Retro Lagana Lord.

Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:23 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Mr Rao,

The problems could be because of moon and not just lagna lord jupiter. Lagna

lord jupiter is afflicted with the 8th lord. Ofcourse, the entire chart is

always better for particulars.

Regds

Hari

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tvrao_agd

Monday, November 11, 2002 6:15 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

i fully agree with mr. sunit mehta. even i am facing the same problem incase of

lagna lord's dasa.mine is sagittarius lagna and lagna lord jupiter is in ninth

house withmoon. since the lagna lord dasa i am having tremendous problems and

as ontoday, i have lot of trouble in day to day considerations.t. v. rao-----

Original Message -----"hmm" <studd2hott >To:

<vedic astrology>Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02

PM[vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> Dear Katti,> Your

inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true. In> my case Rahu

becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things have> been adverse, rahu is

in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like bhukti> has been checked and I have

heard others tell me to about lord not> bein g benefic always...one

suggestion..before posting a message with> confidence ask yourself.....am I

100% right.....is it from my> experience in reading charts.....Brother Visti

and I have talked about> lagna lord too.> Om namah shivaya,> Sunit Mehta>> ---

In vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"> <kattinarahari@h...>

wrote:> > Om Gurave Namah> >> >>

-->

>> > Dear Praveen,> >> > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows

something else> like denial of fruits.> >> > Regds> >> > Hari> > -----

Original Message -----> > Praveen Kumar> > vedic astrology>

> Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM> > Re:

[vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.> >> >> > Dear Kanupriya,> > First see

whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. If> benefic, it would take

away the beneficence and would give the person> concerned a stout body.> >> >

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If you see transit retro Sa is aspecting natal dasha lord Ju very closely right

now.Also Su is debilitated and Ma is return all in transit.You are feeling the

loss of zest in life.

Totally the sub of Mer cury next summer should definitely turn things for the

better. It is the 10th lord very well placed.The upcoming Ju transits are also

favorable.The pratyantar of Ju in march should get the wheels rolling.

Hope you feel better.

Thanks.....hanna

November 12, 2002

Dear Ishwar,

Nice comment on lagna and lord and it being satya peetha. I learnt a

lot. Brother Visti too confirmed with me.

God bless you,

Sunit Mehta

vedic astrology, "avikrishna" <avikrishna> wrote:

> Dear sunit:

>

> Generally in charts lagna is the first house and all other houses are

> referenced from there. It is not common practice to have two

> references in same chart i.e one from lagna and another from aries

> and also confusing.

>

> Generally speaking lagna lord cannot be a malefic (It is also the

> opinion of the gurus)

>

> It should always be a benefic as lagna is the satya peetha, the true

> self. The benefic and malefic interpretation could also be relative,

> could be illusory. what happens as good may not be perceived as good.

> Again to interpret the malefic of benefic aspect depend to be seen

> from the chart

>

> Ishwar

>

> vedic astrology, "hmm" <studd2hott> wrote:

> > Dear Hari,

> > I meant the generic signs. Dont all the charts have aries as the

> first

> > house in the zodiac, 8th from it is the 8th house which is scorpio

> > though the natural sign is virgo in it. I meant Rahu in the 8th

> house

> > for aquarius lagna if Rahu is stronger and becomes Lord.

> > regards,

> > Sunit

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"

> > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote:

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > --

> ------------

> > >

> > > Dear Sunit,

> > >

> > > What's the logic in taking the starting point from Aries? i have

> > been taught lagna is the first house!

> > >

> > > Regds

> > >

> > > Hari

> > > -

> > > hmm

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:53 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> > >

> > > Dear Nimmi and the rest,

> > > Correction....I meant the 8th house which is scorpio if we take

> aries

> > > as 1st. Sorry about that and thank u for pointing it out.

> > > Sunit Mehta

> > > vedic astrology, "hmm" <studd2hott> wrote:

> > > > Dear Nimmi,

> > > > It is exactly what I mean.....lagna lord rahu in scorpio in

> 8th.

> > > > obviously for aquarian ascendant.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Sunit Mehta

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Nimmi Ragavan"

> <106350.3660@c...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > Hi

> > > > >

> > > > > How can lagna lord Rahu be in Scorpio in the 8th? Rahu can

> only be

> > > lagna

> > > > > lord for Aquarius lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers,

> > > > >

> > > > > Nimmi

> > > > > -

> > > > > "hmm" <studd2hott>

> > > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > > Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:05 AM

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Hari,

> > > > > > My comment on being 100% right when posting a message was

> > related to

> > > > > > the fact that it is a very vague thing to say that lagna

> > lord is

> > > > > > always benefic...do me a favor...look into charts who's

> > lagna lord

> > > > > > falls in 8th and tell me that it has been good for them.

> If

> > u happen

> > > > > > to cross 1/10 I will change my opinion. No offense to be

> > > taken..its an

> > > > > > experiment. Malefic lagna lords cause more adversity

> during

> > > their dasa

> > > > > > as compared to benefics. I believe the lagna lord will

> protect

> > > > > > you..and I will keep it at that. If you give me one case

> in

> > which

> > > > > > lagna lord Rahu in scorpio in 8th has been benefic I will

> > start to

> > > > > > think harder about your statement...once again..no

> offense to be

> > > taken

> > > > > > Hari..we are all learning.

> > > > > > God Bless us all,

> > > > > > Sunit Mehta

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"

> > > > > > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > --

> ------

> > > > > ------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr Rao,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The problems could be because of moon and not just

> lagna lord

> > > > > > jupiter. Lagna lord jupiter is afflicted with the 8th

> lord.

> > > Ofcourse,

> > > > > > the entire chart is always better for particulars.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hari

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > tvrao_agd

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > Monday, November 11, 2002 6:15 PM

> > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i fully agree with mr. sunit mehta. even i am facing

> the

> > same

> > > > > > problem in

> > > > > > > case of lagna lord's dasa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > mine is sagittarius lagna and lagna lord jupiter is

> in ninth

> > > house

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > moon. since the lagna lord dasa i am having tremendous

> > problems

> > > > > > and as on

> > > > > > > today, i have lot of trouble in day to day

> considerations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > t. v. rao

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > "hmm" <studd2hott>

> > > > > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > > > > Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM

> > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Katti,

> > > > > > > > Your inference of the lagna lord being always

> benefic

> > is not

> > > > > > true. In

> > > > > > > > my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its

> mahadasa

> > > things

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > been adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the

> factors

> > > like

> > > > > > bhukti

> > > > > > > > has been checked and I have heard others tell me to

> about

> > > > lord not

> > > > > > > > bein g benefic always...one suggestion..before

> posting a

> > > message

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > confidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is

> it

> > from my

> > > > > > > > experience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and

> I have

> > > talked

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > lagna lord too.

