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Who decides what is right or wrong behavior, and the "corrective measures"

that are "needed," and what if nobody can agree? I think we ought to be

careful about being judgmental; as such we cater to our own egos. Isn't

compassion more than an ordinary mood, but a state of being we aspire to

maintain?

 

In a message dated 8/9/02 9:25:05 AM EST, Ammachi writes:

 

<< Each situation has it's Dharma. Therefore,

a rudely acting or otherwise improperly acting

sevite should be given corrective advice, etc.

This doesn't necessarily imply or require

"compassion" so to say, just the corrective

measures needed. Someone being corrected

either subtly or directly may not take your

actions or words seriously if they sense

"compassion". In other words, they'll

go off what they feel from you rather

than what you're trying to communicate.

 

tom >>

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Ammachi, "tomgull" <tomgull@m...> wrote:

>

> Each situation has it's Dharma. Therefore,

> a rudely acting or otherwise improperly acting

> sevite should be given corrective advice, etc.

> This doesn't necessarily imply or require

> "compassion" so to say, just the corrective

> measures needed. Someone being corrected

> either subtly or directly may not take your

> actions or words seriously if they sense

> "compassion". In other words, they'll

> go off what they feel from you rather

> than what you're trying to communicate.

 

I don't think showing compassion has anything to do with setting

corrective measures, etc. It might at times only require a gentle

smile and no verbal exchange at all.

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> I have seen several cases were self designated

> Ashram police decides that is his/her

> job to tell people how to act.

 

Having gone to see Amma for 5 years, I've rarely ever

noticed any ashramic police. Given some of the

behavior I've seen at some programs, I'd welcome

official keepers of the peace who aren't afraid

to use their authority. It's like Amma said

about Bush's reaction to the 9-11, in that

a leader who shows patience shows weakness

(not exact quote).

 

>

> One example, dancing inside the temple (in San Ramon), I remember

> the times when for some it was almost obscene to see people dancing

> there. There was never a lack of self proclaimed watch dogs to go

> up there and tell them not to do so.

> Do they still dance? As of this summer, yes.

 

Couldn't care less about dancers, as long as

they don't hit me, I won't hit them.

I do have a problem with all the sleepers in the

darshan hall. One year I went to SR, the upper

balcony was quite the snoozing area.

 

 

 

> If what you say, does not make sense to them, why should they

> listen to you? They have the same right to be there as you do.

> You don't like what they do, ignore them.

 

 

Service. That's what Seva is. You can be a casual

customer and simply ignore poor service, or in the

role (dharma) of spiritual brother/sister, you are obligated

to inform people when their level of service is way off the

minimal. That's why I treat Amma newbies and other

spiritual newbies much softer than long-timers. With

long-timers I'm outright harsh because if they haven't

gotten it yet then they're like the people I work with

who need to be knocked in the head quite a few times

before they understand.

 

 

> > In other words, they'll

> > go off what they feel from you rather

> > than what you're trying to communicate.

>

> And what is wrong with that, dont you do the same thing when others

> speak to you?

>

 

Clear communication is not based on feelings. Listening

and understanding someone is essential. If someone

is handicapped in grammatical way, that's different.

 

tom

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> I don't think showing compassion has anything

> to do with setting corrective measures, etc.

> It might at times only require a gentle

> smile and no verbal exchange at all.

 

 

That's what I've been trying to say. When

you only show compassion and support someone's

errors, they'll continue in their errors and

cause suffering to others. If you point

out their error, they are then given an

opportunity for improvement. Remember the

dharma of the situation... spiritual people

are supposedly trying to get rid of their

ego and can't do it alone. Whether

they take your advice or not is their

choice. The action itself is

compassion, but if you think of it

as compassion, then that feeling will

be conveyed and they'll ignore what

you're saying because they won't think

you're being serious.

 

Think about when you make a complaint

in a store or at work. If you complain

in a so-so, compassionate, nice-person way,

they'll think that you're not really upset.

That's why people always exaggerate complaints,

because it brings faster results. I don't

advocate this, but it is a proven fact.

 

tom

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Ammachi, "tomgull" <tomgull@m...> wrote:

> It's like Amma said

> about Bush's reaction to the 9-11, in that

> a leader who shows patience shows weakness

> (not exact quote).

 

I was in SR one night when she made a comment about Bush and 9/11, i

am not sure if this is the same one you refer to here.

 

I do remember being a bit confused with her perception

of Bush's reaction to the WTC issue. I guess this is one

more of the list of comments from her that will take

a few years before I can understand.

 

But judging the reaction of Swamiji, I dont think

I was the only one confused about her statements

that day.

 

Best regards

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I'm curious. What did Amma say in regard to Bush and 9/11? I'm not

aware of it and would really like to know.

 

Lisa

 

 

Ammachi, "rastanaga" <rastanaga> wrote:

> Ammachi, "tomgull" <tomgull@m...> wrote:

> > It's like Amma said

> > about Bush's reaction to the 9-11, in that

> > a leader who shows patience shows weakness

> > (not exact quote).

>

> I was in SR one night when she made a comment about Bush and 9/11, i

> am not sure if this is the same one you refer to here.

>

> I do remember being a bit confused with her perception

> of Bush's reaction to the WTC issue. I guess this is one

> more of the list of comments from her that will take

> a few years before I can understand.

>

> But judging the reaction of Swamiji, I dont think

> I was the only one confused about her statements

> that day.

>

> Best regards

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Rastanaga wrote,

 

<< I would take that store and most of the tables

out of there to allow more people to sit. >>

 

I like having the store there because I can buy books and stuff while still

breathing the same sweet air as Mother. The number of people in the hall is

determined by the fire department, not by how much room there is. Since the

fire they are being very strict about it. From the photos I see on videos and

the websites about Darshan in India, and the crushing crowds where there

isn't even room to dance and people walk for days to get to Amma for just a

few seconds on her lap, I feel very privileged in the US.

 

Jai Jai Ma!

Nancy

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