Kali Chela Hunter

O Vaishnava, you are an ocean of mercy. Please shower your compassion upon me. Give me the shade of your lotus feet and purify my polluted heart. I am following you, begging-Sri Krishna is yours-you have the power-give him to me! O Vaishnava where are you?

“Is the chanting of Hare Krsna the answer to living successfully in today’s world?” Srila Prabhupada: Oh, that is the only successful living in this, today’s world. So long people do not understand it, they are still in the darkness. I suppose I should seek out a self appointed guru to enlighten that statement for me

you obviously like to be cheated! it seems you like to laugh too at others,ideal fodder for the cheaters

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Of course, to search out a guru is very nice, but if you want a cheap guru, or if you want to be cheated, then you will find many cheating gurus. But if you are sincere, you will find a sincere guru. Because people want everything very cheaply, they are cheated. We ask our students to refrain from illicit sex, meat-eating, gambling, and intoxication. People think that this is all very difficult,a botheration. But if someone else says, "You may do whatever nonsense you like, simply take my mantra," then people will like him. The point is that people want to be cheated, and therefore cheaters come. No one wants to undergo any austerity. Human life is meant for austerity, but no one is prepared to undergo austerity. Consequently, cheaters come and say, "No austerity. Whatever you like, you do. Simply pay me, and I'll give you some mantra, and you'll become God in six months." All this is going on. If you want to be cheated like this, the cheaters will come.

Again point proven!

Well theres your answer,it is this kind of attitude that breeds and fosters "self appointed gurus"

Such wonderful things are going on in that blissful marketplace! Sri Nityananda Prabhu is selling the pure Holy Name wholesale, merely for the price of ones faith.No currency needed,nothing else to buy!

From Bhaktivedanta Vedabase: Sri Caitanya Caritamrta Ādi 8.31 Purport For an ordinary man, worship of Sri Caitanya and Nityananda Prabhu or the Panca Tattva is easier than worship of Radha and Krsna. Therefore one must first take shelter of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu by chanting jaya shri-krishna-chaitanya, prabhu-nityananda shri-advaita gadadhara, srivasadi gaura-bhakta-vrinda By serving Gaura Nityananda one is freed from the entanglements of material existence and thus becomes qualified to worship the Radha Krsna Deity. I think that is black and white, no need for personal concoctions to be imposed on the majority.

Self appointed gurus test. <small><small>SB 6.3.24 P Yamaraja Instructs His Messengers 52185/530501</small></small> <small><small> The chanting of the Hare Krsna mantra is recommended even for persons who commit offenses, because if they continue chanting they will gradually chant offenselessly. By chanting the Hare Krsna mantra without offenses, one increases his love for Krsna. As stated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, prema pum-artho mahan: one's main concern should be to increase one's attachment to the Supreme Personality of Godhead and to increase one's love for Him.</small></small> <small style="font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold;"><small> Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura also quotes this verse from the Padma Purana:</small></small> <small style="font-weight: bold;"> namaparadha-yuktanam</small><small style="font-weight: bold;"> <small>namany eva haranty agham</small> <small>avisranti-prayuktani</small> <small>tany evartha-karani ca</small></small> <o:p></o:p> <small style="font-weight: bold; font-family: Verdana;">Even if in the beginning one chants the Hare Krsna mantra with </small><small style="font-family: Verdana;"><small>offenses, one will become free from such offenses by chanting again and again. Papa-ksayas ca bhavati smaratam tam ahar-nisam: one becomes free from all sinful reactions if one chants day and night, following the recommendation of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. </small></small> <small style="font-family: Verdana;"><small>Whereas gaurangapada teaches</small></small> "The Hare Krishna Mahamantra considers the offenses whereas the Names of Gauranga-Nityananda don't consider offenses. An offensive chanter will never achieve the fruit of chanting (pure love for Krishna) by chanting the Hare Krishna Mahamantra. Therefore till the time he is commiting offenses, he should chant the names of Nityananda and Gauranga. Due the repeated chanting of the names of Nityananda and Gauranga, the offenses will be destroyed and he will achieve the fruit of chanting." Who is correct? are they both corect? or is 1 off them a kali chela

Another ploy these self appointed gurus use is, or forever screaming, is Vaishnava Apparadha,this is used by them to hide their wicked ways so that honest devotees feel they are causing offence by questioning thier background.It is the duty of the disciple to examine any potential guru., When one accepts the position of a guru, he accepts responsibility over the deliverance of his disciples. This responsibility has been discussed in the Bhagavata, in Rishabha's advice to his sons: <dl><dd><dl><dd> gurur na sa syāt sva-jano na sa syāt <dl><dd>pitā na sa syāj jananī na sā syāt | </dd></dl> </dd><dd>daivaṁ na tat syān na patiś ca sa syān <dl><dd>na mocayed yaḥ samupeta-mṛtyum || BhP 5.5.18 </dd></dl> </dd></dl> </dd></dl> <dl><dd>"He should not become a guru, he should not become a kinsman; he should not become a father, he should not become a mother; he should not become a worshipable deity, nor should he become a husband, if he cannot deliver another from the path of death." </dd></dl> If this burden is not duly borne, a great disrespect towards the principle of guru will take place. As in the famous Guru-vandana of the poet Sanatan Das, jīvera nistāra lāgi nanda-suta hari, bhuvane prakāśa hana guru-rūpa dhari - "For the deliverance of souls, Hari, the son of Nanda, appears in this world, bearing the form of the guru." If someone does not actively adopt the due responsibility of another's deliverance, and yet goes on accepting service and donations from his disciples, he essentially betrays the position he has assumed. This is aptly put in Shiva's words to Parvati in Skanda-purana's Guru-gita: <dl><dd><dl><dd>guravo bahavaḥ santi śiṣya-vittāpahārakaḥ | <dl><dd>durlabho'yaṁ gurur devi śiṣya-saṁtāpa-hārakam || 1.269 </dd></dl> </dd></dl> </dd></dl> <dl><dd>"O Sati, many are the gurus who seize the property of the disciple. Rare is the guru, O Devi, who steals away the affliction of the disciple." </dd></dl>

It is always good to be on the look out for kali chelas in the dress of vaishnavas and it is always proper to look into the background of these people who claim to be gurus. There are now quite a few online gurus now all vying for disciples and their money,such as Gaurangapada who also claims to be in line of Srila Prabhupada,however a close look at gaurangapada's history shows he was never a direct disciple of Srila Prabhupada but another kali chela by the name of Sri Vishnupada otherwise know as hurrycash swami who also taught that his son was a reincarnation of Srila Prabhupada another kali chela is Kirtanandapada who has spawned his own padas like nitaipada maharaja who happens to be a disciple of another pada gaurangapada. The title "Visnupada" refers to the Supreme Personality of Godhead and is reserved for the Vaisnava Acarya, the Jagat Guru, who represents the Supreme Lord, Sri Krsna, not for conditioned souls or fallen sanyasis. It seems that a fallen guru will always produce fallen gurus wheras a Pure Devotee will always produce Pure Devotees