help!!!! i need help urgently right now!!!!!

July 16, 2004

No. But there is The Path of equilibrium which is what we all are striving for.

-

pbfsg

Friday, July 16, 2004 1:21 PM

help!!!! i need help urgently right now!!!!!

can anyone help me? i need to have $8000 on monday(19/7/04) to settle

credit card bills and also other sum of money to settle other

financial needs quickly. is there any mantra or other way i can get

the money i want in such a short period of time????

/

b..

c..

July 16, 2004

Just hold out your hand and see and feel and smell the money. It

will be there.

I will pray for u

, "pbfsg" <pbfsg> wrote:

> can anyone help me? i need to have $8000 on monday(19/7/04) to

settle

> credit card bills and also other sum of money to settle other

> financial needs quickly. is there any mantra or other way i can

get

> the money i want in such a short period of time????

July 16, 2004

Dear Kochu....I laughed and laughed,couldnt help it.Along with you I

will pray for him too.

chumki.

, "kochu1tz" <kochu1tz> wrote:

> Just hold out your hand and see and feel and smell the money. It

> will be there.

> I will pray for u

>

> , "pbfsg" <pbfsg> wrote:

> > can anyone help me? i need to have $8000 on monday(19/7/04) to

> settle

> > credit card bills and also other sum of money to settle other

> > financial needs quickly. is there any mantra or other way i can

> get

> > the money i want in such a short period of time????

July 17, 2004

i asked you a serious question and you gave me a joking answer. i'm

sure you think it's very funny. are you the same person from another

who made fun of me when i posed the same question in the

past? next time i think you ask people question, people should give

you joking answer too.

, "kochu1tz" <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> Just hold out your hand and see and feel and smell the money. It

> will be there.

> I will pray for u

>

> , "pbfsg" <pbfsg> wrote:

> > can anyone help me? i need to have $8000 on monday(19/7/04) to

> settle

> > credit card bills and also other sum of money to settle other

> > financial needs quickly. is there any mantra or other way i can

> get

> > the money i want in such a short period of time????

July 17, 2004

Dear Chumki:

I was being extremely serious.

Way back in 1997-98 period i had a specific need and I was part of a worldwide

group of "just good" people (not that i count myself eligible to join them) who

were from diverse backgrounds. all sorts of spirituality - a veritable kichadi.

I happened to mention this dream desire and this was what one of them told me;

and I tell you it worked too. (here I must mention that every one- virtually

every one - in the group prayed or did whatever for me according to their faith

- without any wish for anything in return.

I feel that we must have a system that personal requirements should be posted

here and we must all try to help whoever is in need - in our own little ways. If

it works once it would be great.

And every time we do it - our Karma burden will be reduced to that little

extent.

Care to go for it?

KOCHU

Chumki <blueblackeyes wrote: Dear Kochu....I laughed and

laughed,couldnt help it.Along with you I

will pray for him too.

chumki.

, "kochu1tz" <kochu1tz> wrote:

> Just hold out your hand and see and feel and smell the money. It

> will be there.

> I will pray for u

>

> , "pbfsg" <pbfsg> wrote:

> > can anyone help me? i need to have $8000 on monday(19/7/04) to

> settle

> > credit card bills and also other sum of money to settle other

> > financial needs quickly. is there any mantra or other way i can

> get

> > the money i want in such a short period of time????

/

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July 17, 2004

Are you serious??

What makes you think that people are going to give you money just like that?

Please come to your senses!

Maureen.

----

vrijdag 16 juli 2004 20:37:40

help!!!! i need help urgently right now!!!!!

can anyone help me? i need to have $8000 on monday(19/7/04) to settle

credit card bills and also other sum of money to settle other

financial needs quickly. is there any mantra or other way i can get

the money i want in such a short period of time????

/

July 17, 2004

ohhh Dear Kochu...sure prayers help if done in good faith

and with all sincierity.Prayers are answered too and I myself

can vouch for that.I liked your sense of humor though.

I guess I will go for that ..

Warm regards.

Chumki.

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> Dear Chumki:

>

> I was being extremely serious.

>

> Way back in 1997-98 period i had a specific need and I was part of a

worldwide group of "just good" people (not that i count myself

eligible to join them) who were from diverse backgrounds. all sorts of

spirituality - a veritable kichadi.

