Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2006 Dear Friends, Those who are not able to punish the offender they will sung the song of forgiveness. The weak people can not protest to such people they start to find the excuse to escape, currently modern age and freedom are most used word to hide our weakness. we hindu people are always weak.that is why today there is no hindu nation on the earth. Why only hindu daities used for misuse ? why he not draw his sister or mother on the name of freedom ? why only nacked body painted ? there is so much buty in rest of world. if you are giving exaple of our nacked carving, I would like to say that they are carved for to give message to society that the "kaam" is also form of energy.and hussain nackess is only vikkar (sorry I do not know exact meaning of that) of Mind. <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2006 Had to reply this one.. On 4/24/06, vapatel (AT) omifco (DOT) com <vapatel (AT) omifco (DOT) com> wrote: > > > > > Dear Friends, > Those who are not able to punish the offender they will sung the song of > forgiveness. IMHO Not True. I read in Julius Caesar, Power without Mercy is Tyranny. And ever since I have been a big fan of that. Also by your line it means, My mother forgives me because she cant punish me.. ha ha ha.. thats the biggest joke of the month.. The weak people can not protest to such people they start to > find the excuse to escape, currently modern age and freedom are most used > word to hide our weakness. Mostly true. we hindu people are always weak.that is why today there is no hindu nation > on the earth. In a very strong sense it can be true. But its like being hindu we are more tolerant to other people. Now there is a fine line between both of them. But most hindus dont care. Perhaps this is weakness, perhaps this is carelessness. That can be a very long debate. Thought a lot on it and gave up. Why only hindu daities used for misuse ? Good Point. Let him try some other deity. Cant say any name as they are all same to me but I am sure he will shot. why he not draw his sister or mother on the name of freedom ? Fantastic Point. Someone should say it to him. If I get a chance (which is 1 in a million ) I will surely do it, but then my Mother doesnt want that to happen. What he does will go with him and what I do will go with me. Got to be careful, dont want to screw it up again in this life. My 2 Cents. Thanks Dp why only nacked body painted ? there is so much buty in rest of world. > if you are giving exaple of our nacked carving, I would like to say that > they are carved for to give message to society that the "kaam" is also > form > of energy.and hussain nackess is only vikkar (sorry I do not know exact > meaning of that) of Mind. ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2006 Namaste, To draw deities as naked is not a "misuse", at least in the case religion itself allows it. For example, Sumerian, Greek and Roman deities were also depicted rather frequently as being naked. For example, goddesses Venus, Ishtar and Lilith were pictured with naked breast - none sees any misuse in that. Priapus and Pan were depicted with erect phallus. It is not Hussain who invented drawing Hindu deities as naked, it was existing in Hindu tradition for thousands years! Why such a sick attitude from so many people, as if something dirty is in nakedness? In this case the only place really dirty is a mind of a perceiver... Hussain may do this mainly for money or/and fame, that's another thing. But let us clearly put the matter - problem is NOT with nakedness of deities, but with the person and behaviour of the author. There is nothing here to "protect Hindu dharma" or values. Issue is not related to these. Does anyone here seriously think that God or Goddess wears clothes!? A , vapatel wrote: > > Why only hindu daities used for misuse ? <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2006 I never have an issue with the deed, but on the intention of the deed. I have learned in life that nothing is good or bad. Its only the intentions that makes it good or bad. For example killing.. when a thief kills we hang him, when a soldier kills he is given a medal... I have no porblem in him drawing hindu gods as naked provided A) He does the same for other gods too.. from other religion. (This is not for my ego but to make sure that he sees everything with one eye, again intention...) B) Perhaps he could make some paintings of his family memebers as naked and put them in exhibition (again this is on intentions ) Also its mostly in Tantra that nakedness is considered normal. But for a normal Layman, nakedness is not normal.. thats why we all wear clothes, since we are in a society. And I can be very sure that Hussain is not a Tantric, hence rules of Tantra are not applicable to him. He would still have to comply with normal householder rules.. I would like to emphasis again that I am not against nakedness.. Nothing dirty in it.. just the intentions... just the intentions... Thanks Dp On 4/24/06, Arjuna Taranandanatha <bhagatirtha (AT) mail (DOT) ru> wrote: > > Namaste, > > To draw deities as naked is not a "misuse", at least in the case > religion itself allows it. > For example, Sumerian, Greek and Roman deities were also depicted > rather frequently as being naked. For example, goddesses Venus, Ishtar > and Lilith were pictured with naked breast - none sees any misuse in > that. Priapus and Pan were depicted with erect phallus. > > It is not Hussain who invented drawing Hindu deities as naked, it was > existing in Hindu tradition for thousands years! Why such a sick > attitude from so many people, as if something dirty is in nakedness? > In this case the only place really dirty is a mind of a perceiver... > > Hussain may do this mainly for money or/and fame, that's another > thing. But let us clearly put the matter - problem is NOT with > nakedness of deities, but with the person and behaviour of the author. > There is nothing here to "protect Hindu dharma" or values. Issue is > not related to these. > > Does anyone here seriously think that God or Goddess wears clothes!? > > A > > > , vapatel wrote: > > > > Why only hindu daities used for misuse ? > > Links > > > > > > > > -- Thanks Dp [The force is feminine in nature] ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2006 I fully endorse this view. Can he do the same thing other thing that is considered reverential by others. To do something knowing disrespectring somebodys beliefs is noway an ordinary issue. Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh > wrote: I never have an issue with the deed, but on the intention of the deed. I have learned in life that nothing is good or bad. Its only the intentions that makes it good or bad. For example killing.. when a thief kills we hang him, when a soldier kills he is given a medal... I have no porblem in him drawing hindu gods as naked provided A) He does the same for other gods too.. from other religion. (This is not for my ego but to make sure that he sees everything with one eye, again intention...) B) Perhaps he could make some paintings of his family memebers as naked and put them in exhibition (again this is on intentions ) Also its mostly in Tantra that nakedness is considered normal. But for a normal Layman, nakedness is not normal.. thats why we all wear clothes, since we are in a society. And I can be very sure that Hussain is not a Tantric, hence rules of Tantra are not applicable to him. He would still have to comply with normal householder rules.. I would like to emphasis again that I am not against nakedness.. Nothing dirty in it.. just the intentions... just the intentions... Thanks Dp On 4/24/06, Arjuna Taranandanatha <bhagatirtha (AT) mail (DOT) ru> wrote: > > Namaste, > > To draw deities as naked is not a "misuse", at least in the case > religion itself allows it. > For example, Sumerian, Greek and Roman deities were also depicted > rather frequently as being naked. For example, goddesses Venus, Ishtar > and Lilith were pictured with naked breast - none sees any misuse in > that. Priapus and Pan were depicted with erect phallus. > > It is not Hussain who invented drawing Hindu deities as naked, it was > existing in Hindu tradition for thousands years! Why such a sick > attitude from so many people, as if something dirty is in nakedness? > In this case the only place really dirty is a mind of a perceiver... > > Hussain may do this mainly for money or/and fame, that's another > thing. But let us clearly put the matter - problem is NOT with > nakedness of deities, but with the person and behaviour of the author. > There is nothing here to "protect Hindu dharma" or values. Issue is > not related to these. > > Does anyone here seriously think that God or Goddess wears clothes!? > > A > > > , vapatel wrote: > > > > Why only hindu daities used for misuse ? > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > -- Thanks Dp [The force is feminine in nature] Devi Traditions Divine Visit your group "" on the web. New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2006 Hussain is a dirty filthy man, a pevert. He is horny and obsessed with the female form. Many years ago, when he was not so famous in Kolkata, he was infatuated with this lady, and painted her nudes. The lady in modesty did not want it so, and Hussain therefore painted horses over them. These paintings are still displayed in this lady's home. This information is from my personal circles and is 100 % authentic. Hussain was infatuated with Madhuri the Indian actress, but whether they copulated I do not know, but going by Hussain's reputation, I imagine he would have. Religiously speaking, let him depict the Prophet Mohammed in the nude sitting on the shrine in Mecca. He does not have the "b---s" ! He reminds me of the nursery rhyme... Georgie porgie pudding and pie Kissed the gils and made them cry When the boys came out to play Georgie porgie ran way May he realise the error of his ways. Sincerely Vir Arjuna Taranandanatha <bhagatirtha (AT) mail (DOT) ru> wrote: Namaste, dear Sankara! With all respect to Ur view and keeping it in mind, i wanted to note the following: There are many examples in Hindu traditional art of naked Deities, and even Deities copulating. This is not limited to Bengali Tantrism, but is somewhat largely spread. I have seen some traditional Vaishnava artwork depicting Krishna in intimate union with Radhika. We both know about Orissan style temples of 10-13 centuries with sexual scenes depicted of walls. Thus there is nothing wrong or obscene in Hussain's paintings as they are. However this doesn't mean his intentions were good, of course. I admit U are right on this point. Personally i didn't like most of his paintings i just saw in www. But two of them IMHO are of certain interest and value: http://www.sanatan.org/hussaincampaign/painting6.php http://www.sanatan.org/hussaincampaign/painting7.php There is a symbolic meaning in these, though i cannot say if it was intentionally made or spontaneously happened. Even through impure people at times pure things come as a result of sudden Shakti-nipata. Just my opinion. Pranam, Arjuna , sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > > i beg to disagree. One thing I can say with confidence s he is not secular. He did this dirty trick and whenever he got near a police charge he apologised and got out. This he did many times. So he is fully aware of the results and was bent on taking this path. > He was a poor poster painter for films when Indira Gandhi picked him promoted him - I will not go into the why and wherefor. > Suffice to say there is nothing "secular" about him. If he is secular let him give the same treatment to some islamic subject and lets see the result. The so called "seculars" are mostly just Hindu Bashers. For them the graduation ino the secula old is assured if he/she makes some anti-hindu statement. > Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote: > I don't see this attitude in Husain's artwork or hear it in his > words. I would not describe his work as "innocent" so much as > artistic. And as with so much worthwhile art, people can find and > assign to it almost any meaning they wish. > > Realistically, of course, one must expect Husain's work to be > interpreted within the context of current Indian politics and Hindu- > Muslim tension. Husain is a (resolutely secular) Muslim artist > working with Hindu religious themes, so there is bound to be > tension. And he has always been commercially savvy so, yes, there > *may* be some element of "controversy is the best publicity." > > But overall, these criticisms reveal more about the critics than > they do about Husain. Then again, I am no expert. Just a moderately > informed opinion. > > > , sankara menon <kochu1tz@> > wrote: > > > > protesting about Hussain's actions has nothing to do with being > prude. That man is deliberatly targetting Hindus. Thats the bottom > line. he does it so that he can get his 20 houris or whatever when > he goes up. > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > Devi Traditions Divine Visit your group "" on the web. Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2006 Like I said guys, Hussain is a pevert without the balls to depict horny Islamic themes - i.e. be true to himself - as a pevert. He is a blemish to mankind and unfortunately to Islam, which is already known as a terrorist fostering religion, and therefore needs to be re-invented in order to survive. sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote: I agree. But that does not give freedom to pseudo secularists. Depiing legitimate scenes is OK. But to show Hanuman naked and in a seual manner is no go. Arjuna Taranandanatha <bhagatirtha (AT) mail (DOT) ru> wrote: Namaste, dear Sankara! With all respect to Ur view and keeping it in mind, i wanted to note the following: There are many examples in Hindu traditional art of naked Deities, and even Deities copulating. This is not limited to Bengali Tantrism, but is somewhat largely spread. I have seen some traditional Vaishnava artwork depicting Krishna in intimate union with Radhika. We both know about Orissan style temples of 10-13 centuries with sexual scenes depicted of walls. Thus there is nothing wrong or obscene