Horoscopes of a case of incest

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Hi all!

 

Here are the birth details of a brother and sister. The sister

alleges that she was sexually abused by her brother for a long time.

I thought of putting out these details since interesting horoscopes

can only help astrologers hone their understanding of the science.

They're both my cousins, by the way.

 

The girl:

 

Born 22nd May 1975 at 7:15 am (01:45 GMT) at Mysore (Latitude: 12-18

N, Longitude: 76-42 E)

 

The boy:

 

Born 20th Nov 1965 at 9 pm (15:30 GMT) at Hubli (Latitude: 15-20 N,

Longitude: 75-13 E)

 

Regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli

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Dear Ramapriya

 

in the charts of child sex abuse ive normally found that the

following combinations occur:

 

(1) rahu has something to do with the 7th house AND (2) an afflicted

mars or saturn influence venus strongly or mars and saturn together

influence venus.

 

rahu strongly influences venus in the 7th house.

 

venus as the 7th lord is combust and rahu has argala on 7th or

aspects lagna.

 

rahu's influence on 7th in navamsa should also been seen in addition

to rasi afflictions.

 

7th house significators negatively infleunced by the sun or placed in

leo/fiery signs and divisions should be looked at carefully.

 

love

jaan

 

 

 

vedic astrology, ramapriya_d wrote:

> Hi all!

>

> Here are the birth details of a brother and sister. The sister

> alleges that she was sexually abused by her brother for a long

time.

> I thought of putting out these details since interesting horoscopes

> can only help astrologers hone their understanding of the science.

> They're both my cousins, by the way.

>

> The girl:

>

> Born 22nd May 1975 at 7:15 am (01:45 GMT) at Mysore (Latitude: 12-

18

> N, Longitude: 76-42 E)

>

> The boy:

>

> Born 20th Nov 1965 at 9 pm (15:30 GMT) at Hubli (Latitude: 15-20 N,

> Longitude: 75-13 E)

>

> Regards,

>

> Ramapriya

> hubli@v...

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Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!

-----

Dear Jaan,

Its always nice to see someones experience in an area,

but could you please give the reasonings behind your

observations?

 

Best wishes, Visti.

 

--- kgrap wrote:

> Dear Ramapriya

>

> in the charts of child sex abuse ive normally found

> that the

> following combinations occur:

>

> (1) rahu has something to do with the 7th house AND

> (2) an afflicted

> mars or saturn influence venus strongly or mars and

> saturn together

> influence venus.

>

> rahu strongly influences venus in the 7th house.

>

> venus as the 7th lord is combust and rahu has argala

> on 7th or

> aspects lagna.

>

> rahu's influence on 7th in navamsa should also been

> seen in addition

> to rasi afflictions.

>

> 7th house significators negatively infleunced by the

> sun or placed in

> leo/fiery signs and divisions should be looked at

> carefully.

>

> love

> jaan

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, ramapriya_d wrote:

> > Hi all!

> >

> > Here are the birth details of a brother and

> sister. The sister

> > alleges that she was sexually abused by her

> brother for a long

> time.

> > I thought of putting out these details since

> interesting horoscopes

> > can only help astrologers hone their understanding

> of the science.

> > They're both my cousins, by the way.

> >

> > The girl:

> >

> > Born 22nd May 1975 at 7:15 am (01:45 GMT) at

> Mysore (Latitude: 12-

> 18

> > N, Longitude: 76-42 E)

> >

> > The boy:

> >

> > Born 20th Nov 1965 at 9 pm (15:30 GMT) at Hubli

> (Latitude: 15-20 N,

> > Longitude: 75-13 E)

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ramapriya

> > hubli@v...

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Visti,

 

My observations are just that, they are some of the common factors in

the charts i have seen in cases of people, mostly girls , who have

been sexually abused as children.

 

i cant refer to the classics as they dont seem to mention specific

combinations for this. Dr Raman has mentioned afflicted saturn in the

4th for incest but thats all i can remember off hand.

 

firstly the lagna, atmakaraka, moon and various other significators

should be examined for strength and evils in the chart. if they are

weak enough to allow such an evil thing as this kind of abuse to

happen then the following can confirm it i think.

 

also remember that this kind of abuse is usually a secret or well

hidden thing and examintion should be done on the house itself rather

than the padas.

 

obviously rahu's ability to influence the 7th can give strange

experiences or troubles pertaining to relationships. the influence on

venus must be looked at for obvious reasons. since children dont

really have an ability to fight back or prevent such things they are

helpless and suffer, this is a form of punishment maybe?? therefore

an afflicted saturn can punish in this way.

 

in many charts where the women are of questionable character sexually

or have odd behaviour, in addition to other factors, i find venus in

leo or fiery signs. fiery nature of a sign isnt normally condusive

for promoting the pure side of venus. sun the natural significator of

dharma if weak or in a position to give bad results can do so in this

way when it combusts venus. one chart where the sun is in such a

position, the girl was abused by her father.

