Protest to Article in Bhavan's journal

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Excerpts from Bhavan’s journal dt.15 Jan 2006- Article ‘Life beyond

incarnation’ by Parur S Ganesan.

 

The author has quoted the two slokas ‘yada yada hi dharmasya’

and ‘Paritranaya sadhunam’ and he writes, ‘While the mission

statement in the former sloka is gentle and passive the same in the

latter was aggressive, even smacking violence.

The purpose of the article seems to be that even an incarnation

cannot escape the result of His karma.

He further says ‘ the first three incarnations were in line with the

first objective. Ithowever turned out to be terribly violent in

Narasimha, crafty in Vamana, violent again in the two Ramas and

Krishna.’

‘ The Lord as Narasimha not only indulged in extreme violence of

tearing off the chest and intestines of Hiranyakasipu but in a fit

of anger, lost His senses and evenrank His blood and Swallowed his

raw flesh before trembling Prahlada and others.’

About Vamana he writes,’ Vamana tricked Emperor Mahabali by

exploiting the latter’s munificence.’

 

About Krishna, ‘ Krishna did indulge in few annihilations but there

was no horror story except the killing of Kamsa . This is however

overlooked as a juvenile act. In the Bhagavatgita, however, he

advocated violence.

 

About Rama, ‘Skippiong the optionof bargaining peace he opted for war

and killed Ravana.’ He futher justifies the abduction of Sita as

retaliation of the maiming of Surpanakha..’Except keeping Sita as

captive Ravana never went beyond rajaneethi. Yet Ramaindulged in

arson,mass destruction and killing of innocent citizens of Lanka.’

 

Even a superficial reader of Ramayana and Bhagavata can see the

absurdities and distortions of facts in this article . Though every

one of the statements made in the article can be refuted I think it

is a sheer waste of time to indulge in denying what is obviously an

untruth. However I have voiced my protest to the editor and have sent

my article on the significance of Dasavatara

[Guest guest]

It is not shocking to note such blatant allegations against the Lord Himself in

these magazines. These so called secular magazines in the name of research

articles write all sorts of things against basic tenets of vEdhic cannotations.

 

However, let us discuss a few of the points from AzvAr-angle

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

-

sarojram18

Oppiliappan

Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:35 PM

Protest to Article in Bhavan's journal

 

 

Excerpts from Bhavanâ?Ts journal dt.15 Jan 2006- Article â?~Life beyond

incarnationâ?T by Parur S Ganesan.

 

The author has quoted the two slokas â?~yada yada hi dharmasyaâ?T

and â?~Paritranaya sadhunamâ?T and he writes, â?~While the mission

statement in the former sloka is gentle and passive the same in the

latter was aggressive, even smacking violence.

The purpose of the article seems to be that even an incarnation

cannot escape the result of His karma.

He further says â?~ the first three incarnations were in line with the

first objective. Ithowever turned out to be terribly violent in

Narasimha, crafty in Vamana, violent again in the two Ramas and

Krishna.â?T

â?~ The Lord as Narasimha not only indulged in extreme violence of

tearing off the chest and intestines of Hiranyakasipu but in a fit

of anger, lost His senses and evenrank His blood and Swallowed his

raw flesh before trembling Prahlada and others.â?T

About Vamana he writes,â?T Vamana tricked Emperor Mahabali by

exploiting the latterâ?Ts munificence.â?T

 

About Krishna, â?~ Krishna did indulge in few annihilations but there

was no horror story except the killing of Kamsa . This is however

overlooked as a juvenile act. In the Bhagavatgita, however, he

advocated violence.

 

About Rama, â?~Skippiong the optionof bargaining peace he opted for war

and killed Ravana.â?T He futher justifies the abduction of Sita as

retaliation of the maiming of Surpanakha..â?TExcept keeping Sita as

captive Ravana never went beyond rajaneethi. Yet Ramaindulged in

arson,mass destruction and killing of innocent citizens of Lanka.â?T

 

Even a superficial reader of Ramayana and Bhagavata can see the

absurdities and distortions of facts in this article . Though every

one of the statements made in the article can be refuted I think it

is a sheer waste of time to indulge in denying what is obviously an

untruth. However I have voiced my protest to the editor and have sent

my article on the significance of Dasavatara

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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It is indeed a great shock that "Bhavan's Journal" nurtured so passionately

by the great doyen Dr Munshi to upkeep and focus all our tradional values,

should act exactly in the opposite way. And fortunately its readership is

dwindling and as madam has pointed out it needs to be totally ignored

 

On 13/03/06, Padmanabhan <aazhwar wrote:

>

> It is not shocking to note such blatant allegations against the Lord

> Himself in these magazines. These so called secular magazines in the name of

> research articles write all sorts of things against basic tenets of vEdhic

> cannotations.

