Those Stubborn Hindus!

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Christian missionary activity among Hindus is not limited to India.

Hindu communities have existed outside of India for generations. The

the "Essential Spirituality" website recently published an acount in

which Christian nmissionaries working in a Hindu community in

Chicago, USA, bemoan the difficulty of converting those stubborn

Hindus. A link to the full article is below, but I just had to share

this great excerpt:

 

"It's no picnic working with Hindus," he [the mission director]

said. "Their whole way of looking at the world is radically

different from the Christian worldview. It's very hard for a Hindu

to come to Christ. ... It's not even an option for them to become a

Christian in their way of thinking."

 

Thus, getting a Hindu involved in a Bible study is a major

accomplishment.

 

"We need to get into a Bible study relationship with them where we

can establish some of the essential things that are necessary before

a person can come to Christ," the director said.

 

He asked fellow Christians to engage in "fasting and serious

intercessory prayer for these people. They're not going to come to

Christ unless God does something absolutely miraculous."

 

URL: http://www.esspirit.com/jesubhaktan/chicago.html

[Guest guest]

Om Parashaktyai Namaha!

 

This is trully an alarming situation. Hindus, in

general, are taught to respect and withhold judgement

of the religious ideals of other people. It would be

contrary for the hindu to claim that the eternal

religion is the ONLY path, as thousands of paths are

contained within it.

 

This kind of crusading for conversions has been the

banner flying above the vatican for the whole of it's

history. And it is shameful in my eyes. It's so hard

to imagine how Christ had envisioned his teachings

being carried on- especially since the gospels were

each written at least a hundred years after his death.

But it's hard to imagine an avatar decreeing that all

those who do not worship him, either by choice or by

ignorance, should perish in hell. Just imagine if Sri

Krishna had proclaimed that all those who did not

worship him and him alone would burn for all eternity!

It is unthinkable!

 

The missionaries are shamelessly buying the

conversions of hindus with the money they tithe from

believers. This has ALWAYS been the way of the church,

and hindus should be made aware of the church's

designs upon them.

 

The whole history of Christianity is frought with

death. Blood has been spilled in every corner of the

earth in the name of the church and it's agenda. Nine

million women and children were put to death during

the burning times- the Inquisition of Witches.

Christian missionaries gave out smallpox blankets to

our Native Americans- those who didn't convert were

simply eliminated.

 

It has spread all throughout our history and across

the globe, like a virus. I cannot believe that this is

what Christ had in mind.

 

pranams,

 

Brianna

--- Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:

> Christian missionary activity among Hindus is not

> limited to India.

> Hindu communities have existed outside of India for

> generations. The

> the "Essential Spirituality" website recently

> published an acount in

> which Christian nmissionaries working in a Hindu

> community in

> Chicago, USA, bemoan the difficulty of converting

> those stubborn

> Hindus. A link to the full article is below, but I

> just had to share

> this great excerpt:

>

> "It's no picnic working with Hindus," he [the

> mission director]

> said. "Their whole way of looking at the world is

> radically

> different from the Christian worldview. It's very

> hard for a Hindu

> to come to Christ. ... It's not even an option for

> them to become a

> Christian in their way of thinking."

>

> Thus, getting a Hindu involved in a Bible study is a

> major

> accomplishment.

>

> "We need to get into a Bible study relationship with

> them where we

> can establish some of the essential things that are

> necessary before

> a person can come to Christ," the director said.

>

> He asked fellow Christians to engage in "fasting and

> serious

> intercessory prayer for these people. They're not

> going to come to

> Christ unless God does something absolutely

> miraculous."

>

> URL:

> http://www.esspirit.com/jesubhaktan/chicago.html

>

>

 

 

 

 

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93

Nobody denies that Church is responsible for many sins.

However to be truthful, not less blood is on hands of muslims and

hindus. The problem is not religion, problem is perverted minds of

ppl. There's no love in the world and this is the reason of all

troubles.

 

To speak about hindu... One "holy" tamil nayanar impaled (put on

stick) to death hundreds of jainas; orthodox hindus killed many

lingayatas in the time of Basavanna; hindus have killed several

christian missioneers (this is NOT the way to protect dharma IMHO);

just recently there were bloody clashes with muslims for stupid

reasons etc. It is only the image that hindus are peaceful and stuff.

Christians and muslims had more power - this is the reason for they'd

killed more. That's all. Ppl's mind is the same, hatred is not bound

by any religion...

Hindus are stubborn. There was a situation in Kashmir long ago: after

last raja was killed his general came to power. He was a tribal

person, mongoloid and buddhist by faith. So he thought it would be

nice for him to accept the faith of his governed land ppl, hinduism.

He tryied to speak to kashmiri panditas, but those stupid stubborn ppl

didn't want even to talk to him, 'coz he was not hindu! As the result

that general converted to Islam. This was the end of hinduism in

Kashmir, it started becoming muslim.

 

Hinduism generally is far more driven away from it's OWN Scriptures,

than christianity and islam. Unfortunately, but a fact. If hinduism

want's to survive it is necessary to come back to GOD. Leave all

useless and perverted things invented by brahmans (idolatry, "ritual

purity", caste system etc), out-of-time things and other stuff like

that. But hindu's mostly are stubborn - this is the reason of success

in converting them!

 

A.

 

, Brianna Mosteller

<rubyrapunzel> wrote:

> Om Parashaktyai Namaha!

>

> This is trully an alarming situation. Hindus, in

> general, are taught to respect and withhold judgement

> of the religious ideals of other people. It would be

> contrary for the hindu to claim that the eternal

> religion is the ONLY path, as thousands of paths are

> contained within it.

>

> This kind of crusading for conversions has been the

> banner flying above the vatican for the whole of it's

> history. And it is shameful in my eyes. It's so hard

> to imagine how Christ had envisioned his teachings

> being carried on- especially since the gospels were

> each written at least a hundred years after his death.

> But it's hard to imagine an avatar decreeing that all

> those who do not worship him, either by choice or by

> ignorance, should perish in hell. Just imagine if Sri

> Krishna had proclaimed that all those who did not

> worship him and him alone would burn for all eternity!

> It is unthinkable!

>

> The missionaries are shamelessly buying the

> conversions of hindus with the money they tithe from

> believers. This has ALWAYS been the way of the church,

> and hindus should be made aware of the church's

> designs upon them.

>

> The whole history of Christianity is frought with

> death. Blood has been spilled in every corner of the

> earth in the name of the church and it's agenda. Nine

> million women and children were put to death during

> the burning times- the Inquisition of Witches.

> Christian missionaries gave out smallpox blankets to

> our Native Americans- those who didn't convert were

> simply eliminated.

>

> It has spread all throughout our history and across

> the globe, like a virus. I cannot believe that this is

> what Christ had in mind.

>

> pranams,

>

> Brianna

> --- Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta> wrote:

> > Christian missionary activity among Hindus is not

> > limited to India.

> > Hindu communities have existed outside of India for

> > generations. The

> > the "Essential Spirituality" website recently

> > published an acount in

> > which Christian nmissionaries working in a Hindu

> > community in

> > Chicago, USA, bemoan the difficulty of converting

> > those stubborn

> > Hindus. A link to the full article is below, but I

> > just had to share

> > this great excerpt:

> >

> > "It's no picnic working with Hindus," he [the

> > mission director]

> > said. "Their whole way of looking at the world is

> > radically

> > different from the Christian worldview. It's very

> > hard for a Hindu

> > to come to Christ. ... It's not even an option for

> > them to become a

> > Christian in their way of thinking."

> >

> > Thus, getting a Hindu involved in a Bible study is a

> > major

> > accomplishment.

> >

> > "We need to get into a Bible study relationship with

> > them where we

> > can establish some of the essential things that are

> > necessary before

> > a person can come to Christ," the director said.

> >

> > He asked fellow Christians to engage in "fasting and

> > serious

> > intercessory prayer for these people. They're not

> > going to come to

> > Christ unless God does something absolutely

> > miraculous."

> >

> > URL:

> > http://www.esspirit.com/jesubhaktan/chicago.html

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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, "Arjuna Taradasa"

<bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

> 93

> Nobody denies that Church is responsible for many sins.

> However to be truthful, not less blood is on hands of muslims and

> hindus. The problem is not religion, problem is perverted minds of

> ppl. There's no love in the world and this is the reason of all

> troubles.

>

> To speak about hindu... One "holy" tamil nayanar impaled (put on

> stick) to death hundreds of jainas; orthodox hindus killed many

 

Not one Nayanar but there were several Nayanars who were responsible;

but if you read the story carefully, ordinary jainas were not

tormented; it was only the vile and cruel jainas ( what about jaina

ahimsa LOL) who indulged in black magic and violence who were killed.

 

> lingayatas in the time of Basavanna; hindus have killed several

> christian missioneers (this is NOT the way to protect dharma IMHO);

 

Cmon, "several" is still in the single digit LOL; no way does it

compare with the millions of Hindus slaughtered nor the systematic

and covert conversion of Hindus(Catholic priests in Ceylon for

instance made the Hindu students spit at their deities; no Hindu

teacher would ever make a Christian spit at Christ)

> Hinduism generally is far more driven away from it's OWN

Scriptures,

> than christianity and islam. Unfortunately, but a fact. If hinduism

> want's to survive it is necessary to come back to GOD. Leave all

 

A 1000 years of Muslim rule and almost 300 years of British Christian

rule and still HInduism is alive today as it was 5000 years ago (no

doubt despicable practices are there, but they are on the downswing)-

no other religion has survived such an onslought. The greatest of

sages keep Sanatana Dharma alive, even though scripture has been mis-

interpreted; there is no question of Hinduism not surviving.

 

-yogaman

[Guest guest]

93

 

, "childofdevi"

<childofdevi> wrote:

> Not one Nayanar but there were several Nayanars who were

responsible; but if you read the story carefully, ordinary jainas

were not tormented; it was only the vile and cruel jainas ( what

about jaina ahimsa LOL) who indulged in black magic and violence who

were killed.

 

This is not different from medieval christians who killed "witches".

Same thing.

BTW there are some other "holy" deeds of those nayanars, read the

stories :-)...

> Cmon, "several" is still in the single digit LOL; no way does it

> compare with the millions of Hindus slaughtered

 

I'm doubtful about "millions"... Anyway the reason is simple: hindu

had no military power to do so. Otherwise definitely situation would

have been opposite. Hindus did kill many muslims, didn't they?

About killing of lingayatas U keep quiet... The fact BTW is that

Basavanna married a couple who loved each other but that marriage was

against caste rules. So "righteous" hindus killed them :-(.

 

nor the systematic

> and covert conversion of Hindus(Catholic priests in Ceylon for

> instance made the Hindu students spit at their deities; no Hindu

> teacher would ever make a Christian spit at Christ)

 

This is true. Hindus are so proud of themeselves that they do not

allow others to convert into hinduism :-(. One example i've given in

previous posting. Now, thanx to God, situation is slowly improving...

About those catholic priests U mentioned - that is thier own

stupidity, not prescription of the Church.

> A 1000 years of Muslim rule and almost 300 years of British

Christian rule and still HInduism is alive today as it was 5000 years

ago

 

Not at all "as it was ago". Plz be more objective :-).

>(no doubt despicable practices are there, but they are on the

downswing)-

 

No other religion disgraded their women to such a degree as hinduism

did. Such disgusting things as so-called "sati", miserable position

of widows and general suppresion of women were nowhere else present.

Of course these "practices" are not vedic (nor tantric), but they

were a part of brahmanical hinduism.

Only hinduism and buddhism went as far as sacrificing human beings.

Only hinduism is ok with idolatry and black magic. BTW black magic is

not a degradant tantric invention, it is vedic. Just take a look at

hymns of Atharvana-veda.

Hinduism was so cruel to IT'S OWN believers... :-(

> no other religion has survived such an onslought.

 

This is indeed wrong. The most long-suffering and still alive

religion is definitely judaism. Hindus never were tormented and

presecuted as jews were. Still they are alive and their religious and

mystical tradition is alive.

 

The greatest of

> sages keep Sanatana Dharma alive, even though scripture has been

mis-interpreted; there is no question of Hinduism not surviving.

 

The greatest sages are becoming less in number. Several really great

traditions are dead (like Krama, Trika, Kubjika, kashmiri Tripura),

several are dying (like Sahajiya-vaishnava, Kali-kaula)... :-(

After 11-13 centuries hinduism went down and till now it didn't

recover :-(. Perhaps it is God's will, 'coz nothing can happen

against His will.

Indeed a few sages are still alive. Several scholars are still alive.

Some true upasakas are there. But a question of survival is there.

One more danger to hinduism is a present tendency of making it more

and more as "new-age". Versions of vedanta, yoga and tantra preached

by different "svamis" to the westerners and to their own indians have

almost nothing to do with original great doctrines of those names :-

(...

 

A.

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Peace to all. This is quite a hot topic.

 

And it should be really. Many people have been killed in the name of

religion, and also in the names of other things that seem to sort

people into "us" and "them." The age of genocide is still with us.

 

I was recently watching programs about the 10 year anniversary of the

genocide in Rwanda, where, over the period of 100 days 800,000 people

were slaughtered. One program showed that a Nazi Holocaust survivor

makes trips to various schools to talk about his experience. He spoke

at a school attended by a woman who was 9 when she survived the

genocide in Rwanda. She contacted him. Now they speak to schools

together. In this way they demonstrate through personal experience

that genocide is not limited to one historical period or one group of

people, or one anything. This is a part of human history and it is

important for us to grapple with it.

 

It's a very hot topic. How much passion must there be in us for these

things to take place? How much shame must there be in us for us to

deny that we contain this potential? I see it as quite a problem, a

spiritual problem.

 

I personally believe that Fundamentalism in any form by any religious

group plays into this problem and worsens relations between groups.

