--- Previous birth Curses - resend (ignore previous two messages)

[Guest guest]

Hmmm.. seems like something doesn't like this message. Here's one

more try at the complete message:

 

|| Om Krsna Guru ||

 

Dear Tarun, Namaskar

 

Please just call me Samir. Let's reserve "ji" for those who deserve

it - people like the SJC gurus .

 

Many of the classics talk of various combinations and their effects,

but every chart is unique and therefore we have to extend the

reasoning enumerated in these texts in our predictions.

 

Moon-Saturn combination will give different results depending on

which house it occurs in, the sign, and also the planets aspecting.

Without the influence of benefics, it can cause clinical depression.

Generally a somewhat negative mindset. However it depends on the

individual case.

 

Rahu-Mars conjunction is known as Vijaya yoga. In Lagna it will

produce a person who will stop at nothing to achieve their goals, and

generally incur great sin in the process. But in the 4th house it

can mean that you get cheated a lot. So once again it depends on

house placement.

 

It depends entirely on which planets are in the 12th, and what houses

they lord, to determine their effects. Lagnesh in the 12th isn't

good, but bhadakesh in the 12th is a blessing.

 

So you see talking about combinations in isolation doesn't really

help us. Perhaps if you shared your birth details list members could

share their thoughts.

 

I am a beginner in Jyotish, so I may have some errors in my

understanding. I hope I will be corrected where I am wrong.

 

Best wishes,

 

Samir

 

 

 

"Tarun" <lovable_sue

Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:48 am

Re: --- Previous birth Curses( Samir ji)

 

 

Dear Samir ji, namaste,

 

Thanks for replying my mail..

 

is there any literature available which can tell us the thing ..

 

as i have sun-mercury , and saturn-moon, and rahu-mangal.combination.

 

sir do the placement of planets in 12th house also tell us the same

thing, i mean curses.

 

Thanks and regards

 

Tarun,,,

[Guest guest]

Om Namo Bhagawate

Vasudevay

Dear Samir,

Namaste.

Curses are indicated by Rahu, Sun-

Sat, Sat-Moon, Sat-Ven etc.

Rahu in

2, 4, 7 from Asc or Moon and Sat in 12, 7

or conj with planets shows curses of

different

intensity. E.G.: Sat in 7th

from Ven shows curse from wife in

previous births; Sun-Sat show curse

of father. Just a hint.

Om Shri

Krishnarpanamastu.

Radhekrishna!

HM

 

 

--- In

,

"ray_of_solaris" <a48919062>

wrote:

>

> Hmmm.. seems like

something doesn't like this message.

Here's one

> more try at the

complete message:

>

> || Om Krsna

Guru ||

>

> Dear Tarun,

Namaskar

>

> Please just call me

Samir. Let's reserve "ji" for those

who deserve

> it - people like the SJC

gurus .

>

> Many of the classics

talk of various combinations and

their effects,

> but every chart is

unique and therefore we have to

extend the

> reasoning

enumerated in these texts in our

predictions.

>

> Moon-Saturn

combination will give different

results depending on

> which house

it occurs in, the sign, and also the

planets aspecting.

> Without the

influence of benefics, it can cause

clinical depression.

> Generally a

somewhat negative mindset.

However it depends on the

>

individual case.

>

> Rahu-Mars

conjunction is known as Vijaya yoga.

In Lagna it will

> produce a person

who will stop at nothing to achieve

their goals, and

> generally incur

great sin in the process. But in the 4th

house it

> can mean that you get

cheated a lot. So once again it

depends on

> house placement.

>

 

> It depends entirely on which

planets are in the 12th, and what

houses

> they lord, to determine

their effects. Lagnesh in the 12th

isn't

> good, but bhadakesh in the

12th is a blessing.

>

> So you see

talking about combinations in

isolation doesn't really

> help us.

Perhaps if you shared your birth

details list members could

> share

their thoughts.

>

> I am a beginner

in Jyotish, so I may have some errors

in my

> understanding. I hope I will be

corrected where I am wrong.

>

>

Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

>

>

>

"Tarun" <lovable_sue@>

>

Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:48 am

>

Re: --- Previous birth Curses(

Samir ji)

>

>

> Dear Samir ji,

namaste,

>

> Thanks for replying

my mail..

>

> is there any literature

available which can tell us the thing

...

>

> as i have sun-mercury , and

saturn-moon, and rahu-

mangal.combination.