in Hussain's paintings as they are. However this doesn't mean his intentions were good, of course. I admit U are right on this point. Personally i didn't like most of his paintings i just saw in www. But two of them IMHO are of certain interest and value: http://www.sanatan.org/hussaincampaign/painting6.php http://www.sanatan.org/hussaincampaign/painting7.php There is a symbolic meaning in these, though i cannot say if it was intentionally made or spontaneously happened. Even through impure people at times pure things come as a result of sudden Shakti-nipata. Just my opinion. Pranam, Arjuna , sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > > i beg to disagree. One thing I can say with confidence s he is not secular. He did this dirty trick and whenever he got near a police charge he apologised and got out. This he did many times. So he is fully aware of the results and was bent on taking this path. > He was a poor poster painter for films when Indira Gandhi picked him promoted him - I will not go into the why and wherefor. > Suffice to say there is nothing "secular" about him. If he is secular let him give the same treatment to some islamic subject and lets see the result. The so called "seculars" are mostly just Hindu Bashers. For them the graduation ino the secula old is assured if he/she makes some anti-hindu statement. > Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote: > I don't see this attitude in Husain's artwork or hear it in his > words. I would not describe his work as "innocent" so much as > artistic. And as with so much worthwhile art, people can find and > assign to it almost any meaning they wish. > > Realistically, of course, one must expect Husain's work to be > interpreted within the context of current Indian politics and Hindu- > Muslim tension. Husain is a (resolutely secular) Muslim artist > working with Hindu religious themes, so there is bound to be > tension. And he has always been commercially savvy so, yes, there > *may* be some element of "controversy is the best publicity." > > But overall, these criticisms reveal more about the critics than > they do about Husain. Then again, I am no expert. Just a moderately > informed opinion. > > > , sankara menon <kochu1tz@> > wrote: > > > > protesting about Hussain's actions has nothing to do with being > prude. That man is deliberatly targetting Hindus. Thats the bottom > line. he does it so that he can get his 20 houris or whatever when > he goes up. > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > Devi Traditions Divine Visit your group "" on the web. Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2�/min with Messenger with Voice. Visit your group "" on the web. Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2006 DP, Had to say this ..... :-) It is not weakness or carelessness that causes a person following the Hindu tradition to chillzzz ... the goal is perceived differently. See how many "religions" have come and gone. The strength is in tolerance. As an individual I would love to see him squeal when his skin is peeled live, probably happened if he he were in Saudi Arabia and painted a naked Prophet Mohammed. A a devotee of Devi, I see her play also in stirring up such feelings within me to see how needlessly painful they are and how needless .... Hinduism or simply being smart..... What is relegion or spiritually, the ability to enjoy variety ;-) He ! He ! Vir Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh > wrote: Had to reply this one.. On 4/24/06, vapatel (AT) omifco (DOT) com <vapatel (AT) omifco (DOT) com> wrote: > > we hindu people are always weak.that is why today there is no hindu nation > on the earth. In a very strong sense it can be true. But its like being hindu we are more tolerant to other people. Now there is a fine line between both of them. But most hindus dont care. Perhaps this is weakness, perhaps this is carelessness. That can be a very long debate. Thought a lot on it and gave up. Devi Traditions Divine Visit your group "" on the web. Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2006 Sure they do, have you not seen them ? Arjuna Taranandanatha <bhagatirtha (AT) mail (DOT) ru> wrote: Namaste, To draw deities as naked is not a "misuse", at least in the case religion itself allows it. For example, Sumerian, Greek and Roman deities were also depicted rather frequently as being naked. For example, goddesses Venus, Ishtar and Lilith were pictured with naked breast - none sees any misuse in that. Priapus and Pan were depicted with erect phallus. It is not Hussain who invented drawing Hindu deities as naked, it was existing in Hindu tradition for thousands years! Why such a sick attitude from so many people, as if something dirty is in nakedness? In this case the only place really dirty is a mind of a perceiver... Hussain may do this mainly for money or/and fame, that's another thing. But let us clearly put the matter - problem is NOT with nakedness of deities, but with the person and behaviour of the author. There is nothing here to "protect Hindu dharma" or values. Issue is not related to these. Does anyone here seriously think that God or Goddess wears clothes!? A , vapatel wrote: > > Why only hindu daities used for misuse ? Visit your group "" on the web. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2006 Hi Vir: Nora has placed you on unmoderated status; unfortunately, this means that it's now you, and not the moderators, who have to exercise responsibility and self-restraint in determining what sorts of posts are proper for this forum. As much as you may dislike the artist Husain -- and you are certainly in good company here -- there is no need for gratuitous tabloid-sheet gossip such as calling "dirty filthy man, a pevert, ... horny" (you cannot know this unless you're inside his head) and "whether they copulated I do not know" (no, you don't; so why mention it at all?). Thank you in advance for your assistance in this matter. DB , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > Hussain is a dirty filthy man, a pevert. He is horny and obsessed with the female form. Many years ago, when he was not so famous in Kolkata, he was infatuated with this lady, and painted her nudes. The lady in modesty did not want it so, and Hussain therefore painted horses over them. These paintings are still displayed in this lady's home. This information is from my personal circles and is 100 % authentic. > > Hussain was infatuated with Madhuri the Indian actress, but whether they copulated I do not know, but going by Hussain's reputation, I imagine he would have. > > Religiously speaking, let him depict the Prophet Mohammed in the nude sitting on the shrine in Mecca. He does not have the "b--- s" ! > > He reminds me of the nursery rhyme... > > Georgie porgie pudding and pie > Kissed the gils and made them cry > When the boys came out to play > Georgie porgie ran way > > May he realise the error of his ways. > > Sincerely > > Vir > Arjuna Taranandanatha <bhagatirtha wrote: Namaste, dear Sankara! > > With all respect to Ur view and keeping it in mind, i wanted to note > the following: > > There are many examples