Guest guest Report post Posted November 12, 2002 Dear sunit: Generally in charts lagna is the first house and all other houses are referenced from there. It is not common practice to have two references in same chart i.e one from lagna and another from aries and also confusing. Generally speaking lagna lord cannot be a malefic (It is also the opinion of the gurus) It should always be a benefic as lagna is the satya peetha, the true self. The benefic and malefic interpretation could also be relative, could be illusory. what happens as good may not be perceived as good. Again to interpret the malefic of benefic aspect depend to be seen from the chart Ishwar vedic astrology, "hmm" <studd2hott> wrote: > Dear Hari, > I meant the generic signs. Dont all the charts have aries as the first > house in the zodiac, 8th from it is the 8th house which is scorpio > though the natural sign is virgo in it. I meant Rahu in the 8th house > for aquarius lagna if Rahu is stronger and becomes Lord. > regards, > Sunit > > > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)" > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > -- ------------ > > > > Dear Sunit, > > > > What's the logic in taking the starting point from Aries? i have > been taught lagna is the first house! > > > > Regds > > > > Hari > > - > > hmm > > vedic astrology > > Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:53 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > > > > > Dear Nimmi and the rest, > > Correction....I meant the 8th house which is scorpio if we take aries > > as 1st. Sorry about that and thank u for pointing it out. > > Sunit Mehta > > vedic astrology, "hmm" <studd2hott> wrote: > > > Dear Nimmi, > > > It is exactly what I mean.....lagna lord rahu in scorpio in 8th. > > > obviously for aquarian ascendant. > > > Regards, > > > Sunit Mehta > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660@c...> > wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > How can lagna lord Rahu be in Scorpio in the 8th? Rahu can only be > > lagna > > > > lord for Aquarius lagna. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Nimmi > > > > - > > > > "hmm" <studd2hott> > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:05 AM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Hari, > > > > > My comment on being 100% right when posting a message was > related to > > > > > the fact that it is a very vague thing to say that lagna > lord is > > > > > always benefic...do me a favor...look into charts who's > lagna lord > > > > > falls in 8th and tell me that it has been good for them. If > u happen > > > > > to cross 1/10 I will change my opinion. No offense to be > > taken..its an > > > > > experiment. Malefic lagna lords cause more adversity during > > their dasa > > > > > as compared to benefics. I believe the lagna lord will protect > > > > > you..and I will keep it at that. If you give me one case in > which > > > > > lagna lord Rahu in scorpio in 8th has been benefic I will > start to > > > > > think harder about your statement...once again..no offense to be > > taken > > > > > Hari..we are all learning. > > > > > God Bless us all, > > > > > Sunit Mehta > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)" > > > > > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- ------ > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Rao, > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems could be because of moon and not just lagna lord > > > > > jupiter. Lagna lord jupiter is afflicted with the 8th lord. > > Ofcourse, > > > > > the entire chart is always better for particulars. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > - > > > > > > tvrao_agd > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > Monday, November 11, 2002 6:15 PM > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i fully agree with mr. sunit mehta. even i am facing the > same > > > > > problem in > > > > > > case of lagna lord's dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > mine is sagittarius lagna and lagna lord jupiter is in ninth > > house > > > > > with > > > > > > moon. since the lagna lord dasa i am having tremendous > problems > > > > > and as on > > > > > > today, i have lot of trouble in day to day considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > t. v. rao > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > "hmm" <studd2hott> > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Katti, > > > > > > > Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic > is not > > > > > true. In > > > > > > > my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa > > things > > > > > have > > > > > > > been adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors > > like > > > > > bhukti > > > > > > > has been checked and I have heard others tell me to about > > > lord not > > > > > > > bein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a > > message > > > > > with > > > > > > > confidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it > from my > > > > > > > experience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have > > talked > > > > > about > > > > > > > lagna lord too. > > > > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > > > > > > Sunit Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)" > > > > > > > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- ------ > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Praveen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows > > > > > something else > > > > > > > like denial of fruits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Praveen Kumar > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM > > > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kanupriya, > > > > > > > > First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or > > > malefic. If > > > > > > > benefic, it would take away the beneficence and would > give the > > > > > person > > > > > > > concerned a stout body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Praveen Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 12, 2002 as for my chart, details are as follows: birth date: 13.10.1955 birth place: vijayawada, a.p. (long. 80:36E, lat. 16:31N) time of birth: 11:48 ist planetary position: asc sagittarius 14:51:45 sun virgo 25:53:40 moon leo 25:15:34 mars virgo 06:37:19 merc® virgo 27:12:47 jupiter leo 02:04:51 venus libra 07:03:01 saturn libra 26:32:54 rahu® scorpio 27:04:09 ketu® taurus 27:04:09 hersch cancer 08:46:58 neptune libra 04:24:09 pluto leo 04:47:49 running dasa jupiter-saturn-rahu till 22/03/2003 hope this will give a broad picture. as on today the mental status is towards suicide because of financial problems. at present sitting idle without any settlement in life. hope the learned pundits on this forum can throw some light on this. t. v. rao - Katti Narahari (Aditya) vedic astrology Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:23 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Gurave Namah Dear Mr Rao, The problems could be because of moon and not just lagna lord jupiter. Lagna lord jupiter is afflicted with the 8th lord. Ofcourse, the entire chart is always better for particulars. Regds Hari - tvrao_agd vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 6:15 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. i fully agree with mr. sunit mehta. even i am facing the same problem incase of lagna lord's dasa.mine is sagittarius lagna and lagna lord jupiter is in ninth house withmoon. since the lagna lord dasa i am having tremendous problems and as ontoday, i have lot of trouble in day to day considerations.t. v. rao----- Original Message -----"hmm" <studd2hott >To: <vedic astrology>Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM[vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> Dear Katti,> Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true. In> my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things have> been adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like bhukti> has been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord not> bein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message with> confidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from my> experience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked about> lagna lord too.> Om namah shivaya,> Sunit Mehta>> --- In vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"> <kattinarahari@h...> wrote:> > Om Gurave Namah> >> >> --> >> > Dear Praveen,> >> > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows something else> like denial of fruits.> >> > Regds> >> > Hari> > ----- Original Message -----> > Praveen Kumar> > vedic astrology> > Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM> > Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.> >> >> > Dear Kanupriya,> > First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. If> benefic, it would take away the beneficence and would give the person> concerned a stout body.> >> > Praveen Kumar> >> >> > Archives: vedic astrology> >> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> >> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> >> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||> >> > Your use of is subject to the >>>> Archives: vedic astrology>> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......>> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||>> Your use of is subject to >>Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 12, 2002 If you see transit retro Sa is aspecting natal dasha lord Ju very closely right now.Also Su is debilitated and Ma is return all in transit.You are feeling the loss of zest in life. Totally the sub of Mer cury next summer should definitely turn things for the better. It is the 10th lord very well placed.The upcoming Ju transits are also favorable.The pratyantar of Ju in march should get the wheels rolling. Hope you feel better. Thanks.....hanna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 12, 2002 Dear Ishwar, Nice comment on lagna and lord and it being satya peetha. I learnt a lot. Brother Visti too confirmed with me. God bless you, Sunit Mehta vedic astrology, "avikrishna" <avikrishna> wrote: > Dear sunit: > > Generally in charts lagna is the first house and all other houses are > referenced from there. It is not common practice to have two > references in same chart i.e one from lagna and another from aries > and also confusing. > > Generally speaking lagna lord cannot be a malefic (It is also the > opinion of the gurus) > > > It should always be a benefic as lagna is the satya peetha, the true > self. The benefic and malefic interpretation could also be relative, > could be illusory. what happens as good may not be perceived as good. > Again to interpret the malefic of benefic aspect depend to be seen > from the chart > > > Ishwar > > > vedic astrology, "hmm" <studd2hott> wrote: > > Dear Hari, > > I meant the generic signs. Dont all the charts have aries as the > first > > house in the zodiac, 8th from it is the 8th house which is scorpio > > though the natural sign is virgo in it. I meant Rahu in the 8th > house > > for aquarius lagna if Rahu is stronger and becomes Lord. > > regards, > > Sunit > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)" > > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > -- > ------------ > > > > > > Dear Sunit, > > > > > > What's the logic in taking the starting point from Aries? i have > > been taught lagna is the first house! > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Hari > > > - > > > hmm > > > vedic astrology > > > Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:53 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > > > > > > > > Dear Nimmi and the rest, > > > Correction....I meant the 8th house which is scorpio if we take > aries > > > as 1st. Sorry about that and thank u for pointing it out. > > > Sunit Mehta > > > vedic astrology, "hmm" <studd2hott> wrote: > > > > Dear Nimmi, > > > > It is exactly what I mean.....lagna lord rahu in scorpio in > 8th. > > > > obviously for aquarian ascendant. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunit Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Nimmi Ragavan" > <106350.3660@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > How can lagna lord Rahu be in Scorpio in the 8th? Rahu can > only be > > > lagna > > > > > lord for Aquarius lagna. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > Nimmi > > > > > - > > > > > "hmm" <studd2hott> > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:05 AM > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Hari, > > > > > > My comment on being 100% right when posting a message was > > related to > > > > > > the fact that it is a very vague thing to say that lagna > > lord is > > > > > > always benefic...do me a favor...look into charts who's > > lagna lord > > > > > > falls in 8th and tell me that it has been good for them. > If > > u happen > > > > > > to cross 1/10 I will change my opinion. No offense to be > > > taken..its an > > > > > > experiment. Malefic lagna lords cause more adversity > during > > > their dasa > > > > > > as compared to benefics. I believe the lagna lord will > protect > > > > > > you..and I will keep it at that. If you give me one case > in > > which > > > > > > lagna lord Rahu in scorpio in 8th has been benefic I will > > start to > > > > > > think harder about your statement...once again..no > offense to be > > > taken > > > > > > Hari..we are all learning. > > > > > > God Bless us all, > > > > > > Sunit Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)" > > > > > > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ------ > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Rao, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems could be because of moon and not just > lagna lord > > > > > > jupiter. Lagna lord jupiter is afflicted with the 8th > lord. > > > Ofcourse, > > > > > > the entire chart is always better for particulars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > tvrao_agd > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > Monday, November 11, 2002 6:15 PM > > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i fully agree with mr. sunit mehta. even i am facing > the > > same > > > > > > problem in > > > > > > > case of lagna lord's dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mine is sagittarius lagna and lagna lord jupiter is > in ninth > > > house > > > > > > with > > > > > > > moon. since the lagna lord dasa i am having tremendous > > problems > > > > > > and as on > > > > > > > today, i have lot of trouble in day to day > considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. v. rao > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > "hmm" <studd2hott> > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Katti, > > > > > > > > Your inference of the lagna lord being always > benefic > > is not > > > > > > true. In > > > > > > > > my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its > mahadasa > > > things > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the > factors > > > like > > > > > > bhukti > > > > > > > > has been checked and I have heard others tell me to > about > > > > lord not > > > > > > > > bein g benefic always...one suggestion..before > posting a > > > message > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > confidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is > it > > from my > > > > > > > > experience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and > I have > > > talked > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > lagna lord too. > > > > > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > > > > > > > Sunit Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari > (Aditya)" > > > > > > > > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ------ > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Praveen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression > shows > > > > > > something else > > > > > > > > like denial of fruits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > Praveen Kumar > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana > Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kanupriya, > > > > > > > > > First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural > benefic or > > > > malefic. If > > > > > > > > benefic, it would take away the beneficence and > would > > give the > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > concerned a stout body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Praveen Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > @e... > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2002 dear mr. hanna, thank you for your reading. but, i have my own doubts about my living till that time considering my present troubles and mental status. t. v. rao - hm1900 (AT) aol (DOT) com vedic astrology Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:59 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Mr Rao.it has been a combination of Sub period of Sa and its transits afflicting the Ve 11th lord of gains.Pratyantar of Ra does not help much either.If you see transit retro Sa is aspecting natal dasha lord Ju very closely right now.Also Su is debilitated and Ma is return all in transit.You are feeling the loss of zest in life.Totally the sub of Mer cury next summer should definitely turn things for the better. It is the 10th lord very well placed.The upcoming Ju transits are also favorable.The pratyantar of Ju in march should get the wheels rolling.Hope you feel better.Thanks.....hanna Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2002 With due respect,I fail to understand the difference between Dosha and affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other an english word. Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading Benefics and Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo. If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more malefic in that order. If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source about kendradhipati Doshas. By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Chandrashekhar, Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the native works, but theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no real ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear friends, Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati? Chandrashekhar. - j.k. dasgupta vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. dear sunit, i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion and continue the process of learning..so question of being 100% right does not come at all. however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord always protects..the way may differ, not neccessary that it will only pamper us. i would request you to post your birth details and your analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from it. regards dasgupta - Katti Narahari (Aditya) vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Gurave Namah Dear Sunit, Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I can be only confident when I post and learn in the process. This is what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are u!. I can only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in this esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I don't think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An inherently bad person can also do good just as a good person by default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions to lagna lord is a different matter as is retrogression. Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with you too! I hope. Regds Hari - hmm vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Katti,Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true. Inmy case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things havebeen adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like bhuktihas been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord notbein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message withconfidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from myexperience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked aboutlagna lord too.Om namah shivaya,Sunit Mehtavedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"<kattinarahari@h...> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> >--> > Dear Praveen,> > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows something elselike denial of fruits.> > Regds> > Hari> ----- Original Message ----- > Praveen Kumar > vedic astrology > Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.> > > Dear Kanupriya,> First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. Ifbenefic, it would take away the beneficence and would give the personconcerned a stout body.> > Praveen Kumar> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2002 thanks tvr - hm1900 (AT) aol (DOT) com vedic astrology Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:20 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Mr Rao, please hang in there.Have faith.you are on the threshhold of better times.Hanna Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 14, 2002 Hi, >From memory, I think Laghu Parashari says that 'Benefics lose their beneficence by owning quadrants and malefics their maleficence by owning trines'. This does not equate to becoming malefic. Merely modification of their nature. I think it may not be appropriate to think of the planets flip-flopping like binary bits between malefic and benefic effects. It may be better to think of them somewhat like individuals with varying behaviour, including both malefic and benefic effects, depending on the context. The mix of effects would depend on their placement, associations, nature, ownership, relative strength vis a vis dispositors of various kinds, navamsha position etc. Since quadrants require effort, perhaps the ownership of 2 quadrants takes away easy gains promised by benefics and forces hard effort to obtain results. Similarly since trines make things easy, the malefics which usually cause delay and hard work, adjust themselves and reduce the effort they would otherwise require. Regards, Nimmi - Chandrashekhar Sharma vedic astrology Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:55 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Visti, With due respect,I fail to understand the difference between Dosha and affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other an english word. Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading Benefics and Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo. If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more malefic in that order. If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source about kendradhipati Doshas. By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Chandrashekhar, Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the native works, but theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no real ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear friends, Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati? Chandrashekhar. - j.k. dasgupta vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. dear sunit, i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion and continue the process of learning..so question of being 100% right does not come at all. however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord always protects..the way may differ, not neccessary that it will only pamper us. i would request you to post your birth details and your analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from it. regards dasgupta - Katti Narahari (Aditya) vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Gurave Namah Dear Sunit, Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I can be only confident when I post and learn in the process. This is what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are u!. I can only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in this esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I don't think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An inherently bad person can also do good just as a good person by default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions to lagna lord is a different matter as is retrogression. Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with you too! I hope. Regds Hari - hmm vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Katti,Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true. Inmy case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things havebeen adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like bhuktihas been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord notbein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message withconfidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from myexperience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked aboutlagna lord too.Om namah shivaya,Sunit Mehtavedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"<kattinarahari@h...> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> >--> > Dear Praveen,> > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows something elselike denial of fruits.> > Regds> > Har i> -----! Original Message ----- > Praveen Kumar > vedic astrology > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.> > > Dear Kanupriya,> First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 14, 2002 Hi, If Jupiter lord of 4th and 7th for virgo lagna lose it benificience as being kendra lord aquiring kendradhipati dosha then how can it be termed as Panchmahapurusha yoga [Hamsa Yoga] if jupiter becomes powerless??? Regards Pratap --- Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 wrote: > Hi, > > From memory, I think Laghu Parashari says that > 'Benefics lose their beneficence by owning quadrants > and malefics their maleficence by owning trines'. > This does not equate to becoming malefic. Merely > modification of their nature. > > I think it may not be appropriate to think of the > planets flip-flopping like binary bits between > malefic and benefic effects. It may be better to > think of them somewhat like individuals with varying > behaviour, including both malefic and benefic > effects, depending on the context. The mix of > effects would depend on their placement, > associations, nature, ownership, relative strength > vis a vis dispositors of various kinds, navamsha > position etc. > > Since quadrants require effort, perhaps the > ownership of 2 quadrants takes away easy gains > promised by benefics and forces hard effort to > obtain results. Similarly since trines make things > easy, the malefics which usually cause delay and > hard work, adjust themselves and reduce the effort > they would otherwise require. > > Regards, > > Nimmi > - > Chandrashekhar Sharma > vedic astrology > Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:55 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana > Lord. > > > Dear Visti, > With due respect,I fail to understand the > difference between Dosha and affliction barring that > one is Sanskrit and other an english word. > Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , > at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under > heading Benefics and Malefics for each Lagna.He > designates Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and > Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo. > If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find > that not only is kendradhipati dosha is treated as > serious but it is said that Jupiter and Venus are > more and more malefic in that order. > If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha > Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will find them getting > not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas > of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other > Kendras as these are also shubha grahas barring the > case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord > is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or > Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in > my source about kendradhipati Doshas. > By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian. > - > Visti Larsen > vedic astrology > Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana > Lord. > > > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om > > ---------- > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but is > a dosha for lack of results. This means that the > native works, but theres no energy for the creative > part of the results.. no real ailments. > > So why are you worrying about this? Also > Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for planets > lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the > dosha is removed. > > This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's > article i sent a link to you about. > > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: > vedic astrologybphs.zip > iTRANS 99 Font: > http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html > - > Chandrashekhar > vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro > Lagana Lord. > > > Dear friends, > Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts > Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that > Jupiter and Venus are more and more inimical as > Kendradhipati? > Chandrashekhar. > - > j.k. dasgupta > vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro > Lagana Lord. > > > dear sunit, > > i fully agree with hari, this place is for > discussion and continue the process of learning..so > question of being 100% right does not come at all. > > however, i also agree with hari that lagna > lord always protects..the way may differ, not > neccessary that it will only pamper us. i would > request you to post your birth details and your > analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from > it. > > regards > > dasgupta > - > Katti Narahari (Aditya) > vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro > Lagana Lord. > > > Om Gurave Namah > > ---- > > Dear Sunit, > > Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look > at it is I can be only confident when I post and > learn in the process. This is what Sanjay guru and > my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that > is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are > u!. > > I can only be right when I post. If I am > wrong, my guru will correct me and hence I gain... > if I am right I still gain. > > If all people in this esteemed list start > posting only if they are confident, then I don't > think anyone will learn. > > As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was > thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in > a chart. An inherently bad person can also do good > just as a good person by default can create a lot of > havoc. In the context of functional benefics and > malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. > Afflictions to lagna lord is a different matter as > is retrogression. > > Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s > ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with you too! I > hope. > > Regds > > Hari > > - > hmm > vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Retro > Lagana Lord. > > > Dear Katti, > Your inference of the lagna lord being > always benefic is not true. In > my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and > since its mahadasa things have > been adverse, rahu is in virgo in > 8th..rest of the factors like bhukti > has been checked and I have heard others > tell me to about lord not > bein g benefic always...one > suggestion..before posting a message with > confidence ask yourself.....am I 100% > right.....is it from my > experience in reading charts.....Brother > Visti === message truncated === ______________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. visit http://in.tv. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 14, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Dear Pratap, Hamsa yoga is formed when jup is in his own house or exalted AND also in a kendra from lagna. Hence if for virgo lagna jup is placed in Saggi or PI alone Hamsa yoga is formed and Kendradhipati dosha is not applicable. In all other situations, jupiter carries the blemish of kendradhipati dosha. Hope this helps Regds Hari - Pratap Kumar P vedic astrology Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:44 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Hi, If Jupiter lord of 4th and 7th for virgo lagna loseit benificience as being kendra lord aquiringkendradhipati dosha then how can it be termed asPanchmahapurusha yoga [Hamsa Yoga] if jupiter becomespowerless???RegardsPratap --- Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote:> Hi,> > From memory, I think Laghu Parashari says that> 'Benefics lose their beneficence by owning quadrants> and malefics their maleficence by owning trines'.> This does not equate to becoming malefic. Merely> modification of their nature.> > I think it may not be appropriate to think of the> planets flip-flopping like binary bits between> malefic and benefic effects. It may be better to> think of them somewhat like individuals with varying> behaviour, including both malefic and benefic> effects, depending on the context. The mix of> effects would depend on their placement,> associations, nature, ownership, relative strength> vis a vis dispositors of various kinds, navamsha> position etc.