>

> sir do the

placement of planets in 12th house

also tell us the same

> thing, i mean

curses.

>

> Thanks and regards

>

 

> Tarun,,,

[Guest guest]

|| Om Krsna Guru ||

Dear Himanshu, Namaskar,

Your comments confirm what I was saying - that talking about isolated

combinations (without house, sign etc), doesn't tell us very

much.

My understanding is that we cannot simply say that Moon+Saturn is a curse

of the mother. There needs to be something more to support

this. So, either another malefic must be

conjoined/aspecting, or the Moon has to be weak (debilitated,

enemy sign etc.), or the Lagnesh or 4th house lord has to be

afflicted, or the dispositor of the Moon should be

weak/afflicted. This is what Sanjayji says in VRA. The

Navamsa placements of these planets will also tell us a lot.

Take the example of Brahma yoga. Jupiter + Saturn causes

this. But I don't believe it causes the curse of a Brahmin!

For that, Mars must be involved, or Jupiter/ his dispositor must be

weak/afflicted. Or Rahu can cause this curse.

So for curse of wife, it is not enough to say that all that is required

is Venus + Saturn. The 7th house should also be affected somehow,

or Venus/it's dispositor should be weak.

Regarding Sun/Saturn or Moon/Saturn combinations, this causes the curse

of paternal (Sun) or Maternal (Moon) ancestor. This is different

from the curse of a parent in the previous birth, which can also be

caused by this combination (with other factors contributing).

This is my understanding, it may be flawed, so I'm open to

correction.

Best wishes,

Samir

At 23:35 16/04/2005, you wrote:

______________________

Message: 21

Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:34:51 -0000

"Himanshu Mohan"

<himanshu_mohan >

Re: --- Previous birth Curses - resend (ignore previous two

messages)

Om Namo Bhagawate

Vasudevay

Dear Samir,

Namaste.

Curses are indicated by Rahu, Sun-

Sat, Sat-Moon, Sat-Ven etc.

Rahu in

2, 4, 7 from Asc or Moon and Sat in 12, 7

or conj with planets shows curses of

different

intensity. E.G.: Sat in 7th

from Ven shows curse from wife in

previous births; Sun-Sat show curse

of father. Just a hint.

Om Shri

Krishnarpanamastu.

Radhekrishna!

HM

[Guest guest]

Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay

Dear Samir,

Namaste.

We have been talking the same wavelength. Only difference is that you

gave the principles as per understanding, while I gave some specific

examples. I could not give further details regarding intensity of

these combinations indicating curses (I am not giving details even

now, being busy; I shall be sending these later), but one thing I

would like to add that Sat in 12th from Sun and Sat opposite Venus do

not require further afflictions, they are curses in themselves potent

enough. Further afflictions only worsen the case.

 

Rahu has a apecial place in maleficsc and it can be easily understood

as curse indicator, since it shows the links to previous (through

Ketu) and future Karma. Rahu/Ketu are also called accummulating /

incoming Karma controller.

 

Similarly Saturn is also known to be the significator for making one

reap / learn lessons according to his previous birth Karma and is

therefore considered to signify celestial justice.

 

It is for this reason I mentioned Saturn and Rahu in particular.

However, the theory discussed by you is prefectly in place, as

already agreed.

 

Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu.

Radhekrishna!

Himanshu Mohan

 

 

 

, Samir Shah <a48919062>

wrote:

> || Om Krsna Guru ||

>

> Dear Himanshu, Namaskar,

>

> Your comments confirm what I was saying - that talking about

isolated

> combinations (without house, sign etc), doesn't tell us very much.

>

> My understanding is that we cannot simply say that Moon+Saturn is a

curse

> of the mother. There needs to be something more to support this.

So,

> either another malefic must be conjoined/aspecting, or the Moon has

to be

> weak (debilitated, enemy sign etc.), or the Lagnesh or 4th house

lord has

> to be afflicted, or the dispositor of the Moon should be

> weak/afflicted. This is what Sanjayji says in VRA. The Navamsa

placements

> of these planets will also tell us a lot.

>

> Take the example of Brahma yoga. Jupiter + Saturn causes this.

But I

> don't believe it causes the curse of a Brahmin! For that, Mars

must be

> involved, or Jupiter/ his dispositor must be weak/afflicted. Or

Rahu can

> cause this curse.

