Vinayaka Posed as Lord Krishna

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Dear Bakthas

 

I got this from chennaionline.com. I was shocked to see a picture of Lord

Vinayaka posed as Lord Krishna with flute and cow. I suggest that Sri Vaishnava

Bhaktas should object this and send thier comments. The Web site address is

http://www.chennaionline.com.

 

Adiyan

 

Ramesh Narasimhan

 

 

 

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Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha !

Srila Prabhupad ki jai !

HH Narayana Yathindram saranam prapadye !

 

Dear Shriman Ramesh Narasimhan,

 

Please accept my dandavats !

 

I share your concern in this regard. For all that we

boast of India being spiritual country, "anartha"s

like this do keep happening every now and then

......Only, the other day I was coming across "Kargil

Vinayagar" ..vinayaga posed atop a canon. Siva

Parvathhi Vinayagar...new concepts are all coming dime

a dozen @ the drop of hat.

 

But, this miscreant attitude toward Lord Krishna is

surely to be severely condemned.

 

I join you in requesting all Vaishnavas to object to

such an offense.

 

An Insignificant Soul,

Srivathsan.

 

 

--- Ramesh Narasimhan <sneha11 wrote:

> Dear Bakthas

>

> I got this from chennaionline.com. I was shocked to

> see a picture of Lord Vinayaka posed as Lord Krishna

> with flute and cow. I suggest that Sri Vaishnava

> Bhaktas should object this and send thier comments.

> The Web site address is

> http://www.chennaionline.com.

>

> Adiyan

>

> Ramesh Narasimhan

 

 

 

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Sri:

 

Dear BhAgavathAs,

AdiyEn's 2 cents' worth on this topic. It would be out of pure enthusiasm

and ignorance of the nature of God (all other than Sriyafpati Sriman

NArAyana is 'god'), that this would have happened. As a good Sri Vaishnava

one should thank our AchAryas, our parents and the Divya Dhampatis for

having kept us out of this 'ganam' and its 'pati'. Such incidents abound in

this world and will consume our everything if we spend our life time on

this. So these are best ignored.

 

There are problems nearer home. For starters, are you aware of the treatment

meted out to our AchArya SArvabhowman Vishnu GhantAvatAram VenkatanAthan

Swami NigamAntha MahA DEsikan? A few so called 'vaishnavas' and 'iyengars'

(here one is not sure what five angams we refer to!), wear their

yangjyopavItam around their ear (like when one visits a souchAlay) when

accepting SatAri and ThIrtam at SwAmi's Sannidhi at the holiest of holy

places for a Sri Vaishnavan i.e, SriRangam.

 

Now how will you condemn this? The best method would be to pray to the Divya

Dhampati at Srirangam to change the outlook of these souls. When correcting

self (AdiyEn that is) is in itself a life time job and continues till rigor

mortis sets in, where is the time for all these distractions.

 

On a lighter note: AdiyEN would even salute this sculpter who showed that

god VinAyaka (jeevan) & its idol (achEtana) is pervaded by Vishnu

(ParamAtman Sriman NArAyana). Please don't miscontrue that AdiyEn s

to the theory that implores people to worship any and every god (read

jeevan) because it is pervaded by Vishnu or theories that deviate from the

way recommended by AlwArs and AchArya and the pratamAcharyan or propounded

by individualistic ideas that 'sound' very logical

 

DAsan

VedAntam SrinivAsarAghavan Ayyangar

 

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alwarraj alwar <srivathsan_v_1999

Ramesh Narasimhan <sneha11, bhakti-list

Re: Vinayaka Posed as Lord Krishna

Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:39:25 -0700 (PDT)

 

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha !

Srila Prabhupad ki jai !

HH Narayana Yathindram saranam prapadye !

 

Dear Shriman Ramesh Narasimhan,

 

Please accept my dandavats !

 

I share your concern in this regard. For all that we

boast of India being spiritual country, "anartha"s

like this do keep happening every now and then

......Only, the other day I was coming across "Kargil

Vinayagar" ..vinayaga posed atop a canon. Siva

Parvathhi Vinayagar...new concepts are all coming dime

a dozen @ the drop of hat.

 

But, this miscreant attitude toward Lord Krishna is

surely to be severely condemned.

 

I join you in requesting all Vaishnavas to object to

such an offense.

 

An Insignificant Soul,

Srivathsan.

 

 

--- Ramesh Narasimhan <sneha11 wrote:

> Dear Bakthas

>

> I got this from chennaionline.com. I was shocked to

> see a picture of Lord Vinayaka posed as Lord Krishna

> with flute and cow. I suggest that Sri Vaishnava

> Bhaktas should object this and send thier comments.

> The Web site address is

> http://www.chennaionline.com.

>

> Adiyan

>

> Ramesh Narasimhan

 

 

 

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Hari Hari,

 

Adiyen would like to share personal opinion in this

regard. Before sharing my opinion, let me tell that I

did not get the chance to see VINAYAKAR in the new way

at http://www.chennaionline.com, Probably it was a

VINAKAYA CHATURTHI special, removed later.

