Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 , "roopika_devi" <roopika_devi> wrote: > i am reminded of the following verse from Bhatruhari's > famous 'shringara shatakam ' > > Bhoga na bhuktaha > Vyameva Bhuktaha > Tapo na taptam > Vymeva Taptaha > Kaloe na Yamaha > Vyameva Yataha > Truishna na Jirna > vyaeva Jirnah > Wrong quote 'adi shakti'! This is verse 4 of Britrihari's 'Vairagya Shataka' and not from 'Sringara Shataka'- there is a vast difference between 'Vairagya' and 'Sringara'! > if you read the archives, pyari hari herself quoted > these very lines in her message (6567) - it is always nice to > remember these golden words and everytime someone repeats them, the > meanings become clearer! > > The world famous scriptural declaration from > Kathopanishad 1.2.23 - > > nAyamAtma pravacanena labhyo > na medhayA na bahunA zrutena, > yame vaiSa vRNute tena labhya- > stasyaiSa AtmA vivRNute tanUM svAm > > God is NOT KNOWN through the study of Scriptures, > nor through subtlety of the intellect > nor through much learning. > > WHOM the Lord CHOOSES (out of His causeless Grace), > by him alone GOD is ATTAINED, verily unto him > does the Supreme REVEAL His True BEING. > > No one can buy God with spiritual practices. > > Those great souls who have attained God DECLARE to us > that Divine Illumination and enlightenment comes, > "only through His Divine Grace." > Nice to know you are remembering well my earlier posts but not correctly! - as it is not- "her message (6567)" - See /message/7305 Jaya Sri Radhey! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Dr. Jaya ( aka ) pyari_hari) Pyari writes (Wrong quote 'adi shakti'! This is verse 4 of Britrihari's 'Vairagya > Shataka' and not from 'Sringara Shataka'- there is a vast difference > between 'Vairagya' and 'Sringara'!) Yes! i stand corrected ... you are right - it is from 'vairagya Shatakam' AS you know , Bhatruhari wrote 3 shatakams ( 100 verses) on Shringara, Vairagya and Neeti ! Vairagya shatakam was specially popular with SWAMI Vievkananda - He often quoted from that text... sorry for that Freudian slip ... I guess i got carried away as we were discussing the 'Erotic'LOVE OF AMARU shatakam and i made that error ! However, i know you have read the story of King Bhatruhari. His SHRINGARA SHATAKAM is a classic treatise on 'love' and Beauty. Bhartrihari was a Great King. He was also a GREAT POET and philosopher. . He renounced His kingdom and took Sanyas ( Renunciated the material world)after learning that his Queen Pingala had an amorous 'affair' with the horsekeeper. The full story is available at www.urday.com and do a search under 'Bhartrihari' May be Dr,jaya can post the links. She is very versatile in these matters! Thanks ! pyari writes ( Nice to know you are remembering well my earlier posts but not > correctly! - as it is not- "her message (6567)" - See > > /message/7305) i am referring to post 6567 with reference to this verse which Surya has also quoted nAyamAtma pravacanena labhyo na medhayA na bahunA zrutena, yame vaiSa vRNute tena labhya- stasyaiSa AtmA vivRNute tanUM svAm Well Guess what! you have referenced the same verse in post 7305 also! so, may be both of us are right ! Smile! Thanx for all your corrections ! ( INCLUDING THE 'BRAIDS OF HAIR from Mahisasura mardini stotra) Here is a verse i like to quote from Srimad Bhagawad Gita Chapter 10, verse 34 ... mrtyuh sarva-haras caham udbhavas ca bhavisyatam kirtih srir vak ca narinam *smrtir* medha* dhrtih* ksama* I am all-devouring death, and I am the generator of all things yet to be.*Among women I am *fame, fortune, speech, memory, intelligence, faithfulness and patience.* Thanx once again nama-rupa vivarijita Goddess is beyond name and form! I bow to sri Lalita Tripurasundari ! ps - WOW! the post on Shiva was wonderful. Yes, one name of Shiva is also AGHORA. ( THOSE WHO FOLLOW THE LEFT HANDED PATH OF TANTRA ARE CALLED AGHORIS -- These Tatriks go to cremation grounds and do Shava Sadhana ) i also liked babaji's story on Bairagi. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 dear friends All the Gopikas who were having different types of bonds with Lord Krishna became mad after the departure of Lord Krishna from Brindavanam. Not only Radha who had the sexual relationship, but also Yasoda who nourished Lord Krishna as mother became mad after His departure. Both Yasoda and Radha reached Goloka because their intensity of love was equal. Therefore, one should love God by cutting all the worldly bonds and must be prepared even to sacrifice the life for the sake of the Lord like Prahlada. Jesus told that he who does not leave wife, children, wealth and even life for His sake is not His beloved disciple. This refers to any human being whether