Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2005 Aren't we a Kaula group basically? Eve__69 <eve__69 wrote:I didn't say only path. But the means of these Buddhist tantras have at their base the yabyum which is a householder thing obviously, and yet, they are used by monks for Mahamudra. This is what I meant, below. "Buddhist tantra is the only tantra specifically formulated to make samsara into nirvana through realization through daily life and not through retreats and running always elsewhere." But surely, this is also an attitude of hindu tantra? ----I can't say exactly, as most of what the west knows of kaula is merely based on the fantasies of Robert Svoboda and his imaginary Don Juan named Vimalananda. Regards Lars / / Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2005 The only true path is the one you are on. Pretty much the path you are on (with some exceptions) is the one you probably need to be on. That the religion or worship you are in or attracted to either by birth or adoption reflects or compliments your inner reality. This is good or for the bad keeping in mind that one can learn from negative examples as well as positive examples. This is a world of contrasts and differences. Each of us are unique and also similar to one another. At our core we all are going after the same thing. Again there are exceptions but that is essentially true. My friend Rosalyn has a daughter. Her daughter asked Rosalyn what happened after death. Rosalyn the good existential she is explained what she thought happened and thought she had answered the question correctly and truthfully for her daughter. About a few later, her daughter came back to report that her mother had it all wrong. The little girl explained about Jesus and the angels and heaven, etc. Rosalyn was surprised. She asked how she came by that knowledge and the girl told her that her maid said this is how it was. Rosalyn explained that obviously hers was not the answer her daughter was looking for. Rosalyn said that her daughter found what she wanted and reflect her inner concerns. So her daughter's inner spirituality found its outer form. Maybe all our religions are that way as expression of our indivdual or collective spirituality. Perhap if we understood that, we could understand for each of us that there is really only one true path imperfectly that of our own. Eric , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > Aren't we a Kaula group basically? > > Eve__69 <eve__69@h...> wrote:I didn't say only path. But the means of these Buddhist tantras have at their base the yabyum which is a householder thing obviously, and yet, they are used by monks for Mahamudra. This is what I meant, below. > > > "Buddhist tantra is the only tantra specifically formulated to make samsara into nirvana through realization through daily life and not through retreats and running always elsewhere." > > But surely, this is also an attitude of hindu tantra? > > ----I can't say exactly, as most of what the west knows of kaula is merely based on the fantasies of Robert Svoboda and his imaginary Don Juan named Vimalananda. > > Regards > > Lars > > > > > > -------------------------------- - > Links > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2005 Hi Eric: I hope your friend commended her daughter for asking, and encouraged her to keep asking, and maybe even, if/when she's old enough, to do some reading on the subject. I wonder if there are any children's books that explore spirituality that include information about different religions? I could imagine a children's book showing school friends of the main character attending their respective church, synagogue, temple, etc. on the weekend, weeknight, whatever, but can't quite imagine what kind of detail could be gone into regarding the spirituality of each different setting. There have been some on-board discussions about hathayoga which you can find in the archives, though I'm not sure how to use the archives most effectively. I love this topic, so I'm posting this little tome in reply I have gone to Anusara yoga studios, and taken a weekend workshop with John Friend. I enjoyed those experiences, but have preferred studios that offer a range of hathayoga, including Ashtanga, Iyengar, and Viniyoga. I definitely prefer the approach of adapting classic yoga postures to the body of the individual. At the same time, the Iyengar use of props to assist the body to achieve a classical pose (optimum alignment) is also instructive. Iyengar separates breathing instruction from asana instruction and practice, and I have found that to be less effective than working with teachers who acknowledge/emphasize the breath in asana practice. In addition to trying out various studios and teachers, I would suggest using a video at home to assist in building strength and familiarity with asanas, and to see/feel, quietly on your own, how practicing asanas affects you and can fit with your other practices. Yoga for Energy, a Yoga Journal video featuring Rodney Yee, has timed sequences geared toward times of day and intention of practice, such as a wake up sequence, a creativity sequence, etc. There's a Yoga for Strength, Yoga for Relaxation, and Yoga for Flexibility 3-video set, also from Yoga Journal. Of that set, I prefer the Yoga for Strength video; that and the Yoga for Energy video are the best of the 5, IMHO. I have other videos, including a John Friend video called Yoga for Meditators, but I use these others the most. I think all asana practice is hathayoga, even if they call it Jivamukti, Ashtanga, Iyengar, Anusara, etc. I watched a video re Jivamukti before, rented it from my local video store. It was just the same asanas being done, with a particular philosophy attached. I have found that Kundalini yoga is different in that the emphasis is on core strengthening, many asanas have different names, and the teachers are Sikh (I hope I spelled that right) or Sikh-influenced. Enjoy your practice. Namaste, Mary Ann , "Eric Otto" <eottoe2001> wrote: > The only true path is the one you are on. Pretty much the path you > are on (with some exceptions) is the one you probably need to be on. > That the religion or worship you are in or attracted to either by > birth or adoption reflects or compliments your inner reality. This is > good or for the bad keeping in mind that one can learn from negative > examples