>

> However, let us discuss a few of the points from AzvAr-angle

> dAsan

> vanamamalai padmanabhan

> -

> sarojram18

> Oppiliappan

> Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:35 PM

> Protest to Article in Bhavan's journal

>

>

> Excerpts from Bhavanâ?Ts journal dt.15 Jan 2006- Article â?~Life beyond

> incarnationâ?T by Parur S Ganesan.

>

> The author has quoted the two slokas â?~yada yada hi dharmasyaâ?T

> and â?~Paritranaya sadhunamâ?T and he writes, â?~While the mission

> statement in the former sloka is gentle and passive the same in the

> latter was aggressive, even smacking violence.

> The purpose of the article seems to be that even an incarnation

> cannot escape the result of His karma.

> He further says â?~ the first three incarnations were in line with the

> first objective. Ithowever turned out to be terribly violent in

> Narasimha, crafty in Vamana, violent again in the two Ramas and

> Krishna.â?T

> â?~ The Lord as Narasimha not only indulged in extreme violence of

> tearing off the chest and intestines of Hiranyakasipu but in a fit

> of anger, lost His senses and evenrank His blood and Swallowed his

> raw flesh before trembling Prahlada and others.â?T

> About Vamana he writes,â?T Vamana tricked Emperor Mahabali by

> exploiting the latterâ?Ts munificence.â?T

>

> About Krishna, â?~ Krishna did indulge in few annihilations but there

> was no horror story except the killing of Kamsa . This is however

> overlooked as a juvenile act. In the Bhagavatgita, however, he

> advocated violence.

>

> About Rama, â?~Skippiong the optionof bargaining peace he opted for war

> and killed Ravana.â?T He futher justifies the abduction of Sita as

> retaliation of the maiming of Surpanakha..â?TExcept keeping Sita as

> captive Ravana never went beyond rajaneethi. Yet Ramaindulged in

> arson,mass destruction and killing of innocent citizens of Lanka.â?T

>

> Even a superficial reader of Ramayana and Bhagavata can see the

> absurdities and distortions of facts in this article . Though every

> one of the statements made in the article can be refuted I think it

> is a sheer waste of time to indulge in denying what is obviously an

> untruth. However I have voiced my protest to the editor and have sent

> my article on the significance of Dasavatara

>

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Dasan,

 

Thiruppathi Raguveeradayal

C/O SRIRANGAM SRIMAD

ANDAVAN ASHRAMAM,

THIRUPPULLANI 623532

04567-254242//919443301091

 

 

 

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BIRTHLESS WITH MULTIPLE BIRTHS

 

The heading may sound to be paradox. It may be construed as an element of null

set.

 

However, the statement is true in the context of none other than our EmperumAn.

 

Sri NamAzhvAr categorically mentions

 

'yAnum piRapp-il pal-piRavip perumAnai maRapponRinRi enRum magizhvanEa"

ThriuvAimozhi 2-9-4;

"I will never forget the Lord who is birthless with multiple births"

 

If one has birth he cannot be termed as birthless.On the contrary, if one is

birthless, he cannot be termed as one with sevral births.

The onbadhinAyirappaDi clearly sums up this point

"karma vasyamAna piRAvi inRikkEA irukkach seidhEA - samsArigaLukku vuNDAna

krupAdhisiyathAlEA asankyAvathArangaLaip paNNi aruLum.'

Though not bound by kArmic effects, out of mercy towards the AtmAs stuck in the

samsAram, takes incarnations.

 

That is what upanishads corroborate 'ajAyamAnOA bahUthA vijAyathEA'

 

EmperumAn descends to the earth to rescue the souls. He takes up this task upon

Himself as He is not able to tolerate the insults poured on

 

" Eswaran avatharithuch seiyyum Anaith thozhilgaL ellAm bhAgavathApachAram

poRamAiyinAlEA ' This is the sRevachana bhUshanam sUthram No. 192;

 

 

Though the Lord can decimate these vandals with His sankalpam-s He comes down

personally to vanquish them.

 

 

Summary:

 

1. The Lord is birthless - as he is not bound by kArmic effects.

 

2. EmperumAn out of immense mercy takes up birth.

 

3. He cannot tolerate the insults inflicted on His deovtees and takes upon

Himself all taks to remove their sufferings.

 

(to be continued)

 

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanbhan

-

Thiruppathy Raguveeradayal

Oppiliappan

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:27 AM

Re: Protest to Article in Bhavan's journal

 

 

It is indeed a great shock that "Bhavan's Journal" nurtured so passionately

by the great doyen Dr Munshi to upkeep and focus all our tradional values,

should act exactly in the opposite way. And fortunately its readership is

dwindling and as madam has pointed out it needs to be totally ignored

 

On 13/03/06, Padmanabhan <aazhwar wrote:

>

> It is not shocking to note such blatant allegations against the Lord

> Himself in these magazines. These so called secular magazines in the name of

> research articles write all sorts of things against basic tenets of vEdhic

> cannotations.