in Hindu traditional art of naked Deities, and > even Deities copulating. This is not limited to Bengali Tantrism, but > is somewhat largely spread. I have seen some traditional Vaishnava > artwork depicting Krishna in intimate union with Radhika. We both know > about Orissan style temples of 10-13 centuries with sexual scenes > depicted of walls. > Thus there is nothing wrong or obscene in Hussain's paintings as they > are. However this doesn't mean his intentions were good, of course. I > admit U are right on this point. > > Personally i didn't like most of his paintings i just saw in www. But > two of them IMHO are of certain interest and value: > http://www.sanatan.org/hussaincampaign/painting6.php > http://www.sanatan.org/hussaincampaign/painting7.php > There is a symbolic meaning in these, though i cannot say if it was > intentionally made or spontaneously happened. Even through impure > people at times pure things come as a result of sudden Shakti- nipata. > > Just my opinion. > Pranam, > Arjuna > > , sankara menon <kochu1tz@> wrote: > > > > i beg to disagree. One thing I can say with confidence s he is not > secular. He did this dirty trick and whenever he got near a police > charge he apologised and got out. This he did many times. So he is > fully aware of the results and was bent on taking this path. > > He was a poor poster painter for films when Indira Gandhi picked > him promoted him - I will not go into the why and wherefor. > > Suffice to say there is nothing "secular" about him. If he is > secular let him give the same treatment to some islamic subject and > lets see the result. The so called "seculars" are mostly just Hindu > Bashers. For them the graduation ino the secula old is assured if > he/she makes some anti-hindu statement. > > > Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta@> wrote: > > I don't see this attitude in Husain's artwork or hear it in his > > words. I would not describe his work as "innocent" so much as > > artistic. And as with so much worthwhile art, people can find and > > assign to it almost any meaning they wish. > > > > Realistically, of course, one must expect Husain's work to be > > interpreted within the context of current Indian politics and Hindu- > > Muslim tension. Husain is a (resolutely secular) Muslim artist > > working with Hindu religious themes, so there is bound to be > > tension. And he has always been commercially savvy so, yes, there > > *may* be some element of "controversy is the best publicity." > > > > But overall, these criticisms reveal more about the critics than > > they do about Husain. Then again, I am no expert. Just a moderately > > informed opinion. > > > > > > , sankara menon <kochu1tz@> > > wrote: > > > > > > protesting about Hussain's actions has nothing to do with being > > prude. That man is deliberatly targetting Hindus. Thats the bottom > > line. he does it so that he can get his 20 houris or whatever when > > he goes up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi Traditions Divine > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. > > > ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2006 On 4/27/06, Vir Rawlley <redderred > wrote: > > DP, > > Had to say this ..... :-) I am glad you commented.. It is not weakness or carelessness that causes a person following the Hindu > tradition to chillzzz ... the goal is perceived differently. See how many > "religions" have come and gone. The strength is in tolerance. Agreed 100%. But then allow me to give arguments for and against myself. And as far as tolerance is, I would not at all be upset it he was making nude/bad picutres of me. Thats whould would I say tolerance is. But then its about my Mother. So I have every right to be upset. Just as she gets upset when anyone tries to hurt me, and off course protects me. Now My Mother has the right to overrule and say its okay and I should be calm, which she does mostly, and I shall comply. So its kind of re-cursive in itself. It is said that if anyone says bad things about your guru either A) you should kill him (my favourite) or B) Leave that place(what I always do). My Mother is on one of my Guru and she has taught me a lot. so you can fill in the rest... Thanks and Regards Dp <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2006 My apologies Devi Bhakta, I will be be more considerate and restrained. I value this forum whether I am moderated or unmoderated. i had never seen the Hussain paintings, until I followed the links provided. I have found them obsene, not even sensual, leave alone devotional. I have visited the erotic temples of Khajuraho many times in my line of work, and find they have a story to tell, there is a divine direction to them. I am afraid I saw no reason for Hussain to offer spiritual titles to his paintings, when all he wants is female nudity and to boost his sales. I am rather sad that these posts have distressed me. I am also wondering what was the point of this post in the first place. All discussions have been, like mine, simply opinions. A sick artist has made a mockery of dieties I/we worship, and we are "fighting" among our-selves. Wah Devi ! Wah ! Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta > wrote: Hi Vir: Nora has placed you on unmoderated status; unfortunately, this means that it's now you, and not the moderators, who have to exercise responsibility and self-restraint in determining what sorts of posts are proper for this forum. As much as you may dislike the artist Husain -- and you are certainly in good company here -- there is no need for gratuitous tabloid-sheet gossip such as calling "dirty filthy man, a pevert, ... horny" (you cannot know this unless you're inside his head) and "whether they copulated I do not know" (no, you don't; so why mention it at all?). Thank you in advance for your assistance in this matter. DB ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2006 Namaste, I have seen many traditional Hindu (and Buddhist) sculptures and paintings of naked gods and goddesses, and deities in sexual intercourse. Verily depiction of the Goddess as naked is traditional and authentic. She is Digambari. Moreover, descriptions in some Hindu texts are far more explicit and passionate than Hussain's innocent drawings. Once again, i do not see Hussain as a big artist. His level is of third grade of the artist school . But there is no problem with Hinduism here, since Hinduism traditionally had naked deities for thousands of years. A , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > Sure they do, have you not seen them ? > > Arjuna Taranandanatha <bhagatirtha wrote: Namaste, > > To draw deities as naked is not a "misuse", at least in the case > religion itself allows it. > For example, Sumerian, Greek and Roman deities were also depicted > rather frequently as being naked. For example, goddesses Venus, Ishtar > and Lilith were pictured with naked breast - none sees any misuse in > that. Priapus and Pan were depicted with erect phallus. > > It is not Hussain who invented drawing Hindu deities as naked, it was > existing in Hindu tradition for thousands years! Why such a sick > attitude