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Dear Gurubrothers and Gurusisters,

How are u all doing?

Belated birthday wishes to Ashish.

Regarding Disciple and Guru both ashish and anurag are right ,but the

conflicting thing is both are talking 2 diffferent complementary

things and comparing to each other(as if they are supplementary)

UNDERSTANDING GURUDEV IS DIFFERENT FROM UNDERSTANDING WHAT GURUDEV

DOES , BOTH ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE DISPUTED.

 

what Gurudev told was "disciple should do what Gurudev tells and

should not do what Gurudev does".(anurag point)

He cant do what Gurudev does becos he is in lower level then Gurudev.

There is no doubt that Gurudev and disciple are in 2 different

planes,but once Gurudev accepts one as disciple he tries to establish

him self with disciple(COMES TO THE LEVEL OF DISCIPLE) and the

disciple also should like wise do(try to elevate) (ITS 2 WAY)and the

process of YOGA(fusion) starts, but it is not necessary that disciple

immediately realises that Gurudev is within him and trying to see

that, feel that as a 100%reality, when that happens one is towards

the end of journey.

 

so what ashish meant was one has to get inside ourselves(which is

SOUL=GURUDEV)and be in that path of realising and being one with

Gurudev(which is the end point).so this ATTITUDE,EFFORT(that he is an

extension of Gurduev) should be there for a disciple, and based on

this he will slowly merge with Gurudev and its time taking process

and the ATTITUDE AND EFFORT holds the disciple in the path (yoga) of

merging with Gurdev.The MORE HE IS MERGED MORE HE UNDERSTANDS GURUDEV.

 

BUT ONCE IF U ACCEPT SOME ONE AS GURUDEV ,IT IS THE BOUND DUTY OF THE

DISCIPE(DHARMA) TO TAKE GURUDEVS COMMANDS WITHOUT MUCH THOUGHT, AS WE

CANNOT UNDERSTAND HIM AND TO TAKE THE COMMAND AS IS ,YOU NEED NOT BE

COMPLETELY MERGED WITH HIM, BUT DEFENITLY YOU SHOULD HAVE STARTED THE

PATH OR ABOUT TO START THE PATH OF MERGER(YOGA).

 

TO ME THE DAY YOU START TAKING GURUDEVS COMMAND AS IS, THAT IS THE

START/BEGIN OF MERGER(THE REAL SPIRITUAL JOURNEY).AS MERGER IS STILL

QUIET SOMETIME AWAY , BUT DEFENITELY IN SITE.

 

once u merge with Gurudev , then how can u differentiate from him,

where are u? u dont exist u=Gurudev. so then there is 1 entity and

not 2 ,so nothing 2 dispute

 

Before ending even if Gurudev comes to the level of disciple,if the

attitude(as posed by ashish ) ,if not present in disciple ,he cant

understand Gurudev, its a sad thing becos Gurudev has come to the

level of disciple and disciple still dosent have the attitude to

understand him(DURBHAGY).That is why Gurudev stresses on 3 things

SHRADDHA, SEVA, SAMARPAN and then only communication and merging with

Gurudev can be possible what ever level it is.The day u start to

develop this , that day u have started the real journey

 

 

 

Now my friends now u can see how both things are complementary(2

different points).

 

love to all of u.

JAI GURUDEV

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Anurag Goel <anurag@s...> wrote:

>

>

> Ashish guruji has once said in his pravachan that we can't

understand

> whatever he does. He said if we r capable enough to understand him

then it

> means that we r no longer a shishya because then we ourselves will

become

> gurudev.

>

> Guurdev was saying that whenever he gives some Agyaa to some

shishyaa.

> Then true shishyaa is one who carries out his words without a doubt.

>

> A shishya can never understand a Guru because both of them r

standing at

> different planes.

>

>

> > JAI GURUDEV

> > Hi...

> >

> > > It is impossible to understand Gurudev

> >

> > If you can't understand Gurudev, you won't understand yourself. If

> > you won't understand yourself, you would never understand Gurudev.

> > You would never be able to grasp his knowledge. You would never be

> > able to become one with him. Anyone, who considers Gurudev a

separate

> > being, can never be a disciple. You simply are an extesion of

Guruji

> > because your soul carries his essence.

> >

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JAI GURUDEV

Dear Birendra,

 

Where have you been all those days? A very clever analysis of the

Guru-Shishya relationship. Guruji once said, Paras can only turn

stone into gold, but Guru can make his disciple just like himself.

> Belated birthday wishes to Ashish.