 

mars afflicting venus in such a way can show aggressive abuse rather

than passive.

 

for diabolical things like murder, rape, terror, kidnapping etc rahu

usually has a hand in it. so you would need rahus influence in the

first place added to the other combinatins.

 

the relevant dasa period should also be running as a child for this

to occur.

 

navamsa chart should also be examined thoroughly for any such

indications.

 

love

jaan

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Visti Larsen <in_joy_i_scream>

wrote:

> Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!

> -----

> Dear Jaan,

> Its always nice to see someones experience in an area,

> but could you please give the reasonings behind your

> observations?

>

> Best wishes, Visti.

>

> --- kgrap@b... wrote:

> > Dear Ramapriya

> >

> > in the charts of child sex abuse ive normally found

> > that the

> > following combinations occur:

> >

> > (1) rahu has something to do with the 7th house AND

> > (2) an afflicted

> > mars or saturn influence venus strongly or mars and

> > saturn together

> > influence venus.

> >

> > rahu strongly influences venus in the 7th house.

> >

> > venus as the 7th lord is combust and rahu has argala

> > on 7th or

> > aspects lagna.

> >

> > rahu's influence on 7th in navamsa should also been

> > seen in addition

> > to rasi afflictions.

> >

> > 7th house significators negatively infleunced by the

> > sun or placed in

> > leo/fiery signs and divisions should be looked at

> > carefully.

> >

> > love

> > jaan

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, ramapriya_d wrote:

> > > Hi all!

> > >

> > > Here are the birth details of a brother and

> > sister. The sister

> > > alleges that she was sexually abused by her

> > brother for a long

> > time.

> > > I thought of putting out these details since

> > interesting horoscopes

> > > can only help astrologers hone their understanding

> > of the science.

> > > They're both my cousins, by the way.

> > >

> > > The girl:

> > >

> > > Born 22nd May 1975 at 7:15 am (01:45 GMT) at

> > Mysore (Latitude: 12-

> > 18

> > > N, Longitude: 76-42 E)

> > >

> > > The boy:

> > >

> > > Born 20th Nov 1965 at 9 pm (15:30 GMT) at Hubli

> > (Latitude: 15-20 N,

> > > Longitude: 75-13 E)

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Ramapriya

> > > hubli@v...

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!

------

Dear Jaan,

Could you please post more charts of these cases?

If its private, then please just email me directly.

Best wishes, Visti.

--- kgrap wrote:

> Dear Visti,

>

> My observations are just that, they are some of the

> common factors in

> the charts i have seen in cases of people, mostly

> girls , who have

> been sexually abused as children.

>

> i cant refer to the classics as they dont seem to

> mention specific

> combinations for this. Dr Raman has mentioned

> afflicted saturn in the

> 4th for incest but thats all i can remember off

> hand.

>

> firstly the lagna, atmakaraka, moon and various

> other significators

> should be examined for strength and evils in the

> chart. if they are

> weak enough to allow such an evil thing as this kind

> of abuse to

> happen then the following can confirm it i think.

>

> also remember that this kind of abuse is usually a

> secret or well

> hidden thing and examintion should be done on the

> house itself rather

> than the padas.

>

> obviously rahu's ability to influence the 7th can

> give strange

> experiences or troubles pertaining to relationships.

> the influence on

> venus must be looked at for obvious reasons. since

> children dont

> really have an ability to fight back or prevent such

> things they are

> helpless and suffer, this is a form of punishment

> maybe?? therefore

> an afflicted saturn can punish in this way.

>

> in many charts where the women are of questionable

> character sexually

> or have odd behaviour, in addition to other factors,

> i find venus in

> leo or fiery signs. fiery nature of a sign isnt

> normally condusive

> for promoting the pure side of venus. sun the

> natural significator of

> dharma if weak or in a position to give bad results

> can do so in this

> way when it combusts venus. one chart where the sun

> is in such a

> position, the girl was abused by her father.

>

> mars afflicting venus in such a way can show

> aggressive abuse rather

> than passive.

>

> for diabolical things like murder, rape, terror,

> kidnapping etc rahu

> usually has a hand in it. so you would need rahus

> influence in the

> first place added to the other combinatins.

>

> the relevant dasa period should also be running as a

> child for this

> to occur.

>

> navamsa chart should also be examined thoroughly for

> any such

> indications.

>

> love

> jaan

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, Visti Larsen

> <in_joy_i_scream>

> wrote:

> > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!

> > -----

> > Dear Jaan,

> > Its always nice to see someones experience in an

> area,

> > but could you please give the reasonings behind

> your

> > observations?

