Moksha

January 2, 2005

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">|| Jaya Jagannath ||

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Karu,

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">AK is the primary ruler of a person and

his horoscope and that’s why it is called the King of the horoscope. Now the

person is not only described by the Lagna but also the Atkamaraka

too. It is however important to note that whatever negative the AK shows, the

person has to suffer and the premise that the person suffers only when the

person does not follow the directives of the AK.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The bottom-line is that many Mars AK people

do display a lot of Martial trait. However, more they show Martian trait, more

would they suffer.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Best Wishes

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Sarajit

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Karu

[heen (AT) netspace (DOT) net.au]

Sunday, January 02, 2005

7:57 PM

Re: [Om Krishna

Guru] Moksha

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OM NAMO

NARAYANAYA

font-family:Arial">Dear Sarajit, Namaskar

font-family:Arial">In my AK Mars Vimsottari Dasa, I experianced so much

unknown anger of my mates and reasons were unknown.. Even now, I am

dealing very carefully as some how I fail at most of the time. Later

I found the answer. Surrender to AK !

font-family:Arial">My AK is in Virgo in D9, but I am not cool. Still learning.

font-family:Arial">I think our attitudes towards our experience has nothing to

do with AK, But Moon who experience all these problems. I was thinking about

this, when I see your mail. That is why I asked it.

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font-family:Arial">BTW 13 members were attended today , and most have presented

their papers and mailed to me the whole lot. If I find good works, I will let

you know.

font-family:Arial">Thanks

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Sarajit

Poddar

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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Sunday, January

02, 2005 8:59 PM

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Karu, Namaskar,

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Never knew that my statement could be

interpreted like that. I just had a good laugh…

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color:navy">. I meant that by nature I am a cool person and not an aggressive

sort.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Best Wishes

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Karu

[heen (AT) netspace (DOT) net.au]

Sunday, January 02, 2005

3:03 PM

Re: [Om Krishna

Guru] Moksha

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OM NAMO

NARAYANAYA

font-family:Arial">Dear Sarajit,

font-family:Arial">You mean your Atma is cool ? Or your attitude towards

experience of Atma is cool ?

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Poddar

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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Sunday, January

02, 2005 12:36 AM

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Visti, Namaskar,

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I have not only Mars as AK, but Mars

happens to be in Scorpio Navamsa. So I would be having Mars again as my AK.

What I understand is that Mars in Scorpio can give me troubles from creatures

ruled by Scorpio or from some other Scorpio significations. But from my side, I

am as cool as ice water… no one can say I have Mars as AK

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Regards

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[visti (AT) (DOT) org]

Friday, December 31, 2004

4:35 AM

RE: [Om Krishna

Guru] Moksha

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||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Maja, Namaskar

Simply brilliant! You got it!

If Mars is AK then you beat everyone up and

could not control your temper… maybe your karakamsa was in Scorpio or

Aries in the past life. So in this life Mars will punish you and make everyone

angry with you until you one day learn to give in and stop fighting.

Point is that what about the AK in your

next life? This will be indicated by the karakamsa sign… I have Cancer as

the sign, so if I don’t watch out I may be reborn with Moon as AK? This

is why Jaimini and Paraçara where not concerned about the AK-planets

indications but only the Ak-signs.

Best wishes,

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[vakelim ]

30 December 2004 21:29

Re: [Om Krishna

Guru] Moksha

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Dear Guru Visti,

Exuse my interupt in conversation,just I have one

question on

subject you mentioned:

> [Visti] the karakamsa sign will show how you

tend to affect others

in this

> birth. If you do something wrong you will

suffer from this in a

next birth.

> So the sign shows the actions you do in this

birth whilst the

planet shows

> what you did in the last.

>

-while reading some other explainings on role of

AK,I understood it

usualy being conected in sense-"what one

should do,must to" in order

to keep on right direction in this life.

But does this always come like one took something

of wrong way on

graha indicating AK before? for example

-Ma-ahimsa now,but does it mean violent before,Me-

must be

truthful,but did oposit before?

or how else to understand that :> what you did

in the last

Regards

Maja

~ om tat sat

~

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Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

12.0pt">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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January 2, 2005

What are the directives of AK of different planets. In my horoscope Jup is AK

and vargottam too.At present MD of Jup is running. Will you mind to tell me

about the directives?

Regards.

Ramesh MishraSarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Karu,

AK is the primary ruler of a person and his horoscope and that’s why it is

called the King of the horoscope. Now the person is not only described by the

Lagna but also the Atkamaraka too. It is however important to note that

whatever negative the AK shows, the person has to suffer and the premise that

the person suffers only when the person does not follow the directives of the

AK.

