Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Namaste Rohini and all, According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended in California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or three errors). These are: 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of desires, and sexual pleasures. 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house signifying meanness and violence. 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house signifying greed. Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas respectively. Regards, John R. , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that is. > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that is > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* growth > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about the > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, money, > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma stuff > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and spiritual > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and ishta > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent I say, > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for worldly > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really worked > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage out > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24-31) in > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I truly > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their female > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version that we > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the originally > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we have > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise to > ignore the possibility? > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly things, > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I go > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and pick a > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from different > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how the > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits, > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out verbatim in > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone else for > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! If it > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move beyond > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may even > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, astrology > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes real > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > RR > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > Dear Mandakani, > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was a bit > > cryptic. > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House makes > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, whether > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'? > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > aspirations > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > regards > > > > rishi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Dear Rohiniji, The interpretation of Jyotish like every other thing is but a function of time, it changes..however, you have been writing on this and I concur with you on this. And before I say anything more, let me admit that the grace and flair of your writing has always made a lot of sense to me. People find astrology fascinating for various reasons, for me it is an introspection and an exploration within. We normally have an instinctive tendency to resist change. This is particularly true as we travel through the years in life. Soon, having grown up, we start accepting and even welcoming change. Those who adapt and enjoy change perhaps fulfill their duties or karma truly. The grey area of choice is the most refreshing aspect of human endeavors. Having said that, there exists in us a query..is there something or someone which is unchanging...'shashwat'...not a function of time! Therefore, the need to delve deeper within ourselves and in our ambience, in tradition and in religion; in bhakti or in gyan..the search, elusive, goes on. And when one finds a few rare glimpses of the shashwat, the search intensifies. Such a search has drawn me in this field of astrology. I admit freely, that have found the beginning of a few answers, particularly for myself in this field. Specially, why events are happening which are beyond control........the prediction of future, the normative 'good' and 'bad'; 'benefic and malefic'; spiritual and material growth all have to go hand in hand, I suppose. But that is not the quest! Where do I go while discharging my duties, so that there is a remnant of peace within and the appreciation of life is the search for. Will do and keep finding answers for the Lord of Eleventh as well as the other Lords! Thankyou for the encouraging response. Regards Rishi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad makes sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of which represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position too. And the spiritual antidote would indeed be vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for astrology to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. In fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely mentioning and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile and so on in the charts! Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some of them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent addition to the list of beneficiaries! Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will never need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched soul who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will seek astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the spiritual level of piety that some of us take for granted! Let us get real and see what surrounds us! RR , "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > Namaste Rohini and all, > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended in > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or three > errors). These are: > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of desires, and > sexual pleasures. > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house signifying > meanness and violence. > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house signifying > greed. > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas respectively. > > Regards, > > John R. > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that is. > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that is > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* growth > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about the > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, money, > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma stuff > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > spiritual > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and ishta > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent I > say, > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for > worldly > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really worked > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage out > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24- 31) > in > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I > truly > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their female > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version that > we > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > originally > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we have > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise to > > ignore the possibility? > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly things, > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I go > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and pick > a > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > different > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how the > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits, > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out verbatim > in > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone else > for > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! If > it > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move > beyond > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may even > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > astrology > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes real > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was a > bit > > > cryptic. > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House > makes > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, > whether > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'? > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > aspirations > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > regards > > > > > > rishi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 dear John,Rohini and all, The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain doshas?"is to make a distinction from good houses from houses having doshas.May be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle of births and deaths. If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that we are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses(2nd,6th and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we need to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is kama),one has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering his artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of janma and mrityu. whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments and for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the manner the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination to adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may be also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of Astrology,the approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and enable the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha but not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the cause of Astrology. The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human beings aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what the native intends. The relative importance each bahva is to support the native accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation and correct path. The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the same path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and empphasise the need to overcome doshas krishnan "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote: Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad makes sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of which represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position too. And the spiritual antidote would indeed be vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for astrology to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. In fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely mentioning and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile and so on in the charts! Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some of them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent addition to the list of beneficiaries! Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will never need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched soul who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will seek astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the spiritual level of piety that some of us take for granted! Let us get real and see what surrounds us! RR , "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > Namaste Rohini and all, > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended in > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or three > errors). These are: > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of desires, and > sexual pleasures. > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house signifying > meanness and violence. > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house signifying > greed. > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas respectively. > > Regards, > > John R. > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that is. > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that is > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* growth > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about the > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, money, > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma stuff > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > spiritual > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and ishta > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent I > say, > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for > worldly > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really worked > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage out > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24- 31) > in > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I > truly > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their female > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version that > we > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > originally > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we have > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise to > > ignore the possibility? > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly things, > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I go > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and pick > a > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > different > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how the > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits, > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out verbatim > in > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone else > for > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! If > it > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move > beyond > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may even > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > astrology > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes real > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was a > bit > > > cryptic. > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House > makes > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, > whether > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'? > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > aspirations > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > regards > > > > > > rishi SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. 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Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by many astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I myself know astrology very well. I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th house. Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in Mars nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised by Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come when I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of days before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house and 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and Mars played important role in elevating him to a higher level. I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play important role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, and mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my chart. I appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. My birth data is given below: Feb 3rd, 1962 10:03 AM Ludhiana, India Regards G. Singh , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > dear John,Rohini and all, > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain doshas?"is to make a distinction from good houses from houses having doshas.May be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle of births and deaths. > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that we are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses(2nd,6th and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we need to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is kama),one has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering his artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of janma and mrityu. > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments and for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the manner the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination to adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may be also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of Astrology,the approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and enable the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha but not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the cause of Astrology. > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human beings aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what the native intends. > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation and correct path. > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the same path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and empphasise the need to overcome doshas > krishnan > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad makes > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of which > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position too. > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for astrology > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. In > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely mentioning > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile and so > on in the charts! > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some of > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent addition > to the list of beneficiaries! > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will never > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched soul > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will seek > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the spiritual > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > RR > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended in > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or three > > errors). These are: > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of desires, > and > > sexual pleasures. > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > signifying > > meanness and violence. > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > signifying > > greed. > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas respectively. > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that is. > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that > is > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* growth > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about > the > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, money, > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma > stuff > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > spiritual > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and ishta > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent I > > say, > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for > > worldly > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really worked > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage > out > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24- > 31) > > in > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I > > truly > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > female > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version that > > we > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > originally > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we > have > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise > to > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > things, > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I go > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and > pick > > a > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > different > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how the > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits, > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > verbatim > > in > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone else > > for > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! If > > it > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move > > beyond > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may > even > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > astrology > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes > real > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was a > > bit > > > > cryptic. > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House > > makes > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, > > whether > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'? > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > aspirations > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > regards > > > > > > > > rishi SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 I only see 4 planets and a node in your 11th based on data given by you. For 11th house activation Aug 2007 to aug 2009 and then ketu's upto Nov 2010 is a less strong period (but has the quality of suddenness). I cannot say for certain that the windfall or gain will be enormous, though. But we gratefully receive what we can get, right ;-) RR , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by many > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I myself > know astrology very well. > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th house. > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in Mars > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised by > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come when > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of days > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house and > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and Mars > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play important > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, and > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my chart. I > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > My birth data is given below: > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > 10:03 AM > Ludhiana, India > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain doshas?"is > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having doshas.May > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle of > births and deaths. > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that we > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses(2nd,6th > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we need > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is kama),one > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering his > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > janma and mrityu. > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments and > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the manner > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination to > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may be > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of Astrology,the > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and enable > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha but > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the > cause of Astrology. > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human beings > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what > the native intends. > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation and > correct path. > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the same > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > krishnan > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad makes > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > which > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position > too. > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > astrology > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. In > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely mentioning > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile and > so > > on in the charts! > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some of > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > addition > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will never > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched > soul > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will seek > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > spiritual > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended > in > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > three > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of desires, > > and > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > signifying > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > signifying > > > greed. > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas respectively. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that > is. > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that > > is > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > growth > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about > > the > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > money, > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma > > stuff > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > spiritual > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > ishta > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent > I > > > say, > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for > > > worldly > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > worked > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage > > out > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24- > > 31) > > > in > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I > > > truly > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > female > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version > that > > > we > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > originally > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we > > have > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise > > to > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > things, > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I > go > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and > > pick > > > a > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > different > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how > the > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits, > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > verbatim > > > in > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone > else > > > for > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! > If > > > it > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move > > > beyond > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may > > even > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > astrology > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes > > real > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was > a > > > bit > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House > > > makes > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, > > > whether > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'? > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > aspirations > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Rohin Ji, I know my chart very well. I have Mars at 7:38 degree Saturn at 10:16 degrees Sun at 20:31 degrees Venus at 22:10 degrees Ketu at 24:37 degrees Jupiter at 24:52 degres Mercury at 25:40 degrees in capricorn in 11th house. My moon is in saggitarius in 10th house at 25:23 degrees. My lagna is in pisces at 16:54 degrees. Rahu is in cancer in 5th house at 24:37 degrees. I am born on Feb 3rd, 1962 at 10:03 AM (morning) in Ludhiana, Punjab, India. I would request you to please double check again, and have another look at my chart. I have seen big ups and downs in life. Your analysis will be very helpful. Regards G. Singh , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > I only see 4 planets and a node in your 11th based on data given by > you. For 11th house activation Aug 2007 to aug 2009 and then ketu's > upto Nov 2010 is a less strong period (but has the quality of > suddenness). I cannot say for certain that the windfall or gain will > be enormous, though. But we gratefully receive what we can get, > right ;-) > > RR > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > many > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I myself > > know astrology very well. > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th house. > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in > Mars > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised by > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come > when > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of > days > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house > and > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and Mars > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > important > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, and > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my chart. > I > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > 10:03 AM > > Ludhiana, India > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > doshas?"is > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > doshas.May > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle > of > > births and deaths. > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that > we > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses (2nd,6th > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we need > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > kama),one > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering > his > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > > janma and mrityu. > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments and > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > manner > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination to > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may > be > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > Astrology,the > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > enable > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha > but > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the > > cause of Astrology. > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human beings > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what > > the native intends. > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation and > > correct path. > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the same > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > krishnan > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > makes > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > > which > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position > > too. > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > astrology > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. > In > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > mentioning > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile and > > so > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some > of > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > addition > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will never > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched > > soul > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will > seek > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > spiritual > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended > > in > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > > three > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > desires, > > > and > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > respectively. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > Pages)" > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > individuals > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that > > is. > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and > that > > > is > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > growth > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > about > > > the > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > money, > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma > > > stuff > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > > spiritual > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > > ishta > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > extent > > I > > > > say, > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for > > > > worldly > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > > worked > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > mileage > > > out > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > Being > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., > 24- > > > 31) > > > > in > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). > I > > > > truly > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > > female > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version > > that > > > > we > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > originally > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what > we > > > have > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is > wise > > > to > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > > things, > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I > > go > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to > get > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- > with > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time > and > > > pick > > > > a > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of > good > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > > different > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how > > the > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > transits, > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > verbatim > > > > in > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone > > else > > > > for > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > great! > > If > > > > it > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > doubt > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > move > > > > beyond > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may > > > even > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > > astrology > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > describes > > > real > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query > was > > a > > > > bit > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > House > > > > makes > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, > > > > whether > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > or 'bad'? > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Rohin ji, My guess is that the sudden windfall will happen in Oct, Nov 2009. I will be in Jupiter/Mercury/Mercury period. Jupiter will be at 25 degrees in capricorn in dhanishta nakshatra transiting over natal jupiter, natal mercury, natal ketu, and natal venus, sun in 11th house. Jupiter will be in 2nd house from natal moon and jupiter has 6 astavarga points in 11th house. Mercury will be in virgo and libra in 10th and 11th from natal moon. I appreciate your thoughts. Regards G. Singh , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > Rohin Ji, > > I know my chart very well. I have > > Mars at 7:38 degree > Saturn at 10:16 degrees > Sun at 20:31 degrees > Venus at 22:10 degrees > Ketu at 24:37 degrees > Jupiter at 24:52 degres > Mercury at 25:40 degrees > > in capricorn in 11th house. My moon is in saggitarius in 10th house > at 25:23 degrees. My lagna is in pisces at 16:54 degrees. Rahu is in > cancer in 5th house at 24:37 degrees. > > I am born on Feb 3rd, 1962 at 10:03 AM (morning) in Ludhiana, Punjab, > India. > > I would request you to please double check again, and have another > look at my chart. I have seen big ups and downs in life. Your > analysis will be very helpful. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > I only see 4 planets and a node in your 11th based on data given by > > you. For 11th house activation Aug 2007 to aug 2009 and then ketu's > > upto Nov 2010 is a less strong period (but has the quality of > > suddenness). I cannot say for certain that the windfall or gain > will > > be enormous, though. But we gratefully receive what we can get, > > right ;-) > > > > RR > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > > many > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > myself > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > house. > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in > > Mars > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised > by > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come > > when > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period > or > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of > > days > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury > in > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house > > and > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > Mars > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > important > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > and > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > chart. > > I > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > 10:03 AM > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > doshas?"is > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > doshas.May > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd > as > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what > we > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than > get > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > cycle > > of > > > births and deaths. > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > that > > we > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > Moksha > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > (2nd,6th > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > need > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > kama),one > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering > > his > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > and > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > > manner > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination > to > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may > > be > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > various > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > Astrology,the > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > > enable > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha > > but > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to > the > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > beings > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > what > > > the native intends. > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > and > > > correct path. > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > same > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > > makes > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > > > which > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > where > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > position > > > too. > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > > astrology > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. > > In > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > mentioning > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > and > > > so > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some > > of > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > > addition > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > never > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > wretched > > > soul > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will > > seek > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > spiritual > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > > wrote: > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > attended > > > in > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > > > three > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > desires, > > > > and > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > > signifying > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > > signifying > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have > the > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > individuals > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > that > > > is. > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and > > that > > > > is > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > > growth > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > > about > > > > the > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > > money, > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > dharma > > > > stuff > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > > > ishta > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > > extent > > > I > > > > > say, > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently > for > > > > > worldly > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > perhaps > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > > > worked > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > mileage > > > > out > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > > Being > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain > the > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., > > 24- > > > > 31) > > > > > in > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > edition). > > I > > > > > truly > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > > > female > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > version > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > > originally > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what > > we > > > > have > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is > > wise > > > > to > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > > > things, > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > very > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here > I > > > go > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to > > get > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- > > with > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time > > and > > > > pick > > > > > a > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of > > good > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > > > different > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > how > > > the > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > transits, > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > > verbatim > > > > > in > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > someone > > > else > > > > > for > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > > great! > > > If > > > > > it > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > > doubt > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > > move > > > > > beyond > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > may > > > > even > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > > > astrology > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > describes > > > > real > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query > > was > > > a > > > > > bit > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > > House > > > > > makes > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > planet, > > > > > whether > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Gurmeet ji, It is possible that there might be a software glitch for your epoch. Anyway, since you already know when you will get the windfall, I won't spend time on that. I am curious though about the source of your birth time of 10:03. If you wish to share ... RR , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > Rohin ji, > > My guess is that the sudden windfall will happen in Oct, Nov 2009. > I will be in Jupiter/Mercury/Mercury period. Jupiter will be at 25 > degrees in capricorn in dhanishta nakshatra transiting over natal > jupiter, natal mercury, natal ketu, and natal venus, sun in 11th > house. Jupiter will be in 2nd house from natal moon and jupiter has 6 > astavarga points in 11th house. Mercury will be in virgo and libra in > 10th and 11th from natal moon. > > I appreciate your thoughts. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > Rohin Ji, > > > > I know my chart very well. I have > > > > Mars at 7:38 degree > > Saturn at 10:16 degrees > > Sun at 20:31 degrees > > Venus at 22:10 degrees > > Ketu at 24:37 degrees > > Jupiter at 24:52 degres > > Mercury at 25:40 degrees > > > > in capricorn in 11th house. My moon is in saggitarius in 10th house > > at 25:23 degrees. My lagna is in pisces at 16:54 degrees. Rahu is > in > > cancer in 5th house at 24:37 degrees. > > > > I am born on Feb 3rd, 1962 at 10:03 AM (morning) in Ludhiana, > Punjab, > > India. > > > > I would request you to please double check again, and have another > > look at my chart. I have seen big ups and downs in life. Your > > analysis will be very helpful. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > I only see 4 planets and a node in your 11th based on data given > by > > > you. For 11th house activation Aug 2007 to aug 2009 and then > ketu's > > > upto Nov 2010 is a less strong period (but has the quality of > > > suddenness). I cannot say for certain that the windfall or gain > > will > > > be enormous, though. But we gratefully receive what we can get, > > > right ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > > > many > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > > myself > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > > house. > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha > in > > > Mars > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > promised > > by > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could > come > > > when > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period > > or > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple > of > > > days > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in > 11th > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury > > in > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th > house > > > and > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > > Mars > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > > important > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > > and > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > > chart. > > > I > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > > doshas?"is > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > doshas.May > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd > > as > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what > > we > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than > > get > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > > cycle > > > of > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > > that > > > we > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > > Moksha > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something > lost > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > (2nd,6th > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > > need > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > > kama),one > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time > to > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > furthering > > > his > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles > of > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective > of > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > > and > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > > > manner > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > decrimination > > to > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too > may > > > be > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > poorva > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of > the > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > > various > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > Astrology,the > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > > > enable > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is > moksha > > > but > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant > for > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to > > the > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > > beings > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > > what > > > > the native intends. > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > > and > > > > correct path. > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > > same > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > > > makes > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each > of > > > > which > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > > where > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > position > > > > too. > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > > > astrology > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > stance. > > > In > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > > mentioning > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half > and > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > > and > > > > so > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, > some > > > of > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for > and > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > > > addition > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > > never > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > wretched > > > > soul > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who > will > > > seek > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > > spiritual > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > attended > > > > in > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas > (or > > > > three > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > > desires, > > > > > and > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have > > the > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > through > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > > Pages)" > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > individuals > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > > that > > > > is. > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm > and > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > > > growth > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > > > money, > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > > dharma > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas > and > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies > and > > > > ishta > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > > > extent > > > > I > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently > > for > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > perhaps > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > really > > > > worked > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > > mileage > > > > > out > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > > > Being > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain > > the > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas > (e.g., > > > 24- > > > > > 31) > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > edition). > > > I > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with > their > > > > > female > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > > version > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of > what > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it > is > > > wise > > > > > to > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > worldly > > > > > things, > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > > very > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry > here > > I > > > > go > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going > to > > > get > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- > > > > with > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the > time > > > and > > > > > pick > > > > > > a > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases > of > > > good > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) > from > > > > > > different > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > > how > > > > the > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > > transits, > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > in > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > > someone > > > > else > > > > > > for > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > > > great! > > > > If > > > > > > it > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > > > doubt > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > > > move > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > > may > > > > > even > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > describes, > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > > describes > > > > > real > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial > query > > > was > > > > a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > > > House > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > > planet, > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > spiritual > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Rohini ji, I have consulted more than 100 astrologers in my lifetime. They prepared my chart by using different softwares, some prepared by hand. My chart is what I described in my email. My birth time was recorded by my mother's father. He recorded every child's birth time in our family. I even gave you degrees of lagna, moon and all planets also. If you can please give what degrees and houses you are getting then I may be able to find out where things are going wrong. I think there must be a software glitch in the software you are using to prepare my chart. I studied your crystal pages pdf file, and learnt a lot. I mentioned my thoughts, and I am requesting you for your thoughts on windfall. I sometimes sound arrogant to people as I have 7 planets together with exalted mars. My apologies if I said anything wrong. Regards G. Singh -- In , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Gurmeet ji, > > It is possible that there might be a software glitch for your epoch. > Anyway, since you already know when you will get the windfall, I > won't spend time on that. I am curious though about the source of > your birth time of 10:03. If you wish to share ... > > RR > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > Rohin ji, > > > > My guess is that the sudden windfall will happen in Oct, Nov > 2009. > > I will be in Jupiter/Mercury/Mercury period. Jupiter will be at 25 > > degrees in capricorn in dhanishta nakshatra transiting over natal > > jupiter, natal mercury, natal ketu, and natal venus, sun in 11th > > house. Jupiter will be in 2nd house from natal moon and jupiter has > 6 > > astavarga points in 11th house. Mercury will be in virgo and libra > in > > 10th and 11th from natal moon. > > > > I appreciate your thoughts. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > Rohin Ji, > > > > > > I know my chart very well. I have > > > > > > Mars at 7:38 degree > > > Saturn at 10:16 degrees > > > Sun at 20:31 degrees > > > Venus at 22:10 degrees > > > Ketu at 24:37 degrees > > > Jupiter at 24:52 degres > > > Mercury at 25:40 degrees > > > > > > in capricorn in 11th house. My moon is in saggitarius in 10th > house > > > at 25:23 degrees. My lagna is in pisces at 16:54 degrees. Rahu is > > in > > > cancer in 5th house at 24:37 degrees. > > > > > > I am born on Feb 3rd, 1962 at 10:03 AM (morning) in Ludhiana, > > Punjab, > > > India. > > > > > > I would request you to please double check again, and have > another > > > look at my chart. I have seen big ups and downs in life. Your > > > analysis will be very helpful. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > I only see 4 planets and a node in your 11th based on data > given > > by > > > > you. For 11th house activation Aug 2007 to aug 2009 and then > > ketu's > > > > upto Nov 2010 is a less strong period (but has the quality of > > > > suddenness). I cannot say for certain that the windfall or gain > > > will > > > > be enormous, though. But we gratefully receive what we can get, > > > > right ;-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told > by > > > > many > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > > > myself > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > > > house. > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha > > in > > > > Mars > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > promised > > > by > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could > > come > > > > when > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > period > > > or > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple > > of > > > > days > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in > > 11th > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > Mercury > > > in > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th > > house > > > > and > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, > and > > > Mars > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > > > important > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > nakshatra, > > > and > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > > > chart. > > > > I > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > > doshas.May > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > considerd > > > as > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches > what > > > we > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > than > > > get > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > > > cycle > > > > of > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > > > that > > > > we > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > > > Moksha > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something > > lost > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > artha > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > shape > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then > we > > > need > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > > > kama),one > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > time > > to > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > furthering > > > > his > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > cycles > > of > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective > > of > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > attachments > > > and > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > > > > manner > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > decrimination > > > to > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too > > may > > > > be > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > > poorva > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of > > the > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > > > various > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > > > > enable > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is > > moksha > > > > but > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant > > for > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving > to > > > the > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > > > beings > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > > > what > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > ealisation > > > and > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to > the > > > same > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being > bad > > > > makes > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each > > of > > > > > which > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > > > where > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > > position > > > > > too. > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > most > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > > > > astrology > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > > stance. > > > > In > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > > > mentioning > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half > > and > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > fertile > > > and > > > > > so > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, > > some > > > > of > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for > > and > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > recent > > > > > addition > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > > > never > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > > wretched > > > > > soul > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who > > will > > > > seek > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > <jr_esq> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > > attended > > > > > in > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas > > (or > > > > > three > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > > > desires, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > house > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > house > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > have > > > the > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > > through > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > plane > > > that > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm > > and > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > *spiritual* > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology > is > > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > jobs, > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > > > dharma > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas > > and > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies > > and > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > > > > extent > > > > > I > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > efficiently > > > for > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > > really > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > > > mileage > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > etc.? > > > > Being > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > explain > > > the > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas > > (e.g., > > > > 24- > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > edition). > > > > I > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with > > their > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > > > version > > > > > that > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to > the > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of > > what > > > > we > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it > > is > > > > wise > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > > worldly > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > > > very > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry > > here > > > I > > > > > go > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going > > to > > > > get > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > lucky -- > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the > > time > > > > and > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases > > of > > > > good > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) > > from > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and > see > > > how > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work > out > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > > > someone > > > > > else > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > > > > great! > > > > > If > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And > if > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate > to > > > > move > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and > you > > > may > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > describes, > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > > > describes > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial > > query > > > > was > > > > > a > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > Eleventh > > > > House > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > > > planet, > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > spiritual > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > > RELISH > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > > of > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Yes that is what I mentioned -- software calc problems for your epoch because of the unusual saptagrahi situation or something else. They have been made aware of the situation. I didn't think you were arrogant, at all. It just seemed that you have the situation under control and know your future already, so was a bit intrigued by the still continuing doubt and uncertainty, particularly after 100 astrologers have already told you about it. Maybe patiently wait for the windfall or whatever good will come your way when all remaining doubts will vanish, right? :-) RR , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > Rohini ji, > > I have consulted more than 100 astrologers in my lifetime. They > prepared my chart by using different softwares, some prepared by > hand. My chart is what I described in my email. My birth time was > recorded by my mother's father. He recorded every child's birth time > in our family. I even gave you degrees of lagna, moon and all planets > also. > > If you can please give what degrees and houses you are getting then I > may be able to find out where things are going wrong. I think there > must be a software glitch in the software you are using to prepare my > chart. > > I studied your crystal pages pdf file, and learnt a lot. I mentioned > my thoughts, and I am requesting you for your thoughts on windfall. > > I sometimes sound arrogant to people as I have 7 planets together > with exalted mars. My apologies if I said anything wrong. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > -- In , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Gurmeet ji, > > > > It is possible that there might be a software glitch for your > epoch. > > Anyway, since you already know when you will get the windfall, I > > won't spend time on that. I am curious though about the source of > > your birth time of 10:03. If you wish to share ... > > > > RR > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > Rohin ji, > > > > > > My guess is that the sudden windfall will happen in Oct, Nov > > 2009. > > > I will be in Jupiter/Mercury/Mercury period. Jupiter will be at > 25 > > > degrees in capricorn in dhanishta nakshatra transiting over natal > > > jupiter, natal mercury, natal ketu, and natal venus, sun in 11th > > > house. Jupiter will be in 2nd house from natal moon and jupiter > has > > 6 > > > astavarga points in 11th house. Mercury will be in virgo and > libra > > in > > > 10th and 11th from natal moon. > > > > > > I appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > Rohin Ji, > > > > > > > > I know my chart very well. I have > > > > > > > > Mars at 7:38 degree > > > > Saturn at 10:16 degrees > > > > Sun at 20:31 degrees > > > > Venus at 22:10 degrees > > > > Ketu at 24:37 degrees > > > > Jupiter at 24:52 degres > > > > Mercury at 25:40 degrees > > > > > > > > in capricorn in 11th house. My moon is in saggitarius in 10th > > house > > > > at 25:23 degrees. My lagna is in pisces at 16:54 degrees. Rahu > is > > > in > > > > cancer in 5th house at 24:37 degrees. > > > > > > > > I am born on Feb 3rd, 1962 at 10:03 AM (morning) in Ludhiana, > > > Punjab, > > > > India. > > > > > > > > I would request you to please double check again, and have > > another > > > > look at my chart. I have seen big ups and downs in life. Your > > > > analysis will be very helpful. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > Pages)" > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > I only see 4 planets and a node in your 11th based on data > > given > > > by > > > > > you. For 11th house activation Aug 2007 to aug 2009 and then > > > ketu's > > > > > upto Nov 2010 is a less strong period (but has the quality of > > > > > suddenness). I cannot say for certain that the windfall or > gain > > > > will > > > > > be enormous, though. But we gratefully receive what we can > get, > > > > > right ;-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > told > > by > > > > > many > > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. > I > > > > myself > > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > 11th > > > > house. > > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > Dhanistha > > > in > > > > > Mars > > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > > promised > > > > by > > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could > > > come > > > > > when > > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > period > > > > or > > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > couple > > > of > > > > > days > > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in > > > 11th > > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > Mercury > > > > in > > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th > > > house > > > > > and > > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, > > and > > > > Mars > > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > > > > important > > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > nakshatra, > > > > and > > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for > my > > > > chart. > > > > > I > > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > > > doshas.May > > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > considerd > > > > as > > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches > > what > > > > we > > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > > than > > > > get > > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > vicous > > > > cycle > > > > > of > > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will > be > > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > > > > Moksha > > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > something > > > lost > > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham > and > > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > > artha > > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs > of > > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > > shape > > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then > > we > > > > need > > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > > > > kama),one > > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > > time > > > to > > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > > furthering > > > > > his > > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > cycles > > > of > > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > perspective > > > of > > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > attachments > > > > and > > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in > the > > > > > manner > > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > > decrimination > > > > to > > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses > too > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > > > poorva > > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing > of > > > the > > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > > > > various > > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life > and > > > > > enable > > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is > > > moksha > > > > > but > > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > meant > > > for > > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving > > to > > > > the > > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > human > > > > beings > > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > promote > > > > what > > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > native > > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > ealisation > > > > and > > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to > > the > > > > same > > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being > > bad > > > > > makes > > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, > each > > > of > > > > > > which > > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > SELF > > > > where > > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > > > position > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > charity > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > > most > > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking > for > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > > > stance. > > > > > In > > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > half > > > and > > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > fertile > > > > and > > > > > > so > > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > remedies, > > > some > > > > > of > > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared > for > > > and > > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > recent > > > > > > addition > > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and > will > > > > never > > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > > > wretched > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who > > > will > > > > > seek > > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to > the > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > <jr_esq> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > > > attended > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > Doshas > > > (or > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > > > > desires, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > > house > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > > house > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > > have > > > > the > > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > > > through > > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > (Crystal > > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > > plane > > > > that > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > realm > > > and > > > > > that > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > *spiritual* > > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology > > is > > > > > about > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > > jobs, > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > > > > dharma > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > yogas > > > and > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > remedies > > > and > > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to > some > > > > > extent > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > efficiently > > > > for > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > > > really > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > spiritual > > > > > mileage > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > > etc.? > > > > > Being > > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > explain > > > > the > > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas > > > (e.g., > > > > > 24- > > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > > edition). > > > > > I > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with > > > their > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > > > > version > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to > > the > > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much > of > > > what > > > > > we > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but > it > > > is > > > > > wise > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > > > worldly > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) > has > > > > very > > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > <sorry > > > here > > > > I > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > going > > > to > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > lucky -- > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the > > > time > > > > > and > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > databases > > > of > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > instance) > > > from > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and > > see > > > > how > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work > > out > > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > > > > someone > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > works > > > > > great! > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And > > if > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > motivate > > to > > > > > move > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and > > you > > > > may > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > > describes, > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > > > > describes > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial > > > query > > > > > was > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > Eleventh > > > > > House > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > inauspicious > > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > other.. > > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > > RELISH > > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > > > of > > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Rohini ji, I am impressed with your crystal pages pdf file. It gives very good information on astrology and also on how to apply nakshatras in making predictions. So I was interested in knowing your opinion. I have jupiter, ketu, and mercury in Mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd and 9th house exalted in 11th house. So Jupiter, ketu and Mercury has something to do with windfall as the nakshatra lord is exalted. I think the 11th house will be activated either in Jupiter/Mercury/Mars period or Jupiter/Mars/Mercury period. Many astrologers are thinking it will happen in next 2 years when jupiter transits libra and scorpio as I have 36 ashtavarga points in libra and 43 ashtavarga points in scorpio. Many astrologers are doing research on my life as they want to know when the windfall will happen. Rahu brought me to United States and gave me citizenship here. Now we will see what jupiter will do. This year was difficult as jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu and saturn. Now I look forward to jupiter's transit through 11th house from natal moon in libra. I have given you an example of king abdullah of jordan's chart. His chart is very similar to mine. He became king in Mercury/Jupiter/Mars period. His mercury and jupiter are in mars nakshatra and mars is exalted in 2nd house. I would appreciate if you can give me your thoughts even if you have bad news for me. Regards G. Singh , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Yes that is what I mentioned -- software calc problems for your epoch > because of the unusual saptagrahi situation or something else. They > have been made aware of the situation. > > I didn't think you were arrogant, at all. It just seemed that you > have the situation under control and know your future already, so was > a bit intrigued by the still continuing doubt and uncertainty, > particularly after 100 astrologers have already told you about it. > > > Maybe patiently wait for the windfall or whatever good will come your > way when all remaining doubts will vanish, right? :-) > > RR > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > Rohini ji, > > > > I have consulted more than 100 astrologers in my lifetime. They > > prepared my chart by using different softwares, some prepared by > > hand. My chart is what I described in my email. My birth time was > > recorded by my mother's father. He recorded every child's birth > time > > in our family. I even gave you degrees of lagna, moon and all > planets > > also. > > > > If you can please give what degrees and houses you are getting then > I > > may be able to find out where things are going wrong. I think there > > must be a software glitch in the software you are using to prepare > my > > chart. > > > > I studied your crystal pages pdf file, and learnt a lot. I > mentioned > > my thoughts, and I am requesting you for your thoughts on windfall. > > > > I sometimes sound arrogant to people as I have 7 planets together > > with exalted mars. My apologies if I said anything wrong. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > -- In , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Gurmeet ji, > > > > > > It is possible that there might be a software glitch for your > > epoch. > > > Anyway, since you already know when you will get the windfall, I > > > won't spend time on that. I am curious though about the source of > > > your birth time of 10:03. If you wish to share ... > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > Rohin ji, > > > > > > > > My guess is that the sudden windfall will happen in Oct, Nov > > > 2009. > > > > I will be in Jupiter/Mercury/Mercury period. Jupiter will be at > > 25 > > > > degrees in capricorn in dhanishta nakshatra transiting over > natal > > > > jupiter, natal mercury, natal ketu, and natal venus, sun in > 11th > > > > house. Jupiter will be in 2nd house from natal moon and jupiter > > has > > > 6 > > > > astavarga points in 11th house. Mercury will be in virgo and > > libra > > > in > > > > 10th and 11th from natal moon. > > > > > > > > I appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > Rohin Ji, > > > > > > > > > > I know my chart very well. I have > > > > > > > > > > Mars at 7:38 degree > > > > > Saturn at 10:16 degrees > > > > > Sun at 20:31 degrees > > > > > Venus at 22:10 degrees > > > > > Ketu at 24:37 degrees > > > > > Jupiter at 24:52 degres > > > > > Mercury at 25:40 degrees > > > > > > > > > > in capricorn in 11th house. My moon is in saggitarius in 10th > > > house > > > > > at 25:23 degrees. My lagna is in pisces at 16:54 degrees. > Rahu > > is > > > > in > > > > > cancer in 5th house at 24:37 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > I am born on Feb 3rd, 1962 at 10:03 AM (morning) in Ludhiana, > > > > Punjab, > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > I would request you to please double check again, and have > > > another > > > > > look at my chart. I have seen big ups and downs in life. Your > > > > > analysis will be very helpful. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > I only see 4 planets and a node in your 11th based on data > > > given > > > > by > > > > > > you. For 11th house activation Aug 2007 to aug 2009 and > then > > > > ketu's > > > > > > upto Nov 2010 is a less strong period (but has the quality > of > > > > > > suddenness). I cannot say for certain that the windfall or > > gain > > > > > will > > > > > > be enormous, though. But we gratefully receive what we can > > get, > > > > > > right ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > > told > > > by > > > > > > many > > > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > wealth. > > I > > > > > myself > > > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > > 11th > > > > > house. > > > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > > Dhanistha > > > > in > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > > > promised > > > > > by > > > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth > could > > > > come > > > > > > when > > > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > period > > > > > or > > > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > > couple > > > > of > > > > > > days > > > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon > in > > > > 11th > > > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > > Mercury > > > > > in > > > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of > 5th > > > > house > > > > > > and > > > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > Jupiter, > > > and > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will > play > > > > > > important > > > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > > nakshatra, > > > > > and > > > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for > > my > > > > > chart. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > contain > > > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > > > > doshas.May > > > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > > considerd > > > > > as > > > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > teaches > > > what > > > > > we > > > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > > > than > > > > > get > > > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > > vicous > > > > > cycle > > > > > > of > > > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result > will > > be > > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment > of > > > > > Moksha > > > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > > something > > > > lost > > > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham > > and > > > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > > > artha > > > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > baiscs > > of > > > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > > > shape > > > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > vairagya.Then > > > we > > > > > need > > > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain > is > > > > > > kama),one > > > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > > > time > > > > to > > > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > > > furthering > > > > > > his > > > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > > cycles > > > > of > > > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > > perspective > > > > of > > > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > > attachments > > > > > and > > > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in > > the > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > > > decrimination > > > > > to > > > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses > > too > > > > may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > > > > poorva > > > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance > of > > > > > various > > > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life > > and > > > > > > enable > > > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life > is > > > > moksha > > > > > > but > > > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > > meant > > > > for > > > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > serving > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > > human > > > > > beings > > > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > > promote > > > > > what > > > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > > native > > > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > > ealisation > > > > > and > > > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed > to > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. > and > > > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > being > > > bad > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, > > each > > > > of > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > > SELF > > > > > where > > > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > > > > position > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > > charity > > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > > > most > > > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking > > for > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > > > > stance. > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > merely > > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > > half > > > > and > > > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > > fertile > > > > > and > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > > remedies, > > > > some > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared > > for > > > > and > > > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > > recent > > > > > > > addition > > > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and > > will > > > > > never > > > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > > > > wretched > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one > who > > > > will > > > > > > seek > > > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to > > the > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > > <jr_esq> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar > I've > > > > > attended > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > > Doshas > > > > (or > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house > of > > > > > > desires, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > > > house > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > > > house > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > > > have > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > > > > through > > > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > > (Crystal > > > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > > > plane > > > > > that > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > > realm > > > > and > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > > *spiritual* > > > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > astrology > > > is > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > > > jobs, > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit > of > > > > > dharma > > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > > yogas > > > > and > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > > remedies > > > > and > > > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to > > some > > > > > > extent > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > > efficiently > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly > and > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > > > > really > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > > spiritual > > > > > > mileage > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > > > etc.? > > > > > > Being > > > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > > explain > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > shlokas > > > > (e.g., > > > > > > 24- > > > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > > > edition). > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that > with > > > > their > > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > distorted > > > > > version > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance > to > > > the > > > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much > > of > > > > what > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible > but > > it > > > > is > > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) > > has > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > > <sorry > > > > here > > > > > I > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > > going > > > > to > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > > lucky -- > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take > the > > > > time > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > > databases > > > > of > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > > instance) > > > > from > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- > and > > > see > > > > > how > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > dashas, > > > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to > work > > > out > > > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write > or > > > > > someone > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > > works > > > > > > great! > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! > And > > > if > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > > motivate > > > to > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, > and > > > you > > > > > may > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > > > describes, > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since > it > > > > > > describes > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > initial > > > > query > > > > > > was > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > > Eleventh > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of > any > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > > inauspicious > > > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > > other.. > > > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > > AND > > > > > > RELISH > > > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > Terms > > > > of > > > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Dear G.Singh, Out of these seven planets, only two are strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for Jupiter-saturn dasha. It will make you rich. Ashutosh - hbk1hbk_2100 Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by many astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I myself know astrology very well. I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th house. Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in Mars nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised by Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come when I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of days before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house and 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and Mars played important role in elevating him to a higher level. I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play important role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, and mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my chart. I appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. My birth data is given below: Feb 3rd, 1962 10:03 AM Ludhiana, India Regards G. Singh , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > dear John,Rohini and all, > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain doshas?"is to make a distinction from good houses from houses having doshas.May be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle of births and deaths. > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that we are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses(2nd,6th and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we need to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is kama),one has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering his artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of janma and mrityu. > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments and for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the manner the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination to adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may be also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of Astrology,the approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and enable the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha but not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the cause of Astrology. > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human beings aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what the native intends. > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation and correct path. > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the same path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and empphasise the need to overcome doshas > krishnan > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad makes > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of which > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position too. > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for astrology > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. In > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely mentioning > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile and so > on in the charts! > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some of > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent addition > to the list of beneficiaries! > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will never > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched soul > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will seek > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the spiritual > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > RR > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended in > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or three > > errors). These are: > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of desires, > and > > sexual pleasures. > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > signifying > > meanness and violence. > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > signifying > > greed. > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas respectively. > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that is. > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that > is > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* growth > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about > the > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, money, > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma > stuff > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > spiritual > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and ishta > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent I > > say, > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for > > worldly > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really worked > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage > out > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24- > 31) > > in > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I > > truly > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > female > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version that > > we > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > originally > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we > have > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise > to > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > things, > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I go > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and > pick > > a > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > different > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how the > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits, > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > verbatim > > in > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone else > > for > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! If > > it > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move > > beyond > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may > even > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > astrology > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes > real > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was a > > bit > > > > cryptic. > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House > > makes > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, > > whether > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'? > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > aspirations > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > regards > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. 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Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is in 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In order to activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury will activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. This is what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can ask rohini ji for their opinion. Regards G. Singh , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > Out of these seven planets, only two are strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for Jupiter- saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by many > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I myself > know astrology very well. > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th house. > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in Mars > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised by > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come when > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of days > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house and > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and Mars > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play important > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, and > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my chart. I > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > My birth data is given below: > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > 10:03 AM > Ludhiana, India > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain doshas?"is > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having doshas.May > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle of > births and deaths. > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that we > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses (2nd,6th > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we need > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is kama),one > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering his > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > janma and mrityu. > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments and > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the manner > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination to > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may be > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of Astrology,the > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and enable > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha but > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the > cause of Astrology. > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human beings > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what > the native intends. > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation and > correct path. > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the same > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > krishnan > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad makes > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > which > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position > too. > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > astrology > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. In > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely mentioning > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile and > so > > on in the charts! > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some of > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > addition > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will never > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched > soul > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will seek > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > spiritual > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended > in > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > three > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of desires, > > and > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > signifying > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > signifying > > > greed. > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas respectively. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that > is. > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that > > is > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > growth > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about > > the > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > money, > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma > > stuff > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > spiritual > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > ishta > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent > I > > > say, > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for > > > worldly > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > worked > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage > > out > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24- > > 31) > > > in > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I > > > truly > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > female > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version > that > > > we > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > originally > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we > > have > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise > > to > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > things, > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I > go > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and > > pick > > > a > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > different > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how > the > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits, > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > verbatim > > > in > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone > else > > > for > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! > If > > > it > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move > > > beyond > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may > > even > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > astrology > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes > > real > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was > a > > > bit > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House > > > makes > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, > > > whether > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'? > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > aspirations > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > -- ---------- > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Dear G.Singh, I have observed lots of people who were born in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all the riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that out of these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those which are not combust have given them the good results. The combust ones will also show their negative effects. It all depends whether the functional benefics are combust or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime importance to the strength of planets according to their placement in natal chart and other divisional charts. You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not call his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and a prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a common man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When Bill gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called a beneficial gain or rajyoga. Regards, Ashutosh - hbk1hbk_2100 Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is in 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In order to activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury will activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. This is what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can ask rohini ji for their opinion. Regards G. Singh , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > Out of these seven planets, only two are strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for Jupiter- saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by many > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I myself > know astrology very well. > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th house. > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in Mars > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised by > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come when > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of days > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house and > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and Mars > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play important > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, and > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my chart. I > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > My birth data is given below: > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > 10:03 AM > Ludhiana, India > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain doshas?"is > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having doshas.May > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle of > births and deaths. > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that we > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses (2nd,6th > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we need > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is kama),one > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering his > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > janma and mrityu. > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments and > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the manner > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination to > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may be > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of Astrology,the > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and enable > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha but > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the > cause of Astrology. > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human beings > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what > the native intends. > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation and > correct path. > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the same > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > krishnan > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad makes > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > which > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position > too. > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > astrology > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. In > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely mentioning > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile and > so > > on in the charts! > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some of > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > addition > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will never > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched > soul > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will seek > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > spiritual > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended > in > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > three > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of desires, > > and > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > signifying > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > signifying > > > greed. > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas respectively. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that > is. > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that > > is > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > growth > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about > > the > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > money, > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma > > stuff > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > spiritual > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > ishta > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent > I > > > say, > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for > > > worldly > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > worked > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage > > out > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24- > > 31) > > > in > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I > > > truly > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > female > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version > that > > > we > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > originally > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we > > have > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise > > to > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > things, > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I > go > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and > > pick > > > a > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > different > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how > the > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits, > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > verbatim > > > in > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone > else > > > for > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! > If > > > it > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move > > > beyond > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may > > even > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > astrology > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes > > real > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was > a > > > bit > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House > > > makes > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, > > > whether > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'? > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > aspirations > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > -- ---------- > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated chart, even very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making predictions for me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th house with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be spending my time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to sun so it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like 30. I have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time in my life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers learn from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs practical experience in astrology rather than bookish knowledge. Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even work in real life. I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting for a bigger windfall. You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine how the planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is just wasting time in astrology field. G. Singh , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > I have observed lots of people who were born in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all the riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that out of these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those which are not combust have given them the good results. The combust ones will also show their negative effects. > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are combust or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime importance to the strength of planets according to their placement in natal chart and other divisional charts. > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not call his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and a prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a common man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When Bill gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called a beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is in > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In order to > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury will > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. This is > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can ask > rohini ji for their opinion. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two are > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for Jupiter- > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > many > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > myself > > know astrology very well. > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > house. > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in > Mars > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised > by > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come > when > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period > or > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of > days > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury > in > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house > and > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > Mars > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > important > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > and > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > chart. I > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > 10:03 AM > > Ludhiana, India > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > doshas?"is > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > doshas.May > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd > as > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what > we > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than > get > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > cycle of > > births and deaths. > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > that we > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > Moksha > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > (2nd,6th > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > need > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > kama),one > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering > his > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > > janma and mrityu. > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > and > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > manner > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination > to > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may > be > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > various > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > Astrology,the > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > enable > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha > but > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to > the > > cause of Astrology. > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > beings > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > what > > the native intends. > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > and > > correct path. > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > same > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > krishnan > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > makes > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > > which > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > where > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > position > > too. > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > astrology > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. > In > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > mentioning > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > and > > so > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some > of > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > addition > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > never > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > wretched > > soul > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will > seek > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > spiritual > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > attended > > in > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > > three > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > desires, > > > and > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have > the > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > respectively. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > Pages)" > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > individuals > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > that > > is. > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and > that > > > is > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > growth > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > about > > > the > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > money, > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > dharma > > > stuff > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > > spiritual > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > > ishta > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > extent > > I > > > > say, > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently > for > > > > worldly > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > perhaps > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > > worked > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > mileage > > > out > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > Being > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain > the > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., > 24- > > > 31) > > > > in > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > edition). I > > > > truly > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > > female > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > version > > that > > > > we > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > originally > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what > we > > > have > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is > wise > > > to > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > > things, > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > very > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here > I > > go > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to > get > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- > with > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time > and > > > pick > > > > a > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of > good > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > > different > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > how > > the > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > transits, > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > verbatim > > > > in > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > someone > > else > > > > for > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > great! > > If > > > > it > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > doubt > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > move > > > > beyond > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > may > > > even > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > > astrology > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > describes > > > real > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query > was > > a > > > > bit > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > House > > > > makes > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > planet, > > > > whether > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > or 'bad'? > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > astrology > > > > > > ------------------------------- ---- > ---------- > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Dear G.Singh, It is very difficult for an astrologer to correctly analyse his own horoscope. Either the inferences are totally negative or totally positive. You haven't had any health problems because till now you have not undergone any of the combust planets' dashas. But, at this age when the combust and debiliated lagna lord's dasha begins, you should be careful. Rahu-venus gave you windfalls because venus being combust has formed a viprit rajyoga. But, jupiter being combust cannot be beneficial. Only, the jupiter-saturn dasha will give financial boost which will be maintained during the dasha, but health will remain a concern. I am a practising professional astrologer with more practical knowledge than bookish one. I will give you one birth detail to explain the negative effects of combust planets in their dasha. 11-jul-1963 11.15am Delhi India 28N39 77E13 This person, even during the sixth lord saturn's period, had no serious health problems except hypertension. But as soon as mercury dasha began, both the kidneys started malfunctioning and today the person is surviving only on dialysis. Mercury is lagna lord and in its on sign too but is combust. Astrology is not as simple as it seems. It is wiser to accept the negative aspects of one's horoscope and do remedies for them beforehand instead of denying them completely. I have tested and tried all methods in jyotish, including astakvarga, nakshatra based analysis. I say whatever I have observed in practice. Nothing bookish. You are still in Rahu dasha, and your decisions and thinking are still under the influence of rahu. Ashutosh - hbk1hbk_2100 Sunday, 25 September, 2005 10:54 Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated chart, even very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making predictions for me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th house with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be spending my time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to sun so it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like 30. I have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time in my life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers learn from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs practical experience in astrology rather than bookish knowledge. Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even work in real life. I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting for a bigger windfall. You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine how the planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is just wasting time in astrology field. G. Singh , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > I have observed lots of people who were born in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all the riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that out of these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those which are not combust have given them the good results. The combust ones will also show their negative effects. > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are combust or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime importance to the strength of planets according to their placement in natal chart and other divisional charts. > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not call his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and a prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a common man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When Bill gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called a beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is in > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In order to > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury will > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. This is > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can ask > rohini ji for their opinion. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two are > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for Jupiter- > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > many > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > myself > > know astrology very well. > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > house. > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in > Mars > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised > by > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come > when > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period > or > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of > days > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury > in > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house > and > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > Mars > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > important > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > and > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > chart. I > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > 10:03 AM > > Ludhiana, India > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > doshas?"is > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > doshas.May > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd > as > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what > we > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than > get > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > cycle of > > births and deaths. > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > that we > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > Moksha > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > (2nd,6th > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > need > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > kama),one > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering > his > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > > janma and mrityu. > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > and > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > manner > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination > to > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may > be > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > various > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > Astrology,the > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > enable > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha > but > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to > the > > cause of Astrology. > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > beings > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > what > > the native intends. > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > and > > correct path. > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > same > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > krishnan > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > makes > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > > which > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > where > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > position > > too. > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > astrology > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. > In > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > mentioning > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > and > > so > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some > of > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > addition > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > never > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > wretched > > soul > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will > seek > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > spiritual > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > attended > > in > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > > three > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > desires, > > > and > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have > the > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > respectively. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > Pages)" > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > individuals > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > that > > is. > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and > that > > > is > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > growth > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > about > > > the > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > money, > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > dharma > > > stuff > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > > spiritual > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > > ishta > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > extent > > I > > > > say, > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently > for > > > > worldly > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > perhaps > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > > worked > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > mileage > > > out > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > Being > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain > the > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., > 24- > > > 31) > > > > in > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > edition). I > > > > truly > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > > female > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > version > > that > > > > we > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > originally > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what > we > > > have > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is > wise > > > to > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > > things, > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > very > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here > I > > go > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to > get > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- > with > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time > and > > > pick > > > > a > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of > good > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > > different > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > how > > the > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > transits, > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > verbatim > > > > in > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > someone > > else > > > > for > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > great! > > If > > > > it > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > doubt > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > move > > > > beyond > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > may > > > even > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > > astrology > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > describes > > > real > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query > was > > a > > > > bit > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > House > > > > makes > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > planet, > > > > whether > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > or 'bad'? > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > astrology > > > > > > ------------------------------- ---- > ---------- > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 I know it is difficult, but I know my chart so well because I studied my chart with more than 100 astrologers all over world. I do not have any guru. Every astrologer is different, knows some good stuff. I spent few months with each one of them and learnt their techniques. The reason I did not have health problems is that 1. The 6th 8th and 12th houses are empty. 2. I have jupiter, mercury ketu in mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd and 9th house. 3. Saturn Venus, Sun are in moon's nakshatra the ruler of 5th house and placed in 10th house. 4. Only Mars gave me sickness few times because it is placed placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. 5. I was sick few times in sun mahadasha because sun rules 6th house. 