 

Adiyen feels, we should not be considering these types

of things seriously. Adiyen feels, there is nothing

wrong, if a VINAYAKA BHAKTAN enjoys VINAYAKAR in that

vesha-bhushanam. We can also take it in the sense of

enjoyment by feeling "VINAYAKAR has also liked the

vesha-bhusham of our beloved KANNAN and has persuaded

Parvati ammeyaar to dress him like that". Over and

above, let us oppose that if our dear KANNAN is

opposing VINAYAKAR coming in his vesha-bhushanam.

 

Adiyen would apologise if anyone's sentiments have

been hurt by this comment.

 

Hari Hari

 

 

--- alwarraj alwar <srivathsan_v_1999

wrote:

> Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha !

> Srila Prabhupad ki jai !

> HH Narayana Yathindram saranam prapadye !

>

> Dear Shriman Ramesh Narasimhan,

>

> Please accept my dandavats !

>

> I share your concern in this regard. For all that we

> boast of India being spiritual country, "anartha"s

> like this do keep happening every now and then

> .....Only, the other day I was coming across

> "Kargil

> Vinayagar" ..vinayaga posed atop a canon. Siva

> Parvathhi Vinayagar...new concepts are all coming

> dime

> a dozen @ the drop of hat.

>

> But, this miscreant attitude toward Lord Krishna is

> surely to be severely condemned.

>

> I join you in requesting all Vaishnavas to object to

> such an offense.

>

> An Insignificant Soul,

> Srivathsan.

>

>

> --- Ramesh Narasimhan <sneha11 wrote:

> > Dear Bakthas

> >

> > I got this from chennaionline.com. I was shocked

> to

> > see a picture of Lord Vinayaka posed as Lord

> Krishna

> > with flute and cow. I suggest that Sri Vaishnava

> > Bhaktas should object this and send thier

> comments.

> > The Web site address is

> > http://www.chennaionline.com.

> >

> > Adiyan

> >

> > Ramesh Narasimhan

>

>

>

> Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute

> with Messenger

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VedAntam S. Ayyangar writes:

> A few so called 'vaishnavas' and 'iyengars' (here one is not

> sure what five angams we refer to!), wear their yangjyopavItam

> around their ear (like when one visits a souchAlay) when

> accepting SatAri and ThIrtam at SwAmi [Desika]'s Sannidhi at

> the holiest of holy places for a Sri Vaishnavan i.e, SriRangam.

 

I seriously doubt that this is true. It sounds like one

of those ugly, farfetched rumors that are propagated by

extremists on either side of the Sri Vaishnava schism.

I have heard numerous such falsities since I have been

privileged to manage this List, and in every instance

each has been proven to be pure, unsubstantiated rumor.

 

For one, do you think the archakar swAmi at Desikan Sannidhi

would even consider giving tIrtham or SaThAri to someone

who showed such outward signs of disrespect?

 

Please -- if you hear a rumor, don't believe it unless it

is verified either first-hand or by *unbiased*, authoritative

sources. At the very least, do not propagate such nonsense

on this list.

 

Thanks,

Mani

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Srimathe Ramanujaya namaha.

 

Well, I was going to right about this in the list, but I saw Shri

Mani's mail, which was exactly the same I would have written. This is

only a rumour. I don't want to repeat the logical question that Mani

asked, instead, if this were to be true, and being practised even

today, why is there no objection to this from anybody.

 

Please note such kind of false propaganda will only lead to a split

in the otherwise cohesive list where everybody enjoy

the "bhaktAmrutham".

 

Finally, I humbly request, Sri T.S. Sundararajan swamy and Sri

Krishmachariar swamy of "Sri Vaishnava Sri" fame, the Srirangam

sthalathArs, to verify and inform all of us about what was written by

Sri Vedantham. Nevertheless, if this is true, this dastardly act is

to be severely condemned by all irrespective of the kalai bedham and

see to that it does not take place again.

 

AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam

 

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh

 

 

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Mani Varadarajan <mani

Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:31:34 -0700

vayyangar

CC: bhakti-list

Re: Vinayaka Posed as Lord Krishna

 

 

VedAntam S. Ayyangar writes:

> A few so called 'vaishnavas' and 'iyengars' (here one is not

> sure what five angams we refer to!), wear their yangjyopavItam

> around their ear (like when one visits a souchAlay) when

> accepting SatAri and ThIrtam at SwAmi [Desika]'s Sannidhi at

> the holiest of holy places for a Sri Vaishnavan i.e, SriRangam.

 

I seriously doubt that this is true. It sounds like one

of those ugly, farfetched rumors that are propagated by

extremists on either side of the Sri Vaishnava schism.  

I have heard numerous such falsities since I have been

privileged to manage this List, and in every instance

each has been proven to be pure, unsubstantiated rumor.

 

For one, do you think the archakar swAmi at Desikan Sannidhi

would even consider giving tIrtham or SaThAri to someone

who showed such outward signs of disrespect?

 

Please -- if you hear a rumor, don't believe it unless it

is verified either first-hand or by *unbiased*, authoritative

sources.  At the very least, do not propagate such nonsense

on this list.