Evangelism also seems to be a potential source of the worst kind of

attitude and treatment of others. I'm sure there are many other

causes or symptoms or factors as much genocide takes place on basis

of tribal or racial differences. But even then, I frequently see

religion lurking in the background.

 

For example, today the Belgian Defence Minister Andre Flahaut is in a

lot of hot water for accusing the U.S. of the worst genocide in

modern times for the extermination of native Americans, in what is

today the US, which has claimed 15 million lives.

 

The article on that is here:

 

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?

subchannel_id=48&story_id=6502

 

Now, that would seem to be race and class based, yet I know that the

European immigrants saw the natives as "Godless Savages" and that

much of what happened has been justified with religious terms.

Christian religious terms.

 

 

There is no "other" to be blamed. It's easy to distract ourselves by

pointing fingers at Christians and then Hindus, then white

supremists, then at tribal warlords. But we cannot examine these

crimes with an eye to blame, but with a sincere desire to understand

what it is that drives these things forward and how can that be

excised or otherwise addressed.

 

We kill. We kill each other. I think we should try and figure out why

and then try to fix that. In ourselves.

 

Blessings,

 

prainbow

 

, "Arjuna Taradasa"

<bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

> 93

>

> , "childofdevi"

> <childofdevi> wrote:

>

> > Not one Nayanar but there were several Nayanars who were

> responsible; but if you read the story carefully, ordinary jainas

> were not tormented; it was only the vile and cruel jainas ( what

> about jaina ahimsa LOL) who indulged in black magic and violence

who

> were killed.

>

> This is not different from medieval christians who

killed "witches".

> Same thing.

> BTW there are some other "holy" deeds of those nayanars, read the

> stories :-)...

>

> > Cmon, "several" is still in the single digit LOL; no way does it

> > compare with the millions of Hindus slaughtered

>

> I'm doubtful about "millions"... Anyway the reason is simple: hindu

> had no military power to do so. Otherwise definitely situation

would

> have been opposite. Hindus did kill many muslims, didn't they?

> About killing of lingayatas U keep quiet... The fact BTW is that

> Basavanna married a couple who loved each other but that marriage

was

> against caste rules. So "righteous" hindus killed them :-(.

>

> nor the systematic

> > and covert conversion of Hindus(Catholic priests in Ceylon for

> > instance made the Hindu students spit at their deities; no Hindu

> > teacher would ever make a Christian spit at Christ)

>

> This is true. Hindus are so proud of themeselves that they do not

> allow others to convert into hinduism :-(. One example i've given

in

> previous posting. Now, thanx to God, situation is slowly

improving...

> About those catholic priests U mentioned - that is thier own

> stupidity, not prescription of the Church.

>

> > A 1000 years of Muslim rule and almost 300 years of British

> Christian rule and still HInduism is alive today as it was 5000

years

> ago

>

> Not at all "as it was ago". Plz be more objective :-).

>

> >(no doubt despicable practices are there, but they are on the

> downswing)-

>

> No other religion disgraded their women to such a degree as

hinduism

> did. Such disgusting things as so-called "sati", miserable position

> of widows and general suppresion of women were nowhere else

present.

> Of course these "practices" are not vedic (nor tantric), but they

> were a part of brahmanical hinduism.

> Only hinduism and buddhism went as far as sacrificing human beings.

> Only hinduism is ok with idolatry and black magic. BTW black magic

is

> not a degradant tantric invention, it is vedic. Just take a look at

> hymns of Atharvana-veda.

> Hinduism was so cruel to IT'S OWN believers... :-(

>

> > no other religion has survived such an onslought.

>

> This is indeed wrong. The most long-suffering and still alive

> religion is definitely judaism. Hindus never were tormented and

> presecuted as jews were. Still they are alive and their religious

and

> mystical tradition is alive.

>

> The greatest of

> > sages keep Sanatana Dharma alive, even though scripture has been

> mis-interpreted; there is no question of Hinduism not surviving.

>

> The greatest sages are becoming less in number. Several really

great

> traditions are dead (like Krama, Trika, Kubjika, kashmiri Tripura),

> several are dying (like Sahajiya-vaishnava, Kali-kaula)... :-(

> After 11-13 centuries hinduism went down and till now it didn't

> recover :-(. Perhaps it is God's will, 'coz nothing can happen

> against His will.

> Indeed a few sages are still alive. Several scholars are still

alive.

> Some true upasakas are there. But a question of survival is there.

> One more danger to hinduism is a present tendency of making it more

> and more as "new-age". Versions of vedanta, yoga and tantra

preached

> by different "svamis" to the westerners and to their own indians

have

> almost nothing to do with original great doctrines of those names :-

> (...

>

> A.

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm doubtful about "millions"... Anyway the reason is simple: hindu

> had no military power to do so. Otherwise definitely situation

would

> have been opposite. Hindus did kill many muslims, didn't they?

> About killing of lingayatas U keep quiet... The fact BTW is that

 

There is a famous eulogy for the rule of one of the Bahmani rulers

(circa Vijayanara empire) that he wenting on hunting expeditions and

killed at least 100,0000 infidels (i.e. Hindus) on each trip. 40,000

temples destroyed by the despot Aurungzeb. I need not say anything

more about other Muslim rulers(of course they were some good Muslim

kings like Akbar).

 

Historically I do not know of any Hindu king that massacred Muslims.

Great kings like Shivaji went out of his way to protect mosques.

India has given refuge to Jews and Christians, when everwhere else

they were being mistreated (BTW The oldest jewish settlement outside

of Israel is in India).

 

..

>

> This is indeed wrong. The most long-suffering and still alive

> religion is definitely judaism. Hindus never were tormented and

> presecuted as jews were. Still they are alive and their religious

and

> mystical tradition is alive.

>

 

The reason why Jews survived for so long is that Muslims regarded

them as the "people of the book" and they generally flourished in the

Arab world. It was a different story for Jews in Europe.

 

 

> One more danger to hinduism is a present tendency of making it more

> and more as "new-age". Versions of vedanta, yoga and tantra

preached

> by different "svamis" to the westerners and to their own indians

have

> almost nothing to do with original great doctrines of those names :-

> (...

>

 

LOL. of course. But better a "new-agey" version of Hinduism rather

than no Hinduism. Something is better than nothing. No?

 

-yogaman

[Guest guest]

Beloved Brianna,

 

I agree very much with the essence of your point.

However, a few comments:

 

 

 

--- Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel wrote:

Just imagine if

> Sri

> Krishna had proclaimed that all those who did not

> worship him and him alone would burn for all

> eternity!

> It is unthinkable!

 

Well, that is more or less what the Hare Krishnas say.

> The whole history of Christianity is frought with

> death. Blood has been spilled in every corner of the

> earth in the name of the church and it's agenda.

> Nine

> million women and children were put to death during

> the burning times- the Inquisition of Witches.

 

Actually, that figure is entirely a myth, invented by

a few modern feminist writers, without any recourse

whatsoever to data analysis or sociology.

Academics who actually have studied the topic

objectively have come to the conclusion that it was

more like two hundred thousand people killed over the

course of five centuries for "witchcraft" in Europe,

with almost HALF of those being MEN, and almost all of

them insisting they were NOT witches.

> Christian missionaries gave out smallpox blankets to

> our Native Americans- those who didn't convert were

> simply eliminated.

 

Actually, those weren't missionaries, it was the US

government.

>

> It has spread all throughout our history and across

> the globe, like a virus. I cannot believe that this

> is

> what Christ had in mind.

 

All institutional religion of any kind is a virus.

It creates the illness of being unable to see your

natural self.

 

Love

Swami

 

 

 

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whats this? intellectual nitpicking? LOL!!

Actually it is when religion and politics are mixed and when "headcount" is

important that these things happen

 

Arjuna Taradasa <bhagatirtha wrote:

93

 

, "childofdevi"

<childofdevi> wrote:

> Not one Nayanar but there were several Nayanars who were

responsible; but if you read the story carefully, ordinary jainas

were not tormented; it was only the vile and cruel jainas ( what

about jaina ahimsa LOL) who indulged in black magic and violence who

were killed.

 

This is not different from medieval christians who killed "witches".

Same thing.

BTW there are some other "holy" deeds of those nayanars, read the

stories :-)...

> Cmon, "several" is still in the single digit LOL; no way does it

> compare with the millions of Hindus slaughtered

 

I'm doubtful about "millions"... Anyway the reason is simple: hindu

had no military power to do so. Otherwise definitely situation would

have been opposite. Hindus did kill many muslims, didn't they?

About killing of lingayatas U keep quiet... The fact BTW is that

Basavanna married a couple who loved each other but that marriage was

against caste rules. So "righteous" hindus killed them :-(.

 

nor the systematic

> and covert conversion of Hindus(Catholic priests in Ceylon for

> instance made the Hindu students spit at their deities; no Hindu

> teacher would ever make a Christian spit at Christ)

 

This is true. Hindus are so proud of themeselves that they do not

allow others to convert into hinduism :-(. One example i've given in

previous posting. Now, thanx to God, situation is slowly improving...

About those catholic priests U mentioned - that is thier own

stupidity, not prescription of the Church.

> A 1000 years of Muslim rule and almost 300 years of British

Christian rule and still HInduism is alive today as it was 5000 years

ago

 

Not at all "as it was ago". Plz be more objective :-).

>(no doubt despicable practices are there, but they are on the

downswing)-

 

No other religion disgraded their women to such a degree as hinduism

did. Such disgusting things as so-called "sati", miserable position

of widows and general suppresion of women were nowhere else present.

Of course these "practices" are not vedic (nor tantric), but they

were a part of brahmanical hinduism.

Only hinduism and buddhism went as far as sacrificing human beings.

Only hinduism is ok with idolatry and black magic. BTW black magic is

not a degradant tantric invention, it is vedic. Just take a look at

hymns of Atharvana-veda.

Hinduism was so cruel to IT'S OWN believers... :-(

> no other religion has survived such an onslought.

 

This is indeed wrong. The most long-suffering and still alive

religion is definitely judaism. Hindus never were tormented and

presecuted as jews were. Still they are alive and their religious and

mystical tradition is alive.

 

The greatest of

> sages keep Sanatana Dharma alive, even though scripture has been

mis-interpreted; there is no question of Hinduism not surviving.

 

The greatest sages are becoming less in number. Several really great

traditions are dead (like Krama, Trika, Kubjika, kashmiri Tripura),

several are dying (like Sahajiya-vaishnava, Kali-kaula)... :-(

After 11-13 centuries hinduism went down and till now it didn't

recover :-(. Perhaps it is God's will, 'coz nothing can happen

against His will.

Indeed a few sages are still alive. Several scholars are still alive.

Some true upasakas are there. But a question of survival is there.

One more danger to hinduism is a present tendency of making it more

and more as "new-age". Versions of vedanta, yoga and tantra preached

by different "svamis" to the westerners and to their own indians have

almost nothing to do with original great doctrines of those names :-

(...

 

A.

 

 

 

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Hey,

 

did anybody even read this? Because I'm thinking that maybe my posts

are just too long or too boring to even respond to.

 

Gentle feedback is welcome.

 

Namaste,

 

prainbow

 

, "prainbow61" <paulie-

rainbow@u...> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Peace to all. This is quite a hot topic.

>

> And it should be really. Many people have been killed in the name

of

> religion, and also in the names of other things that seem to sort

> people into "us" and "them." The age of genocide is still with us.

>

> I was recently watching programs about the 10 year anniversary of

the

> genocide in Rwanda, where, over the period of 100 days 800,000

people

> were slaughtered. One program showed that a Nazi Holocaust survivor

> makes trips to various schools to talk about his experience. He

spoke

> at a school attended by a woman who was 9 when she survived the

> genocide in Rwanda. She contacted him. Now they speak to schools

> together. In this way they demonstrate through personal experience

> that genocide is not limited to one historical period or one group

of

> people, or one anything. This is a part of human history and it is

> important for us to grapple with it.

>

> It's a very hot topic. How much passion must there be in us for

these

> things to take place? How much shame must there be in us for us to

> deny that we contain this potential? I see it as quite a problem, a

> spiritual problem.

>

> I personally believe that Fundamentalism in any form by any

religious

> group plays into this problem and worsens relations between groups.

> Evangelism also seems to be a potential source of the worst kind of

> attitude and treatment of others. I'm sure there are many other

> causes or symptoms or factors as much genocide takes place on basis

> of tribal or racial differences. But even then, I frequently see

> religion lurking in the background.

>

> For example, today the Belgian Defence Minister Andre Flahaut is in

a

> lot of hot water for accusing the U.S. of the worst genocide in

> modern times for the extermination of native Americans, in what is

> today the US, which has claimed 15 million lives.

>

> The article on that is here:

>

> http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?

> subchannel_id=48&story_id=6502

>

> Now, that would seem to be race and class based, yet I know that

the

> European immigrants saw the natives as "Godless Savages" and that

> much of what happened has been justified with religious terms.

> Christian religious terms.

>

>

> There is no "other" to be blamed. It's easy to distract ourselves

by

> pointing fingers at Christians and then Hindus, then white

> supremists, then at tribal warlords. But we cannot examine these

> crimes with an eye to blame, but with a sincere desire to

understand

> what it is that drives these things forward and how can that be

> excised or otherwise addressed.

>

> We kill. We kill each other. I think we should try and figure out

why

> and then try to fix that. In ourselves.

>

> Blessings,

>

> prainbow

>

> , "Arjuna Taradasa"

> <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

> > 93

> >

> > , "childofdevi"

> > <childofdevi> wrote:

> >

> > > Not one Nayanar but there were several Nayanars who were

> > responsible; but if you read the story carefully, ordinary jainas

> > were not tormented; it was only the vile and cruel jainas ( what

> > about jaina ahimsa LOL) who indulged in black magic and violence

> who

> > were killed.

> >

> > This is not different from medieval christians who

> killed "witches".

> > Same thing.

> > BTW there are some other "holy" deeds of those nayanars, read the

> > stories :-)...