The bottom-line is that many Mars AK people do display a lot of Martial trait.

However, more they show Martian trait, more would they suffer.

Best Wishes

Sarajit

Karu [heen (AT) netspace (DOT) net.au] Sunday, January 02, 2005 7:57

PMSubject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha

OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

Dear Sarajit, Namaskar

In my AK Mars Vimsottari Dasa, I experianced so much unknown anger of my mates

and reasons were unknown.. Even now, I am dealing very carefully as some how I

fail at most of the time. Later I found the answer. Surrender to AK !

My AK is in Virgo in D9, but I am not cool. Still learning.

I think our attitudes towards our experience has nothing to do with AK, But Moon

who experience all these problems. I was thinking about this, when I see your

mail. That is why I asked it.

BTW 13 members were attended today , and most have presented their papers and

mailed to me the whole lot. If I find good works, I will let you know.

Thanks

Karu

-

Sarajit Poddar

Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:59 PM

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha

|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Karu, Namaskar,

Never knew that my statement could be interpreted like that. I just had a good

laugh…J. I meant that by nature I am a cool person and not an aggressive sort.

Best Wishes

Sarajit

Karu [heen (AT) netspace (DOT) net.au] Sunday, January 02, 2005 3:03

PMSubject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha

OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

Dear Sarajit,

You mean your Atma is cool ? Or your attitude towards experience of Atma is cool ?

Karu

-

Sarajit Poddar

Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:36 AM

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha

|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Visti, Namaskar,

I have not only Mars as AK, but Mars happens to be in Scorpio Navamsa. So I

would be having Mars again as my AK. What I understand is that Mars in Scorpio

can give me troubles from creatures ruled by Scorpio or from some other Scorpio

significations. But from my side, I am as cool as ice water… no one can say I

have Mars as AK J.

Regards

Sarajit

Visti Larsen [visti (AT) (DOT) org] Friday, December 31,

2004 4:35 AMSubject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru]

Moksha

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Maja, Namaskar

Simply brilliant! You got it!

If Mars is AK then you beat everyone up and could not control your temper… maybe

your karakamsa was in Scorpio or Aries in the past life. So in this life Mars

will punish you and make everyone angry with you until you one day learn to

give in and stop fighting.

Point is that what about the AK in your next life? This will be indicated by the

karakamsa sign… I have Cancer as the sign, so if I don’t watch out I may be

reborn with Moon as AK? This is why Jaimini and Paraçara where not concerned

about the AK-planets indications but only the Ak-signs.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Maja [vakelim ] 30 December 2004 21:29To:

Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha

Dear Guru Visti,Exuse my interupt in conversation,just I have one question on

subject you mentioned: > [Visti] the karakamsa sign will show how you tend to

affect others in this> birth. If you do something wrong you will suffer from

this in a next birth.> So the sign shows the actions you do in this birth

whilst the planet shows> what you did in the last.> > -while reading some other

explainings on role of AK,I understood it usualy being conected in sense-"what

one should do,must to" in order to keep on right direction in this life.But

does this always come like one took something of wrong way on graha indicating

AK before? for example-Ma-ahimsa now,but does it mean violent before,Me- must

be truthful,but did oposit before?or how else to understand that :> what you

did in the lastRegards

New">Maja~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta

Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try

to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

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~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining

the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra

'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who

said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3)

Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

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January 3, 2005

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Ravish, Namaskar

If the Atma thinks its better to increase

efficiency by worshipping dark spirits or kidnapping people then surely this is

durgati. What can the Ishta do then– offcourse this is an extreme example

for illustration? Maybe this is why Sri Rama came down to take the Atma of Sri

Ravana.

Forget aspects – if planets are

there, they are the ones. If no planets, then see the lord and worship it as

the Mahavidya:

Sun – Sri Ucchiste Chandali/Matangi

Moon – Sri Bhubanesvari

Mars – Sri Mangala/Pingala/Hingula/Bagalamukhi

Mercury – Sri Tripura Sundari/Shodasi

Jupiter – Sri Tara/Ekajata

Venus – Sri Kamalatmika

Saturn – Sri Kali/Kalike/Parameshvari

Rahu – Sri Chinnamasta

Ketu – Sri Dhoomavati

.... Phew! What a list, almost breaking a

sweat.

