Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Dear Ashutosh Ji, Could you please explain how many planets in 11th house gives numerous relationships? Is it for it is a kama bhava? Thanks, Tanvir. What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - hbk1hbk_2100 Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:22 PM Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) PLEASE READ MY COMMENTS , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > Having seven planets in 11th house has centered your horoscope in that house, house of friends and money. The obsession with money and all queries centered on money is very evident by your mails. I AGREE WITH YOU > All your gains and losses will be concerned with 11th house. Even your death will be related to it. I AGREE WITH YOU > I consider nakshatras too but give main importance to planetary positions and their interaction in main chart. You cannot deny combustion just because the phenmenon goes against your desires. YOU CAN NOT JUST JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS WHEN YOU SEE OTHER PLANETS WITH SUN. IF SUN RULES FOR EXAMPLE 9TH HOUSE THEN CONJUNCTION WITH SUN WILL BE GOOD. > Don't you think that all these planets in one house have made you vey confused and going to hundred astrologers proves that. Why was the need to go to more than hundred astrologers? Because they were not saying what you wanted to hear. I WENT TO MORE THAN 100 ASTROLOGERS BECAUSE I WANTED TO BECOME MASTER IN ASTROLOGY. > Just because 6th, 8th and 12th are empty does not mean that you will never have any health problems. The planet with the lords of these houses also affect your health. THIS IS JUST ONE ASPECT I MENTIONED. THE ONLY PLANETS THAT CAN GIVE ME SICKNESS ARE MARS AND SUN. MARS IS PLACED IN 6TH LORD SUN'S NAKSHATRA, AND SUN RULES 6TH HOUSE. I WAS SICK FEW TIMES IN SUN MAHADASHA AND MARS MAHADASHA. > If you read earlier mails on this group, you will find out more about viprit rajyoga. Venus has made you lucky in love, but so many planets in 11th house will also give you numerous love affairs. Will they not adversely affect your married life? I AGREE WITH YOU. BUT I AM NOT MARRIED AT THE MOMENT, AND ENJOYING ALL THESE RELATIONSHIPS. > You still have a lot to learn about astrology. Most of the members in this group have passes your stage and are therefore keeping a wise silence. I RECEIVED 30 EMAILS FROM MEMBERS IN JUST 2 HOURS YESTERDAY EVENING WITH REQUESTS FOR READINGS. THEY ARE NOT SILENT. THEY ARE CONTACTING ME AGAIN AND AGAIN WITH READING REQUESTS. > Only time will tell what is right. Take care when jupiter enters libra and stays there for one year. JUPITER WILL BE IN 11TH HOUSE FROM NATAL MOON, AND I HAVE 36 ASHTVARGA POINTS IN LIBRA. JUPITER HAS 6 ASHTAVARGA POINTS IN LIBRA. LIBRA IS 8TH FROM LAGNA. I WILL LET YOU KNOW IF I GET INHERITANCE, LOTTERY IN NEXT 12 MONTHS. SATURN IS IN A VEDA POSITION TO JUPITER MAY CREATE OBSTRUCTION FOR JUPITER AS I AM SAGGITARIUS ASCENDANT. I AM GOING TO TEST IF THIS VEDA TECHNIQUE REALLY WORKS OR IT IS JUST ANOTHER TECHNIQUE IN BOOKS. > > > All the best, > > > Ashutosh > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Dear Tanvir ji, basically it is 2nd to 10th involving self efforts.As 7th from spouse it's relationsships includes daughter in law and son in law,aprt from paterna uncles,friends and elder brother.As 9th is Dharma bhava,3rd from it has to be kama bhava and bring in intitives and boldness to gain results out of 10th i.e artha bhava.position of numerous plantes dilute significance of the bhava and sign. If the issues is with reference to number of planets posited in 11th,the planet with least longitude has to be winner to bring in significance to kam bhava. The discussion if centered around gains,every thing has to be a gain.But then the story of planets has no full stop at any time as it is 6th from 6th. krishnan Tanvir <ultimate wrote: Dear Ashutosh Ji, Could you please explain how many planets in 11th house gives numerous relationships? Is it for it is a kama bhava? Thanks, Tanvir. What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - hbk1hbk_2100 Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:22 PM Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) PLEASE READ MY COMMENTS , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > Having seven planets in 11th house has centered your horoscope in that house, house of friends and money. The obsession with money and all queries centered on money is very evident by your mails. I AGREE WITH YOU > All your gains and losses will be concerned with 11th house. Even your death will be related to it. I AGREE WITH YOU > I consider nakshatras too but give main importance to planetary positions and their interaction in main chart. You cannot deny combustion just because the phenmenon goes against your desires. YOU CAN NOT JUST JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS WHEN YOU SEE OTHER PLANETS WITH SUN. IF SUN RULES FOR EXAMPLE 9TH HOUSE THEN CONJUNCTION WITH SUN WILL BE GOOD. > Don't you think that all these planets in one house have made you vey confused and going to hundred astrologers proves that. Why was the need to go to more than hundred astrologers? Because they were not saying what you wanted to hear. I WENT TO MORE THAN 100 ASTROLOGERS BECAUSE I WANTED TO BECOME MASTER IN ASTROLOGY. > Just because 6th, 8th and 12th are empty does not mean that you will never have any health problems. The planet with the lords of these houses also affect your health. THIS IS JUST ONE ASPECT I MENTIONED. THE ONLY PLANETS THAT CAN GIVE ME SICKNESS ARE MARS AND SUN. MARS IS PLACED IN 6TH LORD SUN'S NAKSHATRA, AND SUN RULES 6TH HOUSE. I WAS SICK FEW TIMES IN SUN MAHADASHA AND MARS MAHADASHA. > If you read earlier mails on this group, you will find out more about viprit rajyoga. Venus has made you lucky in love, but so many planets in 11th house will also give you numerous love affairs. Will they not adversely affect your married life? I AGREE WITH YOU. BUT I AM NOT MARRIED AT THE MOMENT, AND ENJOYING ALL THESE RELATIONSHIPS. > You still have a lot to learn about astrology. Most of the members in this group have passes your stage and are therefore keeping a wise silence. I RECEIVED 30 EMAILS FROM MEMBERS IN JUST 2 HOURS YESTERDAY EVENING WITH REQUESTS FOR READINGS. THEY ARE NOT SILENT. THEY ARE CONTACTING ME AGAIN AND AGAIN WITH READING REQUESTS. > Only time will tell what is right. Take care when jupiter enters libra and stays there for one year. JUPITER WILL BE IN 11TH HOUSE FROM NATAL MOON, AND I HAVE 36 ASHTVARGA POINTS IN LIBRA. JUPITER HAS 6 ASHTAVARGA POINTS IN LIBRA. LIBRA IS 8TH FROM LAGNA. I WILL LET YOU KNOW IF I GET INHERITANCE, LOTTERY IN NEXT 12 MONTHS. SATURN IS IN A VEDA POSITION TO JUPITER MAY CREATE OBSTRUCTION FOR JUPITER AS I AM SAGGITARIUS ASCENDANT. I AM GOING TO TEST IF THIS VEDA TECHNIQUE REALLY WORKS OR IT IS JUST ANOTHER TECHNIQUE IN BOOKS. > > > All the best, > > > Ashutosh > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Visit your group "" on the web. for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Dear Tanvir, The eleventh house is directly opposite to fifth house, the house of love-affairs. Any planet in 11th will aspect fifth house. 11th is also for friends and aquaintances besides money. Ashutosh - Tanvir Sunday, 25 September, 2005 22:10 Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) Dear Ashutosh Ji, Could you please explain how many planets in 11th house gives numerous relationships? Is it for it is a kama bhava? Thanks, Tanvir. What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - hbk1hbk_2100 Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:22 PM Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) PLEASE READ MY COMMENTS , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > Having seven planets in 11th house has centered your horoscope in that house, house of friends and money. The obsession with money and all queries centered on money is very evident by your mails. I AGREE WITH YOU > All your gains and losses will be concerned with 11th house. Even your death will be related to it. I AGREE WITH YOU > I consider nakshatras too but give main importance to planetary positions and their interaction in main chart. You cannot deny combustion just because the phenmenon goes against your desires. YOU CAN NOT JUST JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS WHEN YOU SEE OTHER PLANETS WITH SUN. IF SUN RULES FOR EXAMPLE 9TH HOUSE THEN CONJUNCTION WITH SUN WILL BE GOOD. > Don't you think that all these planets in one house have made you vey confused and going to hundred astrologers proves that. Why was the need to go to more than hundred astrologers? Because they were not saying what you wanted to hear. I WENT TO MORE THAN 100 ASTROLOGERS BECAUSE I WANTED TO BECOME MASTER IN ASTROLOGY. > Just because 6th, 8th and 12th are empty does not mean that you will never have any health problems. The planet with the lords of these houses also affect your health. THIS IS JUST ONE ASPECT I MENTIONED. THE ONLY PLANETS THAT CAN GIVE ME SICKNESS ARE MARS AND SUN. MARS IS PLACED IN 6TH LORD SUN'S NAKSHATRA, AND SUN RULES 6TH HOUSE. I WAS SICK FEW TIMES IN SUN MAHADASHA AND MARS MAHADASHA. > If you read earlier mails on this group, you will find out more about viprit rajyoga. Venus has made you lucky in love, but so many planets in 11th house will also give you numerous love affairs. Will they not adversely affect your married life? I AGREE WITH YOU. BUT I AM NOT MARRIED AT THE MOMENT, AND ENJOYING ALL THESE RELATIONSHIPS. > You still have a lot to learn about astrology. Most of the members in this group have passes your stage and are therefore keeping a wise silence. I RECEIVED 30 EMAILS FROM MEMBERS IN JUST 2 HOURS YESTERDAY EVENING WITH REQUESTS FOR READINGS. THEY ARE NOT SILENT. THEY ARE CONTACTING ME AGAIN AND AGAIN WITH READING REQUESTS. > Only time will tell what is right. Take care when jupiter enters libra and stays there for one year. JUPITER WILL BE IN 11TH HOUSE FROM NATAL MOON, AND I HAVE 36 ASHTVARGA POINTS IN LIBRA. JUPITER HAS 6 ASHTAVARGA POINTS IN LIBRA. LIBRA IS 8TH FROM LAGNA. I WILL LET YOU KNOW IF I GET INHERITANCE, LOTTERY IN NEXT 12 MONTHS. SATURN IS IN A VEDA POSITION TO JUPITER MAY CREATE OBSTRUCTION FOR JUPITER AS I AM SAGGITARIUS ASCENDANT. I AM GOING TO TEST IF THIS VEDA TECHNIQUE REALLY WORKS OR IT IS JUST ANOTHER TECHNIQUE IN BOOKS. > > > All the best, > > > Ashutosh > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology a.. Visit your group "" on the web. b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 is my carrer stagnet cuz off mercury with sun in 5 th house debilitated can u pin point the reson for stagnet please mr singh i live in ny as ur in states too please help me in this regard any remedy most appriciated and one more point as u did consult many i did too and confused please do me a favour thank you, i want some movement and luck in realestate thanks again raj k. hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote:Combustion can only hurt you if sun rules bad houses 6th 8th and 12th. Also the planet in question does not receive support from other functional benefics in the chart. If for example sun rules 9th house and mercury rules 10th house then sun's conjunction with mercury is very good, in this case mercury will not be hurt. G. Singh , kumar kumar <kumar07306> wrote: > mr g. singh i have a questin for u my venus is combusted with saturn in 4 th house will i have any health problems and mars retro in 10 house carrer wise stagnent can u analise my chart please d/b,,15 th march 1965 time 0015 AM hyderabad ap india thanks in advance hope u help me out takecare raj.k > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:I know it is difficult, but I know my chart so well because I studied > my chart with more than 100 astrologers all over world. I do not have > any guru. Every astrologer is different, knows some good stuff. I > spent few months with each one of them and learnt their techniques. > The reason I did not have health problems is that > > 1. The 6th 8th and 12th houses are empty. > > 2. I have jupiter, mercury ketu in mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd > and 9th house. > > 3. Saturn Venus, Sun are in moon's nakshatra the ruler of 5th house > and placed in 10th house. > > 4. Only Mars gave me sickness few times because it is placed placed > in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. > > 5. I was sick few times in sun mahadasha because sun rules 6th house. > > 6. The reason why Venus gave me good results is that Venus and Moon > are in each other's nakshatra. So it was good for love and money. > > You think Mars will give me money. I think you are wrong because Mars > is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. My Mars dasha gave me overrall > happiness but I was very poor in Mars mahadasha. > > You think Saturn is strong in my chart, again you are wrong. Saturn's > mooltrikona sign falls in 12th house and saturn is debilitated in > navamsa. So saturn will not give me wealth. Rather my saturn > mahadasha will be very difficult. > > Jupiter, Mercury and ketu are in Mars nakshsatra. These three planets > will activate exalted mars and 11th house in year 2009. I will be 47 > years old, it also represents ketu's year. Transit jupiter will be at > 25 degrees in capricorn, in second house from natal moon. > > I am surprised you do not use nakshatras and you are a professional > astrologer. > > If I say venus period was bad then you will say venus is combust. If > I say venus period was good then it becomes vipreet raj yoga. > > I would say rahu was the most difficult and challenging period in my > chart because rahu aspects all 7 planets in my chart. I survived rahu > mahdasha very gracefully. > I can show predictions given by very famous astrologers who have > written books had made big mistakes in analyszing my chart. > > I weigh 100 Kgs, 6' 1" tall and handsome looks. People many times say > why don't you go to bollywood and become actor in movies. > > > G. Singh > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > It is very difficult for an astrologer to > correctly analyse his own horoscope. Either the inferences are > totally negative or totally positive. > > > > You haven't had any health problems because till now you > have not undergone any of the combust planets' dashas. But, at this > age when the combust and debiliated lagna lord's dasha begins, you > should be careful. > > > > Rahu-venus gave you windfalls because venus being combust > has formed a viprit rajyoga. But, jupiter being combust cannot be > beneficial. Only, the jupiter-saturn dasha will give financial boost > which will be maintained during the dasha, but health will remain a > concern. > > > > I am a practising professional astrologer with more > practical knowledge than bookish one. I will give you one birth > detail to explain the negative effects of combust planets in their > dasha. > > > > 11-jul-1963 > > 11.15am > > Delhi > > India > > 28N39 77E13 > > > > This person, even during the sixth lord saturn's period, > had no serious health problems except hypertension. But as soon as > mercury dasha began, both the kidneys started malfunctioning and > today the person is surviving only on dialysis. Mercury is lagna lord > and in its on sign too but is combust. > > > > Astrology is not as simple as it seems. It is wiser to > accept the negative aspects of one's horoscope and do remedies for > them beforehand instead of denying them completely. > > > > I have tested and tried all methods in jyotish, including > astakvarga, nakshatra based analysis. I say whatever I have observed > in practice. Nothing bookish. You are still in Rahu dasha, and your > decisions and thinking are still under the influence of rahu. > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 10:54 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated chart, > even > > very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making predictions > for > > me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together > > combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th > house > > with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be > spending my > > time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to sun > so > > it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. > > > > But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like > 30. I > > have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time in > my > > life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers > learn > > from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs > > practical experience in astrology rather than bookish knowledge. > > Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even work > in > > real life. > > > > I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting for > a > > bigger windfall. > > You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine how > the > > planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is > just > > wasting time in astrology field. > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > I have observed lots of people who were > born > > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some > of > > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all > > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all > the > > riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that > out of > > these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those > which > > are not combust have given them the good results. The combust > ones > > will also show their negative effects. > > > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are > combust > > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > > importance to the strength of planets according to their > placement in > > natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not > call > > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince > and a > > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a > common > > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When > Bill > > gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called > a > > beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house > is > > in > > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In > order > > to > > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I > have > > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu > mercury > > will > > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. > This > > is > > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You > can > > ask > > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two > are > > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > > Jupiter- > > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > Rohini > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > told > > by > > > many > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > wealth. I > > > myself > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > 11th > > > house. > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > Dhanistha > > in > > > Mars > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > promised > > > by > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth > could > > come > > > when > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > period > > > or > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > couple > > of > > > days > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon > in > > 11th > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > Mercury > > > in > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of > 5th > > house > > > and > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > Jupiter, > > and > > > Mars > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will > play > > > important > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > nakshatra, > > > and > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for > my > > > chart. I > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > memebers. > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > contain > > > doshas?"is > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > doshas.May > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > considerd > > > as > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > teaches > > what > > > we > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > > than > > > get > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > vicous > > > cycle of > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result > will be > > > that we > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment > of > > > Moksha > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > something > > lost > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > > (2nd,6th > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham > and > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > > artha > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > baiscs of > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > > shape > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > vairagya.Then > > we > > > need > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain > is > > > kama),one > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > > time to > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > furthering > > > his > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > cycles of > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > perspective > > of > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > attachments > > > and > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in > the > > > manner > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > decrimination > > > to > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses > too > > may > > > be > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > > poorva > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing > of > > the > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance > of > > > various > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > Astrology,the > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life > and > > > enable > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life > is > > moksha > > > but > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > meant > > for > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > serving > > to > > > the > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > human > > > beings > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > promote > > > what > > > > the native intends. > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > native > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > ealisation > > > and > > > > correct path. > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed > to > > the > > > same > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. > and > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > being > > bad > > > makes > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, > each > > of > > > > which > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > SELF > > > where > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > > position > > > > too. > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > charity > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > > most > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking > for > > > > astrology > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > > stance. > > > In > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > merely > > > mentioning > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > half > > and > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > fertile > > > and > > > > so > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > remedies, > > some > > > of > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared > for > > and > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > recent > > > > addition > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and > will > > > never > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > > wretched > > > > soul > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one > who > > will > > > seek > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to > the > > > > spiritual > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > <jr_esq> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar > I've > > > attended > > > > in > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > Doshas > > (or > > > > three > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house > of > > > desires, > > > > > and > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > > have > > > the > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > > through > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > (Crystal > > > Pages)" > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > individuals > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > > plane > > > that > > > > is. > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > realm > > and > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > *spiritual* > > > > growth > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > astrology > > is > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > > jobs, > > > > money, > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit > of > > > dharma > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > yogas > > and > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > remedies > > and > > > > ishta > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to > some > > > extent > > > > I > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > efficiently > > > for > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly > and > > > perhaps > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > > really > > > > worked > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > spiritual > > > mileage > > > > > out > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > > etc.? > > > Being > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > explain > > > the > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > shlokas > > (e.g., > > > 24- > > > > > 31) > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > edition). I > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that > with > > their > > > > > female > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > distorted > > > version > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance > to > > the > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much > of > > what > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible > but it > > is > > > wise > > > > > to > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > > worldly > > > > > things, > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) > has > > > very > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > <sorry > > here > > > I > > > > go > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > going > > to > > > get > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > lucky -- > > > with > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take > the > > time > > > and > > > > > pick > > > > > > a > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > databases > > of > > > good > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > instance) > > from > > > > > > different > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- > and > > see > > > how > > > > the > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > dashas, > > > transits, > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to > work > > out > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > in > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write > or > > > someone > > > > else > > > > > > for > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > works > > > great! > > > > If > > > > > > it > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! > And > > if > > > doubt > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > motivate > > to > > > move > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, > and > > you > > > may > > > > > even > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > describes, > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since > it > > > describes > > > > > real > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > initial > > query > > > was > > > > a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > Eleventh > > > House > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of > any > > > planet, > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > inauspicious > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > spiritual > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > other.. > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > RELISH > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free > vedic > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- -- > ---- > > ---- > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Dear G Singh It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7 planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar experiences. The potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us angry. When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the nature of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is very clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we have done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out. My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the sub charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You should concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you have strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is the greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. All the best Naci Gulsan , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by many > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I myself > know astrology very well. > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th house. > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in Mars > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised by > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come when > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of days > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house and > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and Mars > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play important > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, and > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my chart. I > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > My birth data is given below: > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > 10:03 AM > Ludhiana, India > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain doshas?"is > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having doshas.May > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle of > births and deaths. > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that we > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses(2nd,6th > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we need > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is kama),one > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering his > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > janma and mrityu. > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments and > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the manner > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination to > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may be > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of Astrology,the > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and enable > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha but > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the > cause of Astrology. > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human beings > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what > the native intends. > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation and > correct path. > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the same > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > krishnan > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad makes > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > which > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position > too. > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > astrology > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. In > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely mentioning > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile and > so > > on in the charts! > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some of > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > addition > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will never > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched > soul > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will seek > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > spiritual > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended > in > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > three > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of desires, > > and > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > signifying > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > signifying > > > greed. > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas respectively. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that > is. > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that > > is > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > growth > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about > > the > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > money, > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma > > stuff > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > spiritual > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > ishta > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent > I > > > say, > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for > > > worldly > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > worked > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage > > out > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24- > > 31) > > > in > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I > > > truly > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > female > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version > that > > > we > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > originally > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we > > have > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise > > to > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > things, > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I > go > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and > > pick > > > a > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > different > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how > the > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits, > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > verbatim > > > in > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone > else > > > for > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! > If > > > it > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move > > > beyond > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may > > even > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > astrology > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes > > real > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was > a > > > bit > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House > > > makes > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, > > > whether > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'? > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > aspirations > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Dear Ashutosh I have 7 planets in the 7th, Could you tell me or anybody in the group the real reason why this happened in Jan-Fab 1962. What kind of change experienced in that time. So far I haven't found out. Surely there must be somebody out there who knows why it happened. Kind Regards Naci Gulsan , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > I have observed lots of people who were born in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all the riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that out of these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those which are not combust have given them the good results. The combust ones will also show their negative effects. > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are combust or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime importance to the strength of planets according to their placement in natal chart and other divisional charts. > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not call his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and a prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a common man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When Bill gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called a beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is in > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In order to > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury will > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. This is > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can ask > rohini ji for their opinion. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two are > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for Jupiter- > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > many > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > myself > > know astrology very well. > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > house. > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in > Mars > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised > by > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come > when > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period > or > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of > days > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury > in > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house > and > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > Mars > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > important > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > and > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > chart. I > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > 10:03 AM > > Ludhiana, India > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > doshas?"is > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > doshas.May > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd > as > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what > we > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than > get > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > cycle of > > births and deaths. > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > that we > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > Moksha > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > (2nd,6th > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > need > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > kama),one > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering > his > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > > janma and mrityu. > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > and > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > manner > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination > to > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may > be > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > various > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > Astrology,the > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > enable > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha > but > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to > the > > cause of Astrology. > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > beings > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > what > > the native intends. > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > and > > correct path. > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > same > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > krishnan > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > makes > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > > which > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > where > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > position > > too. > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > astrology > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. > In > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > mentioning > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > and > > so > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some > of > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > addition > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > never > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > wretched > > soul > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will > seek > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > spiritual > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > attended > > in > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > > three > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > desires, > > > and > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have > the > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > respectively. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > Pages)" > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > individuals > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > that > > is. > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and > that > > > is > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > growth > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > about > > > the > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > money, > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > dharma > > > stuff > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > > spiritual > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > > ishta > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > extent > > I > > > > say, > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently > for > > > > worldly > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > perhaps > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > > worked > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > mileage > > > out > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > Being > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain > the > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., > 24- > > > 31) > > > > in > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > edition). I > > > > truly > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > > female > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > version > > that > > > > we > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > originally > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what > we > > > have > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is > wise > > > to > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > > things, > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > very > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here > I > > go > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to > get > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- > with > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time > and > > > pick > > > > a > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of > good > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > > different > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > how > > the > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > transits, > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > verbatim > > > > in > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > someone > > else > > > > for > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > great! > > If > > > > it > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > doubt > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > move > > > > beyond > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > may > > > even > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > > astrology > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > describes > > > real > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query > was > > a > > > > bit > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > House > > > > makes > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > planet, > > > > whether > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > or 'bad'? > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > astrology > > > > > > ------------------------------ ----- > ---------- > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to determine the net effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you go back and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they also had 7 planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, chengez khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion did not work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun is with 6 other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give you high ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because mars is exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme bad in life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they hate me so much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was delayed because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 years. Rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in 11th house. So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. I came acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The person spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. Regards G. Singh , "dervish108" <dervish108> wrote: > > Dear G Singh > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7 > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar experiences. The > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us angry. > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the nature > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is very > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we have > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out. > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the sub > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You should > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you have > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is the > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > All the best > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > many > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > myself > > know astrology very well. > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > house. > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in > Mars > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised > by > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come > when > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of > days > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house > and > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > Mars > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > important > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > and > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > chart. I > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > 10:03 AM > > Ludhiana, India > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > doshas?"is > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > doshas.May > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle > of > > births and deaths. > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that > we > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses (2nd,6th > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > need > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > kama),one > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering > his > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > > janma and mrityu. > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > and > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > manner > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination > to > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may > be > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > Astrology,the > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > enable > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha > but > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the > > cause of Astrology. > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > beings > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what > > the native intends. > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > and > > correct path. > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > same > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > krishnan > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > makes > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > > which > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position > > too. > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > astrology > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. > In > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > mentioning > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > and > > so > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some > of > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > addition > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > never > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched > > soul > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will > seek > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > spiritual > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > attended > > in > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > > three > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > desires, > > > and > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > respectively. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > Pages)" > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > individuals > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > that > > is. > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and > that > > > is > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > growth > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > about > > > the > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > money, > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma > > > stuff > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > > spiritual > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > > ishta > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > extent > > I > > > > say, > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for > > > > worldly > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > perhaps > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > > worked > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > mileage > > > out > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > Being > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., > 24- > > > 31) > > > > in > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > edition). I > > > > truly > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > > female > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version > > that > > > > we > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > originally > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what > we > > > have > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is > wise > > > to > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > > things, > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here > I > > go > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to > get > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- > with > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time > and > > > pick > > > > a > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of > good > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > > different > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > how > > the > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > transits, > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > verbatim > > > > in > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone > > else > > > > for > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > great! > > If > > > > it > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > doubt > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > move > > > > beyond > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > may > > > even > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > > astrology > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > describes > > > real > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query > was > > a > > > > bit > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > House > > > > makes > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, > > > > whether > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > or 'bad'? > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Dear Ashutosh Ji - I see many speak about 5th house being related to love affairs, but I have not come along a chart that practically shows this through dasa bhukti or something. Of course I have not did a research stuff on this to be sure / confirm, but I think if it would be true, I could have noted this. Western astrology speaks about this more. To me 5th is the house of mental inclination, things a person takes interest in (and also has skills in etc.) but is it about love affairs? Not sure. Do you personally believe / found out through practice/experience that it stands for love affairs? I am not challenging you, but I am curious to know whether you found it through experience, for I find your views experience-oriented and I like most of them. Regards Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - astrologerashutosh Monday, September 26, 2005 9:40 AM Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) Dear Tanvir, The eleventh house is directly opposite to fifth house, the house of love-affairs. Any planet in 11th will aspect fifth house. 