jijaji

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What I am saying here is that people attach themselves to belief systems because they do not know nor have they had direct realization of divine reality themselves, with their own eyes. So they 'BELIEVE' and practice esoteric 'mental gymnastics' which will hopefully bridge the gap between 'belief' and 'knowing' one day. Some even adopt the practice of dressing Indian or shaving the head etc. They are encouraged that if they follow correctly they will attain to the same realization and experience of 'Truth' that others before them had who followed. One thing to be remembered... Truth NEVER EVER happens to Organizations or groups or sects. Moksha or Kaivalya or 'Prem' happens 'ONLY' to INDIVIDUALS. Because 'Truth' is an individual affair that can only happen to 'YOU'. Your experience and expression of 'Truth' or 'God' Or 'Atman' or 'Nirvana' is 'Yours' and 'Yours' 'ALONE'... To impose your truth upon others, to develop dogmatic elaborate systems with hard-line rules and regulations (ALL RELIGIONS HAVE THEM) and a system for official belief is to dis-allow the freedom of discovery of 'Truth' in and of itself as an individual experience.

Rati... You prove my point very well.... you are the 'living proof'in fact... that raganuga bhajana is not a practical spiritual practice for the mass of humanity in this day and age. Many seek affiliation with ancient traditions and lines that give complex esotetic practices and teachings because it is a replacement for realization. To have spiritual awakening is no easy or common thing, so seekers gravitate to a tradition that clams to possess the 'Highest' or most intimate or most secret teachings etc etc etc. This is simply a SUBSTITUTE for realizing the 'TRUTH' itself. It's like 'Fundy Christians' who say all ya gotta do is 'BEIEVE'... not that easy sahibji.. [This message has been edited by jijaji (edited 04-25-2002).]

So many of these esoteric practices need to be renewed so to speak to fit into ther modern world. So few can go to such places as Radha-Kunda and sit for Bhajan. I also feel many of the outdated outlooks towards women and sex incrusted in the religious systems where these esoteric practices come from need to be updated as well. The first update should be that men and women don't need to be separated! In fact it is a violence in of itself.

For the world today human beings need a more practical type of spiritual practice and one not so sectarian and difficult to follow.

Perhaps I did forget....but still that shows how few are capable of practicing this esoteric system. BTW....do you chant, meditate or do any actual practice on regular basis?

Hey Guys..this really works..!

I have for many years been involved in these discussions on Siddha Pranali and other Gaudiya issues. Now let me cut to the chase here. In all those years I am YET to find any western followers who have taken diksha and received information regarding their Siddha-deha ..who actually daily practice this technique. It seems more time is spent on debating it's authenticity to those who misunderstand and condemm it. And most who have taken it put more importance on recieving this than on a daily spiritual practice at least looking at the track record. Most people I know who have taken diksha are far removed from any sadhana it seems... At least that is what I have seen.... All the endless debate about how without proper diksha one cannot advance in spiritual life etc ..blah blah blah... I say..... Sitting down with simple meditation and trying to find some stillness inside yourself if done on a daily basis is stronger than being connected to the most noble of sampradayas where you do nothing but debate how important you are. Spiritual realization comes from practice.... Not belonging to a line of teachers who practiced things so difficult and far-removed from this day and age.

I followed many of those discussions for years..some very informative stuff indeed! some... 'Get Down in the Get Down' [This message has been edited by jijaji (edited 04-24-2002).]

Jijaji's Ghostbuster technique... Just offer a little incence (nice sandlewood) to a picture of Ma Kali in the area associated with the spooks... They go running, no kidding. For some reason Ma Kali scares the hell out of them! This is a fool-proof technique...just try it and you will sense the slimmers high-tailing it out of the area! [This message has been edited by jijaji (edited 04-24-2002).]