> >

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> >

> > --- kgrap@b... wrote:

> > > Dear Ramapriya

> > >

> > > in the charts of child sex abuse ive normally

> found

> > > that the

> > > following combinations occur:

> > >

> > > (1) rahu has something to do with the 7th house

> AND

> > > (2) an afflicted

> > > mars or saturn influence venus strongly or mars

> and

> > > saturn together

> > > influence venus.

> > >

> > > rahu strongly influences venus in the 7th house.

> > >

> > > venus as the 7th lord is combust and rahu has

> argala

> > > on 7th or

> > > aspects lagna.

> > >

> > > rahu's influence on 7th in navamsa should also

> been

> > > seen in addition

> > > to rasi afflictions.

> > >

> > > 7th house significators negatively infleunced by

> the

> > > sun or placed in

> > > leo/fiery signs and divisions should be looked

> at

> > > carefully.

> > >

> > > love

> > > jaan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, ramapriya_d

> wrote:

> > > > Hi all!

> > > >

> > > > Here are the birth details of a brother and

> > > sister. The sister

> > > > alleges that she was sexually abused by her

> > > brother for a long

> > > time.

> > > > I thought of putting out these details since

> > > interesting horoscopes

> > > > can only help astrologers hone their

> understanding

> > > of the science.

> > > > They're both my cousins, by the way.

> > > >

> > > > The girl:

> > > >

> > > > Born 22nd May 1975 at 7:15 am (01:45 GMT) at

> > > Mysore (Latitude: 12-

> > > 18

> > > > N, Longitude: 76-42 E)

> > > >

> > > > The boy:

> > > >

> > > > Born 20th Nov 1965 at 9 pm (15:30 GMT) at

> Hubli

> > > (Latitude: 15-20 N,

> > > > Longitude: 75-13 E)

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Ramapriya

> > > > hubli@v...

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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JAI GURUDEV.

 

Dear Jaan/Visti,

 

The combinations stated by Mr. Jaan, seems to me are more indicative of

un-natural sexual urge/marriage defying social norms, rather than for child

abuse. Of course as already Mr. Jaan has said, these are from his own

observations. Infact there can be very suble difference between gratifying

during child hood by involving voluntaraly in the act or involving by force.

Affliction of 7th by Rahu, mutual aspection between Shukra/Kuja/Shani and

simultaneously affliction caused to Ravi, as per Acharya Varahamihira, fore

tells about fall in Dharma in a chart of female nativity. One more tool

suggested by the Acharya is study of Trimamsa and equally important is

placement of Shukra and Kuja in Navamsa chart. It is said that, 1)Lagna and or

Chandra placed in Vrishabha/Thula in Rasi if occupies sign of Kuja in

Trimamsa, one will be immoral. 2)Lagna and or Chandra placed in Mithuna/Kanya

in Rasi if occupies sign of Shani, one will be impotent. Going by these rules,

it may suggests that, the motives for revealation of past incidents by the lady

have to be doubted. (I wish, I could be wrong here). To have clearer picture,

Mr. Ramapriya, can provide more details about credentials of the lady,

circumstances under which it has been made public etc.. Such instances can be

tantamouns to be child abuse, only if during that time one was forcefully made

to bear that and inturn suffer effects of torchering affecting mental and

physical plane.

On ther other hand, chances of child abuse may also be tried to be ascertained

studying Dasa-Bhukti running at that time and transit of planets on Natal

Chandra and Lagna. It may be more proper to give much stress to the position of

Budha as well, since it is naisargika karaka for child hood. How ever these may

only give idea about hardships during child hood. If this gets centred around

7th house, can we say chances of sexual abuses?

 

Best wishes,

Mohan Hegde.

-

kgrap (AT) btinternet (DOT) com

vedic astrology

Sunday, November 25, 2001 7:44 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Horoscopes of a case of incest

Dear Ramapriyain the charts of child sex abuse ive normally found that the

following combinations occur:(1) rahu has something to do with the 7th house

AND (2) an afflicted mars or saturn influence venus strongly or mars and saturn

together influence venus.rahu strongly influences venus in the 7th house.venus

as the 7th lord is combust and rahu has argala on 7th or aspects lagna.rahu's

influence on 7th in navamsa should also been seen in addition to rasi

afflictions.7th house significators negatively infleunced by the sun or placed

in leo/fiery signs and divisions should be looked at carefully.lovejaan--- In

vedic astrology, ramapriya_d wrote:> Hi all!> > Here are the birth

details of a brother and sister. The sister > alleges that she was sexually

abused by her brother for a long time. > I thought of putting out these details

since interesting horoscopes > can only help astrologers hone their

understanding of the science. > They're both my cousins, by the way.> > The

girl:> > Born 22nd May 1975 at 7:15 am (01:45 GMT) at Mysore (Latitude: 12-18 >

N, Longitude: 76-42 E)> > The boy:> > Born 20th Nov 1965 at 9 pm (15:30 GMT) at

Hubli (Latitude: 15-20 N, > Longitude: 75-13 E)> > Regards,> > Ramapriya>

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