Please do not begin such worship without

propper guidance from a Guru who has done these before. Also analyze your rasi chart

carefully keeping the planet in question under scrutiny. i.e. if the mahavidya

is the 8th lord in the 5th house in rasi –

definitely not worship it, as it will risk destroying ones mantras.

Best wishes,

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[smart_rapheal ]

02 January 2005 15:28

Re: [Om Krishna

Guru] Moksha

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Dear Vistiji,

Thank you for your comments and explainations.

Some other question has arose now,

" Yes, our Gati or direction is dependant on

the 4th house, where the

mother sits. The direction of the soul is seen

from the 4th from

karakamsa."

Ishta devatha is seen from 12th from Karkamsa.

Ishta devatha is the

deity who will lead us to moksha. So will not

praying to our istha

devatha lead us on the right path ? Or is it that

worshipping the

maha-vidya form of the planets present in or

influencing the 4th from

karkamsa will strengthen our path ?

Influence of Me, Ve & Ju on 4th from karkamsa,

so which deity should I

worship ?

Punya Chart:

------------

Ju® in 8th in the punya chart. So the death was

peaceful. But Mandi

& Gulika are in 4th, you say not good because

they aspect the 6th,

showing punishment ? But then the question would

arise, why punishment

for such a great soul ?

Warm Regards,

Ravish

, "Visti

Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Ravish, Namaskar

>

> Comments below.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> http://srigaruda.com

>

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

> _____

>

> Ravish [smart_rapheal]

> 31 December 2004 05:10

>

> Re: [Om Krishna

Guru] Moksha

>

> Dear Vistiji,

>

> "Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka

Bhavani" meaning only the mother can

> keep us on the right track ?

>

> [Visti] Yes, our Gati or direction is

dependant on the 4th house,

where the

> mother sits. The direction of the soul is

seen from the 4th from

karakamsa.

>

> In your chart too you have Venus in

4th(Libra) from your

Karkamsa(Cancer).

>

> [Visti] So my soul is moving on this path in

a very auspicious way,

and so

> whenever I worship Sri Kamalatmika, this path

becomes much much

stronger.

>

> So can we infer that influence of Ve, Mo

(& other benefics) on 4th

> from Karkamsa will help the native on the

right path ?

>

> [Visti] Yes definitely. Especially Venus and

Moon are good there, as

they

> get digbala, and the atma chooses that direction

in life.

>

> I have no planets in 4th from karkamsa, but

Me, Ve & Ju aspect it with

> rashi drishti. If 4th is such a influence

then if one has benefic

> influences on the 4th, one should pray to

such a diety for guidance on

> right path, correct ?

>

> [Visti] Also if they are malefic influences,

then that deity in the

form of

> a Mahavidya should be prayed to, to get over

the durgati.

>

> I did see the punya chart of Srila

Prabhupada, but mokshakaraka Ke is

> in Pisces in 5th from the ascendant Scorpio.

AK Sun though is in 12th.

> Please help me understand this chart.....

>

> [Visti] In a Punya chart, the presence of

Jupiter is very important, as

> anything that Jupiter aspects is like the

dristi of Bhagavan. In

this chart,

> the 7th house shows rebirth, the 6th shows

punishment and the 8th

shows some

> suffering. Planets in these places shows what

one must undergo.

>

> One strong Jupiter in Lagna in this chart can

forgive almost all

sins and

> give moksha. In this chart a Gajakesari Yoga

is there, showing his

immense

> bhakti towards Bhagavan Sri Krishna.

>

> This is because the lagna in this chart will

show the nature of

death, i.e.

> were your thoughts solely on God or what

happened? Do you see Gulika and

> Mandi there? This is not a good death, but

atleast peaceful (Jupiter).

>

> Vistiji, I was under the impression that even

ordinary mortals by

> their good deeds alone were capable of

attaining Moksha, hence was

> taking the example of my colleague's. I will

attempt the charts you

> have given & put forward the questions I

have....

>

> [Visti] Good deed will send you to Svarga

Loka, but may not give you

moksha.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Warm Regards,

> Ravish

>

> ,

"Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote:

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Ravish, Namaskar

> >

> > - Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka Bhavani -

> >

> > Comments below.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > http://srigaruda.com

> >

> > <visti@s...>

visti@s...

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Ravish [smart_rapheal]

> > 30 December 2004 09:22

> >

> > Re: [Om Krishna

Guru] Moksha

> >

> > Dear Vistiji,

> >

> > Thank you for clarifying. I was looking

into the chart of a great

> > personality, Srila Prabhupada. He had no

planets in 4th house in Rasi.