 

Thanks.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Ashish Marathe

 

, "birendra singh m" <birendra_m> wrote:

> Dear Gurubrothers and Gurusisters,

> How are u all doing?

> Belated birthday wishes to Ashish.

> Regarding Disciple and Guru both ashish and anurag are right ,but

the

> conflicting thing is both are talking 2 diffferent complementary

> things and comparing to each other(as if they are supplementary)

> UNDERSTANDING GURUDEV IS DIFFERENT FROM UNDERSTANDING WHAT GURUDEV

> DOES , BOTH ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE

DISPUTED.

>

> what Gurudev told was "disciple should do what Gurudev tells and

> should not do what Gurudev does".(anurag point)

> He cant do what Gurudev does becos he is in lower level then

Gurudev.

> There is no doubt that Gurudev and disciple are in 2 different

> planes,but once Gurudev accepts one as disciple he tries to

establish

> him self with disciple(COMES TO THE LEVEL OF DISCIPLE) and the

> disciple also should like wise do(try to elevate) (ITS 2 WAY)and

the

> process of YOGA(fusion) starts, but it is not necessary that

disciple

> immediately realises that Gurudev is within him and trying to see

> that, feel that as a 100%reality, when that happens one is towards

> the end of journey.

>

> so what ashish meant was one has to get inside ourselves(which is

> SOUL=GURUDEV)and be in that path of realising and being one with

> Gurudev(which is the end point).so this ATTITUDE,EFFORT(that he is

an

> extension of Gurduev) should be there for a disciple, and based on

> this he will slowly merge with Gurudev and its time taking process

> and the ATTITUDE AND EFFORT holds the disciple in the path (yoga)

of

> merging with Gurdev.The MORE HE IS MERGED MORE HE UNDERSTANDS

GURUDEV.

>

> BUT ONCE IF U ACCEPT SOME ONE AS GURUDEV ,IT IS THE BOUND DUTY OF

THE

> DISCIPE(DHARMA) TO TAKE GURUDEVS COMMANDS WITHOUT MUCH THOUGHT, AS

WE

> CANNOT UNDERSTAND HIM AND TO TAKE THE COMMAND AS IS ,YOU NEED NOT

BE

> COMPLETELY MERGED WITH HIM, BUT DEFENITLY YOU SHOULD HAVE STARTED

THE

> PATH OR ABOUT TO START THE PATH OF MERGER(YOGA).

>

> TO ME THE DAY YOU START TAKING GURUDEVS COMMAND AS IS, THAT IS THE

> START/BEGIN OF MERGER(THE REAL SPIRITUAL JOURNEY).AS MERGER IS

STILL

> QUIET SOMETIME AWAY , BUT DEFENITELY IN SITE.

>

> once u merge with Gurudev , then how can u differentiate from him,

> where are u? u dont exist u=Gurudev. so then there is 1 entity and

> not 2 ,so nothing 2 dispute

>

> Before ending even if Gurudev comes to the level of disciple,if the

> attitude(as posed by ashish ) ,if not present in disciple ,he cant

> understand Gurudev, its a sad thing becos Gurudev has come to the

> level of disciple and disciple still dosent have the attitude to

> understand him(DURBHAGY).That is why Gurudev stresses on 3 things

> SHRADDHA, SEVA, SAMARPAN and then only communication and merging

with

> Gurudev can be possible what ever level it is.The day u start to

> develop this , that day u have started the real journey

>

>

>

> Now my friends now u can see how both things are complementary(2

> different points).

>

> love to all of u.

> JAI GURUDEV

>

, Anurag Goel <anurag@s...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Ashish guruji has once said in his pravachan that we can't

> understand

> > whatever he does. He said if we r capable enough to understand

him

> then it

> > means that we r no longer a shishya because then we ourselves

will

> become

> > gurudev.

> >

> > Guurdev was saying that whenever he gives some Agyaa to some

> shishyaa.

> > Then true shishyaa is one who carries out his words without a

doubt.

> >

> > A shishya can never understand a Guru because both of them r

> standing at

> > different planes.

> >

> >

> > > JAI GURUDEV

> > > Hi...

> > >

> > > > It is impossible to understand Gurudev

> > >

> > > If you can't understand Gurudev, you won't understand yourself.

If

> > > you won't understand yourself, you would never understand

Gurudev.

> > > You would never be able to grasp his knowledge. You would never

be

> > > able to become one with him. Anyone, who considers Gurudev a

> separate

> > > being, can never be a disciple. You simply are an extesion of

> Guruji

> > > because your soul carries his essence.