> >

> > > Cmon, "several" is still in the single digit LOL; no way does

it

> > > compare with the millions of Hindus slaughtered

> >

> > I'm doubtful about "millions"... Anyway the reason is simple:

hindu

> > had no military power to do so. Otherwise definitely situation

> would

> > have been opposite. Hindus did kill many muslims, didn't they?

> > About killing of lingayatas U keep quiet... The fact BTW is that

> > Basavanna married a couple who loved each other but that marriage

> was

> > against caste rules. So "righteous" hindus killed them :-(.

> >

> > nor the systematic

> > > and covert conversion of Hindus(Catholic priests in Ceylon for

> > > instance made the Hindu students spit at their deities; no

Hindu

> > > teacher would ever make a Christian spit at Christ)

> >

> > This is true. Hindus are so proud of themeselves that they do not

> > allow others to convert into hinduism :-(. One example i've given

> in

> > previous posting. Now, thanx to God, situation is slowly

> improving...

> > About those catholic priests U mentioned - that is thier own

> > stupidity, not prescription of the Church.

> >

> > > A 1000 years of Muslim rule and almost 300 years of British

> > Christian rule and still HInduism is alive today as it was 5000

> years

> > ago

> >

> > Not at all "as it was ago". Plz be more objective :-).

> >

> > >(no doubt despicable practices are there, but they are on the

> > downswing)-

> >

> > No other religion disgraded their women to such a degree as

> hinduism

> > did. Such disgusting things as so-called "sati", miserable

position

> > of widows and general suppresion of women were nowhere else

> present.

> > Of course these "practices" are not vedic (nor tantric), but they

> > were a part of brahmanical hinduism.

> > Only hinduism and buddhism went as far as sacrificing human

beings.

> > Only hinduism is ok with idolatry and black magic. BTW black

magic

> is

> > not a degradant tantric invention, it is vedic. Just take a look

at

> > hymns of Atharvana-veda.

> > Hinduism was so cruel to IT'S OWN believers... :-(

> >

> > > no other religion has survived such an onslought.

> >

> > This is indeed wrong. The most long-suffering and still alive

> > religion is definitely judaism. Hindus never were tormented and

> > presecuted as jews were. Still they are alive and their religious

> and

> > mystical tradition is alive.

> >

> > The greatest of

> > > sages keep Sanatana Dharma alive, even though scripture has

been

> > mis-interpreted; there is no question of Hinduism not surviving.

> >

> > The greatest sages are becoming less in number. Several really

> great

> > traditions are dead (like Krama, Trika, Kubjika, kashmiri

Tripura),

> > several are dying (like Sahajiya-vaishnava, Kali-kaula)... :-(

> > After 11-13 centuries hinduism went down and till now it didn't

> > recover :-(. Perhaps it is God's will, 'coz nothing can happen

> > against His will.

> > Indeed a few sages are still alive. Several scholars are still

> alive.

> > Some true upasakas are there. But a question of survival is there.

> > One more danger to hinduism is a present tendency of making it

more

> > and more as "new-age". Versions of vedanta, yoga and tantra

> preached

> > by different "svamis" to the westerners and to their own indians

> have

> > almost nothing to do with original great doctrines of those

names :-

> > (...

> >

> > A.

[Guest guest]

Om Namah Shivayah,

 

I did read it, Prainbow. Sorry for not responding,

it's definately a response-worthy topic. The last

paragraph of your post was most meaningful.

 

Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu

 

shanti shanti shanti

 

pranams,

 

Brianna

 

--- prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow wrote:

> Hey,

>

> did anybody even read this? Because I'm thinking

> that maybe my posts

> are just too long or too boring to even respond to.

>

> Gentle feedback is welcome.

>

> Namaste,

>

> prainbow

>

> , "prainbow61"

> <paulie-

> rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Peace to all. This is quite a hot topic.

> >

> > And it should be really. Many people have been

> killed in the name

> of

> > religion, and also in the names of other things

> that seem to sort

> > people into "us" and "them." The age of genocide

> is still with us.

> >

> > I was recently watching programs about the 10 year

> anniversary of

> the

> > genocide in Rwanda, where, over the period of 100

> days 800,000

> people

> > were slaughtered. One program showed that a Nazi

> Holocaust survivor

> > makes trips to various schools to talk about his

> experience. He

> spoke

> > at a school attended by a woman who was 9 when she

> survived the

> > genocide in Rwanda. She contacted him. Now they

> speak to schools

> > together. In this way they demonstrate through

> personal experience

> > that genocide is not limited to one historical

> period or one group

> of

> > people, or one anything. This is a part of human

> history and it is

> > important for us to grapple with it.

> >

> > It's a very hot topic. How much passion must there

> be in us for

> these

> > things to take place? How much shame must there be

> in us for us to

> > deny that we contain this potential? I see it as

> quite a problem, a

> > spiritual problem.

> >

> > I personally believe that Fundamentalism in any

> form by any

> religious

> > group plays into this problem and worsens

> relations between groups.

> > Evangelism also seems to be a potential source of

> the worst kind of

> > attitude and treatment of others. I'm sure there

> are many other

> > causes or symptoms or factors as much genocide

> takes place on basis

> > of tribal or racial differences. But even then, I

> frequently see

> > religion lurking in the background.

> >

> > For example, today the Belgian Defence Minister

> Andre Flahaut is in

> a

> > lot of hot water for accusing the U.S. of the

> worst genocide in

> > modern times for the extermination of native

> Americans, in what is

> > today the US, which has claimed 15 million lives.

> >

> > The article on that is here:

> >

> > http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?

> > subchannel_id=48&story_id=6502

> >

> > Now, that would seem to be race and class based,

> yet I know that

> the

> > European immigrants saw the natives as "Godless

> Savages" and that

> > much of what happened has been justified with

> religious terms.

> > Christian religious terms.

> >

> >

> > There is no "other" to be blamed. It's easy to

> distract ourselves

> by

> > pointing fingers at Christians and then Hindus,

> then white

> > supremists, then at tribal warlords. But we cannot

> examine these

> > crimes with an eye to blame, but with a sincere

> desire to

> understand

> > what it is that drives these things forward and

> how can that be

> > excised or otherwise addressed.

> >

> > We kill. We kill each other. I think we should try

> and figure out

> why

> > and then try to fix that. In ourselves.

> >

> > Blessings,

> >

> > prainbow

> >

> > , "Arjuna

> Taradasa"

> > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

> > > 93

> > >

> > > ,

> "childofdevi"

> > > <childofdevi> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Not one Nayanar but there were several

> Nayanars who were

> > > responsible; but if you read the story

> carefully, ordinary jainas

> > > were not tormented; it was only the vile and

> cruel jainas ( what

> > > about jaina ahimsa LOL) who indulged in black

> magic and violence

> > who

> > > were killed.

> > >

> > > This is not different from medieval christians

> who

> > killed "witches".

> > > Same thing.

> > > BTW there are some other "holy" deeds of those

> nayanars, read the

> > > stories :-)...

> > >

> > > > Cmon, "several" is still in the single digit

> LOL; no way does

> it

> > > > compare with the millions of Hindus

> slaughtered

> > >

> > > I'm doubtful about "millions"... Anyway the

> reason is simple:

> hindu

> > > had no military power to do so. Otherwise

> definitely situation

> > would

> > > have been opposite. Hindus did kill many

> muslims, didn't they?

> > > About killing of lingayatas U keep quiet... The

> fact BTW is that

> > > Basavanna married a couple who loved each other

> but that marriage

> > was

> > > against caste rules. So "righteous" hindus

> killed them :-(.

> > >

> > > nor the systematic

> > > > and covert conversion of Hindus(Catholic

> priests in Ceylon for

> > > > instance made the Hindu students spit at their

> deities; no

> Hindu

> > > > teacher would ever make a Christian spit at

> Christ)

> > >

> > > This is true. Hindus are so proud of themeselves

> that they do not

> > > allow others to convert into hinduism :-(. One

> example i've given

> > in

> > > previous posting. Now, thanx to God, situation

> is slowly

> > improving...

> > > About those catholic priests U mentioned - that

> is thier own

> > > stupidity, not prescription of the Church.

> > >

> > > > A 1000 years of Muslim rule and almost 300

> years of British

> > > Christian rule and still HInduism is alive today

> as it was 5000

> > years

> > > ago

> > >

> > > Not at all "as it was ago". Plz be more

> objective

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Greetings, prainbow: I also read your post the first time, I greatly

appreciated it, and I agree with your comments at the end. I guess I

just got busy doing what you suggested about looking within and

forgot to mention how much I appreciated what you wrote

 

Mary Ann

 

, Brianna Mosteller

<rubyrapunzel> wrote:

> Om Namah Shivayah,

>

> I did read it, Prainbow. Sorry for not responding,

> it's definately a response-worthy topic. The last

> paragraph of your post was most meaningful.

>

> Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu

>

> shanti shanti shanti

>

> pranams,

>

> Brianna

>

> --- prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > Hey,

> >

> > did anybody even read this? Because I'm thinking

> > that maybe my posts

> > are just too long or too boring to even respond to.

> >

> > Gentle feedback is welcome.

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > prainbow

> >

> > , "prainbow61"

> > <paulie-

> > rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Peace to all. This is quite a hot topic.

> > >

> > > And it should be really. Many people have been

> > killed in the name

> > of

> > > religion, and also in the names of other things

> > that seem to sort

> > > people into "us" and "them." The age of genocide

> > is still with us.

> > >

> > > I was recently watching programs about the 10 year

> > anniversary of

> > the

> > > genocide in Rwanda, where, over the period of 100

> > days 800,000

> > people

> > > were slaughtered. One program showed that a Nazi

> > Holocaust survivor

> > > makes trips to various schools to talk about his

> > experience. He

> > spoke

> > > at a school attended by a woman who was 9 when she

> > survived the

> > > genocide in Rwanda. She contacted him. Now they

> > speak to schools

> > > together. In this way they demonstrate through

> > personal experience

> > > that genocide is not limited to one historical

> > period or one group

> > of

> > > people, or one anything. This is a part of human

> > history and it is

> > > important for us to grapple with it.

> > >

> > > It's a very hot topic. How much passion must there

> > be in us for

> > these

> > > things to take place? How much shame must there be

> > in us for us to

> > > deny that we contain this potential? I see it as

> > quite a problem, a

> > > spiritual problem.

> > >

> > > I personally believe that Fundamentalism in any

> > form by any

> > religious

> > > group plays into this problem and worsens

> > relations between groups.

> > > Evangelism also seems to be a potential source of

> > the worst kind of

> > > attitude and treatment of others. I'm sure there

> > are many other

> > > causes or symptoms or factors as much genocide

> > takes place on basis

> > > of tribal or racial differences. But even then, I

> > frequently see

> > > religion lurking in the background.

> > >

> > > For example, today the Belgian Defence Minister

> > Andre Flahaut is in

> > a

> > > lot of hot water for accusing the U.S. of the

> > worst genocide in

> > > modern times for the extermination of native

> > Americans, in what is

> > > today the US, which has claimed 15 million lives.

> > >

> > > The article on that is here:

> > >

> > > http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?

> > > subchannel_id=48&story_id=6502

> > >

> > > Now, that would seem to be race and class based,

> > yet I know that

> > the

> > > European immigrants saw the natives as "Godless

> > Savages" and that

> > > much of what happened has been justified with

> > religious terms.

> > > Christian religious terms.

> > >

> > >

> > > There is no "other" to be blamed. It's easy to

> > distract ourselves

> > by

> > > pointing fingers at Christians and then Hindus,

> > then white

> > > supremists, then at tribal warlords. But we cannot

> > examine these

> > > crimes with an eye to blame, but with a sincere

> > desire to

> > understand

> > > what it is that drives these things forward and

> > how can that be

> > > excised or otherwise addressed.

> > >

> > > We kill. We kill each other. I think we should try

> > and figure out

> > why

> > > and then try to fix that. In ourselves.

> > >

> > > Blessings,

> > >

> > > prainbow

> > >

> > > , "Arjuna

> > Taradasa"

> > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

> > > > 93

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > "childofdevi"

> > > > <childofdevi> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Not one Nayanar but there were several

> > Nayanars who were

> > > > responsible; but if you read the story

> > carefully, ordinary jainas

> > > > were not tormented; it was only the vile and

> > cruel jainas ( what

> > > > about jaina ahimsa LOL) who indulged in black

> > magic and violence

> > > who

> > > > were killed.

> > > >

> > > > This is not different from medieval christians

> > who

> > > killed "witches".

> > > > Same thing.

> > > > BTW there are some other "holy" deeds of those

> > nayanars, read the

> > > > stories :-)...

> > > >

> > > > > Cmon, "several" is still in the single digit

> > LOL; no way does

> > it

> > > > > compare with the millions of Hindus

> > slaughtered

> > > >

> > > > I'm doubtful about "millions"... Anyway the

> > reason is simple:

> > hindu

> > > > had no military power to do so. Otherwise

> > definitely situation

> > > would

> > > > have been opposite. Hindus did kill many

> > muslims, didn't they?

> > > > About killing of lingayatas U keep quiet... The

> > fact BTW is that

> > > > Basavanna married a couple who loved each other

> > but that marriage

> > > was

> > > > against caste rules. So "righteous" hindus

> > killed them :-(.

> > > >

> > > > nor the systematic

> > > > > and covert conversion of Hindus(Catholic

> > priests in Ceylon for

> > > > > instance made the Hindu students spit at their

> > deities; no

> > Hindu

> > > > > teacher would ever make a Christian spit at

> > Christ)

> > > >

> > > > This is true. Hindus are so proud of themeselves

> > that they do not

> > > > allow others to convert into hinduism :-(. One

> > example i've given

> > > in

> > > > previous posting. Now, thanx to God, situation

> > is slowly

> > > improving...

