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LATEST - Obama (D) - 259 votes McCain ® - 130 votes (Includes the projected win for Obama of CA
270 is needed to be President
Spiritually we are ALL (yes, you in ISKCON too) still are a barbaric, primative, selfish society.
Spiritually we are all pioneers yet so weighed down materially, God help us all!!!!!
God help us all is right, the Kali-yuga is thick and the atmosphere is almost completely materialistic on all fronts even religous fronts. I am convinced only a major avatar could ever actually change anything but who knows for sure.
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Only time will tell. Its all just speculation right now. Only once he is in office and we see what his real agenda is and how he enacts it will we even begin to know. I don't put much faith in politicians anymore, I have fallen for that before but I hope the Obama supporters are right about him. He voted for the Wall Street bailout so I think there is a good chance Obama people are getting duped by the same old song and dance but who knows for sure.
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Congratulations. Should be very interesting times coming.
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Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Tuesday, November 4, 2008
The messianic fervor which has preceded Barack Obama’s expected ascension to the White House has alarming implications for freedom and is a painful reminder that most Americans have once again been suckered into believing that the two-party monopoly offers any kind of solution to the crisis that we face.
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</TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD width=16> </TD><TD class=photo-caption vAlign=top align=left width=399>Barack Obama will ride into office with a gigantic approval rating to rival that of Bush after 9/11, along with a complete power monopoly over the executive, the legislative, the judicial as well as widespread media support.</TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> For eight years during the term of Bill Clinton, Alex Jones was labeled a right-wing fascist for opposing him and for the past near-eight years Jones has been derided as a communist and even an Al-Qaeda member for railing against the Bush administration.
Now even regular readers of our own websites are calling Alex a right-wing racist once again merely for questioning the ascension of the new great leader - Barack Obama.
The messianic complex that has been attached to Obama is truly frightening. Bishops like Cornal Garnett Henning are calling Obama the new “Moses” while his supporters refer to him as “the black Jesus”.
In one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI, a woman hails Obama’s Godly powers by proclaiming that as soon as he is elected, all her problems will simply disappear, saying that Obama will help her personally almost like Jesus healed the sick and wounded.
The election of a new president should not be a mindless act of idolatry and fanfare, it should be a solemn commitment to find a leader who will follow the Constitution.
But Barack Obama will ride into office with a gigantic approval rating to rival that of Bush after 9/11, along with a complete power monopoly over the executive, the legislative, the judicial as well as widespread media support.
This makes Obama more dangerous than Bush and certainly a damn site more dangerous than a McCain administration, because his policies for at least a year or two will enjoy universal acclaim and voices of dissent will be drowned out by a wave of droning acquiescence.
Obama has all the political capital he needs to implement the terrifying policies that he has already announced and beef the architecture of the police state crafted by Bush.
- The creation of a “civilian national security force” that is “just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the U.S. military to enforce Obama’s carbon tax scheme and the total regulation and control of the American middle class.
- Obama has talked openly about his intention to bomb Pakistan under the guise of pursuing terrorists, continuing a Bush administration policy of violating the sovereignty of foreign nations.
- The guarantee to “bankrupt” coal power plants, costing millions of American jobs and skyrocketing energy prices.
- Unbridled implementation and expansion of the banker bailout that is hated by the majority of American citizens yet was vigorously promoted by both Obama and McCain. Doling out taxpayer’s money to Wall Street, causing rampant inflation, a lowering in living standards and the destruction of the dollar.
- Obama has rhetorically supported the second amendment and an individual’s right to bear arms, but his actions tell a different story. Obama supports local gun ban laws, including his endorsement of a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois.
- Obama grandstands on the notion that he supports environmentalism with his climate change rhetoric, but his intention to extend biofuel subsidies will only accelerate price food costs that have already risen 75 per cent since 2002, causing economic distress and rioting in such countries as Haiti, Egypt, and Somalia, as well as deforestation on a massive scale.
Mark our words - the causes that the liberal left has been fighting for over the last eight years will simply be forgotten just like conservatives were put to sleep when Bush came to power. Obama is the pacifier that the establishment needs to quiet the simmering anger amongst Americans that has been threatening to boil over.
It will no longer be “fashionable” to fight the police state amongst the political left.
Mark our words - there will be no repeal of the Patriot Act, there will be no repeal of the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, there will be no repeal of warrantless secret surveillance of American citizens.
