help!!!! i need help urgently right now!!!!!

[Guest guest]

if some learned member would use this opportunity to

define what karma is, how does it play in our role,

how to reduce it, what is the effect of spiritual

practices like srividya on the karma, etc it would be

of great help to people like me, who wish to know what

it is but

havn't found a good reply yet.Let us have a post on

the entire doctrine of karma.

jatin

--- sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

>

> Thank you.

>

>

>

>

>

> manoj_menon <ammasmon wrote: Hello:

>

> My intellectual discussion on a specific point of

> karma, which I

> took off this original request for help, seems to be

> ill-timed.

>

> This poor person really neeeds help, and I took the

> discussion to

> another track. While that track is valid (in my

> view), the timing

> was bad. I apologize for that.

>

> Sir, I pray that a mircale happens and that you are

> relieved off the

> immediate trouble you are in, and that you will

> never have to go

> through this again.

>

> May Lalita-amba (Playful Mother) grace you with

> blessings to 'play

> you out' of this situation! (this is a sincere

> prayer where I have

> used the figure of speech called 'pun' to please the

> Divine Mother;

> no offence meant to anybody).

>

> Jai Ma!

>

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I had a good laugh over this (reference to Bhandasura); I think you

meant Bhasurananda, which is the sacred name of perhaps the greatest

shakta ever, Bhaskarayya; Bhandasura is the asura who got a boon from

Lord Siva that you would be able to burn everthing down to ashes if

he touched them on the head, needless to say, his slothy mind led to

his demise when he tried to destroy Lord Siva Himself. Bhandasura and

Bhasurananda are at the opposite extremities of the pole - i think

the moral is that sadhana for genuine need is OK, but for (selfish)

desires, it is dangerous.

 

-yogaman

 

, Jatin Prakash

<jatinprakash> wrote:

> isn't karma burden can be reduced from sri vidya.

> on the shaktisadhana website bhandasura nath has

> written that worshippers of srividya are free from the

> bondage of karma.

> isn't one can burn sprouted karma more rapidly and

> also disable the rest karma to tak full shape by

> following spiritual path like srividya.

> just a thought.

> jatin

>

>

> --- manoj_menon <ammasmon@s...> wrote:

> > , sankara menon

> > <kochu1tz>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chumki:

> > > I feel that we must have a system that personal

> > requirements

> > should be posted here and we must all try to help

> > whoever is in

> > need - in our own little ways. If it works once it

> > would be great.

> > >

> > > And every time we do it - our Karma burden will be

> > reduced to that

> > little extent.

> > >

> > > Care to go for it?

> > >

> > > KOCHU

> >

> > My 2c.

> >

> > I know you are the moderator and mean well, but

> > having a system of

> > posting personal requirements in THIS group may be

> > against the

> > objective of this group.... Having said that, I must

> > say that I

> > think it is a nice thought.

> >

> > Karma burden will be reduced?

> > I don't think so... unless the karma is burnt away

> > yourself or by

> > your Satguru, Karma is never reduced, just

> > 'deferred' for a later

> > time by giving immediate relief nor now..... Again,

> > I have to add a

> > caveat here... Wonderful synergies amongst

> > like-minded people MAY

> > (just may) be able to reduce the karma burden after

> > all.

> >

> > BUT, it is possible that Karma burden of the

> > 'helper/transmitter'

> > may be reduced by doing the seva. The receiver of

> > the seva has a

> > slim chance of reducing his karma.

> >

> > Care to go for it?

> > No. I am skeptical of finding a synergy like that in

> > an online

> > group, but I am willing to hear opposing arguments

> > with the

> > possibility of being convinced.

> >

> > Jai Ma!

> >

> >

> >

> >

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my apologies.

But the good nes is my mistake led people to know

moral of doing spiritual practices.

I hope my request on an essay the doctrine of karma is

accepted and approved by learned members.

JP

--- childofdevi <childofdevi wrote:

>

> I had a good laugh over this (reference to

> Bhandasura); I think you

> meant Bhasurananda, which is the sacred name of

> perhaps the greatest

> shakta ever, Bhaskarayya; Bhandasura is the asura

> who got a boon from

> Lord Siva that you would be able to burn everthing

> down to ashes if

> he touched them on the head, needless to say, his

> slothy mind led to

> his demise when he tried to destroy Lord Siva

> Himself. Bhandasura and

> Bhasurananda are at the opposite extremities of the

> pole - i think

> the moral is that sadhana for genuine need is OK,

> but for (selfish)

> desires, it is dangerous.

