing gems of planets in a dusthana > > would > > > > definitely not apply to moon as it is routinely stated in all > > books > > > > of vedic astrology that the house in which moon is placed becomes > > > > like a lagna.It is mentioned in all leading astro books that a > > planet > > > > in the 12th behaves like as if it is imprisoned.Moon primarily > > > > represents mind. I therefore see no reason why it should not be > > > > strengthened,particularly when it is in bondage in view of its > > > > position in the 12th.In these circumstances i see no malefic > > effect > > > > whatsoever in wearing a pearl by this native.I would definitely > > like > > > > to know what specific malefic effect is being anticipated by > > Sh.Das > > > > in this case by wearing a pearl and why so.Incidentally i may > > mention > > > > here that both Cheiro and Linda Goodman who are leading > > international > > > > celebrities in the field do rcommend wearing a pearl by birth no.2 > > > > people.I would also love to know from the native whether he had > > any > > > > problems after he wore a pearl.As regards wearing of pearl in left > > > > hand,i have no problem with that since all books on vedic > > astrology > > > > recommend wearing a pearl in left hand only in all given > > > > circumstances.In fact leading western astrologers are of the > > opinion > > > > that it is sufficient if a gemstone merely touches the skin.The > > > > conclusions of western astrologers which are generally drawn after > > > > painstaking reseach can in no circumstances be considered to be > > > > devoid of logic.In thge end i may mention that for prescribing a > > gem > > > > it is the lordship of the planet which carries more weight than > > > > placement.Bye > > > > > > A few thoughts regarding pearls and Ashish's chart: > > > > > > Moon is a very gentle planet, so most of the poeple like ewaring > > pearls and > > > feel no problems with them. However in some cases you may feel > > constrained > > > or depressed after strengthening the Moon if it's badly placed, > > aspected or > > > associated. So the golden rule for any gems is to put on, wear for > > a few > > > months and see how you feel like. Then put down, see the > > difference. If it's > > > better wearing than not, then go ahead. The main point is that any > > gem will > > > have a very subtle influence on the personality and other featiures > > of the > > > native. I have seen people being completely changed while weraing > > geme,s > > > especially if there were 2/3 different (often times naturallt or > > temporally > > > conflicting) planets. As soon as the native put the gems down, he > > became his > > > real self. So watch out for these effects. > > > > > > Next thought: Chandra Lagna or shubha. True, the sign and Nakshatra > > ocuppied > > > by the Moon becomes auspicious, and can be treated like a Lagna for > > a mental > > > or emotional perspective of the chart. However Moon is sensitive, > > so you > > > should consider all influences on her before strengthening the sign > > she is > > > placed in. But in the case of Ashish, by wearing pokhraj, the > > Subhapati > > > Jupiter is strengthened, and a smoother effect could be reached in > > my > > > opinion. > > > > > > Next thought on left hand: There is a substantial differtence > > between the > > > right and left hands, both for males and females. The right hand is > > > considered to be more pure, so while offering things to Bhagavan in > > puja, or > > > eating Mahaprasad, or giving a donation, etc. the right hand is > > used. > > > Similarly, if wering gems which are naturally or functionally > > benefic for > > > the native, the pious effect gets increased. The left hand is > > considered to > > > be more contaminated, so if we touch anything impure, the left hand > > should > > > be preferred. Also, if we want to get rid of the malefic effect of > > a crtain > > > planet, by weaing the gem on the left hand, this purification will > > take > > > place. However here continuous wearing is usually not recommended. > > I woudl > > > prefer putting all malefic gems like Neelam, Gomed etc. on the left > > hand. > > > > > > Next thought on Moon's effect in Ashish's chart: Moon in Pisces is > > very > > > favourable for spirituality and renunciation, especially noting that > > > Subhapati is in 12th from it. She is vargottama, and strengthening > > her may > > > even be favourable for wealth (Sri Lagna conjoining). However Moon > > is > > > Atmakaraka, so we usually don't strengthen the Atmakaraka, but > > rather the > > > Ishta. Hanuman got a Ruby ring from Rama which he had to deliver to > > Sita > > > Devi. This ruby represented Sri Rama. Also, Moon in 12th is > > unfavourable for > > > mother's luck and longevity. Moon is in badhaka sthana from Mars > > (sthira > > > karaka for mother) so her longevity may also get hindered. So again > > I would > > > recommend wearing