> > But Ketu, Moon, Sun & Mercury do

influence it by rashi drishti. So we

> > can say he was on a path to moksha. But

interestingly since Ra is his

> > AK (indicating high degree of spiritual

progress in life), Ke is not

> > in 12th from his AK in Navamsa (of

course it cannot be...). Instead it

> > is Sun, so what do we make of this ?

> >

> > [Visti] We have to analyze 4th from

karakamsa – not rasi chart!! We

> wanto

> > know the path of the soul. For Srila

Prabhupada, the 4th from

> karakamsa has

> > Venus – hence his ghati was blessed.

> >

> > I understand that we need to also see

the demise chart to be sure of

> > moksha, I do not have this, perhaps if

you could help me out with

> this...

> >

> > [Visti]

> >

> > His puñya chart is well known.

> >

> > Srila Prabhupada - Punya

> >

> > Natal

Chart

> >

November 14, 1977

> >

Time: 7:30:00 pm

> >

> > Time Zone:

5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> >

Place: 77 E 42' 00", 27 N

35' 00"

> >

>

Vrindavan, India'

> >

> > Another chart I considered was that of a

colleagues, who has a Sc

> > ascendant with Me AK placed in 2nd house

with Ve. 4th house Aquarius

> > has no planets but is under aspect from

Ketu (from Aries)with rashi

> > drishti & retrograde Sa from Cancer.

In her Navamsa she has Me placed

> > in Sg navamsa, with Ketu placed in

Scorpio. Can we consider that she

> > is on the path to moksha ?

> >

> > [Visti] Even those who become sadhus do

not all get moksha, what to

> talk of

> > people in your office???

> >

> > Instead here are some charts you can

look at.

> >

> > Aurobindo Ghosh

> >

August 15, 1872

> >

Time: 5:08:00 am

> >

> > Time Zone:

5:53:00 (East of GMT)

> >

> > Place:

88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00"

> >

> > Sri Lahiri Mahasya

> >

September 30, 1828

> >

Time: 9:01:00 am

> >

> > Time Zone:

5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> >

Place: 87 E 05' 00", 26 N

28' 00"

> >

India,

1

> >

> > Sri Achyuta Dasa

> >

January 30, 1510

> >

Time: 9:58:38 pm

> >

> > Time Zone:

5:43:20 (East of GMT)

> >

Place: 85 E 50' 00", 20 N

30' 00"

> >

>

Cuttack, India

> >

> > Paramahamsa Yogananda

> >

January 5, 1893

> >

Time: 8:58:20 pm

> >

> > Time Zone:

5:30:44 (East of GMT)

> >

Place: 75 E 41' 00", 29 N

27' 00"

> >

>

Gorakhpur, India

> >

> > Sankaracharya - Chandrasekhara

Saraswathi

> >

May 20, 1894

> >

Time: 1:26:00 pm

> >

> > Time Zone:

5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> >

Place: 79 E 32' 00", 11 N

57' 00"

> >

> > Sankaracharya - Jayendra Saraswati

> >

July 18, 1935

> >

Time: 7:00:00 pm

> >

> > Time Zone:

5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> >

Place: 79 E 26' 00", 10 N

42' 00"

> >

> > Ramana Maharishi

> >

December 30, 1879

> >

Time: 1:00:00 am

> >

> > Time Zone:

5:12:00 (East of GMT)

> >

Place: 78 E 07' 00", 9 N

56' 00"

> >

> > Ramakrishna Paramahansa

> >

February 18, 1836

> >

Time: 6:23:00 am

> >

> > Time Zone:

5:51:00 (East of GMT)

> >

Place: 87 E 44' 00", 22 N

53' 00"

> >

> > Sarada Ma

> >

December 22, 1853

> >

Time: 7:15:00 pm

> >

> > Time Zone:

5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> >

Place: 87 E 07' 00", 23 N

14' 00"

> >

> > Swami Vivekananda

> >

January 12, 1863

> >

Time: 6:33:00 am

> >

> > Time Zone:

5:53:00 (East of GMT)

> >

> > Place:

88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00"

> >

> > Details:-

> > Feb 5 1976

> > 1:00:00 AM IST

> > 80 E 17

> > 13 N 05

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> > Ravish

> >

> > ,

"Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar

> > >

> > > First let us be straight on one

thing – that which is getting moksha

> > from

> > > rebirth is the atma and not the

dhi. So the 12th from Lagna is the

> > moksha

> > > for dhi and this is attained every

night through sleeping, but this

> > does not

> > > liberate the atma.

