My thoughts on Samadhi & Advaita

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colette wrote:

> Well for sure it sure is humbling Frank to be reminded that any use

> of words and conceptual meaning is just the lila. But what about the

> other reminder that even all, is just That so is no need to belittle

> but honour even in its differentiation .. For sure we need to not >

let attachment to forms overshadow That.

 

yes, i agree. even the trick that causes us to believe in the

separative ego (avarana or veiling) is itself only brahman the All.

nevertheless, we have to admit that succumbing to that exclusive limit

*exclusively* diverts our mind into *conceiving* traps to begin with!

 

now, if you can explain to me what i just said, i'd appreciate it

immensely! :-))

 

peace in OM.

-frank

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advaitin, "egodust" <egodust@d...> wrote:

> colette wrote:

> > Well for sure it sure is humbling Frank to be reminded that any

use

> > of words and conceptual meaning is just the lila. But what about

the

> > other reminder that even all, is just That so is no need to

belittle

> > but honour even in its differentiation .. For sure we need to not

>

> let attachment to forms overshadow That.

>

> yes, i agree. even the trick that causes us to believe in the

> separative ego (avarana or veiling) is itself only brahman the All.

 

So why call it a trick?

> nevertheless, we have to admit that succumbing to that exclusive

limit

> *exclusively* diverts our mind into *conceiving* traps to begin

with!

 

As is the play of said Brahman

>

> now, if you can explain to me what i just said, i'd appreciate it

> immensely! :-))

 

Don't sweat it!

 

I prefer to not see it as trick but as the play of the Lord of Love.

How else is Love to experience?

 

There is neither Past nor Future. These is only the Present. Yesterday

was the present to you when you experienced it, and tomorrow will also

be the present when you will experience it. Therefore experience takes

place only in the present, and beyond experience, nothing exists.'

 

Ramana Maharshi

 

Is experience a burden or a gift?

 

Col

>

> peace in OM.

> -frank

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Confirmation can be gleaned from Gita V:4-7, with Shankara

Bhashya on them. [archives messages # 7431 and following threads].

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

 

 

advaitin, "raghavakaluri" <raghavakaluri> wrote:

> Dearest Seekers,

> I wish you all a 'Happy New Year 2002'.

>

> We had seen very interesting viewpoints towards 'Study of

Scriptures'

> and 'Meditation'.

>

> It is my understanding that both of them are helpers on the way and

> we have in Gita12:12 something that is more fundamental than the

> above two, which I quote here:

>

> Gita 12:12 -

> 'Knowledge' is indeed better than 'practice' ; 'meditation' is

better

> than 'knowledge' ; 'renunciation of the fruits-of-actions' is

better

> than 'meditation' ; peace immediately follows 'renunciation. '.

>

> Please feel free to confirm or deny the above.

>

> Kind Regards,

> Raghava

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

Renunciation suggests giving up, releasing, relinquishing. Surely

peace can follow.

 

Meditation it seems is not fully effective- giving up must be there

for enlightement.

 

I see this with the Buddha.

 

My understanding is that the Buddha really stopped and then sat - and

that is rare - like the seeking just ended. (This isn't just my idea -

Dave Oshana taught it before I realised it's essential truth)

 

hellman

 

http://www.oshana.org

 

 

 

advaitin, "raghavakaluri" <raghavakaluri> wrote:

> Gita 12:12 -

> 'Knowledge' is indeed better than 'practice' ; 'meditation' is

better

> than 'knowledge' ; 'renunciation of the fruits-of-actions' is

better

> than 'meditation' ; peace immediately follows 'renunciation. '.

>

> Please feel free to confirm or deny the above.

>

> Kind Regards,

> Raghava

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yes dear hellman

u r correct

but what should be renounced

 

an excellent reading is provided by Lord Himself

 

click the following

 

and read adhyay 18 shloka 5 to 11

 

http://in.geocities.com/gitabykrishna/index_text.html

 

with regards

n k bali

 

 

 

--- hellmayo <hellmayo wrote: > Hi,

>

> Renunciation suggests giving up, releasing,

> relinquishing. Surely

> peace can follow.

>

> Meditation it seems is not fully effective- giving

> up must be there

> for enlightement.

>

> I see this with the Buddha.

>

> My understanding is that the Buddha really stopped

> and then sat - and

> that is rare - like the seeking just ended. (This

> isn't just my idea -

> Dave Oshana taught it before I realised it's

> essential truth)

>

> hellman

>

> http://www.oshana.org

>

>

>

> advaitin, "raghavakaluri"

> <raghavakaluri> wrote:

>

> > Gita 12:12 -

> > 'Knowledge' is indeed better than 'practice' ;

> 'meditation' is

> better

> > than 'knowledge' ; 'renunciation of the

> fruits-of-actions' is

> better

> > than 'meditation' ; peace immediately follows

> 'renunciation. '.