11th is also for friends and aquaintances besides money. Ashutosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Dear Krishnan Ji - Thanks for your answers. Perhaps I was not clear to explain my question. I understand your bhavat bhavam stuff and involvement of self efforts, son in law, boldness etc. I agree to them, too. But I was asking how can many planets in 11th house can offer numerous relationship? Ashutosh Ji already has provided his expert view but also any other ideas of course welcome... Thanks, Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - vattem krishnan Sunday, September 25, 2005 11:34 PM Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) Dear Tanvir ji, basically it is 2nd to 10th involving self efforts.As 7th from spouse it's relationsships includes daughter in law and son in law,aprt from paterna uncles,friends and elder brother.As 9th is Dharma bhava,3rd from it has to be kama bhava and bring in intitives and boldness to gain results out of 10th i.e artha bhava.position of numerous plantes dilute significance of the bhava and sign. If the issues is with reference to number of planets posited in 11th,the planet with least longitude has to be winner to bring in significance to kam bhava. The discussion if centered around gains,every thing has to be a gain.But then the story of planets has no full stop at any time as it is 6th from 6th. krishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Dear Naci It also happened in again perhaps in 2002 but why it happened ? No answer. But I am also suffering from karmic dogma of 1962. I have 7 planets in 8 th house. I love reading books. but i am a confused person. I have not found any satisfactory job of my taste. I am not professionally a stable person at all. I am also not a clever person. I am not assertive but i may love to write and speak on. I can work hard in intellectual ares. I dont like to meet professional astrolgers due to their greed. So i have not visited any of professional astrologer. I love to discuss. I not socially aggressive person. I quickly can be angered. I am sensitive and i feel hurt when people don't understand. I have give few of points of my personality to understand 7plantery kundli. If you can add to it................. Pankaj sharma Pankaj sharma 25th jan 1962 15.55 Rampuraphul Punjab India dervish108 <dervish108 wrote: Dear Ashutosh I have 7 planets in the 7th, Could you tell me or anybody in the group the real reason why this happened in Jan-Fab 1962. What kind of change experienced in that time. So far I haven't found out. Surely there must be somebody out there who knows why it happened. Kind Regards Naci Gulsan , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > I have observed lots of people who were born in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all the riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that out of these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those which are not combust have given them the good results. The combust ones will also show their negative effects. > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are combust or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime importance to the strength of planets according to their placement in natal chart and other divisional charts. > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not call his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and a prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a common man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When Bill gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called a beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is in > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In order to > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury will > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. This is > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can ask > rohini ji for their opinion. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two are > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for Jupiter- > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > many > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > myself > > know astrology very well. > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > house. > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in > Mars > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised > by > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come > when > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period > or > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of > days > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury > in > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house > and > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > Mars > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > important > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > and > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > chart. I > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > 10:03 AM > > Ludhiana, India > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > doshas?"is > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > doshas.May > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd > as > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what > we > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than > get > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > cycle of > > births and deaths. > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > that we > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > Moksha > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > (2nd,6th > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > need > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > kama),one > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering > his > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > > janma and mrityu. > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > and > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > manner > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination > to > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may > be > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > various > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > Astrology,the > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > enable > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha > but > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to > the > > cause of Astrology. > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > beings > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > what > > the native intends. > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > and > > correct path. > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > same > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > krishnan > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > makes > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > > which > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > where > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > position > > too. > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > astrology > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. > In > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > mentioning > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > and > > so > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some > of > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > addition > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > never > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > wretched > > soul > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will > seek > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > spiritual > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > attended > > in > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > > three > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > desires, > > > and > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have > the > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > respectively. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > Pages)" > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > individuals > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > that > > is. > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and > that > > > is > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > growth > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > about > > > the > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > money, > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > dharma > > > stuff > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > > spiritual > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > > ishta > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > extent > > I > > > > say, > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently > for > > > > worldly > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > perhaps > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > > worked > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > mileage > > > out > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > Being > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain > the > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., > 24- > > > 31) > > > > in > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > edition). I > > > > truly > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > > female > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > version > > that > > > > we > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > originally > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what > we > > > have > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is > wise > > > to > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > > things, > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > very > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here > I > > go > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to > get > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- > with > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time > and > > > pick > > > > a > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of > good > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > > different > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > how > > the > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > transits, > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > verbatim > > > > in > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > someone > > else > > > > for > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > great! > > If > > > > it > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > doubt > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > move > > > > beyond > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > may > > > even > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > > astrology > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > describes > > > real > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query > was > > a > > > > bit > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > House > > > > makes > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > planet, > > > > whether > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > or 'bad'? > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > astrology > > > > > > ------------------------------ ----- > ---------- > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Namaste Pankaj and all, When several planets are in conjunction in one sign, it is difficult to use the rashi chart for prediction purposes. The jyotishis should use the varga charts for more information, i.e. navamsha chart for better assessment of the planetary configurations relating to the person and marriage life; the dasamsha chart for finer details relating to the field of work and career. Regards, John R , pankaj sharma <astrologerpankaj> wrote: > Dear Naci > It also happened in again perhaps in 2002 but why it happened ? No answer. But I am also suffering from karmic dogma of 1962. I have 7 planets in 8 th house. I love reading books. but i am a confused person. I have not found any satisfactory job of my taste. I am not professionally a stable person at all. I am also not a clever person. I am not assertive but i may love to write and speak on. I can work hard in intellectual ares. I dont like to meet professional astrolgers due to their greed. So i have not visited any of professional astrologer. I love to discuss. I not socially aggressive person. I quickly can be angered. I am sensitive and i feel hurt when people don't understand. I have give few of points of my personality to understand 7plantery kundli. > If you can add to it................. > Pankaj sharma > Pankaj sharma > 25th jan 1962 > 15.55 > Rampuraphul Punjab India > > > dervish108 <dervish108> wrote: > Dear Ashutosh > > I have 7 planets in the 7th, Could you tell me or anybody in the > group the real reason why this happened in Jan-Fab 1962. What kind > of change experienced in that time. So far I haven't found out. > Surely there must be somebody out there who knows why it happened. > > Kind Regards > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > I have observed lots of people who were born > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all > the riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that > out of these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those > which are not combust have given them the good results. The combust > ones will also show their negative effects. > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are combust > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > importance to the strength of planets according to their placement > in natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not call > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and a > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a common > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When > Bill gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be > called a beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is > in > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In > order to > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury > will > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. > This is > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can > ask > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two are > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > Jupiter- > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told > by > > many > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > > myself > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > > house. > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > Dhanistha in > > Mars > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > promised > > by > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could > come > > when > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > period > > or > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > couple of > > days > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in > 11th > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > Mercury > > in > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th > house > > and > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, > and > > Mars > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > important > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > nakshatra, > > and > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > > chart. I > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > 10:03 AM > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > doshas?"is > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > doshas.May > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > considerd > > as > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches > what > > we > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > than > > get > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > > cycle of > > > births and deaths. > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will > be > > that we > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > > Moksha > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something > lost > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > (2nd,6th > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > artha > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs > of > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > shape > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then > we > > need > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > kama),one > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > time to > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > furthering > > his > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > cycles of > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > perspective of > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > attachments > > and > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in > the > > manner > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > decrimination > > to > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses > too may > > be > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > poorva > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of > the > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > > various > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > Astrology,the > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life > and > > enable > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is > moksha > > but > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > meant for > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving > to > > the > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > > beings > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > promote > > what > > > the native intends. > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > native > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > ealisation > > and > > > correct path. > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to > the > > same > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being > bad > > makes > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, > each of > > > which > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > > where > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > position > > > too. > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity > [11]. > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > most > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking > for > > > astrology > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > stance. > > In > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > mentioning > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half > and > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > fertile > > and > > > so > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, > some > > of > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared > for and > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > recent > > > addition > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and > will > > never > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > wretched > > > soul > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who > will > > seek > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > spiritual > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > <jr_esq> > > wrote: > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > attended > > > in > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas > (or > > > three > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > desires, > > > > and > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > house > > > > signifying > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > house > > > > signifying > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > have > > the > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > through > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > individuals > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > plane > > that > > > is. > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm > and > > that > > > > is > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > *spiritual* > > > growth > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology > is > > about > > > > the > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > jobs, > > > money, > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > > dharma > > > > stuff > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > yogas and > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies > and > > > ishta > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to > some > > extent > > > I > > > > > say, > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > efficiently > > for > > > > > worldly > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > perhaps > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > really > > > worked > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > mileage > > > > out > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > etc.? > > Being > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > explain > > the > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas > (e.g., > > 24- > > > > 31) > > > > > in > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > edition). I > > > > > truly > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with > their > > > > female > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > > version > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to > the > > > > > originally > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of > what > > we > > > > have > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but > it is > > wise > > > > to > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > worldly > > > > things, > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) > has > > very > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry > here > > I > > > go > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > going to > > get > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > lucky -- > > with > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the > time > > and > > > > pick > > > > > a > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > databases of > > good > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) > from > > > > > different > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and > see > > how > > > the > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > transits, > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work > out > > > > verbatim > > > > > in > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > > someone > > > else > > > > > for > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > works > > great! > > > If > > > > > it > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And > if > > doubt > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate > to > > move > > > > > beyond > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and > you > > may > > > > even > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > describes, > > > > > astrology > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > describes > > > > real > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial > query > > was > > > a > > > > > bit > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > Eleventh > > House > > > > > makes > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > > planet, > > > > > whether > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > spiritual > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > other.. > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > > astrology > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- - > ----- > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 This has potential for confusing some people, hence I ask. Hope you do not take this the wrong way? Are you saying that the use of vargas is even more important and decisive in such cases of multiple planets in a house (as well as twins, for instance -- I add!) or are you saying that vargas are of significance only in these cases and not where planets are more widely distributed. Both interprets intrigue me in a good way. The first one is more understandable but the second one is even more intriguing! Mind you I am just probing and exploring ... RR , "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > Namaste Pankaj and all, > > When several planets are in conjunction in one sign, it is difficult > to use the rashi chart for prediction purposes. The jyotishis should > use the varga charts for more information, i.e. navamsha chart for > better assessment of the planetary configurations relating to the > person and marriage life; the dasamsha chart for finer details > relating to the field of work and career. > > Regards, > > John R > > , pankaj sharma > <astrologerpankaj> wrote: > > Dear Naci > > It also happened in again perhaps in 2002 but why it happened ? No > answer. But I am also suffering from karmic dogma of 1962. I have 7 > planets in 8 th house. I love reading books. but i am a confused > person. I have not found any satisfactory job of my taste. I am not > professionally a stable person at all. I am also not a clever person. > I am not assertive but i may love to write and speak on. I can work > hard in intellectual ares. I dont like to meet professional > astrolgers due to their greed. So i have not visited any of > professional astrologer. I love to discuss. I not socially aggressive > person. I quickly can be angered. I am sensitive and i feel hurt when > people don't understand. I have give few of points of my personality > to understand 7plantery kundli. > > If you can add to it................. > > Pankaj sharma > > Pankaj sharma > > 25th jan 1962 > > 15.55 > > Rampuraphul Punjab India > > > > > > dervish108 <dervish108> wrote: > > Dear Ashutosh > > > > I have 7 planets in the 7th, Could you tell me or anybody in the > > group the real reason why this happened in Jan-Fab 1962. What kind > > of change experienced in that time. So far I haven't found out. > > Surely there must be somebody out there who knows why it happened. > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > I have observed lots of people who were born > > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of > > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all > > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all > > the riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that > > out of these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those > > which are not combust have given them the good results. The combust > > ones will also show their negative effects. > > > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are > combust > > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > > importance to the strength of planets according to their placement > > in natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not > call > > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and > a > > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a > common > > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When > > Bill gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be > > called a beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is > > in > > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In > > order to > > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have > > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury > > will > > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. > > This is > > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can > > ask > > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two are > > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > > Jupiter- > > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > Rohini > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > told > > by > > > many > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. > I > > > myself > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > 11th > > > house. > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > > Dhanistha in > > > Mars > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > promised > > > by > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could > > come > > > when > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > period > > > or > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > > couple of > > > days > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in > > 11th > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > Mercury > > > in > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th > > house > > > and > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, > > and > > > Mars > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > > important > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > nakshatra, > > > and > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for > my > > > chart. I > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > memebers. > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > > doshas?"is > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > doshas.May > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > considerd > > > as > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches > > what > > > we > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > > than > > > get > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > vicous > > > cycle of > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will > > be > > > that we > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > > > Moksha > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > something > > lost > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > > (2nd,6th > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham > and > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > > artha > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs > > of > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > > shape > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then > > we > > > need > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > > kama),one > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > > time to > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > furthering > > > his > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > cycles of > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > > perspective of > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > attachments > > > and > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in > > the > > > manner > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > decrimination > > > to > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses > > too may > > > be > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > > poorva > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing > of > > the > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > > > various > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > Astrology,the > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life > > and > > > enable > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is > > moksha > > > but > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > > meant for > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving > > to > > > the > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > human > > > beings > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > > promote > > > what > > > > the native intends. > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > > native > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > ealisation > > > and > > > > correct path. > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to > > the > > > same > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being > > bad > > > makes > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, > > each of > > > > which > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > SELF > > > where > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > > position > > > > too. > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > charity > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > > most > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking > > for > > > > astrology > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > > stance. > > > In > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > > mentioning > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > half > > and > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > fertile > > > and > > > > so > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > remedies, > > some > > > of > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared > > for and > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > recent > > > > addition > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and > > will > > > never > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > > wretched > > > > soul > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who > > will > > > seek > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to > the > > > > spiritual > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > <jr_esq> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > > attended > > > > in > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > Doshas > > (or > > > > three > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > > desires, > > > > > and > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > > have > > > the > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > > through > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > > (Crystal > > > Pages)" > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > individuals > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > > plane > > > that > > > > is. > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > realm > > and > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > *spiritual* > > > > growth > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology > > is > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > > jobs, > > > > money, > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > > > dharma > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > > yogas and > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > remedies > > and > > > > ishta > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to > > some > > > extent > > > > I > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > efficiently > > > for > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > > perhaps > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > > really > > > > worked > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > spiritual > > > mileage > > > > > out > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > > etc.? > > > Being > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > explain > > > the > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas > > (e.g., > > > 24- > > > > > 31) > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > edition). I > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with > > their > > > > > female > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > > > version > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to > > the > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much > of > > what > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but > > it is > > > wise > > > > > to > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > > worldly > > > > > things, > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) > > has > > > very > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > <sorry > > here > > > I > > > > go > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > > going to > > > get > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > lucky -- > > > with > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the > > time > > > and > > > > > pick > > > > > > a > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > > databases of > > > good > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > instance) > > from > > > > > > different > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and > > see > > > how > > > > the > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > > transits, > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work > > out > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > in > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > > > someone > > > > else > > > > > > for > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > > works > > > great! > > > > If > > > > > > it > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And > > if > > > doubt > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > motivate > > to > > > move > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and > > you > > > may > > > > > even > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > describes, > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > > describes > > > > > real > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial > > query > > > was > > > > a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > Eleventh > > > House > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > > > planet, > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > inauspicious > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > spiritual > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > > other.. > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > > AND > > > RELISH > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free > vedic > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- -- > - > > ----- > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Dear Tanvir, when we talk of 5th as 7th to 11th,we need ofcourse give priority to intellect,poorva janma irrespective of parctical issues and the natives experiences.Love offairs and relations may be coming up from other divisional charts.certainly natal implication as the indicate in the basic charts and the palneatary relationships have lot of significance in the life of any native.if practically situations differ,it is 'coz of significance in divisional cahrts. regards krishan Tanvir <ultimate wrote: Dear Krishnan Ji - Thanks for your answers. Perhaps I was not clear to explain my question. I understand your bhavat bhavam stuff and involvement of self efforts, son in law, boldness etc. I agree to them, too. But I was asking how can many planets in 11th house can offer numerous relationship? Ashutosh Ji already has provided his expert view but also any other ideas of course welcome... Thanks, Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - vattem krishnan Sunday, September 25, 2005 11:34 PM Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) Dear Tanvir ji, basically it is 2nd to 10th involving self efforts.As 7th from spouse it's relationsships includes daughter in law and son in law,aprt from paterna uncles,friends and elder brother.As 9th is Dharma bhava,3rd from it has to be kama bhava and bring in intitives and boldness to gain results out of 10th i.e artha bhava.position of numerous plantes dilute significance of the bhava and sign. If the issues is with reference to number of planets posited in 11th,the planet with least longitude has to be winner to bring in significance to kam bhava. The discussion if centered around gains,every thing has to be a gain.But then the story of planets has no full stop at any time as it is 6th from 6th. krishnan SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Visit your group "" on the web. for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Dear Naci, Very wise words and truly appreciable. You have all seven planets in 7th house. That means your thoughts and life revolves around people close to you. I am sure that you are highly perceptive and intuitive about other people. You can attain great heights in astrology. Why seven planets are not very beneficial? Because of the fact that some of them are combust. If Mr. G.Singh had only mars and saturn in capricorn in 11th house, he would have had more financial gains than what he is having now. Other planets rule different houses, some of which are malefic. They give their negative effects thus lowering the benefits of the beneficial ones. It is like drinking a mixture of cold water, milk, hot tea, hot coffee, beer, scotch, petrol and acid. What results will such a mixture have. Seven planets in one house sound and feel very good. The native has a very charming personality and is teeming with energy and ideas. But, mostly, such combinations destroy family life and take away the small but beautiful pleasures of life. What is the use of riches if one does not have a family to share them. A single spouse who is loving, caring and dedicated is better than a thousand lovers. In ninety percent of such cases, the native does not live beyond fifty years of age. Many people wear navgraha rings or perform navgraha pooja. That too is a useless activity. Not all of the nine planets can be beneficial or malefic for any one person. The result is always zero. Regards, Ashutosh - dervish108 Monday, 26 September, 2005 18:42 Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) Dear G Singh It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7 planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar experiences. The potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us angry. When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the nature of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is very clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we have done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out. My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the sub charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You should concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you have strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is the greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. All the best Naci Gulsan , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by many > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I myself > know astrology very well. > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th house. > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in Mars > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised by > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come when > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of days > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house and > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and Mars > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play important > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, and > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my chart. I > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > My birth data is given below: > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > 10:03 AM > Ludhiana, India > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain doshas?"is > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having doshas.May > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle of > births and deaths. > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that we > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses(2nd,6th > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we need > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is kama),one > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering his > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > janma and mrityu. > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments and > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the manner > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination to > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may be > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of Astrology,the > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and enable > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha but > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the > cause of Astrology. > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human beings > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what > the native intends. > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation and > correct path. > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the same > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > krishnan > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad makes > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > which > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position > too. > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > astrology > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. In > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely mentioning > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile and > so > > on in the charts! > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some of > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > addition > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will never > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched > soul > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will seek > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > spiritual > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended > in > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > three > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of desires, > > and > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > signifying > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > signifying > > > greed. > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas respectively. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that > is. > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that > > is > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > growth > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about > > the > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > money, > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma > > stuff > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > spiritual > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > ishta > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent > I > > > say, > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for > > > worldly > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > worked > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage > > out > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24- > > 31) > > > in > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I > > > truly > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > female > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version > that > > > we > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > originally > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we > > have > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise > > to > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > things, > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I > go > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and > > pick > > > a > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > different > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how > the > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits, > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > verbatim > > > in > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone > else > > > for > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! > If > > > it > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move > > > beyond > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may > > even > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > astrology > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes > > real > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was > a > > > bit > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House > > > makes > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, > > > whether > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'? > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > aspirations > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. 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Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Dear G. Singh, In Jan 1962, all nine planets had aligned and that event is even recorded in astronomical books and even in guiness book of world records. >From January 15th 1962 to feb 13th 1962, everyone who was born on this earth must have had six, seven or eight planets in one house. They are all 43 years old now. How many of them have become Gengiz Khan or Haider Ali? How many of them are ruling the world? There are more highly successful people on this earth who do not have more than three planets in one house. Your seven planets are with ketu, including your lagnesh. Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has given you stubbornness and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu and ketu take one away from reality. Ashutosh - hbk1hbk_2100 Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to determine the net effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you go back and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they also had 7 planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, chengez khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion did not work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun is with 6 other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give you high ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because mars is exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme bad in life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they hate me so much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was delayed because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 years. Rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in 11th house. So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. I came acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The person spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. Regards G. Singh , "dervish108" <dervish108> wrote: > > Dear G Singh > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7 > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar experiences. The > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us angry. > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the nature > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is very > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we have > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out. > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the sub > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You should > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you have > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is the > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > All the best > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > many > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > myself > > know astrology very well. > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > house. > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in > Mars > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised > by > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come > when > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of > days > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house > and > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > Mars > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > important > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > and > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > chart. I > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > 10:03 AM > > Ludhiana, India > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > doshas?"is > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > doshas.May > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle > of > > births and deaths. > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that > we > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses (2nd,6th > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > need > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > kama),one > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering > his > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > > janma and mrityu. > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > and > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > manner > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination > to > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may > be > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > Astrology,the > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > enable > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha > but > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the > > cause of Astrology. > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > beings > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what > > the native intends. > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > and > > correct path. > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > same > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > krishnan > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > makes > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > > which > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position > > too. > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > astrology > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. > In > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > mentioning > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > and > > so > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some > of > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > addition > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > never > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched > > soul > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will > seek > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > spiritual > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > attended > > in > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > > three > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > desires, > > > and > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > respectively. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > Pages)" > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > individuals > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > that > > is. > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and > that > > > is > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > growth > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > about > > > the > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > money, > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma > > > stuff > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > > spiritual > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > > ishta > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > extent > > I > > > > say, > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for > > > > worldly > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > perhaps > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > > worked > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > mileage > > > out > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > Being > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., > 24- > > > 31) > > > > in > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > edition). I > > > > truly > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > > female > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version > > that > > > > we > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > originally > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what > we > > > have > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is > wise > > > to > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > > things, > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here > I > > go > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to > get > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- > with > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time > and > > > pick > > > > a > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of > good > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > > different > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > how > > the > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > transits, > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > verbatim > > > > in > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone > > else > > > > for > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > great! > > If > > > > it > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > doubt > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > move > > > > beyond > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > may > > > even > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > > astrology > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > describes > > > real > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query > was > > a > > > > bit > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > House > > > > makes > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, > > > > whether > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > or 'bad'? > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Dear Tanvir, 5th house is for intellect and eleventh for friends. Usually the love affairs begin as a friendship between the two sexes. Fifth being seventh from fifth, it represents the marital, sexual and romantic aspects of one's friends. Planets like mars, venus, moon and rahu, are more responsible for love affairs when placed in fifth or aspecting fifth. The dasha or bhukti of fifth lord does not reflect the affairs, because the main house for everything related to love or marriage is seventh. Fifth gives a direction to the seventh house. It is also 11th from seventh, spouse's friends who are more likely to be of the opposite sex. But, as a rule, one should primarily look at seventh house for love and marriage and if there is a connection between seventh, and fifth, then one can be very certain about love affairs. Seventh is for very close and sharing relationships, while fifth is only for romantic affairs. One who has a lot of friends, is more likely to have more affairs than one who has limited friends. Here, by affairs, I do not mean relationship only for physical gratification. One can get physical pleasure only by spending money, but romantic affairs need the fuel of emotions. Fifth house is one of the main houses for thoughts and emotions, the other being the fourth house. Most romantic relationships begin either at the place where one studies, college or school, and their success also depends on money power (in most cases). Again, Fifth- education and eleventh- money. These are ideas born out of my personal experiences. I would love to have views from you on them and further addition to the knowledge on this topic. Regards, Ashutosh - Tanvir Monday, 26 September, 2005 22:30 Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) Dear Ashutosh Ji - I see many speak about 5th house being related to love affairs, but I have not come along a chart that practically shows this through dasa bhukti or something. Of course I have not did a research stuff on this to be sure / confirm, but I think if it would be true, I could have noted this. Western astrology speaks about this more. To me 5th is the house of mental inclination, things a person takes interest in (and also has skills in etc.) but is it about love affairs? Not sure. Do you personally believe / found out through practice/experience that it stands for love affairs? I am not challenging you, but I am curious to know whether you found it through experience, for I find your views experience-oriented and I like most of them. Regards Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - astrologerashutosh Monday, September 26, 2005 9:40 AM Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) Dear Tanvir, The eleventh house is directly opposite to fifth house, the house of love-affairs. Any planet in 11th will aspect fifth house. 11th is also for friends and aquaintances besides money. Ashutosh SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology a.. Visit your group "" on the web. b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Dear Asutosh I know few people who have this combination. People who have this combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing very well some of them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he has this combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. These planets are in capricorn, and saturn matures at the age of 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my case I had to go through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted my death also as rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th lord mercury's nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it aspects all seven planets so it effected everything in my life. I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many people look like 28 at the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad health like you did. Other astrologers predicted I may never even have to see a doctor in my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I have interest in martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body builder also. I am 6'1" tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You won't believe just this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl that she can't beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. I don't know about other people. But you will definitely remember me one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I am good looking and handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury venus gave me good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness and physical stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with all these planets gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is saying spirituality again and again. Who wants spirituality? Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and Ketu will activate Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's crystal pages pdf file. This is what he mentioned over there. In order to activate mars you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am lucky that my lagna lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of the 2nd lord exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all these planets are in 2nd house from moon. We will continue from here next time .... Regards G. Singh , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G. Singh, > > In Jan 1962, all nine planets had aligned and that event is even recorded in astronomical books and even in guiness book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to feb 13th 1962, everyone who was born on this earth must have had six, seven or eight planets in one house. They are all 43 years old now. > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan or Haider Ali? How many of them are ruling the world? There are more highly successful people on this earth who do not have more than three planets in one house. > > Your seven planets are with ketu, including your lagnesh. Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has given you stubbornness and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu and ketu take one away from reality. > > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to determine the net > effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you go back > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they also had 7 > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, chengez > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion did not > work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun is with 6 > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give you high > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because mars is > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme bad in > life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they hate me so > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was delayed > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 years. Rahu is > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in 11th house. > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. I came > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The person > spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > > , "dervish108" > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7 > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar experiences. > The > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us angry. > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the nature > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is very > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we > have > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out. > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the sub > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You should > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you have > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is the > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > > > All the best > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > > many > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > > myself > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > > house. > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in > > Mars > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised > > by > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come > > when > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period > or > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of > > days > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury > in > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house > > and > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > > Mars > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > important > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > > and > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > > chart. I > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > 10:03 AM > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > doshas?"is > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > doshas.May > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd > as > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what > we > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than > get > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > cycle > > of > > > births and deaths. > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > that > > we > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > Moksha > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > (2nd,6th > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > > need > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > kama),one > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering > > his > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > > and > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > > manner > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination > > to > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may > > be > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > various > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > Astrology,the > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > > enable > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha > > but > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to > the > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > > beings > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > what > > > the native intends. > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > > and > > > correct path. > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > > same > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > > makes > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > > > which > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > where > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > position > > > too. > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > > astrology > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. > > In > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > mentioning > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > > and > > > so > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some > > of > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > > addition > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > > never > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > wretched > > > soul > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will > > seek > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > spiritual > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > > wrote: > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > attended > > > in > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > > > three > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > desires, > > > > and > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > > signifying > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > > signifying > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have > the > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > individuals > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > > that > > > is. > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and > > that > > > > is > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > > growth > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > > about > > > > the > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > > money, > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > dharma > > > > stuff > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > > > ishta > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > > extent > > > I > > > > > say, > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently > for > > > > > worldly > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > perhaps > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > > > worked > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > mileage > > > > out > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > > Being > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain > the > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., > > 24- > > > > 31) > > > > > in > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > edition). I > > > > > truly > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > > > female > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > version > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > > originally > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what > > we > > > > have > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is > > wise > > > > to > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > > > things, > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > very > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here > > I > > > go > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to > > get > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- > > with > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time > > and > > > > pick > > > > > a > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of > > good > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > > > different > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > > how > > > the > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > transits, > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > > verbatim > > > > > in > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > someone > > > else > > > > > for > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > > great! > > > If > > > > > it > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > > doubt > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > > move > > > > > beyond > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > > may > > > > even > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > > > astrology > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > describes > > > > real > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query > > was > > > a > > > > > bit > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > > House > > > > > makes > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > planet, > > > > > whether > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > -- ---------- > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Dear G.Singh, The biggest mistake which astrologers make is to give preference to moon than lagna. As I said, ketu has given you the feeling of incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be ready for it. Over-confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder attempts, sexually transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's negative results. Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand in hand. In your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is being kept at bay by ketu. This is my last reply to you. All my best wishes are with you. I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such debates are good for the spread of astrological knowledge. Regards, Ashutosh P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. Identify them and be at peace. [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology group, but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] - hbk1hbk_2100 Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) Dear Asutosh I know few people who have this combination. People who have this combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing very well some of them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he has this combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. These planets are in capricorn, and saturn matures at the age of 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my case I had to go through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted my death also as rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th lord mercury's nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it aspects all seven planets so it effected everything in my life. I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many people look like 28 at the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad health like you did. Other astrologers predicted I may never even have to see a doctor in my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I have interest in martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body builder also. I am 6'1" tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You won't believe just this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl that she can't beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. I don't know about other people. But you will definitely remember me one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I am good looking and handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury venus gave me good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness and physical stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with all these planets gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is saying spirituality again and again. Who wants spirituality? Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and Ketu will activate Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's crystal pages pdf file. This is what he mentioned over there. In order to activate mars you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am lucky that my lagna lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of the 2nd lord exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all these planets are in 2nd house from moon. We will continue from here next time .... Regards G. Singh , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G. Singh, > > In Jan 1962, all nine planets had aligned and that event is even recorded in astronomical books and even in guiness book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to feb 13th 1962, everyone who was born on this earth must have had six, seven or eight planets in one house. They are all 43 years old now. > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan or Haider Ali? How many of them are ruling the world? There are more highly successful people on this earth who do not have more than three planets in one house. > > Your seven planets are with ketu, including your lagnesh. Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has given you stubbornness and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu and ketu take one away from reality. > > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to determine the net > effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you go back > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they also had 7 > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, chengez > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion did not > work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun is with 6 > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give you high > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because mars is > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme bad in > life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they hate me so > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was delayed > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 years. Rahu is > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in 11th house. > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. I came > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The person > spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > > , "dervish108" > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7 > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar experiences. > The > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us angry. > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the nature > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is very > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we > have > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out. > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the sub > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You should > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you have > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is the > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > > > All the best > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > > many > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > > myself > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > > house. > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in > > Mars > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised > > by > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come > > when > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period > or > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of > > days > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury > in > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house > > and > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > > Mars > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > important > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > > and > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > > chart. I > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > 10:03 AM > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > doshas?"is > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > doshas.May > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd > as > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what > we > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than > get > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > cycle > > of > > > births and deaths. > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > that > > we > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > Moksha > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > (2nd,6th > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > > need > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > kama),one > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering > > his > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > > and > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > > manner > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination > > to > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may > > be > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > various > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > Astrology,the > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > > enable > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha > > but > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to > the > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > > beings > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > what > > > the native intends. > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > > and > > > correct path. > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > > same > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > > makes > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > > > which > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > where > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > position > > > too. > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > > astrology > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. > > In > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > mentioning > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > > and > > > so > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some > > of > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > > addition > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > > never > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > wretched > > > soul > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will > > seek > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > spiritual > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > > wrote: > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > attended > > > in > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > > > three > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > desires, > > > > and > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > > signifying > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > > signifying > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have > the > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > individuals > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > > that > > > is. > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and > > that > > > > is > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > > growth > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > > about > > > > the > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > > money, > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > dharma > > > > stuff > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > > > ishta > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > > extent > > > I > > > > > say, > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently > for > > > > > worldly > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > perhaps > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > > > worked > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > mileage > > > > out > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > > Being > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain > the > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., > > 24- > > > > 31) > > > > > in > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > edition). I > > > > > truly > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > > > female > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > version > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > > originally > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what > > we > > > > have > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is > > wise > > > > to > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > > > things, > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > very > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here > > I > > > go > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to > > get > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- > > with > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time > > and > > > > pick > > > > > a > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of > > good > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > > > different > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > > how > > > the > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > transits, > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > > verbatim > > > > > in > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > someone > > > else > > > > > for > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > > great! > > > If > > > > > it > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > > doubt > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > > move > > > > > beyond > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > > may > > > > even > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > > > astrology > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > describes > > > > real > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query > > was > > > a > > > > > bit > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > > House > > > > > makes > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > planet, > > > > > whether > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > -- ---------- > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Namaste Rohini, You've raised a good question. My point is that the analysis should be holistic in its approach. One can only do this by considering all the factors that support the rashi chart, i.e. the varga charts. The rashi chart only provides the broad overview of a person's life. Life is complicated and can be painted in many hues of color. As such, the interpretation of the chart needs to include the analysis of the varga charts, at least the navamsha or the dasamsha, to capture the various factors surrounding a person's life. For example, the navamsha chart reveals many information about the person's character, physical makeup, and career choices in addition to information about the spouse. Also, the dasamsha chart provides further details of the career choices of individuals. In particular, the dasamsha chart can show when is the best time to work for someone, or to start one's own business. Specifically, if the lagna lord of D10 is located in the 9th house, the person will be independent and would not want to be a subordinate. Therefore, it is better for this person to start his or her own business. Regards, John R. , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > This has potential for confusing some people, hence I ask. Hope you > do not take this the wrong way? > > Are you saying that the use of vargas is even more important and > decisive in such cases of multiple planets in a house (as well as > twins, for instance -- I add!) or are you saying that vargas are of > significance only in these cases and not where planets are more > widely distributed. > > Both interprets intrigue me in a good way. The first one is more > understandable but the second one is even more intriguing! > > Mind you I am just probing and exploring ... > > RR > > > , "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > > Namaste Pankaj and all, > > > > When several planets are in conjunction in one sign, it is > difficult > > to use the rashi chart for prediction purposes. The jyotishis > should > > use the varga charts for more information, i.e. navamsha chart for > > better assessment of the planetary configurations relating to the > > person and marriage life; the dasamsha chart for finer details > > relating to the field of work and career. > > > > Regards, > > > > John R > > > > , pankaj sharma > > <astrologerpankaj> wrote: > > > Dear Naci > > > It also happened in again perhaps in 2002 but why it happened ? > No > > answer. But I am also suffering from karmic dogma of 1962. I have 7 > > planets in 8 th house. I love reading books. but i am a confused > > person. I have not found any satisfactory job of my taste. I am not > > professionally a stable person at all. I am also not a clever > person. > > I am not assertive but i may love to write and speak on. I can work > > hard in intellectual ares. I dont like to meet professional > > astrolgers due to their greed. So i have not visited any of > > professional astrologer. I love to discuss. I not socially > aggressive > > person. I quickly can be angered. I am sensitive and i feel hurt > when > > people don't understand. I have give few of points of my > personality > > to understand 7plantery kundli. > > > If you can add to it................. > > > Pankaj sharma > > > Pankaj sharma > > > 25th jan 1962 > > > 15.55 > > > Rampuraphul Punjab India > > > > > > > > > dervish108 <dervish108> wrote: > > > Dear Ashutosh > > > > > > I have 7 planets in the 7th, Could you tell me or anybody in the > > > group the real reason why this happened in Jan-Fab 1962. What > kind > > > of change experienced in that time. So far I haven't found out. > > > Surely there must be somebody out there who knows why it happened. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > I have observed lots of people who were > born > > > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some > of > > > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all > > > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all > > > the riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is > that > > > out of these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only > those > > > which are not combust have given them the good results. The > combust > > > ones will also show their negative effects. > > > > > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are > > combust > > > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > > > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > > > importance to the strength of planets according to their > placement > > > in natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not > > call > > > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince > and > > a > > > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a > > common > > > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When > > > Bill gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be > > > called a beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house > is > > > in > > > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In > > > order to > > > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I > have > > > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu > mercury > > > will > > > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. > > > This is > > > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You > can > > > ask > > > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two > are > > > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > > > Jupiter- > > > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > > Rohini > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > > told > > > by > > > > many > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > wealth. > > I > > > > myself > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > > 11th > > > > house. > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > > > Dhanistha in > > > > Mars > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > > promised > > > > by > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth > could > > > come > > > > when > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > period > > > > or > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > > > couple of > > > > days > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon > in > > > 11th > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > > Mercury > > > > in > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of > 5th > > > house > > > > and > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > Jupiter, > > > and > > > > Mars > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will > play > > > > important > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > > nakshatra, > > > > and > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for > > my > > > > chart. I > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > contain > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > > doshas.May > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > > considerd > > > > as > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > teaches > > > what > > > > we > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > > > than > > > > get > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > > vicous > > > > cycle of > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result > will > > > be > > > > that we > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment > of > > > > Moksha > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > > something > > > lost > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham > > and > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > > > artha > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > baiscs > > > of > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > > > shape > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > vairagya.Then > > > we > > > > need > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain > is > > > > kama),one > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > > > time to > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > > furthering > > > > his > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > > cycles of > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > > > perspective of > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > > attachments > > > > and > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in > > > the > > > > manner > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > > decrimination > > > > to > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses > > > too may > > > > be > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > > > poorva > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing > > of > > > the > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance > of > > > > various > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life > > > and > > > > enable > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life > is > > > moksha > > > > but > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > > > meant for > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > serving > > > to > > > > the > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > > human > > > > beings > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > > > promote > > > > what > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > > > native > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > > ealisation > > > > and > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed > to > > > the > > > > same > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. > and > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > being > > > bad > > > > makes > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, > > > each of > > > > > which > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > > SELF > > > > where > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > > > position > > > > > too. > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > > charity > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > > > most > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking > > > for > > > > > astrology > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > > > stance. > > > > In > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > merely > > > > mentioning > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > > half > > > and > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > > fertile > > > > and > > > > > so > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > > remedies, > > > some > > > > of > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared > > > for and > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > > recent > > > > > addition > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and > > > will > > > > never > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > > > wretched > > > > > soul > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one > who > > > will > > > > seek > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to > > the > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > > <jr_esq> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar > I've > > > > attended > > > > > in > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > > Doshas > > > (or > > > > > three > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house > of > > > > desires, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > > > house > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > > > house > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > > > have > > > > the > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > > > through > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > > > (Crystal > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > > > plane > > > > that > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > > realm > > > and > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > > *spiritual* > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > astrology > > > is > > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > > > jobs, > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit > of > > > > dharma > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > > > yogas and > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > > remedies > > > and > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to > > > some > > > > extent > > > > > I > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > > efficiently > > > > for > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly > and > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > > > really > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > > spiritual > > > > mileage > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > > > etc.? > > > > Being > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > > explain > > > > the > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > shlokas > > > (e.g., > > > > 24- > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that > with > > > their > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > distorted > > > > version > > > > > that > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance > to > > > the > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much > > of > > > what > > > > we > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible > but > > > it is > > > > wise > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > > > worldly > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) > > > has > > > > very > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > > <sorry > > > here > > > > I > > > > > go > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > > > going to > > > > get > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > > lucky -- > > > > with > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take > the > > > time > > > > and > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > > > databases of > > > > good > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > > instance) > > > from > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- > and > > > see > > > > how > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > dashas, > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to > work > > > out > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write > or > > > > someone > > > > > else > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > > > works > > > > great! > > > > > If > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! > And > > > if > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > > motivate > > > to > > > > move > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, > and > > > you > > > > may > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > > describes, > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since > it > > > > describes > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > initial > > > query > > > > was > > > > > a > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > > Eleventh > > > > House > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of > any > > > > planet, > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > > inauspicious > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > > > other.. > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > > > AND > > > > RELISH > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > Terms of > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free > > vedic > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- -- > -- > > - > > > ----- > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good nakshatra the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also Ketu is surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47. This is the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book How to Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned clearly that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through lottery. Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology also mentioned same thing. When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to time events and see transits I consider moon sign. I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their case most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house. Then they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras. That makes them killer and criminal. You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make predictions. You do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people and then start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from -100 to +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the dark. Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are not and your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it to vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer. This is what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people. Finally I decided to master this science myself and became astrologer. Regards G. Singh , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > The biggest mistake which astrologers make is to give preference to moon than lagna. > > As I said, ketu has given you the feeling of incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be ready for it. Over- confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder attempts, sexually transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's negative results. > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand in hand. In your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is being kept at bay by ketu. > > This is my last reply to you. All my best wishes are with you. > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such debates are good for the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. Identify them and be at peace. > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology group, but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > Dear Asutosh > > I know few people who have this combination. People who have this > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing very well some of > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he has this > combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn matures at the age of > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my case I had to go > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted my death also as > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th lord mercury's > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it aspects all seven > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many people look like 28 at > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad health like you did. > Other astrologers predicted I may never even have to see a doctor in > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I have interest in > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body builder also. I am 6'1" > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You won't believe just > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl that she can't > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > I don't know about other people. But you will definitely remember me > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I am good looking and > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury venus gave me > good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness and physical > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with all these planets > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is saying > spirituality again and again. Who wants spirituality? > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and Ketu will activate > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's crystal pages pdf > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In order to activate mars > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am lucky that my lagna > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of the 2nd lord > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all these planets are > in 2nd house from moon. > > We will continue from here next time .... > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine planets had aligned and > that event is even recorded in astronomical books and even in guiness > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to feb 13th 1962, > everyone who was born on this earth must have had six, seven or eight > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old now. > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan or Haider Ali? How > many of them are ruling the world? There are more highly successful > people on this earth who do not have more than three planets in one > house. > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, including your lagnesh. > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has given you stubbornness > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu and ketu take one > away from reality. > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to determine the > net > > effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you go > back > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they also had > 7 > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, > chengez > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion did > not > > work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun is > with 6 > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give you > high > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because mars is > > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme bad in > > life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they hate > me so > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was delayed > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 years. > Rahu is > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in 11th > house. > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. I > came > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The person > > spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > , "dervish108" > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7 > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar > experiences. > > The > > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to > > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us > angry. > > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the > nature > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is > very > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we > > have > > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out. > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the > sub > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You > should > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you > have > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is > the > > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told > by > > > many > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > > > myself > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > > > house. > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha > in > > > Mars > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > promised > > > by > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could > come > > > when > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > period > > or > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple > of > > > days > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in > 11th > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > Mercury > > in > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th > house > > > and > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, > and > > > Mars > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > > important > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > nakshatra, > > > and > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > > > chart. I > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > > doshas?"is > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > doshas.May > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > considerd > > as > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches > what > > we > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > than > > get > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > > cycle > > > of > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > > that > > > we > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > > Moksha > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something > lost > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > (2nd,6th > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > artha > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > shape > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then > we > > > need > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > > kama),one > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > time to > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > furthering > > > his > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > cycles of > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective > of > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > attachments > > > and > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > > > manner > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > decrimination > > > to > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too > may > > > be > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > poorva > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of > the > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > > various > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > Astrology,the > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > > > enable > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is > moksha > > > but > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant > for > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving > to > > the > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > > > beings > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > > what > > > > the native intends. > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > ealisation > > > and > > > > correct path. > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to > the > > > same > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being > bad > > > makes > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each > of > > > > which > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > > where > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > position > > > > too. > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > most > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > > > astrology > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > stance. > > > In > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > > mentioning > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half > and > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > fertile > > > and > > > > so > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, > some > > > of > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for > and > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > recent > > > > addition > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > > > never > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > wretched > > > > soul > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who > will > > > seek > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > > spiritual > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > <jr_esq> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > > attended > > > > in > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas > (or > > > > three > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > > desires, > > > > > and > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > have > > the > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > through > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > > Pages)" > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > individuals > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > plane > > > that > > > > is. > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm > and > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > *spiritual* > > > > growth > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology > is > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > jobs, > > > > money, > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > > dharma > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas > and > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies > and > > > > ishta > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > > > extent > > > > I > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > efficiently > > for > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > > perhaps > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > really > > > > worked > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > > mileage > > > > > out > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > etc.? > > > Being > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > explain > > the > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas > (e.g., > > > 24- > > > > > 31) > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > edition). I > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with > their > > > > > female > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > > version > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to > the > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of > what > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it > is > > > wise > > > > > to > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > worldly > > > > > things, > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > > very > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry > here > > > I > > > > go > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going > to > > > get > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > lucky -- > > > with > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the > time > > > and > > > > > pick > > > > > > a > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases > of > > > good > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) > from > > > > > > different > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and > see > > > how > > > > the > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > > transits, > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work > out > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > in > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > > someone > > > > else > > > > > > for > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > > > great! > > > > If > > > > > > it > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And > if > > > doubt > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate > to > > > move > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and > you > > > may > > > > > even > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > describes, > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > > describes > > > > > real > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial > query > > > was > > > > a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > Eleventh > > > House > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > > planet, > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > spiritual > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- ---- > ---------- > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Dear G.Singh Nakshatras are important. The deha and Jeeva concept is unique to Nakshatras and is applicable to other branches of astrology also. For example in Narayan dasa system, The dasa itself is the deha and the lord the Jeeva. Regards Partha , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good nakshatra > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also Ketu is > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47. This is > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book How to > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned clearly > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through lottery. > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology also > mentioned same thing. > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to time events > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their case > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house. Then > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras. That > makes them killer and criminal. > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make predictions. You > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people and then > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from -100 to > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the dark. > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are not and > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it to > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer. This is > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people. Finally I > decided to master this science myself and became astrologer. > > Regards > > G. Singh > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > The biggest mistake which astrologers make is > to give preference to moon than lagna. > > > > As I said, ketu has given you the feeling of > incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be ready for it. Over- > confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder attempts, sexually > transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's negative results. > > > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand in hand. In > your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is being kept at bay by > ketu. > > > > This is my last reply to you. All my best wishes are with > you. > > > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such debates are good for > the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. Identify them and > be at peace. > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology group, > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > Dear Asutosh > > > > I know few people who have this combination. People who have this > > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing very well > some of > > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he has this > > combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. > > > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn matures at the age > of > > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my case I had to > go > > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted my death also > as > > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th lord mercury's > > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it aspects all > seven > > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many people look like > 28 at > > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad health like you > did. > > Other astrologers predicted I may never even have to see a doctor > in > > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I have interest in > > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body builder also. I am > 6'1" > > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You won't believe just > > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl that she > can't > > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > > > I don't know about other people. But you will definitely remember > me > > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I am good looking > and > > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury venus gave me > > good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness and physical > > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with all these > planets > > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is saying > > spirituality again and again. Who wants spirituality? > > > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra the ruler of > 2nd > > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and Ketu will > activate > > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's crystal pages pdf > > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In order to activate > mars > > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am lucky that my > lagna > > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of the 2nd lord > > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all these planets > are > > in 2nd house from moon. > > > > We will continue from here next time .... > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine planets had aligned > and > > that event is even recorded in astronomical books and even in > guiness > > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to feb 13th 1962, > > everyone who was born on this earth must have had six, seven or > eight > > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old now. > > > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan or Haider Ali? > How > > many of them are ruling the world? There are more highly > successful > > people on this earth who do not have more than three planets in > one > > house. > > > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, including your > lagnesh. > > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has given you > stubbornness > > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu and ketu take > one > > away from reality. > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to determine > the > > net > > > effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you > go > > back > > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they also > had > > 7 > > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, > > chengez > > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion > did > > not > > > work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun is > > with 6 > > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give > you > > high > > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because mars > is > > > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme > bad in > > > life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they > hate > > me so > > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was > delayed > > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 years. > > Rahu is > > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in > 11th > > house. > > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. > > > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. I > > came > > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The > person > > > spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "dervish108" > > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I > have 7 > > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar > > experiences. > > > The > > > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due > to > > > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us > > angry. > > > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > > > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful > > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am > trying to > > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the > > nature > > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is > > very > > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know > what we > > > have > > > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find > out. > > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to > the > > sub > > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You > > should > > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, > you > > have > > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that > is > > the > > > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > told > > by > > > > many > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > wealth. I > > > > myself > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > 11th > > > > house. > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > Dhanistha > > in > > > > Mars > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > promised > > > > by > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth > could > > come > > > > when > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > period > > > or > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > couple > > of > > > > days > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon > in > > 11th > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > Mercury > > > in > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of > 5th > > house > > > > and > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > Jupiter, > > and > > > > Mars > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will > play > > > > important > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > nakshatra, > > > > and > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for > my > > > > chart. I > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > contain > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > > doshas.May > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > considerd > > > as > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > teaches > > what > > > we > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > > than > > > get > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > vicous > > > cycle > > > > of > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result > will be > > > that > > > > we > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment > of > > > Moksha > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > something > > lost > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham > and > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > > artha > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > baiscs of > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > > shape > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > vairagya.Then > > we > > > > need > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain > is > > > > kama),one > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > > time to > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > furthering > > > > his > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > cycles of > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > perspective > > of > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > attachments > > > > and > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in > the > > > > manner > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > decrimination > > > > to > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses > too > > may > > > > be > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > > poorva > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing > of > > the > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance > of > > > various > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life > and > > > > enable > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life > is > > moksha > > > > but > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > meant > > for > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > serving > > to > > > the > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > human > > > > beings > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > promote > > > what > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > native > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > ealisation > > > > and > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed > to > > the > > > > same > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. > and > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > being > > bad > > > > makes > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, > each > > of > > > > > which > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > SELF > > > where > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > > position > > > > > too. > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > charity > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > > most > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking > for > > > > > astrology > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > > stance. > > > > In > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > merely > > > > mentioning > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > half > > and > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > fertile > > > > and > > > > > so > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > remedies, > > some > > > > of > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared > for > > and > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > recent > > > > > addition > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and > will > > > > never > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > > wretched > > > > > soul > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one > who > > will > > > > seek > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to > the > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > <jr_esq> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar > I've > > > > attended > > > > > in > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > Doshas > > (or > > > > > three > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house > of > > > > desires, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > > house > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > > house > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > > have > > > the > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > > through > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > (Crystal > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > > plane > > > > that > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > realm > > and > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > *spiritual* > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > astrology > > is > > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > > jobs, > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit > of > > > dharma > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > yogas > > and > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > remedies > > and > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to > some > > > > extent > > > > > I > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > efficiently > > > for > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly > and > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > > really > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > spiritual > > > > mileage > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > > etc.? > > > > Being > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > explain > > > the > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > shlokas > > (e.g., > > > > 24- > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that > with > > their > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > distorted > > > version > > > > > that > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance > to > > the > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much > of > > what > > > > we > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible > but it > > is > > > > wise > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > > worldly > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) > has > > > very > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > <sorry > > here > > > > I > > > > > go > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > going > > to > > > > get > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > lucky -- > > > > with > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take > the > > time > > > > and > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > databases > > of > > > > good > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > instance) > > from > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- > and > > see > > > > how > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > dashas, > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to > work > > out > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write > or > > > someone > > > > > else > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > works > > > > great! > > > > > If > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! > And > > if > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > motivate > > to > > > > move > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, > and > > you > > > > may > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > describes, > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since > it > > > > describes > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > initial > > query > > > > was > > > > > a > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > Eleventh > > > > House > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of > any > > > planet, > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > inauspicious > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > spiritual > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > other.. > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > RELISH > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > Terms of > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- -- > ---- > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 daer tanvir ji May I interupt please, sorry. Many astrolgers say that 5th house is house of strong emotions, fun and entertainment. A mixture of fun, emotions and entertainment