> > >

> > > Having understood this, we know now

that all those combinations

> > related to

> > > moksha in the 12th from Lagna, must

be either:

> > >

> > > 1)

related to Ätmakäraka

> > >

> > > or

> > >

> > > 2)

related to the death chart, where the 12th from lagna shows

> > whether

> >

> > > we get moksha or not.

> > >

> > > Secondly when we talk of moksha,

the vedas agree that Vishnu is the

> > granter

> > > and the role of God in our life

must be seen from the navamsa, so

> we can

> > > only infer that moksha comes to the

12th from AK in D9.

> > >

> > > Now that this is settled, Parasara

and jaimini have given us some

> > > combinations to look for:

> > >

* Malefics in 12th from

karakamsa send one to an

> > inauspicious abode,

> > > whilst benefic ones send one to an

auspicious abode.

> > >

* Ketu in 12th from karakamsa

gives liberation.

> > >

* Malefics in the 4th house

deny moksha, as they give

> durgati or

> > > lead one on the wrong path, whilst

benefics will do the opposite.

> > >

* Ketu in 4th grants moksha.

> > >

> > > The two latter statements will

reveal whether the persons atma is on

> > a path

> > > conducive towards moksha. This is

where the Moon and Venus receive

> > digbala

> > > and will put one on the spiritual

path of liberation. You can check

> > this in

> > > the charts you see, but in all

cases… you need to see the chart of

> > demise to

> > > be sure.

> > >

> > > As for differences in types of

moksha. They say there are 4 types of

> > moksha

> > > depending on your level of

awareness – most likely the saints had a

> > higher

> > > level of awareness, but this is not

something I have learnt to

> > measure yet.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > http://srigaruda.com

> > >

> > > <visti@s...>

visti@s...

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > Ravish

[smart_rapheal]

> > > 29 December 2004 14:48

> > >

> > > [Om Krishna

Guru] Moksha

> > >

> > > Dear Vistiji & All,

> > >

> > > Few of the charts we see, show

indications of moksha from the

re-birth

> > > cycle. Some of the indications are

possibly,

> > >

> > > A) Ketu in watery sign, in 12th

from the lagna

> > >

> > > B) Ketu in 12th from AK in Navamsa.

> > >

> > > Please correct me if I have got the

above combinations incorrect or

> > > missed out on some additional

combinations.

> > >

> > > My question here however is:

> > >

> > > These people may lead a very normal

life & may possibly sin or

not in

> > > this life, so is mokhsa assured ?

But if a sin has been

committed then

> > > moksha should ideally not

happen....

> > >

> > > What is the difference between this

moksha & the ones like what the

> > > great saints attained ?

> > >

> > > Warm Regards,

> > > Ravish

> > >

> > > ~ om tat sat ~

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January 3, 2005

Dear Vistiji,

Thank you for clarifying. It is little more clearer now....

One question remains from my previous mail, related to Srila

Prabhupada's punya chart:

Punya Chart:

------------

Ju® in 8th in the punya chart. So the death was peaceful. But Mandi

& Gulika are in 4th, you say not good because they aspect the 6th,

showing punishment ? But then the question would arise, why punishment

for such a great soul ?

Warm Regards,

Ravish

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Ravish, Namaskar

>

> If the Atma thinks its better to increase efficiency by worshipping dark

> spirits or kidnapping people then surely this is durgati. What can

the Ishta

> do then– offcourse this is an extreme example for illustration?

Maybe this

> is why Sri Rama came down to take the Atma of Sri Ravana.

>

> Forget aspects – if planets are there, they are the ones. If no planets,

> then see the lord and worship it as the Mahavidya:

>

> Sun – Sri Ucchiste Chandali/Matangi

>

> Moon – Sri Bhubanesvari

>

> Mars – Sri Mangala/Pingala/Hingula/Bagalamukhi

>

> Mercury – Sri Tripura Sundari/Shodasi

>

> Jupiter – Sri Tara/Ekajata

>

> Venus – Sri Kamalatmika

>

> Saturn – Sri Kali/Kalike/Parameshvari

>

> Rahu – Sri Chinnamasta

>

> Ketu – Sri Dhoomavati

>

> ... Phew! What a list, almost breaking a sweat.