>

> So for curse of wife, it is not enough to say that all that is

required is

> Venus + Saturn. The 7th house should also be affected somehow, or

> Venus/it's dispositor should be weak.

>

> Regarding Sun/Saturn or Moon/Saturn combinations, this causes the

curse of

> paternal (Sun) or Maternal (Moon) ancestor. This is different from

the

> curse of a parent in the previous birth, which can also be caused

by this

> combination (with other factors contributing).

>

> This is my understanding, it may be flawed, so I'm open to

correction.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

>

>

>

> At 23:35 16/04/2005, you wrote:

>

>___________________

___

> >

> >Message: 21

> > Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:34:51 -0000

> > "Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu_mohan>

> >Re: --- Previous birth Curses - resend (ignore previous

two messages)

> >

> >

> >Om Namo Bhagawate

> >Vasudevay

> >Dear Samir,

> >Namaste.

> >Curses are indicated by Rahu, Sun-

> >Sat, Sat-Moon, Sat-Ven etc.

> >Rahu in

> >2, 4, 7 from Asc or Moon and Sat in 12, 7

> >or conj with planets shows curses of

> >different

> >intensity. E.G.: Sat in 7th

> >from Ven shows curse from wife in

> >previous births; Sun-Sat show curse

> >of father. Just a hint.

> >Om Shri

> >Krishnarpanamastu.

> >Radhekrishna!

> >HM

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krsna

 

Dear Samir,

 

Im sure you will join me in urging Visti to enlighten the list with

an article on curses and moola dasa.

 

I for one also eagerly await his book.

 

With best wishes

 

Kasim

 

 

, Samir Shah <a48919062>

wrote:

> || Om Krsna Guru ||

>

> Dear Himanshu, Namaskar,

>

> Your comments confirm what I was saying - that talking about

isolated

> combinations (without house, sign etc), doesn't tell us very much.

>

> My understanding is that we cannot simply say that Moon+Saturn is

a curse

> of the mother. There needs to be something more to support this.

So,

> either another malefic must be conjoined/aspecting, or the Moon

has to be

> weak (debilitated, enemy sign etc.), or the Lagnesh or 4th house

lord has

> to be afflicted, or the dispositor of the Moon should be

> weak/afflicted. This is what Sanjayji says in VRA. The Navamsa

placements

> of these planets will also tell us a lot.

>

> Take the example of Brahma yoga. Jupiter + Saturn causes this.

But I

> don't believe it causes the curse of a Brahmin! For that, Mars

must be

> involved, or Jupiter/ his dispositor must be weak/afflicted. Or

Rahu can

> cause this curse.

>

> So for curse of wife, it is not enough to say that all that is

required is

> Venus + Saturn. The 7th house should also be affected somehow, or

> Venus/it's dispositor should be weak.

>

> Regarding Sun/Saturn or Moon/Saturn combinations, this causes the

curse of

> paternal (Sun) or Maternal (Moon) ancestor. This is different

from the

> curse of a parent in the previous birth, which can also be caused

by this

> combination (with other factors contributing).

>

> This is my understanding, it may be flawed, so I'm open to

correction.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

>

>

>

> At 23:35 16/04/2005, you wrote:

>

>__________________

____

> >

> >Message: 21

> > Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:34:51 -0000

> > "Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu_mohan>

> >Re: --- Previous birth Curses - resend (ignore previous

two messages)

> >

> >

> >Om Namo Bhagawate

> >Vasudevay

> >Dear Samir,

> >Namaste.

> >Curses are indicated by Rahu, Sun-

> >Sat, Sat-Moon, Sat-Ven etc.

> >Rahu in

> >2, 4, 7 from Asc or Moon and Sat in 12, 7

> >or conj with planets shows curses of

> >different

> >intensity. E.G.: Sat in 7th

> >from Ven shows curse from wife in

> >previous births; Sun-Sat show curse

> >of father. Just a hint.

> >Om Shri

> >Krishnarpanamastu.

> >Radhekrishna!

> >HM

[Guest guest]

||Om Krsna Guru||

 

Dear Himanshu, Namaskar

 

I like this kind of exchange. I think it is beneficial to all of us

to share our understanding and thereby refine it.

 

Many thanks,

 

Samir

 

 

 

, "Himanshu Mohan"

<himanshu_mohan> wrote:

>

> Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay

> Dear Samir,

> Namaste.

