Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Dear Vistiji & All, Few of the charts we see, show indications of moksha from the re-birth cycle. Some of the indications are possibly, A) Ketu in watery sign, in 12th from the lagna B) Ketu in 12th from AK in Navamsa. Please correct me if I have got the above combinations incorrect or missed out on some additional combinations. My question here however is: These people may lead a very normal life & may possibly sin or not in this life, so is mokhsa assured ? But if a sin has been committed then moksha should ideally not happen.... What is the difference between this moksha & the ones like what the great saints attained ? Warm Regards, Ravish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ravish, Namaskar First let us be straight on one thing – that which is getting moksha from rebirth is the atma and not the dhi. So the 12th from Lagna is the moksha for dhi and this is attained every night through sleeping, but this does not liberate the atma. Having understood this, we know now that all those combinations related to moksha in the 12th from Lagna, must be either: color:navy">1) related to Ätmakäraka or color:navy">2) related to the death chart, where the 12th from lagna shows whether we get moksha or not. Secondly when we talk of moksha, the vedas agree that Vishnu is the granter and the role of God in our life must be seen from the navamsa, so we can only infer that moksha comes to the 12th from AK in D9. Now that this is settled, Parasara and jaimini have given us some combinations to look for: color:navy">· Malefics in 12th from karakamsa send one to an inauspicious abode, whilst benefic ones send one to an auspicious abode. color:navy">· Ketu in 12th from karakamsa gives liberation. color:navy">· Malefics in the 4th house deny moksha, as they give durgati or lead one on the wrong path, whilst benefics will do the opposite. color:navy">· Ketu in 4th grants moksha. The two latter statements will reveal whether the persons atma is on a path conducive towards moksha. This is where the Moon and Venus receive digbala and will put one on the spiritual path of liberation. You can check this in the charts you see, but in all cases… you need to see the chart of demise to be sure. As for differences in types of moksha. They say there are 4 types of moksha depending on your level of awareness – most likely the saints had a higher level of awareness, but this is not something I have learnt to measure yet. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ravish [smart_rapheal ] 29 December 2004 14:48 [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Vistiji & All, Few of the charts we see, show indications of moksha from the re-birth cycle. Some of the indications are possibly, A) Ketu in watery sign, in 12th from the lagna B) Ketu in 12th from AK in Navamsa. Please correct me if I have got the above combinations incorrect or missed out on some additional combinations. My question here however is: These people may lead a very normal life & may possibly sin or not in this life, so is mokhsa assured ? But if a sin has been committed then moksha should ideally not happen.... What is the difference between this moksha & the ones like what the great saints attained ? Warm Regards, Ravish ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Dear Vistiji, Thank you for clarifying. I was looking into the chart of a great personality, Srila Prabhupada. He had no planets in 4th house in Rasi. But Ketu, Moon, Sun & Mercury do influence it by rashi drishti. So we can say he was on a path to moksha. But interestingly since Ra is his AK (indicating high degree of spiritual progress in life), Ke is not in 12th from his AK in Navamsa (of course it cannot be...). Instead it is Sun, so what do we make of this ? I understand that we need to also see the demise chart to be sure of moksha, I do not have this, perhaps if you could help me out with this... Another chart I considered was that of a colleagues, who has a Sc ascendant with Me AK placed in 2nd house with Ve. 4th house Aquarius has no planets but is under aspect from Ketu (from Aries)with rashi drishti & retrograde Sa from Cancer. In her Navamsa she has Me placed in Sg navamsa, with Ketu placed in Scorpio. Can we consider that she is on the path to moksha ? Details:- Feb 5 1976 1:00:00 AM IST 80 E 17 13 N 05 Warm Regards, Ravish , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > First let us be straight on one thing – that which is getting moksha from > rebirth is the atma and not the dhi. So the 12th from Lagna is the moksha > for dhi and this is attained every night through sleeping, but this does not > liberate the atma. > > Having understood this, we know now that all those combinations related to > moksha in the 12th from Lagna, must be either: > > 1) related to Ätmakäraka > > or > > 2) related to the death chart, where the 12th from lagna shows whether > we get moksha or not. > > > > Secondly when we talk of moksha, the vedas agree that Vishnu is the granter > and the role of God in our life must be seen from the navamsa, so we can > only infer that moksha comes to the 12th from AK in D9. > > > > Now that this is settled, Parasara and jaimini have given us some > combinations to look for: > > * Malefics in 12th from karakamsa send one to an inauspicious abode, > whilst benefic ones send one to an auspicious abode. > > * Ketu in 12th from karakamsa gives liberation. > > * Malefics in the 4th house deny moksha, as they give durgati or > lead one on the wrong path, whilst benefics will do the opposite. > > * Ketu in 4th grants moksha. > > The two latter statements will reveal whether the persons atma is on a path > conducive towards moksha. This is where the Moon and Venus receive digbala > and will put one on the spiritual path of liberation. You can check this in > the charts you see, but in all cases… you need to see the chart of demise to > be sure. > > > > As for differences in types of moksha. They say there are 4 types of moksha > depending on your level of awareness – most likely the saints had a higher > level of awareness, but this is not something I have learnt to measure yet. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 29 December 2004 14:48 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > Few of the charts we see, show indications of moksha from the re-birth > cycle. Some of the indications are possibly, > > A) Ketu in watery sign, in 12th from the lagna > > B) Ketu in 12th from AK in Navamsa. > > Please correct me if I have got the above combinations incorrect or > missed out on some additional combinations. > > My question here however is: > > These people may lead a very normal life & may possibly sin or not in > this life, so is mokhsa assured ? But if a sin has been committed then > moksha should ideally not happen.... > > What is the difference between this moksha & the ones like what the > great saints attained ? > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sponsor > > > > > > > > Children International > > > > > Give a Child the gift of Hope this Holiday season > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=0/SIG=128d4gjij/*http:/etool > s.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_childrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> > · > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=1/SIG=1424c63em/*http:/child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > · > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=2/SIG=142trf8s4/*http:/child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=3/SIG=13p5bcjfs/*http:/ad.do > ubleclick.net/clk;11034228;8889914;p?http://etools.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_ch > ildrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> Learn More > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2506933/rand=382947685> > > > > _____ > > Links > > * > / > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ravish, Namaskar - Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka Bhavani - Comments below. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ravish [smart_rapheal ] 30 December 2004 09:22 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Vistiji, Thank you for clarifying. I was looking into the chart of a great personality, Srila Prabhupada. He had no planets in 4th house in Rasi. But Ketu, Moon, Sun & Mercury do influence it by rashi drishti. So we can say he was on a path to moksha. But interestingly since Ra is his AK (indicating high degree of spiritual progress in life), Ke is not in 12th from his AK in Navamsa (of course it cannot be...). Instead it is Sun, so what do we make of this ? font-style:italic">[Visti] We have to analyze 4th from karakamsa – not rasi chart!! We wanto know the path of the soul. For Srila Prabhupada, the 4th from karakamsa has Venus – hence his ghati was blessed. font-style:italic"> font-family:"Courier New""> I understand that we need to also see the demise chart to be sure of moksha, I do not have this, perhaps if you could help me out with this... font-style:italic">[Visti] font-style:italic">His puñya chart is well known. font-style:italic">Srila Prabhupada - Punya font-style:italic">Natal Chart font-style:italic">Date: November 14, 1977 font-style:italic">Time: 7:30:00 pm font-style:italic">Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) font-style:italic">Place: 77 E 42' 00", 27 N 35' 00" font-style:italic"> Vrindavan, India’ font-family:"Courier New""> Another chart I considered was that of a colleagues, who has a Sc ascendant with Me AK placed in 2nd house with Ve. 4th house Aquarius has no planets but is under aspect from Ketu (from Aries)with rashi drishti & retrograde Sa from Cancer. In her Navamsa she has Me placed in Sg navamsa, with Ketu placed in Scorpio. Can we consider that she is on the path to moksha ? font-style:italic">[Visti] Even those who become sadhus do not all get moksha, what to talk of people in your office??? font-style:italic">Instead here are some charts you can look at. font-style:italic"> font-style:italic">Aurobindo Ghosh font-style:italic">Date: August 15, 1872 font-style:italic">Time: 5:08:00 am font-style:italic">Time Zone: 5:53:00 (East of GMT) font-style:italic">Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00" font-style:italic"> font-style:italic">Sri Lahiri Mahasya font-style:italic">Date: September 30, 1828 font-style:italic">Time: 9:01:00 am font-style:italic">Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) font-style:italic">Place: 87 E 05' 00", 26 N 28' 00" font-style:italic"> India, 1 font-style:italic">Sri Achyuta Dasa font-style:italic">Date: January 30, 1510 font-style:italic">Time: 9:58:38 pm font-style:italic">Time Zone: 5:43:20 (East of GMT) font-style:italic">Place: 85 E 50' 00", 20 N 30' 00" font-style:italic"> Cuttack, India font-style:italic"> font-style:italic">Paramahamsa Yogananda font-style:italic">Date: January 5, 1893 font-style:italic">Time: 8:58:20 pm font-style:italic">Time Zone: 5:30:44 (East of GMT) font-style:italic">Place: 75 E 41' 00", 29 N 27' 00" font-style:italic"> Gorakhpur, India font-style:italic"> font-style:italic">Sankaracharya - Chandrasekhara Saraswathi font-style:italic">Date: May 20, 1894 font-style:italic">Time: 1:26:00 pm font-style:italic">Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) font-style:italic">Place: 79 E 32' 00", 11 N 57' 00" font-style:italic"> font-style:italic">Sankaracharya - Jayendra Saraswati font-style:italic">Date: July 18, 1935 font-style:italic">Time: 7:00:00 pm font-style:italic">Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) font-style:italic">Place: 79 E 26' 00", 10 N 42' 00" font-style:italic"> font-style:italic">Ramana Maharishi font-style:italic">Date: December 30, 1879 font-style:italic">Time: 1:00:00 am font-style:italic">Time Zone: 5:12:00 (East of GMT) font-style:italic">Place: 78 E 07' 00", 9 N 56' 00" font-style:italic"> font-style:italic">Ramakrishna Paramahansa font-style:italic">Date: February 18, 1836 font-style:italic">Time: 6:23:00 am font-style:italic">Time Zone: 5:51:00 (East of GMT) font-style:italic">Place: 87 E 44' 00", 22 N 53' 00" font-style:italic"> font-style:italic">Sarada Ma font-style:italic">Date: December 22, 1853 font-style:italic">Time: 7:15:00 pm font-style:italic">Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) font-style:italic">Place: 87 E 07' 00", 23 N 14' 00" font-style:italic"> font-style:italic">Swami Vivekananda font-style:italic">Date: January 12, 1863 font-style:italic">Time: 6:33:00 am font-style:italic">Time Zone: 5:53:00 (East of GMT) font-style:italic">Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00" font-style:italic"> font-style:italic"> font-family:"Courier New""> Details:- Feb 5 1976 1:00:00 AM IST 80 E 17 13 N 05 Warm Regards, Ravish , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > First let us be straight on one thing – that which is getting moksha from > rebirth is the atma and not the dhi. So the 12th from Lagna is the moksha > for dhi and this is attained every night through sleeping, but this does not > liberate the atma. > > Having understood this, we know now that all those combinations related to > moksha in the 12th from Lagna, must be either: > > 1) related to Ätmakäraka > > or > > 2) related to the death chart, where the 12th from lagna shows whether > we get moksha or not. > > > > Secondly when we talk of moksha, the vedas agree that Vishnu is the granter > and the role of God in our life must be seen from the navamsa, so we can > only infer that moksha comes to the 12th from AK in D9. > > > > Now that this is settled, Parasara and jaimini have given us some > combinations to look for: > > * Malefics in 12th from karakamsa send one to an inauspicious abode, > whilst benefic ones send one to an auspicious abode. > > * Ketu in 12th from karakamsa gives liberation. > > * Malefics in the 4th house deny moksha, as they give durgati or > lead one on the wrong path, whilst benefics will do the opposite. > > * Ketu in 4th grants moksha. > > The two latter statements will reveal whether the persons atma is on a path > conducive towards moksha. This is where the Moon and Venus receive digbala > and will put one on the spiritual path of liberation. You can check this in > the charts you see, but in all cases… you need to see the chart of demise to > be sure. > > > > As for differences in types of moksha. They say there are 4 types of moksha > depending on your level of awareness – most likely the saints had a higher > level of awareness, but this is not something I have learnt to measure yet. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 29 December 2004 14:48 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > Few of the charts we see, show indications of moksha from the re-birth > cycle. Some of the indications are possibly, > > A) Ketu in watery sign, in 12th from the lagna > > B) Ketu in 12th from AK in Navamsa. > > Please correct me if I have got the above combinations incorrect or > missed out on some additional combinations. > > My question here however is: > > These people may lead a very normal life & may possibly sin or not in > this life, so is mokhsa assured ? But if a sin has been committed then > moksha should ideally not happen.... > > What is the difference between this moksha & the ones like what the > great saints attained ? > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Children International > > > > > Give a Child the gift of Hope this Holiday season > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=0/SIG=128d4gjij/*http:/etool > s.