>

> Please do not begin such worship without propper guidance from a

Guru who

> has done these before. Also analyze your rasi chart carefully

keeping the

> planet in question under scrutiny. i.e. if the mahavidya is the 8th

lord in

> the 5th house in rasi – definitely not worship it, as it will risk

> destroying ones mantras.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

> _____

>

> Ravish [smart_rapheal]

> 02 January 2005 15:28

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha

>

> Dear Vistiji,

>

> Thank you for your comments and explainations.

>

> Some other question has arose now,

>

> " Yes, our Gati or direction is dependant on the 4th house, where the

> mother sits. The direction of the soul is seen from the 4th from

> karakamsa."

>

> Ishta devatha is seen from 12th from Karkamsa. Ishta devatha is the

> deity who will lead us to moksha. So will not praying to our istha

> devatha lead us on the right path ? Or is it that worshipping the

> maha-vidya form of the planets present in or influencing the 4th from

> karkamsa will strengthen our path ?

>

> Influence of Me, Ve & Ju on 4th from karkamsa, so which deity should I

> worship ?

>

> Punya Chart:

> ------------

> Ju® in 8th in the punya chart. So the death was peaceful. But Mandi

> & Gulika are in 4th, you say not good because they aspect the 6th,

> showing punishment ? But then the question would arise, why punishment

> for such a great soul ?

>

> Warm Regards,

> Ravish

>

> , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote:

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Ravish, Namaskar

> >

> > Comments below.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > http://srigaruda.com

> >

> > <visti@s...> visti@s...

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Ravish [smart_rapheal]

> > 31 December 2004 05:10

> >

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha

> >

> > Dear Vistiji,

> >

> > "Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka Bhavani" meaning only the mother can

> > keep us on the right track ?

> >

> > [Visti] Yes, our Gati or direction is dependant on the 4th house,

> where the

> > mother sits. The direction of the soul is seen from the 4th from

> karakamsa.

> >

> > In your chart too you have Venus in 4th(Libra) from your

> Karkamsa(Cancer).

> >

> > [Visti] So my soul is moving on this path in a very auspicious way,

> and so

> > whenever I worship Sri Kamalatmika, this path becomes much much

> stronger.

> >

> > So can we infer that influence of Ve, Mo (& other benefics) on 4th

> > from Karkamsa will help the native on the right path ?

> >

> > [Visti] Yes definitely. Especially Venus and Moon are good there, as

> they

> > get digbala, and the atma chooses that direction in life.

> >

> > I have no planets in 4th from karkamsa, but Me, Ve & Ju aspect it with

> > rashi drishti. If 4th is such a influence then if one has benefic

> > influences on the 4th, one should pray to such a diety for guidance on

> > right path, correct ?

> >

> > [Visti] Also if they are malefic influences, then that deity in the

> form of

> > a Mahavidya should be prayed to, to get over the durgati.

> >

> > I did see the punya chart of Srila Prabhupada, but mokshakaraka Ke is

> > in Pisces in 5th from the ascendant Scorpio. AK Sun though is in 12th.

> > Please help me understand this chart.....

> >

> > [Visti] In a Punya chart, the presence of Jupiter is very

important, as

> > anything that Jupiter aspects is like the dristi of Bhagavan. In

> this chart,

> > the 7th house shows rebirth, the 6th shows punishment and the 8th

> shows some

> > suffering. Planets in these places shows what one must undergo.

> >

> > One strong Jupiter in Lagna in this chart can forgive almost all

> sins and

> > give moksha. In this chart a Gajakesari Yoga is there, showing his

> immense

> > bhakti towards Bhagavan Sri Krishna.

> >

> > This is because the lagna in this chart will show the nature of

> death, i.e.

> > were your thoughts solely on God or what happened? Do you see

Gulika and

> > Mandi there? This is not a good death, but atleast peaceful (Jupiter).

> >

> > Vistiji, I was under the impression that even ordinary mortals by

> > their good deeds alone were capable of attaining Moksha, hence was

> > taking the example of my colleague's. I will attempt the charts you

> > have given & put forward the questions I have....

> >

> > [Visti] Good deed will send you to Svarga Loka, but may not give you

> moksha.

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> > Ravish

> >

> > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar

> > >

> > > - Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka Bhavani -

> > >

> > > Comments below.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > http://srigaruda.com

> > >

> > > <visti@s...> visti@s...

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > Ravish [smart_rapheal]

> > > 30 December 2004 09:22

> > >

> > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha

> > >

> > > Dear Vistiji,

> > >

> > > Thank you for clarifying. I was looking into the chart of a great

> > > personality, Srila Prabhupada. He had no planets in 4th house in

Rasi.