>

> I happened to mention this dream desire and this was what one of

them told me; and I tell you it worked too. (here I must mention that

every one- virtually every one - in the group prayed or did whatever

for me according to their faith - without any wish for anything in return.

>

> I feel that we must have a system that personal requirements should

be posted here and we must all try to help whoever is in need - in our

own little ways. If it works once it would be great.

>

> And every time we do it - our Karma burden will be reduced to that

little extent.

>

> Care to go for it?

>

> KOCHU

>

> Chumki <blueblackeyes> wrote: Dear Kochu....I laughed and

laughed,couldnt help it.Along with you I

> will pray for him too.

>

> chumki.

>

> , "kochu1tz" <kochu1tz> wrote:

> > Just hold out your hand and see and feel and smell the money. It

> > will be there.

> > I will pray for u

> >

> > , "pbfsg" <pbfsg> wrote:

> > > can anyone help me? i need to have $8000 on monday(19/7/04) to

> > settle

> > > credit card bills and also other sum of money to settle other

> > > financial needs quickly. is there any mantra or other way i can

> > get

> > > the money i want in such a short period of time????

>

> Sponsor

>

> Links

>

> /

>

> Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign!

>

July 17, 2004

The answer was given in all seriousness and sincerity. If you expected long

mantras and involved convoluted ritual, then thats what is wrong. Its all out

there to be plucked and simplicity is the key.

However your words "when i posed the same question in the

past?" raises questions.

1. Either YOU are the one who was joking as you seem to be in the habit of

asking these questions. So is there real need? If not the Universe will not

answer your prayer.

Or

2. it can be that you are one of the few people who are ever in need.

If it is the first, then you can take the answer as a joke.

If it is the Second, then I would seriously urge you to try it.

Whatever the case my sympathies are with you.

pbfsg <pbfsg wrote:

i asked you a serious question and you gave me a joking answer. i'm

sure you think it's very funny. are you the same person from another

who made fun of me when i posed the same question in the

past? next time i think you ask people question, people should give

you joking answer too.

, "kochu1tz" <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> Just hold out your hand and see and feel and smell the money. It

> will be there.

> I will pray for u

>

> , "pbfsg" <pbfsg> wrote:

> > can anyone help me? i need to have $8000 on monday(19/7/04) to

> settle

> > credit card bills and also other sum of money to settle other

> > financial needs quickly. is there any mantra or other way i can

> get

> > the money i want in such a short period of time????

/

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July 17, 2004

pbfsg (and Chumki as well!):

I do not think that this was a joke at all; techniques to manifest

consciously whatever I want is a great interest of mine. Sometimes

the results have been short of miraculous, and I will frankly admit

that a few times these techniques did not work as expected... and I

am on a continuous learning curve as to learn what works and what

does not.

Now read that statement again - " see and feel and smell" ; sight,

sound, smell and feeling are key components for manifesting any

intention; if you cannot " see and feel and smell " the outcome and

BELIEVE that it has happened/will happen, then most probably it will

not happen (there is some extensive theory as to why this is so..).

So pbfsg, kochuji was being dead serious and he means well.

My prayers are with you!

-yogaman

, "pbfsg" <pbfsg> wrote:

> i asked you a serious question and you gave me a joking answer. i'm

> sure you think it's very funny. are you the same person from

another

> who made fun of me when i posed the same question in

the

> past? next time i think you ask people question, people should give

> you joking answer too.

>

> , "kochu1tz" <kochu1tz>

> wrote:

> > Just hold out your hand and see and feel and smell the money. It

> > will be there.

> > I will pray for u

> >

> > , "pbfsg" <pbfsg> wrote:

> > > can anyone help me? i need to have $8000 on monday(19/7/04) to

> > settle

> > > credit card bills and also other sum of money to settle other

> > > financial needs quickly. is there any mantra or other way i can

> > get

> > > the money i want in such a short period of time????

July 17, 2004

menon(if that is your name), first of all i am not looking for long

mantras and complicated rituals. who would want to do these if they

are in need? would you? of course i am looking for a simple and fast

acting mantra. if you can't provide me any then so be it. it's ok.

i just want to make it clear that i don't have the habit of asking

these questions and i am not joking. i am dead serious. do i sound

like i am joking? what's there to joke in the first place? i think

you must be joking for saying that i may be joking. and i don't need

sympathy from anyone including you.

if what he really mean it about smelling, feeling and seeing the

money, then i am sorry for my remarks about him. the reason why i

think he is joking is because another member said he can't stop

laughing reading his message.