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_childrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> > > > > > > > > · > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=1/SIG=1424c63em/*http:/child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > > > > > > > > · > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=2/SIG=142trf8s4/*http:/child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=3/SIG=13p5bcjfs/*http:/ad.do > ubleclick.net/clk;11034228;8889914;p?http://etools.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_ch > ildrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> Learn More > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2506933/rand=382947685> > > > > _____ > > Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > / > > * To from this group, send an email to: > > <?subject=Un> > > * Your use of is subject to the > <> Terms of Service. > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Dear Visti-ji, (1) I find in BPHS Chapter 33 (beginning) that is AK is in Pisces Navamsa, the native will receive final emancipation also. Is this also an additional condition for Moksha as you described? (2) Also, can you please help me understand the difference between functional/ natural malefic nature of a planet? For example, in BPHS, it is mentioned that Jupiter in Ascendant alone is a cure for many evils. What if it is a func. malefic? Likewise when exactly we consider functional nature? Thanks, - Sourav , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > First let us be straight on one thing – that which is getting moksha from > rebirth is the atma and not the dhi. So the 12th from Lagna is the moksha > for dhi and this is attained every night through sleeping, but this does not > liberate the atma. > > Having understood this, we know now that all those combinations related to > moksha in the 12th from Lagna, must be either: > > 1) related to Ätmakäraka > > or > > 2) related to the death chart, where the 12th from lagna shows whether > we get moksha or not. > > > > Secondly when we talk of moksha, the vedas agree that Vishnu is the granter > and the role of God in our life must be seen from the navamsa, so we can > only infer that moksha comes to the 12th from AK in D9. > > > > Now that this is settled, Parasara and jaimini have given us some > combinations to look for: > > * Malefics in 12th from karakamsa send one to an inauspicious abode, > whilst benefic ones send one to an auspicious abode. > > * Ketu in 12th from karakamsa gives liberation. > > * Malefics in the 4th house deny moksha, as they give durgati or > lead one on the wrong path, whilst benefics will do the opposite. > > * Ketu in 4th grants moksha. > > The two latter statements will reveal whether the persons atma is on a path > conducive towards moksha. This is where the Moon and Venus receive digbala > and will put one on the spiritual path of liberation. You can check this in > the charts you see, but in all cases… you need to see the chart of demise to > be sure. > > > > As for differences in types of moksha. They say there are 4 types of moksha > depending on your level of awareness – most likely the saints had a higher > level of awareness, but this is not something I have learnt to measure yet. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 29 December 2004 14:48 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > Few of the charts we see, show indications of moksha from the re- birth > cycle. Some of the indications are possibly, > > A) Ketu in watery sign, in 12th from the lagna > > B) Ketu in 12th from AK in Navamsa. > > Please correct me if I have got the above combinations incorrect or > missed out on some additional combinations. > > My question here however is: > > These people may lead a very normal life & may possibly sin or not in > this life, so is mokhsa assured ? But if a sin has been committed then > moksha should ideally not happen.... > > What is the difference between this moksha & the ones like what the > great saints attained ? > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sponsor > > > > > > > > Children International > > > > > Give a Child the gift of Hope this Holiday season > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=0/SIG=128d4gjij/*http :/etool > s.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_childrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> > · > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=1/SIG=1424c63em/*http :/child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > · > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=2/SIG=142trf8s4/*http :/child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=3/SIG=13p5bcjfs/*http :/ad.do > ubleclick.net/clk;11034228;8889914;p? http://etools.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_ch > ildrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> Learn More > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? 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Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sourav, Namaskar 1) This requires a better understanding of the karakamsa. i) the planet that is the AK shows what the person has done in previous births and will have to undergo some harsh lessons to overcome. ii) the sign which is the karakamsa shows what actions the atma is prone to perform in this life, and will have to overcome in their next birth. So AK in pisces in d9, indicates an atma who has stopped hurting others and has stopped causing problems. However they are prone to loss of spouse, just as brihaspati lost tara. 2) Start with this: The good houses are your friends, and the bad houses are your enemies. The lords of the same will show what they are doing. Preferably the lords of bad houses should either be blessing you and your friends by being strong in kendras, or destroying each other by being weak in dusthanas. Libra has no room for the guru of the devas, so naturally an uncomfortable feeling will arise from Jupiter in libra lagna. The next stage is karakas – here Jupiter will remove all diseases as he is friendly towards the karaka of the lagna – Sun. So Brihaspati thou in the enemies camp will still do his dharma of blessing everyone. But an exception is there always: The badhakesh will never support the lagna. So Sun in Lagna for Libra is not good for health at all. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">feynman_8 [feynman_8 ] 30 December 2004 14:35 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Visti-ji, (1) I find in BPHS Chapter 33 (beginning) that is AK is in Pisces Navamsa, the native will receive final emancipation also. Is this also an additional condition for Moksha as you described? (2) Also, can you please help me understand the difference between functional/ natural malefic nature of a planet? For example, in BPHS, it is mentioned that Jupiter in Ascendant alone is a cure for many evils. What if it is a func. malefic? Likewise when exactly we consider functional nature? Thanks, - Sourav , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > First let us be straight on one thing – that which is getting moksha from > rebirth is the atma and not the dhi. So the 12th from Lagna is the moksha > for dhi and this is attained every night through sleeping, but this does not > liberate the atma. > > Having understood this, we know now that all those combinations related to > moksha in the 12th from Lagna, must be either: > > 1) related to Ätmakäraka > > or > > 2) related to the death chart, where the 12th from lagna shows whether > we get moksha or not. > > > > Secondly when we talk of moksha, the vedas agree that Vishnu is the granter > and the role of God in our life must be seen from the navamsa, so we can > only infer that moksha comes to the 12th from AK in D9. > > > > Now that this is settled, Parasara and jaimini have given us some > combinations to look for: > > * Malefics in 12th from karakamsa send one to an inauspicious abode, > whilst benefic ones send one to an auspicious abode. > > * Ketu in 12th from karakamsa gives liberation. > > * Malefics in the 4th house deny moksha, as they give durgati or > lead one on the wrong path, whilst benefics will do the opposite. > > * Ketu in 4th grants moksha. > > The two latter statements will reveal whether the persons atma is on a path > conducive towards moksha. This is where the Moon and Venus receive digbala > and will put one on the spiritual path of liberation. You can check this in > the charts you see, but in all cases… you need to see the chart of demise to > be sure. > > > > As for differences in types of moksha. They say there are 4 types of moksha > depending on your level of awareness – most likely the saints had a higher > level of awareness, but this is not something I have learnt to measure yet. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 29 December 2004 14:48 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > Few of the charts we see, show indications of moksha from the re- birth > cycle. Some of the indications are possibly, > > A) Ketu in watery sign, in 12th from the lagna > > B) Ketu in 12th from AK in Navamsa. > > Please correct me if I have got the above combinations incorrect or > missed out on some additional combinations. > > My question here however is: > > These people may lead a very normal life & may possibly sin or not in > this life, so is mokhsa assured ? But if a sin has been committed then > moksha should ideally not happen.... > > What is the difference between this moksha & the ones like what the > great saints attained ? > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Children International > > > > > Give a Child the gift of Hope this Holiday season > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=0/SIG=128d4gjij/*http :/etool > s.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_childrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> > > > > > > > > · > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=1/SIG=1424c63em/*http :/child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > > > > > > > > · > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=2/SIG=142trf8s4/*http :/child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=3/SIG=13p5bcjfs/*http :/ad.do > ubleclick.net/clk;11034228;8889914;p? http://etools.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_ch > ildrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> Learn More > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? 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Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Dear Visti-ji, please see below for some furthur questions. Thanks, - Sourav ============================ , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sourav, Namaskar > > 1) This requires a better understanding of the karakamsa. > > i) the planet that is the AK shows what the person has done in previous > births and will have to undergo some harsh lessons to overcome. > > ii) the sign which is the karakamsa shows what actions the atma is prone to > perform in this life, and will have to overcome in their next birth. [sourav]: My AK is Me in Pi in D9. So I will need to do (or I am prone to do) more dharmic activity ( or attitude) to overcome hurdles in life? What do you mean by "next birth" . Do you mean this life? If not, then how does this birth chart refers to next life? I thought that information is obtained from Punya chart. ---- So AK > in pisces in d9, indicates an atma who has stopped hurting others and has stopped causing problems. [sourav]: You seem to sort of answer my question above but can you please clarify furthur what is meant by stopping to cause problems. - However they are prone to loss of spouse, just as brihaspati lost tara. [sourav]: This is also indicated by Su in 7-th in my D-1. - > 2) Start with this: The good houses are your friends, and the bad houses are > your enemies. The lords of the same will show what they are doing. [sourav]: Does this mean that if the lord of the bad houses are natural malefics, in addition to being func. malefics that is worse? > > Preferably the lords of bad houses should either be blessing you and your > friends by being strong in kendras, [sourav]: Bad house lord in Kendras meaning 'opposite' of Kendraduma ? May be I am mixing Kendraduma with something else. Actually, I dont understand this very well. But if Bad house Lords are in kendras, will they not bring bad effects to the good houses (kendras)? - or destroying each other by being weak > in dusthanas. [sourav]: This part I understand. Thanks. - > Libra has no room for the guru of the devas, so naturally an uncomfortable > feeling will arise from Jupiter in libra lagna. [sourav]: I have Ju in Ge in Lagna. Ju is not comfortable in Ge. So Ju will still try to do good but the intensity of good will be lessened, because it is in an enemy camp? - > > > The next stage is karakas – here Jupiter will remove all diseases as he is > friendly towards the karaka of the lagna – Sun. So Brihaspati thou in the > enemies camp will still do his dharma of blessing everyone. > > > > But an exception is there always: The badhakesh will never support the > lagna. So Sun in Lagna for Libra is not good for health at all. [sourav]: Ju also seems to be my badhakesh. So it automatically will not be good in its effects? You refered to Sun in Li in As. Are you refering to another chart of just said this as an example? --------- ** [sourav]: I have started with Pt. B.V. Raman's How to Judge a Horoscope and 300 Notable combinations. I am getting BHPS by G.C. Sharma (the book is on its way). Just to let you know. Thanks. > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > feynman_8 [feynman_8] > 30 December 2004 14:35 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > Dear Visti-ji, > > (1) I find in BPHS Chapter 33 (beginning) that is AK is in Pisces > Navamsa, the native will receive final emancipation also. Is this > also an additional condition for Moksha as you described? > > (2) Also, can you please help me understand the difference between > functional/ natural malefic nature of a planet? For example, in > BPHS, it is mentioned that Jupiter in Ascendant alone is a cure for > many evils. What if it is a func. malefic? Likewise when exactly we > consider functional nature? > > Thanks, > > - Sourav > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > First let us be straight on one thing – that which is getting > moksha from > > rebirth is the atma and not the dhi. So the 12th from Lagna is the > moksha > > for dhi and this is attained every night through sleeping, but > this does not > > liberate the atma. > > > > Having understood this, we know now that all those combinations > related to > > moksha in the 12th from Lagna, must be either: > > > > 1) related to Ätmakäraka > > > > or > > > > 2) related to the death chart, where the 12th from lagna > shows whether > > we get moksha or not. > > > > > > > > Secondly when we talk of moksha, the vedas agree that Vishnu is > the granter > > and the role of God in our life must be seen from the navamsa, so > we can > > only infer that moksha comes to the 12th from AK in D9. > > > > > > > > Now that this is settled, Parasara and jaimini have given us some > > combinations to look for: > > > > * Malefics in 12th from karakamsa send one to an > inauspicious abode, > > whilst benefic ones send one to an auspicious abode. > > > > * Ketu in 12th from karakamsa gives liberation. > > > > * Malefics in the 4th house deny moksha, as they give > durgati or > > lead one on the wrong path, whilst benefics will do the opposite. > > > > * Ketu in 4th grants moksha. > > > > The two latter statements will reveal whether the persons atma is > on a path > > conducive towards moksha. This is where the Moon and Venus receive > digbala > > and will put one on the spiritual path of liberation. You can > check this in > > the charts you see, but in all cases… you need to see the chart of > demise to > > be sure. > > > > > > > > As for differences in types of moksha. They say there are 4 types > of moksha > > depending on your level of awareness – most likely the saints had > a higher > > level of awareness, but this is not something I have learnt to > measure yet. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > 29 December 2004 14:48 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > > > Few of the charts we see, show indications of moksha from the re- > birth > > cycle. Some of the indications are possibly, > > > > A) Ketu in watery sign, in 12th from the lagna > > > > B) Ketu in 12th from AK in Navamsa. > > > > Please correct me if I have got the above combinations incorrect or > > missed out on some additional combinations. > > > > My question here however is: > > > > These people may lead a very normal life & may possibly sin or not > in > > this life, so is mokhsa assured ? But if a sin has been committed > then > > moksha should ideally not happen.... > > > > What is the difference between this moksha & the ones like what the > > great saints attained ? > > > > Warm Regards, > > Ravish > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Children International > > > > > > > > > > Give a Child the gift of Hope this Holiday season > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 > 11/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=0/SIG=128d4gjij/*http > :/etool > > s.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_childrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > · > > > > Click > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 > 11/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=1/SIG=1424c63em/*http > :/child > > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? > _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Boy > > And Change His Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > · > > > > Click > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 > 11/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=2/SIG=142trf8s4/*http > :/child > > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? > _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Girl > > And Give Her Hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 > 11/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=3/SIG=13p5bcjfs/*http > :/ad.do > > ubleclick.net/clk;11034228;8889914;p? > http://etools.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_ch > > ildrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> Learn More > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? > M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=groups/S= > > :HM/A=2506933/rand=382947685> > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Links > > > > * > > / > > > > * > > > > <? > subject=Un> > > > > * > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sponsor > > > > > > > > Children International > > > > > Give a Child the gift of Hope this Holiday season > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=12909h3og/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104500115/A=2506933/R=0/SIG=128d4gjij/*http :/etool > s.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_childrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> > · > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=12909h3og/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104500115/A=2506933/R=1/SIG=1424c63em/*http :/child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > · > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=12909h3og/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104500115/A=2506933/R=2/SIG=142trf8s4/*http :/child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=12909h3og/M=319077.5836060.6866044.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104500115/A=2506933/R=3/SIG=13p5bcjfs/*http :/ad.do > ubleclick.net/clk;11034228;8889914;p? http://etools.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_ch > ildrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> Learn More > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? 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Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sourav, Namaskar Comments below. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">feynman_8 [feynman_8 ] 30 December 2004 18:05 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> ============================ , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> [sourav]: My AK is Me in Pi in D9. So I will need to do (or I am prone to do) more dharmic activity ( or attitude) to overcome hurdles in life? What do you mean by "next birth" . Do you mean this life? If not, then how does this birth chart refers to next life? I thought that information is obtained from Punya chart. font-style:italic"> font-style:italic">[Visti] the karakamsa sign will show how you tend to affect others in this birth. If you do something wrong you will suffer from this in a next birth. So the sign shows the actions you do in this birth whilst the planet shows what you did in the last. font-family:"Courier New""> ---- So AK > in pisces in d9, indicates an atma who has stopped hurting others and has stopped causing problems. [sourav]: Does this mean that if the lord of the bad houses are natural malefics, in addition to being func. malefics that is worse? font-style:italic">[Visti] It ALL depends on who is doing what to who. font-family:"Courier New""> > > Preferably the lords of bad houses should either be blessing you and your > friends by being strong in kendras, [sourav]: Bad house lord in Kendras meaning 'opposite' of Kendraduma ? May be I am mixing Kendraduma with something else. Actually, I dont understand this very well. But if Bad house Lords are in kendras, will they not bring bad effects to the good houses (kendras)? navy"> font-style:italic"> font-style:italic">[Visti] This follows the principle of vipareet raja yoga – Dusthäna lords weak in dusthanas or strong in kendras. But yes you are right, that a conflict must be there if a dusthana is associated with a Bhäva. font-family:"Courier New""> - or destroying each other by being weak > in dusthanas. [sourav]: This part I understand. Thanks. - > Libra has no room for the guru of the devas, so naturally an uncomfortable > feeling will arise from Jupiter in libra lagna. [sourav]: I have Ju in Ge in Lagna. Ju is not comfortable in Ge. So Ju will still try to do good but the intensity of good will be lessened, because it is in an enemy camp? font-style:italic"> font-style:italic">[Visti] As far as the lord of gemini is concerned – Jupiter is a neutral, but on the other hand Jupiter is no comfortable. But both these points do not talk of the fact that Jupiter is badhakesh for gemini. font-family:"Courier New""> - > > > The next stage is karakas – here Jupiter will remove all diseases as he is > friendly towards the karaka of the lagna – Sun. So Brihaspati thou in the > enemies camp will still do his dharma of blessing everyone. > > > > But an exception is there always: The badhakesh will never support the > lagna. So Sun in Lagna for Libra is not good for health at all. [sourav]: Ju also seems to be my badhakesh. So it automatically will not be good in its effects? You refered to Sun in Li in As. Are you refering to another chart of just said this as an example? font-style:italic">[Visti] It was an example and you are right. font-family:"Courier New""> --------- ** [sourav]: I have started with Pt. B.V. Raman's How to Judge a Horoscope and 300 Notable combinations. I am getting BHPS by G.C. Sharma (the book is on its way). Just to let you know. Thanks. > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > feynman_8 [feynman_8] > 30 December 2004 14:35 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > Dear Visti-ji, > > (1) I find in BPHS Chapter 33 (beginning) that is AK is in Pisces > Navamsa, the native will receive final emancipation also. Is this > also an additional condition for Moksha as you described? > > (2) Also, can you please help me understand the difference between > functional/ natural malefic nature of a planet? For example, in > BPHS, it is mentioned that Jupiter in Ascendant alone is a cure for > many evils. What if it is a func. malefic? Likewise when exactly we > consider functional nature? > > Thanks, > > - Sourav > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > First let us be straight on one thing – that which is getting > moksha from > > rebirth is the atma and not the dhi. So the 12th from Lagna is the > moksha > > for dhi and this is attained every night through sleeping, but > this does not > > liberate the atma. > > > > Having understood this, we know now that all those combinations > related to > > moksha in the 12th from Lagna, must be either: > > > > 1) related to Ätmakäraka > > > > or > > > > 2) related to the death chart, where the 12th from lagna > shows whether > > we get moksha or not. > > > > > > > > Secondly when we talk of moksha, the vedas agree that Vishnu is > the granter > > and the role of God in our life must be seen from the navamsa, so > we can > > only infer that moksha comes to the 12th from AK in D9. > > > > > > > > Now that this is settled, Parasara and jaimini have given us some > > combinations to look for: > > > > * Malefics in 12th from karakamsa send one to an > inauspicious abode, > > whilst benefic ones send one to an auspicious abode. > > > > * Ketu in 12th from karakamsa gives liberation. > > > > * Malefics in the 4th house deny moksha, as they give > durgati or > > lead one on the wrong path, whilst benefics will do the opposite. > > > > * Ketu in 4th grants moksha. > > > > The two latter statements will reveal whether the persons atma is > on a path > > conducive towards moksha. This is where the Moon and Venus receive > digbala > > and will put one on the spiritual path of liberation. You can > check this in > > the charts you see, but in all cases… you need to see the chart of > demise to > > be sure. > > > > > > > > As for differences in types of moksha. They say there are 4 types > of moksha > > depending on your level of awareness – most likely the saints had > a higher > > level of awareness, but this is not something I have learnt to > measure yet. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > 29 December 2004 14:48 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > > > Few of the charts we see, show indications of moksha from the re- > birth > > cycle. Some of the indications are possibly, > > > > A) Ketu in watery sign, in 12th from the lagna > > > > B) Ketu in 12th from AK in Navamsa. > > > > Please correct me if I have got the above combinations incorrect or > > missed out on some additional combinations. > > > > My question here however is: > > > > These people may lead a very normal life & may possibly sin or not > in > > this life, so is mokhsa assured ? 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Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Dear Guru Visti, Exuse my interupt in conversation,just I have one question on subject you mentioned: > [Visti] the karakamsa sign will show how you tend to affect others in this > birth. If you do something wrong you will suffer from this in a next birth. > So the sign shows the actions you do in this birth whilst the planet shows > what you did in the last. > > -while reading some other explainings on role of AK,I understood it usualy being conected in sense-"what one should do,must to" in order to keep on right direction in this life. But does this always come like one took something of wrong way on graha indicating AK before? for example -Ma-ahimsa now,but does it mean violent before,Me- must be truthful,but did oposit before? or how else to understand that :> what you did in the last Regards Maja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Maja, Namaskar Simply brilliant! You got it! If Mars is AK then you beat everyone up and could not control your temper… maybe your karakamsa was in Scorpio or Aries in the past life. So in this life Mars will punish you and make everyone angry with you until you one day learn to give in and stop fighting. Point is that what about the AK in your next life? This will be indicated by the karakamsa sign… I have Cancer as the sign, so if I don’t watch out I may be reborn with Moon as AK? This is why Jaimini and Paraçara where not concerned about the AK-planets indications but only the Ak-signs. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Maja [vakelim ] 30 December 2004 21:29 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Guru Visti, Exuse my interupt in conversation,just I have one question on subject you mentioned: > [Visti] the karakamsa sign will show how you tend to affect others in this > birth. If you do something wrong you will suffer from this in a next birth. > So the sign shows the actions you do in this birth whilst the planet shows > what you did in the last. > > -while reading some other explainings on role of AK,I understood it usualy being conected in sense-"what one should do,must to" in order to keep on right direction in this life. But does this always come like one took something of wrong way on graha indicating AK before? for example -Ma-ahimsa now,but does it mean violent before,Me- must be truthful,but did oposit before? or how else to understand that :> what you did in the last Regards Maja ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Dear Guru Visti, Seems you really have chalenges in this lifetime-not only Rh as AK - "must to" stay of clean heart even might get cheated by others,but even to be deeply carryng for others and comapssionate(cancer). (something like apostolic- ofer a right cheek when you get punch in left:) By the way what's so wrong indicated with Mo being AK that one "should watch out"?? Mine AK in Gemini would teach me watch out what I talk,write?(oops) Best wishes Maja , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > Simply brilliant! You got it! > > If Mars is AK then you beat everyone up and could not control your temper… > maybe your karakamsa was in Scorpio or Aries in the past life. So in this > life Mars will punish you and make everyone angry with you until you one day > learn to give in and stop fighting. > > Point is that what about the AK in your next life? This will be indicated by > the karakamsa sign… I have Cancer as the sign, so if I don't watch out I may > be reborn with Moon as AK? This is why Jaimini and Paraçara where not > concerned about the AK-planets indications but only the Ak-signs. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Maja [vakelim] > 30 December 2004 21:29 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > Dear Guru Visti, > > Exuse my interupt in conversation,just I have one question on > subject you mentioned: > > > > [Visti] the karakamsa sign will show how you tend to affect others > in this > > birth. If you do something wrong you will suffer from this in a > next birth. > > So the sign shows the actions you do in this birth whilst the > planet shows > > what you did in the last. > > > > > -while reading some other explainings on role of AK,I understood it > usualy being conected in sense-"what one should do,must to" in order > to keep on right direction in this life. > But does this always come like one took something of wrong way on > graha indicating AK before? for example > -Ma-ahimsa now,but does it mean violent before,Me- must be > truthful,but did oposit before? > or how else to understand that :> what you did in the last > > Regards > Maja ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129pqeo24/M=294855.5468653.6549235.30011 76/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104524947/A=2455396/R=0/SIG=119u9qmi7/*http :/small > business./domains/> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? M=294855.5468653.6549235.