> > > But Ketu, Moon, Sun & Mercury do influence it by rashi drishti.

So we

> > > can say he was on a path to moksha. But interestingly since Ra

is his

> > > AK (indicating high degree of spiritual progress in life), Ke is not

> > > in 12th from his AK in Navamsa (of course it cannot be...).

Instead it

> > > is Sun, so what do we make of this ?

> > >

> > > [Visti] We have to analyze 4th from karakamsa – not rasi chart!! We

> > wanto

> > > know the path of the soul. For Srila Prabhupada, the 4th from

> > karakamsa has

> > > Venus – hence his ghati was blessed.

> > >

> > > I understand that we need to also see the demise chart to be sure of

> > > moksha, I do not have this, perhaps if you could help me out with

> > this...

> > >

> > > [Visti]

> > >

> > > His puñya chart is well known.

> > >

> > > Srila Prabhupada - Punya

> > >

> > > Natal Chart

> > >

> > > November 14, 1977

> > >

> > > Time: 7:30:00 pm

> > >

> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > >

> > > Place: 77 E 42' 00", 27 N 35' 00"

> > >

> > > Vrindavan, India'

> > >

> > > Another chart I considered was that of a colleagues, who has a Sc

> > > ascendant with Me AK placed in 2nd house with Ve. 4th house Aquarius

> > > has no planets but is under aspect from Ketu (from Aries)with rashi

> > > drishti & retrograde Sa from Cancer. In her Navamsa she has Me

placed

> > > in Sg navamsa, with Ketu placed in Scorpio. Can we consider that she

> > > is on the path to moksha ?

> > >

> > > [Visti] Even those who become sadhus do not all get moksha, what to

> > talk of

> > > people in your office???

> > >

> > > Instead here are some charts you can look at.

> > >

> > > Aurobindo Ghosh

> > >

> > > August 15, 1872

> > >

> > > Time: 5:08:00 am

> > >

> > > Time Zone: 5:53:00 (East of GMT)

> > >

> > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00"

> > >

> > > Sri Lahiri Mahasya

> > >

> > > September 30, 1828

> > >

> > > Time: 9:01:00 am

> > >

> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > >

> > > Place: 87 E 05' 00", 26 N 28' 00"

> > >

> > > India, 1

> > >

> > > Sri Achyuta Dasa

> > >

> > > January 30, 1510

> > >

> > > Time: 9:58:38 pm

> > >

> > > Time Zone: 5:43:20 (East of GMT)

> > >

> > > Place: 85 E 50' 00", 20 N 30' 00"

> > >

> > > Cuttack, India

> > >

> > > Paramahamsa Yogananda

> > >

> > > January 5, 1893

> > >

> > > Time: 8:58:20 pm

> > >

> > > Time Zone: 5:30:44 (East of GMT)

> > >

> > > Place: 75 E 41' 00", 29 N 27' 00"

> > >

> > > Gorakhpur, India

> > >

> > > Sankaracharya - Chandrasekhara Saraswathi

> > >

> > > May 20, 1894

> > >

> > > Time: 1:26:00 pm

> > >

> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > >

> > > Place: 79 E 32' 00", 11 N 57' 00"

> > >

> > > Sankaracharya - Jayendra Saraswati

> > >

> > > July 18, 1935

> > >

> > > Time: 7:00:00 pm

> > >

> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > >

> > > Place: 79 E 26' 00", 10 N 42' 00"

> > >

> > > Ramana Maharishi

> > >

> > > December 30, 1879

> > >

> > > Time: 1:00:00 am

> > >

> > > Time Zone: 5:12:00 (East of GMT)

> > >

> > > Place: 78 E 07' 00", 9 N 56' 00"

> > >

> > > Ramakrishna Paramahansa

> > >

> > > February 18, 1836

> > >

> > > Time: 6:23:00 am

> > >

> > > Time Zone: 5:51:00 (East of GMT)

> > >

> > > Place: 87 E 44' 00", 22 N 53' 00"

> > >

> > > Sarada Ma

> > >

> > > December 22, 1853

> > >

> > > Time: 7:15:00 pm

> > >

> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > >

> > > Place: 87 E 07' 00", 23 N 14' 00"

> > >

> > > Swami Vivekananda

> > >

> > > January 12, 1863

> > >

> > > Time: 6:33:00 am

> > >

> > > Time Zone: 5:53:00 (East of GMT)

> > >

> > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00"

> > >

> > > Details:-

> > > Feb 5 1976

> > > 1:00:00 AM IST

> > > 80 E 17

> > > 13 N 05

> > >

> > > Warm Regards,

> > > Ravish

> > >

> > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

> wrote:

> > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > First let us be straight on one thing – that which is getting

moksha

> > > from

> > > > rebirth is the atma and not the dhi. So the 12th from Lagna is the

> > > moksha

> > > > for dhi and this is attained every night through sleeping, but

this

> > > does not

> > > > liberate the atma.