as well as positive examples. This is a world of contrasts > and differences. Each of us are unique and also similar to one > another. At our core we all are going after the same thing. Again > there are exceptions but that is essentially true. > > My friend Rosalyn has a daughter. Her daughter asked Rosalyn what > happened after death. Rosalyn the good existential she is explained > what she thought happened and thought she had answered the question > correctly and truthfully for her daughter. About a few later, her > daughter came back to report that her mother had it all wrong. The > little girl explained about Jesus and the angels and heaven, etc. > Rosalyn was surprised. She asked how she came by that knowledge and > the girl told her that her maid said this is how it was. Rosalyn > explained that obviously hers was not the answer her daughter was > looking for. Rosalyn said that her daughter found what she wanted and > reflect her inner concerns. So her daughter's inner spirituality > found its outer form. > > Maybe all our religions are that way as expression of our indivdual or > collective spirituality. Perhap if we understood that, we could > understand for each of us that there is really only one true path > imperfectly that of our own. > > Eric > , sankara menon <kochu1tz> > wrote: > > Aren't we a Kaula group basically? > > > > Eve__69 <eve__69@h...> wrote:I didn't say only path. But the means > of these Buddhist tantras have at their base the yabyum which is a > householder thing obviously, and yet, they are used by monks for > Mahamudra. This is what I meant, below. > > > > > > "Buddhist tantra is the only tantra specifically formulated to make > samsara into nirvana through realization through daily life and not > through retreats and running always elsewhere." > > > > But surely, this is also an attitude of hindu tantra? > > > > ----I can't say exactly, as most of what the west knows of kaula is > merely based on the fantasies of Robert Svoboda and his imaginary Don > Juan named Vimalananda. > > > > Regards > > > > Lars > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- > > > - > > Links > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 3, 2005 Hi Mary Ann - Haven't been to the group in a long time. Glad to see that you are still around. That was a very thoughtful reply. The issue for me at the moment is for strength and flexability. I took up yoga not for enlightenment but due to a bad knee or more exactly a tight "IT Band" and hamstrings. While it is very tough for me at this time to do, I feel good after so I want to do more. You have given me a good road map. Rosalyn told a group of us that story about twelve years ago. I met her daughter in Vermont two years ago. She was like a sophmore in high school. She is a determined individual. She is a free thinker. Why don't you write that book! I don't know either how you would go about expressing the spirituality of each group. You can show outward things but the spirituality is another issue. Perhaps you could look at the outward thing as the heart of the inner. For example, I had an Islamic client who whenever I came by - even to just drop off something - he would make me come inside, talk and fix me turkish coffee. I always felt like the lost brother that he hadn't seen in twenty years. Of my Islamic friends, they were alway great talkers and very welcoming. As an outsider to Catholicism, I'm always impressed with the sense of community and the beauty of the mass. With my Hindu friends it seems to be politeness and care with each conversation. That would be a great book. Kundalini yoga you said focuses on the core. For the knee I have been doing pilate (expensive!) but they focus a great deal on the core. My posture is much better and I can feel that the lower part of the body is stronger and more aligned. I'll talk to the instructors telling them that I need to strengthen first and then focus more on the core later. Have to say while I'm doing some of the positions, I'm not enjoying them - but after - I feel so much better. Or should I say, days after I feel so much better. Nameste, Eric , "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61> wrote: > Hi Eric: I hope your friend commended her daughter for asking, > and encouraged her to keep asking, and maybe even, if/when > she's old enough, to do some reading on the subject. I wonder if > there are any children's books that explore spirituality that > include information about different religions? I could imagine a > children's book showing school friends of the main character > attending their respective church, synagogue, temple, etc. on the > weekend, weeknight, whatever, but can't quite imagine what kind > of detail could be gone into regarding the spirituality of each > different setting. > > There have been some on-board discussions about hathayoga > which you can find in the archives, though I'm not sure how to > use the archives most effectively. I love this topic, so I'm posting > this little tome in reply > > I have gone to Anusara yoga studios, and taken a weekend > workshop with John Friend. I enjoyed those experiences, but > have preferred studios that offer a range of hathayoga, including > Ashtanga, Iyengar, and Viniyoga. I definitely prefer the approach > of adapting classic yoga postures to the body of the individual. At > the same time, the Iyengar use of props to assist the body to > achieve a classical pose (optimum alignment) is also > instructive. Iyengar separates breathing instruction from asana > instruction and practice, and I have found that to be less effective > than working with teachers who acknowledge/emphasize the > breath in asana practice. > > In addition to trying out various studios and teachers, I would > suggest using a video at home to assist in building strength and > familiarity with asanas, and to see/feel, quietly on your own, how > practicing asanas affects you and can fit with your other > practices. Yoga for Energy, a Yoga Journal video featuring > Rodney Yee, has timed sequences geared toward times of day > and intention of practice, such as a wake up sequence, a > creativity sequence, etc. There's a Yoga for Strength, Yoga for > Relaxation, and Yoga for Flexibility 3-video set, also from Yoga > Journal. Of that set, I prefer the Yoga for Strength video; that and > the Yoga for Energy video are the best of