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2455396/rand=410603538> > > > > _____ > > Links > > * > / > > * > > <? subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Hare Krishna Dear Visti- Perhaps i missed this point , but in which text does it say that sign of karakamsa will indicate the AK in next birth? Thanks, Lakshmi, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > Simply brilliant! You got it! > > If Mars is AK then you beat everyone up and could not control your temper… > maybe your karakamsa was in Scorpio or Aries in the past life. So in this > life Mars will punish you and make everyone angry with you until you one day > learn to give in and stop fighting. > > Point is that what about the AK in your next life? This will be indicated by > the karakamsa sign… I have Cancer as the sign, so if I don't watch out I may > be reborn with Moon as AK? This is why Jaimini and Paraçara where not > concerned about the AK-planets indications but only the Ak-signs. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Maja [vakelim] > 30 December 2004 21:29 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > Dear Guru Visti, > > Exuse my interupt in conversation,just I have one question on > subject you mentioned: > > > > [Visti] the karakamsa sign will show how you tend to affect others > in this > > birth. If you do something wrong you will suffer from this in a > next birth. > > So the sign shows the actions you do in this birth whilst the > planet shows > > what you did in the last. > > > > > -while reading some other explainings on role of AK,I understood it > usualy being conected in sense-"what one should do,must to" in order > to keep on right direction in this life. > But does this always come like one took something of wrong way on > graha indicating AK before? for example > -Ma-ahimsa now,but does it mean violent before,Me- must be > truthful,but did oposit before? > or how else to understand that :> what you did in the last > > Regards > Maja ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129pqeo24/M=294855.5468653.6549235.300117 6/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104524947/A=2455396/R=0/SIG=119u9qmi7/*http: /small > business./domains/> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? M=294855.5468653.6549235.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2455396/rand=410603538> > > > > _____ > > Links > > * > / > > * > > <? subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Dear Vistiji, "Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka Bhavani" meaning only the mother can keep us on the right track ? In your chart too you have Venus in 4th(Libra) from your Karkamsa(Cancer). So can we infer that influence of Ve, Mo (& other benefics) on 4th from Karkamsa will help the native on the right path ? I have no planets in 4th from karkamsa, but Me, Ve & Ju aspect it with rashi drishti. If 4th is such a influence then if one has benefic influences on the 4th, one should pray to such a diety for guidance on right path, correct ? I did see the punya chart of Srila Prabhupada, but mokshakaraka Ke is in Pisces in 5th from the ascendant Scorpio. AK Sun though is in 12th. Please help me understand this chart..... Vistiji, I was under the impression that even ordinary mortals by their good deeds alone were capable of attaining Moksha, hence was taking the example of my colleague's. I will attempt the charts you have given & put forward the questions I have.... Thank you, Warm Regards, Ravish , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > - Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka Bhavani - > > Comments below. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 30 December 2004 09:22 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > Thank you for clarifying. I was looking into the chart of a great > personality, Srila Prabhupada. He had no planets in 4th house in Rasi. > But Ketu, Moon, Sun & Mercury do influence it by rashi drishti. So we > can say he was on a path to moksha. But interestingly since Ra is his > AK (indicating high degree of spiritual progress in life), Ke is not > in 12th from his AK in Navamsa (of course it cannot be...). Instead it > is Sun, so what do we make of this ? > > > > [Visti] We have to analyze 4th from karakamsa – not rasi chart!! We wanto > know the path of the soul. For Srila Prabhupada, the 4th from karakamsa has > Venus – hence his ghati was blessed. > > > > > I understand that we need to also see the demise chart to be sure of > moksha, I do not have this, perhaps if you could help me out with this... > > > > [Visti] > > His puñya chart is well known. > > Srila Prabhupada - Punya > > Natal Chart > > November 14, 1977 > > Time: 7:30:00 pm > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 77 E 42' 00", 27 N 35' 00" > > Vrindavan, India' > > > Another chart I considered was that of a colleagues, who has a Sc > ascendant with Me AK placed in 2nd house with Ve. 4th house Aquarius > has no planets but is under aspect from Ketu (from Aries)with rashi > drishti & retrograde Sa from Cancer. In her Navamsa she has Me placed > in Sg navamsa, with Ketu placed in Scorpio. Can we consider that she > is on the path to moksha ? > > > > [Visti] Even those who become sadhus do not all get moksha, what to talk of > people in your office??? > > Instead here are some charts you can look at. > > > > Aurobindo Ghosh > > August 15, 1872 > > Time: 5:08:00 am > > Time Zone: 5:53:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00" > > > > Sri Lahiri Mahasya > > September 30, 1828 > > Time: 9:01:00 am > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 87 E 05' 00", 26 N 28' 00" > > India, 1 > > Sri Achyuta Dasa > > January 30, 1510 > > Time: 9:58:38 pm > > Time Zone: 5:43:20 (East of GMT) > > Place: 85 E 50' 00", 20 N 30' 00" > > Cuttack, India > > > > Paramahamsa Yogananda > > January 5, 1893 > > Time: 8:58:20 pm > > Time Zone: 5:30:44 (East of GMT) > > Place: 75 E 41' 00", 29 N 27' 00" > > Gorakhpur, India > > > > Sankaracharya - Chandrasekhara Saraswathi > > May 20, 1894 > > Time: 1:26:00 pm > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 79 E 32' 00", 11 N 57' 00" > > > > Sankaracharya - Jayendra Saraswati > > July 18, 1935 > > Time: 7:00:00 pm > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 79 E 26' 00", 10 N 42' 00" > > > > Ramana Maharishi > > December 30, 1879 > > Time: 1:00:00 am > > Time Zone: 5:12:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 78 E 07' 00", 9 N 56' 00" > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahansa > > February 18, 1836 > > Time: 6:23:00 am > > Time Zone: 5:51:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 87 E 44' 00", 22 N 53' 00" > > > > Sarada Ma > > December 22, 1853 > > Time: 7:15:00 pm > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 87 E 07' 00", 23 N 14' 00" > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > January 12, 1863 > > Time: 6:33:00 am > > Time Zone: 5:53:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00" > > Details:- > Feb 5 1976 > 1:00:00 AM IST > 80 E 17 > 13 N 05 > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > First let us be straight on one thing – that which is getting moksha > from > > rebirth is the atma and not the dhi. So the 12th from Lagna is the > moksha > > for dhi and this is attained every night through sleeping, but this > does not > > liberate the atma. > > > > Having understood this, we know now that all those combinations > related to > > moksha in the 12th from Lagna, must be either: > > > > 1) related to Ätmakäraka > > > > or > > > > 2) related to the death chart, where the 12th from lagna shows > whether > > > we get moksha or not. > > > > > > > > Secondly when we talk of moksha, the vedas agree that Vishnu is the > granter > > and the role of God in our life must be seen from the navamsa, so we can > > only infer that moksha comes to the 12th from AK in D9. > > > > > > > > Now that this is settled, Parasara and jaimini have given us some > > combinations to look for: > > > > * Malefics in 12th from karakamsa send one to an > inauspicious abode, > > whilst benefic ones send one to an auspicious abode. > > > > * Ketu in 12th from karakamsa gives liberation. > > > > * Malefics in the 4th house deny moksha, as they give durgati or > > lead one on the wrong path, whilst benefics will do the opposite. > > > > * Ketu in 4th grants moksha. > > > > The two latter statements will reveal whether the persons atma is on > a path > > conducive towards moksha. This is where the Moon and Venus receive > digbala > > and will put one on the spiritual path of liberation. You can check > this in > > the charts you see, but in all cases… you need to see the chart of > demise to > > be sure. > > > > > > > > As for differences in types of moksha. They say there are 4 types of > moksha > > depending on your level of awareness – most likely the saints had a > higher > > level of awareness, but this is not something I have learnt to > measure yet. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > 29 December 2004 14:48 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > > > Few of the charts we see, show indications of moksha from the re-birth > > cycle. Some of the indications are possibly, > > > > A) Ketu in watery sign, in 12th from the lagna > > > > B) Ketu in 12th from AK in Navamsa. > > > > Please correct me if I have got the above combinations incorrect or > > missed out on some additional combinations. > > > > My question here however is: > > > > These people may lead a very normal life & may possibly sin or not in > > this life, so is mokhsa assured ? But if a sin has been committed then > > moksha should ideally not happen.... > > > > What is the difference between this moksha & the ones like what the > > great saints attained ? > > > > Warm Regards, > > Ravish > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Children International > > > > > > > > > > Give a Child the gift of Hope this Holiday season > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=0/SIG=128d4gjij/*http:/etool > > s.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_childrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > · > > > > Click > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=1/SIG=1424c63em/*http:/child > > > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Boy > > And Change His Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > · > > > > Click > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=2/SIG=142trf8s4/*http:/child > > > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Girl > > And Give Her Hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1295n3roc/M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104414511/A=2506933/R=3/SIG=13p5bcjfs/*http:/ad.do > > > ubleclick.net/clk;11034228;8889914;p?http://etools.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_ch > > ildrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> Learn More > > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=319077.5836060.6866044.2152211/D=groups/S= > > :HM/A=2506933/rand=382947685> > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Links > > > > * > > / > > > > * > > > > <?subject=Un> > > > > * > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129sjgvm9/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104481319/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/compa > nion.> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2128215/rand=951817078> > > > > _____ > > Links > > * > / > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar Firstly this is not certain, as this will depend on how you handle yourself in this birth. Secondly this is from some discussions with Sanjayji. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmikary [lakshmikary ] 30 December 2004 23:21 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Hare Krishna Dear Visti- Perhaps i missed this point , but in which text does it say that sign of karakamsa will indicate the AK in next birth? Thanks, Lakshmi, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > Simply brilliant! You got it! > > If Mars is AK then you beat everyone up and could not control your temper… > maybe your karakamsa was in Scorpio or Aries in the past life. So in this > life Mars will punish you and make everyone angry with you until you one day > learn to give in and stop fighting. > > Point is that what about the AK in your next life? This will be indicated by > the karakamsa sign… I have Cancer as the sign, so if I don't watch out I may > be reborn with Moon as AK? This is why Jaimini and Paraçara where not > concerned about the AK-planets indications but only the Ak-signs. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Maja [vakelim] > 30 December 2004 21:29 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > Dear Guru Visti, > > Exuse my interupt in conversation,just I have one question on > subject you mentioned: > > > > [Visti] the karakamsa sign will show how you tend to affect others > in this > > birth. If you do something wrong you will suffer from this in a > next birth. > > So the sign shows the actions you do in this birth whilst the > planet shows > > what you did in the last. > > > > > -while reading some other explainings on role of AK,I understood it > usualy being conected in sense-"what one should do,must to" in order > to keep on right direction in this life. > But does this always come like one took something of wrong way on > graha indicating AK before? for example > -Ma-ahimsa now,but does it mean violent before,Me- must be > truthful,but did oposit before? > or how else to understand that :> what you did in the last > > Regards > Maja > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129pqeo24/M=294855.5468653.6549235.300117 6/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1104524947/A=2455396/R=0/SIG=119u9qmi7/*http: /small > business./domains/> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? M=294855.5468653.6549235.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2455396/rand=410603538> > > > > _____ > > Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > / > > * To from this group, send an email to: > > <? subject=Un> > > * Your use of is subject to the > <> Terms of Service. > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">|| Jaya Jagannath || Dear Visti, Namaskar, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I have not only Mars as AK, but Mars happens to be in Scorpio Navamsa. So I would be having Mars again as my AK. What I understand is that Mars in Scorpio can give me troubles from creatures ruled by Scorpio or from some other Scorpio significations. But from my side, I am as cool as ice water… no one can say I have Mars as AK Wingdings;mso-ascii-font-family:Arial;mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;color:navy;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings">J color:navy">. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Regards 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Sarajit 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen [visti (AT) (DOT) org] Friday, December 31, 2004 4:35 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Maja, Namaskar Simply brilliant! You got it! If Mars is AK then you beat everyone up and could not control your temper… maybe your karakamsa was in Scorpio or Aries in the past life. So in this life Mars will punish you and make everyone angry with you until you one day learn to give in and stop fighting. Point is that what about the AK in your next life? This will be indicated by the karakamsa sign… I have Cancer as the sign, so if I don’t watch out I may be reborn with Moon as AK? This is why Jaimini and Paraçara where not concerned about the AK-planets indications but only the Ak-signs. Best wishes, mso-table-rspace:2.25pt;mso-table-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-table-anchor-horizontal: column;mso-table-left:left;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column;mso-height-rule:exactly"> mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column;mso-height-rule:exactly">Visti Larsen mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column;mso-height-rule:exactly"> DA"> EN-US">http://srigaruda.com mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column;mso-height-rule:exactly"> DA">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4;mso-ansi-language:DA"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Maja [vakelim ] 30 December 2004 21:29 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> Dear Guru Visti, Exuse my interupt in conversation,just I have one question on subject you mentioned: > [Visti] the karakamsa sign will show how you tend to affect others in this > birth. If you do something wrong you will suffer from this in a next birth. > So the sign shows the actions you do in this birth whilst the planet shows > what you did in the last. > > -while reading some other explainings on role of AK,I understood it usualy being conected in sense-"what one should do,must to" in order to keep on right direction in this life. But does this always come like one took something of wrong way on graha indicating AK before? for example -Ma-ahimsa now,but does it mean violent before,Me- must be truthful,but did oposit before? or how else to understand that :> what you did in the last Regards Maja ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today 12.0pt"> __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com 12.0pt"> ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 Dear Visti Ji, Namaskar, I have Jupiter as AK in virgo sign and it is Vargottam also. Does it mean that in my next birth Mercury will be AK. What was the cause of Jup being AK in this birth .Does it mean that Jup. was either in sag. or in pisces in my past birth.If it is so then Jup was in which sign? How do we find the sign between Sag. and Pisces.Being Jup AK. my status was very high and I was blessed with many children in my past life, which is not so in this life. Am I approaching the correct conclusion ? Kindly show me the path whether I am correct. I have been very eagerly and conciously waiting for your postings.I sent two postings before this but none of them is replied. Please reply this one. If there is anything wrong in my postings, kindly correct me. Thanks and regards, Ramesh MishraSarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Visti, Namaskar, I have not only Mars as AK, but Mars happens to be in Scorpio Navamsa. So I would be having Mars again as my AK. What I understand is that Mars in Scorpio can give me troubles from creatures ruled by Scorpio or from some other Scorpio significations. But from my side, I am as cool as ice water… no one can say I have Mars as AK J. Regards Sarajit Visti Larsen [visti (AT) (DOT) org] Friday, December 31, 2004 4:35 AMSubject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Maja, Namaskar Simply brilliant! You got it! If Mars is AK then you beat everyone up and could not control your temper… maybe your karakamsa was in Scorpio or Aries in the past life. So in this life Mars will punish you and make everyone angry with you until you one day learn to give in and stop fighting. Point is that what about the AK in your next life? This will be indicated by the karakamsa sign… I have Cancer as the sign, so if I don’t watch out I may be reborn with Moon as AK? This is why Jaimini and Paraçara where not concerned about the AK-planets indications but only the Ak-signs. Best wishes, Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Maja [vakelim ] 30 December 2004 21:29To: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha Dear Guru Visti,Exuse my interupt in conversation,just I have one question on subject you mentioned: > [Visti] the karakamsa sign will show how you tend to affect others in this> birth. If you do something wrong you will suffer from this in a next birth.> So the sign shows the actions you do in this birth whilst the planet shows> what you did in the last.> > -while reading some other explainings on role of AK,I understood it usualy being conected in sense-"what one should do,must to" in order to keep on right direction in this life.But does this always come like one took something of wrong way on graha indicating AK before? for example-Ma-ahimsa now,but does it mean violent before,Me- must be truthful,but did oposit before?or how else to understand that :> what you did in the lastRegards New">Maja~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sarajit, Namaskar You mean as cool as Ice Tea - Moon is joined Mars in navamsa. The example I gave of Mars as AK is for beginners to understand the signficance of the yoga. I have met quie a few cool people with Mars as AK, but in all cases they have had to suffer the anger of another person. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Sarajit Poddar [sarajit (AT) (DOT) org] 01 January 2005 14:36 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">|| Jaya Jagannath || Dear Visti, Namaskar, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I have not only Mars as AK, but Mars happens to be in Scorpio Navamsa. So I would be having Mars again as my AK. What I understand is that Mars in Scorpio can give me troubles from creatures ruled by Scorpio or from some other Scorpio significations. But from my side, I am as cool as ice water… no one can say I have Mars as AK Wingdings;color:navy">J. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Regards 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Sarajit 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen [visti (AT) (DOT) org] Friday, December 31, 2004 4:35 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Maja, Namaskar Simply brilliant! You got it! If Mars is AK then you beat everyone up and could not control your temper… maybe your karakamsa was in Scorpio or Aries in the past life. So in this life Mars will punish you and make everyone angry with you until you one day learn to give in and stop fighting. Point is that what about the AK in your next life? This will be indicated by the karakamsa sign… I have Cancer as the sign, so if I don’t watch out I may be reborn with Moon as AK? This is why Jaimini and Paraçara where not concerned about the AK-planets indications but only the Ak-signs. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Maja [vakelim ] 30 December 2004 21:29 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> Dear Guru Visti, Exuse my interupt in conversation,just I have one question on subject you mentioned: > [Visti] the karakamsa sign will show how you tend to affect others in this > birth. If you do something wrong you will suffer from this in a next birth. > So the sign shows the actions you do in this birth whilst the planet shows > what you did in the last. > > -while reading some other explainings on role of AK,I understood it usualy being conected in sense-"what one should do,must to" in order to keep on right direction in this life. But does this always come like one took something of wrong way on graha indicating AK before? for example -Ma-ahimsa now,but does it mean violent before,Me- must be truthful,but did oposit before? or how else to understand that :> what you did in the last Regards Maja ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today 12.0pt"> __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com 12.0pt"> ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today 12.0pt"> ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today 12.0pt"> __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Sarajit, You mean your Atma is cool ? Or your attitude towards experience of Atma is cool ? Karu - Sarajit Poddar Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:36 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Visti, Namaskar, I have not only Mars as AK, but Mars happens to be in Scorpio Navamsa. So I would be having Mars again as my AK. What I understand is that Mars in Scorpio can give me troubles from creatures ruled by Scorpio or from some other Scorpio significations. But from my side, I am as cool as ice water… no one can say I have Mars as AK J. Regards Sarajit Visti Larsen [visti (AT) (DOT) org] Friday, December 31, 2004 4:35 AMSubject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Maja, Namaskar Simply brilliant! You got it! If Mars is AK then you beat everyone up and could not control your temper… maybe your karakamsa was in Scorpio or Aries in the past life. So in this life Mars will punish you and make everyone angry with you until you one day learn to give in and stop fighting. Point is that what about the AK in your next life? This will be indicated by the karakamsa sign… I have Cancer as the sign, so if I don’t watch out I may be reborn with Moon as AK? This is why Jaimini and Paraçara where not concerned about the AK-planets indications but only the Ak-signs. Best wishes, Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Maja [vakelim ] 30 December 2004 21:29To: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha Dear Guru Visti,Exuse my interupt in conversation,just I have one question on subject you mentioned: > [Visti] the karakamsa sign will show how you tend to affect others in this> birth. If you do something wrong you will suffer from this in a next birth.> So the sign shows the actions you do in this birth whilst the planet shows> what you did in the last.> > -while reading some other explainings on role of AK,I understood it usualy being conected in sense-"what one should do,must to" in order to keep on right direction in this life.But does this always come like one took something of wrong way on graha indicating AK before? for example-Ma-ahimsa now,but does it mean violent before,Me- must be truthful,but did oposit before?or how else to understand that :> what you did in the lastRegards Maja~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Attachment: (image/jpeg) Flag.jpg [not stored] Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">|| Jaya Jagannath || Dear Karu, Namaskar, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Never knew that my statement could be interpreted like that. I just had a good laugh… Wingdings;mso-ascii-font-family:Arial;mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;color:navy;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings">J color:navy">. I meant that by nature I am a cool person and not an aggressive sort. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Best Wishes 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Sarajit 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Karu [heen (AT) netspace (DOT) net.au] Sunday, January 02, 2005 3:03 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA font-family:Arial">Dear Sarajit, font-family:Arial">You mean your Atma is cool ? Or your attitude towards experience of Atma is cool ? font-family:Arial">Karu 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> font-family:Arial">- Sarajit Poddar font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold"> font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:36 AM font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">|| Jaya Jagannath || Dear Visti, Namaskar, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I have not only Mars as AK, but Mars happens to be in Scorpio Navamsa. So I would be having Mars again as my AK. What I understand is that Mars in Scorpio can give me troubles from creatures ruled by Scorpio or from some other Scorpio significations. But from my side, I am as cool as ice water… no one can say I have Mars as AK Wingdings;mso-ascii-font-family:Arial;mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;color:navy;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings">J color:navy">. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Regards 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Sarajit 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen [visti (AT) (DOT) org] Friday, December 31, 2004 4:35 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Maja, Namaskar Simply brilliant! You got it! If Mars is AK then you beat everyone up and could not control your temper… maybe your karakamsa was in Scorpio or Aries in the past life. So in this life Mars will punish you and make everyone angry with you until you one day learn to give in and stop fighting. Point is that what about the AK in your next life? This will be indicated by the karakamsa sign… I have Cancer as the sign, so if I don’t watch out I may be reborn with Moon as AK? This is why Jaimini and Paraçara where not concerned about the AK-planets indications but only the Ak-signs. Best wishes, mso-table-rspace:2.25pt;mso-table-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-table-anchor-horizontal: column;mso-table-left:left;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column;mso-height-rule:exactly"> mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column;mso-height-rule:exactly">Visti Larsen mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column;mso-height-rule:exactly"> DA"> EN-US">http://srigaruda.com mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column;mso-height-rule:exactly"> DA">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4;mso-ansi-language:DA"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Maja [vakelim ] 30 December 2004 21:29 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> Dear Guru Visti, Exuse my interupt in conversation,just I have one question on subject you mentioned: > [Visti] the karakamsa sign will show how you tend to affect others in this > birth. If you do something wrong you will suffer from this in a next birth. > So the sign shows the actions you do in this birth whilst the planet shows > what you did in the last. > > -while reading some other explainings on role of AK,I understood it usualy being conected in sense-"what one should do,must to" in order to keep on right direction in this life. But does this always come like one took something of wrong way on graha indicating AK before? for example -Ma-ahimsa now,but does it mean violent before,Me- must be truthful,but did oposit before? or how else to understand that :> what you did in the last Regards Maja ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today 12.0pt"> __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com 12.0pt"> ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today 12.0pt"> ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Attachment: (image/jpeg) image002.