> >

> > Please feel free to confirm or deny the above.

> >

> > Kind Regards,

> > Raghava

>

>

>

 

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Namaste,

 

Shri Raghavaji Kalluri [presently on a visit to India,

and unable to respond to this directly himself] requested me to post

his clarification of the context of his post in which he was

referring specifically to the 'renunciation of the fruits of action';

he further referred to Sw. Vivekananda's explication of the same.

He will be able to respond in more detail after his return to USA.

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

 

advaitin, "hellmayo" <hellmayo@a...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Renunciation suggests giving up, releasing, relinquishing. Surely

> peace can follow.

>

> Meditation it seems is not fully effective- giving up must be there

> for enlightement.

>

> I see this with the Buddha.

>

> My understanding is that the Buddha really stopped and then sat -

and

> that is rare - like the seeking just ended. (This isn't just my

idea -

> Dave Oshana taught it before I realised it's essential truth)

>

> hellman

>

> http://www.oshana.org

>

>

>

> advaitin, "raghavakaluri" <raghavakaluri> wrote:

>

> > Gita 12:12 -

> > 'Knowledge' is indeed better than 'practice' ; 'meditation' is

> better

> > than 'knowledge' ; 'renunciation of the fruits-of-actions' is

> better

> > than 'meditation' ; peace immediately follows 'renunciation. '.

> >

> > Please feel free to confirm or deny the above.

> >

> > Kind Regards,

> > Raghava

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Forwarded Message from Sri Peshtin

 

<saddestragaishappyrajaok wrote:

> Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:34:02 -0000

> Re: My thoughts on Samadhi & Advaita

>

> dear sirs,

>

> my own reflections reflect an awareness of being

> aware.

> this goal of lack of knowledge of deep sleep as life

> convinced the

> person in samadhi, as i am told i am, because dogma

> escaped

> the cycle of misunderstanding---i.e. nirvkalpa as

> reflection

> through philosophical awareness.

>

> All men naturally desire knowledge. An indication of

> this is our

> esteem for the senses; for apart from their use we

> esteem them

> for their own sake, and most of all the sense of

> sight. Not only

> with a view to action, but even when no action is

> contemplated,

> we prefer sight, generally speaking, to all the

> other senses.The

> reason of this is that of all the senses sight best

> helps us to

> know things, and reveals many distinctions.

>

> Besides the foregoing problems about the first

> principles we

> must also raise the question whether they are

> universal or such

> as we describe the particulars to be. For if they

> are universal,

> there will be no substances; for no common term

> denotes an

> individual thing, but a type; and substance is an

> individual

> thing.But if the common predicate be hypostatized as

> an

> individual thing, Shankara will be several beings:

> himself, and

> Man, and Animal--that is, if each predicate denotes

> one

> particular thing.These then are the consequences if

> the

> principles are universal. If on the other hand they

> are not

> universal but like particulars, they will not be

> knowable; for the

> knowledge of everything is universal. Hence there

> will have to be

> other universally predicated principles prior to the

> first principles,

> if there is to be any knowledge of them.

>

> Truth means to think these objects, and there is no

> falsity or

> deception, but only ignorance--not, however,

> ignorance such as

> blindness is; for blindness is like a total absence

> of the power of

> thinking. And it is obvious that with regard to

> immovable things

> also, if one assumes that there are immovable

> things, there is

> no deception in respect of time.E.g., if we suppose

> that the

> triangle is immutable, we shall not suppose that it

> sometimes

> contains two right angles and sometimes does not,

> for this

> would imply that it changes; but we may suppose that

> one thing

> has a certain property and another has not; e.g.,

> that no even

> number is a prime, or that some are primes and

> others are not.

> But about a single number we cannot be mistaken even

> in this

> way, for we can no longer suppose that one instance

> is of such a

> nature, and another not, but whether we are right or

> wrong, the

> fact is always the same.

>

> But if, as in the case of the phonetic elements,

> there is no

> reason why there should not be many A's and B's, and

> no "A

> itself" or "B itself" apart from these many, then on

> this basis there

> may be any number of similar syllables.

>

> atmachaitanya108 is a wise man. self manistation is

> unknowable---he proves it as well as shankaraji

> himself.

>

>

> Hare OM, Om

>

> Mr. O. Peshtin

 

 

 

 

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