male or female. The extent of sacrifice of these worldly bonds indirectly gives a measure of the intensity of the bond with God. More you are attached to God, more you will be detached from the world. Therefore, such form of bond with Lord Krishna is not important but the intensity of love to Lord Krishna, which is measured by the sacrifice of the world, is important. Such form of bond is not the invariable path to the Lord. The other bonds are also the alternative ways to reach the same goal. All the paths are parallel to each other and it is a running race of different candidates. The speed in running is important and not the path assigned to him. I am neither encouraging nor discouraging the path because it is purely of personal taste. But the success depends on the intensity and vigour in the love to the Lord. Until unless mind is convinced with true spiritual knowledge, it is difficult to practice. Divine knowledge is to be practiced to get the grace of Lord and is not meant for teaching only or for discussions only. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > dear friends > > All the Gopikas who were having different types of bonds with Lord Krishna became mad after the departure of Lord Krishna from Brindavanam. Not only Radha who had the sexual relationship, but also Yasoda How did you get this idea that Radha had sexual relations with Krishna...as far as my knowledge goes none of our authentic scripture have any mention of this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 Q) You say that even a cinema song slightly modified and diverted to the Lord can be the Gayatri Mantra. A cinema song like ‘Churaliya Hai’ is not having pious meaning. How can it be a Gayatri mantra? A) You are mocking a person travelling on the donkey towards the goal. But you are travelling on a pig covered by silk cloth. Then how can you mock at the donkey? You are singing the Astapadi song to please God, which has very much vulgar meaning in Sanskrit i.e., “ Gopi Peena Payodhara Mardana Chanchala Karayuga Saali”. This means that Lord Krishna is pressing the breasts of Gopikas. Don’t you think that our cinema song has better polished meaning than this? Because it is in Sanskrit and you don’t know its meaning, you are singing it very loudly. Churaliya Hai Tumne Jo dilko – Nazar Nahi Churaana Hare (The word Sanam is replaced by the word Hare and the song is diverted to Lord Krishna). Therefore whatever may be the nature of the vehicle if it is turned towards God it is pious. Gopikas reached and pleased the Lord through romance as said in Bhagavatam. Since it is diverted to the Lord such romance is the pious spiritual path. An atheist may do social service but that is only a sinful service. Any quality diverted towards the Lord is good and any quality diverted towards the world is bad. You may know Vedic hymns but if you praying the Lord with Vedic hymns to achieve something in return from the Lord you are travelling by a good horse in the opposite direction you are becoming more and more far from the Lord. A pig or donkey towards the direction of Lord is better than a horse travelling in the opposite direction. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Baba ji <beirut_ka_baba wrote: , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > dear friends > > All the Gopikas who were having different types of bonds with Lord Krishna became mad after the departure of Lord Krishna from Brindavanam. Not only Radha who had the sexual relationship, but also Yasoda How did you get this idea that Radha had sexual relations with Krishna...as far as my knowledge goes none of our authentic scripture have any mention of this. SURYA surya www.universal-spirituality.org Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 Q) What do you mean by Vairaagyam, Sayujyam and Kaivalyam? A) When you cut all your bonds of love on all the things and on all the people in this world, it is called ‘Vairaagyam’. But this stage is not sufficient. The reason for this stage should be the love formed on the Lord. Due to this new bond on the Lord, all the old bonds must be cut. If the new bond does not exist and simply the old bonds are cut, that is only salvation. A stone is also having salvation because it does not have any bond on any thing or any body in this world. If one leaves the family and the house by taking Sanyasa, all that is a waste, if he has not taken the Sanyasa for the sake of the Lord. The new bond with the Lord (Bhakthi) should be the reason for the detachment from all the other bonds (Vairaagyam). Only Vairaagyam is useless without Bhakthi. If Bhakthi is achieved, Variraagyam is automatic. There is no need of any effort for attaining the Vairaagyam. If you have tasted the divine