>

> -yogaman

>

> , Jatin Prakash

>

> <jatinprakash> wrote:

> > isn't karma burden can be reduced from sri vidya.

> > on the shaktisadhana website bhandasura nath has

> > written that worshippers of srividya are free from

> the

> > bondage of karma.

> > isn't one can burn sprouted karma more rapidly and

> > also disable the rest karma to tak full shape by

> > following spiritual path like srividya.

> > just a thought.

> > jatin

> >

> >

> > --- manoj_menon <ammasmon@s...> wrote:

> > > , sankara

> menon

> > > <kochu1tz>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chumki:

> > > > I feel that we must have a system that

> personal

> > > requirements

> > > should be posted here and we must all try to

> help

> > > whoever is in

> > > need - in our own little ways. If it works once

> it

> > > would be great.

> > > >

> > > > And every time we do it - our Karma burden

> will be

> > > reduced to that

> > > little extent.

> > > >

> > > > Care to go for it?

> > > >

> > > > KOCHU

> > >

> > > My 2c.

> > >

> > > I know you are the moderator and mean well, but

> > > having a system of

> > > posting personal requirements in THIS group may

> be

> > > against the

> > > objective of this group.... Having said that, I

> must

> > > say that I

> > > think it is a nice thought.

> > >

> > > Karma burden will be reduced?

> > > I don't think so... unless the karma is burnt

> away

> > > yourself or by

> > > your Satguru, Karma is never reduced, just

> > > 'deferred' for a later

> > > time by giving immediate relief nor now.....

> Again,

> > > I have to add a

> > > caveat here... Wonderful synergies amongst

> > > like-minded people MAY

> > > (just may) be able to reduce the karma burden

> after

> > > all.

> > >

> > > BUT, it is possible that Karma burden of the

> > > 'helper/transmitter'

> > > may be reduced by doing the seva. The receiver

> of

> > > the seva has a

> > > slim chance of reducing his karma.

> > >

> > > Care to go for it?

> > > No. I am skeptical of finding a synergy like

> that in

> > > an online

> > > group, but I am willing to hear opposing

> arguments

> > > with the

> > > possibility of being convinced.

> > >

> > > Jai Ma!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I'm baffled more by the responses to the request for "bail me out of my

consequences" than by the request itself. Consequences offer an opportunity for

wisdom. A request by someone to "bail me out of my opportunity for wisdom" is a

request for a 'hand out' rather than a 'hand up'. I say this with a giggle: Is

this group for flaming codpendents or for authentic spirituality?

Linda

Jatin Prakash <jatinprakash wrote:if some learned member would use

this opportunity to

define what karma is, how does it play in our role,

how to reduce it, what is the effect of spiritual

practices like srividya on the karma, etc it would be

of great help to people like me, who wish to know what

it is but

havn't found a good reply yet.Let us have a post on

the entire doctrine of karma.

jatin

--- sankara menon wrote:

>

> Thank you.

>

>

>

>

>

> manoj_menon wrote: Hello:

>

> My intellectual discussion on a specific point of

> karma, which I

> took off this original request for help, seems to be

> ill-timed.

>

> This poor person really neeeds help, and I took the

> discussion to

> another track. While that track is valid (in my

> view), the timing

> was bad. I apologize for that.

>

> Sir, I pray that a mircale happens and that you are

> relieved off the

> immediate trouble you are in, and that you will

> never have to go

> through this again.

>

> May Lalita-amba (Playful Mother) grace you with

> blessings to 'play

> you out' of this situation! (this is a sincere

> prayer where I have

> used the figure of speech called 'pun' to please the

> Divine Mother;

> no offence meant to anybody).

>

> Jai Ma!