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> The answer was given in all seriousness and sincerity. If you

expected long mantras and involved convoluted ritual, then thats what

is wrong. Its all out there to be plucked and simplicity is the key.

>

> However your words "when i posed the same question in the

> past?" raises questions.

>

> 1. Either YOU are the one who was joking as you seem to be in the

habit of asking these questions. So is there real need? If not the

Universe will not answer your prayer.

>

> Or

>

> 2. it can be that you are one of the few people who are ever in

need.

>

> If it is the first, then you can take the answer as a joke.

>

> If it is the Second, then I would seriously urge you to try it.

>

> Whatever the case my sympathies are with you.

>

> pbfsg <pbfsg> wrote:

> i asked you a serious question and you gave me a joking answer. i'm

> sure you think it's very funny. are you the same person from

another

> who made fun of me when i posed the same question in

the

> past? next time i think you ask people question, people should give

> you joking answer too.

>

> , "kochu1tz" <kochu1tz>

> wrote:

> > Just hold out your hand and see and feel and smell the money. It

> > will be there.

> > I will pray for u

> >

> > , "pbfsg" <pbfsg> wrote:

> > > can anyone help me? i need to have $8000 on monday(19/7/04) to

> > settle

> > > credit card bills and also other sum of money to settle other

> > > financial needs quickly. is there any mantra or other way i can

> > get

> > > the money i want in such a short period of time????

>

> Sponsor

>

> Links

>

> /

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

> Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign!

>

July 17, 2004

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> Dear Chumki:

> I feel that we must have a system that personal requirements

should be posted here and we must all try to help whoever is in

need - in our own little ways. If it works once it would be great.

>

> And every time we do it - our Karma burden will be reduced to that

little extent.

>

> Care to go for it?

>

> KOCHU

My 2c.

I know you are the moderator and mean well, but having a system of

posting personal requirements in THIS group may be against the

objective of this group.... Having said that, I must say that I

think it is a nice thought.

Karma burden will be reduced?

I don't think so... unless the karma is burnt away yourself or by

your Satguru, Karma is never reduced, just 'deferred' for a later

time by giving immediate relief nor now..... Again, I have to add a

caveat here... Wonderful synergies amongst like-minded people MAY

(just may) be able to reduce the karma burden after all.

BUT, it is possible that Karma burden of the 'helper/transmitter'

may be reduced by doing the seva. The receiver of the seva has a

slim chance of reducing his karma.

Care to go for it?

No. I am skeptical of finding a synergy like that in an online

group, but I am willing to hear opposing arguments with the

possibility of being convinced.

Jai Ma!

July 17, 2004

Let me tell you I have walked in the "Vally of Shadow of death" and a few

members of this group walked the walk with me. they gave me strength and I cam

out of the shadow. Also Devi also gave me her blessings or rather Devi blessed

me with real strong and good friends. It took nearly THREE years of constant

fight for justice. So I know what it is.

The fastest acting mantra is a mantra without words. Thats what i gave you.

I do not sympathise with others because I am incapable of it. Sympathy assumes a

position from where you can look down and feel pity. I am not higher than you so

I cannot do that. I only empathise.

Someone laughed? Did I? Its upto what that someone understood. It was

misunderstanding as you misunerstood. Please try it is all I can say.Do not

waste time.

pbfsg <pbfsg wrote:

menon(if that is your name), first of all i am not looking for long mantras and

complicated rituals. who would want to do these if they are in need? would you?

of course i am looking for a simple and fast acting mantra. if you can't provide

me any then so be it. it's ok.

i just want to make it clear that i don't have the habit of asking these

questions and i am not joking. i am dead serious. do i sound like i am joking?

what's there to joke in the first place? i think you must be joking for saying

that i may be joking. and i don't need sympathy from anyone including you.

if what he really mean it about smelling, feeling and seeing the money, then i

am sorry for my remarks about him. the reason why i think he is joking is

because another member said he can't stop laughing reading his message.

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> The answer was given in all seriousness and sincerity. If you

expected long mantras and involved convoluted ritual, then thats what

is wrong. Its all out there to be plucked and simplicity is the key.