Democratic control of Congress and the Senate since the 2006 elections has achieved nothing in the way of reversing the Bush administration’s assaults on the Constitution, so why should we expect Obama to do anything different?
Obama may eventually withdraw a portion of troops from Iraq but mark our words, they won’t be home long before they are sent off to bomb another broken-backed third world country, this time in the name of a United Nations-backed “humanitarian” war, just as Bill Clinton presided over in Somalia and Serbia with the full support of the establishment political left.
Indeed, Obama’s running mate Joe Biden has already “promised” and “guaranteed” that Obama will be faced with an international crisis that will mandate him to take “unpopular” and “tough” decisions in the context of foreign policy.
Don’t think for a second that our warnings about Obama are an endorsement for John McCain. We have tirelessly attempted to educate Americans about the two party monopoly and the fact that Democrats and Republicans serve the interests of the elite, not the people, and have for at least five decades since Kennedy was killed.
Obama is Coca-Cola and McCain is Pepsi - at the end of the day you’re still drinking the same beverage.
The two-party monopoly offers no solutions for the problems we face, in fact the two-party monopoly that you will be helping to maintain should you vote for either Obama or McCain - is the problem.
Stop falling for the same bait and switch trick again and again every eight years.
When George W. Bush was elected, conservatives were in adulation and awe, confident that after eight years of federal government expansion under Clinton, Bush - complete with slick conservative rhetoric and promises of change - would shrink the size of government and restore dignity to the office of President.
Nearly eight years later and what have we witnessed, a record expansion in the size of government and an almost universal contempt for America around the world.
When Tony Blair swept into power with a landslide in the British general election in 1997, the country breathed a collective sigh of relief that this new young dynamo would put right years of Tory malfeasance and provide the “change” that everyone was crying out for.
When Blair left office in 2007 he had created a Socialist surveillance police state and eliminated a huge popular approval lead the Labour Party had enjoyed over the Tories, leaving most of the public once again to demand Conservative rule.
When are we going to wake up to the fact that voting in the lesser of two evils is not a solution?
When are we going to realize that participating in a rigged system, where our vote means virtually nothing anyway because it is counted by a completely compromised and hackable voting machine, not only fails to address any of our problems, but actually compounds them because of our passive obedience in participating in the phony virtual reality presented to us as “democracy”?
When are we going to realize that by continually electing Democrats and Republicans, we are voting away our own freedom as the march towards a new world order and an American police state proceeds no matter who takes office?
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Who Knows Maybe He Will Be An Avatar And Lead Everyone To Krsna Consciousness And Everyone Will Live Happily Ever After For A 1000 Years.
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HERE IS ANOTHER POSSIBILE EXPLANATION OF WHAT TO COME:
Biden’s Admonition: Plebs to Suffer if Obama is Elected
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
October 20, 2008
In a striking moment of candor, Joe Biden tells us would-be president Obama will face “an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions,” Matthew Jaffe reports on ABC News’ Political Radar blog. Speaking at a Seattle fundraiser, Biden said this “test” would likely unfold in the Middle East or Russia. It would likely be coupled with the economy.
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It is interesting Biden would mention Greek mythology to make his point. Augeas, one of the Argonauts, is best known for his stables, which housed the single greatest number of cattle in the country and had never been cleaned until the great hero Heracles came along. Apparently Biden would have us believe Obama is Heracles, the son of Zeus, known for his extraordinary strength, courage, ingenuity, and sexual prowess with both males and females. Biden also put the senator from Illinois in the same league as John F. Kennedy.
Biden said Obama, if elected, will do something extremely unpopular within the next year and will trend down in the polls. “I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, ‘Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?’ We’re gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I’m asking you now, I’m asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you’re going to have to reinforce us,” said Biden.
It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what’s in store. As should now be obvious, the global elite are deliberately tanking the economy worldwide in an effort to consolidate their hold and wealth and this will result in unimaginable privation on a global scale. As Prison Planet and Infowars have consistently reported, they have launched a final effort to usher in a world currency and a world government. Recall Obama’s campaign promise to impose limitations on carbon emissions, shorthand for a global tax.
In addition, they are not finished with their project in the Middle East — the effort to take down Iran is a major piece of unfinished business. Moreover, and most ominously, the global elite are anxious to confront Russia and this will figure prominently on Obama’s agenda, especially with the notorious russophobe Zbigniew Brzezinski in control of Obama’s foreign policy.