>

>

>

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Are you saying that any request for assistance, and offers of

suggestions to a person that might bring about the desired

results, are codependent behaviors? What of interbeing? What

of collective consciousness/collective unconsciousness, the

power of prayer, etc.? What is this hand-out versus hand-up

analogy - are you a Republican? (That's a joke:)

 

 

, linda peterson

<lindapeterson2002> wrote:

> I'm baffled more by the responses to the request for "bail me

out of my consequences" than by the request itself.

Consequences offer an opportunity for wisdom. A request by

someone to "bail me out of my opportunity for wisdom" is a

request for a 'hand out' rather than a 'hand up'. I say this with a

giggle: Is this group for flaming codpendents or for authentic

spirituality?

> Linda

> Jatin Prakash <jatinprakash> wrote:if some learned

member would use this opportunity to

> define what karma is, how does it play in our role,

> how to reduce it, what is the effect of spiritual

> practices like srividya on the karma, etc it would be

> of great help to people like me, who wish to know what

> it is but

> havn't found a good reply yet.Let us have a post on

> the entire doctrine of karma.

> jatin

> --- sankara menon wrote:

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > manoj_menon wrote: Hello:

> >

> > My intellectual discussion on a specific point of

> > karma, which I

> > took off this original request for help, seems to be

> > ill-timed.

> >

> > This poor person really neeeds help, and I took the

> > discussion to

> > another track. While that track is valid (in my

> > view), the timing

> > was bad. I apologize for that.

> >

> > Sir, I pray that a mircale happens and that you are

> > relieved off the

> > immediate trouble you are in, and that you will

> > never have to go

> > through this again.

> >

> > May Lalita-amba (Playful Mother) grace you with

> > blessings to 'play

> > you out' of this situation! (this is a sincere

> > prayer where I have

> > used the figure of speech called 'pun' to please the

> > Divine Mother;

> > no offence meant to anybody).

> >

> > Jai Ma!

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I guess this particular message does make me think for a minute and

make me to be reflective of my own actions. Personally as I have said

earlier, I do have mixed reaction when I read this message. One part

of me says: it is a joke a fraud another responded: what if it is a

really genuine case and this person is really desperate and in need

of help. How would we know?

 

A friend came online last night and I post him the same question and

this is his response: Like many others he thinks religion = magic way

to success. Yes ...he's not conning but probably hopeful.. religious

people will help him as they should be more compassionate … yes

that's true but religious people are usually targeted as kind

hearted fools...un-streetwise….. trusting wimps. I do not believe

what is said...but that's why they are targeted ...I was one of

those

who was targeted, night duty extra combat duties coz I am suppose to

be religious and religious people must help...if not they are sinning

but they don't care about what they do...lie and make up stories. I

learnt a lesson…. there's no need to prove to them how religious

you are. Being a fool as nothing to do with being a religious person.

 

And little advise from another "no if it is true its because the

person was desperate but we should not back off saying its your karma

we have to wipe tears off, sympathizing and praying is different from

paying and becoming suckers, if it is a genuine case let it not be

said by Devi that we did not pray for help. I never assume any cry to

be fraud. but I said what he/she deserves let her him/her have it,

let us not takeover HER job."

 

This is perhaps the answer that little voice within have been hoping

for: "never assume any cry to be fraud"

[Guest guest]

Whoaaaaaaaaaaaa.... this may be a Flaming Codependent group instead of an

authentic spiritual group after all, for some. How you jumped to the conclusion

that I was "saying any request for assistance..." is a codependent behavior

suggests you have goddess strength thighs. There is a difference between asking

for a hand up and a hand out. The "bail me I because I lost control of myself

with credit cards" is a request to escape natural consequences and is request

for a hand out. If someone asks "help me figure out where I stepped off the

spiritual path and developed a greedy appetite for material things" is a request

for a hand up. "Helping" someone stay lost isn't loving or spiritual. It isn't

for me to decipher fraud from truth, I simply truly listen to the question.

Bless the obstacles through which we grow. Look for the opportunity in every

diversity.

 

By the way, 'codependency' isn't a derogatory term -- it's a manmade (emphasis

on 'man' as in heirarchical and patriarchical) condition. Women at birth are

greeted with the message that 'since you have a female body, your destiny is to

be a waitress at the banquet of life'. One must be vigilant and authentic or

swirl forever in the confusing eddy of dominant culture.