> > > > About those catholic priests U mentioned - that

> > is thier own

> > > > stupidity, not prescription of the Church.

> > > >

> > > > > A 1000 years of Muslim rule and almost 300

> > years of British

> > > > Christian rule and still HInduism is alive today

> > as it was 5000

> > > years

> > > > ago

> > > >

> > > > Not at all "as it was ago". Plz be more

> > objective

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Namaste,

 

Thanks for responding. I do appreciate it. I think I'm feeling a

little lost in this unemployment thing and I just want to feel like

I'm being heard. And I do wonder if I don't get a little wordy and

all.

 

Any way, thank you.

 

prainbow

 

, "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...>

wrote:

> Greetings, prainbow: I also read your post the first time, I

greatly

> appreciated it, and I agree with your comments at the end. I guess

I

> just got busy doing what you suggested about looking within and

> forgot to mention how much I appreciated what you wrote

>

> Mary Ann

>

> , Brianna Mosteller

> <rubyrapunzel> wrote:

> > Om Namah Shivayah,

> >

> > I did read it, Prainbow. Sorry for not responding,

> > it's definately a response-worthy topic. The last

> > paragraph of your post was most meaningful.

> >

> > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu

> >

> > shanti shanti shanti

> >

> > pranams,

> >

> > Brianna

> >

> > --- prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > Hey,

> > >

> > > did anybody even read this? Because I'm thinking

> > > that maybe my posts

> > > are just too long or too boring to even respond to.

> > >

> > > Gentle feedback is welcome.

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > prainbow

> > >

> > > , "prainbow61"

> > > <paulie-

> > > rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Peace to all. This is quite a hot topic.

> > > >

> > > > And it should be really. Many people have been

> > > killed in the name

> > > of

> > > > religion, and also in the names of other things

> > > that seem to sort

> > > > people into "us" and "them." The age of genocide

> > > is still with us.

> > > >

> > > > I was recently watching programs about the 10 year

> > > anniversary of

> > > the

> > > > genocide in Rwanda, where, over the period of 100

> > > days 800,000

> > > people

> > > > were slaughtered. One program showed that a Nazi

> > > Holocaust survivor

> > > > makes trips to various schools to talk about his

> > > experience. He

> > > spoke

> > > > at a school attended by a woman who was 9 when she

> > > survived the

> > > > genocide in Rwanda. She contacted him. Now they

> > > speak to schools

> > > > together. In this way they demonstrate through

> > > personal experience

> > > > that genocide is not limited to one historical

> > > period or one group

> > > of

> > > > people, or one anything. This is a part of human

> > > history and it is

> > > > important for us to grapple with it.

> > > >

> > > > It's a very hot topic. How much passion must there

> > > be in us for

> > > these

> > > > things to take place? How much shame must there be

> > > in us for us to

> > > > deny that we contain this potential? I see it as

> > > quite a problem, a

> > > > spiritual problem.

> > > >

> > > > I personally believe that Fundamentalism in any

> > > form by any

> > > religious

> > > > group plays into this problem and worsens

> > > relations between groups.

> > > > Evangelism also seems to be a potential source of

> > > the worst kind of

> > > > attitude and treatment of others. I'm sure there

> > > are many other

> > > > causes or symptoms or factors as much genocide

> > > takes place on basis

> > > > of tribal or racial differences. But even then, I

> > > frequently see

> > > > religion lurking in the background.

> > > >

> > > > For example, today the Belgian Defence Minister

> > > Andre Flahaut is in

> > > a

> > > > lot of hot water for accusing the U.S. of the

> > > worst genocide in

> > > > modern times for the extermination of native

> > > Americans, in what is

> > > > today the US, which has claimed 15 million lives.

> > > >

> > > > The article on that is here:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?

> > > > subchannel_id=48&story_id=6502

> > > >

> > > > Now, that would seem to be race and class based,

> > > yet I know that

> > > the

> > > > European immigrants saw the natives as "Godless

> > > Savages" and that

> > > > much of what happened has been justified with

> > > religious terms.

> > > > Christian religious terms.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > There is no "other" to be blamed. It's easy to

> > > distract ourselves

> > > by

> > > > pointing fingers at Christians and then Hindus,

> > > then white

> > > > supremists, then at tribal warlords. But we cannot

> > > examine these

> > > > crimes with an eye to blame, but with a sincere

> > > desire to

> > > understand

> > > > what it is that drives these things forward and

> > > how can that be

> > > > excised or otherwise addressed.

> > > >

> > > > We kill. We kill each other. I think we should try

> > > and figure out

> > > why

> > > > and then try to fix that. In ourselves.

> > > >

> > > > Blessings,

> > > >

> > > > prainbow

> > > >

> > > > , "Arjuna

> > > Taradasa"

> > > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

> > > > > 93

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > "childofdevi"

> > > > > <childofdevi> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Not one Nayanar but there were several

> > > Nayanars who were

> > > > > responsible; but if you read the story

> > > carefully, ordinary jainas

> > > > > were not tormented; it was only the vile and

> > > cruel jainas ( what

> > > > > about jaina ahimsa LOL) who indulged in black

> > > magic and violence

> > > > who

> > > > > were killed.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is not different from medieval christians

> > > who

> > > > killed "witches".

> > > > > Same thing.

> > > > > BTW there are some other "holy" deeds of those

> > > nayanars, read the

> > > > > stories :-)...

> > > > >

> > > > > > Cmon, "several" is still in the single digit

> > > LOL; no way does

> > > it

> > > > > > compare with the millions of Hindus

> > > slaughtered

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm doubtful about "millions"... Anyway the

> > > reason is simple:

> > > hindu

> > > > > had no military power to do so. Otherwise

> > > definitely situation

> > > > would

> > > > > have been opposite. Hindus did kill many

> > > muslims, didn't they?

> > > > > About killing of lingayatas U keep quiet... The

> > > fact BTW is that

> > > > > Basavanna married a couple who loved each other

> > > but that marriage

> > > > was

> > > > > against caste rules. So "righteous" hindus

> > > killed them :-(.

> > > > >

> > > > > nor the systematic

> > > > > > and covert conversion of Hindus(Catholic

> > > priests in Ceylon for

> > > > > > instance made the Hindu students spit at their

> > > deities; no

> > > Hindu

> > > > > > teacher would ever make a Christian spit at

> > > Christ)

> > > > >

> > > > > This is true. Hindus are so proud of themeselves

> > > that they do not

> > > > > allow others to convert into hinduism :-(. One

> > > example i've given

> > > > in

> > > > > previous posting. Now, thanx to God, situation

> > > is slowly

> > > > improving...

> > > > > About those catholic priests U mentioned - that

> > > is thier own

> > > > > stupidity, not prescription of the Church.

> > > > >

> > > > > > A 1000 years of Muslim rule and almost 300

> > > years of British

> > > > > Christian rule and still HInduism is alive today

> > > as it was 5000

> > > > years

> > > > > ago

> > > > >

> > > > > Not at all "as it was ago". Plz be more

> > > objective

> > === message truncated ===

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Tax Center - File online by April 15th

> > http://taxes./filing.html

[Guest guest]

Hi Prainbow:

 

Sorry for my silence. I've been away for a couple of days and

haven't been keeping up with the list. Just catching up now. I'm

sending Nora and Kochu copies of the Khadgamala Devi photo disc,

together with a wealth of other Devipuram information, movies,

documents, etc., so that if I get run down by a bus or end up drunk

in a gutter or something, the series will continue on seamlessly.

 

You noted *** I think I'm feeling a little lost in this unemployment

thing and I just want to feel like I'm being heard. ***

 

Understandable. Sorry to hear that things are still dangling. Let's

keep praying for a quick and satisfactory resolution -- that means

anyone who's happened to open and read this post. Will you help?

 

*** And I do wonder if I don't get a little wordy and all. ***

 

I don't think you're too wordy. But what of it if you are? This

Group is around 1,200 members strong, but a huge percentage of those

members choose never to say a word. Many are very active, in the

sense of receiving Individual Emails for years, and occasionally

sending a kind note or card offline. But never a word on-board.

That's fine of course, but if everyone just hung around waiting for

someone else to say something, the Group wouldn't be any good to

anyone. So feel free: Talk!!!!

 

As for responses, don't sweat it. It's the nature of the medium. I

can't count the times I've spent hours carefully thinking through a

post, painstakingly composing it -- then seeing it just disappear

into the Archives, apparently completely unnoticed. Better yet,

we've got one or two sadsacks around here who basically exist only

to insult and provoke. These poor, idle souls occasionally send me

(or Nora or Kochu or some other member) nasty notes about how this

post made me look stupid or that one showed how boring I am, or

another one supposedly laid bare my lack of perception, etc. Then

they crawl back under their rock until something else provokes their

inner anger.

 

If I listened to them -- if I began second guessing myself: "Oh no,

is this stupid? Is this boring? Am I revealing my limitations?" I

would soon go quiet too. Instead, I just run with it: If I'm wrong,

let someone correct me. If it's a matter of interpretation, let many

different members chime in and begin a lively debate. If it's

stupid, let someone post something smarter. If it's boring, let

someone post something more interesting. And pretty soon you have a

pretty good discussion going on!

 

And don't forget that silent majority. Having done this for a few

years, I've slowly realized that very little in this group goes

unread. When you post here, you are reaching like-minded souls on at

least six continents. You may never know whom you touched somewhere

in the world, whom you inspired, to whom you brought a smile or

laugh -- you may even have a few "fans" and not even know it. It's a

cliche, but it's often true that silence can be golden.

 

Aum Maatangyai Namahe

 

 

> I

> > just got busy doing what you suggested about looking within and

> > forgot to mention how much I appreciated what you wrote

> >

> > Mary Ann

> >

> > , Brianna Mosteller

> > <rubyrapunzel> wrote:

> > > Om Namah Shivayah,

> > >

> > > I did read it, Prainbow. Sorry for not responding,

> > > it's definately a response-worthy topic. The last

> > > paragraph of your post was most meaningful.

> > >

> > > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu

> > >

> > > shanti shanti shanti

> > >

> > > pranams,

> > >

> > > Brianna

> > >

> > > --- prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > Hey,

> > > >

> > > > did anybody even read this? Because I'm thinking

> > > > that maybe my posts

> > > > are just too long or too boring to even respond to.

> > > >

> > > > Gentle feedback is welcome.

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > prainbow

> > > >

> > > > , "prainbow61"

> > > > <paulie-

> > > > rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > Peace to all. This is quite a hot topic.

> > > > >

> > > > > And it should be really. Many people have been

> > > > killed in the name

> > > > of

> > > > > religion, and also in the names of other things

> > > > that seem to sort

> > > > > people into "us" and "them." The age of genocide

> > > > is still with us.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was recently watching programs about the 10 year

> > > > anniversary of

> > > > the

> > > > > genocide in Rwanda, where, over the period of 100

> > > > days 800,000

> > > > people

> > > > > were slaughtered. One program showed that a Nazi

> > > > Holocaust survivor

> > > > > makes trips to various schools to talk about his

> > > > experience. He

> > > > spoke

> > > > > at a school attended by a woman who was 9 when she

> > > > survived the

> > > > > genocide in Rwanda. She contacted him. Now they

> > > > speak to schools

> > > > > together. In this way they demonstrate through

> > > > personal experience

> > > > > that genocide is not limited to one historical

> > > > period or one group

> > > > of

> > > > > people, or one anything. This is a part of human

> > > > history and it is

> > > > > important for us to grapple with it.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's a very hot topic. How much passion must there

> > > > be in us for

> > > > these

> > > > > things to take place? How much shame must there be

> > > > in us for us to

> > > > > deny that we contain this potential? I see it as

> > > > quite a problem, a

> > > > > spiritual problem.

> > > > >

> > > > > I personally believe that Fundamentalism in any

> > > > form by any

> > > > religious

> > > > > group plays into this problem and worsens

> > > > relations between groups.

> > > > > Evangelism also seems to be a potential source of

> > > > the worst kind of

> > > > > attitude and treatment of others. I'm sure there

> > > > are many other

> > > > > causes or symptoms or factors as much genocide

> > > > takes place on basis

> > > > > of tribal or racial differences. But even then, I

> > > > frequently see

> > > > > religion lurking in the background.

> > > > >

> > > > > For example, today the Belgian Defence Minister

> > > > Andre Flahaut is in

> > > > a

> > > > > lot of hot water for accusing the U.S. of the

> > > > worst genocide in

> > > > > modern times for the extermination of native

> > > > Americans, in what is

> > > > > today the US, which has claimed 15 million lives.

> > > > >

> > > > > The article on that is here:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?

> > > > > subchannel_id=48&story_id=6502

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, that would seem to be race and class based,

> > > > yet I know that

> > > > the

> > > > > European immigrants saw the natives as "Godless

> > > > Savages" and that

> > > > > much of what happened has been justified with

> > > > religious terms.

> > > > > Christian religious terms.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no "other" to be blamed. It's easy to

> > > > distract ourselves

> > > > by

> > > > > pointing fingers at Christians and then Hindus,

> > > > then white

> > > > > supremists, then at tribal warlords. But we cannot

> > > > examine these

> > > > > crimes with an eye to blame, but with a sincere

> > > > desire to

> > > > understand

> > > > > what it is that drives these things forward and

> > > > how can that be

> > > > > excised or otherwise addressed.

> > > > >

> > > > > We kill. We kill each other. I think we should try

> > > > and figure out

> > > > why

> > > > > and then try to fix that. In ourselves.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessings,

> > > > >

> > > > > prainbow

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Arjuna

> > > > Taradasa"

> > > > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > 93

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > > > "childofdevi"

> > > > > > <childofdevi> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Not one Nayanar but there were several

> > > > Nayanars who were

> > > > > > responsible; but if you read the story

> > > > carefully, ordinary jainas

> > > > > > were not tormented; it was only the vile and

> > > > cruel jainas ( what

> > > > > > about jaina ahimsa LOL) who indulged in black

> > > > magic and violence

> > > > > who

> > > > > > were killed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is not different from medieval christians

> > > > who

> > > > > killed "witches".