>

> However, let us discuss a few of the points from AzvAr-angle

> dAsan

> vanamamalai padmanabhan

> -

> sarojram18

> Oppiliappan

> Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:35 PM

> Protest to Article in Bhavan's journal

>

>

> Excerpts from Bhavanâ?Ts journal dt.15 Jan 2006- Article â?~Life beyond

> incarnationâ?T by Parur S Ganesan.

>

> The author has quoted the two slokas â?~yada yada hi dharmasyaâ?T

> and â?~Paritranaya sadhunamâ?T and he writes, â?~While the mission

> statement in the former sloka is gentle and passive the same in the

> latter was aggressive, even smacking violence.

> The purpose of the article seems to be that even an incarnation

> cannot escape the result of His karma.

> He further says â?~ the first three incarnations were in line with the

> first objective. Ithowever turned out to be terribly violent in

> Narasimha, crafty in Vamana, violent again in the two Ramas and

> Krishna.â?T

> â?~ The Lord as Narasimha not only indulged in extreme violence of

> tearing off the chest and intestines of Hiranyakasipu but in a fit

> of anger, lost His senses and evenrank His blood and Swallowed his

> raw flesh before trembling Prahlada and others.â?T

> About Vamana he writes,â?T Vamana tricked Emperor Mahabali by

> exploiting the latterâ?Ts munificence.â?T

>

> About Krishna, â?~ Krishna did indulge in few annihilations but there

> was no horror story except the killing of Kamsa . This is however

> overlooked as a juvenile act. In the Bhagavatgita, however, he

> advocated violence.

>

> About Rama, â?~Skippiong the optionof bargaining peace he opted for war

> and killed Ravana.â?T He futher justifies the abduction of Sita as

> retaliation of the maiming of Surpanakha..â?TExcept keeping Sita as

> captive Ravana never went beyond rajaneethi. Yet Ramaindulged in

> arson,mass destruction and killing of innocent citizens of Lanka.â?T

>

> Even a superficial reader of Ramayana and Bhagavata can see the

> absurdities and distortions of facts in this article . Though every

> one of the statements made in the article can be refuted I think it

> is a sheer waste of time to indulge in denying what is obviously an

> untruth. However I have voiced my protest to the editor and have sent

> my article on the significance of Dasavatara

>

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C/O SRIRANGAM SRIMAD

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///The Lord as Narasimha not only indulged in extreme violence

of tearing off the chest and intestines of Hiranyakasipu but in

a fit of anger, lost His senses and evenrank His blood and

Swallowed his raw flesh before trembling Prahlada and others///

 

What abacharam! Did the author of this piece forget that

Narasimha forgave 21 generations of Prahalada's anscestors -

including the vile Hiranyakashipu - even before this forgivness

was asked by Prahalada?

 

"Antar Bahischya Tat Sarvam Vapya Narayana Stitaha" is something

that we all know - and please forgive me for the wrong

pronunciations. Is not Narasimha the only Avatar who proves

this?

 

And where did this author pick up the bit about Prahalada

"trembling?" Prahalada never trembled before Narasimha!

 

Malola Dasan,

 

Balaji

 

~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.geocities.com/sherlockbalaji/

Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs

Editor, The Partial Art of Detection

~~~~~~~

 

 

 

 

 

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We need to express our discontent with the editors. Anti-Vedic writings are all

too common...

 

sarojram18 <sarojram18 wrote: Excerpts from Bhavan’s journal dt.15

Jan 2006- Article ‘Life beyond

incarnation’ by Parur S Ganesan.

 

The author has quoted the two slokas ‘yada yada hi dharmasya’

and ‘Paritranaya sadhunam’ and he writes, ‘While the mission

statement in the former sloka is gentle and passive the same in the

latter was aggressive, even smacking violence.

The purpose of the article seems to be that even an incarnation

cannot escape the result of His karma.

He further says ‘ the first three incarnations were in line with the

first objective. Ithowever turned out to be terribly violent in

Narasimha, crafty in Vamana, violent again in the two Ramas and

Krishna.’

‘ The Lord as Narasimha not only indulged in extreme violence of

tearing off the chest and intestines of Hiranyakasipu but in a fit

of anger, lost His senses and evenrank His blood and Swallowed his

raw flesh before trembling Prahlada and others.’

About Vamana he writes,’ Vamana tricked Emperor Mahabali by

exploiting the latter’s munificence.’

 

About Krishna, ‘ Krishna did indulge in few annihilations but there

was no horror story except the killing of Kamsa . This is however

overlooked as a juvenile act. In the Bhagavatgita, however, he

advocated violence.

 

About Rama, ‘Skippiong the optionof bargaining peace he opted for war

and killed Ravana.’ He futher justifies the abduction of Sita as

retaliation of the maiming of Surpanakha..’Except keeping Sita as

captive Ravana never went beyond rajaneethi. Yet Ramaindulged in

arson,mass destruction and killing of innocent citizens of Lanka.’

 

Even a superficial reader of Ramayana and Bhagavata can see the

absurdities and distortions of facts in this article . Though every

one of the statements made in the article can be refuted I think it

is a sheer waste of time to indulge in denying what is obviously an

untruth. However I have voiced my protest to the editor and have sent

my article on the significance of Dasavatara

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hinduism Fund raising Beliefs Religion

 

 

 

 

Visit your group "Oppiliappan" on the web.

 

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Yes.

 

a small reference to ThiruvaiMozhi will go to hihglight this aspect.

 

Is it possible to graceful and blessing to one while being aggressive

simultaneously, is the question addressed in EDu.

 

When Sri Narasimhap perumAL was aggressive on hiranyan how come prhalAdhan can

be the receipient of grace and affection?This was the question addressed to

EmperumAnAr and the reply

"simham Anai mEal sErinAlum, kuTTikku mulai vuNNalAm padi irukkumiREA'

 

Though the line is furious on the elephant the lion cubs can drink milk from the

lion, is it not?

 

and the relevant lines from the pAsuram

 

'sERRathOdu aruL peRRavan -adikEzh puga ninRa -senkaN mAl' ThriuvAi mzohi 3-6-6;

 

now where is the question of trembling

 

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

 

-

Balaji Narasimhan

Oppiliappan

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:39 AM

Re: Protest to Article in Bhavan's journal

 

 

///The Lord as Narasimha not only indulged in extreme violence

of tearing off the chest and intestines of Hiranyakasipu but in

a fit of anger, lost His senses and evenrank His blood and

Swallowed his raw flesh before trembling Prahlada and others///

 

What abacharam! Did the author of this piece forget that

Narasimha forgave 21 generations of Prahalada's anscestors -

including the vile Hiranyakashipu - even before this forgivness

was asked by Prahalada?

 

"Antar Bahischya Tat Sarvam Vapya Narayana Stitaha" is something

that we all know - and please forgive me for the wrong

pronunciations. Is not Narasimha the only Avatar who proves

this?

 

And where did this author pick up the bit about Prahalada

"trembling?" Prahalada never trembled before Narasimha!

 

Malola Dasan,

 

Balaji

 

~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.geocities.com/sherlockbalaji/

Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs

Editor, The Partial Art of Detection

~~~~~~~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a.. Visit your group "Oppiliappan" on the web.

 

b..

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THE CHEST EXAMINATION

 

let us view from svAmi maNavALa mAmunikaL 's vyAkyAnam

'..singa vuruvAi viLan thottu iraniayn ON mArbagalam piLandhitta kaigaLAl

chappAni' PeriyAzvAr Thriumzohi 1-6-9;

 

The Lord examined the the chest deep to find out whether after all this trauma,

some postivie features exists in hiraniyan-looking for a redeeming factor.

 

The text is as follows; 'pEdhiyAlEa, nenkiLagi -anukUlikka-hridhaya parikshaip

paNNi'

 

That is the all compassionate EmperumAn.

 

Thanks for the reference by Sri TCA Venkatesan svAmi.

 

dasan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

-

Balaji Narasimhan

Oppiliappan

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:39 AM

Re: Protest to Article in Bhavan's journal

 

 

///The Lord as Narasimha not only indulged in extreme violence

of tearing off the chest and intestines of Hiranyakasipu but in

a fit of anger, lost His senses and evenrank His blood and

Swallowed his raw flesh before trembling Prahlada and others///

 

What abacharam! Did the author of this piece forget that

Narasimha forgave 21 generations of Prahalada's anscestors -

including the vile Hiranyakashipu - even before this forgivness

was asked by Prahalada?

 

"Antar Bahischya Tat Sarvam Vapya Narayana Stitaha" is something

that we all know - and please forgive me for the wrong

pronunciations. Is not Narasimha the only Avatar who proves

this?

 

And where did this author pick up the bit about Prahalada

"trembling?" Prahalada never trembled before Narasimha!

 

Malola Dasan,

 

Balaji

 

~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.geocities.com/sherlockbalaji/

Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs

Editor, The Partial Art of Detection

~~~~~~~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a.. Visit your group "Oppiliappan" on the web.

 

b..

Oppiliappan

 

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