 

Goddess bless,

Linda

[Guest guest]

i am surprised by what some of you said. some of you think that i

might be joking. maybe i am telling lies. i wondered why some of you

would think this way. answer me something. what would i get if i

really tell lies or joking over what i said? and if it's true, what

can you do? are you going to lend or give me, a total stranger, the

money to settle my needs? no right? so to all you people who said i

might be joking or telling lies, please think properly before you say

so. this is really brainless. if i can get something out of this like

money then surely you can doubt me. but tell me what can i get?????

last but no least, use your brain before you comment.

[Guest guest]

Dearest pbfsg,

 

I am sorry if you have felt offended but from my opinion the reaction

of the members here are justifiable. Your feeling offended is also

justifiable but again lets look at both sides before we make any

conclusion.

 

I think the members here are both undecided as how to react to your

message. Yes! your message is rather a shocking to us particularly to

me. As you have read in my latest message, I have mixed reaction.

Why? Because of experience. But that little voice again caution

me "never assume any cry to be fraud". So that is what some of us

have done : Pray for you. That is the only way we can do.

 

So not everybody here thinks that you are lying.

[Guest guest]

Namste

 

Please correct me if I am wrong , however I have read

somewhere cant currently recall the resource , that

practise of any meditation etc , should not bring

restlesness

, confusion if one expriencess such one should take it

slow

and certainly if possible seek Guru's advice if such

is not

possible very calm meditaiton for Guidence would be

advisable

( in your case pray for Devi's guidance , protection

and direction )

all of this I belive is aspect of rising Kundalini

Energy coiled

at the base of Your spine , while the energy makes its

way

towards Sahasrara Chakra one experiences different

states of

realm ( of course with Devi's blessings You have

recived visions )

 

 

regards, Joanna PS

> i am surprised by what some of you said. some of you

> think that i

> might be joking. maybe i am telling lies. i wondered

> why some of you

> would think this way. answer me something. what

> would i get if i

> really tell lies or joking over what i said? and if

> it's true, what

> can you do? are you going to lend or give me, a

> total stranger, the

> money to settle my needs? no right? so to all you

> people who said i

> might be joking or telling lies, please think

> properly before you say

> so. this is really brainless. if i can get something

> out of this like

> money then surely you can doubt me. but tell me what

> can i get?????

> last but no least, use your brain before you

> comment.

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I only asked a question because I didn't understand what you

meant. I don't understand this message either about "goddess

strength thighs" but I don't care to. There's a story in Gandhi's

autobiography about his desperately needing thousands of

dollars for his ashram, I think, or he would have lost it. A man

drove to his ashram and handed him thousands of dollars in the

nick of time. It wasn't someone he knew, nor someone who

knew he needed it, rather, someone who wanted to give who

appeared at the right time. That's not co-dependence, just

synchronicity, and to me, that's what this posting made me think

of - well, it's what sankara menon's answer to it made me think

of. The initial post I thought sounded desperate and demanding.

 

 

, linda peterson

<lindapeterson2002> wrote:

> Whoaaaaaaaaaaaa.... this may be a Flaming Codependent

group instead of an authentic spiritual group after all, for some.

How you jumped to the conclusion that I was "saying any request

for assistance..." is a codependent behavior suggests you have

goddess strength thighs. There is a difference between asking

for a hand up and a hand out. The "bail me I because I lost

control of myself with credit cards" is a request to escape natural

consequences and is request for a hand out. If someone asks

"help me figure out where I stepped off the spiritual path and

developed a greedy appetite for material things" is a request for

a hand up. "Helping" someone stay lost isn't loving or spiritual.

It isn't for me to decipher fraud from truth, I simply truly listen to

the question. Bless the obstacles through which we grow. Look

for the opportunity in every diversity.

>

> By the way, 'codependency' isn't a derogatory term -- it's a

manmade (emphasis on 'man' as in heirarchical and

patriarchical) condition. Women at birth are greeted with the

message that 'since you have a female body, your destiny is to

be a waitress at the banquet of life'. One must be vigilant and

authentic or swirl forever in the confusing eddy of dominant

culture.