>

> However your words "when i posed the same question in the

> past?" raises questions.

>

> 1. Either YOU are the one who was joking as you seem to be in the

habit of asking these questions. So is there real need? If not the

Universe will not answer your prayer.

>

> Or

>

> 2. it can be that you are one of the few people who are ever in

need.

>

> If it is the first, then you can take the answer as a joke.

>

> If it is the Second, then I would seriously urge you to try it.

>

> Whatever the case my sympathies are with you.

>

> pbfsg <pbfsg> wrote:

> i asked you a serious question and you gave me a joking answer. i'm

> sure you think it's very funny. are you the same person from

another

> who made fun of me when i posed the same question in

the

> past? next time i think you ask people question, people should give

> you joking answer too.

>

> , "kochu1tz" <kochu1tz>

> wrote:

> > Just hold out your hand and see and feel and smell the money. It

> > will be there.

> > I will pray for u

> >

> > , "pbfsg" <pbfsg> wrote:

> > > can anyone help me? i need to have $8000 on monday(19/7/04) to

> > settle

> > > credit card bills and also other sum of money to settle other

> > > financial needs quickly. is there any mantra or other way i can

> > get

> > > the money i want in such a short period of time????

>

> Sponsor

>

> Links

>

> /

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

> Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign!

>

/

July 17, 2004

Dear Manoj:

I am putting my 2 cents below. I am putting it in bold capitals so that they are

distinguishable. I hope you will not take it as shouting because in netiquette

capitals means shouting *smile*.

I know little of karma and how it is destroyed. But what i know I state.

manoj_menon <ammasmon wrote:

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> Dear Chumki:

> I feel that we must have a system that personal requirements should be posted

here and we must all try to help whoever is in need - in our own little ways. If

it works once it would be great.

>

> And every time we do it - our Karma burden will be reduced to that little

extent.

>

> Care to go for it?

>

> KOCHU

My 2c.

I know you are the moderator and mean well, but having a system of posting

personal requirements in THIS group may be against the objective of this

group.... Having said that, I must say that I think it is a nice thought.

(WHAT IS THIS GROUP? A GROUP OF PEOPLE GROPING TOWARDS HER. HOW TO GO FORWARD IS

THE QUESTION. TO GO FORWARD THE KARMA BURDEN SHOULD BE REDUCED. WE JUST DO NOT

SHIFT KARMA OF THE PERSON IN NEED. WE BURN THEM OFF. IN BURNING ANOTHER'S KARMA

WITHOUT ANY MOTIVE, OURS ALSO CONSEQUENTLY GET REDUCED. IT IS AN UNINTENDED

BONUS. THE INTENTION IS TO NURALISE THE KARMA OF THE NEEDY. IT DOES WORK. AND SO

IT IS NOT AGAINST THE OBJECTIVE OF THE GROUP.

I AM REMINDED OF A GREAT VERSE OF SHANKARA "BHAJA GOVINDAM BHAJA GOVINDAM BHAJA

GOVINDAM MOODHAMATE!! SAMPRAAPTHE SANNIHITE KAALE NAHI NAHI RAKSHATI DUKRINJ

KARNE". WHAT SHANKARA SAYS IS IN SHORT DO SAHANA; GREAT DISCUSSIONS ON THE

PHILOSOPHY WILL NOT HELP YOU IN THE LAST DAYS BUT SADHANA WILL.

OUR AIM IS TO PROVIDE TOOLS OF SADHANA AND I BELIEVE THAT HELPING ANOTHER IN

NEED IS SADHANA OF THE HIGHEST ORDER. IF WE CAN USE THIS FORUM TO DO IT I THINK

WE HAVE DONE OUR PART. (MY SUGGESTION WAS WITHOUT REFERENCE TO OTHER MODERATORS.

HOPE THEY WILL NOT BANG ME FOR THIS *SMILE*)

Karma burden will be reduced?

I don't think so... unless the karma is burnt away yourself or by your Satguru,

Karma is never reduced, just 'deferred' for a later time by giving immediate

relief nor now..... Again, I have to add a caveat here... Wonderful synergies

amongst like-minded people MAY

(just may) be able to reduce the karma burden after all.