> > > > > > > > Om namah shivaya,

> > > > > > > > Sunit Mehta

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari

> (Aditya)"

> > > > > > > > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > --

> ------

> > > > > > > ------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Praveen,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression

> shows

> > > > > > something else

> > > > > > > > like denial of fruits.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hari

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > Praveen Kumar

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana

> Lord.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Kanupriya,

> > > > > > > > > First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural

> benefic or

> > > > malefic. If

> > > > > > > > benefic, it would take away the beneficence and

> would

> > give the

> > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > concerned a stout body.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Praveen Kumar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic-

> astrology

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Group info:

> > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html

> > > > > > > > >

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November 13, 2002

dear mr. hanna,

thank you for your reading. but, i have my own doubts about my living till that

time considering my present troubles and mental status.

t. v. rao

-

Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:59 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Mr Rao.it has been a combination of Sub period of Sa and its transits afflicting

the Ve 11th lord of gains.Pratyantar of Ra does not help much either.If you see

transit retro Sa is aspecting natal dasha lord Ju very closely right now.Also

Su is debilitated and Ma is return all in transit.You are feeling the loss of

zest in life.Totally the sub of Mer cury next summer should definitely turn

things for the better. It is the 10th lord very well placed.The upcoming Ju

transits are also favorable.The pratyantar of Ju in march should get the wheels

rolling.Hope you feel better.Thanks.....hanna Archives:

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Hanna

November 13, 2002

With due respect,I fail to understand the difference between Dosha and

affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other an english word.

Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates

what I mean under heading Benefics and Malefics for each Lagna.He designates

Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini

and Virgo. If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is

kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter and Venus

are more and more malefic in that order.

If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you

will find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas of

the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are also shubha

grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord is also

lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if

I am wrong in my source about kendradhipati Doshas.

By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.

-

Visti Larsen

Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but is a dosha for lack of results.

This means that the native works, but theres no energy for the creative part of

the results.. no real ailments.

So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for

planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the dosha is removed.

This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about.

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

-

Chandrashekhar

Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Dear friends,

Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when

it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati?

Chandrashekhar.

-

j.k. dasgupta

Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

dear sunit,

i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion and continue the process

of learning..so question of being 100% right does not come at all.

however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord always protects..the way may

differ, not neccessary that it will only pamper us. i would request you to post

your birth details and your analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from

it.

regards

dasgupta

-

Katti Narahari (Aditya)

Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Sunit,

Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I can be only confident when

I post and learn in the process. This is what Sanjay guru and my guru have

taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that is the reality. If you are 100% right,

blessed are u!.

I can only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and

hence I gain... if I am right I still gain.

If all people in this esteemed list start posting only if they are confident,

then I don't think anyone will learn.

As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was thinking of benefics and malefics

categorization in a chart. An inherently bad person can also do good just as a

good person by default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional

benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions to lagna

lord is a different matter as is retrogression.

Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with you too! I hope.

Regds

Hari

-

hmm

Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Dear Katti,Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true.

Inmy case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things havebeen

adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like bhuktihas been

checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord notbein g benefic

always...one suggestion..before posting a message withconfidence ask

yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from myexperience in reading

charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked aboutlagna lord too.Om namah

shivaya,Sunit Mehtavedic astrology, "Katti Narahari

(Aditya)"<kattinarahari@h...> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah>

>-->

> Dear Praveen,> > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows

something elselike denial of fruits.> > Regds> > Hari> ----- Original Message

----- > Praveen Kumar > vedic astrology > Thursday,

November 07, 2002 9:44 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.>

> > Dear Kanupriya,> First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or

malefic. Ifbenefic, it would take away the beneficence and would give the

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Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:20 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Mr Rao, please hang in there.Have faith.you are on the threshhold of better

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Hi,

>From memory, I think Laghu Parashari says that 'Benefics lose their beneficence

by owning quadrants and malefics their maleficence by owning trines'. This does

not equate to becoming malefic. Merely modification of their nature.

I think it may not be appropriate to think of the planets flip-flopping like

binary bits between malefic and benefic effects. It may be better to think of

them somewhat like individuals with varying behaviour, including both malefic

and benefic effects, depending on the context. The mix of effects would depend

on their placement, associations, nature, ownership, relative strength vis a

vis dispositors of various kinds, navamsha position etc.

Since quadrants require effort, perhaps the ownership of 2 quadrants takes away

easy gains promised by benefics and forces hard effort to obtain results.

Similarly since trines make things easy, the malefics which usually cause delay

and hard work, adjust themselves and reduce the effort they would otherwise

require.

Regards,

Nimmi

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Chandrashekhar Sharma

Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:55 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Dear Visti,

With due respect,I fail to understand the difference between Dosha and

affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other an english word.

Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates

what I mean under heading Benefics and Malefics for each Lagna.He designates

Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini

and Virgo. If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is

kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter and Venus

are more and more malefic in that order.

If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you

will find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas of

the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are also shubha

grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord is also

lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if

I am wrong in my source about kendradhipati Doshas.

By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.

-

Visti Larsen

Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but is a dosha for lack of results.

This means that the native works, but theres no energy for the creative part of

the results.. no real ailments.

So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for

planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the dosha is removed.

This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about.

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

-

Chandrashekhar

Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Dear friends,

Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when

it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati?

Chandrashekhar.

-

j.k. dasgupta

Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

dear sunit,

i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion and continue the process

of learning..so question of being 100% right does not come at all.

however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord always protects..the way may

differ, not neccessary that it will only pamper us. i would request you to post

your birth details and your analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from

it.

regards

dasgupta

-

Katti Narahari (Aditya)

Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Sunit,

Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I can be only confident when

I post and learn in the process. This is what Sanjay guru and my guru have

taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that is the reality. If you are 100% right,

blessed are u!.

I can only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and

hence I gain... if I am right I still gain.

If all people in this esteemed list start posting only if they are confident,

then I don't think anyone will learn.

As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was thinking of benefics and malefics

categorization in a chart. An inherently bad person can also do good just as a

good person by default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional

benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions to lagna

lord is a different matter as is retrogression.

Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with you too! I hope.

Regds

Hari

-

hmm

Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Dear Katti,Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true.