also is a pointer towards sexuality and flirting with opposite sex. How can we deny that sexual relations of man and woman lead to reproduction and ofcourse a issue of bilateral sexual satisfaction. Sex is also mental and physical need in addition to biological need( to perpetuate the race). So if we take view of mammalians( no doubt we are the most sophisticated mammalians in terms of sexualtiy), we see when ever they do sex, they do it only for multiplication. The god has gifted us with sexual pleasure in addition to it. So we need some sort of liking of our partners! Liking for other's company, love, flirting and sexual relations beyond wedlock may be the issues relating to emotions. So that way it may be related to 5th house, atleast to some extent. Love may be contended as the purest expression of feelings and strong emotions for others but strong emotions may also involve also raping other which nodoubt is done without the consent of the partner and is denounced by the society but it may a form of strong emotion and lust for other which can not be expression of pure love. It is done with selfishness and muscle power. I think it is enough indication for discussion on fifth house. I have tried to explain how the astrologers might have deduced that 5th house represents love affairs. The sane and prudent gurus shower light on the issue! Pankaj sharma vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Dear Tanvir, when we talk of 5th as 7th to 11th,we need ofcourse give priority to intellect,poorva janma irrespective of parctical issues and the natives experiences.Love offairs and relations may be coming up from other divisional charts.certainly natal implication as the indicate in the basic charts and the palneatary relationships have lot of significance in the life of any native.if practically situations differ,it is 'coz of significance in divisional cahrts. regards krishan Tanvir <ultimate wrote: Dear Krishnan Ji - Thanks for your answers. Perhaps I was not clear to explain my question. I understand your bhavat bhavam stuff and involvement of self efforts, son in law, boldness etc. I agree to them, too. But I was asking how can many planets in 11th house can offer numerous relationship? Ashutosh Ji already has provided his expert view but also any other ideas of course welcome... Thanks, Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - vattem krishnan Sunday, September 25, 2005 11:34 PM Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) Dear Tanvir ji, basically it is 2nd to 10th involving self efforts.As 7th from spouse it's relationsships includes daughter in law and son in law,aprt from paterna uncles,friends and elder brother.As 9th is Dharma bhava,3rd from it has to be kama bhava and bring in intitives and boldness to gain results out of 10th i.e artha bhava.position of numerous plantes dilute significance of the bhava and sign. If the issues is with reference to number of planets posited in 11th,the planet with least longitude has to be winner to bring in significance to kam bhava. The discussion if centered around gains,every thing has to be a gain.But then the story of planets has no full stop at any time as it is 6th from 6th. krishnan SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Visit your group "" on the web. for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Visit your group "" on the web. India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Dear Gurumeet Ji - Stars are very important in astrology. I personally use them a lot and do not see the chart without judging them. Most of my quizzes (real life puzzles) I offered here and in other lists had their right answers based on the stars and 60-70% of many chart-events cannot ever be explained or related to astrology without taking stars into account. Many of my life's important events cannot be exaplined without stars as well. I here agree with you completely. I realized about stars from my own studies of real charts and thought I "discovered" something but later I saw that they already exist in astrology but very little practiced by people. But after that I realized that there are still a lot of works to be done on the topic to refine it. Not all the times a planet in a 6th lord's star will activate the 6th lord. You will find both the examples. There is this WHY. Also, there are some additional concepts I have came up with based on these star concepts. I shared them in some of my earlier write ups, I do not do anymore now. This needs a lot of further works. Even KP is not totally correct in the way it uses stars. It needs refinement also. I say this most humbly but I am strict in my position. What I like in you that you explore things by yourself and know what works and what does not. You also speak out what you think to be the truth. However, as you already know by yourself, there is a bold tone in your mails and conversations that quickly switches the focus from Jyotish to a bit of personal stuff, and many members would not like this at all, which is very natural. There is no all-recognized rule, or principle or concept in Jyotish and no specific syllabus either. So no one should, or rightfully can, claim what is to be practiced or what concept must be applied. If he does, it is only his personal judegement and cannot be imposed on anyone. In this forum we are here to exchange views of astrology. We can learn from each other and that is a delibarate process. We cannot, or should not impose any concept on anyone. That is possible if one requests for personal guidance, takes a course or something. But here we are to exchange views. None of us have admitted to follow anyone's advices or have taken anyone's discipleship to follow his or her teachings. We all are entitled to choose what we like. That is why you cannot accuse a person for his practicing approach. While the techniques you use are good, your very straight forward and teaching-like manner may be discourage others to interact with you. Apart from this, whatever teachniques and concepts you want to use are just fine. So I would really expect you to fashion your posts in a more respectful way and discussions in a friendly manner. Thanks Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - hbk1hbk_2100 Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:32 PM Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good nakshatra the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also Ketu is surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47. This is the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book How to Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned clearly that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through lottery. Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology also mentioned same thing. When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to time events and see transits I consider moon sign. I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their case most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house. Then they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras. That makes them killer and criminal. You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make predictions. You do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people and then start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from -100 to +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the dark. Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are not and your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it to vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer. This is what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people. Finally I decided to master this science myself and became astrologer. Regards G. Singh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Dear Ashutosh Many Thanks for your soft approach. From my studying I found D1 is the potential, if one wants to get the pearl one should dive deep. >From this angle I found divisional charts are very important as well as nakshatras, Arudha padas, upagrahas. One should consider specially complicated charts like mine and other charts from moon, sun, shri lagna and furthermore Gunas …………so on…… All in one it is not easy work. Ones more, thank you very much sharing your valuable knowledge with us. Best Regards Naci Gulsan , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear Naci, > > Very wise words and truly appreciable. You have all seven planets in 7th house. That means your thoughts and life revolves around people close to you. I am sure that you are highly perceptive and intuitive about other people. You can attain great heights in astrology. > > Why seven planets are not very beneficial? Because of the fact that some of them are combust. If Mr. G.Singh had only mars and saturn in capricorn in 11th house, he would have had more financial gains than what he is having now. Other planets rule different houses, some of which are malefic. They give their negative effects thus lowering the benefits of the beneficial ones. > > It is like drinking a mixture of cold water, milk, hot tea, hot coffee, beer, scotch, petrol and acid. What results will such a mixture have. > > Seven planets in one house sound and feel very good. The native has a very charming personality and is teeming with energy and ideas. But, mostly, such combinations destroy family life and take away the small but beautiful pleasures of life. > > What is the use of riches if one does not have a family to share them. A single spouse who is loving, caring and dedicated is better than a thousand lovers. > > In ninety percent of such cases, the native does not live beyond fifty years of age. > > Many people wear navgraha rings or perform navgraha pooja. That too is a useless activity. Not all of the nine planets can be beneficial or malefic for any one person. The result is always zero. > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > - > dervish108 > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 18:42 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > > Dear G Singh > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7 > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar experiences. The > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us angry. > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the nature > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is very > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we have > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out. > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the sub > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You should > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you have > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is the > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > All the best > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > many > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > myself > > know astrology very well. > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > house. > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in > Mars > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised > by > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come > when > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of > days > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house > and > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > Mars > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > important > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > and > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > chart. I > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > 10:03 AM > > Ludhiana, India > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > doshas?"is > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > doshas.May > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle > of > > births and deaths. > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that > we > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses (2nd,6th > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > need > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > kama),one > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering > his > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > > janma and mrityu. > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > and > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > manner > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination > to > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may > be > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > Astrology,the > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > enable > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha > but > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the > > cause of Astrology. > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > beings > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what > > the native intends. > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > and > > correct path. > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > same > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > krishnan > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > makes > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > > which > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position > > too. > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > astrology > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. > In > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > mentioning > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > and > > so > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some > of > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > addition > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > never > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched > > soul > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will > seek > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > spiritual > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > attended > > in > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > > three > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > desires, > > > and > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > respectively. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > Pages)" > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > individuals > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > that > > is. > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and > that > > > is > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > growth > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > about > > > the > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > money, > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma > > > stuff > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > > spiritual > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > > ishta > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > extent > > I > > > > say, > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for > > > > worldly > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > perhaps > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > > worked > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > mileage > > > out > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > Being > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., > 24- > > > 31) > > > > in > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > edition). I > > > > truly > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > > female > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version > > that > > > > we > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > originally > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what > we > > > have > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is > wise > > > to > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > > things, > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here > I > > go > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to > get > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky - - > with > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time > and > > > pick > > > > a > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of > good > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > > different > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > how > > the > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > transits, > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > verbatim > > > > in > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone > > else > > > > for > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > great! > > If > > > > it > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > doubt > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > move > > > > beyond > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > may > > > even > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > > astrology > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > describes > > > real > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query > was > > a > > > > bit > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > House > > > > makes > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, > > > > whether > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > or 'bad'? > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > - ----------- > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Dear Ashutosh Many Thanks for your soft approach. From my studying I found D1 is the potential, if one wants to get the pearl one should dive deep. >From this angle I found divisional charts are very important as well as nakshatras, Arudha padas, upagrahas. One should consider specially complicated charts like mine and other charts from moon, sun, shri lagna and furthermore Gunas …………so on…… All in one it is not easy work. Ones more, thank you very much sharing your valuable knowledge with us. Best Regards Naci Gulsan , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear Naci, > > Very wise words and truly appreciable. You have all seven planets in 7th house. That means your thoughts and life revolves around people close to you. I am sure that you are highly perceptive and intuitive about other people. You can attain great heights in astrology. > > Why seven planets are not very beneficial? Because of the fact that some of them are combust. If Mr. G.Singh had only mars and saturn in capricorn in 11th house, he would have had more financial gains than what he is having now. Other planets rule different houses, some of which are malefic. They give their negative effects thus lowering the benefits of the beneficial ones. > > It is like drinking a mixture of cold water, milk, hot tea, hot coffee, beer, scotch, petrol and acid. What results will such a mixture have. > > Seven planets in one house sound and feel very good. The native has a very charming personality and is teeming with energy and ideas. But, mostly, such combinations destroy family life and take away the small but beautiful pleasures of life. > > What is the use of riches if one does not have a family to share them. A single spouse who is loving, caring and dedicated is better than a thousand lovers. > > In ninety percent of such cases, the native does not live beyond fifty years of age. > > Many people wear navgraha rings or perform navgraha pooja. That too is a useless activity. Not all of the nine planets can be beneficial or malefic for any one person. The result is always zero. > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > - > dervish108 > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 18:42 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > > Dear G Singh > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7 > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar experiences. The > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us angry. > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the nature > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is very > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we have > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out. > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the sub > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You should > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you have > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is the > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > All the best > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > many > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > myself > > know astrology very well. > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > house. > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in > Mars > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised > by > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come > when > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of > days > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house > and > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > Mars > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > important > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > and > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > chart. I > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > 10:03 AM > > Ludhiana, India > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > doshas?"is > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > doshas.May > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle > of > > births and deaths. > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that > we > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses (2nd,6th > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > need > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > kama),one > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering > his > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > > janma and mrityu. > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > and > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > manner > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination > to > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may > be > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > Astrology,the > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > enable > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha > but > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the > > cause of Astrology. > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > beings > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what > > the native intends. > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > and > > correct path. > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > same > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > krishnan > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > makes > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > > which > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position > > too. > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > astrology > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. > In > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > mentioning > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > and > > so > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some > of > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > addition > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > never > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched > > soul > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will > seek > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > spiritual > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > attended > > in > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > > three > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > desires, > > > and > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > respectively. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > Pages)" > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > individuals > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > that > > is. > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and > that > > > is > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > growth > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > about > > > the > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > money, > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma > > > stuff > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > > spiritual > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > > ishta > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > extent > > I > > > > say, > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for > > > > worldly > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > perhaps > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > > worked > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > mileage > > > out > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > Being > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., > 24- > > > 31) > > > > in > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > edition). I > > > > truly > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > > female > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version > > that > > > > we > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > originally > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what > we > > > have > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is > wise > > > to > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > > things, > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here > I > > go > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to > get > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky - - > with > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time > and > > > pick > > > > a > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of > good > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > > different > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > how > > the > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > transits, > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > verbatim > > > > in > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone > > else > > > > for > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > great! > > If > > > > it > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > doubt > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > move > > > > beyond > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > may > > > even > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > > astrology > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > describes > > > real > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query > was > > a > > > > bit > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > House > > > > makes > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, > > > > whether > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > or 'bad'? > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > - ----------- > > > a.. 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