nectar (Amrutham), you will automatically discard the other drinks. Without tasting the divine nectar, you cannot leave the drinks. Even if you leave the drinks without tasting the divine nectar, you will go to the drinks after some time with very high vigor. Therefore Vairaagyam without Bhakthi is not only waste but is also impossible. Just see this example. A young man loved a girl for the past one month. The parents are not agreeing for the marriage. But the young man cuts all his bonds, which were developed, with his parents for the past twenty-five years due to this one-month-old new bond! The million births old bonds are cut by a single new bond developed with the Lord in human form in this birth. Swami Vivekananda could cut all the family bonds for the sake of the divine work of His Satguru (Rama Krishan Paramahamsa). Similarly Gopikas could cut all the family bonds for the sake of the Lord in human form (Krishna). A small atom bomb can destroy huge mountains. Narada wrote that one should love the Lord as a lover loves his or her darling (Jaara Vatcha). He also gave the example of Gopikas in the next Sutra (Yathaa Vraja Gopikanaam). Such love involves the practical sacrifice. The lover is leaving his or her parents practically to go along with his or her darling. Even if the parents threaten stating that they will not give the property if he/she marries his/her lover, the boy or the girl is prepared to leave all the property for the sake of his or her lover. When the parents manage to kill him or her, she or he is committing suicide. Therefore for the sake of the lover one can cut all the family bonds, bond with wealth and money and even the bond with the life. When you can do these things in the case of the lover, how can I believe that they are impossible things in the case of the Lord? This means that you don’t have that much real love on the Lord. Holy Jesus told that one should cut the bond even with his life for the sake of the Lord. If something is impossible, that should be impossible every where. The new love is called ‘Saayujyam’ and ‘Kaivalyam’. Saayujyam means becoming close to the Lord. Kaivalyam means becoming one with the Lord. Kaivalyam does not mean merging in the Lord physically. Whatever the devotee says, the Lord will say the same. Whatever the devotee wishes the Lord wishes the same. This is vice-versa also. Such oneness is called Kaivalyam. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org pyari_h <no_reply> wrote: Wrong quote 'adi shakti'! This is verse 4 of Britrihari's 'Vairagya Shataka' and not from 'Sringara Shataka'- there is a vast difference between 'Vairagya' and 'Sringara'! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 A useful article by Swami Sivananda Saraswati Suppression and Sublimation In the practice of brahmacharya, what is wanted is elimination of lust, but not suppression. Suppression of the sex urge is not eradication. You can never be free of that which is suppressed. The suppressed sex desire will attack you again and again and will produce wet dreams, irritability and restlessness of mind. To read more go to http://www.atmajyoti.org/sw_techniques_sex_sublimation.asp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 20, 2005 Namaste _/\_ all. Here is another helpful excerpt to expand our understanding. These interesting details about Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu are given in the book - "Appreciating Sri Vrindavana Dhama" by Sri Mahanidhi Svami The Adi Rasa: Pure Conjugal Love "As described by Sri Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur, the original mellow, 'adi-rasa', is conjugal love and Krishna is the origin of Pure Spiritual Conjugal Love"(SB6.9.45p.) "In the body there are different types of humor, rasa or mellow. The Supreme mellow is called the conjugal mellow, adi-rasa" (SB 4.25.18p.) "Qualitatively, we are as good as Krishna. Therefore whatever propensities Krishna has, we have too. For example, Krishna has the propensity to love someone of the opposite sex, and therefore we have this propensity. The beginning of Love is present in the Love between Radha and Krishna. We are also seeking eternal Love, but because we are conditioned by the material laws, our love is limited and interrupted. But if we can transcend this interruption, we can take part in unlimited loving affairs similar to those of Krishna and Radha." (TQK) Sri Caitanya's Highest Contribution "In unalloyed Love of Godhead we have to engage our senses, sarvendriya, all the senses. This means that sex is also to be engaged in the devotional service of Lord Krishna. The conception of God as father or mother (vatsalya rasa), does not allow engagement of one's sex in the service of the Lord, because