> > > > > > Same thing.

> > > > > > BTW there are some other "holy" deeds of those

> > > > nayanars, read the

> > > > > > stories :-)...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cmon, "several" is still in the single digit

> > > > LOL; no way does

> > > > it

> > > > > > > compare with the millions of Hindus

> > > > slaughtered

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm doubtful about "millions"... Anyway the

> > > > reason is simple:

> > > > hindu

> > > > > > had no military power to do so. Otherwise

> > > > definitely situation

> > > > > would

> > > > > > have been opposite. Hindus did kill many

> > > > muslims, didn't they?

> > > > > > About killing of lingayatas U keep quiet... The

> > > > fact BTW is that

> > > > > > Basavanna married a couple who loved each other

> > > > but that marriage

> > > > > was

> > > > > > against caste rules. So "righteous" hindus

> > > > killed them :-(.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nor the systematic

> > > > > > > and covert conversion of Hindus(Catholic

> > > > priests in Ceylon for

> > > > > > > instance made the Hindu students spit at their

> > > > deities; no

> > > > Hindu

> > > > > > > teacher would ever make a Christian spit at

> > > > Christ)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is true. Hindus are so proud of themeselves

> > > > that they do not

> > > > > > allow others to convert into hinduism :-(. One

> > > > example i've given

> > > > > in

> > > > > > previous posting. Now, thanx to God, situation

> > > > is slowly

> > > > > improving...

> > > > > > About those catholic priests U mentioned - that

> > > > is thier own

> > > > > > stupidity, not prescription of the Church.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > A 1000 years of Muslim rule and almost 300

> > > > years of British

> > > > > > Christian rule and still HInduism is alive today

> > > > as it was 5000

> > > > > years

> > > > > > ago

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Not at all "as it was ago". Plz be more

> > > > objective

> > > === message truncated ===

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Tax Center - File online by April 15th

> > > http://taxes./filing.html

[Guest guest]

Beloveds,

Some help for Prainbow: Mercury is going retrograde now and so it may

take until the end of the month for you to get the answer you need to

your applications. Then look to May 5 or shortly after for a positive

decision perhaps involving travel when Jupiter goes direct.

Thank you so much Devi Bhakta for the great work on Khadgamala.

Her blessings,

Sw. Prem Vedarthi

 

Devi Bhakta wrote:

> Hi Prainbow:

>

>

> You noted *** I think I'm feeling a little lost in this unemployment

> thing and I just want to feel like I'm being heard. ***

>

> Understandable. Sorry to hear that things are still dangling. Let's

> keep praying for a quick and satisfactory resolution -- that means

> anyone who's happened to open and read this post. Will you help?

> Aum Maatangyai Namahe

>

>

>

> > I

> > > just got busy doing what you suggested about looking within and

> > > forgot to mention how much I appreciated what you wrote

> > >

> > > Mary Ann

> > >

> > > , Brianna Mosteller

> > > <rubyrapunzel> wrote:

> > > > Om Namah Shivayah,

> > > >

> > > > I did read it, Prainbow. Sorry for not responding,

> > > > it's definately a response-worthy topic. The last

> > > > paragraph of your post was most meaningful.

> > > >

> > > > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu

> > > >

> > > > shanti shanti shanti

> > > >

> > > > pranams,

> > > >

> > > > Brianna

> > > >

> > > > --- prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > > Hey,

> > > > >

> > > > > did anybody even read this? Because I'm thinking

> > > > > that maybe my posts

> > > > > are just too long or too boring to even respond to.

> > > > >

> > > > > Gentle feedback is welcome.

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > prainbow

> > > > >

> > > > > , "prainbow61"

> > > > > <paulie-

> > > > > rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Peace to all. This is quite a hot topic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And it should be really. Many people have been

> > > > > killed in the name

> > > > > of

> > > > > > religion, and also in the names of other things

> > > > > that seem to sort

> > > > > > people into "us" and "them." The age of genocide

> > > > > is still with us.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was recently watching programs about the 10 year

> > > > > anniversary of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > genocide in Rwanda, where, over the period of 100

> > > > > days 800,000

> > > > > people

> > > > > > were slaughtered. One program showed that a Nazi

> > > > > Holocaust survivor

> > > > > > makes trips to various schools to talk about his

> > > > > experience. He

> > > > > spoke

> > > > > > at a school attended by a woman who was 9 when she

> > > > > survived the

> > > > > > genocide in Rwanda. She contacted him. Now they

> > > > > speak to schools

> > > > > > together. In this way they demonstrate through

> > > > > personal experience

> > > > > > that genocide is not limited to one historical

> > > > > period or one group

> > > > > of

> > > > > > people, or one anything. This is a part of human

> > > > > history and it is

> > > > > > important for us to grapple with it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's a very hot topic. How much passion must there

> > > > > be in us for

> > > > > these

> > > > > > things to take place? How much shame must there be

> > > > > in us for us to

> > > > > > deny that we contain this potential? I see it as

> > > > > quite a problem, a

> > > > > > spiritual problem.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I personally believe that Fundamentalism in any

> > > > > form by any

> > > > > religious

> > > > > > group plays into this problem and worsens

> > > > > relations between groups.

> > > > > > Evangelism also seems to be a potential source of

> > > > > the worst kind of

> > > > > > attitude and treatment of others. I'm sure there

> > > > > are many other

> > > > > > causes or symptoms or factors as much genocide

> > > > > takes place on basis

> > > > > > of tribal or racial differences. But even then, I

> > > > > frequently see

> > > > > > religion lurking in the background.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For example, today the Belgian Defence Minister

> > > > > Andre Flahaut is in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > lot of hot water for accusing the U.S. of the

> > > > > worst genocide in

> > > > > > modern times for the extermination of native

> > > > > Americans, in what is

> > > > > > today the US, which has claimed 15 million lives.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The article on that is here:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?

> > > > > > subchannel_id=48&story_id=6502

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, that would seem to be race and class based,

> > > > > yet I know that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > European immigrants saw the natives as "Godless

> > > > > Savages" and that

> > > > > > much of what happened has been justified with

> > > > > religious terms.

> > > > > > Christian religious terms.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no "other" to be blamed. It's easy to

> > > > > distract ourselves

> > > > > by

> > > > > > pointing fingers at Christians and then Hindus,

> > > > > then white

> > > > > > supremists, then at tribal warlords. But we cannot

> > > > > examine these

> > > > > > crimes with an eye to blame, but with a sincere

> > > > > desire to

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > what it is that drives these things forward and

> > > > > how can that be

> > > > > > excised or otherwise addressed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We kill. We kill each other. I think we should try

> > > > > and figure out

> > > > > why

> > > > > > and then try to fix that. In ourselves.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessings,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prainbow

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Arjuna

> > > > > Taradasa"

> > > > > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > > 93

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> > > > > "childofdevi"

> > > > > > > <childofdevi> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Not one Nayanar but there were several

> > > > > Nayanars who were

> > > > > > > responsible; but if you read the story

> > > > > carefully, ordinary jainas

> > > > > > > were not tormented; it was only the vile and

> > > > > cruel jainas ( what

> > > > > > > about jaina ahimsa LOL) who indulged in black

> > > > > magic and violence

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > were killed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is not different from medieval christians

> > > > > who

> > > > > > killed "witches".

> > > > > > > Same thing.

> > > > > > > BTW there are some other "holy" deeds of those

> > > > > nayanars, read the

> > > > > > > stories :-)...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Cmon, "several" is still in the single digit

> > > > > LOL; no way does

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > compare with the millions of Hindus

> > > > > slaughtered

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm doubtful about "millions"... Anyway the

> > > > > reason is simple:

> > > > > hindu

> > > > > > > had no military power to do so. Otherwise

> > > > > definitely situation

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > have been opposite. Hindus did kill many

> > > > > muslims, didn't they?

> > > > > > > About killing of lingayatas U keep quiet... The

> > > > > fact BTW is that

> > > > > > > Basavanna married a couple who loved each other

> > > > > but that marriage

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > against caste rules. So "righteous" hindus

> > > > > killed them :-(.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > nor the systematic

> > > > > > > > and covert conversion of Hindus(Catholic

> > > > > priests in Ceylon for

> > > > > > > > instance made the Hindu students spit at their

> > > > > deities; no

> > > > > Hindu

> > > > > > > > teacher would ever make a Christian spit at

> > > > > Christ)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is true. Hindus are so proud of themeselves

> > > > > that they do not

> > > > > > > allow others to convert into hinduism :-(. One

> > > > > example i've given

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > previous posting. Now, thanx to God, situation

> > > > > is slowly

> > > > > > improving...

> > > > > > > About those catholic priests U mentioned - that

> > > > > is thier own

> > > > > > > stupidity, not prescription of the Church.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A 1000 years of Muslim rule and almost 300

> > > > > years of British

> > > > > > > Christian rule and still HInduism is alive today

> > > > > as it was 5000

> > > > > > years

> > > > > > > ago

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Not at all "as it was ago". Plz be more

> > > > > objective

> > > > === message truncated ===

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Tax Center - File online by April 15th

> > > > http://taxes./filing.html

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>

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>

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>

>

> * Terms of

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[Guest guest]

but........... for Devi does the fact that mercury is retrograde or in

acceleration or direct or in stambhan matter? (Please do not think I am being

offensive; I am not) I am just saying that for a Devi upasaka what SHE wills is

what matters.

If only prainbow were to read khadgamala...........

 

James Rutke <jrutke wrote:

Beloveds,

Some help for Prainbow: Mercury is going retrograde now and so it may

take until the end of the month for you to get the answer you need to

your applications. Then look to May 5 or shortly after for a positive

decision perhaps involving travel when Jupiter goes direct.

Thank you so much Devi Bhakta for the great work on Khadgamala.

Her blessings,

Sw. Prem Vedarthi

 

Devi Bhakta wrote:

> Hi Prainbow:

>

>

> You noted *** I think I'm feeling a little lost in this unemployment

> thing and I just want to feel like I'm being heard. ***

>

> Understandable. Sorry to hear that things are still dangling. Let's

> keep praying for a quick and satisfactory resolution -- that means

> anyone who's happened to open and read this post. Will you help?

> Aum Maatangyai Namahe

>

>

>

> > I

> > > just got busy doing what you suggested about looking within and

> > > forgot to mention how much I appreciated what you wrote

> > >

> > > Mary Ann

> > >

> > > , Brianna Mosteller

> > > <rubyrapunzel> wrote:

> > > > Om Namah Shivayah,

> > > >

> > > > I did read it, Prainbow. Sorry for not responding,

> > > > it's definately a response-worthy topic. The last

> > > > paragraph of your post was most meaningful.

> > > >

> > > > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu

> > > >

> > > > shanti shanti shanti

> > > >

> > > > pranams,

> > > >

> > > > Brianna

> > > >

> > > > --- prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > > Hey,

> > > > >

> > > > > did anybody even read this? Because I'm thinking

> > > > > that maybe my posts

> > > > > are just too long or too boring to even respond to.

> > > > >

> > > > > Gentle feedback is welcome.

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > prainbow

> > > > >

> > > > > , "prainbow61"

> > > > > <paulie-

> > > > > rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Peace to all. This is quite a hot topic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And it should be really. Many people have been

> > > > > killed in the name

> > > > > of

> > > > > > religion, and also in the names of other things

> > > > > that seem to sort

> > > > > > people into "us" and "them." The age of genocide

> > > > > is still with us.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was recently watching programs about the 10 year

> > > > > anniversary of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > genocide in Rwanda, where, over the period of 100

> > > > > days 800,000

> > > > > people

> > > > > > were slaughtered. One program showed that a Nazi

> > > > > Holocaust survivor

> > > > > > makes trips to various schools to talk about his

> > > > > experience. He

> > > > > spoke

> > > > > > at a school attended by a woman who was 9 when she

> > > > > survived the

> > > > > > genocide in Rwanda. She contacted him. Now they

> > > > > speak to schools

> > > > > > together. In this way they demonstrate through

> > > > > personal experience

> > > > > > that genocide is not limited to one historical

> > > > > period or one group

> > > > > of

> > > > > > people, or one anything. This is a part of human

> > > > > history and it is

> > > > > > important for us to grapple with it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's a very hot topic. How much passion must there

> > > > > be in us for

> > > > > these

> > > > > > things to take place? How much shame must there be

> > > > > in us for us to

> > > > > > deny that we contain this potential? I see it as

> > > > > quite a problem, a

> > > > > > spiritual problem.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I personally believe that Fundamentalism in any

> > > > > form by any

> > > > > religious

> > > > > > group plays into this problem and worsens

> > > > > relations between groups.

> > > > > > Evangelism also seems to be a potential source of

> > > > > the worst kind of

> > > > > > attitude and treatment of others. I'm sure there

> > > > > are many other

> > > > > > causes or symptoms or factors as much genocide

> > > > > takes place on basis

> > > > > > of tribal or racial differences. But even then, I

> > > > > frequently see

> > > > > > religion lurking in the background.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For example, today the Belgian Defence Minister

> > > > > Andre Flahaut is in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > lot of hot water for accusing the U.S. of the

> > > > > worst genocide in

> > > > > > modern times for the extermination of native

> > > > > Americans, in what is

> > > > > > today the US, which has claimed 15 million lives.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The article on that is here:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?

> > > > > > subchannel_id=48&story_id=6502

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, that would seem to be race and class based,

> > > > > yet I know that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > European immigrants saw the natives as "Godless

> > > > > Savages" and that

> > > > > > much of what happened has been justified with

> > > > > religious terms.