All of this will require not only submission on the part of the American people, but enthusiastic support and possibly a willingness to send our children into the fiery maw of some as of yet uninitiated conflagration. Obama, as the “perfect master” — never mind that he has yet to demonstrate any sort of ability beyond rhetoric and oratory — was chosen by our rulers primarily due to his race and the fact this will make it difficult to mount an effective opposition to his policies. The corporate media and the Democrats will attempt to peg any criticism of Obama as racist. More then thirty years of political correctness has set the stage for a dictatorial regime.
Finally, recall Michele Obama’s warning earlier this year — the American people are obliged to sacrifice. Now we have the corporate and globalist insider Joe Biden telling us there will be a situation that will make Obama unpopular, possibly more unpopular than George W. Bush. One only need look at the economy, masterfully sabotaged, and the ongoing corporatized wars and invasions that appear endless no matter what stripe of one party politico is in office to understand what is coming down the road.
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IF I HAD TO GUESS:
Obama: “Marxist” Front Man for the Banksters
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
October 26, 2008
Is Barack Obama a Marxist, will he redistribute the wealth to the middle class? This is the question a WFTV anchor posed to Joe Biden.
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</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD width=16></TD><TD width=425><EMBED src=""http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXcImQfubM&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x2b405b&color2=0x6b8ab6 width=425 height=344 type=application/x-shockwave-flash allowfullscreen="true"></EMBED></TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD width=16> </TD><TD class=photo-caption vAlign=top align=left width=425>Barbara West of WFTV employs the false right-left paradigm against Joe Biden. In response, the Obama campaign killed all interviews with the Florida TV station, thus demonstrating Ms. West cut too close to the bone. </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>It was of course an absurd question, considering Obama is the bankster candidate of choice. Banksters do not “redistribute” the wealth downward, they direct it upward into their own coffers. In fact, the word is not even accurate. It is not “redistribution,” it is theft. The banksters are grand theft larcenists on a monumental scale.
Karl Marx’s ideology was a historical ruse, a stratagem for the ruling elite. Marx was related to the Rothschild family. Nathan Mayer Rothschild married Hannah Barent-Cohen, daughter of Levi Barent-Cohen and wife Lydia Diamantschleifer and paternal granddaughter of Barent Cohen and wife, whose other son Salomon David Barent-Cohen married Sara Brandes, the great-grandparents of Karl Marx.
“Nathan Rothschild had given Marx two checks for several thousand pounds to finance the cause of Socialism. The checks were put on display in the British Museum, after Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild, a trustee, had willed his museum and library to them,” argues David Rivera in Final Warning: A History of the New World Order.
But even if Rothschild had nothing to do with his relative Karl Marx, the political philosophy of Marxism was custom-built for the banksters.
As Antony C. Sutton notes in Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, “both the extreme right and the extreme left of the conventional political spectrum are absolutely collectivist” and “both recommend totalitarian politico-economic systems based on naked, unfettered political power and individual coercion,” a system well-suited to the banksters, who are after all monopolists. “While monopoly control of industries was once the objective of J. P. Morgan and J. D. Rockefeller, by the late nineteenth century the inner sanctums of Wall Street understood that the most efficient way to gain an unchallenged monopoly was to ‘go political’ and make society go to work for the monopolists — under the name of the public good and the public interest.” It was, after all, John D. Rockefeller, Sr. who declared: “Competition is a sin.”
As H.G. Wells wrote in his 1939 book, The New World Order, this bankster imposed “revolution” is nothing if not “outright world-socialism, scientifically planned and directed.” According to one of Wells’ contemporaries, Aldous Huxley, this contrived “utopia” will not come naturally or even without strife — a form of “supra-national totalitarianism” will be “called into existence by … social chaos,” a chaos that draws closer every day as the international bankers sabotage the global economy in an effort to impose a new serfdom on the world as a whole.
As CFR historian Carroll Quigley explained in Tragedy and Hope, the banksters went political not only to make society at large work for them, but to destroy civilization as we know it and impose a feudalism on a global scale. “For the first time in its history, Western Civilization is in danger of being destroyed internally by a corrupt, criminal ruling cabal which is centered around the Rockefeller interests, which include elements from the Morgan, Brown, Rothschild, Du Pont, Harriman, Kuhn-Loeb, and other groupings as well. This junta took control of the political, financial, and cultural life of America in the first two decades of the twentieth century,” writes Quigley.