there is no sexual relationship with the father and mother. But in the conception of God as a Lover, there is sexual engagement also. Therefore, Caitanya Mahaprabhu gave the most perfect information of our engagement with the Supreme Lord. "Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu informs us that one can even have sexual engagement with the Lord." (but we also have to remember - Narada Bhakti Sutra- 'tat sukhe sukhitvam'- the selfless Divine Love of Gopis is for the sole pleasure of Divine Beloved, Sri Krishna) This valuable information is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's unique contribution. In this material world, sexual engagement is considered to be highest engagement, the greatest ultimate pleasure of senses, although it exists only in a perverted form. No one, however, has concieved that there can be sexual engagement in spiritual world. There is not a single instance of such theology anywhere in the entire world. This unique information is given for the first time by Caitanya Mahaprabhu; one can have the Supreme Personality of Godhead as one's Husband, as one's Lover." "This is possible only in the worship of Radha and Krishna, but no one, especially impersonalists cannot understand Radha-Krishna. The impersonalists have no idea. They cannot even conceive that God has form. But Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu says that not only does God has form but He has sex life also. This is the highest contribution of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Jaya Sri Radhey! , "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote: > > > A useful article by Swami Sivananda Saraswati Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 21, 2005 Namaste _/\_ all. Here is my translation to a pada of Sri Narahari dasa Thakur from 'Gambhiraa me Sri Vishnupriya' - pg. 192 This song describes of a sweet dream in which conjugal Madhurya Rasa is enjoyed by the Gopi-Sakhi (Madhumati): "My Divine Beloved appeared on my bed and seated Himself very, very close to me.... It is impossible for me to count my blessings! I could only look at Him with a heavy side-long glance overpowered by my silly shyness. The Embodiment of amorous Love, Gaura Candra, the Golden Moon, knowing this maid servant fully well to be His own possession, His eternally surrendered soul, plunged me in His boundless joy of Divine Love. He sweetly whispered again and again into my ears - "Dearest sweetheart, I love you more than my very own life!" and took me into His firm embrace drowning my consciousness in ecstatic bliss. But still I was mercilessly restrained by my natural feminine modesty. Lord Gaura skillfully transfered into my mouth the intoxicating nectar of His chewed paan- (spiced betel leaves) and started drinking the beauty of my face, tenderly caressing my lips with His soft lotus hands! Who could even imagine the expertise of His passionate lovemaking! In the concluding verse, Rasik Saint Narahari Thakur declares- My soul Beloved has deeply imprinted His ever lasting image upon my tender melted heart - as the One and Only desirable, seductive Supreme male, Who ever enchants the blessed youthful maidens. The same author also wrote this exquisite Sanskrit verse: gopInAM kuca-kuGkumena nicitaM vAsaH kim asyAruNam nindan-kAJcana-kAnti-rasa-rasika-zleSeNa gauraM vapuH tAsAM gADha-karAbhibandhana-rasollAsodgamaM dRzyate AzcaryyaM sakhi pazya lampaTa-guroH sannyAsI-vezaM sthito Gopi Saint Mira bai had also declared her sweet dream in this song: "mai mhAre supnA mAM..." In my dream, sister, the Lord of the downtrodden wed me. Deities danced in attendence, fifty-six million, the Dark One was Groom in my dream. In my dream were arched marriage gateways, a clasping of hands, sister. In a dream the Lord of the downtrodden married Mira and took her to bed. Good fortune from previous births comes to fruit. ('For Love Of The Dark One'- Songs of Mirabai, Andrew Schelling) Jaya Sri Radhey! -------------- > "dr. jaya" <pyari_h> wro , pyari_h <no_reply> wrote: > The Adi Rasa: Pure Conjugal Love > > The beginning of Love is present in the Love between Radha and Krishna. > This valuable information is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's unique contribution. > > This unique information is given for the first time by Caitanya > Mahaprabhu; > one can have the Supreme Personality of Godhead as one's Husband, > as one's Lover." > > "This is possible only in the worship of Radha and Krishna, but no > one, especially impersonalists cannot understand Radha-Krishna. > But Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu says that not only > does God has form but He has sex life also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