Inmy case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things havebeen

adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like bhuktihas been

checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord notbein g benefic

always...one suggestion..before posting a message withconfidence ask

yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from myexperience in reading

charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked aboutlagna lord too.Om namah

shivaya,Sunit Mehtavedic astrology, "Katti Narahari

(Aditya)"<kattinarahari@h...> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah>

>-->

> Dear Praveen,> > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows

something elselike denial of fruits.> > Regds> > Har i> -----! Original

Message ----- > Praveen Kumar > vedic astrology > Sent:

Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Retro

Lagana Lord.> > > Dear Kanupriya,> First see whether Lagna Lord is a

natural benefic or malefic. Ifbenefic, it would take away the beneficence and

would give the personconcerned a stout body.> > Praveen Kumar> > >

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Hi,

If Jupiter lord of 4th and 7th for virgo lagna lose

it benificience as being kendra lord aquiring

kendradhipati dosha then how can it be termed as

Panchmahapurusha yoga [Hamsa Yoga] if jupiter becomes

powerless???

Regards

Pratap

--- Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 wrote:

> Hi,

>

> From memory, I think Laghu Parashari says that

> 'Benefics lose their beneficence by owning quadrants

> and malefics their maleficence by owning trines'.

> This does not equate to becoming malefic. Merely

> modification of their nature.

>

> I think it may not be appropriate to think of the

> planets flip-flopping like binary bits between

> malefic and benefic effects. It may be better to

> think of them somewhat like individuals with varying

> behaviour, including both malefic and benefic

> effects, depending on the context. The mix of

> effects would depend on their placement,

> associations, nature, ownership, relative strength

> vis a vis dispositors of various kinds, navamsha

> position etc.

>

> Since quadrants require effort, perhaps the

> ownership of 2 quadrants takes away easy gains

> promised by benefics and forces hard effort to

> obtain results. Similarly since trines make things

> easy, the malefics which usually cause delay and

> hard work, adjust themselves and reduce the effort

> they would otherwise require.

>

> Regards,

>

> Nimmi

> -

> Chandrashekhar Sharma

> Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:55 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana

> Lord.

>

> Dear Visti,

> With due respect,I fail to understand the

> difference between Dosha and affliction barring that

> one is Sanskrit and other an english word.

> Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope ,

> at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under

> heading Benefics and Malefics for each Lagna.He

> designates Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and

> Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo.

> If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find

> that not only is kendradhipati dosha is treated as

> serious but it is said that Jupiter and Venus are

> more and more malefic in that order.

> If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha

> Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will find them getting

> not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas

> of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other

> Kendras as these are also shubha grahas barring the

> case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord

> is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or

> Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in

> my source about kendradhipati Doshas.

> By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.

> -

> Visti Larsen

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana

> Lord.

>

> Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

>

----------

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

> Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but is

> a dosha for lack of results. This means that the

> native works, but theres no energy for the creative

> part of the results.. no real ailments.

>

> So why are you worrying about this? Also

> Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for planets

> lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the

> dosha is removed.

>

> This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's

> article i sent a link to you about.

>

> Best wishes

> Visti

> ---

> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

>

vedic astrologybphs.zip

> iTRANS 99 Font:

>

> -

> Chandrashekhar

> Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro

> Lagana Lord.

>

> Dear friends,

> Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts

> Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that

> Jupiter and Venus are more and more inimical as

> Kendradhipati?

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> j.k. dasgupta

> Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro

> Lagana Lord.

>

> dear sunit,

>

> i fully agree with hari, this place is for

> discussion and continue the process of learning..so

> question of being 100% right does not come at all.

>

> however, i also agree with hari that lagna

> lord always protects..the way may differ, not

> neccessary that it will only pamper us. i would

> request you to post your birth details and your

> analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from

> it.

>

> regards

>

> dasgupta

> -

> Katti Narahari (Aditya)

> Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro

> Lagana Lord.

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

----

>

> Dear Sunit,

>

> Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look

> at it is I can be only confident when I post and

> learn in the process. This is what Sanjay guru and

> my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that

> is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are

> u!.

>

> I can only be right when I post. If I am

> wrong, my guru will correct me and hence I gain...

> if I am right I still gain.

>

> If all people in this esteemed list start

> posting only if they are confident, then I don't

> think anyone will learn.

>

> As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was

> thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in

> a chart. An inherently bad person can also do good

> just as a good person by default can create a lot of

> havoc. In the context of functional benefics and

> malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm.

> Afflictions to lagna lord is a different matter as

> is retrogression.

>

> Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s

> ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with you too! I

> hope.

>

> Regds

>

> Hari

>

> -

> hmm

> Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Retro

> Lagana Lord.

>

> Dear Katti,

> Your inference of the lagna lord being

> always benefic is not true. In

> my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and

> since its mahadasa things have

> been adverse, rahu is in virgo in

> 8th..rest of the factors like bhukti

> has been checked and I have heard others

> tell me to about lord not

> bein g benefic always...one

> suggestion..before posting a message with

> confidence ask yourself.....am I 100%

> right.....is it from my

> experience in reading charts.....Brother

> Visti

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Om Gurave Namah

Dear Pratap,

Hamsa yoga is formed when jup is in his own house or exalted AND also in a

kendra from lagna. Hence if for virgo lagna jup is placed in Saggi or PI alone

Hamsa yoga is formed and Kendradhipati dosha is not applicable. In all other

situations, jupiter carries the blemish of kendradhipati dosha.

Hope this helps

Regds

Hari

-

Pratap Kumar P

Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:44 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Hi, If Jupiter lord of 4th and 7th for virgo lagna loseit benificience as

being kendra lord aquiringkendradhipati dosha then how can it be termed

asPanchmahapurusha yoga [Hamsa Yoga] if jupiter

becomespowerless???RegardsPratap --- Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>

wrote:> Hi,> > From memory, I think Laghu Parashari says that> 'Benefics lose

their beneficence by owning quadrants> and malefics their maleficence by owning

trines'.> This does not equate to becoming malefic. Merely> modification of

their nature.> > I think it may not be appropriate to think of the> planets

flip-flopping like binary bits between> malefic and benefic effects. It may be

better to> think of them somewhat like individuals with varying> behaviour,

including both malefic and benefic> effects, depending on the context. The mix

of> effects would depend on their placement,> associations, nature, ownership,

relative strength> vis a vis dispositors of various kinds, navamsha> position

etc.> > Since quadrants require effort, perhaps the> ownership of 2 quadrants

takes away easy gains> promised by benefics and forces hard effort to> obtain

results. Similarly since trines make things> easy, the malefics which usually

cause delay and> hard work, adjust themselves and reduce the effort> they would

otherwise require.> > Regards,> > Nimmi> - >

Chandrashekhar Sharma > vedic astrology > Sent:

Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:55 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re:

Retro Lagana> Lord.> > > Dear Visti,> With due respect,I fail to understand

the> difference between Dosha and affliction barring that> one is Sanskrit and

other an english word.> Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope ,> at

page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under> heading Benefics and Malefics for

each Lagna.He> designates Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and> Pisces and

Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo.> If you proceed to Laghu Parashari,

you will find> that not only is kendradhipati dosha is treated as> serious but

it is said that Jupiter and Venus are> more and more malefic in that order.>

If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha> Grahas as Ascendant Lords you

will find them getting> not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas> of

the Ascendant lords and also lords of other> Kendras as these are also shubha

grahas barring the> case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord> is

also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or> Libra Ascendant.Please correct

me if I am wrong in> my source about kendradhipati Doshas.> By tyhe way i am

myself a Saggitarian.> - > Visti

Larsen > vedic astrology > Tuesday, November

12, 2002 12:02 AM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana> Lord.>

> > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om>

>---------->

> Dear Chandrashekhar,> Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but

is> a dosha for lack of results. This means that the> native works, but theres

no energy for the creative> part of the results.. no real ailments.> > So

why are you worrying about this? Also> Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for

planets> lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the> dosha is

removed.> > This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's> article i

sent a link to you about.> > Best wishes> Visti> ---> Bhagavad

Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> Brihat Parasara Hora

Shastra:>vedic astrologybphs.zip>

iTRANS 99 Font:>http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html>

- > Chandrashekhar > To:

vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13

PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro> Lagana Lord.> > >

Dear friends,> Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts>

Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that> Jupiter and Venus are more

and more inimical as> Kendradhipati?> Chandrashekhar.> -----

Original Message ----- > j.k. dasgupta > To:

vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55

PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro> Lagana Lord.> > >

dear sunit,> > i fully agree with hari, this place is for> discussion

and continue the process of learning..so> question of being 100% right does not

come at all.> > however, i also agree with hari that lagna> lord always

protects..the way may differ, not> neccessary that it will only pamper us. i

would> request you to post your birth details and your> analysis..so that we

all can discuss and learn from> it.> > regards> > dasgupta>

- > Katti Narahari (Aditya) >

vedic astrology > Monday, November

11, 2002 3:16 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro> Lagana

Lord.> > > Om Gurave Namah>

>----> >

Dear Sunit,> > Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look> at it

is I can be only confident when I post and> learn in the process. This is what

Sanjay guru and> my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that> is the

reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are> u!. > > I can only be

right when I post. If I am> wrong, my guru will correct me and hence I gain...>

if I am right I still gain.> > If all people in this esteemed list

start> posting only if they are confident, then I don't> think anyone will

learn.> > As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was> thinking of

benefics and malefics categorization in> a chart. An inherently bad person can

also do good> just as a good person by default can create a lot of> havoc. In

the context of functional benefics and> malefics, I meant lagna lord can never

harm.> Afflictions to lagna lord is a different matter as> is retrogression.> >

Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s> ok if I am wrong. It

should be ok with you too! I> hope.> > Regds> > Hari> >

- > hmm > To:

vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002

3:02 PM> [vedic astrology] Re: Retro> Lagana Lord.> > >

Dear Katti,> Your inference of the lagna lord being> always

benefic is not true. In> my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and>

since its mahadasa things have> been adverse, rahu is in virgo in>

8th..rest of the factors like bhukti> has been checked and I have

heard others> tell me to about lord not> bein g benefic

always...one> suggestion..before posting a message with> confidence

ask yourself.....am I 100%> right.....is it from my> experience in

reading charts.....Brother> Visti === message truncated ===

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Om Krishna Guru!

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Hare Rama Krishna!

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Om Namo Naaraayaanaana!

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Dear Guruji and Friends!

My Guruji (Vistiji) happen to give me the functional nature

of the planets as an assignment sometime back and as part of that I

learned that Lagna Lord never acts as functional malefics. The

reasons are

1) Lagna represents everything about the self, hence its lord

cannot be malefic towards itself (Just as no person in this world

becomes malefics towards him/herself).

2) Lagna is both Kendra and Kona hence Lord of the lagna in a

sense appears to become Yogakaraka. Ofcourse no standard text has

mentioned lagna lord as Yogakaraka, I am just trying to bring to your

notice about the benefic nature by comparing it with a real

Yogakaraka planet.

Hence Lagna lord can never be a functional malefic. If during

any of the Dasa periods of the Lagna lord is acting against the

native then it should be due to the aspects of other malefic planets

on the Lagna and its lord. And those negative events are just the

manifestation of the Graha Dristi (Desire) of those malefic planet(s).

One more thing is, by acquiring lordship of Kendra a benefic

planet won't become functional malefic, instead it just becomes less

benefic i.e., it benefic nature lessens. Losing the benefic nature

does not mean it will become malefic. (For example a person who is

more generous and charitable if stops his charities does not mean

that the person has become greedy or bad.) And the magnitude of

losing the benefic nature is more for Jupiter and Venus compared to

Mercury. And Moon loses very less when compared to even mercury.

I am still working out on the functional nature of the

planets. My work is half done at this moment. Once I complete my

assignment and when my Guruji Visti corrects my work I will put the

work on the list in the benefit of all of us.

Thanking Visti Guruji for his perfect teachings,

PK

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Visti,With due respect,I fail to understand the difference

between Dosha and affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other

an english word.Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at

page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading Benefics and

Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for

saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo.

If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is

kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter

and Venus are more and more malefic in that order.If you analyse

horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will

find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas

of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are

also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where

the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra

Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source about

kendradhipati Doshas.By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.-----

Original Message ----- Visti Larsen vedic astrology

Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AMRe: [vedic-

astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but

is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the native works, but

theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no real

ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati

Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a

trikona, hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in

Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about. Best wishes

> Visti

> ---

> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic-

astrologybphs.zip

> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html-

Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November 11,

2002 7:13 PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> Dear friends,Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts

Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and Venus

are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati?Chandrashekhar.-----

Original Message ----- j.k. dasgupta vedic astrology

Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PMRe: [vedic astrology]

Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> dear sunit, i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion

and continue the process of learning..so question of being 100% right

does not come at all. however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord

always protects..the way may differ, not neccessary that it will only

pamper us. i would request you to post your birth details and your

analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from it. regards

dasgupta- Katti Narahari (Aditya)

vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16

PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Sunit, Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I

can be only confident when I post and learn in the process. This is

what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right,

that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are u!. I can

only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and

hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in this

esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I don't

think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was

thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An

inherently bad person can also do good just as a good person by

default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional

benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions

to lagna lord is a different matter as is retrogression. Thanks again

for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with

you too! I hope. Regds Hari - hmm

vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02

PM[vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> Dear Katti,

> Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true.