 

Thanks,

Mani

 

 

 

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Sri:

Dear Sri Venkat SwAmin & Srinath SwAmin,

AdiyEn also would wish that this information is false and some souls would

not deviate from the 'path'. AdiyEn was equally pained by what AdiyEn had

heard.

 

Please rest assured that AdiyEN's source of information had been a well

meaning SAttvic Sri Vaishnava and not some 'unauthentic' and 'unbiased'

source as Sri Mani would have us believe. Sri. Mani does not know the source

and may not be in a postion to judge therefore. So his words that AdiyEn's

words are "nonsense being propogated in Bhakti list"

 

(Being a moderator Sri Mani could have checked my background before calling

this writeup a nonsense!

 

Being a moderator adiyEn expected a more moderate language than this!),

 

is being received by reciting Dwayam 108 times. (AdiyEn's practice when any

Bhagavad & BhAgavata ApachAram is heard / seen. AdiyEn did the same when

AdiyEn was unfortunate enough to hear the treatment meted out to our SwAmi).

 

AdiyEn would believe that due to AdiyEn's anAdi pApam and this being the

last in AdiyEn's cycle, the karmA is taking effect as the balance sheet is

being squared by HIM ). So this tirade is welcome!

 

Besides information from such 'authenticate' and 'unbiased' sources, adiyEn

had the misfortune (some 3 years ago) of hearing from the archaKa, at

Desikan sannidhi 'first hand' that swAmi's sannidhi is under perpetual

neglect and adiyEN could see it. Rumor! Now you can question this source

also? Somehow adiyEn is unable to. Search me!

 

Now with such information and anumAnam adiyEn may be wrong to have

'accepted' another Sri Vaishanava's word for the treatment meted to my

SwAmi. But having known the ubhaya kalais stoop to various lows, AdiyEn

never once doubted the veracity of the bhAgavata's statement. If someone

gets offended and reacts rather than makes amends, adiyEn is not

responsible.

 

So there would not be any 'Forgive adiyEn if anyone's sensitivities are

offended'! Au contraire. If someone is offended then this would be

EmberumAn's Divya Anghyai to act and remedy the situation, not wish it away

or 'do an ostrich'. AdiyEn fully welcomes DevarIr's suggestion to enquire

into this.

 

And the message has been: Situations cannot be changed by condeming or using

abusive language. All of us acknowledge / know implicitly the dwEsham that

is going on between ubhaya kalais (between the uninitiated and uneducated,

of course) and this could be changed only by prayers to the AchAryAs and the

Divya Dhampatis. If that message has not been recvd because of the purported

'nonsense', adiyEn's mail had failed to deliver!

 

DAsan

VedAntam SrinivAsarAghavan AyyangAr

 

 

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Purpose of life is transform your ability to experience living, so that the

situation you have been 'trying to change' or have been 'putting up with'

will clear in the process of life itself )

 

 

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vinjamoorvenkat

mani,vayyangar

CC: bhakti-list

Re: Re: Vinayaka Posed as Lord Krishna

Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:50:11 +0900

 

Srimathe Ramanujaya namaha.

 

Well, I was going to right about this in the list, but I saw Shri

Mani's mail, which was exactly the same I would have written. This is

only a rumour. I don't want to repeat the logical question that Mani

asked, instead, if this were to be true, and being practised even

today, why is there no objection to this from anybody.

 

Please note such kind of false propaganda will only lead to a split

in the otherwise cohesive list where everybody enjoy

the "bhaktAmrutham".

 

Finally, I humbly request, Sri T.S. Sundararajan swamy and Sri

Krishmachariar swamy of "Sri Vaishnava Sri" fame, the Srirangam

sthalathArs, to verify and inform all of us about what was written by

Sri Vedantham. Nevertheless, if this is true, this dastardly act is

to be severely condemned by all irrespective of the kalai bedham and

see to that it does not take place again.

 

AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam

 

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh

 

 

---- Begin Original Message ----

 

Mani Varadarajan <mani

Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:31:34 -0700

vayyangar

CC: bhakti-list

Re: Vinayaka Posed as Lord Krishna

 

 

VedAntam S. Ayyangar writes:

> A few so called 'vaishnavas' and 'iyengars' (here one is not

> sure what five angams we refer to!), wear their yangjyopavItam

> around their ear (like when one visits a souchAlay) when

> accepting SatAri and ThIrtam at SwAmi [Desika]'s Sannidhi at

> the holiest of holy places for a Sri Vaishnavan i.e, SriRangam.

 

I seriously doubt that this is true. It sounds like one

of those ugly, farfetched rumors that are propagated by

extremists on either side of the Sri Vaishnava schism.  

I have heard numerous such falsities since I have been

privileged to manage this List, and in every instance

each has been proven to be pure, unsubstantiated rumor.

 

For one, do you think the archakar swAmi at Desikan Sannidhi

would even consider giving tIrtham or SaThAri to someone

who showed such outward signs of disrespect?

 

Please -- if you hear a rumor, don't believe it unless it

is verified either first-hand or by *unbiased*, authoritative

sources.  At the very least, do not propagate such nonsense

on this list.

 

Thanks,

Mani

 

 

 

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