It is a system “to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences,” Quigley explains. It is not merely a financial system, but a political and cultural one as well. It is a scientific dictatorship of the sort Quigley did not imagine when he wrote his book in 1975.
Dennis L. Cuddy explains:
Economically, there was no middle class in feudal times, and that’s exactly why there is an assault upon the middle class today. The tax burden today is largely borne by the middle class, which pays a higher percentage of its income in taxes than the serfs of feudal days paid from what they produced. Small businessmen (regulated by bureaucrats) today have become like feudal vassals on fiefs. You and I are like the peasants of feudal times. We’re called “human capital” or “human resources,” and are to be “managed” like feudal “human chattel.”In the video above, long time insider Joe Biden once again states that “we will be tested,” primarily because our “economy is in free fall right now,” a downfall engineered by the banksters that control minion Biden and Barack Obama, the “savior” without accomplishment or credentials. Biden is simply providing us, the commoners detested by the elite, with a glimpse of things to come after the agent of “change” is installed in the White House. Indeed, there will be change, but not the kind sold by snake oil salesmen of Biden’s ilk.
No wealth will be spread to the beleaguered middle class, as advertised. No tax cuts will be forthcoming. After Obama is anointed, the engineered economic crisis will intensify and Obama the sock puppet for the banksters and Wall Street will demand wholesale sacrifice on the part of the plebs. His CFR connected wife said as much earlier in the year. Obama, the foundation financed wunderkind shepherded by the advocate of globalist primacy, Zbigniew Brzezinski, indeed has nothing but contempt for the American people and that is why he was groomed to lead, or rather take orders.
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Just for the record 'he' in this statement is referring to Srila Prabhupada.
Oh, I see what you are saying. Sorry, I misinterpreted your statement. Definetly agree that it seems Prabhupada was trying to open people up to what transcendentalism is, that is a good point.
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Don't know about raising the prices to effect behavior but that is something that has been happening to cigarets for years and I agree with it. Personally I think the tobacco industry should be closed down completely by the government.
So I have no problem with forcing people to go green. Wars are being fought over oil because we are not energy self sufficient.
Can't say I disagree with your statement but the people that are pushing this agenda are part of an elite class that do not personally modify their own lifestyles at all and they want further and further centralized control to dictate to the masses while they live a life of extravagance on the labor of the idiot masses. If they were true leaders they would lead by example like Gandhi and not be corporate puppet hypocrites.
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Maybe more to the point he was trying to open up to people what transcendentalism is. Not just some further designation. by bija
Wishful thinking. Guruvani used to post crap about Jesus being an ape or something. He always made fun of Jesus and said Prabhupada didn't give a crap about Jesus. Beggar was another one of those devotees who says Prabhupada only said this stuff as a preaching device, don't know what his motivations were in saying that or what his feelings about Jesus really are. I think Kulapavana is another one who will tell you Prabhupada only said this stuff to trick Christians into becoming Hare Krishnas and that Jesus basically sucks and he calls Hare Christians bogus and stuff I think but I don't know for sure. .
As far as designations go there is not any Christian group that I have ever been a part of. Only been to church a few times in my life and those were times when I went to church by myself in the middle of the night because I enjoy the solitude. Despite not belonging to any designation I can see the divinity in Jesus and the divinity in Krishna so I don't see why this big controversy even exists except in the fact there seem to be some Vaisnavas that think anyone who has been exposed to Vaisnavism but still thinks Jesus is divine are idiot Hare Christians whatever that means. This all done in the context of numerous quotes from Prabhupada that seem to indicate that Prabhupada at the very least had some level of respect for Jesus and if Prabhupada was sincere in what he said about Jesus, Prabhupada viewed Jesus as a servant of the Lord.
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Horse***t.
This is the same mentality that some sannyasins of Srila Prabhupada fell into and they started preaching that really Srila Prabhupada was Krishna and his saying he wasn't was just a device to get jivas attracted to Krishna.
Prabhupada booted them out of Iskcon when he found out about it.
Yeah, I agree that it is horse***t. I was being sarcastic because I almost vomit everytime I hear a Vaisnava tell me the crap that I posted of which I have heard quite frequently. I remember Guruvani used to say that kind of thing all the time. Its not that they aren't entitled to their opinions either its that they don't even take into consideration that Prabhupada may really have had admiration for Jesus and they view anyone who doesn't agree with them as an idiot "Hare Christian" like being a "Hare Christian" whatever that means is some sort of terrible thing only reserved for lunatics, degenerates, and idiots the world over.