> > Since quadrants require effort, perhaps the> ownership of 2 quadrants takes away easy gains> promised by benefics and forces hard effort to> obtain results. Similarly since trines make things> easy, the malefics which usually cause delay and> hard work, adjust themselves and reduce the effort> they would otherwise require.> > Regards,> > Nimmi> - > Chandrashekhar Sharma > vedic astrology > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:55 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana> Lord.> > > Dear Visti,> With due respect,I fail to understand the> difference between Dosha and affliction barring that> one is Sanskrit and other an english word.> Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope ,> at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under> heading Benefics and Malefics for each Lagna.He> designates Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and> Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo.> If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find> that not only is kendradhipati dosha is treated as> serious but it is said that Jupiter and Venus are> more and more malefic in that order.> If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha> Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will find them getting> not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas> of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other> Kendras as these are also shubha grahas barring the> case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord> is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or> Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in> my source about kendradhipati Doshas.> By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.> - > Visti Larsen > vedic astrology > Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana> Lord.> > > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om> >----------> > Dear Chandrashekhar,> Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but is> a dosha for lack of results. This means that the> native works, but theres no energy for the creative> part of the results.. no real ailments.> > So why are you worrying about this? Also> Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for planets> lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the> dosha is removed.> > This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's> article i sent a link to you about.> > Best wishes> Visti> ---> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:>vedic astrologybphs.zip> iTRANS 99 Font:>http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html> - > Chandrashekhar > To: vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro> Lagana Lord.> > > Dear friends,> Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts> Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that> Jupiter and Venus are more and more inimical as> Kendradhipati?> Chandrashekhar.> ----- Original Message ----- > j.k. dasgupta > To: vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro> Lagana Lord.> > > dear sunit,> > i fully agree with hari, this place is for> discussion and continue the process of learning..so> question of being 100% right does not come at all.> > however, i also agree with hari that lagna> lord always protects..the way may differ, not> neccessary that it will only pamper us. i would> request you to post your birth details and your> analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from> it.> > regards> > dasgupta> - > Katti Narahari (Aditya) > vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro> Lagana Lord.> > > Om Gurave Namah> >----> > Dear Sunit,> > Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look> at it is I can be only confident when I post and> learn in the process. This is what Sanjay guru and> my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that> is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are> u!. > > I can only be right when I post. If I am> wrong, my guru will correct me and hence I gain...> if I am right I still gain.> > If all people in this esteemed list start> posting only if they are confident, then I don't> think anyone will learn.> > As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was> thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in> a chart. An inherently bad person can also do good> just as a good person by default can create a lot of> havoc. In the context of functional benefics and> malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm.> Afflictions to lagna lord is a different matter as> is retrogression.> > Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s> ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with you too! I> hope.> > Regds> > Hari> > - > hmm > To: vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM> [vedic astrology] Re: Retro> Lagana Lord.> > > Dear Katti,> Your inference of the lagna lord being> always benefic is not true. In> my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and> since its mahadasa things have> been adverse, rahu is in virgo in> 8th..rest of the factors like bhukti> has been checked and I have heard others> tell me to about lord not> bein g benefic always...one> suggestion..before posting a message with> confidence ask yourself.....am I 100%> right.....is it from my> experience in reading charts.....Brother> Visti === message truncated === ______________________Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. visit http://in.tv.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 14, 2002 Om Krishna Guru! *************** Hare Rama Krishna! ***************** Om Namo Naaraayaanaana! ********************** Dear Guruji and Friends! My Guruji (Vistiji) happen to give me the functional nature of the planets as an assignment sometime back and as part of that I learned that Lagna Lord never acts as functional malefics. The reasons are 1) Lagna represents everything about the self, hence its lord cannot be malefic towards itself (Just as no person in this world becomes malefics towards him/herself). 2) Lagna is both Kendra and Kona hence Lord of the lagna in a sense appears to become Yogakaraka. Ofcourse no standard text has mentioned lagna lord as Yogakaraka, I am just trying to bring to your notice about the benefic nature by comparing it with a real Yogakaraka planet. Hence Lagna lord can never be a functional malefic. If during any of the Dasa periods of the Lagna lord is acting against the native then it should be due to the aspects of other malefic planets on the Lagna and its lord. And those negative events are just the manifestation of the Graha Dristi (Desire) of those malefic planet(s). One more thing is, by acquiring lordship of Kendra a benefic planet won't become functional malefic, instead it just becomes less benefic i.e., it benefic nature lessens. Losing the benefic nature does not mean it will become malefic. (For example a person who is more generous and charitable if stops his charities does not mean that the person has become greedy or bad.) And the magnitude of losing the benefic nature is more for Jupiter and Venus compared to Mercury. And Moon loses very less when compared to even mercury. I am still working out on the functional nature of the planets. My work is half done at this moment. Once I complete my assignment and when my Guruji Visti corrects my work I will put the work on the list in the benefit of all of us. Thanking Visti Guruji for his perfect teachings, PK vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Visti,With due respect,I fail to understand the difference between Dosha and affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other an english word.Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading Benefics and Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo. If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more malefic in that order.If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source about kendradhipati Doshas.By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.----- Original Message ----- Visti Larsen vedic astrology Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AMRe: [vedic- astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om > > Dear Chandrashekhar,Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the native works, but theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no real ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about. Best wishes > Visti > --- > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic- astrologybphs.zip > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda- ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html- Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13 PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > Dear friends,Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati?Chandrashekhar.----- Original Message ----- j.k. dasgupta vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > dear sunit, i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion and continue the process of learning..so question of being 100% right does not come at all. however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord always protects..the way may differ, not neccessary that it will only pamper us. i would request you to post your birth details and your analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from it. regards dasgupta- Katti Narahari (Aditya) vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Sunit, Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I can be only confident when I post and learn in the process. This is what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are u!. I can only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in this esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I don't think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An inherently bad person can also do good just as a good person by default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions to lagna lord is a different matter as is retrogression. Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with you too! I hope. Regds Hari - hmm vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM[vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > Dear Katti, > Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true. In > my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things have > been adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like bhukti > has been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord not > bein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message with > confidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from my > experience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked about > lagna lord too. > Om namah shivaya, > Sunit Mehta > > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)" > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > -- ------------ > > > > Dear Praveen, > > > > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows something else > like denial of fruits. > > > > Regds > > > > Hari > > - > > Praveen Kumar > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord. > > > > > > Dear Kanupriya, > > First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. If > benefic, it would take away the beneficence and would give the person > concerned a stout body. > > > > Praveen Kumar > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 14, 2002 Dear PKVIRUS !!!!! The dasa of the lagna lord when bad is not solely due to the dristi of other planets on lagna. From what i believe adversity and happiness are brought about by planets usually when activated in their dasa, bhukti. If lagnadhipati is in 8th house and dasa is bad, will you blame it on planets affecting lagna ? What if there was a dasa/bhukti of another planet and not the lagna lord, malefics would still affect the lagna in their respective rasi and graha dristi in respective positions. Would the period still be bad. Das Goravini too believes that lagnesh in 8th during its dasa is extremely adverse, more so if afflicted, whether a good or adverse dristi on the lagna during that period. Regards, Sunit. (Dont get me no Virus !!!) vedic astrology, "PK" <pkvirus99> wrote: > Om Krishna Guru! > *************** > > Hare Rama Krishna! > ***************** > > Om Namo Naaraayaanaana! > ********************** > > Dear Guruji and Friends! > > My Guruji (Vistiji) happen to give me the functional nature > of the planets as an assignment sometime back and as part of that I > learned that Lagna Lord never acts as functional malefics. The > reasons are > 1) Lagna represents everything about the self, hence its lord > cannot be malefic towards itself (Just as no person in this world > becomes malefics towards him/herself). > 2) Lagna is both Kendra and Kona hence Lord of the lagna in a > sense appears to become Yogakaraka. Ofcourse no standard text has > mentioned lagna lord as Yogakaraka, I am just trying to bring to your > notice about the benefic nature by comparing it with a real > Yogakaraka planet. > Hence Lagna lord can never be a functional malefic. If during > any of the Dasa periods of the Lagna lord is acting against the > native then it should be due to the aspects of other malefic planets > on the Lagna and its lord. And those negative events are just the > manifestation of the Graha Dristi (Desire) of those malefic planet(s). > One more thing is, by acquiring lordship of Kendra a benefic > planet won't become functional malefic, instead it just becomes less > benefic i.e., it benefic nature lessens. Losing the benefic nature > does not mean it will become malefic. (For example a person who is > more generous and charitable if stops his charities does not mean > that the person has become greedy or bad.) And the magnitude of > losing the benefic nature is more for Jupiter and Venus compared to > Mercury. And Moon loses very less when compared to even mercury. > I am still working out on the functional nature of the > planets. My work is half done at this moment. Once I complete my > assignment and when my Guruji Visti corrects my work I will put the > work on the list in the benefit of all of us. > > Thanking Visti Guruji for his perfect teachings, > PK > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel> > wrote: > > Dear Visti,With due respect,I fail to understand the difference > between Dosha and affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other > an english word.Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at > page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading Benefics and > Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for > saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo. > If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is > kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter > and Venus are more and more malefic in that order.If you analyse > horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will > find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas > of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are > also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where > the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra > Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source about > kendradhipati Doshas.By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.----- > Original Message ----- Visti Larsen vedic astrology > Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AMRe: [vedic- > astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but > is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the native works, but > theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no real > ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati > Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a > trikona, hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in > Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about. Best wishes > > Visti > > --- > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic- > astrologybphs.zip > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda- > ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html- > Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November 11, > 2002 7:13 PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > Dear friends,Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts > Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and Venus > are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati?Chandrashekhar.