HOW IS KARMA BURNT AWAY? IS IT THAT THE LOGS OF KARMA CAN BE BURNT BY ONESELF OR

BY SATGURU "ALONE"? I DO NOT THINK SO. ANYONE CAN HELP. LOOK AT THE STORY OF

JATA BHARATA. WHO WERE HIS "SAD GURUS" tHE VARIOUS ANIMALS AND INSECTS; A

PROSTITUTE; A MURDERER ETC. THE LIST IS BIG. EACH LESSON LEARNT IS KARMA REDUCED

TO THAT EXTENT. AND AS A SRIVIDYA UPASAKA I AM OF OPINION (FOR WHATEVER IT IS

WORTH) THATANYONE CAN PUT HIS SMALL EMBER INTO THE CUMBUSTIBLE MATERIAL THAT IS

KARMA. HE WHO PUTS AN EMBER INTO ANOTHER'S KARMA WITHOUT ANY MOTIVE - GOOD OR

BAD - PUTS ONE AUTOMATICALLY PUTS ONE INTO ONE'S OWN KARMA BHANDARA.

ASK AMMA SHE WILL TELL YOU *SMILE*

BUT, it is possible that Karma burden of the 'helper/transmitter' may be reduced

by doing the seva. The receiver of the seva has a slim chance of reducing his

karma.

SEE MY COMMENTS ABOVE.

Care to go for it?

I AM GOING FOR IT. *SMILE*. LET THE LEARNED ONES MAKE THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS. I AM

WAITING HUMBLY.

No. I am skeptical of finding a synergy like that in an online group, but I am

willing to hear opposing arguments with the possibility of being convinced.

I HAVE FOUND THAT SYNERGY ONCE THATS WHY I SAY IT IS POSSIBLE.

Jai Ma!

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> Karma burden will be reduced?

> I don't think so... unless the karma is burnt away yourself or by

> your Satguru, Karma is never reduced, just 'deferred' for a later

> time by giving immediate relief nor now..... Again, I have to add a

> caveat here... Wonderful synergies amongst like-minded people MAY

> (just may) be able to reduce the karma burden after all.

>

> BUT, it is possible that Karma burden of the 'helper/transmitter'

> may be reduced by doing the seva. The receiver of the seva has a

> slim chance of reducing his karma.

Hello Manoj,

I am surprised you say this considering how our Ammachi emphasizes a

lot on selfless service; is not written somewhere in the Awaken

Children series that selfless service leads to karma reduction for

the ONE WHO DOES THE SERVICE. For the recipient, agreed that it is

probably a postponement of karma - but sometimes when circumstances

become overwhelming, some deferment of karma helps does it not?

And remember the Amma parable of the two men stranded on the

island ...- the moral of that is that sometimes our prayers are

answered because someone else was praying for us; so it behooves on

us to return favours that we have received unasked for and

unconditionally given, so others may benefit likewise.

The whole concept of karma is a complicated thing - it seems that a

lot of our karma in this life are borne by our parents, siblings,

spouse etc; of course Satguru's grace is the biggie.

Jai Maa!

-yogaman

July 17, 2004

Hi Yogaman,

Please read below.

, "childofdevi"

<childofdevi> wrote:

>

> Hello Manoj,

>

> I am surprised you say this considering how our Ammachi emphasizes

a

> lot on selfless service; is not written somewhere in the Awaken

> Children series that selfless service leads to karma reduction for

> the ONE WHO DOES THE SERVICE. For the recipient, agreed that it is

> probably a postponement of karma - but sometimes when

circumstances

> become overwhelming, some deferment of karma helps does it not?

Don't be suprised, and don't mis-understand. I like to do seva, so

that should put my point thru.

BUT, all I was responding to was Kochu's original point of "reducing

karmic burden". Where I said that the reduction is only for the

helper, and mostly it is only deferment for the helpee! With that

said, and with parties entering into the bond with open eyes and

understanding of the same, I have no problems... I only felt "duty-

bound" to highlight the subtlety of the point.

> The whole concept of karma is a complicated thing - it seems that

a

> lot of our karma in this life are borne by our parents, siblings,

> spouse etc; of course Satguru's grace is the biggie.

True, Karma is complicated, and also true that fellow travellers in

this lifetime (parents etc) help burn a lot of them away, but the

quality of the 'burning' depends upon my maturity... If I have not

understood the lesson inherent in the situation, i am a stting duck

for the next such situation life throws my way. AND THAT

UNDERSTANDING, only the Satguru / GRACE can give me. which is why I

say only the Satguru (or you may read it as "Grace") can burn away

my karmas.

