The Lucknow Disease and other non-dual illnesses

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On 7/3/02 at 10:47 PM Wim Borsboom wrote:

 

ºJan, hoi!

º

ºYou wrote:

º> The painted cucumber may look like a banana,

º> but the proof is in the eating and cucumbers aren't cannibals ;-)

º

ºI am getting a rather contorted picture here:

ºA cucumber bending its ways to paint itself to look like a banana, and then

ºcalling itself a banana...

 

No it's taking a yellow paint bath.

 

ºThe cucumber then eating itself from the other end to check and prove it's

ºbanana nature...

 

Yes, what would the taste be but itself, whatever the labels/coordinates given?

º

ºOh... but hold it now,

ºcannibals are not beings who eat themselves

ºnor do they eat each other... they eat someone else

 

Then meet the first nondual cucumber! ;-)

º

ºkwamkwammer sloeg, als je 't mij vraagt :-))))

 

No, a matter of being "home" with metaphors

º

ºWim

ºAre Dutch people weird or what?

 

Something you know best - (as with Belgian nationality, i only know the jokes

;-))

 

Jan

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Question, "What is the singular opposite of that?"

Answer, "A rake with his head u. . ...."

This can go on for a while, becoming rather raucous, naughtier and

naughtier...

Heineken beer may flow freely...

Wim...

(Weird? Yep!)

Weird? Hardly! Seems perfectly natural after enjoying some Orangeboom!

I have Dutch friends...they are wonderful. Not sane, per se, you

understand, but that is part of the wonder thing.

Once one can appreciate that the Dutch live in the Netherlands, but

that their homeland is Holland, it all becomes clear.

Love,

Zenbob

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Hi Jan,

Allez zulle... Voruut achteruut!!!

Jan, I may be one of a few Dutch people who love and appreciate the Flemish.

I spend quite a few vacations there in all seasons, Mechelen, Kortrijk,

Gent, Brugge, Antwerpen, De Ardennen. Who was that Flemish singer

again...hmmm... Wannus van de Velde ??? met "Mijn Beste..."

Wim

Jaques Brel?

He was Flemmish. Or was he a Walloon?

Zenbob

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, Wim Borsboom <wim@a...> wrote:

>Well I gave it my best, but also here thinking wasn't of too much

help...)

 

 

..... it's good for certain things, things i can't really think of

just now.

oh, maybe for translating Dutch sayings, for example.

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

[Guest guest]

, Wim Borsboom <wim@a...> wrote:

 

Too much thinking...

 

....think nothing of it!

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

[Guest guest]

, Wim Borsboom <wim@a...> wrote:

 

>Is there a path?

I don't see a path!

Do you see a path?

 

Who needs a path anyway...!

 

 

 

....Oh, there's one now!

 

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

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Hi Maggie

> Just curious!

Maybe you should not have been :-)

 

There is this joke in Dutch, it goes, "What is the past tense of 'komkommer

sla' "?

Answer, "Kwamkwammer sloeg"

"Komkommer sla" is a kind of lettuce (sla) dish with cucumber (komkommer)

The words "kom" and "sla" are also verbs, the past tense of those words are

"kwam" and "sloeg"...

For one reason or another such a joke drives Dutch people to hilarious

insanity.

 

To compare, consider a word play conversation like the following:

Question, "What is the plural of a big hamburger?"

Answer, "Burghers with big hams"

Question, "What is the female gender of that?"

Answer: "Fat damsels with their pants down."

Question, "What is the singular opposite of that?"

Answer, "A rake with his head u. . ...."

 

This can go on for a while, becoming rather raucous, naughtier and

naughtier...

Heineken beer may flow freely...

 

Wim...

(Weird? Yep!)

 

 

 

 

 

chezahmed [chezahmed]

Thursday, July 04, 2002 5:57 AM

Re: The Lucknow Disease and other non-dual

illnesses

 

 

, Wim Borsboom <wim@a...> wrote:

>

> kwamkwammer sloeg, als je 't mij vraagt :-))))

>

> Wim

> Are Dutch people weird or what?

 

Maggie's response:

 

Hi Wim. I was wondering, does either the word "kwamkwammer" or the

word "sloeg" mean "Dutch people"?

 

Just curious!

 

 

 

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All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

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, "AnneChris" <am009a8716@b...> wrote:

>Life just

seemed...

easier, somehow, as soon as I stopped thinking.