the gem for the ishta devata Jupiter. > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > > > gauranga@b... > > > Jyotish Remedies: > > > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Hi RK, Couldn't agree. I feel Indians, and indeed the rest of the world, have basically followed numbers. It's a fact that 97% of the world is right-handed, so most rules and products are made for them. I've no doubt at all that the genesis of all holiness associated with the right hand is just this. I've a sis-in-law, who's as natural a southpaw as you can get, and she does almost everything (nearly) including eating with her left hand. I can't fancy telling her she's being unholy If you noticed, Chandrashekhar, who's one of the more understated but not under-respected posters hereabouts, concurred with me that left is for the lefties what right is to most around them. Given the percentages, to flatly associate holiness with the right hand alone would be easy to posit, but not so easy to logically corroborate. Warm regards, Ram - <rupkrishen <vedic astrology> Friday, February 07, 2003 12:55 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems > Hi, I do not think that wearing gems of vipreet rajayogas means > giving kick to another person.There is no logic in this > statement.Yes,what you say may apply to gemotherapy as a whole.Some > say that the moment you are wearing a gem,you are taking some more > light from a planet than what was due to you and thus depriving > another.This is worth a thought though.I agree about gems having > effect on mind etc and soul being another cup of tea.Though there is > some validity about your statement that benefic or malefic has to be > determined from different starting points,the fact remains that lagna > retains the pride of place-on account of it corresponding to the > point of sunrise--the soul entering the body.Wearing a Ruby for Sun > in your case can can give tension only if Sun is in a hot > sign.See,for me astrology is more in the nature of perception of the > properties of planets and the effect they cause in the different > parts of the zodiac,rather than going by any set rules.You have > mentioned about me being an Indian.Yes,i am,a proud Indian.But i > don't believe that being an Indian has got anything to do with being > illogical.When comparing mouth and anus,you are forgetting that anus > removes the dirt which the mouth takes in.The role of the anus is > equally important if not more than the mouth.The dirt or the impurity > is in the thought and not in the part of the body.It is the thought > which is impure/perverse/evil and not any part of the body.In fact > the anus works hard and gives up.Mouth is only bhogha.If in this > context you compare the signs taurus and scorpio,you will get the > answer.In fact scorpio is much more spiritual.I consider myself lucky > to be born a Hindu,because this great religion absorbs and > encompasses everything.But it is not possible for me to agree to the > irrationalities that seem to have been promoted by vested interests- > over the years with a veiw to commerciallise religion. Belief in > charismas and miracles---to the heights of absurdity is one such > irrationality.See,how many---i think we have thousands of Gurus in > India all teaching their own things,performing miracles and telling > us to stop thinking.Faith in miracles has made us a lazy society and > thus we have lagged behind as a nation inspite of a great religion > and culture.As i therefore said i can't agree to your suggestion > that left is impure. It appeals more to my logic that the whole body > is pure or impure depending on your karma.You are referring to our > culture.I know that in some parts of india women were considered > impure (more so in menses).Can that ever have any justification.Women > are more divine than men.They have the power of reproduction,which > men don't have and are therefore as much divine.Men have more hair on > their bodies,which makes them closer to animals.Then can anyone say > that his mother is impure.As i said earlier,saying left is impure is > like saying women are impure ----- that illogical.Bye RK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Om Gurave Namah Dear Ramapriya Right hand is ruled by Jupiter and left hand by Venus. See the dhyana for Sukracharya & Brihaspati in VRA and the hands to be used for making offering. The entire dasmahavidya is nothing but left handed worship whereas the dasavatar pooja is right handed worship. The natural favor is seen in the way a person sits in Sukhasana. If the person sits with the left leg down then he has stronger Jupiter and 'para loka sukha' while if the person sits with right leg down, then he favours the left hand and 'iha loka sukha'. There are so many such small things. At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha, I remain, Sanjay Rath Mail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, India