> > > >

> > > > Having understood this, we know now that all those combinations

> > > related to

> > > > moksha in the 12th from Lagna, must be either:

> > > >

> > > > 1) related to Ätmakäraka

> > > >

> > > > or

> > > >

> > > > 2) related to the death chart, where the 12th from lagna

shows

> > > whether

> > >

> > > > we get moksha or not.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly when we talk of moksha, the vedas agree that Vishnu

is the

> > > granter

> > > > and the role of God in our life must be seen from the navamsa, so

> > we can

> > > > only infer that moksha comes to the 12th from AK in D9.

> > > >

> > > > Now that this is settled, Parasara and jaimini have given us some

> > > > combinations to look for:

> > > >

> > > > * Malefics in 12th from karakamsa send one to an

> > > inauspicious abode,

> > > > whilst benefic ones send one to an auspicious abode.

> > > >

> > > > * Ketu in 12th from karakamsa gives liberation.

> > > >

> > > > * Malefics in the 4th house deny moksha, as they give

> > durgati or

> > > > lead one on the wrong path, whilst benefics will do the opposite.

> > > >

> > > > * Ketu in 4th grants moksha.

> > > >

> > > > The two latter statements will reveal whether the persons atma

is on

> > > a path

> > > > conducive towards moksha. This is where the Moon and Venus receive

> > > digbala

> > > > and will put one on the spiritual path of liberation. You can

check

> > > this in

> > > > the charts you see, but in all cases… you need to see the chart of

> > > demise to

> > > > be sure.

> > > >

> > > > As for differences in types of moksha. They say there are 4

types of

> > > moksha

> > > > depending on your level of awareness – most likely the saints

had a

> > > higher

> > > > level of awareness, but this is not something I have learnt to

> > > measure yet.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > >

> > > > http://srigaruda.com

> > > >

> > > > <visti@s...> visti@s...

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal]

> > > > 29 December 2004 14:48

> > > >

> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vistiji & All,

> > > >

> > > > Few of the charts we see, show indications of moksha from the

> re-birth

> > > > cycle. Some of the indications are possibly,

> > > >

> > > > A) Ketu in watery sign, in 12th from the lagna

> > > >

> > > > B) Ketu in 12th from AK in Navamsa.

> > > >

> > > > Please correct me if I have got the above combinations

incorrect or

> > > > missed out on some additional combinations.

> > > >

> > > > My question here however is:

> > > >

> > > > These people may lead a very normal life & may possibly sin or

> not in

> > > > this life, so is mokhsa assured ? But if a sin has been

> committed then

> > > > moksha should ideally not happen....

> > > >

> > > > What is the difference between this moksha & the ones like

what the

> > > > great saints attained ?

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards,

> > > > Ravish

> > > >

> > > > ~ om tat sat ~

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Dear Ramesh,

Our true nature is AK and always looking forward to loose the independent

existence and merge with Paramatma. The only way is giving up and AK gives us

opportunity and lessons to practice it.

If AK is malefic planet like Rahu, Saturn, Mars, he will be tested according to

the nature of the planet. One may have to see only "sorrow " in this life if

the Saturn is AK, "violence" if the "Mars" or will be cheated if the Rahu is

AK. He must have to undergo so much such experiences in the dasa of AK, and the

closeness to the God is depending on how the mind re-act towards experiences.

This experience and reactions of mind is called suffering and we know it is

also a state of mind or illutionery concepts. One who accept the truth, shall

not suffer, but give up or surrender.

The ties shall exist untill we pay off our debd, and the best way to understand

the easy way out is AK and it's placement. Liberation is primer goal of the

Atma but we cannot think about liberation as internally, in Atma level we have

some secondary goals too, such as become the prime ministor, become a rich man

or meet same girl friend again etc. This become our Dharma and this can be

fullfiled through Dharma Devata. Having fullfilled secondary goals, we pray for

Ishta Devata for show us the best path for liberation. In between, Karma Yoga is

reccomended.

Benefices still give lessons but may not harsh. You may read AK lesson in Gurujis web.

Best Wishes

Karu

Dear Sarajit,Namaskar,