To sum it up,

1. I am not against helping fellow travellers

2. I do WANT to help fellow travellers

3. I am only unsure of the quality of my (Manoj Menon's) help in

eliminating (vs postponing, of which I am very confident) the poor

fellow's karma

4. I want the poor guy to be aware of what he is getting into, if he

decides to take the help.

>

> Jai Maa!

>

> -yogaman

Jai Ma!

July 17, 2004

Hello Sir Kochu,

You have written so much, that I think I must do justice to it.

Let me read it a bit more, and have some time to prepare a reply,

and then you will see it. Thanks for taking the time to write so

much!

Jai Ma!

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj:

> I am putting my 2 cents below. I am putting it in bold capitals so

that they are distinguishable. I hope you will not take it as

shouting because in netiquette capitals means shouting *smile*.

> I know little of karma and how it is destroyed. But what i know I

state.

July 18, 2004

Dear Kochu!

Sounds good that all people will sincerely pray for another. Karma or

no Karma that itself will make Amma so happy. Who has time in this

day and age for another? Yet there are a few whose whole life is a

consecration for others. Put an M before Other and it becomes Mother.

I would love to see this happen here in this group and help in

whatever way I know.I know that sincere prayer with creative

visualisation like you suggested will create Miracles. I have not

tried for money but I know it can be done.

Ashoka

July 18, 2004

Pranam. I think this is a good idea. Prayer does work, esp group prayer. It is

easy, takes just a few minutes and costs nothing. In return, we help a fellow

human being, please Ambika to no end and make a slight sent on our mountain of

karma. By coming together in this group, we are now related to one another(as in

a family)As the verse goes, Ishwari is our Mother, Ishwara is our Father and

Shiva(& also Shakthi) bhakthas are our family.

Also, thanx to the member who inadvertantly introduced this topic. Your problem

has served to teach us. I have prayed for you. May Devi provide for you.

With love

Shankaree

Let my every word be a prayer to Thee,

Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee,

Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image,

Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee,

Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet;

Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do,

Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee."

>From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari

ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself

July 18, 2004

yes I was happy the topic was introduced. Lets hope someone somewhere learns the

use of techniques and then this group has justified itself.

shankaree ramatas <shankaree wrote: Pranam. I think this is a good

idea. Prayer does work, esp group prayer. It is easy, takes just a few minutes

and costs nothing. In return, we help a fellow human being, please Ambika to no

end and make a slight sent on our mountain of karma. By coming together in this

group, we are now related to one another(as in a family)As the verse goes,

Ishwari is our Mother, Ishwara is our Father and Shiva(& also Shakthi) bhakthas

are our family.

Also, thanx to the member who inadvertantly introduced this topic. Your problem

has served to teach us. I have prayed for you. May Devi provide for you.

With love

Shankaree

Let my every word be a prayer to Thee,

Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee,

Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image,

Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee,

Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet;

Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do,

Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee."

>From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari

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July 18, 2004

"Can anyone help me? I need to have $8000 on Monday (19/7/04) to

settle credit card bills and also other sum of money to settle other

financial needs quickly. Is there any mantra or other way I can get

the money I want in such a short period of time????"

I have been off for several days for some family commitment,

couldn't

help but to read this particular message. My first impression is: a

joke. A real joke and like a mockery to our Mantra Sastra.

Last night, the first night in the Month of Adi my daughter dance

before Durga in Nageshwari temple. It takes her few weeks to prepare.

She young and have been complaining that her leg hurts, but she

really want to dance, to go up there on the stage. We sit down and

talk. Told her that if that is what she wants, she need to work. The

pain and the stress of rehearsal is part and parcel of the whole

process. To me this is one way to instill the sense of

responsibility, especially to a child to make them understand, if

this is what you want, you have to work for it. And by Gosh she did

it. She dance beautifully [from my viewpoint, the parent], not

perfect though, miss some steps but that look in her face. Such

happiness I have never seen before.

I think the same goes for everything especially with regards to

Sadhana and upasana: it's like the pain in the beginning and then

ecstasy. If we want something, we have to work for it. Things do not

come easily unless you are meant to be.

Back to this credit card thingy! The credit cards are amazing stuff

eh! Yes! We are given the credit card supposedly to make our life

easier, but it is still our responsibility to know our limitations.