6. The reason why Venus gave me good results is that Venus and Moon are in each other's nakshatra. So it was good for love and money. You think Mars will give me money. I think you are wrong because Mars is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. My Mars dasha gave me overrall happiness but I was very poor in Mars mahadasha. You think Saturn is strong in my chart, again you are wrong. Saturn's mooltrikona sign falls in 12th house and saturn is debilitated in navamsa. So saturn will not give me wealth. Rather my saturn mahadasha will be very difficult. Jupiter, Mercury and ketu are in Mars nakshsatra. These three planets will activate exalted mars and 11th house in year 2009. I will be 47 years old, it also represents ketu's year. Transit jupiter will be at 25 degrees in capricorn, in second house from natal moon. I am surprised you do not use nakshatras and you are a professional astrologer. If I say venus period was bad then you will say venus is combust. If I say venus period was good then it becomes vipreet raj yoga. I would say rahu was the most difficult and challenging period in my chart because rahu aspects all 7 planets in my chart. I survived rahu mahdasha very gracefully. I can show predictions given by very famous astrologers who have written books had made big mistakes in analyszing my chart. I weigh 100 Kgs, 6' 1" tall and handsome looks. People many times say why don't you go to bollywood and become actor in movies. G. Singh , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > It is very difficult for an astrologer to correctly analyse his own horoscope. Either the inferences are totally negative or totally positive. > > You haven't had any health problems because till now you have not undergone any of the combust planets' dashas. But, at this age when the combust and debiliated lagna lord's dasha begins, you should be careful. > > Rahu-venus gave you windfalls because venus being combust has formed a viprit rajyoga. But, jupiter being combust cannot be beneficial. Only, the jupiter-saturn dasha will give financial boost which will be maintained during the dasha, but health will remain a concern. > > I am a practising professional astrologer with more practical knowledge than bookish one. I will give you one birth detail to explain the negative effects of combust planets in their dasha. > > 11-jul-1963 > 11.15am > Delhi > India > 28N39 77E13 > > This person, even during the sixth lord saturn's period, had no serious health problems except hypertension. But as soon as mercury dasha began, both the kidneys started malfunctioning and today the person is surviving only on dialysis. Mercury is lagna lord and in its on sign too but is combust. > > Astrology is not as simple as it seems. It is wiser to accept the negative aspects of one's horoscope and do remedies for them beforehand instead of denying them completely. > > I have tested and tried all methods in jyotish, including astakvarga, nakshatra based analysis. I say whatever I have observed in practice. Nothing bookish. You are still in Rahu dasha, and your decisions and thinking are still under the influence of rahu. > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 10:54 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated chart, even > very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making predictions for > me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together > combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th house > with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be spending my > time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to sun so > it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. > > But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like 30. I > have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time in my > life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers learn > from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs > practical experience in astrology rather than bookish knowledge. > Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even work in > real life. > > I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting for a > bigger windfall. > You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine how the > planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is just > wasting time in astrology field. > > G. Singh > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > I have observed lots of people who were born > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all the > riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that out of > these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those which > are not combust have given them the good results. The combust ones > will also show their negative effects. > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are combust > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > importance to the strength of planets according to their placement in > natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not call > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and a > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a common > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When Bill > gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called a > beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is > in > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In order > to > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury > will > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. This > is > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can > ask > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two are > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > Jupiter- > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told > by > > many > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > > myself > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > > house. > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha > in > > Mars > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > promised > > by > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could > come > > when > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > period > > or > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple > of > > days > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in > 11th > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > Mercury > > in > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th > house > > and > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, > and > > Mars > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > important > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > nakshatra, > > and > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > > chart. I > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > 10:03 AM > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > doshas?"is > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > doshas.May > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > considerd > > as > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches > what > > we > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > than > > get > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > > cycle of > > > births and deaths. > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > > that we > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > > Moksha > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something > lost > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > (2nd,6th > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > artha > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > shape > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then > we > > need > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > kama),one > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > time to > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > furthering > > his > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > cycles of > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective > of > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > attachments > > and > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > > manner > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > decrimination > > to > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too > may > > be > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > poorva > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of > the > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > > various > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > Astrology,the > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > > enable > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is > moksha > > but > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant > for > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving > to > > the > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > > beings > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > > what > > > the native intends. > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > ealisation > > and > > > correct path. > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to > the > > same > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being > bad > > makes > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each > of > > > which > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > > where > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > position > > > too. > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity > [11]. > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > most > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > > astrology > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > stance. > > In > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > mentioning > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half > and > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > fertile > > and > > > so > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, > some > > of > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for > and > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > recent > > > addition > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > > never > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > wretched > > > soul > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who > will > > seek > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > spiritual > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > <jr_esq> > > wrote: > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > attended > > > in > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas > (or > > > three > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > desires, > > > > and > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > house > > > > signifying > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > house > > > > signifying > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > have > > the > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > through > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > individuals > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > plane > > that > > > is. > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm > and > > that > > > > is > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > *spiritual* > > > growth > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology > is > > about > > > > the > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > jobs, > > > money, > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > > dharma > > > > stuff > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas > and > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies > and > > > ishta > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > > extent > > > I > > > > > say, > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > efficiently > > for > > > > > worldly > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > perhaps > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > really > > > worked > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > mileage > > > > out > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > etc.? > > Being > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > explain > > the > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas > (e.g., > > 24- > > > > 31) > > > > > in > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > edition). I > > > > > truly > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with > their > > > > female > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > > version > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to > the > > > > > originally > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of > what > > we > > > > have > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it > is > > wise > > > > to > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > worldly > > > > things, > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > > very > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry > here > > I > > > go > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going > to > > get > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > lucky -- > > with > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the > time > > and > > > > pick > > > > > a > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases > of > > good > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) > from > > > > > different > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and > see > > how > > > the > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > transits, > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work > out > > > > verbatim > > > > > in > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > > someone > > > else > > > > > for > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > > great! > > > If > > > > > it > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And > if > > doubt > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate > to > > move > > > > > beyond > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and > you > > may > > > > even > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > describes, > > > > > astrology > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > describes > > > > real > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial > query > > was > > > a > > > > > bit > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > Eleventh > > House > > > > > makes > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > > planet, > > > > > whether > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > spiritual > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > > astrology > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- ---- > ---- > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 mr g. singh i have a questin for u my venus is combusted with saturn in 4 th house will i have any health problems and mars retro in 10 house carrer wise stagnent can u analise my chart please d/b,,15 th march 1965 time 0015 AM hyderabad ap india thanks in advance hope u help me out takecare raj.k hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote:I know it is difficult, but I know my chart so well because I studied my chart with more than 100 astrologers all over world. I do not have any guru. Every astrologer is different, knows some good stuff. I spent few months with each one of them and learnt their techniques. The reason I did not have health problems is that 1. The 6th 8th and 12th houses are empty. 2. I have jupiter, mercury ketu in mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd and 9th house. 3. Saturn Venus, Sun are in moon's nakshatra the ruler of 5th house and placed in 10th house. 4. Only Mars gave me sickness few times because it is placed placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. 5. I was sick few times in sun mahadasha because sun rules 6th house. 6. The reason why Venus gave me good results is that Venus and Moon are in each other's nakshatra. So it was good for love and money. You think Mars will give me money. I think you are wrong because Mars is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. My Mars dasha gave me overrall happiness but I was very poor in Mars mahadasha. You think Saturn is strong in my chart, again you are wrong. Saturn's mooltrikona sign falls in 12th house and saturn is debilitated in navamsa. So saturn will not give me wealth. Rather my saturn mahadasha will be very difficult. Jupiter, Mercury and ketu are in Mars nakshsatra. These three planets will activate exalted mars and 11th house in year 2009. I will be 47 years old, it also represents ketu's year. Transit jupiter will be at 25 degrees in capricorn, in second house from natal moon. I am surprised you do not use nakshatras and you are a professional astrologer. If I say venus period was bad then you will say venus is combust. If I say venus period was good then it becomes vipreet raj yoga. I would say rahu was the most difficult and challenging period in my chart because rahu aspects all 7 planets in my chart. I survived rahu mahdasha very gracefully. I can show predictions given by very famous astrologers who have written books had made big mistakes in analyszing my chart. I weigh 100 Kgs, 6' 1" tall and handsome looks. People many times say why don't you go to bollywood and become actor in movies. G. Singh , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > It is very difficult for an astrologer to correctly analyse his own horoscope. Either the inferences are totally negative or totally positive. > > You haven't had any health problems because till now you have not undergone any of the combust planets' dashas. But, at this age when the combust and debiliated lagna lord's dasha begins, you should be careful. > > Rahu-venus gave you windfalls because venus being combust has formed a viprit rajyoga. But, jupiter being combust cannot be beneficial. Only, the jupiter-saturn dasha will give financial boost which will be maintained during the dasha, but health will remain a concern. > > I am a practising professional astrologer with more practical knowledge than bookish one. I will give you one birth detail to explain the negative effects of combust planets in their dasha. > > 11-jul-1963 > 11.15am > Delhi > India > 28N39 77E13 > > This person, even during the sixth lord saturn's period, had no serious health problems except hypertension. But as soon as mercury dasha began, both the kidneys started malfunctioning and today the person is surviving only on dialysis. Mercury is lagna lord and in its on sign too but is combust. > > Astrology is not as simple as it seems. It is wiser to accept the negative aspects of one's horoscope and do remedies for them beforehand instead of denying them completely. > > I have tested and tried all methods in jyotish, including astakvarga, nakshatra based analysis. I say whatever I have observed in practice. Nothing bookish. You are still in Rahu dasha, and your decisions and thinking are still under the influence of rahu. > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 10:54 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated chart, even > very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making predictions for > me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together > combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th house > with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be spending my > time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to sun so > it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. > > But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like 30. I > have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time in my > life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers learn > from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs > practical experience in astrology rather than bookish knowledge. > Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even work in > real life. > > I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting for a > bigger windfall. > You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine how the > planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is just > wasting time in astrology field. > > G. Singh > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > I have observed lots of people who were born > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all the > riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that out of > these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those which > are not combust have given them the good results. The combust ones > will also show their negative effects. > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are combust > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > importance to the strength of planets according to their placement in > natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not call > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and a > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a common > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When Bill > gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called a > beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is > in > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In order > to > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury > will > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. This > is > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can > ask > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two are > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > Jupiter- > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told > by > > many > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > > myself > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > > house. > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha > in > > Mars > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > promised > > by > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could > come > > when > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > period > > or > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple > of > > days > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in > 11th > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > Mercury > > in > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th > house > > and > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, > and > > Mars > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > important > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > nakshatra, > > and > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > > chart. I > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > 10:03 AM > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > doshas?"is > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > doshas.May > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > considerd > > as > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches > what > > we > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > than > > get > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > > cycle of > > > births and deaths. > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > > that we > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > > Moksha > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something > lost > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > (2nd,6th > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > artha > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > shape > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then > we > > need > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > kama),one > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > time to > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > furthering > > his > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > cycles of > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective > of > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > attachments > > and > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > > manner > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > decrimination > > to > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too > may > > be > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > poorva > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of > the > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > > various > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > Astrology,the > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > > enable > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is > moksha > > but > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant > for > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving > to > > the > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > > beings > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > > what > > > the native intends. > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > ealisation > > and > > > correct path. > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to > the > > same > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being > bad > > makes > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each > of > > > which > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > > where > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > position > > > too. > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity > [11]. > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > most > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > > astrology > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > stance. > > In > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > mentioning > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half > and > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > fertile > > and > > > so > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, > some > > of > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for > and > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > recent > > > addition > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > > never > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > wretched > > > soul > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who > will > > seek > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > spiritual > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > <jr_esq> > > wrote: > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > attended > > > in > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas > (or > > > three > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > desires, > > > > and > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > house > > > > signifying > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > house > > > > signifying > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > have > > the > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > through > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > individuals > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > plane > > that > > > is. > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm > and > > that > > > > is > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > *spiritual* > > > growth > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology > is > > about > > > > the > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > jobs, > > > money, > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > > dharma > > > > stuff > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas > and > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies > and > > > ishta > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > > extent > > > I > > > > > say, > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > efficiently > > for > > > > > worldly > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > perhaps > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > really > > > worked > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > mileage > > > > out > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > etc.? > > Being > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > explain > > the > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas > (e.g., > > 24- > > > > 31) > > > > > in > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > edition). I > > > > > truly > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with > their > > > > female > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > > version > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to > the > > > > > originally > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of > what > > we > > > > have > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it > is > > wise > > > > to > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > worldly > > > > things, > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > > very > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry > here > > I > > > go > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going > to > > get > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > lucky -- > > with > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the > time > > and > > > > pick > > > > > a > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases > of > > good > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) > from > > > > > different > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and > see > > how > > > the > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > transits, > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work > out > > > > verbatim > > > > > in > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > > someone > > > else > > > > > for > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > > great! > > > If > > > > > it > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And > if > > doubt > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate > to > > move > > > > > beyond > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and > you > > may > > > > even > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > describes, > > > > > astrology > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > describes > > > > real > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial > query > > was > > > a > > > > > bit > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > Eleventh > > House > > > > > makes > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > > planet, > > > > > whether > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > spiritual > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > > astrology > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- ---- > ---- > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Dear G.Singh, Having seven planets in 11th house has centered your horoscope in that house, house of friends and money. The obsession with money and all queries centered on money is very evident by your mails. All your gains and losses will be concerned with 11th house. Even your death will be related to it. I consider nakshatras too but give main importance to planetary positions and their interaction in main chart. You cannot deny combustion just because the phenmenon goes against your desires. Don't you think that all these planets in one house have made you vey confused and going to hundred astrologers proves that. Why was the need to go to more than hundred astrologers? Because they were not saying what you wanted to hear. Just because 6th, 8th and 12th are empty does not mean that you will never have any health problems. The planet with the lords of these houses also affect your health. If you read earlier mails on this group, you will find out more about viprit rajyoga. Venus has made you lucky in love, but so many planets in 11th house will also give you numerous love affairs. Will they not adversely affect your married life? You still have a lot to learn about astrology. Most of the members in this group have passes your stage and are therefore keeping a wise silence. Only time will tell what is right. Take care when jupiter enters libra and stays there for one year. All the best, Ashutosh - hbk1hbk_2100 Sunday, 25 September, 2005 11:59 Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) I know it is difficult, but I know my chart so well because I studied my chart with more than 100 astrologers all over world. I do not have any guru. Every astrologer is different, knows some good stuff. I spent few months with each one of them and learnt their techniques. The reason I did not have health problems is that 1. The 6th 8th and 12th houses are empty. 2. I have jupiter, mercury ketu in mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd and 9th house. 3. Saturn Venus, Sun are in moon's nakshatra the ruler of 5th house and placed in 10th house. 4. Only Mars gave me sickness few times because it is placed placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. 5. I was sick few times in sun mahadasha because sun rules 6th house. 6. The reason why Venus gave me good results is that Venus and Moon are in each other's nakshatra. So it was good for love and money. You think Mars will give me money. I think you are wrong because Mars is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. My Mars dasha gave me overrall happiness but I was very poor in Mars mahadasha. You think Saturn is strong in my chart, again you are wrong. Saturn's mooltrikona sign falls in 12th house and saturn is debilitated in navamsa. So saturn will not give me wealth. Rather my saturn mahadasha will be very difficult. Jupiter, Mercury and ketu are in Mars nakshsatra. These three planets will activate exalted mars and 11th house in year 2009. I will be 47 years old, it also represents ketu's year. Transit jupiter will be at 25 degrees in capricorn, in second house from natal moon. I am surprised you do not use nakshatras and you are a professional astrologer. If I say venus period was bad then you will say venus is combust. If I say venus period was good then it becomes vipreet raj yoga. I would say rahu was the most difficult and challenging period in my chart because rahu aspects all 7 planets in my chart. I survived rahu mahdasha very gracefully. I can show predictions given by very famous astrologers who have written books had made big mistakes in analyszing my chart. I weigh 100 Kgs, 6' 1" tall and handsome looks. People many times say why don't you go to bollywood and become actor in movies. G. Singh , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > It is very difficult for an astrologer to correctly analyse his own horoscope. Either the inferences are totally negative or totally positive. > > You haven't had any health problems because till now you have not undergone any of the combust planets' dashas. But, at this age when the combust and debiliated lagna lord's dasha begins, you should be careful. > > Rahu-venus gave you windfalls because venus being combust has formed a viprit rajyoga. But, jupiter being combust cannot be beneficial. Only, the jupiter-saturn dasha will give financial boost which will be maintained during the dasha, but health will remain a concern. > > I am a practising professional astrologer with more practical knowledge than bookish one. I will give you one birth detail to explain the negative effects of combust planets in their dasha. > > 11-jul-1963 > 11.15am > Delhi > India > 28N39 77E13 > > This person, even during the sixth lord saturn's period, had no serious health problems except hypertension. But as soon as mercury dasha began, both the kidneys started malfunctioning and today the person is surviving only on dialysis. Mercury is lagna lord and in its on sign too but is combust. > > Astrology is not as simple as it seems. It is wiser to accept the negative aspects of one's horoscope and do remedies for them beforehand instead of denying them completely. > > I have tested and tried all methods in jyotish, including astakvarga, nakshatra based analysis. I say whatever I have observed in practice. Nothing bookish. You are still in Rahu dasha, and your decisions and thinking are still under the influence of rahu. > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 10:54 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated chart, even > very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making predictions for > me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together > combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th house > with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be spending my > time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to sun so > it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. > > But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like 30. I > have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time in my > life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers learn > from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs > practical experience in astrology rather than bookish knowledge. > Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even work in > real life. > > I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting for a > bigger windfall. > You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine how the > planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is just > wasting time in astrology field. > > G. Singh > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > I have observed lots of people who were born > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all the > riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that out of > these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those which > are not combust have given them the good results. The combust ones > will also show their negative effects. > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are combust > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > importance to the strength of planets according to their placement in > natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not call > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and a > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a common > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When Bill > gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called a > beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is > in > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In order > to > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury > will > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. This > is > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can > ask > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two are > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > Jupiter- > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told > by > > many > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > > myself > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > > house. > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha > in > > Mars > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > promised > > by > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could > come > > when > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > period > > or > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple > of > > days > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in > 11th > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > Mercury > > in > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th > house > > and > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, > and > > Mars > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > important > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > nakshatra, > > and > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > > chart. I > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > 10:03 AM > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > doshas?"is > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > doshas.May > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > considerd > > as > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches > what > > we > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > than > > get > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > > cycle of > > > births and deaths. > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > > that we > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > > Moksha > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something > lost > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > (2nd,6th > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > artha > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > shape > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then > we > > need > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > kama),one > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > time to > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > furthering > > his > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > cycles of > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective > of > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > attachments > > and > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > > manner > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > decrimination > > to > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too > may > > be > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > poorva > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of > the > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > > various > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > Astrology,the > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > > enable > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is > moksha > > but > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant > for > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving > to > > the > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > > beings > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > > what > > > the native intends. > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > ealisation > > and > > > correct path. > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to > the > > same > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being > bad > > makes > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each > of > > > which > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > > where > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > position > > > too. > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity > [11]. > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > most > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > > astrology > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > stance. > > In > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > mentioning > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half > and > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > fertile > > and > > > so > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, > some > > of > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for > and > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > recent > > > addition > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > > never > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > wretched > > > soul > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who > will > > seek > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > spiritual > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > <jr_esq> > > wrote: > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > attended > > > in > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas > (or > > > three > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > desires, > > > > and > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > house > > > > signifying > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > house > > > > signifying > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > have > > the > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > through > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > individuals > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > plane > > that > > > is. > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm > and > > that > > > > is > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > *spiritual* > > > growth > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology > is > > about > > > > the > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > jobs, > > > money, > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > > dharma > > > > stuff > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas > and > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies > and > > > ishta > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > > extent > > > I > > > > > say, > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > efficiently > > for > > > > > worldly > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > perhaps > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > really > > > worked > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > mileage > > > > out > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > etc.? > > Being > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > explain > > the > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas > (e.g., > > 24- > > > > 31) > > > > > in > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > edition). I > > > > > truly > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with > their > > > > female > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > > version > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to > the > > > > > originally > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of > what > > we > > > > have > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it > is > > wise > > > > to > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > worldly > > > > things, > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > > very > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry > here > > I > > > go > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going > to > > get > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > lucky -- > > with > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the > time > > and > > > > pick > > > > > a > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases > of > > good > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) > from > > > > > different > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and > see > > how > > > the > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > transits, > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work > out > > > > verbatim > > > > > in > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > > someone > > > else > > > > > for > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > > great! > > > If > > > > > it > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And > if > > doubt > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate > to > > move > > > > > beyond > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and > you > > may > > > > even > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > describes, > > > > > astrology > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > describes > > > > real > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial > query > > was > > > a > > > > > bit > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > Eleventh > > House > > > > > makes > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > > planet, > > > > > whether > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > spiritual > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > > astrology > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- ---- > ---- > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Dear G. Singh ji, Didn't know 7 planets in a house could make some one arrogant and ill mannered too. All those who don't have 7 planets in a house are really lucky. sincerely, Varun Trivedi , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > Having seven planets in 11th house has centered your horoscope in that house, house of friends and money. The obsession with money and all queries centered on money is very evident by your mails. > > All your gains and losses will be concerned with 11th house. Even your death will be related to it. > > I consider nakshatras too but give main importance to planetary positions and their interaction in main chart. You cannot deny combustion just because the phenmenon goes against your desires. > > Don't you think that all these planets in one house have made you vey confused and going to hundred astrologers proves that. Why was the need to go to more than hundred astrologers? Because they were not saying what you wanted to hear. > > Just because 6th, 8th and 12th are empty does not mean that you will never have any health problems. The planet with the lords of these houses also affect your health. > > If you read earlier mails on this group, you will find out more about viprit rajyoga. Venus has made you lucky in love, but so many planets in 11th house will also give you numerous love affairs. Will they not adversely affect your married life? > > You still have a lot to learn about astrology. Most of the members in this group have passes your stage and are therefore keeping a wise silence. > > Only time will tell what is right. Take care when jupiter enters libra and stays there for one year. > > > > All the best, > > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 11:59 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > I know it is difficult, but I know my chart so well because I studied > my chart with more than 100 astrologers all over world. I do not have > any guru. Every astrologer is different, knows some good stuff. I > spent few months with each one of them and learnt their techniques. > The reason I did not have health problems is that > > 1. The 6th 8th and 12th houses are empty. > > 2. I have jupiter, mercury ketu in mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd > and 9th house. > > 3. Saturn Venus, Sun are in moon's nakshatra the ruler of 5th house > and placed in 10th house. > > 4. Only Mars gave me sickness few times because it is placed placed > in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. > > 5. I was sick few times in sun mahadasha because sun rules 6th house. > > 6. The reason why Venus gave me good results is that Venus and Moon > are in each other's nakshatra. So it was good for love and money. > > You think Mars will give me money. I think you are wrong because Mars > is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. My Mars dasha gave me overrall > happiness but I was very poor in Mars mahadasha. > > You think Saturn is strong in my chart, again you are wrong. Saturn's > mooltrikona sign falls in 12th house and saturn is debilitated in > navamsa. So saturn will not give me wealth. Rather my saturn > mahadasha will be very difficult. > > Jupiter, Mercury and ketu are in Mars nakshsatra. These three planets > will activate exalted mars and 11th house in year 2009. I will be 47 > years old, it also represents ketu's year. Transit jupiter will be at > 25 degrees in capricorn, in second house from natal moon. > > I am surprised you do not use nakshatras and you are a professional > astrologer. > > If I say venus period was bad then you will say venus is combust. If > I say venus period was good then it becomes vipreet raj yoga. > > I would say rahu was the most difficult and challenging period in my > chart because rahu aspects all 7 planets in my chart. I survived rahu > mahdasha very gracefully. > I can show predictions given by very famous astrologers who have > written books had made big mistakes in analyszing my chart. > > I weigh 100 Kgs, 6' 1" tall and handsome looks. People many times say > why don't you go to bollywood and become actor in movies. > > > G. Singh > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > It is very difficult for an astrologer to > correctly analyse his own horoscope. Either the inferences are > totally negative or totally positive. > > > > You haven't had any health problems because till now you > have not undergone any of the combust planets' dashas. But, at this > age when the combust and debiliated lagna lord's dasha begins, you > should be careful. > > > > Rahu-venus gave you windfalls because venus being combust > has formed a viprit rajyoga. But, jupiter being combust cannot be > beneficial. Only, the jupiter-saturn dasha will give financial boost > which will be maintained during the dasha, but health will remain a > concern. > > > > I am a practising professional astrologer with more > practical knowledge than bookish one. I will give you one birth > detail to explain the negative effects of combust planets in their > dasha. > > > > 11-jul-1963 > > 11.15am > > Delhi > > India > > 28N39 77E13 > > > > This person, even during the sixth lord saturn's period, > had no serious health problems except hypertension. But as soon as > mercury dasha began, both the kidneys started malfunctioning and > today the person is surviving only on dialysis. Mercury is lagna lord > and in its on sign too but is combust. > > > > Astrology is not as simple as it seems. It is wiser to > accept the negative aspects of one's horoscope and do remedies for > them beforehand instead of denying them completely. > > > > I have tested and tried all methods in jyotish, including > astakvarga, nakshatra based analysis. I say whatever I have observed > in practice. Nothing bookish. You are still in Rahu dasha, and your > decisions and thinking are still under the influence of rahu. > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 10:54 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated chart, > even > > very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making predictions > for > > me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together > > combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th > house > > with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be > spending my > > time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to sun > so > > it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. > > > > But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like > 30. I > > have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time in > my > > life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers > learn > > from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs > > practical experience in astrology rather than bookish knowledge. > > Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even work > in > > real life. > > > > I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting for > a > > bigger windfall. > > You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine how > the > > planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is > just > > wasting time in astrology field. > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > --- In , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > I have observed lots of people who were > born > > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some > of > > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all > > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all > the > > riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that > out of > > these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those > which > > are not combust have given them the good results. The combust > ones > > will also show their negative effects. > > > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are > combust > > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > > importance to the strength of planets according to their > placement in > > natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not > call > > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince > and a > > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a > common > > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When > Bill > > gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called > a > > beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house > is > > in > > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In > order > > to > > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I > have > > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu > mercury > > will > > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. > This > > is > > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You > can > > ask > > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two > are > > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > > Jupiter- > > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > Rohini > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > told > > by > > > many > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > wealth. I > > > myself > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > 11th > > > house. > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > Dhanistha > > in > > > Mars > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > promised > > > by > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth > could > > come > > > when > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > period > > > or > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > couple > > of > > > days > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon > in > > 11th > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > Mercury > > > in > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of > 5th > > house > > > and > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > Jupiter, > > and > > > Mars > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will > play > > > important > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > nakshatra, > > > and > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for > my > > > chart. I > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > memebers. > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > contain > > > doshas?"is > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > doshas.May > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > considerd > > > as > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > teaches > > what > > > we > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > > than > > > get > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > vicous > > > cycle of > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result > will be > > > that we > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment > of > > > Moksha > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > something > > lost > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > > (2nd,6th > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham > and > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > > artha > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > baiscs of > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > > shape > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > vairagya.Then > > we > > > need > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain > is > > > kama),one > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > > time to > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > furthering > > > his > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > cycles of > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > perspective > > of > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > attachments > > > and > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in > the > > > manner > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > decrimination > > > to > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses > too > > may > > > be > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > > poorva > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing > of > > the > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance > of > > > various > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > Astrology,the > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life > and > > > enable > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life > is > > moksha > > > but > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > meant > > for > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > serving > > to > > > the > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > human > > > beings > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > promote > > > what > > > > the native intends. > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > native > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > ealisation > > > and > > > > correct path. > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed > to > > the > > > same > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. > and > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > being > > bad > > > makes > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, > each > > of > > > > which > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > SELF > > > where > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > > position > > > > too. > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > charity > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > > most > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking > for > > > > astrology > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > > stance. > > > In > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > merely > > > mentioning > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > half > > and > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > fertile > > > and > > > > so > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > remedies, > > some > > > of > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared > for > > and > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > recent > > > > addition > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and > will > > > never > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > > wretched > > > > soul > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one > who > > will > > > seek > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to > the > > > > spiritual > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > <jr_esq> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar > I've > > > attended > > > > in > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > Doshas > > (or > > > > three > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house > of > > > desires, > > > > > and > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > > have > > > the > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > > through > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > (Crystal > > > Pages)" > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > individuals > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > > plane > > > that > > > > is. > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > realm > > and > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > *spiritual* > > > > growth > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > astrology > > is > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > > jobs, > > > > money, > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit > of > > > dharma > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > yogas > > and > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > remedies > > and > > > > ishta > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to > some > > > extent > > > > I > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > efficiently > > > for > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly > and > > > perhaps > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > > really > > > > worked > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > spiritual > > > mileage > > > > > out > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > > etc.? > > > Being > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > explain > > > the > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > shlokas > > (e.g., > > > 24- > > > > > 31) > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > edition). I > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that > with > > their > > > > > female > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > distorted > > > version > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance > to > > the > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much > of > > what > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible > but it > > is > > > wise > > > > > to > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > > worldly > > > > > things, > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) > has > > > very > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > <sorry > > here > > > I > > > > go > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > going > > to > > > get > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > lucky -- > > > with > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take > the > > time > > > and > > > > > pick > > > > > > a > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > databases > > of > > > good > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > instance) > > from > > > > > > different > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- > and > > see > > > how > > > > the > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > dashas, > > > transits, > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to > work > > out > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > in > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write > or > > > someone > > > > else > > > > > > for > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > works > > > great! > > > > If > > > > > > it > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! > And > > if > > > doubt > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > motivate > > to > > > move > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, > and > > you > > > may > > > > > even > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > describes, > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since > it > > > describes > > > > > real > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > initial > > query > > > was > > > > a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > Eleventh > > > House > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of > any > > > planet, > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > inauspicious > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > spiritual > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > other.. > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > RELISH > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free > vedic > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- ----- > ---- > > ---- > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Dear Ashutosh, You are misguiding people by giving wrong manipulative predictions. I studied your friend's chart who is in hospital. He is sick because sun the ruler of 12th house and rahu are surrounding his lagna lord mercury. All three planets become maraka for him as they are in jupiter's nakshatra, the ruler of 7th in 7th. Also Mercury does not receive support fron other functional benefics in his chart. Mercury and sun always stay close to each other by transit. According to your technique most of the people born with gemini ascendent and virgo ascendant should be sick and in hospital because mercury is most of the time combust and close to sun. G. Singh , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > Having seven planets in 11th house has centered your horoscope in that house, house of friends and money. The obsession with money and all queries centered on money is very evident by your mails. > > All your gains and losses will be concerned with 11th house. Even your death will be related to it. > > I consider nakshatras too but give main importance to planetary positions and their interaction in main chart. You cannot deny combustion just because the phenmenon goes against your desires. > > Don't you think that all these planets in one house have made you vey confused and going to hundred astrologers proves that. Why was the need to go to more than hundred astrologers? Because they were not saying what you wanted to hear. > > Just because 6th, 8th and 12th are empty does not mean that you will never have any health problems. The planet with the lords of these houses also affect your health. > > If you read earlier mails on this group, you will find out more about viprit rajyoga. Venus has made you lucky in love, but so many planets in 11th house will also give you numerous love affairs. Will they not adversely affect your married life? > > You still have a lot to learn about astrology. Most of the members in this group have passes your stage and are therefore keeping a wise silence. > > Only time will tell what is right. Take care when jupiter enters libra and stays there for one year. > > > > All the best, > > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 11:59 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > I know it is difficult, but I know my chart so well because I studied > my chart with more than 100 astrologers all over world. I do not have > any guru. Every astrologer is different, knows some good stuff. I > spent few months with each one of them and learnt their techniques. > The reason I did not have health problems is that > > 1. The 6th 8th and 12th houses are empty. > > 2. I have jupiter, mercury ketu in mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd > and 9th house. > > 3. Saturn Venus, Sun are in moon's nakshatra the ruler of 5th house > and placed in 10th house. > > 4. Only Mars gave me sickness few times because it is placed placed > in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. > > 5. I was sick few times in sun mahadasha because sun rules 6th house. > > 6. The reason why Venus gave me good results is that Venus and Moon > are in each other's nakshatra. So it was good for love and money. > > You think Mars will give me money. I think you are wrong because Mars > is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. My Mars dasha gave me overrall > happiness but I was very poor in Mars mahadasha. > > You think Saturn is strong in my chart, again you are wrong. Saturn's > mooltrikona sign falls in 12th house and saturn is debilitated in > navamsa. So saturn will not give me wealth. Rather my saturn > mahadasha will be very difficult. > > Jupiter, Mercury and ketu are in Mars nakshsatra. These three planets > will activate exalted mars and 11th house in year 2009. I will be 47 > years old, it also represents ketu's year. Transit jupiter will be at > 25 degrees in capricorn, in second house from natal moon. > > I am surprised you do not use nakshatras and you are a professional > astrologer. > > If I say venus period was bad then you will say venus is combust. If > I say venus period was good then it becomes vipreet raj yoga. > > I would say rahu was the most difficult and challenging period in my > chart because rahu aspects all 7 planets in my chart. I survived rahu > mahdasha very gracefully. > I can show predictions given by very famous astrologers who have > written books had made big mistakes in analyszing my chart. > > I weigh 100 Kgs, 6' 1" tall and handsome looks. People many times say > why don't you go to bollywood and become actor in movies. > > > G. Singh > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > It is very difficult for an astrologer to > correctly analyse his own horoscope. Either the inferences are > totally negative or totally positive. > > > > You haven't had any health problems because till now you > have not undergone any of the combust planets' dashas. But, at this > age when the combust and debiliated lagna lord's dasha begins, you > should be careful. > > > > Rahu-venus gave you windfalls because venus being combust > has formed a viprit rajyoga. But, jupiter being combust cannot be > beneficial. Only, the jupiter-saturn dasha will give financial boost > which will be maintained during the dasha, but health will remain a > concern. > > > > I am a practising professional astrologer with more > practical knowledge than bookish one. I will give you one birth > detail to explain the negative effects of combust planets in their > dasha. > > > > 11-jul-1963 > > 11.15am > > Delhi > > India > > 28N39 77E13 > > > > This person, even during the sixth lord saturn's period, > had no serious health problems except hypertension. But as soon as > mercury dasha began, both the kidneys started malfunctioning and > today the person is surviving only on dialysis. Mercury is lagna lord > and in its on sign too but is combust. > > > > Astrology is not as simple as it seems. It is wiser to > accept the negative aspects of one's horoscope and do remedies for > them beforehand instead of denying them completely. > > > > I have tested and tried all methods in jyotish, including > astakvarga, nakshatra based analysis. I say whatever I have observed > in practice. Nothing bookish. You are still in Rahu dasha, and your > decisions and thinking are still under the influence of rahu. > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 10:54 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated chart, > even > > very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making predictions > for > > me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together > > combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th > house > > with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be > spending my > > time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to sun > so > > it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. > > > > But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like > 30. I > > have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time in > my > > life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers > learn > > from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs > > practical experience in astrology rather than bookish knowledge. > > Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even work > in > > real life. > > > > I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting for > a > > bigger windfall. > > You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine how > the > > planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is > just > > wasting time in astrology field. > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > I have observed lots of people who were > born > > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some > of > > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all > > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all > the > > riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that > out of > > these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those > which > > are not combust have given them the good results. The combust > ones > > will also show their negative effects. > > > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are > combust > > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > > importance to the strength of planets according to their > placement in > > natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not > call > > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince > and a > > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a > common > > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When > Bill > > gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called > a > > beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house > is > > in > > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In > order > > to > > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I > have > > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu > mercury > > will > > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. > This > > is > > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You > can > > ask > > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two > are > > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > > Jupiter- > > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > Rohini > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > told > > by > > > many > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > wealth. I > > > myself > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > 11th > > > house. > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > Dhanistha > > in > > > Mars > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > promised > > > by > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth > could > > come > > > when > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > period > > > or > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > couple > > of > > > days > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon > in > > 11th > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > Mercury > > > in > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of > 5th > > house > > > and > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > Jupiter, > > and > > > Mars > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will > play > > > important > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > nakshatra, > > > and > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for > my > > > chart. I > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > memebers. > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > contain > > > doshas?"is > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > doshas.May > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > considerd > > > as > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > teaches > > what > > > we > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > > than > > > get > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > vicous > > > cycle of > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result > will be > > > that we > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment > of > > > Moksha > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > something > > lost > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > > (2nd,6th > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham > and > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > > artha > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > baiscs of > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > > shape > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > vairagya.Then > > we > > > need > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain > is > > > kama),one > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > > time to > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > furthering > > > his > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > cycles of > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > perspective > > of > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > attachments > > > and > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in > the > > > manner > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > decrimination > > > to > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses > too > > may > > > be > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > > poorva > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing > of > > the > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance > of > > > various > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > Astrology,the > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life > and > > > enable > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life > is > > moksha > > > but > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > meant > > for > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > serving > > to > > > the > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > human > > > beings > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > promote > > > what > > > > the native intends. > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > native > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > ealisation > > > and > > > > correct path. > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed > to > > the > > > same > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. > and > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > being > > bad > > > makes > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, > each > > of > > > > which > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > SELF > > > where > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > > position > > > > too. > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > charity > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > > most > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking > for > > > > astrology > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > > stance. > > > In > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > merely > > > mentioning > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > half > > and > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > fertile > > > and > > > > so > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > remedies, > > some > > > of > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared > for > > and > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > recent > > > > addition > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and > will > > > never > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > > wretched > > > > soul > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one > who > > will > > > seek > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to > the > > > > spiritual > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > <jr_esq> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar > I've > > > attended > > > > in > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > Doshas > > (or > > > > three > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house > of > > > desires, > > > > > and > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > > have > > > the > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > > through > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > (Crystal > > > Pages)" > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > individuals > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > > plane > > > that > > > > is. > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > realm > > and > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > *spiritual* > > > > growth > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > astrology > > is > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > > jobs, > > > > money, > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit > of > > > dharma > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > yogas > > and > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > remedies > > and > > > > ishta > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to > some > > > extent > > > > I > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > efficiently > > > for > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly > and > > > perhaps > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > > really > > > > worked > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > spiritual > > > mileage > > > > > out > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > > etc.? > > > Being > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > explain > > > the > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > shlokas > > (e.g., > > > 24- > > > > > 31) > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > edition). I > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that > with > > their > > > > > female > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > distorted > > > version > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance > to > > the > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much > of > > what > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible > but it > > is > > > wise > > > > > to > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > > worldly > > > > > things, > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) > has > > > very > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > <sorry > > here > > > I > > > > go > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > going > > to > > > get > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > lucky -- > > > with > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take > the > > time > > > and > > > > > pick > > > > > > a > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > databases > > of > > > good > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > instance) > > from > > > > > > different > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle - - > and > > see > > > how > > > > the > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > dashas, > > > transits, > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to > work > > out > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > in > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write > or > > > someone > > > > else > > > > > > for > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > works > > > great! > > > > If > > > > > > it > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! > And > > if > > > doubt > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > motivate > > to > > > move > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, > and > > you > > > may > > > > > even > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > describes, > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since > it > > > describes > > > > > real > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > initial > > query > > > was > > > > a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > Eleventh > > > House > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of > any > > > planet, > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > inauspicious > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > spiritual > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > other.. > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > RELISH > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free > vedic > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- ---- > ---- > > ---- > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Why you are so upset? , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd> wrote: > > > Dear G. Singh ji, > > Didn't know 7 planets in a house could make some one arrogant and > ill mannered too. All those who don't have 7 planets in a house are > really lucky. > > sincerely, > > Varun Trivedi > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > Having seven planets in 11th house has > centered your horoscope in that house, house of friends and money. > The obsession with money and all queries centered on money is very > evident by your mails. > > > > All your gains and losses will be concerned with 11th > house. Even your death will be related to it. > > > > I consider nakshatras too but give main importance to > planetary positions and their interaction in main chart. You cannot > deny combustion just because the phenmenon goes against your > desires. > > > > Don't you think that all these planets in one house have > made you vey confused and going to hundred astrologers proves that. > Why was the need to go to more than hundred astrologers? Because > they were not saying what you wanted to hear. > > > > Just because 6th, 8th and 12th are empty does not mean > that you will never have any health problems. The planet with the > lords of these houses also affect your health. > > > > If you read earlier mails on this group, you will find out > more about viprit rajyoga. Venus has made you lucky in love, but so > many planets in 11th house will also give you numerous love affairs. > Will they not adversely affect your married life? > > > > You still have a lot to learn about astrology. Most of the > members in this group have passes your stage and are therefore > keeping a wise silence. > > > > Only time will tell what is right. Take care when jupiter > enters libra and stays there for one year. > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 11:59 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > I know it is difficult, but I know my chart so well because I > studied > > my chart with more than 100 astrologers all over world. I do not > have > > any guru. Every astrologer is different, knows some good stuff. > I > > spent few months with each one of them and learnt their > techniques. > > The reason I did not have health problems is that > > > > 1. The 6th 8th and 12th houses are empty. > > > > 2. I have jupiter, mercury ketu in mars nakshatra the ruler of > 2nd > > and 9th house. > > > > 3. Saturn Venus, Sun are in moon's nakshatra the ruler of 5th > house > > and placed in 10th house. > > > > 4. Only Mars gave me sickness few times because it is placed > placed > > in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. > > > > 5. I was sick few times in sun mahadasha because sun rules 6th > house. > > > > 6. The reason why Venus gave me good results is that Venus and > Moon > > are in each other's nakshatra. So it was good for love and money. > > > > You think Mars will give me money. I think you are wrong because > Mars > > is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. My Mars dasha gave me > overrall > > happiness but I was very poor in Mars mahadasha. > > > > You think Saturn is strong in my chart, again you are wrong. > Saturn's > > mooltrikona sign falls in 12th house and saturn is debilitated > in > > navamsa. So saturn will not give me wealth. Rather my saturn > > mahadasha will be very difficult. > > > > Jupiter, Mercury and ketu are in Mars nakshsatra. These three > planets > > will activate exalted mars and 11th house in year 2009. I will > be 47 > > years old, it also represents ketu's year. Transit jupiter will > be at > > 25 degrees in capricorn, in second house from natal moon. > > > > I am surprised you do not use nakshatras and you are a > professional > > astrologer. > > > > If I say venus period was bad then you will say venus is > combust. If > > I say venus period was good then it becomes vipreet raj yoga. > > > > I would say rahu was the most difficult and challenging period > in my > > chart because rahu aspects all 7 planets in my chart. I survived > rahu > > mahdasha very gracefully. > > I can show predictions given by very famous astrologers who have > > written books had made big mistakes in analyszing my chart. > > > > I weigh 100 Kgs, 6' 1" tall and handsome looks. People many > times say > > why don't you go to bollywood and become actor in movies. > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > It is very difficult for an astrologer to > > correctly analyse his own horoscope. Either the inferences are > > totally negative or totally positive. > > > > > > You haven't had any health problems because till now > you > > have not undergone any of the combust planets' dashas. But, at > this > > age when the combust and debiliated lagna lord's dasha begins, > you > > should be careful. > > > > > > Rahu-venus gave you windfalls because venus being > combust > > has formed a viprit rajyoga. But, jupiter being combust cannot > be > > beneficial. Only, the jupiter-saturn dasha will give financial > boost > > which will be maintained during the dasha, but health will > remain a > > concern. > > > > > > I am a practising professional astrologer with more > > practical knowledge than bookish one. I will give you one birth > > detail to explain the negative effects of combust planets in > their > > dasha. > > > > > > 11-jul-1963 > > > 11.15am > > > Delhi > > > India > > > 28N39 77E13 > > > > > > This person, even during the sixth lord saturn's > period, > > had no serious health problems except hypertension. But as soon > as > > mercury dasha began, both the kidneys started malfunctioning and > > today the person is surviving only on dialysis. Mercury is lagna > lord > > and in its on sign too but is combust. > > > > > > Astrology is not as simple as it seems. It is wiser to > > accept the negative aspects of one's horoscope and do remedies > for > > them beforehand instead of denying them completely. > > > > > > I have tested and tried all methods in jyotish, > including > > astakvarga, nakshatra based analysis. I say whatever I have > observed > > in practice. Nothing bookish. You are still in Rahu dasha, and > your > > decisions and thinking are still under the influence of rahu. > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 10:54 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated > chart, > > even > > > very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making > predictions > > for > > > me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are > together > > > combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th > > house > > > with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be > > spending my > > > time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to > sun > > so > > > it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. > > > > > > But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look > like > > 30. I > > > have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of > time in > > my > > > life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur > astrologers > > learn > > > from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs > > > practical experience in astrology rather than bookish > knowledge. > > > Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even > work > > in > > > real life. > > > > > > I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am > waiting for > > a > > > bigger windfall. > > > You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine > how > > the > > > planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one > is > > just > > > wasting time in astrology field. > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > I have observed lots of people who > were > > born > > > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. > Some > > of > > > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have > lost all > > > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some > have all > > the > > > riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is > that > > out of > > > these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those > > which > > > are not combust have given them the good results. The > combust > > ones > > > will also show their negative effects. > > > > > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are > > combust > > > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords > of > > > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give > prime > > > importance to the strength of planets according to their > > placement in > > > natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will > not > > call > > > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a > prince > > and a > > > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, > a > > common > > > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. > When > > Bill > > > gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be > called > > a > > > beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > Rohini > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th > house > > is > > > in > > > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. > In > > order > > > to > > > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. > I > > have > > > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu > > mercury > > > will > > > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and > bhuktis. > > This > > > is > > > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. > You > > can > > > ask > > > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only > two > > are > > > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait > for > > > Jupiter- > > > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House > (for > > > Rohini > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have > been > > told > > > by > > > > many > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > > wealth. I > > > > myself > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in > the > > 11th > > > > house. > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > > Dhanistha > > > in > > > > Mars > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the > results > > > promised > > > > by > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden > wealth > > could > > > come > > > > when > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or > JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > period > > > > or > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was > born > > couple > > > of > > > > days > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and > moon > > in > > > 11th > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter > Ketu > > > Mercury > > > > in > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler > of > > 5th > > > house > > > > and > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king > in > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > > Jupiter, > > > and > > > > Mars > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher > level. > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS > will > > play > > > > important > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > > nakshatra, > > > > and > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka > planet for > > my > > > > chart. I > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem > krishnan > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > > contain > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses > having > > > > doshas.May > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to > be > > > considerd > > > > as > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > > teaches > > > what > > > > we > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings > aspire > > > than > > > > get > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in > the > > vicous > > > > cycle of > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the > result > > will be > > > > that we > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from > moksha.Attainment > > of > > > > Moksha > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well > through the > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one > awauts is > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > > something > > > lost > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three > houses > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz > lagna,pancham > > and > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so > also > > > artha > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > > baiscs of > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and > welfare to > > > shape > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > > vairagya.Then > > > we > > > > need > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to > gain > > is > > > > kama),one > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here > one has > > > time to > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead > of > > > furthering > > > > his > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the > vicious > > > cycles of > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > > perspective > > > of > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > > attachments > > > > and > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and > prosper in > > the > > > > manner > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > > decrimination > > > > to > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These > houses > > too > > > may > > > > be > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends > on our > > > poorva > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some > thing > > of > > > the > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective > significance > > of > > > > various > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance > of > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the > life > > and > > > > enable > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to > life > > is > > > moksha > > > > but > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is > just > > meant > > > for > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > > serving > > > to > > > > the > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make > all > > human > > > > beings > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha > through > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs > accordingly > > promote > > > > what > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support > the > > native > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > > ealisation > > > > and > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach > proposed > > to > > > the > > > > same > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty > consciousness. > > and > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > > being > > > bad > > > > makes > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, > earning, > > each > > > of > > > > > which > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the > BIG > > SELF > > > > where > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the > spiritual > > > > position > > > > > too. > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > > charity > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from > which > > > most > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not > looking > > for > > > > > astrology > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take > that > > > stance. > > > > In > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > > merely > > > > mentioning > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter > or > > half > > > and > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and > famous, > > > fertile > > > > and > > > > > so > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > > remedies, > > > some > > > > of > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well > cared > > for > > > and > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a > more > > > recent > > > > > addition > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never > and > > will > > > > never > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The > poor > > > > wretched > > > > > soul > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the > one > > who > > > will > > > > seek > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be > elevated to > > the > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > > <jr_esq> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a > seminar > > I've > > > > attended > > > > > in > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the > Trika > > Doshas > > > (or > > > > > three > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a > house > > of > > > > desires, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, > the > > > house > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, > the > > > house > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, > humans > > > have > > > > the > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative > predispositions > > > through > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the > doshas > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "Rohini > > (Crystal > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. > Some > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the > worldly > > > plane > > > > that > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the > worldly > > realm > > > and > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > > *spiritual* > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all > the > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > > astrology > > > is > > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care > about, > > > jobs, > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a > bit > > of > > > > dharma > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on > ascetic > > yogas > > > and > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > > remedies > > > and > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still > holds > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite > healthily to > > some > > > > extent > > > > > I > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > > efficiently > > > > for > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was > predominantly > > and > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some > have > > > really > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > > spiritual > > > > mileage > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the > Sages > > > etc.? > > > > Being > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone > please > > > explain > > > > the > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > > shlokas > > > (e.g., > > > > 24- > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, > 1995/1997 > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss > that > > with > > > their > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > > distorted > > > > version > > > > > that > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear > resemblance > > to > > > the > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how > much > > of > > > what > > > > we > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is > impossible > > but it > > > is > > > > wise > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that > for > > > worldly > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems > Approach) > > has > > > > very > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and > since > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive > beat > > <sorry > > > here > > > > I > > > > > go > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you > are > > going > > > to > > > > get > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you > are > > > lucky -- > > > > with > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to > take > > the > > > time > > > > and > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > > databases > > > of > > > > good > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > > instance) > > > from > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, > middle -- > > and > > > see > > > > how > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > > dashas, > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going > to > > work > > > out > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or > write > > or > > > > someone > > > > > else > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if > it > > works > > > > great! > > > > > If > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, > anyway! > > And > > > if > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > > motivate > > > to > > > > move > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology > is, > > and > > > you > > > > may > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life > it > > > describes, > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and > since > > it > > > > describes > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > > initial > > > query > > > > was > > > > > a > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship > of > > > Eleventh > > > > House > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement > of > > any > > > > planet, > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > > inauspicious > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains > and > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with > each > > other.. > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th > Lordship? > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > DIVINITY > > AND > > > > RELISH > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email > to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > Terms of > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief > > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > DIVINITY > > AND > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology > Free > > vedic > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- - > ----- > > ---- > > > ---- > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Combustion can only hurt you if sun rules bad houses 6th 8th and 12th. Also the planet in question does not receive support from other functional benefics in the chart. If for example sun rules 9th house and mercury rules 10th house then sun's conjunction with mercury is very good, in this case mercury will not be hurt. G. Singh , kumar kumar <kumar07306> wrote: > mr g. singh i have a questin for u my venus is combusted with saturn in 4 th house will i have any health problems and mars retro in 10 house carrer wise stagnent can u analise my chart please d/b,,15 th march 1965 time 0015 AM hyderabad ap india thanks in advance hope u help me out takecare raj.k > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:I know it is difficult, but I know my chart so well because I studied > my chart with more than 100 astrologers all over world. I do not have > any guru. Every astrologer is different, knows some good stuff. I > spent few months with each one of them and learnt their techniques. > The reason I did not have health problems is that > > 1. The 6th 8th and 12th houses are empty. > > 2. I have jupiter, mercury ketu in mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd > and 9th house. > > 3. Saturn Venus, Sun are in moon's nakshatra the ruler of 5th house > and placed in 10th house. > > 4. Only Mars gave me sickness few times because it is placed placed > in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. > > 5. I was sick few times in sun mahadasha because sun rules 6th house. > > 6. The reason why Venus gave me good results is that Venus and Moon > are in each other's nakshatra. So it was good for love and money. > > You think Mars will give me money. I think you are wrong because Mars > is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. My Mars dasha gave me overrall > happiness but I was very poor in Mars mahadasha. > > You think Saturn is strong in my chart, again you are wrong. Saturn's > mooltrikona sign falls in 12th house and saturn is debilitated in > navamsa. So saturn will not give me wealth. Rather my saturn > mahadasha will be very difficult. > > Jupiter, Mercury and ketu are in Mars nakshsatra. These three planets > will activate exalted mars and 11th house in year 2009. I will be 47 > years old, it also represents ketu's year. Transit jupiter will be at > 25 degrees in capricorn, in second house from natal moon. > > I am surprised you do not use nakshatras and you are a professional > astrologer. > > If I say venus period was bad then you will say venus is