from so many people, as if something dirty is in nakedness? > In this case the only place really dirty is a mind of a perceiver... > > Hussain may do this mainly for money or/and fame, that's another > thing. But let us clearly put the matter - problem is NOT with > nakedness of deities, but with the person and behaviour of the author. > There is nothing here to "protect Hindu dharma" or values. Issue is > not related to these. > > Does anyone here seriously think that God or Goddess wears clothes!? > > A > > > , vapatel@ wrote: > > > > Why only hindu daities used for misuse ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2006 I have also such feeling.I am fully agree with you. Maa is not only Mother but she take care us by all the way. I can see future of Hussain,he become Mad. -----Forwarded by vapatel/OMIFCO on 28/04/2006 12:23AM ----- > >"Dhirendra Pal Singh" >Sent by: >27/04/2006 10:56PM >Re: Putting Clothes on a Goddess > >On 4/27/06, Vir Rawlley wrote: >> >> DP, >> >> Had to say this ..... :-) > > >I am glad you commented.. > >It is not weakness or carelessness that causes a person following the >Hindu >> tradition to chillzzz ... the goal is perceived differently. See >how many >> "religions" have come and gone. The strength is in tolerance. > > >Agreed 100%. But then allow me to give arguments for and against >myself. >And as far as tolerance is, I would not at all be upset it he was >making >nude/bad picutres of me. Thats whould would I say tolerance is. But >then its >about my Mother. So I have every right to be upset. Just as she gets >upset >when anyone tries to hurt me, and off course protects me. >Now My Mother has the right to overrule and say its okay and I should >be >calm, which she does mostly, and I shall comply. So its kind of >re-cursive >in itself. >It is said that if anyone says bad things about your guru either A) >you >should kill him (my favourite) or B) Leave that place(what I always >do). My >Mother is on one of my Guru and she has taught me a lot. so you can >fill in >the rest... > >Thanks and Regards >Dp > > > > Visit your group " " on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service >. <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2006 Pranam. It is certainly true that Hinduism has naked deities. But, I find it particularly offensive that Hussein painted a naked Seeta Devi with Hanumanji as well. What kind of message or artistic value has this got? With Love Shankaree Arjuna Taranandanatha <bhagatirtha (AT) mail (DOT) ru> wrote: Namaste, I have seen many traditional Hindu (and Buddhist) sculptures and paintings of naked gods and goddesses, and deities in sexual intercourse. Verily depiction of the Goddess as naked is traditional and authentic. She is Digambari. Moreover, descriptions in some Hindu texts are far more explicit and passionate than Hussain's innocent drawings. Once again, i do not see Hussain as a big artist. His level is of third grade of the artist school . But there is no problem with Hinduism here, since Hinduism traditionally had naked deities for thousands of years. A , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > Sure they do, have you not seen them ? > > Arjuna Taranandanatha <bhagatirtha wrote: Namaste, > > To draw deities as naked is not a "misuse", at least in the case > religion itself allows it. > For example, Sumerian, Greek and Roman deities were also depicted > rather frequently as being naked. For example, goddesses Venus, Ishtar > and Lilith were pictured with naked breast - none sees any misuse in > that. Priapus and Pan were depicted with erect phallus. > > It is not Hussain who invented drawing Hindu deities as naked, it was > existing in Hindu tradition for thousands years! Why such a sick > attitude from so many people, as if something dirty is in nakedness? > In this case the only place really dirty is a mind of a perceiver... > > Hussain may do this mainly for money or/and fame, that's another > thing. But let us clearly put the matter - problem is NOT with > nakedness of deities, but with the person and behaviour of the author. > There is nothing here to "protect Hindu dharma" or values. Issue is > not related to these. > > Does anyone here seriously think that God or Goddess wears clothes!? > > A > > > , vapatel@ wrote: > > > > Why only hindu daities used for misuse ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > Visit your group "" on the web. Let my every word be a prayer to Thee, Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee, Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image, Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee, Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet; Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do, Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee." >From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari Switch an email account to Mail, you could win FIFA World Cup tickets. <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2006 No apologies necessary. Your opinions are welcome, your input is valued. I started this thread, in fact, by posting a [Hindu-penned] defense of Husain, and I knew it had the potential to draw sharp commentary and disagreement (the moderator instinct, eh?). At the same time, I see no value in personal attacks, gossip and mudslinging. That was my only objection. Sorry for being snappy. ;-p DB , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > My apologies Devi Bhakta, I will be be more considerate and restrained. I value this forum whether I am moderated or unmoderated. > > i had never seen the Hussain paintings, until I followed the links provided. I have found them obsene, not even sensual, leave alone devotional. > > I have visited the erotic temples of Khajuraho many times in my line of work, and find they have a story to tell, there is a divine direction to them. I am afraid I saw no reason for Hussain to offer spiritual titles to his paintings, when all he wants is female nudity and to boost his sales. > > I am rather sad that these posts have distressed me. I am also wondering what was the point of this post in the first place. All discussions have been, like mine, simply opinions. A sick artist has made a mockery of dieties I/we worship, and we are "fighting" among our-selves. > > Wah Devi ! Wah ! > > > > > > > > > Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote: Hi Vir: > > Nora has placed you on unmoderated status; unfortunately, this means > that it's now you, and not the moderators, who have to exercise > responsibility and self-restraint in determining what sorts of posts > are proper for this forum. > > As much as you may dislike the artist Husain -- and you are > certainly in good company here -- there is no need for gratuitous > tabloid-sheet gossip such as calling "dirty filthy man, a > pevert, ... horny" (you cannot know this unless you're inside his > head) and "whether they copulated I do not know" (no, you don't; so > why mention it at all?). > > Thank you in advance for your assistance in this matter. > > DB > ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2006 OM NAMAH SIVAYA i am new to this