Rati...I saw this article (below) on this website you are promoting. What exactly are you advocating here? Have you have gone 'Sahajiya' Ol Bean? ????? M E N T A L C O N C E N T R A T I O N D U R I N G L O V E M A K I N G P A R T 1 In 1970, Masters and Johnson made popular a new technique that they called "sexual focusing". This technique simply consists in focusing one's attention on the sensations that occurr during lovemaking, without letting one's mind to loaf. Applying this technique during foreplay or during massage exercises was the first step in curing sexual dysfunctions for both men and women. Similar to the Concentration (Dharana) phase in Yoga, the sexual concentration is an absolutely necessary phase for reaching the perfect harmony in couple, by favouring the focusing of the very powerful energies that take place during lovemaking and guiding them to the high levels of the human being. We don't have to see the method of achieving a meditative attitude during lovemaking as an exercise, as an instrument or as a technique performed in order to obtain a purpose in the future - the sexual performance, the mystique experience or anything else. It is better to see it only as a way to go deep inside of us, in the present moment, in what we are doing and in what we are experiencing, therefore a way to stop our thoughts. There are more aspects of eros we can firmly focus our attention on, in order to eliminate any other thought, in this way driving ourselves close to the subtle plans of the mystique conscience. These aspects of the lovemaking can be active or passive. Let's take as an example, the touch: we can either concentrate our attention on given touches that represent the active aspect of touch, or on received touches that represent the passive aspect of touch. Also, the aspects of erotism can be general or specified, depending on how many sensations are perceived in the same time. Yet, the most beautiful feeling is the feeling of merging with the lover and with the entire Universe. This phenomenon appears step by step through continuously refining of the transfiguring act. HOW CAN WE STOP OUR THOUGHTS DURING THE LOVEMAKING? The stopping of the thought has become a popular technique. In the arsenal of occidental therapeutics, this technique has entered powerfully after the 70s, being used as an active and direct treatment in the fixed idea (monomania). It came in contrast with the psychoanalytic method which was slower, more indirect, though in a certain direction - more comprehensive. The idea that a person can direct her perception and attention, performing in this way a certain control over his/her own cognitive functions, is applied in order to modify the sexual behaviour. It proves to be very useful especially when the sexual dysfunctions are generated by a disturbing mental pattern that occurs during the lovemaking. As much as we start to focus ourselves on the sensorial, direct perceptions of the erotic act, it becomes obvious the idea that "these thoughts occur to me" and that "I am not these thoughts". Therefore, we will let those thoughts pass over us and go out of our conscience without giving them any value or becoming attached to them. As soon as we will become aware of the fact that the thoughts are external to our being and that just by feeding them and by accepting them we make them alive and sustain them, we will easily realize that it is easy to stop their activity. An efficient way to begin is to ignore them and not pay any attention to them, by making efforts to concentrate over the sensations we feel while making love. With the time passing, the stopping of these thoughts will occur spontaneously, while the person is paying attention only to the orgasmic and sensual experiences. CONCENTRATION TECHNIQUES 1. In case that certain inhibitory thoughts or certain thoughts, which are disturbing the harmonious lovemaking occur, because of some psychic traumas in connection with the sexual activity, you must have in mind to concentrate yourselves over the most intense sensation (tactile, visual, tasting, smelling) you feel. Let yourself be absorbed by this sensation, let yourself become one with it. As much as you melt in this sensation, experiencing it at maximum intensity, you realize that any disturbing thought will disappear, letting the place free for the pleasure and for the happiness. Doing the same with the other sensations, you will realize that the intense experience will free hidden forces in your own human being. As soon as you achieve this experience, you will realize that the thoughts easily disappear and they will be kept ever under the control. 2. You are ready go to bed (after they have undressed and had a shower). She is lying down while you softly caress her back sensually. You have to concentrate yourself only on the sensation you receives from touching her skin and the harmonious forms of her body. In the same time, the woman has to focus her attention on your caresses. She mustn't let her mind be disturbed by other thoughts. She shouldn't think of anything else. In this way you won't let your minds wander. By concentrating on your sensations you can be more aware and fully experience all the sensations. ???? [This message has been edited by jijaji (edited 04-24-2002).]

Why do I get the feeling this is a loaded question..?

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yeah..some good shots of the temple from top of the hill..! I wanna go and meditate! ayam atma brahma

cool link to photo tour of Ramanashram and Arunachala..(photos of parts of India as well) http://www.heartspace.org/sshow/tamilnadu/page116.html

In all honesty (at least for me).. When I used to read Bhaktisiddhanta it was kinda of like reading algebra or something...certainly wordy to say the least.

Not sure... Wonder if any of them claimed to be orthodox followers of a religion, but for all practical purposes never practiced it.