In

> my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things

have

> been adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like

bhukti

> has been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord not

> bein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message

with

> confidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from my

> experience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked

about

> lagna lord too.

> Om namah shivaya,

> Sunit Mehta

>

> vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"

> <kattinarahari@h...> wrote:

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> --

------------

> >

> > Dear Praveen,

> >

> > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows something

else

> like denial of fruits.

> >

> > Regds

> >

> > Hari

> > -

> > Praveen Kumar

> > vedic astrology

> > Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.

> >

> > Dear Kanupriya,

> > First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. If

> benefic, it would take away the beneficence and would give the

person

> concerned a stout body.

> >

> > Praveen Kumar

> >

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The dasa of the lagna lord when bad is not solely due to the dristi of

other planets on lagna. From what i believe adversity and happiness

are brought about by planets usually when activated in their dasa,

bhukti. If lagnadhipati is in 8th house and dasa is bad, will you

blame it on planets affecting lagna ? What if there was a dasa/bhukti

of another planet and not the lagna lord, malefics would still affect

the lagna in their respective rasi and graha dristi in respective

positions. Would the period still be bad. Das Goravini too believes

that lagnesh in 8th during its dasa is extremely adverse, more so if

afflicted, whether a good or adverse dristi on the lagna during that

period.

Regards,

Sunit. (Dont get me no Virus !!!)

vedic astrology, "PK" <pkvirus99> wrote:

> Om Krishna Guru!

> ***************

>

> Hare Rama Krishna!

> *****************

>

> Om Namo Naaraayaanaana!

> **********************

>

> Dear Guruji and Friends!

>

> My Guruji (Vistiji) happen to give me the functional nature

> of the planets as an assignment sometime back and as part of that I

> learned that Lagna Lord never acts as functional malefics. The

> reasons are

> 1) Lagna represents everything about the self, hence its lord

> cannot be malefic towards itself (Just as no person in this world

> becomes malefics towards him/herself).

> 2) Lagna is both Kendra and Kona hence Lord of the lagna in a

> sense appears to become Yogakaraka. Ofcourse no standard text has

> mentioned lagna lord as Yogakaraka, I am just trying to bring to your

> notice about the benefic nature by comparing it with a real

> Yogakaraka planet.

> Hence Lagna lord can never be a functional malefic. If during

> any of the Dasa periods of the Lagna lord is acting against the

> native then it should be due to the aspects of other malefic planets

> on the Lagna and its lord. And those negative events are just the

> manifestation of the Graha Dristi (Desire) of those malefic planet(s).

> One more thing is, by acquiring lordship of Kendra a benefic

> planet won't become functional malefic, instead it just becomes less

> benefic i.e., it benefic nature lessens. Losing the benefic nature

> does not mean it will become malefic. (For example a person who is

> more generous and charitable if stops his charities does not mean

> that the person has become greedy or bad.) And the magnitude of

> losing the benefic nature is more for Jupiter and Venus compared to

> Mercury. And Moon loses very less when compared to even mercury.

> I am still working out on the functional nature of the

> planets. My work is half done at this moment. Once I complete my

> assignment and when my Guruji Visti corrects my work I will put the

> work on the list in the benefit of all of us.

>

> Thanking Visti Guruji for his perfect teachings,

> PK

>

> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel>

> wrote:

> > Dear Visti,With due respect,I fail to understand the difference

> between Dosha and affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other

> an english word.Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at

> page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading Benefics and

> Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for

> saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo.

> If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is

> kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter

> and Venus are more and more malefic in that order.If you analyse

> horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will

> find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas

> of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are

> also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where

> the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra

> Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source about

> kendradhipati Doshas.By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.-----

> Original Message ----- Visti Larsen vedic astrology

> Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AMRe: [vedic-

> astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but

> is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the native works, but

> theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no real

> ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati

> Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a

> trikona, hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in

> Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about. Best wishes

> > Visti

> > ---

> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic-

> astrologybphs.zip

> > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

> ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html-

> Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November 11,

> 2002 7:13 PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> > Dear friends,Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts

> Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and Venus

> are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati?Chandrashekhar.-----

> Original Message ----- j.k. dasgupta vedic astrology

> Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PMRe: [vedic astrology]

> Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> > dear sunit, i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion

> and continue the process of learning..so question of being 100% right

> does not come at all. however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord

> always protects..the way may differ, not neccessary that it will only

> pamper us. i would request you to post your birth details and your

> analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from it. regards

> dasgupta- Katti Narahari (Aditya)

> vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16

> PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Sunit, Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I

> can be only confident when I post and learn in the process. This is

> what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right,

> that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are u!. I can

> only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and

> hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in this

> esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I don't

> think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was

> thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An

> inherently bad person can also do good just as a good person by

> default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional

> benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions

> to lagna lord is a different matter as is retrogression. Thanks again

> for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with

> you too! I hope. Regds Hari - hmm

> vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02

> PM[vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> > Dear Katti,

> > Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true.

> In

> > my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things

> have

> > been adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like

> bhukti

> > has been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord not

> > bein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message

> with

> > confidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from my

> > experience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked

> about

> > lagna lord too.

> > Om namah shivaya,

> > Sunit Mehta

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"

> > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote:

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > --

> ------------

> > >

> > > Dear Praveen,

> > >

> > > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows something

> else

> > like denial of fruits.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > >

> > > Hari

> > > -

> > > Praveen Kumar

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.

> > >

> > > Dear Kanupriya,

> > > First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. If

> > benefic, it would take away the beneficence and would give the

> person

> > concerned a stout body.

> > >

> > > Praveen Kumar

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

> astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...

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> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs.

November 14, 2002

Dear Sunit!

Infact you have mentioned few good points which I forgot to

add in my earlier post. Yes it is not only the Graha Drishti it can

be Rasi Drishti also. Moreover by placement of the planet in any of

the dusthanas (3rd/6th/8th/11th) houses may also cause the problem to

the native. But again the placement of Lord of the lagna in those

dusthanas does not mean the planet has become malefic towards the

self, the negative results should be attributed to the house in which

it is placed. If a person stays in the prison does not mean that

person is a criminal, he can be honest police officer also. And even

honest police officer also suffers sometimes due to the the

environment in which he is rendering his duties. In this case

criminal environment around him causes him mental tensions etc but

still he will be trying to uplift the crimals.