> > >

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Birendra u r very right.

 

luv

 

On Mon, 14 May 2001, birendra singh m wrote:

> Dear Gurubrothers and Gurusisters,

> How are u all doing?

> Belated birthday wishes to Ashish.

> Regarding Disciple and Guru both ashish and anurag are right ,but the

> conflicting thing is both are talking 2 diffferent complementary

> things and comparing to each other(as if they are supplementary)

> UNDERSTANDING GURUDEV IS DIFFERENT FROM UNDERSTANDING WHAT GURUDEV

> DOES , BOTH ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE DISPUTED.

>

> what Gurudev told was "disciple should do what Gurudev tells and

> should not do what Gurudev does".(anurag point)

> He cant do what Gurudev does becos he is in lower level then Gurudev.

> There is no doubt that Gurudev and disciple are in 2 different

> planes,but once Gurudev accepts one as disciple he tries to establish

> him self with disciple(COMES TO THE LEVEL OF DISCIPLE) and the

> disciple also should like wise do(try to elevate) (ITS 2 WAY)and the

> process of YOGA(fusion) starts, but it is not necessary that disciple

> immediately realises that Gurudev is within him and trying to see

> that, feel that as a 100%reality, when that happens one is towards

> the end of journey.

>

> so what ashish meant was one has to get inside ourselves(which is

> SOUL=GURUDEV)and be in that path of realising and being one with

> Gurudev(which is the end point).so this ATTITUDE,EFFORT(that he is an

> extension of Gurduev) should be there for a disciple, and based on

> this he will slowly merge with Gurudev and its time taking process

> and the ATTITUDE AND EFFORT holds the disciple in the path (yoga) of

> merging with Gurdev.The MORE HE IS MERGED MORE HE UNDERSTANDS GURUDEV.

>

> BUT ONCE IF U ACCEPT SOME ONE AS GURUDEV ,IT IS THE BOUND DUTY OF THE

> DISCIPE(DHARMA) TO TAKE GURUDEVS COMMANDS WITHOUT MUCH THOUGHT, AS WE

> CANNOT UNDERSTAND HIM AND TO TAKE THE COMMAND AS IS ,YOU NEED NOT BE

> COMPLETELY MERGED WITH HIM, BUT DEFENITLY YOU SHOULD HAVE STARTED THE

> PATH OR ABOUT TO START THE PATH OF MERGER(YOGA).

>

> TO ME THE DAY YOU START TAKING GURUDEVS COMMAND AS IS, THAT IS THE

> START/BEGIN OF MERGER(THE REAL SPIRITUAL JOURNEY).AS MERGER IS STILL

> QUIET SOMETIME AWAY , BUT DEFENITELY IN SITE.

>

> once u merge with Gurudev , then how can u differentiate from him,

> where are u? u dont exist u=Gurudev. so then there is 1 entity and

> not 2 ,so nothing 2 dispute

>

> Before ending even if Gurudev comes to the level of disciple,if the

> attitude(as posed by ashish ) ,if not present in disciple ,he cant

> understand Gurudev, its a sad thing becos Gurudev has come to the

> level of disciple and disciple still dosent have the attitude to

> understand him(DURBHAGY).That is why Gurudev stresses on 3 things

> SHRADDHA, SEVA, SAMARPAN and then only communication and merging with

> Gurudev can be possible what ever level it is.The day u start to

> develop this , that day u have started the real journey

>

>

>

> Now my friends now u can see how both things are complementary(2

> different points).

>

> love to all of u.

> JAI GURUDEV

>

, Anurag Goel <anurag@s...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Ashish guruji has once said in his pravachan that we can't

> understand

> > whatever he does. He said if we r capable enough to understand him

> then it

> > means that we r no longer a shishya because then we ourselves will

> become

> > gurudev.

> >

> > Guurdev was saying that whenever he gives some Agyaa to some

> shishyaa.

> > Then true shishyaa is one who carries out his words without a doubt.

> >

> > A shishya can never understand a Guru because both of them r

> standing at

> > different planes.

> >

> >

> > > JAI GURUDEV

> > > Hi...

> > >

> > > > It is impossible to understand Gurudev

> > >

> > > If you can't understand Gurudev, you won't understand yourself. If

> > > you won't understand yourself, you would never understand Gurudev.

> > > You would never be able to grasp his knowledge. You would never be

> > > able to become one with him. Anyone, who considers Gurudev a

> separate

> > > being, can never be a disciple. You simply are an extesion of

> Guruji

> > > because your soul carries his essence.