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Glad to see you know so little about who you are voting for his admitted drug use is a fact.
So IF the deceiver gets elected and things continue to crumble under one party rule, you know little things like free speech, who then will you blame ? I really feel bad for folks like you, the real blame for the condition we are in is lack of personal accountability. Can`t get by, oh heck blame the man, it must be someone elses fault.
Yea I guess he is clean, Ask his Aunt living in poverty in Boston about his mercy the clearest test of a man is how he treats his family. Truthfulness well considering he will not even allow his birth certificate to be released and try getting any records of his past. He also has a habit of being caught in lies then cutting loose those involved in them as Reverend Wright LOL.
Ooops better rethink your vote then, your shining being Obama was quite the candy man
The most puzzling thing about the Obama personality cultists to me is that they view him as a grassroots politician agent of change and he voted for the Wall Street bailout banker takeover bill. Apparently they were not paying attention when he did that.
All the stuff you mention is quite alarming as well. Even though Obama does hang out with some off the wall personalities I would have had more respect for him if he would have just owned up to his friendship with them but to see him throw them under the bus like he did is another indicator that he is just another corporate controlled NWO globalist social darwinist posing as a grassroots politician of the people, agent of change. Hopefully I am wrong about him and the fact that he carries a Krishna trinket in his pocket is an indication that he really is here to serve the people and not to serve his corporate slave masters.
All in my opinion only and the opinions expressed above are merely for cheap entertainment purposes only and in no way should be construed as expert political analysis.
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I herby petition the Lord to be released from any karma as a result of voting on the basis of the percieved lesser of two evils. Having come to the conclusion that the left/right paradigm is a divide and conquer construct of the corporate globalist social darwinists I will vote for 3rd party candidates or not vote at all.
I petition the Lord to release karmic accountability of a citizenry from a government that pretty much at every turn does exactly the opposite of what the citizenry wants. Don't know if my petition will fall on deaf ears but personally I don't feel any karmic accountability to this criminal government and when I have voted for any of these idiots it has been because I viewed them as lesser of two evils. We live in a civilization where you cannot revolt against your government without being painted as a crazy lunatic so basically in my opinion it is the duty of God to clean this mess up because the citizens have their hands tied at every turn even when they speak out against evil and the evil acts of the government. The responsibility to clean this corruption up is completely in the hands of the Lord as far as I am concerned at this point.
My vote is for the Kalki avatar.
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When Prabhupada writes in Srimad-Bhagvatam, "Jesus Christ and Muhammad, two powerful devotees of the Lord, have done tremendous service on behalf of the Lord on the surface of the globe", present Vaishnava leaders say, oh, Prabhupada was a Hare Christian?
The inner sanctum of really, really highly intelligent Vaisnavas realize that Prabhupada didn't mean any of that and he was just using a preaching device to trick Muslims and Christians into becoming Hare Krishnas or so I have been told.
But you have to get really, really, really intelligent to finally have this realization and only a select few ever come to this magnificent realization. -
that is what i was thinking when seeing the thread title.
that a bunch of guru's 'requiring' all the chanting, specific menu, submission to them and their beliefs; they could be called Hairy Christiana's
Not much different, the preachers/teachers want submission to their ideals.
I think the Hare Krishna Gurus claim absolute authority over required submission because their ultimate authority is Krishna and his writings which only the guru can actually understand although it does seem difficult to figure out exactly who is a guru and who is not when dealing with Vaisnava institutions and what level of freedom the student has in determining their choice of guru or wether the guru should be appointed by the institution etc..
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I am voting for the Kalki avatar.
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Yeah, I saw that guy on some MTV awards show and heard him say Hare Krishna. He was really obnoxious on the show. Sometimes that kind of obnoxious can be funny but I found the guy to be mostly annoying but if he is trying to clean up his life and better himself spiritually then all you can do is wish the best for him.
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Don't know for sure the answers to your questions as it has been a while since I read about Kalki avatar. My memory seems to tell me that the Kalki avatar goes around killing the kings of the world because the kings have become corrupt and are making everyone live irreligously. My understanding is that Krishna is the eternal defender and restorer of religion so when things get to bad in the material world Krishna is obliged to come down and restore religion. At the end of the Kali-yuga the method Krishna uses is the Kalki avatar. My understanding is that Krishna experiences all emotions from a transcendental perspective so even if the lord is angry if you are even on the bad side of his anger it is ultimately to your spiritual benefit.