Man set foot in Ice-Age Tibet By Nick Easen CNN Hong Kong April 18, 2002 LHASA, China -- Fossilized hand and footprints have revealed that mankind lived on the Tibetan plateau at the height of the Ice Age -- 16,000 years earlier than anyone previously thought. The 19 fossilized signs of life have also cast doubt on the theory that the plateau was fully covered by a glacier one kilometer thick at that time. The 20,000 year-old prints, 85 kilometers (53 miles) from Lhasa, predates any archaeological evidence on the plateau and suggests that man may have migrated to the "roof of the world" extremely early on. At the arid and frigid site, 4,200 meters above sea level, scientists found the marks of at least six individuals, of which two were children, including a well-structured stove. "The findings mean that human settlement here is 16,000 years earlier than scientists thought, but also human beings had the ability to adapt to such cold environment," Hong Kong University's Professor David Zhang told CNN. Since the height of the last Ice Age was between 24,000 and 18,000 years ago, the evidence, which shocked Zhang, shows that early man could adapt to this extreme environment. The findings, published in both the journal Nature and an American geophysical journal, are also a nail in the coffin for the ice-covered plateau hypothesis. The theory indicates that the 4,000-meter high Tibetan plateau was completely covered in ice, thicker than the present Greenland ice sheet, even during the last Ice Age. Yet the findings clearly indicate that the plateau was partially ice-free, and that man was able to survive there, albeit around hot springs where the climate was more equitable. Until this discovery, the oldest known settlements were from the Late Neolithic Age, around 4,000 years ago, which led scientists to believe that Tibetans migrated onto the high-plateau around this time. Archaeological findings of prehistoric remnants are rare in Tibet because of its political sensitivity and poor physical conditions. Stumbled on the marks Fossilized footprints at a hotspring, perhaps the Tibetan plateau was more habitable that scientists first thought Professor Zhang stumbled on the marks in marble-like rocks, while he investigated the hot springs in 1986, and returned to collect a sample in 1995. It was not until 1999 when he involved dating specialist Professor S.H. Li that they were able to calculate the age of the hand and footprints. The Ice-Age hot spring that probably attracted early Tibetan settlers also preserved their hand and footprints for future posterity. The soft mineral mud prints dried in to a durable limestone deposit called travertine, which allowed Zhang and Li to date the prints using a technique called thermo-luminescence dating. The process involves using quartz as a mineral clock since tiny grains of the mineral were trapped in the deposit when the mud solidified 20,000 years ago. Heated quartz emits light in proportion to the time that has passed since it was last warmed up or exposed to light. The next step for Zhang and his colleagues is to further investigate past environmental changes on the Tibetan plateau, as well as the current physical environment. "It is the roof of the world with the deepest gorges and highest mountains. It is worth protecting and it may later tell us something more," Zhang told local media. [This message has been edited by jijaji (edited 04-22-2002).]

Rati, Gald to see you retracted your remarks, I did as well. Had you NOT..this would have been a post of an entirely different nature! [This message has been edited by jijaji (edited 04-20-2002).]

Rati: (from another thread, but I couldn't resist bringing it to question here) "Neither do I have any objection to calling a spade a spade when it comes to traditions that take their own path apart from that of Suddha Bhakti, like Buddhists and Mayavadis and Bauls." jijaji: Now that I got your attention Rati.... Could you please explain your schools (Babji line) stance on this. Do you take a similar hard line objection towards Advaitavada and Buddhists as do Gaudiya Math and Iskcon? It seems so from the above post, just curious, not gettin on your case baba..

I am just having a play with words gentlemen. But I do like and prefer to meditate alone in solitide. Group energy can be helpful to beginners and to communities I guess on some level. But I.. 'Go the Place where Noone Goes' To the Peaks of Inner Solitude away from the group madness called 'dogma'... away yes away into stillness, quitetude...advaitavadin suchness and orange light what delight ;^) Yea that's the ticket. [This message has been edited by jijaji (edited 04-16-2002).]

There are many nice buddhists sanghas where people participate in group meditations. And yes group meditations have been a part of buddhism for a long time..that is what the sanga is all about! ust look at the Tai Forest Meditation traditions. It does sound like the group you are with is controlling and perhaps unhealthy I agree with Ratijiwala on this. Lesson learned..move on, I would recommend looking for a group that people drop in as they please and run when people ask you weird questions about your personal life! I personally like my own solitude in meditation so if I screech out in bliss I won't disturb anyone. But really.. I do like my own private meditation as I tend to be a bit unorthodox and incorporate a blend of esoteric practices to reach a frenzied state which might possibly scare the general public! [This message has been edited by jijaji (edited 04-16-2002).]

I see but in your posting I noticed YOU implying it being ok when "calling a spade a spade" regarding mayavadis, buddhists. Could you please explain what exactly you mean by this 'calling a spade a spade' It certainly doesn't sound sympathetic.

True the Mahayana was the outcome of Buddhism incorporating local faiths as it spread mainly outside India. Such as in Tibet Buddhism being a hybred of the Old 'Bon' religion mixed with Buddhism. When Buddhism spread to China from India it mixed with Taoism which was the origins of the chinese 'Chan' school of Buddhism. Futher we can see this development of Mahayana extending to Japan, thus the Chinese 'Chan' became the Japanese Zen. All this development and spread is Mahayana, The Theravada tradition is considered much older and to be the source of the later 'Mahayana'school. The Thervada schools primany method of practice is meditation 'vipassana' which is considered by the Theravada school to be the Buddhas most noteworthy contribution to humanity. [This message has been edited by jijaji (edited 04-16-2002).]