the 5, IMHO. I have > other videos, including a John Friend video called Yoga for > Meditators, but I use these others the most. > > I think all asana practice is hathayoga, even if they call it > Jivamukti, Ashtanga, Iyengar, Anusara, etc. I watched a video re > Jivamukti before, rented it from my local video store. It was just > the same asanas being done, with a particular philosophy > attached. I have found that Kundalini yoga is different in that the > emphasis is on core strengthening, many asanas have different > names, and the teachers are Sikh (I hope I spelled that right) or > Sikh-influenced. > > Enjoy your practice. > > Namaste, > > Mary Ann > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2006 My dearest Nora and Friends in Shakti Sadhna, I am of the 'belief' (in that I do ot know), that the awakening of the Kundalini is the beginning of (say) true realisation (for want of a better word in my vocabulary). Again I believe if this force is awakened without preparedness, then the effects can be disasterous, as the nadis explode because f this tremendous force (as I understand). If I do not have a true spiritual guru in physical form to guide me, can you please suggest a benign sadhana to awaken and raise my kundalini as I believe this is indeed the form of our sweet Devi within us. Thank you very much, With love, Red NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: --- In , "litsol" <litsol wrote: > > > I wonder,why no one puts and shares his experience, only refers to > other's theory or statement. Sometimes personal experiences is questionable too u know. People who claim to have their kundalini' risen etc. Is it an illusion or real? U see a lot of people using the net to self advertise themselves, braging about their experiences. Its feeding their ego. This need to be acknowledge that they have accomplish something. So one have to be careful when trying to share experiences esp on spiritual matters. And the net is the best place to promote oneself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2006 Now im currently working in the new homepage. IM wayyyyyy behind time. Tried very hard not to get distracted, but somehow its hard sometimes, especially when good friend come to say hello, its rude not to respond. Okay with regards to your question, if you go through our message board, there's a lot of discussion and suggestion with regard to Kundalini etc. A good place to start perhaps in this discussion ; http://www.shaktisadhana.org/Resource/Messageboard/kundalini.html or browse through our message board discussion. There's a whole lot of it in there, that if you know what to look for and have the patience. For patience is virtues and virtues is one of the many attributes of DEVI PARASHAKTI. -- In , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > My dearest Nora and Friends in Shakti Sadhna, > > I am of the 'belief' (in that I do ot know), that the awakening of the Kundalini is the beginning of (say) true realisation (for want of a better word in my vocabulary). > > Again I believe if this force is awakened without preparedness, then the effects can be disasterous, as the nadis explode because f this tremendous force (as I understand). > > If I do not have a true spiritual guru in physical form to guide me, can you please suggest a benign sadhana to awaken and raise my kundalini as I believe this is indeed the form of our sweet Devi within us. > > Thank you very much, > > With love, > > Red > > > NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: --- In , "litsol" <litsol@> wrote: > > > > > > I wonder,why no one puts and shares his experience, only refers to > > other's theory or statement. > > > Sometimes personal experiences is questionable too u know. People who claim to have their kundalini' risen etc. Is it an illusion or real? U see a lot of people using the net to self advertise themselves, braging about their experiences. Its feeding their ego. This need to be acknowledge that they have accomplish something. > > So one have to be careful when trying to share experiences esp on > spiritual matters. And the net is the best place to promote oneself. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 6, 2006 But if you nonetheless insist that i comment your experiences, go ahead narrate them if you must, but i cannot promise i will react, but maybe someone else who knows more about Kubjika devi can respond iand in the end you might even get your "offical Kundalini master practiconer acknowledgement" from another SS list members. Mahahradantha -----I guess that would be me since I saw kundallini as commonly described once as a kid. And have felt her flow ever since. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 7, 2006 We have been through this before Maha. But I learn my lessons. I don't steer ships into icebergs. There are those who 'know' and those who 'No!' - "mahahradanatha" <mahahradanatha > <> Tuesday, August 08, 2006 4:55 AM Re: Kundalini > , "Llundrub" <llundrub > wrote: >> >> >> But if you nonetheless insist that i comment your experiences, go >> ahead narrate them if you must, but i cannot promise i will react, >> but maybe someone else who knows more about Kubjika devi can respond >> iand in the end you might even get your "offical Kundalini master >> practiconer acknowledgement" from another SS list members. >> >> Mahahradantha >> >> -----I guess that would be me since I saw kundallini as commonly > described >> once as a kid. And have felt her flow ever since. >> > > Yes make her feel good > > Commonly described ? Where ? In the source material the puranas, > the tantras, the upanishads, the hatha Yoga Texts of the Nath panth? > As described by modern kaula masters for instance like Swami > lakshman joo? Or the descriptions that where provided by the Bengal > sri vidya Upasakas A. Avalon studied with? > Have you experienced the the most common siddhis that accrue like > Watching from the distance, knowing past present and future, knowing > the thoughts of everybody around? And if you have have they lasted? > > Or those "itchings" described in new age books like the one Gopi > Krishna wrote? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 7, 2006 Excuse me? Who are you talking to? - "mahahradanatha" <mahahradanatha > <> Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:45 AM Re: Kundalini > , "Llundrub" <llundrub wrote: >> >> We have been through this before Maha. But I learn my lessons. I > don't >> steer ships into icebergs. There are those who 'know' and those > who 'No!' >> > Now you say you have a vajrayana teacher? Why do you need a Guru? > When you have already raised Kundalini you have reached everything why > you still folllow a teacher? > > The tibetan Yogis go into retraet and practise completion stage yoga > and nadi -bindu yoga also called, tummo chandali, whichh is > approximatley the same practice as Kundalini yoga, the go into full > retreat for 3 years and another three years, and maybe some after 30 > years the achieved what you already claim to have. > And now it hurts your ego if i do not believe all these claims of the > do it yourself realised why that if you are already enligtened you > should be above such petty emotions? > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 8, 2006 , "Llundrub" <llundrub wrote: > > > But if you nonetheless insist that i comment your experiences, go > ahead narrate them if you must, but i cannot promise i will react, > but maybe someone else who knows more about Kubjika devi can respond > iand in the end you might even get your "offical Kundalini master > practiconer acknowledgement" from another SS list members. > > Mahahradantha > > -----I guess that would be me since I saw kundallini as commonly described > once as a kid. And have felt her flow ever since. > Yes make her feel good Commonly described ? Where ? In the source material the puranas, the tantras, the upanishads, the hatha Yoga Texts of the Nath panth? As described by modern kaula masters for instance like Swami lakshman joo? Or the descriptions that where provided by the Bengal sri vidya Upasakas A. Avalon studied with? Have you experienced the the most common siddhis that accrue like Watching from the distance, knowing past present and future, knowing the thoughts of everybody around? And if you have have they lasted? Or those "itchings" described in new age books like the one Gopi Krishna wrote? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 8, 2006 Maha say: Now you say you have a vajrayana teacher? Lhundrub Say: I was thinking that you are calling me a Vajrayana practitioner? You honor me greatly. Thank You Maha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 8, 2006 , "Llundrub" <llundrub wrote: > > We have been through this before Maha. But I learn my lessons. I don't > steer ships into icebergs. There are those who 'know' and those who 'No!' > Now you say you have a vajrayana teacher? Why do you need a Guru? When you have already raised Kundalini you have reached everything why you still folllow a teacher? The tibetan Yogis go into retraet and practise completion stage yoga and nadi -bindu yoga also called, tummo chandali, whichh is approximatley the same practice as Kundalini yoga, the go into full retreat for 3 years and another three years, and maybe some after 30 years the achieved what you already claim to have. And now it hurts your ego if i do not believe all these claims of the do it yourself realised why that if you are already enligtened you should be above such petty emotions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 9, 2006 , "mahahradanatha" <mahahradanatha wrote: > > Dear Zn > I don´t understand why you are so interested that I acknowledge your > experiences as genuine. "You hear what you want to hear, you see what you want to see" ... The Point, by Harry Nilsson I do not seek this from you or any, as it is only in experimentation that I attempt to discern validity or an independent point of view which conveys "veracity" whatever that is. I respond to your insults implied and overt, and take issue with you telling me that you know what I "believe" ... especially since I don't "believe" any damn thing, even if I did would not be to you to say. I do stuff. Some of it is pretty weird by most standards. So weird that others don't think I say truth, so whatever. I do what I do. I got past the "show me" stage long ago, the hard way ... mostly, anyways ok, but I am more than capable of response, I am not without ego > what difference would that make to you whether i do or not? > Are you in doubt yourself, so that you need outside support? > If you are not in doubt what is so special about my opinion? > who am i? Just as I will stand up to the Xn fundies on other boards who clamor for making a parking lot of holy grounds, I will comment also on other generalizations which sweepingly encompass a group without respect. Here, that would be you at the moment. > I never wrote that i have made any Kundalini experience at all, i do > not belive in the big "Kundalini experience" nor my teachers, that > should be clear after i told ye that my parameshti gurus jokes about > people having raised their kundalini. > In the Kaula Jnana Nirnaya that is a vital text of the adherents of > Matsyendranatha not a single word can be found about kundalini though > there are a lot of others devis mentionend in the chakras. > In another work of Matsyendranath it is said that ther are two ways > the natural and the artifical and that kundalini is the artifical. > (abstract) First one thinks about the symbol, then comes the actual > the snake is a symbol. It does not live anywhere in the body, and > its first effect is one of OBSTRUCTION since in this symbol she > sticks her head in the linga in Muladhara, OBSTRUCTING the energy > flow.That means she is an OBSTACLE. I do not meditate on things, I focus on NoThing. There is no symbol or mantra which is my focus I find only balance and Flow. To me, symbols are intrinsicly limiting, but hey, that's just my way. Whatever your way is, is perfect for you. But, by the same token, my way is perfect for me, and it is annoying for you to attempt to project your way onto me especially at the same time as saying otherwise, but perhaps I am overly sensitive having spent so much time with those who propogate a dualistic manner of thinking. > > But if you nonetheless insist that i comment your experiences, go > ahead narrate them if you must, but i cannot promise i will react, > but maybe someone else who knows more about Kubjika devi can respond > iand in the end you might even get your "offical Kundalini master > practiconer acknowledgement" from another SS list members. Heh. You don't even know, and I ain't gonna