If we cannot understand that, then no point in running to DEVI and

ask her to perform miracles. We have to suffer for our own

consequences. We are responsible for our own action. We are given the

brain to think and rationalize. From my believe, DEVI helps people

who help themselves.

Asking for mantras for a solution to me is not an answer but I see it

as a mockery. We have a lot of people who comes here: I want to get

married, give me mantra. I want a mantra to be successful in life,

please give me mantra. Yes! There is a lot of mantra for a lot of

things. Mantra before going to sleep, Mantra before going out of our

home even Mantra before we make love.

But again, its good I guess to have people to come here and ask all

these. Its just perhaps an opening to another "tool", maybe that

person was joking but that's Devi's way of getting things done.

That

is why she is called the "who one likes to play"

July 18, 2004

isn't karma burden can be reduced from sri vidya.

on the shaktisadhana website bhandasura nath has

written that worshippers of srividya are free from the

bondage of karma.

isn't one can burn sprouted karma more rapidly and

also disable the rest karma to tak full shape by

following spiritual path like srividya.

just a thought.

jatin

--- manoj_menon <ammasmon wrote:

> , sankara menon

> <kochu1tz>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chumki:

> > I feel that we must have a system that personal

> requirements

> should be posted here and we must all try to help

> whoever is in

> need - in our own little ways. If it works once it

> would be great.

> >

> > And every time we do it - our Karma burden will be

> reduced to that

> little extent.

> >

> > Care to go for it?

> >

> > KOCHU

>

> My 2c.

>

> I know you are the moderator and mean well, but

> having a system of

> posting personal requirements in THIS group may be

> against the

> objective of this group.... Having said that, I must

> say that I

> think it is a nice thought.

>

> Karma burden will be reduced?

> I don't think so... unless the karma is burnt away

> yourself or by

> your Satguru, Karma is never reduced, just

> 'deferred' for a later

> time by giving immediate relief nor now..... Again,

> I have to add a

> caveat here... Wonderful synergies amongst

> like-minded people MAY

> (just may) be able to reduce the karma burden after

> all.

>

> BUT, it is possible that Karma burden of the

> 'helper/transmitter'

> may be reduced by doing the seva. The receiver of

> the seva has a

> slim chance of reducing his karma.

>

> Care to go for it?

> No. I am skeptical of finding a synergy like that in

> an online

> group, but I am willing to hear opposing arguments

> with the

> possibility of being convinced.

>

> Jai Ma!

>

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July 18, 2004

I did not say that the karma reduction is for srividya upasakas.

I was talking of people who have not had full deeksha into the system. If they

have, there is no karma attached to him at any time thereafter.

Srividya upasakas not being bound by laws of Karma, can take away the karma of

others and burn it off.

The only condition is that they should be REAL upasakas who have and is doing

their sadhana in strict conformity with the requirements. Not an easy task.

d not

Jatin Prakash <jatinprakash wrote: isn't karma burden can be reduced

from sri vidya.

on the shaktisadhana website bhandasura nath has

written that worshippers of srividya are free from the

bondage of karma.

isn't one can burn sprouted karma more rapidly and

also disable the rest karma to tak full shape by

following spiritual path like srividya.

just a thought.

jatin

--- manoj_menon <ammasmon wrote:

> , sankara menon

> <kochu1tz>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chumki:

> > I feel that we must have a system that personal

> requirements

> should be posted here and we must all try to help

> whoever is in

> need - in our own little ways. If it works once it

> would be great.

> >

> > And every time we do it - our Karma burden will be

> reduced to that

> little extent.

> >

> > Care to go for it?

> >

> > KOCHU

>

> My 2c.

>

> I know you are the moderator and mean well, but

> having a system of

> posting personal requirements in THIS group may be

> against the

> objective of this group.... Having said that, I must

> say that I

> think it is a nice thought.

>

> Karma burden will be reduced?

> I don't think so... unless the karma is burnt away

> yourself or by

> your Satguru, Karma is never reduced, just

> 'deferred' for a later

> time by giving immediate relief nor now..... Again,

> I have to add a

> caveat here... Wonderful synergies amongst

> like-minded people MAY

> (just may) be able to reduce the karma burden after

> all.