Regarding the malefic nature, if the planet misbehaves with

somebody/something then it will be considered as malefic. But as you

said the native is suffering with the negative results during the

dasa period of the lagna lord, probably it could be due to its

placement in a bad house. (Police officers analogy above).

If a person becomes malefic then he will act malefic towards

others. But if person is suffering with negative results then some

other negative force is acting on the person but not himself. Hence

the negative results that you were talking are due to those negative

effects BY those others on the native.

Regarding the functional nature of the planets when a planet

becomes functional malefic/benefic we need to question "FOR WHOM /

TOWARDS WHOM?". As loss of somebody is the gain of some other, so

also is the case with functional nature of the planets. If a planet

has become malefic then we need to question for whom it has become

malefic. As the topic is regarding the malefic nature of the Lord of

Lagna, if lagna lord is functional malefic then it will not be

malefic towards the native. It should be malefic towards some others.

Regards,

PK

vedic astrology, "hmm" <studd2hott> wrote:

> Dear PKVIRUS !!!!!

> The dasa of the lagna lord when bad is not solely due to the dristi

of

> other planets on lagna. From what i believe adversity and happiness

> are brought about by planets usually when activated in their dasa,

> bhukti. If lagnadhipati is in 8th house and dasa is bad, will you

> blame it on planets affecting lagna ? What if there was a

dasa/bhukti

> of another planet and not the lagna lord, malefics would still

affect

> the lagna in their respective rasi and graha dristi in respective

> positions. Would the period still be bad. Das Goravini too believes

> that lagnesh in 8th during its dasa is extremely adverse, more so if

> afflicted, whether a good or adverse dristi on the lagna during that

> period.

> Regards,

> Sunit. (Dont get me no Virus !!!)

>

> vedic astrology, "PK" <pkvirus99> wrote:

> > Om Krishna Guru!

> > ***************

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna!

> > *****************

> >

> > Om Namo Naaraayaanaana!

> > **********************

> >

> > Dear Guruji and Friends!

> >

> > My Guruji (Vistiji) happen to give me the functional nature

> > of the planets as an assignment sometime back and as part of that

I

> > learned that Lagna Lord never acts as functional malefics. The

> > reasons are

> > 1) Lagna represents everything about the self, hence its lord

> > cannot be malefic towards itself (Just as no person in this world

> > becomes malefics towards him/herself).

> > 2) Lagna is both Kendra and Kona hence Lord of the lagna in a

> > sense appears to become Yogakaraka. Ofcourse no standard text has

> > mentioned lagna lord as Yogakaraka, I am just trying to bring to

your

> > notice about the benefic nature by comparing it with a real

> > Yogakaraka planet.

> > Hence Lagna lord can never be a functional malefic. If during

> > any of the Dasa periods of the Lagna lord is acting against the

> > native then it should be due to the aspects of other malefic

planets

> > on the Lagna and its lord. And those negative events are just the

> > manifestation of the Graha Dristi (Desire) of those malefic planet

(s).

> > One more thing is, by acquiring lordship of Kendra a benefic

> > planet won't become functional malefic, instead it just becomes

less

> > benefic i.e., it benefic nature lessens. Losing the benefic

nature

> > does not mean it will become malefic. (For example a person who

is

> > more generous and charitable if stops his charities does not mean

> > that the person has become greedy or bad.) And the magnitude of

> > losing the benefic nature is more for Jupiter and Venus compared

to

> > Mercury. And Moon loses very less when compared to even mercury.

> > I am still working out on the functional nature of the

> > planets. My work is half done at this moment. Once I complete my

> > assignment and when my Guruji Visti corrects my work I will put

the

> > work on the list in the benefit of all of us.

> >

> > Thanking Visti Guruji for his perfect teachings,

> > PK

> >

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Visti,With due respect,I fail to understand the difference

> > between Dosha and affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and

other

> > an english word.Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope ,

at

> > page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading Benefics and

> > Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for

> > saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and

Virgo.

> > If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is

> > kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that

Jupiter

> > and Venus are more and more malefic in that order.If you analyse

> > horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you

will

> > find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar

dashas

> > of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these

are

> > also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord

where

> > the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or

Libra

> > Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source about

> > kendradhipati Doshas.By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.-----

> > Original Message ----- Visti Larsen vedic-

astrology

> > Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AMRe: [vedic-

> > astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> > > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction,

but

> > is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the native works,

but

> > theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no real

> > ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati

> > Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a

> > trikona, hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in

> > Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about. Best

wishes

> > > Visti

> > > ---

> > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic-

> > astrologybphs.zip

> > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

> > ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html-

> > Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November

11,

> > 2002 7:13 PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> > > Dear friends,Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts

> > Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and

Venus

> > are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati?Chandrashekhar.-----

> > Original Message ----- j.k. dasgupta vedic-

astrology

> > Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PMRe: [vedic-

astrology]

> > Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> > > dear sunit, i fully agree with hari, this place is for

discussion

> > and continue the process of learning..so question of being 100%

right

> > does not come at all. however, i also agree with hari that lagna

lord

> > always protects..the way may differ, not neccessary that it will

only

> > pamper us. i would request you to post your birth details and

your

> > analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from it. regards

> > dasgupta- Katti Narahari

(Aditya)

> > vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16

> > PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Sunit, Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is

I

> > can be only confident when I post and learn in the process. This

is

> > what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100%

right,

> > that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are u!. I

can

> > only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me

and

> > hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in this

> > esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I

don't

> > think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was

> > thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An

> > inherently bad person can also do good just as a good person by

> > default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional

> > benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm.

Afflictions

> > to lagna lord is a different matter as is retrogression. Thanks

again

> > for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok

with

> > you too! I hope. Regds Hari -

hmm

> > vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02

> > PM[vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

> > > Dear Katti,

> > > Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not

true.

> > In

> > > my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa

things

> > have

> > > been adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like

> > bhukti

> > > has been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord

not

> > > bein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a

message

> > with

> > > confidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from my

> > > experience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have

talked

> > about

> > > lagna lord too.

> > > Om namah shivaya,

> > > Sunit Mehta

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"

> > > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote:

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > -------------------------------

----

> > ------------

> > > >

> > > > Dear Praveen,

> > > >

> > > > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows

something

> > else

> > > like denial of fruits.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > >

> > > > Hari

> > > > -

> > > > Praveen Kumar

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM

> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kanupriya,

> > > > First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or

malefic. If

> > > benefic, it would take away the beneficence and would give the

> > person

> > > concerned a stout body.