tell. ZN Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 9, 2006 I only wonder what all this has to do with Kundalini? And this applie to Llundrubs Kundalini as well Kundalini is a method of self development that is well definend, it and similar theories are and have been practiced in India China and Tibet. To be successful in this practice if you are very fast you need at least 3 years for the theory you need 6 years for the nadi purifying you need at least another 12 to be sucessful in the main practice and this only if you are fast and have studied the stuff for several incarnations before. But because most people are not that fast hatha yogis try to prolong their live to full 120 or 150 years to be sucessful. Looking at the Kundalini from the bhakti aspect we have srividya, this is supposed to be the fastest and safest method. Now i don´t know how long Kochuji from this list has practised srividya i guess more than 30 years, and he has posted on this forum awhile ago that he has not experienced any kundalini rising. But since you are all so very convinced that you have raised your kundalini you are not even interested to hear about the definition of the symbolic kundalini process as it is described in the upanishads puranas and tantras or by the few very rare masters like Swami laksman joo. What is the reason that both of you have to use a indic terms in a completly different new age or magickal context? If you call water sand and a glas a newspaper and you tell me that you just drank all the sand out of the newspaper, what sense does that make? > I do not seek this from you or any, as it is only in experimentation > that I attempt to discern validity or an independent point of view > which conveys "veracity" whatever that is. > > I respond to your insults implied and overt, and take issue with you > telling me that you know what I "believe" ... especially since I > don't "believe" any damn thing, even if I did would not be to you to > say. I do stuff. Some of it is pretty weird by most standards. So > weird that others don't think I say truth, so whatever. I do what I > do. > > I got past the "show me" stage long ago, the hard way ... mostly, > anyways ok, but I am more than capable of response, I am not without > ego > > > what difference would that make to you whether i do or not? > > Are you in doubt yourself, so that you need outside support? > > If you are not in doubt what is so special about my opinion? > > who am i? > > Just as I will stand up to the Xn fundies on other boards who clamor > for making a parking lot of holy grounds, I will comment also on > other generalizations which sweepingly encompass a group without > respect. Here, that would be you at the moment. >> I do not meditate on things, I focus on NoThing. There is no symbol > or mantra which is my focus I find only balance and Flow. To me, > symbols are intrinsicly limiting, but hey, that's just my way. > Whatever your way is, is perfect for you. But, by the same token, > my way is perfect for me, and it is annoying for you to attempt to > project your way onto me especially at the same time as saying > otherwise, but perhaps I am overly sensitive having spent so much > time with those who propogate a dualistic manner of thinking. > > > > Heh. You don't even know, and I ain't gonna tell. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2006 ZN, I adore as my only Guru the Adi Shakti Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi, who is within every human in the form of Mother Kundalini as well as in the form of the Tue Self,the Spirit.Stll,there is something I don;t get from what you say.How was you Kundalini awakened?Humans are just unable to do so by themselves. Also,generally,why is there so much fighting going on here?The member here are supposed to be seekers,shouldn't they strive to apply the golden rule?The mighty Lord Jesus Christs said "Do not judge in order not to be judged". - Znanna Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:32 AM Kundalini Thus spoke Maharadanatha... If you have no Guru it is better you do not do any practices connected with Kundalini, in this case the question of how to know what are the signs is academic and can only be answered very individually because each path differs considerably. ***The only Guru I adore is HEr. Tell me that's a bad thing To me ego is the dark side - and claiming high accomplishments is nothing but ego. It is not within the nature of any true sage to claim accomplishments, so that's why it is so easy to see who is a fake. ***Agreed. The resolution/balance of One and Many is very difficult. Don't ask me how I know. ***What would you have, for those who are cursed and blessed with this twisting to deny the fact that integration is happening so that proprieties may be observed? Sorry if you consider me rude, but it is a fact that the double current is en-twining and replicating and all that stuff (don't see any official terms in there so please don't classify this as degrading of tradition) and I personally see this as a good thing, even if some of us Westerners are involved! Devi is everywhere Is this always a mutual exchange where everybody gains, or is the influence of westerners or people that have been raised in a modern western society, commenting on eastern philosophy and religion detrimental to the local traditions, or the other way around can eastern philosophy or practice be detrimental to the westerners? ***Stuff happens to both East and West. Must the westerners adapt it or not? What is too much adaptation? What is the moment where the gap becomes that big that both sides cannot understand it each other anymore? ***Stuff happens to both East and West. Is it especially detrimental if westerners claim high achievement or act as if they are in the "know" ? Or is everything fine as it is? ***Godz forbid some might actually know. ***Ashes to ashes, dust to dust ZN Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2006 Dear Zn Maybe it is because english is not my mother tongue that i am misunderstood. Please you like to read my latest answer to Lulu. It is not about you or your experience or anybodys experiences it is not at all about persons or experiences, it is about the names we give to experiences, it is about attachment to the name and form (nama rupa) and about association of words, and how that down limits the scope of possible awareness