>

> BUT, it is possible that Karma burden of the

> 'helper/transmitter'

> may be reduced by doing the seva. The receiver of

> the seva has a

> slim chance of reducing his karma.

>

> Care to go for it?

> No. I am skeptical of finding a synergy like that in

> an online

> group, but I am willing to hear opposing arguments

> with the

> possibility of being convinced.

>

> Jai Ma!

>

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July 18, 2004

Thank you all for your help and comments. yes i do need help. i am

grateful that you are willing to pray for me and help me. kochu, if i

said anything that has offended you then i am sorry. i know you

people means well. i know what i did was wrong by creating all these

bills and debts and i think my case really need a miracle. i have no

job now, no money and i have to pay all these bills by tomorrow. i

prayed everyday but still nothing happened. it's really demoralising.

i really don't know what to do now.

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> I did not say that the karma reduction is for srividya upasakas.

>

> I was talking of people who have not had full deeksha into the

system. If they have, there is no karma attached to him at any time

thereafter.

>

> Srividya upasakas not being bound by laws of Karma, can take away

the karma of others and burn it off.

>

> The only condition is that they should be REAL upasakas who have

and is doing their sadhana in strict conformity with the

requirements. Not an easy task.

>

> d not

>

> Jatin Prakash <jatinprakash> wrote: isn't karma burden can be

reduced from sri vidya.

> on the shaktisadhana website bhandasura nath has

> written that worshippers of srividya are free from the

> bondage of karma.

> isn't one can burn sprouted karma more rapidly and

> also disable the rest karma to tak full shape by

> following spiritual path like srividya.

> just a thought.

> jatin

>

> --- manoj_menon <ammasmon@s...> wrote:

> > , sankara menon

> > <kochu1tz>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chumki:

> > > I feel that we must have a system that personal

> > requirements

> > should be posted here and we must all try to help

> > whoever is in

> > need - in our own little ways. If it works once it

> > would be great.

> > >

> > > And every time we do it - our Karma burden will be

> > reduced to that

> > little extent.

> > >

> > > Care to go for it?

> > >

> > > KOCHU

> >

> > My 2c.

> >

> > I know you are the moderator and mean well, but

> > having a system of

> > posting personal requirements in THIS group may be

> > against the

> > objective of this group.... Having said that, I must

> > say that I

> > think it is a nice thought.

> >

> > Karma burden will be reduced?

> > I don't think so... unless the karma is burnt away

> > yourself or by

> > your Satguru, Karma is never reduced, just

> > 'deferred' for a later

> > time by giving immediate relief nor now..... Again,

> > I have to add a

> > caveat here... Wonderful synergies amongst

> > like-minded people MAY

> > (just may) be able to reduce the karma burden after

> > all.

> >

> > BUT, it is possible that Karma burden of the

> > 'helper/transmitter'

> > may be reduced by doing the seva. The receiver of

> > the seva has a

> > slim chance of reducing his karma.

> >

> > Care to go for it?

> > No. I am skeptical of finding a synergy like that in

> > an online

> > group, but I am willing to hear opposing arguments

> > with the

> > possibility of being convinced.

> >

> > Jai Ma!

> >

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Hello:

My intellectual discussion on a specific point of karma, which I

took off this original request for help, seems to be ill-timed.

This poor person really neeeds help, and I took the discussion to

another track. While that track is valid (in my view), the timing

was bad. I apologize for that.

Sir, I pray that a mircale happens and that you are relieved off the

immediate trouble you are in, and that you will never have to go

through this again.

May Lalita-amba (Playful Mother) grace you with blessings to 'play

you out' of this situation! (this is a sincere prayer where I have

used the figure of speech called 'pun' to please the Divine Mother;

no offence meant to anybody).

Jai Ma!

July 18, 2004

Thank you.

manoj_menon <ammasmon wrote: Hello:

My intellectual discussion on a specific point of karma, which I

took off this original request for help, seems to be ill-timed.

This poor person really neeeds help, and I took the discussion to

another track. While that track is valid (in my view), the timing

was bad. I apologize for that.

Sir, I pray that a mircale happens and that you are relieved off the

immediate trouble you are in, and that you will never have to go

through this again.

May Lalita-amba (Playful Mother) grace you with blessings to 'play

you out' of this situation! (this is a sincere prayer where I have

used the figure of speech called 'pun' to please the Divine Mother;

no offence meant to anybody).

Jai Ma!

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