> > > > > > Christian religious terms.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no "other" to be blamed. It's easy to

> > > > > distract ourselves

> > > > > by

> > > > > > pointing fingers at Christians and then Hindus,

> > > > > then white

> > > > > > supremists, then at tribal warlords. But we cannot

> > > > > examine these

> > > > > > crimes with an eye to blame, but with a sincere

> > > > > desire to

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > what it is that drives these things forward and

> > > > > how can that be

> > > > > > excised or otherwise addressed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We kill. We kill each other. I think we should try

> > > > > and figure out

> > > > > why

> > > > > > and then try to fix that. In ourselves.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessings,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prainbow

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Arjuna

> > > > > Taradasa"

> > > > > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > > 93

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> > > > > "childofdevi"

> > > > > > > <childofdevi> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Not one Nayanar but there were several

> > > > > Nayanars who were

> > > > > > > responsible; but if you read the story

> > > > > carefully, ordinary jainas

> > > > > > > were not tormented; it was only the vile and

> > > > > cruel jainas ( what

> > > > > > > about jaina ahimsa LOL) who indulged in black

> > > > > magic and violence

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > were killed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is not different from medieval christians

> > > > > who

> > > > > > killed "witches".

> > > > > > > Same thing.

> > > > > > > BTW there are some other "holy" deeds of those

> > > > > nayanars, read the

> > > > > > > stories :-)...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Cmon, "several" is still in the single digit

> > > > > LOL; no way does

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > compare with the millions of Hindus

> > > > > slaughtered

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm doubtful about "millions"... Anyway the

> > > > > reason is simple:

> > > > > hindu

> > > > > > > had no military power to do so. Otherwise

> > > > > definitely situation

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > have been opposite. Hindus did kill many

> > > > > muslims, didn't they?

> > > > > > > About killing of lingayatas U keep quiet... The

> > > > > fact BTW is that

> > > > > > > Basavanna married a couple who loved each other

> > > > > but that marriage

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > against caste rules. So "righteous" hindus

> > > > > killed them :-(.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > nor the systematic

> > > > > > > > and covert conversion of Hindus(Catholic

> > > > > priests in Ceylon for

> > > > > > > > instance made the Hindu students spit at their

> > > > > deities; no

> > > > > Hindu

> > > > > > > > teacher would ever make a Christian spit at

> > > > > Christ)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is true. Hindus are so proud of themeselves

> > > > > that they do not

> > > > > > > allow others to convert into hinduism :-(. One

> > > > > example i've given

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > previous posting. Now, thanx to God, situation

> > > > > is slowly

> > > > > > improving...

> > > > > > > About those catholic priests U mentioned - that

> > > > > is thier own

> > > > > > > stupidity, not prescription of the Church.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A 1000 years of Muslim rule and almost 300

> > > > > years of British

> > > > > > > Christian rule and still HInduism is alive today

> > > > > as it was 5000

> > > > > > years

> > > > > > > ago

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Not at all "as it was ago". Plz be more

> > > > > objective

> > > > === message truncated ===

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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She may be playing hide and seek!

Prem

 

sankara menon wrote:

> but........... for Devi does the fact that mercury is retrograde or

> in acceleration or direct or in stambhan matter? (Please do not think

> I am being offensive; I am not) I am just saying that for a Devi

> upasaka what SHE wills is what matters.

> If only prainbow were to read khadgamala...........

>

> James Rutke <jrutke wrote:

> Beloveds,

> Some help for Prainbow: Mercury is going retrograde now and so it may

> take until the end of the month for you to get the answer you need to

> your applications. Then look to May 5 or shortly after for a positive

> decision perhaps involving travel when Jupiter goes direct.

> Thank you so much Devi Bhakta for the great work on Khadgamala.

> Her blessings,

> Sw. Prem Vedarthi

>

> Devi Bhakta wrote:

>

> > Hi Prainbow:

> >

> >

> > You noted *** I think I'm feeling a little lost in this unemployment

>

> > thing and I just want to feel like I'm being heard. ***

> >

> > Understandable. Sorry to hear that things are still dangling. Let's

> > keep praying for a quick and satisfactory resolution -- that means

> > anyone who's happened to open and read this post. Will you help?

> > Aum Maatangyai Namahe

> >

> >

> >

> > > I

> > > > just got busy doing what you suggested about looking within and

> > > > forgot to mention how much I appreciated what you wrote

> > > >

> > > > Mary Ann

> > > >

> > > > , Brianna Mosteller

> > > > <rubyrapunzel> wrote:

> > > > > Om Namah Shivayah,

> > > > >

> > > > > I did read it, Prainbow. Sorry for not responding,

> > > > > it's definately a response-worthy topic. The last

> > > > > paragraph of your post was most meaningful.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu

> > > > >

> > > > > shanti shanti shanti

> > > > >

> > > > > pranams,

> > > > >

> > > > > Brianna

> > > > >

> > > > > --- prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > > > Hey,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > did anybody even read this? Because I'm thinking

> > > > > > that maybe my posts

> > > > > > are just too long or too boring to even respond to.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gentle feedback is welcome.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prainbow

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "prainbow61"

> > > > > > <paulie-

> > > > > > rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Peace to all. This is quite a hot topic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And it should be really. Many people have been

> > > > > > killed in the name

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > religion, and also in the names of other things

> > > > > > that seem to sort

> > > > > > > people into "us" and "them." The age of genocide

> > > > > > is still with us.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was recently watching programs about the 10 year

> > > > > > anniversary of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > genocide in Rwanda, where, over the period of 100

> > > > > > days 800,000

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > were slaughtered. One program showed that a Nazi

> > > > > > Holocaust survivor

> > > > > > > makes trips to various schools to talk about his

> > > > > > experience. He

> > > > > > spoke

> > > > > > > at a school attended by a woman who was 9 when she

> > > > > > survived the

> > > > > > > genocide in Rwanda. She contacted him. Now they

> > > > > > speak to schools

> > > > > > > together. In this way they demonstrate through

> > > > > > personal experience

> > > > > > > that genocide is not limited to one historical

> > > > > > period or one group

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > people, or one anything. This is a part of human

> > > > > > history and it is

> > > > > > > important for us to grapple with it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's a very hot topic. How much passion must there

> > > > > > be in us for

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > things to take place? How much shame must there be

> > > > > > in us for us to

> > > > > > > deny that we contain this potential? I see it as

> > > > > > quite a problem, a

> > > > > > > spiritual problem.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I personally believe that Fundamentalism in any

> > > > > > form by any

> > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > group plays into this problem and worsens

> > > > > > relations between groups.

> > > > > > > Evangelism also seems to be a potential source of

> > > > > > the worst kind of

> > > > > > > attitude and treatment of others. I'm sure there

> > > > > > are many other

> > > > > > > causes or symptoms or factors as much genocide

> > > > > > takes place on basis

> > > > > > > of tribal or racial differences. But even then, I

> > > > > > frequently see

> > > > > > > religion lurking in the background.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For example, today the Belgian Defence Minister

> > > > > > Andre Flahaut is in

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > lot of hot water for accusing the U.S. of the

> > > > > > worst genocide in

> > > > > > > modern times for the extermination of native

> > > > > > Americans, in what is

> > > > > > > today the US, which has claimed 15 million lives.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The article on that is here:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?

> > > > > > > subchannel_id=48&story_id=6502

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, that would seem to be race and class based,

> > > > > > yet I know that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > European immigrants saw the natives as "Godless

> > > > > > Savages" and that

> > > > > > > much of what happened has been justified with

> > > > > > religious terms.

> > > > > > > Christian religious terms.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no "other" to be blamed. It's easy to

> > > > > > distract ourselves

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > pointing fingers at Christians and then Hindus,

> > > > > > then white

> > > > > > > supremists, then at tribal warlords. But we cannot

> > > > > > examine these

> > > > > > > crimes with an eye to blame, but with a sincere

> > > > > > desire to

> > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > what it is that drives these things forward and

> > > > > > how can that be

> > > > > > > excised or otherwise addressed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We kill. We kill each other. I think we should try

> > > > > > and figure out

> > > > > > why

> > > > > > > and then try to fix that. In ourselves.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Blessings,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prainbow

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "Arjuna

> > > > > > Taradasa"

> > > > > > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > 93

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > "childofdevi"

> > > > > > > > <childofdevi> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Not one Nayanar but there were several

> > > > > > Nayanars who were

> > > > > > > > responsible; but if you read the story

> > > > > > carefully, ordinary jainas

> > > > > > > > were not tormented; it was only the vile and

> > > > > > cruel jainas ( what

> > > > > > > > about jaina ahimsa LOL) who indulged in black

> > > > > > magic and violence

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > were killed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is not different from medieval christians

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > killed "witches".

> > > > > > > > Same thing.

> > > > > > > > BTW there are some other "holy" deeds of those

> > > > > > nayanars, read the

> > > > > > > > stories :-)...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Cmon, "several" is still in the single digit

> > > > > > LOL; no way does

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > compare with the millions of Hindus

> > > > > > slaughtered

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'm doubtful about "millions"... Anyway the

> > > > > > reason is simple:

> > > > > > hindu

> > > > > > > > had no military power to do so. Otherwise

> > > > > > definitely situation

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > have been opposite. Hindus did kill many

> > > > > > muslims, didn't they?

> > > > > > > > About killing of lingayatas U keep quiet... The

> > > > > > fact BTW is that

> > > > > > > > Basavanna married a couple who loved each other

> > > > > > but that marriage

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > against caste rules. So "righteous" hindus

> > > > > > killed them :-(.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > nor the systematic

> > > > > > > > > and covert conversion of Hindus(Catholic

> > > > > > priests in Ceylon for

> > > > > > > > > instance made the Hindu students spit at their

> > > > > > deities; no

> > > > > > Hindu

> > > > > > > > > teacher would ever make a Christian spit at

> > > > > > Christ)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is true. Hindus are so proud of themeselves

> > > > > > that they do not

> > > > > > > > allow others to convert into hinduism :-(. One

> > > > > > example i've given

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > previous posting. Now, thanx to God, situation

> > > > > > is slowly

> > > > > > > improving...

> > > > > > > > About those catholic priests U mentioned - that

> > > > > > is thier own

> > > > > > > > stupidity, not prescription of the Church.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A 1000 years of Muslim rule and almost 300

> > > > > > years of British

> > > > > > > > Christian rule and still HInduism is alive today

> > > > > > as it was 5000

> > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > ago

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Not at all "as it was ago". Plz be more

> > > > > > objective

> > > > > === message truncated ===

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tax Center - File online by April 15th

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Namaste!

 

Ah, yes, well I am working on the khadgamala process. Mercury being

in retrograde and all, I might not be communicating my intents

clearly enough. However, since Devi is Mercury and all of the other

planets, perhaps She is in retrograde and well, no, that doesn't make

sense to me... never mind.

 

However! Good news good news! Devi has found me a job! Yes, those

folks who had been promising me that I might have a job have come

through. I start work on Wednesday! Yea!

 

Thank you all for all of your thoughts and prayers throughout this

time. I am so grateful to you and to the Goddess Herself who has

provided for me throughout this time. I hope that I do my work well

in this capacity and try to remember that the only real job that I

have is to serve Her, though the form that that work takes is always

changing and representing itself to me.

 

Truly I have felt blessed to have a connection to this forum through

this time. It has helped me to maintain my shaky faith in times of

fear.

 

Blessings all,

 

prainbow

 

 

 

, James Rutke <jrutke@e...>

wrote:

> She may be playing hide and seek!

> Prem

>

> sankara menon wrote:

>

> > but........... for Devi does the fact that mercury is retrograde

or

> > in acceleration or direct or in stambhan matter? (Please do not

think

> > I am being offensive; I am not) I am just saying that for a Devi

> > upasaka what SHE wills is what matters.

> > If only prainbow were to read khadgamala...........

> >

> > James Rutke <jrutke@e...> wrote:

> > Beloveds,

> > Some help for Prainbow: Mercury is going retrograde now and so it

may

> > take until the end of the month for you to get the answer you

need to

> > your applications. Then look to May 5 or shortly after for a

positive

> > decision perhaps involving travel when Jupiter goes direct.

> > Thank you so much Devi Bhakta for the great work on Khadgamala.

> > Her blessings,

> > Sw. Prem Vedarthi

> >

> > Devi Bhakta wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Prainbow:

> > >

> > >

> > > You noted *** I think I'm feeling a little lost in this

unemployment

> >

> > > thing and I just want to feel like I'm being heard. ***

> > >

> > > Understandable. Sorry to hear that things are still dangling.

Let's

> > > keep praying for a quick and satisfactory resolution -- that

means

> > > anyone who's happened to open and read this post. Will you help?

> > > Aum Maatangyai Namahe

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > I

> > > > > just got busy doing what you suggested about looking within

and

> > > > > forgot to mention how much I appreciated what you wrote

> > > > >

> > > > > Mary Ann

> > > > >

> > > > > , Brianna Mosteller

> > > > > <rubyrapunzel> wrote:

> > > > > > Om Namah Shivayah,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I did read it, Prainbow. Sorry for not responding,

> > > > > > it's definately a response-worthy topic. The last

> > > > > > paragraph of your post was most meaningful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > shanti shanti shanti

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pranams,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Brianna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Hey,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > did anybody even read this? Because I'm thinking

> > > > > > > that maybe my posts

> > > > > > > are just too long or too boring to even respond to.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Gentle feedback is welcome.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prainbow

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "prainbow61"

> > > > > > > <paulie-

> > > > > > > rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Peace to all. This is quite a hot topic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And it should be really. Many people have been

> > > > > > > killed in the name

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > religion, and also in the names of other things

> > > > > > > that seem to sort

> > > > > > > > people into "us" and "them." The age of genocide

> > > > > > > is still with us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I was recently watching programs about the 10 year

> > > > > > > anniversary of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > genocide in Rwanda, where, over the period of 100

> > > > > > > days 800,000

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > were slaughtered. One program showed that a Nazi

> > > > > > > Holocaust survivor

> > > > > > > > makes trips to various schools to talk about his

> > > > > > > experience. He

> > > > > > > spoke

> > > > > > > > at a school attended by a woman who was 9 when she

> > > > > > > survived the

> > > > > > > > genocide in Rwanda. She contacted him. Now they

> > > > > > > speak to schools

> > > > > > > > together. In this way they demonstrate through

> > > > > > > personal experience

> > > > > > > > that genocide is not limited to one historical

> > > > > > > period or one group

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > people, or one anything. This is a part of human

> > > > > > > history and it is

> > > > > > > > important for us to grapple with it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It's a very hot topic. How much passion must there

> > > > > > > be in us for

> > > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > things to take place? How much shame must there be

> > > > > > > in us for us to

> > > > > > > > deny that we contain this potential? I see it as

> > > > > > > quite a problem, a

> > > > > > > > spiritual problem.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I personally believe that Fundamentalism in any

> > > > > > > form by any

> > > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > group plays into this problem and worsens

> > > > > > > relations between groups.