Tel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; Personal Web: http://srath.com - "Ramapriya D" <hubli <vedic astrology> Friday, February 07, 2003 1:32 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Suitable Gems > Hi RK, > > Couldn't agree. I feel Indians, and indeed the rest of the world, have > basically followed numbers. It's a fact that 97% of the world is > right-handed, so most rules and products are made for them. I've no doubt at > all that the genesis of all holiness associated with the right hand is just > this. I've a sis-in-law, who's as natural a southpaw as you can get, and she > does almost everything (nearly) including eating with her left hand. I can't > fancy telling her she's being unholy > > If you noticed, Chandrashekhar, who's one of the more understated but not > under-respected posters hereabouts, concurred with me that left is for the > lefties what right is to most around them. Given the percentages, to flatly > associate holiness with the right hand alone would be easy to posit, but not > so easy to logically corroborate. > > Warm regards, > > Ram > > - > <rupkrishen > <vedic astrology> > Friday, February 07, 2003 12:55 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems > > > > Hi, I do not think that wearing gems of vipreet rajayogas means > > giving kick to another person.There is no logic in this > > statement.Yes,what you say may apply to gemotherapy as a whole.Some > > say that the moment you are wearing a gem,you are taking some more > > light from a planet than what was due to you and thus depriving > > another.This is worth a thought though.I agree about gems having > > effect on mind etc and soul being another cup of tea.Though there is > > some validity about your statement that benefic or malefic has to be > > determined from different starting points,the fact remains that lagna > > retains the pride of place-on account of it corresponding to the > > point of sunrise--the soul entering the body.Wearing a Ruby for Sun > > in your case can can give tension only if Sun is in a hot > > sign.See,for me astrology is more in the nature of perception of the > > properties of planets and the effect they cause in the different > > parts of the zodiac,rather than going by any set rules.You have > > mentioned about me being an Indian.Yes,i am,a proud Indian.But i > > don't believe that being an Indian has got anything to do with being > > illogical.When comparing mouth and anus,you are forgetting that anus > > removes the dirt which the mouth takes in.The role of the anus is > > equally important if not more than the mouth.The dirt or the impurity > > is in the thought and not in the part of the body.It is the thought > > which is impure/perverse/evil and not any part of the body.In fact > > the anus works hard and gives up.Mouth is only bhogha.If in this > > context you compare the signs taurus and scorpio,you will get the > > answer.In fact scorpio is much more spiritual.I consider myself lucky > > to be born a Hindu,because this great religion absorbs and > > encompasses everything.But it is not possible for me to agree to the > > irrationalities that seem to have been promoted by vested interests- > > over the years with a veiw to commerciallise religion. Belief in > > charismas and miracles---to the heights of absurdity is one such > > irrationality.See,how many---i think we have thousands of Gurus in > > India all teaching their own things,performing miracles and telling > > us to stop thinking.Faith in miracles has made us a lazy society and > > thus we have lagged behind as a nation inspite of a great religion > > and culture.As i therefore said i can't agree to your suggestion > > that left is impure. It appeals more to my logic that the whole body > > is pure or impure depending on your karma.You are referring to our > > culture.I know that in some parts of india women were considered > > impure (more so in menses).Can that ever have any justification.Women > > are more divine than men.They have the power of reproduction,which > > men don't have and are therefore as much divine.Men have more hair on > > their bodies,which makes them closer to animals.Then can anyone say > > that his mother is impure.As i said earlier,saying left is impure is > > like saying women are impure ----- that illogical.Bye RK > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2003 Report Share Posted February 8, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Ramapriya, Namaste One is supposed to chant the Gayatri Mantra with the upavita (brahmana thread) wrapped around his right hand. Even if he is a southpaw. Also every brahmin wears the upavita hanging down from his left shoulder to the right side. No opposites. Please see the divison of Horas. Sun-hora is for Devatas, while Moon-hora is for Pitris. So only pitri-homa is done with the upavita put on the other way around. Therefore this should be followed universally, no matter one is a southpaw or not. Therefore my conclusion is that for wearing gems we should also follow the same system regardless of the below factor. Vidhi (rules and regulations) are manifested by Lord Vishnu through Brahma (this is also one of his names). So even if it seems illogical, we should respect them and by humbe enquiry you might be able to understand it. Also for touching water or acamaniyam (like if one wants to chant a mantra) or for anga-nyasa and kara-nyasa always the right hand is used. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - "Ramapriya D" <hubli <vedic astrology> Friday, February 07, 2003 9:02 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Suitable Gems > Hi RK, > > Couldn't agree. I feel Indians, and indeed the rest of the world, have > basically followed numbers. It's a fact that 97% of the world is > right-handed, so most rules and products are made for them. I've no doubt at > all that the genesis of all holiness associated with the right hand is just > this. I've a sis-in-law, who's as natural a southpaw as you can get, and she > does almost everything (nearly) including eating with her left hand. I can't > fancy telling her she's being unholy > > If you noticed, Chandrashekhar, who's one of the more understated but not > under-respected posters hereabouts, concurred with me that left is for the > lefties what right is to most around them. Given the percentages, to flatly > associate holiness with the right hand alone would be easy to posit, but not > so easy to logically corroborate. > > Warm regards, > > Ram > > - > <rupkrishen > <vedic astrology> > Friday, February 07, 2003 12:55 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems > > > > Hi, I do not think that wearing gems of vipreet rajayogas means > > giving kick to another person.There is no logic in this > > statement.Yes,what you say may apply to gemotherapy as a whole.Some > > say that the moment you are wearing a gem,you are taking some more > > light from a planet than what was due to you and thus depriving > > another.This is worth a thought though.I agree about gems having > > effect on mind etc and soul being another cup of tea.Though there is > > some validity about your statement that benefic or malefic has to be > > determined from different starting points,the fact remains that lagna > > retains the pride of place-on account of it corresponding to the > > point of sunrise--the soul entering the body.Wearing a Ruby for Sun > > in your case can can give tension only if Sun is in a hot > > sign.See,for me astrology is more in the nature of perception of the > > properties of planets and the effect they cause in the different > > parts of the zodiac,rather than going by any set rules.You have > > mentioned about me being an Indian.Yes,i am,a proud Indian.But i > > don't believe that being an Indian has got anything to do with being > > illogical.When comparing mouth and anus,you are forgetting that anus > > removes the dirt which the mouth takes in.The role of the anus is > > equally important if not more than the mouth.The dirt or the impurity > > is in the thought and not in the part of the body.It is the thought > > which is impure/perverse/evil and not any part of the body.In fact > > the anus works hard and gives up.Mouth is only bhogha.If in this > > context you compare the signs taurus and scorpio,you will get the > > answer.In fact scorpio is much more spiritual.I consider myself lucky > > to be born a Hindu,because this great religion absorbs and > > encompasses everything.But it is not possible for me to agree to the > > irrationalities that seem to have been promoted by vested interests- > > over the years with a veiw to commerciallise religion. Belief in > > charismas and miracles---to the heights of absurdity is one such > > irrationality.See,how many---i think we have thousands of Gurus in > > India all teaching their own things,performing miracles and telling > > us to stop thinking.Faith in miracles has made us a lazy society and > > thus we have lagged behind as a nation inspite of a great religion > > and culture.As i therefore said i can't agree to your suggestion > > that left is impure. It appeals more to my logic that the whole body > > is pure or impure depending on your karma.You are referring to our > > culture.I know that in some parts of india women were considered > > impure (more so in menses).Can that ever have any justification.Women > > are more divine than men.They have the power of reproduction,which > > men don't have and are therefore as much divine.Men have more hair on > > their bodies,which makes them closer to animals.Then can anyone say > > that his mother is impure.As i said earlier,saying left is impure is > > like saying women are impure ----- that illogical.Bye RK > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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