> > >

>

>

> Jay Gurudev

>

>

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear BIRU,

After a long time heard so much from you through this underquoted message.It

reminded me of those days in Chandigarh....in Bhopal.....those nightlong

discussions......our conflicts over the philosophies of OSHO......when we spent

our last Rupee for taking "Siddhashram Gutika"..... then you left for Roorkee

with only enough of Cash left for your tickets...and we were stranded in Delhi

waiting for Standard Charterd Bank to open with no money left in our

pockets......that scorching Sun of Bhopal.....You lended all your Money to a

fellow Gurubhai for conducting Sadhana.....to quench our thirst we drank

SugarCane juice with the last bucks.....such amazing were those days......when

be dedicated ourselves on HIS feet......that ecstasy.....that spirit.....that

was life.....though similar inner satisfaction and contentment can also be

achieved Now by conducting SADHANAs......but still the physical presence of a

"GOD" will always be missed......when we never thought about the distances and

the finance......such opportunitites come after many many lives.......such was

GURUDEVs love......such was his attraction.......no amount of Material Wealth

can give us that pleasure or can revive those days for us.......May HIS

Choicest Blessings shower on all of US. Keep In touch. ANUPAM

II JAI GURUDEV II

 

birendra singh m <birendra_m > wrote:

Dear Gurubrothers and Gurusisters,How are u all doing?Belated birthday wishes to

Ashish.Regarding Disciple and Guru both ashish and anurag are right ,but the

conflicting thing is both are talking 2 diffferent complementary things and

comparing to each other(as if they are supplementary)UNDERSTANDING GURUDEV IS

DIFFERENT FROM UNDERSTANDING WHAT GURUDEV DOES , BOTH ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS

AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE DISPUTED.what Gurudev told was "disciple should do what

Gurudev tells and should not do what Gurudev does".(anurag point)He cant do

what Gurudev does becos he is in lower level then Gurudev.There is no doubt

that Gurudev and disciple are in 2 different planes,but once Gurudev accepts

one as disciple he tries to establish him self with disciple(COMES TO THE LEVEL

OF DISCIPLE) and the disciple also should like wise do(try to elevate) (ITS 2

WAY)and the process of YOGA(fusion) starts, but it is not necessary that

disciple immediately realises that Gurudev is within him and trying to see

that, feel that as a 100%reality, when that happens one is towards the end of

journey.so what ashish meant was one has to get inside ourselves(which is

SOUL=GURUDEV)and be in that path of realising and being one with Gurudev(which

is the end point).so this ATTITUDE,EFFORT(that he is an extension of Gurduev)

should be there for a disciple, and based on this he will slowly merge with

Gurudev and its time taking process and the ATTITUDE AND EFFORT holds the

disciple in the path (yoga) of merging with Gurdev.The MORE HE IS MERGED MORE

HE UNDERSTANDS GURUDEV.BUT ONCE IF U ACCEPT SOME ONE AS GURUDEV ,IT IS THE

BOUND DUTY OF THE DISCIPE(DHARMA) TO TAKE GURUDEVS COMMANDS WITHOUT MUCH

THOUGHT, AS WE CANNOT UNDERSTAND HIM AND TO TAKE THE COMMAND AS IS ,YOU NEED

NOT BE COMPLETELY MERGED WITH HIM, BUT DEFENITLY YOU SHOULD HAVE STARTED THE

PATH OR ABOUT TO START THE PATH OF MERGER(YOGA).TO ME THE DAY YOU START TAKING

GURUDEVS COMMAND AS IS, THAT IS THE START/BEGIN OF MERGER(THE REAL SPIRITUAL

JOURNEY).AS MERGER IS STILL QUIET SOMETIME AWAY , BUT DEFENITELY IN SITE.once u

merge with Gurudev , then how can u differentiate from him, where are u? u dont

exist u=Gurudev. so then there is 1 entity and not 2 ,so nothing 2

disputeBefore ending even if Gurudev comes to the level of disciple,if the

attitude(as posed by ashish ) ,if not present in disciple ,he cant understand

Gurudev, its a sad thing becos Gurudev has come to the level of disciple and

disciple still dosent have the attitude to understand him(DURBHAGY).That is why

Gurudev stresses on 3 thingsSHRADDHA, SEVA, SAMARPAN and then only communication

and merging with Gurudev can be possible what ever level it is.The day u start

to develop this , that day u have started the real journeyNow my friends now u

can see how both things are complementary(2 different points).love to all of

u.JAI GURUDEV

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