> > > > > > > > Evangelism also seems to be a potential source of

> > > > > > > the worst kind of

> > > > > > > > attitude and treatment of others. I'm sure there

> > > > > > > are many other

> > > > > > > > causes or symptoms or factors as much genocide

> > > > > > > takes place on basis

> > > > > > > > of tribal or racial differences. But even then, I

> > > > > > > frequently see

> > > > > > > > religion lurking in the background.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For example, today the Belgian Defence Minister

> > > > > > > Andre Flahaut is in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > lot of hot water for accusing the U.S. of the

> > > > > > > worst genocide in

> > > > > > > > modern times for the extermination of native

> > > > > > > Americans, in what is

> > > > > > > > today the US, which has claimed 15 million lives.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The article on that is here:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?

> > > > > > > > subchannel_id=48&story_id=6502

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now, that would seem to be race and class based,

> > > > > > > yet I know that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > European immigrants saw the natives as "Godless

> > > > > > > Savages" and that

> > > > > > > > much of what happened has been justified with

> > > > > > > religious terms.

> > > > > > > > Christian religious terms.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no "other" to be blamed. It's easy to

> > > > > > > distract ourselves

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > pointing fingers at Christians and then Hindus,

> > > > > > > then white

> > > > > > > > supremists, then at tribal warlords. But we cannot

> > > > > > > examine these

> > > > > > > > crimes with an eye to blame, but with a sincere

> > > > > > > desire to

> > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > what it is that drives these things forward and

> > > > > > > how can that be

> > > > > > > > excised or otherwise addressed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We kill. We kill each other. I think we should try

> > > > > > > and figure out

> > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > and then try to fix that. In ourselves.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Blessings,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prainbow

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "Arjuna

> > > > > > > Taradasa"

> > > > > > > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > 93

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > "childofdevi"

> > > > > > > > > <childofdevi> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Not one Nayanar but there were several

> > > > > > > Nayanars who were

> > > > > > > > > responsible; but if you read the story

> > > > > > > carefully, ordinary jainas

> > > > > > > > > were not tormented; it was only the vile and

> > > > > > > cruel jainas ( what

> > > > > > > > > about jaina ahimsa LOL) who indulged in black

> > > > > > > magic and violence

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > were killed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is not different from medieval christians

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > killed "witches".

> > > > > > > > > Same thing.

> > > > > > > > > BTW there are some other "holy" deeds of those

> > > > > > > nayanars, read the

> > > > > > > > > stories :-)...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Cmon, "several" is still in the single digit

> > > > > > > LOL; no way does

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > compare with the millions of Hindus

> > > > > > > slaughtered

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I'm doubtful about "millions"... Anyway the

> > > > > > > reason is simple:

> > > > > > > hindu

> > > > > > > > > had no military power to do so. Otherwise

> > > > > > > definitely situation

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > have been opposite. Hindus did kill many

> > > > > > > muslims, didn't they?

> > > > > > > > > About killing of lingayatas U keep quiet... The

> > > > > > > fact BTW is that

> > > > > > > > > Basavanna married a couple who loved each other

> > > > > > > but that marriage

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > against caste rules. So "righteous" hindus

> > > > > > > killed them :-(.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > nor the systematic

> > > > > > > > > > and covert conversion of Hindus(Catholic

> > > > > > > priests in Ceylon for

> > > > > > > > > > instance made the Hindu students spit at their

> > > > > > > deities; no

> > > > > > > Hindu

> > > > > > > > > > teacher would ever make a Christian spit at

> > > > > > > Christ)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is true. Hindus are so proud of themeselves

> > > > > > > that they do not

> > > > > > > > > allow others to convert into hinduism :-(. One

> > > > > > > example i've given

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > previous posting. Now, thanx to God, situation

> > > > > > > is slowly

> > > > > > > > improving...

> > > > > > > > > About those catholic priests U mentioned - that

> > > > > > > is thier own

> > > > > > > > > stupidity, not prescription of the Church.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A 1000 years of Muslim rule and almost 300

> > > > > > > years of British

> > > > > > > > > Christian rule and still HInduism is alive today

> > > > > > > as it was 5000

> > > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > ago

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Not at all "as it was ago". Plz be more

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Om Parashaktyai Namaha!

 

Prainbow, that is wonderful news! I'm sure you will do

very well. Congratulations!

 

pranams,

 

Brianna

 

--- prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow wrote:

> Namaste!

>

> Ah, yes, well I am working on the khadgamala

> process. Mercury being

> in retrograde and all, I might not be communicating

> my intents

> clearly enough. However, since Devi is Mercury and

> all of the other

> planets, perhaps She is in retrograde and well, no,

> that doesn't make

> sense to me... never mind.

>

> However! Good news good news! Devi has found me a

> job! Yes, those

> folks who had been promising me that I might have a

> job have come

> through. I start work on Wednesday! Yea!

>

> Thank you all for all of your thoughts and prayers

> throughout this

> time. I am so grateful to you and to the Goddess

> Herself who has

> provided for me throughout this time. I hope that I

> do my work well

> in this capacity and try to remember that the only

> real job that I

> have is to serve Her, though the form that that work

> takes is always

> changing and representing itself to me.

>

> Truly I have felt blessed to have a connection to

> this forum through

> this time. It has helped me to maintain my shaky

> faith in times of

> fear.

>

> Blessings all,

>

> prainbow

>

>

>

> , James Rutke

> <jrutke@e...>

> wrote:

> > She may be playing hide and seek!

> > Prem

> >

> > sankara menon wrote:

> >

> > > but........... for Devi does the fact that

> mercury is retrograde

> or

> > > in acceleration or direct or in stambhan

> matter? (Please do not

> think

> > > I am being offensive; I am not) I am just saying

> that for a Devi

> > > upasaka what SHE wills is what matters.

> > > If only prainbow were to read

> khadgamala...........

> > >

> > > James Rutke <jrutke@e...> wrote:

> > > Beloveds,

> > > Some help for Prainbow: Mercury is going

> retrograde now and so it

> may

> > > take until the end of the month for you to get

> the answer you

> need to

> > > your applications. Then look to May 5 or shortly

> after for a

> positive

> > > decision perhaps involving travel when Jupiter

> goes direct.

> > > Thank you so much Devi Bhakta for the great work

> on Khadgamala.

> > > Her blessings,

> > > Sw. Prem Vedarthi

> > >

> > > Devi Bhakta wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi Prainbow:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > You noted *** I think I'm feeling a little

> lost in this

> unemployment

> > >

> > > > thing and I just want to feel like I'm being

> heard. ***

> > > >

> > > > Understandable. Sorry to hear that things are

> still dangling.

> Let's

> > > > keep praying for a quick and satisfactory

> resolution -- that

> means

> > > > anyone who's happened to open and read this

> post. Will you help?

> > > > Aum Maatangyai Namahe

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I

> > > > > > just got busy doing what you suggested

> about looking within

> and

> > > > > > forgot to mention how much I appreciated

> what you wrote

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mary Ann

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> Brianna Mosteller

> > > > > > <rubyrapunzel> wrote:

> > > > > > > Om Namah Shivayah,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I did read it, Prainbow. Sorry for not

> responding,

> > > > > > > it's definately a response-worthy topic.

> The last

> > > > > > > paragraph of your post was most

> meaningful.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > shanti shanti shanti

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pranams,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Brianna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow@u...>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Hey,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > did anybody even read this? Because

> I'm thinking

> > > > > > > > that maybe my posts

> > > > > > > > are just too long or too boring to

> even respond to.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Gentle feedback is welcome.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prainbow

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

> "prainbow61"

> > > > > > > > <paulie-

> > > > > > > > rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Peace to all. This is quite a hot

> topic.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And it should be really. Many people

> have been

> > > > > > > > killed in the name

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > religion, and also in the names of

> other things

> > > > > > > > that seem to sort

> > > > > > > > > people into "us" and "them." The age

> of genocide

> > > > > > > > is still with us.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I was recently watching programs

> about the 10 year

> > > > > > > > anniversary of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > genocide in Rwanda, where, over the

> period of 100

> > > > > > > > days 800,000

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > were slaughtered. One program showed

> that a Nazi

> > > > > > > > Holocaust survivor

> > > > > > > > > makes trips to various schools to

> talk about his

> > > > > > > > experience. He

> > > > > > > > spoke

> > > > > > > > > at a school attended by a woman who

> was 9 when she

> > > > > > > > survived the

> > > > > > > > > genocide in Rwanda. She contacted

> him. Now they

> > > > > > > > speak to schools

> > > > > > > > > together. In this way they

> demonstrate through

> > > > > > > > personal experience

> > > > > > > > > that genocide is not limited to one

> historical

> > > > > > > > period or one group

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > people, or one anything. This is a

> part of human

> > > > > > > > history and it is

> > > > > > > > > important for us to grapple with it.

>

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yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! three cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Champagne all round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow wrote:Namaste!

 

Ah, yes, well I am working on the khadgamala process. Mercury being

in retrograde and all, I might not be communicating my intents

clearly enough. However, since Devi is Mercury and all of the other

planets, perhaps She is in retrograde and well, no, that doesn't make

sense to me... never mind.

 

However! Good news good news! Devi has found me a job! Yes, those

folks who had been promising me that I might have a job have come

through. I start work on Wednesday! Yea!

 

Thank you all for all of your thoughts and prayers throughout this

time. I am so grateful to you and to the Goddess Herself who has

provided for me throughout this time. I hope that I do my work well

in this capacity and try to remember that the only real job that I

have is to serve Her, though the form that that work takes is always

changing and representing itself to me.

 

Truly I have felt blessed to have a connection to this forum through

this time. It has helped me to maintain my shaky faith in times of

fear.

 

Blessings all,

 

prainbow

 

 

 

, James Rutke <jrutke@e...>

wrote:

> She may be playing hide and seek!

> Prem

>

> sankara menon wrote:

>

> > but........... for Devi does the fact that mercury is retrograde

or

> > in acceleration or direct or in stambhan matter? (Please do not

think

> > I am being offensive; I am not) I am just saying that for a Devi

> > upasaka what SHE wills is what matters.

> > If only prainbow were to read khadgamala...........

> >

> > James Rutke <jrutke@e...> wrote:

> > Beloveds,

> > Some help for Prainbow: Mercury is going retrograde now and so it

may

> > take until the end of the month for you to get the answer you

need to

> > your applications. Then look to May 5 or shortly after for a

positive

> > decision perhaps involving travel when Jupiter goes direct.

> > Thank you so much Devi Bhakta for the great work on Khadgamala.

> > Her blessings,

> > Sw. Prem Vedarthi

> >

> > Devi Bhakta wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Prainbow:

> > >

> > >

> > > You noted *** I think I'm feeling a little lost in this

unemployment

> >

> > > thing and I just want to feel like I'm being heard. ***

> > >

> > > Understandable. Sorry to hear that things are still dangling.

Let's

> > > keep praying for a quick and satisfactory resolution -- that

means

> > > anyone who's happened to open and read this post. Will you help?

> > > Aum Maatangyai Namahe

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > I

> > > > > just got busy doing what you suggested about looking within

and

> > > > > forgot to mention how much I appreciated what you wrote

> > > > >

> > > > > Mary Ann

> > > > >

> > > > > , Brianna Mosteller

> > > > > <rubyrapunzel> wrote:

> > > > > > Om Namah Shivayah,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I did read it, Prainbow. Sorry for not responding,

> > > > > > it's definately a response-worthy topic. The last

> > > > > > paragraph of your post was most meaningful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > shanti shanti shanti

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pranams,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Brianna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Hey,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > did anybody even read this? Because I'm thinking

> > > > > > > that maybe my posts

> > > > > > > are just too long or too boring to even respond to.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Gentle feedback is welcome.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prainbow

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "prainbow61"

> > > > > > > <paulie-

> > > > > > > rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Peace to all. This is quite a hot topic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And it should be really. Many people have been

> > > > > > > killed in the name

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > religion, and also in the names of other things

> > > > > > > that seem to sort

> > > > > > > > people into "us" and "them." The age of genocide

> > > > > > > is still with us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I was recently watching programs about the 10 year

> > > > > > > anniversary of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > genocide in Rwanda, where, over the period of 100

> > > > > > > days 800,000

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > were slaughtered. One program showed that a Nazi

> > > > > > > Holocaust survivor

> > > > > > > > makes trips to various schools to talk about his

> > > > > > > experience. He

> > > > > > > spoke

> > > > > > > > at a school attended by a woman who was 9 when she

> > > > > > > survived the

> > > > > > > > genocide in Rwanda. She contacted him. Now they

> > > > > > > speak to schools

> > > > > > > > together. In this way they demonstrate through

> > > > > > > personal experience

> > > > > > > > that genocide is not limited to one historical

> > > > > > > period or one group

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > people, or one anything. This is a part of human

> > > > > > > history and it is

> > > > > > > > important for us to grapple with it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It's a very hot topic. How much passion must there

> > > > > > > be in us for

> > > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > things to take place? How much shame must there be

> > > > > > > in us for us to

> > > > > > > > deny that we contain this potential? I see it as

> > > > > > > quite a problem, a

> > > > > > > > spiritual problem.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I personally believe that Fundamentalism in any

> > > > > > > form by any

> > > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > group plays into this problem and worsens

> > > > > > > relations between groups.