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Sarajit, Namaskar In my AK Mars Vimsottari Dasa, I experianced so much unknown anger of my mates and reasons were unknown.. Even now, I am dealing very carefully as some how I fail at most of the time. Later I found the answer. Surrender to AK ! My AK is in Virgo in D9, but I am not cool. Still learning. I think our attitudes towards our experience has nothing to do with AK, But Moon who experience all these problems. I was thinking about this, when I see your mail. That is why I asked it. BTW 13 members were attended today , and most have presented their papers and mailed to me the whole lot. If I find good works, I will let you know. Thanks Karu - Sarajit Poddar Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:59 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Karu, Namaskar, Never knew that my statement could be interpreted like that. I just had a good laugh…J. I meant that by nature I am a cool person and not an aggressive sort. Best Wishes Sarajit Karu [heen (AT) netspace (DOT) net.au] Sunday, January 02, 2005 3:03 PMSubject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Sarajit, You mean your Atma is cool ? Or your attitude towards experience of Atma is cool ? Karu - Sarajit Poddar Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:36 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Visti, Namaskar, I have not only Mars as AK, but Mars happens to be in Scorpio Navamsa. So I would be having Mars again as my AK. What I understand is that Mars in Scorpio can give me troubles from creatures ruled by Scorpio or from some other Scorpio significations. But from my side, I am as cool as ice water… no one can say I have Mars as AK J. Regards Sarajit Visti Larsen [visti (AT) (DOT) org] Friday, December 31, 2004 4:35 AMSubject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Maja, Namaskar Simply brilliant! You got it! If Mars is AK then you beat everyone up and could not control your temper… maybe your karakamsa was in Scorpio or Aries in the past life. So in this life Mars will punish you and make everyone angry with you until you one day learn to give in and stop fighting. Point is that what about the AK in your next life? This will be indicated by the karakamsa sign… I have Cancer as the sign, so if I don’t watch out I may be reborn with Moon as AK? This is why Jaimini and Paraçara where not concerned about the AK-planets indications but only the Ak-signs. Best wishes, Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Maja [vakelim ] 30 December 2004 21:29To: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha Dear Guru Visti,Exuse my interupt in conversation,just I have one question on subject you mentioned: > [Visti] the karakamsa sign will show how you tend to affect others in this> birth. If you do something wrong you will suffer from this in a next birth.> So the sign shows the actions you do in this birth whilst the planet shows> what you did in the last.> > -while reading some other explainings on role of AK,I understood it usualy being conected in sense-"what one should do,must to" in order to keep on right direction in this life.But does this always come like one took something of wrong way on graha indicating AK before? for example-Ma-ahimsa now,but does it mean violent before,Me- must be truthful,but did oposit before?or how else to understand that :> what you did in the lastRegards Maja~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ravish, Namaskar Comments below. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ravish [smart_rapheal ] 31 December 2004 05:10 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Vistiji, "Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka Bhavani" meaning only the mother can keep us on the right track ? font-style:italic">[Visti] Yes, our Gati or direction is dependant on the 4th house, where the mother sits. The direction of the soul is seen from the 4th from karakamsa. font-family:"Courier New""> In your chart too you have Venus in 4th(Libra) from your Karkamsa(Cancer). font-style:italic">[Visti] So my soul is moving on this path in a very auspicious way, and so whenever I worship Sri Kamalatmika, this path becomes much much stronger. font-family:"Courier New""> So can we infer that influence of Ve, Mo (& other benefics) on 4th from Karkamsa will help the native on the right path ? font-style:italic"> font-style:italic">[Visti] Yes definitely. Especially Venus and Moon are good there, as they get digbala, and the atma chooses that direction in life. font-family:"Courier New""> I have no planets in 4th from karkamsa, but Me, Ve & Ju aspect it with rashi drishti. If 4th is such a influence then if one has benefic influences on the 4th, one should pray to such a diety for guidance on right path, correct ? font-style:italic">[Visti] Also if they are malefic influences, then that deity in the form of a Mahavidya should be prayed to, to get over the durgati. font-family:"Courier New""> I did see the punya chart of Srila Prabhupada, but mokshakaraka Ke is in Pisces in 5th from the ascendant Scorpio. AK Sun though is in 12th. Please help me understand this chart..... font-style:italic">[Visti] In a Punya chart, the presence of Jupiter is very important, as anything that Jupiter aspects is like the dristi of Bhagavan. In this chart, the 7th house shows rebirth, the 6th shows punishment and the 8th shows some suffering. Planets in these places shows what one must undergo. font-style:italic">One strong Jupiter in Lagna in this chart can forgive almost all sins and give moksha. In this chart a Gajakesari Yoga is there, showing his immense bhakti towards Bhagavan Sri Krishna. font-style:italic">This is because the lagna in this chart will show the nature of death, i.e. were your thoughts solely on God or what happened? Do you see Gulika and Mandi there? This is not a good death, but atleast peaceful (Jupiter). font-family:"Courier New""> Vistiji, I was under the impression that even ordinary mortals by their good deeds alone were capable of attaining Moksha, hence was taking the example of my colleague's. I will attempt the charts you have given & put forward the questions I have.... font-style:italic">[Visti] Good deed will send you to Svarga Loka, but may not give you moksha. font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you, Warm Regards, Ravish , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > - Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka Bhavani - > > Comments below. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 30 December 2004 09:22 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > Thank you for clarifying. I was looking into the chart of a great > personality, Srila Prabhupada. He had no planets in 4th house in Rasi. > But Ketu, Moon, Sun & Mercury do influence it by rashi drishti. So we > can say he was on a path to moksha. But interestingly since Ra is his > AK (indicating high degree of spiritual progress in life), Ke is not > in 12th from his AK in Navamsa (of course it cannot be...). Instead it > is Sun, so what do we make of this ? > > > > [Visti] We have to analyze 4th from karakamsa – not rasi chart!! We wanto > know the path of the soul. For Srila Prabhupada, the 4th from karakamsa has > Venus – hence his ghati was blessed. > > > > > I understand that we need to also see the demise chart to be sure of > moksha, I do not have this, perhaps if you could help me out with this... > > > > [Visti] > > His puñya chart is well known. > > Srila Prabhupada - Punya > > Natal Chart > > November 14, 1977 > > Time: 7:30:00 pm > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 77 E 42' 00", 27 N 35' 00" > > Vrindavan, India' > > > Another chart I considered was that of a colleagues, who has a Sc > ascendant with Me AK placed in 2nd house with Ve. 4th house Aquarius > has no planets but is under aspect from Ketu (from Aries)with rashi > drishti & retrograde Sa from Cancer. In her Navamsa she has Me placed > in Sg navamsa, with Ketu placed in Scorpio. Can we consider that she > is on the path to moksha ? > > > > [Visti] Even those who become sadhus do not all get moksha, what to talk of > people in your office??? > > Instead here are some charts you can look at. > > > > Aurobindo Ghosh > > August 15, 1872 > > Time: 5:08:00 am > > Time Zone: 5:53:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00" > > > > Sri Lahiri Mahasya > > September 30, 1828 > > Time: 9:01:00 am > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 87 E 05' 00", 26 N 28' 00" > > India, 1 > > Sri Achyuta Dasa > > January 30, 1510 > > Time: 9:58:38 pm > > Time Zone: 5:43:20 (East of GMT) > > Place: 85 E 50' 00", 20 N 30' 00" > > Cuttack, India > > > > Paramahamsa Yogananda > > January 5, 1893 > > Time: 8:58:20 pm > > Time Zone: 5:30:44 (East of GMT) > > Place: 75 E 41' 00", 29 N 27' 00" > > Gorakhpur, India > > > > Sankaracharya - Chandrasekhara Saraswathi > > May 20, 1894 > > Time: 1:26:00 pm > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 79 E 32' 00", 11 N 57' 00" > > > > Sankaracharya - Jayendra Saraswati > > July 18, 1935 > > Time: 7:00:00 pm > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 79 E 26' 00", 10 N 42' 00" > > > > Ramana Maharishi > > December 30, 1879 > > Time: 1:00:00 am > > Time Zone: 5:12:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 78 E 07' 00", 9 N 56' 00" > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahansa > > February 18, 1836 > > Time: 6:23:00 am > > Time Zone: 5:51:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 87 E 44' 00", 22 N 53' 00" > > > > Sarada Ma > > December 22, 1853 > > Time: 7:15:00 pm > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 87 E 07' 00", 23 N 14' 00" > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > January 12, 1863 > > Time: 6:33:00 am > > Time Zone: 5:53:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00" > > > > > > > > > Details:- > Feb 5 1976 > 1:00:00 AM IST > 80 E 17 > 13 N 05 > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > First let us be straight on one thing – that which is getting moksha > from > > rebirth is the atma and not the dhi. So the 12th from Lagna is the > moksha > > for dhi and this is attained every night through sleeping, but this > does not > > liberate the atma. > > > > Having understood this, we know now that all those combinations > related to > > moksha in the 12th from Lagna, must be either: > > > > 1) related to Ätmakäraka > > > > or > > > > 2) related to the death chart, where the 12th from lagna shows > whether > > > we get moksha or not. > > > > > > > > Secondly when we talk of moksha, the vedas agree that Vishnu is the > granter > > and the role of God in our life must be seen from the navamsa, so we can > > only infer that moksha comes to the 12th from AK in D9. > > > > > > > > Now that this is settled, Parasara and jaimini have given us some > > combinations to look for: > > > > * Malefics in 12th from karakamsa send one to an > inauspicious abode, > > whilst benefic ones send one to an auspicious abode. > > > > * Ketu in 12th from karakamsa gives liberation. > > > > * Malefics in the 4th house deny moksha, as they give durgati or > > lead one on the wrong path, whilst benefics will do the opposite. > > > > * Ketu in 4th grants moksha. > > > > The two latter statements will reveal whether the persons atma is on > a path > > conducive towards moksha. This is where the Moon and Venus receive > digbala > > and will put one on the spiritual path of liberation. You can check > this in > > the charts you see, but in all cases… you need to see the chart of > demise to > > be sure. > > > > > > > > As for differences in types of moksha. They say there are 4 types of > moksha > > depending on your level of awareness – most likely the saints had a > higher > > level of awareness, but this is not something I have learnt to > measure yet. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > 29 December 2004 14:48 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > > > Few of the charts we see, show indications of moksha from the re-birth > > cycle. Some of the indications are possibly, > > > > A) Ketu in watery sign, in 12th from the lagna > > > > B) Ketu in 12th from AK in Navamsa. > > > > Please correct me if I have got the above combinations incorrect or > > missed out on some additional combinations. > > > > My question here however is: > > > > These people may lead a very normal life & may possibly sin or not in > > this life, so is mokhsa assured ? 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Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ramesh, Namaskar I’m sorry, but I ignore some posts if the questions have been answered before, or I when I feel that I can answer the querries through other means. Some very basic posts I hope some of my students will answer, so that I can focus on the more indepth topics. This principle about the karakamsa and the AK is not certain. Your AK is chosen based on something you did in the previous birth, which required that you learn the lessons of Jupiter. Now if you do not learn those lessons and continue to perform the same mistakes, then who is to say that you will get a new AK? Maybe you have had Jupiter as AK for several births. But we can say that the tendency in the person is very strongly indicated by the sign of the karakamsa and the planets in it. We cannot be sure of what the person has done to overcome or increase the mistakes, until we have seen the prasna chart or the death chart. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">ramesh mishra [aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in] 01 January 2005 15:08 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> II Om Namo Narayanaa II Dear Visti Ji, Namaskar, I have Jupiter as AK in virgo sign and it is Vargottam also. Does it mean that in my next birth Mercury will be AK. What was the cause of Jup being AK in this birth .Does it mean that Jup. was either in sag. or in pisces in my past birth.If it is so then Jup was in which sign? How do we find the sign between Sag. and Pisces.Being Jup AK. my status was very high and I was blessed with many children in my past life, which is not so in this life. Am I approaching the correct conclusion ? Kindly show me the path whether I am correct. I have been very eagerly and conciously waiting for your postings.I sent two postings before this but none of them is replied. Please reply this one. If there is anything wrong in my postings, kindly correct me. Thanks and regards, Ramesh Mishra Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">|| Jaya Jagannath || Dear Visti, Namaskar, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I have not only Mars as AK, but Mars happens to be in Scorpio Navamsa. So I would be having Mars again as my AK. What I understand is that Mars in Scorpio can give me troubles from creatures ruled by Scorpio or from some other Scorpio significations. But from my side, I am as cool as ice water… no one can say I have Mars as AK Wingdings;color:navy">J. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Regards 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Sarajit 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen [visti (AT) (DOT) org] Friday, December 31, 2004 4:35 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Maja, Namaskar Simply brilliant! You got it! If Mars is AK then you beat everyone up and could not control your temper… maybe your karakamsa was in Scorpio or Aries in the past life. So in this life Mars will punish you and make everyone angry with you until you one day learn to give in and stop fighting. Point is that what about the AK in your next life? This will be indicated by the karakamsa sign… I have Cancer as the sign, so if I don’t watch out I may be reborn with Moon as AK? This is why Jaimini and Paraçara where not concerned about the AK-planets indications but only the Ak-signs. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Maja [vakelim ] 30 December 2004 21:29 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> Dear Guru Visti, Exuse my interupt in conversation,just I have one question on subject you mentioned: > [Visti] the karakamsa sign will show how you tend to affect others in this > birth. If you do something wrong you will suffer from this in a next birth. > So the sign shows the actions you do in this birth whilst the planet shows > what you did in the last. > > -while reading some other explainings on role of AK,I understood it usualy being conected in sense-"what one should do,must to" in order to keep on right direction in this life. But does this always come like one took something of wrong way on graha indicating AK before? for example -Ma-ahimsa now,but does it mean violent before,Me- must be truthful,but did oposit before? or how else to understand that :> what you did in the last Regards Maja ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today 12.0pt"> __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com 12.0pt"> ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. 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Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Dear Visti,Namaskar Can you please share some more on the intricacies of a Punya chart ? Regards, Sameer , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > Comments below. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 31 December 2004 05:10 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > "Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka Bhavani" meaning only the mother can > keep us on the right track ? > > > > [Visti] Yes, our Gati or direction is dependant on the 4th house, where the > mother sits. The direction of the soul is seen from the 4th from karakamsa. > > > In your chart too you have Venus in 4th(Libra) from your Karkamsa (Cancer). > > > > [Visti] So my soul is moving on this path in a very auspicious way, and so > whenever I worship Sri Kamalatmika, this path becomes much much stronger. > > > So can we infer that influence of Ve, Mo (& other benefics) on 4th > from Karkamsa will help the native on the right path ? > > > > [Visti] Yes definitely. Especially Venus and Moon are good there, as they > get digbala, and the atma chooses that direction in life. > > > I have no planets in 4th from karkamsa, but Me, Ve & Ju aspect it with > rashi drishti. If 4th is such a influence then if one has benefic > influences on the 4th, one should pray to such a diety for guidance on > right path, correct ? > > > > [Visti] Also if they are malefic influences, then that deity in the form of > a Mahavidya should be prayed to, to get over the durgati. > > > I did see the punya chart of Srila Prabhupada, but mokshakaraka Ke is > in Pisces in 5th from the ascendant Scorpio. AK Sun though is in 12th. > Please help me understand this chart..... > > > > [Visti] In a Punya chart, the presence of Jupiter is very important, as > anything that Jupiter aspects is like the dristi of Bhagavan. In this chart, > the 7th house shows rebirth, the 6th shows punishment and the 8th shows some > suffering. Planets in these places shows what one must undergo. > > One strong Jupiter in Lagna in this chart can forgive almost all sins and > give moksha. In this chart a Gajakesari Yoga is there, showing his immense > bhakti towards Bhagavan Sri Krishna. > > This is because the lagna in this chart will show the nature of death, i.e. > were your thoughts solely on God or what happened? Do you see Gulika and > Mandi there? This is not a good death, but atleast peaceful (Jupiter). > > > Vistiji, I was under the impression that even ordinary mortals by > their good deeds alone were capable of attaining Moksha, hence was > taking the example of my colleague's. I will attempt the charts you > have given & put forward the questions I have.... > > > > [Visti] Good deed will send you to Svarga Loka, but may not give you moksha. > > > Thank you, > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > - Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka Bhavani - > > > > Comments below. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > 30 December 2004 09:22 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > Thank you for clarifying. I was looking into the chart of a great > > personality, Srila Prabhupada. He had no planets in 4th house in Rasi. > > But Ketu, Moon, Sun & Mercury do influence it by rashi drishti. So we > > can say he was on a path to moksha. But interestingly since Ra is his > > AK (indicating high degree of spiritual progress in life), Ke is not > > in 12th from his AK in Navamsa (of course it cannot be...). Instead it > > is Sun, so what do we make of this ? > > > > > > > > [Visti] We have to analyze 4th from karakamsa – not rasi chart!! We > wanto > > know the path of the soul. For Srila Prabhupada, the 4th from > karakamsa has > > Venus – hence his ghati was blessed. > > > > > > > > > > I understand that we need to also see the demise chart to be sure of > > moksha, I do not have this, perhaps if you could help me out with > this... > > > > > > > > [Visti] > > > > His puñya chart is well known. > > > > Srila Prabhupada - Punya > > > > Natal Chart > > > > November 14, 1977 > > > > Time: 7:30:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 77 E 42' 00", 27 N 35' 00" > > > > Vrindavan, India' > > > > > > Another chart I considered was that of a colleagues, who has a Sc > > ascendant with Me AK placed in 2nd house with Ve. 4th house Aquarius > > has no planets but is under aspect from Ketu (from Aries)with rashi > > drishti & retrograde Sa from Cancer. In her Navamsa she has Me placed > > in Sg navamsa, with Ketu placed in Scorpio. Can we consider that she > > is on the path to moksha ? > > > > > > > > [Visti] Even those who become sadhus do not all get moksha, what to > talk of > > people in your office??? > > > > Instead here are some charts you can look at. > > > > > > > > Aurobindo Ghosh > > > > August 15, 1872 > > > > Time: 5:08:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 5:53:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00" > > > > > > > > Sri Lahiri Mahasya > > > > September 30, 1828 > > > > Time: 9:01:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 87 E 05' 00", 26 N 28' 00" > > > > India, 1 > > > > Sri Achyuta Dasa > > > > January 30, 1510 > > > > Time: 9:58:38 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:43:20 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 85 E 50' 00", 20 N 30' 00" > > > > Cuttack, India > > > > > > > > Paramahamsa Yogananda > > > > January 5, 1893 > > > > Time: 8:58:20 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:44 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 75 E 41' 00", 29 N 27' 00" > > > > Gorakhpur, India > > > > > > > > Sankaracharya - Chandrasekhara Saraswathi > > > > May 20, 1894 > > > > Time: 1:26:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 79 E 32' 00", 11 N 57' 00" > > > > > > > > Sankaracharya - Jayendra Saraswati > > > > July 18, 1935 > > > > Time: 7:00:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 79 E 26' 00", 10 N 42' 00" > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharishi > > > > December 30, 1879 > > > > Time: 1:00:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 5:12:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 78 E 07' 00", 9 N 56' 00" > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahansa > > > > February 18, 1836 > > > > Time: 6:23:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 5:51:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 87 E 44' 00", 22 N 53' 00" > > > > > > > > Sarada Ma > > > > December 22, 1853 > > > > Time: 7:15:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 87 E 07' 00", 23 N 14' 00" > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > January 12, 1863 > > > > Time: 6:33:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 5:53:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Details:- > > Feb 5 1976 > > 1:00:00 AM IST > > 80 E 17 > > 13 N 05 > > > > Warm Regards, > > Ravish > > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > > > First let us be straight on one thing – that which is getting moksha > > from > > > rebirth is the atma and not the dhi. So the 12th from Lagna is the > > moksha > > > for dhi and this is attained every night through sleeping, but this > > does not > > > liberate the atma. > > > > > > Having understood this, we know now that all those combinations > > related to > > > moksha in the 12th from Lagna, must be either: > > > > > > 1) related to Ätmakäraka > > > > > > or > > > > > > 2) related to the death chart, where the 12th from lagna shows > > whether > > > > > we get moksha or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly when we talk of moksha, the vedas agree that Vishnu is the > > granter > > > and the role of God in our life must be seen from the navamsa, so > we can > > > only infer that moksha comes to the 12th from AK in D9. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that this is settled, Parasara and jaimini have given us some > > > combinations to look for: > > > > > > * Malefics in 12th from karakamsa send one to an > > inauspicious abode, > > > whilst benefic ones send one to an auspicious abode. > > > > > > * Ketu in 12th from karakamsa gives liberation. > > > > > > * Malefics in the 4th house deny moksha, as they give > durgati or > > > lead one on the wrong path, whilst benefics will do the opposite. > > > > > > * Ketu in 4th grants moksha. > > > > > > The two latter statements will reveal whether the persons atma is on > > a path > > > conducive towards moksha. This is where the Moon and Venus receive > > digbala > > > and will put one on the spiritual path of liberation. You can check > > this in > > > the charts you see, but in all cases… you need to see the chart of > > demise to > > > be sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for differences in types of moksha. They say there are 4 types of > > moksha > > > depending on your level of awareness – most likely the saints had a > > higher > > > level of awareness, but this is not something I have learnt to > > measure yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > > 29 December 2004 14:48 > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > > > > > Few of the charts we see, show indications of moksha from the re-birth > > > cycle. Some of the indications are possibly, > > > > > > A) Ketu in watery sign, in 12th from the lagna > > > > > > B) Ketu in 12th from AK in Navamsa. > > > > > > Please correct me if I have got the above combinations incorrect or > > > missed out on some additional combinations. > > > > > > My question here however is: > > > > > > These people may lead a very normal life & may possibly sin or not in > > > this life, so is mokhsa assured ? 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Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Dear Vistiji, Thank you for your comments and explainations. Some other question has arose now, " Yes, our Gati or direction is dependant on the 4th house, where the mother sits. The direction of the soul is seen from the 4th from karakamsa." Ishta devatha is seen from 12th from Karkamsa. Ishta devatha is the deity who will lead us to moksha. So will not praying to our istha devatha lead us on the right path ? Or is it that worshipping the maha-vidya form of the planets present in or influencing the 4th from karkamsa will strengthen our path ? Influence of Me, Ve & Ju on 4th from karkamsa, so which deity should I worship ? Punya Chart: ------------ Ju® in 8th in the punya chart. So the death was peaceful. But Mandi & Gulika are in 4th, you say not good because they aspect the 6th, showing punishment ? But then the question would arise, why punishment for such a great soul ? Warm Regards, Ravish , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > Comments below. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 31 December 2004 05:10 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > "Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka Bhavani" meaning only the mother can > keep us on the right track ? > > > > [Visti] Yes, our Gati or direction is dependant on the 4th house, where the > mother sits. The direction of the soul is seen from the 4th from karakamsa. > > > In your chart too you have Venus in 4th(Libra) from your Karkamsa(Cancer). > > > > [Visti] So my soul is moving on this path in a very auspicious way, and so > whenever I worship Sri Kamalatmika, this path becomes much much stronger. > > > So can we infer that influence of Ve, Mo (& other benefics) on 4th > from Karkamsa will help the native on the right path ? > > > > [Visti] Yes definitely. Especially Venus and Moon are good there, as they > get digbala, and the atma chooses that direction in life. > > > I have no planets in 4th from karkamsa, but Me, Ve & Ju aspect it with > rashi drishti. If 4th is such a influence then if one has benefic > influences on the 4th, one should pray to such a diety for guidance on > right path, correct ? > > > > [Visti] Also if they are malefic influences, then that deity in the form of > a Mahavidya should be prayed to, to get over the durgati. > > > I did see the punya chart of Srila Prabhupada, but mokshakaraka Ke is > in Pisces in 5th from the ascendant Scorpio. AK Sun though is in 12th. > Please help me understand this chart..... > > > > [Visti] In a Punya chart, the presence of Jupiter is very important, as > anything that Jupiter aspects is like the dristi of Bhagavan. In this chart, > the 7th house shows rebirth, the 6th shows punishment and the 8th shows some > suffering. Planets in these places shows what one must undergo. > > One strong Jupiter in Lagna in this chart can forgive almost all sins and > give moksha. In this chart a Gajakesari Yoga is there, showing his immense > bhakti towards Bhagavan Sri Krishna. > > This is because the lagna in this chart will show the nature of death, i.e. > were your thoughts solely on God or what happened? Do you see Gulika and > Mandi there? This is not a good death, but atleast peaceful (Jupiter). > > > Vistiji, I was under the impression that even ordinary mortals by > their good deeds alone were capable of attaining Moksha, hence was > taking the example of my colleague's. I will attempt the charts you > have given & put forward the questions I have.... > > > > [Visti] Good deed will send you to Svarga Loka, but may not give you moksha. > > > Thank you, > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > - Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka Bhavani - > > > > Comments below. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > 30 December 2004 09:22 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > Thank you for clarifying. I was looking into the chart of a great > > personality, Srila Prabhupada. He had no planets in 4th house in Rasi. > > But Ketu, Moon, Sun & Mercury do influence it by rashi drishti. So we > > can say he was on a path to moksha. But interestingly since Ra is his > > AK (indicating high degree of spiritual progress in life), Ke is not > > in 12th from his AK in Navamsa (of course it cannot be...). Instead it > > is Sun, so what do we make of this ? > > > > > > > > [Visti] We have to analyze 4th from karakamsa – not rasi chart!! We > wanto > > know the path of the soul. For Srila Prabhupada, the 4th from > karakamsa has > > Venus – hence his ghati was blessed. > > > > > > > > > > I understand that we need to also see the demise chart to be sure of > > moksha, I do not have this, perhaps if you could help me out with > this... > > > > > > > > [Visti] > > > > His puñya chart is well known. > > > > Srila Prabhupada - Punya > > > > Natal Chart > > > > November 14, 1977 > > > > Time: 7:30:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 77 E 42' 00", 27 N 35' 00" > > > > Vrindavan, India' > > > > > > Another chart I considered was that of a colleagues, who has a Sc > > ascendant with Me AK placed in 2nd house with Ve. 4th house Aquarius > > has no planets but is under aspect from Ketu (from Aries)with rashi > > drishti & retrograde Sa from Cancer. In her Navamsa she has Me placed > > in Sg navamsa, with Ketu placed in Scorpio. Can we consider that she > > is on the path to moksha ? > > > > > > > > [Visti] Even those who become sadhus do not all get moksha, what to > talk of > > people in your office??? > > > > Instead here are some charts you can look at. > > > > > > > > Aurobindo Ghosh > > > > August 15, 1872 > > > > Time: 5:08:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 5:53:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00" > > > > > > > > Sri Lahiri Mahasya > > > > September 30, 1828 > > > > Time: 9:01:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 87 E 05' 00", 26 N 28' 00" > > > > India, 1 > > > > Sri Achyuta Dasa > > > > January 30, 1510 > > > > Time: 9:58:38 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:43:20 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 85 E 50' 00", 20 N 30' 00" > > > > Cuttack, India > > > > > > > > Paramahamsa Yogananda > > > > January 5, 1893 > > > > Time: 8:58:20 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:44 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 75 E 41' 00", 29 N 27' 00" > > > > Gorakhpur, India > > > > > > > > Sankaracharya - Chandrasekhara Saraswathi > > > > May 20, 1894 > > > > Time: 1:26:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 79 E 32' 00", 11 N 57' 00" > > > > > > > > Sankaracharya - Jayendra Saraswati > > > > July 18, 1935 > > > > Time: 7:00:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 79 E 26' 00", 10 N 42' 00" > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharishi > > > > December 30, 1879 > > > > Time: 1:00:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 5:12:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 78 E 07' 00", 9 N 56' 00" > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahansa > > > > February 18, 1836 > > > > Time: 6:23:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 5:51:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 87 E 44' 00", 22 N 53' 00" > > > > > > > > Sarada Ma > > > > December 22, 1853 > > > > Time: 7:15:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 87 E 07' 00", 23 N 14' 00" > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > January 12, 1863 > > > > Time: 6:33:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 5:53:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Details:- > > Feb 5 1976 > > 1:00:00 AM IST > > 80 E 17 > > 13 N 05 > > > > Warm Regards, > > Ravish > > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > > > First let us be straight on one thing – that which is getting moksha > > from > > > rebirth is the atma and not the dhi. So the 12th from Lagna is the > > moksha > > > for dhi and this is attained every night through sleeping, but this > > does not > > > liberate the atma. > > > > > > Having understood this, we know now that all those combinations > > related to > > > moksha in the 12th from Lagna, must be either: > > > > > > 1) related to Ätmakäraka > > > > > > or > > > > > > 2) related to the death chart, where the 12th from lagna shows > > whether > > > > > we get moksha or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly when we talk of moksha, the vedas agree that Vishnu is the > > granter > > > and the role of God in our life must be seen from the navamsa, so > we can > > > only infer that moksha comes to the 12th from AK in D9. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that this is settled, Parasara and jaimini have given us some > > > combinations to look for: > > > > > > * Malefics in 12th from karakamsa send one to an > > inauspicious abode, > > > whilst benefic ones send one to an auspicious abode. > > > > > > * Ketu in 12th from karakamsa gives liberation. > > > > > > * Malefics in the 4th house deny moksha, as they give > durgati or > > > lead one on the wrong path, whilst benefics will do the opposite. > > > > > > * Ketu in 4th grants moksha. > > > > > > The two latter statements will reveal whether the persons atma is on > > a path > > > conducive towards moksha. This is where the Moon and Venus receive > > digbala > > > and will put one on the spiritual path of liberation. You can check > > this in > > > the charts you see, but in all cases… you need to see the chart of > > demise to > > > be sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for differences in types of moksha. They say there are 4 types of > > moksha > > > depending on your level of awareness – most likely the saints had a > > higher > > > level of awareness, but this is not something I have learnt to > > measure yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > > 29 December 2004 14:48 > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > > > > > Few of the charts we see, show indications of moksha from the re-birth > > > cycle. Some of the indications are possibly, > > > > > > A) Ketu in watery sign, in 12th from the lagna > > > > > > B) Ketu in 12th from AK in Navamsa. > > > > > > Please correct me if I have got the above combinations incorrect or > > > missed out on some additional combinations. > > > > > > My question here however is: > > > > > > These people may lead a very normal life & may possibly sin or not in > > > this life, so is mokhsa assured ? 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Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Samir, Namaskar Almost every classic has given a way to analyze the death chart. The last slokas of the “Maraka” chapter of Parasara deals with this, and which loka one will go to. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">sameer_sawhney [icecoolsam (AT) vsnl (DOT) net] 02 January 2005 14:43 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Visti,Namaskar Can you please share some more on the intricacies of a Punya chart ? Regards, Sameer , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > Comments below. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 31 December 2004 05:10 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > "Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka Bhavani" meaning only the mother can > keep us on the right track ? > > > > [Visti] Yes, our Gati or direction is dependant on the 4th house, where the > mother sits. The direction of the soul is seen from the 4th from karakamsa. > > > In your chart too you have Venus in 4th(Libra) from your Karkamsa (Cancer). > > > > [Visti] So my soul is moving on this path in a very auspicious way, and so > whenever I worship Sri Kamalatmika, this path becomes much much stronger. > > > So can we infer that influence of Ve, Mo (& other benefics) on 4th > from Karkamsa will help the native on the right path ? > > > > [Visti] Yes definitely. Especially Venus and Moon are good there, as they > get digbala, and the atma chooses that direction in life. > > > I have no planets in 4th from karkamsa, but Me, Ve & Ju aspect it with > rashi drishti. If 4th is such a influence then if one has benefic > influences on the 4th, one should pray to such a diety for guidance on > right path, correct ? > > > > [Visti] Also if they are malefic influences, then that deity in the form of > a Mahavidya should be prayed to, to get over the durgati. > > > I did see the punya chart of Srila Prabhupada, but mokshakaraka Ke is > in Pisces in 5th from the ascendant Scorpio. AK Sun though is in 12th. > Please help me understand this chart..... > > > > [Visti] In a Punya chart, the presence of Jupiter is very important, as > anything that Jupiter aspects is like the dristi of Bhagavan. In this chart, > the 7th house shows rebirth, the 6th shows punishment and the 8th shows some > suffering. Planets in these places shows what one must undergo. > > One strong Jupiter in Lagna in this chart can forgive almost all sins and > give moksha. In this chart a Gajakesari Yoga is there, showing his immense > bhakti towards Bhagavan Sri Krishna. > > This is because the lagna in this chart will show the nature of death, i.e. > were your thoughts solely on God or what happened? Do you see Gulika and > Mandi there? This is not a good death, but atleast peaceful (Jupiter). > > > Vistiji, I was under the impression that even ordinary mortals by > their good deeds alone were capable of attaining Moksha, hence was > taking the example of my colleague's. I will attempt the charts you > have given & put forward the questions I have.... > > > > [Visti] Good deed will send you to Svarga Loka, but may not give you moksha. > > > Thank you, > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > - Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka Bhavani - > > > > Comments below. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > 30 December 2004 09:22 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > Thank you for clarifying. I was looking into the chart of a great > > personality, Srila Prabhupada. He had no planets in 4th house in Rasi. > > But Ketu, Moon, Sun & Mercury do influence it by rashi drishti. So we > > can say he was on a path to moksha. But interestingly since Ra is his > > AK (indicating high degree of spiritual progress in life), Ke is not > > in 12th from his AK in Navamsa (of course it cannot be...). Instead it > > is Sun, so what do we make of this ? > > > > > > > > [Visti] We have to analyze 4th from karakamsa – not rasi chart!! We > wanto > > know the path of the soul. For Srila Prabhupada, the 4th from > karakamsa has > > Venus – hence his ghati was blessed. > > > > > > > > > > I understand that we need to also see the demise chart to be sure of > > moksha, I do not have this, perhaps if you could help me out with > this... > > > > > > > > [Visti] > > > > His puñya chart is well known. > > > > Srila Prabhupada - Punya > > > > Natal Chart > > > > November 14, 1977 > > > > Time: 7:30:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 77 E 42' 00", 27 N 35' 00" > > > > Vrindavan, India' > > > > > > Another chart I considered was that of a colleagues, who has a Sc > > ascendant with Me AK placed in 2nd house with Ve. 4th house Aquarius > > has no planets but is under aspect from Ketu (from Aries)with rashi > > drishti & retrograde Sa from Cancer. In her Navamsa she has Me placed > > in Sg navamsa, with Ketu placed in Scorpio. Can we consider that she > > is on the path to moksha ? > > > > > > > > [Visti] Even those who become sadhus do not all get moksha, what to > talk of > > people in your office??? > > > > Instead here are some charts you can look at. > > > > > > > > Aurobindo Ghosh > > > > August 15, 1872 > > > > Time: 5:08:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 5:53:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00" > > > > > > > > Sri Lahiri Mahasya > > > > September 30, 1828 > > > > Time: 9:01:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 87 E 05' 00", 26 N 28' 00" > > > > India, 1 > > > > Sri Achyuta Dasa > > > > January 30, 1510 > > > > Time: 9:58:38 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:43:20 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 85 E 50' 00", 20 N 30' 00" > > > > Cuttack, India > > > > > > > > Paramahamsa Yogananda > > > > January 5, 1893 > > > > Time: 8:58:20 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:44 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 75 E 41' 00", 29 N 27' 00" > > > > Gorakhpur, India > > > > > > > > Sankaracharya - Chandrasekhara Saraswathi > > > > May 20, 1894 > > > > Time: 1:26:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 79 E 32' 00", 11 N 57' 00" > > > > > > > > Sankaracharya - Jayendra Saraswati > > > > July 18, 1935 > > > > Time: 7:00:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 79 E 26' 00", 10 N 42' 00" > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharishi > > > > December 30, 1879 > > > > Time: 1:00:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 5:12:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 78 E 07' 00", 9 N 56' 00" > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahansa > > > > February 18, 1836 > > > > Time: 6:23:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 5:51:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 87 E 44' 00", 22 N 53' 00" > > > > > > > > Sarada Ma > > > > December 22, 1853 > > > > Time: 7:15:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 87 E 07' 00", 23 N 14' 00" > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > January 12, 1863 > > > > Time: 6:33:00 am > > > > Time Zone: 5:53:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Details:- > > Feb 5 1976 > > 1:00:00 AM IST > > 80 E 17 > > 13 N 05 > > > > Warm Regards, > > Ravish > > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > > > First let us be straight on one thing – that which is getting moksha > > from > > > rebirth is the atma and not the dhi. So the 12th from Lagna is the > > moksha > > > for dhi and this is attained every night through sleeping, but this > > does not > > > liberate the atma. > > > > > > Having understood this, we know now that all those combinations > > related to > > > moksha in the 12th from Lagna, must be either: > > > > > > 1) related to Ätmakäraka > > > > > > or > > > > > > 2) related to the death chart, where the 12th from lagna shows > > whether > > > > > we get moksha or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly when we talk of moksha, the vedas agree that Vishnu is the > > granter > > > and the role of God in our life must be seen from the navamsa, so > we can > > > only infer that moksha comes to the 12th from AK in D9. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that this is settled, Parasara and jaimini have given us some > > > combinations to look for: > > > > > > * Malefics in 12th from karakamsa send one to an > > inauspicious abode, > > > whilst benefic ones send one to an auspicious abode. > > > > > > * Ketu in 12th from karakamsa gives liberation. > > > > > > * Malefics in the 4th house deny moksha, as they give > durgati or > > > lead one on the wrong path, whilst benefics will do the opposite. > > > > > > * Ketu in 4th grants moksha. > > > > > > The two latter statements will reveal whether the persons atma is on > > a path > > > conducive towards moksha. This is where the Moon and Venus receive > > digbala > > > and will put one on the spiritual path of liberation. You can check > > this in > > > the charts you see, but in all cases… you need to see the chart of > > demise to > > > be sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for differences in types of moksha. They say there are 4 types of > > moksha > > > depending on your level of awareness – most likely the saints had a > > higher > > > level of awareness, but this is not something I have learnt to > > measure yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > > 29 December 2004 14:48 > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Moksha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > > > > > Few of the charts we see, show indications of moksha from the re-birth > > > cycle. Some of the indications are possibly, > > > > > > A) Ketu in watery sign, in 12th from the lagna > > > > > > B) Ketu in 12th from AK in Navamsa. > > > > > > Please correct me if I have got the above combinations incorrect or > > > missed out on some additional combinations. > > > > > > My question here however is: > > > > > > These people may lead a very normal life & may possibly sin or not in > > > this life, so is mokhsa assured ? 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