> We have been talking the same wavelength. Only difference is that

you

> gave the principles as per understanding, while I gave some

specific

> examples. I could not give further details regarding intensity of

> these combinations indicating curses (I am not giving details even

> now, being busy; I shall be sending these later), but one thing I

> would like to add that Sat in 12th from Sun and Sat opposite Venus

do

> not require further afflictions, they are curses in themselves

potent

> enough. Further afflictions only worsen the case.

>

> Rahu has a apecial place in maleficsc and it can be easily

understood

> as curse indicator, since it shows the links to previous (through

> Ketu) and future Karma. Rahu/Ketu are also called accummulating /

> incoming Karma controller.

>

> Similarly Saturn is also known to be the significator for making

one

> reap / learn lessons according to his previous birth Karma and is

> therefore considered to signify celestial justice.

>

> It is for this reason I mentioned Saturn and Rahu in particular.

> However, the theory discussed by you is prefectly in place, as

> already agreed.

>

> Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu.

> Radhekrishna!

> Himanshu Mohan

>

>

>

> , Samir Shah <a48919062>

> wrote:

> > || Om Krsna Guru ||

> >

> > Dear Himanshu, Namaskar,

> >

> > Your comments confirm what I was saying - that talking about

> isolated

> > combinations (without house, sign etc), doesn't tell us very much.

> >

> > My understanding is that we cannot simply say that Moon+Saturn is

a

> curse

> > of the mother. There needs to be something more to support

this.

> So,

> > either another malefic must be conjoined/aspecting, or the Moon

has

> to be

> > weak (debilitated, enemy sign etc.), or the Lagnesh or 4th house

> lord has

> > to be afflicted, or the dispositor of the Moon should be

> > weak/afflicted. This is what Sanjayji says in VRA. The Navamsa

> placements

> > of these planets will also tell us a lot.

> >

> > Take the example of Brahma yoga. Jupiter + Saturn causes this.

> But I

> > don't believe it causes the curse of a Brahmin! For that, Mars

> must be

> > involved, or Jupiter/ his dispositor must be weak/afflicted. Or

> Rahu can

> > cause this curse.

> >

> > So for curse of wife, it is not enough to say that all that is

> required is

> > Venus + Saturn. The 7th house should also be affected somehow,

or

> > Venus/it's dispositor should be weak.

> >

> > Regarding Sun/Saturn or Moon/Saturn combinations, this causes the

> curse of

> > paternal (Sun) or Maternal (Moon) ancestor. This is different

from

> the

> > curse of a parent in the previous birth, which can also be caused

> by this

> > combination (with other factors contributing).

> >

> > This is my understanding, it may be flawed, so I'm open to

> correction.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Samir

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > At 23:35 16/04/2005, you wrote:

> >

>

>___________________

> ___

> > >

> > >Message: 21

> > > Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:34:51 -0000

> > > "Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu_mohan>

> > >Re: --- Previous birth Curses - resend (ignore previous

> two messages)

> > >

> > >

> > >Om Namo Bhagawate

> > >Vasudevay

> > >Dear Samir,

> > >Namaste.

> > >Curses are indicated by Rahu, Sun-

> > >Sat, Sat-Moon, Sat-Ven etc.

> > >Rahu in

> > >2, 4, 7 from Asc or Moon and Sat in 12, 7

> > >or conj with planets shows curses of

> > >different

> > >intensity. E.G.: Sat in 7th

> > >from Ven shows curse from wife in

> > >previous births; Sun-Sat show curse

> > >of father. Just a hint.

> > >Om Shri

> > >Krishnarpanamastu.

> > >Radhekrishna!

> > >HM

[Guest guest]

I have Leo rising and its 2nd house is occupied by Jup and Mars. These two

planets are aspected by Sat from 12th house and fifth aspect of Rahu from 10th

house Taurus. It means 1. Jup is posited in an enemy house and Mars who is

badhakesh also, conjoined. 2.Saturn + Rahu afflicting the Jup by aspect.

It means I am suffering from a curse given by Brahmin or I might have mutiliated

the idol kept in a temple in my previous birth. Which one is correct ? Or both

are correct. If it is so, what is the remedies ?.

Thanks and warm regards.