>

> Goddess bless,

> Linda

[Guest guest]

I belonged to the Siddhashram group for a few years. I got to listen to people

constantly asking for help from so-called tantra for every problem in life from

winning arguments with rivals, getting love and sex, to becoming a better and

more successful actor, to of course winning and making money, getting better

jobs, and so on.

 

The notion that tantra is about worldly success at all is my gripe. Anyone

interested in tantra should read the life stories of tantrikas and learn that

tantra and worldly success do not go hand in hand. Tantra is religion. If one

is making money off their religion then one also must answer later to their

deity, that is, pay off the debt incurred. Religion is something that by

necessity, because it is a cure for worldly distress, must not be bought or

sold. To this reason also I stopped associating with people who sell rudraksha

for worldly remedies like for instance, curing eye problems, and so on. I will

never make false promises banking upon God to solve them, and get money from it.

I also am extremely wary of anyone else who does so. It's one thing to sell

rudraksha for spiritual purposes, but quite another to advertise them with false

pretenses as worldly objects for material gain. So also, tantra.

 

So if you want to make a quick 10,000 bucks to solve your credit problems then

go to Siddhashram and do some prayoga, and get in debt to God. It's not a good

way to go about things. Because you will pay back every penny.

 

Now there's the bit about the lessening of karma through devotion. Yes, this of

course is true. This is what tantra is really about. However, karma is lessened

when one lets go of grasping and aversion. In other words, through wisdom, one

feels less the effects of negative and positive. Tantrikas have never been money

hungry kings grasping after other states like Ravana. They have been sages who

live in cemetaries and are not accepted by society. To the degree that you fit

into society smoothly, to that degree you will not be a tantrika. You must have

some reason to become one. Jocks don't become enlightened. Buddha said that

conflict creates the sage. Noone gets wisdom through peace and happiness. The

tantrika is a tantrika because there is no other way for them to go. That's all

that they can do. It's also said that life for the tantrika is like a snake in

a cane, they either go out one end to enlightenment or to hell. Tantra is a very

poisonous game, and is only for those, again, who cannot live any other way.

 

So I don't recommend becoming a tantrika just to get a reduction on your Master

Charge. Of course, if this is your entry into the way, then so be it. However,

for those who grasp after their own personalities and worldly ends, then to them

tantra will be the most heinous poison they will ever know, because at the end

of tantra is the the universe, and the extinction of the personality as an

individual. Of course, for those who enjoy the notion, they understand that

8,000 bucks means nothing when it merges into the trillion dollar account of the

universe itself. And this is what we tantrikas gain, the account of nature.

 

Of course, this also is how we give up karma, by becoming one with the source

of everything. As the individual dies and beomes the dharmata, karma no longer

attaches, as neither do grasping and aversion. So this way, tantrikas sit on

piles of shit and go naked. And so on. Be careful what you wish for, because

today you might be wishing to get rids of bills, and tomorrow you might be an

Avaduti or an Aghora. Hahahahaha.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you to all members who replied to pbfsg's queries. Please be

advised that we have investigated and ascertained that the post was

fraudulent.

 

However, you may be assured that your kind wishes and prayers were

not in vain. And that your intelligent and compassionate advice and

discussion has helped many serious, but silent members.

[Guest guest]

,

>

> I had a good laugh over this (reference to Bhandasura); I think

you

> meant Bhasurananda, which is the sacred name of perhaps the

greatest

> shakta ever, Bhaskarayya; Bhandasura is the asura who got a boon

from

> Lord Siva that you would be able to burn everthing down to ashes

if

> he touched them on the head,

 

 

That is Bhasmasura. Bhandasura is the demon which Lalita vanquished

in Lalitopakhyana.

[Guest guest]

Ok i screwed up LOL. but at least bhandasura and bhasmasura were in

the same category

 

-yogaman

 

 

, "Satish Arigela"

<satisharigela> wrote:

> ,

> >

> > I had a good laugh over this (reference to Bhandasura); I think

> you

> > meant Bhasurananda, which is the sacred name of perhaps the

> greatest

> > shakta ever, Bhaskarayya; Bhandasura is the asura who got a boon

> from

> > Lord Siva that you would be able to burn everthing down to ashes

> if

> > he touched them on the head,

>

>

> That is Bhasmasura. Bhandasura is the demon which Lalita vanquished

> in Lalitopakhyana.