and bliss the experiencer can have and other things to do with us, how the monkey trap can make us hate other people, start flame wars, feel sorry, depressed or elated. , "Znanna" <ninahill wrote: > > Thus spoke Maharadanatha... > > > > If you have no Guru it is better you do not do any practices > connected with Kundalini, in this case the question of how to know > what are the signs is academic and can only be answered very > individually because each path differs considerably. > > ***The only Guru I adore is HEr. Tell me that's a bad thing > > To me ego is the dark side - and claiming high accomplishments is > nothing but ego. It is not within the nature of any true sage to > claim accomplishments, so that's why it is so easy to see who is a > fake. > > ***Agreed. The resolution/balance of One and Many is very difficult. Don't > ask me how I know. > > ***What would you have, for those who are cursed and blessed with this > twisting to deny the fact that integration is happening so that proprieties > may be observed? Sorry if you consider me rude, but it is a fact that the > double current is en-twining and replicating and all that stuff (don't see > any official terms in there so please don't classify this as degrading of > tradition) and I personally see this as a good thing, even if some of us > Westerners are involved! Devi is everywhere > > Is this always a mutual exchange where everybody gains, or is the > influence of westerners or people that have been raised in a modern > western society, commenting on eastern philosophy and religion > detrimental to the local traditions, or the other way around can > eastern philosophy or practice be detrimental to the westerners? > > ***Stuff happens to both East and West. > > Must the westerners adapt it or not? What is too much adaptation? What > is the moment where the gap becomes that big that both sides cannot > understand it each other anymore? > > ***Stuff happens to both East and West. > > Is it especially detrimental if westerners claim high achievement or > act as if they are in the "know" ? Or is everything fine as it is? > > ***Godz forbid some might actually know. > > ***Ashes to ashes, dust to dust > > > ZN > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2006 You know there IS more about Kundalini, it is for instance exactly that small thread of that uninterrupted experiencer that stays awake aware throughout the 3 and 1/2 (coils) or posible states of awareness the human experiencer can have, because he left the realm the attachment to name form etc. But i can only tell if the debris is gone. , "mahahradanatha" <mahahradanatha wrote: > > Dear Zn > Maybe it is because english is not my mother tongue that i am > misunderstood. Please you like to read my latest answer to Lulu. > It is not about you or your experience or anybodys experiences it is > not at all about persons or experiences, it is about the names we > give to experiences, it is about attachment to the name and form > (nama rupa) and about association of words, and how that down limits > the scope of possible awareness and bliss the experiencer can have > and other things to do with us, how the monkey trap can make us hate > other people, start flame wars, feel sorry, depressed or elated. > > > > , "Znanna" <ninahill@> wrote: > > > > Thus spoke Maharadanatha... > > > > > > > > If you have no Guru it is better you do not do any practices > > connected with Kundalini, in this case the question of how to know > > what are the signs is academic and can only be answered very > > individually because each path differs considerably. > > > > ***The only Guru I adore is HEr. Tell me that's a bad thing > > > > To me ego is the dark side - and claiming high accomplishments is > > nothing but ego. It is not within the nature of any true sage to > > claim accomplishments, so that's why it is so easy to see who is a > > fake. > > > > ***Agreed. The resolution/balance of One and Many is very > difficult. Don't > > ask me how I know. > > > > ***What would you have, for those who are cursed and blessed with > this > > twisting to deny the fact that integration is happening so that > proprieties > > may be observed? Sorry if you consider me rude, but it is a fact > that the > > double current is en-twining and replicating and all that stuff > (don't see > > any official terms in there so please don't classify this as > degrading of > > tradition) and I personally see this as a good thing, even if some > of us > > Westerners are involved! Devi is everywhere > > > > Is this always a mutual exchange where everybody gains, or is the > > influence of westerners or people that have been raised in a modern > > western society, commenting on eastern philosophy and religion > > detrimental to the local traditions, or the other way around can > > eastern philosophy or practice be detrimental to the westerners? > > > > ***Stuff happens to both East and West. > > > > Must the westerners adapt it or not? What is too much adaptation? > What > > is the moment where the gap becomes that big that both sides cannot > > understand it each other anymore? > > > > ***Stuff happens to both East and West. > > > > Is it especially detrimental if westerners claim high achievement or > > act as if they are in the "know" ? Or is everything fine as it is? > > > > ***Godz forbid some might actually know. > > > > ***Ashes to ashes, dust to dust > > > > > > ZN > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2006 How To Avoid Self-Righteousness: It is weakness that requires others to follow your lead. Your belief system is valid. Everyone is right. Within your own universe and your own reality, all these things that you believe in strongly are true. They are true for you and others who believe as you do, but opinions are not universal truth and everything is subjective. In order to avoid the traps of self-righteousness, be conscious of your beliefs. Hold to those beliefs and stand firm in your convictions. Believe in yourself. Now, remember, that other people are doing the same thing. If you seek to trump their beliefs with yours, then you have waded into the shallow end of the pool of self- righteousness. You can be on the road or you can be in the parking lot. You can find your way and continue your journey, or you can stand and fight over nothing. When you fight over opinions and beliefs, you fight over