combust. If > I say venus period was good then it becomes vipreet raj yoga. > > I would say rahu was the most difficult and challenging period in my > chart because rahu aspects all 7 planets in my chart. I survived rahu > mahdasha very gracefully. > I can show predictions given by very famous astrologers who have > written books had made big mistakes in analyszing my chart. > > I weigh 100 Kgs, 6' 1" tall and handsome looks. People many times say > why don't you go to bollywood and become actor in movies. > > > G. Singh > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > It is very difficult for an astrologer to > correctly analyse his own horoscope. Either the inferences are > totally negative or totally positive. > > > > You haven't had any health problems because till now you > have not undergone any of the combust planets' dashas. But, at this > age when the combust and debiliated lagna lord's dasha begins, you > should be careful. > > > > Rahu-venus gave you windfalls because venus being combust > has formed a viprit rajyoga. But, jupiter being combust cannot be > beneficial. Only, the jupiter-saturn dasha will give financial boost > which will be maintained during the dasha, but health will remain a > concern. > > > > I am a practising professional astrologer with more > practical knowledge than bookish one. I will give you one birth > detail to explain the negative effects of combust planets in their > dasha. > > > > 11-jul-1963 > > 11.15am > > Delhi > > India > > 28N39 77E13 > > > > This person, even during the sixth lord saturn's period, > had no serious health problems except hypertension. But as soon as > mercury dasha began, both the kidneys started malfunctioning and > today the person is surviving only on dialysis. Mercury is lagna lord > and in its on sign too but is combust. > > > > Astrology is not as simple as it seems. It is wiser to > accept the negative aspects of one's horoscope and do remedies for > them beforehand instead of denying them completely. > > > > I have tested and tried all methods in jyotish, including > astakvarga, nakshatra based analysis. I say whatever I have observed > in practice. Nothing bookish. You are still in Rahu dasha, and your > decisions and thinking are still under the influence of rahu. > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 10:54 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated chart, > even > > very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making predictions > for > > me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together > > combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th > house > > with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be > spending my > > time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to sun > so > > it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. > > > > But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like > 30. I > > have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time in > my > > life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers > learn > > from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs > > practical experience in astrology rather than bookish knowledge. > > Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even work > in > > real life. > > > > I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting for > a > > bigger windfall. > > You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine how > the > > planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is > just > > wasting time in astrology field. > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > I have observed lots of people who were > born > > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some > of > > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all > > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all > the > > riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that > out of > > these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those > which > > are not combust have given them the good results. The combust > ones > > will also show their negative effects. > > > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are > combust > > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > > importance to the strength of planets according to their > placement in > > natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not > call > > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince > and a > > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a > common > > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When > Bill > > gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called > a > > beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house > is > > in > > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In > order > > to > > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I > have > > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu > mercury > > will > > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. > This > > is > > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You > can > > ask > > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two > are > > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > > Jupiter- > > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > Rohini > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > told > > by > > > many > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > wealth. I > > > myself > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > 11th > > > house. > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > Dhanistha > > in > > > Mars > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > promised > > > by > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth > could > > come > > > when > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > period > > > or > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > couple > > of > > > days > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon > in > > 11th > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > Mercury > > > in > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of > 5th > > house > > > and > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > Jupiter, > > and > > > Mars > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will > play > > > important > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > nakshatra, > > > and > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for > my > > > chart. I > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > memebers. > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > contain > > > doshas?"is > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > doshas.May > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > considerd > > > as > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > teaches > > what > > > we > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > > than > > > get > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > vicous > > > cycle of > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result > will be > > > that we > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment > of > > > Moksha > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > something > > lost > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > > (2nd,6th > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham > and > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > > artha > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > baiscs of > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > > shape > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > vairagya.Then > > we > > > need > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain > is > > > kama),one > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > > time to > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > furthering > > > his > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > cycles of > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > perspective > > of > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > attachments > > > and > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in > the > > > manner > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > decrimination > > > to > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses > too > > may > > > be > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > > poorva > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing > of > > the > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance > of > > > various > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > Astrology,the > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life > and > > > enable > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life > is > > moksha > > > but > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > meant > > for > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > serving > > to > > > the > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > human > > > beings > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > promote > > > what > > > > the native intends. > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > native > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > ealisation > > > and > > > > correct path. > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed > to > > the > > > same > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. > and > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > being > > bad > > > makes > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, > each > > of > > > > which > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > SELF > > > where > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > > position > > > > too. > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > charity > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > > most > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking > for > > > > astrology > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > > stance. > > > In > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > merely > > > mentioning > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > half > > and > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > fertile > > > and > > > > so > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > remedies, > > some > > > of > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared > for > > and > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > recent > > > > addition > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and > will > > > never > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > > wretched > > > > soul > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one > who > > will > > > seek > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to > the > > > > spiritual > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > <jr_esq> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar > I've > > > attended > > > > in > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > Doshas > > (or > > > > three > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house > of > > > desires, > > > > > and > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > > have > > > the > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > > through > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > (Crystal > > > Pages)" > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > individuals > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > > plane > > > that > > > > is. > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > realm > > and > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > *spiritual* > > > > growth > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > astrology > > is > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > > jobs, > > > > money, > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit > of > > > dharma > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > yogas > > and > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > remedies > > and > > > > ishta > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to > some > > > extent > > > > I > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > efficiently > > > for > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly > and > > > perhaps > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > > really > > > > worked > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > spiritual > > > mileage > > > > > out > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > > etc.? > > > Being > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > explain > > > the > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > shlokas > > (e.g., > > > 24- > > > > > 31) > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > edition). I > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that > with > > their > > > > > female > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > distorted > > > version > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance > to > > the > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much > of > > what > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible > but it > > is > > > wise > > > > > to > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > > worldly > > > > > things, > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) > has > > > very > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > <sorry > > here > > > I > > > > go > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > going > > to > > > get > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > lucky -- > > > with > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take > the > > time > > > and > > > > > pick > > > > > > a > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > databases > > of > > > good > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > instance) > > from > > > > > > different > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- > and > > see > > > how > > > > the > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > dashas, > > > transits, > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to > work > > out > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > in > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write > or > > > someone > > > > else > > > > > > for > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > works > > > great! > > > > If > > > > > > it > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! > And > > if > > > doubt > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > motivate > > to > > > move > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, > and > > you > > > may > > > > > even > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > describes, > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since > it > > > describes > > > > > real > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > initial > > query > > > was > > > > a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > Eleventh > > > House > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of > any > > > planet, > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > inauspicious > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > spiritual > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > other.. > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > RELISH > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free > vedic > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- -- > ---- > > ---- > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 PLEASE READ MY COMMENTS , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > Having seven planets in 11th house has centered your horoscope in that house, house of friends and money. The obsession with money and all queries centered on money is very evident by your mails. I AGREE WITH YOU > All your gains and losses will be concerned with 11th house. Even your death will be related to it. I AGREE WITH YOU > I consider nakshatras too but give main importance to planetary positions and their interaction in main chart. You cannot deny combustion just because the phenmenon goes against your desires. YOU CAN NOT JUST JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS WHEN YOU SEE OTHER PLANETS WITH SUN. IF SUN RULES FOR EXAMPLE 9TH HOUSE THEN CONJUNCTION WITH SUN WILL BE GOOD. > Don't you think that all these planets in one house have made you vey confused and going to hundred astrologers proves that. Why was the need to go to more than hundred astrologers? Because they were not saying what you wanted to hear. I WENT TO MORE THAN 100 ASTROLOGERS BECAUSE I WANTED TO BECOME MASTER IN ASTROLOGY. > Just because 6th, 8th and 12th are empty does not mean that you will never have any health problems. The planet with the lords of these houses also affect your health. THIS IS JUST ONE ASPECT I MENTIONED. THE ONLY PLANETS THAT CAN GIVE ME SICKNESS ARE MARS AND SUN. MARS IS PLACED IN 6TH LORD SUN'S NAKSHATRA, AND SUN RULES 6TH HOUSE. I WAS SICK FEW TIMES IN SUN MAHADASHA AND MARS MAHADASHA. > If you read earlier mails on this group, you will find out more about viprit rajyoga. Venus has made you lucky in love, but so many planets in 11th house will also give you numerous love affairs. Will they not adversely affect your married life? I AGREE WITH YOU. BUT I AM NOT MARRIED AT THE MOMENT, AND ENJOYING ALL THESE RELATIONSHIPS. > You still have a lot to learn about astrology. Most of the members in this group have passes your stage and are therefore keeping a wise silence. I RECEIVED 30 EMAILS FROM MEMBERS IN JUST 2 HOURS YESTERDAY EVENING WITH REQUESTS FOR READINGS. THEY ARE NOT SILENT. THEY ARE CONTACTING ME AGAIN AND AGAIN WITH READING REQUESTS. > Only time will tell what is right. Take care when jupiter enters libra and stays there for one year. JUPITER WILL BE IN 11TH HOUSE FROM NATAL MOON, AND I HAVE 36 ASHTVARGA POINTS IN LIBRA. JUPITER HAS 6 ASHTAVARGA POINTS IN LIBRA. LIBRA IS 8TH FROM LAGNA. I WILL LET YOU KNOW IF I GET INHERITANCE, LOTTERY IN NEXT 12 MONTHS. SATURN IS IN A VEDA POSITION TO JUPITER MAY CREATE OBSTRUCTION FOR JUPITER AS I AM SAGGITARIUS ASCENDANT. I AM GOING TO TEST IF THIS VEDA TECHNIQUE REALLY WORKS OR IT IS JUST ANOTHER TECHNIQUE IN BOOKS. > > > All the best, > > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 11:59 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > I know it is difficult, but I know my chart so well because I studied > my chart with more than 100 astrologers all over world. I do not have > any guru. Every astrologer is different, knows some good stuff. I > spent few months with each one of them and learnt their techniques. > The reason I did not have health problems is that > > 1. The 6th 8th and 12th houses are empty. > > 2. I have jupiter, mercury ketu in mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd > and 9th house. > > 3. Saturn Venus, Sun are in moon's nakshatra the ruler of 5th house > and placed in 10th house. > > 4. Only Mars gave me sickness few times because it is placed placed > in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. > > 5. I was sick few times in sun mahadasha because sun rules 6th house. > > 6. The reason why Venus gave me good results is that Venus and Moon > are in each other's nakshatra. So it was good for love and money. > > You think Mars will give me money. I think you are wrong because Mars > is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. My Mars dasha gave me overrall > happiness but I was very poor in Mars mahadasha. > > You think Saturn is strong in my chart, again you are wrong. Saturn's > mooltrikona sign falls in 12th house and saturn is debilitated in > navamsa. So saturn will not give me wealth. Rather my saturn > mahadasha will be very difficult. > > Jupiter, Mercury and ketu are in Mars nakshsatra. These three planets > will activate exalted mars and 11th house in year 2009. I will be 47 > years old, it also represents ketu's year. Transit jupiter will be at > 25 degrees in capricorn, in second house from natal moon. > > I am surprised you do not use nakshatras and you are a professional > astrologer. > > If I say venus period was bad then you will say venus is combust. If > I say venus period was good then it becomes vipreet raj yoga. > > I would say rahu was the most difficult and challenging period in my > chart because rahu aspects all 7 planets in my chart. I survived rahu > mahdasha very gracefully. > I can show predictions given by very famous astrologers who have > written books had made big mistakes in analyszing my chart. > > I weigh 100 Kgs, 6' 1" tall and handsome looks. People many times say > why don't you go to bollywood and become actor in movies. > > > G. Singh > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > It is very difficult for an astrologer to > correctly analyse his own horoscope. Either the inferences are > totally negative or totally positive. > > > > You haven't had any health problems because till now you > have not undergone any of the combust planets' dashas. But, at this > age when the combust and debiliated lagna lord's dasha begins, you > should be careful. > > > > Rahu-venus gave you windfalls because venus being combust > has formed a viprit rajyoga. But, jupiter being combust cannot be > beneficial. Only, the jupiter-saturn dasha will give financial boost > which will be maintained during the dasha, but health will remain a > concern. > > > > I am a practising professional astrologer with more > practical knowledge than bookish one. I will give you one birth > detail to explain the negative effects of combust planets in their > dasha. > > > > 11-jul-1963 > > 11.15am > > Delhi > > India > > 28N39 77E13 > > > > This person, even during the sixth lord saturn's period, > had no serious health problems except hypertension. But as soon as > mercury dasha began, both the kidneys started malfunctioning and > today the person is surviving only on dialysis. Mercury is lagna lord > and in its on sign too but is combust. > > > > Astrology is not as simple as it seems. It is wiser to > accept the negative aspects of one's horoscope and do remedies for > them beforehand instead of denying them completely. > > > > I have tested and tried all methods in jyotish, including > astakvarga, nakshatra based analysis. I say whatever I have observed > in practice. Nothing bookish. You are still in Rahu dasha, and your > decisions and thinking are still under the influence of rahu. > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 10:54 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated chart, > even > > very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making predictions > for > > me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together > > combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th > house > > with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be > spending my > > time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to sun > so > > it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. > > > > But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like > 30. I > > have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time in > my > > life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers > learn > > from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs > > practical experience in astrology rather than bookish knowledge. > > Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even work > in > > real life. > > > > I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting for > a > > bigger windfall. > > You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine how > the > > planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is > just > > wasting time in astrology field. > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > I have observed lots of people who were > born > > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some > of > > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all > > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all > the > > riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that > out of > > these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those > which > > are not combust have given them the good results. The combust > ones > > will also show their negative effects. > > > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are > combust > > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > > importance to the strength of planets according to their > placement in > > natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not > call > > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince > and a > > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a > common > > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When > Bill > > gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called > a > > beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house > is > > in > > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In > order > > to > > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I > have > > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu > mercury > > will > > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. > This > > is > > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You > can > > ask > > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two > are > > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > > Jupiter- > > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > Rohini > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > told > > by > > > many > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > wealth. I > > > myself > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > 11th > > > house. > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > Dhanistha > > in > > > Mars > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > promised > > > by > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth > could > > come > > > when > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > period > > > or > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > couple > > of > > > days > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon > in > > 11th > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > Mercury > > > in > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of > 5th > > house > > > and > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > Jupiter, > > and > > > Mars > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will > play > > > important > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > nakshatra, > > > and > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for > my > > > chart. I > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > memebers. > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > contain > > > doshas?"is > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > doshas.May > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > considerd > > > as > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > teaches > > what > > > we > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > > than > > > get > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > vicous > > > cycle of > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result > will be > > > that we > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment > of > > > Moksha > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > something > > lost > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > > (2nd,6th > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham > and > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > > artha > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > baiscs of > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > > shape > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > vairagya.Then > > we > > > need > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain > is > > > kama),one > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > > time to > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > furthering > > > his > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > cycles of > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > perspective > > of > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > attachments > > > and > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in > the > > > manner > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > decrimination > > > to > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses > too > > may > > > be > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > > poorva > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing > of > > the > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance > of > > > various > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > Astrology,the > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life > and > > > enable > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life > is > > moksha > > > but > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > meant > > for > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > serving > > to > > > the > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > human > > > beings > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > promote > > > what > > > > the native intends. > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > native > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > ealisation > > > and > > > > correct path. > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed > to > > the > > > same > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. > and > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > being > > bad > > > makes > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, > each > > of > > > > which > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > SELF > > > where > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > > position > > > > too. > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > charity > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > > most > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking > for > > > > astrology > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > > stance. > > > In > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > merely > > > mentioning > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > half > > and > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > fertile > > > and > > > > so > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > remedies, > > some > > > of > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared > for > > and > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > recent > > > > addition > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and > will > > > never > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > > wretched > > > > soul > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one > who > > will > > > seek > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to > the > > > > spiritual > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > <jr_esq> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar > I've > > > attended > > > > in > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > Doshas > > (or > > > > three > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house > of > > > desires, > > > > > and > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > > have > > > the > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > > through > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > (Crystal > > > Pages)" > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > individuals > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > > plane > > > that > > > > is. > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > realm > > and > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > *spiritual* > > > > growth > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > astrology > > is > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > > jobs, > > > > money, > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit > of > > > dharma > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > yogas > > and > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > remedies > > and > > > > ishta > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to > some > > > extent > > > > I > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > efficiently > > > for > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly > and > > > perhaps > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > > really > > > > worked > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > spiritual > > > mileage > > > > > out > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > > etc.? > > > Being > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > explain > > > the > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > shlokas > > (e.g., > > > 24- > > > > > 31) > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > edition). I > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that > with > > their > > > > > female > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > distorted > > > version > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance > to > > the > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much > of > > what > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible > but it > > is > > > wise > > > > > to > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > > worldly > > > > > things, > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) > has > > > very > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > <sorry > > here > > > I > > > > go > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > going > > to > > > get > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > lucky -- > > > with > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take > the > > time > > > and > > > > > pick > > > > > > a > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > databases > > of > > > good > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > instance) > > from > > > > > > different > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle - - > and > > see > > > how > > > > the > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > dashas, > > > transits, > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to > work > > out > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > in > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write > or > > > someone > > > > else > > > > > > for > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > works > > > great! > > > > If > > > > > > it > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! > And > > if > > > doubt > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > motivate > > to > > > move > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, > and > > you > > > may > > > > > even > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > describes, > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since > it > > > describes > > > > > real > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > initial > > query > > > was > > > > a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > Eleventh > > > House > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of > any > > > planet, > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > inauspicious > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > spiritual > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > other.. > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > RELISH > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free > vedic > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- ---- > ---- > > ---- > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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