----- > Original Message ----- j.k. dasgupta vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PMRe: [vedic astrology] > Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > dear sunit, i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion > and continue the process of learning..so question of being 100% right > does not come at all. however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord > always protects..the way may differ, not neccessary that it will only > pamper us. i would request you to post your birth details and your > analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from it. regards > dasgupta- Katti Narahari (Aditya) > vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 > PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Sunit, Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I > can be only confident when I post and learn in the process. This is > what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, > that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are u!. I can > only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and > hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in this > esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I don't > think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was > thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An > inherently bad person can also do good just as a good person by > default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional > benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions > to lagna lord is a different matter as is retrogression. Thanks again > for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with > you too! I hope. Regds Hari - hmm > vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 > PM[vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > Dear Katti, > > Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true. > In > > my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things > have > > been adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like > bhukti > > has been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord not > > bein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message > with > > confidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from my > > experience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked > about > > lagna lord too. > > Om namah shivaya, > > Sunit Mehta > > > > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)" > > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > -- > ------------ > > > > > > Dear Praveen, > > > > > > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows something > else > > like denial of fruits. > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Hari > > > - > > > Praveen Kumar > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord. > > > > > > > > > Dear Kanupriya, > > > First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. If > > benefic, it would take away the beneficence and would give the > person > > concerned a stout body. > > > > > > Praveen Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 14, 2002 Dear Sunit! Infact you have mentioned few good points which I forgot to add in my earlier post. Yes it is not only the Graha Drishti it can be Rasi Drishti also. Moreover by placement of the planet in any of the dusthanas (3rd/6th/8th/11th) houses may also cause the problem to the native. But again the placement of Lord of the lagna in those dusthanas does not mean the planet has become malefic towards the self, the negative results should be attributed to the house in which it is placed. If a person stays in the prison does not mean that person is a criminal, he can be honest police officer also. And even honest police officer also suffers sometimes due to the the environment in which he is rendering his duties. In this case criminal environment around him causes him mental tensions etc but still he will be trying to uplift the crimals. Regarding the malefic nature, if the planet misbehaves with somebody/something then it will be considered as malefic. But as you said the native is suffering with the negative results during the dasa period of the lagna lord, probably it could be due to its placement in a bad house. (Police officers analogy above). If a person becomes malefic then he will act malefic towards others. But if person is suffering with negative results then some other negative force is acting on the person but not himself. Hence the negative results that you were talking are due to those negative effects BY those others on the native. Regarding the functional nature of the planets when a planet becomes functional malefic/benefic we need to question "FOR WHOM / TOWARDS WHOM?". As loss of somebody is the gain of some other, so also is the case with functional nature of the planets. If a planet has become malefic then we need to question for whom it has become malefic. As the topic is regarding the malefic nature of the Lord of Lagna, if lagna lord is functional malefic then it will not be malefic towards the native. It should be malefic towards some others. Regards, PK vedic astrology, "hmm" <studd2hott> wrote: > Dear PKVIRUS !!!!! > The dasa of the lagna lord when bad is not solely due to the dristi of > other planets on lagna. From what i believe adversity and happiness > are brought about by planets usually when activated in their dasa, > bhukti. If lagnadhipati is in 8th house and dasa is bad, will you > blame it on planets affecting lagna ? What if there was a dasa/bhukti > of another planet and not the lagna lord, malefics would still affect > the lagna in their respective rasi and graha dristi in respective > positions. Would the period still be bad. Das Goravini too believes > that lagnesh in 8th during its dasa is extremely adverse, more so if > afflicted, whether a good or adverse dristi on the lagna during that > period. > Regards, > Sunit. (Dont get me no Virus !!!) > > > vedic astrology, "PK" <pkvirus99> wrote: > > Om Krishna Guru! > > *************** > > > > Hare Rama Krishna! > > ***************** > > > > Om Namo Naaraayaanaana! > > ********************** > > > > Dear Guruji and Friends! > > > > My Guruji (Vistiji) happen to give me the functional nature > > of the planets as an assignment sometime back and as part of that I > > learned that Lagna Lord never acts as functional malefics. The > > reasons are > > 1) Lagna represents everything about the self, hence its lord > > cannot be malefic towards itself (Just as no person in this world > > becomes malefics towards him/herself). > > 2) Lagna is both Kendra and Kona hence Lord of the lagna in a > > sense appears to become Yogakaraka. Ofcourse no standard text has > > mentioned lagna lord as Yogakaraka, I am just trying to bring to your > > notice about the benefic nature by comparing it with a real > > Yogakaraka planet. > > Hence Lagna lord can never be a functional malefic. If during > > any of the Dasa periods of the Lagna lord is acting against the > > native then it should be due to the aspects of other malefic planets > > on the Lagna and its lord. And those negative events are just the > > manifestation of the Graha Dristi (Desire) of those malefic planet (s). > > One more thing is, by acquiring lordship of Kendra a benefic > > planet won't become functional malefic, instead it just becomes less > > benefic i.e., it benefic nature lessens. Losing the benefic nature > > does not mean it will become malefic. (For example a person who is > > more generous and charitable if stops his charities does not mean > > that the person has become greedy or bad.) And the magnitude of > > losing the benefic nature is more for Jupiter and Venus compared to > > Mercury. And Moon loses very less when compared to even mercury. > > I am still working out on the functional nature of the > > planets. My work is half done at this moment. Once I complete my > > assignment and when my Guruji Visti corrects my work I will put the > > work on the list in the benefit of all of us. > > > > Thanking Visti Guruji for his perfect teachings, > > PK > > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel> > > wrote: > > > Dear Visti,With due respect,I fail to understand the difference > > between Dosha and affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other > > an english word.Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at > > page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading Benefics and > > Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for > > saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo. > > If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is > > kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter > > and Venus are more and more malefic in that order.If you analyse > > horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will > > find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas > > of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are > > also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where > > the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra > > Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source about > > kendradhipati Doshas.By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.----- > > Original Message ----- Visti Larsen vedic- astrology > > Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AMRe: [vedic- > > astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but > > is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the native works, but > > theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no real > > ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati > > Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a > > trikona, hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in > > Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about. Best wishes > > > Visti > > > --- > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic- > > astrologybphs.zip > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda- > > ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html- > > Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November 11, > > 2002 7:13 PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > > Dear friends,Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts > > Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and Venus > > are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati?Chandrashekhar.----- > > Original Message ----- j.k. dasgupta vedic- astrology > > Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PMRe: [vedic- astrology] > > Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > > dear sunit, i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion > > and continue the process of learning..so question of being 100% right > > does not come at all. however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord > > always protects..the way may differ, not neccessary that it will only > > pamper us. i would request you to post your birth details and your > > analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from it. regards > > dasgupta- Katti Narahari (Aditya) > > vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 > > PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Sunit, Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I > > can be only confident when I post and learn in the process. This is > > what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, > > that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are u!. I can > > only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and > > hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in this > > esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I don't > > think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was > > thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An > > inherently bad person can also do good just as a good person by > > default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional > > benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions > > to lagna lord is a different matter as is retrogression. Thanks again > > for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with > > you too! I hope. Regds Hari - hmm > > vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 > > PM[vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. > > > Dear Katti, > > > Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true. > > In > > > my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things > > have > > > been adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like > > bhukti > > > has been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord not > > > bein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message > > with > > > confidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from my > > > experience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked > > about > > > lagna lord too. > > > Om namah shivaya, > > > Sunit Mehta > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)" > > > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- ---- > > ------------ > > > > > > > > Dear Praveen, > > > > > > > > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows something > > else > > > like denial of fruits. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > Hari > > > > - > > > > Praveen Kumar > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kanupriya, > > > > First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. If > > > benefic, it would take away the beneficence and would give the > > person > > > concerned a stout body. > > > > > > > > Praveen Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- @e... > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 14, 2002 Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Pk, The Dusthas are the 6th, 8th and 12th, whilst the lords of the 3rd, and 11th also act evil, as per Parasara. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - PK vedic astrology Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:19 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Sunit! Infact you have mentioned few good points which I forgot to add in my earlier post. Yes it is not only the Graha Drishti it can be Rasi Drishti also. Moreover by placement of the planet in any of the dusthanas (3rd/6th/8th/11th) houses may also cause the problem to the native. But again the placement of Lord of the lagna in those dusthanas does not mean the planet has become malefic towards the self, the negative results should be attributed to the house in which it is placed. If a person stays in the prison does not mean that person is a criminal, he can be honest police officer also. And even honest police officer also suffers sometimes due to the the environment in which he is rendering his duties. In this case criminal environment around him causes him mental tensions etc but still he will be trying to uplift the crimals. Regarding the malefic nature, if the planet misbehaves with somebody/something then it will be considered as malefic. But as you said the native is suffering with the negative results during the dasa period of the lagna lord, probably it could be due to its placement in a bad house. (Police officers analogy above). If a person becomes malefic then he will act malefic towards others. But if person is suffering with negative results then some other negative force is acting on the person but not himself. Hence the negative results that you were talking are due to those negative effects BY those others on the native. Regarding the functional nature of the planets when a planet becomes functional malefic/benefic we need to question "FOR WHOM / TOWARDS WHOM?". As loss of somebody is the gain of some other, so also is the case with functional nature of the planets. If a planet has become malefic then we need to question for whom it has become malefic. As the topic is regarding the malefic nature of the Lord of Lagna, if lagna lord is functional malefic then it will not be malefic towards the native. It should be malefic towards some others.Regards,PKvedic astrology, "hmm" <studd2hott> wrote:> Dear PKVIRUS !!!!!> The dasa of the lagna lord when bad is not solely due to the dristi of> other planets on lagna. From what i believe adversity and happiness> are brought about by planets usually when activated in their dasa,> bhukti. If lagnadhipati is in 8th house and dasa is bad, will you> blame it on planets affecting lagna ? What if there was a dasa/bhukti> of another planet and not the lagna lord, malefics would still affect> the lagna in their respective rasi and graha dristi in respective> positions. Would the period still be bad. Das Goravini too believes> that lagnesh in 8th during its dasa is extremely adverse, more so if> afflicted, whether a good or adverse dristi on the lagna during that> period.> Regards,> Sunit. (Dont get me no Virus !!!)> > > vedic astrology, "PK" <pkvirus99> wrote:> > Om Krishna Guru!> > ***************> > > > Hare Rama Krishna!> > *****************> > > > Om Namo Naaraayaanaana!> > **********************> > > > Dear Guruji and Friends!> > > > My Guruji (Vistiji) happen to give me the functional nature > > of the planets as an assignment sometime back and as part of that I > > learned that Lagna Lord never acts as functional malefics. The > > reasons are> > 1) Lagna represents everything about the self, hence its lord > > cannot be malefic towards itself (Just as no person in this world > > becomes malefics towards him/herself).