Ramesh Mishraray_of_solaris <a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

||Om Krsna Guru||Dear Himanshu, NamaskarI like this kind of exchange. I think

it is beneficial to all of us to share our understanding and thereby refine

it.Many thanks,Samir, "Himanshu Mohan"

<himanshu_mohan> wrote:> > Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay> Dear Samir,>

Namaste.> We have been talking the same wavelength. Only difference is that you

> gave the principles as per understanding, while I gave some specific >

examples. I could not give further details regarding intensity of > these

combinations indicating curses (I am not giving details even > now, being busy;

I shall be sending these later), but one thing I > would like to add that Sat in

12th from Sun and Sat opposite Venus do >

not require further afflictions, they are curses in themselves potent > enough.

Further afflictions only worsen the case.> > Rahu has a apecial place in

maleficsc and it can be easily understood > as curse indicator, since it shows

the links to previous (through > Ketu) and future Karma. Rahu/Ketu are also

called accummulating / > incoming Karma controller.> > Similarly Saturn is also

known to be the significator for making one > reap / learn lessons according to

his previous birth Karma and is > therefore considered to signify celestial

justice.> > It is for this reason I mentioned Saturn and Rahu in particular.>

However, the theory discussed by you is prefectly in place, as > already

agreed.> > Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu.> Radhekrishna!> Himanshu Mohan> > > > ---

In , Samir Shah

<a48919062> > wrote:> > || Om Krsna Guru ||> > > > Dear Himanshu,

Namaskar,> > > > Your comments confirm what I was saying - that talking about >

isolated > > combinations (without house, sign etc), doesn't tell us very much.>

> > > My understanding is that we cannot simply say that Moon+Saturn is a >

curse > > of the mother. There needs to be something more to support this. >

So, > > either another malefic must be conjoined/aspecting, or the Moon has >

to be > > weak (debilitated, enemy sign etc.), or the Lagnesh or 4th house >

lord has > > to be afflicted, or the dispositor of the Moon should be > >

weak/afflicted. This is what Sanjayji says in VRA. The Navamsa > placements >

> of these planets will also tell us a lot.> > > >

Take the example of Brahma yoga. Jupiter + Saturn causes this. > But I > >

don't believe it causes the curse of a Brahmin! For that, Mars > must be > >

involved, or Jupiter/ his dispositor must be weak/afflicted. Or > Rahu can > >

cause this curse.> > > > So for curse of wife, it is not enough to say that all

that is > required is > > Venus + Saturn. The 7th house should also be

affected somehow, or > > Venus/it's dispositor should be weak.> > > > Regarding

Sun/Saturn or Moon/Saturn combinations, this causes the > curse of > > paternal

(Sun) or Maternal (Moon) ancestor. This is different from > the > > curse of a

parent in the previous birth, which can also be caused > by this > > combination

(with other factors contributing).> > > > This is my

understanding, it may be flawed, so I'm open to > correction.> > > > Best

wishes,> > > > Samir> > > > > > > > > > At 23:35 16/04/2005, you wrote:> > >

>___________________> ___> >

>> > >Message: 21> > > Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:34:51 -0000> > >

"Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu_mohan>> > >Re: --- Previous birth

Curses - resend (ignore previous > two messages)> > >> > >> > >Om Namo

Bhagawate> > >Vasudevay> > >Dear Samir,> > >Namaste.> > >Curses are indicated

by Rahu, Sun-> > >Sat, Sat-Moon, Sat-Ven etc.> > >Rahu in> > >2, 4, 7 from Asc

or Moon and Sat in

12, 7> > >or conj with planets shows curses of> > >different> > >intensity.

E.G.: Sat in 7th> > >from Ven shows curse from wife in> > >previous births;

Sun-Sat show curse> > >of father. Just a hint.> > >Om Shri> >

>Krishnarpanamastu.> > >Radhekrishna!> > >HM~ om tat sat ~Thank you for

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|| Om Krsna Guru ||

Dear Kasim, Namaskar

Most certainly! But, in the meantime, I believe that the best use

of our time is to master the basics that have already been expounded by

Sanjayji and the SJC gurus. I'm realising that without proper

grounding, it can be quite fruitless to venture into some of the deeper

aspects.

Warm regards,

Samir

"Kasim" <kasim_c

Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:30 pm

Re: --- Previous birth Curses - resend (ignore previous

two messages)

Hare Rama Krsna

Dear Samir,

Im sure you will join me in urging Visti to enlighten the list with

an article on curses and moola dasa.

I for one also eagerly await his book.

With best wishes

Kasim