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Yes, the great acaryas did not say worship of Jesus is wrong. Jesus stopped to exist, is dead and gone, the acaryas never spoke like this.
However, what we have today, so called followers of vedic culture teaching you need a living guru. In other words they live in constant aparadha against Jesus.
Since the Western hemisphere/civilization is based upon the teachings of Jesus is this a good idea, to say, worship of Jesus is humbug, feeblemindedness, idiocy, imbecility, moronism. You need instead a living guru?
At least the great acaryas never preached to live in permanent aparadha against Jesus but to always free yourself from aparadha.
And the genuine true followers of Jesus never indulging in presumptuousness, pretentiousness, insolence or overbearance of such kind, to take a seat on Jesus Christ's vyasasana.
Although yes, admitted, they need some help how to prepare prasadam.
thanks, sd
Never have understood this approach by some Vedantists as theoretically speaking even if the story of Jesus is not true it is a beautiful and divine story in my book so there is no need to deride the followers of Jesus. I find the story of Jesus to be as beautiful and divine as any story I have read in Srimad Bhagavatam and I have a high level of respect for the divinity of Srimad Bhagavatam so I don't view it as some sort of competition as to who is more divine, Hindus or Christians.
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Australia To Enforce Mandatory Chinese-Style Internet Censorship
Paul Joseph Watson
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
The Australian government is set to impose Chinese-style Internet censorship by enforcing a universal national filter that will block websites deemed “controversial,” as part of a wider agenda to regulate the Internet according to free speech advocates.
A provision whereby Internet users could opt out of the filter by contacting their ISP has been stripped from the legislation, meaning the filter will be universal and mandatory.
The System Administrators Guild of Australia and Electronic Frontiers Australia have attacked the proposal, saying it will restrict web access, raise prices and slow internet traffic speeds.
The plan was first created as a way to combat child pornography and adult content, but could be extended to include controversial websites on euthanasia or anorexia,” reports the.Communications minister Stephen Conroy revealed the mandatory censorship to the Senate estimates committee as the Global Network Initiative, bringing together leading companies, human rights organisations, academics and investors, committed the technology firms to “protect the freedom of expression and privacy rights of their users”. (Complete black is white, up is down, double talk).Human Rights Watch has condemned internet censorship, and argued to the US Senate “there is a real danger of a Virtual Curtain dividing the internet, much as the Iron Curtain did during the Cold War, because some governments fear the potential of the internet, (and) want to control it.”Speaking from personal experience, not only are “controversial” websites blocked in China, meaning any website that is critical of the state, but every website the user attempts to visit first has to pass through the “great firewall,” causing the browser to hang and delay while it is checked against a government blacklist.
This causes excruciating delays, and the user experience is akin to being on a bad dial-up connection in the mid 1990’s. Even in the center of Shanghai with a fixed ethernet connection, the user experience is barely tolerable.
Not only are websites in China blocked, but e mails too are scanned for “controversial” words and blocked from being sent if they contain phrases related to politics or obscenities.
Googling for information on certain topics is also heavily restricted. While in China I tried to google “Bush Taiwan,” which resulted in Google.com ceasing to be accessible and my Internet connection was immediately terminated thereafter.
The Australian government will no doubt insist that their filter is in our best interests and is only designed to block child pornography, snuff films and other horrors, yet the system is completely pointless because it will not affect file sharing networks, which is the medium through which the vast majority of such material is distributed.
If we allow Australia to become the first “free” nation to impose Internet censorship, the snowball effect will only accelerate - the U.S. and the UK are next.
Indeed, Prime Minister Tony Blair called for Internet censorship last year.
In April 2007, Time magazine reported that researchers funded by the federal government want to shut down the internet and start over, citing the fact that at the moment there are loopholes in the system whereby users cannot be tracked and traced all the time. The projects echo moves we have previously reported on to clamp down on internet neutrality and even to designate a new form of the internet known as Internet 2.
Moves to regulate the web have increased over the last two years.
- In a display of bi-partisanship, there have been calls for all out mandatory ISP snooping on all US citizens by both Democrats and Republicans alike.