> > > > > > > > Evangelism also seems to be a potential source of

> > > > > > > the worst kind of

> > > > > > > > attitude and treatment of others. I'm sure there

> > > > > > > are many other

> > > > > > > > causes or symptoms or factors as much genocide

> > > > > > > takes place on basis

> > > > > > > > of tribal or racial differences. But even then, I

> > > > > > > frequently see

> > > > > > > > religion lurking in the background.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For example, today the Belgian Defence Minister

> > > > > > > Andre Flahaut is in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > lot of hot water for accusing the U.S. of the

> > > > > > > worst genocide in

> > > > > > > > modern times for the extermination of native

> > > > > > > Americans, in what is

> > > > > > > > today the US, which has claimed 15 million lives.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The article on that is here:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?

> > > > > > > > subchannel_id=48&story_id=6502

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now, that would seem to be race and class based,

> > > > > > > yet I know that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > European immigrants saw the natives as "Godless

> > > > > > > Savages" and that

> > > > > > > > much of what happened has been justified with

> > > > > > > religious terms.

> > > > > > > > Christian religious terms.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no "other" to be blamed. It's easy to

> > > > > > > distract ourselves

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > pointing fingers at Christians and then Hindus,

> > > > > > > then white

> > > > > > > > supremists, then at tribal warlords. But we cannot

> > > > > > > examine these

> > > > > > > > crimes with an eye to blame, but with a sincere

> > > > > > > desire to

> > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > what it is that drives these things forward and

> > > > > > > how can that be

> > > > > > > > excised or otherwise addressed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We kill. We kill each other. I think we should try

> > > > > > > and figure out

> > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > and then try to fix that. In ourselves.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Blessings,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prainbow

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "Arjuna

> > > > > > > Taradasa"

> > > > > > > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > 93

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > "childofdevi"

> > > > > > > > > <childofdevi> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Not one Nayanar but there were several

> > > > > > > Nayanars who were

> > > > > > > > > responsible; but if you read the story

> > > > > > > carefully, ordinary jainas

> > > > > > > > > were not tormented; it was only the vile and

> > > > > > > cruel jainas ( what

> > > > > > > > > about jaina ahimsa LOL) who indulged in black

> > > > > > > magic and violence

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > were killed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is not different from medieval christians

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > killed "witches".

> > > > > > > > > Same thing.

> > > > > > > > > BTW there are some other "holy" deeds of those

> > > > > > > nayanars, read the

> > > > > > > > > stories :-)...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Cmon, "several" is still in the single digit

> > > > > > > LOL; no way does

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > compare with the millions of Hindus

> > > > > > > slaughtered

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I'm doubtful about "millions"... Anyway the

> > > > > > > reason is simple:

> > > > > > > hindu

> > > > > > > > > had no military power to do so. Otherwise

> > > > > > > definitely situation

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > have been opposite. Hindus did kill many

> > > > > > > muslims, didn't they?

> > > > > > > > > About killing of lingayatas U keep quiet... The

> > > > > > > fact BTW is that

> > > > > > > > > Basavanna married a couple who loved each other

> > > > > > > but that marriage

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > against caste rules. So "righteous" hindus

> > > > > > > killed them :-(.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > nor the systematic

> > > > > > > > > > and covert conversion of Hindus(Catholic

> > > > > > > priests in Ceylon for

> > > > > > > > > > instance made the Hindu students spit at their

> > > > > > > deities; no

> > > > > > > Hindu

> > > > > > > > > > teacher would ever make a Christian spit at

> > > > > > > Christ)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is true. Hindus are so proud of themeselves

> > > > > > > that they do not

> > > > > > > > > allow others to convert into hinduism :-(. One

> > > > > > > example i've given

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > previous posting. Now, thanx to God, situation

> > > > > > > is slowly

> > > > > > > > improving...

> > > > > > > > > About those catholic priests U mentioned - that

> > > > > > > is thier own

> > > > > > > > > stupidity, not prescription of the Church.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A 1000 years of Muslim rule and almost 300

> > > > > > > years of British

> > > > > > > > > Christian rule and still HInduism is alive today

> > > > > > > as it was 5000

> > > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > ago

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Not at all "as it was ago". Plz be more

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Kochu where he predicted that prainbow would get a job in 2 weeks,

and it is around that time).

 

Now I know who to go to when i am troubled LOL.

 

BTW Congrats Paulie!!!

 

-yogaman

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! three

cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Champagne all round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote:Namaste!

>

> Ah, yes, well I am working on the khadgamala process. Mercury being

> in retrograde and all, I might not be communicating my intents

> clearly enough. However, since Devi is Mercury and all of the other

> planets, perhaps She is in retrograde and well, no, that doesn't

make

> sense to me... never mind.

>

> However! Good news good news! Devi has found me a job! Yes, those

> folks who had been promising me that I might have a job have come

> through. I start work on Wednesday! Yea!

>

> Thank you all for all of your thoughts and prayers throughout this

> time. I am so grateful to you and to the Goddess Herself who has

> provided for me throughout this time. I hope that I do my work well

> in this capacity and try to remember that the only real job that I

> have is to serve Her, though the form that that work takes is

always

> changing and representing itself to me.

>

> Truly I have felt blessed to have a connection to this forum

through

> this time. It has helped me to maintain my shaky faith in times of

> fear.

>

> Blessings all,

>

> prainbow

>

>

>

> , James Rutke <jrutke@e...>

> wrote:

> > She may be playing hide and seek!

> > Prem

> >

> > sankara menon wrote:

> >

> > > but........... for Devi does the fact that mercury is

retrograde

> or

> > > in acceleration or direct or in stambhan matter? (Please do

not

> think

> > > I am being offensive; I am not) I am just saying that for a Devi

> > > upasaka what SHE wills is what matters.

> > > If only prainbow were to read khadgamala...........

> > >

> > > James Rutke <jrutke@e...> wrote:

> > > Beloveds,

> > > Some help for Prainbow: Mercury is going retrograde now and so

it

> may

> > > take until the end of the month for you to get the answer you

> need to

> > > your applications. Then look to May 5 or shortly after for a

> positive

> > > decision perhaps involving travel when Jupiter goes direct.

> > > Thank you so much Devi Bhakta for the great work on Khadgamala.

> > > Her blessings,

> > > Sw. Prem Vedarthi

> > >

> > > Devi Bhakta wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi Prainbow:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > You noted *** I think I'm feeling a little lost in this

> unemployment

> > >

> > > > thing and I just want to feel like I'm being heard. ***

> > > >

> > > > Understandable. Sorry to hear that things are still dangling.

> Let's

> > > > keep praying for a quick and satisfactory resolution -- that

> means

> > > > anyone who's happened to open and read this post. Will you

help?

> > > > Aum Maatangyai Namahe

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I

> > > > > > just got busy doing what you suggested about looking

within

> and

> > > > > > forgot to mention how much I appreciated what you wrote

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mary Ann

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Brianna Mosteller

> > > > > > <rubyrapunzel> wrote:

> > > > > > > Om Namah Shivayah,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I did read it, Prainbow. Sorry for not responding,

> > > > > > > it's definately a response-worthy topic. The last

> > > > > > > paragraph of your post was most meaningful.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > shanti shanti shanti

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pranams,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Brianna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Hey,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > did anybody even read this? Because I'm thinking

> > > > > > > > that maybe my posts

> > > > > > > > are just too long or too boring to even respond to.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Gentle feedback is welcome.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prainbow

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "prainbow61"

> > > > > > > > <paulie-

> > > > > > > > rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Peace to all. This is quite a hot topic.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And it should be really. Many people have been

> > > > > > > > killed in the name

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > religion, and also in the names of other things

> > > > > > > > that seem to sort

> > > > > > > > > people into "us" and "them." The age of genocide

> > > > > > > > is still with us.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I was recently watching programs about the 10 year

> > > > > > > > anniversary of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > genocide in Rwanda, where, over the period of 100

> > > > > > > > days 800,000

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > were slaughtered. One program showed that a Nazi

> > > > > > > > Holocaust survivor

> > > > > > > > > makes trips to various schools to talk about his

> > > > > > > > experience. He

> > > > > > > > spoke

> > > > > > > > > at a school attended by a woman who was 9 when she

> > > > > > > > survived the

> > > > > > > > > genocide in Rwanda. She contacted him. Now they

> > > > > > > > speak to schools

> > > > > > > > > together. In this way they demonstrate through

> > > > > > > > personal experience

> > > > > > > > > that genocide is not limited to one historical

> > > > > > > > period or one group

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > people, or one anything. This is a part of human

> > > > > > > > history and it is

> > > > > > > > > important for us to grapple with it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It's a very hot topic. How much passion must there

> > > > > > > > be in us for

> > > > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > > things to take place? How much shame must there be

> > > > > > > > in us for us to

> > > > > > > > > deny that we contain this potential? I see it as

> > > > > > > > quite a problem, a

> > > > > > > > > spiritual problem.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I personally believe that Fundamentalism in any

> > > > > > > > form by any

> > > > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > > group plays into this problem and worsens

> > > > > > > > relations between groups.

> > > > > > > > > Evangelism also seems to be a potential source of

> > > > > > > > the worst kind of

> > > > > > > > > attitude and treatment of others. I'm sure there

> > > > > > > > are many other

> > > > > > > > > causes or symptoms or factors as much genocide

> > > > > > > > takes place on basis

> > > > > > > > > of tribal or racial differences. But even then, I

> > > > > > > > frequently see

> > > > > > > > > religion lurking in the background.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For example, today the Belgian Defence Minister

> > > > > > > > Andre Flahaut is in

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > lot of hot water for accusing the U.S. of the

> > > > > > > > worst genocide in

> > > > > > > > > modern times for the extermination of native

> > > > > > > > Americans, in what is

> > > > > > > > > today the US, which has claimed 15 million lives.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The article on that is here:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?

> > > > > > > > > subchannel_id=48&story_id=6502

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now, that would seem to be race and class based,

> > > > > > > > yet I know that

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > European immigrants saw the natives as "Godless

> > > > > > > > Savages" and that

> > > > > > > > > much of what happened has been justified with

> > > > > > > > religious terms.

> > > > > > > > > Christian religious terms.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is no "other" to be blamed. It's easy to

> > > > > > > > distract ourselves

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > pointing fingers at Christians and then Hindus,

> > > > > > > > then white

> > > > > > > > > supremists, then at tribal warlords. But we cannot

> > > > > > > > examine these

> > > > > > > > > crimes with an eye to blame, but with a sincere

> > > > > > > > desire to

> > > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > what it is that drives these things forward and

> > > > > > > > how can that be

> > > > > > > > > excised or otherwise addressed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We kill. We kill each other. I think we should try

> > > > > > > > and figure out

> > > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > and then try to fix that. In ourselves.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Blessings,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prainbow

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , "Arjuna

> > > > > > > > Taradasa"

> > > > > > > > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > 93

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > "childofdevi"

> > > > > > > > > > <childofdevi> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Not one Nayanar but there were several

> > > > > > > > Nayanars who were

> > > > > > > > > > responsible; but if you read the story

> > > > > > > > carefully, ordinary jainas

> > > > > > > > > > were not tormented; it was only the vile and

> > > > > > > > cruel jainas ( what

> > > > > > > > > > about jaina ahimsa LOL) who indulged in black

> > > > > > > > magic and violence

> > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > were killed.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is not different from medieval christians

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > killed "witches".

> > > > > > > > > > Same thing.

> > > > > > > > > > BTW there are some other "holy" deeds of those

> > > > > > > > nayanars, read the

> > > > > > > > > > stories :-)...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Cmon, "several" is still in the single digit

> > > > > > > > LOL; no way does

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > compare with the millions of Hindus

> > > > > > > > slaughtered

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I'm doubtful about "millions"... Anyway the

> > > > > > > > reason is simple:

> > > > > > > > hindu

> > > > > > > > > > had no military power to do so. Otherwise

> > > > > > > > definitely situation

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > have been opposite. Hindus did kill many

> > > > > > > > muslims, didn't they?

> > > > > > > > > > About killing of lingayatas U keep quiet... The

> > > > > > > > fact BTW is that

> > > > > > > > > > Basavanna married a couple who loved each other

> > > > > > > > but that marriage

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > against caste rules. So "righteous" hindus

> > > > > > > > killed them :-(.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > nor the systematic

> > > > > > > > > > > and covert conversion of Hindus(Catholic

> > > > > > > > priests in Ceylon for

> > > > > > > > > > > instance made the Hindu students spit at their

> > > > > > > > deities; no

> > > > > > > > Hindu

> > > > > > > > > > > teacher would ever make a Christian spit at

> > > > > > > > Christ)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is true. Hindus are so proud of themeselves

> > > > > > > > that they do not

> > > > > > > > > > allow others to convert into hinduism :-(. One

> > > > > > > > example i've given

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > previous posting. Now, thanx to God, situation

> > > > > > > > is slowly

> > > > > > > > > improving...

> > > > > > > > > > About those catholic priests U mentioned - that

> > > > > > > > is thier own

> > > > > > > > > > stupidity, not prescription of the Church.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A 1000 years of Muslim rule and almost 300

> > > > > > > > years of British

> > > > > > > > > > Christian rule and still HInduism is alive today

> > > > > > > > as it was 5000

> > > > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > ago

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Not at all "as it was ago". Plz be more

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yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! three

cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Champagne all round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

Argh !! Where is my Champagne. Who took mine !