> > > >

> > > > Praveen Kumar

> > > >

> > > > Group info: vedic-

> > astrology/info.html

> > > >

> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

@e...

> > > >

> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

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> > Service.

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> > >

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astrology/info.html

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November 14, 2002

Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Pk,

The Dusthas are the 6th, 8th and 12th, whilst the lords of the 3rd, and 11th

also act evil, as per Parasara.

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

-

PK

Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:19 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Dear Sunit! Infact you have mentioned few good points which I forgot to add

in my earlier post. Yes it is not only the Graha Drishti it can be Rasi Drishti

also. Moreover by placement of the planet in any of the dusthanas

(3rd/6th/8th/11th) houses may also cause the problem to the native. But again

the placement of Lord of the lagna in those dusthanas does not mean the planet

has become malefic towards the self, the negative results should be attributed

to the house in which it is placed. If a person stays in the prison does not

mean that person is a criminal, he can be honest police officer also. And even

honest police officer also suffers sometimes due to the the environment in

which he is rendering his duties. In this case criminal environment around him

causes him mental tensions etc but still he will be trying to uplift the

crimals. Regarding the malefic nature, if the planet misbehaves with

somebody/something then it will be considered as malefic. But as you said the

native is suffering with the negative results during the dasa period of the

lagna lord, probably it could be due to its placement in a bad house. (Police

officers analogy above). If a person becomes malefic then he will act

malefic towards others. But if person is suffering with negative results then

some other negative force is acting on the person but not himself. Hence the

negative results that you were talking are due to those negative effects BY

those others on the native. Regarding the functional nature of the planets

when a planet becomes functional malefic/benefic we need to question "FOR WHOM /

TOWARDS WHOM?". As loss of somebody is the gain of some other, so also is the

case with functional nature of the planets. If a planet has become malefic then

we need to question for whom it has become malefic. As the topic is regarding

the malefic nature of the Lord of Lagna, if lagna lord is functional malefic

then it will not be malefic towards the native. It should be malefic towards

some others.Regards,PKvedic astrology, "hmm" <studd2hott>

wrote:> Dear PKVIRUS !!!!!> The dasa of the lagna lord when bad is not solely

due to the dristi of> other planets on lagna. From what i believe adversity and

happiness> are brought about by planets usually when activated in their dasa,>

bhukti. If lagnadhipati is in 8th house and dasa is bad, will you> blame it on

planets affecting lagna ? What if there was a dasa/bhukti> of another planet

and not the lagna lord, malefics would still affect> the lagna in their

respective rasi and graha dristi in respective> positions. Would the period

still be bad. Das Goravini too believes> that lagnesh in 8th during its dasa is

extremely adverse, more so if> afflicted, whether a good or adverse dristi on

the lagna during that> period.> Regards,> Sunit. (Dont get me no Virus !!!)> >

> vedic astrology, "PK" <pkvirus99> wrote:> > Om Krishna

Guru!> > ***************> > > > Hare Rama Krishna!> > *****************> > > >

Om Namo Naaraayaanaana!> > **********************> > > > Dear Guruji and

Friends!> > > > My Guruji (Vistiji) happen to give me the functional

nature > > of the planets as an assignment sometime back and as part of that I

> > learned that Lagna Lord never acts as functional malefics. The > > reasons

are> > 1) Lagna represents everything about the self, hence its lord > >

cannot be malefic towards itself (Just as no person in this world > > becomes

malefics towards him/herself).> > 2) Lagna is both Kendra and Kona hence

Lord of the lagna in a > > sense appears to become Yogakaraka. Ofcourse no

standard text has > > mentioned lagna lord as Yogakaraka, I am just trying to

bring to your > > notice about the benefic nature by comparing it with a real >

> Yogakaraka planet.> > Hence Lagna lord can never be a functional

malefic. If during > > any of the Dasa periods of the Lagna lord is acting

against the > > native then it should be due to the aspects of other malefic

planets > > on the Lagna and its lord. And those negative events are just the >

> manifestation of the Graha Dristi (Desire) of those malefic planet(s).> >

One more thing is, by acquiring lordship of Kendra a benefic > > planet won't

become functional malefic, instead it just becomes less > > benefic i.e., it

benefic nature lessens. Losing the benefic nature > > does not mean it will

become malefic. (For example a person who is > > more generous and charitable

if stops his charities does not mean > > that the person has become greedy or

bad.) And the magnitude of > > losing the benefic nature is more for Jupiter

and Venus compared to > > Mercury. And Moon loses very less when compared to

even mercury.> > I am still working out on the functional nature of the >

> planets. My work is half done at this moment. Once I complete my > >

assignment and when my Guruji Visti corrects my work I will put the > > work on

the list in the benefit of all of us.> > > > Thanking Visti Guruji for his

perfect teachings,> > PK> > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

Sharma <boxdel> > > wrote:> > > Dear Visti,With due respect,I fail to

understand the difference > > between Dosha and affliction barring that one is

Sanskrit and other > > an english word.Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a

horoscope , at > > page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading

Benefics and > > Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for >

> saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo. > > If you

proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is > > kendradhipati

dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter > > and Venus are more

and more malefic in that order.If you analyse > > horoscopes of persons with

Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will > > find them getting not very good

results during Maha and Antar dashas > > of the Ascendant lords and also lords

of other Kendras as these are > > also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus

as ascendant lord where > > the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending

on Taurus or Libra > > Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source

about > > kendradhipati Doshas.By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.----- > >

Original Message ----- Visti Larsen vedic astrology > > Sent:

Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AMRe: [vedic-> > astrology] Re: Retro

Lagana Lord.> > > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,Kendradhipati Dosha,

isn't an affliction, but > > is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the

native works, but > > theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no

real > > ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati > >

Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a > > trikona,

hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in > > Gaurangas mail,

who's article i sent a link to you about. Best wishes> > > Visti> > > ---> > >

Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > > Brihat Parasara Hora

Shastra: vedic-> > astrologybphs.zip> > >

iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-> >

ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html- > >

Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November 11, > > 2002

7:13 PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> > > Dear

friends,Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts > > Kendradhipati Dosha?

Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and Venus > > are more and more inimical

as Kendradhipati?Chandrashekhar.----- > > Original Message ----- j.k.

dasgupta vedic astrology > > Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55

PMRe: [vedic astrology] > > Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> > > dear sunit, i

fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion > > and continue the

process of learning..so question of being 100% right > > does not come at all.

however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord > > always protects..the way

may differ, not neccessary that it will only > > pamper us. i would request you

to post your birth details and your > > analysis..so that we all can discuss and

learn from it. regards > > dasgupta- Katti

Narahari (Aditya) > > vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002

3:16 > > PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> > > Om Gurave

Namah> > > > > > Dear Sunit, Thanks for the

suggestion. The way I look at it is I > > can be only confident when I post and

learn in the process. This is > > what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I

cannot be 100% right, > > that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed

are u!. I can > > only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will

correct me and > > hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in

this > > esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I don't >

> think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was > >

thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An > > inherently

bad person can also do good just as a good person by > > default can create a

lot of havoc. In the context of functional > > benefics and malefics, I meant

lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions > > to lagna lord is a different matter

as is retrogression. Thanks again > > for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am

wrong. It should be ok with > > you too! I hope. Regds Hari ----- Original

Message ----- hmm > > vedic astrology Monday, November 11,

2002 3:02 > > PM[vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> > > Dear

Katti,> > > Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true.

> > In> > > my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things >

> have> > > been adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like > >

bhukti> > > has been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord not>

> > bein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message > > with>

> > confidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from my> > >

experience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked > > about> > >

lagna lord too.> > > Om namah shivaya,> > > Sunit Mehta> > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"> > > <kattinarahari@h...>

wrote:> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > > >> > >

--> >

------------> > > > > > > > Dear Praveen,> > > > > > > > Lagna lord is always a

benefic. A retrogression shows something > > else> > > like denial of fruits.> >

> > > > > > Regds> > > > > > > > Hari> > > > - > >

> > Praveen Kumar > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Sent:

Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM> > > > Re: [vedic astrology]

Retro Lagana Lord.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kanupriya,> > > > First see

whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. If> > > benefic, it would

take away the beneficence and would give the > > person> > > concerned a stout

body.> > > > > > > > Praveen Kumar> > > > > > > > > > > > Archives:

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Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Chandrashekhar,

This goes to show that you didn't read that link i sent you, the first time this

discussion came up.

Dosha means 'fault'.

There are many types of faults and they range from the most intense to mild.

Mostly depending on the type of Dosha and the grahas involved.

Kendradhipati Dosha doesn't alter the effects of planets, and only occurs when

the trines aren't associated with the kendra, hence results aren't easily

obtainable, as Sri Lakshmi(trines) isn't helping the native obtain results of

their efforts.

Heres a qoute from an old mail from Gurudeva:

"Kendradhipatya Dosha applies to planets owning the quadrants. This Dosha ONLY

results inreduction of effects and not their alteration."

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

-

Chandrashekhar Sharma

Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:55 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Dear Visti,

With due respect,I fail to understand the difference between Dosha and

affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other an english word.

Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates

what I mean under heading Benefics and Malefics for each Lagna.He designates

Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini

and Virgo. If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is

kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter and Venus

are more and more malefic in that order.

If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you

will find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas of

the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are also shubha

grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord is also

lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if

I am wrong in my source about kendradhipati Doshas.

By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.

-

Visti Larsen

Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but is a dosha for lack of results.

This means that the native works, but theres no energy for the creative part of

the results.. no real ailments.

So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for

planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the dosha is removed.

This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about.

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

-

Chandrashekhar

Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Dear friends,

Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when

it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati?

Chandrashekhar.

-

j.k. dasgupta

Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

dear sunit,

i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion and continue the process

of learning..so question of being 100% right does not come at all.

however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord always protects..the way may

differ, not neccessary that it will only pamper us. i would request you to post

your birth details and your analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from

it.

regards

dasgupta

-

Katti Narahari (Aditya)

Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Sunit,

Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I can be only confident when

I post and learn in the process. This is what Sanjay guru and my guru have

taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that is the reality. If you are 100% right,

blessed are u!.

I can only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and

hence I gain... if I am right I still gain.

If all people in this esteemed list start posting only if they are confident,

then I don't think anyone will learn.

As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was thinking of benefics and malefics

categorization in a chart. An inherently bad person can also do good just as a

good person by default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional

benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions to lagna

lord is a different matter as is retrogression.

Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with you too! I hope.

Regds

Hari

-

hmm

Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.

Dear Katti,Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true.

Inmy case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things havebeen

adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like bhuktihas been

checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord notbein g benefic

always...one suggestion..before posting a message withconfidence ask

yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from myexperience in reading

charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked aboutlagna lord too.Om namah

shivaya,Sunit Mehtavedic astrology, "Katti Narahari

(Aditya)"<kattinarahari@h...> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah>

>-->

> Dear Praveen,> > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows

something elselike denial of fruits.> > Regds> > Hari> ----- Original Message

----- > Praveen Kumar > vedic astrology > Thursday,

November 07, 2002 9:44 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.>

> > Dear Kanupriya,> First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or

malefic. Ifbenefic, it would take away the beneficence and would give the

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Dear Nimmi,

Find below the relevant shlokas of Laghu Parashari.If you have devanagari fonts

you should be able to read them.(Shivaji1 font used).As a matter of fact I am

not good a typing Devanagari but had written down Laghu parashari for my own

academic interest.

You should understand that a planet only becomes a yogakaraka if he owns an

Angle as well as a trine.Now the typical argument is that since the Ascendant

is both an Angle and a trine. Lord of ascendant is always a benefic.This

appears correctg on the surface.

However if we try to understand the basics, instead relying on mere Yogas which

act like empirical formulae(to my mind and I may be wrong) the reason that

Laghu Parashari gives great importance to Kendradhipati dosha becomes clear.

You have to consider both houses owned by a planet when deciding how it is going

to affect a jataka.In case of Jupiter and Mercury the second house owned by them

is always an angle if they are Ascendant lord.Also when one is Ascendant lord

other is lord of 7th the strongest of Marakasthanas.

In case of Venus the other Benefic left, as already explained when he is

Ascendant Lord the other house owned by him is always a Trishadaysthana.This is

why it is said that jupiter and Venus are even more malefic the second more than

the first.

6

savao- i~kaoNanaotarao ga`ha: SauBaflap`da:

ptyais~YaDayaanaaM yaid papflap`da:

7

na idSaint SauBaM naRNaaM saaOmya: kond`aiQapayaid

`kUraScaodSauBaM (oto `pbalaa }<arao<arma\

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kond`aiQap%yadaoYastu balavaana\ gau$Sau `kyaao:

mark%vao|ip ca tyaaomaa-rksqaanasaMisqait:

Chandrashekhar.

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Nimmi Ragavan