> > 2) Lagna is both Kendra and Kona hence Lord of the lagna in a > > sense appears to become Yogakaraka. Ofcourse no standard text has > > mentioned lagna lord as Yogakaraka, I am just trying to bring to your > > notice about the benefic nature by comparing it with a real > > Yogakaraka planet.> > Hence Lagna lord can never be a functional malefic. If during > > any of the Dasa periods of the Lagna lord is acting against the > > native then it should be due to the aspects of other malefic planets > > on the Lagna and its lord. And those negative events are just the > > manifestation of the Graha Dristi (Desire) of those malefic planet(s).> > One more thing is, by acquiring lordship of Kendra a benefic > > planet won't become functional malefic, instead it just becomes less > > benefic i.e., it benefic nature lessens. Losing the benefic nature > > does not mean it will become malefic. (For example a person who is > > more generous and charitable if stops his charities does not mean > > that the person has become greedy or bad.) And the magnitude of > > losing the benefic nature is more for Jupiter and Venus compared to > > Mercury. And Moon loses very less when compared to even mercury.> > I am still working out on the functional nature of the > > planets. My work is half done at this moment. Once I complete my > > assignment and when my Guruji Visti corrects my work I will put the > > work on the list in the benefit of all of us.> > > > Thanking Visti Guruji for his perfect teachings,> > PK> > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel> > > wrote:> > > Dear Visti,With due respect,I fail to understand the difference > > between Dosha and affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other > > an english word.Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at > > page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading Benefics and > > Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for > > saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo. > > If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is > > kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter > > and Venus are more and more malefic in that order.If you analyse > > horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will > > find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas > > of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are > > also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where > > the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra > > Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source about > > kendradhipati Doshas.By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.----- > > Original Message ----- Visti Larsen vedic astrology > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AMRe: [vedic-> > astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> > > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but > > is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the native works, but > > theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no real > > ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati > > Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a > > trikona, hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in > > Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about. Best wishes> > > Visti> > > ---> > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic-> > astrologybphs.zip> > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-> > ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html- > > Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November 11, > > 2002 7:13 PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> > > Dear friends,Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts > > Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and Venus > > are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati?Chandrashekhar.----- > > Original Message ----- j.k. dasgupta vedic astrology > > Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PMRe: [vedic astrology] > > Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> > > dear sunit, i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion > > and continue the process of learning..so question of being 100% right > > does not come at all. however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord > > always protects..the way may differ, not neccessary that it will only > > pamper us. i would request you to post your birth details and your > > analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from it. regards > > dasgupta- Katti Narahari (Aditya) > > vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 > > PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > Dear Sunit, Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I > > can be only confident when I post and learn in the process. This is > > what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, > > that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are u!. I can > > only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and > > hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in this > > esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I don't > > think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was > > thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An > > inherently bad person can also do good just as a good person by > > default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional > > benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions > > to lagna lord is a different matter as is retrogression. Thanks again > > for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with > > you too! I hope. Regds Hari ----- Original Message ----- hmm > > vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 > > PM[vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> > > Dear Katti,> > > Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true. > > In> > > my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things > > have> > > been adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like > > bhukti> > > has been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord not> > > bein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message > > with> > > confidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from my> > > experience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked > > about> > > lagna lord too.> > > Om namah shivaya,> > > Sunit Mehta> > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"> > > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote:> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > > >> > > --> > ------------> > > > > > > > Dear Praveen,> > > > > > > > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows something > > else> > > like denial of fruits.> > > > > > > > Regds> > > > > > > > Hari> > > > - > > > > Praveen Kumar > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kanupriya,> > > > First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. If> > > benefic, it would take away the beneficence and would give the > > person> > > concerned a stout body.> > > > > > > > Praveen Kumar> > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > > > Group info: vedic-> > astrology/info.html> > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms of > > Service.> > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 14, 2002 Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Chandrashekhar, This goes to show that you didn't read that link i sent you, the first time this discussion came up. Dosha means 'fault'. There are many types of faults and they range from the most intense to mild. Mostly depending on the type of Dosha and the grahas involved. Kendradhipati Dosha doesn't alter the effects of planets, and only occurs when the trines aren't associated with the kendra, hence results aren't easily obtainable, as Sri Lakshmi(trines) isn't helping the native obtain results of their efforts. Heres a qoute from an old mail from Gurudeva: "Kendradhipatya Dosha applies to planets owning the quadrants. This Dosha ONLY results inreduction of effects and not their alteration." Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar Sharma vedic astrology Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:55 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Visti, With due respect,I fail to understand the difference between Dosha and affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other an english word. Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading Benefics and Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo. If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more malefic in that order. If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source about kendradhipati Doshas. By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Chandrashekhar, Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the native works, but theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no real ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear friends, Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati? Chandrashekhar. - j.k. dasgupta vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. dear sunit, i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion and continue the process of learning..so question of being 100% right does not come at all. however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord always protects..the way may differ, not neccessary that it will only pamper us. i would request you to post your birth details and your analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from it. regards dasgupta - Katti Narahari (Aditya) vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Gurave Namah Dear Sunit, Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I can be only confident when I post and learn in the process. This is what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are u!. I can only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in this esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I don't think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An inherently bad person can also do good just as a good person by default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions to lagna lord is a different matter as is retrogression. Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with you too! I hope. Regds Hari - hmm vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Katti,Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true. Inmy case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things havebeen adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like bhuktihas been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord notbein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message withconfidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from myexperience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked aboutlagna lord too.Om namah shivaya,Sunit Mehtavedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"<kattinarahari@h...> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> >--> > Dear Praveen,> > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows something elselike denial of fruits.> > Regds> > Hari> ----- Original Message ----- > Praveen Kumar > vedic astrology > Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.> > > Dear Kanupriya,> First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. Ifbenefic, it would take away the beneficence and would give the personconcerned a stout body.> > Praveen Kumar> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 14, 2002 Dear Nimmi, Find below the relevant shlokas of Laghu Parashari.If you have devanagari fonts you should be able to read them.(Shivaji1 font used).As a matter of fact I am not good a typing Devanagari but had written down Laghu parashari for my own academic interest. You should understand that a planet only becomes a yogakaraka if he owns an Angle as well as a trine.Now the typical argument is that since the Ascendant is both an Angle and a trine. Lord of ascendant is always a benefic.This appears correctg on the surface. However if we try to understand the basics, instead relying on mere Yogas which act like empirical formulae(to my mind and I may be wrong) the reason that Laghu Parashari gives great importance to Kendradhipati dosha becomes clear. You have to consider both houses owned by a planet when deciding how it is going to affect a jataka.In case of Jupiter and Mercury the second house owned by them is always an angle if they are Ascendant lord.Also when one is Ascendant lord other is lord of 7th the strongest of Marakasthanas. In case of Venus the other Benefic left, as already explained when he is Ascendant Lord the other house owned by him is always a Trishadaysthana.This is why it is said that jupiter and Venus are even more malefic the second more than the first. 6 savao- i~kaoNanaotarao ga`ha: SauBaflap`da: ptyais~YaDayaanaaM yaid papflap`da: 7 na idSaint SauBaM naRNaaM saaOmya: kond`aiQapayaid `kUraScaodSauBaM (oto `pbalaa }<arao<arma\ 10 kond`aiQap%yadaoYastu balavaana\ gau$Sau `kyaao: mark%vao|ip ca tyaaomaa-rksqaanasaMisqait: Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:53 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Hi, >From memory, I think Laghu Parashari says that 'Benefics lose their beneficence by owning quadrants and malefics their maleficence by owning trines'. This does not equate to becoming malefic. Merely modification of their nature. I think it may not be appropriate to think of the planets flip-flopping like binary bits between malefic and benefic effects. It may be better to think of them somewhat like individuals with varying behaviour, including both malefic and benefic effects, depending on the context. The mix of effects would depend on their placement, associations, nature, ownership, relative strength vis a vis dispositors of various kinds, navamsha position etc. Since quadrants require effort, perhaps the ownership of 2 quadrants takes away easy gains promised by benefics and forces hard effort to obtain results. Similarly since trines make things easy, the malefics which usually cause delay and hard work, adjust themselves and reduce the effort they would otherwise require. Regards, Nimmi - Chandrashekhar Sharma vedic astrology Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:55 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Visti, With due respect,I fail to understand the difference between Dosha and affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other an english word. Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading Benefics and Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo. If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more malefic in that order. If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source about kendradhipati Doshas. By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Chandrashekhar, Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the native works, but theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no real ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear friends, Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati? Chandrashekhar. - j.k. dasgupta vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. dear sunit, i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion and continue the process of learning..so question of being 100% right does not come at all. however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord always protects..the way may differ, not neccessary that it will only pamper us. i would request you to post your birth details and your analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from it. regards dasgupta - Katti Narahari (Aditya) vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Gurave Namah Dear Sunit, Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I can be only confident when I post and learn in the process. This is what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are u!. I can only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in this esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I don't think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An inherently bad person can also do good just as a good person by default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions to lagna lord is a different matter as is retrogression. Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with you too! I hope. Regds Hari - hmm vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Katti,Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true. Inmy case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things havebeen adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like bhuktihas been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord notbein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message withconfidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from myexperience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked aboutlagna lord too.Om namah shivaya,Sunit Mehtavedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"<kattinarahari@h...> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> >--> > Dear Praveen,> > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows something elselike denial of fruits.> > Regds> > Har i> -----! Original Message ----- > Praveen Kumar > vedic astrology > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.> > > Dear Kanupriya,> First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 14, 2002 Dear Pratapkumar, It is because of the aspects that he casts and the reason that the Kendradhipati dosha is removed when the Kendradhipati occupies his own house or exaltation house. Otherwise the extention of your logic would deny a Panch mahapurusha to Saturn. Chandrashekhar. - Pratap Kumar P vedic astrology Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:44 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Hi, If Jupiter lord of 4th and 7th for virgo lagna loseit benificience as being kendra lord aquiringkendradhipati dosha then how can it be termed asPanchmahapurusha yoga [Hamsa Yoga] if jupiter becomespowerless???RegardsPratap --- Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote:> Hi,> > From memory, I think Laghu Parashari says that> 'Benefics lose their beneficence by owning quadrants> and malefics their maleficence by owning trines'.> This does not equate to becoming malefic. Merely> modification of their nature.> > I think it may not be appropriate to think of the> planets flip-flopping like binary bits between> malefic and benefic effects. It may be better to> think of them somewhat like individuals with varying> behaviour, including both malefic and benefic> effects, depending on the context. The mix of> effects would depend on their placement,> associations, nature, ownership, relative strength> vis a vis dispositors of various kinds, navamsha> position etc.> > Since quadrants require effort, perhaps the> ownership of 2 quadrants takes away easy gains> promised by benefics and forces hard effort to> obtain results. Similarly since trines make things> easy, the malefics which usually cause delay and> hard work, adjust themselves and reduce the effort> they would otherwise require.> > Regards,> > Nimmi> - > Chandrashekhar Sharma > vedic astrology > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:55 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana> Lord.> > > Dear Visti,> With due respect,I fail to understand the> difference between Dosha and affliction barring that> one is Sanskrit and other an english word.> Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope ,> at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under> heading Benefics and Malefics for each Lagna.He> designates Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and> Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo.> If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find> that not only is kendradhipati dosha is treated as> serious but it is said that Jupiter and Venus are> more and more malefic in that order.> If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha> Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will find them getting> not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas> of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other> Kendras as these are also shubha grahas barring the> case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord> is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or> Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in> my source about kendradhipati Doshas.> By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.> - > Visti Larsen > vedic astrology > Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana> Lord.> > > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om> >----------> > Dear Chandrashekhar,> Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but is> a dosha for lack of results. This means that the> native works, but theres no energy for the creative> part of the results.. no real ailments.> > So why are you worrying about this? Also> Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for planets> lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the> dosha is removed.> > This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's> article i sent a link to you about.> > Best wishes> Visti> ---> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:>vedic astrologybphs.zip> iTRANS 99 Font:>http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html> - > Chandrashekhar > To: vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro> Lagana Lord.> > > Dear friends,> Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts> Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that> Jupiter and Venus are more and more inimical as> Kendradhipati?> Chandrashekhar.> ----- Original Message ----- > j.k. dasgupta > To: vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro> Lagana Lord.> > > dear sunit,> > i fully agree with hari, this place is for> discussion and continue the process of learning..so> question of being 100% right does not come at all.> > however, i also agree with hari that lagna> lord always protects..the way may differ, not> neccessary that it will only pamper us. i would> request you to post your birth details and your> analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from> it.> > regards> > dasgupta> - > Katti Narahari (Aditya) > vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro> Lagana Lord.> > > Om Gurave Namah> >----> > Dear Sunit,> > Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look> at it is I can be only confident when I post and> learn in the process. This is what Sanjay guru and> my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that> is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are> u!. > > I can only be right when I post. If I am> wrong, my guru will correct me and hence I gain...> if I am right I still gain.> > If all people in this esteemed list start> posting only if they are confident, then I don't> think anyone will learn.> > As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was> thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in> a chart. An inherently bad person can also do good> just as a good person by default can create a lot of> havoc. In the context of functional benefics and> malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm.> Afflictions to lagna lord is a different matter as> is retrogression.> > Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s> ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with you too! I> hope.> > Regds> > Hari> > - > hmm > To: vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM> [vedic astrology] Re: Retro> Lagana Lord.> > > Dear Katti,> Your inference of the lagna lord being> always benefic is not true. In> my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and> since its mahadasa things have> been adverse, rahu is in virgo in> 8th..rest of the factors like bhukti> has been checked and I have heard others> tell me to about lord not> bein g benefic always...one> suggestion..before posting a message with> confidence ask yourself.....am I 100%> right.....is it from my> experience in reading charts.....Brother> Visti === message truncated === ______________________Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. visit http://in.tv.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 14, 2002 Dear Visti, Please see my posting to nimmi raghavan wherein I have given the shlokas of Laghu parashari. Also I find that Gurudeo's statement doesnot refer to Kendradhipati dosha caused to benefic planets. I think he is commenting on the fact that mere ownership of kendra does not confer Yogakaraka power to a planet.I too agree that any dosha merely reduces the power in the sameway as any good yoga only increases the power and it does not totally wipe out the basic nature of a planet.But it could not make an unadulterated benefic by mere reason of being Lord of ascendant, which was the point under discussion. I think there are also other reasons that Benefics owning kendras make them Doshayukta.Jupiter is known to harm the place in which he is posited, whereas Saturn will never harm the sthana where he is posited even if he does not give very good result to that sthana. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Thursday, November 14, 2002 10:49 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Chandrashekhar, This goes to show that you didn't read that link i sent you, the first time this discussion came up. Dosha means 'fault'. There are many types of faults and they range from the most intense to mild. Mostly depending on the type of Dosha and the grahas involved. Kendradhipati Dosha doesn't alter the effects of planets, and only occurs when the trines aren't associated with the kendra, hence results aren't easily obtainable, as Sri Lakshmi(trines) isn't helping the native obtain results of their efforts. Heres a qoute from an old mail from Gurudeva: "Kendradhipatya Dosha applies to planets owning the quadrants. This Dosha ONLY results inreduction of effects and not their alteration." Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar Sharma vedic astrology Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:55 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Visti, With due respect,I fail to understand the difference between Dosha and affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other an english word. Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading Benefics and Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo. If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more malefic in that order. If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source about kendradhipati Doshas. By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Chandrashekhar, Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the native works, but theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no real ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear friends, Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati? Chandrashekhar. - j.k. dasgupta vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. dear sunit, i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion and continue the process of learning..so question of being 100% right does not come at all. however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord always protects..the way may differ, not neccessary that it will only pamper us. i would request you to post your birth details and your analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from it. regards dasgupta - Katti Narahari (Aditya) vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Gurave Namah Dear Sunit, Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I can be only confident when I post and learn in the process. This is what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are u!. I can only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in this esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I don't think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An inherently bad person can also do good just as a good person by default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions to lagna lord is a different matter as is retrogression. Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with you too! I hope. Regds Hari - hmm vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Katti,Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true. Inmy case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things havebeen adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like bhuktihas been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord notbein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message withconfidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from myexperience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked aboutlagna lord too.Om namah shivaya,Sunit Mehtavedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"<kattinarahari@h...> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> >--> > Dear Praveen,> > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows something elselike denial of fruits.> > Regds> > Hari> ----- Original Message ----- > Praveen Kumar > vedic astrology > Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.> > > Dear Kanupriya,> First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 14, 2002 What about lagna lord in 12th place??Say lagna lord jupiter is in aquarius?? Regards Raji hmm <studd2hott > wrote: Dear PKVIRUS !!!!!The dasa of the lagna lord when bad is not solely due to the dristi ofother planets on lagna. From what i believe adversity and happinessare brought about by planets usually when activated in their dasa,bhukti. If lagnadhipati is in 8th house and dasa is bad, will youblame it on planets affecting lagna ? What if there was a dasa/bhuktiof another planet and not the lagna lord, malefics would still affectthe lagna in their respective rasi and graha dristi in respectivepositions. Would the period still be bad. Das Goravini too believesthat lagnesh in 8th during its dasa is extremely adverse, more so ifafflicted, whether a good or adverse dristi on the lagna during thatperiod.Regards,Sunit. (Dont get me no Virus !!!)--- In vedic astrology, "PK" <pkvirus99> wrote:> Om Krishna Guru!> ***************> > Hare Rama Krishna!> *****************> > Om Namo Naaraayaanaana!> **********************> > Dear Guruji and Friends!> > My Guruji (Vistiji) happen to give me the functional nature > of the planets as an assignment sometime back and as part of that I > learned that Lagna Lord never acts as functional malefics. The > reasons are> 1) Lagna represents everything about the self, hence its lord > cannot be malefic towards itself (Just as no person in this world > becomes malefics towards him/herself).> 2) Lagna is both Kendra and Kona hence Lord of the lagna in a > sense appears to become Yogakaraka. Ofcourse no standard text has > mentioned lagna lord as Yogakaraka, I am just trying to bring to your > notice about the benefic nature by comparing it with a real > Yogakaraka planet.> Hence Lagna lord can never be a functional malefic. If during > any of the Dasa periods of the Lagna lord is acting against the > native then it should be due to the aspects of other malefic planets > on the Lagna and its lord. And those negative events are just the > manifestation of the Graha Dristi (Desire) of those malefic planet(s).> One more thing is, by acquiring lordship of Kendra a benefic > planet won't become functional malefic, instead it just becomes less > benefic i.e., it benefic nature lessens. Losing the benefic nature > does not mean it will become malefic. (For example a person who is > more generous and charitable if stops his charities does not mean > that the person has become greedy or bad.) And the magnitude of > losing the benefic nature is more for Jupiter and Venus compared to > Mercury. And Moon loses very less when compared to even mercury.> I am still working out on the functional nature of the > planets. My work is half done at this moment. Once I complete my > assignment and when my Guruji Visti corrects my work I will put the > work on the list in the benefit of all of us.> > Thanking Visti Guruji for his perfect teachings,> PK> > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel> > wrote:> > Dear Visti,With due respect,I fail to understand the difference > between Dosha and affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other > an english word.Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at > page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading Benefics and > Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for > saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo. > If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is > kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter > and Venus are more and more malefic in that order.If you analyse > horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will > find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas > of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are > also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where > the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra > Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source about > kendradhipati Doshas.By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.