 

 

 

.....Funny, yes, thank you!

 

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

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Hi Jan,

 

Allez zulle... Voruut achteruut!!!

 

Jan, I may be one of a few Dutch people who love and appreciate the Flemish.

I spend quite a few vacations there in all seasons, Mechelen, Kortrijk,

Gent, Brugge, Antwerpen, De Ardennen. Who was that Flemish singer

again...hmmm... Wannus van de Velde ??? met "Mijn Beste..."

 

Wim

 

 

 

ecirada [janb]

Thursday, July 04, 2002 6:32 AM

RE: Re: The Lucknow Disease and other non-dual

illnesses

 

 

On 7/3/02 at 10:47 PM Wim Borsboom wrote:

 

:Jan, hoi!

:

:You wrote:

:> The painted cucumber may look like a banana,

:> but the proof is in the eating and cucumbers aren't cannibals ;-)

:

:I am getting a rather contorted picture here:

:A cucumber bending its ways to paint itself to look like a banana, and then

:calling itself a banana...

 

No it's taking a yellow paint bath.

 

:The cucumber then eating itself from the other end to check and prove it's

:banana nature...

 

Yes, what would the taste be but itself, whatever the labels/coordinates

given?

:

:Oh... but hold it now,

:cannibals are not beings who eat themselves

:nor do they eat each other... they eat someone else

 

Then meet the first nondual cucumber! ;-)

:

:kwamkwammer sloeg, als je 't mij vraagt :-))))

 

No, a matter of being "home" with metaphors

:

:Wim

:Are Dutch people weird or what?

 

Something you know best - (as with Belgian nationality, i only know the

jokes ;-))

 

Jan

 

 

 

 

/join

 

 

 

 

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

 

 

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On 7/4/02 at 9:59 AM Wim Borsboom wrote:

 

ºHi Jan,

º

ºAllez zulle... Voruut achteruut!!!

 

Even in the South of (Dutch) Limburg i couldn't understand the dialect.

That was a laugh as often, when faced with it, i asked "do you speak English,

German or French?"

and that wasn't always appreciated ;-)

º

ºJan, I may be one of a few Dutch people who love and appreciate the

ºFlemish.

 

I would be rather careful with the term "Flemish" or any other nationality.

As the Dutch system of tax discriminated those living in Belgium a bit too much,

that didn't leave any choice but to get another passport ;-)

As to no surprise, the Dutch discriminating laws were changed after that.

I cannot possibly identify with nationality hence it is utilitarian but i

appreciate all jokes on it and contributed a few of on the Dutch as well :-)..

 

ºI spend quite a few vacations there in all seasons, Mechelen, Kortrijk,

ºGent, Brugge, Antwerpen, De Ardennen. Who was that Flemish singer

ºagain...hmmm... Wannus van de Velde ??? met "Mijn Beste..."

 

I was living in a village called Lanklaar, very rural, woods, moors,

car free paths along the canals, ideal for running and hiking...

Without the rejection of the cornea transplant i would still have been

living there and would have used the Internet only at work, for work..

Apart from Herman Brood, i don't know any artist singing in Dutch.

About Herman Brood there were many jokes, that's why i know the name...

 

btw, here's a little Dutch pun:

"Als de ijsberen vlooien, ijsberen de vlooien

In kippenhokken hokken kippen en in duiventillen tillen duiven"

 

Jan

º

ºWim

º

º

º

ºecirada [janb]

ºThursday, July 04, 2002 6:32 AM

º

ºRE: Re: The Lucknow Disease and other non-dual

ºillnesses

º

º

ºOn 7/3/02 at 10:47 PM Wim Borsboom wrote:

º

º:Jan, hoi!

º:

º:You wrote:

º:> The painted cucumber may look like a banana,

º:> but the proof is in the eating and cucumbers aren't cannibals ;-)

º:

º:I am getting a rather contorted picture here:

º:A cucumber bending its ways to paint itself to look like a banana, and

ºthen

º:calling itself a banana...

º

ºNo it's taking a yellow paint bath.

º

º:The cucumber then eating itself from the other end to check and prove it's

º:banana nature...

º

ºYes, what would the taste be but itself, whatever the labels/coordinates

ºgiven?

º:

º:Oh... but hold it now,

º:cannibals are not beings who eat themselves

º:nor do they eat each other... they eat someone else

º

ºThen meet the first nondual cucumber! ;-)

º:

º:kwamkwammer sloeg, als je 't mij vraagt :-))))

º

ºNo, a matter of being "home" with metaphors

º:

º:Wim

º:Are Dutch people weird or what?

º

ºSomething you know best - (as with Belgian nationality, i only know the

ºjokes ;-))

º

ºJan

º

º

º

º

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ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

ºback into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

ºthe ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

ºAwareness.

ºAwareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

ºwhere the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

ºBeing. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge,

ºspontaneously

ºarising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

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ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.

ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome

ºall to a.

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Neat German, Zenbob,

Let's not forget our multi-nationality...

The coloured facets from the one light.

Wim

zen2wrk (AT) aol (DOT) com

[zen2wrk (AT) aol (DOT) com]Thursday, July 04, 2002 10:32 AMTo:

Subject: Re: Re: The

Lucknow Disease and other non-dual illnessesIn a message dated 7/3/02

4:01:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, janb (AT) mail (DOT) infocanarias.com writes:

Als een komkommer zich geel verft mag hij zich banaan noemen nietwaar?

(If a cucumber paints itself yellow it might call itself banana isn't

it?) Ja, und veilleicht, diese komkommer en einen ewig zeit, will

anfarben gruen vorvanden nicht so einen falsche banaaner, aber einen

verbesserung Komkommer, nicht wahr? (Yes, and perhaps this cucumber,

in a bit of time, will paint itself to appear green, so not to appear

as a false banana, but as a reformed cucumber, -- isn't that so?)

Excuse the rough German. My Dutch is even worse. Blessings, Zenbob

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All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject

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Hi Zenbob,

 

It must be hard for non Dutch people to fathom that as you say> the

Dutch live in the Netherlands, but that their homeland is Holland ...

 

and that they have a hard time speaking double dutch, all that on

wooden shoes that only have an historical reality.

Oh, and about that finger in the dike... that did not really happen...

 

Wim

[Guest guest]

Jacques Brel was Walloon, but we loved him too...

Wim

zen2wrk (AT) aol (DOT) com

[zen2wrk (AT) aol (DOT) com]Thursday, July 04, 2002 11:37 AMTo:

Subject: Re: Re: The

Lucknow Disease and other non-dual illnessesIn a message dated 7/4/02

10:04:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wim (AT) aurasphere (DOT) org writes:

Hi Jan, Allez zulle... Voruut achteruut!!! Jan, I may be one of a few

Dutch people who love and appreciate the Flemish. I spend quite a few

vacations there in all seasons, Mechelen, Kortrijk, Gent, Brugge,

Antwerpen, De Ardennen. Who was that Flemish singer again...hmmm...

Wannus van de Velde ??? met "Mijn Beste..." Wim Jaques Brel? He was

Flemmish. Or was he a Walloon? Zenbob

/join

All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject

to the

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Oh, and about that finger in the dike... that did not really happen...

Wim

Hi Wm:

Really? I have this painting by Van Gogh that clearly (actually, it

is very dark and almost impossible to discern) shows a Dutch waif

sticking their finger in something, and a large pond or maybe it is

just a wet floor, and a dam or maybe it is just a brick wall with

chickens and a man smoking a long pipe. I thought this proved the

truth of this story of the boy and the dike.

Well, another sacred belief just ripped apart!

Blessings,

Love,

Zenbob

[Guest guest]

Love,

Zenbob

[Guest guest]

Thank you Robert,

This, " Fwd: Making fun of Advaita" goes into the

folder... The Lucknow Disease and other non-dual illnesses...

This is not meant to make fun of it... of course not... It reminds me

too well of a certain mental dysfunction I one time displayed from

such "thinking"...

Actually, come to think of it , "thinking" is a mental dysfunction...

Oops maybe this, what I just said, is a symptom of that "The Lucknow Disease" as well.

Wim

Robert O'Hearn

[hrtbeat7 ]Friday, July 12, 2002 9:05 AMTo:

Subject: Fwd: Making

fun of Advaita

a friend of Robert's wrote:

THE ABIDING FORMULA - The injunction to answer all questions with

"Don't go into your STORY, just abide in the SELF." Any question that

can't be simply anwered with this formula is dismissed as intellectual

mind stuff or mere involvement in one's personal story (MAYA).

Everything is very simple, and it you don't think so, you are just

caught up in the mind!

THE SILENCE COMPETITION - Contest to see who can stay silent longer

than the other. The person who speaks first still has a personal

story they are caught up in, and are therefore no longer abiding in

the Self. THE VULCAN COMPLEX - The importance of keeping your voice

tone very soft and even. Never show emotion or passion. Whoever

shows a trace of care or concern for anything is still attached and

caught up in more personal Story. THE PAPAJI PEDESTAL - It is

admitted that all beings are in reality the Self, and not their

personal identity. On the level of the Self, we are all the same and

all equal. The Self is not thought to have any unique qualities

differing from one person to the other. The particular body and

personality of the individual is considered incidental.

Paradoxically, the bodymind individual of Papaji is very special and

worthy of great admiration and devotion (but just don't call it

devotion). As George Orwell said, "We are all equal, but some are

more equal than others". RED LIGHT GREEN LIGHT - This is the

contradiction of advising that we don't need to have a teacher and we

don't need to come to Satsang. All we need is to stop everything and

just remain in Silence and Abide in the Self. There is nothing to

"get" at Satsang. At the same time one is encouraged to support the

teacher and the Satsang. DISSAPPEARING PERSONALITY TRICK - Now you

see it, now you don't. This is the amazing ability of the Advaitan to

have their personality absorbed in the Self at any convenient moment.

When this occurrs, they remain aloof and impersonal. Don't invite

them to dinner when this is occurring. And definately don't ask them

anything personal. "Who is hungry?".

These can apply at times to both the teachers and students of the

Papaji lineage of Advaita. All of this is to be taken with a grain of

salt. It is just enjoyable to make fun of things. You could say that

there is a dark side to everything, including the formal

Enlightenment paths. Show me the person who doesn't have a shadow,

and I will show you a person who doesn't stand in the sun very often.

 

LoveAlways -- Mazie & b

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All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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AnneChris send this to us a little while, I thought (ouch, a brain spasm) it

was worth repeating:

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With tongue in cheek I offer this not my own words but having gone through

the process of AA I can laugh at my self and not get too serious.

THAT will get me when im "cooked" regardless of my little posturings.

Love Chris

 

It started out innocently enough. I began to think at parties now and then

to

loosen up. Inevitably though, one thought led to another, and soon I was

more

than just a social thinker.

I began to think alone - "to relax," I told myself - but I knew it wasn't

true. Thinking became more and more important to me, and finally I was

thinking all the time.

I began to think on the job. I knew that thinking and employment don't mix,

but I couldn't stop myself. I began to avoid friends at lunchtime so I could

read Thoreau and Kafka. I would return to the office dizzied and confused,

asking, "What is it exactly we are doing here?"

 

Things weren't going so great at home either. One evening I had turned off

the TV and asked my wife about the meaning of life. She spent that night at

her mother's.

 

I soon had a reputation as a heavy thinker. One day the boss called me in.

He said, "Skippy, I like you, and it hurts me to say this, but your thinking

has become a real problem. If you don't stop thinking on the job, you'll

have

to find another job." This gave me a lot to think about.

 

I came home early after my conversation with the boss. "Honey," I confessed,

"I've been thinking...I know you've been thinking," she said, "and

I want

a

divorce!"

 

"But Honey, surely it's not that serious.It is serious," she said, lower

lip aquiver. "You think as much as college professors, and college

professors

don't make any money, so if you keep on thinking we won't have any money!"

 

"That's a faulty syllogism," I said impatiently, and she began to cry. I'd

had

enough. "I'm going to the library," I snarled as I stomped out the door. I

headed for the library, in the mood for some Nietzsche, with NPR on the

radio.

I roared into the parking lot and ran up to the big glass doors... they

didn't

open. The library was closed.

 

To this day, I believe that a Higher Power was looking out for me that

night.

As I sank to the ground clawing at the unfeeling glass, whimpering for

Zarathustra, a poster caught my eye. "Friend, is heavy thinking ruining

your

life?" it asked. You probably recognize that line. It comes from the

standard

Thinker's Anonymous poster. Which is why I am what I am today: a recovering

thinker. I never miss a TA meeting. At each meeting we watch a non-

educational video; last week it was "Porky's." Then we share experiences

about how we avoided thinking since the last meeting.

 

I still have my job, and things are a lot better at home. Life just

seemed...

easier, somehow, as soon as I stopped thinking.

 

ANON

 

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