nothing. You're better off fighting over the last piece of chicken in the bucket, at least you'll have a chance of getting something. Share your beliefs, believe as you will, but afford the same grace to others. You are completely right. Within your own reality. So, enjoy being right and let everyone else be right as well. (the dead guy) , "Llundrub" <llundrub wrote: > > I don't discuss experiences. But this I will say. Kundalini is kundalini > like a rose is a rose, and I don't need any self avowed German expert > telling me anything about it. I don't need gurus or books or anything else. > > I have been knowing Her since I was in my teens. I could care less if > someone doesn't like that, or if they were devout hatha yogins from the mid > 1800s with 200 year life spans and it took them 100 years of solid practice > to reach Her awakening where it took me a few weeks. Nobody on Earth can say > what will happen from one day to the next let alone how someone else will > develop. > > Maybe kundalini is not something people really want since it makes life a > good bit harder dealing with peripheral awarenesses. That's my experience. > Kundalini is not fun. > > I have to admit I didn't follow this thread. Whenever someone starts > pontificating kundalini correctness I have to sink back inside a bit and - > actually - laugh a little. Or maybe weep. I mean, who cares really what > others think? If thinking they are kundalini tantrics gets them through > their days then - so be it! > > So I'm Vajrayana and we don't even talk kundalini. Before that actually I > spent four years at MIU practicing TM and studied the Vedic literature and > two years of Sanskrit. After that I read tantras, mostly of the Shakti > pursuasion since that's my bent. > > I have learned so much that I have studied systems which had two chakras, > five, seven, nine and even fourteen chakras. I may even practice all of > them intermittently. > > I don't care for experts. An expert is someone who only knows one thing > well. Should they learn something else they are experts no longer. > > Whatever, time to scratch the bawls and have a beer. Life is short. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2006 On 8/10/06, Dionisis <mprgrandmaster (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > > Also,generally,why is there so much fighting going on here?The member here > are supposed to be seekers,shouldn't they strive to apply the golden > rule?The mighty Lord Jesus Christs said "Do not judge in order not to be > judged". New Guy ? Someone else can explain in good words what happens here. But if you stick around for sometime, you will understand the hidden meaning behind all these debate (as I would like to call it.. ). Thanks and Regards Dp - > Znanna > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:32 AM > Kundalini > > > Thus spoke Maharadanatha... > > > > If you have no Guru it is better you do not do any practices > connected with Kundalini, in this case the question of how to know > what are the signs is academic and can only be answered very > individually because each path differs considerably. > > ***The only Guru I adore is HEr. Tell me that's a bad thing > > To me ego is the dark side - and claiming high accomplishments is > nothing but ego. It is not within the nature of any true sage to > claim accomplishments, so that's why it is so easy to see who is a > fake. > > ***Agreed. The resolution/balance of One and Many is very difficult. > Don't > ask me how I know. > > ***What would you have, for those who are cursed and blessed with this > twisting to deny the fact that integration is happening so that > proprieties > may be observed? Sorry if you consider me rude, but it is a fact that > the > double current is en-twining and replicating and all that stuff (don't > see > any official terms in there so please don't classify this as degrading > of > tradition) and I personally see this as a good thing, even if some of us > Westerners are involved! Devi is everywhere > > Is this always a mutual exchange where everybody gains, or is the > influence of westerners or people that have been raised in a modern > western society, commenting on eastern philosophy and religion > detrimental to the local traditions, or the other way around can > eastern philosophy or practice be detrimental to the westerners? > > ***Stuff happens to both East and West. > > Must the westerners adapt it or not? What is too much adaptation? What > is the moment where the gap becomes that big that both sides cannot > understand it each other anymore? > > ***Stuff happens to both East and West. > > Is it especially detrimental if westerners claim high achievement or > act as if they are in the "know" ? Or is everything fine as it is? > > ***Godz forbid some might actually know. > > ***Ashes to ashes, dust to dust > > ZN > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2006 , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" <dpal.singh wrote: > > On 8/10/06, Dionisis <mprgrandmaster wrote: > > > > > > Also,generally,why is there so much fighting going on here?The member here > > are supposed to be seekers,shouldn't they strive to apply the golden > > rule?The mighty Lord Jesus Christs said "Do not judge in order not to be > > judged". > > > New Guy ? > > Someone else can explain in good words what happens here. But if you stick > around for sometime, you will understand the hidden meaning behind all these > debate (as I would like to call it.. ). > > Thanks and Regards > Dp > why don´t you tell him that SSlist is undergoing her Premenstrual syndrome sometime. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2006 On 8/11/06, mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha > wrote: > > , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" > <dpal.singh wrote: > > > > On 8/10/06, Dionisis <mprgrandmaster wrote: > > > > > > > > > Also,generally,why is there so much fighting going on here?The > member here > > > are supposed to be seekers,shouldn't they strive to apply the > golden > > > rule?The mighty Lord Jesus Christs said "Do not judge in order > not to be > > > judged". > > > > > > New Guy ? > > > > Someone else can explain in good words what happens here. But if > you stick > > around for sometime, you will understand the hidden meaning behind > all these > > debate (as I would like to call it.. ). > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Dp > > > why don´t you tell him that SSlist is undergoing her Premenstrual syndrome sometime. Ha ha ha.. thats a good one.. > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2006 Dionisis, I don't recall ever not communing, my perspective is more from trying to rein myself in from being too sensitive and interactive rather than seeking stimulation! ... when it occurred to me that stuff I did wasn't commonplace (like telepathy and telekenisis and talking with noncorporals and stuff which I did as a kid), I went through changes to learn to understand and control what I did intuitively and to deal with it, almost like a handicap. I'm like, all backwards, and perverse. I learned from not doing rather than from doing, is a way to put it. When I seek to dance with HEr...now as an experienced adult ... what I suppose some call "raising Kundalini" though I don't know others' experience of this, only my own so please pardon me for appropriating the terminology and know that your experience, not mine, is what really matters ... I also often call this prayer or meditation ... this is my practice ... And, please note that this is just my crude notes, the LS is a much more precise not to mention beautiful representation for your reference (thanks, again, Nora for this) . . . enough of disclaimers if you read on and you're offended, please don't blame me! Right, then. This is how I dance with HEr. I get comfortable into a position I can hold without falter for at least an hour. Settling into, relaxing into the posture is important to me. Sometimes a stressful position is good, as the physical attention causes its own point of reference, but sometimes it is good to just be totally relaxed, that's just me. Then, I start to balance myself with breathing. I've found that there is a sort of circular breathing, where you can inhale and exhale at the same time .. I work into this by inhaling thru one nostril and exhaling thru the other, and changing the patterns until I forget what the pattern is/was ... and somehow find myself inhaling and exhaling at the same time. This brings me into a point of balance to start from. Then, sort of like the bass line in a soul music song starting up, I start to feel the throb in the lower chakras, I get that rhythm pulsing and use the energy to start to move the Flow up. Each point of resonance supports the next riff (as in a musical sense) of a different frequency and rhythm up the scale, moving one into another. The bass/rhythm section of the lower vortices support the energizing of the higher frequency upper ones. When I lose my balance working up the scale, I revert back to the rhythm section like a dancer and pick up the beat again. I like to Flow up one into another, maintaining a balance/neuter stance with breathing, using energy from "lower chakras" or what I just called the rhythm section of the band to energize and bend open the vocals, so to speak. (It may well be that I am criticized by applying my own descriptive terms here, but hey, I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't, so whatever ... I pray that someone hears the simplicity of what I say and that is of benefit ... there is no big revelation here, just a simple practice, that's all it takes) After moving up the octaves, then it is to balance in the head as if one is singing soprano with the rhythm and bass section and the guitar lead Then, what I do, and why I call it prayer, is to Call down Her ... my Lady is Inanna, but SHE is infinite, I think it is no matter what Name, so long as respect is given as due! Anyways, I invoke my Mistress, and She comes down, through the top of my head and then the Flow which has been incited by breathing in both directions making inside/inhale and outside/exhale no different is then energized again and there is no up/down, inside/outside, time/space ... there just IS. >From that point, I then start to manipulate the Flow to either refine my practice and deliberateness or alternatively, commune with my Twin/z, the One who also is the Many. It took some years to get this down to the 10 minutes or so it takes me now to get to this point which is the starting point for whatever further work I choose to persue ... but I think it is needful to balance mySelves first, in order to merge with She whom I would invoke and retain the balance throughout ... to me it is an issue of figuring out what to do with what I consider native talent, and to do produce consistent results and retaining balance is oh so critical to the process. As an aside, I would like to note vis a vis Nora's comments, that my hormonal ebb and flow has been to my personal observation very important with respect to the Flow and its effects As a woman, I have certainly been at my most sensitive and inspired points whilst ovulating, for what it's worth. Anyways, that describes my general practice, and for me at least, it is effective in producing results. Hope that helps! Love, ZN Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2006 , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" <dpal.singh wrote: > > On 8/10/06, Dionisis <mprgrandmaster wrote: > > > > > > Also,generally,why is there so much fighting going on here? Well there are as much fighting going on out there as they are in here. Lord Jesus words doesn't do much help either. People still fight. We like to believe [ rather I like to believe ] that SS is the microscopic representation of the outside. The choice is yours, you want to participate or you rather just be the observer, and move on. Nobody will judge you for that. >>> The member here are supposed to be seekers,shouldn't they strive to apply the golden rule? Depends on what each and every one of us are seeking. Some seek attention, some seek answers for the unanswered, some just like being here because we are here, some not sure why they are here. As I see it, all this quarrels are just distractions. If you know what you are seeking for, then you should remain focus. These [distractions] are just an obstacles you have to go through to make this journey more exciting. Part of the transformation process. What does not kill you makes you stronger. March on Soldier !!!!! > New Guy ? We 'die' each day and 'reborn' the next day. Everyday is a new day for us. So aren't we all NEW? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