----- > Original Message ----- Visti Larsen To: vedic astrology > Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AMRe: [vedic-> astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but > is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the native works, but > theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no real > ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati > Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a > trikona, hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in > Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about. Best wishes> > Visti> > ---> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic-> astrologybphs.zip> > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-> ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html- > Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November 11, > 2002 7:13 PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> > Dear friends,Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts > Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and Venus > are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati?Chandrashekhar.----- > Original Message ----- j.k. dasgupta vedic astrology > Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PMRe: [vedic astrology] > Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> > dear sunit, i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion > and continue the process of learning..so question of being 100% right > does not come at all. however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord > always protects..the way may differ, not neccessary that it will only > pamper us. i would request you to post your birth details and your > analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from it. regards > dasgupta- Katti Narahari (Aditya) > To: vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 > PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Sunit, Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I > can be only confident when I post and learn in the process. This is > what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, > that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are u!. I can > only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and > hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in this > esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I don't > think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was > thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An > inherently bad person can also do good just as a good person by > default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional > benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions > to lagna lord is a different matter as is retrogression. Thanks again > for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with > you too! I hope. Regds Hari - hmm > To: vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 > PMSubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord.> > Dear Katti,> > Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true. > In> > my case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things > have> > been adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like > bhukti> > has been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord not> > bein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message > with> > confidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from my> > experience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked > about> > lagna lord too.> > Om namah shivaya,> > Sunit Mehta> > > > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"> > <kattinarahari@h...> wrote:> > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > >> > --> ------------> > > > > > Dear Praveen,> > > > > > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows something > else> > like denial of fruits.> > > > > > Regds> > > > > > Hari> > > - > > > Praveen Kumar > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.> > > > > > > > > Dear Kanupriya,> > > First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. If> > benefic, it would take away the beneficence and would give the > person> > concerned a stout body.> > > > > > Praveen Kumar> > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > Group info: vedic-> astrology/info.html> > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms of > Service.> > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > > > ....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2002 Dear Chandrashekhar, Thank you very much for the slokas, unfortunately I do not read Devanagiri, my only Indian language at present is Tamil. Your explanation regarding malefic effects of venus makes sense. Regards, Nimmi - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:30 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Nimmi, Find below the relevant shlokas of Laghu Parashari.If you have devanagari fonts you should be able to read them.(Shivaji1 font used).As a matter of fact I am not good a typing Devanagari but had written down Laghu parashari for my own academic interest. You should understand that a planet only becomes a yogakaraka if he owns an Angle as well as a trine.Now the typical argument is that since the Ascendant is both an Angle and a trine. Lord of ascendant is always a benefic.This appears correctg on the surface. However if we try to understand the basics, instead relying on mere Yogas which act like empirical formulae(to my mind and I may be wrong) the reason that Laghu Parashari gives great importance to Kendradhipati dosha becomes clear. You have to consider both houses owned by a planet when deciding how it is going to affect a jataka.In case of Jupiter and Mercury the second house owned by them is always an angle if they are Ascendant lord.Also when one is Ascendant lord other is lord of 7th the strongest of Marakasthanas. In case of Venus the other Benefic left, as already explained when he is Ascendant Lord the other house owned by him is always a Trishadaysthana.This is why it is said that jupiter and Venus are even more malefic the second more than the first. 6 savao- i~kaoNanaotarao ga`ha: SauBaflap`da: ptyais~YaDayaanaaM yaid papflap`da: 7 na idSaint SauBaM naRNaaM saaOmya: kond`aiQapayaid `kUraScaodSauBaM (oto `pbalaa }<arao<arma\ 10 kond`aiQap%yadaoYastu balavaana\ gau$Sau `kyaao: mark%vao|ip ca tyaaomaa-rksqaanasaMisqait: Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:53 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Hi, >From memory, I think Laghu Parashari says that 'Benefics lose their beneficence by owning quadrants and malefics their maleficence by owning trines'. This does not equate to becoming malefic. Merely modification of their nature. I think it may not be appropriate to think of the planets flip-flopping like binary bits between malefic and benefic effects. It may be better to think of them somewhat like individuals with varying behaviour, including both malefic and benefic effects, depending on the context. The mix of effects would depend on their placement, associations, nature, ownership, relative strength vis a vis dispositors of various kinds, navamsha position etc. Since quadrants require effort, perhaps the ownership of 2 quadrants takes away easy gains promised by benefics and forces hard effort to obtain results. Similarly since trines make things easy, the malefics which usually cause delay and hard work, adjust themselves and reduce the effort they would otherwise require. Regards, Nimmi - Chandrashekhar Sharma vedic astrology Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:55 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Visti, With due respect,I fail to understand the difference between Dosha and affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other an english word. Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading Benefics and Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo. If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more malefic in that order. If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source about kendradhipati Doshas. By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Chandrashekhar, Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the native works, but theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no real ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear friends, Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati? Chandrashekhar. - j.k. dasgupta vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. dear sunit, i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion and continue the process of learning..so question of being 100% right does not come at all. however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord always protects..the way may differ, not neccessary that it will only pamper us. i would request you to post your birth details and your analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from it. regards dasgupta - Katti Narahari (Aditya) vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Gurave Namah Dear Sunit, Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I can be only confident when I post and learn in the process. This is what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are u!. I can only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in this esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I don't think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An inherently bad person can also do good just as a good person by default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions to lagna lord is a different matter as is retrogression. Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with you too! I hope. Regds Hari - hmm vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Katti,Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true. Inmy case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things havebeen adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like bhuktihas been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord notbein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message withconfidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from myexperience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked aboutlagna lord too.Om namah shivaya,Sunit Mehtavedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"<kattinarahari@h...> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> >--> > Dear Praveen,> > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows something elselike denial of fruits.> > Regds> > Har i> -----! Original Message ----- > Praveen Kumar > vedic astrology > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.> > > Dear Kanupriya,> First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. Ifbenefic, it would take away the beneficence and would give the personconcerned a stout body.> > Praveen Kumar> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > ....... May Jupi ter's light shine on us ...! ....> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: /g roup/vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2002 Dear Nimmi, I shall try to give gist of what is said in the shlokas I sent you. No6:All trine lords give good results.If they own Trik houses (3,6,11) they are always disposed towards evil. No7:The Benefic planets do not give Shubha results if they own angles and Malefic planets give better and better results as they become lords of 1,4,7 and 10th house in that order. No.10:Jupiter and Venus's Maraka effect increase if in addition to owning angles they are posited in 7th house. I hope this will clear any confusion. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Friday, November 15, 2002 2:11 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Chandrashekhar, Thank you very much for the slokas, unfortunately I do not read Devanagiri, my only Indian language at present is Tamil. Your explanation regarding malefic effects of venus makes sense. Regards, Nimmi - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:30 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Nimmi, Find below the relevant shlokas of Laghu Parashari.If you have devanagari fonts you should be able to read them.(Shivaji1 font used).As a matter of fact I am not good a typing Devanagari but had written down Laghu parashari for my own academic interest. You should understand that a planet only becomes a yogakaraka if he owns an Angle as well as a trine.Now the typical argument is that since the Ascendant is both an Angle and a trine. Lord of ascendant is always a benefic.This appears correctg on the surface. However if we try to understand the basics, instead relying on mere Yogas which act like empirical formulae(to my mind and I may be wrong) the reason that Laghu Parashari gives great importance to Kendradhipati dosha becomes clear. You have to consider both houses owned by a planet when deciding how it is going to affect a jataka.In case of Jupiter and Mercury the second house owned by them is always an angle if they are Ascendant lord.Also when one is Ascendant lord other is lord of 7th the strongest of Marakasthanas. In case of Venus the other Benefic left, as already explained when he is Ascendant Lord the other house owned by him is always a Trishadaysthana.This is why it is said that jupiter and Venus are even more malefic the second more than the first. 6 savao- i~kaoNanaotarao ga`ha: SauBaflap`da: ptyais~YaDayaanaaM yaid papflap`da: 7 na idSaint SauBaM naRNaaM saaOmya: kond`aiQapayaid `kUraScaodSauBaM (oto `pbalaa }<arao<arma\ 10 kond`aiQap%yadaoYastu balavaana\ gau$Sau `kyaao: mark%vao|ip ca tyaaomaa-rksqaanasaMisqait: Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:53 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Hi, >From memory, I think Laghu Parashari says that 'Benefics lose their beneficence by owning quadrants and malefics their maleficence by owning trines'. This does not equate to becoming malefic. Merely modification of their nature. I think it may not be appropriate to think of the planets flip-flopping like binary bits between malefic and benefic effects. It may be better to think of them somewhat like individuals with varying behaviour, including both malefic and benefic effects, depending on the context. The mix of effects would depend on their placement, associations, nature, ownership, relative strength vis a vis dispositors of various kinds, navamsha position etc. Since quadrants require effort, perhaps the ownership of 2 quadrants takes away easy gains promised by benefics and forces hard effort to obtain results. Similarly since trines make things easy, the malefics which usually cause delay and hard work, adjust themselves and reduce the effort they would otherwise require. Regards, Nimmi - Chandrashekhar Sharma vedic astrology Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:55 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Visti, With due respect,I fail to understand the difference between Dosha and affliction barring that one is Sanskrit and other an english word. Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a horoscope , at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I mean under heading Benefics and Malefics for each Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for Gemini and Virgo. If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, you will find that not only is kendradhipati dosha is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more malefic in that order. If you analyse horoscopes of persons with Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will find them getting not very good results during Maha and Antar dashas of the Ascendant lords and also lords of other Kendras as these are also shubha grahas barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending on Taurus or Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if I am wrong in my source about kendradhipati Doshas. By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Chandrashekhar, Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, but is a dosha for lack of results. This means that the native works, but theres no energy for the creative part of the results.. no real ailments. So why are you worrying about this? Also Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for planets lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the dosha is removed. This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, who's article i sent a link to you about. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 7:13 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear friends, Would lagna lord protect even if he attracts Kendradhipati Dosha? Speciallt when it is said that Jupiter and Venus are more and more inimical as Kendradhipati? Chandrashekhar. - j.k. dasgupta vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 4:55 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. dear sunit, i fully agree with hari, this place is for discussion and continue the process of learning..so question of being 100% right does not come at all. however, i also agree with hari that lagna lord always protects..the way may differ, not neccessary that it will only pamper us. i would request you to post your birth details and your analysis..so that we all can discuss and learn from it. regards dasgupta - Katti Narahari (Aditya) vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Om Gurave Namah Dear Sunit, Thanks for the suggestion. The way I look at it is I can be only confident when I post and learn in the process. This is what Sanjay guru and my guru have taught me. I cannot be 100% right, that is the reality. If you are 100% right, blessed are u!. I can only be right when I post. If I am wrong, my guru will correct me and hence I gain... if I am right I still gain. If all people in this esteemed list start posting only if they are confident, then I don't think anyone will learn. As far as lagna lord is concerned, I was thinking of benefics and malefics categorization in a chart. An inherently bad person can also do good just as a good person by default can create a lot of havoc. In the context of functional benefics and malefics, I meant lagna lord can never harm. Afflictions to lagna lord is a different matter as is retrogression. Thanks again for the suggestion.. but it;s ok if I am wrong. It should be ok with you too! I hope. Regds Hari - hmm vedic astrology Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Katti,Your inference of the lagna lord being always benefic is not true. Inmy case Rahu becomes lord of lagna and since its mahadasa things havebeen adverse, rahu is in virgo in 8th..rest of the factors like bhuktihas been checked and I have heard others tell me to about lord notbein g benefic always...one suggestion..before posting a message withconfidence ask yourself.....am I 100% right.....is it from myexperience in reading charts.....Brother Visti and I have talked aboutlagna lord too.Om namah shivaya,Sunit Mehtavedic astrology, "Katti Narahari (Aditya)"<kattinarahari@h...> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> >--> > Dear Praveen,> > Lagna lord is always a benefic. A retrogression shows something elselike denial of fruits.> > Regds> > Har i> -----! Original Message ----- > Praveen Kumar > vedic astrology > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Retro Lagana Lord.> > > Dear Kanupriya,> First see whether Lagna Lord is a natural benefic or malefic. Ifbenefic, it would take away the beneficence and would give the personconcerned a stout body.> > Praveen Kumar> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > ....... May Jupi ter's light shine on us ...! ....> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: /g roup/vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2002 Dear Shekar, I have some doubt in 10. Is there an exception for ve if it is also the ascendant lord and placed in 7th. Here by aspecting lagna it should make the lagna strong at the same time how it can be a strong maraka also ? Lakshman --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > Dear Nimmi, > I shall try to give gist of what is said in the > shlokas I sent you. > No6:All trine lords give good results.If they own > Trik houses (3,6,11) they are always disposed > towards evil. > No7:The Benefic planets do not give Shubha results > if they own angles and Malefic planets give better > and better results as they become lords of 1,4,7 and > 10th house in that order. > No.10:Jupiter and Venus's Maraka effect increase if > in addition to owning angles they are posited in 7th > house. > I hope this will clear any confusion. > Chandrashekhar. > - > Nimmi Ragavan > vedic astrology > Friday, November 15, 2002 2:11 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana > Lord. > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > Thank you very much for the slokas, unfortunately > I do not read Devanagiri, my only Indian language at > present is Tamil. > > Your explanation regarding malefic effects of > venus makes sense. > > Regards, > > Nimmi > > > > > > - > Chandrashekhar > vedic astrology > Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:30 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana > Lord. > > > Dear Nimmi, > Find below the relevant shlokas of Laghu > Parashari.If you have devanagari fonts you should be > able to read them.(Shivaji1 font used).As a matter > of fact I am not good a typing Devanagari but had > written down Laghu parashari for my own academic > interest. > You should understand that a planet only becomes > a yogakaraka if he owns an Angle as well as a > trine.Now the typical argument is that since the > Ascendant is both an Angle and a trine. Lord of > ascendant is always a benefic.This appears correctg > on the surface. > However if we try to understand the basics, > instead relying on mere Yogas which act like > empirical formulae(to my mind and I may be wrong) > the reason that Laghu Parashari gives great > importance to Kendradhipati dosha becomes clear. > You have to consider both houses owned by a > planet when deciding how it is going to affect a > jataka.In case of Jupiter and Mercury the second > house owned by them is always an angle if they are > Ascendant lord.Also when one is Ascendant lord other > is lord of 7th the strongest of Marakasthanas. > In case of Venus the other Benefic left, as > already explained when he is Ascendant Lord the > other house owned by him is always a > Trishadaysthana.This is why it is said that jupiter > and Venus are even more malefic the second more than > the first. > 6 > > savao- i~kaoNanaotarao ga`ha: SauBaflap`da: > > ptyais~YaDayaanaaM yaid papflap`da: > > 7 > > na idSaint SauBaM naRNaaM saaOmya: > kond`aiQapayaid > > `kUraScaodSauBaM (oto `pbalaa }<arao<arma\ > > 10 > > kond`aiQap%yadaoYastu balavaana\ gau$Sau `kyaao: > > mark%vao|ip ca tyaaomaa-rksqaanasaMisqait: > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > - > Nimmi Ragavan > vedic astrology > Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:53 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro > Lagana Lord. > > > Hi, > > From memory, I think Laghu Parashari says that > 'Benefics lose their beneficence by owning quadrants > and malefics their maleficence by owning trines'. > This does not equate to becoming malefic. Merely > modification of their nature. > > I think it may not be appropriate to think of > the planets flip-flopping like binary bits between > malefic and benefic effects. It may be better to > think of them somewhat like individuals with varying > behaviour, including both malefic and benefic > effects, depending on the context. The mix of > effects would depend on their placement, > associations, nature, ownership, relative strength > vis a vis dispositors of various kinds, navamsha > position etc. > > Since quadrants require effort, perhaps the > ownership of 2 quadrants takes away easy gains > promised by benefics and forces hard effort to > obtain results. Similarly since trines make things > easy, the malefics which usually cause delay and > hard work, adjust themselves and reduce the effort > they would otherwise require. > > Regards, > > Nimmi > - > Chandrashekhar Sharma > vedic astrology > Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:55 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro > Lagana Lord. > > > Dear Visti, > With due respect,I fail to understand the > difference between Dosha and affliction barring that > one is Sanskrit and other an english word. > Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a > horoscope , at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I > mean under heading Benefics and Malefics for each > Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for > saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for > Gemini and Virgo. If you proceed to Laghu Parashari, > you will find that not only is kendradhipati dosha > is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter > and Venus are more and more malefic in that order. > If you analyse horoscopes of persons with > Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will find them > getting not very good results during Maha and Antar > dashas of the Ascendant lords and also lords of > other Kendras as these are also shubha grahas > barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where > the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending > on Taurus or Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if I > am wrong in my source about kendradhipati Doshas. > By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian. > - > Visti Larsen > vedic astrology > Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro > Lagana Lord. > > > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah > Jum Om > > ---- > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction, > but is a dosha for lack of results. This means that > the native works, but theres no energy for the > creative part of the results.. no real ailments. > > So why are you worrying about this? Also > Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for planets > lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the > dosha is removed. > > This was also explained in Gaurangas mail, > who's article i sent a link to you about. > > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Bhagavad Purana: > http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > === message truncated === Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2002 Dear Laxman, Try to understand that though they will definitely give good results for 1st house their results for 7th house will be bad.Jupiter damages the house in which he is posited and Venus in 7th is not good for 7th house even when they are not lords of angle. They give even more bad results for 7th when they also happen to own angles, is what the shloka says. Chandrashekhar. - Lakshman Brahma vedic astrology Saturday, November 16, 2002 8:08 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana Lord. Dear Shekar,I have some doubt in 10. Is there an exception for veif it is also the ascendant lord and placed in 7th.Here by aspecting lagna it should make the lagnastrong at the same time how it can be a strong marakaalso ?Lakshman--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> Dear Nimmi,> I shall try to give gist of what is said in the> shlokas I sent you.> No6:All trine lords give good results.If they own> Trik houses (3,6,11) they are always disposed> towards evil.> No7:The Benefic planets do not give Shubha results> if they own angles and Malefic planets give better> and better results as they become lords of 1,4,7 and> 10th house in that order.> No.10:Jupiter and Venus's Maraka effect increase if> in addition to owning angles they are posited in 7th> house.> I hope this will clear any confusion.> Chandrashekhar.> ----- Original Message ----- > Nimmi Ragavan > vedic astrology > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:11 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana> Lord.> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,> > Thank you very much for the slokas, unfortunately> I do not read Devanagiri, my only Indian language at> present is Tamil.> > Your explanation regarding malefic effects of> venus makes sense.> > Regards,> > Nimmi> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Chandrashekhar > vedic astrology > Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:30 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro Lagana> Lord.> > > Dear Nimmi,> Find below the relevant shlokas of Laghu> Parashari.If you have devanagari fonts you should be> able to read them.(Shivaji1 font used).As a matter> of fact I am not good a typing Devanagari but had> written down Laghu parashari for my own academic> interest.> You should understand that a planet only becomes> a yogakaraka if he owns an Angle as well as a> trine.Now the typical argument is that since the> Ascendant is both an Angle and a trine. Lord of> ascendant is always a benefic.This appears correctg> on the surface.> However if we try to understand the basics,> instead relying on mere Yogas which act like> empirical formulae(to my mind and I may be wrong)> the reason that Laghu Parashari gives great> importance to Kendradhipati dosha becomes clear.> You have to consider both houses owned by a> planet when deciding how it is going to affect a> jataka.In case of Jupiter and Mercury the second> house owned by them is always an angle if they are> Ascendant lord.Also when one is Ascendant lord other> is lord of 7th the strongest of Marakasthanas.> In case of Venus the other Benefic left, as> already explained when he is Ascendant Lord the> other house owned by him is always a> Trishadaysthana.This is why it is said that jupiter> and Venus are even more malefic the second more than> the first.> 6> > savao- i~kaoNanaotarao ga`ha: SauBaflap`da:> > ptyais~YaDayaanaaM yaid papflap`da:> > 7> > na idSaint SauBaM naRNaaM saaOmya:> kond`aiQapayaid> > `kUraScaodSauBaM (oto `pbalaa }<arao<arma\> > 10> > kond`aiQap%yadaoYastu balavaana\ gau$Sau `kyaao:> > mark%vao|ip ca tyaaomaa-rksqaanasaMisqait:> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Nimmi Ragavan > To: vedic astrology > Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:53 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro> Lagana Lord.> > > Hi,> > From memory, I think Laghu Parashari says that> 'Benefics lose their beneficence by owning quadrants> and malefics their maleficence by owning trines'.> This does not equate to becoming malefic. Merely> modification of their nature.> > I think it may not be appropriate to think of> the planets flip-flopping like binary bits between> malefic and benefic effects. It may be better to> think of them somewhat like individuals with varying> behaviour, including both malefic and benefic> effects, depending on the context. The mix of> effects would depend on their placement,> associations, nature, ownership, relative strength> vis a vis dispositors of various kinds, navamsha> position etc.> > Since quadrants require effort, perhaps the> ownership of 2 quadrants takes away easy gains> promised by benefics and forces hard effort to> obtain results. Similarly since trines make things> easy, the malefics which usually cause delay and> hard work, adjust themselves and reduce the effort> they would otherwise require.> > Regards,> > Nimmi> - > Chandrashekhar Sharma > vedic astrology > Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:55 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro> Lagana Lord.> > > Dear Visti,> With due respect,I fail to understand the> difference between Dosha and affliction barring that> one is Sanskrit and other an english word.> Dr. B.V. Raman in his how to judge a> horoscope , at page 9 (Vol.1) illustrates what I> mean under heading Benefics and Malefics for each> Lagna.He designates Jupiter as neutral for> saggitarius and Pisces and Mercury as neutral for> Gemini and Virgo. If you proceed to Laghu Parashari,> you will find that not only is kendradhipati dosha> is treated as serious but it is said that Jupiter> and Venus are more and more malefic in that order.> If you analyse horoscopes of persons with> Shubha Grahas as Ascendant Lords you will find them> getting not very good results during Maha and Antar> dashas of the Ascendant lords and also lords of> other Kendras as these are also shubha grahas> barring the case of Venus as ascendant lord where> the Asc. Lord is also lord of 6th or 8th depending> on Taurus or Libra Ascendant.Please correct me if I> am wrong in my source about kendradhipati Doshas.> By tyhe way i am myself a Saggitarian.> - > Visti Larsen > vedic astrology > Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:02 AM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Retro> Lagana Lord.> > > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah> Jum Om> >----> > Dear Chandrashekhar,> Kendradhipati Dosha, isn't an affliction,> but is a dosha for lack of results. This means that> the native works, but theres no energy for the> creative part of the results.. no real ailments.> > So why are you worrying about this? Also> Kendradhipati Dosha doens't exist for planets> lording lagna, as lagna is also a trikona, hence the> dosha is removed.> > This was also explained in Gaurangas mail,> who's article i sent a link to you about.> > Best wishes> Visti> ---> Bhagavad Purana:> http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> === message truncated ===Do you ? Web Hosting - Let the expert host your sitehttp://webhosting.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites