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Theist ji, Narada Muni has only one form and that is his spiritual form. Because he is a pure unalloyed devotee of Krishna, he is spiritual. Hare Krishna!

The fall can be conceptualised by the fact that the eternally conditioned living-entities did not realize that they were with Krishna between the destruction and creation of the material world. Of course, because they did not realize they are said to be in the tatastha-region as the realisation is sometimes present and sometimes not. For a purely Krishna-conscious person regardless of whether s/he is physically present either in the material or spiritual world, s/he is always established in pure Krishna-consciousness and hence no "falldown" as such. Hope I have'nt confused.. Hare Krishna!

Hare Krishna! You have given the example of Rainbow. But, I guess you do know that the rainbow is formed when the light is refracted from the drop of water which has one colour ;-) so, when we understand the person behind the cosmic creation we know that He is singular! Hare Krishna!

As you mentioned in the earlier era the memory and spiritual consciousness was so much that the books were not required. In this era, people have to use books etc. as memory is very bad. Hare Krishna!

I thought you said that no books are required

Hello Kimflex, If you feel that there is not even 0.1 % of Srimad-Bhagavatam that you cannot believe then probably you require more time to come to the path of bhakti. But, if you have at least that 0.1% of faith, then you should continue reading and slowly everything will be revealed to you... Of course, associating with senior devotees will also help a lot! Good luck!

Xexon, Try to understand that God is unlimited and He knows about everything. Can we claim to know that we know what is happening in each and every nook and corner of the universe? Hare Krishna!

Xexon, I appreciate that you are going on the spiritual path. But, spiritual path does not end at the realisation of all inclusive Brahman realisation. It also has to offer the localised Paramaatma realisation (presence of Krishna in the heart of all the living entities) and the Bhagavan realisation (understanding that Krishna is indeed the Supreme Person). Even the person who first made the Impersonal philosophy popular, Adi Shankaraacharya, admits that "Narayana Parah Avyaktaat" that Naarayana is transcendental and cannot be known by the blunt material senses. So, please be open to Personalism! Hare Krishna!

Very well said Beggar Ji. How can a drop of ocean claim that it is the whole ocean?

Dark Warrior, Very well said. Krishna Himself confirms this when Krishna says that the people whose minds are attached to the path of impersonalism (Avyakta-aasakta chetasah) tread an exceedingly difficult path (Klesho Adhikaras Teshaam). Hare Krishna!

JustRish, The very fact that you are open to the idea of existence of a Creator means that you are a Theist. That is my honest opinion. Regarding interference of Krishna, there is not need for Him to personally interfere but because He wants to give His association to His pure devotees and increase the devotional sentiment among the Theists He Himself descends (Avatara) to the material world. That's what the famous verse "Yadaa Yadaa Hy Dharmasya..." mentions. As stated by Krishna: yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata abhyutthanam adharmasya tadatmanam srjamy aham Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion--at that time I descend Myself. paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam dharma-samsthapanarthaya sambhavami yuge yuge In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I advent Myself millennium after millennium. - BG 4.7-8 (http://www.asitis.com/4/7.html http://www.asitis.com/4/8.html) Hare Krishna!

Thanks a lot Dark Warrior, for giving the Sri Vaishnava point of view on this topic. It's indeed good to know this. Hare Krishna!

My dear LoveroftheBhagavata, I am not arguing at all and, I don't want to say to anyone that they are deluding themselves, as you stated.. If I say that Srila Prabhupada's rendition is authoritative it does not mean that other's coming in disciplic succession is not authoritative. There is no doubt that Ramanujacharya, Madhvacharya and Shridhara Swami - All of them are equally authoritative as well because they are in the proper disciplic succession(Evam Parampara Praaptam). As stated by Krishna: [ evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh sa kaleneha mahata yogo nastah parantapa This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost. - BG 4.2 - http://www.asitis.com/4/2.html ] Wish you all the best wishes in your spiritual path. Hare Krishna!

LoveroftheBhagavata, I do not use my conditioned mind and brain to interpret the shastra because if I do there is no meaning and use of my statements. I'm basing this on Srila Prabhupada's translation. I'm sure that He is an etenally liberated person and therefore his translation will give the original transcendental meaning.. Sure there is no need to argue. The only need is to try to understand Krishna and His devotees and get engrossed in appreciating their magnificent activities! Hare Krishna!