group and this is my first time posting. please excuse me if i am writing out of place. you write about the recursiveness of being upset with the paintings.... and if someone says bad things of your guru you should kill them? is everything not Divine Mother and recursive? don't the things being reflected to us only have the power that we give them? it seems a devotee would laugh at disrespect to the Divine Mother or Guru as they are beyond disrespect. in fact is the disrespect not also Divine Mother as well? please help me if my understanding is erroneous. -eric JAI MA , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" <dpal.singh wrote: > > On 4/27/06, Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > > > DP, > > > > Had to say this ..... :-) > > > I am glad you commented.. > > It is not weakness or carelessness that causes a person following the Hindu > > tradition to chillzzz ... the goal is perceived differently. See how many > > "religions" have come and gone. The strength is in tolerance. > > > Agreed 100%. But then allow me to give arguments for and against myself. > And as far as tolerance is, I would not at all be upset it he was making > nude/bad picutres of me. Thats whould would I say tolerance is. But then its > about my Mother. So I have every right to be upset. Just as she gets upset > when anyone tries to hurt me, and off course protects me. > Now My Mother has the right to overrule and say its okay and I should be > calm, which she does mostly, and I shall comply. So its kind of re- cursive > in itself. > It is said that if anyone says bad things about your guru either A) you > should kill him (my favourite) or B) Leave that place(what I always do). My > Mother is on one of my Guru and she has taught me a lot. so you can fill in > the rest... > > Thanks and Regards > Dp > ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2006 Now if this is true then I am going to be pissed of.. If what you say is true then all my tolerance, patience, niceness goes out of the window.. I guess people who are saying Hussain is an innocent artist, should comment on this.. -----On 4/27/06, Shankaree Ramatas <shankaree > wrote: > > Pranam. It is certainly true that Hinduism has naked deities. But, I find > it particularly offensive that Hussein painted a naked Seeta Devi with > Hanumanji as well. What kind of message or artistic value has this got? ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2006 On 4/27/06, ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us > wrote: > > OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > i am new to this group and this is my first time posting. please > excuse me if i am writing out of place. Hey ecjensen Welcome aboard. No you are not writing out of place. You are questioning, which means you are thinking, analysing and contemplating.. which is good, until you reach a state where logic dont make any sense... you write about the > recursiveness of being upset with the paintings.... and if someone > says bad things of your guru you should kill them? Absolutely. Now if I throw every else out of the window, then as per to Vedic system, its a sin to listen to any bad stuff about your Guru. And I like that rule. Take Arjun. He would get very upset if anything wrong was to be said about this Guru. When giving his introduction he would only say "I am Arjun, Deciple of Guru Dronacharya ". The respect for your guru should be at a level which is beyond most people comprehension, at least thats what I have noted as my respect for my guru comes from seeing how my Gurus respected their Gurus and so forth.. is everything > not Divine Mother and recursive? Absolutely. But then I can argue if everything is Divine Mother, then why did you get upset at the word killing.. ITs just death... so what if I die or anyone else.. heck we will have to come again.. unless rescued by our Guru... So by your own statement regarding killing is void based on the same line you have said... And thats what I mean by recursive.. don't the things being reflected > to us only have the power that we give them? Dont know what you exactly mean by this line.. but there is no me.. Neither I have power nor I give power to any thing, though or action. ITs all mother.. SHE is the ONE. There is no me, there is no Hussain. I strictly believe that the day she gets upset, at her first though forget hussain, the world will be destroyed. The above line is not based on what other says or what I have read, but solely on what I have myself experienced...or SHE has made me experiance.. it seems a devotee > would laugh at disrespect to the Divine Mother or Guru as they are > beyond disrespect. in fact is the disrespect not also Divine Mother > as well? Giving benefit of doubt, to your theory, I can say may be there are some folks who do that.. As far as I am concerned.. may be I am not that matured, that I would listen to it... and laugh... At least I would prefer to walk away then to listen... please help me if my understanding is erroneous. -eric I tried my best.. And my dear friend there is nothing right and nothing wrong. Something can be right to one person and may be completley wrong to another person. Its kind of personal. The more you want to lean (which seems quite a bit in your) the more you grow... Perhaps my understanding is erroneous.. or perhaps yours.. or both are.. or perhaps both are correct in one way or another. What I have tried to said above is not driven by hatered or anger, its just out of my love for my Gurudev, my Mother... Jai Shree Gurudev.. Jai Mata Di. Dp JAI MA > > > > , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" > <dpal.singh wrote: > > > > On 4/27/06, Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > > > > > DP, > > > > > > Had to say this ..... :-) > > > > > > I am glad you commented.. > > > > It is not weakness or carelessness that causes a person following > the Hindu > > > tradition to chillzzz ... the goal is perceived differently. > See how many > > > "religions" have come and gone. The strength is in tolerance. > > > > > > Agreed 100%. But then allow me to give arguments for and against > myself. > > And as far as tolerance is, I would not at all be upset it he was > making > > nude/bad picutres of me. Thats whould would I say tolerance is. > But then its > > about my Mother. So I have every right to be upset. Just as she > gets upset > > when anyone tries to hurt me, and off course protects me. > > Now My Mother has the right to overrule and say its okay and I > should be > > calm, which she does mostly, and I shall comply. So its kind of re- > cursive > > in itself. > > It is said that if anyone says bad things about your guru either > A) you > > should kill him (my favourite) or B) Leave that place(what I > always do). My > > Mother is on one of my Guru and she has taught me a lot. so you > can fill in > > the rest... > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Dp > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > -- Thanks Dp [The force is feminine in nature] ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2006 I might have agreeed but you said, "obsessed with the female form," and so am I which is why I love Ma, so you personally lost my vote. Weak. And actually I like his paintings. I think they're a sort of cross between Rousseau and Picasso. I actually like them. - Vir Rawlley Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:08 PM Re: Re: Putting Clothes on a Goddess Hussain is a dirty filthy man, a pevert. He is horny and obsessed with the female form. Many years ago, when he was not so famous in Kolkata, he was infatuated with this lady, and painted her nudes. The lady in modesty did not want it so, and Hussain therefore painted horses over them. These paintings are still displayed in this lady's home. This information is from my personal circles and is 100 % authentic. ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2006 Pranam, Dhirenderji. Unfortunately, it is true. I saw that painting myself. With Love Shankaree Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh > wrote: Now if this is true then I am going to be pissed of.. If what you say is true then all my tolerance, patience, niceness goes out of the window.. I guess people who are saying Hussain is an innocent artist, should comment on this.. -----On 4/27/06, Shankaree Ramatas <shankaree > wrote: > > Pranam. It is certainly true that Hinduism has naked deities. But, I find > it particularly offensive that Hussein painted a naked Seeta Devi with > Hanumanji as well. What kind of message or artistic value has this got? Devi Traditions Divine Visit your group "" on the web. Let my every word be a prayer to Thee, Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee, Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image, Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee, Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet; Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do, Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee." >From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari Win tickets to the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany with Messenger. ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2006 See my idea of going through this exercise is that either you will be learning something out of it or I will be.. So its kind of being a little selfish.. Now regarding the question does Divine Mother have opinions? A) The plane at which My Mother/ My Master and other highly evolved people live/exist (for the sake of words and argument) is very different then on which I exists. Till I dont elevate my self to that plane, I really cant say anything and even if I do I they would be only "best guesses". The rules/regulation of that plane (I can assume safely) can/will be very different... may it be that there are no rules on that plane.. B) Once A has been said, there are couple of things I have experienced personally, one of which I will write in another email sometime soon.. In the last line you have mentioned.. "if we truly Love Her we could never kill or harm anyone/any thing" A) You still think killing is bad... which is good, at least now... but as per to "vama margi" (left wing) in tantra, there is no difference in killing and giving birth, as the person has moved to the elevated plane where rules don't exist... It doesn't matter what he/she does. There is nothing good or bad, as least as per to my preliminary understanding/reading of tantra. B) I can also say, what if mother wants me to have this thought, then what? I would also like to point you to gita, where Arjuna said I cant kill my relatives and Lord Krishna said, what makes you think you can ever kill.. Its me who is going to do that, Kauravas are already dead, you are here to be the vehicle of this, and take the fame, nothing more than that. If you don't do it, it will still happen. (in short). Anyway, My 2 cents.. Thanks and Regards Dp On 4/28/06, ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us > wrote: > > OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > your response is sincerely appreciated. i agree with you logic, > concepts and words can't truly explain Divine Mother. they are but > imperfect representations of perceptions and intentions mixed with > Truth. they keep our minds busy while the real communication takes > place. my intented meaning in things only having the power given to > them is also in the context of recursiveness. we have the power of > our perspective. we can see thru our ego or thru Mother. isn't our > ego what makes things personal? does Divine Mother have opinions? > > She and i are two mirrors facing each other, One perfectly polished > (Divine Mother), the second mirror (me) is not. except for the > initial reflection all other reflections will be tainted. i can only > hope to see/be the perfect reflection by cleaning my own mirror thru > sadhana and Grace of Mother. to me your Love for Guru and Divine > Mother is also this reflection, because Divine Mother and Guru are > the Pure Love we feel and we are attempting to reflect it back to > Her. Divine Mother/Guru is Pure Love and also our very Self. The > word killing does not upset me but it seems once we realize this > fact, God, Guru, Self are One, if we truly Love Her we could never > kill or harm anyone/any thing. we can only Be the Love She Is. -eric > > JAI MA > > , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" > <dpal.singh wrote: > > > > On 4/27/06, ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us wrote: > > > > > > OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > > > > > i am new to this group and this is my first time posting. please > > > excuse me if i am writing out of place. > > > > Hey ecjensen > > Welcome aboard. No you are not writing out of place. You are > questioning, > > which means you are thinking, analysing and contemplating.. which > is good, > > until you reach a state where logic dont make any sense... > > > > you write about the > > > recursiveness of being upset with the paintings.... and if > someone > > > says bad things of your guru you should kill them? > > > > > > Absolutely. Now if I throw every else out of the window, then as > per to > > Vedic system, its a sin to listen to any bad stuff about your > Guru. And I > > like that rule. Take Arjun. He would get very upset if anything > wrong was to > > be said about this Guru. When giving his introduction he would > only say "I > > am Arjun, Deciple of Guru Dronacharya ". The respect for your guru > should be > > at a level which is beyond most people comprehension, at least > thats what I > > have noted as my respect for my guru comes from seeing how my Gurus > > respected their Gurus and so forth.. > > > > is everything > > > not Divine Mother and recursive? > > > > > > Absolutely. But then I can argue if everything is Divine Mother, > then why > > did you get upset at the word killing.. ITs just death... so what > if I die > > or anyone else.. heck we will have to come again.. unless rescued > by our > > Guru... So by your own statement regarding killing is void > based on the > > same line you have said... And thats what I mean by recursive.. > > > > don't the things being reflected > > > to us only have the power that