- In December 2006, Republican Senator John McCain tabled a proposal to introduce legislation that would fine blogs up to $300,000 for offensive statements, photos and videos posted by visitors on comment boards. It is well known that McCain has a distaste for his blogosphere critics, causing a definite conflict of interest where any proposal to restrict blogs on his part is concerned.
- During an appearance with his wife Barbara on Fox News in November 2006, George Bush senior slammed Internet bloggers for creating an “adversarial and ugly climate.”
- The White House’s own de-classified strategy for “winning the war on terror” targets Internet conspiracy theories as a recruiting ground for terrorists and threatens to “diminish” their influence.
- The Pentagon has also announced its effort to infiltrate the Internet and propagandize for the war on terror.
- In an October 2006 speech, Homeland Security director Michael Chertoff identified the web as a “terror training camp,” through which “disaffected people living in the United States” are developing “radical ideologies and potentially violent skills.” His solution is “intelligence fusion centers,” staffed by Homeland Security personnel which will are already in operation.
- The U.S. Government wants to force bloggers and online grassroots activists to register and regularly report their activities to Congress. Criminal charges including a possible jail term of up to one year could be the punishment for non-compliance.
- A landmark November 2006 legal case on behalf of the Recording Industry Association of America and other global trade organizations sought to criminalize all Internet file sharing of any kind as copyright infringement, effectively shutting down the world wide web - and their argument was supported by the U.S. government.
- A landmark legal ruling in Sydney goes further than ever before in setting the trap door for the destruction of the Internet as we know it and the end of alternative news websites and blogs by creating the precedent that simply linking to other websites is breach of copyright and piracy.
- The European Union, led by former Stalinist John Reid, has also vowed to shut down “terrorists” who use the Internet to spread propaganda.
- The EU data retention bill, passed after much controversy and implemented in 2007, obliges telephone operators and internet service providers to store information on who called who and who emailed who for at least six months. Under this law, investigators in any EU country, and most bizarrely even in the US, can access EU citizens’ data on phone calls, sms’, emails and instant messaging services.
- The EU also proposed legislation that would prevent users from uploading any form of video without a license.
- The US government is also funding research into social networking sites and how to gather and store personal data published on them, according to the New Scientist magazine. “At the same time, US lawmakers are attempting to force the social networking sites themselves to control the amount and kind of information that people, particularly children, can put on the sites.”
Governments are furious that their ceaseless lies are being exposed in real time on the World Wide Web and have resolved to stifle, regulate and control what truly is the last outpost of real free speech in the world. Internet censorship is perhaps the most pertinent issue that freedom advocates should rally to combat over the course of the next few years, lest we allow a cyber-gag to be placed over our mouths and say goodbye to our last medium of free and open communication.
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The only problem with your scenario is that the world is currently run by social darwinist atheist corporate globalist that want to eradicate all things associated with religion and individuality. So when you take away peoples right to defend themselves from tyrants you end up like the Jews being fed into ovens at the hands of atheistic social darwinists.
My view is that God wants us to fight these atheists and if guns on some level help keep them at bay then so be it. What is desperatly needed in the Kali-yuga is a true Ajuna like warrior class to defend the people from the government officials etc. that are exploiting them in every way imaginable. The current military structure is that they are trained attack dog operatives of the social darwinist atheistic elite.
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Thanks AncientMariner, yes, they constantly advance their agenda.
It is the central banking cartel that has both the motive and the means to take over the world. It is the head of the octopus. Intelligence agencies, mass media, politicians, tycoons etc. are among countless octopus arms.
The "motive" is to protect its fraudulent private monopoly over public (government) credit money creation which is worth trillions and trillions. They need a "world government" to ensure that no nation creates its own interest free money or defaults on the loans the bankers created out of nothing.
The "means" of course is unlimited money funnelled through their network of cartels, which allows them to own the government, mass media, education etc. Anyone who succeeds in public life is their puppet or unconsciously serves their agenda to exercise covert control on the ground.
About 1770, a syndicate of bankers designed how to subvert society.
According to Edith Starr Miller, the goals were the destruction of Christianity, monarchies and nation-states.
The ideology behind this world tyranny is that man (i.e. the bankers) can usurp the place of God and redefine reality.
The world government tyranny is the only conquest to take place without the knowledge of the conquered.
When alien bankers control the purse strings, inevitably the State becomes synonymous with these bankers. The State is a ruse used to manipulate the masses, "public" in name only. This is the truth behind the "make-believe".
The fraudulent nature of our public life all stems from the fundamental fraud of public credit. Thus we have a government sponsored depopulation program.
The world has been taken over by a demoniac cult. We are under constant attack. Instead of fighting among ourselves like they want, we must recognize that this struggle has only two sides – God's and maya's.
Beautifully stated. Ultimately it is all a setting of the stage for a glorious avatar of some sort that will break the spell the bankers have over the world. Maybe Christian prophecy is right and there will be a return of Christ of some sorts and a 1000 year peace. Who knows for sure but the greatness of the Lord is gonna be revealed in some form when He defeats this monstrosity that has engulfed the world. I don't know if it will be through the agency of the eventual Kalki avatar, or by an unanounced avatar or by Jesus but it would be a beautiful thing to witness if indeed it one day does happen.
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My scenario is a bit different, with the same result, police state fascism (which Im already very much under its weight).
The election is fixed, the ballots are not being accurately tabulated. But Obama is not going to back off and go away like Kerry and Gore did, hes gonna push the envelope, and the masses will hit the streets, buoyed by a great collapse next month of all thing economic, as well as possible terror activity, contrived and well planned. The posse cometatus (Sp) laws have been ignored by the present regime, so all local police agencies are trumped by Homeland Security such as border patrol, Bureau of prisons, FEMA, even coast guard. All national guards are already out of individual state authority due to secret laws enacted by GWB over the course of post 911 BS.
So Obama wont go away, and the masses will hit the streets, and the martial law will take effect. The only good news is that neither Palin nor McCain will govern, but the bad news is that the election will be null and void, and no new term will begin in January. I see Obama taken prisoner, perhaps even injured, and put on trial as terrorist. I see massive civil unrest that may well become a civil war that has the hippies alligned with the neo-rednecks, blacks, etc.
But at least it aint boring. Alex's ally, the caretaker of Rev Malachi Martin, has even a direr scenario, with invasion by China from the North and Russia from the South. I believe her name is Katherine, a former Nun who labored for Pope JP II.
Clinton is the last elected president, Benedict, though the black pope, is the last of these, too, per Saint Malachis prophecy of 545 CE.
Hold on, this is why we were taught of other worlds to live in, because this is the planet of Death. Listen to "the end" by the doors, a good song for these daze.
And Haribol to all who will have ya, ys, mahaksadasa
I agree that most of the scenarios you listed are possible. I was listening to Alex Jones Show today and Webster Tarpley was on who wrote a book called Obama: The Postmodern Coup - Making of a Manchurian Candidate. He thinks Obama will escalate the fascism imposing carbon taxes and Hitler like youth brigades etc. He said that the NWO has complete control over Obama and if Obama does go rogue from their agenda they have so much stuff on him from his association with Rezko that they will have him thrown in jail. He said that the Cia induced false flag Iraq operation and war on terrorism is over and that Obama is going to shift the false flag operation to a focus on war with Russia and Pakistan all with the goal of more and more centralization of power and wealth into the hands of the NWO ruling elite.
Anyway, who knows for sure. Things are gonna get interesting no doubt about it. I bought some seeds today so I can plant a garden next year just in case. Beautiful song The End. Gotta love Jim Morrison. He kind of reminds me of Nietzsche. He was closer to God than he realized but still kind of lost in the darkness of impersonalism but still ultimately a noble soul.
Anyway, best of luck to you. Sorry I don't share your enthusiasm for Obama but I have always respected your intellectual honesty so I will try to keep my hopes up that Obama ends up being a transcendental figure like Kennedy.
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Gee that's full on. If its true people may be blissfully ignorant presently...walking into a world which is soon to change. Spending, consuming, family and social affairs...thinking life is just all these things. Forgetting how cruel the bind of material energy can be. Affluent society seems to have blinded many away from higher subject matter.
Yep, same phenomena happened with the Bush administration. The Christian right got excited about Bush because they thought he was going to clean up the corruption from the Clinton years and all they got was more and more corruption and war out of Bush even though Bush claimed to be a Christian. Its a sad state of affairs but the propaganda from the corporate media is thick so I can't even blame the people for falling for this stuff. Hopefully I am wrong about Obama and he ends up being like Kennedy and challenging the NWO.
Obama has won the election in a big landslide and I'm NOT joking!!
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Hahaha That is funny. It says "and to promote greater public accountability in the use of federal funds." All that and he voted for wall street banker bailout bill.