we give them? > > > > > > Dont know what you exactly mean by this line.. but there is no > me.. Neither > > I have power nor I give power to any thing, though or action. ITs > all > > mother.. SHE is the ONE. There is no me, there is no Hussain. I > strictly > > believe that the day she gets upset, at her first though forget > hussain, the > > world will be destroyed. The above line is not based on what other > says or > > what I have read, but solely on what I have myself > experienced...or SHE has > > made me experiance.. > > > > it seems a devotee > > > would laugh at disrespect to the Divine Mother or Guru as they > are > > > beyond disrespect. in fact is the disrespect not also Divine > Mother > > > as well? > > > > > > Giving benefit of doubt, to your theory, I can say may be there > are some > > folks who do that.. As far as I am concerned.. may be I am not > that matured, > > that I would listen to it... and laugh... At least I would prefer > to walk > > away then to listen... > > > > please help me if my understanding is erroneous. -eric > > > > > > I tried my best.. And my dear friend there is nothing right and > nothing > > wrong. Something can be right to one person and may be completley > wrong to > > another person. Its kind of personal. The more you want to lean > (which seems > > quite a bit in your) the more you grow... Perhaps my understanding > is > > erroneous.. or perhaps yours.. or both are.. or perhaps both are > correct in > > one way or another. What I have tried to said above is not driven > by hatered > > or anger, its just out of my love for my Gurudev, my Mother... > > > > Jai Shree Gurudev.. > > Jai Mata Di. > > Dp > > > > > > JAI MA > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" > > > <dpal.singh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 4/27/06, Vir Rawlley <redderred@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > DP, > > > > > > > > > > Had to say this ..... :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I am glad you commented.. > > > > > > > > It is not weakness or carelessness that causes a person > following > > > the Hindu > > > > > tradition to chillzzz ... the goal is perceived differently. > > > See how many > > > > > "religions" have come and gone. The strength is in > tolerance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed 100%. But then allow me to give arguments for and > against > > > myself. > > > > And as far as tolerance is, I would not at all be upset it he > was > > > making > > > > nude/bad picutres of me. Thats whould would I say tolerance is. > > > But then its > > > > about my Mother. So I have every right to be upset. Just as she > > > gets upset > > > > when anyone tries to hurt me, and off course protects me. > > > > Now My Mother has the right to overrule and say its okay and I > > > should be > > > > calm, which she does mostly, and I shall comply. So its kind > of re- > > > cursive > > > > in itself. > > > > It is said that if anyone says bad things about your guru > either > > > A) you > > > > should kill him (my favourite) or B) Leave that place(what I > > > always do). My > > > > Mother is on one of my Guru and she has taught me a lot. so you > > > can fill in > > > > the rest... > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Dp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thanks > > Dp > > [The force is feminine in nature] > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2006 On 4/28/06, Shankaree Ramatas <shankaree > wrote: > > Pranam, Dhirenderji. Unfortunately, it is true. I saw that painting > myself. Pranama, Now that gives me a puckish feeling.. I am sad very very sad.. I guess time to go back and start praying... Thanks and Regards Dp With Love > > Shankaree > > Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh > wrote: > Now if this is true then I am going to be pissed of.. If what you say > is > true then all my tolerance, patience, niceness goes out of the window.. I > guess people who are saying Hussain is an innocent artist, should comment > on > this.. > > -----On 4/27/06, Shankaree Ramatas <shankaree > wrote: > > > > Pranam. It is certainly true that Hinduism has naked deities. But, I > find > > it particularly offensive that Hussein painted a naked Seeta Devi with > > Hanumanji as well. What kind of message or artistic value has this got? ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2006 On 4/28/06, ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us > wrote: > > OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > thank you this exercise has taught me a great deal. Mother works > thru you. She tells me to not engage in idle discussion of Her as it > proves nothing because there is nothing to prove, as we each have > our own path. rather spend the effort on polishing my own mirror as > only That will bring peace. She says focusing on others faults or > having anger is like using the sword with no handle. see only the > good in others it will lift our Self as well them, as we are all One. > > JAI MA > > > , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" > <dpal.singh wrote: > > > > See my idea of going through this exercise is that either you will > be > > learning something out of it or I will be.. So its kind of > being a little > > selfish.. > > > > Now regarding the question does Divine Mother have opinions? > > > > A) The plane at which My Mother/ My Master and other highly > evolved people > > live/exist (for the sake of words and argument) is very different > then on > > which I exists. Till I dont elevate my self to that plane, I > really cant say > > anything and even if I do I they would be only > > "best guesses". The rules/regulation of that plane (I can assume > safely) > > can/will be very different... may it be that there are no rules on > that > > plane.. > > > > B) Once A has been said, there are couple of things I have > experienced > > personally, one of which I will write in another email sometime > soon.. > > > > In the last line you have mentioned.. > > "if we truly Love Her we could never kill or harm anyone/any thing" > > > > A) You still think killing is bad... which is good, at least > now... but as > > per to "vama margi" (left wing) in tantra, there is no difference > in killing > > and giving birth, as the person has moved to the elevated plane > where rules > > don't exist... It doesn't matter what he/she does. There is > nothing good or > > bad, as least as per to my preliminary understanding/reading of > tantra. > > > > B) I can also say, what if mother wants me to have this thought, > then what? > > I would also like to point you to gita, where Arjuna said I cant > kill my > > relatives and Lord Krishna said, what makes you think you can ever > kill.. > > Its me who is going to do that, Kauravas are already dead, you are > here to > > be the vehicle of this, and take the fame, nothing more than that. > If you > > don't do it, it will still happen. (in short). > > > > Anyway, My 2 cents.. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Dp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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